feedback-discussion

[hot vigil]

Martini is fine, just not amazing.

[night perch]

I just feel like the martini is overpriced for what it is

(a shittier sparks that is)

[hot vigil]

Eh, I play it for the cowboy gunplay. Wouldn't be hunt without it.

[hot vigil]

Except that Martini is a cqc beast compared to a sparks.

[hardy coral]

My idea would be:
145 damage, special ammo 2/6 or 2/8, less recoil, same firerate, same damage as current VS AI, no shredder ammo or explosive ammo. Lower price like 500-650 dollars and maybe less blur outside of the aperture sight but not complete vision.

[lethal silo]

I would love a World War One Hunt Showdown but it's after a big battle and many of the corpses and mass graves have been used to create abominations and monsters by another eldreds god

[hot vigil]

And velocity?

[night perch]

Then make the nitro a weapon rocking in the range between sparks and martini

[hardy coral]

Same or a little lower.

[lethal silo]

Hunt showdown is still "Hunt showdown" even if there's no cowboys

for example hopefully we will at some point get a map which is no longer in America and is in some other part of the world

[hot vigil]

Yeah, dunno, feel like Martini with a free 2nd shot would be hard to balance. Especially if you remove the sight.

[hardy coral]

Wouldn't remove it, just make it less blurred outside of it but not completely clear.

Better to have an awkward two shot long ammo type (but still special) rifle with a high cieling than the current nitro that just one taps you out to about 60-65 metres currently with shredder.

[hot vigil]

Eeeeh, it is already a topic of people wanting more cowboys and less "weirdos", which have bloated the aesthetic for some while.

[night perch]

For the Nitro :
145 damage / 339m range / 20 rpm
0.7 Fire rate / 38 spread / 77 sway
11 recoil / 3.2 reload speed / 460ms

[hot vigil]

Again, just removing shredder would remove 99% of peoples grievances.

[hardy coral]

It'd still be OP, just not as so.

42 meters is still big.

[hot vigil]

38 sway?

[night perch]

Spread sorry

not sway

[hot vigil]

oh phew

[brisk timber]

Im curious how the Drilling is gonna work. If its like a rival but with medium ammo i can see how 2 tapping maybe gonna be a problem in itselfe.
Now imagine what kinda problem a viable 2tapping nitro would be

[night perch]

With those stats, i think having the nitro price around 250 would be fair

[hot vigil]

Exactly my point

[lethal silo]

that is the complete opposite in my opinion a lot of people and streamers want to see the rest of the world not just more of Luciana

we want snow and mountains, we want Forest with maybe different types of animal AI, we want City landscapes taken over by corruption

[hardy coral]

The nitro is already a problem tho

[brisk timber]

Sure but atleast a problem that is held at bay.

[hardy coral]

Not at all.

It is present, the only way it's going away is if it's nerfed into the ground or reworked.

[brisk timber]

I dont think capping its max potential and make it more viable is gonna help.

[night perch]

Drilling seems to be a good direction for the nitro

[hardy coral]

It would help? The problem is that it one shots not that it has two shots in somewhat quick succession.

[brisk timber]

You just shift the problem tho if you make it 2tap like a rival.

[night perch]

Lets be real, it statistically has the potential to two tap

[lethal silo]

I think Hunt Showdown have potential to become a big and I mean BIG!!! IP more than just Hunters from 1896 fighting each other and corruption in one state of America

but the entire world!!!! multiple entities of Gods trying to corrupt Or Destroy each other and humans

[hot vigil]

Sure people want to see more, but still at its core, Hunt is an American/Western Horror, from the lore to etymology and the people it is reflected such.

[night perch]

but the recoil make it almost impossible to do so at range

[brisk timber]

Yea i think having atleast some more biomes of american origina would be cool. America is big and the landscape is diverse.
Could have some rocky mountains and all that.

[night perch]

i think its in progress regarding the next map

[hot vigil]

Something something filenames

[lethal silo]

no it's also Chinese, Japanese, it's also northern part of Europe, and from the looks of it we might get stuff from Africa and Mexico as well

[brisk timber]

?

[night perch]

Maybe they could do events regarding other parts of the world

not necessarily new maps

[hot vigil]

I'm more talking about the the monster and magic.

[night perch]

like people have been bitching and review bombing about the Miko DLC because they want a katana

just make a katana event and make them happy

[brisk timber]

well that was the lamest shit crytek pulled
even her bio states a "sword"

[hot vigil]

You are a smart boi, you can look it up online it is out there ;)

[night perch]

i truly think they keep it for later

btw i love that the machete will be useful in the next patch

this thing has been useless since early access

[brisk timber]

hm isnt the new biome like the rain/flood/highwater thing?

[lethal silo]

we know from legendary Hunters lore China has its own version of the Hunt Association which specialized in fighting demons instead of corrupted mortals and Europe have multiple groups in Multiple countries fighting pagan gods and spirits

[night perch]

nah, that's the new weather

[brisk timber]

i only find talks of new map 2024

maybe thats something else tho 😮

[hot vigil]

Ah no that is the event.

[night perch]

btw anyone knows what's going on with 1.13 ?

takes longer to come out than most updates

[lethal silo]

this is a straight fact in Hunts universe there is multiple (maybe even hundreds) of Gods with various degrees of power

there also is multiple demons and things like demons and of course also spirits and other type of supernatural stuff and this is all over the world not just in Luciana

[lethal silo]

I think they are fine tuning the event combined with maybe even balancing the changes their working on? like? I asked Dennis when he was streaming if they will change long ammo from only getting 2 ammo to maybe 3?

[night perch]

Sure, but the event is the 1.14, the 1.13 has been on the test servers since the first of june

most updates hits live after 14 days of test

[hot vigil]

Yes, but still, the game is branded and appealed as "the cowboy game" and I think to neglect that would misunderstand the appeal of the brand.
Sure the world of hunt is expansive, but don't think people would be as drawn to it if the gunplay and setting was modernized. We have seen dime and dozen of ww1 horrors (weirdly enough) and CoD & Wolfenstein did plenty with WW2 horror.
Hunt strives on its unique setting and it ain't "there is demons around the world" that is the selling point.

[night perch]

(not bitching btw, i'm genuinely curious if something's going on)

[lethal silo]

just be patient I'm also excited but I just hope they nail the event like they did devil's moon

[hot vigil]

Might have found some bug/glitch that might been harder to deal with than expected.

[lethal silo]

I think they might also want to wait to make people more excited because they are slowly teasing individual weapons on for example the official Hunt YouTube channel

[night perch]

Guess it is that

[night perch]

Sure but the weapons are not in 1.13, they are in the update right after

the only new weapon there is in 1.13 is a machete that can kill anything other than a grunt

[lethal silo]

I think you're a little correct if they made let's say a second game but in the same gaming mechanics but in a different part of the world and a different time period they would probably not call it Hunt but it would still take place in the same universe

[hot vigil]

I mean, that is basically Remant: From the Ashes then :b Game is after all what Hunt was supposed to be.

[lethal silo]

I'm aware Hunt looking very different back in the day before they got Settle on first person PvPvE

and Remnant from the Ashes is very close to how it looked originally and the original idea

[hot vigil]

mhm mhm, but yeah, dunno, think I'd rather see Hunt go back in time (1800-1850) than forward.

[lethal silo]

that's actually something I would also love to see like Hunt but doing mid evil period doing the black plague

[hot vigil]

Not that far back 😅😂 Also, trading in melee is already a pain, imagine mode where melee is the norm.

[lethal silo]

if they made a game focused on melee you would probably be able to Parry and block

[hot vigil]

For sure, but yeah, dunno if it would be "Hunt" then.

Again, the time-period very much make up a lot of the game.

[royal grove]

this is called console

[ripe basalt]

@hot vigil Please keep reply/discussions out of the #feedback channel. Thanks.

[hot vigil]

Ah damn, didn't see it was in feedback, just saw the question asked

[unborn dagger]

It is true lol

And shotguns

[brisk timber]

Oh how fuckin awesome would be that
like you have a window where you can parry

Imagine those awesome bomblance fights 😄

Or like you could block a hit with your rifle but it snaps it

[weak atlas]

[worthy knoll]

I like it very much, it packs a punch and in ompunds its good. Its just not a "long range sniper". People who hate it hate it because ithey see a cheaper sparks but thats not how you should play the Martini. Especially the Riposte is fun

[spiral wasp]

Parrying would be hard to implement into the game; but I gotta agree it would be super cool

[vestal holly]

very old conversation but i wanna say something you cant slam fire the specter irl plus vetterli is better than springfield but springfield is cheaper so specter is cheaper slate is more expensive problem solved. also maybe we can make the slate even more expensive

[worthy scroll]

Why would the slate need to be more expensive, it’s already 300 bucks

[vestal holly]

it doesnt need to

[worthy scroll]

I’m confused

[vestal holly]

read the messege that i responded too please

[unborn sandal]

Realism has never stopped the devs before. Also it’s unnecessary power creep

[hardy coral]

Slam fire isn't needed, how would you balance it?

The role of fast firing but somewhat unwieldy shotgun is filled by the terminus.

[crude karma]

if the terminus with levering could be balanced, whos to say that the pump action shotguns with a slamfire perk couldnt be balanced as well

that bein said, kinda have to agree with a slamfire perk not being needed

[brisk timber]

@brazen pawn no trials planned. not important enough and takes dev time of crucial things improving the actual game.

[brisk timber]

@left nexus can you explain what problem you have with sound?

[ripe basalt]

@hot acorn Please add a description to your post or else it will be deleted under "low effort". Thank you.

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
Locking BB accolades to winning is the worst thing - everyone regardless of skill should be able to get the hands on them.

[balmy spindle]

soo yesterday at the same time like now i played with my friend and we had bug yesterday where we finshed the game with win had bounty he had 3 kills but nothing counted idk why it says pls wait or leave when game finsihed he didnt wait but i was waitng to fill to loud but still got shit. Now i could join the game, it disconect me and then when i tried to rejoin i couldnt do it, i tried a few times, for some reason it didnt want

[split wasp]

@brazen pawn mod deleted the brief response I gave you, but trials will not be made for desalle or any future content.

As stated by General Manager David Fifield.

[onyx edge]

i'd take a questline over more trials any day, they were so fucking bullshit

[celest spindle]

@stable vergei would like to see someof those new enemy art concepts if you still have them/have a link for them, thanks

[stable verge]

A google search will turn you up more

That’s where I got these

[next yarrow]

@Rakki there is actually more than one immolator skin

some of them have swirly runes and others don't

they're both still glowing orange guys though

[brisk timber]

Oh i didnt catch that. But i guess its very subtle

[next yarrow]

of course the red and white hives have the same model

maybe someday we will get a blue hive

[brisk timber]

I think more drastic reskins would be nice. A hive could have rotten flesh while the other could be a pale Beauty. An immolator could be a bit more melty or thorny and have a black/deepred glow like lava.

[worthy scroll]

Yeah, it’s not like you wouldn’t be able to tell which enemy is which

[brisk timber]

Yea the models and the behavior are really distinctive on their own. Thats why i pointed out if we would get model changes at all they would have to be not gameplay changing.

Thought about adding an extra head to an armored
Already wouldnt work cause of HS hitbox

[hot vigil]

It is too great of a risk to affect gameplay balancing.

Rather just have some texture variations on the already existing ones akin to hives and immolators.

[brisk timber]

Models maybe.
But reskins i think would be totaly fine.

[hot vigil]

We already see with Hunters that there is certain skins that gives an edge over others.

We shouldn't pay for the world feeling more immersive.

