feedback-discussion

[worthy knoll]

Ok. I can Go further. There is the Shorty. Also 6 shots, 120 dmg, better muzzle Velocity and a 2 Slot AND medium Ammo. It has direct competition that outclasses it.

More Guns Just for fun are Just bloat. Every gun needs a niche. Even If this niche is "X but cheaper and With am additional drawback".
Your Argument is based in fun, and i too want this gun. But I want it to be Played and Not rot away in everybodys stash.

[unborn sandal]

I mean the real niche is 2 slot fanning

That’s something we don’t have

That this gun would bring

Having it do insane damage or range would just get it nerfed into the ground

Better to start off balanced

[worthy knoll]

Most likely worse fanning than a regular Pax. The Shorty has levering too.

Also better to start overpowered and get some nerfs. But thats a Matter of opinion.

2 Slot fanning ist Not really an Upgrade since you can do that with 1 slot. Its basically a downgrade in that regard.

[karmic ivy]

@arctic hemlock I don't think a region lock is something Hunt wants to do. Hunt is an international game and always will be.
Just some advice, don't believe everything you hear about "ping abuse" in fact go look it up on youtube. It has been shown to be a myth by more than one experimenter.

[glad shard]

i love the idea of a Springfield pistol, something ive wanted and asked for a long time. hope it comes through.

[rugged wigeon]

region lock does need to happen though, the eu server is infested with players from china, most of which have vac bans on record and make almost impossible shots on brand new account. ive been playing since early acess and its never been this bad before. region lock needs to happen

[karmic ivy]

Don't let fear of cheaters ruin your fun.
#hunt-general message

[deft frigate]

just a quick message - EU servers still sucks and flashbombs tags me trough trees and shit and also hit reg is still not working! - solution - fix your game!

[rugged wigeon]

i dont usually but this last week has been ridiculous.

[tired barn]

Can we get resilliance nerfed? Its annoying having to spend almost all ammunition and equipment to make sure they stay dead

[turbid ridge]

concertina wire traps

put 2 down if you only put 1 they'll survive

a concertina bomb works too

they won't be able to get out 100% if they're smack dab in the middle of the wires

[tired barn]

Yesterday i had to deal with one who came back 5 times

[twin smelt]

Just an idea. Can we make using flare guns count towards the fire bomb line? It falls under the light and fire category so I don't see why not.

[tired barn]

And fusees too

[rugged wigeon]

@potent foxIm pretty sure the shooting range is on their new road map

[wind quest]

why sometimes, my crouch button becomes toggle when im using hold? this happens after climbing up or down ladders. cost me a one way ticket to the lobby

[frigid grail]

I’m sure this has been addressed many times, so I’m not going to harp on it too much. I started playing around 3 weeks ago, I’ve put in about 300 hours. Maybe a little less. First off I’d like to say I am loving this game. The concept is great. The guns are great. It’s very refreshing from other games out there rn. Overall been a great experience. The only main things I’ve seen that I’m curious if anything is being done about (or if it’s my side of things a way for me to fix it) is 1. The game takes a while to render in. And even after it’s rendered in (referring to actually being in a match) things still randomly disappear and reappear like walls, hay bales, roofs of buildings, etc. I’ve even had ads randomly spawn out of thin air in front of or nearly on top of me. 2. There seems to be some pretty decent issues with hit registration. I have several clips that I went back and slowed down to just make sure I wasn’t missing, and it is very obvious I shot them, at least from my pov. But no hit marker. Other times I’ve hit people well within the range of the weapon to deal full damage, and while I got hit markers they took almost no damage. Example- I was using a Romero 77 normal variant, normal ammo. I shot a guy multiple times from between 6-11 meters. The numbers I remember seeing on the damage report on death was 4/8/6. One shot was to his arm but the other two were in the chest. Is this a hit registration issue or something else? Any advice or info would be great:)

[lunar fiber]

Is it just me and my pardners, or have the servers been especially shit today and yesterday? Unplayable, no matter where we go (UK based, tried EU, Russia, and US East)

[supple narwhal]

they are worst since monday 24 patch, unplayable

[supple narwhal]

Its been a mojor isssue since days one, real man will call it bugs and server problem, fanboy will call it "it never happend to me" or "git gud"

[knotty ore]

When it comes to buckshot, if you hit them with the edge of your spread, you will get a hitmarker, but do very little damage.

[frigid grail]

That makes sense, but I aimed center mass. So the spread should have hit pretty well at that range, no? Is it pretty random on how the spread is?

[hot vigil]

So, the render can partly be fixed with the right settings, think it is tied to object quality.
For the miss hits and whatnot, I've seen many cases of people being sure they had a confirmed hit or hit people point blank in the chest and most often, 95% of the time it is people not hitting/not understanding how damage works in this game.

[frigid grail]

Some of them I def missed when I thought I hit them. So i took to clipping those moments to improv my gameplay and there are times where I for sure should have hit but didnt

any reccomendations for the obj quality setting?

[hot vigil]

Then I recommend to enable performance stats in your options menu, maybe there is weird packet loss or other shenanigans going on.

[frigid grail]

I have that active already. I play US east and my ping usually holds steady at 70 ish.

[hot vigil]

Crank it to max to avoid pop-in, crank it to low to be able to see Hunters standing in unrendered towers.

[hot vigil]

Well, then I dunno what it could be without reviewing the footage myself.

[frigid grail]

gotcha. I will try upping it a bit. It was fine when I first started playing and then this past week or so it started being weird.

I can send you one of the clips if you want. Some of the shots miss but some should have hit and just didnt unless I am blind

[hot vigil]

Sure sure :)

[odd geyser]

@crude karma watch lonely howl trailer

Very nice 👍

[crude karma]

wait they did a lonely howl trailer?

[odd geyser]

Yeyeyey

Guess who dies!

https://youtu.be/-VzX8czuApI

[crude karma]

well

could always have more cathartic moments

[raw ice]

Theres another avto man who dies in 1:32 while trying to rush a trio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19T_j1CFSQ

bro thought he was rachta Z 💀

[crude karma]

damn

i need to be watching their trailers more closely

cant believe im missing all these avto deaths

[odd geyser]

Peak cinema

[knotty ore]

Its hard to say, I'd have to see a video. Spread isn't random really. Its always in the center of your crosshair.

[karmic barn]

the changes they made to make footsteps easier to tell if they are above/below have been terrible. never heard so many footstep misqueues.

[karmic ivy]

Interesting that you think that. I am not having any trouble tracking people by noise.

[vivid tinsel]

i think that depends on the quality of the headphones . i play with ps5 new headset and its awfull . My friend uses another compatible and get better results. The questions is to ask devs or QA team which headset are they using to match the criteria

[karmic ivy]

This question has been asked and the answer was use stereo headphones with the volume up as high as you can enjoy. With that said use only stereo mode.

[vivid tinsel]

yeah thats true i found that increasing the audio helps but damage my ears i have tinitus and is not recomended to get it that high . The headphones in gneral always recomend to use 80% of the volume so quality of hardware is key for people with bad ears like mine haha

[karmic ivy]

Hunt uses binaural audio. So avoid surround sound or anything that manipulates the audio signal.

[vernal haven]

It is a known issue that people in other buildings will now sometimes sound like they're above you in yours. When they actually are in yours, it sounds great, but that inconsistency kind of makes it moot.

[karmic ivy]

I have yet to have that happen

[vernal haven]

I've only had it twice, but it absolutely is a thing

[crystal plume]

!engine @vivid tinsel

[marsh garden]

Update to Cryengine 5.11 is in the works, will include DX12 and native current gen console support, more details here - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2292

[unborn dagger]

It happens to me quite a few times

[karmic ivy]

I have had 0 problem tracking people by noise. Its one of the best features of Hunt and I use it every time I play. Its a strange thing that you have so much trouble with it.

[unborn dagger]

It's not that I have trouble tracking people It's that the new sound effect for the footsteps crytek added hasn't exactly been accurate

[frigid grail]

Not a complaint about gameplay or really a complaint in general, just a suggestion/ wish. Can we get some more weapon skins? Preferably more of the occult like nature. Just anything dark and spooky or occultish in nature would be really cool. There’s a few in the game that are kinda down that avenue but it would be really cool to see the game play into the sculptures darkness and corruption aspect more with the skins. I wish I was a good enough artist to draw some suggestions. If I can make any that are worth posting I will do so. If this is already in the works or has been addressed feel free to let me know.

[frigid grail]

I have been messing with my audio a lot can you give me some tips? I found something that seems to work pretty well but my teammates will call out footsteps a mile away and I don’t hear them for another second or two and have no idea what I’m doing wrong

[karmic ivy]

Maybe. I say maybe because my only experience is stock. I use a decent set of stereo headphones and no mods to my audio.

Everything is set to stereo as the game uses binaural audio

I think hearing footsteps comes down to the headphones

in my experience

[frigid grail]

I can usually get a general idea of where people are but not exact locations like others seem to be able to do. I didnt realize using the dolby setting on my headset would screw with things so i have changed that to stereo and playing around in trials and the tutorial it seemed to help. I am using astro A-50's for reference

[karmic ivy]

I conur with the advise given by the devs to turn it up as much as you can. stay just below your comfortable limit. There is so much to hear and it can be very dimmed by distance.

Hunt is the only game I have played that I think I could close my eyes and still stand a chance of hitting my opponent if they were moving on a surface like wood. Its really quite good when it works.
I think you should be able to feel like you know their direction within a margin of a few meters.

Can you borrow your friends head set by any chance?

[frigid grail]

I could try, but why would I need to borrow someone elses headset?

[frigid grail]

as in turn up the volume as much as I can stand?

Are there any settings you would recommend in audio? as in turning down sfx or adjusting anything specific in game?

[karmic ivy]

I have used a few myself, and some are much better than others. And none can do everything at one time. So it is a way to test if your headphones are the reason you are having trouble.

If it was easy, it would be a good test

[karmic ivy]

I don't think I made any changes to Hunts audio setting beyond turning the menu music off.

[frigid grail]

makes sense, I have used these for years and never really had any issue. I think now that I adjusted them a bit through their app and swapped to stereo instead of dolby it shoudl work better just waiting on a buddy to get online so I can actually test it

[karmic ivy]

I agree

let us know how it goes.

[lavish birch]

why is it when you have a Legendary skin it removes the price during loadout?

[karmic barn]

its game breaking. in this most recent example i was on the ground and the enemy was on the first couple steps of a metal staircase outside prison and it sounded like he was on the 3rd floor.

[ripe basalt]

@vivid spruce You can contact support at #customer-support

[queen jungle]

@winged roost The bonus is for fast extraction because getting out with the bounty is the objective.

[winged roost]

Sure but you miss the core gameplay running in getting a bounty and leaving. You'd still need the bounty to play that way.

[queen jungle]

The objective is to extract the bounty. Secondary objective is to get out alive. By engaging in PvP you take a massive risk of failing the objective that of course you are free to take, but should not be encouraged.

[tiny steeple]

@tidal moss bro horn skin is actually pretty useful for AI hitting you

[tidal moss]

you get hit by ai?

[tiny steeple]

I occasionally get hit by a boss and when I do while I have hornskin it doesn't take a bar

[tidal moss]

crazy that must be rough

[tiny steeple]

Ok I guess you're just goated

[tidal moss]

no I just cant imagine wasting a slot for something that happens so rarely when their are so many other traits

Not to mention when you fight the boss you get all your health back at the end

[unborn dagger]

Don't listen to him, it's pretty helpful in tight situations and especially when you have small chunks

[willow burrow]

ok lets assume AI is a problem and hornskin does something

why would u take it instead of ghoul

cause I feel like unless AI murders u on regular basis both help mitigate damage from AI but ghoul additionally helps with damage from other sources

[prime ibex]

Hornskin has a run on bug with teammate damage reduction. Wouldn't take it anyways unless you're solo and low level.

[willow burrow]

I just dont feel like that perk has a home

[prime ibex]

It really doesn't when it breaks things too lol

If anything it needs reworked to be something else, or support a different defense.

[willow burrow]

it could be a few more points and lower rending damage by like 25% and it would be much better

[prime ibex]

Rending does 1 damage a tick, if anything widen the spectrum of damage type resistances like Slash, Puncture, and Blunt melee sources.

Picture on Hornskin is a horned man-tortoise and it makes me think of resistances towards general melee damage.

[unborn dagger]

If it would actually give the ability to reduce damage on frags I would be satisfied

[warm zephyr]

@untold prism what is a peak?

[crystal plume]

@mild lake Stalker beetles already spawn around the maps

[mild lake]

Oh nice

[crystal plume]

You can find their cocoons in some guaranteed spots as well as randomly on walls where bloodline letters and such can spawn

[mild lake]

Huge info. Thanks

Yeah I noticed yesterday a tree with a cocoon-like compartment, but when I interacted with it I received loot and thought it'd be better if it was a dedicated Stalker Beetle loot

[steel comet]

The game calls slash attacks for rending damage.
But like you said horn skin should work better against rending and piercing attacks over blunt

[little carbon]

I think it would be fine if hornskin would reduce all melee damage from AI, but is kept at blunt only for player sources

[narrow vine]

nerf the goddamn AVTO, 6 matches in a row at least 2 people have it lmfao make it special ammo or something, 0 skill gun

[iron trench]

@novel nimbus I always thought about that.. there should be at least 4 types of voices... 2 per gender...
2 for younger male and female, and 2 for older male and female.

[novel nimbus]

for starters yeah, But then you have a few Hunters that wouldn´t fall in those categories, like Revenant, who is literally Undead, so his "voicelines" would be more growly

[worthy scroll]

Legendary hunters should definitely have different voices

[queen jungle]

Crytek did add different voices when female hunters were introduced, but removed them after a massive outcry by the community, especially PvP-focused players complained about not being able to correctly identify the various sounds.

[worthy scroll]

Fun

I guess that’s fair

It’ll prob be hard to tell what’s a revenant or a grunt as well

[queen jungle]

I remember that. I also complained about the new female voice actor. There was a quality issue with the new voice lines. She made a grunting sound that sounded like something else. If we gave it time, we may have gotten used to the change or that voice line could have been patched with something else. I really do wish legendaries had their own voices. There could be a legendary with a star to signify how special it is. With his or her own voice actor, personalized escape message, and other customized settings. BUT! I have doubts if a lot of people would buy it because it would cost significantly more than the cheapest skins. Even now people complain that skins are too expensive at $9 or $15. A legendary with his own voice lines would be the cost of a new indie game.

