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[celest solstice]

I'm good here. Like I said, if you don't like then don't read it and move on

[half stag]

bit late, but Fistful of Frags is one

[frosty garnet]

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Fix the ping identification please. It have very easy to fix and very painful for some regions problem: different servers of the same region can have completely different ping. As I understand you use some server to check the ping in menu. But ping to the real match server can be completely different. I see it very often when I play on Asia region. From menu I see 90. But in real matches it's sometimes constant 90, sometimes constant 200, just random. And the only thing I can do is escape the match in the case of 200.```

[crystal plume]

@warm crater There are no multiple server locations for one region

So the ping in your menu is to that region's actual server location

If you randomly have matches with constant higher ping I assume you have a secondary region selected and it's putting you there, you can just remove your secondary region for consistent ping

[warm crater]

No, I am sure that there are no secondary region selected, matches was on Asia region. I can actually make a video to show. The interesting thing that from menu I have 90 every time. It's never fluctuate. But in matches it can be sometimes 90 sometimes 200. Also I am sure that it isn't local network related temporal issue because it's constantly around 90 or around 200.
But as I understand you have a lot of different servers for the one region. Even if all this servers located in one geographical place they can be routed differently and have different access time.

[frosty garnet]

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Imagine trying to ‘extract’ with an item you discovered worth $100,000 on the chain.

Think about entertainment value as a viewer let alone player.

A new PVP experience is upon us…```

[tawny meadow]

@timber fossil deleted your suggestion because it's basically a meme.

[dense schooner]

Calm down Dr. Disrespect.

[burnt mulch]

@indigo thorn uhh you can do that

it's in your options

graphics/performance stats or something

[indigo thorn]

On PS4?

[indigo thorn]

Addet for consoles to te text, my falt.

[queen jungle]

@wicked kayak I think 16 players and teams of four would be too much. Hunt's maps were designed with 10 players in mind and 12 is already 20% more than originally intended. Also, the core team mode of Hunt is duos, so everything is made and balanced with duos in mind.

[burnt mulch]

6v6 hunt showdown when

[void lion]

AYO FIX UR FUCKING RECONNECT CUH ITS TAKING AGES TO RECONNECT WHEN A GAME FROM 10 YEARS AGO TAKES LIKE 15 SECONDS

[grand pagoda]

HEAR ME OUT: All these changes will SHI*T the game! I'll stop playing it on 1.12 if self-revive goes live.

[opal turtle]

I agree I think the self revive and the Serpent buff for solos is dumb

[little jackal]

you don't understand, solos are underdogs

let Dennis sit under the bush the whole match and still be able to win

[grand pagoda]

double dark sight? WTF are they thinking!

[opal turtle]

I think the dark sight change is fine picking up the bounty still isn’t worth it especially for solos

[opal turtle]

He needs the help

[frosty garnet]

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Can you now please think about nerfing avtomat, and mosin and lebel in general? they are to stong when you look at the long ammo in general```

[north sleet]

I think they should remove mmr scaling for solos since they're handing them massive buffs, and remove the ability to dump your mmr in quickplay 🙏

If they want to play as "underdogs", let them do it in their own mmr lol

[outer wedge]

they dumped the mmr by dieing 5 times in 1 game... i hope they fix that

it was 5x faster de rank with solo revive than quickplay

[queen jungle]

It makes solos equal to teams, so it's not really an unfair advantage for solos.

[north sleet]

One person shouldn't be remotely equal to three people - That's the benefit of playing this team game as a team game.

XD

[grand pagoda]

it is a god damn team base game! Solo HAS TO BE harder/unfair/disadvantage. WHAT'S THE POINT of getting even more higher rewards????

[wary hinge]

half of the things will still require one/two games worth of character xp to get them

[little jackal]

playing in teams, huh? I see you like suffering, gents

[grand pagoda]

if it goes life I won't play this game anymore! What is the point see EVEN MORE people decreasing their MMR in trials to being solo with ALL THESE BUFFS!

[grand pagoda]

which can be done as a team to be used as solo later.

[wary hinge]

yes but it still needs to be done, although playing a team then actively switching to solo is still a downside

as much as these buffs are powerful, having only one sightline/gun on enemies will always be a hindrance compared to multiple

[grand pagoda]

not if you have even MORE REWARDS

[wary hinge]

lets look at the more rewards

more hunt dollars in an already inflated hunt economy

means very little

Unless you are lets say actively prestiging

and even if you are actively prestiging you will not be consistently having these powerful perks

like necro

so the more rewards means very little

plus in a game all about risk reward right

taking one of the largest risks: being solo
should logically have a bigger reward

[grand pagoda]

very little on top of a pile of terrible changes.

