#feedback-discussion

Does everything need to have a place in all the possible loadouts / team comps?

I play solo and duos all the time with Flechette

It rewards good positioning and tool use

Buckshot rewards lobomizing yourself and rushing in

No, but i'm trying to make this ammo more reliable... why should i use flechette if buckshot and slugs are always more consistent?

If you have Flechette just know you aren’t as effective at close range and play around it

It's plenty reliable imo, but I do change my playstyle to fit the ammo whenever I run flechette.

I'll use one example:
The effective range for headshots using long barreled shotguns is 14 meters for headshots only - the same as the buckshots - why should i use a flechette at all? If the advantage is the pressure bleeding does, i sincerely rather use dragon's breath..

It's like you have to play it like it's not even a shotgun, because it loses the typical benefits of a shotgun 😄

Dragon’s breath won’t outright kill them

Bleeding will as long as you pressure them to stop quelling their bleeding

Dragon's breath isn't as effective at longer ranges, I think.

Come to think, I'm not sure if I've ever properly picked up and used dragon's breath in my loadouts.

For me flechette is a support ammo type..

Oh yeah, I understand this point of view, because I call it support ammo as well 😄 😄

Thanks for giving me some loadout ideas, I need to check Dragon's Breath out more thoroughly.

If someone shoot you further away with flechette, don't panic... it's just light bleed.. peek him and put pressure on him.. he'll stop rushing you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gAtrv3rF90&t=1s&ab_channel=Huuge

That's why it works in team situations better, when there's multiple people that can pressure the bleeding enemy. Though I don't fully agree with it being completely useless in duos or solos, as the flechette shot + sidearm tag is really powerful. Requires a bit more time to pull off that OHK'ing, of course. But the range is great, if you pack a decent sidearm.

I wouldn't run it as a solo myself.

Haha, the start preview on the video is great already 😄

I remember having hard time landing my Dragon's breath due to the low muzzle velocity.

#skill_issue

It's fun, because if you set the guy on fire, he loses a little bar instantly + he makes the burning noise + he glows making him easier to wallbang + the fire blocks part of his view, and after that you could 1 shot him to the chest with a 125+ damage gun if he peeks you after putting out the fire.

That sounds horrible, I love it

Do you have any specific loadout you like to run?

one more thing... you can 1 shot people to the chest with dragon's breath if he's close enough.. with flechette you can't.

My favorite loadout is always use something different.
But i have to say Crossbow Shot Bolt is probably the most fun for me.

Oh yeah, last time I played I borrowed shot bolt crossbow from a dead hunter, fun stuff.

Landing those arched artillery shots is tough 😄

I was interested in knowing if you were running some specific loadouts when using Dragon's Breath.

The terminus + levering combo with whatever sidearm looks devastating

Specter Dragon's Breath seems good for me, but you need to know that you'll almost never one shot people and use it just to put pressure... 👍
For sidearm it's your choice.

I think that the best are terminus with levering for the spam, and the specter if you want more range

Same for flechette

Times of day should match the real time of day at the server location. This way the endless debate could easily come to an end in the most natural and fair way. HuntSmart

Really screws people that have to work, i would be forced to mainly play night except on weekends

I'd be okay with higher rewards for night-time matches but enough people use workarounds(Reshade/GPU/monitor display settings, etc.) that it doesn't make sense to adjust that. For every one person that complains there are 5 that hit a button and can see everything just fine.

explosive is very good on crossbow

if the devs wanted, they could fix it. Ban reshade and do what Rust did to their nights. The only way to cheese night in Rust is through cheat programs.

Terrible idea. I only play at night lol. I'd just stop playing the game.

don't you think it would just be more effective to tag them to the body with any other gun? It basically makes sure you team mates next shot will kill. Everytime I used flechette or dragonsbreath I regret it. I end up getting 1 tapped by another shotgun while not killing them or I end up getting destroyed by a long ammo weapon as t hey seemingly don't get flinched and just headtap me or leave me within a sneeze of dying when I try to use it at medium r ange.

Lol nope?! Then Most people would okay at night?
How about Inverted, much better for the General Player base

What is the point in having seperate servers if 65% of eu is players from china...
Really makes you wonder if the client side ping advantage thing needs to do a 180.

@novel nimbus just type “poison” in the search bar and all poison ammo guns will show up

You could play in a different region. According to popular belief, that would also make you a great player due to supposed ping abuse.

Or how about the times of day get synced to real-life Louisiana time. That would be as immersive as possible!