[grizzled scroll]

I feel like the new solo perks are nice but has made the players more toxic

[vital drum]

I mean we got both new female and male voices around that time and they were somewhat goofy. Wasn't really a practical decision, just sounded strange.

[quiet iris]

Problem with different voice lines is the information that your enemies will get out of them:
You drop from somewhere too high - “Guys, I heard a reverend”
A dynamite stick hit you but not your partner “Quick - the miko has only 100 hp. Don’t waste your bullets on the black coat!”
Your teammate is lying on the ground, you just got shot but you were able to retaliate. Will you go heal or raise your teammate? The enemy WILL know what you did.

I would also like different voices, but there are issues with that. It would be cool, tbh, if different voices could be only player sided (only I hear how my skin is different, but it still sounds the same for all other players), but other than that - this just introduces more ways for sweat.

[vital drum]

I still remember one of the male hunter screams, it was such a dramatic "AAAUGHH", like someone stubbed a toe

I wouldn't mind more voices, we already have a few different ones. But the task of making enough different voices that don't sound out of place AND keeping hunter prices under control sounds daunting 😄

[quiet iris]

Oh yes - the prices for the legendarios are… saddening, to say the least.

[vital drum]

I'd remove the word legendaries and apply the same statement to everything at the moment 😄

[quiet iris]

What do you mean?

[untold prism]

I'm sure you'll figure it out.

[warm zephyr]

idk man i only know what a peek is

[warm zephyr]

@old fossil perhaps a boomerang?

[little carbon]

@bold flax it's not the "whole community" that is asking to "fix" trading. In fact most people are quite happy with the system as is, because getting your shots invalidated under the old system wasn't a fun experience.

[queen jungle]

https://i.redd.it/v8hl01qiqzwa1.jpg

Hear me out...

Throwing bayonet weapons like javelins

[unborn dagger]

Seems like that'll only happen once they add in the ability to throw melee weapons that we have equipped on our hunter so probably never

[bold flax]

Totally makes sense. Sorry kinda dumb of me to pretend to be speaking for the whole community. There's just a lot of streamers and other folks like myself that feel that the trading window should be adjusted a little bit. I have too many clips of being shot once they're on the ground. But appreciate your note there and agree

[narrow vine]

1% of players of this game are happy with trading, post your statistics of 'happy' people please

because I have never been in a random team or premade team, or watched a streamer for that matter who said ''oh trade, that was great''

[queen jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/naked-gun-eating-cake-snacks-gif-12568197

[undone tiger]

hunt needs to implement a better anti cheat because this is so dumb, cheaters on NA servers...im sick of it. Thats why they took the leader board down because it exposed how many cheaters are in this game

[little carbon]

First of all, naming-and-shaming is against the discord rules as far as i recall.

And what exactly are you trying to show here. You show zero evidence that those people cheat in Hunt

[undone tiger]

are you that thick? i just showed they are cheaters...they have no business even being on the NA server, why are they on my server at 5am when its prime time on their own server?

[little carbon]

Of course people arent exited when a trade happens. Everyone would rather that only them got a kill. But most of those people were much more unhappy with the previous system.
Also keep in mind that from a fairness point of view the current system is just a direct upgrade. With the previous system you could get a better shot invalidated and get no kill, with this system at least both players die.

[little carbon]

You showed no evidence that they were cheating in Hunt.

And people can play on other regions for a multitude of reasons.

[undone tiger]

you weren't even there, i dont need your input and iv been playing games longer than you have been alive im sure! You are talking to me like i haven't experienced anything lol

[little carbon]

I wasnt talking to you there... Considering i was quoting someone else

And if you dont want input towards your statements i'd recommend not writing in a public forum that is meant for discussion. People tend to give input here

[narrow vine]

There is no upgrade to anything, the 0.800ms trade window is garbage on its own, let alone that at many occasions its over 1 second due to netcode issues and servers being lackluster, the intended window for trades nearly never happens

It's a way to reward high pingers and bad players with a kill at its current form and it's pure garbage

Unless they remove cross-region or fix the netcode/servers, the trade window is horrible

[little carbon]

Keep in mind that the 800ms arent a freebie window. You still have to make the better shot. If the higher ping player kills you 700ms into the peek on their screen and you killed them 500ms into the peek on your screen, they are not getting their shot validated even tho they are within 800ms.

High ping doesnt get rewarded, trades are, in most cases, in the favour of the low ping player (favour here meaning that only the high ping player would have gotten a kill if the interaction happened at 0 latency).

[narrow vine]

There is zero way to measure who would have gotten the kill in 0 ms, regardless, the trading in this game is pathetic

There's a reason there's an outcry about it and rightfully so

[undone tiger]

yeah i agree, but the person above not you (Sektoras) has no idea what they are talking about because i never said anything about a trade. They were trying to assume or fill in the gaps. They are making up their own story because thats not mine and not why im mad.

[narrow vine]

As said, unless they kick high pingers out of the servers, or buy a new service provider, the trades are trash and will continue to be trash

[little carbon]

Yet, again, i wasnt talking to you in that statement as was obvious by me quoting Sektoras and not you

[narrow vine]

I was talking to Hulos not Bloodhound not sure why he mentions me

I responded to Hulos aswell in my first quote

[little carbon]

I was talking to him as well when i answered your message

I think he thought that was a response to him as well

[undone tiger]

apologies, my mistake

[little carbon]

You kinda can by using the mathematics behind the networking model. You cant do so for any given shot that you see on your client, because you would need accurate data from the other client which we as users cant get our hands on. But you can make observations about the general behavior of the system by mathematically simulating the full spectrum of possible shots. (Or more precise of possible delays between shots).
If you do so you find that the current system is closer to the 0 latency outcome than the previous system. Take the following example. High ping (A) has the better shot than low ping (B).
In zero latency B dies, A lives
in the previous system, B lives, A dies, so 2 players in wrong states
in this system both die, so 1 player in a wrong state.

I agree that the previous system felt better for low ping players, because this system didnt give them any advantages since it basically removed a low ping advantage Hunt had. But i think we can agree that no ping, neither high nor low, should grant any advantages.

The ideal system (fairness wise) would wait with confirming kills until the point of the kill has passed on all clients. With that kind of system you wouldnt have trades (Except due to bullet velocity) and the person that did the better shot wins all the time. The downside is that people wouldnt die the moment you shoot them but with a delay. Which would probably feel bad to play.

So the trading system is probably the best compromise there is.

[narrow vine]

Does not matter at all, its not fun and this is a video game.

800ms window, add 40-50 ping which is the average ping most people have is about .150ms delay, add server of hunt that are literally a joke, the trade window extends to 1 second+

the trade window should be less than 0.400ms in 0 latency

[little carbon]

In 0 latency the trade window would be 0 with the current implementation Hunt has. (Counting bullet impacts, not shot fired. Trades through bullet velocity are an intrinsic feature of games with velocity based guns).
You dont get 800ms post death to make a kill. You get 800ms from the point of death (server side) to prove to the server that you had already killed the other person at that point in time.

[tight delta]

What is the source for the claim that the 800ms is for proving to the server that you had already killed the other person at that point time?

If the hit validation logic is lazy, the server will trust dead high-ping players even if their shots were made at a later point of time up to the threshold of 800ms.

As far as I know, there has been 0 information given on what are the things the hit validations looks for when deciding whether to discard the data aside from the 800ms "trade window".

[little carbon]

Killed before in the sense of a prior client timestamp. Which can be later in in overall time. With latency involved using a singular timeline becomes infeasible

Information is taken from the post, various statements about the system made in different devstreams. And of course just the fact that the model behind Hunts form of Hitreg is a common concept that you can read up on about. So you can make some high confidence assumptions on implications of certain aspects of the system.
Although they did explain quite a lot on the devstreams so you don't have to piece too much together

[little carbon]

If the validation would be that lazy then you would see almost no invalidations within the 800ms window. But invalidated shots are still common enough that this is unlikely.

[tight delta]

"The server will perform number of checks -- trajectory, if position matches what server thinks, if target position matches, if these check out, hit will be validated"
https://youtu.be/iPq3ZgiYzeo?t=82

"Because there's some latency between what the client does and the server does, we have to have some leniency on the server to account for some
discrepancy between the server and the client, and sometimes that might be too lenient from ???? perspective, so that's something we're looking into to fix"
https://youtu.be/iPq3ZgiYzeo?t=121

Over 90% of hit invalidations were related to shots coming from already dead players.
https://youtu.be/iPq3ZgiYzeo?t=221

I can't find any information on how the game synchronizes the clocks between clients and the server, and how strict time stamping comparisons are, if any is done in the hit validation process.

Like stated on the video, vast majority of all hit invalidations were removed with the changes, and trades became insanely common. Much more common than in any other FPS I have ever played. Seeing that Daniel says that the system is lenient and they're looking to fix it but no changes has been done to it since the video leads me to believe there's something 'wrong' with it still.

[karmic ivy]

What outcry? All I see is the same few talking about it over and over, day after day. Same players. We get a few complaints a day here... out of thousands and thousands of matches...

"I agree that the previous system felt better for low ping players, because this system didnt give them any advantages since it basically removed a low ping advantage Hunt had. But i think we can agree that no ping, neither high nor low, should grant any advantages. The ideal system (fairness wise) would wait with confirming kills until the point of the kill has passed on all clients. With that kind of system you wouldnt have trades (Except due to bullet velocity) and the person that did the better shot wins all the time. The downside is that people wouldnt die the moment you shoot them but with a delay. Which would probably feel bad to play.

So the trading system is probably the best compromise there is."
-Dart_Hulos

This is very well put. ^ I concur.

[narrow vine]

discord is a minority of the playerbase of hunt and so is reddit, streamers opinions are out there about trading and nobody likes it and I am talking about credible - thousand of hours - kind of streamers. There is nobody out there that thinks trading is good even if they dont think it's what ruins the game at all

[tight delta]

I wish there was an option for people who stick to their own regions and have a decent internet connection to queue with only people with similar setups. No real-time multiplayer FPS can work properly if people do not have capability to play in real-time.

[narrow vine]

It's a balance issue on mostly prominent on 6 stars, and it's a multiple source issue that touches balancing, netcode, latency and and recently peeking but that was fixed

[tight delta]

Most other FPS elect to favor low-ping players to steer people to play in the closest region possible to make the gameplay experience better for everyone.

[narrow vine]

0-80 ping should be the standard with some people over 80 ping upto 120 that have no closer region

[karmic ivy]

I think trading kills is a good trade off for a solution to the problem of the game wrongly invalidating hits.

[narrow vine]

You think that, I think its pathetic and should exist to a much lesser extent

Not my problem if you have high ping

[karmic ivy]

So, a few streamers...? How many?

[narrow vine]

Its not just a few streamers who think trading is bad, it's the majority of the playerbase, you just cope

[karmic ivy]

Oh is it?

[narrow vine]

You probably play with trash ping and thats why you like it, but thats not my problem

[karmic ivy]

nope, you assume bad.

[tight delta]

There has been a huge amount of complaints on practically all Hunt social media platforms and forums about killtrading, I don't think it's an issue for a minority 😄

I prefer the time before the change in, what, May 2021?

[karmic ivy]

I mostly see the same people over and over again. a few new ones every day or so. But that is not much.

[narrow vine]

Go to any social media post, trading and servers are the majority of complaints, followed by avtomat adjustments and recent issues like slow-pick ups and no sounds

[tight delta]

One quick look around on Discord, Reddit, Steam Discussions (Yuck!) should prove this wrong.

[karmic ivy]

not really

[karmic ivy]

I look there most days, thats why I am saying this.

[narrow vine]

Literally nobody thinks trading is good, i cant recall the last time i saw someone praising this garbage system until now

[karmic ivy]

you don't get out much...

[tight delta]

I know, and I feel for you. Most of the peeps there are arseholes 😧

But I respectfully disagree that trades affect only a really few but vocal players.

The mechanics around hit validation haven't been ever discussed in detail, so it's speculation either way.

[narrow vine]

Trading is bad system mmkay, im sure alternatives can be found or adjustments can be made

[tight delta]

As soon as private lobbies are added, I'm going to test and see if I can get some proper data out 😎

[narrow vine]

yeah its not better bruh, nobody likes it lmao

[karmic ivy]

Its not about who they effect, its about weather its better that way.

[narrow vine]

except from like 5% of playerbase which is insignificant

[tight delta]

I don't agree with that either, as long as we don't have an option to opt-out of high-ping lobbies.

[karmic ivy]

Its not a system, its a trade off. And its a good one. You get something good for it.

[narrow vine]

even in low ping lobbies the servers are so bad in hunt that it does not matter many times

[narrow vine]

nah its trash gg

[tight delta]

And I don't even agree that the servers are generally bad!

😠

Well I guess it depends 😄

[narrow vine]

they're leaseweb servers, literally the lowest quality servers in the world

[tight delta]

Having troubles currently?

[narrow vine]

have your performance stats open the extended ones

you will be surprised

[tight delta]

Actually, they are not leaseweb on RU and SA to my knowledge.

[karmic ivy]

says... you?

[tight delta]

🤓

[narrow vine]

Their servers are not gaming optimized

only hunt and another game runs them and this is not a joke

[tight delta]

I've done extensive troubleshooting and analyzing on the Hunt game servers due to million and one widespread network issue plaguing the Hunt players, most of them have nothing to do with LeaseWeb's servers directly. Like the Telekom / EU issues.

[narrow vine]

they're trash for gaming in general

[karmic ivy]

Ill trust the professionals. I think your opinion is poorly made and not backed up.

[narrow vine]

My opinion is correct and its a fact leaseweb is not gaming optimized and run on 30 tick

[karmic ivy]

Most people think that of their own opinions. can you show it to be correct?

[narrow vine]

https://i.redd.it/p10uxs4pcmj81.png

leaseweb good servers lmao

[karmic ivy]

you don't have any points to back up your claim?

[narrow vine]

I said my points already, 30 tickrate on a bad server provider

Can be measured by any networking program

[karmic ivy]

whats wrong with 30? Its appropriate for the kind of game Hunt is.

[narrow vine]

Feel free to do it yourself

Oh boy whats wrong with 30

[tight delta]

The server provider does not dictate the tickrate, it's the implementation on the server software that decides on things like that.

[narrow vine]

Leaseweb servers are 30 tick max

research them, they are not fit to run on higher

their service is subpar

[karmic ivy]

probably, it is the way it was designed. not a problem.

