feedback-discussion

[limber star]

ive never seen a single clip of it being used

[frozen crater]

💀💀💀💀

[limber star]

there is 0 proof

[frozen crater]

tryhards who cheat tend not to record their cheats for everyone to see

[limber star]

talking about people dying to them obviously

[frozen crater]

plus theres already video evidence that you can nullify flashbombs/use beetle with infinite sight

theres no way to prove it

thats why you dont see any proof

[limber star]

yea i dont think you are going to find high tier players using beetles or flash bombs LOL

[frozen crater]

bro...

[limber star]

good players dont get close enough to get flashed so its not even relevant

[frozen crater]

this aint worth it if you think flash bombs arent used at high stars

[limber star]

so maybe there are people exploiting with reshade, if there are its some no name 4* that cant hit shit anyways

not talking high stars 5-6* is irrelevant

the majority of people that use reshade are high tier players

like at least 2 kd

[frozen crater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpvYfbgKCbw

bro uses reshade to disable shadows

there

at least ONE person who uses reshade for exploits

[limber star]

😂 you think reshade is capable of disabling shadows?

thats a completely different exploit

system.cfg

and btw he got banned for doing that

[frozen crater]

fuck

now its back down to 0

need to hunt for more clips

[limber star]

@zinc solstice why vote no

[zinc solstice]

i like seeing the ammo pickup numbers and reload times

[limber star]

infinite ammo option

meaning toggleable

meaning optional

[little jackal]

@silk crown I feel you. Spent 3 (THREE) hours to find 2 immolators not long ago. I wish I could just pick all 4 pvp challenges. At least there's 11 other people guaranteed.

[zinc solstice]

okay

doesnt mean you get my vote

[limber star]

ok??? lol

[silk crown]

Yea its not the worst sometimes. but that's the nature of RNG that can sometimes kill it especially if you know you won't be playing much that day.

[limber star]

@lone aurora so you dont think that a bug should be fixed? interesting

[lone aurora]

yep

[open carbon]

@short mountain good suggestion, I'm actually wondering if it was intentionally not working like that... But you can ping and VOIP before the match too, so I kinda have the feeling text chat is supposed to be enabled too.. But maybe someone from the olden times (around release of the game) has another explanation

[queen jungle]

what is this?

why is this dude 4 star

dude this matchmaking is so fucked, HOLY FUCKING SHIT

[open carbon]

KDA doesn't factor into MMR, MMR is calculated with the Chess ELO formula.. But I like that it's Pi 😁

[queen jungle]

its absolute bs, thats what it is

when i play solo

and have a 6kd+ every game cuz my mmr dropped so hard i am basically farming bots while necroing permanently

and my mmr still doesnt go up

[open carbon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE1ycgFZCHM

[queen jungle]

i know how mmr works

and its absolute bs xd

[open carbon]

It isn't, I think the only thing that needs to be removed is the "random" modifier for teams

That's a matter of taste though

If you like how it works I mean

[queen jungle]

thats about the onlly good thing there is in this mess of a mmr system xd

[open carbon]

I think everyone complaining about MMR itself being "bs", is lacking self-efficacy like so many people who cry "ping abuse"

What I think could be done is moving the brackets

I'd vote for that, since 1* and 2* are mostly unpopulated anyway, and the difference in skill between 1* and 2* are so miniscule, they could be put in one bracket and the other 5 could be better allocated to the rest

[queen jungle]

maybe if everyone is crying about it, its maybe true :>

but im sure me trading every 3rd kill, and getting shot behind brick wall is just bad .luck ig 🤷‍♂️

and these 3kd + guys with 8k kills, surely are 4*, thats excatly how mmr should work

[open carbon]

Hmm I would argue against that, for one, because it's easier to blame someone else, and secondly, just because everyone says the sky is green, it isn't green

[queen jungle]

dont see any problem there

[open carbon]

Yeah it is because it doesn't matter how many kills you have, but who you killed

If you keep killing weaker enemies, MMR no go up

[queen jungle]

u kill 8 ppl = + 100mr
u die to 1 4* = -75 mr

yea sounds logic

[open carbon]

Yeah that would not reflect short-term changes in one's skill

Getting a flat amount of MMR per kill I mean

[queen jungle]

u can permantenly stay on low mmr while constantly killing x8 times more ppl and u think thats fine?

allright dude

also , last time me and my friend (1.34kd and 1.46kd, duo) got matched against a full 5 1/2* Trio with 4kd+ 90k kills, but i guess thats fine too cuz ig we are just in the same skill bracket clearly :>

i can go from 4 star to 6star in a day, and vice versa

and THATS what hunt bases its matchmaking off

gg

[open carbon]

That's a different issue, that's why I said the brackets should maybe be moved, and the modifier for matchmaking with randoms should also be removed

[open carbon]

If you're 4* and keep only killing 3* and lower, yeah, you're not supposed to increase in rank fast

Say you're at 2650 ELO and you kill 8 3*, it'll net you a total increase of 16, so you'd be at 2666 ELO

If you kill a 5* as a 4* you'll get a much larger increase, around 30, for one kill

That's how it should work

[little carbon]

Getting shot behind a brick wall wothout it being a wallbang is a consequence of ping, just not an advantage. In fact its an advantage for you. Because the opponent actually killed you before you were in cover, due to their ping you just got extra time alive

[lusty basalt]

It goes up just slower

Ah u already said that after nvm

[lusty basalt]

Your kd is irrelevant

[shadow prairie]

What's the latency you usually play at? Is it 10ms, 50ms, 100ms, 199ms? I just wanna know what kind of latency should I aim for to be so oblivious to funky stuff happening during my playtime 🥹

[little jackal]

any clips of that funky stuff?

[flat sandal]

What do other notable games require of players in terms of ping? The ones "without" "funky" stuff?

Asking because i never noticed it as a limitation before or even heard about it before this discord. Along with other things that turned out to be bs since.

One thing to consider as well. Hunt has a reputation of being unforgiving and "taking it away". Thus it can be frustrating. Ppl imagine issues in all games when they are frustrated. Makes sense that they imagine more in hunt. So check yourselves before complaining too hard. There are also a lot of people here who heard the same bs over and over. It usually won't be well received. 😄

[unborn smelt]

As little latency as possible

The less your latency the less funky stuff will happen to you. OFC not none, because other peoples latency can cause you to die, seemingly having reached cover, for example. But you will have less de-sync and more reliable hitreg with lower latency

[indigo hound]

@eternal portal #bug-reports-pc message
True
They broke it, fixed it and now broke it again

[hardy coral]

Bruh, they even have it as a loading screen tip what BS.

[open carbon]

The secret is out

[karmic ivy]

Should I interpret your providing a question instead of an answer to mean you have no basis? Only assumptions?

[unborn dagger]

They even have the flashbomb tip where you can't turn your back on it

[queen jungle]

@proud warren Your team MMR matters, not individual ELO

[proud warren]

I know, but they're still an entire star above us in match mmr. Besides that our Match mmr shouldn't be 4 1/2* stars with this combination. We don't even get full 6* Trios when we play with a full stack of 5*s.

[azure violet]

Ive been playing hunt for 5 years now and I gotta say that I have had it with all the crap in this game. Matchmaking sucks, special ammo destroyed the game, console doesn’t get enough love, and the devs keep ruined the game with stupid ideas like making fire ammo start you on fire after 1 shot. And why has it taken 5 years to even think about revamping consoles. And this is just a few of the major issues that has made me grow to hate this game. I used to absolutely love it because of its uniqueness, but every time i play it just makes my blood pressure rise. I know this is just my opinion, but i had high hopes for the game.

[umbral garden]

@worthy knoll that’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard congratulations

[hardy coral]

Really lmao?

[unborn dagger]

Yup lol

[worthy knoll]

No its the best one. Finally something for bad Players to Bridge the Gap. If only it were as easy to obtain as in the Last Event 😉

[umbral garden]

The point of the game is that you lose your hunter upon death, if you get to keep them forever and cheese the economy, gameplay loop, and prestige system it ruins the whole point

[umbral garden]

Git gud

[last blaze]

@worthy knoll no please don't

[last blaze]

aimlab is free

[unborn smelt]

you mean they have a tip saying you should look away from flashbombs ?

[unborn dagger]

No, the complete opposite. Just says you can't look away from it and you stay out of its range

[hardy coral]

See if you can find that.

The fact that they know about all these terrible decisions makes me sad but at least they know and can change.

[unborn smelt]

But that's how it works IIRC

or do you mean to say that it working that way is bad ?

[unborn dagger]

No I personally dont mind it working the way it is rn

[unborn smelt]

in which case i seem to have missunderstood the intent of the original message

[worthy knoll]

imagine practicing in a game to play another game

[worthy knoll]

nah i wanna have fun 😗

[unborn dagger]

But I would at least like for the devs to change the "flash" itself where it's not just a white screen

[unborn smelt]

yeah i could see that

[last blaze]

Imagine being bad at a game and not having fun

[umbral garden]

Have fun somewhere else then

[umbral garden]

Ong I suck at Hunt and I love it

[unborn smelt]

with the low condtrast often dark setting a bright white screen is quite hefty to look at all of a sudden

[unborn dagger]

Exactly

Maybe they could do the same flash effect that destiny does? I dunno. Just anything other than a white screen lol

[unborn smelt]

👍

[worthy knoll]

Touché!
But: I have fun and Hunt Dollars. But I Like the convenienve. Imagine not having doctor

[worthy knoll]

Nope i Like the Game in General.

[last blaze]

I prestige and don't have doctor all the time

[fading moon]

Frag Arrows shouldnt be in the game. its OP as shit, and doesnt even make sense in this game

pls nerf or remove

[last blaze]

crossbow expo bolts are broken

[fading moon]

yes, i totally agree

[tribal wyvern]

Not seen the fishy fish with this look before

[deft frigate]

hello, EU servers still BAD - on 1 GB/s internet jumping from 17ms to 200ms whole game and constant packet loss...Russia is stable for me and all the other games aswell...GG ty for fixing it...oh wait 🙂

[crystal plume]

Your internet speed is not the only thing that dictates whether or not you can have connection issues and it not being Crytek's fault

Which ISP are you using?