I know you can do that, but poison also gets its own tab why not give bleeding one aswell?

You're absolutely right! And people still think this ammo type is "well balanced"... of course my dude... people panic in 3 stars lobbies when you put light/medium bleed in them... but that doesn't work anymore in 5 + stars lobbies...

That's only true if you play very aggressive, but I've noticed bigger pinh differences= more insane trades.

why do people hate pvp so much

i dont get it

Hunt isn't a purely PvP shooter like hundreds of others out there. PvE is a core component of the game and thus is attracts mostly those players wishing to have a combined PvP/PvE experience

just type “dumdum”

poison was an example

it works for any ammo type

nobody said it should be, but PVP can be so rare that you can barely call it pvpve anymore, if a match takes 15-30 min on average, and it could take you 2-3 matches to get even 1 good fight, then it would seem reasonable to me to add atleast something for the people who enjoy PVP. its not out of PVE player experience either.

your mentality seems to be "if i cant enjoy the game, then nobody should" 😄

I get good fights almost every game

and they rarely last longer than 20 minutes

Having a fight per match is perfectly fine, especially in trios where there are only four teams in total most of the time.

The devs have stated in the past that PvP is supposed to be relatively rare in a match of Hunt, but all the more intense due to the punishing mechanics of death.

This is not a BR with dozens or hundreds of players going at each other with the objective of being the sole survivor.

i even made it clear in the suggestion that im not asking for pure pvp / deathmatch, im simply asking to reduce the downtime between fights and pointless running around for nothing atleast in 1 contract mode.

as long as the player base is as big as it is, introducing more modes to split it up further will only give you way longer queue times and half empty servers. i

on the other hand perhaps the playerbase would be larger if so many players werent bored of just running around looking for people to fight with 95% of the playtime xD

as i haven't seen your complaint very often, i doubt that 🙂

I seem to get at least one good fight per match or two at a minimum. I have not had trouble finding combat at all.

ive made similar suggestions since years ago, i think its healthy to bring the subject up every now and then but i also understand its pointless for me to complain as it achieves nothing

i just think, you're talking about a different game then. the "hunt" part in this game is part of the fun for most people and would be completely erradicated in a mode like that. it would be "fight" showdown.

doubt

maybe some existing players would be happier but it wouldn’t really draw in many new players

and the immediate playerbase split could probably lead to reduced player counts over time due to difficulty finding matches

id be happy with a compromise, if the design direction is as Finall said, and pvp is meant to be scarce, small adjustment to how scarce could be reasonable.

also remember that experience varies greatly depending on your elo, as all the biggest streamers have stated its true best experience is at around 4 stars but in 6 star lobbies i constantly see teams just avoid all pvp like it was the plague and it makes the game less fun.

maybe we'll see a one or two more teams per map in the future, i think that might result in more pvp and less chance to avoid a confrontation

that would be awesome, and that would also make the pvp more risky/punishing. now everyone and their mom can afford to play avtomat every match so if the design was to make pvp punishing, its safe to say that goal kinda failed already.

not sure if it was on the actual roadmap but i remember having heard about that idea. i'd like that, too.

@pearl summit all ai has a passive attack range and an alert attack range, and they will attack whatever is closest to them. If they get changed from passive to alert and you are suddenly in their range and you are closest they will attack you

that's why its BS

Glad the night maps are coming back, cheaters be damned I just miss them

Please do something about the flashbang. its ridiculous overpowered. there is 0 logic about how they work

i mean it's basically meant to incapacitate your vision if you're in the impact radius. i think it works as intended, no?

PvP being rare is fake news as its the only rare if your server isn't full. PvP is the absolute primary focus in any match as the AI and bosses can be killed paying very little attention once you understand their mechanics. Whatever the devs have intended is ultimately irrelevant as this is a PvP game with PvE elements, not the other way around.

If PvP wasn't the main focus, I'd run through every set of crows on purpose because I like the caw caw sounds.

Ecactly

Also Based

You seem to have missunderstood the point...
In a match of trios there's only 4 teams. With up to two bosses, and lasting consequences like lost HP bars etc. It's not uncommon to only get 1-2 engagements depending on spawn locations, etc.
Compared to a BR with far more players/teams and game mechanics built around enforcing as much combat as possible, that is relatively little PvP.

Yes ofc PvP is a core pillar of Hunt - but Hunt is deliberately built around making that little amount of PvP, as intense as possible, hence the PvE buildup, "high stakes" in regards to possible loss of hunter, gear, HP and leaving open a multiutude of tactical options, including retreat and flee.