[tight delta]

They are not. Even on the picture you posted the tickrate is higher at the start of a match.

[narrow vine]

thats variable

and thats why there are desyncs and stuff

CSGO runs on 60 tick permanent

[karmic ivy]

says who? you? Is there nothing to show for your opinion? can you show that 30 tick rate is a bad choice for Hunt in particular?

[narrow vine]

because they have optimized 60

duncan you're obviously trolling no wonder you are banned on steam forums, so ill stop discussing things with someone who does not even know what tickrate is

i aint got time for boomers

[karmic ivy]

You assume bad.

[tight delta]

Mean!

Rude!

[narrow vine]

Leaseweb is by far one of the lowest quality gaming servers out there, my guess is they had a deal with Crytek when hunt launched

they got like 300 servers up when the game launched

the quality of the servers though is evidently very bad, and thats why it was mentioned first time in the recent roadmap aswell, that they will look into new provider and server capacity

mainly because leaseweb servers are not even optimized for gaming

they should have utilized steam servers instead but I guess lease is cheaper

[karmic ivy]

But that is just your opinion. why don't you tell us why you think that way?
I don't think crytek would make such a bad decision as to lock themselves to a bad provider that can't handle their game.

[karmic ivy]

source? no source?

[little carbon]

Again, they went a bit more in-depth in the devstreams and even if they didnt their system follows a standard theory, so its highly unlikely that they deviate from it.
And as long as there is no tangible evidence against it we should always assume the most likely case.

[tight delta]

How are LeaseWeb servers not optimized for gaming? Coincidentally I checked earlier today, and LeaseWeb has 410+ Hunt game servers (not accounting for RU and SA servers as they seem to be hosted by different company?) around the globe.

What makes server optimized for gaming vs. other applications?

[narrow vine]

They are low quality, gaming servers are not the same thing as having a website or a project going. You can read about how bad the service was in Black Desert online (also leaseweb servers, very bad service whole community cried about it) and how bad they are reviewed on trust pilot aswell

BSO had the same issues we have in hunt x 2 times worse

[karmic ivy]

"trust pilot"... seriously.

I recall a guy on the steam forum who used to tell that story about Black Desert Online... IronCU, He has since been perma banned...
hmmm. 😉
I looked it up back then and didn't see what he was talking about. Do you have any links?

[tight delta]

MMOs have hugely different server requirements that Hunt does. But I ask because in my mind what you said doesn't make sense, and I work in IT for ISP.

If I program an application that sends data to a client 30 times in a second, and I host it on LeaseWeb server, the observed tickrate would be 30 packets per second. If I changed the program to send data 90 times in a second, the observed tickrate would be 90 pps. The server resourses themselves are not imposing a limit on the rate at which I'm pushing data out of the network.

[little carbon]

I really dont like the glorification that some people put on tickrate.
Of course a higher tickrate is better, but its not this magical panacea that fixes all problems. It would most likely help with desync to an extent, but for example in terms of trades it would most likely change almost nothing.

[tight delta]

Exactly.

[karmic ivy]

I agree, its not everything.

[tight delta]

It's the same with these network issues. If your ISP node is broken and that's why can't connect to Hunt servers, doing anything the LeaseWeb's side will have 0 effect on the issue.

There were a huge amount of fighting on Steam discussion when Telekom was having a lot of problems. People think they know better even when they can't understand a single thing about computer networking, lol.

I remember Duncan trying to point stuff out there, but you really can't reason with angry people.

[karmic ivy]

No.... lol you just get banned! ha

there is some sus. reporting going on there. I have been banned there over very little.
Simple things like being too combative/agumentative...
lol I said nothing more than I have said here.

[little carbon]

Issue is that so much misinformation is going around. It feels like every second content creator (in any game, not just Hunt) has a video about how the servers re bad / need to be fixed or ping abuse is going on. And then they mix and match 5 different networking theories in their videos

[narrow vine]

Damn did not know we have leaseweb shareholders in here, guess someone believe hunt has respectable servers oh well

enjoy the subpar service i guess lol

[tight delta]

We can just outright disagree, no need to get salty over anything.

[little carbon]

I mean, no one is saying that leaseweb is the ideal server provider. Just that they arent the issue many people make them out to be. There is more than just black and white to these issues. The nuances matter

[tight delta]

I remember leaving a NEGATIVE REVIEW ( 😱 ) on Hunt's Steam page when LeaseWeb was having a lot of network issues.

That was, what, in 2020?

[little carbon]

Think so

[tight delta]

And I'm inclined to believe that they have some issues from time to time. The thing is that if LeaseWeb server is literally dying, it would be noticed by all people who are currently connected to the server.

If, say, only french people were affected while others can play on the same server just fine, it doesn't sound like the server is the component that's faulty.

[little carbon]

Exactly. There are moments that are quite clearly server issues. If every member of the squad playing from different locations from different countries have rubberbanding happen at the same moment, then thats most likely the server.
If one guy keeps rubberbanding the whole match, its most likely not the server

[karmic ivy]

Yeah, this is something I find strange but true.
What do you think changed in the gaming sphere that allowed such ignorance to replace computer savvy and nerd level nit picking accuracy (something we used to be proud of) If you follow me? How does simple misinformation replace it? It surprised me since gamers were into being informed.

[narrow vine]

There is no misinformation, hunt showdown service is subpar and plain put bad, i dont know if its good in the US but in EU is garbage

in 1 week the servers went down 4 times and twitter hunt said they need 1 hour to restart and even then 2 times they extended the down time

service is pathetic at best

[tight delta]

I agree that there are aspects Crytek could improve on the whole quality assurance department 😄

But I think we're mixing server software and hardware.

LeaseWeb has the hardware, Crytek develops the software.

[narrow vine]

leaseweb manages capacity tho

[tight delta]

To the extent Crytek pays them for, that is true.

[narrow vine]

yeah and they're doing a horrible job

not to mention FPS issues..... yikes

I am fairly certain servers have to do something with FPS drops aswell to an extent

whenever I play trios my FPS are tanked

[karmic ivy]

@serene shell It helps if you include with your screenshot the region and the time of the match.

[celest cobalt]

@inland urchin All of your reasons are nice and dandy, I want the krag to be good because I just bought one irl 😂

[inland urchin]

@celest cobalt That is an excellent reason and if i had one i probably would have the same and only that. 😄

[hot acorn]

came up with a new trait look at the suggestions tell me what you think

[knotty ore]

Their first priority right now is to work on the servers for a reason. They are either going to optimize them further for 30tick, to minimize issues abysmal tickrate causes, or they are going to upgrade to higher tickrate servers. As it is right now, there are goons in this server who are oblivious to what issues low tickrate servers cause because they still crouch walk everywhere ingame. So, they are not affected by low tickrate. They don't experience shit like dying behind solid cover.

[karmic ivy]

That is a terrible argument. pretend you are talking to someone who does not crouch walk everywhere.

[knotty ore]

Then you'd know 30 tick is awful, you'd feel it on a full server. So, I have no explanation other than ignorance.

[karmic ivy]

Sure thing.... just no other explainations... ok...

[knotty ore]

It gets super exacerbated when people with high ping play on 30 tick too. Its very visible in their movement and how its relayed on your screen. So, you'd literally have to never play against people with high ping, or you don't move quickly and rat play.

[karmic ivy]

You assume much. And you would be wrong.

what makes you think high ping players exacerbate the 30 tick rate? have any source material?

[knotty ore]

I'm not going to explain networking basics to you. I've tried with the other goon and its a waste of time. You can literally google this.

[karmic ivy]

I already did.

you are incorrect.

If its so easy to google, prove me wrong 😉

should be easy right?

[knotty ore]

There are games that were forced to upgrade from 30tick because of player outcry, like Siege. There is a reason that counter-strike went from 64 to 128 tick for competitive servers.

I just know that you cannot be swayed

There is no reason for me to try

[karmic ivy]

sure thing... Or you just don't have source material to backup what you say, or rather your unique opinion.

[knotty ore]

Naw, I'm just not going to waste time explaining something so well known in the gaming sphere to you. Its like trying to convince a flat-earther the planet is spherical.

Just stay ignant

[karmic ivy]

ok ok sure

[knotty ore]

cya

@karmic ivy Here this guy doesn't really make videos anymore, but he is an engineer, and very good at explaining everything. This is a different game, but these basics apply to all games.

https://youtu.be/FVV_GHVXYzI?t=88

[karmic ivy]

And in that video he points out that "high" ping advantage is a hoax...

basicly what I am saying.

[crystal plume]

Weren't you supposed to be done with the convo? 😄

[knotty ore]

He also points out how it works when you are peeking someone at higher ping. Since Hunt has a hit validation system it works different that PUBG. You can fire shots before you render on enemy screen.

[karmic ivy]

no

[unborn sandal]

No this iceman guy always has to beat a dead horse

[knotty ore]

These are the issues with playing at 30tick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PfFPW9a90w

[tight delta]

Hehe, I wonder what Battle(non)sense video on Hunt would look like. The things he criticized on the Apex video are stuff that are currently implemented in Hunt.

Hunt caters to high-ping players at the expense of low-ping players. The game feels more sucky when there's high-ping players in the lobby with you.

[knotty ore]

So, just so summarize. There is no game that ran on 30 tick servers even four years ago. The worst example is Apex, which claimed 64 tick, but was in effect 30tick because of shit netcode. So. Hunt runs on 30tick, but drops into the 12tick range. Couple this with how Hunt has a hit validation system, and how it works from client side since at higher ping you can peek faster. Hunt is a shitshow and the people here defend it every day.

Everyone who moves properly will notice this playing Hunt. Luckily its not every time, but it happens often when people play out of region, or when servers are full.

[narrow vine]

Well said dude, that death while you took cover behind bricks are literally constant for a year now, the service is baed

bad*

[knotty ore]

There are just bad actors in this channel, specifically the moderators too. All they do is deny the obvious. There is a reason they are working on the servers. Its because the common player experience when it comes to servers, is fucking negative. How can you even rationally argue against this?

lol

[karmic ivy]

I don't see what you mean. He says its the large packets that are the problem, not the tick rate of the server.

And Hunt uses very little up and down stream data.

so not a very good comparison.

[knotty ore]

Hunt also doesn't run 64tick servers

[narrow vine]

Same reason they upgrade engine, the problems are very obvious and constant

[karmic ivy]

some of the games he says run fine run 20 and 30 hz, take fortnight as an example.

so its not the tick rate thats the problem.

[knotty ore]

Oh god, nevermind dude. This is way too hard for me to explain without spending like an hour typing everything out. Because I'm assuming that you know the very basics and you don't. I'm good. Don't worry about it, you win.

[narrow vine]

he is a troll, just give up already

[knotty ore]

Agreed

[karmic ivy]

Bad assumption, just because someone thinks you are wrong does not make them a troll 😉

[knotty ore]

Last fucking attempt. WATCH HERE THIS IS HOW IT WORKS IN HUNT.

https://youtu.be/9PfFPW9a90w?t=487

[karmic ivy]

I watched it already, its not saying Hunt is not supposed to run at 30hz. in fact other games do the same. Its saying they shouln't send so much data in their packets. But this is where apex and Hunt differ.

[knotty ore]

The server will confirm the hit no matter what

This is how it works with Hunt

The issue is, you still get a peek advantage with higher ping

[knotty ore]

What other game this size runs 30hz?

[karmic ivy]

fortnight.

[knotty ore]

No dude

OMG

[karmic ivy]

its in the graphic in the video you posted... dude.

[knotty ore]

The amount of data sent in Fortnite is insignificant so they can get away with 30hz,, and COD has tons of registration issues at 20hz its well known.

Fortnite has like 1/3rd of the systems Hunt has.

[karmic ivy]

Hunt uses very little as well, so they can, as you say, get away with it.

[knotty ore]

You got evidence? Or, is that just someone saying it?

[karmic ivy]

yeah, I watch my data consuption. (mb/hr)

I have since Rust.

That game is a beast, it consumes down traffic like two other shooters combined.
Hunt on the other hand uses so little, its quite suprising.

[knotty ore]

Yeaaaaah....... Its good that you've said that to confirm I'm wasting my time.

Now I'm done done

[karmic ivy]

ok...

[knotty ore]

Forrealzies.

[little carbon]

This is not true. The moment you are dead, you are dead and your shots will be invalidated. But shots you already did before dying that hadn't reached the server yet, will be validated.

And yes, ping difference will increase peekers advantage, however the effect is fully symmetrical, therefore not an advantage in itself and the extent of latency introduced peekers advantage is comparably lesser then human reaction times, so it's influence isn't even that big.

[little carbon]

In the past gaming required more of that knowledge so it was more prevalent in those circles. Nowadays the knowledge required for a user is minimal.
And the issue is that this misinformation is a cascading effect. These people believe what they know to be true and act confident in their knowledge which then leads more people to believe in them. Couple that with the fact that if you are told that you now know everything you need to know after a YouTube video and most people aren't going to spend the time to hear a lecture and read a book to confirm that knowledge.
And even if they google they might find something professional that seemingly confirms their beliefs but in reality is about a completely different type of networking model from 2004.

[narrow vine]

Dont need knowledge of anybody when I see red and yellow packet loss every 5 minutes, hit reg issues, FPS drops on peak times, delays, slow pick ups and a plethora of other stuff happening to know the servers are garbage bro, get real

On a top end connection and PC, mind you

[hushed current]

Anybody else running into some really crazy solo's since necromancer came back? Seems like some players are using it to de-rank back down into the 2 and 3 star range. Have to admit, I'm really frustrated with the perk. Been getting a lot of very one sided stomps with my duo's partner / trio's partners.

[karmic ivy]

I am as real as it gets 😉

[vernal haven]

I think that's just a consequence of how solo matchmaking works. I'm a solid 4/occasional 5 when I'm playing with teams, but I've recently been playing solo, and wiping team after team, but still dropping MMR (hovering between 3 and 4) from the deaths I've had, as few as they've been. Matchmaking will basically never match a solo against people with an MMR that's more than slightly higher, so climbing is nigh-impossible, but if you're killed at all, it will usually be by someone significantly lower. This has always been the case, but playing solo is now significantly more attractive. Self-revive can also lead to a net loss in MMR even if you win a fight, because you lose more from being downed once than you get from getting a full trio kill. I think it's just an issue with the MMR modifier for solos, which should probably be reduced/removed with recent changes.

[rapid nebula]

Why are they forcing us to ply night maps? Why are they back in the rotation?

