feedback-discussion

[keen oak]

Matchmaking is in your favour. Especially against trios

You are playing vs borderline paid actors if youre a 5 star

[brisk timber]

If i as a Solo have to offset a death by killing like 3x3Star-MMR players in like 50% of the matches to just stay even
i think thats a bit unbalanced
I dont know many people that can pull that off

[keen oak]

In fact its easier to play solo vs trios than vs duos

[unborn smelt]

I'm fairly certain you don't have to do so...

[brisk timber]

Maybe if youre playing sniper and dont engange and alway retreat and instantly leave fog maps and alike

[keen oak]

Last time I played sniper was in January

But keep digging

[brisk timber]

I dont agree but ok.

[unborn smelt]

well there's definetly a case that can be made to increase or decrease the volatility

[keen oak]

Sounds like you havent developed a game sense to comfortably play as a solo and need practise

[brisk timber]

Thanks.

Ive read some stuff of yours and i dont care about your opinion like many others do 😄

[unborn smelt]

However usually players lack the specifics of the system - so we'll need to treat the assumption of having to kill 3 people in a solo match to stay even on death as an assumption

[keen oak]

I am not trying to bash you I say this in all seriousness. Some people just dont know the maps well enough to pull off a solo game

[brisk timber]

over the last month what im telling is what many players have said
so theres that

[keen oak]

But compensate it with better teamplay or aim

[unborn smelt]

yeah that's not how it works...

[brisk timber]

I still dont agree that i have to offset 1 death by like 3 kills

thats out of proportion

[unborn smelt]

MMR is there to try and match people more evenly - not to basically say "git gud"

[keen oak]

I referred to him being more adjusted to playing as a part of a team

Not the mm itself where you quoted me

But regardless

[brisk timber]

I totaly agree that the actual gameplay as a solo has improved dramatically and is easier than ever (i would say its finally somewhat balanced) to play
But that doesnt mirror well in the MMR system

Solos are constantly fighting a uphill battle in regard of MMR gain

[unborn smelt]

ah mb must have missundcerstood

[keen oak]

Ah so your issue is mmr gain

Not the solo itself

Or is it both

[brisk timber]

yea like just the point distribution

[keen oak]

Ah

Whatever then I misunderstood I thought you were coping about solo itself

[unborn smelt]

That's by design tho

[keen oak]

Apologies

[unborn smelt]

MMR is meant to adjust until the outcome is as even as possible

not to be the object of a grind

[brisk timber]

Yea i dont think its a good design then
Even more so when people that usually play on like 5-6* can abuse it
And crush 3* lobbies

[unborn smelt]

Now you can ofc use it as an object to grind for, but then, not meant as belitteling or an insult, getting better is the actual answer

[brisk timber]

well its a bit shit tho if you have tools at hand to use that would help ingame
but you dont use it because those tools can trash your MMR

Like in this game my mate could necro me on another spot and add pressure to the guy sniping him

Should i yell "NONO DONT MY MMR!" ?

thats bad design

ofc let him revive me

because its beneficial to gameplay

[tribal wyvern]

Well devs disagree.
David has even said that the mmr system is far to volatile.
And they're revamping it, clearly they do not like how it works.

You should not be able to jump around 3/5 possible ranks in 1 evening as many do.
(1 is afaik not possible to get to unless you're below 99 on 1st "prestige")

[unborn smelt]

there is the possibility for abuse - but then one shouldn't forget your MMR can raise just as quickly again as it dropped

[brisk timber]

Necros and self-revives shouldnt get punished so harshly.
thats basically it

[unborn smelt]

and it's cryteks job to find out how often the MMR abuse actually happens and if the downside of adressing that is worth the upside

[keen oak]

Tbf solos mmr gain should be a bit "unfair" and lower when compared to playingn with friends in your mmr. After all you are pretty much smurfing

I dont see a problem here

[unborn smelt]

I absolutely cannot agree with that...

that's just wrong

[keen oak]

How so

[brisk timber]

Yea no i hard disagree
Lowering the MMR is just a fair way to offset the firepower disadvantage
Playing something like 3x4star vs 1x5star is not "smurfing"

[unborn smelt]

Smurfing is using a lower MMR with no downsides, by logging into a smurf account

a solo in hunt has lowered MMR

But they also have the added downsides of having access to less ressources in game

[brisk timber]

I mean with how guns work in Hunt having two or threetimes the firepower/rate is a biiig advantage
And 3 different angles aswell

3 more tools/consumes

Playing solo is not smurfing

[keen oak]

You might say that, but from my experience I win more games as a solo than with a team so I simply dont agree with you lot

[unborn smelt]

like a solo "team" only has 150 HP total, 4 consumables and one weapon slot in active use.
A team, has up to 450 HP, 12 consumables, and three weapons firing at the same time

[brisk timber]

i would argue its like hardcore mode

[unborn smelt]

those inherent downsides differentiate it from smurfing

actual smurfing would be having a low MMR account with which you play, as a team yourself against other teams

thus eliminating the inherent downsides to solo gameplay

[keen oak]

Thats just theoretical advantage not actual one. I'd take a naked 5star with a Winfield to my team than full specced 3stars any day of the week

[unborn smelt]

you would - that's fine. But the inherent downsides are still there

[keen oak]

Offsetted with skill

[unborn smelt]

yeah hence no smurfing

[keen oak]

That is if you know the fundamentals of playing as a solo

Coupled with that

Yes it is smurfing imo

[unborn smelt]

smurfing is having the skill, but "ofsetting" the downsides by using a smurf account, so you get both, the higher skill than your rating without any of the downsides you'd usually face for that

[keen oak]

And I stand by it

[keen oak]

I get what you mean bro but from my POV the current meta favours solo. Excluding traps

[unborn smelt]

it really doesn't

[keen oak]

Add skill, game sense etc and yeah

Thats it

We can agree to disagree then

[unborn smelt]

we will have to agree to disagree

[brisk timber]

I dont know. Im still not satisfied how the current system works and think it needs tweaking in the way it distributes points and how volatile it is.
Aswell as the gameplay around necro and self-revive needs a bit fine tuning
Like we still dont have a "refuse" button and getting necroed.

Or how selfrevive is often useless for someone like a Shotgun player if he doesnt die around a handful other corpses

Like as a game mechanic self revive should work as a second wind and not a deathcheat/extraction mechanic

[keen oak]

Self revive should have a limit

[brisk timber]

Agree

Id rather have a faster self revive that is limited

[keen oak]

Its too potent

[keen oak]

Faster would be a crutch tho

[unborn smelt]

I'd love a refuse button on necro. As for Volatility of MMR Crytek have all the data, i trust them more than i trust even myself and a players very biased (including myself) view

[brisk timber]

Yea but if you dont play a mosin sniper to begin with in 99% of times the 10sec timer wont help you much - you get insta burned and trapped if you dont play against complete beginners.

And even if they dont burn you its often just used to bail out of the game

People get something to drink and then press the button after 10min

its stupid by design right now

[unborn smelt]

well that's why they made the burning bug a feature

[brisk timber]

Id rather have a guy revive after 5 sec and have a proper fight and if i kill him again BAM hes out
Than have to deal with 4 x 10sec revives

[keen oak]

Well I mean in a lot of cases self revive can save your ass even with its current timer.

Ofc its borderline useless for a shotgun player unless vs paid actors.

But if you die in a building like 50m or more out then you are good

If you are a 5/6 star solo you will more often than not meet people who wont burn you immediately but rather go to rez their teammates or whatever its a situational thing I think

Then again high mmr 6star is likely fucked which makes sense because the assumption here is they should be able to outplay

Just put a limit on it tho

Like a timer and no more than 3 revives per game

[dull mason]

Considering how common it is to trade when fighting with shotguns I wouldn't say that solo revive is borderline useless for it.

Also i don't play solo much but once you burn out you shouldn't be able to revive yourself any longer

[keen oak]

That only works in solos favor if its the last player in enemy team or again paid actors

[dull mason]

Or if their teammates are far enough away that they cannot reach LoS on you in 10 seconds

Either way I still stand behind the opinion that trades being a net positive for one side is a significant factor

[peak radish]

where my fokin rain ? on saint amd?

[hardy coral]

Maybe tomorrow they'll drop a hotfix.

[peak radish]

already half of the event has passed, and they can have everything tomorrow

[celest spindle]

@coral ridge in most situations its not always reshade, and before you go on talking about the black and white filters, thats unlocked reshade, which is bannable from another standpoint of its own, and you have to factor in other situations: someone might have pretty good vision, your gun could've been clipping or sticking out of said location, your location might have been predictable to the experienced eye/player and they found you that way

theres multiple different factors, dont always blame it on reshade

[umbral garden]

Another episode of people downvoting suggestions for no reason: one (1) person downvoted adding different icons for pinging different things

I’m not upset I do think it’s funny how no matter who or what gets suggested at least one person disagrees

[celest spindle]

some people just read the title and vote without reading desc

other than that i have no other things to defend em with xD

[umbral garden]

💀

Alternatively you could suggest adding tactical nukes and hookers to the game and at least one person would upvote it

[soft river]

@vast geyser there is no difference

they are just closer

[unborn dagger]

Eh I mean same can be said for people upvoting their own suggestions in a desperate attempt to get people to upvote the idea

[celest spindle]

i upvote my suggestions cuz i would like to see that change, if i didnt like said suggestion i wouldnt even make that suggestion 💀

[umbral garden]

Why would i not upvote a suggestion I agree with

I literally made the idea I’m not gonna downvote it

And it’s not a desperate attempt bc unless the discord is made of toddlers the one extra vote isn’t gonna peer pressure anyone into changing their opinion 💀

I mean

[celest spindle]

💀 those thumb mobile emojies

[umbral garden]

👍👎

[umbral garden]

Seethe

[celest spindle]

they look hella different on pc

[umbral garden]

Oh god that’s horrible

Never show me your PC emojis ever again or I’m making sure my therapist knows your name

[celest spindle]

looks like we got some trolls on the suggestion channel

@somber glade a similar suggestion has been made before which you might agree with: #game-ideas message

worth reading and giving it a vote i'd say

[somber glade]

That was indeed, a suggestion I’d agree with, thanks.

[celest spindle]

#game-ideas message also pretty sure this person's suggestion votes are heavily backed up by their twitch audiance since they were streaming for 3 hours prior to making this suggestion while still live for a few more hours, so they probably mentioned it on stream

[vast geyser]

Well if you say they are closer then there is a difference. Closer = louder. They should be moved away to the proper distance then..

[lethal oyster]

Oh God all the complaining about MMR in the feedback channel. Can't stand it, it's so pathetic.

[steady prism]

Why is everyone suggesting stuff that adds ammo... in all honesty... in how many games had you managed to run out of ammo (in PvP combat... not when firing on creeps on your way to extract with all bounties)?