Moreso it can end up affecting new design spaces for the team.
Bc they might want to make a new type of enemy, but now the variants skins are too similar and would create confusion.

[brisk timber]

Well i would like if some more skin variance would come just with a Patch. But you borderline getting thrown out of here for a freeloading mentality

[hot vigil]

Hunter and weapons skins are (mostly) fine. But when it starts affecting what players can see in the landscape it becomes more of an issue.
I know we not gonna get pink armored, but a birch wood armored would be easier to spot than the current ones.

[brisk timber]

I think thats a bit pessimistic tho.
Grunts have all sorts of looks. The variance is actually nice and you can still spot their differences

[brisk timber]

Welp i think this wouldnt be so drastic. Its not like a Monster sits in a bush with a mosin. Its just cannon fodder anyway

To me it just feels like getting this extra variance could drastically improve that the game wouldnt feel so sandboxy anymore. The maps already are so static. Atleast lets give the monster some visual character difference.

[hot vigil]

Yes, but you don't choose that look, they are random and selected for certain areas.
But to say you can choose ALL grunts looks the same is different.

The grunt with the hat have sometimes made me confuse it for a Hunter. So me having the option to make them all look like prison grunts would be an edge.

[brisk timber]

Oh - i dont meant buying a skin for a monster would make them all look like this. More like put those skins ontop already existing ones in a rotation like system

[hot vigil]

I get that, but it should be equal for everyone, would rather have Crytek released a skin (hunter/weapon) and if that skin sales reached a goal they'd work and put in new monster skins/models

[hot vigil]

Would still dilute the pool and then lessen the odds for a "bad skin" to be drawn. Also how does that work for other hunters who doesn't have the skin?

[brisk timber]

I guess visuals are client sided anyway so they would see the basic skins

Tbh i would wish just for a regular patch to expand the skin pool

For everyone

But saying around here that anything should be for free gets everyone saying "poor crytek goes bancrupt. Save hunt pls"

[hot vigil]

Me too, hence why I think a community event where we can buy skins towards a stretch goal would be more reasonable.

Let say Hunt have a sale and if they run over 50k in sales they will work on more diverse AI for everyone.

[royal grove]

holy fuck do not ask for paywalled content
slippery slope that we're already on

"please bleed me dry and put mob variety behind a skin pack! more battle passes too please!"

[hot vigil]

I agree with that sentiment a lot.

[brisk timber]

Defending BB accolades burned me on this discord. Im charred.

[royal grove]

my brain short circuits when people tell me "oh ya bud it's so nice doncha know, the blood bonds and the perks and the health chunks." who the FUck was spending bb on that shit lmao

blood bonds has always been, and will likely remain, a "never gonna purchase" for me
gonna keep getting dlc
gonna keep getting a cool shirt here and there or whatever
but bb comes from accolades and daily bounty and goes to a free skin every once in a while. it is known.
people too many BB? LOWER AMOUNT. fuck challenges and i still ain't buying bb lmao

[brisk timber]

spoken like a true gentlemen

[hot vigil]

This the true issue with BB is that they simply is an awful deal, 1000bb for one skin or 10 bucks for 3-4 skins in a DLC pack.

[unborn dagger]

Yup

[hot vigil]

And the the 1k bb price made sense when we earned bb somewhat steadly I guess, then people might be "oh I need a little more BB, I'll buy some".

[worn siren]

When is Crytek ever going to just own up to the avtomat being a bad idea for the game? Why has it just not even being considered removed from the game at this point? This isint just a 'Oh its overpowered/you just dont know how to play around it' its a 'They had to nerf the gun seven times, rework it twice and nerf other guns and now entire mechanics around it' situation. When the gun was released it was semi and fully automatic. It had 20 rounds and 20 in reserve. No matter how you cut it; the gun was never a thought out weapon to begin with.

So what have they changed about the weapon? In order they:Removed its extra 20 rounds. Increased its recoil, lowered its capacity to 15, reworked the weapon to be a 2 shot burst, increased its hipfire recoil, reworked the weapon to be a three round burst with worse iron sights and dramatically increased its hipfire spread, further increased its recoil, and now they are making it so ammo crates give a static amount and, yup, another recoil increase. And those are just direct nerfs to the weapon, never mind nerfing the uppercut to diswade people from taking it for extra ammo.

No other weapon even comes close to the sheer amount of balancing gymnastics that have been thrown at this gun under the all or nothing mindset of "We can make this gun work, we will balance this gun someway somehow" complete ignoring that one: youre attempting to work in a full automatic assault rifle in a 1891 setting where no other gun even remotely functions the same as the avtomat and two: is the sheer amount of effot and changes made to the game even worth it to attempt to force one single weapon into the meta? At this point entire mechanics are having to be changed in order to fight how widespread this weapon has become instead of just addmiting the mistake and acknowledging that this is just not a gun that can be made to work in the games setting or balance. Remove, refund, acknowledged that not every idea for the game can be made to work and just be done with it. The weapon has been wildly out of control and is always going to be doomed to be either an insane powerhouse or over priced meme weapon.

[chrome oyster]

@jovial skiff those guns will be, they always are; it's just early access if you get them during the event

@stray horizon the steam deck should already be supported/the game should already work

[queen jungle]

@dull prawn Generators making deafening noise is their purpose. You can use the noise to drown out sounds, thus allowing you to move without possible opponents noticing. Likewise, entering a compound with an active generator is a risk since you cannot listen for steps/movement beforehand. Sure, you could turn it off, but that would alert anybody nearby of your presence.

I agree that the lights are kinda useless, they were much better when the game still had proper dark nights time of day.

[dull prawn]

I understand your reasoning in theory, but in practice it never seems to go that way, at least not in any of the games I've ever played and I've been playing a long ass time. Pretty much every time a fight occurs in a compound, the generator is off, likewise if my team hits a compound with the generator on, we'll always turn it off before we start fortifying, because being able to hear enemies coming is more tactically valuable than having the generator mask our footsteps.

Not once have I ever seen somebody turn a generator on in a compound for tactical reasons, not even agressive players who's playstyle is to barge in guns blazing and just go as loud as possible! It just isn't worth it in the long run because being able to pinpoint enemies through sound is always more valuable than having all sound be masked by the generator

I'm not saying it never happens ever, just that I've never once seen it in my time playing

[light badge]

I have seen some people turn on generator to try and push compound. it's almost always worked poorly but I've seen it tried xD

I think maybe if it had a longer wind up time so you could get farther from the point of the noise, get ready to take a shot as soon as it came on for example it might have a bit more use but it still seems pretty hard to figure out using appropriately

[jovial skiff]

There are at least two guns we noticed last night that are still locked. The centennial shorty silenced and another, cannot remember the gun as it was on a friends account.

[eternal jay]

These guns will be added in standard progression in patch 1.13.

[karmic ivy]

"Suggestion Title: Trait to resist teaming/Revenge mode"

I vote no

[stray horizon]

well then it seems my work here is done you're all very welcome

[unborn dagger]

@karmic kettle What is happening with that? I've been noticing a duo team in practically all of the trio matches I've been doing.

[karmic kettle]

It sets the lobby to trio automatically, no matter if you are duo or trio.

[dim heron]

@finite sundial Please don't tag Devs if they're not active in chat. Also the Feedback channel is for feedback not questions

[tribal wyvern]

@royal horizon Im curious, can you name 1 or a few quests you'd want in the game.
I'm struggling to see any with these restrictions.

[royal horizon]

Quests that reward the player for basically playing the game normally with emphasis on open-ended objectives. Open-ended quests like "make enemies bleed" or "deal poison damage" are great, because they can be achieved in a myriad of different ways, and don't restrict you to playing a specific, defined loadout to succeed.
This where quests like "kill 18 crows" fail, because to kill crows you have to actively choose not to participate in the core gameplay loop, as well as bringing a specific set of weapons or consumables (ie. poison hand crossbow).

The core idea for questlines isn't necesseraly bad, it's just that it's flourishing with unnecessary hoops you have to jump through to get to the things that interest you. Ideally, they would serve as fun little challenges in themselves, with the Hunter or weapon skin being the cherry on top

[tribal wyvern]

You're literally saying special ammo is negative.
And those quests are bad as they force you not to headshot players, actively going for plays that have a bigger risk to put you at disadvantage.

How can you deal poison damage in many different ways without using special ammo?
Theres 1 bomb.

[royal horizon]

Bleeding quests don't restrict you to just playing Dumdum ammo, you could play the bow or the crossbows, you could use Flechette, you could stab people with bayonnets or melee variants

[tribal wyvern]

Stabbing but without killing

Who goes for a non lethal stab? You're gonna be killed

And ye you could do bow or crossbow, again, not going for kills.

You have to hit body parts that won't onetap

[royal horizon]

realistically speaking, even if you get stabbed lethaly, you would still bleed. Why wouldn't that be the case ?

[tribal wyvern]

You answere the question in your first word

[royal horizon]

litteraly just make it so that kills with "bleed weapons" count towards the questline, boom problem fixed

why isn't this a thing already ?

[tribal wyvern]

They have not done it for a year, i doubt it will be implemented anytime soon

spaghetti coding i guess

[royal horizon]

either that or they want to spread their content as thinly as possible over a period of time as large as possible. You can clearly see that ideology being present in the recent questlines, with the heaps of rng quests and straight up rigged spawns

[tribal wyvern]

I've never personally thought questlines were good beyond its very first iteration

[royal horizon]

me neither

thus my feedback

[tribal wyvern]

When they made billy & stalker beetle & stuff like that, i was against it immediatly, cuz it was just copy pasta of what we already had

Repeatable optional daily stuff, was fine.
Do something different with events

[royal horizon]

I know they won't stop making them, so at least we can hope they make them passable

[tribal wyvern]

ye i hope they're easy to just auto complete as i play.
It was a good idea generally, nice, now you put an afternoon to make this system.
Now put another afternoon to make a new system for events

[royal horizon]

honestly, I wouldn't have thought to complain if they were just normal game objectives like banishing bosses, extracting with bounty, collecting clues, etc...

[tribal wyvern]

Well it's nice that they experiment with forcing ppl outside of the comfort area.
So i think the quests in general were good. But when they came up with it, it's like everyone in the office just had an org*sm & thought "the game will revolve entirely around this, this is the only thing we'll do for the next 5 years."

Like, you can have different systems at once, it is allowed, no one will crucify you.

[royal horizon]

yeah, exactly

[unborn dagger]

I could have sworn they fixed something similar to that but I guess not

[bold valley]

i don't like the quests that are basically solved by playing the game normally, as what would be the point of making it a quest? i was gonna do that anyway. On the flipside i don't like quests that I have to go out of my way to put myself at a disadvantage via my loadout or in tactics, in order to accomplish, as it makes me less likely to try to do it, knowing that i am more likely to get killed by another player for trying it.

what i would like is quests that actually feel like something a hunter would be hired to do, other than turn in boss tokens. Relatively straight forward stuff that feel like a job off a job board that might require a detour to cross off the list, but not any grind.

stuff like drop off a mystery parcel in such and such place, or collect a mystery parcel from such and such place. use dynamite to blow open a safe in such and such place and steal the cash for your own gain. Conduct a ritual at a given location... etc

[brisk timber]

I think the Event questlines are too tedious.
BUT
What the weekly quest challenges are now -> should be the Event quests.
Like you have weekly easy tasks and every week you unlock another set of quests.
So we avoid people speed running the whole event in like 3 days.

The weekly challenges could stay but gives stuff like consumables, weapons or hunt dollars.
A completely optional thing for people who can use the freebes or are bored.