[queen jungle]

Wildcard contracts are still being tested and thus not permanently active.

Also, night time is the best time of day.

[warm zephyr]

when is the remaining questline coming to live?

[queen jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/431516552391819274/1045934602323234847/60D1F84B-C4E8-4361-9CA4-67EE53E43893.gif

We don't have an exact ETA to share.

[warm zephyr]

wasn't it scheduled?

I hope it's because crytek is actually play-testing it this time

[stray horizon]

preach

[unborn dagger]

Preach indeed

[narrow vine]

low playerbase, contracts will never work, need to appeal to reshade dogs

[queen jungle]

We had target contracts for years before they were removed

[queen jungle]

@pine spindle How would a battle pass be more beneficial to players than a simple DLC? I think it would only build on FOMO and people who don't have the money at the time or don't have the time to play while the pass lasts would miss out.
A DLC you can buy whenever you want to.

[unborn dagger]

I'm pretty sure more and more people are getting sick of battle passes so it wouldn't surprise me if a simple dlc turns out to be more beneficial

[pine spindle]

you know honestly idk i was just thinking of more ways that the community could get more cosmetics apart from buying a dlc pack when there already is so many available and also not having to grind forever to get enough blood bonds to buy an item. tbf tho i have no idea how the marketing for stuff like this works so i wouldnt really take my advice lol

[vital drum]

We have questlines for that gap, which are much easier to complete. They do give something to do for players who regularly play the game anyways, while not being nearly as stressful for those who get affected by fomo a lot.

It's good to have a bit of a break, because people can get fatigued if battle passes never end

[pine spindle]

yeah fair enough

[steel hamlet]

People also get fatigued if DLC seemingly takes priority over fixing the game

[valid mango]

will the next skin be again with clothes showing through the textures ?? when will you fix this? any character that has moving clothes when knocked down they show through the textures

even as the character crouches you can see the clothes through the textures and you are introducing more and more skins with long jackets or dresses

[unborn dagger]

@tardy flame I feel like poison throwing knives would need to be pretty expensive or regular throwing knives need to be buffed because they are pretty useless as of rn.

[karmic ivy]

What fix are you saying the game needs and is not getting? BTW I like to see DLCs, it means more revenue to keep Hunt going.

[steel hamlet]

Many.

One of the main ones is server issues, which they have both addressed and not done anything about yet. I mean... hell, not too long ago they had to take the Hunt servers down over the course of a couple few days because they'd fix the connection problem, then right after it'd come back online it'd be just as bad as before.

Also, you can take a real quick look at the #feedback channel to see how unhappy people are with the current state of what just happened. So busy with focusing on getting new cosmetics out that the devs seemingly screwed anyone who wasn't 100% completed with their last questline. But never fear. Whatever was lost in that will probably come out as a nice little $10.00 DLC sometime in the future, if they don't save it for recycled content down the road, as they've done before.

[valid mango]

as they add dlc let them fix skins first

[gentle willow]

@tired egret To be fair on the questline there was a big timer, as well as dates in their promotional material. The fact that it was limited time was not fun though.

[valid mango]

I have no idea if they will even undertake the repair of texture-penetrating clothes

[tardy flame]

maybe, I was thinking that it could be handy for killing inmolators and armoreds faster, maybe u could have just 3 of them or something

[tired egret]

@gentle willow And that doesnt really matter. the twitch events quest was also available for a limited time but if you got it you keep it till its done.

[gentle willow]

yeah they should all be like that

[tired egret]

agreed

[sharp veldt]

What would you suggest as being more clear for the time limit on Questlines? There was a big timer on the Questline itself. Our social posts also talked about it ending/the end date. What could be more clear? Genuinely asking, so I can take suggestions back to the team.

[tired egret]

@sharp veldt simple really, just a large bold piece of text stating that you can not get the cosmetics after the event timer ends. It needs to be extremely clear that the cosmetics go away with the quest timer. Though Im against having the quests removed in the first place.

[unborn dagger]

It's just weird how they have one that doesn't have a timer and then they have the rest only for 30 days so I'm in agreement. The less fomo the better

Absolutely, I still think throwing knices just need a better buff but I wouldn't mind if it was at 6 still for poison knives

[tight delta]

FOMO needs to absolutely go. I remember people being excited about the questline system, as they would be able to have some separate progression system where you unlocked skins and stuff. But it was just turned into a light event system with time limits. Too bad.

I used to grind all the event and questline stuff, but decided not to engage with the limited time stuff at all.

[knotty ore]

Hahahahahah now streamers are finally noticing registration issues....Oh man the nay-sayers in this sub are getting less and less ammunition to defend mommy-Crytek.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/u3UiLSPuf1o

[vital drum]

There seems to be an increased volume of complaints and clips to confirm them this update, it has been noticed and forwarded

[knotty ore]

Arigato, Arricado. Lots of hitreg issues since last update.

[analog willow]

Based on that statement, does that mean there’s no public communication feed that the dev’s watch? The only suggestions that make it through are ones passed along by team members?

[sharp veldt]

I am a dev. So I'm not sure I understand this question. I read social media, discord, reddit, twitch streams. All of those are public communication

[steel hamlet]

!plans

[marsh garden]

Some of the plans for the future of Hunt with references:

Servers are the number one priority to address in 2023 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=756
New map is in the works, will be a new biome - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2439
New boss this summer, a wild target outside of compounds - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1285
Shooting range, possible optional PvP with your squad - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2087
New event this summer, starting a new event trilogy - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1462
Update to Cryengine 5.11, DX12 and current gen console support - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2292
New modes and custom lobbies are considered for 2024 - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2506

[steel hamlet]

Six things planned and not one of them has been done yet...

[vernal haven]

It was stated with full clarity what the most recent major update would be, and that all of these things listed would be worked on after it was done. That stuff is slated for summer or later.

[steel hamlet]

Oh I know! I also know how Crytek's Hunt team is, and know that any of this coming to public release in the time they're looking at is not gonna happen

[steel hamlet]

Same thing with your flash bomb. Do you know how long people have been begging for them to change that thing? Has it happened yet?

[vernal haven]

Well, they also haven't said that they would change it. That's a different issue.

[steel hamlet]

Exactly.

If you search 'Flash Bomb' in the #game-ideas channel, there are far too many of them for them to not comment on it. But they don't because 'they are focusing on the main thing right now'

That 'main thing' being some major update that fucks the game more than it was fucked already

[vernal haven]

But you're moving the goalposts; I'd hold off getting mad at them until the planned timeframe has actually passed.

[steel hamlet]

I'm not moving the future goalposts, more as looking at the ones in the past.

This is a running theme with them

They always get too busy with this filler cosmetic content that they miss the mark on their actual updates that mean something

It's exhausting to play a game and know that nothing will ever get fixed because their entire team is too busy having a meeting in the bathrooms about what the new DLC hunter is gonna look like

[vital drum]

This video came out around the same time as the latest large update and we know that with their new quarterly cadence the next one will be towards the summer. So we'll have to simply wait for those boxes to start being ticked.

[steel hamlet]

Man, they even leave you reddies in the dark about this stuff?

[vital drum]

Huh?

[steel hamlet]

Just doesn't seem like there's a lot of frequent updates if we're having to sit and go off of some videos from the last big update

You'd think that if any group of people had inside knowledge, it'd be the mods

[vital drum]

I'm not sure how that is related, but dropping insider knowledge is generally not part of our responsibilities

[steel hamlet]

Oh I know!

[dim heron]

the mods also have NDAs

[steel hamlet]

Thank you for chiming in

[dim heron]

anything to help

[steel hamlet]

It doesn't, but it'll have to do

They make you guys sign NDAs and all that, and even still the devs and team are so detached from the community that it isn't even funny

[dim heron]

There's literally Devs communicating with the community in this Server.... but k

[steel hamlet]

All of these 'plans' they have, every suggestion and feedback... not a single bit of it matters when the main focus is filler content and more DLC skins to fund an already pay-to-play game

[steel hamlet]

Talking is far different than communicating. If you look at the XDefiant team versus the Hunt team, you can see the difference.

Before anyone gets picky and brings up how the games are vastly different. I know. The point is the communication between the devs and the community. Not the game itself.

[unborn sandal]

I mean they’ve fixed problems that the community has complained about such as left peek and the reload bug most recently, and have said that they’re working on fixing the servers as we speak. I don’t know what your problem is

That can’t just produce an exact date for current things they’re working on because it would be a lie. There are a lot of factors and unpredictability involved

[vital drum]

I actually have been quite happy with the developer update that came out. It touched on a lot of important topics and I have a lot of faith in Hunt's new franchise manager. The fact that he appeared on video and the things he said definitely indicates to me that he's quite familiar with Hunt and its problems. He hasn't been on the team for too long though, so I think this year is when we will see the results of his work.

[steel hamlet]

Might be an actual change with him on board.

[vital drum]

Have you watched the video?

[steel hamlet]

I'd have to check it again, but I might've

[vital drum]

https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw

[vernal haven]

I don't think the issue is with DLC, because game studios don't have the same team working on cosmetics that would otherwise do fixes and updates. DLC isn't really a matter of greed; it's keeping some kind of incoming revenue required to keep a game alive. I for one am happy with the many fixes/additions in 1.12; they addressed many issues that people have been talking about. Left-side peek, reload bug, the tutorial, damage log, vertical audio (which does have different issues, but it's still good that they're working on it)...I think the only valid complaint is that it can take them a long time to address things, which is still somewhat understandable since they aren't a AAA studio.

[steel hamlet]

Ohhhh yeah, I've seen this one

[vital drum]

It's this one, I think it might help address some of your concerns

[steel hamlet]

A lot of my concern comes from being jaded with how they've done things in the past, so you'll have to understand that I'm going into these plans with very low expectations

I mean I've barely been able to play the damn game because of server issues, and that's supposedly priority number 1 with them.

[unborn sandal]

It’s a five year old game. They’re getting some new players but not enough for updating the game to be worth crytek’s time. The DLCs are the main reason hunt is still getting updated

[vital drum]

It has, but they're going for a full backend refactor, so it won't be a quick fix.

[steel hamlet]

I guarantee you that a 30ish dollar game does not need DLC to continue funding itself when the playerbase is constantly growing

Especially not when the structure is "Big Update" Followed by 4ish DLC in between each one.

Each of those being roughly a third of the base game price

[unborn sandal]

Why would crytek update the game at all if according to you they’re just in it for dlc money

[steel hamlet]

I said that was their focus. Not their sole purpose

When you see more DLC than updates coming out for a game that is already struggling technically, then it does make you wonder where their prioritization lies.

[vital drum]

I understand that if you're having technical issues, then having consistent DLC releases can be annoying, but the investment they need to make to change their backend infrastructure, update the engine are likely infinitely higher than into the artists who make a hunter and a few weapon models a month.

[steel hamlet]

Better be really damn expensive if Crytek can't spare some of that $148m annual revenue to go towards that stuff

[vital drum]

May I ask where you have that figure from?

[steel hamlet]

It's a rough estimate, not saying it's 100% accurate down to the penny. But I also figure that it is close enough.
https://growjo.com/company/Crytek

[vital drum]

What is that even based on? I don't see any sources or anything at all

[steel hamlet]

This one here says $115m if that settles your wonders at all. But that was in 2021.
https://rocketreach.co/crytek-profile_b5c65b46f42e0cae#:~:text=What is the annual revenue,was %24115 million in 2021.

Another website say 116m

[vital drum]

This reminds me of those youtuber income estimates, I'm not going to lie 😄

But either way, the fact that we talk about a backend refactor and an engine update in 2023 has been quite a big change and definitely shows that Crytek are investing into Hunt. Whether they will pay off - of course only time will tell.

But I think it's quite a big change with David's arrival.

[unborn dagger]

That first part is pretty much my viewpoint in the dlc for hunt. I would be happy to support them but this game has been unstable for a while and it barely feels like it's getting improved but I will say I am happy that they fixed left peeking

[analog willow]

Awesome! Thanks!

[steel hamlet]

Weeeee can only hope

[analog willow]

Feedback on the feedback, it’s really cool I can communicate directly with Dev’s! Glad this communication line exists and my suggestions aren’t going in the trash haha. Do you know if there are any team member that regularly look at the Steam Forums? I’ve made some posts there in the past, and I can merge them over here if need be. Loving the game! Thanks for getting back to me🙏

[sharp veldt]

Steam forums don't get looked at as much. The toxic posts there usual overwhelm good ones.

[analog willow]

Copy that! I’ll try and find a way to get them on here. Some of them are pretty long, and I’m worried that splitting things up will weaken the idea. Any suggestions there? Totally fine if I have to make multiple posts

[sharp veldt]

Multiple posts is fine. Things can be hard to read if they're too long, I don't want to mix up your post with someone else's in my brain

[analog willow]

Those are my worries exactly haha

Thank you for getting back to me🙏 I appreciate it

[sharp veldt]

Of course, happy hunting!

[little carbon]

If you look at suggestion ideas you'll see that those suggestions usually have plenty more downvotes than upvotes.

Also keep in mind they can choose to completely ignore suggestions if they feel that they wouldn't be good for balance (which the average user isn't good at determining) or if it doesn't fit within their vision of the game.

[obsidian narwhal]

Well Crytek is also working on Crysis 4, cryengine, the Crysis remasters, and all that Cado said.
Even if these figures were accurate, it's still not that much when you consider all they're doing

[steel hamlet]

I'm not going to respond to these simply because they're from a conversation that happened... at least 12 hours ago when you pinged me? Everyone's already moved on

Plus I really didn't need pings for specific parts of conversations that were taken out of context from the rest of the discussion

[karmic ivy]

I think in todays environment its going to need DLCs
Don't be so afraid of them.

[karmic ivy]

But what fix in particular. You didn't mention anything.

What is it you are getting at?

#feedback isn't a very informative answer either. What in particular needs to be fixed that you think the game is not getting?

[steel hamlet]

The hell did I just say about the pings?

That was the start of the conversation yesterday. I'm not going all the way back to something that's already been discussed in full

[karmic ivy]

I am still curious, since yesterday.

[steel hamlet]

Well that's something you'll have to live with, then. If you were curious since yesterday, then you shouldn't have asked me a question and then vanished

[karmic ivy]

I don't see what you were talking about, so I thought you could maybe be more clear.

I don't see any unfixed problems hurting Hunt. They have priorities, one thing over another ofc. But Hunt is in a great place.
Overall the team seems to respond to community feedback well, and takes it and turns it into great ideas.