[deft frigate]

Vodafone

[crystal plume]

IIRC they use the same hops as Telekom which generally has issues and has been a problem for a while now, and something out of Crytek's control

Again speedtest doesn't mean anything in this context

[deft frigate]

why my teamates have same issues when they are from Hungary and Poland then? diff providers

[crystal plume]

Could be still using the same hop on the route to the game's servers, I wouldn't know without seeing them and you do a traceroute to the EU server's IP

You can reach out to #customer-support regarding it

[deft frigate]

what help will I get when you told me its not on your side? every time I am trying to solve any problem its always pointed on my side...and I never had problems in any other games...

[crystal plume]

They can see if it's something out of their control or not

And I'm not saying that it's on your end, there's been known issues with specific ISPs routing for ages now and they have not done anything about it even though it's up to the ISPs to deal with it

[deft frigate]

mhm...ok Ill try it...thanks for your reaction at least

[queen jungle]

Telekom owns most of the phone lines in Germany, so it's very likely different non-German ISPs rent Telekom lines, which leads to isseus.

[tired barn]

@hallow basin they should remove the berthier and replace it with the carcano

[hallow basin]

for me the berthier is so unique in video game remove the rifle is not a good idea

(and for a french there are a 5 rounds berthier but is was built during the WW1)

[deft frigate]

I mean...when I look on Crytek servers provider rating its not really good...so...might be actually more sites than mine. But I am not saying it is not my site...cuz...no other game I played in 10 years had problems with my provider. Anyway I contacted customer support and we will see. thanks for your reactions👍

[analog willow]

It was mentioned that the devs specifically don’t want a way to confirm dead in darksight, but how about a 5m range darksight way to find bodies in water and tall grass, but that 5m range needs line of sight for it to work? So if you wallbang someone, you couldn’t confirm through a wall, whether or not the body is still there, even if you are right next to it?

[hasty quail]

What happened to the prestige rework? Been quite a while now and no mention of it.

[analog willow]

They actually mentioned in the most recent stream that a pretige rework is progress. Additionally, David mentioned in a previous stream that there will be an additional reward system tailored towards people who have reached max level prestige

[hasty quail]

Thank god!

[unborn dagger]

About time, I just hope it's good unlike their quest and black market system.

[hoary crescent]

feedback: Your invite system is bugged, And why the f**k are we breaking up teams and spawning in different spawn locations? Death cheat is still not correct, I wouldnt of said it but its just the truth.

[tulip prawn]

Is there a reason why there is no Duo Matchmaking for the current wildcard?

[civic wave]

It's a hell hole

[analog willow]

It’s suspected that they made it a single pool of players to create fairer matches, lower ping, and might influence you to bring along a friend to play

[grizzled owl]

yo this is sick we should revisit this

[gentle willow]

With the addition of the uppermat, we really need a prestige rework. I barely get starshell unlocked every prestige with the lemat being like my #2 sidearm. Too much shit to unlock in a single set of 100 levels.

[brisk timber]

@paper nexus
You can find a file with your exact elo number in the hunt folders.
I dont remember the exact path and im not on pc rn but it was something like /profile/attribute then search for your nickname and you will find the mmr number close by.
Checkin this file every match you can see the changes and calculate .

[limber star]

hes using quickplay to smurf

crytek still has it so that quickplay affects mmr so people can use it to derank without damaging their kd

makes no sense why they havent patched this

@coral ridge reshade isnt cheating and doesnt give much of an advantage at all

you can do the exact same color changes in your monitor settings

[crystal plume]

Well that's not exactly true 😄

Unless there's monitors that I've never seen/heard of that allow curve based contrast adjustments etc. that are much more powerful than basic gamma/contrast sliders or even the auto black equalizers that some monitors have

[limber star]

what you are talking about can also be done in nvidia display settings

shouldve mentioned that mb

[peak radish]

rain on amd?)

[flat sandal]

was there actually any ccomment at all on the event bugs yet?

[unborn dagger]

No :/

So far it doesn't seem like Crytek cares to fix any of the issues

[flat sandal]

yeah I really think we deserve a bit more communication^^

[knotty ore]

Bonus event experience on weekends hurts. I can't just tell my woman that I'll be spending the weekend trying to get a girl with fishnets now can I?

[little carbon]

You can do these things with software that doesn't directly interact with Hunt and therefore is outside of cryteks control. So I can understand why they wouldn't ban it.
The people that abuse it would just move on to software that they have no control over

@proud warren your team is 4.5 theirs is 5.5. that isn't that far apart.
Your team is most likely just at the bottom of the bracket and they are at the top of the bracket

[paper nexus]

Yes, I've already looked in the attributes file, but it's an elo with a certain margin of error, which is why I'd like to know the formula with the number of points won per death and per kill according to its MMR,
Is it possible to give it to me? So that I can create my table giving the exact MMR after each game?

[spark cedar]

There's already a website that does this for you, mmr is always a match delayed sort of.
I use huntplayers dot com to track it

[open ice]

the event's gonna end and rain leave forever and we won't even have seen rain once

[celest spindle]

The amount of ban reshade spam is gettin kinda sad

[paper nexus]

Yep me too, but huntplayers dot com, have 1 game late

[frozen crater]

ban reshade

[celest spindle]

Ah yes, just cuz some random channel spammed 10s or 20 videos of black and white filters yall assume 90% of the players use them

Fuckin hell

[hardy coral]

Found the reshade user

[frozen crater]

[celest spindle]

If you had asked i would've easily told you i use reshade

And im proud of using reshade too, cuz the game has the dullest colors in the universe

Plus the black and white filters you're seeing is the unlocked reshade, which is a different rule violation of its own, both for the game and other programs, plus multiple other violations depending on which unlocked filter theyre using

and by banning reshade you're ultimately making it worse, if anyone is dedicated enough to hack they can just code their own version of "reshade" or some program that is even worse, or they could code in their own filters, etc

If you're all too blind to see and petty enough to rage about someone wanting to enjoy their game rather than stare at a game which looks like its being played on a 1940 cube tv, then go for it.

[queen jungle]

Almost like a real life swamps

[celest spindle]

Swamps?

Sorry, i didnt get the reference

[open carbon]

The exact ELO formula from chess is used

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE1ycgFZCHM

This explains the rest :)

Someone built a tool to format the attributes.xml into sth readable.. https://darkicexd.github.io/huntstats/

The thing about calculating the current MMR is that you don't know the exact MMR of your opponents until it is populated into the attributes.xml

[queen jungle]

The obsession with MMR is insane. Kinda wish Crytek had never introduced the stars, it was an attempt at transparency that entirely backfired because now people focus on nothing but MMR and it's used for plenty discrimination

[light badge]

wait, real life swamps are incredibly bright hold on

[open carbon]

Agreed.

[knotty ore]

Lol you talking to peeps that haven't touched grass

[light badge]

the greenery in swamps are downright vibrant

[knotty ore]

The bayou IRL looks nothing like it does ingame

[open ice]

crytek better fix their game instead of adding mmr

[open carbon]

There's an IRL Bayou? :D

[flat sandal]

to make any 3rd party changes to a fps shooter will always be controversial

[knotty ore]

Yes, its a type of swamp with trees and shit. There are lots of them in the world.

[queen jungle]

🤔

[flat sandal]

and so it should, you can definately tease out an advantage and that's just wrong. to argue that the game looks bad in vanilla is a peronal problem

[queen jungle]

Bayou is the French-American word for swamp

A swamp is a forested wetland

[knotty ore]

🤔

🤔

[celest spindle]

Yes but there is a more simple alternative to this, for example changing some things with the terms of service and privacy policy for the game to allow the game to check 3rd party programs and see what items, files, or effects are installed, and by adding a blacklist to the said 3rd party program analyzer it could automatically check and lockthe account of users if theyre using filters or programs that breaches said policy

[open carbon]

Ok that I know xD

[celest spindle]

That way its a win win for everyone, well, except the cheaters

Until they develop a system to bypass said detection

[knotty ore]

🤔

[celest spindle]

You gotta remember nothing can be perfect in life

[knotty ore]

Nature has reshade on

[flat sandal]

so you are saying it should be banned?

[open carbon]

BAN NATURE 💪

Who needs it anyway

We have the interwebz

[celest spindle]

I'm saying theres better alternatives rather than straightup banning the program all together

[knotty ore]

I love the one picture on google of a bayou in fall and dude is like, "zomg its hunt accurate everything is brown".

[celest spindle]

And like i mentioned banning reshade is gonna only make it worse and open oppurtunities for other softwares to shine which could be even worse than said "B/W" filters

[queen jungle]

During springtime, sure. Resr of the year it doesn't look anywhere as green

[flat sandal]

or better

[knotty ore]

Its green with the exception of fall.

[celest spindle]

Theres no sure proof solution to these type of things, you can only stall the inevitable, and the inevitable is another software that allows cheats

[open carbon]

The thing about banning reshade is... I'm seein the same people finding sth else to complain about as soon as reshade would be banned, because I am very much of the opinion that those people more likely lack self-efficacy than actually encountering what they determine to be cheaters

[flat sandal]

I don't really know what the issue is with reshade and how big it is. I#m just against using it just cause

[knotty ore]

Reshade gives less of a competitive advantage that just turning your settings down in-game. Crytek needs to ban settings.

[flat sandal]

simplay always for a as level a playing fiel as possible

[celest spindle]

Some people saw some videos on youtube of black and white filters which makes smokes and other fx effects invisible, and now they have the mindset that the entirety of the game's populace uses said filters

[open carbon]

Crytek needs to ban monitors because if I turn up the backlight, contrast and saturation, night maps are no longer "night" to me

[flat sandal]

yeah the crybabies are always the actual biggest issue

[knotty ore]

That filter is also not possible on a whitelist version of reshade only ones banned by EAC.

[celest spindle]

also the said black and white filyer is not even useable with the actual version of reshade

It just doesnt work if you try

[open carbon]

https://git.gud

[celest spindle]

They have the unlocked version of reshade which is another breach of policy on its own, like i mentioned above

Man i could become a fuckin lawyer

What am i doin here 💀

[open carbon]

Why aren't we playing the game instead? :D

Oh right because of all the cheaters

[celest spindle]

Also that skylar edm guy has been suggestion the same thing for a week around 5 times now

You wanna know why?