The BloodBonds should be kept to just playing the game - not even successful - just. for. playing.

[crystal plume]

I don' think that's a bad thing, if anything they used to do something similar with artificially limiting event progression speed, people didn't like it and they removed it

[brisk timber]

The problem with unlimited is the devs would like to have the event be in the talks for weeks.
Player retention and hype.

Speedrunning makes the devs overload the task so people have to grind and cant finish so fast.
That is a burden for players who arent like that.

Id rather have a weekly reason to log in for some hours and have a fun time - and then come back the next weeks when another set of quest unlocks.

Instead of searching 18 gator traps or doin 1500dmg with an officer brawler.

[crystal plume]

And I prefer being rewarded for the amount of time I put into something, even if I am able to put more time into it than the "average" person

[brisk timber]

You just wanna get over it, reap the rewards and move on.
Sure. But i guess thats not what Devs want you to do.

[crystal plume]

If it was limited weekly I wouldn't feel compelled to play after finishing that week's worth of progression unless I unlocked something that keeps me entertained during that time

[brisk timber]

You could wait till the last week of the Event and finish everything in 3 days tho.

[crystal plume]

Well the devs changed it because people didn't like it 😄 You're free to disagree and suggest otherwise but I'm just saying how it is/was

[brisk timber]

hm yea true tho.
but i feel like gaming communitys are very susceptible for fast rewards and powercreep.
So in that regard im a bit torn listening to player feedback - because players want stuff NOW and ALL THE STUFF!

[narrow kernel]

nice mmr system

[brisk timber]

oh comon - i can understand 3* complaining playing against 5* or 6*
But youre basically a 5* playing mostly against 5* and 2x6*

this MMR complaining getting a bit out of hand

[clever wing]

Because Crytek is doing nothing to fix it

[brisk timber]

tbh in most cases theres nothing to fix
This picture above is an example par excelance - sure as a solo you would usually get lower star players but reducing solos match MMR is highly questionable to begin with
Otherwise this is a really fair matchup

Aswell as well populated regions like EU barely having such problems - im mostly in 1/2 star range to my competitors if i dont play at completely out of touch time frames like in the middle of a night on a monday.

For the less well populated regions its easy to complain but crytek cant pull players out of their asses to match everyone fairly.

The only thing that would help is extanding the queue window but people then come to discord whining about "WaItINg 10MiN tO fINd A gaMe"

[clever wing]

I play this game for years, we didn't have these problems before, we have now, so what happend to our player base? Evaporeted? Or maybe, just MAYBE.. it has something to do whit sbmm and mmr system... gime a break, so only EU has the right to play the game? Crytek shoud sell the game only in EU then... I don't even have to defend o problem to you, go check feedback screenshots and Reddit.. Here, i myself have one just for you, these guys were playing avto and nitro by the way...

[queen jungle]

For low-population regions Crytek needs to find a balance between having fair matches vs. having populated matches.

And either people will complain about unfair matches or empty matches. There is no magical solution to this issue, in such edge cases it will always be that some people are dissatisfied one or the other way.

[brisk timber]

people were complaining so much about half empty lobbies that crytek pulled on their levers
But if you move one point up another goes down. Its the nature of the system.
The lower the playerbase the worse the situation becomes

So we could pull another level and extend queue time but than people come and complain about how long it takes to find a match

So theres just no way around it - if youre from a low pop region and what fast matches and full lobby the matches need to pool in more MMR ranges.

[pulsar canopy]

The way around is to throw higher elo lobbies under the bus.
High 5/6 stars will have empty lobbies or long queues, while the rest of us will enjoy fairer match ups.

[queen jungle]

That's one solution and arguably the least bad since 6-stars make up a very small part of the overall player base according to the menu graph Crytek gave us

[brisk timber]

True. But its often also the hardcore and vocal playerbase. Just think about the streamers having 10-15min queue times live on air...

[queen jungle]

Yep

[brisk timber]

i think crytek already said they wont do this if i remember correctly

[queen jungle]

Not a fan of content creators personally because of how much influence they often take in games (not just talking Hunt here) even though they represent a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the community.

[worthy knoll]

Agreed. They are usually only speaking for zur Highest Skill Levels, while a Game should be more Balanced for the average Joe (Pun intended)

[brisk timber]

I think that why it was the best to have the option for SBMM on and off

If youre a casual player wanna enjoy your Hunt match -> you put SBMM on and have quick and fair matches - people with high ranks just could wait longer here.

Then in the SBMM off queue you could just pool anyone and have a fast queue all around.
Lower ranks could test their skill against high skilled players and other way around you could go stomp and make silly YT videos and streams.
Maybe turn SBMM changes for kills off in that mode even.

Its still a riddle to me why crytek deleted that option

well

#hunt-general message

so

we can come to the conclusion - you cant make everyone happy

[upper hearth]

@royal horizon "- Challenges shouldn't require specific legendary "skins" to be completed" Why is this an issue? Also, why is specific ammo types an issue?

[unborn sandal]

Probably due to prestiging sometimes you can’t complete a tier until you’ve gotten to a certain bloodline level and unlocked the weapon for the challenge

[upper hearth]

during the questline the gun/skin and ammo types remain unlocked. Exception for ammo types if the are not applicable for the weapons that remained unlocked. but i mean ammo types are not hard to unlock at all. At least thats how it worked with the first billy questline and mama may questline. Been p100 for awhile after those so maybe that has changed.

[unborn sandal]

The challenges for the questlines required you to have the weapon unlocked. For example killian’s chance, a mandatory challenge, required you to have the officer brawler unlocked

[rotund obsidian]

that was probably the worst challenge of the entire event for me tbh

[upper hearth]

yeah that sounds like a bug/issue. if it requires a weapon/skin. They need to remain unlocked for the duration of the questline once you have unlocked the skin/weapon. In this case the officer brawler wasn't new but the skin was. That's why I say it seems like a bug/issue. The krag variants and cent shortys remained unlocked though correct?

[upper hearth]

only challenge that caused me issues was the krag ones, but that was because i was having a bad day of matches.

[rotund obsidian]

I felt like I was throwing games by only using my pistol to farm damage, at least with krag I was still trying to win

somebody takes a shot at me from like 75m? I shoot with officer even if a headshot wouldn't be lethal lmao

at least if it was kills I could tag with a primary and go for a finish with the officer

[unborn sandal]

They weren’t skins for existing weapons. They were new weapons. When the Krag originally came out it was available for the duration of its event from bloodline zero, but the Romero hancannon skin from the same event didn’t unlock the Romero hancannon permanently. New weapons stay unlock but skins of existing weapons never have

[upper hearth]

i play shotgun with i am needing damage on a pistol. Don't go out of your way to farm damage like that.

[upper hearth]

Like i said they should remain unlocked if it requires specific skin

[rotund obsidian]

if I didnt farm it I would've been stuck on it for ages since the officer is a peashooter past 30m

had my entire squad running it and it still took a few sessions

[upper hearth]

i play solo and got the officer done in 2 matches. just play other weapons that force you to play closer range.

hell fires help a lot too. allowing you to push and play with the officer for the damage.

[rotund obsidian]

was literally playing dual officer brawler plus a single officer brawler for a few games, everyone refused to come closer than 150m that week I swear

[unborn sandal]

I played killians with dual base nagant just for more ammo and I didn’t have any problems because it’s such a versatile weapon. I got my killian’s damage in three games but I was stuck on that challenge for two days because I wasn’t high enough bloodline to unlock the officer

[rotund obsidian]

@celest spindle are you referring to the "kill immolators with choke bombs" challenges for the choke bolt suggestion?

because afaik they do work as long as you don't direct hit the immolators with the bolt

[celest spindle]

yea

[celest spindle]

goober mechanic

[rotund obsidian]

yeah it definitely seems unintended, but that's how I did the questline versions of that challenge with choke bolts.

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
@queen jungle
This is something i really would wish in general. Getting out alive is the main objective - so deaths shouldnt matter as much. Taking risks and surviving them and taking one for the team shouldnt come with so much punishment.

Going in Solo is even more dramatic and absurd. If you play vs trios you end up fighting 2stars below you. The MMR drops crazy if you die and god behold if you revive unsuccessful. As a solo the MMR loss should remain in the range of your MMR.

[queen jungle]

fr

[rotund obsidian]

It should account for your MMR adjustment from matchmaking as well. If solo, your "team mmr" is made lower since you are a solo, so that new team mmr is what should be considered when you kill/are killed by someone else

also, the team mmr adjustment shouldn't be as much anymore since solo gets a bunch of shiny new trait bonuses

[brisk timber]

Before SBMM forced always on
I was always playin solo with SBMM off. The games were much better and i often had fair matches without deranking absurdly fast.

[brisk timber]

Yea i think -1/2 star duo or -1 star trio would be enough. No change at all would be fine for me aswell.

[rotund obsidian]

tbh i think solos should be treated as duos, adjustment wise, so they get 0 adjustment in duo queue and the same adjustment that duos get when they queue for trios

[unborn dagger]

@sick wind to be fair you can holster your gun to have the melee be slightly faster to ready up

Honestly I just want the weapon to have a light attack that utilizes the talon

That's fair, I wouldn't mind it to be slightly faster

True, talon does get punished more compared to other melee variants

[unborn sandal]

No they do not

It specifies choke bomb

Not choke cloud

It only works with choke bombs

[rotund obsidian]

I mean, to be fair, I only did it for the questlines, so if those challenges are somehow coded differently than the weeklies, that makes sense. However, I definitely used choke bolts to do the questline challenge to kill immolators with a choke bomb.

I made a suggestion a couple above yours relating to the unready-binding in addition to the awkward gunslinger melee delay between strikes, which is a decent part of why the bladed weapon melees are so slow.

Hopefully they figure out a way to outright fix that, but I'd settle for being able to tap to holster

[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
@mellow mural
Sounds like a good idea as long as it doesnt delay the reloading. And that could be a problem with catchy animations.

Aswell as having a useless trait on a fresh hunter. Needed to be put out of the trait pool.

[mellow mural]

With the new trait changes incoming, it won't cost bloodbonds to remove traits anymore. So we can afford having more superfluous traits such as tomahawk.

And of course not every gun can get one, and the general idea is doing their best to not add or reduce time it takes to reload.

[brisk timber]

Thats true tho

[mellow mural]

Worst case scenario, with the new changes, you get one free perk point, or lose and gain nothing for a one point perk if you remove it.

[steady prism]

Afaik Talon are currently the deadliest, slowest and most stamina consuming mellee variant ig

I think they should capitalize on it and do things differently than incresing the speed...

how about making the talon charged attack slash across in a wide arc, massively improving hit chance (similar to bomblance)

and maybe making the character grab the handguard with both arms in the process, increasing range a bit, bcs lets be honest it feels shorter than a knuckleknife

that way it would be much easier to run into pvp mellee while wielding talon, it would be possible to hit multiple grunts on one swipe and it would make combating things like armoreds a bit easier...

[flat sandal]

Hitting constantina armored outside of bleed distance would be nice. Can any melee do that?

[little jackal]

saber can

[unborn sandal]

I’m assuming you mean tool melees. The knife and knuckle knife can but it’s very difficult. I would just recommend bringing throwing axes as your melee. They work great as a melee and can be thrown at horses and concertina armored easily

[flat sandal]

Was referring to the Talon discussion and any melee really.