[wary hinge]

What other terrible changes would you say were there

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[burnt mulch]

you really think solo getting the same amount of darksight as a team gives them parity?

[grand pagoda]

double dar sight, self-revive, double range in serpent <<<<<basically all 1.12 changes

[grand pagoda]

yes!

[burnt mulch]

have you tried.. I dunno, shooting them with two people? lol

self revive could use some work but they dont have anyone to cover their revive or give info, its blind.

[near vector]

all this babyrage about solo self revive xD

[wary hinge]

self revive is the only one im really iffy on

it being 10 seconds between revives 100% gives more chances to cover the body

so thats a good starting nerf

i can see them making it worse in other ways later on possibly, if it is too powerful

[unborn dagger]

Just as long as death cheat stays out of the game

[crystal plume]

@queen jungle What do you mean They said that they increased the fire rate

[burnt mulch]

if they fixed the “i can still stand up if i get burnt all the way out” then its honestly balanced.

[wary hinge]

double range in serpent i also do dislike

[grand pagoda]

well...I was slowly getting back to For Honor...I think 1.12 will make this decision easier and faster to me.

[burnt mulch]

that bit I’m iffy with on.

[wary hinge]

tbh i think just making it solos get double serpent speed instead of double range would be nice

[burnt mulch]

i think serpent is fine as is

[hot vigil]

the time frame of revive was never my issue, more that I have to babysit a body while I watch a body cook.

[radiant river]

😁

[wary hinge]

I personally enjoy the slight paranoid nature of it
but thats obviously up to the individual

[burnt mulch]

double bounty time just gives solos the same amount of time, but faster/longer serpent gives opportunities.

[little jackal]

They will bring it back next update to keep people playing teams and getting shit on from quitting for good.

[grand pagoda]

it's boring as F

[wary hinge]

placing a trap is generally just enough

they either instantly die or make a noise allowing you to act upon their injuries

[burnt mulch]

yeah but you have to be nearby to act.

[wary hinge]

True

[burnt mulch]

cant leave to go get bounty or w/e

[unborn dagger]

Does hellfirebombs still burn a small chunk if they're down?

[burnt mulch]

no

[wary hinge]

but most situations self rez come into dangerous play though tend to be when they are nearby no?

[unborn dagger]

Ah

[burnt mulch]

yeah but its not about danger or balance

[grand pagoda]

uhum...we have to bring consumables not to fight but to babysit dead bodies....YAY...SUPER FUN!

[hot vigil]

Yeah, I think for me a more "healthy" solo necro would give a time gate on when the solo can revive (let us say 10 seconds) if they exceed that, they can't revive.

[wary hinge]

I wouldnt mind a time gate

[burnt mulch]

10 seconds is too short

but also they just nerfed the minimum time to 10s lmao

[wary hinge]

two things

if you play in teams you are already practically forced to bring chokes
you are not forced to bring consumables as beartraps n such already exist

[hot vigil]

well whatever that forces a solo to get up quickly so I can move on with my game :b

[radiant river]

beartrap doesnt kill someone

if they have resilience

[wary hinge]

i covered that before

with the noise comment

[burnt mulch]

yeah but again you have to be nearby.

i get in a spawn fight with a solo and now i cant go for bounty for like 3 minutes

[wary hinge]

Yeah but again self rez is really truely only dangerous when they are nearby or wait like 5 minutes

I do agree with the time gate

[outer wedge]

@queen jungle they did increased the Fire rate

[burnt mulch]

i-w/e we’re going in circles

[wary hinge]

yes

[queen jungle]

umm guess I missed 10 seconds cause I watched the whole stream but I grabbed snacks between

[wary hinge]

but that does tend to happen with discord discussions

[queen jungle]

Ty

[wary hinge]

Serpent i think was the most for, lack of a better word, worthless change of them all

[burnt mulch]

not if you’re actually discussing instead of defending yourself 🍵

[little carbon]

They should make it so you cant self revive while burning at least

[outer wedge]

Kinda sad they didn't brought back the Lunar pack trait.. not losing 1 bar after first fight was massive for me, and i think it creates healthy pvp

[burnt mulch]

worthless how? it’s incredibly relevant

[queen jungle]

Personally I absolutely agree, duos is Hunt's core mode and solos was always meant to be harder the same way trios is easier.

I just pointed out it makes them equal. If it were up to me, none of those solo player buffs would exist 🙃

[wary hinge]

Idk the word to use

uh

shouldnt have been added

lets just go with that

[burnt mulch]

ah.

