feedback-discussion

[subtle wadi]

Anyone noticed a weird sound glitch occasionally? Sounds almost like picking something up / dropping into dirt, happens completely randomly and both me and my teammate hear it

[tiny steeple]

@subtle wadi i think I know what you're talking about, and i think I know what causes it. If you throw something such as a throwing knife or shoot something such as an arrow into an AI and then the body of the AI despawns, the thing will drop to the ground and make a noise.

[subtle wadi]

I’m not sure, it happend last game about 10 times whilst fighting a guy, without throwing anything, but the sound followed each of us around, it does sound kind of like something dropping tho, it’s strange

[atomic cipher]

LOL and being smacked by higher skill players consistently is not? The last one is kinds worse imho.

[vital drum]

I didn't say that and I mentioned that it's a tradeoff.

[steel hamlet]

D A R T H from the #feedback channel...
I can't ping you because Discord is stupid, but isn't there a 'Do not show this again' button in the top right of that prompt?

[atomic cipher]

Yeah, a worse one in my opinion. The devs keep mentioning low playerbase as an excuse for many issues and limitations, but yet they do nothing significant to change it. No wonder the game has been stuck at around 14k for almost 2 years now

[slow jackal]

Hey! Just our daily reminder to the Hunt staff that we do not want cross-play! Hunt is a great game because it is not like other, less valuable, first person shooters like Halo, CoD, etc. Thank you.

[vital drum]

April 2021 - March 2022 average is 12377
Aprli 2022 - March 2023 average is 14773
Growth of 19.4% year on year in the last two.

[upbeat root]

@slow jackal speak for yourself

[atomic cipher]

Okay, 12377 and 14773 is not 19.4% growth, if my math doesn't fail me. But EVEN if it was 20% which it is not, so what - we wait another 3-4 years till they stop using the low population excuses?

[vital drum]

14773/12377=1.19358

Regarding the rest I don't know

[knotty ore]

hahahaha WHAT? This is getting ridiculous. I wait like a rat for a dude to rez his buddy. He is sitting perfectly still. I scope in a headshot. I SEE THE BULLET HIT HIM IN THE FACE... No kill, long ammo maybe 30 meters..... People please fix servers.

I straight up just left, didn't even bother to contest because that dude is clearly a fucking god and the bayou wanted him alive.

"iTs pRoBaBlY a nEcK sHoT"... His head was like the size of my entire scope, crosshair right on forehead.

[vital drum]

Got a clip/screenshot?

[knotty ore]

Wasn't recording unfortunately

Registration has been janky since patch in general. I think lots of posts can attest.

[vital drum]

If you got a hitmarker, it wouldn't be a server issue though. All the server does is check whether the shot was possible, it can't correct which limb was hit. There was an issue some time ago where very rarely headshots would count as body shots. We chased clips and explanations around for a veeery long time, I don't know whether it was resolved or not. It was just too rare to look for and we stopped even checking.

[knotty ore]

I got a hit market where it couldn't have been anything except a headshot. Did not kill him.

He could have been doing the rez spin, and the server was just not registering/animating it on my screen.

[vital drum]

Doesn't matter. Your client decides what was hit, server can either confirm or reject it. If it accepted it, means your client did not send a headshot.

[sudden inlet]

Gator traps are far too hard to locate.

[vital drum]

They are visible in dark sight from pretty far away in case you missed that. Or do you mean they rarely spawn?

[tawny meadow]

Also check mostly near river and water in general.

[knotty ore]

Once again there is a breakdown somewhere that the dev team will continue to refuse to acknowledge, and the reds will continue to stonewall feedback. I'll record it for you next time. Registration has been an absolute inconsistent nightmare since patch. Weapon I see it happening a lot to is the uppercut. It feels like bullets only register about half the time for me.

[vital drum]

I did not comment on whether your report was wrong or not in any way, just specified that if there is an issue, it would be client-side.

[knotty ore]

Gator traps are not something you should be looking for until you've cleared the server. Its an absolutely terribly designed quest. Running around in darksight and being in water in the open is how you get killed if there are players left on the server.

[tawny meadow]

@simple token you can use the advanced tutorial

[vital drum]

Also a shooting range is coming this year. And it will even be online with your squad from what we gathered from the plans video.

[simple token]

Its not the same. Its too small and there very few ai.

[simple token]

Oh well. Ok. I guess I have to live somehow how until then. It was just so convenient. Like being able to go there for 15 minutes before you go live. Now its kinda ruined.

[vital drum]

My warmup is my first match, so can't relate to the pain 😄

https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2087

here's a timestamp about the shooting range though if you're interested

[rain violet]

please implement a working ping limit if you are insistent on having the currently absolute trash 800ms trade window

cross region queuing is ruining the EU servers, im bored of dying to regless south african and chinese players

you are making constant negativechanges without actually consulting anyone who plays your game

perhaps one day instead of sitting here blind to the reality of your dropping playerbase youll listen to your content creators and other long term consumers complaining about the game and do something about it

but silencing any nay say through partnerships is what you're doing instead

game has gone nothing but downhill as the years have gone by

[knotty ore]

It feels like most people want region lock in conjunction with moves to raise the player-base.

[rain violet]

i dont care about region lock

when you have netcode that is so hilariously loose with massive windows

you also dont let people play with 300 ping

its literal incompetance

decisions made by people who think something is a good idea despite having a core dedicated playerbase that is years old telling them otherwise

honestly a tragedy

i suggest that the crytek devs that look at what im saying read up on CCP games with eve online and realise that taking the same path is not a good idea

not forming circlejerk groups of clout chasers under contract that cant give you negative publicity despite being the only people that had a voice within the community

until then, myself and a large subset of people will be watching and waiting for you to get your head out of the sand

and hope that along with the great QOL features like the most recent patch, you take a real look at the back end and gameplay loop as well

[vital drum]

!servers

[marsh garden]

Servers are the number one priority to address in 2023, more detals here - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=756

[rain violet]

the netcode is fundamentally broken

and the meta revolves around one shot trade kills at any decent MMR

the servers having shit performance has nothing to do with the fact that you have a massive trade window, open allowance for people to VPN around your ping limit, the ping limit itself being far too high, and you desync on anything that isnt a flat open surface

like i said, i applaud you for doing the right thing with left side peek etc

but when the core is still broken you're just icing a turd

when games like battlefield run 10x better on 20 or 45 tick servers without issue at a hilariously larger scale on an engine just as old, you have a problem

[upbeat root]

@rain violet sounds like a skill issue tbh

I'm half joking when I say that

[rain violet]

i expect nothing less from blind fanboys that cant partake in a discussion that isnt baiting with trash like that

thanks for the ping

[vital drum]

!bb

[marsh garden]

Refactoring of the blood bond system to remove them from gameplay elements is planned for this summer, more details here - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=1368

[vital drum]

@oblique crest ^

[upbeat root]

@rain violet I mean I'm being honest, call what you will but from my perspective it seems like you experienced a little lag and turned it into the game is broken, or it's the cross region play

[rain violet]

you can make your assumptions all you want

i have over 2000 hours and have played since launch at 5-6 star MMR

its my objective opinion on why me and most of the friends i have made dont play the game anymore

[upbeat root]

I mean that's great and all, but you're over here saying that this game is a turd compared to btf, do you realize how much lag and bugs they have? And frankly if you get one shot to the point where you feel like you have to complain about it then truly it seems like a skill issue, like you have a one track method on how to play and that gets you killed

[rain violet]

so basically youve skim read what ive typed out

and cant grasp what im trying to say

cool

an objective criticism of your latest favorite game from someone who has played it religiously for years

must be a skill issue complaint

[upbeat root]

You are saying that they need to lower max ping, bigger games like btf run better, the meta revolves around one shot trade kills

[rain violet]

where am i wrong?

and dont start being pedantic

by saying 2042 runs like shit

because prior to that, every bf game runs at a larger scale on a lower tickrate and similar shooting mechanics without issue on PC

with more players

[upbeat root]

Truly, yes, I play on PS5 with decent internet and I truly don't experience any ping issues, or graphics issues, nor is the game broken, and the meta isnt one shot trades, in my opinion

Plus you think that because you have that many hours in the game that your opinion is more right? Seems like you're just grasping at justification for your individual performance frankly

[rain violet]

so you play on a region locked console with a completely different gameplay experience due to the fact its not KBM

color me surprised

no wonder this man doesnt have issue with the trash netcode

[upbeat root]

Console, or at least playstation isn't region locked?

And 2042 does run like shit, still months after release

[rain violet]

i also find a hilarious sense of irony

in a console player saying its a skill issue

as well as you still attempting to strawman me on things i havent said

have a good night, im not really interested in talking to you

[upbeat root]

What have I brought up that you haven't touched upon other than my inference that you have an issue with the graphics

You seem like the guy who thinks PC gamers are a tier above, totally ignorant to the fact that having a PC does not in fact make you better than other people

@rain violet have a good night, and as you put it, pull your head out of the sand

[knotty ore]

Hit registration is absolutely not fucking working

You should probably do some QC before launching a patch

People are invulnerable and not taking damage when they should be

[late wind]

Lol. You say that like this is a new issue.

[little jackal]

there's deifinitely some sort of an issue there 😏

[ripe basalt]

@dreamy tapir #customer-support

But, assuming you have linked it before, it is a bug.

[queen jungle]

Please punish teammates who trap and cause friendly fire even if its a accident. If you fire a bullet in real life you are responsible for its destination.

[signal mural]

Any friendly-fire that results in a death gives a -500 Bloodline XP.

If it isn't accidental then it is a breach of conduct and reportable. You'll need audio/visual support for your claims though.

[lone oxide]

since this patc got multiple headshots that didnt register on stationary targets just clicking there head

[unborn dagger]

@rapid bay Yea this is certainly a situation where self necro needs a nerf.

[rapid bay]

Same.

[rapid bay]

Personally, I've never enjoyed having solos in trios, independent of self necro, the main reasons being that solo players tend to camp alot in trios, or they just get bulldozed over, they mess up the math on how many teams are in, and if everyone else has the option to not have trios in their games, I see no reason trios shouldn't have the same courtesy if it's more fun not to play against solos.

[unborn dagger]

I certainly see your point there and kind of agree with it because all solos fuckin do in trios is just bush camp because they are obviously outnumbered.

But on the other hand that kinda takes away from the unpredictability and would probably be tough to even work around.

@raven crag check console announcements

[raven crag]

Yeah ok, I know already, but other players doesn’t, in every game they become dead. Maybe just fix this issue?

Or maybe hire qa team and test patches before release? How did they manage to break something that worked in right way? In every single patch.

[unborn dagger]

If you read it, then you'd understand that they literally said, "It's our top priority"

[tribal wyvern]

@whole python
Can you elaborate on that bug? Because it won't show pvp progress, but your video didn't show anything buggy afaik.

[whole python]

wdym elaborate?

[tribal wyvern]

Well explain whats buggy

You say the centennial quest doesn't work, but you don't show it not working

[whole python]

i equipped a centi with skin, the quest didnt work. you can see the bar being "blacked out" with the eye symbol

[tribal wyvern]

Ye cuz it's a pvp quest, it won't show you the progress

Doesn't mean it's not working

[whole python]

it doesnt make progress in the title menue either then?

bc i sure did kill people with it

[tribal wyvern]

That would help alot more than showing it ingame xd

[whole python]

u wanna see my kills or what?

sorry, didnt clip that lmao

[tribal wyvern]

No, what I mean is, to show the actual bug, a video showing a pvp quest that won't show progress in the game, then the weapon, doesn't say anything.