[karmic ivy]

Oh my... I missed out and you closed up shop. There is just no hope of getting that answer. Yesterday was simply too far away...

[steel hamlet]

I mean... you can be sarcastic about it as much as you'd like. But I personally never saw the point in going all the way back to YESTERDAY to pick up a conversation that I had already discussed for at least an hour and a half with other people.

Sorry you missed out on the party, but I'm not retreading the same paths for you

[karmic ivy]

Ok then. Carry on with your stream of alleged "problems" with Hunt.
Ill probably ask about the "next" one.

[steel hamlet]

I mean... if you'd like to think that, go right ahead! But I already said why I wasn't responding to it.

Also, if you're going to be rude and or sarcastic, then at least finish the thought you're typing instead of editing it piece by piece afterwards. I don't want to have to sit here and watch your weirdly aggravated answer slowly come in like Morse Code.

[tawny meadow]

Please use this channel for discussion about Hunt Feedback, not discussion about discussions. Thanks.

[steel hamlet]

Goodness, thank you for stepping in. Felt like I was going to get pinged about that stuff for the whole day.

[karmic ivy]

Did you see todays dev post about the recent networking issues being related to an ISP and the devs seeking test results from players? Its more to the point of what I said earlier about the server machines themselves being fine. Many players like yourself seem to be mistaking one problem for another.
You mentioned earlier that crytek took the servers down to fix them but then they broke again after. But I think that is where you are mixing up the problems. They are separate things I think.

[steel hamlet]

Can you quit pinging me already?

[tawny meadow]

If a user doesn't want to engage into a discussion please drop it.

[karmic ivy]

👍

[sand coral]

I think the devs need t bring back the option to turn off skill based mmr, i can hardly find any match as a 6 stars solo in ASIA.

[karmic ivy]

When you can hardly find a match, do you wait till the matchmaking timer gets to 5min?

[sand coral]

Yes, i waited, a lot, its either empty or a single team that i never saw or heard, my second acc is 5 stars where i can find a match at an instant.

I was so stoked to get to this 6 stars mmr, but now loneliness is all i get.

[karmic ivy]

Interesting. How do you think the option to turn off skill based mmr effects this for your six star account?

[chrome oyster]

@hazy quartz colorblind filters SUCK. Just ban reshade outright -- colorblind player

[empty sigil]

Lol, ban reshade and see how many people flee the game because it reverts to its natural difficulty

[tranquil vapor]

@trim trout Using a third party software to alter the way a game looks or how it's played is called cheating. Period. Is Reshade part of Hunt: Showdown? No. Is it in any way included as an essential part of the game when you install it and play it? No. Why would using foreign software to change the way a game looks/behaves be allowed at all in the first place? @hazy quartz was right in saying that Hunt: Showdown should just add colorblind filters, saturation, sharpening, etc into the game. People shouldn't need to use something outside the game in order to play the game. Plus dying to someone using Reshade just doesn't feel right, especially on night/fog maps.

[trim trout]

Yes, they should add all that, but they haven't done so, yet.

Back when they disables the nVidia control panel being able to easily do such things, their reasoning was that AMD users have no such options available to them and since reshade works with both hardware groups, it should be used instead.

YES, the devs actually said that anyone that needs to alter their image to play better, should use reshade, since it's fairer!

--

Reshade installs into your Hunt: Showdown steam files, meaning that it's right there, easily readable and 100% transparent to the developers and any anti-cheat.

Many large streamers use reshade to some degree.

Download and install it, then try the sharpening tool. You'll never go back.

[tranquil vapor]

No thanks. I'll stick with playing the game fairly.

[trim trout]

I played without it for 2.5k hours, then I tried it out and asked myself why I never did so sooner. I only use the sharpening tool and it's amazing, it makes everything so much clearer.

[empty sigil]

if thats the case, then crytek might aswell turn off night and fog maps, they might aswell add the crosshairs perma, but they havent and theres reasons why, having third party might not BE cheating, but even with the crosshairs, you have an advantage other players dont, that is pretty much cheating

[trim trout]

No more blurry lines!

[tranquil vapor]

Ok but not everyone is only going to use the sharpening tool. You make it sound like people can only use the most minimal parts of Reshade.

[trim trout]

There's more than a dozen, legal and whitelisted crosshair add-ons available on steam. You don't even need to use reshade for that. Want a custom crosshair? Just browse steam. Want a free-of-charge custom crosshair integrated into your game? Use reshade.

[empty sigil]

Why not ask one of the Mods or Comms manager if its classed as cheating

[tranquil vapor]

Want to play the game it was meant to be played? Don't use any of those.

[trim trout]

It's not. It's not even close to cheating, it's not even on that scale.

[tranquil vapor]

idk man. only cheaters would try to justify using third party software to cheat

[empty sigil]

If you have an advantage over other players, its cheating

otherwise, crytek would have put it in

[crystal plume]

"YES, the devs actually said that anyone that needs to alter their image to play better, should use reshade, since it's fairer!"

Do you have a source for this?

I'm quite sure that they have never said anything like that

[empty sigil]

thank you for jumping in

[crystal plume]

Reshade is tolerated atm, but they have never encouraged it's usage

[trim trout]

Then good hardware is cheating.

Then being intelligent is cheating.

Then playing strong loadouts with skilled teammates is cheating.

[trim trout]

Dev stream, two years ago. When they disabled nVidia control panel.

[tranquil vapor]

ok you're just going off the rails now lmao

[crystal plume]

[empty sigil]

Oh shut up, being intelligent is cheating xD

[tranquil vapor]

welp sorry six star players, you are now banned lol

The only software you should use to play Hunt: Showdown is the game Hunt: Showdown. You're really gonna call playing a loadout cheating? lmao

[trim trout]

@tranquil vapor @empty sigil just go to youtube and look at highlight videos in which the players use reshade.

See for yourself. Nothing about that is cheating. Just some dudes playing with colours and filters.

[empty sigil]

mate, iv watched streamers use it

[tranquil vapor]

Colors and filters that normal players don't use

[empty sigil]

and theyd miss more than half of their spin quick shots if not for the crosshairs

[tranquil vapor]

I'd be willing to compromise with changing sharpening and what not of how the game looks, but adding a permanent crosshair is just too much my guy.

If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.

[empty sigil]

and so were clear, iv no issue with people using it to help with sight, my eye sight sucks, i struggle on night and fog, to the point i have to leave more often than not because i feel a drag on my teammates and its likely the reason reshade is "tolerated" by crytek, but the problem is not everyone uses its to "reshade" things to see better, they use it for the perma crosshairs which is literally the definition of cheating

And iv asked crytek to make night and fog maps a separate que because its not fair on people like me who have to constantly leave games because they literally cant play the game, they are doing that, i dont give crytek many praises, but they are listening to people after how long theyve been asked to separate them, they are turning into a wildcard, good, but theres no reason to have the crosshairs

[crystal plume]

To be completely honest, while I'm 100% in support of blacklisting reshade, I don't think that crosshair is the main issue with reshade at all

A lot of gaming monitors have built in crosshairs in their OSD these days, my somewhat old monitor has it too

[empty sigil]

it wouldnt be if it was in by default and reshade just made it so you could change the CH shape

[crystal plume]

And if someone is dedicated enough, they can just use the oldschool way with tape and a pen

[empty sigil]

So crytek might as well make it default

[trim trout]

a crosshair is no problem whatsoever.

there are so many ways to get a crosshair. it can't and should never be punishable.

[tranquil vapor]

ok bud

[trim trout]

you really want to abuse the game? play on low settings and use FMJ/Spitzer. it's been broken for almost a year now. most shit doesn't load in on time or derenders at 50m.

no software needed. just low settings and good penetration ammo. most issues are contained entirely within the game.

anyone who calls cheats when talking about reshade, has no idea what actual cheats can do and how limited, transparent and harmless reshade actually is.

[tranquil vapor]

ok so abusing low settings is a crytek issue, and using FMJ/Spitzer is a playstyle, which is allowed.

[trim trout]

yet people have been banned over that.

[tranquil vapor]

I seriously doubt people have been banned for using a certain type of ammo. And so if people abuse low settings, we should just let anyone do whatever they want then? If you can't beat them, join them I guess

[trim trout]

i've seen countless YT highlight reels of friends who use reshade and I couldn't fine one case where someone "abuses" reshade. it's all fine. find me a video where someone actually abuses it.

you can't.

[crystal plume]

People have been banned for derendering yes, as that is considering abusing bugs/exploits

[trim trout]

Even if it wasn't on purpose or from very close. I know dozens of players that have gotten temp or even perma bans for "wallbanging" too much, no matter the distance.

It's just low-settings and high pen ammo. All freely available.

[crystal plume]

I highly doubt that

They don't do temp bans for suspected cheaters

And they don't randomly ban people for wallbanging

Unless they confirm that they were indeed cheating

[trim trout]

it's always exploit abuse. never cheating. no game bans on steam, but perma bans.

[tranquil vapor]

You know why I can't find a video where someone actually abuses reshade? Because those people are smart enough not to broadcast to the internet evidence of themselves using it to cheat.

[empty sigil]

idk mind, again iv watched streamers use it and when iv asked how they got their image like X, theyve said reshade

not massive streamers, but still twitch streamers none the less

the point being, crytek may as well add some sort of aim location for when sprinting or using hunter mode

that way, you can use reshade to change their shape and yet your still at no more or less of an advantage

even if its literally just a pinpoint dot while spriniting

[tranquil vapor]

I would agree

[trim trout]

i've talked to countless top players about reshade. almost none of them mind it, most of them even recommend it simply for the sharpening tool and the fact that it can make the game look better for your eyes and monitor combo.

the crosshair does help a little bit, but not really.

if you're a 9/10 in terms of skill, the crosshair won't change anything. in fact it would probably only help those that need the crutch. it can drastically improve your preaim and crosshair-placement. but again, if that's already good, it's not going to change anything.

[empty sigil]

lol

talk about contradicting yourself

[tranquil vapor]

so if you're already good you don't need it anyway?

fr

[hazy quartz]

yeah if something can not be prevented/banned because it is driver or monitor settings or nondetectable crosshair, then the advantage can only be minimised by some changes i suggested. but it is possible.

[tranquil vapor]

"the crosshair does help a little bit, but not really"
what?

[hazy quartz]

the crosshair allows you to literally skip some parts of the ADS animation by preaiming

check my video

in feedback

[trim trout]

and all of us tend to agree upon the fact that crytek should add such filters and tools to the base game for anyone to use.

there needs to be a color blind mode, red/green weakness, etc. there needs to be more options such as a sharpening tool, some filter pre-sets for certain times of day that make the image look better for your set of eyes and monitor.

[empty sigil]

@trim trout just stop dude, were not "good" players, we just dont want those awesome streamers being so cool and awesome all the time, its funny how some of the top players, like Mike, neenoh etc do not use reshade

[hazy quartz]

in a scenario where both have 100% perfect aim and 0 latency and both players are sprinting at each other, no one holds an angle the 3rd party crosshair user will always win due to animation skipping

hypothethical of course

[empty sigil]

they should, but not everyone is going to use reshade for that xD and you know it

[trim trout]

a good player preaims without a crosshair. it will make almost no difference in that case.

[tranquil vapor]

make almost no difference is a matter of opinion

[hazy quartz]

not with that accuracy

[empty sigil]

Crytek, will in their infinite wisdom, add those things in time (and i mean tiiiiiiiiiiiime) like putting fog and night into wildcards so you can choose to do them, but like iv said, they should add the pinpoint dot while sprinting and using hunter mode as default, which if we ask now, we should get by christmas.... next year

[hazy quartz]

you always have to do some adjustments

[trim trout]

psychoghost isn't good, but just experienced. he's nowhere near the top in terms of aim, movement and macro skill.

sorry to break it to you.

[empty sigil]

yet he doesnt use reshade still.

and hes a lot better player than yourself, me and everyone else here talking combined, neenoh even more so

[trim trout]

neenoh is a great player, i agree.

you don't know me 🙂

[empty sigil]

Do i really want too though? 🤔

[little carbon]

Part of the appeal of Hunt is not knowing what conditions you are going to get. So instead of having them separated, having a queue with all times of day and normal rewards and a queue without any of the special times of day with reduced rewards might be better.

[empty sigil]

are you handicapped, is that not the same thing?

plus, they are already doing it

its not a pipe dream

the wildcards que is literally for special weather conditions, like the fire, fog, night and i think i "heard" snow and rain

Heres some feedback though crytek, stop the game from crashing when i tab out

[little carbon]

No, its the opposite. You can currently queue for a queue that has the special time of day removed for normal rewards or you queue for that special time of day (and are guaranteed to get it) for extra rewards.

I think it would be better if you can go true random for normal rewards or standard times of day only for reduced rewards. Basically allowing to opt out of wildcards at the cost of rewards

And at the same time introducing a punishment for leaving in the normal contract. If you pick a scope and then roll night, you should play it out

[knotty ore]

Guys, there is a difference between using reshade for color correction and for better anti-alaising options because the game doesn't offer those features, and using reshade to completely negate being flashed, or to see perfectly at night time. Both of those things reshade can do.

[karmic ivy]

Can you tell us the name of a youtube poster that we can search for and go see what you are talking about? Iv only seen words, and I don't really believe just words in this case. Would love to SEE what you mean though.

[knotty ore]

This is literally the setting I use. I use technicolor and lumasharpen to make the game look a lot nicer.

https://youtu.be/YswdZSHMvEg?t=84

I think lowering your settings would give you a much more significant advantage in PVP than using these filters. It just makes the game look nicer and not just a brown turd it usually is.

[karmic ivy]

I meant the part about negating the flash or seeing perfectly at night

I don't think anyone would find it hard to believe you can use reshade to adjust your color settings... 😄

[knotty ore]

I honestly saw it a long time ago. One thing you can use your reshade for that is basically cheating is a dot layer for pre-placing shots. This guy uses it.

https://youtu.be/sal05iCiMEc?t=38

[karmic ivy]

So there does not exist any videos of people negating flashes or see perfectly at night?

[stiff crow]

@hazy quartz addresses this on their post in #feedback. This is actually a huge buff for ADS.
If you ban Reshade, people will find a different solution. Crytek should fix this by implementing it as a default option in the game.

[knotty ore]

I've seen videos, but it was a long time ago and I can't find them anymore. You think you can't use gamma layers in reshade? Have you tried using reshade?