PvP and PvE are both invaluable intertwined parts of how Hunt is supposed to play out and what makes it play out unique, hence hunt being a PvEvP game.
The PvP gives it the replay value, while the PvE massively dictates how Hunt plays unique to other games. But interesting enough nothing in the game ever forces you to actually PvP. All the PvP in Hunt (at least in the original BH mode) is entirely based on people wanting what someone else has or wants too, or peoples desire to fight. There is no circle needed, no PvP enforced as onjective - that really sets it apart from other "PvP games with PvE elements" to the point i would even argue that it's destictly not a PvP game with PvE elements, because that PvP element is never actually enforced (in the original and main gamemode that is BH) and the PvE part takes a very large amount of the overall playtime.

The hunt map is really not that big. You have one engagement in a full server, someone else joins and you end up in a huge fight and at some point you kill a couple and move on because everyone is just sitting somewhere waiting. Then you get to boss and someone else comes you have another engagement and if you win you end up fighting the remaining people at extract who've gone to get another bounty and now they are full HP. When I play Hunt I PVP pretty much majority of the match. The AI is just there to be annoying, it has no impact on how the game turns out unless you make noise.

PVE is not invaluable, its just there to be, "the map". It dictates how you move around.

Oh the Ai has a lot of impact on how the game goes. Its entire point is changing the way you deal with them to decide when the AI needs to go fast, when it needs to die quiet or when dealing with AI slows the enemy down.

All that has often significant impact on how games go...
But thats by design

Ofc the AI is not the primary threat, as in its super difficult or dangerous to you directly. But it doesn't need to be either

the fact that you can hold it forever...and how fast it's active is the pr oblem. Most of the fights at mid 5 -6 star are people spamming flashes as an opener because it will almost always end with the flashed guy dead. It lasts too long. If you can hear the fuse you're probably dead. There is no counterplay besides " don't play the objective"

I also think, its effect is lasting too long. I just don't think it's illogical how they work. It feels like in high mmr flashes are deadlier than frags. If the effect would be shortened by a bit it wouldn't feel so out of whack.

lots of people use it as a crutch for a first entry kill so they won't want it nerfed. We might as well just get rid of the fuse on frags or make them insta explode on contact.

I think overall the sentiment is more towards a slight nerf in duration from what I read.

And this shows how much of Hunt's hardcore aspect has been lost. You should be trying to avoid making sounds as much as possible while searching for the boss.

I don't set off crows on purpose literally because any star can own me if they have the drop on me in some situations.

But, it costs nothing to throw an axe at a hive, its not dangerous in any way.

@craggy pike Trios Was added to Hunt later on and is sort of an easier mode due to fewer teams in total and thus less PvP.
I recommend playing duo, since it's the core mode of Hunt and everything is designed and balanced with duos in mind - and there's usually more PvP due to more teams bring around.

There are tools that literally allow you to bypass 90% of the AI interaction. Hunt at its core is a PVP game. The PVE elements are very very negligeable, the only reason AI is dangerous because Hunters will catch you with your pants down while you are dealing with AI. Sound traps are way more dangerous than actual AI.

@hexed orbit I removed your post since #game-questions would be a better place.
The new quest line is time exclusive and likely won't be available once that time is up.

I don't play trios, i play solo in duo games.

I'm just saying that when i watch people play trios it seems to break down how i said in my suggestion, there are usually too few teams to tackle two bounties on the map

I found the opposite. lots of big fights in trios. Thats why I play it as a solo. In duo so many people just hide

I think it would benefit the games health adding 1 more team to the mix and closing it on 15 players, sometimes matches just feel really lonely. not a soul to fight or contest objectives

12 players is already 20% more than what the maps were originally designed for. Also, 15 can't really be divided by 2 🤔

The amount of third party complaints the devs would get if they made it 15…

agreed

better make it 16

Most duo matches its 7 teams of 1, i dont think thats an issue

It needs to be a number divisible by two and three to work for duos and trios 😉

12 is perfectly fine tbh, wouldn't want the maps to get too crowded.

They don't feel very crowded to me personally. It would be nice to have more fights outside of the compounds. It's very easy and very common to not see another player until you hit the boss lair.

Would be crowded if we added 50 players, 3 more players on the already very empty lobbies would add up to the fun

In my hours of hunt, i dont think i had more than 10 FULL lobbies

As I mentioned above, the devs have stated that PvP is supposed to be rather rare in Hunt, but all the more intense. It's not a game with dozens of players going at each other, the intention is to have a handful of players going after one objective and encountering each other (or not) while trying to complete said objective.