[whole python]

bruv

im doing dmg with it

making kills

[tribal wyvern]

Not in the video xd

[whole python]

yeah, gimme that nitro to upload u a full round ig

ill show u later on, got off for today

[chilly nova]

Died every round I've played tonight and haven't dropped MMR yet. The matchmaking is fucked. I play once a week at most. I don't wanna be dripped on by sweats with special ammo shotties constantly.

[wintry comet]

i know they said "gameplay elements" like respecing hp bars and traits would be changed to hunt dollars, but what about cleaning guns and rebuying hp bars? cleaning seems like such a petty thing to lock behind BB, and hp bars being rebought with trait points pretty much puts a hard cap on the lifespan of a hunter

[vital drum]

Blood bonds will be focused only on cosmetics, I don't know whether that will include cleaning guns or not, makes sense if it would. Regarding putting a hard cap on the lifespan of a hunter, that's kinda the point of it. It is already very relaxed with trait point envelopes and chary, I don't think we need an introduction of more ways to buy bars and that has not been brought up as far as I'm aware.

[hazy quartz]

there is not really a hardcap, barely even a softcap.
players post their roster with hundreds of unspent trait points on max level hunters, even if you don't find any trait points in a match you get tons of points through dark tribute as arricado already mentioned

[vital drum]

Yeah that whole thing needs to be addressed imo. It's not a big problem, but it almost removes the whole "play the game to gain traits" loop if you keep your roster full.

I don't think the tribute should give trait points to the whole roster

I keep 10-15 hunters at the same time for that reason. That always lets me have a few hunters with 4-6 trait points at the ready for traits necessary to maximize weapons

The rest I get by playing the game, because I like progression

[steel hamlet]

Man... these servers are atrocious and need to be fixed. I don't know how much more US East or West I need to be before I can actually, properly play. They're constantly switching between perfectly fine, high ping, and completely unavailable. I just lost a match because I was frozen for 13+ seconds as two armoured zombies freely bashed on me. When I finally reconnected I was left with heavy bleeding and one last health chunk, while both armoureds were still alive and very angry.

I can consistently connect to all of the other servers! Sure they have high ass ping, but I mean... hell, at least I can connect to them.

[knotty ore]

What's worse is that when the servers are running ok, you still get half your bullets not registering on people who connect from out of region. Chinese dudes on NA servers, all I can really do against them is yell, "Taiwan #1" because I won't be able to hurt them with actual game guns.

[oak hamlet]

@warm lake i literally went to the suggestions and ideas to give the same exact one you gave. Love to see it

[warm lake]

👍

[vernal haven]

A couple suggestions have 🤨 instead of 🤔 ; lol

[vital drum]

@queen jungle's favourite emote

[white pewter]

great update love the challenges and guns and lack of fire everywhere

but this sucks shit

And special ammo reshuffles when you buy them

also sucks

[green portal]

@unborn dagger why do you enjoy empty lobbies? do u farm points

[unborn dagger]

No I just enjoy unpredictability when it comes to hunt my dude

[green portal]

I have to say if I got 2 hours to play hunt on a work week it would be great the lobbies weren't empty

basically 90% of the wildcard night lobbies are playerless

maybe it should be just like "allow teams of three" as an option "allow empty lobbies" ?

because I can see why a lot of people would never want an empty lobby

@empty wharf they would no longer see their arms and weapons, as much as I love the suggestion

if the camera was moved up, the player arms and animations would need to be moved up (locally), requiring to re-make separate arms-only animations for the model

[empty wharf]

darn, developers have to code? how unfortunate.

[green portal]

this is done for like 90% of fps games, but i dont think cryengine could handle it

it's already pretty much -40 fps when they add "collect and smash pumpkins" event

[empty wharf]

yea, so moral of the story, crytek cant code

game was legitimately better in early access lmfao

[vital drum]

First person model you see on your screen and third person model you see of other players are not the same. The higher you put the camera, the more head glitching you allow.

[empty wharf]

no way, its almost like thats what i said in my suggestion.

and almost like theres a middle ground that hasn''t been achieved or even attempted to be achieved lol

[green portal]

i think it's a bit hypocritical to speak about head glitching when you have so many one-way spots between planks literally everywhere that are impossible to see from distance

how is head glitching any worse in addition to that? you can already pixel snipe someone from a bush because the distance will lower the LOD and embed you in it

[queen jungle]

To be fair it would be possible to have the camera at eye level, but most game devs go down the easier route of playing the camera lower.

Just like in most shooters, bullets originate from the camera, not from the gun, etc.

[vital drum]

Of course it's possible, but that's not an obvious solution and doing it properly a-la Tarkov comes with its own can of worms that is definitely not clearly better.

It's also not that difficult to do it within Hunt's system, because it draws the first person model completely separately. But again, raising the camera will be better in some cases and worse in others.

[queen jungle]

Don't know about Tarkov, but it works pretty much flawless in SC. One of the few things that actually work pretty much flawless in SC

[vital drum]

Yeah right, I've totally believed you right now 😄

[queen jungle]

Im being absolutely honest about that

[vital drum]

So what's the secret sauce then? Because you either make your weapon a more physical object and it will block a lot of possible peeks like in Tarkov. Or you shoot bullets out of your eyes, peeking only with 1/3rd of your head.

[green portal]

@queen jungle just curious why are you against one of the most requested change to separate 1 and 2 boss contracts?

there's basically only 2 groups of people, who absolutely detest either one or doesn't care

the latter is a minority

i personally would prefer 2-boss contracts for solo, because then after self res I could still heal back up, but 1-boss contracts for trios because then it would have more action around the boss lair when all teams are sent towards the same target

[unborn smelt]

where you you get the info from that the latter are a minority or that this is one of the most requested changes ?

Until now the votes on the suggestion point to the opposite actually...

considering 1 vote on each is the bot adding reactions, there's currently 2 votes for the idea and 4 against it

[green portal]

@unborn smelt well this discord community always seems to be the contrary to actual player base you meet and talk to on the servers, so it's not a surprise

and for that reason, I'm curious why the opinions differ so much here than on the actual game

[fluid locust]

it's almost like nobody plays night lol

[green portal]

but I think, as self explanatory as it is, these players here don't really play that much or have a weird play style which allows them to hang out in discord and voice talking about their days at work without really concentrating on the game at all, or even caring what they are playing

@fluid locust exactly but it's not because they wouldn't want, after you consider night lobbies empty you stop trying, unless the "empty lobby problem" is fixed

i know a lot of people who were excited for the night lobbies and then disappoint when they actually don't exist

[fluid locust]

the problem is night sucks and majority of playerbase doesn't really care for it. thus why they seperated it into it's own queue. and even if that wasn't the case, the side contract was always unpopular that's why they took it out for like 2 years or more

[queen jungle]

That's just anecdotal evidence and really shouldn't be the basis of "most players support my idea"

[green portal]

okay so I see where this is going, the night gets removed after they see "no one likes it"

[fluid locust]

I mean they have the data

I don't think they make decisions like that for no reason

it's based off of feedback

they're literally testing to see if that would satisfy most the playerbase

[green portal]

@queen jungle it's not my idea, I keep hearing it over and over again from players

[fluid locust]

like they're testing buffing solos with solo necro, magpie, serpent etc

because people kept complaining solo was too hard

[queen jungle]

This pretty much, Crytek are the only ones with the telemetry data to tell what players like and don't like.

[green portal]

not really, they can only tell the opinions of players who speak it out

[fluid locust]

I'm pretty sure they can see whether people leave immediatly if it's a night game or not

[green portal]

if night lobbies are empty, it may as well be poor design, just as if some weapon is not used at all, it can as well be broken

yea and snipers still immediately leave foggy / bad weather maps, why is that not fixed?

[fluid locust]

because there is no fix? the downside of having a scope is that you will have a harder time seeing in fog and night. if you don't like having a downside then you're free to leave the game as well

[green portal]

good example is the spyglass, it was used in the early days a few times by people, who never touched it again and are very unaware that it has had multiple improvements, as well as after the key update it broke, it will likely never be fixed because there is zero feedback because no one uses it, and the ones making best of it doesn't really have a chance to fix it

yea the downside of playing a game is that you have to live with the fact that you will not love everything about it

i come here, perhaps once per 6 months to leave a comment or two and it's always the same people replying back, and the community keeps growing weirder 😄 but at least I have my own "community" of people to play with

spyglass should definitely be fixed, the jerky motion and zooming problem, as well as rebind the gunslinger zoom back to mouse LMB RMB, but why bother, i'm literally only person using it so might as well remove it

[queen jungle]

Can't really fix players being poorly prepared. They already introduced weapon spawns on the maps for that exact reason, so you are able to adapt during a game.

Many people just refuse to or don't have the skill to adapt.

[empty wharf]

Crytek makes sure to listen to the community very closely and then do the opposite.

[queen jungle]

Definitely not. Any modern game dev will rely on their telemetry first and foremost since modern games track anything a player does during and outside of a match and data analysts work wonders based on that.

There are pretty much no reliable sources of player feedback since statistically, only about 1-2% of a game's active player base choose to interact on social media platforms such as Discord.

[wintry comet]

honestly cleaning guns costing BB is dumb too, make it hunt dollars or at least let us clean a few guns for free after each match

[wintry comet]

or they could put fog maps in the same rotation as night maps for a "no snipers" playlist?

[queen jungle]

Or players could simply adapt. Being able to spontaneously change your way of playing the game and adapt to adverse circumstances is part of being a skilled Hunt player.

[wintry comet]

i guess, although i will concede the horses make it a lot more possible, the hunting stand tower weapon spawns were not very common and the big lookout towers are not very many in number

also i would often get scoped weapons from the hunting stand towers, which was mildly annoying and defeated the purpose of adapting to fog/night

at least the horses tend towards ironsight weapons i think?

[green portal]

That's actually why the game hasn't entirely been destroyed yet, as funny as it is 😂

Imagine listening to these guys here

[wintry comet]

or reddit

[green portal]

And by removing Night is that?

[wintry comet]

reddit is a giant circlejerk of "get all of the bounties, fight to the death of your team, or you are a coward who should uninstall. also randoms are awful, dont ever play with them unless you like mosin/sparks sniper cains with no choke bombs watch you burn to death and then extract without you"

[green portal]

getting all the bounties, fighting to death and not being a coward all sound like actually proper ways to play the game, but I guess these are the usual responses to everything there?

[wintry comet]

yes, anything resembling an "alternate win condition" is met with confused screeching

like buddy if i just need to kill one more immolator, im going to get my immolator kill and extract so i can cycle the quest

and ill do it solo with no regrets

and if my team is burned out because they went unga bunga bloodlust mode into shotguns/snipers while at a disadvantage without me and the bounty is across the map and close to extract, its not worth me losing a hunter, im outta there

[green portal]

yeah likely everything to save your teammates was already done before, and hopefully not just wasted sitting in a corner waiting

[wintry comet]

yeah like dont get me wrong ill try to save them, but if im getting pinned down by sniper fire or i see their bodies in the doorway and i heard shotguns, thats a no from me man

[green portal]

yeah i get that, the weak plays you see on hunt daily basis by teammates (random) and enemies camping bodies, instaburn, coming to check lair if its white and running exit if its red etc.. it's just.. where does these ppl come from?