[karmic ivy]

I see. I think if it could be done we would see some videos. Let me know if you ever find one.

[knotty ore]

Not a lot of people are going to make videos of them cheating bro

[karmic ivy]

do all the time.

youtube is full of it, you have seen it right?

[knotty ore]

Maybe my Youtube algorithm isn't full of, "cheating in x". That's a you thing....

So, no I never see those videos.

[karmic ivy]

Sure thing.

[quiet iris]

@warm zephyr what content are you talking about crytek locking away with grind?

[knotty ore]

Look at what you can do in Tarkov at night. Just because there aren't many Hunt videos, doesn't mean other games don't show you blatant Reshade cheating. BTFO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXgGDbwAB9w

Reshade is actually banned in a lot of games due to competitive integrity issues. I would love for Hunt devs to give us better color settings, better anti-alaising and ban reshade.

[karmic ivy]

Yeah but thats tarkov, not Hunt. Its not that there are not many Hunt/reshade/negate flash/"see perfectly at night" videos. Its that there are NONE. I think that says a lot.

[knotty ore]

There are almost no Tarkov ones either, but its still banned. I feel like you just don't know how Reshade works, so you are relying on someone stupidly uploading a video of them cheating to youtube to support your argument. Which is what? Reshade can't be used to cheating? Its banned in so many games and that alone destroys your argument lol.

[karmic ivy]

Sure thing.

I think if it was happening, we would see a video of it.

Like we do with wall hacks, and aim bots

We can find those on youtube, but not reshade? I don't believe that.

[knotty ore]

Cheats don't require knowledge to use, reshade requires quite a bit. I would say there are more people using hacks in Hunt than people who use reshade to cheat. That doesn't mean reshade cannot be used to cheat. Namean?

There is evidence of it being used in other (more popular) games to cheat. Your only argument is, "there aren't videos" which is not a very good argument.

[quiet iris]

Um… I don’t for sure, but how can you record somebody using reshade? It’s going to be present only on the users screen, and I assume it’s another app, which won’t be recorded with OBS, if the users hasn’t specifically added “reshade screen” to the recording settings.
So - how do you record somebody using reshade?

Just to be clear - I am not supporting one argument or the other, I’m just asking.

[ripe basalt]

Reshade, when applied, can be recorded. Depends how you capture and when you capture.

[knotty ore]

I'm pretty sure you can't not record reshade specifically. Because it hooks to the exe. So, if you open the game its already hooked on launch.

[ripe basalt]

To prevent this from going any further, Reshade can be applied in ways that results in "exploits". Not going to go into detail as Crytek is aware of these issues. Do not ask for specific videos to be shared as that would be classified as name-shaming, ect.

[ripe basalt]

Depends how and when you captures, as I stated.

[knotty ore]

You can record your screen and not show custom crosshair cause its an overlay.

[quiet iris]

Oh, okay. I thought it was an application that launches on top of another one and doesn’t hook up to it.

[ripe basalt]

There's a few different versions. I'm not sure they all work the exact same way

but typically, overlays can not be normally captured from the source

[knotty ore]

When you install it, you are adding files to your game directory. It hooks to exe and uses those files.

Reshade is actually an awesome tool with millions of applications. One of them just happens to be cheating lol

[quiet iris]

Huh. That actually sounds like installing a cheat. By that I mean - it injects itself into game files. That shouldn’t be a thing.

[quiet iris]

Well, ain’t that a good metaphor for all scientific discoveries.

[knotty ore]

Its not an injector afaik it just hooks like say afterburner.

[quiet iris]

Thank you for enlightening me about this program.

[knotty ore]

Rivatuner I mean.

Which is a widely used app for statistics

[warm zephyr]

not sure if you trolling or can't read. equipments are mainly weapons and their variants

[blazing wharf]

The Mot Juste skin for the Cavalry Saber is so short and small. I might even say it has a small advantage in that it looks almost like a knife.

[quiet iris]

What content did they lock away that you will not be able to open?

[warm zephyr]

the new weapon variants. you used to be able to access/progress the new stuff after you update the game but now they're intentionally gated behind layers of grinds and speedbumps just to drip feed you content. They've mentioned in stream that they want to keep players coming back instead of actually playing on our own volition so they're now adding artificial prerequisites before you can even get to the content of the update.

if all of this sounds like what a student who didn't complete the project would do, it's because it is and it's disingenuous.

[tawny meadow]

Those weapon will still be added later for everyone to unlock with regular progress.

[warm zephyr]

later

[warm zephyr]

so what part of gating isn't clear?

[tawny meadow]

the part where those weapon will still be available for everyone

[warm zephyr]

that's called time-gating. it's as disingenuous as they come.

[quiet iris]

It’s not a “project that a student didn’t finish”: you are still allowed to play the stuff (there won’t be a banner saying that you can’t pick up something of you haven’t gotten it in a quest line), and everything will be opened later (which is why I was asking because, for some reason, you also mentioned maps in the original post that I was addressing).

You are offered a whole month to get it earlier. You didn’t. You will have to wait for a bit more. Is it a bit of a predatory tactic? Perhaps, but not out of malicious intent.
But it is not gating, because everybody is still allowed access and if you find one in the wilds - you can still use it.

[quiet iris]

You were given an opportunity to get it earlier. You are not losing anything or gaining while you are waiting for the content (because you can still get access to the content, albeit a bit harder. Centennial shorty can appear on the free guys).
And you are getting all of this for free - you don’t need to buy anything more, you can still use it.

Maybe it was a bit better before hunt became popular. But because hunt is popular, we can still play it. And because of that, the devs had to implement some new mechanics.

[warm zephyr]

wow. you've completely and unreservedly missed my point. You release something, release it. don't go "oh we have this new variant but it's bad for our numbers to go down because you played it and have had your fun with it so you're now back to hiatus because you've enjoyed the content. Owwww Noooo haha you have do do this, do that before you can play okayyyyy because we want you to be part of the number on steamcharts saying that our playerbase LOVES playing our game for long periods of time TEEHEE"

We're not getting it EARLIER. if you genuinely think so you're brainwashed by scummy companies "early access for the true fans" narrative. Not of malicious intent? hmm who am I to say as a consumer that what they're doing is anti-consumer hmmmmm

[rugged iron]

Tbh if u go that far just because of 1 gun being locked behind something then you should also complain about avtomat being locked behind mosin

[warm zephyr]

the prerequisite of that must be that the avto wasn't a mistake to begin with.

[rugged iron]

Dosnt matter what gun it is.

During devils moon for example you wouldv also complained that you need to play the game to get the weapons?

[warm zephyr]

yeah and that's the point

it's one thing to unlock the weapon for those who are unable to access it behind bl lv

but if you reach that unlocking stage, you might as well have high enough of a bloodline lv to unlock it

[rugged iron]

I personaly dont think that it is a bad thing that i need to play the game to actualy progress

[warm zephyr]

play the weapon to progress is ok

[rugged iron]

Even playing thr event

[warm zephyr]

it is easily done

but let's look at the bloodline and the events here

*questlines

[rugged iron]

Because thats what it is after all. A event. If u want to get the guns from it u gotta play it or wait till they are available for evryone

Also they are never locked behind the last level or anything like that for example. Theyr very achievable milestones in the questlines/events

[warm zephyr]

you cannot specifically do that particular one before also completing the utterly unnecessary first few ones

also ntm that most of the quests have nothing to do with the actual weapons

[rugged iron]

And u cant get avtomat before you get obrez

[warm zephyr]

i think you're missing my point

[unborn dagger]

I mean I would like it if the guns were unlocked earlier in questlines and events. That's really my only issue tbh

[warm zephyr]

avto is part of the mosin tree so it's understandable and acceptable

but the questlines to the centy variants mostly have nothing to do with the actual weapon

[warm zephyr]

you could've asked for us being able to select whichever quest from whichever level instead of having to completely grind through but that's just me

[cerulean bane]

I am just waiting for them to drop into the normal tech tree. No need to hassle myself through the grind.

[unborn dagger]

Im in agreement

[warm zephyr]

let's not get started on events. we're getting less and less for the grind we have to go through

[rugged iron]

This event wasnt even grindy

If you real wanted the weapons early u had to play it

[warm zephyr]

it wasn't necessary

[rugged iron]

Kk just delete all events so we have even less content

[warm zephyr]

early? no partner

[empty sigil]

TBF, the centy shorty and silencer iv noticed are not that amazing anyway, and im pretty sure i noticed some hazing above the iron sights that i wonder if its why the shots felt "out place" when they hit, like they are misaligned

[cerulean bane]

I dont want them early. I will wait until all the players got them in the event, tested the shit out of it, wait for the patches and use the fixed variants in the tech tree (if any had issues at all).

I dont have time for events.

[warm zephyr]

we used to be able to complete events in 2 days

just by genuinely having fun

I do agree that the challenges shakes up the meta a bit

but that's just a short term solution

[cerulean bane]

Yeah i know. That were the good events that i was able to participate in. But the events have become bloated with a grind, with less possibility to get points (back then, we had like small items to destroy ect) , forcing me a bit more to either stand a bit more in the open or get forced into pvp .

[warm zephyr]

ntm the free rewards are now incredibly bavkloaded

[unborn dagger]

Only thing I genuinely want taken out of big events like serpent moon and devils moon is the shitty lore bits. Such annoying filler

[warm zephyr]

idm the lore bits if it didn't take up 4 hours of my time

[cerulean bane]

I have literally 0 interest in the lore, because its not presented very well. I mean, good for you if thats your motivator.

[empty sigil]

Dont hate the player, hate the game, people have wanted lore for a long time, but i agree using it as battle pass rewards was cheeky as fuck and they know it.

[rugged iron]

If u dont want to play the event to get the krag sniper for example and rather wait a month or so to get it for free.

Or going through the whole winfield tree to unlock the last unlock or waiting and never getting it for free

[warm zephyr]

hear hear partner

[rugged iron]

Killing some bosses or doing some poison damage and centenial damage and collecting things drive by isnt realy a grind

[warm zephyr]

oh ya btw it's time-limited and grindy unlike the winfield unlock tree lololol

[unborn dagger]

@cerulean bane The lore is just super uninteresting in this game so i couldn't care less if it was taken out

[empty sigil]

We will find out how goood the lore is when this tv show comes out

[warm zephyr]

it's less of being grindy but rather it being wholly unnecessary

[cerulean bane]

The past few events had "early access beta test" features. Meaning, you work and grind for accessing weapons earlier , so that you basically can test them before they get "officially" into the tech tree. That is why i decided to just wait for that to happen while i concentrate on other games meanwhile or events that are more fun. I have time (maybe) to play 3 or 4 hours of hunt a week. So playing the waiting game and then have fun with some friends for a couple of hours if completely fine with me.

[empty sigil]

i wonder if itll have desync for the first few seasons

[unborn dagger]

Lmao indeed

[rugged iron]

Ok. Then playing mosin for avto is unnecesary aswell. Just give evryone evrything at the start?

[warm zephyr]

right. you can't understand logic.

[cerulean bane]

In the event (i dont recall the name) where they released the bow, you were given it from the beginning. I dont see what the problem is whith that.

[warm zephyr]

yeah it was a cool weapon along with a chill event. awesome days

[empty sigil]

So after only 3 years of playing this game, one thing has become increasingly more prevalent, crytek want more money, be it to make this TV show, Crysis 4 (which no one asked for) or trying to reinvent the hunt wheel with cry engine 5 (lets hope they keep the people that make it employed) they DO listen to feedback, but like the shifting of the sand, they take an age to do anything about it, which youd think when it comes to their cash cow, itd be the priority, it certainly doesn't feel like it, i mean i had to put up with desycning because i was too close to the edge of stairs for 3 years, emperor know how those who played in EA feel about it, and when they did do it, they lorded it as a big achievement, personally iv stopped buying DLC, i save my BBs to buy BPs, because i do not see the money they make going back into this game, they made improvements but like i said, at a glaciers pace, who knows, maybe all our issues will get addressed with Cry engine 5, or when the servers get sorted (bored of being locked out of my own region, EU) but if you feel like the thing they do are wrong, tell them, if you dont feel like yours or other voices or opinions are heard, dont support them, theyll listen eventually, when enough people complain or they start to lose too much money, at the end of it, were the customers/consumers and its our money they want, if we keep giving it them through good or bad, theyll never learn, just my opinion because after the reshade discussion last night and this one regarding the events, i mean theyve changed so much over 3 years and they are so close to perfecting them, just keep leaving feedback on here and expressing your opinions and why you feel like you do, with some evidence if possible.

[warm zephyr]

hell yeah pardner me and my friends draw the line at not spending until there's actual improvement

[empty sigil]

i havent bought a dlc since wolfy weapon pack

and iv been tempted by the skelly face one and this old woman one

[warm zephyr]

ah that one

that was the one where i realised that they only make skins for the high pickrate weapons

that video disabled comments because there's already so many uppercut skins lmao

[empty sigil]

ofc, how else are they gona get peoples attention

i want the upper cut :<

makes me sad i cant complete the set

[warm zephyr]

i prefer them making other weapons better

[empty sigil]

id be happy if every gun had at least one skin

[warm zephyr]

also, i think reshade is a crytek issie

[empty sigil]

it is

all they need do is add that stuff by default

[cerulean bane]

I only bought dlc if i thought it was for a good value / price. But lately even the dlc´s have less skins but increased price tags. Same with the past events. I mean if you take out the weapons that you get anyway if you wait, look at what you get. Skins for consumables (wow, as if i would look at these) and some pendants that are dangling in my face.

[empty sigil]

but again

[warm zephyr]

hear hear!

[empty sigil]

glacial speed

[empty sigil]

inflation bro

[warm zephyr]

i counter that with my deflation of interest because of the greed

[cerulean bane]

A friend of mine was really into the blood moon event and grinded the shit out of it. Was done in perhaps a 1,5 weeks or 2 (always limited time a day , because of work you know) . I just waited for the weapons to get into the tech tree, then played for like 2 hours and had all the weapons and ammo that i could unlock.

So why even bother with events.

[warm zephyr]

well, you dangle a carrot and people will chase it

ntm it's the only place to get vit and stam shot skins

[cerulean bane]

And why would you need those? ^^

[worthy knoll]

I am still disappointed by the Miko DLC Not having a Katana skin for the Saber while talking about it in her Backstory and showing it in the Trailer. Instead giving useless throwing knifes and a Bow thats mit even a real Japanese Yumi.