I have seen it few times with my bornheim match and officer carbine... but NEVER managed to run out of rounds in lebel or mosin... hell I cant even fire those 10 rounds in lebel

why would anyone need MORE ammo than this?

[dull mason]

Inactive long-distance playstyle can result in running out of ammo with bolt action long ammo rifles. But to me this is just more reason to NOT increase ammo/ammo refills.

[open carbon]

I disregard the ones whining about the ammo nerfs, as they're exactly the group of players those measures were taken against

[steady prism]

agreed

[whole tendon]

@silk radish in regards to #feedback message, a current gen version is planned and will be coming. The CryEngine upgrade just has to happen first.

!plans

[marsh garden]

Some of the plans for the future of Hunt with references:

Servers are the number one priority to address in 2023 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=756
New map is in the works, will be a new biome - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2439
New boss this summer, a wild target outside of compounds - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1285
Update to Cryengine 5.11, DX12 and current gen console support - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2292
New modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2506

[open carbon]

#game-ideas message @final lion I'd suggest a different solution.. I'd like it to be like in the last event, where you need to have pledge marks for the trait to take effect

As for the other burn traits.. Yeah burn traits need to be fixed

[final lion]

pass, its way too easy to get the one mark before dying to make it useful. and im so tired of facing maxxed out trios. id recommend it to be one time use so a single hunter can have a second chance. or make it work as it seems they intended it. but at this point i feel like theyre intentionally leaving it fucking brroke. and im over it. i dont even want to play this stupid event anymore.

[open carbon]

Although with Death Cheat I can't see the problem of letting everyone have fun for a while not losing their 50s

[open carbon]

Yeah but what's wrong about playing maxxed out hunters? It's not like you couldn't do the same, you make it sound like it's a disadvantage to you

[brisk timber]

Because some things straight up dont work well
like everyone sporting salveskin or bloodless completely screws those special ammos

[open carbon]

Yeah it's not the best argument.. But still.. I can't understand the resentment

[brisk timber]

(well atleast people know now how we poison enjoyers feel >:| )

[open carbon]

True that

I myself though neither have Salveskin or Bloodless on my only hunter xD

Not even Relentless

You just find so many upgrade points in the matches from envelopes and retaliation, there's always enough to completely respec and buy back lost chunks

[hardy coral]

There's really nothing gamebreaking about deathcheat since everyone is on an even playing field. Just means that poison, fire, bleed and explosive ammo is less effective than usual because people will have the counter traits more commonly.

[open carbon]

ALSO

Here's a big pro

[hardy coral]

Game would be less interesting if it didn't work tbh since you'd have people playing mutliple matches and extracting just to get the death cheat.

[open carbon]

People finally dare doing stuff

Playing aggressively

Try out new playstyles

The chaos that's caused by everyone being less careful is glorious

Less careful.. Or as others would probably say, less cowardly

[open carbon]

Not sure if I understood that correctly.. Did you mean it'd be less interesting bc there'd always be a percentage of players in matches that just avoid everything until they got the trait?

The "if it didn't work" confuses me 🙈

Because it doesn't work, technically

[brisk timber]

While im a fan of DeathCheat aswell having it all the time isnt gamebreaking but not fun

It eliminates a important function of the core gameplay

Right now it isnt that dramatic because its going to be removed anyway in some weeks so yea

I would like to see it added to the regular game but earned by banish a boss or extracting a bounty
this case right now just doesnt help it make people think its cool tho 😄

[keen oak]

Man you people will complain about everything

Death cheat is fine

And it's temporary

For now anyway

[open carbon]

I'm a people and I find that offensive

[hardy coral]

I just want death cheat removed instead of having it around in it's intended form.

[flat sandal]

I was wondering when ppl will talk about it. Bit of an elephant in the room. Am still, since last time for a form of death cheat/increased longevity. I feel like we are being felt out atm^^

[pure goblet]

if it actually burned, I think it would be fine. with the bugged version, going up against constant lvl 50's with fanning and necro can be tedious.

[flat sandal]

Got a sneaky suspicion the we gat a "hot fix" in month 2

fanning? is fun but not particularly strong, at least not if you mean the chain pistol spam. Kind of a noobs way of getting kills.

this amount of traits should actually be baseline imo with adding more synergies to open up another level of gameplay that is currently largely missing.

[dull mason]

Fanning with normal Caldwell conversion is very very strong, Chain pistol has much more rng to it

[little carbon]

It's actually the opposite. If you play the problematic long range sniping stalemate kind of playstyle then you will never run out of ammo. At least not if you are in a somewhat higher ELO with decent aim. It's actually the more active fights with two teams that are fighting in compound range and rapidly peek, the kind of playstyle where you don't just wait for the perfect safe shot to come around, where you will run out of ammo. Especially once you are in ELO's where people actually know how to peek and don't just stick around for a whole second or longer in a peek.

Too much ammo scarcity will always reinforce camping because people are afraid to waste precious ammo. Not saying it should be too abundant but the right balance is needed.

There is also just the basic math. With current ammo supply long is apparently 4.2 times more powerful than compact, which just isn't in line with reality. However crytek actually already has a "fix" for the ammo situation in gunrunner. 4/8/10 in resupply create a much more balanced 1x/2x/2.5x power distribution which is most likely closer to reality.

In the end the topic is a lot more nuanced than people make it out to be

[dull mason]

I hard disagree. In my experience at high elo players won't be hitting headshots 150m+ regularly unless you are running in a straight line or standing still (which you generally don't in high elo). Even if they do manage to hit you front that far a second shot becomes 10x harder to hit now that the player is moving sporadically, and, unless they are in the middle of a field, they can generally reach cover pretty quickly. Of course this all changes if you are sniping as a trio/duo where you can time a double body shot before they have a chance to react.

In compounds, on the other hand, shots are easier to hit, do more damage, and can wallbang via sound. The biggest factor of compound fighting is obviously that they have map generated ammo boxes with easy access.

[vestal cedar]

How nice to see that pre-made groups are still teaming up.

[unborn dagger]

Yea agreed and especially when we have to deal with it for two months

[flat sandal]

I just don'T get it. Isn't having more options a good thing?

It's basically about how much fear of dying should be in the game and how many traits on average. I would go for some fear of dying and a good amount of traits in order to have builds. that probably means loosing traits or having negative upgrade points so you have to sell traits for health bars or something like that when not extracting

burn traits are actually also a good idea imo

I just randomly realise that I want a trait that lets me shoot in dark sight

[queen jungle]

Can't be afraid of dying if you die every match

[unborn dagger]

Burn traits are definitely one of the best things they could add but one of them isn't working properly

[flat sandal]

jez, 5* lobbies though

[flat sandal]

I guess but then you won't play hunt for very long^^

[queen jungle]

Six years and counting

[flat sandal]

whats your KD?

[queen jungle]

~1.1

[flat sandal]

players with a 0.6 or so KD with a very long playtime are an absolut mystery to me but they do exist, quite a few of them it seems

1.1 is still in the fun area I guess

[queen jungle]

Well, for every kill someone with a KD above 1 gets, somebody else needs to die

The average of all Hunt players will always be 1

[flat sandal]

that seems reasonable but also doesn't sound right 😄

wait but pretty much erveryone 4* and above is above 1.2 or so

how does that actually work?

are we all dipping into three stars farming on accident?

this is actually an interesting thought you came up with there. what am I not getting here?

[analog willow]

KD is misleading. The matchmaking system is trying to match you with players of similar skill. A one star can have a positive KD, and a 5 star a negative one, depending on who they are playing with. If the 5 star plays with 6 star friends, they’ll have a negative KD. Similarly, a two star with one star friends will have a positive KD because they are consistently facing players players who are worse them.

[dull mason]

Your KDA also factors in assists, so a 1.2 KDA likely has an actual negative KD (unless they have only ever played solo in which case they are likely a masochist).

[brisk timber]

#feedback message
@queen jungle
Thats actually a good change tho.
Or would you rather find 18 gator traps again?
And it even lets you do the weekly at the same time so you dont have to do double the amount of quests.
For anyone who does the weekly anyway that event is a net gain only without extra work.

But yea i dont like the quest so much aswell. Atleast for a weekly grind they are annoying.

But for an event i cant think of a better progression system 🤔

[queen jungle]

18 Gator traps with FIXED spawns and with the ability to be taken by anyone are about 4-5 matches. Those were good to be done while playing. They are better than "deal dmg with incendiary dmg" and stuff, you know?
I'd rather do 32 gator traps, with the option to skip that particular quest than rely on RNG and let RNG dictate my playstyle.

[brisk timber]

Like i said before im not a big fan of those quest aswell
Here is what i wrote in some reddit post

Quest like "gather 3 clues" are fine because they come naturally. "Deal damage to Hunters" is on the good side aswell even tho rather success dependand.

Quests like... "Kill 4 hives with fire" "Find 18 gator traps" or "Deal damage with X weapon" are stupid because they are contradictive or cut into the players free decision making for a successful match. Or outright steal time for nonsense.```
BUT
If i do the weekly *anyway* than thats a very big upside nearly negating any argument because its so convenient.

Having to do the weekly AND finding 18 gator traps would be a chore compared.

[worthy knoll]

You mean me? Its easy:

1. I have a Lot of deaths from the time when I started and its almost Impossible to Balance that Out.

2. I dont want to better myself, i want to have fun with the Boys. Thus i do Not Care about kda

[brisk timber]

I think a 30-Day KDA would be neat

But people would probably stress themselfes even more about it then

[lone robin]

so there are two factors to this. 1, until recently assists were WAY harder to get. so those of us who were already in a big debt are slowly climbing back out. 2, my friends that play are 5-6 star players... I'm about a 3-4. So when I get in matches with them I get murdered a LOT, lol. Now with the new assist factor, I'm still coming out of debt overall, but my skill level is way below what the people I play against are unless I run solos

[untold silo]

Where you getting infinite revives from? every time you revive, you get 1 less chunck of health. thats a pretty big downside to reviving.

[worthy knoll]

In that Case i would be curious If my kda would have been improved but nothing more.

[trail carbon]

Well if you have the trait that keeps you from losing a bar, you can have infinite self res. The trait is supposed to be single use, but due to the bug, it currently doesn't go away

You can also always revive yourself if you have the bounty

[untold silo]

ok thats obviously a bug then and they know that. reviving at 50 health isnt amazing. sure it can come in handy, but you will always be at a one shot from nearly everything. I think were over estimating Self Revive here. Personaly i think its already pretty balanced, Necro could cost a few more trait points now, but other than that it feels fine. Just play smarter and dont let dead bodies go unguarded if you hang out in the area.

[trail carbon]

I just wish solos made a noise when they left the match, so I don't have to keep watching them

[untold silo]

well thats just part of the fun! just outplay them. pretend to sprint away and watch their body from a distance. wait a bit longer. place traps. burn the body. you have a plethra of tools available to you.