[wintry comet]

sucks for you but you didnt just sit back and take potshots like a good little siege master

[green portal]

dying in this game literally changes nothing, if you are focused on the right things which is having fun and playing the game best you can

so there's nothing to fear about trying

[wintry comet]

yeah and i get that, and ill often just die trying to save them anyways, but there are times where i look at my map to see where the extract is and damn if it isnt tempting

[queen jungle]

Fighting to the death it actually not intended, but more the result of social pressure applied by other players.

The secondary goal of Hunt, right after extracting with the bounty, is survival. To get out, replenish equipment, get some traits and try again. The whole "Live to die another day" message was basically a "congrats, you didn't waste your hunter's life"

[wintry comet]

at the very least ill make a point of not dying in the same stupid way as them

[unborn smelt]

maybe it doesn't actually differ as much as you think... It all comes down to perspective and bias

on both sides mind you

you are more likely to acknowlege and keep in mind the people that agree with you

while on the discord there are more likely more of the hardcore hunt fans that are likely to like more of the current mechanics

[green portal]

yeah that's a terrible idea to build a game around, and I can immediately think of snipers with concertina bomb who end themselves when they are ran down. So there is an easy way out with no death (to KDR) and you can consider suicide in game winning

[queen jungle]

The issue is that Hunt Dollars are so easy to get these days. At the beginning of early access, you'd actually try to survive because that mosin you had was worth 2-3 matches of rewards and losing it was an actual setback.

[fluid locust]

yea and now we have quickplay, hunt dollar bags, weekly challenges, Mr. chary, and money rewards being higher in general than before

[queen jungle]

Yes

[green portal]

It was a little bit hard to read this sentence due to the "hardcore hunt fan" part, but I guess it applies if it means everyone of these fans here always being overly positive about whatever weird update gets pushed out

and overly negative to everything that someone who's "not a hardcore fan here" wants to change

[fluid locust]

I mean I don't think it's a weird update to make a relatively unpopular time of day in it's own queue so most people who don't like it don't have to play it and the ones that do like it can

[green portal]

I think the firefights being better longer and more slow paced back in the days was not due to people camping to save their precious arms, but rather that the fire rate and ammunition being less effective. Now basically everything is a two-shot (at least of the guns being used by everyone, because why would you use ineffective weapons?) and if you are downed once, one-shot

is there actually someone who prefers this new two-one-shot model? Why does literally everybody always say the long firefights were better?

Why is not the damage output brought down to a level where at least 3 or 4 shots are required, unless it's a headshot?

[unborn smelt]

well what i meant is the clientele on the discordserver are those that more likely already agree with the existing mechanics

[queen jungle]

They were absolutely better imo.
But I assume the change was made to make Hunt more appealing to the mainstream shooter audience who prefer fast-paced gameplay over slow and tactical

[green portal]

with 12 players the game play can only ever be so fast...

[fluid locust]

because it was like that before. and it makes long ammo even more dominant than it already is

why use anything else if you can just 2 shot everyone up to absurd ranges and then once they're down one tap them?

[green portal]

@fluid locust are you against or with the idea of 3-4 shot model? because isn't that what it is now

[fluid locust]

tbh most other weapons that two shot are up to a pretty reasonable range other than pistols with FMJ

[queen jungle]

Personally I'd argue that all types of ammo need a nerf across the board, because over the last few patches we've just experienced a power creep of ammo in an attempt to match it to long ammo.

[fluid locust]

and it depends on what you mean. if you mean all weapons then yes. if just non-long ammo weapons than hell no

[green portal]

yeah I've noticed this as a trend too, everything gets faster and more powerful but health is always the same. Maybe if you double hunter health, we get an interesting game again

[fluid locust]

yea but even then they're not as powerful

[green portal]

10 health bars instead of 5 (actually just keeping the existing 5 but doubling the health points per bar)

[queen jungle]

But I think the only hope left for those of us wanting to experience a more "vanilla" Hunt once again is that Crytek will actually deliver Nightmare Mode which was on the roadmap in the past.

[fluid locust]

wasn't it called hardcore mode or something?

[queen jungle]

It was effectively a hardcore mode, but always referred to as "Nightmare Mode"

[fluid locust]

I wonder what they even meant by that

like no hud, different revive system, weapons are more brutal or something?

[queen jungle]

They never went into any detail

I'd love for it to be a more traditional Hunt experience without all the additions that made the game less hardcore.

[wintry comet]

would you also double health kit effectiveness then? or keep it as 50 hp restored, 100 with doctor?

would certainly be interesting to see ghoul as a must-have trait due to being able to break past bars limiting your regen

[green portal]

yeah let's see what the community thinks about 300 hp hunters. lol

[wintry comet]

cue cries of "this is going to kill hunt!" on reddit

spoiler: it didnt kill hunt, and the player count actually went up

[green portal]

I think it should be tested just like that without any modifications to the existing balance system, because i think overall the power between long ammo /shotguns is divided in a very optimal way

[queen jungle]

Hunt died the day it moved from closed alpha into Early Access and they let casuals like me into the game

[wintry comet]

my main concern is that compact ammo would be even worse, at least right now it can compete with long ammo via headshots, but only barely hitting the 150 hp threshold to one tap to the head

[green portal]

the healing system should not be more powerful as it is now (requiring 2 kits for a full heal) because then it would make hunters too strong

[wintry comet]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-look-the-other-way-look-away-awkward-weird-gif-17246188

okay here's my possibly-hot take: ammo boxes were a mistake, remove them

[green portal]

I'd assume to see less firefights where immediately after first hit there would be a cover+heal up move, but the fight would continue for at least 2 successful hits before interrupt. Now it's just one shot, cover heal, one shot, cover heal.

[wintry comet]

on the other hand, it does force action sooner rather than later, because of the poor health kit economy

once you run out of heals, what else is there but to go for it?

or just run, i suppose there's that too

but either way the fight ends

[green portal]

running away with 300hp would be pretty strong 🤣

[wintry comet]

no i meant under the current system

the get hit > take cover > heal > repeat 2x

after the third hit they are likely low on or out of heals

at that point its just a gamble on whether they have regen or vit shots

and even those can be mitigated with listening for audio cues and wallbanging

[green portal]

@crystal plume @quaint void can we have some words from you against this change? Why it should be as it is?

[crystal plume]

Don't have time to go into a in depth discussion about it, I just think that it's too extreme of a change to the pace of the game and objectively bad for it

[green portal]

On the other hand, it could also revive some of the lost aspects of hunt such as aggressive play style and lessen camping, suicides for kd etc.

[wintry comet]

i think suicides need to count against kda

[green portal]

definitely

[wintry comet]

that alone would fix some of the issue

if youre going to die, try to salvage your kda by taking at least one down with you

[green portal]

and it should count against kda for those who has been doing it for years, so we see their real 0.4 kd

[green portal]

assuming they just had one lol

[little carbon]

It would most likely do the opposite and slow the game down More health means that headshots are going to be less impactful by being non-lethal often enough.
With the lessened equaliser of one Shot kills fights would be decided by attrition mostly, which means that it you are in the resource advantage pushing is a bad idea because it won't gain you any value.
Landing a tag is also going to be less relevant as it doesn't put pressure on that person anymore. Currently if you tag someone you get an opening to be aggressive and make a move, because they are either busy healing or an easy kill if they peek again.
Its also much more forgiving on decision making in fights since mistakes matter less.

I also find it interesting that you think it's on the team that has been put at a disadvantage (being tagged/downed etc..) to be aggressive. Shouldn't the team that currently has the advantage be incentiviced to leverage that advantage in a push?

[green portal]

I don't know where you got the impression that an disadvantageous team needs to be aggressive? Everyone needs to be more aggressive in this game, downed or not. And the team that currently has an advantage over something will leverage that by keeping it that way (doing absolutely nothing as long as they have the advantage, as the disadvantageous team has to start working to cut even) so they can just wait for ez picks

[green portal]

But this entire feedback system in general is pretty flawed for collecting serious feedback on features. Very little fraction of the people spend enough time thinking about the different aspects of a suggestion, and even smaller fraction is actually capable of evaluating the impact of said suggestions how they would reflect in reality.

The feedback suggestions (instead of general voting by anyone) should go to a specified team of professionals who are actually capable of doing proper evaluation, however, considering the number of suggestions received here on a daily basis, this is difficult to arrange.

So as it is, it's just a funny way to get a feel-back from the few devoted ones who immediately click like or dislike based on their current state of mind without going deeper into the subject at all to ever discover if the actual impact of the said suggestion 😄

[hazy quartz]

the professionals who will actually evaluate the suggestion are working at Crytek
they don't have to implement the feature if it is heavily upvoted, but they also don't have to reject it when it is downvoted.
they also can improve on it with their own ideas. it is merely a suggestion, not direct democracy to implement things to the game.

why do you feel that everyone who disagrees with you does so because they acted on an spontaneous impulse?
like people can feel differently, think differently and come to different conclusions because of different preferences

different opinions can exists simultaneously without one being more wrong or right than the other.

after all games are designe to appeal to a certain taste and taste is subjective. It is impossible to always satisfy everyone

[crystal plume]

Also "Very little fraction of the people spend enough time thinking about the different aspects of a suggestion" also often applies to the people making the suggestions themselves

And brushing off everyone who disagree as "people who don't think about it enough" is not really a proper way to handle it either

[green portal]

@crystal plume well that was funny coming from u admitting you didnt even have time to think or talk about it

but its ok

[crystal plume]

Dude, I have more than enough time both here and in the game to have thought about most of the things that are suggested 😄 And not having time to talk about it =/= not having time to think about it

[green portal]

not at all, i don't take it personally that people don't have time to think or discuss the ideas but just go quickly downvote or upvote them, it's just as meaningless whatever direction its voted

i feel like most upvotes on the one suggesting "move camera up from players cock" got upvotes mostly because it was funny text and i upvoted it also bcs it was funny lol

[hazy quartz]

how do you know that they have not thought about it though?
that's impossible to know.

[green portal]

no one of the people objecting it was able to explain their view

[crystal plume]

That's my view

[hazy quartz]

not able to explain =/= not thought about it

[green portal]

nice trolling yacc

[hazy quartz]

i am not trolling

just wondering why do you dismiss other peoples opinions based on assumptions

[karmic ivy]

lol

[green portal]

something being an "extreme change" is basically something you can say about anything you want, because it's your opinion, it's not an explanation HOW that is extreme, neither that is based on anything more than quick "how i feel about it"

[crystal plume]

That's literally how people should vote

How they feel about it

So far you have dismissed everyone downvoting as people who don't think enough, dismissed people trying to argue with you as trolls and dismissed people's views as "not enough" because they're not 200 word essays about the topic

Are everyone else being ignorant at this point, or is it time to look inwards 😄

[green portal]

yea if you discuss a topic how you feel about it without thinking you get exactly what is not supposed to happen

if you upvote something because its funny rather than actually understanding what it is about, you know its not going to the right direction

or, if you just simply cannot think straight

[green portal]

it just is the way how this discord community is, i totally accept it in all it's weakness, and the upcoming updates 😄

[dim heron]

"Bring back long fire fights"
Pointless idea, no meat to the suggestion. "Double their health" is not some great epiphany that anyone is waiting for. If you want a higher TTK then play CoD

"No empty lobbies"
Again, no substance. "Just make them wait longer" Waow

"Contract re-work"
Again, no substance. "Just make it solo or double bounty"... like it's not an idea they already stated they would be using wild contracts for.