[open carbon]

Because nobody else cares

Kidding ofc

[celest spindle]

He died while sitting in a bush, gun completely sticking out, and someone in their chat mentioned the person that killed them were probably using reshade

They were streaming that day, i checked the vod

[open carbon]

Dang I'm starting to turn into a troll because of all this

[open carbon]

Can and must be the only explanation

[celest spindle]

Yeah bro these reshade effects are crazy, i can completely remove walls with a single effect!!1!1!1

[flat sandal]

Bush ppl often don't understand that their Bush isn't even rendering in from a distance 😄 they are just sitting in the open, which is another problem imo

[open carbon]

Reshade must be like RGB, gotta buff your skill by 10000%

[celest spindle]

Frfr (reshade does have RGB settings lol)

[open carbon]

Ykwim xD

[little carbon]

The best thing they could do is just hide all the stats, MMR, KDA etc for everyone, ideally including the user themself

[queen jungle]

Haha yes

Remember the good ol' times when we were all just nameless hunters in the bayou?

[open carbon]

Yeah that would leave nothing to complain about than one's own skill

That would be the dream xD

[queen jungle]

Well it used to be that way to some extent. In the beginning, There wasn't even a "X picked up a bounty", No death screen either.

You matched, you hunted, you died. A lonely soul in the swamp trying to make a living.

[open carbon]

And I bet even then people found enough to complain about

[flat sandal]

I would love that, maybe showing that stuff keeps more ppl playing but it attracts the wrong bunch I think. I dont wanna think about my KD, its annoying. Crytec needs more Overhead when it comes to dev time, there is too much to do:D Buy more shit!

[keen oak]

Good ol days

People were camping less also

At least from my experience

[normal horizon]

I've killed tons of extraction campers so people were definitely camping

[untold silo]

anyone else find it really difficult to follow feedback discussion? kinda feel like using chat threads would be a better solution.

[unborn dagger]

Agreed

[outer wedge]

I remember went it was "we don't want give too much information to players" at this point it might just have a kill feed.. the whole no information thingy failed..

[crystal plume]

Are you referring the MMR stars to that statement? Because that statement was not related to things like MMR stars at all

[abstract burrow]

Are flashes ever going to get nerfed, there is no counter play to it

[umbral garden]

Nah

My dad actually owns hunt showdown and I told him to never nerf them EVER

[abstract burrow]

x$

xD

[unborn dagger]

NEVAR NERF FLASHIES

[last ferry]

@coarse breach it can already

just aim better, i've killed a guy with a shovel in one hit

[last blaze]

@outer wedge losing bars is and important part of PVP saying it's "outdated" means nothing. If you did not lose bars when downed fights would last far longer and have far less meaning. Without losing bars fights would just turn into endless necro battles

[outer wedge]

A "3 strike and your out" would come along side that rework. endless battles already occur in the bayou, its called redskull revives, that should not exist

i don't have the numbers, but i believe a lot of people still Extract after lose bar to first fight, and with the lastest fire bullshit.. losing bars became dumb imo

[last blaze]

redskull revives means you one shot to anything so what's the problem with that

[queen jungle]

@tribal meteor Please do not repost your own suggestions unless there is significant change to your idea.

[outer wedge]

the problem is that i still lose games because team revive unlimited

[last blaze]

and with necro and bounty rev it takes longer and takes away more health I think

[last blaze]

I have never lost a game to someone that was red skull

If they get downed that many times there is little way there going to be good enough to turn the tides of a fight on one bar of health

[hardy coral]

Since they removed red skull necro revives it's basically only for reviving burnt out hunters after you banish.

[coarse breach]

When people aim things like axes and hammers Will have a hugher chance tò hit limbs which sucks It should only have a reduction on leg hits not arms

[peak berry]

for prestige. i think they way you unlock weapons items perks etc, should stay the way it is, however getting the custom ammo types is just too much. I want something to work twoards for sure when i reset myself, but unlocking everything all over again is just too much work.

i just hit p25 i just dont like the system. idk how they can make it better. it should feel good to do, but it just feels like a chore

until then im staying where im at

[peak radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cool-im-so-tom-cruise-gif-13209253

[keen oak]

My man if you can cover a body and then your team gets whiped by a dude with 1 health bar then it's more of a you problem.

[unborn dagger]

True

Like if you down a person then that is the time to push

[keen oak]

HOW DARE YOU

Telling people to actually play the game

[unborn dagger]

Ikr

[keen oak]

Shame on you

[unborn dagger]

Either they are gonna be down a person or they are gonna be busy trying to revive their partner

[keen oak]

I have yet to see someone who's not playing ketchup slow and has an issue with red res

I'd say that self res is twice a menace redskull is

Because when redskull revive is being performed then both targets are technically 1 taps if you have the damage

[unborn dagger]

Exactly, especially when they changed it from to 25 to 50 health

[keen oak]

And self revive (provided you die from some distance or a convenient location) is just round two

All in all Necro should probably cost more

Same goes for Resillience. It's hands down the strongest 3pointer

It's not even close

[keen oak]

Not only that. It also doesn't really reflect someone's actual skill all that accurately. At best it's a peek into someone's recent performance against hunters.

Does it even take assists into account? I honestly don't know

[unborn dagger]

Oh yeah for sure, at least 4 to 5 would make it reasonable after they changed it to full health on revive

[keen oak]

Although I will give you this @outer wedge losing bars should be reworked somehow

But I am way too blasted to brainstorm a viable solution

Perhaps when you take the bounty you could get relentless only for 1 death? And all other health bar loses would be only a temporary effect which lasts couple of minutes. Like charcoal damage, but much longer.

It would mos def shake up the long ammo meta

To some degree anyway

[dusky scarab]

It is nice to See the solo necro Bug ( you could not necro yourself after getting killed by a beartrap which was on your body) got fixed thanks

[south ingot]

for trait descriptions maybe have an option for more in depth info,

example for 'bullet grubber' i get the trait only to find it doesnt work for some of my guns. i dont mind it doesnt work for some of them but itd be nice to know which without having to look on the wiki

[drowsy arrow]

if you type "bullet grubber" in the search bar when you are arming your hunters, it will filter it so you can only see guns that are compatible with bullet grubber.. if that helps

[flat sandal]

write bullet grubber in the filter search box, which ones is it not working for where you think it should?

opps^^

[celest spindle]

@coral ridge spamming the same suggestion everyday isnt gonna do anything or make it more liked nor any better

[frozen crater]

holy shitttttt the nitro has officially overtaken the avto as dumbest gun in the game

[rotund obsidian]

yeah nitro a lil dummy rn

especially with gunrunner

what is it, like 5 bullets back per ammo consumable with it? ridiculous

[dusky tapir]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The main thing that pisses me off about bar loss is fukin long ammo

Mosin turning into a mini nitro is no fun

Then again I guess they do want deaths to snowball / make you think of extracting early

[rotund obsidian]

I hope remedy finds some sort of permanent home within the game, even if it ends up being very different

[keen oak]

Which imo is bad

This game is called Hunt: Showdown

Not Hunt: Extract

In fact the one thing that pisses me off about extracting is that the team at the extraction has very little punishment for using the peek advantage to fish for kills before exiting.

There should be a couple of seconds delay on top of extraction timer upon getting hit

And to be perfectly honest I think that triple stack and the gauntlet should both have bigger accumulators to motivate people to take fights rather than extracting early

Whilst the early extract bonus should be removed entirely

[normal horizon]

a core part of the game is extracting with the bounty

with or without fighting people

[keen oak]

And there it is

Well for me the core part (the one that brings the most joy and/or satisfaction) of the game are the gunfights

Its this game biggest selling point

[normal horizon]

sure, but it's always been advertised as going for the bounty and escaping with your life

so saying it isn't Hunt: Extract is weird to me 😄

[keen oak]

And whats the % of people who purchased this game to kill bosses and flee?

[normal horizon]

probably the majority of people that start playing

[keen oak]

Unlikely

[dusky tapir]

one of the biggest complaints I hear about HUNT is having to partake in PvP ...

[keen oak]

😆

Youre kidding right?

Yikes. Okay then, Hunt: Extract it is

Man I can't wait to kill the Butcher and extract again

Probably yet another reason to add a PvE mode

Then people who get the chills when hearing gunshots could rest easy.

[queen jungle]

Nah, the possibility of PvP makes it much more interesting.

[keen oak]

For the people who want to PvP yes. For the ones who complain about it's existence as stated above, not so much

[queen jungle]

I think there is a difference between not unnecessarily seeking PvP because you may lose your hunter vs. avoiding any PvP at all.

[keen oak]

Ofc there is

But as stated above (apparently) a lot of people purchased this game for PvE aspect. I dont think it's true but assuming that it is then wouldn't adding a PvE-focused game mode be the reasonable course of action?

Taking into account the complaints about participating in PvP and all, wherever those are.

I mean devs would probably figure out by now what's what and do it, but apparently more people seek PvP than PvE which is why there is no PvE mode to begin with

[queen jungle]

I'd argue Bounty Hunt is more PvE-focused, while Quickplay/SoulSurvivor is more PvP focused

Honestly, a purely PvE mode would get stale pretty quickly I think. After all the nerfs, AI isn't as much of a challenge anymore as it used to be.