[trail carbon]

It's not fun to sit in one spot for half the match because I can't find fire, or they have salveskin, or whatever

I play solo often by the way

[untold silo]

then dont sit in the same spot all match.

[trail carbon]

Ok, but I can't just let them come back and kill me either, thus the conundrum

[hoary widget]

#game-ideas message @upbeat slate
First off, I love this revolver historically so i'm all for this. I've wanted a middleground revolver that's more approachable price wise to be used in pistol only loadouts (I figured the uppermat was this, but 440 HD is way too much for it to be used for medium builds)

If you ask me the Remington should be the middleground between the sparks pistol and uppercut/uppermat. I think the stats should be somewhere in these general numbers:
Effective Range: 99 meters
Muzzle Velocity: 300 ms
Price: 180 Hunt Dollars

It should fire slightly faster than the uppercut, and have similar kickback etc. The sway could be worse etc. I'm mostly brainstorming here.

[untold silo]

Ok so what do you want? do you want solo revive to not be in the game? do you want it to be completely useless by giving the other players an indicator that they can revive? because you already revive at a disadvantage. not really sure what more they can do to it without it becoming too niche.

[trail carbon]

No, I literally want it to make a sound when they leave the match

That's all I want

Like it did when they first tried solo revive

[untold silo]

so you dont want to sit and watch a corpse but you are willing to wait for a notification?

[trail carbon]

It makes the wait shorter

[untold silo]

does it?? ive seen some pretty patient people using necro

[trail carbon]

Because if I sit there for 3 minutes and they leave, I can go if it makes a sound

If it doesn't make a sound when they leave, I may still be sitting there long after they are gone

And I don't usually have teammates to go look for a lantern or anything

[untold silo]

I think a notication would nerf it too much honestly.

[trail carbon]

How would it nerf it at all

They have already lost, and left the match

[brisk timber]

true tho

well but on the other hand

now you dont know if they left

so if you dont find lantern and leave because you think they are gone

If you had indication you would just not leave like never

[trail carbon]

If I don't know whether or not they've left, I have to assume that they haven't

[brisk timber]

exactly

[untold silo]

having a necro in your back pocket for sneaky plays is part of the fun. if someone doesnt leave immedaitly after dying you now know they have necro and you WILL camp the body. so its a lose-lose for the guy with necro

[trail carbon]

I already don't leave until they're burned out completely, because I'm tired of being shot in the back by people I've already killed

[brisk timber]

In those cases i tend to say "Whatever holds true for teams holds true for solos"
Theres no indication for teams so there shouldnt be one for solos

[trail carbon]

There should be indication for teams as well then, fuck it

[untold silo]

so for people without necro, should there be an indicator for them as well when they leave? why would i stay in the game if i dont have necro?

[trail carbon]

I am very biased about this to be fair, I really dint like solo revive in the first place, the only reason I'm okay with it is because this game has abysmal trades.

[brisk timber]

Im no fan of current iteration of solo revive (even as a solo main myselfe) aswell

The revive spam is just too much

[trail carbon]

I think, if you kill a guy, and he didn't kill you, you deserve to kill him

Now if you trade, that's a problem, but solo revive is kind of a bandaid solution to the trading problem

[brisk timber]

Well but the playerbase wanted something to level the playingground for solos
playing 1vs3 or 1vs2 already is harder

[trail carbon]

Yeah, but that was the point of playing solo to me, it was a challenge

[brisk timber]

I think self revive is good but its too ...yea too obnoxious and too time consuming

[brisk timber]

i see
For me it is because i sometimes just cant deal with random people

I dont want a challenge tho

[trail carbon]

Now, you get put in with lower MMR people, you have these trait advantages, I dunno, solo just doesn't feel very challenging anymore.

[untold silo]

id be ok with Necro Self Revive making more noise to avoid those sitautions where you get shot in the back.

[trail carbon]

It doesn't feel good to me when I kill a 4 star trio in seconds because they have 1,000 less hours than me, and even if one of them does kill me, I can just come back and finish them off

I think Necro should make noise regardless of solo or teams

[brisk timber]

Yea dont know, does team necro do noise or have indicator? nah

So why should solo

[trail carbon]

I think they both should

[brisk timber]

sure than its fair i wouldnt mind

[trail carbon]

Kinda silly that a ranged revive makes zero sound

Besides the healing sound upon the actual revival of course

[brisk timber]

Im no fan of it aswell. Way to overused especially right now with all hunters lvl50

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I'm annoyed they brought death cheat back

But overall, I've been really negative in this chat, but hunt is at its most fun since the scrapbeak event I think

So, the fact that I'm complaining about Necro of all things again is a good thing

Thank god I don't have to deal with 100% long ammo lobbies right now

[untold silo]

i think necro is fine still. i think it will be less rampant when they EVENTUALLY fix death cheat

[trail carbon]

It's so nice, finally beginning to step away from the long ammo meta

[trail carbon]

"Soon"™

[untold silo]

with death cheat being buged, everyones running a max level hunter. so im taking any imbalanced traits with a grain of salt right now.

[trail carbon]

I hope they never bring death cheat back again

[untold silo]

why? if it worked how it was intended, it would be fine.

[trail carbon]

I feel it removes too much of the risk of hunt

If I die, my hunter should go away

Otherwise, I don't risk anything

[untold silo]

i mean other than a 800 hunt buck loadout....

[trail carbon]

And that's, like, the whole point

[untold silo]

now if you kept everything that would be op

[trail carbon]

Why are you taking 800$ loadouts

[untold silo]

because i want to use the guns i unlocked?

[trail carbon]

I guess, but what are you taking?

Even if I take a mosin, + a pax and my normal tools and consumables is only 650ish

[untold silo]

what you mean what am i talking about? if i wanna bring a nitro express or a dolche, of course its going to cost money!

[trail carbon]

Well yeah, but are you taking that every match?

[untold silo]

what?

[trail carbon]

Do you run hyper expensive loadouts every match? I'm just curious as to your playstyle

[untold silo]

im not? but like if i take an expensive loadout, even with death cheat, i sstill lose stuff.

[trail carbon]

Well yeah, sorry, I got sidetracked because I wanted to know what loadouts you were taking

Anyways, how do you feel about the long ammo nerf

[untold silo]

oh a variety. but lets keep this chat on discussion about feedback. dont wanna annoy the mods. long ammo nerf is great though.

[trail carbon]

What were we talking about originally?

I have forgotten

[untold silo]

Self revive lol

[trail carbon]

Oh right

Sorry, I'm just a tad ADD

Anyways, to cap off the self revive discussion, I think it's mostly fine, although I wish it was implemented in a more engaging way

Anyways, I must be going now, see you in the bayou

[umbral garden]

I agree that flares need a buff but making something that easy to obtain (and in large numbers) THAT powerful is a little too strong, maybe light the body but not forever, could be just long enough to burn through one small core or something

[warm fractal]

@winter oyster Was writing some lore for an idea like this hahaha

[rotund obsidian]

the only buff i'd need for fusees/flaregun is making it the very last thing looted from toolboxes. if i always got consumables/medkits first i'd actually run them a lot more but as it is right now, it's a liability to ever use them since it'll eat my toolbox uses

[worthy knoll]

it wont happen, no word so far so this will be glorious until the event ends

[keen oak]

I've never said anything about them being infinite. Only that there should be a limit for self res

[wind stream]

@midnight raptor against hives try slashing attacks. 4 light knife attacks kill the swarm too

hellhounds die to one shot, but you have to headshot them

and the entire point of AI is to bring variance to fights, outside of PvP fights they are already trivial to deal with

I would not like to see them changed

[unborn dagger]

I don't know man sounds like you're lacking situational awareness. Pve is a big part of this game. Both as sound traps and being dangerous.

If you are having that much of an issue with pve bring in poison ammo.

[keen oak]

Well it's good to clear AI on the way and for the potential escape/rotate route before starting a gunfight

Or at least keep it in mind it will need clearing or that it may aggro

It's a PvPvE shooter afterall

[tired barn]

@inner forge what about the price?

[little carbon]

You can hear the aggro and sprint at you pretty loudly tho. At that point if you aren't comfortable to melee them just shoot them.

[open carbon]

#game-ideas message @astral ferry I'd also add to that... Naming and shaming cheaters should be the norm. Not just giving feedback about them being banned, but also to make their friends aware. They deserve to be ostracised from their groups. Crytek should make a habit of publicising lists of steam accounts that were banned for cheating. BSG does it via simple excel sheets, that's not hard to do

[little carbon]

Well there is this small issue called the law.

And even Crytek with all data they have available will wrongly ban people from time to time, that's just statistics. So it can lead to the persecution of Innocents

And anyone banned for minor infringements has a right to play with a clean slate again after their ban period is over

[queen jungle]

@astral ferry There used to be a list on Steam showing regular updates on how many people were banned, but it was discontinued. Here's an older (but still valid) statement by our Senior Community Manager on the topic: #hunt-general message

[open carbon]

The law also doesn't prevent Steam from showing VAC bans on profiles. It'd be the same, just not on their steam profiles, but on a list.

[ionic glen]

For the life of me I can't imagine why someone would down vote my suggestion to bring back leader boards in the form of friends only.

[little jackal]

they must not have any friends

[little carbon]

Different Laws. Steam isnt a company operation from germany, crytek is. Also note that there is a legal difference in terms of requirements towards companies between operating in a country and operating from a country.

And then there is also the fact that just because someone or some company is doing something, that that action is completely fine. Especially larger companies tend to do things that arent fully lawful because its more efficient for them to sometimes pay a settlement than to fully abide by the law

[ionic glen]

Or they've got the lowest KD on their friends list

[ionic glen]

And you know for a fact that, as Crytek is operated from Germany, it is against the law for them to release data on which Steam profiles that they banned?

[little carbon]

As a side note, there is just no need for the user to get this detailed information on bans. Monthly numbers would suffice, but they were removed because no one cared for them.

Another issue would be that a lot of people would complain if they wouldnt see most of the people they reported on the ban lists. Especially considering how quickly people tend to accuse others of cheating in Hunt. Most of the cheater posts here or on reddit tend to be explainable quite easily.

[little carbon]

Knowing for a fact is generally a statement i would avoid when looking at the law, especially as i am no legal expert. I am however quite confident in saying that it definitely isnt a case of the law allowing them to do it

And that it is most likely even against the law if they did it

You would most likely have a decently strong base for a defamation claim if they released your name if you were falsely banned

And again, unless its 100% risk free, why release that data. There is virtually no use in users knowing who exactly is banned

[ionic glen]

Unless Germany is way different than the US, you have to prove damages for a defamation case...

[open carbon]

It's not Defamation if it's true

[ionic glen]

He's talking about false bans

[open carbon]

Hmm ok

But it's also not defamation if someone was wrongly convicted though, I think

[ionic glen]

Unless someone is a big enough streamer to make money from playing Hunt, I don't see any defamation cases actually making it to court.