I get it, not every idea can be banger... but don't attack people just because they don't agree with what your ideas are... that's just childish. So stop

[karmic ivy]

We accept you with all your flaws as well. Even your propensity to disregard other peoples opinions based on assumptions.

[queen jungle]

@dim heron to be fair your reply is a perfect example of someone who doesn't want to understand what the suggestions are about

[dim heron]

I completely understand the suggestions. But there's really no meat to any of the suggestions.

Quicker TTK? No one wants that

[queen jungle]

I have to say, every empty lobby is waste of time

[dim heron]

Wait in queue longer? I wouldn't say no one, but a small minority of the community would prefer to wait

It's really not

you still get BB & Exp

& HD

for running the match

[queen jungle]

not everyone is farming points... some are there only for PvP

[dim heron]

not to mention, running to extract isn't really that difficult

[queen jungle]

yes but how do you know it's empty?

[dim heron]

Unfortunately this is a PvEvP game

Exactly, how do you know? Run the game

get your points

get out

ez

"I want PvP" isn't a good enough reason to keep queue times to 20m+ during downtimes in any region

[queen jungle]

yep exactly, and at some point you realize there was no other players, time wasted, no PvP

[dim heron]

Not time wasted

[queen jungle]

what exactly is the problem about that, if you opt in to wait that time?

[dim heron]

Point of the game is to get the bounty and get out

I understand wanting to PvP

I love PvP

but the point of the game is still to get the bounty and escape alive

Adding the prompt will split the community further

making people wait what, up to an hour + to find a full match just because they have a checkbox selected?

Not to mention finding random partners and having this selected?

that sounds horrible

you'll find no matches

lol

[queen jungle]

yes, but our views differ here and some people do not think your way, or mine

[dim heron]

That's fine, but I'm talking strictly fact atm

It will be impossible to find a game, with how small the community of users will be who use that feature

[queen jungle]

it also a fact that there is a number of people who wouldn't want to play an empty match, and would rather not play at all

[dim heron]

For sure, which is what they would be doing if they opt in with this opt in idea

[queen jungle]

not everyone has 16 hours a day at hand to go through lobbies

[dim heron]

Exactly

so why make them wait an hour + to find a game

because they want a full lobby

[queen jungle]

so for the quality of time, why wouldnt you be able to select the lobbies that satisfy your requirements, such as "having players", "playing against trios" etc?

[dim heron]

Because no one else would use the feature... the community would be so small that you would wait longer to find other people with the same selection

[hazy quartz]

making it optional doesn't split the community though. they will share the same queues. It would have the severe drawback though that it would be hard for them to find matches because the ones who don't opt in for full matches will leave the queue because the game opens matches with only a few other teams and the players who opted in to wait will still be in the queue.

[dim heron]

that's why

[queen jungle]

how waiting 15 to 45 minutes playing an empty game is better than waiting 15 to 45 minutes for a full lobby? i would definitely take the waiting, and utilize the time waiting doing something else

[hazy quartz]

you only wait a maximum of roughly 5 minutes to get an empt game. when the bar fills up the game starts, other players or not

[queen jungle]

no, you have to play and finish the game in Jesse's suggestion

[dim heron]

I never said that

I said you could leave if you wanted to

you can extract at any time

I just said the point of the game is to get the bounty and extract

[queen jungle]

and at what point exactly do you know it's empty?

[hazy quartz]

i would like to have the option too to get full matches, but i am afraid it wouldn't work if there are not enough players opting in.

[queen jungle]

man I can bet you there wouldn't be a lot of people wanting to play PvE in this game, unless they are very new

[dim heron]

Like, I get not wanting to be in empty games. I play the game as well, empty games can be boring. But splitting the community to have an option to guarantee full matches people are then going to complain they wait too long, queues take forever, dead game

it's a vicious circle and ideas that meet all criteria are more than welcome. But simply putting down the idea "Make us wait longer" and then acting like your idea was a godsent and people downvoting it are idiots... I mean come on

[karmic ivy]

I agree mark, it looks like you are underestimating the impact of splitting the player base up.

[queen jungle]

I don't understand the splitting community argument either. If you volunteer to wait until there's enough players, it doesn't require anyone else to "opt in" for it?? it would literally pull you in as soon as there is a team starting game

it's not making you waiting longer with your game, it's making me to wait until there's someone to play against me and my team

there's literally no down side to this that i can see

[dim heron]

and the randoms that queue in to play with you?

they have to wait now

[queen jungle]

why do you bring in the randoms? nobody wants to play with randoms

[hazy quartz]

the option would probably not available if playing with randoms

[dim heron]

doesn't matter, still part of the game and people do it

[queen jungle]

I'm sorry Jesse but that's just desperate to be honest, focusing on such a detail

[dim heron]

lol, welcome to gave development. Every action has a re-action... you have to think of every aspect of the games features when adding new features

Like when they added Sparks pistol and people started freaking out about Avto having way more ammo now

changing or adding something to the game should always take into consideration every aspect

[karmic ivy]

anytime you have two seperate ques of players, you have split the pool of players up. And as a result, each has less than otherwise. It is really very simple.

[dim heron]

Again, I'm all for full games. But simply saying "wait longer" isn't the fix, the Devs would have done it by now if it were

and in all honesty, when this blows up in my face within the year pls call me out

it would be my luck they add it like next week XD

[queen jungle]

the way I see it.. you are basically shooting down the idea if there is any configurations where it would have issues or problems working... there's no "perfect ideas", and you have to value the suggestions based on if they serve the purpose mostly. And people who play randoms, probably dont want empty games either. Honestly, it get's even worse playing with dysfunctioning team where no one talks, runs in separate directions and there's no enemies.

[karmic ivy]

lol, yeah I am encouraged that Hunt is growing. the enabling of contracts shows this I think.

[dim heron]

for sure

but even those contracts are pretty dead

[hazy quartz]

they would share the same pool, but regular players would leave the pool every time their bar fills up, making it harder for someone who opted in to wait find a full match. that system would only work if the amount of players in the pool is high enough they would get a full match anyways with the current system

[dim heron]

almost guaranteed an empty game

[queen jungle]

@karmic ivy how is the pool splitted up, if I'm not starting a game alone? Me starting the game would remove me from the player pool where I'm searching for a match, not that I want to stay in it opting in for a match with players?

[dim heron]

yea

pretty much

[karmic ivy]

what I mean by "splitting up" the pool, is that the player go different places.

[queen jungle]

the player doesn't go anywhere

[dim heron]

I gotta go though

Ilu guys

Thanks for the chat

❤️

[queen jungle]

it sits on the pool waiting for a match

[karmic ivy]

they "go" into a match, that the other players will not.

then they are gone from the pool

[queen jungle]

no, they don't go anywhere if they are waiting for a match that's populated

nothing gets split up man

[karmic ivy]

later 🙂

[karmic ivy]

I maintain in effect, it does.

[vital drum]

You're describing a situation, where this idea has no effect on matchmaking. Let's say there are 9 people in the matchmaking, waiting for a match. Two trios that didn't select "wait for full lobby" and a trio that did. Once 5 minute timer runs out, 6 of those people go into an emptier match due to this option, while the remaining trio is split from them and waits for another lobby with 0 players.

[karmic ivy]

^ well put, better than I can produce. And I think the last trio waiting, is effectivly removed from the all the 5 minute games. In effect you have produced two pools. and split the player base.

[hazy quartz]

yeah put to better words than mine

[vital drum]

Matchmaking options are cool and trust me, devs would love to give you all the options in the world to get the perfect match for you. Why wouldn't they? The happier you are, the more you play. But it's a balance between giving some players exactly what they want and the result of giving that option having a negative effect on others in terms of queue times or emptier matches.

[queen jungle]

the biggest negative effect for everyone is that they need to play an empty game or leave it, cancel the matchmaking until there is enough players. And this, will be exactly the same what would happen with the checkbox for waiting, only difference is, you have to do it manually

what gets "split up" will get split up, manual or automatic

[radiant river]

If I get queued into an empty game, I log off right after

Obviously that's just me but I'm sure I'm not alone

And that's not great for the game

[vital drum]

Not quite. Let's say you're waiting for a full 5 minute timer and cancel the matchmaking, assuming it's empty. In reality there were 6 players in that lobby. Now what happens is you depend on the timer of the next team that entered the queue and let's say they have 2 minutes left. You requeue and get into the same lobby, but have 2 more minutes to find the players. Once those 2 minutes run out, a match will start. Whether you found a full lobby or not. You doing this trick did not have a direct negative impact on the matchmaking of others, because you are still in the same queue.

[hazy quartz]

maybe find a middle ground opt in to not have empty matches, so if there is at least one other player it starts, but not completely empty

[vital drum]

It can improve things in edge cases, yeah. The only drawback is communicating that by selecting such an option, the only thing you guarantee is that you get at least one more player, not a full match.

[hazy quartz]

yeah might need an thorough explanation when hovering over the option

[vital drum]

Yeah it would be a balance between making some more upset (because there will be people misinterpreting it, almost no matter what you call it or how you explain it) and some people a bit happier, because their match will only start with at least one other person in the lobby.

[hazy quartz]

well, the people being upset won't lose anything from that and there will be always a few who will be always upset no matter what

[vital drum]

It would have a minor effect for some people though, yeah.

[vital drum]

Also btw in this method you might actually have a negative effect both on your own match and matches of others too. If you get unlucky and unready while another team was just about to reach 5 minutes, you will miss their lobby and start another completely empty one. And that could be an even emptier lobby for you and the lobby you left will be missing your team.

So it's not an obvious good solution either.

[atomic cipher]

@outer wedge 2 boss maps is million times better in my experience. With solo boss everyone just camps around with no action.

[outer wedge]

only takes 1 shot and chaos breaks loose

[atomic cipher]

On the conrtary, they dig in even more. At least on EU servers for 5+ stars. The way the game favours camping this is kinda expected but nevertheless it's boring af. Once in a while there are nice exceptions and nice fights with multiple teams. But those are rare

[outer wedge]

thing is, you are more likely to find people on your way to the boss than in duo boss, the amount of times in duo bounty that its only pve its too much in my experience

well at 6* it starts slow but then it ends fast

[little carbon]

If it only were one reaction per action...
Its rarely the features themselves that cause issues. Its the problems that occurred because a feature influenced something that changed something that made something easier which broke something.
Thats also why playtesting is so important. Cause you can be the best of all game designers and yet you will never be able to accurately predict the full outcome of a change.

@clever prawn The krag is insanely strong. Its a long ammo gun with a firerate faster than most (if not all) medium ammo rifles.
Its strength however will mostly be visible in higher ELO's since it is kinda dependent on accuracy

[pure musk]

What region do you play on? I've had zero USE empty lobbies in 2023 and I play quite a lot

[clever prawn]

Terrible argument, the mosin, lebel, berthier are not insanely strong? Imo far stronger than the krag. Fire rate is not a reason to give less ammo pool, dependant on accuracy? Every gun is dependant on accuracy in hunt, I'd say a sparks or martini is made for accuracy, a rifle with fast rof, 6 bullets in the chamber and loading 3 bullets at a time gives u in a minute way more moments to hit your target than an actual accuracy rifle

[little carbon]

Its the other way around. If you have really good accuracy, the Krag becomes very powerful since it gives you the potential to take out multiple threats quickly.
And there is also the fact that if you miss the headshot with the Krag and hit the body, you get the faster follow up.