[keen oak]

True

[normal horizon]

I never said it was purchased for purely pve aspect, you wouldnt need to flee if there wasnt pvp

people buy the game for pvpve which is getting to the bounty and escaping with your life which still involves pvp

but people dont start playing this game just to only shoot other people usually

that starts being a thing after people play a long time

[keen oak]

If thats not PvE I dont know what is

[normal horizon]

its not

you dont need to flee if there is only pve

you only flee from pvp

https://youtu.be/LDkmyjWWmwU?t=128

[keen oak]

Well there is the timer or the need to go to another game upon extraction

[normal horizon]

get out alive while showing being chased by players

this is what the game is advertised as 🙂

you can kill them or just run and get out alive

[keen oak]

Yet most go for the gunplay regardless

[normal horizon]

after a long time playing yes

I never said that wasnt the case

I said people usually play the objective when they start playing

[keen oak]

The objective is just a hotspot for players to gather

[normal horizon]

I am aware

but you dont have to fight players, if you can run with the bounty and get out you are free to do so

which people do

since extracting the bounty is a core part of the game 😄

all this was just about saying this game isnt hunt: extract

I never said pvp isnt part of it nor did I say people dont play for pvp

[keen oak]

And my point is to motivate people to do the opposite and get more rewards in the process

[normal horizon]

sure

[keen oak]

And the "core part" of the game lies in the eyes of the beholder

[normal horizon]

I merely only commented on the hunt: extract comment tho

[open carbon]

Who'd even play the game if there wasn't any PvP?

[normal horizon]

I dont know

[keen oak]

Not many

[open carbon]

Candy crush players

That's who

[queen jungle]

Not really, the objective of Hunt is clearly to get the bounty out. PvP exists to keep things dynamic and interesting.

[keen oak]

Who says

Or more importantly why it's the objective

[knotty ore]

If that was the main objective why is there even a PVP performance metric system?

Why do we have MMR?

[queen jungle]

To make sure you don't get stomped into the ground by players far stronger than you

MMR is not a leaderboard to climb, it's a passive system to determine your skill level and match you against equal opponents

[keen oak]

You can get more experience from killing AI and players than bosses and more money out of looting people than the bounty itself. So again, eye of the beholder.

[knotty ore]

The objective of Hunt is whatever you feel like you want your Hunters to be. Killing players is infinitely more rewarding that getting the bounty out. What people care about are your KDA, and your PVP MMR. They don't care about how much hunt dollars you got banked up. I got like 300k. Does anyone care? Not really. Bounty is ultimately worthless after a certain time.

[queen jungle]

As you may know, the PvP-metric (i. e. KDA) leaderboard was removed because it made people focus on PvP too much.

[wind stream]

its almost as if there are multiple kinds of players, that enjoy different things

and hunt provides

[keen oak]

"Eye of the beholder"

[wind stream]

well, if it is then saying it isnt hunt: extract is also wrong 😉

[knotty ore]

After a certain amount of time, getting the bounty doesn't even matter. What do you get for it? It feels way better to kill players talking shit in proxy chat.

[queen jungle]

Unless you have incredible luck in looting, the bounty is more rewarding 99% of the time. Looting otehr players has a low chance to give you significant amounts of Hunt Dollars

[wind stream]

the reality is to some its PvEvp and to others PvPve

[knotty ore]

I'd rather loot a nitro off someone than extract with a bounty lol

[little jackal]

ew

[keen oak]

Obviously that was a rant about the way extraction works and people fleeing more than an actual comment

[queen jungle]

PvEvP is resolved to PvE / EvP, so essentially 2x PvE

[knotty ore]

If I hear you use a nitro, or an avto, I'm fucking coming for my gun you are holding.

Getting a few huntred Hunt dollars means nothing when I have a few hundred thousand banked up and this is with spending on pricey loadouts.

[queen jungle]

Which is an entirely different issue in Hunt, the economy is in dire need of a massive overhaul.

[keen oak]

True that

[knotty ore]

PVE is that annoyance you learn how to avoid efficiently.

Bounty is only valuable because it feels good to take it from someone lol

Vast majority of us play Hunt to kill other hunters.

[keen oak]

Bosses are hotspots, bounty is a marker.

Killing AI and hunters gives you enough exp and looting corpes gives you more money than bounty itself (if you know what packmule and toolboxes are) + weapons.

So bounty is hardly an objective when killing hunters got it beat in value

[open carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/dude-abides-alrighty-then-gif-18505941

[queen jungle]

That's a bold statement

[keen oak]

And likely true

[queen jungle]

I'd say the vast majortiy of players play Hunt for the great representation of the Lousiana swamp 🙃

[open carbon]

Everyone I talked into playing this game came for the PvP

[knotty ore]

Forreal? It doesn't even look like a lousiana swamp. Ever been there? Its green, bro.

Its only brown for a few months of the year

[queen jungle]

But were you there 128 years ago?

Maybe it was different

[knotty ore]

You right, mybad.

[open carbon]

It was even greener

[knotty ore]

The bayou is greener on the reshade side

[keen oak]

Despicable

[queen jungle]

I feel like a place under the influence of the Sculptor would be far less greener than it normally is. After all, it is also pretty devoid of life in general.

[keen oak]

You can see dogs running around, but they don't seem to know how to fetch

[knotty ore]

I'm not sure what that means, most of us want less battlepass tiers being filled with lazy filler lore.

[queen jungle]

I absolutely agree on that

[keen oak]

I read a bit on the lore and it ain't that bad.

Obviously not s1 True Detective level but it's ok

[knotty ore]

We need a Mathew McConno... McConawHAY

McConnaghey

Hunter

When he reloads he should go, "alright alright alright".

[keen oak]

McConaughey

[queen jungle]

That'd be expensive

[knotty ore]

Fuck

lol

[knotty ore]

It was like within a few letters mang

[keen oak]

Yeah his surname is messed up

Looks like a typo

As for the lore... well it would be nice to make it more alive but that wouldn't be easy to do without turning Hunt into an mmorpg

And frankly I dont care too much for it. I'd rather have morr gunfights

[knotty ore]

If you like True Detective, check out Mindhunter.

[keen oak]

S1 TD is imo the best series

[keen oak]

Will do

[knotty ore]

I think both seasons of Mindhunter were on par.

[keen oak]

Be careful now, you're gonna get a spankin for offtopic

Notty boy

[knotty ore]

Its feedback on your bayou-based television preferences.

[keen oak]

Fair enough

@unique robin for those who still prestige this would be great

QoL intensifies

[open carbon]

@keen oak I don't think the hunters in the extract getting shot should increase the timer or anything. They're just the passengers. Have a coachman on the drivers seat of the carriage or sth similar with boats, shooting them could increase the timer.. Because I think it would be silly not to be able to just wave from behind choke bombs if the chasing team wasn't prepared enough and arrives when only 5 secs left or sth

If you want to keep a team from extracting, be there first

[keen oak]

You do realize this sentence doesnt make much sense right?

[open carbon]

Also, not sure how much of a peekers advantage you get in extracts, usually the one further from the corner has the advantage

[open carbon]

Yes it does. Be faster at the extract than the bounty team. Start going there before them

Not that hard

[keen oak]

Since you can get separated whilst extracting as long as one guy stands there people use that to fish for kills whilst extracting and it has no counter except headshots whilst they control the tempo of you getting there

[open carbon]

Kill the one hanging back in the extract and the counter stops

[keen oak]

Yes but I am talking about chasing someone.

[open carbon]

Yeah don't let it come so far that you'll have to chase

That's your own fault if it happens, sort of

[keen oak]

I am not sure if you understand what I am talking about. You're just giving me these semi-gitgud advices without fully appreciating the underlying issue I highlighted

Be a less of a motivational speaker please

[open carbon]

The issue to me seems that there's not enough ways to block extracts for you, or am I wrong?

[keen oak]

Ultimately if bounty team decides to run it goes down to chasing. Especially with multiple teams alive

[open carbon]

That to me means the bounty team made a smart decision to leave when they do

[keen oak]

• people who extract can cover a lot of ground whilst extracting and fish for peek advantage kills

And even if tagged still extract

Because the timer runs

[little carbon]

I mean thats fine. Whenever they fish for a kill you get a decent chance to kill them

[keen oak]

Idk I think its silly that someone can run 40m away from the carriage, shoot, get shot at and still leave the game. Don't you?

[open carbon]

And that is bad how exactly? You've plausibly had chance enough to kill them earlier too

[open carbon]

That is a different issue perhaps. Maybe limit the distance

30 seconds wait is already an eternity under pressure

[little carbon]

And them reaching extract is basically already a fail state for the pursuing team. Why did you even let them run that far ahead.
Pretty much all matches where i had a bounty team run from under my control it was because of a mistake i made

[keen oak]

I am working with what we have currently. I wouldnt mind them reverting this

[open carbon]

That's what I'm saying. It's smart and not so smart decision making way before even getting to the chase

Also, it would make traits like Magpie next to useless because they're meant to be used to steal the bounty and bail

Sorry, that was an exaggeration

[keen oak]

Eye of the beholder here.

[open carbon]

But it would diminish it's use

[little carbon]

My biggest gripe with this is solo serpent, because it actually gives running too good of a chance. I would rather have them reduce the time it takes to serpent for solos than its range

Running in general is and should be the best tool to punish missing enemy pressure

[open carbon]

Anyhoo, there's enough ways to prepare exfil blocks, but I wouldn't be opposed to having a one time thing that would add a few seconds to the timer when shot or sth. I just think it is unfair to the extracting team to have the timer compound every time someone gets tagged

[keen oak]

Well yes and no. Circumstances vary.

[open carbon]

Of course they vary, but one can prepare for that too

[keen oak]

Well thats just the game theory of always being prepared for anything you can pin that to any suggestion ever made tbh

[little carbon]

I mean yes, but most times a successful run is because the attacking side didnt do their job right or got too focused on another team

[open carbon]

That's not true and not an honest argument I believe

[keen oak]

I exaggerated to make a point

[open carbon]

Didn't catch on then

[keen oak]

All I am saying is bailling with the bounty is way too easy and convenient for the bounty team. Especially that "spread out" feature is just silly

It shouldnt be a thing

Imo

[open carbon]

That part about the spreading out I concede to you, but as far as it's about self-efficacy, I'm firmly set in the git-gud camp, that is undeniable

[little carbon]

I think that is where we disagree. Against an attacking team that is playing properly starting a run is by far not easy, nor convenient

[open carbon]

Exactly

[little carbon]

If we just set aside the extract part for a second and focus more on the start of a run from the compound fight

[open carbon]

One could even go as far to say that one could even prepare for the spreading out

IF you could carry more traps etc

[keen oak]

Game theory again

[open carbon]

Yeah it's a thing for a reason

[keen oak]

I'd disagree on that one.