[unborn sandal]

The only melees that are incapable of hitting a concertina armored without taking bleed damage are the dusters, heavy knife, and machete afaik

I know knife and knuckle knife can with great difficulty

All the weapon attachment melees can

Maybe not the obrez mace

[flat sandal]

Good to know

[last finch]

woops forgot only solo players are on right now ill post it later when normal people are on mb

[fair mango]

so TRUE i tested this out , i have been finding ways to fix the lines in the game that occurs in bridges and wood objects and compounds but to no avail. Admins and devs pls take note!

[river schooner]

https://www.surveymonkey.de/r/QWOTRVOTS anyone else seen this? They asking for feedback on the recent questline

[tight delta]

I filled the survey, but got a message something about moderator changing the survey, and my written responses were deleted 😦

[trim trout]

about 3 weeks ago heavy de-sync, stuttering and rubberbandning started occuring on EU servers. it happens all day long, no matter the active playerbase. please look into this, thank you.

[worthy knoll]

What did you write?

[karmic ivy]

@unique osprey Did you know there is a reason you don't get told about who gets banned. And since there is a reason, why would you expect them to flaunt that reason for your preference? What do you offer? and what did they get for not discosing bans? which one is more important?

[dim heron]

@plucky harness In game ban or Discord ban

[plucky harness]

In Game

[dim heron]

#customer-support

[plucky harness]

Thx

[inland ravine]

can we please get a rename for the "Uppermat" mashing two names together like a child is goofy as hell. what about the LeMat "Big Iron" like the Marty Robbins song. Thematic and in sync with the medium slot nature of the weapon

[little jackal]

I swear sometimes I think I'm the only one who doesn't give a flying how a gun is called

like seriously, I envy you guys don't have anything else to worry about

[jagged wagon]

Got the time to throw shade at people that do care though.

[spring hound]

^ We just want the thing not to sound silly.

That too much to ask? Literally just gotta go in, delete the name in whereever the text gets pulled from and change it to something else

[bronze quail]

Man I was thinking the same. I never saw so much people complaining for something like they are doing for a fking name lol

[spring hound]

Of all the things we feedback and request I think this is probably one of the easier to implement.

But if you want me to start the 2D replay complaining/requesting again I could do that.

[reef pebble]

Would be more valuable than renaming. There is so many suggestions that just drown in renames its ridicules. Like things about self revive(longer please) or crossplatform Progression or weapon suggestion(not name actual gun). Stuff like that. It drowns

[spring hound]

They have a backlog of weapon suggestions longer than I am tall. Self revive is still fairly new and will be balanced again I'm sure.

[brisk timber]

about self revive(longer please)
Thats not important anyway

20 sec self revive - anyone in their right mind know this wouldnt be balanced at all

[spring hound]

I'm shocked they haven't nerfed or made conduit as expensive as doctor.

[vivid flame]

Ngl for better or for worse the last few weapon additions have been straight fan service

[deft frigate]

good job again with MMR system 😄 I am with 2 4* randoms having no idea how the game works as a 6* and I get full invite 6* trio tryhards with 3+ KD 😄 good job again and good luck fixinng more stuff 😄

[bronze quail]

Sometimes i think that there is something wrong with the randoms matchmaking. If i play with a full 6 stars premade we get matched against 5/4 stars average/under average players. If i try to play with a friend + a third random we get matched against full 6 stars premades

And it happens a lot of times, is not just sometimes

[dull fossil]

can yous please drop the update

[vestal cedar]

Those trades are really starting to get on my nerves...

[alpine fractal]

Thats not the games issue

There’s not enough players in the player pool. Thats a you problem for premaking with all 3 of you being 6* playing the game on easy mode

If you play with randoms maybe you’ll have more fun/interesting matches

I honestly don’t see the fun in it tbh. I prefer playing with randoms and vsing randoms. If i could opt out of vsing premades then i would and you’d be stuck with 10min match queues because i doubt everyone else wants to be playing in the unfair matches where there’s 3 6* tryhards all on voice coms running automatic mosins and nitros

[tidal moss]

@RoosterIllusion — 06/17/2023 6:33 PM
What the hell is this...I mean, if I need to add some feedback, I guess I'd suggest, uh, having matchmaking work again in the near future. I can't even recommend this game to anyone because this is what they'll run into...

Crytek doesn't care unfortunately. I've reported this issue a dozen times. Their current answer on the mater is always evasive and provides no actual information. I'm assuming they want to keep their 6 star players happy so they feed them 4 stars so they can get some easy kills.

if you look in feed back its almost all people talking about match making.

I've contacted support on the issue they evaded the question provided a copy paste answer about a totaly diffrent topic then stopped responding

I own all the DLC and had planned to keep buying them to support the game but honestly untill they do they Bare minimum to address this issue I'm done giving them money.

Id get crap match making if it was off hours or on a low population server but NAE on 7pm on a friday... If they dont have enough players to make match making work at that time its time to pack it in

[unique osprey]

Did you know we don't need to know what action happens to an account? We just need a message saying that action has been taken on a report no names whatsoever? You can put in a 24hr delay if that would make you feel better. The EU GDPR excuse is a joke when literally everything we do in hunt is through steam aka 80% of player profiles are not private by default and therefore I can directly go to their steam account which I would think would violate EU GDPR.

[karmic ivy]

It would if you accused them of something like cheating. Which is why you would be moderated if you did it.
And even knowing an action happend is information that can identifiy a person. which in the EU is a problem. Crytek has to follow the laws like everyone else subject to them.

[tidal moss]

thats how CPS resports work here in the states. I have to make about 8 or 9 CPS reports a year as a teacher. They never tell us what happens, but I get a letter about a month later that says. "Action was taken as a result of your report" or "No action was deamed nessisary at this time"

it would make sense to do it like that which is why that wont be happening

[unique osprey]

I would care less and report whenever I thought there was foul play except in one of rachta's videos/stream David revealed that our reports can be treated with less weight/less legitimate but tells us keep reporting. That is Bs to tell us to keep reporting, not have any form of a playback system, no report feedback, oh and your reports can be viewed as being less than legitimate if whoever looks at them marks it as such. I get trying to reduce rage reports but when I see multiple brand new accounts multiple games that I have reported multiple times that are clearly hacking makes you wonder if Crytek cares at all even though they say they do

[tidal moss]

wonder no more. They dont

[unique osprey]

Yeah might as well go download reshade and put a cross hair on am I right?

[tidal moss]

Im planning to

[proud narwhal]

Go ahead, you'll still suck 🙂

[karmic ivy]

I think you don't have to worry about that if you don't rage report players that are probably not cheating. Keep it to the cases you are suspicious of and you should be fine.

[tidal moss]

crytek doesn't care. Why force yourself to play with a disadvantage.

but match making will still be aweful so dont expect a balanced lobby

[karmic ivy]

It is clear they care about hacking. But maybe they could make it more clear that they don't ban players as soon as they see them use a cheat "feature". They might wait some time to thow off the cheat developers.

[tidal moss]

how so?

[karmic ivy]

digress

[tidal moss]

totaly fair loby according to crytek

[tidal moss]

digress onto what

[karmic ivy]

your question.

[unique osprey]

Yeah the match making changes were bas

Bad

[tidal moss]

I said how so. What has crytek done to shwo they care about hacking. They have payed some lip service but theirs no evidence they have "done" anything

[karmic ivy]

They ban cheaters, like every game. They run a suite of anti-cheat solutions. do you need more?

[unique osprey]

Oh and what proof do you have that they ban cheaters? They use easy anti-cheat which by itself hack devs have gotten around over and over again. I have yet to see someone banned live. No numbers released on how many banned.

[karmic ivy]

Why would you expect to see someone banned live?

Did you know that easyanticheat is more like a fist layer of defence. More useful against scripts and such than the comlicated cheat methods. Those are dealt with by others. They often are not named for obvious reasons.

[tidal moss]

what evidence is thier of that. "Trust me bro we do it"

[karmic ivy]

What evidence would convince you?

[tidal moss]

how about some numbers. real actual numbers. Or feed back on reports

[unique osprey]

Numbers and clips of hackers banned live just like every other game

[tidal moss]

god knows ive given them enough money with DLC to do more then the nothing they currently do

[karmic ivy]

You can see real numbers if you go to the steam forums. They used to post the metrics there.

looked like about 500 a month if I recall.

[tidal moss]

"used to"

[karmic ivy]

What makes you think they have stopped?

would you?

[tidal moss]

You think they wouldnt?

Crytek is getting ready to move on to a new title. If you watch their jobs page they have been hireing like mad for it.

Hunts going to the back burner

[little jackal]

hunt's dead

gator's cancelled

[tidal moss]

hunts entered the monitization phase of its existance. Skins, DLC, and Events to help sell Skins and DLC

[karmic ivy]

Sure thing.... rolls eyes

[tidal moss]

They dont fix issues. Atleast not with this engine. Maybe they stoped because they are concentrating on moving the game to the new engine, not sure. Match making's been busted for half a year. Theirs a lake by heritage pork that dosnt know its water for 8 months. and to many more issues to list

[tidal moss]

cringe

[frozen crater]

heritage pork bug was in the game for a month max and its already fixed.

[tidal moss]

it was their 2 hours ago

we test it everytime we go through

we call it the magic lake

[frozen crater]

I distinctly remember it being fixed a couple weeks ago

[tidal moss]

i mean I was their 2 hours ago and it was still bugged

[frozen crater]

It may have been reintroduced within the last hotfix, not sure how that would happen though.

[tidal moss]

sometime if you have gator legs it works as intended othertimes its bugged entierly

it seems random some matches you dont need gatorlegs and its like running on open ground

thats why we always run through it if we are in the area to see which way its messed up this match

we have actually gotten kills with it befor. Most people run around the lake but when its bugged out we have been able to run a few hunters down with the "short cut"

[frozen crater]

Maybe its a trait specific bug, no testing on my part though.

maybe it has been a bug for a while at this point, but only became easier to replicate within the last couple of months

[tidal moss]

we think it likely is. But we arnt interested in testing because theirs much bigger issues hunt really should concentrate on

like this totaly fair match making

NAE peak hours

that 3 star sure was ready for it! I know nothing makes a new player excited for a game like getting dumped on by players with 2k plus more hours in the game then them! Nothing screems "player retention" like a well balanced match 🙂

[karmic ivy]

I think if a three star is playing with a five star he knows what he is getting into. 5 star players play with 6 star players...

[tidal moss]

you honestly think looking at that, that that was a fair fight

[karmic ivy]

fair enough, yes

[tidal moss]

a 3, a 4 and a 5

vs 3 6's

[tidal moss]

I honestly would like to hear your justification.

you really belive the skill levels indicated by those ratings put them on an even field?

[karmic ivy]

even enough, yes.
SBMM isn't magic. There is always a balance between fair, wait time, and population size.

[brisk timber]

Im also in favor of low rank players matching the high ranks players in the team
But not like that yea. Its a bit extreme.
Even the 5* couldnt carry vs 3x6*

if it was 3x5* okay

[tidal moss]

those are 2 evenly matched players according to you

or "fair enough"

[karmic ivy]

As I said, if a three star plays in the same team with a 4 and 5, they know what they are getting into.

so, fair enough.

[tidal moss]

guys got 44 kills its fair to say he dosnt even know the game well enough to know anything at this point

[karmic ivy]

You can't know that

[tidal moss]

I have to assume your being disingenuous

[karmic ivy]

You can only assume, and that is not a very good habit.

[brisk timber]

yea they know they are getting to play against 4* or 5*
But 3x6* is another level mate
even i see that and im usually one that shushes MMR complainers away

[karmic ivy]

5 star players play with 6 star players...

we all know this.

[tidal moss]

your trolling

[karmic ivy]

am I?