PvP is the whole point of the game lol

PvP is supposed to be rare in this game? Well it certainly is now. And it certainly isn't 'intense'

PvP is long-winded and slow. That's not a bash towards it. That's how it is. It's not intense when the game is built on the premise of taking your time and not rushing things

Is it tedious? With the new update allowing solos to get up on their own, yeah it can be. But I would never say that it is 'intense'

It's intense not in the sense of being under constant pressure by lots of other players to fight, but rather due to the consequences of losing a fight, i. e. losing your hunter with its traits and all the gear. First objective is extracting the bounty, secondary objective is to survive and live to fight another day.

That's still not intense

That's just stressful

And overall the concept of losing your everything gets kind of nullified by the fact that you can just... buy it all back right after the match

You're not really losing anything but your time

Plus the definition of 'intense' doesn't match what you're describing at all

Call of Duty is more 'intense' than Hunt

Yeah, that's an unfortunate side-effect of the game losing much of its hardcore aspect. Back when you had to have a few successful matches to buy something as powerful as a Mosin, players were a lot more careful about staying alive to save that precious gear.

Nowadays it's so easy to make Hunt Dollars outside of extracting the bounty that many players don't care about dying anymore. It's honestly the most negative development Hunt has gone through over the years in my opinion. 😦

Yeah, it is sad to see, for sure. The problem that Crytek is facing is that they want a bigger playerbase, but they are thowing away a game that people came here for in the first place by making it so much more casual. Self-revives, easy guns, forced MMR, a hand holding tutorial. The reason I got into the game was because it was a rough shooter about doing what it takes to complete your bounty.

It was terrifying when I first played it because of the heavy atmosphere that was set, with the idea of 'all or nothing' being very prevalent. Now it's become as watered down as the bayou itself, being something much easier to play, at the cost of losing what really made it special in the first place.

There are parts I liked of old Hunt like the increased Sway, lower ambient volume etc. but the 800m/s rifles and 1 hit kill to chest by them was terrible

Did you need to ping me for three words? Haha

Ah! There it all is

I'd take that over the constant up down gameplay of the new Necro update

That especially was a heavy hit to the idea of death being permanent. Not even mentioning the fact that there is no limit to how long a dead body can sit there before getting back up

why was my message blocked for " content blocked by this server" ?

Your message contained a word on our filter list.

@queen jungle What about a flare gun special ammo that's just a shotgun shell

is there a posted filter list?

It's not publicly available I think. Mostly words that are NSFW or often used in a derogatory manner to insult others. In your case it was "cancer".

jesus, that's insane

Blame those who cannot behave themselves and remain respectful towards others ¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's weird too because the Lebel's forward stock is hollowed, meaning whoever made it used a modified Winchester or Marlin tube mag

Dying to a brazilian player a full second after I peak shouldn't be a thing. It's not a suggestion anymore; it's a demand. You will address the poor quality of games due to high latency players.

^ lol they don't give a fuck bruh

I would love that mod if not for the curved bolt handle ngl

Although I don't think it's either a marlin or Winchester tube.

@slim basin Please use #feedback for your feedback and leave #game-ideas for new feature suggestions

The 16mm rim of the Lebel cartridges means it'd have to be a much bigger calibre than the biggest Winchester I know of, which would be the m1895 in 7.62x54r

But that's also smaller than 12 gauge. Maybe 16 gauge would work? Not entirely sure.

16 gauge would be too big. That's 16.8mm, not even accounting for the rim. It would leave the cartridges wiggling in the tube.

Did you delete the message?

Because that was pretty stupid. When the original message could of been edited and what needed to be moved could of been cut and paste else where.

Wait wait wait

@pulsar spear you're playing on Linux?

Since when does it work?!

I've seen people mention playing on Linux and on steam deck since some update.

I think it has been enabled since around 2 months

I think you should add high velocity ammo for the lemat it would be sick

By "constant tool meta", i mean the standard melee, medkit, chokes, throwables [sometimes mines if you're daring]

Im just wondering, did Crytek adress their server issues at any point? Or is it assumed that it will stay the way it is right now forever?

crytek mentioned server quality as a priority in their recent dev stream

ah nice

I found your Lebel, thing's a real Frankenstein monster...
It sports a Berthier's barrel with Mauser sights soldered on it and a (allegedly) custom made brass tube fit in the sawn-off forestock with a ring held by a nail. Oh and the handle is not a Berthier's, it appears to be an original Lebel handle but just bent.
Also, the thing is shorter than a factory 1886, meaning the mag is not extended but shortened (holds 7 rounds according to a former owner).
Source : https://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=56926

so it's more likely than not an Ethiopian war relic that had pieces thrown together (my best guess) but every inch of that description makes this sound like a wonderful Lebel Talon skin!