[hot vigil]

That might be a little too harsh. Also it kinda makes firebombs more mandatory.

[burnt mulch]

self rez is fine, it makes trades not onesided. add a time window or remove its interaction with resilience and its fine.
darksight double is fine.
serpent buff is ew

[wary hinge]

well said

[burnt mulch]

my favorite “solo buff” has to be conduit, that was elegant af

[little carbon]

But its better than having to babysit a body forever. If a change cant be made to be fun for both teams and solos, it should be made for the teams as thats the intended way to play Hunt. There needs to be a way to remove a solo from play, so a team can move on

[queen jungle]

Did they say when the update will go live?

[wary hinge]

conduit is great

the biggest solo buff i really wanted was a way to pick up two bounties from the same boss

Like for example instead of all these changes you can banish a boss a second time for the ability to pick up the 2nd one

[burnt mulch]

remove resilience interaction with solo rez and/or necro in general. bam.

[hot vigil]

True true, my dream scenario is that we get the option to queue "full teams only" too someday. But feel like people would complain about that.

[little jackal]

It used to be the intended way. Welcome to the future, old man.

[little carbon]

Thats not the issue. The issue is that you have to postpone playing the main gameplay loop while waiting for a body tu burn out

[grand pagoda]

I like to have consumables and tools TO FIGHT not to BABYSITTING dead bodies. These changes IS NOT FUN!!!

[burnt mulch]

throw a lantern on them and find a bear trap.

[little carbon]

It still is. You can try to increase the viability of fringe playstyles without changing your core gameplay ideals

[little carbon]

Then they just revive twice

[burnt mulch]

then they’re down 2+ bars.

[hot vigil]

except if you kill them outside a compound. then it is not as easy.

[grand pagoda]

still have to do a lot of stuff instead of having fun playing the game. Middle of another fight? EVEN WORSE!

[little jackal]

Crytek seems to actively disagree

[little carbon]

Doesnt matter. They still get to try and attack you or worse, extract

[wary hinge]

cant one argue that you would still do similar things if it was a player who could be revived/necro'd by a teammate

[burnt mulch]

“or worse, extract” uhh.

[little carbon]

Not really. With no word they said that they want to move towards solos as the primary way to play, especially considering that there is still no solo queue

[grand pagoda]

NO! I'll be looking to kill the teammate not babysit the body and IT IS FUN!

[runic crypt]

yeah its effectively cheat death at that point which defeats the whole point of a tiny mechanic called losing your hunter 😛

[void bloom]

you get the magpie change so u can have 10s dsb tho.

[hot vigil]

Active vs passive gameplay.

[wary hinge]

Most of the time to kill the teammate keeping an eye on the body is a piece of thing

[little jackal]

why would solos queue against each other when they can just shit on teams

[wary hinge]

that want was before magpie changes
obviously you cant have that with them

[grand pagoda]

OK...IT IS FUN! babysit IS NOT FUN!

[little carbon]

The best way would probably be to just have a maximum amount of time after which you can no longer revive. Something in the likes of around 5 to 10 seconds after the revive is unlocked. That means half a minute after you kill someone you can be sure they wont get up again

[wary hinge]

yes killing players is fun
but again if you are looking for success at killing the players you will most likely keep an eye on the body as that is a likely place they will go to

[burnt mulch]

its death cheat except it doesnt work all the time, costs time for the death cheater, and costs multiple trait points each time to restore bars.

[hot vigil]

eyup

[little carbon]

But it gives a chance for the one situation that selfrevive is healthy in: trades

[wary hinge]

yes

another solution can just be making self rez a 1 time thing

(plus that would help reduce its usefulness for mmr dropping)

[runic crypt]

Yet unless someone camps them till they burn (which means people need to keep burns or spend time searching for one), then it will always work, and death cheat always costed trait points to restore bars and it was never a big issue, and I'm pretty sure people that want to preserve hunters won't care about time. It's death cheat.

[little carbon]

Considering that traitpoints are infinite anyways if you rotate through a full roster of Hunters, since the urn likes to give them

[burnt mulch]

you can “death cheat” by just farming xp off the map and avoiding players. that costs time and you can always play with a levelled hunter.
and.. people do that.

[grand pagoda]

not if you are fight the others teammate. I don't have to worry with dead bodies. I am NOT a gravedigger/keeper.

[runic crypt]

Yeah avoiding players, not potentially killing 2 out of 3 players, dying, then the team leaves because they don't have burn, and you getting up and extracting. You can take fights with less risks, it is different. You can engage, lose the engagement, but not get punished nearly as much as before.