[brisk timber]

Yea but than it usually is like 3x5 vs 5/6/6 or something

thats okay

[tidal moss]

your saying the sky is green so yeah

[karmic ivy]

Let me tell you, since you seem to be confused. I am not trolling.

[tidal moss]

because no one could look at the data and actualy come to the conclusions your comming to

[karmic ivy]

Sure thing... rolls eyes

[brisk timber]

Do you really believe thats fair?

like comon man

[karmic ivy]

As I said... Fair enough...
I would not complain, you could say that.

[brisk timber]

Welp okay than

i think its a weird take but i guess that opinion is set here 😄

[tidal moss]

theirs really only 3 options. He believes it because he is not intelligent enough to read and comprehend whats being shown. I doupt that since he can type and read.

2 he's trolling for a response

or 3 he's just defending the game, and isn't interested in acknowledging anything that criticizes its.

[karmic ivy]

Only three huh?...

Again, you seem to be confused so Ill just plain tell you. It is simply my experience and opinion as a player of Hunt.

[brisk timber]

maybe you should just accept his opinion
its always cool to agree to disagree

[tidal moss]

I dont think they actually believe it since it's like he's telling me the sky is lemon aid but I accept thats the point hes sticking to.

[brisk timber]

🤷‍♂️ even more reason to not argue further

[tidal moss]

Yeah suppose you're right on that front.

[brisk timber]

I just hope Crytek listens - the matchmaking changes are a bit strange

im with you on that

[karmic ivy]

The general manager said they were looking to tweak it better.

[tidal moss]

you tweak things with minor issues. This thing needs a rebuild

[brisk timber]

Not really. its maybe one or two variable that needs to be changed and its good

[tidal moss]

but hopefully you're right that its atleast on their radar

[brisk timber]

The matchmaking MMR just works like in any other game

Its just not well tuned

[tidal moss]

What peice of media did you see that in.

[brisk timber]

Posted this before.
People always complained the last month over empty lobbies and such

So devs widened the MMR range to matchmake faster and fuller lobbies

Thats my guess tho

[tidal moss]

see its weird Ive never gotten an empty lobby

[brisk timber]

What actually could help is accepting 6* have to wait longer for matches and in general up the queue time some more
Players will bitch about waiting one or two minutes more for a game - but thats something one would have to accept for a fair match

[tidal moss]

I play on NAE so maybe thats why

While I dont get empty lobbies I get lots of Lopsided matches.

[brisk timber]

Its a problem. If you ask 100 players:
"You rather have full and fast matches or fair and full matches?"

50 say that and the other 50 this

[lavish grove]

Title: if the Sparks pistol enabled Avto, then nerfing the Avto directly is unnecessary
Description: For the record, I think nerfing the recoil is fine. But I'm asking myself how many players played Avto before the Sparks pistol existed. Only when it released I was thinking, finally the Avto becomes playable. I think the ammo pool of 28 (additional bullets) with dualwield is just insane, and 14 is already quite large for a side weapon with such a punch.
So the Sparks ammo pool could be nerfed to like.. 11? Which would indirectly nerf Avto loadouts as well (ignoring the upcoming ammo changes).

[lavish grove]

The uppercuts also gave the same amount of ammo

[tidal moss]

yeah

I miss when we had 2 modes

if you wanted fast but didnt care about ballance they had a group for you

[brisk timber]

Yea can be, i dont know if different regions are tuned differently aswell
In EU i barely have a problem on any front on prime time
Maybe USA is tuned more for action instead of fairness...its the land of the free tho 😄

[tidal moss]

if you cared about fair and didnt mind waiting they had a group for you

[tidal moss]

I dont know that they care enough to code the regions difrently

you cant make a skin of region spesific coding so likely not

[brisk timber]

Would make sense playerbases vary

[tidal moss]

"would make sense" now im certain they havent done it

[brisk timber]

The problem about anything Hunt related and having "varity" is that system with multiple choices always cuts the playerpool
thats why they struggle so much with wildcard aswell

You can cut the cake only so much before it falls apart

[tidal moss]

atleast the finnaly seem to be getting the message the majority of hunters dont like night maps

when im looking for cash i run the night maps. Empty Quiet Quick Money peak hours or not

[brisk timber]

yea i still dont think this system is great right now

They should just get rid of the red bar and set values for the queue

The queue should work way more dynamic in the way it assess how it creates matches

[onyx edge]

Avto was less common, you had to dump the uppercuts which was much better balance. Still needed tuning then tho too.

[lavish grove]

The sparks pistols was a shortcut

But yeah avtos did become more popular with the sparks pis

[unborn sandal]

Rakki while I agree with your solo mmr changes (in that solos shouldn’t get as much of an mmr reduction that they currently do) your change would basically remove the solo mmr reduction by making it harder to lose mmr. You might as well just say solos shouldn’t get an mmr reduction

[brisk timber]

Wait. No..?
I mean. Gameplay wise the concept playing against more but less skilled players is fine.

But if i play 1vs1 with a opponent on my rank and get killed i significantly lose less MMR than if i get killed from a lower ranked player. Even thought playing against two or three player increases the difficulty curve to maybe equal levels. Which in return doesnt get reflected in an MMR counter balance tho.

I think a solo shouldnt be punished for playing solo so to say. At least not that hard.

For ranking up you would still have to kill significantly more. When i kill an equally ranked player i probably still gain more MMR than by killing 3 guys two stars below.

[rotund obsidian]

two relatively simple solutions: remove solo mmr adjustment, or make it so the mmr after the solo adjustment is used when calculating mmr gain/loss.

[brisk timber]

Losses calcuated:
"Opponent vs Solo MatchMMR"
Gains calculated:
"Opponent vs Solo PlayerMMR"

That would be an easy solution indeed

[knotty ore]

If you put me in a game with a bunch of 4 stars, and I kill most of the lobby and die, I shouldn't lose MMR.

[limber star]

depends

use huntplayers.com

if the person you died to is way lower than your mmr score then you will lose a lot

[knotty ore]

Yeah, because frags require skill, right? So, I should be punished for being nade spammed after killing mostly everyone. Makes sense.

[limber star]

what is your point lol

[knotty ore]

Bad MMR system design needs complete rework

[unborn smelt]

You don't... Hunt uses an ELO system, so you start ar your MMR and get +X MMR for every kill you do, and -Y MMR for every time you get killed.

If you now kill 5 lower MMR people and only get +5MMR each (+25 MMR total) but die once to a lower skill guy and loose say -20 MMR you pverall szill got +5 MMR

[limber star]

yes frags require skill so get better positioning

you just acknowledged your weakness in that sentence now improve

[knotty ore]

no

[limber star]

then i hope you enjoy 4 star

[knotty ore]

6

[limber star]

the only things in this game that dont require any skill are dualies and other spam

without that the game would be way better

[knotty ore]

Lol, you at least need to aim dualies lol

[limber star]

aim and positioning baby

not really lol thats the whole point

[knotty ore]

Yes, yes you do

[royal grove]

did you not hear them light the frag?

[limber star]

oh you aimed in the general direction of someones head? headshot! thats not skill

[knotty ore]

Taking heavy bleeding from 10 damage they can hear where I am for the second nade.

[royal grove]

....so move again?

[limber star]

dudes tryna defend dualies but says he is 6 star 💀

[knotty ore]

Also pitcher is very good

Dualies are absolutely fine which is why almost no one runs them

Most 6 stars just run a single new army

its better

[royal grove]

dualies are mostly aimable idk what you mean on that

[unborn smelt]

Yeah it isn't, staying alive against someone shooting you because your dualies miss countless shots beforehand is a skill

[royal grove]

huh

[knotty ore]

Dualies are RNG. You can miss. 6 star New Army you can double tap someone insanely fast from good distance

[limber star]

lol what?

[knotty ore]

Its not even a comparison

[unborn smelt]

Yeah dualies are RNG outside of badically shotgun range

[wind stream]

Fualiea

[unborn smelt]

I hate you

[royal grove]

hang on we had a long ass conversation about this the other day

[unborn smelt]

And my phone keyboard

[limber star]

exactly rng is not skill

[knotty ore]

You can aim them to an extent, but you can't guarantee hits like you can with a new army

[wind stream]

the thing is if dualies were so good you would see single officers and new armies hipfired at greater distances

but you dont

[unborn smelt]

Staying alive long enough to make RNG do its thing is tho

[limber star]

LOL

hunt official never fails to make me laugh

so many terrible takes

[knotty ore]

When people complain about dualies I kind of laugh as I almost never see them at my MMR

lol

I haven't seem them outside of some gimp meme build with match 3.

[royal grove]

sometimes you get a lucky shot with an inaccurate gun
sometimes you're being inaccurate on purpose to have more survivability or more suppression
what are you confused by goop

[knotty ore]

Bornheim match 3 and two silenced nagants is fun so you can machine gun things at close distance as like a diet avtomat. Its fun, but its not a, "good" loadout lol

[unborn smelt]

The thing with dualies is they are very polarizing.
Most people don't remember the times a dualie player missed countless shots on em - but the saltyness when the dualie guy gets lucky stays a long time

[royal grove]

i haven't taken dual nagants since i was first prestige

im about to hit 6th

[unborn smelt]

I played a lot of dualies for 1.5 prestiges

[royal grove]

confirmation bias 100%

[knotty ore]

You don't use them, you just bank up ammo for your bornheim medium slot.

[unborn smelt]

Most of the time i wished i had smth that can ADS

But if they work its disgusting

[royal grove]

yup

[wind stream]

there is a reason you see less fanning too. There are some really good semi autos out there

and ads is way too good to lose out on

[royal grove]

i got some nasty shots earlier with a spitfire on fanning

and then missed a bunch i thought would be easy

[knotty ore]

Because New Army is way better than most pistols out there when you actually get good at using it. I never even run an uppercut anymore with any loadout

[unborn smelt]

Imo fanning is way stronger

[wind stream]

new army is legit the best close range pistol

[royal grove]

yep

[wind stream]

fanning is way stronger than dualies

but you still dont see it less than you used to

[unborn smelt]

Because you don't loose access to ADS

[wind stream]

since spitfire and new army

[unborn smelt]

But get the option to spam

[knotty ore]

Fanning just got too expensive and there are better perks to get first

[unborn smelt]

Fanning got more expensive because it got used so often

[royal grove]

i usually do silent killer and lightfoot and greyhound so i don't get fanning until third raid minimum

[knotty ore]

Yeah, its a good way to phase out a perk

[wind stream]

iron X, doctor and necro for me

[unborn smelt]

I still main melee

[royal grove]

never use necro, perfer physician, iron X is huge yeah

[knotty ore]

Dog Lungs, Cat Paws, Skeletal Doctor Hand. This is always my order unless I get Conduit and my buddy doesn't.

I'm sorry. Dude Tree.

[royal grove]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

which one is skeletal doctor hand

i'm dying lmao

[knotty ore]

Doctor.

lol

[royal grove]

very good lmao

[unborn smelt]

So i need necro, adrenaline greyhound, determination

Storm so stronk i got no internet - lul

[empty barn]

dauntless is all i need

[night perch]

Team Hornskin 🐢

(pls change it it sucks)

[hot vigil]

Hey it just got buffed bc of the new Hammer :v

[worthy knoll]

Doctor, Vulture (Play almost only Trios), the trait für my gun, packmule/Necro

[night perch]

Lets fucking go

[royal horizon]

yeah but there still are like three blunt weapons in the game versus the 10+ bladed weapons and variants

[night perch]

True

[deft frigate]

seriously ping exploit in this game must be solved...guy from china is running at me with a knife in a line and my 3 bullets + meele goes trough him? WTF?! only in H:S

[ripe basalt]

@limber star Please edit your suggestion post with a description to prevent it from being deleted. Ensure that it has enough detail to prevent it from being deleted as low effort. Thanks.