[little carbon]

German law works different than US law, yes. As to the details i would need to ask a legal advisor myself

[ionic glen]

Okay so you don't know.

[open carbon]

Or every murderer could just claim it's defamation to call them a murderer because they might have been wrongly convicted

[little carbon]

They would probably settle outside of court. But even that is money Crytek can avoid spending by just not releasing that data

[ionic glen]

I'd drop the legal arguments entirely if I were you.

[open carbon]

I'd apply the same to potential false bans, but yeah, a legal argument without anything to back it up is moot

[astral ferry]

Thanks, that explains a lot!

[little carbon]

Well, if you are wrongly convicted and it gets proven you will get reperations for the damages that your wrongful conviction have done to you

[ionic glen]

Now, why would anyone be opposed to bringing back leaderboards, but keeping them friend only?

[open carbon]

Do you get to sue anyone, who didn't know any better, for defamation, though? Doubt it ^^

[normal horizon]

Sharing online usernames can fall under a GDPR violation in Europe

[ionic glen]

Is anybody a lawyer (or even a paralegal) here?

[open carbon]

I wanna ask an actual lawyer about this too ^^

[open carbon]

So there are exceptions :D

[normal horizon]

exceptions to what

[little carbon]

Why would i? I have enough knowledge about the basics of how data protection laws applies to digital data as i need that knowledge in my day to day work. I dont need to know how exactly a court case would resolve, thats when i ask a legal advisor

[open carbon]

Exceptions to "sharing usernames being a GDPR violation"

[ionic glen]

That's odd since usernames are public. We select them to present to the public.

[normal horizon]

I get that, but in what sense

what exceptions

[open carbon]

For example, cheaters

[little carbon]

I think he is refering to you saying "can"

[normal horizon]

why would that be an exception

[open carbon]

I don't know, it was a suggestion for a possible exception. Other exceptions could be murderers for example, since I had those as an example earlier too

That's what I'd like to know from a lawyer

[normal horizon]

I dont know why they would be exempt

everyone has a right to privacy

[little carbon]

Especially as cheating isnt even a criminal offense. Its a breach of contract, which would be a civil case

[open carbon]

Everyone has a right to live. So murderers took away that right for someone, their rights to such things should also not matter

[normal horizon]

I am not going to discuss opinions

[open carbon]

True

[little carbon]

That would be revenge and not justice

[normal horizon]

GDPR is very strict and online identifiers such as nicknames online can fall under GDPR laws

[ionic glen]

Because you state, without caveat, that it would be against the law in Germany. Then when questioned you weren't sure. Then you make a claim that a false ban would be a strong case for a defamation case, but don't know if damages need to be proven for a valid case in Germany. It's just clear you're not a legal expert, so you shouldn't be saying these things with certainty. Instead of "there is this small issue called the law", you could have said "that might be against the law", but you presented with certainty.

[open carbon]

I thought more in the hands of an executive, not the victim, but yeah that whole topic is straying too far 😅

Picking murder as a comparison was a bad idea 🙈

[queen jungle]

Hi

[ionic glen]

Hey

[little carbon]

I do know for a fact that it isnt possible to legally-safely share user data in the context discussed here as i have consulted a legal advisor on that question in matters unrelated to Hunt. However as i have stated any explanation on why that is the case that i give is to be taken with a grain of salt because its based on what i remember getting explained and my own basic knowledge of the law.

As for the defamation case, i do know something can be defamation (and stopped) without there being damages. The damages matter for the amount of reparations. But for how exactly proving damage in Germany compares to the US i would need to consider a legal advisor

But in the end i am just putting explanations out here for why they arent doing what is suggested. I would, as with any other matter, always recommend reading up on the required knowledge yourself

[ionic glen]

No thanks, I'll just refrain from stating legal matters with certainty because I am not an expert.

[open carbon]

In German law, there's even a distinction between whether a statement is an actual "lie" or just "not proven to be true"

Presenting it as a fact because I just pulled that straigt from the StGB which is our criminal law. For anyone who wants to check it for themselves, it's §186 and §187 in the StGB

[little carbon]

And both of those have consequence and are a crime

Intentionally lying just makes it worse for the perpetrator

[open carbon]

Yeah and I'm actually asking a lawyer now to tell me if GDPR actually prevents the publishing of cheater names, and if it makes a difference if it's a list of "banned offenders" or "banned potential offenders" or anything

[tranquil hill]

But the steam nickname dont identify a Person. 100000000 others persons can have the same name, profile picture and so on.

[open carbon]

That too

[little carbon]

You should ask whether its prohibited, fully allowed or something in between. Because even if it isnt directly prohibited, as long as it isnt fully allowed, there is virtually no reason for Crytek to release the name as that information is kind of irrelevant for the average user

[tranquil hill]

The only Thing that really identifies a Person is the steam frienda Code number and this number is not visible.

[open carbon]

Yep, doing just that

[light badge]

idk why anyone is asking for specific names of banned players to be released anyways

but a "someone you reported has had action taken" would go a long way and also not be releasing any personal information

[little carbon]

That can lead to identification if you only have one person reported

[open carbon]

To ostracise them. To make their potentially oblivious friends aware of their depravity

[ionic glen]

What if they allowed cheaters to still play, but they weren't allowed to use weapons or equipment and their hunter had to wear a dunce cap that would stick out through tall grass? That's the 200 IQ solution we need.

[open carbon]

How would you feel if you'd been unknowingly playing with a cheater in your friend group? How would you feel about never being told?

[light badge]

Then only show it if the person has reported more than one person

[ionic glen]

To be fair, if it happened in the past it's not a big deal, and they won't be able to play with you going forward anyway.

[astral ferry]

must be a bummer for the unfortunates in his trio

[little carbon]

But the question remains. Why do you need to know that one of your reports got someone banned. Wouldnt it be enough to know x people have been banned this month

[ionic glen]

Their trio would see them in the lobby before they readied up 😛

[light badge]

It helps show that your feedback is listened to, it provides positive reinforcement if you're actually accurate in reporting people that were cheating

[open carbon]

Only if the bans are permanent and irreversible. But also, there might be other games that cheater hasn't been banned from yet but might also be cheating. Also I'd not want a cheater in my friend group, period. Impossible to say where else in life they cheat and when it's time for you to take the fall for them, because someone always does, if those people aren't punished severly enough

[ionic glen]

Because people get discouraged by cheating and want to know that their voice is being heard. Sure, they may see that bans are happening, but on a human level it's important for some to know if the person that they believe cheated against them was banned.

[little carbon]

I mean yes, but realistically you most likely arent going to see a cheater more than once a month even if you are playing regularly. And i believe that to be quite a high estimate towards the number of cheaters.

[ionic glen]

A lot of people tend to generalize their experiences to everyone else. They could hear Hunt has a cheating problem 100 times, but only care if they get cheated against. Then that person can run and tell the internet they quit Hunt because cheating is rampant.

[ionic glen]

Logically, yeah. But the cheater that affected them is more real to them than the other potential cheaters out in the playerbase.

I've had friends that get one suspect kill and it puts them off from a game.

[little carbon]

And it might have the adverse effect. People tend to call cheats a lot in Hunt. If they then dont get the banned effect they might get affected by that.

[light badge]

I'm mildly skeptical it's that infrequent at high ranks. maybe at low ranks

[ionic glen]

Actually it didn't take many super suspicious kills for me to quit Tarkov. The game is too frustrating for me to play when I've experienced BS firsthand.

[open carbon]

EFT is a different breed of horse man xD There's many more reasons to quit, or move to play SPT, than cheaters ^^

[ionic glen]

SPT?

[open carbon]

Single Player Tarkov

[ionic glen]

Oh

[open carbon]

It's a mod

And it's more polished than the original game

[little carbon]

I have been playing high ELO for well above 2k hours now. So far i have seen 2 very obvious cheaters and 3 cases that i would personally call cheating on. Any other cases are more of report, let Crytek look into the data, move on.

[little carbon]

Its missing multiplayer tho. If you could coop SPT it would literally be better than Tarkov (Also considering that it basically would be what the Tarkov team actually wanted to make before they decided to make Tarkov)

[open carbon]

They're denying it on their own site for obvious reasons, but coop in SPT is possible

[little carbon]

Thats understandable, especially considering that a loss is much more impactful in Tarkov.

[little carbon]

If you wouldnt mind, could you send me how. Privately, cause i think that that might be a bit much off topic for this channel

[open carbon]

Sure

[light badge]

I've seen more than 2 infinite ammo cheaters in less than 500 hours of watching streamers, nvm any of my own games lmao

[little carbon]

Wasnt that an exploit a short while ago?

[light badge]

and that's just the most obvious cheating

[ionic glen]

@lone aurora the reason they have solo specific trait buffs is to balance it out. Team trait buffs would run counter to that.

[open carbon]

Also, Necromancer exists

As does Remedy

For now

[light badge]

I mean, if so it's popped up repeatedly over the 3ish years i've followed hunt

[little carbon]

are you 100% sure it was infinite and not a lot of ammo boxes?

[light badge]

yes

it's particularly apparent when they keep shooting for about a minute straight

[little carbon]

I mean thats fair.

[light badge]

Like, I'll happily admit cheating seems not nearly bad in hunt compared to other shooters that I've played. But it's definitely worse than 2 cheaters in 2k hours ime

[open carbon]

How do I have to think of "infinite ammo"? Is it no reload, or is it just infinite spare ammo? Haven't encountered anything like this before, mosts of my "sus" deaths are more likely due to ESP or aimbot and one that seemed to be speedhacking very subtly but what do these inf ammo cheats look like?

[little carbon]

Again, 2 that were plain obvious, 3 that i would bet money on, and then a few that could be explained so i just report them and let someone with more data look into them.

[hardy coral]

Only reason you'd cheat for infinite ammo is avto really.

And if you're cheating why not actually cheat? You don't need many bullets if you have walls/aim.

[open carbon]

You speaking from personal experience? :P

[light badge]

the ones that were super obvious didn't need to reload (which is what made them really obvious). I've seen some sus they just seemed to have infinite spare ammo, but with ammo boxes existing I'm much more hesitant to immediately call that out if not directly spectating them the whole time

[ionic glen]

What? Why wouldn't a cheater want infinite ammo on all their guns?

How about the Nitro with it's really low ammo supply?

[light badge]

I'd be guessing that some people don't find aimbot/wallhackbanging fun, but still want an unfair advantage?

[open carbon]

Hmmm besides the avto I still can imagine a lot of active reloading might look like htat

[hardy coral]

I have not seen an ammo cheater, I've seen a few obvious wallers and even less aimbotters.