[radiant river]

USE. it usually happens if i try to play on a weekday earlier in the day

[clever prawn]

at that point take an officer carbine, more value per shot for cqc, long range damage drop off is too big

and however u play the krag

doesnt justify that its being treated with less ammo cuz thats absolutely bullshit lol

[pure musk]

Interesting, must just have lucky RNG then, I use to get tons in prior years but none anymore

[radiant river]

whats your MMR

[little jackal]

every gun that fires relatively faster than its niche competitors gets ammo reserve penalty

or most guns anyway, but that's the baseline idea

[pure musk]

5-6

[radiant river]

same idk then

[pure musk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I used to get more when I played EU that's for sure

[radiant river]

i have not played in the last month maybe its changed, but for the past year before that it was a problem

[pure musk]

Yeah I definitely used to have it a lot like 8-10months~ ago

[warm zephyr]

this

not being able to one tap is enough of a tradeoff

on that note the ammo nerf on the slate is bs as well

[clever prawn]

slate has been one of the biggest dissapointments

at release it was good

but people cant differ good from OP

because they always must cry when they die

now its such a bad gun lmao

would never buy it

[dense schooner]

You play it as any other long ammo rifle, with the added significant advantage of higher RoF.

If you have played with the gun extensively, you should know the RoF compensates for both 124 damage and low ammo capacity.

[clever prawn]

lmao thats far from true. in a worn out fight youll never gonna have enough ammo to use the krag throughout the whole fight,

especially cuz u have to 2 tap even when theyve been downed once

[dense schooner]

I can tell you barely use the gun, or you just miss all of your shots.

The Krag is meant to be used with a long ammo secondary: Sparks Pistol or Uppercut, which respectively gives you 20 and 15 total reserve rounds. That’s more than enough

[clever prawn]

no

i played the gun plenty

also

im not talking about ammo pooling

im talking about the gun itself

the hard stats of the gun

[dense schooner]

So have I, and I have never felt like I have never had enough ammo. I’ve been using it since the introduction

[clever prawn]

idc how you feel

its about the basic theory of the bolt action long ammo rifles

[dense schooner]

Not sure what ELO you play in, but the gun is balanced as-is

[clever prawn]

they all have 15 rounds, and thus the krag should be treated like that as well

5 star averagely

im not saying the krag is unbalanced

[dense schooner]

The Krag is an outlier with the best in class RoF that even outperforms Vetterli

[clever prawn]

im saying the krag should be treated the same as the other long ammo rifles

[dense schooner]

There is no rule set in stone saying all bolt action long ammo rifles have 15 total rounds accounting for reserves — that’s a bad argument that disregards other characteristics about the weapon

No, you don’t understand, it can’t be treated the same with such insanely high RoF

[clever prawn]

i understand fine

[little jackal]

why isn't the officer carbine treated the same as the winnie?

[clever prawn]

it should be

but it should follwo the ammo pool of the nagant [

to 2

21

winnie with levering is just is almost as fast anyway

[dense schooner]

One is accurate, other is rng

They’re not comparable

[clever prawn]

then why do we compare buckshot to slugs all the time huh?

[dense schooner]

slugs are better. aiming is better than relying on rng.

carbine is more accurate than levering

[clever prawn]

ammo capacity shouldnt be a balancing factor anyway cuz it doesnt matter for balancing if u put it with a spark p

or whatever else

its just fucking annoying

just like the amount of sound traps

the little things that dont change the game but just make it annoying

[clever prawn]

and there u are comparing it

[warm zephyr]

can we talk about usage rates? From my experience people are choosing the mosin over the krag by a large margin.

[dense schooner]

you technically can if you want to make a point. in reality you know they’re not even close to being equivalent, which is what you tried to suggest earlier

[clever prawn]

alright misses know it all

imo, krag should still get 15 round

shorty should stil get the same as full sized

[dense schooner]

that’s not possible, it’s a tube magazine (if you reduce length of the weapon, you’re also reducing the mag capacity)

[warm zephyr]

i think balancing weapons around having to sacrifice your secondary slot should only be limited to the most extreme circumstances

[dense schooner]

if it was a box magazine like the mosin, it would be possible

[warm zephyr]

and the krag just isn't that

centy is awkward

it doesn't fit the identity of a winfield

centy should've been a bolt action rifle tbh

[vital drum]

The winfield identity 😄

[clever prawn]

fuck off man were fighting zombies

realism is off the charts in a game like this

we have a bomblance, a functioning lemat

and u wanna say that loading 4 more bullets into a short rifle is too much?

lmao

[dense schooner]

sounds like you don’t like the concept of the game at all

which by then id suggest to play something that suits your needs

[clever prawn]

no no no

ur talking about a tube magazine beign not able to cut off

and u literally have a bomblance

a lemat

an uppercut from 1893

and u think that that is realistic?

[dense schooner]

yeah, most of the weapons are based off realistic functioning models with realistic mechanisms

[clever prawn]

oh yeah u know the lemat huh?

tell me how that will function in real life like it functions in hunt

or the bomblacne

with the technology of 1893

[dense schooner]

take a break, you’re not listening and only venting

[clever prawn]

no no no

u explain me

[dense schooner]

but you’re not reading

why would i waste my time

[clever prawn]

sounds like u dont have an answer to it lmao

[dense schooner]

read lol

know what the word “most” means?

it means the majority of a group, not all

it’s a waste of time if we have to touch semantics

[clever prawn]

oka so why would u be arsed with the shorty beign a 6 rounder then?

[steel comet]

Terminus hand-cannon and Winfield vandal, which are both a shorter version of their base weapons work the same way shorty does.

Why would they make an exception for only one of the lever actions?

[knotty ore]

Fix sparks silence sights. There is zero reason for them to be that shitty.

[hazy quartz]

i rather would like if they nerf the sights of the other silenced guns 🙊

[brisk timber]

In a game where the most deciding factor is who can spot whom first and land a shot i think a silenced gun that is quiet, show no muzzleflash AND has acceptable MV is just really strong.
Im so glad the sparks is held back by its ironsight.

[unborn sandal]

@iron trench the game was designed around duos

Trios was introduced because the community wanted it and solo was a necessity

[brisk timber]

I was hitting HS left and right with sniper guns the last few week
now i cant hit anything
I aim at the head and its always some arm shot

[unborn sandal]

I drastically vary from playing like a 2 star to playing like a 5 star and I have no idea why

[brisk timber]

yea same

I have such inconsistend aiming

[unborn sandal]

Sometimes I can’t hit shit, other times everyone I look at just dies

The best thing you can do is focus on compound knowledge and movement

It’s won me many a fight

And that stays constistent

My aim feels like I’m spinning a wheel to decide how well I’ll play every time I open the game

[brisk timber]

Im bad at those close quarter fights
i feel like everyone has radar senses just by hearing steps

meanwhile i can only tell if someone is blatantly running around
And most of the time its just enough for general directions
Even more so when there are more than a handful people present

[unborn sandal]

I have decent headphones and good hearing so I usually know where people are. I don’t like crouching around, though. If there’s a stalemate I’ll just break it by running in and usually dying

[brisk timber]

I have such a hard time with the distance of people
Sometimes i think they are 100 meter away and suddently they rush me
Othertimes i think they are around the corner and i stop reviving a team mate just to sit there doing nothing for 5 sec while they come closer

[unborn sandal]

if you have a shotgun just bait by starting revive and then stopping

If you don’t have a shotgun use chokes

[iron trench]

I know, but why not make them in Trios...

[brisk timber]

im sorry for so much offtopic
i legit thought it was #hunt-general D:

[unborn dagger]

@late wind This all the way so we have better sound info on bush campers with silenced sparks

[hazy quartz]

crossbow functionally is like one. silent oneshot kill.

[brisk timber]

The shotbolt has 2 very big upsides
It kills from any range you shoot. Because the actual range is always 0m cause the shotgun shell goes off when the arrow hits.
The second upside is that you can pen stuff with it unlike normal bolts.

You can also mislead enemies by using the shotbolt as decoys.

[knotty ore]

Why? The bullet velocity is fucking awful, it makes it a really shitty weapon outside of medium range where people can easily spot you...

There is zero complaint about silenced weapons being OP at pretty much any MMR...

Having an annoying ironsight is more of a QL fix than anything else.

[summer iris]

nerf flashbangs cause 5 seconds of not being able to play the game is the most awful unfun garbage

[unborn sandal]

The new silenced centennial is pretty strong

Clean sights

Fmj for pen and 2 or 3 tap distance

Shoots fast

[knotty ore]

Yeah, now if they can fix the sights on at least the winfield silence...

[queen jungle]

@glacial field There is already a meathead spawn over there, it's just not 100% guaranteed

[dark gust]

i don't know if it was pointed out alreayd, but yesterday i played solo and had magpie trait
i only got double dark sight boost, but didn't get double of the other boosts as well

[queen jungle]

Please allow the chokebolts fired from the handcrossbow to qualify towards "kill immolators with choke bombs" quest goals.

[wispy lion]

#game-ideas message this is good, makes sense and is not hard to implement.

[lethal mango]

#game-ideas message please god no we don’t need more heavy knife skins it has so many but it’s so bad

It’s not a bad idea for a skin it’s just I hate the heavy knife and why does it have so many skins when my boy the knuckle knife has such slim pickings

[crude karma]

“its not a bad idea for a skin” -proceeds to downvote the skin idea-

[lethal mango]

Yes!

I genuinely despise the heavy knife

It’s a matter of principle

[unborn dagger]

How is it bad? It's literally better compared to the regular knife

[lethal mango]

No it is abso-fucking-lutely not

Stamina cost compared to damage

It’s good against grunts

Sucks on hellhounds and armored

It also sucks in pvp because of its swing arc

In melee fight you always want to hit the head

You can do that so easy with a stab

Not with the heavy knife

Ask anyone and they will tell you, heavy knife is objectively the worst melee tool

[lyric ibex]

Guys I have a question, If i were to be shot by my own teammates until low health and get finished off by npc enemy.
Does the reporting system actually works and how? ( Genuine question as I know games like League/Overwatch/etc reporting doesn't really matters )

[spiral crane]

and the throwing axe is better than both

[worthy knoll]

Hot Take, shouldnt the unlock be the other way around? Starting With the heavy knife and getting the better (and More Expensive) later

[vast geyser]

Knuckle knife + tomahawks and you're settled for every situation.

[worthy knoll]

Since they Made the knife for 30 i have Taken the knuckle knife because cheap allrounder

[hazy quartz]

it's not because they are OP, i just don't like silenced weapons. I i wish they never added them tbh
Crossbow and bow is ok though.

[brisk timber]

It enables rat play.
In a game where having the advantage of the opening and players not knowing where you are on a big map (even more so now with night wildcard) silenced guns are just annoying. They are certainly not OP but obnoxious.

[unborn dagger]

Uhh my guy the reason why heavy knife is better is because of the swing arc, great for crowds, and has better stamina management. That's literally why I'm able to take out hellhounds, armoreds and players easily. Not to mention it gives the players bleed.

If you like it for that slightly extra range then sure but I'll take a knife that has better stamina consumption.