[karmic ivy]

you should try to record something like that. Three non registers plus a melee would be quite a problem.
But it won't do much good without something to work on. What you describe does not happen to me at all, and I suspect only happens to a handful of players. We need people who it is happening to, such as yourself to get the recordings.

[south nebula]

Hi, is it a bug or intended, that I can't unlock the medium centenniel versions atm? I did not finish the questline and now it is gone.

[little jackal]

it is intended, those variants will become available in regular weapon progression with 1.13 update

[light badge]

Soon™️ (we actually have no clue when that is)

[limber star]

lol did you really think that was necessary?

[ripe basalt]

Did I think what was necessary?

[limber star]

adding a description to that suggestion

the title explained it all

is it really that important that i put "Description: look at the title"

[ripe basalt]

It is important that the format follows the pinned rules in the channel. What is the point of having a description field is you say "Look at the title".

This falls under low effort. You can feel free to repost your idea with a description

[limber star]

ok watch me as i put this amazing and 100% totally necessary description

[ripe basalt]

Great

👍

[royal grove]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-wheeze-laugh-nikkal-kundhal-nikkalkundhal-gif-23223780

[limber star]

totally necessary thanks for pointing out that important rule break to me

seriously? thats still low effort? what the fuck am i supposed to put in the description then LOL

[royal grove]

they deleted it again

they probably want you to say why or what to do about it or whatever

[limber star]

they wonder why people do not like hunt official

[ripe basalt]

This would be correct. Why do you want this, what function does it serve, ect. We delete suggestions that are simply just a title. And if you title is the same thing as your description, word for word, it would be low effort.

[limber star]

is this preschool?

do i seriously need to explain that conduit gives 5 min of sstamina

[royal grove]

official discord moment

[limber star]

look i get it you are just trying to come off as powerful

[royal grove]

ideally it should transfer whatever the other guy had i would think

[limber star]

your "job" is to sit and read discord messages so what should i expect

[ripe basalt]

#game-ideas message

For reference.

[royal grove]

but that would probably take a lot of additional effort to implement

[limber star]

is that good?

i did my best to explain everything since these are extremely difficult concepts for you to grasp

[royal grove]

[somber glade]

@limber star that was a very high effort suggestion.

[analog willow]

Moderators are volunteers ❤️ They're just trying to inform you that your suggestion does not follow the correct format. In order for it to stay in that particular channel, your message will need to be full and correct so as to keep that particular message board formatted correctly. There are however, plenty of other channels to post your thoughts that do not require formatting if that's something you'd prefer ❤️

[limber star]

you werent here. trust me it was such a stupid situation that the mod created it was genuinely hilarious

just a typical power trip

[analog willow]

I'm always here

[analog willow]

Perhaps you were the one trying to make a power play? 😋 They're following the rules...

[limber star]

you hurt my brain blume

[normal horizon]

Suggestions are usually a lot more helpful when they contain more than just "x needs y"

Usually some form of explanation of why x would need y or why you believe it would improve what you think it would improve. This is why more info is being asked 🙂

[limber star]

but when it doesnt need an explanation it makes no sense to complain about it

[normal horizon]

why wouldn't it need an explanation

Its not very clear as to why you believe this would be a needed change

just that you would like this

I can certainly guess why but maybe some people think differently and it is hard to have a discussion without motivation 😄

[limber star]

its actually very clear i cant believe you think this kind of rule enforcement is normal for a public discord

[normal horizon]

alright, eitherway thank you for your suggestion

[worthy knoll]

Gigachad Suggestion, take my upvote. Hopefully this becomes the new Standard

[ripe basalt]

@jagged wagon What servers did you have this issue on?

[jagged wagon]

US east

[ripe basalt]

Thank you, will keep an eyeout of more reports.

[solar wraith]

So in the recent developer update, it was said that extra ammo for dual pistols will be nerfed to prevent avtomat spammers. Wouldn't a better solution be just to nerf just dual Sparks Pistols instead of bringing down the entirety of dual weilding? Because it's not like dual Uppercuts provide a lot of extra ammo and are about as useful as dual Sparks when disregarding whatever rifle you're trying to have said extra ammo for. Also, why drop ammo crate at Level 1 if you're trying to discourage that type of behavior? So many questions about those decisions; everything else seems on point; great game, great developer, devil's moon was legit, stoked for tide of shadows, just confused by nerfing all duals instead of just Sparks Pistol.

[little jackal]

yeah dualies will suffer a lot for avto's sins

[analog willow]

Ammo was always meant to be used sparingly in Hunt, and a player is always supposed to be aware of and concerned for their ammo and ammo resupplies. There were many builds that didn't feel this pressure.

There are specific changes happening to Avto to reduce it's effectiveness. The ammo change was not specifically for Avto balance, but is certainly something that would affect it.

As a prestige player, I'd love to have Ammo box at level 1 so I can play more builds at a lower level

[clever island]

Yeah, this change feels aimed at the "Quartermaster with dualies as ammo slave for primary" type of build

With goes a bit beyond the Avto.

[upper hearth]

sparks pistol wasn't the only offender. Avto just made it more obnoxious. As @analog willow said is great. I just want to add. quad dualie loadouts as bad as they are, are also stupidly strong when the rng is on their side. just spamming fmj for 5 minutes without repercussions was not an intended thing.

Crytek set this precendant back with dolch when they made it special ammo. People use to just bring a medium ammo rifle with dolch just as an ammo pool. Keep in mind the dolch we have now is nowhere near the monster it was back then.

[solar wraith]

Sure, Sparks isn't the only offender, but it is the most egregious. Besides, as @analog willow mentioned, the aesthetic of sparing ammo is important and was addressed by the ammo pickup nerfs, so why not just focus on the Sparks Pistol like they did the Dolce?

[worthy knoll]

great... since they are played so often

[upper hearth]

Most dualie loadouts i see are just for a larger ammo pool. I could see it in the future being reverted to you get 1.5 the ammo compared to the current 2x. and thus buffing it slightly over what the new change in 1.13 will be.

In the spirit of the game I think the change is in the correct direction though. This will make players have to sacrafice potential consumable choices for ammo boxes if they want a more spammy approach especiall with their long ammo.

The ammo resupply changes is also huge buff for a lot of weapons in every other category excluding long ammo. Plus that change is also an indirect buff to lebel.

[solar wraith]

With all the traits dedicated toward it, you'd think more people would, or that Crytek thought it as viable. This update firmly stands against that, though.

[upper hearth]

only amidextrious is dedicated to dualies unless i am missing something?

[worthy knoll]

I still think that this whole Update is too hard. It would have been sufficent to nerf the Avto some way.

Now a Lot of Guns suffer, the Henry for example has nothing going for it. Not even good Ammo replenish.

[upper hearth]

martini is my favorite long ammo rifle in the game, and I don't feel the same as you about that.

EDIT: better reload speed (better than sparks), reposte, and ironside options (making it a better mosin imo). You can run regular and fmj if you wanted to so you could get 4 ammo back on a restock or more with your own ammo box. It already had more ammo reserve than any other long ammo weapon in the game.

[solar wraith]

Only dedicated, sure, but indirectly Quartermaster and Bulletgrubber have a bit of dual pistols design in mind. Bit of a stretch, I know. Not as much as Bolt Thrower is, though.

[upper hearth]

bullet grubber doesnt work on dualies. but yes indirectly i will give you quartermaster

[solar wraith]

Yikes, memory may be off - got sucked into Diablo IV recently.

[upper hearth]

you good. a lot of people assume it works. which i know why. but imagine the animation for catching two bullets from like bornhiems or something LUL

[solar wraith]

Would be kinda cool, honestly.

Idea for Hunt 2? If it ever happens?

[upper hearth]

haha i have thought about it. also bornhiem is going to be less painful to run knowing you are going to get 8 or more back everytime you resupply now.

[solar wraith]

Ooh. Good point.

[upper hearth]

same for officer/carbine. and medium ammo weapons getting 5+ back. its actually going to make those weapons less dependant on needing another weapon to help with ammo pool.

also no longer needing to waste quartermaster on feeling like you need to run dualies on like carbine if you wanted max ammount of ammo. now you can run that with a shotgun. bow, or whatever and always get 8 bullets back for your carbine.

[royal grove]

ubermensch — Today at 9:53 PM
Title: Are trip wire traps an evolutionary dead end?
i trap bodies constantly

[light badge]

wait are flash bangs just proximity? have I been looking like an idiot spinning 180 whenever flashbombs are going out thinking that's somehow going to get me my sight back faster? xD

<- thought they were just really inconsistent

[unborn sandal]

No flash bombs don’t give a shit about such novelties as looking at the thing that blinds you. They’ll blind your eyes straight through your brain and skull

[light badge]

Wow they should uhhh change that

[unborn sandal]

no shit

[karmic ivy]

@tribal wyvern The servers run great here. 2.5 years in Hunt, no trouble like you describe... I think its going too far to claim its effecting everyone in the world.

[hot vigil]

EU servers are shitting themselves atm, worse than ever in 2 years. And this have been a thing no matter the day of the week or time of day for the past 2-3 weeks.

[worthy knoll]

I will still Play it.
Amd yes i forgot the riposte. But still it gets the Same amount as the Sparks. All in all i am Just not Happy With These Changes

[alpine fractal]

@gleaming crown repost your post it has no ratings. I wanna thumbs it up

[gleaming crown]

done

[brisk timber]

@gleaming crown

looks to me like Wormbite

atleast close enough

[gleaming crown]

dont think its him

the guy on the cover has more beard

[bleak fable]

Thanks mate, I didnt know 😄

[karmic ivy]

Ill be willing to bet that when you are having trouble in the EU, I will be able to connect to the same server and play fine. What do you make of that? I would even be willing to test the theory at some point if you would like.

[karmic ivy]

@sick delta Try to get into the trusted lobbies 😉

[hot vigil]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to prove

[distant quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/im-just-a-worm-labyrinth-gif-4847586

Yes it's me, wormbite

[brisk timber]

@sour kayak
The idea and banner is cool.
But its prey

[brisk timber]

The EU servers for me, my friends and many other EU players are shit. Its maybe not the servers themselfes but some routing problem like explained before in lengthy discussion. But at that point i just dont care.

If crytek wants their online multiplayer game to be played they have to find a solution to stabilize the connection.

[sour kayak]

dumb me, did it real fast XD sorry fixed 😛 thanks

[sour kayak]

Would love that you could add images to coments after you did the comment, i deleted the post when had like 7 likes XD and now it have 2 dislikes XD

[brisk timber]

#feedback message
@last blaze
Hm you sure? I think a slug would penetrate a wall better than flechettes. In my mind flechettes would get stuck in wood like little arrows.

[last blaze]

slugs back then were made of cast lead and would flatten like a pancake as soon as they hit just about anything

[brisk timber]

Hm i still think flechette wouldnt penetrate at all

[last blaze]

where is this from

[unborn smelt]

To be fair slugs now and slugs back then may make a very significant diffrence.