[light badge]

with fanning/levering you've got a couple more contenders for guns that would very obviously not be reloading and just shooting constantly

[open carbon]

Oh right yeah

I'd love to see a clip of it though, where it's 100% clear they could not keep shooting that long

[light badge]

Looks like there's an old ass clip on reddit of someone with infinite ammo the crossbow

I can dig to see if I can find clips on twitch, but i at least don't have anything saved myself since it wasn't my games or anything lol

[open carbon]

If there's public clips I can google for them, kind of you to offer but you don't have to bother. I wasn't asking for proof if that was what I sounded like

[steady prism]

ngl would like to know that as well... i hadnt tried SPT so far but if you can actually play it in coop i might give it a shot

[brisk timber]

We should just delete avto and nitro

...and introduce the NitroAvtomat!

[steady prism]

they should introduce boss drops imho...

[brisk timber]

Lol? Why?

Cant you afford guns?

[steady prism]

bcs that would be a great solution for avtomat and other shit

[steady prism]

i prestige as soon as i get to lvl 100 and so far i didnt managed to get to less than 4000 bucks

usually i have around 10k

[brisk timber]

Imagine rushing a compound just to get sprayed down by a avto or nitro that just dropped

Nah thanks im good

[steady prism]

i mean... you can get sprayed anyway

lotsa people run these

which is EXACTLY the shit that im talking about

if you remove avto, nitro and etc. from shop... and make them obtainable only from banishing bosses... they would appear much more rarely

[brisk timber]

In my last 50 matches i have maybe seen one nitro and avto

[steady prism]

same

[brisk timber]

Thats not much

[steady prism]

ye but go take a look at the feedback

90% of shit there is "neRF aVToMaT!"

i sit comfortably at 3 stars bcs i dont play that much....

so i dont meet them... but someone has to considering its majority of current outcry...

the thing is... i dont really need those guns to be reduced ig...

i want them to feel more special

[open carbon]

I rarely encounter Nitros or Avtos, probably at the same rate I play them myself, which is like once per prestige or sth

[brisk timber]

Its true tho. Those guns arent very fair
But making them rare doesnt make them more fair
So thats not a good fix just a bandaid

[open carbon]

They're also hard to play

I mean cmon

[steady prism]

exactly

[open carbon]

The Nitro sights

[steady prism]

to me they are VERY fair

[queen jungle]

Sorry, quick question regarding EU servers, what part of European Alphabet is that?

[open carbon]

That's Germanic runes, ofc

Duh

[brisk timber]

Yea i never had a problem with nitro
Avtos were shitty tho
But since the recoil nerf its played way less

[steady prism]

sure they can smacc you hard.. but if you meet an FPS god hes gonna slap your cheeks with single action nagant

[open carbon]

Very much this

Avto also rarely wins against my Slate

[steady prism]

honestly i believe that Hunt is the most balanced game (in terms of gunplay) ive played in a long time

you can score with everything

[open carbon]

Yeah

Everything is viable

That's the beauty

My stance is, if someone claps you with an avto or nitro, they'd have clapped you with everything else too

[steady prism]

my words

but ye... i dont think it would hurt some of these weapons to be dropped out of bosses butt when you kill them

lots of people ignore bounties and boss hunting bcs they sit on 40k+ dollars and dont really care about money

[brisk timber]

What about not dropping them?

Even remove them from dark tribute

Nobody should get them for free

Losing them needs to hurt

[steady prism]

i never actually got avtomat or nitro from tribute

ye i agree

[open carbon]

Could say that about literally any gun in the game

[steady prism]

get them from bosses... the end...

[steady prism]

i mean yes... but it would be cool if every boss had its drop pool

[brisk timber]

I dont mind inexpensive guns scattered around

[open carbon]

But I do agree on more incentives to engage the bounty

[steady prism]

exactly...

[brisk timber]

The amount of uppercuts in towers and lookouts is way too high aswell

[steady prism]

like special perks, guns, consoomables...

scrapbeak could carry special guns...

spider can be dismembered to some kind of wacky poison inflicting melee weapon...

and shit like this

[open carbon]

There's an idea forming in my head for a trait that, very restictingly, allows you to hide from dark sight boost... Like.. You can't move and you can only activate it a certain amount of times per match or sth like that

[brisk timber]

Go play some looter shooter tho

I dont want drops from bossed like that

[steady prism]

meh... i dont like the idea of these limited number of uses perks

[steady prism]

i mean hunt kinda is a looter shooter

[open carbon]

Could be other restrictions than that

[brisk timber]

Not really

[steady prism]

ye i mean not moving is ok imho

[open carbon]

That alone would be too OP though I think

[steady prism]

and ofc being in dark sight

so you are defenseless why you evade the shit...

[open carbon]

Yes that would work

That actually sounds really good

[steady prism]

you would have to time it

[brisk timber]

DarkSight got introduced to give bounty team tool to move out of compound. Now you want a trait to counter that. After that do we get a counter to the counter?

Makes no sense

[steady prism]

ye that true

[open carbon]

Hmmm point taken

Might still be interesting for a future event though

[hardy coral]

Counter traits are BS and shouldn't be in the game.

Only one that should stay is dauntless because it requires you do something which is very risky.

[open carbon]

Alright enough talk. Time to go play the game :D

[azure elm]

Dauntless is life insurance for cheap. I feel naked without it.

[fading moon]

Frag Arrows are too spamable. shouldnt even be in the game, or at least balance this bullsh*tery

[ionic glen]

So why's it a bad idea to bring back leaderboards as friend-only? Looking at the votes, my suggestion wasn't very popular.

[unborn smelt]

There is no way to *bring back * Hunt without RNG Shotguns, fanning, spawns or extracts. Those things always had RNG involved

and were already present from launch

Even back when you could "choose spawns" it was just a choice of two spawns which were still up to RNG

[silk radish]

Xbox series X/Ps5 update anyone know when it’s coming? 👀

I know I know I know the game is optimized for PC

Just curious

[hardy coral]

RNG things have only been nerfed. What I want gone are the remnants of old hunt (even if crytek seems to refuse), as in the counter traits and antidote shot.

[unborn smelt]

and Dualies were already in trailers before hunt ever launched...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH9Gm36sJng

Trailer from 2017

[lone aurora]

@cursive cypress your suggestion reminds me of the joggers in GTA 2 😄 i love it

[hardy coral]

Dualies, fanning and levering are balanced at this point even if they are annoying. Same for avto even before this patch.

[cursive cypress]

thanks mate hope it gets added one day but props not

[wind stream]

@dusky matrix #customer-support has instructions how to reach out

[rotund obsidian]

@midnight raptor stabbing a hive swarm is ineffective, try slashing at it with a knife instead 👍

only takes 2 or 3 swings iirc

[acoustic anchor]

i spawn in another team without my teammate and died instantly, thanks crytek

[flat sandal]

What a fun bug^^

[acoustic anchor]

not really

[obsidian narwhal]

@hybrid forum I love your idea, because the Lebel and Berthier share the exact same bullets and I really want more ammo types for the Lebel too :3

[little estuary]

do i need to say anything to this?

[drowsy raptor]

lmao imagine spawning in 3 diffrent locations couldn´t be me oh wait im one of those 3 dots in the pic

[acoustic anchor]

ah shit

[crystal plume]

@lime tree The hammer can 1 shot hunters in the head with light melee as long as they don't have hornskin

[lime tree]

aiming for the head on that swing arc

noted. That's also another con that hornskin affects it 🙃

[somber jewel]

what does people here think about this #feedback message ?

[crystal plume]

I mean the fact that you were getting more BBs is literally why they had to make a change

People not liking the change is not unexpected, it's the opposite, but it was necessary for them

Obviously everyone prefers getting more free stuff

[somber jewel]

I might have worded it poorly then. The issue is not the ammount of BBs, and just the way we get them

[empty sigil]

nah, its your opinion, but its wrong, the amount of BBs that have been saved and the amount of things you can do without having to spend BBs makes the game more fun, i can slightly tweak a perk for the cost of one trait point, i can rework my health bars, i can reroll recruit hunters for HD that i have hundreds of thousands of, it was needed, i didnt like the fact they removed the weekly extraction reward, because it, like the challenges is just there for a time filler, dont want to pvp and just rat around the map looking for free stuff, do the challenges at the same time, i will agree though, there does need to be some free way to generate BBs, or the challenge amounts upped slightly, bringing back the extraction reward would be a good idea, but otherwise, IMO the changes are worth it, it was a shame they didnt do them till after the event though as anyone with stocks of BBs before the event got to buy the BP outright with earned BBs, all the new players, or part time returning players have to pay, and lets face it, half of those skins are reused from other skins, about the only one that looks unique is the winnie skin, all the rest have had inspriation from DLC and BB skins.

[somber jewel]

You completely ignore the main point of my feedback msg

[empty sigil]

i agree with you, the hammer is pointless compared to the axe, espeically since both are 2 slot, cost the same and you can use dusters to deal with immos jsut as easy

[empty sigil]

which was?

[open carbon]

I believe the point was the collecting of BBs and not the spending of them, right?

[empty sigil]

you not being able to earn BBs through playing?

which you can, just not in the way you want too

which is why i said they should bring back the extraction reward

because then you do get BBs for your performance in the game

[open carbon]

Yeah there's still pouches with BBs and maybe even golden registers

[empty sigil]

that too

[somber jewel]

the point is that being forced to play the game in a way that we don't find fun, just to not miss rewards, is extremely frustrating

[empty sigil]

and im pretty sure the golds are still in?

[somber jewel]

the point is the challenges and questline objectives

[open carbon]

Tbf, the BB accolades never were of any interest to me

[empty sigil]

cry me a river? i got told i shouldnt play the game because i wanted fog maps seperate because i know a lot of people struggle to see in it, me included

[open carbon]

I don't get the point about missing rewards, you playing on FOMO?

[empty sigil]

its not like they are hard, kill a lantern grunt or two, kill this, find clues

hardly taxing

the pvp ones yes, they can be a pain, so what, dont do them you can just grind the pve ones

[somber jewel]

I won't tell you you shouldn't play the game, I won't answer "cry me a river" either. Our points are valid. We are being forced to play the game in an unfun manner

[open carbon]

And the challenges encourage trying different loadouts

[open carbon]

We are not.