[open carbon]

Why? Because you can't expect the attacking team to prepare for an escaping team?

[keen oak]

To quote Gino "if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike"

[keen oak]

No, because all it takes is a little diversion and you can bail. Especially when there is only 1 team left.

[open carbon]

You're very easy to distract it seems

[keen oak]

And attackers are at a disadvantage because one needs to check darksight to make sure they are still there

[open carbon]

If someone can't manage to bring that much focus to the game... Maybe play sth else xD

[open carbon]

Smart attackers trap off escape routes on one side and attack the other

[keen oak]

I am glad you're making this about me, but I am talking in general as a person playing across multiple elo ranges

[open carbon]

Yeah I though you were speaking for those

Being easy to distract isn't a reason to get an advantage to compensate

[keen oak]

And I can confidently say it's easier for the bounty team to bail than its for the challengers to contian them

[open carbon]

Being distracted should result in the bounty being able to escape

[keen oak]

On average

That distraction argument was just one example

Dont get to hung up on that friend

[open carbon]

Another idea, to stop arguing about this and thinking of improvements...

And it's gone, dammit

Couldn't even type it out 🙈

Ah

How about adding more incentives to stay in game longer

[keen oak]

Thats just assuming that the bounty team stays dormant whilst challengers can do anything they want

[open carbon]

That wouldn't give anyone an unfair advantage but keep players engaged

[keen oak]

100% agree

[little carbon]

I find that running ususally works because the attacking team is laying back too much and not taking control of areas.

Or if the bounty team actually managed to get a down / multiple tags on the attacking team, forcing them to heal / regroup and uses that time to run. Which in my opinion is kind of fine because at that point you were just outplayed

[open carbon]

I rarely get to the 45 mins these days, and back when it was 60, it felt like we got there more often because the fights were more drawn-out...

[celest spindle]

Gotta love how people come into #game-ideas and suggest a ping limit of fucking 50 or 100

[open carbon]

Attacking teams should just push the compound before the banish completes and then nobody can run :P

[keen oak]

It is much easier to bail than it is to control space/peeks/escape routes whilst keeping the bounty team in one place. There is no question in my mind about this.

[open carbon]

Kill the bounty team and everyone else before banish is done, ez pz

[keen oak]

And I am trying to address this imbalance by making the extraction harder. Maybe every tag adding seconds is going over the top but I will not submit that the way extraction works now is ok

Its not

It's too convenient.

[open carbon]

Would it be ok without the spreading out though?

[keen oak]

Yes.

Absolutely

[open carbon]

I mean, can't get much easier than having chickens sitting on a fence

[little carbon]

Then rather make running a bit harder. Or ideally make running harder if you play passive while in the boss compound.
This way both team are forced to act. If you just make the extraction itself harder, outside teams have less incentive to keep teams from running in the first place

[open carbon]

Passiveness should be discouraged more in general, imo

I mean

Pasiveness should be punished, which is where I come in

[keen oak]

Ideally yes, but realistically there is way too many passive players out there.

[open carbon]

They can go play theHunter Call of the Wild when I'm done with 'em

[keen oak]

How do you figure?

[open carbon]

Wanna be passive? Go play cookie clicker

Ok I think there's nothing more constructive coming from me for now

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-of-here-outta-gif-20872546

I'm out

[queen jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hots-shots-part-deux-hotshotsmovie-hot-shots-movies-lloyd-bridges-gif-19357958

Death should always be avoided in Hunt and thus playing it slow and tactical is a good approach. Those who get out alive, even without the bounty, succeed as they can resupply and try again. Losers die.

[keen oak]

I mean the way you phrased it kinda pin points the problem for me. Why should there be incentives for keeping a team from running to begin with? There should be incentives to keep players in game. Especially on 2 boss lobbies imo

@little carbon As for making the running instead of extracting harder. What are your thoughts?

Unless we stick with that "extracting with the bounty is the objective" thingy then w/e

[unborn smelt]

I'd have to disagree with that. Holding angles from the outside towards the inside is far easier because peekspots are very limited for people inside (windows/doors) but damn near endless from the outside. Generally the same is grue for ressources, usually the surrounding compound holds more ammo/health than the Bosslair (exception being scrappy).
Presence of AI will generally slow down the running team more than the pursuers too.

And at the extact, as a pursuer you only need to dip in once every 30 sec or get a down in the extract.

And well you get constant real time positional innfo about the bounty team as a pursuer.

[keen oak]

You're assuming the bounty can't leave the boss building.

[unborn smelt]

No i'm assuming they'll get shot for doing so

[keen oak]

Only if every single exit is covered

[unborn smelt]

Ofc you cant stop em if you wait 100m far away

And bring no gear/perks to catch up

[queen jungle]

Which shouldn't be much of an issue if multiple teams were around the boss lair. But that would require teams cooperating instead of killing each other on sight

[unborn smelt]

No - only need to cover the one the lightning points towards

[keen oak]

One sided arguments is not how balance discussions should go Ragnorok

[unborn smelt]

Or be generally close to the lair so you can shoot em in the back and be on hot pursuit if they leave

[keen oak]

Circumstances vary on both sides and youre painting the challenging team as being some unstoppable force

Its not the case

I stick to my guns, but I am glad you contributed

[unborn smelt]

We'll need to agree to disagree then

[rotund obsidian]

idk it can be really frustrating to chase someone for so long for them to just extract before you can even take a shot at them, especially since conduit/magpie can give a shitload of stamina

get killed+serpented by a solo 50m away while holding two bounties and the mf gets like, what, 15 minutes of stamina just off of that?

[velvet mulch]

why if i'm killed by a toxic team mate at not even 60 seconds into a game do i have to buy my health back at all when deciding to extract within less than a 5 minute period. shouldn't players be able to do so unless engaged in combat with other combative players. also hope players that team kill within 60 seconds of the beggining of a match get an automated ban because it happens way to often.

[celest spindle]

@unique osprey the idea of swinging a machete over-head is so incredibly awkward

And like you said its similar to heavy knife, go grab a knife from your kitchen and swing it overhead, see how that feels

[unique osprey]

what do you mean? arm straight up and bring it down its a hacking tool. basically a cleaver which I do swing up and down

[celest spindle]

It feels hella awkward, and with the added weight and mass of a machete, its just gonna get worse

[celest spindle]

I want you find a footage of someone actually using a machete like that

[unique osprey]

literally google youtube how to use a machete. slashing sideways with it with its weight makes less sense

[celest spindle]

Its how its designed and how it works

[unique osprey]

I've seen it used both ways and as for swinging it, it would not be much different than swinging a hand axe or a hammer. tbf there are a lot of machete designs that are better at some swings than others. anyway I am just suggesting a way to differentiate the machete as right now I feel like there is litter reason to pick it over saber as slashes hit limbs more often in my experience

[celest spindle]

And the machete ingame is not of said design, its literally a piece of sharpened metal attached to a handle, and i totally understand your standpoint but any other swing animation is just gonna look awkward

[queen jungle]

Intentionally killing your partners is not allowed and you should report any such players to Crytek

There is no such thing as an automated ban for team killing since it may easily happen on accident or be part of a strategy (like the good old rushing the boss lair with a big dynamite bundle and a sticky on your back).

[open carbon]

The game should be able to discern such things from an intentional teamkill within the first 60 seconds of a game w/o any teams spawning close by

[queen jungle]

It's sufficient to just report somebody for doing this.

[keen oak]

We could use a notification if our report resulted in anything as well

I've reported people plenty of times for toxic behaviour and/or chat abuse, griefing etc. and I have no clue what happened later

[queen jungle]

That most likely will never happen due to privacy laws

[pliant wren]

There are some other games that will advise you if one of your reports has led to action against a player. They tend to keep details at a minimum though.

[queen jungle]

Yeah, but according to the EU's GDPR, online identifiers (i. e. nicknames) count as personal identifiable information. I guess Crytek is just staying safe. Some other German games studios also removed public pillories and stuff from their games when GDPR was introduced.

[pliant wren]

Yeah. On League of Legends I know they just essentially say "Hey, one of your recent reports had merit and the person was dealt with." they don't mention what match it was, or who the report was against. If i remember right they instituted that cause hardly anyone was using their reporting function due to there being no feedback on whether it worked, so people just assumed it did nothing.

[keen oak]

What privacy laws? None apply here

GDPR doesn't apply in any way here either. You already know the nickname of the person you are reporting vast majority of the time anyway

[open carbon]

Yeah but you don't know what they're up to just from the nickname

That still falls under privacy laws

[keen oak]

What are you on about sorry I dont follow

[open carbon]

I'll try an analogy

Knowing the name of your neigbour also doesn't entitle you to see their criminal record

[keen oak]

"Up to"?

[queen jungle]

Yes, you know the nickname and thus could easily connect the dots, even if the feedback was just "we took action against somebody you reported"

[keen oak]

Its in no way a breach of GDPR

[open carbon]

It certainly is

[queen jungle]

As mentioned above, nicknames are protected info. They can be used to create a profile on a person, especially since many people use the same nickname across platforms

[open carbon]

And again, knowing the name doesn't entitle you to knowing anything else about them

[keen oak]

If the notification doesnt mention a name then its not

[open carbon]

Yes

Unless you report so many people that you lose track

[keen oak]

Bro youre just assuming now

[open carbon]

You're assuming too, that there's no people that only report once and would thus know who would be meant by such a notification

[keen oak]

But the unnamed notification itself is not a data breach under gdpr

[open carbon]

I've literally reported 2 people over the past years. I'd know who of the two the notification would be about

[keen oak]

Read it like I had to (sadly, work stuff) and get back to me

[open carbon]

If it still helps you identifying the perp, it is a breach. Try arguing this in court dude, every lawyer would fucking eat you alive

[keen oak]

With that sentence alone you showed you dont really know what youre talking about. Unless you referr to a different data regulation than gdpr

[open carbon]

Even your own lawyer

You won't have a chance with that argument in court. That's how it is. GDPR is so fucking strict it'll bite you in the ass if you try stunts like that bc circumvention attempts just increase the penalty

You can't even mount a camera without actually connecting it. You'd have to remove it on the basis of people having to fear you might one day record them with it

If you walk past a place that's got a camera door bell, you're entitled to damages

That's GDPR

[keen oak]

I will go out on a limb and say that I know more than you about it's restrictions and penalties.