[brisk timber]

The internet™️
I dont have scientific sources

[unborn smelt]

ofc a slug should definetly penetrate the thin wooden walls we have in hunt tho

[last blaze]

there is plenty of videos of them going through Kevlar on the internet but those are not made in 1880s

[unborn smelt]

but a bit of wood won't do you much good in stopping a solid lead slug either

[last blaze]

It's cast lead even if it did pen for what ever reason it would be almost flat when it got out the other end and would in no way be able got kill anyone

[unborn smelt]

I'm fairly certain you're massively wrong on that part

[last blaze]

and assuming the load is with black powder then it would not be able to pen at all

[unborn smelt]

being flat doesn't make it bad at killing

[last blaze]

It does

[unborn smelt]

not really - no

[last blaze]

it would be extremely slow and the drag of both the wood and the air on a round disk would make it slow enough to be non lethal

[unborn smelt]

not in the context given

[unborn smelt]

i very much doubt that it would make it slow enough to be non lethal

There is a huge amount of force in a projectile as heavy as a slug

[last blaze]

there is a reason penny shot in the game can't pen anything

lead is soft most of the energy will be used up deforming the round

any energy left would be lost to drag and the fact it just hit a wall

[unborn smelt]

yes but those are flat from the moment they are shot

which means they loose a tonn of energy early on because they tumble basically from the moment they leave the barrel

a slug is basically a really heavy solid projectile until the moment it hits something

that's a very big diffrence

also why slugs IRL are good - but flechettes really aren't

[brisk timber]

Ok then lets just say its Hunt: Showdown and not reality.
We have avtomat.
So we have slugs made of casehardened steel.
End.

[last blaze]

XD

true but avto need removing it's not even real

[brisk timber]

Fire ammo certainly isnt real aswell

Poison bullet? Doubt.

Scrapbeak? Not real.

[last blaze]

I guess but they're lore friendly

[brisk timber]

I guess its a bit of a fantasy game

[last blaze]

the avto removes fun from the game

[brisk timber]

Hardened slugs could be some early invention of Hunting lodge aswell.

Im just saying.

[last blaze]

shotguns are stronge enough without being able to one shot through walls with two ammo types

hard slugs or not It's just not great balance

at the very least they should get reduced damage through walls so they can't one hit

[karmic ivy]

I was trying to bring light to the fact that the servers themselves are probably fine, since there are those of us who play without trouble. Its more likely routing issues.

[hot vigil]

So you saying it is on my end?

[brisk timber]

Neither.

[unborn smelt]

well meh.

Shotguns really need that OHK capability because they otherwise don't have much going for them

[karmic ivy]

no, the problem is between you and the server, the infrastructure carrying your data.

[last blaze]

yes just not through walls

[unborn smelt]

a shotgun works fine inside it's OHK range - which is about 15m max, after that it kinda sucks

[brisk timber]

If i understand the last discussions correctly the problem is the routing and some providers that are responsible for that. Out of control of Crytek or is Players. Like telecom or som shit idk

But still. Crytek somehow needs to sort this out because game is unplayable at times.

[unborn smelt]

I think it's absolutely fine through walls too.

it's not like shotguns get a good pen value

they are the bottom of the barrel compared with anything that can actually pen

buckshot has the weakest pen values afaik, slugs are on the level of compact ammo pen wise

[hot vigil]

Aha, well, just know I used to have 0 problems with hunt.
Past 3 weeks, I and the friends I've played with from all over Europe, have had the same rubber-banding/packet loss isssues.
So dunno, seems like to be on the cryteks end.

[karmic ivy]

What if I told you neither I (when I play with them) nor my two friends in the EU have the problems?

[last blaze]

well I guess we will never agree

[unborn smelt]

👍

[hot vigil]

Then I'm very happy for them.
But that doesn't negates the fact that I have had these issues and my friends have had these issues.
And multiple other have voiced they have had that issue.

[unborn smelt]

you have Telekom as an ISP by any chance

[hot vigil]

Nope

[karmic ivy]

I think if the server was the problem, we would all share in the trouble.

[last blaze]

I've been playing on US servers from EU and I have noticed much problem

[brisk timber]

We can argue all day.
But it doesnt change the fact that players who cant establishe a stable connection cant really play the game.

And thats a crytek problem at the end of the day.

[last blaze]

I have noticed server problems that all of my team has had at the same time but it's never for that long

[unborn smelt]

It may be, but crytek may be unable to fix it.

I've had issues in hunt for ages but it's with my ISP so crytek cant do anything

which is also why i asked if they are with Telekom

[brisk timber]

I know thats unfortunate tho. But doesnt change that crytek is the one whos expected to fix because its their prpduct

[hot vigil]

Again, I would agree if it only I had the issue, but it ain't, it is all my friends all over Europe.
More so, I fail to see how it is on my end when I haven't changed my provider nor bandwidth the past 6 years.

[brisk timber]

i say that with the most neutrality in mind

[unborn smelt]

well but peoples expectations aren't always right. It doesn't exactly make a lot of sense to say " my ISP routes data shitty - fix xour game"

which i'd need to do in my case

the game works just fine - there just is an unresponsive node where my ISP routes my data

[brisk timber]

As i understand its not something a customer can influence aswell?

[unborn smelt]

I tried

isn't resolved yet

[queen jungle]

Much more red internet warning symbol and all that comes with it problems last few weeks in hunt.
Europe player

[brisk timber]

I see. Hm does provider change help?

[unborn smelt]

only other thing i could do is try to use a VPN to have my data routed diffrently

[unborn smelt]

I could but where i am they are all more expensive for shittier connections

which is massively unfortunate

[brisk timber]

i just wonder that so many europeans complain. Sounds like the routing node sits close to server site?

[unborn smelt]

yeah i'm sure crytek are looking into the recent uptick of server propblem reports

[unborn smelt]

yeah

[hot vigil]

They complain bc it didn't used to be an issue and now is :v

[unborn smelt]

last node before entering cryteks server providers responsibility

but node is still on my ISP's side

according to traceroute

my ping basically jumps from 20 to 160 at that node

[hot vigil]

https://packetlosstest.com/
I used this to test if it was on my end.

At least when it comes to packet loss, which is what is currently plaguing my games

[unborn smelt]

It doesn't necessarily have to be on your side - there is an uptick in reports for server issues

[brisk timber]

For me its everything.
Packetlos. Server latency.
Every number goes red yellow every now and then

[hot vigil]

Well, I know it ain't my side, but someone here wants to gaslight me, so I need to prove my point :b

[hot vigil]

Eyup, the Hamster doesn't feel well.

[unborn smelt]

I'm not sure how this prooves it ain't on your side - but neiter can the others proove it is indeed on your side

first and foremost it's a report that needs to be investigated

In my case i can connect to most games just fine. i only have issues in DMZ and Hunt

which one could interpret as it's not on my side - but having done a traceroute i know exactly which node is unresponsive and that one is before entering cryteks serverproviders infrastructure

[hot vigil]

That is a fair point, but still again, bit frustrating to get dismissed when one reports on problems.
Ofc not from you.

[brisk timber]

To be fair the routing would be probably different if crytek used other server provider

The one they use doesnt have good reputation anyway it seems

[unborn smelt]

I absolutely understand

👍

[karmic ivy]

I specifically said its not on your end. Its in the middle. unfortunately. I think if it was on our end, or cryteks end, it would have been fixed by now.

[brisk timber]

@odd crow your suggestion bugged out. No option to vote. Delete and make a new one.

[odd crow]

thank you

its importnat suggestion

[queen jungle]

If the reactions to vote don't show up, that usually means the person has blocked the bot for some reason.

[little jackal]

well, I like how flashes work

the trick is to bring them yourself

preferrably as many as possible

they were unreliable before, but now, pure joy

[hardy coral]

Remove them pls...

[unborn dagger]

No

Bring all flashbombs

[crystal plume]

I want them removed from common loot sources so that people need to commit to the flashes they bring in instead of restocking 2 more after throwing one

Should only be in the new saddle bags since they have unique loot pools for consumables already

[little jackal]

fine by me

[unborn dagger]

Ye same

I'm surprised that you can find something like a concertina bomb tho in sniper towers

[brisk timber]

@last blaze make it 1slot as a budget uppercut. Then you got me!

[frozen crater]

what if you keep it as 2 slots but keep the price reduced so its more accessible financially but less accessible trait-point wise

[brisk timber]

Personally that would take away the purpose. The long barrel pax idea is specifically to have a 1slot sidearm that works like an uppercut but with medium ammo. So a budget version.

This would also open up a usecase niche for pax between all the pistols.

From a consistency standpoint it doesnt even make sense for it to be 2 slot when the uppercut exist and it beeing stockless.
Could just be a cool pax variant.

[frozen crater]

except youre not taking into account powercreep

[brisk timber]

What powercreep?
The uppercut exists.

[frozen crater]

you need something to differentiate it from the uppercut so as to not have the pax be almost as effective without as much cost, or you risk the pax being better/too similar to the uppercut

[brisk timber]

Medium ammo? Hello?

[frozen crater]

if this hypothetical pax would do significantly less damage than the uppercut because of medium ammo alone, then whats the point of bringing it?

I would assume a pax with such a huge barrel would do increased damage

[brisk timber]

The stability and hs range.
A side arm to a shotgun or xbow.

[analog willow]

@worthy plank Just read your suggestion "To show God's displeasure"😂 😂 😂

[brisk timber]

Long barrel pax literally a budget uppercut.

Would be nice.

[frozen crater]

the only one of these would make sense would be a stability buff, as the uppercuts long ammo would definitely outpace its range and they both would function as a good sidearm to close range weapons

[worthy plank]

I mean, a Cain with a rock? I think we all know what he did.

[brisk timber]

That why im saying headshot range.

Its different from general dmg dropoff.

[frozen crater]

good weapon design would not take into account budgeting, but a way to differentiate a gun from what would traditionally be considered its superior

[frozen crater]

there hasnt been a precedent of medium ammo weapons having higher headshot range than long-ammo weapons if theyre the same slot. dont know if changing that for the sake of a long pax alone would be worth it

[analog willow]

Wow, that went completely over my head😂 I was laughing at the Cain hate

[brisk timber]

Uppercut is a general strong pistol with penetration and good body dmg range.

The long barrel pax would be a decend pistol but with good headclicking potential. But it lacks uppercut long ammo upsides.

So its different and still has a purpose.

[brisk timber]

Who saids higher ffs?

[worthy plank]

I got the biblically canon jokes

[brisk timber]

Im talking like 100-120m ?

What is uppercut? 127m ?

[frozen crater]

if youre not saying the long pax should have better headshot range than the uppercut then the long pax would just be an inferior uppercut in every way (except maybe rof/ammo).

[brisk timber]

Special ammo. Price.

Its supposed to be an uppercut light for headclicking. Thats basically the thought.

[frozen crater]

imo, if you introduce a weapon that competes with another weapon (like this hypothetical long pax/the uppercut), it should compete in a far different manner than just by being cheaper

[brisk timber]

Ok

[frozen crater]

thats why it would be cool if the pax was a 2 slot but significantly cheaper. it would also make sense for it to have better stability this way

[brisk timber]

Wouldnt make no sense. Useless.

Nobody would play it.

We have carbines already.

[frozen crater]

why go long pax if I could go uppercut if theyre both the same slot lmao

[brisk timber]

Difference of 200$ or so

Special ammo

Enough arguments for me

Less recoil

Better ammo supply

Need more?

[frozen crater]

its too bad were committing brainpower to a hypothetical gun instead of actual debates surrounding existing guns

like the OG martini vs sparks

[frozen crater]

less of an argument and more of a debate

bro posted 2 more points after said he was done lmao

[brisk timber]

Ok

[unborn sandal]

Sparks is better because you can unlock the sparks pistol

[brisk timber]

I swear why everyone wanna make pax with a long barrel 2 slot when a fuckin uppercut is 1slot

Makes noooo freakin sense

[frozen crater]

its still on his mind 💀

[brisk timber]

And? This channel and #game-ideas is what that is all about?
You start making this personal for whatever reason

And if we are on the topic:
Theres is no logical explanation why a long barrel Pax should be 2-Slot when the Uppercut isnt.