[somber jewel]

they are not encouraging, they are forcing

[empty sigil]

its not vaild when there are still ways of making BBs, you asked for feed back on your feedback, here it is

[open carbon]

Nobody forces anyone to complete the challenges

[empty sigil]

tbf i did xD

[somber jewel]

if you don't complete them, you are missing out, which I also mentioned there

[open carbon]

And not anyone even cares about BBs

[crystal plume]

I mean there's definitely things that they can improve about the challenges system

[open carbon]

Missing out on what? They just reset

[empty sigil]

again though the pve ones are not taxing and can be done passively, id agree the amount BBs earned should be upped slightly

[somber jewel]

and this, none of these are a problem, the problem are "do x dmg with x custom ammo/melee"

[empty sigil]

which ive addressed

they suck

[open carbon]

It's not like the challenges go away at some point and you can never ever earn BBs again

[empty sigil]

dont do them?

you can grind the pve ones

[crystal plume]

A choice between 2-3 new challenges when rerolling one instead of it giving a random one with no choice, maybe more than 1 reroll per day or the option to use hunt dollars to reroll them more than once a day

[somber jewel]

this would be nice

[empty sigil]

that would be nice tbf

[open carbon]

That's way more constructive

[somber jewel]

and the challenges are weekly

they are the fastest way to earn event points

[empty sigil]

that also does suck

[somber jewel]

so "don't do them"

if you have limited time to play

is pretty much forfeiting the event rewards

thats my point

as to why we are forced to play a certain way to complete challenges for events (same with questlines challenges) if we don't wanna miss out

[empty sigil]

tbf bro, crytek do have to make some money, some how, i dont agree with a lot of their predatory tactics when it comes to monetization, but they removed a heck of a lot of ways to spend BBs and made all but free, meaning you get to make each hunter to your ideal play style, they have to remove the accolades otherwise thered be no point in putting BP up for BBs

[open carbon]

I do agree as pertaining to the event, but not in general

[somber jewel]

I never bought BBs, not once

but I have 40 out of 44 DLCs, but I stopped buying because I don't feel like playing hunt anymore the moment I'm done with events and questlines, compeltely burnt out

[keen oak]

I honestly dont give a single duck about the challenges. I believe we should spend less time in the menu and more in game and things like the offerings, challenges and whatever else are keeping people away. Among other things ofc

And for that we need to limit the amount of "things to click" in the menu

Instead try to move the challenges to the game in a form of bounty posters

You approach it and there is a challenge

And you can take it or go

It would be 10x better imo

[open carbon]

The challenges themselves don't keep you in the menus though, the respeccing and loadouts do mostly I think

[keen oak]

It piles up

• when it comes to loadouts you can make couple of consumable presets and then just add weapons

[somber jewel]

This sounds engaging and fun, as long as the challenge itself isn't "deal 167924 damage to enemy hunters with your least favorite custom ammo and weapons"

[empty sigil]

tbf bro, again they are hardly difficult, your shooting people anyway

[somber jewel]

It's not about difficulty

[empty sigil]

it clearly is if you cant shoot someone with a different gun for a couple games

[open carbon]

It's about you being inflexible 😜

[keen oak]

I'm thinking more in terms of going back to the basics. Killing x amount of stuff or xyz boss or x amount of hunters

[somber jewel]

no one should be forced to play the game in a way they don't have fun.. I finish the challenges regardless of "difficulty" nonetheless. I just have zero joy during it

[keen oak]

In a more engaging form of an ingame bounty poster

[empty sigil]

so why are fogs maps still a thing? i personally dont like them

they detract from my fun

[keen oak]

Fog looks dope on the OG map

[empty sigil]

i suppose im not forced to play them

[open carbon]

I think part of you not having fun is your perspective of being "forced" while you could just as well look at it as an opportunity to expand your skillset or get a fresh breeze of air into your rut or whatever

[somber jewel]

but they are random.. if you get into a fog map and you extract you lose absolutely nothing. If i dont play with the custom ammos and the weapons the challenges want me to, I miss the rewards from the challenges and the events themselves. Do you see my point now?

[empty sigil]

but if i get them 5 times in a row (has happened) at some point theres only some many time i can load in, run to extract and do that all again

[open carbon]

Losing time is also a thing

[somber jewel]

sorry but I do not get bored as easily as a teenage girl.. I have plenty of loadouts I enjoy and they are diverse enough. I still rather not play loadouts I really dont enjoy

[empty sigil]

point im making is relevance, yes, losing the accolades sucks, i used to make all my BBs from everything combined, but i can understand why crytek did away with them and personally i prefer what they have, but id agree the way they have of making BBs still needs to be slightly buffed

[open carbon]

Is every challenge asking you to play sth you don't like, though?

[somber jewel]

tbf bro, is hardly difficult to do this, you are extracting from a map eventually anyway

[somber jewel]

at leats half of them, yeah

[empty sigil]

if your loadouts are that varied, what challenges are you coming up against that you cant do? since wednesday theres been maybe 3 that i thought "nah duck that one" and rerolled

[empty sigil]

why should i have to?

yor forcing me to do not have fun

[open carbon]

Yeah then I think getting more rerolls would solve most of the problem

[somber jewel]

ok. Can you forget about the BBs for a second? focus on time limited rewards from events and questlines. And factor in (like the other guy said) that people wanna get the most out of their free time

[somber jewel]

do you see my point now? im glad we agree

[empty sigil]

only 2 questlines were timed, you had over a month, what more do you want?

every event is timed, you have 2 months for this one, what more do you want

[somber jewel]

ah yes let me spend an entire month playing the game having zero fun just so I dont miss out on the rewards

[empty sigil]

then dont do it, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU

[somber jewel]

I finished both timed questlines in a week and just stopped playing until next event

[somber jewel]

then dont play it, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU to play fog games

you share an opinion on a very similar issue and still for some reason just choose to dismiss the fact that the way challenges and questlines are atm just detract entirely from enjoying the game

[open carbon]

The point would be the event is going for long enough so you shouldn't have trouble completing it ignoring the challenges just by playing and looting boats etc... 50k points in total, you can calculate the average amount of matches you'd need from there..

[empty sigil]

what are you expecting of crytek, if every event was "kill this many hunters" over and over youd complain the event was boring

[open carbon]

With 50 points per match youd have to play 1000 matches and that in 56 days which would be 17 matches per day

Considering that 50 points are a very low estimate, you'd probably need fewer matches

But I'm just going off of my personal stats here

[unborn dagger]

@deadlyfish That's a bad way of looking at ut. You should not be forced to look at expanding your skillset you should be encouraged. It is a big difference of "Oh I could do this interesting challenge" and "I have to do this challenge"

[somber jewel]

this would take an absurd amount of free time that I don't have.. think about how many points you get in a really good game.. lets say 250 points. It would take 200 really goood games for you to get 50k points. Lets put an average game at 30 minutes.. so thats 200x30 mins so 6000 minutes, 100 hours of hunt in 60 days

[open carbon]

I'd say 20 minutes but doesn't make that much off a diff I guess

[knotty ore]

It is 100% annoying AF to be forced to play loadouts you don't want to by challenges. People have limited amount of time to play, and I might feel like playing a loadout outside of my challenge parameters. "dOnT dO iT tHeN", is a terrible argument because its the only way to progress the battlepass I've paid BBs for, at least at a reasonable pace. I think we need like 6 rerolls banked up for every week of challenges. And the challenges should be about doing something on the map that isn't just, "cOlLeCt gAtOr TrApS". The best quest so far was, "kill 3 meat heads in the center of the map". That was at least fun.

[somber jewel]

assuming a good game where you fight and kill multiple teams

enough for 200+ points

[open carbon]

I'm ending up with about 6h per day 😅

[runic crypt]

For what it's worth I am a law student and I have been exploring German Law for a while out of interest to see what Crytek can and cannot do about such things:

Under Section 186 of Germany's Criminal Code Law, a user that is falsely banned and has their name on a ban list publicized by Crytek for the reasons of "naming and shaming" (honestly even if they don't explicitly say that it is for naming and shaming it's hard to argue that it is for anything otherwise), that user will have a strong basis for a Malicious Gossip claim which, if Crytek is found guilty of, will incur a penalty of imprisonment or a fine.

[empty sigil]

its almost like you expect crytek to just give you the awards for the event, yes, timed events suck if you life commitments, but im sorry, not everyone can be catered for

[open carbon]

So your argument has some merit, but as others keep confirming, the perspective matters

[unborn dagger]

Exactly, it really doesn't help that the xp from playing a regular match is miniscule as hell for a 45 minute match

[knotty ore]

So many restaurants went out of business due to this exact attitude.

[empty sigil]

dont pay the BBs till you ccomplete it then xD

[empty sigil]

dude, you literally cant

[knotty ore]

Then it will take even longer to complete.

[empty sigil]

its impossible for everything to cater you everyone

[dense dome]

You tried leveling without battlepass? My god you're delusional if you think you're finishing the battlepass in two months.

[empty sigil]

my point exactly, you cant cater for everyone

"i cant complete the BP in time without buying the BP"

"i cant complete the BP in time anyway" so why buy the BP

[dense dome]

Battlepass caters to whales

[knotty ore]

You cater to mass appeal and at least anecdotally, most people I play with HATE the way challenges are set up. There is a reason they won't post the poll results they've collected from challenge/quest feedback.

[somber jewel]

yeah so you really think is just 2-3 people who do not enjoy playing the current events/questlines as they are, while the overwhelmingly majority love them and should be catered towards?

[empty sigil]

hahahaha iv got 20 levels in like 5 days, without BP because i refused to pay for it till i complete it, if i can be bothered

[empty sigil]

so far, its only 3 people who HATE the challanges

[somber jewel]

why? because of this conversation? lol

[empty sigil]

not really

[somber jewel]

people who hate it, will simply quit

[knotty ore]

This is gaslighting.

[somber jewel]

and not complain about it

so you dont hear from them

[knotty ore]

Crytek needs to poss feedback results

They've collected the data so lets see what the player base thinkks

[dense dome]

You getting 20 levels in 5 days does nothing for the argument. You could be jobless, playing the game every day.

[empty sigil]

and your expecting a company who can barely keep the servers running to cater to every part time player because of FOMO, get a perspective and stop thinking that you are deserving of everything all the time because youve participated

[open carbon]

You don't understand what gaslighting is. This would just be a lie, if at all. However, it's related to this very conversation and not meant in general..

[knotty ore]

This is such a logical fallacy. You are assuming everyone wants challenges the way they are now based on your bias.

Crytek should post the feedback results

And we can see who is correct

[empty sigil]

no, im saying crytek have given you 4 challges at a time, 2 are pve that you can do as you play, you dont always need X or Y to do them, and then 2 pvp ones that yes can be annoying im not saying they are, but im saying what better option is there

[knotty ore]

I think you don't understand what gaslighting is lol. He is saying that we are crazy by insinuating we are the only ones who dislike how challenges are set up. This is like ... The most common use of gaslighting.

[somber jewel]

This is just also wrong btw

[empty sigil]

not crazy, just dont see anyone else crying about it

[dense dome]

Plenty of people share that opinion.

[knotty ore]

Just because people are unlikely to talk about it, doesn't mean its not a poorly designed system.

[empty sigil]

sure it is

[unborn dagger]

This

[empty sigil]

so whats your grand solution?