[unborn dagger]

Problem with throwing axe is stamina consumption is huge

Which is fine, since it's a throwing axe, cant have it both ways

[spiral crane]

im almost always running conduit as is so doesnt really matter

[unborn sandal]

Magpie gives double dark sight and you get 2 seconds from clues. No other solo bonuses. No bonuses to antidote/regen/stamina length

[queen jungle]

@cunning linden @lyric ibex Please make sure to add more details to you suggestions giving reasons why others should support your ideas

[ripe basalt]

@distant carbon You can revive teammates without the bounty token, So I am unsure what you mean by your post.

The only time you can not rez is if your teammate has became redskulled by either dying too many times or having his hp bars burnt away.

Having the bounty token allows you to rez your teammate despite being redskulled.

[distant carbon]

Since the last update I and many other players have not been able to revive our teammates when they first go down, an icon appears that's says can't revive without bounty token. Also necromancer no longer works at a distance either.

[ripe basalt]

Are you playing on console?

Or with a controller?

[crystal plume]

It would have to be the teammates with the controller

And based on the role they are

[distant carbon]

Xbox, there's a clip of it in the bugs reported section. It's a spectator bug, whenever you spectate it permanently kills your character.

[ripe basalt]

Yeah, known issue. They are working on it. Please read the above message from Diiba. Just don't use the spectate shortcut, make sure to cursor over to the button instead.

[brisk timber]

Can we please acknowledge how fucked up flashbangs are in Hunt?

Who in their right mind thinks they are balanced?

There are PLENTY of option to tweak them

Increase the radius, up the max duration - BUT lessen this completely white effect

Even playing by hearing doesnt work reliable because of how fuckin cluttered the maps are

roots here, corpses there, some box over there

[atomic cipher]

They will still be inconsistent af. Just like so many other things in campdown though lol

[brisk timber]

Yea its just so frustrating from both point of views

they either work like a free kill or they work not at all

its such a stupid design decision

Its like a nitro in tool form

[molten meteor]

I don't know if I am the only one that notice that, but when I select a questline mission, for example kill meathead at Lockbay, Sweetbell or Forked, suddenly there are no meatheads. At Lockbay there are ALWAYS 1 or 2, but with the mission they disappear. How I'm suppose to complete the mission if the game doesn't spawn them. PS It is 4 games that I can't find one. Same thing happens with dogs or Immolators

[unborn dagger]

That's a little suspicious

And other people did report on that too so it might be intentional

[lone granite]

I'm fine with throwing axe melee stamina usage, but the stamina from throwing is janky, imo. Throwing 2 axes shouldn't be equivalent to me punching 20+ grunts in the head with dusters. And even at zero stamina, you can still throw the axes, makes no sense. Throw stamina should be removed, imo, as it feels illogical.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah I can agree to that tbh

[crude karma]

the throwing axe stamina drains also kinda dumb considering all the throwable consumables as well as every other throwable nonlethal tool dont consume any.

[brisk timber]

Since when does throwing the tomahawk drain stamina?

[lone granite]

believe it also applies to knives

[crude karma]

its always drained stamina when you throw the throwing axes

its not a ton like if you were to do a melee with them, but it still consumes some stamina to throw

[gritty lichen]

dear devs, please let us enter the firing range in advanced mode or return legacy training to practice shooting. there is now no way to practice outside of 1 trial that has an annoying red wall and no customization whatsoever. thanks

[vital drum]

!range

[marsh garden]

A shooting range is in the works, possible optional PvP with your squad has been teased. More details here - https://youtu.be/PkrXpJRvyiw?t=2087

[gritty lichen]

yeah thats cool, but right now there is actually just 1 red gate keeping us from getting into shooting range that already exists. i haven't made a map on cryengine but i believe it wouldn't take long to remove that gate

[south fable]

why cant i find teammates in 4 star mmr get rid of mmr i just want to play the game

[queen jungle]

@hollow kestrel its because something wrong with server so the game assumed you was never in match, there for reversed you to the original state before you joined the match

[warm herald]

fix game crashing randomly all the time

[hollow kestrel]

the thing is that it still gave me and my hunter xp for it though

[queen jungle]

Dang, the server must be trippin then

[faint scaffold]

Personally, I think DBreath needs to be faster. Its annoying to use and people literally walk away from your shots. Speed it up to under normal bullet velocity please? ~ A concerned Fire boi user

[steel locust]

Good morning ! I never rarely see feedback from the last updates because I like it but the last one I validate aps too much because it's either we see the weapon skins or the price that is displayed on the base skin . I preferred where the skins were one behind the others (see Picture n°2). I can't get used to it I preferred the old version of it. Sincerely a hunter hunter

and I would even add the damage reports were better explained before I find I'm new I see all it's logos I understand nothing I run away from the game. After that is only my personal opinion I know that I will certainly be insulted in response but here I am giving my personal opinion

[frosty tundra]

same issue just happened, also on top of that the match queue is a lot longer and we've been getting empty lobbies

[iron trench]

@crude karma Why not a Cleaver Throwing Axe skin?

[coarse bay]

Why are there consistently so many server issues with this game?

this is emberassing, crytek

[idle crest]

Bcs they are incompetent

[jagged crane]

Getting server is full issue here also on both US West and US East

[native kiln]

same here in Eu

[lyric ibex]

Same in Asia

[native kiln]

ugh

I wanted to play

[dreamy junco]

So, do we know why we get the server full message and when it will be fixed?

[lyric ibex]

as for now, we can only sit and wait patiently

[crude karma]

ya know, i hadnt thought about that. that could work too.

also first thing to pop in my head while thinking about that is that one tf2 throwable cleaver

[chilly flame]

GAME NO WORK WHY?

[hard narwhal]

go to the suggestion ideas

[chilly flame]

IT NO WORK, THANKS 4 TRYING

[jovial skiff]

@snow needle @unkempt roost Meatheads are easy to deal with. Hit them with bombs and stay away from poison around them. They are blind but tanky and see through leeches.

[unkempt roost]

they arent blind, they can see through there leeches

[snow needle]

They're really hard to kill, it takes like 20 swings with an axe

[jovial skiff]

Okay, and? They don't bother with you as long as you are not poisoned or stepping on their leeches and in exchange they give random perks if you kill them.

[unkempt roost]

theres only a 50% chance of it dropping and we die more then 50% of the time trying to kill them

[snow needle]

i just feel like because the enemy is so strong they should grant a better reward, or at least nerf the damage so my team can stop dying to them

[fickle karma]

I believe he meant poison bombs. Everything except for spider boss is extremely weak to it. So if you throw a poison bomb down and run him through it a few times he should drop pretty quickly. Especially if you got an antidote shot. Other than that, explosives lol

[jovial skiff]

Get good. They don't attack if you don't attack them or are poisoned around them. Use bombs against them or stand of roofs. They are not players and they don't have range.

[snow needle]

they're on clues and you need clues to get the boss tokens

[fickle karma]

That does happen sometimes lol. Try and lure it away by shooting it or something and then when he settles run back to the clue, run him super far if you need to. That always sucks when it happens though lol

[unkempt roost]

how can i kill a meat head from the roof if i only have the axe @jovial skiff

[frigid scarab]

[jovial skiff]

Find a gun, kill a team, loot dynamite at caravans. You are complaining about how low AI and slow/blind monsters are killing you, that is a you issue.

[snow needle]

My team keeps wiping against them

[unkempt roost]

its a game issue, i dont want to use a gun to kill ai

[snow needle]

they're harder than the butcher because at least the butcher stays in a building

[unkempt roost]

nothings worse then a meet head sneaking up on you in a compound before you get in to a fight

[jovial skiff]

If you hit them in the back and run, you can kill them. Don't stand there and try to tank them, this is not an RPG.

[snow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-cowboy-gif-24576664

[jovial skiff]

Your team is bad.

[snow needle]

That's pretty mean, I got to 3 stars once

[unkempt roost]

my team has the same issue sometimes 2, meet heads rome 2 much and kill in 2 hits. need this fixed asap

[snow needle]

and they spawn infinite leeches and you cant just kill them all

[unkempt roost]

thats why ur not supposed to shoot them. i dont think zombie knows that leeches spawn forever

[jovial skiff]

Meathead is blind and doesn't roam unless you are poisoned. Attack from behind once and run. Avoid stepping on the leeches and being poisoned around them. I solo them all the time.

[snow needle]

i got 2 meat head kills yesterday before i died to the third

[snow needle]

If he's blind why do you need to attack from behind?

[unkempt roost]

i was in lawson acres and 2 meet heads snuck up behind me and tag teamed me

[jovial skiff]

Because he swings at you when hit. If you attack from behind it takes a second for him to turn before he swings.

[unkempt roost]

u cant hit him from behind if he hits you from behind

[snow needle]

but he shouldn't see you if he's blind. is he bugged?

[jovial skiff]

If you take a team of 2-3, you can keep swapping in an out with your team to hit him in the back.

[snow needle]

it shouldn't take 3 people to fight 1 ai

[jovial skiff]

You realize that blind means they cannot see you and not that they cannot feel you, right?

[unkempt roost]

it takes 2-3 people good to kite the meathead. he should give better rewards. im glad you agree @jovial skiff

[snow needle]

and he has like 12 leeches, it's unfair

[jovial skiff]

It doesn't, you are just bad.

[jovial skiff]

Learn to look down.

[snow needle]

i do loook down, otherwise i wouldn't see the leeches

[unkempt roost]

the leeches look up

the meethead doesnt look

[snow needle]

Meat head looks thicc

[jovial skiff]

The meathead only moves towards you if you 1) Are poisoned. 2) Step on a leech. 3) Hit him with something.

[snow needle]

or 4) if he catches you off guard

[unkempt roost]

the meethead 1) deals 2 much dmg. 2) has 2 much hp. 3) poisons enmies. 4) spawns infinite leeches. 5) is faster then hunters

[jovial skiff]

He is an AI, not a player. If you are getting caught off guard, that is on you. They make a ton of noise and are massive.

[jovial skiff]

He is as fast as the hunters. He does do a lot of damage, but you can avoid that by playing smart. If you jump over the leeches or move around them, they shouldn't bother you.

[unkempt roost]

meetheads should drop bounty tokens that have 2 or 3 seconds of darksight but grant only 50 or 75 hunt dollars

[snow needle]

Meat Heads are bad for the game because 1) they take all my ammo to kill 2) if i use an axe they kill me 3) they have too many leeches and i don't think you can kill them all 4) they sneak up on you and 5) they aren't bound to buildings like the butcher is

[unkempt roost]

100% they also kill my team all the time

[jovial skiff]

Why would killing an AI give you free dark sight if it is not the boss? Since there is 2-3 every compound, everyone would always have dark sight.

[snow needle]

Make Meat Heads spawn 1 per game

[jovial skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/git-gitgoodscrub-scrub-noob-getgood-gif-21752358

[unkempt roost]

meet head is like a harder butcher

[snow needle]

and sneakier

[frigid scarab]

[unkempt roost]

and more poison

[jovial skiff]

They may lower them on 1-2 stars since those players have the skill of someone learning an FPS for the first time.

[snow needle]

the butcher yells a lot but meat heads don't have mouths

[unkempt roost]

at least butcher doesnt spawn 500 leeches

[snow needle]

The butcher is annoying too, he has infinite firebombs

[jovial skiff]

Not at all. I kill meatheads with one shot from a bomb lance or dynamite. Butcher has a faster movement speed and can see the players in his lair.

[snow needle]

i thought you could only bring 4 but he keeps throwing them

and scrabeak throws conertina bombs like 20 times

[jovial skiff]

Butcher is a boss. They have unlimited use of all their attacks. You can put out Butcher's fire with chokebombs.