And if you were in the right then Crytek would get sued into the ground for the kda table alone alas it did not happen

And before you say it got removed (which it did) it happened way after the gdpr

[open carbon]

No idea what you're basing this on, I work in IT security and system integration, I oughta know privacy laws or I'd be fucking ruined

[keen oak]

Well I work in insurance and finance in the private sector

[open carbon]

But I also feel this discussion is moot because it doesn't matter what we say. If you're really determined to find out, take some money and ask a lawyer

It's probalby down to each specific case anyway

[keen oak]

I dont need to pay for it to I can ask a family member

[open carbon]

And Crytek not wanting that kind of liability is understandable

Also, the leaderboards question is still not 100% answered I believe

If that would constitute a violation I mean

[keen oak]

Btw. Pentalties in the case of nicknames are tied mainly to the indentifying which in GDPR happens to have quite broad definition, but in essence its tied to identifying real identity and a report notification does fuck all for that

Real as in name and surname

[open carbon]

People have been evading bans "using" GDPR so I'd not be too sure about that

[keen oak]

That is a different argument tho

Or rather a different case

[open carbon]

Yeah and it'll probably be a case by case thing in any of the situations we discussed..

[keen oak]

Well unless you can tell me how a ban notification can help me identify someone's real name we are done with the subject anyway

[karmic ivy]

No, It would be resonable to simply let it be what is its, Hunt:Showdown

[karmic ivy]

ROFL, imagine that, crazy

[keen oak]

I am unsure if you grasped the context there because I was just following someone else's train of thought

I am pretty sure most Hunt players came here for the PvP

[karmic ivy]

I think most are here for both PvP and PvE mixed together. I think they like the choice. In my opinion Hunt is about choices at its heart, and your choices effect your performance in the PvPvE setting. A sandbox...

[keen oak]

Perhaps

All I am saying it's very unlikely that the bulk of players are PvErs

Otherwise we would be flooded with requests for a PvE mode or have one already

[karmic ivy]

I don't think PvE types would enjoy Hunt much either. That is why I maintain most Hunt players are here for both the PvE and the PvP, specifically the way they mix.

And to be fair, I have seen a LOT of request for PvE mode. Mostly from players who just bought the game and were confused about the PvP aspect. If I was crytek I would think about launching a totaly separate game that was PvE and get double use out of Hunt's resources.

[terse narwhal]

remove flashesh or at least give a perk that reduces it since im sick to death seeing fuck all

[karmic ivy]

Ill pass on a tip, when you hear them pull out the flash (and you can hear it most times) get distance! To do this you obv. can't be caught flat footed.

[terse narwhal]

dude im never going to pull that during a 1v2 scenario ones going push me either waty

[queen jungle]

@sick wind I see two reasons against this which the devs have mentioned in the past:

1. They have argued against the suggestion of removable attachments because weapon variants the way we have them now are much easier to balance

2. They have talked about loadout commitment. If you choose a gun, you ought to take it. If the conditions turn out to not be favourable for your choice of gun, you can either pick up a world spawn or another hunter's gun. It's essentially the same argument they used against being able to use just one pistol if you equip a pair: you decide to take a certain loadout, you'll have to deal with it until you can switch to something else.

[pliant wren]

The mix is 100% necessary. Without the PVE, we're just playing a much slower version of any other PVP shooter without vehicles, automatic weapons, or destructible environments. People who only want PVP have Tarkov, Battlefield, Apex, and Fortnite.

[little jackal]

I would so much like to try Hunt without zombies and hunting and stuff. Something along the lines of the most recent suggestion, smuggler packages, cowboys and outlaws shooting each other over their dirty business.

don't mind zeds as a concept, just don't care a tiny bit. I'm here for the western gunplay as it's settled now in the game

oh, you're actually the author too 😄

guess I have to upvote now

[pliant wren]

lol, I feel like that would need to be it's own game, but not a bad idea. It could be in the same universe as Hunt, but take place somewhere else. Maybe there's a labor dispute in a major mining and logging area in Virginia. You could be a mercenary for either the company or the union fighting for the workers. (There were a series of military actions of companies against their work forces or even companies against companies around this time that would fit.)

[queen jungle]

So just the map? You can already have that in trials 🙂

[native lodge]

not entirely opposed to the idea if the scope once removed could not be reattached

remove optics is easy, resetting them takes work

[pliant wren]

Maybe you can put it back on, but it's not zeroed from then on, so learning where the round goes after you put it back on is part of the tradeoff.

[native lodge]

maybe

but its proably just easier to make it so once its off its off

[queen jungle]

@green moat If a single, stationary sniper manages to hold your team down, they are definitely better players tbh

[last blaze]

@visual charm you can use this server to find a 3rd person to play with when ever you want.

[visual charm]

I don't want to play with anyone new though, I like my friend. It's annoying that we've got to change now

That's my point

It's fine I guess, if hunt isn't going to embrace 2v2s, we'll play another game

[ripe basalt]

@sacred cypress You will need to edit your feedback post to add feedback to it. Currently it's just a screenshot with no context.

[queen jungle]

It is pretty disappointing not to have duos for the event

[red sand]

It's somewhat disappointing that my friend won the raffle during their last Livestream event and was present during the drawing and once whispered using Twitch to he responded with his Platform he plays on (PlayStation 5) and was never given his raffle prize. (Gamertag: Kyromist)

Funny enough, he didn't mind much. It was actually me that found it more disheartening.

[azure elm]

@green moat love this idea. My buddy and I have had the same thoughts. Something like a grunt shows up if you stay still or idle for too long. I think there definitely needs to be something to keep gameplay moving especially when bounty is claimed.

@pliant wren I like this. I had some ideas to change missions but it got downvoted to hell, I guess people like the current state of missions. But this fits nicely into my ideas. I think it would be a great addition for more to do in game. Things like help extract an npc located somewhere on the map, and if you successfully extract with the npc, you get to keep them as a playable hunter. Things like the smuggling pact like you mentioned, or item retrieval/extraction would net you that item. I think it would add to the lore and story of the game, give opportunities for more legendary hunters to learn about or play as, and add a much needed change to the missions.

[little jackal]

it's just not realistic to suggest such big features

they struggle with reimplementing already existed traits, and you ask them for trains, smuggler packages... I can see why it gets downvoted

or expect, not suggest, I should say

[azure elm]

Changing missions to spice them up is a big feature? How is just taking out such bland missions with even slightly more indepth missions a “big feature”

Some people can’t even do the challenges that are present if they’re working through prestige levels. Doing damage with bleed and poison over and over is boring and almost not even worth doing except for during events. They don’t lend to game immersion or give any good rewards. Changing that is not a “big feature”.

[pliant wren]

I typically make suggestions like this to give the devs ideas and let them know where people's heads are at. If it gets downvoted, then so be it, but if nobody lets them know we want more things than just 'Sprint, Shoot, Sprint, Shoot.' they may fall into the illusion that it is all we want.

[ripe basalt]

@azure elm Use this channel for replies/discussions. Not the #feedback channel

[queen jungle]

@celest elm @sudden wing @covert orbit @trail oasis @unique robin Please use the appropriate bug report channels to report possible bugs and issues with the game and keep #game-ideas for game feature suggestions only.

@dull prawn Please keep #game-ideas for game feature suggestions only and use #feedback for game- or Discord related feedback.

@west hill @coarse breach @untold silo @austere stone @hallow basin Please make sure to add a detailed description to your suggestion so others know why they should vote for your idea.

[pliant wren]

Ideas that change up the dynamic are always good to me. This is a game a whole lot of people have tried and decided was too much for them/not their kind of thing. New events and new playstyles are a good way to give someone a reason to try again.

[little jackal]

I personally am a simple man and want much simpler things like for that sprint-shoot cycle to work properly, for starters. Just commented on why I think these ideas sometimes don't get good reception

[azure elm]

Sure, I’m not upset that ideas get downvoted, but I would imagine that exploring how to expand the game to entice more players and give more options is something most people would want, instead of just adding more legendary skins and guns that don’t get picked after a week and returning to the same long ammo players that run away from confrontation gameplay loop that has been more and more prevalent.

[azure elm]

But see you can stick to your simple things, you don’t have to do the things that are added. You can keep playing the same way, and using the same guns or whatever, but i just want more options. If there’s a smuggling package, you don’t have to take it. But it would be a fun thing for those looking for more to do. The choice is yours. That’s where I get hung up on, when they add new stuff you get to choose if it’s something you deem useful to do or try. If it’s not something you want to do then nothing has really changed. If it is something you want to do then you have more to do in game. All I ever see from expanding game features and gameplay loop is a win win.

[hollow raft]

@inner loom What would be your opinion about the Devils Dream skin redesign suggestion?

interested in learning what your counter-take is

[inner loom]

I don't think everything needs to be camouflage.
There's camouflage options already, I enjoy having fancy stuff, too.

[hollow raft]

I can see that being true for Hunters and guns, but shouldn't a trap be not eye-catching?

better reword, I agree I mean

[inner loom]

Then use the camouflage ones if you want them.
Still doesn't mean you should take things away from others.
In time, we'll get even more camouflage options most likely.
A re-design takes it away from people that enjoy using it as it is.

[pliant wren]

I'd agree with the whole traps not sticking out thing. I feel alot of the legendary stuff is designed without visibility in mind.

[hollow raft]

I see yes, and that is also why I suggested that it could be officially polled for those who did earn the skin

but also yes, maybe there will be another future option

[inner loom]

Personally, I think it's even more fun to get people with traps that are 'obvious'.
Means I tricked them even harder.
No poll necessary.
Don't take stuff away.
I simply disagree.
Even if the majority votes for it.
It won't hold in any German court that you purchased an item as advertized for it to then be changed later.

[hollow raft]

It wasn't purchased, is why I put it up for consideration

[inner loom]

It's part of the battlepass, that's a bundle purchase.