[open carbon]

But I don't dislike the challenges, I'd just think you could benefit from more rerolls to solve your issue.. I don't know about poll results, but this conversation feels like it has a strong bias towards liking the challenges the way they are

[empty sigil]

which funnily enough we all agreed with

[open carbon]

That too

[somber jewel]

"kill armored with fire" "kill immolator with poison" "kill immolator with chokes" "kill hives with fire" multiple times paired together so you have to dedicate your loadout in multiple ways just to complete those challenges.. and guess what, you get into a match, you get into a boss lair or into a fight, you finish the game and everyone wants to leave asap while challenges arent complete.. you head into ANOTHER game with the forced loadout you had to bring for challenges and didnt even get to complete them because sorry you were too busy actually playing the game and either pvping or going for the objective

[open carbon]

Everyone wanting to leave ASAP is the problem here

[knotty ore]

Come up with more engaging challenges. Or, give us 6 rerolls banked up for the week to reroll challenges we don't want to do.

[open carbon]

Make it like 10 rerolls a week

[somber jewel]

I could sit here for HOURS giving multiple examples of situations other than that one..

[open carbon]

To be extra generous, can't hurt

[knotty ore]

Choice is never bad, true.

[empty sigil]

again, not everyone can be catered for, id agree the challenges need to have more rerolls, or shouldnt specify a weapon/ammo variant, but otherwise they are still not hard to do

[somber jewel]

this

[somber jewel]

was to prove this is wrong

because you DO need X or Y to do them

[knotty ore]

Stop saying, "not everyone can be catered for" like there is just an insignificant amount of the population that feels MEH about the challenges. This is fucking gaslighting bro, stop it.

[somber jewel]

yeah

the fact that people don't mention it often enough only means they can't be bothered, its much easier to just not play the game

[knotty ore]

"Not everyone can be catered for" is something you say when someone is like, "I want to customize my Hunter's genitals".

Not rework an essential system that is poorly designed.

[little badger]

Great Job Crytek , that buff from that incendiary ammo was not
necessary , now we have a lot spam down people . is not funny anymore that game play .....plz nerf that shit , or Hunt is dying to spam down Kids

[dense dome]

You can design a system that feels rewarding to casual players, but very rewarding to people who have a lot more time on their hands.

[knotty ore]

Not once doing the challenges have I felt rewarded. It feels like a chore.

[dense dome]

I agree with you.

[somber jewel]

And who is Crytek even catering to with current challenges/questline? lol okay sure, if you wanna diversify your hunt portfolio, increase your hunt skills that you are adding to your vast hunt resume, while you apply to the hunt university of over 250 IQ people, why do you need challenges and questlines telling you to use poison burning bleed melee hunting bow machette?

[knotty ore]

@empty sigil In Three Musketeers, four people stood up to the king. You can be our Dartanyan.

[open carbon]

In my case, inspiration 😅 I'm a routine kind of person and get blackouts when I want to do something "different"

But I'm also asking for more variety in the challenges

"Kill boss x way" etc, stuff hunters really wouldn't do otherwise

[somber jewel]

there are plenty of smart, competent and creative people working at crytek and everywhere, come on.. they can come up with something better than "USE THIS WEAPON" "USE THIS CUSTOM AMMO"

[open carbon]

"kill x grunts with an immolator"

[knotty ore]

Best challenge would be, "Use VOIP for 2minutes in proximity with enemy Hunters".

[somber jewel]

i dont mind this honestly

like the other guys said, kill the meathead at x compound was also nice

[open carbon]

Aye, some from the questlines were fun

And I think bomb lance became more popular because of them

"kill hunter with a piano or grammophone playing in the vicinity"

[empty sigil]

tbf bro, i agreed serveral times that the it should be reworked or more reolls added, but some of just seem to think crytek are doing these challenges to be annoying, they are trying to get you to try different things

[somber jewel]

"using your choice of weapon/custom ammo"

[open carbon]

"extract with different weapons than you started with"

[knotty ore]

I think best challenges would be engaging. Like, "Hold a specific sniper tower highlighted on the map for 1min". Maybe somewhere close to the center of map. Can only be done by one team a match and its gone. Rewards you with being able to pick up one tool box that has like 4 hits on it instead of 2.

[open carbon]

That would be interesting at least

[somber jewel]

look at all these creative and not-fun-ruining ideas that you alone are coming with, in the space of 30 mins chatting with bunch of randos

its not that hard

[open carbon]

Never said it was hard :D

Something similar, but like "set your own goals" that can be tracked in-game would also be cool

[knotty ore]

I think another one that would be hilarious, "deactivate 2 windmills" so you gotta climb them shits to turn them off.

Like you can jam them with a shovel up top or something

[somber jewel]

lol

[open carbon]

Yeah there's a lot of ways to expand

That's also very specific :D

[knotty ore]

Everyone avoids those areas because you can get killed very easily and say you get hit, you can't just jump off without dying

At least on a lot of them

That don't have hay bails below or something

Other than being annoyingly loud they don't server a purpose, but they could with some challenges

[open carbon]

They serve the purpose of exposing you to enemies to collect the clue 😈

[knotty ore]

Lol, I just skip those

Its not worth it

[open carbon]

I just use snek

[knotty ore]

Or someone on my team will serpent if they are running it

Yeah

[open carbon]

Conduit needs feeding

[knotty ore]

This is a tangent, but I think if you ever accumulate 20min of stamina, you should be randomly yelling uncontrollably and running like an extra 10% faster.

And your aim should shake a bit for no reason

[open carbon]

The random yelling part 😂 I kinda like it, would run with it

Shaky hands don't matter with a shotgun or blade

The yelling would save me pressing the VOIP key to yell myself

[knotty ore]

I think if you take like 4 stam shots back to back you should just go into cardiac arrest imo.

Dangers of OD in the bayou

[sterile cliff]

Anyone else feel like Hunt has very cluttered main menu UI? Has this ever been brought up before?

[hardy coral]

People have brought it up many times.

But in my opinion I find the menus fine.

Only truly terrible one is the legendary hunter purchase screen.

[open carbon]

I believe they're aware as they're iterating on the layout occasionally. Just doesn't seem to be a priority

It's "good enough"

[hardy coral]

It is other than the legendary screen.

[open carbon]

Ok, conceded ^^

[untold silo]

i think challenges are fine. i dont wanna miss out on the stuff i already paid for by having challenges so ridiciously hard that the casual player wont be able to complete. Challenges right now are fine. they are things that you would probably be doing anyway and are really just there to soft-time gate the event rewards.

[queen jungle]

@finite yarrow Please report bugs in the appropriate channel #bug-reports-pc

[native prawn]

Please ban Reshade. Got wiped by a team, that didnt have any problem hitting every shot in fog. Through foliage. Through fences. No problem at all. They even post it on youtube, playing in a LSD colored swamp where. Shadows removed by config. @hard minnow... can you at least TRY to do something to fix that? The game is unplayable in this state.

[unborn dagger]

"Soft time gate the event rewards" So lets let players bypass that by paying money.

[peak radish]

I've been playing since beta, I've played hunt for 1270 hours, I go to the athlete gym in a T-shirt with the hunt logo), and where is my damn rain on amd?

2 weeks you can't fix it, are you underdeveloped?

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
Hunt is no MMORPG
And im glad
Dont make me do ridiculous quest
Thanks

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
@l.k.5_9966#0
I dont know what to do with this because its so overloaded with many ideas with some i like and some not and it reads more like a general feedback.
Hard to rate at all

[hot vigil]

Modular systems are never good, players will min/max the fun out of it.

Hunt weapon system is (mostly) great as (most) weapons (and variants) comes with upsides and downsides.

[hasty mango]

Trade windows lately have been very bad. Any thoughts on something better than leaving bullets in the game after death? I personally find it is not good for the game, the servers seem to have a rough time during events and trade windows just get worse and worse cause of it.

[knotty ore]

Farmer's markets have smaller trade windows. "Bro, how much for the cherries?". "I donno bro, come back tomorrow".

[flat sandal]

Perhaps mention your region when talking about trade windows and stuff. Maybe we can find out if 7ts a region thing. Im eu and i just dont notice it at all. Pretty much one time something felt of for me and thats it, all other trades i had felt fine. Or can someone explain why they are more.common in hunt? Or can we have a pin with a really decent explanation? Would hate to think that its only salty ppl who drop in here just after trading "super unfairly" 😉

[keen oak]

It happens in EU as well

[flat sandal]

50 cents on the challenges as bored in train 😄 most of the time i feel they are quite annoying and they bother me in the back of my head when playing, sometimes they are fun when i feel like experimenting with loadouts or feel like actively farming them. Something would be missing if they were gone though. However, the gap they would leave could be filled way better with some development time. They really are the cheapest way possible to add some gameplay and quite unimersive as well (which sick, rich person pays hunters for the thought of them running around killing 4 hives with fire or make others bleed? :D). So yeah, something is needed there but not this 😄

[keen oak]

Just make em an ingame thing

It would be 10x better and more immersive

Lets say you have a bounty board on each compound with 2-3 or something bounties which are simplified to kill xyz instead of telling people "get custom ammo or fck all event points" essentially

You can take up to 5 and dont need to extract to make them count to keep players in games

[flat sandal]

I'd say at supply points

But yeah, i think thats better already

[keen oak]

Putting those on supply points might be tricky cause they spawn at random

And sometimes you'd have to run half the map to get a challenge you might have already done

[flat sandal]

Ots just another thing to interact with on supply points

[keen oak]

But I guess there is a case to be made for supply points as well

[flat sandal]

Just for immersion reasons. Who would go out to compounds to fill a billboard? 😄

[keen oak]

I mean at this point we just need less stuff in the menu and more in game

We have challenges, offerings, black market etc etc more than enough

Focus should be switched imo

[keen oak]

I think of it more in a way of bounty boards that you pick up like envelopes except before you take it there is a "close up" to the poster, brief description (sometimes the image will say it all) and the amount of money gained upon completion

Ideally it could be supply points and compounds on the outskirts of the map

Cool animation of ripping the bounty of the nail thats holding it

[flat sandal]

Yeah, all the mechanics are basically there already

Out of game you could exchange it for community goals or something

[keen oak]

Pretty much yeah

[flat sandal]

Like kill 1000 hives to counter the spread(not sure where all the pregnant ladies are coming from). That would also organically change the gameplay as youd have less hives to contend with in that Time

Fun quest would be to kill a certain player in the lobby, though idk^^

[keen oak]

Could even tie those custom ammo challenges i.e. that hunter from Inferno event wants you to "purge the plague with fire" ane you can do it with incendiary ammo as well as lanterns and fire bombs

[flat sandal]

And there a wanted signa everywhere for them to see D

[keen oak]

And best part - if you dont want the bounty you can take a different one

[flat sandal]

Look at us all cooperating 😄

[keen oak]

Shocker

[flat sandal]

Gtg now though

[keen oak]

Same

Cheers

[open carbon]

@tribal meteor I initially downvoted because I read "drop the ping limit" as "remove the ping limit" 🙈

[queen jungle]

The ping limit was introduced due to server-side issues caused by extremely high ping players and the fact that it hasn't been dropped in so long is a good indicator those issues have been resolved.
The limit was never intended to keep players from one side of the globe from playing in the other, as long as they don't exceed the ping limit.