So solos get boosted traits, way more money and EXP from a single bounty, AND have the ability to revive themselves several times in a fight, AND if the enemy team decides not to waste their own time, extract their hunter instead of losing it.

[little jackal]

what a mess

[runic crypt]

Honestly I can see solos already taking engagements purposefully outside of compounds so that teams won't be bothered to run for a burn and just self-revive after a while or even after all bounties extract just to save their hunters

[grizzled kiln]

the boss was bugged the whole time, didnt come out, plus when i killed it in his beetle form he still crawled the walls

anyone know how to fix this?

[brisk timber]

Right? Its like such an obvious thing hitting you right in the face.

Adding self revive in such a way will inevitably spark some unease in players

[runic crypt]

Yeah I think there are already several good possible solutions already suggested by people here:

1. Limit the number of revives
2. Allow only to revive within a certain timeframe, after it you may no longer revive

Either of these suggestions would really lessen the disruption of self-revive

[grand pagoda]

I have never been THAT disappointed with a update as much as 1.12. For F SAKE!

[median furnace]

what do you mean lol. there are some questionable changes, but the majority is so damn good

[runic crypt]

The few can create potentially big problems >.<

[grand pagoda]

most is terrible and will make the gameplay loop just unfun just like in the last event.

[median furnace]

did we even watch the same dev stream

how is "most" terrible

[little jackal]

most is good but they completely devalued everything with solo changes

[burnt mulch]

overreaction.

[dense schooner]

i’ve honestly still been doing what i did in the event: concertina and burn. never know if they have a teammate waiting for us to leave so they can get a res

[median furnace]

i don't think the solo changes will remain as is for long

i expect some tweaks

[burnt mulch]

self rez could use some work but its fine as a concept.

double bounty time is w/e sure.

serpent change is a bad direction

[median furnace]

serpent change is crazy

[burnt mulch]

overall still positive

[brisk timber]

I think the self revive in general is a good thing. But how they implement stuff is certainly problematic.
Aswell as another silenced gun.
This stuff is tending to sniper/bushwookie playstyle and in my opinion those are problematic playstyles to begin with because they often end up in stalements - situation where players are afraid to move or leave cover.

[burnt mulch]

the current implementation of self rez, outside of “wait 10 minutes and rez” is the same as having a teammate just necro you up.

[brisk timber]

Im not against sniper mains or something. But having the upside to beeing able to effectivetly kill people from afar needs downsides aswell - and not more upsides.

[burnt mulch]

silenced guns aren’t good snipers anyway though?

[median furnace]

i saw someone in the dev stream mention sniper scope glints and i wholefully agree with it

[dense schooner]

not when you get sniped 100-200m away and your body falls behind cover so you have a chance to safely get up

[burnt mulch]

what’s stopping a 2-3x sniper team from doing the same?

[brisk timber]

Yea but they are silent, have no muzzle light and are harder to track.
At night that becomes even more problematic.
Hide and seek is not fun as a shooter mechanic.

[grand pagoda]

yeap...I like to have consumables and tools TO FIGHT not to BABYSITTING dead bodies. These changes IS NOT FUN!!!

[burnt mulch]

.. yes it is?

[brisk timber]

Is this a thing. Never saw that. Or is this something that maybe gets added?

[burnt mulch]

sneak attacks and mapwide positioning is part of why you play an open world extraction shooter

[unborn dagger]

^

[burnt mulch]

otherwise you’d play an arena shooter

[unborn dagger]

Especially in this game

[median furnace]

no, it was a comment from a chatter

but i wish it was added

[brisk timber]

Yea this is indeed an awesome neat idea.

[median furnace]

lol i searched for the keyword "glint" in #game-ideas and it's been mentioned a bunch

we neeeeeeeeeed iiiiiiiit

[unborn dagger]

Nah

[median furnace]

Yah

[burnt mulch]

I’m kinda meh on glint because it doesnt matter very much. sniping is strong because you cant contest it at the proper range, not because you don’t know where they are.

[brisk timber]

I think its stale.
Whoever moves first loses.
Hiding in bushes for 45min is not exiting.
Its so boring and stale that the Bosses even are needed to get the gameplay going at all.
Thats why other shooters have walls closing in because you end up having people sitting around watching the map for something that moves.

[median furnace]

i don't know where they're shooting from almost all the time. you can't see them

[brisk timber]

I had a guy shooting me with a silenced sparks from some bushes. I could never make out where he was exactly. Everytime i peeked to see where he is i got shot for crazy damage. I ran out of medpacks fast. If i approached, he circled back.