[little jackal]

can't wait for the Cain case in some German court

[inner loom]

If Brussels wants to change that, they can.
Until then, I'll stick to my opinion.
It doesn't matter much for the majority, anyways.

[austere stone]

What detail do I need?

[pliant wren]

Yeah, they have changed Cain twice, still annoyed about that. Shouldn't have nerfed him, should have buffed all the others. Throw some dirt on those clean shirts, hats on bald heads.

[austere stone]

I want consumables in the shooting range to respawn

[inner loom]

There is guidelines on what a 'defining design' is.
Imagine it a little like copy-right law.
There is breathing room for changes.
I don't see a Cain case happening.
But people can file any case they want.
I've never really seen a problem with Cain.
Headsman is worse - Cain at least has a face shape and eyes.

[knotty ore]

When can we get the tomahawk skin and seven sights skins?

Seriously the only good skins for their respective weapons

And they are just walled for no reason

[pliant wren]

There wasn't a problem with Cain, people were used to all the high visibility hunters that really pop out with movement. Reptilian blends in with more places on the map and he hasn't been nerfed.

[azure elm]

I feel like changing skins is just a bad idea unless it’s realllll bad. But I understand for those who don’t want to pay. As long as it’s not becoming pay to win, of course some skins will do better in certain conditions. That’s just hunt. A smart hunter will prepare for this.

[inner loom]

I dunno, I play Whiteshirts 90% of the time because they're free.
And I have all DLC. 🤷‍♂️

[knotty ore]

Bro, Cain was hard to focus on while he was visible and moving. Lets not even go with, "there wasn't a problem with Cain".

Reptilian is much much easier to spot compared to OG Cain.

[azure elm]

Yeah! I play a lot of free hunters. In fact I prefer the hunters with cool names over a legendary hunter. Especially when they have a nickname.

[pliant wren]

The only places he blended in was in the rocky areas around the southern edge of the map with DeSalle, and the cliffs around the mine. Inside any building he stuck out like a sore thumb. Couldn't blend in with wheat fields or muddy river banks and moving he had no advantage. I mean, sure he didn't have a yellow bulls eye on his back, or a giant square suitcase on his back, but that's not a testament to his camo, it's a testament to how much half of the Legendary hunters stick out.

[dull mason]

You realize that you're asking them to change almost every skin in the game rather than change the one skin that's actually creating a disparity? Seems pretty silly to ask them to put in so much effort when it was just one skin blending in more than the rest which could be fixed in a way simpler fashion.

In terms of skin changes though imo Headsman is the only one that should be changed. That skin is straight up unfair, especially if you're playing wildcard right now. No other skin in the game comes close to as consistently hard to see as that one, and worst of all it's not even available to everyone, it was a limited time halloween skin.

[knotty ore]

Before he got more shit put on him he blended into everything. Even while moving it was hard to focus your eyes on him. Same principle as digital camo. Its hard to visually acquire a silhouette.

[pliant wren]

Nerfing is lazy design. Making the few good things mediocre is way worse than making a bunch of bad things good. Does it take more effort, yeah, but most good things do.

[little jackal]

I would call the Cain changes fixing, not nerfing

[dull mason]

The fact that you are considering the skin changes nerfs (as do I) leads me to believe that we agree that Cain used to be noticeably better than the other skins

Also nerfing is not lazy design, it prevents power creep by keeping things that give too much competitive edge at bay and balancing the game.

Nerfing fixes poor design or changes old design to be more aligned with new design.

[unborn dagger]

^

[hardy coral]

Buff everything to be as good as nitro

[knotty ore]

To be honest, even skins like The Headsman, or Beast Hunter are pretty easy to spot because the silhouette stands out on the background unless they are literally in shadow (which you can just lower some settings to remedy). Cain was way harder to spot almost on any background due to him having garbage and turds just smeared all over his body.

He was indistinguishable from literal terrain

When he wasn't moving.

The biggest joke of a skin right now is The Reaper. His face is a literal headshot magnet and its hilarious

Like, anyone running that skin will get domed all day

[queen jungle]

@atomic cipher Please choose a title that fits your suggestion

[umbral garden]

@fiery seal if you tap the icon on the book you’ll get the bloodbonds without even opening the menu

[peak radish]

https://tenor.com/view/rinsed-clint-eastwood-raining-gif-23148925

on amd

[charred yoke]

So is there a bug where the exits will sometimes show like there is a hunter at them when you use Instinct ?

I had it happen twice in a row and i couldnt find anyone there

[dull mason]

Yeah that's happened to me and my friends a few times

[charred yoke]

Also you cant die with a small stick of dynamite if you have bulwerk right ?

[iron trench]

@woven doveOver-Under Barrel shotgun is an awesome gun, but i'm pretty sure that was made in the 1900's

“Woodward patented that shotgun in 1913.”

[charred yoke]

why are there so many cheaters and they are not getting banned

Its obvious they are cheating because they are level 1 with zero prestige and yet they have a lot of bounty and player kills

How is this possible ?

[queen jungle]

@night sinew The reason given by the devs why this is not a thing is loadout commitment. If you choose to take a double pistol loadout, that's what you commit to. All you can do is swap for a world spawn or another Hunter's gun, but other than that, you're stuck with what you chose to take into the bayou.
It's just the same as taking a rifle with a scope and ending up on a fog map.

[night sinew]

Ah, so it have been adressed already. Coolio👍 I understand the reasoning, but by adding a perk to make it possible, it would not be very different from levering. And they have already tweaked the duali ammo capacity this patch so shouldnt be overpowered.

[acoustic portal]

Okay, so for title, do i litterally just do Title:?

[acoustic portal]

Smurfing is the reason, they make a new steam account, buy a new copy of the game, rank down every day by letting themselves die, then go all out in the low tier lobbies. It's very, VERY annoying

It's not technically cheating, but a distasteful practice that knowingly exploits the MMR system's weaknesses

[queen jungle]

Smurfing is a violation of Steam's new code of conduct, so it's not just a "distasteful practice"

[acoustic portal]

Nice!

HammerTime for the smurfs >:0

[little jackal]

so half of the quickplay population is gonna get banned now?

aaaaaaaany second now...

[queen jungle]

Guess you have to report suspected violations to Steam

[keen oak]

@queen jungle 20 players in one game may be a bit much, but I wouldn't say no to a small bump from 12 to 15

[queen jungle]

Player count is already 20% higher than what the game and maps were designed for, which is 10 players. 12 was introduced with trios, as it works for all combinations (solo, duo, and trio).

In general, as stated by the devs in the past, PvP is not supposed to be a constantly occurring event in Hunt. The idea is for it to be relatively rare, but all the more tense due to the risk of permanently losing a valuable hunter and equipment.

[rocky stump]

so you guys lowering the price of Drilling or nah

[frozen crater]

yes Im lowering it to 34

[rocky stump]

aight z

[queen jungle]

Pvp is the main trump card of the game, killing bosses is a boring activity, but fighting with other players for this very boss is a drop-off!

[rocky stump]

false

[knotty ore]

I feel like devs need to spend more time talking to players because if they think PVP is rare in Hunt, they are wrong. In experienced lobbies PVP isn't rare. You spend more time PVPing, or positioning to PVP. Than you spend PVEing. It takes like one axe throw to kill most mobs and bosses die very quickly to basically anything.

[keen oak]

"Maps were designed" is a matter of perspective too friend. Plenty of times you can feel Hunt being more of a running simulator than an FPS and I for one would enjoy the game more if there were more opportunities to encounter players.

[frozen crater]

@keen oak what does handling mean

[keen oak]

How quickly you can draw, aim, etc

[knotty ore]

I think reducing the chance of spawning next to other teams was a mistake.

It was super fun to PVP right away

[frozen crater]

where can you find those stats for other guns

[keen oak]

Yep, but bushwookies complained and it got removed

[knotty ore]

It still happens just not nearly as much.

[keen oak]

In game

[keen oak]

Which is sad. Personally I love first compound encounters gets you right in the groove

[frozen crater]

in game doesnt show stats for ads/draw time tho

[knotty ore]

They want to force more interaction at boss lair, but those interactions are shit due to bad design. Team won't leave boss lair and no one enters.

[keen oak]

Thats handling and its a stat measured in %

[frozen crater]

they changed the stats tho

I dont see any handling in game

[keen oak]

Check in the menu I am sure you will find it there

[frozen crater]

its straight up nonexistent in the menu ui

[queen jungle]

Well then it's exactly as designed. Hunt is not supposed to be constant PvP.
A team (or your team) makes a mistake, for example by scaring crows, and another team starts tracking them and thinking of possible ways to engage (or avoid if necessary).

It's not a CoD or Battle Royale or Battlefield where you are supposed to have constant action

Hunt builds on tension and playing tactical.

[keen oak]

Click on a weapon

And its there

[queen jungle]

Very many players disagree on that, as evidenced by the mountain of feedback asking for it to be changed back in the day.

[keen oak]

That just the eye of the beholder my man. Playstyles vary and so do preferences. You can't just say "you're supposed to do xyz" it seems off.

[frozen crater]

bro WHERE is a stat for percentage based handling

[queen jungle]

It's how the game was designed, how it was intended to be played as stated by the devs lol

[keen oak]

Ah right I forgot I was working of off the website I am on my phone

[keen oak]

How its intended and how its played are two very different things in almost every game out there bro. Hence the eye of the beholder

Whilst you can say the devs want X and it is a valid statement, but it doesn't invalidate someone's suggestion to shift the meta based on a preferrence.

[queen jungle]

How it is played by a minority of PvP enthusiasts. In any case having breaks between fights and spending time tracking and "hunting" is a core part of Hunt's gameplay.

[keen oak]

It's a matter of whether or not will it work and be enjoyable fpr the majority

[keen oak]

Minority? Bold statement

I'd say majority came for the gunfights

[unborn smelt]

No... Its not a matter of perspective at all.

The way it was designed was for 10 players of duos/solos per square KM of map.