[open carbon]

So the recommendation is to select servers closest to the ping limit to even the playing field, or what?

Ping abuse is still a very real thing

[queen jungle]

It is not.

There is no one-sided advantage to playing with a high ping, but there are plenty of disadvantages.

[open carbon]

Is there a way to prove either?

[wind stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXEmbUkDkgo Here is a video that shows pretty well how ping affects multiplayer shooters

[open carbon]

Alright thanks

Very educating, gonna throw that at everyone talking about it now

[wind stream]

It's a great explanation of an otherwise quite complex thing

we are used to everything happening at the same time since thats how the real world works

but multiplayer gaming has basically a parallel world for every player 😆

[open carbon]

I mean, even working in IT doesn't guarantee an understanding of this

But once you've seen it, it's just.. logical

Ok here's something else I keep hearing complaints about, which is having enemies that have a certain playstyle. Don't want to name any because it's sth else for everyone, but I kind of want a general comeback for these fellows, because it's actually sad seeing them be upset about, or worse, ragequitting bc of it.. I really don't think they're justified in their reactions as every playstyle is valid to me, even though I also support the fight against spamming, like the ammo nerf. I'm just missing the right words to make them, I guess, feel better about it.. Dunno

I guess the most common example would be shotgun boss lair camping / holding angles

[wind stream]

I dont think there is a general comeback for those since its about preferences

those are always subjective

some like camping/ sieging others dont

[open carbon]

True but they're ruining their own fun by being upset about these things

[wind stream]

difficult to establish an objective middle ground on a subjective topic

you can tell them that and maybe they see reason

[open carbon]

Tried and failed xD

But I keep saying it as it's the only real argument I have xD

[wind stream]

when dealing with emotions its usually advisible to acknowledge their feelings instead of trying to argue against their preception with reasoning

we all just sometimes need someone to acknowledge our bad mood

you wont reason someone out of a position that they didnt reason themselves into

[open carbon]

Right, I need to get better at that

Sometimes it makes me feel like a weirdo for being the only one in my group who's having fun no matter what..

[wind stream]

I found that my general mood and stress level has a high impact on how much hunt shenanigans I tolerate

maybe thats the case for your friends too

[open carbon]

Probably

I suck at empathy xD

Thanks for the tips

[visual patio]

anyone knows if reshade is banned in hunt??

[hardy coral]

It isn't.

[tepid hedge]

Is there a console lfg here? Only PC shows up. wtf

[open carbon]

#troubleshooting would be better for this probably

[alpine fractal]

Click on this #looking-for-group-console

[dull mason]

You might not have access to it unless you have one of the console roles

[dusky tapir]

@stuck creek #game-ideas message

Part of me wishes this had been the Uppermat

[azure elm]

@indigo garnet not sure why your idea got so many thumbs down. It makes sense to me. If you can CHOOSE yourself to opt in our out of what teams are allowed why would people say no? It’s just more choices for you to customize your gameplay experience.

@keen oak people seem to LOVE the current state of challenges. I think they’re bland. Especially during events, when I’m trying to grind points, I look forward to these challenge resets each week just to be reminded that they are the dullest challenges I’ve ever done in a video game. I’d rather go fetch weapons in an rpg. I like your idea. They need more depth and better rewards.

[open carbon]

Because it would potentially divide the player base to a degree that even people wanting to play against all team sizes end up only encountering their own team size

[azure elm]

It seems like your idea gives people the choice to opt out or in sooo I don’t see how it would be an issue if you just don’t change anything. But allows those who want that to use it. And if so many people don’t want it then it doesn’t seem like it would be much of a problem.

[ember lintel]

incinerary rounds buff sucks

being set on fire by a silent veterlli is just not fun

if it was dragons breath that got this change, sure

regular incinerary tho is just dumb

[crystal plume]

@gritty plinth

!modes

[marsh garden]

New modes are being considered for 2024, including custom lobbies, more details here - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2506

[keen oak]

100% my man

[queen jungle]

@jaunty parrot You probably have Russia selected as secondary region

[queen jungle]

@slender lava Please send your video to Crytek's #customer-support

[jaunty parrot]

no i dont

its on eu

[queen jungle]

Your primary? What is your secondary region set to?

[jaunty parrot]

dont have one only eu

it says

i have picked

[queen jungle]

Then it wouldn't connect you to RU unless the host of your team has RU selected somehow

[jaunty parrot]

made sure that my friends also had on eu and once i was even partyleader and it says searching for game russian servers

[queen jungle]

Very strange

[jaunty parrot]

yes

[jaunty parrot]

wait now it seems to be fine dont know what caused it but thanks for the help

[shadow prairie]

Shit like this shouldn't happen 😡

Why are we being matched against teams of 6 and five stars while we are 3, 3 and 4?!

Is it so that their servers wouldn't be empty?

Again. Yeah, this time no 6es this time, but most of them are 5s against us 3, 3 and 4.

What's the point in loading us into a server like this?!

So that we would be their toys?

It definitely no fun for us.

we notice this when it's getting late. I assume crytek has made an amazing decision to let everyone in together in order to avoid letting people in into empty servers. Somehow being annihilated by teams of 6-stars is supposed to be more fun than getting an empty server somehow.

Nice.

[shadow prairie]

#feedback message

@tribal meteor @lethal galleon
It would probably be a surprise to you, but most russians have around 35-60 ms latency on EU servers.
Many "europeans" might have higher latencies on europe than us :D
Is this yet another instance of hating russians just for the sake of hating?
Asian players, indeed, have 100+ on all of the other servers.
The thing is there is no way of telling who has what latency just by their country of origin. Players could be playing using their mobile connections which would add hundreds of milliseconds to their latency while being from the same country.
The safest thing would be to lower the allowed latency to 75ish ms and prohibit players from bypassing this restriction by being invited to the party by a player who has okayish ping to a given server.

But then crytek would need to setup a lot more servers geographically

[shadow prairie]

My current latencies for example

[open carbon]

Regarding this ping abuse thing, check the vid in the message I'm replying to here. Ping abuse is a myth

[flat sandal]

Nice ping dude

[shadow prairie]

Well, although, the game does behave in a different way with different enemies :P
Every player I've ever played with felt that differences in ping does whacky-funky shit in hunt

I wouldn't say it's a myth.

I get weird stuff like me being able to hit 2 players properly and 1 player being almost untagable

Shots just wouldn't hit one player but would hit the other two fine

What could cause this if not latency differences? :P

And it's not like that player was moving more than the other two

I can tell when a player is good at dodging shots by moving in a clever way versus the game not letting me hit them

Right now crytek allows players to connect to servers with latencies up to 200ms. Which is just too much for hunt showdown

Even 100ms does weird shit in hunt

And imagine a 100ms player playing against another 100ms player.

I wish crytek would test stuff like this more thoroughly... :(
Imitating gunfights and melee fights with different combinations of allowed latencies somehow.

I bet the devs have never seen shit we see on a daily basis xD

I feel like Crytek only tests stuff out within their local area network or even if they do test stuff on real servers they'd all have pretty much the same latencies due to them being physically located in the same building.

They need to test their net code in a real environment. When some players might have 5-10ms and others having 190ms.
Gunfights differ so much player to player it's insane

I would like to see some videos of such tests. Like, how would 100ms play vs. another 100 ms.

how would a 190 ms play against 100ms

how would all of them play vs. 5-10 ms

how would 50 ms play against 5 ms, how would being 5 ms feel playing against all of those different latencies

I've been playing hunt for 3.4k hours now. I feel all those differences :(

Lots of times my clear headshots wouldn't register.
And many times I "land" headshots on players I shouldn't have landed a headshot on

Like I could be shooting 1 body behind a running target and the game somehow registers a headshot on him

I saw on my screen that I clerarly missed with my flick shot, yet the game kills the poor guy

And that also makes me think like "how many times exactly the same thing could've happened to me or my buddies?"

Sadly for hunt there's no other game with issues like this :(

I love hunt. There's a ton of things to love it for.

But something has to be done about hunt's weird-ass hit reg :<

It ruins an otherwise amazing game so bad 😔

This whole wall of text is so going to get deleted once moderators wake up :D

[brisk timber]

Making assumptions is your thing it seems

[unborn dagger]

@queen jungle no

[shadow prairie]

That, and analyzing my personal observations too :P

[karmic ivy]

On what basis do you claim 200ms is too much for Hunt to handle? You claim to know the game better than its creators? There is a word for that, Hubris I think. Hubris and many assumptions.
You really, actually think crytek would not test their games networking in a real environment? Crazy...
But correct me if I am wrong and you have some hard data that makes you claim that. I think Hunt is designed to handle it, and the fact that they have not changed the ping limit yet suggests they are satisfied with the results.
I am satisfied with the gameplay I get. I don't have the troubles you describe (and I use shadow play to record, I would know)... why do you suppose that is?

[rotund obsidian]

@queen jungle why? ammo changes are good

[flat sandal]

What's really cool is that we can test these things now in the shooting range if we want. Someone should come up with some experiments so we can finally put a nail in it 😄

Idk know what works best. You need players with low and high pings, different regions, practise peaks shots for a good while then record a bunch and analyse.

No more feelings

Hunt also feels different because it is special. What other games with a low fire rate and travel time do we know?

I played an absolut ton of crysis 2, the net code is probably related and hopefully better now 😄 that felt fine too

Oh crysis, absolutely loved the multiplayer but it was murdered by haters 😭

[limber star]

@coral ridge reshade isnt why you died stop coping and figure out what you actually did wrong

if you would just get better at the game then you wouldnt need to complain about nonissues all the time

[frozen crater]

lmao

[limber star]

oh boy here we go

let me guess "but everyone is exploiting!!!!"

[frozen crater]

reshade absolutely needs to be banned because of the exploits it can provide, but I really do hope to see its intended color-grade changes make it into base game settings

i dont think many people think that everyone who uses reshade is exploiting

[limber star]

yea btw nobody uses the exploits

yes all the 4* players in here do

thats why they are mad about it

they think every good player they fight is using exploits but they arent

[frozen crater]

not saying many people do. at least 1 uses them lol

[limber star]

who?

[frozen crater]

but the fact that you can definitely get an advantage easily is just so wrong

[frozen crater]

bro statistically speaking at least 1 person has to be using the exploits 💀

[limber star]

nobody is ever able to give me a name though

like if its such a big issue in the community there has to be at least one name right?

[frozen crater]

thats really naive

like theres no way you think 0 people exploit reshade

[limber star]

i think there are 0 people actively exploiting reshade