[warm zephyr]

don't need it but I'm just getting it for my ocd

[warm zephyr]

true that

can we also talk about how much of a farce the meridian turncoat dlc was?

hunter ripped from the event, copy paste dolches and the only unique ammo box skin

[cerulean bane]

I mean, i get for example why you would get the skin for the alert trip mine (because it had a different flare color, which i think was cool). But the last consumable i remember to unlock was the concertina mine which was painted a bit white. Why would you want a trap that you can see more easily?

[warm zephyr]

I like skins.

I would pay for them

but i ask you to respect my time and my money

[cerulean bane]

Dont get me wrong @warm zephyr , i like skins too, and i do pay for them. But they have to be at a good value/amount for the money payed. And if they are part of a grindy event (yes i think the blood moon was very grindy) , the skins have to look at least awesome. But i never had the feeling that the "rewards" were rewarding for the amount of time you had to put into the events. That is why i dont care for these kind of skins anymore.

[warm zephyr]

i see your point and i feel you. We're increasingly getting less for more and I loathe that. Free track rewards are so backloaded it isn't even funny. It's like we're treated as a product for something we paid for and it's unacceptable

[rose ferry]

i swear it seems like we get fewer upgrade points for our hunters now and there are fewer hunters with all small bars.. I could be wrong but maybe this was changed so more ppl spend blood bonds to respec? I thought they were going to remove this ages ago. it is the one thing i find incredibly frustrating

[tawny meadow]

Refactoring of the blood bond system to remove them from gameplay elements is planned for this summer, more details here - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1368

For the "getting fewer upgrade points"... it's just bad luck. The other day i had a legendary hunter with Conduit, Doctor and Frontiersman

[empty sigil]

That was announced so long ago that it proves my point about crytek innovating at a glacial speed, to the point where I lost hope it was going to happen, but I guess later is better than never

[tawny meadow]

It was confirmed a month ago in the video i posted. When it was hinted a long time ago it was a "we are planning to do that in the future". A lot of things happened and have been added in the meanwhile.

[little carbon]

Also consider that that is probably a very low priority feature since it basically has no impact on the game

[tawny meadow]

It has.

[empty sigil]

My point still stands dude, at the end of the day, how hard is it really to remove the BB cost to change health bars or traits? It can't really be that difficult, but it was "hinted" almost a year ago, they may have added stuff between now and then but how much of it had been asked for 18 months ago, how much of it had been pushed back so they can add things for the sole purpose of making more money, all while things that are asked for are "held back".

And it does have a huge impact on the game, being able to change that trait you never use on a new hunter for free is huge, same with the health chunks, their are major advantages to having more small bars when being downed, even having a small, big, small, and the final big gives you more times to be downed over having all big bars, changing them for free is huge, allowing you to play how you like, the only advantage to having 3 big bars is saving medkits and for solos, maybe burn rate, but if teammates can't get to you it doesn't matter.

[little carbon]

Not really. Respec isnt that expensive currently, and you do get a lot of BB by just playing. You also only have to do it once per Hunter instead of once per match.
I agree that Hunt Dollars are better suited for it. Honestly i do hope it will cost somewhat substantial amounts of HD so respecing becomes less of a freebie than it is now

[empty sigil]

I'd agree with it costing HD

But a premium currency, no

That's close to the paid for loot boxes, albeit that you can earn the BBs

[tawny meadow]

Having a huge impact - on that we agree, in fact i can't wait for it to be added, i really like it.
For it to being held back until now... well, there can be a lot of reasons. The first that comes to my mind is that they wanted to see how the BB economy have been affected in these months.

[empty sigil]

I won't disagree that it needs to be tested, but does it really need to take an entire year?

[tawny meadow]

Apparently, yes 😄

[empty sigil]

XD

Fair comment

I'd honestly be happy paying like 500HD per trait or health bar I wanted to change, Im not the best at the game, so I don't play with the big guns unless I'm trying to meme, so having something to dent my millions would be nice

[tight delta]

rename function calls from ConsumeBBs() -> ConsumeHuntDollars() 😄

[tawny meadow]

Oh yeah the price can be fairly high and i wouldn't mind

[empty sigil]

Is that all it would take? I honestly wouldn't know, my knowledge of game Dev is limited

I understand how to do things, but the language eludes me

[tight delta]

It's hard to say without seeing what kind of spaghetti Hunt runs on, but it should be almost this easy 😄

[empty sigil]

I'd agree because it surely can't affect literal gameplay aside from the traits, but you can already do it with BBs so surely changing the currency used can't be too hard

[little carbon]

Its not going to be the code base that is making up the work in this change, its going to be the simulation on how this affects both HD and BB economy

[tight delta]

It's good to analyze and come up with proper Hunt dollar values etc.

[little carbon]

I wouldnt be surprised if they lower BB income alongside cause you dont have repeating BB costs anymore

[tight delta]

But it is taking its sweet time. I'm sure the devs are just working on more important stuff as of now.

[little carbon]

Which would be fair in my opinion

[tawny meadow]

That's why my guess is that they have waited so long not for mere technical reasons (but ehy, it may be, i'm not so good at game dev)

[little carbon]

As someone with knowledge in the field i would bet at around 90% confidence it isnt for technical reasons

Its too simple of a system

[tawny meadow]

Btw summer is around the corner, hope to see that change soon 🙂

[little carbon]

Chances are good i would assume.
I kinda wish they would refactor somethings about the HD system in general with it. I would love to see all the static HD rewards, like from the dark tribute go away.
Reduces the overall a bit bloated income and puts the focus on the bounty

[tight delta]

Hoping for great changes too! Been having a longer vacation from Hunt myself, but I would love to return some day 😎

[worthy knoll]

Well but shouldnt the price be reasonable for everyone? Old and new, rich and poor Players?? And tbh If respecing one traut Costs more than a legendary Hunter, I would rather reroll and hire a new Hunter. Since its cheaper.

[tight delta]

I haven't played at all during the left peek / reload fixes, but I'm super glad those got addressed.

A bit bummed out about the limited time events as I don't have much time to spend grinding at them, argh.

[empty sigil]

im more annoyed about getting locked out of my local regions while its more than acceptable to play US east at 150 ping xD

and tbh, thats my only other gripe with the game

[gritty pebble]

PC: JohnyskoCZ.....

[little carbon]

I am pretty sure you are not supposed to directly tag crytek or discord staff

[gritty pebble]

sorry but I got banned from the game and I don't know why.

[tawny meadow]

#customer-support is the way, not tagging Community Managers.

[pearl summit]

@onyx urchin we love night maps. There's a lot ppl love to play it. If u don't like it - leave the game ffs

[worthy knoll]

And there are a Lot of people who dont Like night Maps too

[quiet iris]

That’s why he is saying to leave the map, probably.

[analog willow]

I second this! I’d love to spend Hunt Dollars. BB should be for purchasing cosmetic items, and as a convenience tool for new and wealthy players. In fact, I think it should be added to many other systems as an alternate currency to Hunt Dollars. Adding an optional BB cost to weapons would not affect the veteran community, and would only be purchased by new and wealthy players looking for a shortcut to the “grind” of early game Hunt money. This would only add revenue for the game and allow for more team members to produce more content for the game🥳🥳🥳

[worthy knoll]

Ah, yes. I assumed He meant Stop playing the Game altogether^^

[empty sigil]

Or, crytek could do something to help the less able sighted, it really wouldnt hurt the players that like night maps, but would totally make life better for those who dont, meaning those night lobbies that people get forced into would more likely stay full instead of 1, 2 or half the server leaving because it feels debilitating for them to play on night maps, which would help towards ending the "too many empty servers" i have seen people complain about, i wonder how many of them are actually half empty night map servers, this surely also then means theres less servers open with half the players on there meaning less stress on the servers overall.

[tight delta]

People with disabilities should clearly just leave the game.

But -- I don't get the argument that if you don't like something, you just need to leave - The channel is called "feedback", not "positive feedback only".

I don't prefer playing on night maps, but don't find them to be too bad. I do see that you can get an advantage with some gamma and color adjustments, and with the right monitor panel type / settings.

[pearl summit]

As far as I know, they have already made improvements to the night maps several times. What else to do? Add 2-3 moons for better visibility and add torches to all zombies? Do not be ridiculous, think at the beginning and offer your idea. Not "Сrytek could do something"

[empty sigil]

better than "if you dont like night maps, just leave" fuck outta here with that shizz

[analog willow]

I’d love an NPC shop inside the map where you could buy weapons and consumables to modify your build depending on the situation you load into

[empty sigil]

nah that defeats the object of the game, you go in with what you feel like playing, there is more than enough world drop weapons and with the new saddle bags theres even more, the weapon holsters have huuuuuuge variety

[analog willow]

I disagree. I'd love more ways to interact with the world and make it feel more alive

[analog willow]

Additionally, an NPC shop would also allow you to adapt to other situations as well. For instance, a bounty team that refuses to leave a trapped up bosses lair. Right now it's just a waiting game if you don't have dynamite. An NPC shop would allow a player to run and buy something to deal with that situation, whereas now the only safe solution is to play the waiting game. If I can run to a shop, buy dynamite, and run back and you're still holed up in the bosses lair, well I guess you deserve to have dynamite thrown in through window haha

[unborn dagger]

Exactly

We have plenty of world drops instead of a stupid npc to sell us crap

[empty sigil]

and by the time youve ran there and back the bounty team (if they have any brains) would have left, making the shop pointless, again, the point of the world drop weapons is for exactly what your describing, but like everything else in hunt, sometimes, its the luck of the draw

[analog willow]

Just adding more player choices 🙂 They absolutely can run away. Which goes back to your point of "bring the right build from the start". But if you make a mistake or to deal with a situation you didn't plan on running into, you could have the option, a risky one, to correct your mistake with an NPC shop. If they have what you need at the time...

[unborn dagger]

The world is as alive as it should be because of the players not because of a dumb npc that gives you the ability to buy and sell stuff. Players shooting out in the distance, blowing meatheads or bosses up, shootouts happening between players? That's not alive for you?

[analog willow]

The game feels very alive, and I love it!

[unborn dagger]

Could not agree more!

[empty sigil]

you are literally incapable of pre-empting every situation that you may encounter in the bayou, which is kinda the point in how the loadouts are set out, you pick what you feel is right for how you want to play that game, you shouldnt be able to deal with every situation every game, unless you luckily come across the right weapon at the right time, which can and does happen, putting a shop in just incentivises sniper camping, which in and of itself i have no problem with, its a legitimate playstyle, but having a shop just means that players will bunch up where they are not necessarily supposed to be for a reason that doesnt need fixing, this isnt fork-knife, you pick the loadout you feel best suits you, you go in, try your best with what youve got, you get out with or without bounty or you die, simple as, at the end of the day, if you come up against a sniper and you have a shotgun, run away or hide till he gives up, if you come up against shotgun boss lair campers and you have a sniper with nothing to push in with, get out of Dark sight range and try to predict where theyll go and get LoS to get that headshot, which is also the great equaliser, you could be a sniper and get 150m HS by a sparks pistol, or you could be the shotgunner who gets wallbanged like a bitch, the game doesnt need anything like a shop in game, more world drop weapons maybe, or a higher frequency of them, but a shop will ruin the game IMO

[analog willow]

Just saw this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M67C1I6PJ3A
Looks great!

[knotty ore]

Empty servers outside of events kind of ruin that for me. People like events. But, the competitive integrity of the game is non-existent. High MMR gameplay is not fostered, or cared for. Game is not really healthy and needs a lot of love its not getting currently. Hunt could be much more popular than it is now.

[empty sigil]

Healthy servers would be a good start tbh, iv said it enough, but being locked out of your own region (eu) because the servers are over 300 ping while US east and west are below 150 is appalling, worst part is, it happens in the peak times (between 3pm and 8pm for me at least) but iv noticed so many russian/North US/south US/asian players on the EU servers (for whatever reason, dead region maybe) that clearly the EU servers start to melt at a certain time.

[unborn dagger]

@strong wren That's not an issue with the game that's just you being bad at protecting your downed team mate and not finding a way to protect his body or a way to revive him.

[warm zephyr]

@misty yew don't take this the wrong way but you really need to learn how to use punctuations.

[misty yew]

Yeah I do agree I’m bad at it

[warm zephyr]

you should try splitting up your sentences

[misty yew]

I usually just forget but I will try to remember in the future

[knotty ore]

Hey man, type however you want, I'm not picky.

[terse owl]

Anyone use the poison shots then run into a hive and it’ll leave you with a blurry screen? Like you’ve been poisoned

[vernal haven]

This is a know issue; you can sometimes fix it by climbing a ladder or changing your texture settings

Incredibly random, I know

[worthy knoll]

Ah yes, of course i would throw away my Mosin/Level for a Winnie from a hunting Tower instead of Just leaving.

I her that attaching scopes does Not Work but detaching should.

[empty sigil]

what shit are you chatting?

[worthy knoll]

you said that its pat of the game to have a loadout and stick with it even if the weather is bad (e.g. sniper scope in Fog). And that there are enoigh world guns spawning that help you. I say, nobody would put away their expensive gun for the mid-tier stuff that you find, except on a free hunter where its a real upgrade to have a vetterli.

which is to say, I too dont want a NPC merchant. I just leave when its fog.

[empty sigil]

I understand now, but still, joys of the game, if you want to spend almost 1000 HDs on a gun and then for one game it may not be useable, then leave, i get told that all the time when i "whinge" i cant see on night or fog

[crystal plume]

And the main reason they are experimenting with the wildcard system is to give people that choice anyways where they can prepare their loadout for the kind of visibility they are going to have in the match

[empty sigil]

You are literally advocating for a fortnite style of play where if you feel slightly hard done by with your choice and RNG you can change it mid game so you always feel like the king, guess what, life dont work like that and while this maybe a "game" it still has some principles, why would a shop owner, even a rare gun merchant, be hiding in a zombie infested bayou waiting for what, maybe 1 or 2 random hunters he didnt know would turn up to trade him their (possibly) shittier weapons, even if the shop is added, who says that you can sell your gun or even store it and youll likely get the same range of weapons as what the world drops and saddle bags offer you.

[worthy knoll]

I do that. I dont play Mosin SNiper/Lebel Marksman on Fog. It just does not make sense to waste this gun. Has nothing to do with Fortnite stuff. Its the sensible choice, one would make irl too.

[worthy knoll]

I know and thats good

[empty sigil]

Then you get out, why does a shop need to be introduced?