[snow needle]

Bomblance takes 9 swings to kill a Meat Head

[unkempt roost]

ai shouldnt require you to take a boss killing weapon in to clear compounds like the bomb lance

[jovial skiff]

Why are you meleeing one with a bomblance? Stick it with the explosive shot.

[snow needle]

It's a lance

[unkempt roost]

it can shoot 2 but i normally do fire breath but that takes like 10 shots

sometimes i have to find resupply to get more ammo to kill the meet head

[snow needle]

i run out of the bombs if i try to use them because i need to kill the leeches so they dont bite me

[jovial skiff]

You can kill meatheads with explosives, barrels, bows and crossbows, etc. Just get good.

[unkempt roost]

ive never tried bringing explosive barrels. how do you unlock those?

[jovial skiff]

That is your first mistake, ignore the leeches. Just bomblance the meathead.

[jovial skiff]

Red barrels, just shoot them.

[snow needle]

Meat Heads kill you if their leeches bite you

[unkempt roost]

meet heads dont walk to red barrels because theyre blind

[snow needle]

and they throw them all over the place

red barrels kill me all the time

[jovial skiff]

Stand on the far side of one and shoot it, it will run to you. When it is near the barrel, shoot it.

[unkempt roost]

ill die if i stand on the side of a red barrel when i shoot it stop trolling

[jovial skiff]

Don't stand next to your explosives. Lure it to the barrel. God, I am not sure if you two are trolls or just brand new to playing video games as a whole.

They move towards whatever hit them. The react to touch. Touch them with a BULLET.

[unkempt roost]

if you shoot them they run in a random direction not at you

[snow needle]

"Ignore them" "Lure them" "Use Barrels" "Use dynamite" you have like 18 different reasons that go against each other

[unkempt roost]

just fix the ai

[snow needle]

I feel like meat heads would be better suited in hard games like dark souls because they're way too hard for Hunt

[jovial skiff]

Ignore them: If they are too tough, move on.
Lure them: They are attracted by touch. If you hit them from a bullet, they run to the direction they were shot from.
Use Barrels. If you lure them to a barrel, you can then shoot the barrel. (PRO TIP: If you are near an explosive barrel and it explodes, so do you. WOW!)
Use Dynamite: Dynamite instantly kills meatheads, as do most other explosives (See: "Use Barrels").
Get Good: These are basic things that have been around since Doom released in 1993. Learn basic gameplay of FPS before you jump into a game where not only the environment is trying to kill you, but so is other players.

[snow needle]

Witches tell them where i am and it's unfair that ai can communicate

[unkempt roost]

witches arent blind

[snow needle]

they point and scream to tell meat heads where players are

[unkempt roost]

i feel like im playing left 4 dead when the tank and the witch are coming at me

[jovial skiff]

Jesus Christ, you have a beard. How do you not know how to play FPS?

[snow needle]

Fighting player survival?

[unkempt roost]

normally in FPS you dont need to bring a lance to kill meetheads

[snow needle]

Agreed

[jovial skiff]

Looking forward to seeing you in game. I appreciate the free kills.

[unkempt roost]

your probably 2 little stars to run in to us anyways but good luck in your games

[snow needle]

You won't see me cuz the Meat Heads keep KILLING ME

[jovial skiff]

I may not be the best, but I usually sit in the 3-4 star range. So when I am on the 3 star, I will likely find you around. I will just look for the meathead to loot your bodies.

[cold ledge]

wait there's a 'zombie' and there's a 'fifthzombie' ? wtf...

[snow needle]

i never find bodies around meat heads

[unkempt roost]

no wonder you shoot meet heads

[frigid scarab]

i love this so much

best entertainment for an hour 😄

[unkempt roost]

@frigid scarab @cold ledge what do u think? meetheads should drop bounty or no?

[jovial skiff]

How is 6 stars having issues with basic mobs?

[snow needle]

Yes

[mystic pumice]

100%

[frigid scarab]

i agree @unkempt roost

[cold ledge]

yes I don't see why not

[unkempt roost]

ur 3 stars cuz u use all ur ammo fighting meet heads giving away ur position or using a bomb lance in a shooting game

[snow needle]

seems like @jovial skiff is wrong

5 to 1 just like the meat heads leeches when they bite me

[unkempt roost]

[jovial skiff]

I have no issue finding ammo, my issue is with being shaky when I am mid-range. I know my flaws, but clearly you don't know yours. Meatheads are not hard to kill.

[snow needle]

[unkempt roost]

[snow needle]

[mystic pumice]

[frigid scarab]

so you do just shoot the meetheads tjem

[snow needle]

[jovial skiff]

If I am in a rush, yes. If not, I either melee them or just ignore them.

[frigid scarab]

why must you be in a rush then

you have literally 45min a match

[mystic pumice]

Why melee them? you'll just get poisoned and the meethead will chase you

[jovial skiff]

If I am chasing down a group, and I see it in a direct path to said group that is trying to extract, it is easier to catch up by hitting it with a bomblance or dynamite and keep moving then moving to another exit of the compound normally.

[jovial skiff]

Do you get poisoned everyone you hit someone who has poisoned bullets? No. You need to get hit by the leeches for it to poison you. Also, melee is quiet and they can give perks for killing them.

Just because you hit something, doesn't mean it is going to hit you back.

[unkempt roost]

[frigid scarab]

i have solution

fix meetheads

[unkempt roost]

👍

[cold ledge]

wait, you can kill meatheads?

[snow needle]

if you're willing to lose a couple teammates

[frigid scarab]

no theyll kill you first

[unkempt roost]

yes but they dont give bounty

[cold ledge]

I've always just run away from them, I kept shooting at them but they never died, can you actually kill them or are you guys trolling me?

[snow needle]

@cold ledge just bring 2 or 3 ammo boxs because they're super strong

[frigid scarab]

what if he doesnt have those unlocked?

[cold ledge]

I'm not going to just waste the consumable slots just to bring ammo boxes for that

[frigid scarab]

whats his next option?!@

[cold ledge]

I use the consumable slots for antidote shots so that they don't chase me

that's the REAL strat

[snow needle]

Stay away from them and away from witches because they yell to meat heads and tell them your position

[unkempt roost]

butcher = 2000 hp. meethead = 1500 hp. meethead spawns lots of leeches that deal massive damage, poison and obstruct vision. meetheads can rome and dont need to stay in 1 building. meetheads can work well with other AI in compound like witches and armored and they dont even give bounty. not worth killing and very difficult to kill

[cold ledge]

they 'yell' ?

[snow needle]

Meat heads are blind so the witches uses echo location to make him find you

[unkempt roost]

kind of like a dolphin

[cold ledge]

you know, now that you mention meatheads roaming, I've had that happen, one was chasing me through an entire compound, and when I went to the next one I saw it there walking like nothing happened

[wary hinge]

Literally any explosive consumable can 1 shot them

And explosive consumables are so easy to come by in orange boxes that it's barely an inconvenience

[cold ledge]

I've tried throwing frag bombs at them, they don't die

[wary hinge]

Frag bombs I think are an exception because they technically count as bleed damage iirc

But dynamites n such work very well

Just make sure it's at their feet or stuck on em

But yeah having something so easy to kill, in random non trackable places, drop bounties which are the entire point people actually meet up to fight in central boss compounds
Would be bad

[queen jungle]

@grand bough Please make sure to add more details to your suggestion's description telling other players why you consider it a good idea and why they should support you

@snow path 20 players would be twice as many as the game was designed for. 12 is already 20% on top of the original 10.

Early on, it was stated by the devs that, well, we're supposed to hunt. Not just the bounty, but also other players. Having fewer players around is a common feature of extraction shooters as PvP is not the main purpose, but rather Hunt offers a sandbox for players to do as they like, whether it's PvP, PvE, searching other players or avoiding them if possible - if they like to hide from you, personally I'd say you need to get better at hunting them

[cold ledge]

@queen jungle I've been trying to post a suggestion with an image I've photoshopped to suggest something for like 2 hours in #game-ideas but it's not letting me post images, Idk if it's because of slowmode or what, but it has been like that for the past hours :c

[queen jungle]

Try again 🙂

[cold ledge]

done, thank you 👍

[snow path]

It's fine if that's a common feature of extraction type games, but there have been too many games where I don't see anyone. Someone might pop a shot at me while I have the bounty but then run away but other times I just don't see anyone and I get the bounty (sometimes both) and then leave. If they aren't going to add more players to make it more fun, intense, and interesting, then I would hope they would at least do something to encourage pvp more or to encourage people actually going for the bounty rather than kd. Such as if you don't extract with the bounty, you die. Forcing people to actually play the objective. I don't want to be the hunter when I have the bounty and can extract easy

[queen jungle]

That's where the sandbox aspect of Hunt comes in. While going for the bounty is encouraged and the objective of the game, you can also just go for PvP kills, or just stick to the grey zones and farm PvE.
All of this is valid, however only going for the bounty will get you the money you need for good gear - although money being available too easily is a whole different topic.

[slender stirrup]

This is literally shocking to me. Are the games full? Are you actively playing the boss? I have never had this issue lol

[snow path]

I just wish there weren't people who just went for pve then :/ kinda boring imo, but to each their own

[snow path]

Yup, full games, I kill the boss and extract with no issues or no one trying to stop me (well us with my friends). I'd say at least 30% of our games recently

[slender stirrup]

Thats insane lol

[snow path]

I play hunt showdown because I love the hunt and love the pvp, just seems like neither happens way too much

Agreed lol

[slender stirrup]

What MMR are we talking??

[snow path]

5 star

People care about kd way too much in that range

[snow path]

Also I'm not gonna grab the bounty and then go hunt players... Unless there are two bountys on the map. Nor am I gonna sit in a bush and watch tik tok waiting for a team to man up and go for the bounty. Having more players would actually be great for all playstyles. I don't see how any of your points show why less players is better.

[slender stirrup]

Agreed, I dont mind it until they hide in boss lairs with 12 traps and shotguns waiting for 30 mins.

[queen jungle]

If you have the bounty, your only objective is to get the hell out of the match

PvP is supposed to be rather rare in Hunt. It' s not a battle royal with dozens or hundreds of people going at each other with the goal of only one remaining alive.
Instead, we're all hunters trying to make some money by hunting these monsters. The "fighting each other" part is just a side effect of us being greedy and not wanting others to get the reward for themselves.

[slender stirrup]

then I just alt tab and watch netflix until they kill me so I can drop to 4 star and not play that garbage anymore

they soundwhore for 30 mins, I watch a full episode of a show

but I dont agree with adding more players, just seems counter intuitive to the build up of a fight. And when fights do get rolling, i couldnt imagine another 8 players ont he map..

[snow path]

I love that, and think it's great, but it seems like lots of people don't go for the bounty anymore. Maybe there is a way to entice the bounty a bit more then

[slender stirrup]

Not enough heals in a kit, not enough ammo in your pouches, not enough grenades in a kit

[snow path]

Ya, maybe I just gotta start dropping again. Just takes forever to drop and then you get back up in like 5 games haha. The change from an hour to 45 minutes was a great one. Maybe cut it down even 15 more minutes idk

[slender stirrup]

I'd fully support a lower time

Or maybe lower the time when half the lobby dies

[snow path]

Maybe have all players who don't extract with the bounty "be damned" and they lose their hunter to insentivise the hunt and the chase and actually going for bounties

[slender stirrup]

"Half the lobby is dead, 15 minutes to kill the boss and extract"

[snow path]

That's a good compromise

[little carbon]

What region you on?