If your preferance would be more PvP and less walking its a preferance, your preferance, not a matter of perspective of how it was designed

Not to say your preferance doesnt matter

Just saying your preferance being diffrent doesn't change what finall said - that the games map size was originally designed for 10 people

[keen oak]

Except it's too big for 10 people, unless the design comes with a playstyle suggestion which then varies upon player preferrences of desired gameplay loop

[queen jungle]

It's not too big. It's large enough to result in the gameplay the devs intend for the game, i. e. relatively rare, but all the more intense PvP fights.

It's build with the game's vision in mind

[keen oak]

And to say that "you can not increase player count because it was designet for less" is kinda cringy statement

[unborn smelt]

It does...
The desing behind it is the map shpuld be big enoughto make PvP few and far between but more tense as there's plenty of room for flanking, ambushes, stalking or full shootouts

[keen oak]

Matter of perspective. Imo you can fit an extra team there with ease

[queen jungle]

Do you think creating a map for an FPS is just slapping a bunch of assets together? It's a months-long process with many phases of testing, changes and iterations based on analysis of player behaviour, actions, events of the gameplay process, etc. to achieve the intended gameplay for a majority of players.

[unborn smelt]

Thats the suggeated playstyle that was intended

How many teams you think fit the map is indeed preferance. And thats perfectly fine.

But the design was 10 people per km squared

[keen oak]

Don't assume what I think friend its where debates go sideways. I am well aware its a lenghty process and I still believe we could squezze 15 players there.

[unborn smelt]

I too think it'd fit 15 peeps

[keen oak]

And so far I cant see a single solid argument against it

[celest spindle]

Under rpm
Its 77%

[unborn smelt]

Seeing as how many trios are around

[queen jungle]

If you want more teams, play duos. Two players in a team is what the game is balanced for, while trios is an easier experience with fewer teams in total.

[celest spindle]

@frozen crater you can also hover over the icons to read what they are

[keen oak]

Thank you kindly for the suggestion, but I will stick with increasing the server cap to 15 players thank you.

As for me it would be a better experience

[celest spindle]

So many games just slap things together and make a "realistic" or city map so our expectations are kinda low like that lol

[open carbon]

@green moat just look at how many bush-wookie wanna be Sniper Elites are downvoting your suggestion 🙈 I'm all for anti-camper mechanics. Not moving out of a 3m radius in like 1-2 mins should have grunts spawn on you from underground, grabbing your ankles and making noise

[celest spindle]

Why specifically 16 and not 15?

[celest spindle]

Thats a bit extreme

[open carbon]

Just an idea :P

[celest spindle]

To be fair this ainta hide and seek gameto encourage movenent

Irl wars and gunfights are exactly like this, consist of people camping and holding positions

[keen oak]

5 trios, 7 duos and a cherry solo seems right to me

[open carbon]

Yeah but don't argue with "realism"

[celest spindle]

Because they're not immortal or havetheability to rebirth unlike in the game

[open carbon]

The game is not realistic and there's no argument for realism in the game

[celest spindle]

Thats literally what most games are aiming for as of now lol

[open carbon]

If you believe Hunt is aiming for realism, I don't know how to tell you

[celest spindle]

16 is a more likelable number tho, since it allows for 5 teams of trios

[keen oak]

The realism part in Hunt only revolves around the weapons immersion i.e the sounds, mechanisms etc. The rest is magic

[open carbon]

Voodoo tb precise

[keen oak]

I guess, either or is fine with me tbh

[celest spindle]

Still a shootng game, so it retains the commonly used strategies in gunfights and war in the real world

[open carbon]

Anyway, the ankle-grabbing grunts are just an idea I've had for a while. Punishing the campers, that's what I would vote for

[keen oak]

To a degree only. The tempo is entirely different and that affects strategies as well

[celest spindle]

Even without wanting to you are at times using strategies used in the real world

[open carbon]

If they want to encourage camping, I suggest increasing the match time to accommodate such play styles

To like 4h

[keen oak]

Thats the last thing we need right now

[open carbon]

:P

[celest spindle]

Yeah because of the bravery and feel of invulenaribility and freedom that the game gives you, otherwise if you were to put yourself in their shoes it would be a completely different story

[open carbon]

I know ^^

[celest spindle]

Fuck. No.

[open carbon]

😂

[celest spindle]

This aint tarkov my boy

[open carbon]

Then please upvote anti-camping mechanics :P

[keen oak]

Plus Hunters are overall faster than your everyday operator

[celest spindle]

If its a good one yeah, but that one wasnt a good one

[open carbon]

I mean, to be fair, you can't argue for realism in Tarkov either xD

A PMC running out of breath after jogging 50m 😂

Suuure, realizmmmm

[celest spindle]

And dont have the problems that humans have, example asthma or leg or other organ disabilities

[celest spindle]

Tarkov is the only game i've seen actually do realism right

Beside day z

[celest spindle]

To an extent

[open carbon]

Or tendecnies for overdosing

[keen oak]

As for the anticamping mechanis we could use a fly effect. If you stick to one place too long then flies go over to you and bzzz bzz ehich stands to reason you are likely going to stink like a hobo after an hour in the bayou

They didnt have rexona back then either

[celest spindle]

💀

Why does it sound like this might actually work

You should suggest that

[open carbon]

Would upvote

[keen oak]

Funnily enough I did like a year or two ago

Got downvoted af

Bushwookies together strong

[celest spindle]

Yeah aint nobody scrolling up that far

Resuggest it

[open carbon]

Do it like that SkylarEDM fellow

Respam it 3 times a day or sth

[celest spindle]

A good anti camping suggestion should be a suggestion which benefits both the victim and the enemy

[open carbon]

Anti-camping mechanics vs Reshade haters (who complain about being seen while "well hidden" - so those are probalby a majority of the campers) xD

[keen oak]

Also there should be step sounds if you turn around in one place. Thats one of the few things Tarkov did better than Hunt

[celest spindle]

But to be fair we dont need any anti camping suggestions as of now

We have frag bolts for bomblance

[open carbon]

Rustling bushes would also work :D

[celest spindle]

Instinct perk, which had a high chance of staying

[celest spindle]

Suggest now!

25m hearing range should be fine for people crouching

Walking 50m
Running 65m

And theres skylar edm again

[keen oak]

If you go to reddit people are still suggesting full stealth mechanic every now and then

[celest spindle]

Uploading the same suggestion for the 9th time (yes i counted)

[keen oak]

Its crazy

[celest spindle]

Suggestion: make shadow work on hunters 💀

[open carbon]

Done

[celest spindle]

What do you mean "while still in the bush"

Like constant noise?

[open carbon]

@coral ridge You BELIEVE you were well hidden.

[celest spindle]

You need to be more in depht, explain your suggestion in fu detail

[open carbon]

Unless you stay completely still, yeah

[celest spindle]

I'll add a follow up suggestion to yours with more detail and explanation soon

[open carbon]

I've added the ranges and movement details, but yeah, do that, more exposure

[celest spindle]

I saw, horrible explanation 💀

[open carbon]

I'm bad at phrasing such things, I'd appreciate it if you have a better way of putting it ^^

I'd just copy it into the suggestion then

[old iron]

@open carbon I support bushes rustling. Just also wanted to point out that the cornstalks do this. So they shouldn't have issues implementing that into the game imo.

[open carbon]

Yeah not just the corn stalks do it, the reeds in the water do, too

Making the rest of the plants do it too would just be consequent

And it really would do soooooo freaking much about campers

[celest spindle]

Wait the reeds make noise ingame?

I thought that was clientside

[open carbon]

I'm not sure about that

There could also be a squirrel. A cute little cursed zombie squirrel that comes to you when you sit waiting in the bushes.. First it'll just be curious and timidly check you out while making next to no noise others could hear. Then, when you stay still, it'll start climbing up on you, squeaking out of curious excitement which will, if left undisturbed, turn louder and louder like an alarm, attract other AI etc

You can't downvote a squirrel, can you?

[celest spindle]

I can

[open carbon]

Such a fuzzy little cuddly boi

[celest spindle]

So can others

[open carbon]

But that's just wrong xD

[celest spindle]

Hell nawh

The fuck is that

[open carbon]

If it really is client side, it should be changed so everyone hears it

[open carbon]

It's what comes to you in your sleep if you're a camper

😈

Enough bashing them though

[keen oak]

We need something that works inside and outside

[open carbon]

Mammoths!

[keen oak]

Squirrel is more od an outdoorsy thing

[open carbon]

Inside could be rats

Or mice, less bitey

Similarly curious

[keen oak]

And the more anticamping things are stacked the less likely they are to be.implemented

Mice avoid humans

[open carbon]

Aye

Zombie mice maybe

I actually like the Wuja's idea with the flies the most

The rest was just spitballing

[keen oak]

Goobert huh I need to google thay

Thats just mean

[open carbon]

Oh fuck

I'm sorry 🙈

[keen oak]

No youre not

[open carbon]

Yes I am, that was an honest mistake I swear

[keen oak]

You will be when a skilled spizter pops you from 200m because skill

[open carbon]

If you do it on iron sights, I'll actually just die acceptingly

And then report you for aimbotting

[celest spindle]

@open carbon check #game-ideas

[keen oak]

Well I dont really snipe I find boring. If I ever use spitzer its on irons

[celest spindle]

Wha happen

[open carbon]

I mistakenly accredited the flies idea to you

[keen oak]

I thought he was calling me a Goobert for giggles and I checked it

[celest spindle]

Ah xD

[keen oak]

Some green goo fella

[celest spindle]

Wut

[open carbon]

Looks cute though

[celest spindle]

Just searched it up, wtf xD

[open carbon]

Yeah the name is a bit uninventive... It's like calling a human "Fleshbert"

[celest spindle]

I nicknamed myself this because people would call me a goober in #hunt-general cuz i main bees

[keen oak]

Main bees?

[celest spindle]

I still main bees

[open carbon]

Hive bombs

[celest spindle]

My main consumables are bees

[keen oak]

Yikes

[celest spindle]

:(

[keen oak]

Well I respect it nonetheless its hard to make hive bombs work

[celest spindle]

Its pretty easy, for me that is

Idk why its so hard for everyone

[keen oak]

And anything is better than 4 toolboxes with traps

[celest spindle]

They legit work better than flashbombs when im using them

[open carbon]

Most who use hive bombs don't know how to keep the swarm from going after themselves

:P