[crystal plume]

He specifically said that he doesn't want an NPC merchant either ^

You're arguing against an argument that wasn't made

[worthy knoll]

Yes. I was simply arguing against the notion that its reasonable to change your expensive bought gun for a saddlebag/hunting tower gun (which is most likely a winnfield, maybe a Sparks)

[empty sigil]

oh my bad, must of misread it then, sowwie

i told you i have bad eye sight xD

[empty sigil]

i read this as "i too want a NPC merchant" yh i see my mistake now :/

[worthy knoll]

Its alright. The Matter was settled before we got into a heated Argument. 😉

[stray horizon]

@queen jungle I love the stored and pistol combo but do you envision still being able to AGSDS with the pistol or would it be like duelies?

[queen jungle]

That depends, in my opinion the ADS would be the same as regular pistol except the sway and recoil are worse

[stray horizon]

hmmm ya see i think it should be like dualies personally

[queen jungle]

I think that'd be a bit harsh considering it isn't exactly as oppressive as dualies

[analog willow]

Throwing in another two cents on the NPC shop. Adding a shop would mitigate a large portion of early game leavers and make the game feel more populated. It also adds another "meeting place" for hunters and objective on the map, allowing for more player choices, future event tie ins, more complicated questlines involving NPC's

Stirring the pot a little (unrelated to the shop) it was mentioned that you don't want to lose an expensive weapon that is ill-suited for the environment. What if there was a way to "stash" your weapon and have it stored safe somewhere, and you run the rest of the match without that weapon and with whatever you could scavenge?

Another thought on the shop: Perhaps the shop has a random spawn (inside a currently unpopulated houses that are boarded up) to provide cover for the buyer, and the NPC itself can be killed (allowing no one else to use it). Maybe the shop isn't even shown on the map?

[unborn dagger]

Sounds awful and just goes against the devs idea of wanting the player to stay dedicated to the weapon they bring in.

[queen jungle]

The devs have previously talked about dedicating yourself to a loadout. If you bring a sniper scope and end up on a fog map, it's part of the challenge and proves skill to be able to deal with it regardless.
Your team should always synch their loadouts so you can cover as many possibilities as possible.

And leaving a map because one brought the wrong loadout shows lack of adaptability in my opinion.

we dont have sounds in soundboard in hunt show down server
this is a very big proplem

[analog willow]

And I think that would still be the case with a shop, depending how the shop works. If it were random in spawn, limited in it's supply (there could be as little as one or two weapons there if you wanted), it would make the shop as unreliable as finding a weapon in the wild. Additionally, you'd have to pay to pick up the shop's weapons, making it a less than ideal choice, and would incur a heavy cost on someone trying to change their build, unlike picking up another player's weapon's

And the NPC can be killed, so in the event you find one, or had previously found one, it could be unavailable, making it possibly less consistent than looting a corpse (as I'm sure many players will go out of their way to kill the shops when they find them)

And I say shops, but it could be as simple as an NPC trapped in a little corner willing to trade you their Romero for 800 Hunt Dollars, or as complex as a mystical swamp witch that sells potions and consumables

[crystal plume]

[vernal haven]

@full jewel there is a "play again" button for Quickplay in the end screen

[full jewel]

is there? never have seen it lmao

got any photos cause i guess its really hidden

[vernal haven]

It's just at the bottom of the screen with the other buttons; I could send a picture when I play Quickplay in a little while

[full jewel]

huh cool thanks :)

[reef chasm]

How do I mute the server so game feed stops pinging me about more cosmetic skins that do nothing?

[little carbon]

Thats why i'd like to see the contracts flipped. Have a true random standard contract (in which leaving gets more punished than it is now) and have an alternate contract that guarantees to not be in any special time of day, at the cost of rewards.

That allows people who lack adaptability to not have to deal with these situations at a justified cost

[opaque moss]

Hi, Anyone think that the Throwing Knives needs to be cheaper than the Throwing Axes?

[unborn dagger]

Yes and especially since they deal less damage

[unborn sandal]

@jagged wagon the damage report is in testing and shouldn’t be taken too seriously. What likely happened is your shot or explosive hit both a grunt and a player, and when that happens it will count all the damage towards the player

[crude karma]

to add on to that, anyone think the throwing knifes shouldnt cost any stamina to throw?

[jagged wagon]

Bomblance hit to the chest, square on, nothing behind, to the side or in front of them. I know its in beta, I watched the stream, but if this doesn't get fed back, will they know its happening and know to fix it?

[sly hinge]

I think its a bit ridiculous that there is no disclaimer that states when you die in the game that you lose the legendary gun skins you spent money on. To top it off i lost a weapon skin that wasnt even on me

[rugged iron]

You loose the gun not the skin. If u buy the gun again u can put the skin on it again

[sly hinge]

ok so i bought the reaper but i dont have the throwing axes or the repeater skin anymore

[rugged iron]

You do

Under the weapons there is 2 arrows

[sly hinge]

yes that weapon isnt there anymore

[rugged iron]

To toggle between skins

Do you even have it unlocked?

[sly hinge]

i understand how to change the skins, hmm didnt realize there were parameters for the unlocks of weapons

[rugged iron]

Ah kk

Ye u gotta play the base variant of a weapon to get the other variants and ammo types

U can all see it under arsenal

It shows you what you need to so to progress in a weapon

And also if u buy a dlc u get one free instance of every skin and the hunter

So thats why u had it

[sly hinge]

i bought alot

like ALOT before i knew all of this

Thank you for the help

[rugged iron]

No problem

[sly hinge]

i was alittle heated not gonna lie

hah

i straight thought i spent money for no reason

[rugged iron]

I feel that 😄 there are a lot of things the game is unclear about at the beginning

[sly hinge]

well back to playing

[rugged iron]

Enjoy

[knotty ore]

The missile speed should be way faster too. Right now there isn't a point in using them outside of memeing.

[quiet iris]

@celest kettle people are not a big fan of avtomat and/or bornheim/dolch. Don’t think anybody will like an lmg. But it does kinda fit the bill of the time period.

[queen jungle]

@neat wagon but wouldn't that devalue actually coming I with an original strategy if others could easily copy you instead of wondering and having to figure out how you pulled it off?

[quiet iris]

Not inspector, but - no? You learn it. You will never be able to reproduce it 100%, but you can learn a strategy and add it’s lessons to your repertoire.

[queen jungle]

But if I had figured out a good strategy, I'd want to use it for my advantage and not have the first player I meet copy it by watching a replay.

This feature would only cause gameplay to be pushed more towards meta in my opinion

[quiet iris]

And will also allow for less cheat-accusations or easier to find them.

Not everybody will check a full match.

And we already have dozens of streamers affecting the “meta”. But in the end - the Mets still stays the same.

[unborn sandal]

@ripe sandal you can already see if a clue has been taken

[queen jungle]

The bomblance is op can it possibly be nerfed like maybe steel ball being removed or harpoon?

[queen jungle]

Making it easier to identify efficient strategies would purge even more variation from the game though, and we'd have even more (mostly high-MMR) players complaining about seeing the same things every match 😄

[vernal haven]

...What do you mean by "efficient strategies"? Could you give a theoretical example? Because I'm having a really hard time seeing how this would be any kind of issue. You can't replicate someone's exact positioning and have it be useful except for maybe once out of a hundred times (if even that), because your opponents aren't going to behave the same way or be in the same situation. The only "strategies" that are meta-decided boil down to loadouts, as positioning is a skill, not something you can memorize and replicate exactly.

[queen jungle]

In my experience the game isn't nearly as variable since most people in high-MMR use almost the same gear and tactics most of the time.

[unborn smelt]

You can't replicate someone's exact positioning and have it be useful except for maybe once out of a hundred times...

Yes you can... there are still many less known "hidden" peek spots or traversal options for example.

[analog willow]

Día De Los Muertos event concept art:

^Spitballing ideas for Dia De Los Muertos: Perhaps making changes to some zombie textures during the event to more skeleton-like? Lore being that the energy raising the dead is the strongest near the day of the dead, and so even corpses that shouldn't be "raised" are given life. Limited-time "skeleton" looking boss during the event? (the lore, again, being that it raised from the dead during the event)

I also want to again bring up the idea of having Hunter skins that "Die" as part of other stories, questlines, and "living world occurances", and become unusable by players. Tying that into this event, those Hunters could be available to players again during the Dia De Los Muertos event when they can return to walk the earth for a time

[analog willow]

Adding in some arguments for making this a yearly event, beyond the obvious of reusing assets, having an event as an almost "holiday" in the game would establish more of a passage of time in the game, and a calendar within the game, making it feel more alive and like each day in the game is new and different and leading somewhere (a living world that ages)

Additionally, this would add more to a sense of "age" to a Hunter that has been kept alive for awhile. Increasing player attachment to their Avatars

[analog willow]

Adding more to this concept of a calendar, and as a way to tie other events into the Dia De Los Muertos event so that they connect from a story perspective, you could do other events at the Summer Solstice, and the Winter Equinox that also play around with those systems of "returning hunters & bosses" and have events during those times that build off the larger story, tying them into character archs of those would use voodoo, witchcraft, or raise the dead during those times.

[little badger]

Deat Crytek , give uss an Option to chosse what map we want play . i cant see anymore that desalle map , i got these map now 5 times in a row , ........ now 6 time ,,,,,, is not funny ....anymore now 7 times .... now 8 times ...9 times

[analog willow]

Adding more to this: I really like this. The mood and atmosphere is right on the mark for preparing a new player for what Hunt Showdown is. I think the start should be moved in location to one of the "Dog Cage" traps out in "the boonies" in the middle of nowhere, though.

[knotty ore]

Why does quickplay still affect MMR?

That seems so awful and easy to fix.

[neat wagon]

I suppose I see your point, I was thinking more about finding better ways to counter certain strategies or improve your own decisions. I'm not a very high skill player, so I was never worried about people copying me. I think it would be more cool to see what loadouts to bring and what people do with them. I also think it would definitely make it much easier to investigate alleged hackers. I can't really say how it would effect high level play because i'm not up there.

[glacial rose]

collecting gator traps is such a pain in the, you know what!!! dumb task

[karmic ivy]

Probably because when there is enough players in quickplay they will start to sort it by MMR.

@feral cairn Looked like a good hit to me.

[feral cairn]

frame-by-frame i fired my gun at this moment

[karmic ivy]

You were moving your aim point while shooting, and the shot is not instant.

at that speed of movment, it looks right.

[knotty ore]

There aren't enough players to begin with because it affects MMR.

[karmic ivy]

That is an assumption.

[vernal haven]

Well, if you're referring to individual spots, yes, that's true, you can definitely use them. A single peek isn't a "strategy" most of the time, though (so it's not at risk of making fights identical, because it's still going to be a different situation between all the players), and I don't think that gatekeeping spots like that is something that makes sense as a motivator for balance decisions. Even if it is easier to find those angles, though, that'll just speed up the memorization a bit, which will still take thousands of hours.

[foggy thorn]

Why aren't there more Sparks LRR Sniper skins????

[unborn sandal]

Because the sparchie is the only skin you need

[worthy knoll]

Nah Seven Sights

[foggy thorn]

Can't get seven sights because I wasn't playing the game back when that was on Twitch drops!

[worthy knoll]

I have the Same Problem with the Moonflower. I did Not Play that Event.

[warm zephyr]

@analog willow only wants one thing and I respect that

[unborn sandal]

[analog willow]

😊

[onyx edge]

they have brought twitch drops back in the past, usually included in the next drop event

[analog willow]

Funnily enough, I was working on a Mongolian Pirate Ship event pitch that I haven’t fully worked out😂 Stay tuned!

[knotty ore]

I really want to hear that pitch as Mongolia is completely land-locked. By, "pirate ship" you probably mean a horse carriage.

[coral pulsar]

How do you seige in 3's? The game was meant do be duos and I can't get through 3 concertina bombs, 30% more eyes, traps, barrels pointed at me.

[analog willow]

Mongol invasion of Japan, 13th century 🙂

[knotty ore]

Ok, but you know how that shit went, right? Most of them weren't Mongols, they were from conquered nations. A lot of them died sailing to Japan. A ton more died trying to get on land.

Mostly because they couldn't even disembark their horses lol

Mongols were good on horseback, but they were kind of shit in water.

Don't think many Mongols were actual pirates? Maybe at the height of their empire there were Chinese pirates under Mongol rule?

[analog willow]

All it takes is one🙂 A new legend to be written! A ghostly Mongolian Pirate Ship appearing in the Bayou

[knotty ore]

With the update you should be able to crack-syringe horses and ride them for a limited time. This should allow you to use the bow from horseback.

[obsidian narwhal]

@fair ether "Yet- we have the explosive crossbow bolts, which are not problematic"

that's where you're wrong

explosive xbow is insanely OP

[knotty ore]

If the multiverse theory is correct there is definitely a universe where explosive bolts are op. Its just not this one.

[obsidian narwhal]

it is, though

it's a goddamn nightmare to fight against explosive xbows

if i hear one i'm not even trying

there hasn't been a single occasion where i've engaged an explosive xbow and came out on top in over 2100 hours of playing this game

nitros and avtos are a joke compared to this garbage

[raven pebble]

really need to get a grip on cheaters, the report system does nothing ye never look or punish these players even with proof they maybe get a week or 2, ruins a game ye put time and effort into

[karmic ivy]

!elo

[marsh garden]

Blogpost about matchmaking from 1.5.1: https://www.huntshowdown.com/news/update-on-matchmaking-improvements
QnA about 1.5.1 changes: https://youtu.be/Xt3ZeTBCMCI
Video about 1.6 star system and team details screen: https://youtu.be/JGF2VPQXfSw
Report unfair matchmaking here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/594650/discussions/8/3191364956938130750/

[karmic ivy]

Don't let your fear of cheats ruin your fun.

The fear is worse than the actual thing. This is the key.
You will find you can actually have fun. You just have to get a hold of your thoughts of cheats and fears about being victim to them. They are like a cloud and will block your fun if you let them.

[analog willow]

No one stops you from having fun but you❤️

[fair ether]

how so

[analog willow]

Is the reason for not adding weapons such as sledgehammer, pitchfork, shovel, ect. as purchasable items to make those items “wild finds” and more “special” when they’re used?

[obsidian narwhal]

You mean apart from the virtually unlimited range onetap dynamite with no cooking and a much higher velocity than thrown consumables?

[unborn dagger]

And they also get increased reload with the trait which is fucked