If the gun made atleast a muzzle flash i could have a chance.

Its boring and obnoxious to play against silencers

[burnt mulch]

sure, but thats not sneak attacks being too strong, its that theres no incentive to be proactive. You can be proactive and play for sneak attacks and map positioning.

[brisk timber]

Ok did i say i dont like sneak tactics? i said i dont like bushwookies and silencers.
Im all for having great opening and using positioning.

But something like a muzzle flash is needed.

[burnt mulch]

yeah uhh no its not lol.

[brisk timber]

The sniper scope glint is a example par excellence for a good mechanic that combats bushwookie style aswell

I have a handful of friends that quit Hunt because it becomes stale in higher elos because of stuff like that

People actually rank down because it gets boring playing that way

Everyone wonders "oh why hunt playerbase is so small" or "oh why have to play as 4* against a 2.5 k/d"

Because this game is too focused on hide and seek tactics

[burnt mulch]

you’re going about this in the wrong way by conflating all these things together

you’re talking about like 4 things at once

[brisk timber]

Because things effect each other

[burnt mulch]

no they don’t. at least not in the way that you’re trying to imply.

[lone oxide]

they didnt even adress avtomat..

[burnt mulch]

snipers being too strong isnt because they can hide. it’s because you can’t fight them at their range unless you just outsnipe them back.

meanwhile silencers have reduced muzzle velocity which works against sniping and you can tell from which direction they’re shooting by the bullet whiz. You don’t know their exact location but they’re likely close

which means you can play with movement and sound.

if they use HV to snipe, they give themselves muzzle flash anyway

bushwookieing and passive play is strong because there’s no incentive to advance the game. Proactive gameplay needs an incentive. Silenced weapons aren’t a tool for passive play, they’re a tool for sneaky play.

you can be just as passive with a shotgun as you can be with a silenced vett.

[brisk timber]

Ok lets focus on what we have in common.
I think thats a right take right there. Pro active play needs indeed incentive.
I concede that im maybe a bit biased against silencers and snipers because i see those getting more "room" while i feel like proactive gameplay loses even more "room" with those additions.

[burnt mulch]

not quite certain what you mean by “room”

[stray horizon]

ayyyyy they're doing the shooting range

[little jackal]

I wish they'd add some sort of a club

maori war club looks almost too exotic tho 🙂

https://www.new-guinea-tribal-arts.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Maori-war-club.png

still cool

[dense schooner]

no love for medium ammo

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[golden cloak]

#game-ideas message javelins are already in the game. It’s called throw the pitchfork with that tool throwing perk

[feral kite]

I guess the majority of the community liked solo revive, I loathed it so much that if it does make a return, like they said it will, I will be done with the game.

[dense belfry]

Not sure where to post this since customer support isn't working...
I need help. I can't get ahold of customer support. I'm receiving no emails from the support Bot. I missed out on the Twitch drops and i have pictures to prove I should have them all.

[little jackal]

and they're so hungry for this easy snack that they refuse to take a step back to see how destructive for the game it will be

or even if it's not that big, there was just no good reason for the change

[brisk timber]

Well thats a bit drastic - but i guess youre just searching reasons to quit at this point.
Hard to believe that one single change can have such an effect - there must be more things that filled the bucket to the brim.

On another note - i feel you. In its form that it was introduced in the event and how they seem to reintroduce it - yea its obnoxious. Can you imagine some form of self revive you would be ok with? How would that look like?

[brisk timber]

Its legit a good addition on paper.
It makes the playing ground fairer.
But yea - i think they should refine self revive - its a quickshot.
The Event showed that self revive in this form is not ready because its not in a healthy state - even if its basically a good addition.

[little jackal]

Assuming Dennis doesn't balance the game just around his playstyle, the reason is to make it more accessible for newer people who don't want to or can't play teams. I get that. But it also reduces the value of self-improving in order to get a W.

I remember having similar emotions about sloop buffs in Sea of Thieves. You had to be relatively good to win against galleons. Now, not so much.

In both these games, it was a big part of my enjoyment and they're just lowering the threshold.

[feral kite]

my friends have theory crafted this and i couldnt think of a way to introduce it without the reason i hate it being an issue. The reason i hate it so much is because it means you have to watch every body very very closely and there is 0 audio cues in place for this so if ur not physically watching it you will miss it. It just causes to much time wasted watching a body as allies go to get soemthing to burn, for every body in the game.

[little jackal]

but yeah, the delivery is also not good

[hexed shale]

im always have suspected that some balacing is done because some devs love being long ammo rats

[pale gorge]

I made a suggestion for basically placeable event totems, and while I might've even downvoted it myself, I'd like to know what people think of it, both positive and negative. I think it's an interesting concept!