[slender stirrup]

Or even when all bosses have been banished

US west

[snow path]

Same US west

[little carbon]

Weird. Try playing EU if you can stomach the higher ping. People tend to fight you

[snow path]

It used to be super fun, but lately feels very dry and empty

No one cares for the bounty

[snow path]

That sounds way fun. I'll have to try it

[snow path]

YES THIS! Like even 10 minutes left once boss is banished

15 to be nice

[snow path]

Also even though hunt isn't supposed to have tons of pvp, that is why most people play and provides the most adrenaline. Just thinking of ways to entice more people to join!

[opal sable]

Hi good morning, I've come across a few bugs concerning console hunt games I'd like to make you aware of if you're not already

Firstly, there's the odd occasion where when you are downed with bleed ammo and get ressed, you're ressed with the bleed effect (happened to me last night, thank goodness for resilience)

Secondly, I've loaded into a few games where there has been no game sound whatsoever, even after restarting and loading the game up.

Thirdly, there's an issue with some compound's where you are seen clearly through wooden floors/walls. I say this with confidence as this happened to me last night at Maw battery. I'm attaching pictures for reference. My teammate was upstairs in the boss lair and could see me clearly, I was downstairs and couldn't see him apart from the blue outline, my 3rd teammate was asked to go and see if it was the same for him and it was so it wasn't a rendering issue. A few of my friends on pc have also witnessed this on their games too

First picture is my point of view, second is his

[queen jungle]

Hey there, please make sure to post this to the appropriate channel: #bug-reports-xbox 🙂

[opal sable]

I do apologise I'm new to the discord. I just tried and it got deleted. I'm not sure how to post it

[queen jungle]

No worries, here's a short guide on how to post bug reports
#bug-reports-xbox message

For you, the last part is probably the relevant one

[opal sable]

Thank you

@queen jungle I appreciate your help with that, thank you so much

[obsidian narwhal]

But that's boring smh
Seriously though sometimes i've got an urge for blood and just hunt people instead of bounties. It'll bring me to those eventually anyways

[jovial skiff]

@snow path My team rushes the bosses and we have no issue with everyone rushing to find us. Usually after the first banish and the countdown starts, everyone moves towards it. Almost every map we get the bounty, we need to kill every other team before we can leave.

Yes, there is times where there is two bounties and one group grabs and runs, but there is times where they run up to the first team as well.

The only time my team grabs bounty and runs is when we all have pistols or shotties and the enemy is in the next compound over with snipers. It would be stupid to attempt to run to them with glowing beacons that give away our position.

Do you play in low MMR? That might be why people are not rushing to get in a shoot out. Most mid to high MMR ends when the map is cleared of enemy hunters. You may want to try getting to those MMR ranges. It also may be the times you play. Early morning, few people are on and the ones that are, normally are just grinding XP for later in the week.

[limpid sluice]

Some feedback about Crytek's trans day of visibility post. I'm pretty sure the Hunt audience is not in favor of this.
This is evident since comments have been turned off for said Twitter post.

[prime sierra]

Uh... Not in favor of what exactly?

[limpid sluice]

Associating Hunt: Showdown with "talking about how to incorporate a broad variety of gender identities in your game!"

And trans awareness day of visibility

[prime sierra]

Google "two-spirit". It originates from native Americans and would be in line with hunts lore

[alpine lynx]

Comments being off for a Twitter post equaling Hunt audience being displeased may be a false correlation. I'd hesitate to jump to that conclusion without knowing more. I don't think it hurts the game, and it's not out of character with what Crytek has been doing with adding different hunters with different backgrounds over the past year.

[storm swift]

Is hunt ever gonna expand their asia servers by any chance? Been stuck in queue for 15 mins

I came home to play games, not play a waiting game

[little jackal]

well since there are still enough negative comments, they must've restricted it after some time based on that reaction

[unborn dagger]

I mean I really couldn't care less about it since the lore of hunt is pretty crap anyways besides it's a pvp game.

[limpid umbra]

You should play Dickie A. Commings

[warm zephyr]

@glass fractal elaborate

[glass fractal]

I never ever used this option for what it is in existence. I only accidentally click it because before the update it was the "unequip"-button (I think). this is annoying. I do not understand what that button is for..?

[little jackal]

to strip stuff off freshly hired hunters

[queen jungle]

@undone star IMO player names should be removed entirely once again like it was during early access since it really impacts the immersion. Character naes would be appropriate to have.

[warm zephyr]

other players don't exist...?

[cedar helm]

I like the feature.
I regularly run a hunter, strip their loadout on extraction and recycle the loadout on another

It makes it a lot more streamlined of a process

[knotty ore]

I think Hunt has an identity crisis when it comes to the kind of competition it wants to facilitate. Does it want to be a competitive shooter? If so, why is the MMR system trash and top tier play absolutely neglected? Does it want to be a casual game? Then why are we tracking KDA (everyone seems to be obsessed with it as its the only area to wang measure over), and why do all game modes affect MMR? Its sitting somewhere in between maybe due to resources not being allocated to Hunt's competitive systems.

I feel like MMR tier system needs work. If you hit 6 star you should not be able to derank by throwing games on purpose. Also there should be an incentive for people to get there.

[warm rose]

I would like even more details when a player kills me or vice versa. I’d like to see what everyone in a match was killed by, and by who or what, so I can learn for one, and show off for clout. Even in team member details after the fact please ^^

Example: If Jester-Fucker got killed by a bear trap at the start of the match, and I had nothing to do with it, I’d like to know so I can learn to watch out for bear traps in teh future at the start of matches ect.

[knotty ore]

This is also just me, but I would like to know if someone ate my kill trap I left after I've extracted. Or, do they just disappear when I leave the game?

[warm rose]

Yes please!

[knotty ore]

I uuuhm, leave presents at extract sometimes.

[warm rose]

No they stay, I know they do

But I would like to know if my “post-mortem/extraction” trap got someone

Maybe even a pity bounty for post mortem kills ?

[knotty ore]

I want a big popup in menu, "hey buddy, you killed that sniper who sat at 200m while you extracted. He walked into your kill trap hurrying to beat the 5m timer after you've left."

[glass fractal]

why do I have to explain to you that feedback is subjective, man?

[warm zephyr]

feature that a lot of players want, but is insufferable to you because you can't click the right button should be removed... ?

[snow path]

That sounds nice, but no unless you count 5 start lobbies low mmr.

[glass fractal]

what exactly is this "feature" for and since when do players want it?

[sterile cliff]

It is a quality of life feature so you dont have to click through every item you have when you want to unequip everything and make a new custom loadout

For example if you get a free hunter, you might want to remove everything and make some kind of custom loadout on him instead

[sterile cliff]

And there is a difference between constructive useful feedback and unargumentated demands to remove things from a game

[warm zephyr]

i used to waste one loadout slot to strip hunters

[glass fractal]

why would anyone want to use a free hunter skin..?

But fair enough, I get your point

to me it is just annoying. nothing else

[warm zephyr]

I personally hire hunters for their traits. Their weapons are usually jackshit so a button to strip them is a godsend

[glass fractal]

all right, I see. I just play differently then, I guess. Thanks for the points, guys!

[unborn dagger]

To save on cash? Lol

[stray horizon]

no they definitely stay because I have died to people's traps they left after extracting

this one time three of us were chasing a bounty team who had just extracted and we had bounties ourselves and we went by a red barrel that they put an alery trip mine on and it literally killed two of us thankfully the third partner only got down to half health

[knotty ore]

Yeah, I'd like a popup telling me I got a trap kill after extracting. Wouldn't be tight.

Aw man the moderators out here deleting valuable feedback again. Down with the reds.

[ripe basalt]

[knotty ore]

Also, someone disabled my ability to use emotes. You so powerful.

[ripe basalt]

For which chat?

[knotty ore]

This one.

[ripe basalt]

And being condescending doesn't help.

Let me see if emotes are disabled for this chat

Oh, the role has the emotes disabled because of the spam

it's not channel specific

[knotty ore]

Being condescending is fine for feedback. If the devs are creating an environment where its easy to be annoyed and frustrated, they should know that lol.

[unborn smelt]

No

[ripe basalt]

Was referring to this statement

[knotty ore]

Oh, the reds are by far the worst thing about this channel.

Just feedback

[unborn smelt]

That's okay... Being condescending because you are frustrated is not.

[knotty ore]

Why not? It seems pretty human. You think most customer service phone lines have rules where they hang up if you are rude? No, you get fired if you do that. We are customers, this is akin to a customer service line.

[unborn smelt]

We're not CS...

[knotty ore]

The reds are basically customer service reps who have too much power and don't get paid lol

[crystal plume]

You joining the server means you had to accept to follow #discord-rules

🙂

[knotty ore]

Pretty sure I am, just providing feedback on the current state of the feedback system.

Cant do that without possibly making the reds mad, just saying.

[crystal plume]

You are free to leave feedback as long as it's constructive and not disrespectful/condescending towards anyone, we can leave it at that

And that includes both the developers and us ^

[little jackal]

arrest him, freds

[unborn smelt]

Providing feedback is fine, being condescending and intigating is not.

[little jackal]

f with strikethrough looks like some currency symbol

[unborn smelt]

You're free to leave feedback in the appropriate channels in a civil manner, thank you.

[ripe basalt]

[knotty ore]

Lol ok. Izo is cool though, lets keep Izo.

[flat oar]

You can stun lock the assassin, and i personally think the assassin is fine for the most part. He never really fully runs away, only downside is that you can't sticky him, but the ability to stun lock makes up for that.

Plus his "enrage" isn't anything that forces you to leave the building

[brisk timber]

The assassin feels a bit more straight forward tho
He also likes to come at you and is somewhat predictable
Also hes way easier to hit or to stagger

The spider sometimes completely avoid you at times
And then jumps at you and knocks you over, then poisons
and then fucks off again
While youre watching the clock and nearly having done no damage

[flat oar]

Exactly.
I don't wanna feel like im fighting the veitcon whenever I'm trying to kill a boss

[brisk timber]

Well. to be fair. I somewhat like it because it gives a bit more challenge and is more time consuming.
But its just not in line with the other bosses.
So either have the others upped their difficulty level or scale down the spider.

Atleast the "avoiding the player" part needs to be tweaked

[flat oar]

For sure.

That's my biggest gripe with it

[brisk timber]

And dont forget the hitbox

man how often i have swung the sledgehammer into air

[flat oar]

Or missed a point blank nitro

[brisk timber]

Yea the spider is extremely twitchy in its movement aswell, at times its a bit like teleporting around

sooo annoying

[flat oar]

Im 90% sure it just goes through walls and floors

[knotty ore]

@karmic bear Yeah man, region lock needs to happen. But, it won't. Too many Crytek parters play out of region.

[karmic bear]

@knotty ore Wait.. Why? Are the servers so broken that region jumping is needed?

[knotty ore]

From videos I've seen its to play with friends. But, I'm more than willing to disappoint one person to improve the gaming experience for everyone else.

[brisk timber]

It could be tried to setup an international queue
With one queue for people who game with players around the globe the queue times could be okay'ish

And in return we could region lock the other queues

(the sever that is played on in the international queue is then decided by the pings of the participating players)