Make the Uppercut 2slot? Fine.

But otherwise i see no reason.

[little jackal]

curious how this 2-slot pistol holding is gonna look

[brisk timber]

it just makes no sense.

I mean. Sure you can hold it like in one hand and rest the handle in the second hand like you do with any other gun in rl
But ingame wise theres just no need for it to make it 2-Slot

If we can hold a fuckin Uppercut long ammo in one hand

[little jackal]

if it's similar to shotty handcannons with one hand being under the barrel, it sounds a bit traumatic

especially with the suggested pax

[brisk timber]

Uppercut would break your wrist i guess.

[unborn sandal]

The colt navy revolver (the weapon the uppercut is based on) has a 7.5 inch barrel length. The colt buntline, what the pax buntline would be based on, has a 16 inch barrel

[brisk timber]

And?

I would still argue that you would hold a Uppercut two handed before you would hold this gun two handed for the sheer heavyness and recoil of an uppercut.

[unborn sandal]

Just because you don’t like two slot weapons doesn’t mean you need to project it on everyone else

the buntline would be balanced by its slots

[brisk timber]

Just because you dont like it beeing 1 slot doesnt need to make up bogus reason for it to be 2 slot.

[unborn sandal]

Something that many guns are balanced by

[brisk timber]

Theres not even balance reasons to make it 2 slot

When the uppercut is like better in everything but 1 slot

[craggy pike]

If the sparks pistol, as long as it is, can be a pistol I don't see why a long barrel pax would be anything but a single slot

[brisk timber]

Thank you.

[craggy pike]

The main point of a two slot gun is that you still need two hands to operate it, besides the UpperMat being the silly exception

[brisk timber]

this would be a 2-Slot

[craggy pike]

For sure

[brisk timber]

1 slot

hahaha

the longbarrel pax becoming a meme 😄

love it

[vernal haven]

Devs are going to be confused lol

[brisk timber]

I dont care. Aslong as they make it 1 slot.

[vernal haven]

@solid crest I think this is going to be especially necessary, because of the fact that challenges are going to be the only regular method of acquiring BBs. Without your suggestion, they'll be punishing prestigers even more than they have.

[brisk timber]

Why do people downvote to make challenges easier for people?

If youre new or prestige your basically screwed out sometimes to finish some quests

its a stupid design.

[solid crest]

@brisk timber there were 6 down votes as soon as I posted not sure what that is about

[brisk timber]

Dont tell anyone please but... i feel like humans are very often very unreasonable. Especially the ones on a certain Hunt discord :x

@unborn sandal @frozen crater
#game-ideas message

[solid crest]

its ok we can still love them

[frozen crater]

bro you are taking a debate over whether a buntline should be 1 or 2 slots super personally

take it less seriously and it would be easier to have discussions over things you disagree with

[brisk timber]

What?
thats some extravaganza reverse psychology you doin there
bro posted 2 more points after said he was done lmao
its still on his mind 💀
Im here to argue and discuss stuff - you took a hard counter stance while making it personal.

[frozen crater]

1st thing I said was valid

second thing was out of pocket, sorry for that

[brisk timber]

Its cool you can say that. appreciate it.

[frozen crater]

I severely misunderstood and thought you were referencing me when you brought up the convo again

then I checked #game-ideas and saw a bunch of others had the same idea you were referencing

myb

[brisk timber]

dang moderators did moderating in the #game-ideas channel haha

half the fun is gone 😄

[willow peak]

lol can't have fun in suggestions i guess

[proud narwhal]

@obtuse nest you can shoot one at a time, just hold down the fire button

it will shoot whatever the next guns shot is, and fire it without the other one

[hardy coral]

Springfield should get HV. That'd give it a good niche. 735 M/S muzzle velocity would be great.

[fast wing]

Re: Torrential Rain suggestion. Maybe rain picks up with time the closer you get to 0 on the timer?

[vernal haven]

@fast wing For the item slots, you can, once you're in a match, move the item you're holding to a different slot by holding the number you want it in. I definitely agree that it would be nice to be able to manage that in the menu, though.

[chilly nova]

So much gameplay lag even when both me and my opponent are low latency. Shouldn't be like this

[fast wing]

that's huge. thanks :)

[brisk timber]

If you go backwards while opening a door it opens inwards.
Another cool little trick!

[fast wing]

i knew that but i forgot. also semi-huge. tanks

keep em coming bois

[analog willow]

You can punch open doors too

[fast wing]

ok i didnt know that but i do not see the utility

[analog willow]

Little faster than opening with F (also satisfying😋 )

[royal grove]

way faster

have died at least once but probably twice to missing the door melee and use animation taking too long

[pliant latch]

It would really swell if Concentrina wire didn't hit you through the floor when you're standing above it.

Losing a fight to a bug is extremely frustrating

[royal grove]

HanHan — Today at 7:01 PM
Why is there no clear counter to solo necro, besides sitting and waiting until they burned out. You can't even deathtrap them and be sure that they won't ever get up again. It's just a pain in the ass especially in duos, when theres three solos running around with necro. It's not even broken, it's just really fucking annoying to the point where I wish I could exclude them from my games.
i completely agree

[brisk timber]

I cant point enough to my suggestion to make selfrevive a token that is replenished by looting a dead hunter.
Wouldnt even mind having this for everyone and not just solos.

Going down 1 time? Allrite.
Second time? Youre out.
Only red skull revive.

Could even make this a rule for solos that unlimited revives only with bounty in posession.

[alpine fractal]

@fast wing you can just unequip the item on the hunter and then equip it on the slot you want

[obtuse nest]

What do you mean?

[unborn dagger]

I'm sorry but it's funny seeing people just go and upvote their own suggestions lol

[brisk timber]

Ive made the observation that suggestions ofte swing in the direction of which is already voted most on.
So not a bad idea to have a headstart 😉

Didnt work out this time tho it seems 😄

[unborn dagger]

I mean I've seen multiple people do it doesn't seem to work as often. Besides the whole up and down voting never seems to matter since incendiary ammo on one tapping suggestion i made was down voted heavily and it still got put in.

[unborn sandal]

They swing in the way of what the people that see it think of it

[brisk timber]

Oh you really think? People are susceptible to social prejudices

And sometimes straight up too lazy to read

If an idea has already 10 up or down votes people are more likely tp follow the trend

Ofc this doesnt mean that what is suggested has no meaning. But a tendency has an effect on the opinion building

[proud narwhal]

Next time you play dualies, hold down the fire button

Only one pistol will shoot

And it will fire automatically so long as your holding it down

[unborn sandal]

the point of the suggestions channel is to see what people think of your idea. You aren’t farming Reddit karma. Getting more thumbs up doesn’t make you better than other people

[brisk timber]

What

Tell that yourselfe
You seem to still be salty about the pax 1slot thing.

Im upvoting to get a positive bias rolling for my idea i would like to see implemented.

You making this about thumbs up boosting ego shit tells more about you honestly.

Im off bb

[unborn sandal]

I’ve suggested the buntline before. I have an idea of what features it would have and I personally would like to see a two slot pistol that’s fannable. That’s not to say my opinion is right, but going around insulting people for having an opinion that differs from yours seems ridiculous to me

[brisk timber]

Nobody insulted anyone - you just feel insulted maybe. Thats a difference.

[deep slate]

Any chance we can get a draw distance update on Console? I'm a little tired of invisible barrels, sacks or walls blocking shots when they should connect.

[unborn dagger]

They said they'll give PS5 and XSX an upgrade once they get the engine upgrade into hunt.

[analog willow]

@limber star I'm lvl 47 with everything unlocked for Xbow and HC myself

I have trouble completing the Mosin tree myself. I rarely use it, but it'd be nice to be able to play my mosin variant and Avto skins during my Prestige journey. I could probably grind out an Avto unlock in time to use it, but I don't think I'd want to run mosin that much to unlock it. Perhaps that's by design😋 Enough Avto's and Mosin's out there already

[light badge]

simply need a friend that doesn't prestige that feeds you whatever guns you want to play before you have access to them xD

[alpine fractal]

@limber star the crossbow xp isnt even that hard to unlock

U just need to use ur crossbow more to get final blows to zombies, bosses, hives ect

[tribal wyvern]

Guess someone need to restart the servers. Everything is completly broken right now.
Can't load out of a game or into a game without a few min extra. Everything laggs in the menu.

Can't buy shit even

[rotund obsidian]

@prime ibex The berthier can't really use the aperture toggle binding since it needs that to switch ammo types

[queen jungle]

You guys need to balance solo revive. You get a huge bonus to XP and cash for playing solo due to the risk, now that SOLO play is OP and most of the time without risk... why not remove the bonus as it serves no purpose anymore? You can literally just revive yourself 3-5 times and most of the time I never see myself getting burned and I 90% of the time manage to extract with or without a bounty. Either make it 1 chance to revive and 1 only or just remove the solo bonus. This is not balanced at all lol, I've found that I'm much more likely to profit and amass money and weapons by playing solo than I am playing in a team. The risk factor that should be in Hunt is completely gone when you play solo and have Necro.

Even removing the bonus, solo revive is extremely potent for only 4 trait points. Make it a separate trait that costs 15 points. I dont know, this is just so OP, Playing Solo sniper is so easy.

[crystal plume]

[keen oak]

I see people are coping hard about solo revive

[dull mason]

I mean yeah, solo sniper is really easy to farm exp/money/kda/MMR etc. on. But that's not a solo thing, it's a sniper thing. You can just as easily be a nuisance from 200m as a trio

[prime ibex]

They can simply separate the key binds for Ammo Switch and Weapon Toggle. It's gonna happen eventually when they're going to require it in the future.

[unborn dagger]

For console they could map the ammo switch to holding square.

[prime ibex]

Ye

[hardy coral]

The health cost to red revives and the fact they get up with only 50 health is fine to me. If you allow them to consistently happen that's on you.

The issue is more towards the regen shots since they can allow you to pop them with basically no cost overall.

[upper hearth]

@sour kayak Handcross bow is getting a firebolt with the event.
Also, chaos bolts are actually super fun and useful. I do the following like once every couple months. I bring handcross bow with only chaos bolts and a sniper or marksman. Shoot the chaos bolts to drag aggro players into the open who are chasing shots. I then pick them apart once I drop them into an open field and I am in a some other location 150-200+meters away. Chaos bolts are more believable than the bombs. So I always get one time to investiage if not multiples.

Second, choke bolts are fun. If I am running handcross bow in a regular loadout. I bring them with poison or regular bolts. I do not bring choke bombs. They are better putting a teammate out when they are a floor above you, or in the wide open. You spend less time exposing yourself to enemy hunters and the bolt sticks to walls and ceilings. Elimating the need to airburst them to get a teammate out of fire in different situations.

[tribal wyvern]

Tell me you do not play solo without telling me you don't play solo.

[brazen hull]

I dont know, its not so fun anymore; you just get shot from poison or incendiary all the time; I think all the special ammos should get a BIG nerve

[tribal wyvern]

The special ammo JUST became relevant like a few patches ago.
I think the incendiry/bleed as it comes now in 1.13 will be, interesting to say the least.

But special ammo is hardly OP now in 1.12

Nor do they require a nerf

[graceful harness]

lately rubberbanding on servers. no warning icons 9/10 times and normal ping. on eu servers. cheers

[tidal moss]

@midnight moon Hi I was just curious why you disliked my idea? I'm hopeful to improve it and would appreciate your feedback