[crystal plume]

I actually kinda like the idea

[burnt mulch]

I don’t think we can make a definitive statement on “why”. But self-revive makes one part of the game much more balanced, which is trading. Latency and trading generally bias the team with more players, and solo players never get any benefit out of trading at all.

[tight delta]

I love having more ways of interacting with the world and other players, deployable totem sounds like a good idea. It's a double-edged sword, as it also reveals your presence to anyone approaching it if you both are within its detection range.

[little jackal]

maybe

[burnt mulch]

I think that it’d be either really good or totally worthless. And I don’t want to be in the universe where its really good.

I guess I think it’s too specific.

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[unborn sandal]

I don’t understand why people loathe self revive. Unless the solo is sniping 10 seconds is plenty of time to get to the body and be ready for the res. The only situation in which you wouldn’t be able to cover the body is in an incredibly complex fight with multiple teams and in such a fight a random team necro is just as likely to happen

And saying that you’ll quit the game because they threw a bone to solos is so fucking ridiculous

[pale gorge]

That's a very good point, I like it

[pale gorge]

What do you mean you don't want to be in the universe where it's really good?

[burnt mulch]

I'm struggling to think of the cases in which you would use something like this, and part of it seems like it could be used to detect people hiding in ambush. Which.. kind of is the point of ambushing someone, that you don't know they're there yet. I don't want something like this to invalidate hiding, basically.

[pale gorge]

That makes sense. There were plenty of times during the event where, after a boss is dead so there are no clues or whispers, we heard event totems growling and learned people were nearby

[burnt mulch]

but again, I'm struggling to think of why you would even want to use something like this.

[runic crypt]

It's not about whether or not players will be able to cover the body, it's the fact that players will HAVE to cover the body, find a burn, and wait it out or risk that player potentially self-reviving and backstabbing. With teams, usually you can pressure them to move or just push them so they can't revive and just end the fight, with a solo player, there is literally no other choice but to wait out a burn. Especially now since there probably won't be an indicator that the solo player left the match, you will find in every match where there are solos that got killed a team camping their bodies till they are completely burnt. It's just not fun and creates stale and boring situations, like many people meantioned, solo self-revive could be better if implemented with some limitations to ensure that no one has to wait out a solo.

[burnt mulch]

even in the example you just described, you have to assume people are around the boss lair right? All the totem would do would confirm it for sure, or make you feel safe.

[runic crypt]

I personally wouldn't go as far as to quit myself, I still love Hunt, but I can't say that the direction they are going with is aspiring hope in me. But as always, what is still there in Hunt will keep me coming back unless they seriously screw something up 😛

[burnt mulch]

like.. in what situation would you use a totem, and actually gain information out of it?

[unborn sandal]

Then don’t burn them and walk away if it’s so boring. I don’t understand the difference between burning a solo and burning a guy that ran in like an idiot while his teammate cowers 50 feet away too scared to throw a choke. If you clap a solo they’ll probably either try to get up instantly or wait a year until they’re certain you’re gone with hardly any in between

[runic crypt]

I literally just said why. A solo can self-revive at anytime and backstab. A team member can't, they either need to necro from 25m or revive on the body. Either scenario I can push and attack the team, and end the fight for good, I can't do that with a solo unless he is completely burnt. 😛 Calm down for a second and read carefully the scenario I'm putting out.

Just saying, self-revive could be implemented better, I'm not attacking solo players.

[unborn sandal]

I just said what you can do. Unless you have scan or they have bounty there’s no way to know where a players teammate could be waiting with necro, just as there’s no way to know when a solo will res. Clearly you just want to say that every change that benefits another player demographic will hurt you even though in practice you’ll inevitably find it hardly bothers you. During devil’s moon I only had once instance where a solo player got the drop on me with self necro and it was because I was dealing with another team

[runic crypt]

Why are you projecting other's hateful opinions on me? I'm not saying to screw over solo players, I'm saying they can implement a feature better. Why are you angry at me? I can tell where players are if they are within 25-50m from me if they are moving in the slightest even crouch walking, and usually teammates push together so it isn't hard to tell where they are. It isn't the same.

Like seriously I'm not attacking you. Why are you suspecting that I want you to have less fun? 😛 I just shared my worries on the new feature is all.

[unborn sandal]

Literally the only drawback I see from self necro is that it allows people to derank mmr ridiculously fast but I’m sure they’ll do something to combat that

[runic crypt]

Well people have different views, I think it will create other issues if they don't change it a bit. But hey agree to disagree.