It probably swapped hands many times but it's quite original for sure.
Could make for a great skin if we ignore the shortened barrel/mag and the bent handle. Sights can never be worse than a Berthier's

I like the Berthier's sights GGCry (despite the fact they're not historically accurate)

I'm a big boy Berthier enjoyer

I loved it so much I bought one irl

Pretty sure the sights are ok when it comes to historical accuracy, the Berthier had multiple sights throughout it's service history.
Glad to hear i'm not the only one who thoroughly enjoys this neat little rifle.

the 1892 version (which the in-game one is because of the bayonet lug) had a CHONKY front post sight. It didn't get a thin sight until the 1903 trials before 1907, when they put the Lebel barrel on it to make it a rifle. But, I'm greatful for the thin sight in game because as much as the chunk sight works fine irl and is deadly accurate, it'd make your sight picture even worse in game

the one on the left is the 1890-1902 front sight; whereas, the one on the right is the 1903+ front sight

if any of the devs are reading this, stop.

stop what lol

Ah yes, i remember seeing this sight but i also remember it actually being newer than the one on the right as they used a slight groove (barely visible here) to make precise shots.
I also remember laughing when i first saw it before being told it was actually more practical than the former.

stop reading this. please no fix sights

the chonk sight is wonderful because of less wiggle. Valleying the thin sight is difficult at 100 meters. But the chonk sight is a wall, if there's any light peeking between your rear horns and post, you aren't align. As long as it's solid black in front of you, you will hit

Since roughly February. There's an issue w DXVK and VRAM in this game so if you do try it, use the GE-Proton or Proton Experimental. Also set your GPU usage to 90%. Only big issue is that the gamma slider doesn't work 😔 so its a bit too dark for my screen

The VRAM issue has been fixed in DXVK as of GE-Proton-7-52, to be precise.

@gaunt wren the big problem is skins. Wayyyyy too many skins now blend in too well. There is a reason so many people are abusing reshade

So what's the reason with Crytek and not banning reshade?

There are plenty of other programs that do the same thing as reshade like the Nvidia control panel or even certain monitor settings

Bring Back night contract asap

the virgin "Increase contrast to see hunters better at night" versus the chad "Adjust the slider til the icon on the right is barely visible"

even just putting ingame gamma up is enough imo

Pretty much what i do in every game. Even in Bloodborne I even adjust my TV settings to reach that barely visibility

There are no monitors that come close and nvdia filters are banned. Show me which monitor can get rid of fog or zoom in a specific part of the screen with a hotkey ( so you can literally sniper 200m with an ironsight mosin)

Make it 20. At least camping will be occasionally mixed with fun gunfights

because trio queue and duo queue are already separate i don't see why you couldn't have different settings for each of them, keep duos at 12 players and make trios 15 or more players

i'm over the argument "that trios was added due to popular demand, therefore nothing should be done for it". it's been in the game long enough that it deserves some real support

Im pretty sure that wasn't what he was trying to say. Both are fine as they are and trios doesn't need more players.

the common saying is that the game is designed for duos and that trios was added by popular demand, so you have up to 4 teams of 3 in a world designed for duos in mind

I've seen more than enough examples of 3 trios going to one bounty and 1 trio getting the other uncontested, that was the point of my original suggestion was to either make trio games single-bounty or add more people to trio-queue games so the other bounty might be more likely contested

trio-queue games have at least 4 teams
duo-queue games have at least 6, making fights more likely to appear throughout the map

Having fewer teams and thus an easier experience overall is a feature of trios.
I linked the time stamp to Dennis' statement a while ago, but I'd have to look it up again.

If you want more risk and PvP, I recommend playing duos.

i play solo in duos, i've mentioned before

there's easy and then there's no challenge though, going into a match and never seeing another team, killing one bounty while other teams fight over the other doesn't smell like a fun time to anyone

being a 5 star solo is so unfun when you play against lower mmr

duos is literally the easier game mode.

it's more chaotic, which is why i like it

only other 5 stars I fight are solos too if I solo