[brisk timber]

I had a game where people killed my mate + another duo. I hid and waited out the fight. Revived my mate as they were all dead and gone. We killed those guys soon after that backstabbing.

Saying solo backstabbing is a risk is a strawman argument. Duos or trios are just as much a risk.

You either burn the body or youre never really safe

[runic crypt]

By the way, my experience in during the event with solos was much worse, so we can't argue based on our limited experiences. It's worth theorizing about the implementation of a mechanic and how it can be disruptive to the gameplay loop. Remember red skull reviving when it was first implemented? It's what this channel is for, discussing potential problems of new features and ways to fix them.

[brisk timber]

But yea. Im all for a max time limit for revive. Cap it at like 1-2min and People are actually fine to leave.

[unborn sandal]

Redskull revives are still far more problematic than self necro will ever be in low mmrs

[runic crypt]

Maybe but balancing mechanics around one MMR range isn't the best design practice.

6* solos might abuse the way the self-revive is implemented now which is why I want some sort of limit.

[unborn sandal]

Except that 3 and 4 star make up most of the playerbase

Try to make as many people as possible happy

Not just the ones that whine really loud

[brisk timber]

I think the 10sec were implemented because of low MMR people havin so many problems. 6* are laughing about self revive - its laughable easy deniable - except for some ass sniper.

[runic crypt]

Dude the people that wanted the self-revive were the whiniest if anything 😛 I'm literally trying to discuss the potential problems with you and all you are doing so far is complaining 😛

[runic crypt]

Yeah it's easy in 6* to deny the revive but it will still hold you over till they are burnt while the bounty team potentially extracts before you can get to them, or risk being backstabbed. I think it's going to be an issue in all MMR ranges.

[brisk timber]

I think burning bodys is what Crytek really wanted to begin with. But its way underplayed. I think having this mechanic getting more focus again is a good thing thats adding tension, threads and tactical decisions.

But yea. Too have a lantern or firebomb at all times is not good.

[runic crypt]

Well burning was way more lethal and dangerous before:

1. It was much faster
2. There was no chokes
3. The only way to put out a teammate on fire was to fully revive them, then they have to put themselves out, compared to being able to put them out instantly by touching them now

I think Crytek decided to move away from burning being very powerful, especially with red skull reviving.

[brisk timber]

Thats why i advocate to give players a lighter as default to burn body in meele range.

[runic crypt]

Yeah maybe

[unborn sandal]

I’m active on this discord pretty much every day and I’ve seen one or two well worded comments saying that solo necro was a healthy addition during devils moon with some tweaks that should be added. Now you guys are coming out in droves threatening to quit the game if you don’t get your way

[runic crypt]

Maybe have it be an animation that takes a few seconds so people don't run and insta-burn

[runic crypt]

AGAIN! You are projecting ONTO me xD

wtf do I have to write for you to believe I'm not saying to remove it or I'll burn my house down xD

I'm saying it can be implemented better because the way it is now it can cause some problems.

Jesus

You're literally going to drive me out of my mind and I'll become one of those people 😛

[hexed shale]

this discord is just a whole bunch of folks trolling each other, dont take it personally

[runic crypt]

When they removed solo self-revive a lot of people also came out in droves threatening to leave by the way...

It's always like this

[unborn sandal]

You’re making up these evil solos and calling them whiny little shits when you’re the one whining bro

[runic crypt]

You literally started the conversation whining about whiners when you already got the feature you wanted 😛

But yeah you're right I'm the one that's super mad and crying here

Absolutely

[unborn sandal]

I don’t even play solo mate I just think it’s a healthy addition and I’m defending it

[runic crypt]

Okay, sorry for offending you.

[hexed shale]

case in point

[runic crypt]

I'm just a baby who cries so ignore me 🙂

[brisk timber]

I like that Grim is critical. Im a advocate for self revive and think its toxic in its event/current form. It needs improvement.

[runic crypt]

It's fine just like red skull Crytek will probably make tweaks.

They are not bad devs after all 😄

[hexed shale]

assuming it is improvable. the main issue i see is that it will incentivize more solo snipers primarily, if you change it, it primarily effects those aggresive solos while letting solo snipers still use it to an annoying point

the main question is how can it be changed to incentivize aggressive and interesting solo plays and not solo sniping

[unborn sandal]

Explain to me exactly why it’s so strong
They’re in a 1v2 or 3 situation
When they get downed they have no cover or info on your position other than muffled audio
When they get up they’re 1 tap to long and some medium
It will take you more time in 75% of cases to deal with a team than a solo because the solo will probably res at some point during burn and lose a 25-50 health instantly

[hexed shale]

though that is the main problem with hunt in general

[runic crypt]

Yeah true but honestly solo snipers or very safe, campy snipers are a problem onto itself. The way you fix it is by fixing the sniper problem, not necessarily through the self-revive mechanic.

[runic crypt]

I'm not going to. I'm sorry but you take my statements too personally so just assume I am stupid and I want people to have less fun than me.

[hexed shale]

well i am mainly worried it will increase the annoyance of solo snipers while not really giving alot of interesting play for the typical aggressive solo player and their opponent

since alot of the useage of solo rez was just staying dead until the guy who shot the solo leaves

or was sniper usage

[runic crypt]

Ah fair point.

[hexed shale]

it is a buff but it buffs solo sniper plays way way more than aggressive solo plays

since it is ultra easy to counter up close

[runic crypt]

Yeah I don't know I don't think there is an elegant solution there. A self revive mechanic is somewhat disruptive by itself so we have to accept some problems that can't be fixed perfectly.

You just have to weigh how much it adds to the overall design of the game vs. the issues it produces, and see if you can tip it towards the positive more than the negative.

Which I'm sure Crytek will be collecting all sorts of stats about how the self-revive is used so I guess they'll be able to tell if people are happy with it

[unborn sandal]

It will give an aggressive player an advantage in a chaotic fight. If they manage to take out a couple or at least trade before they go down the teammates will likely be dealing with res or 3rd party instead of camping body. Although that assumes they don’t have animosity towards solos that many people seem to have and value putting down a solo over all else

[hexed shale]

that is funny that some teams will camp over a solos body for 10 plus minutes away from the bounty

its funny as hell ngl

[runic crypt]

See that's a good point until the last sentence 😛

[hexed shale]

well they worded the last sentence strangely but solo rez made solos live rent free in the minds of teams who have reported spending 10 minutes camping a single solos body. that isnt very fun of a mechanic but it also is self imposed since nothing is requiring that the team camp so damn long

except the desire to farm KD

[unborn sandal]

When I tried out solo necro I had a few times where teams would focus on burning/trapping me and ignore the 3rd party shooting right at them. Literally run towards a person with a gun pointed at their head just to throw fire or a concertina bomb on a body

[runic crypt]

Well yeah it's stupid to camp the body for the sake of camping, but teams that want to make sure they don't get backstabbed will have to camp out the burn at least.

[hexed shale]

also of course solo rez is a buff to aggressive solo players but my concern is mainly that it buffs passive and annoying solo plays even more relative to the aggressive plays

[runic crypt]

Sounds like bad players rather than people with "animosity" towards solo self-ressers.

I'm telling ya, it seems like the majority is whining about self-res but it's just a loud minority. Just like the loud minority that cried and whined when they removed self-res after the event. They seem like the majority because they are the only ones speaking.

There isn't that much animosity towards solos 😛

[hexed shale]

the animosity is good though

i love the salt

[runic crypt]

xD

[brisk timber]

Well to every problem there is a solution. You could add a "ghost" that is reviving the player just like another teammate. HSing the ghost could deny the revive. That could help against sniper self revives.

You just gotta get creative 😄

[little jackal]

I was once stuck in a me vs another solo vs 2 trios fight during the devils moon event. I managed to kill the solo in the building I was in while trios were all around. I knew that in order to not rely on chance I need to secure that kill and so I was just sitting beside the fire for 2 minutes straight. Those were the dumbest 2 minutes of my Hunt career.

[hexed shale]

multiple times we have had people throw tantrums in hunt general because they died to a solo rez

[runic crypt]

I don't know how good or bad something like that would be but it sure is creative 😛 I don't mind if they try it but it might de-value the self-revive too much.

[unborn sandal]

When solo self res was active if a solo didn’t res instantly I would just leave. Most of the time they just extract and if they don’t do so they’re usually 1 shot to the body

[runic crypt]

Yeah nobody goes into this channel to rant about how awesome of a game they had 😛 I just had a brilliant day today where I hit insane shots and wallbangs, didn't run immediately here to brag about it 😛 It's why negativity might seem more present than positivity.

[hexed shale]

some people also suggest adjusting solo rez time according to how far the kill shot was or how far the person who died is to enemy players

[unborn sandal]

I’m getting literally nothing out of burning them and leaving them alive makes them happy and gives me more dopamine if they come back and I kill them. Roasting marshmallows over a corpse isn’t gameplay

[runic crypt]

Experiences can differ so we can't use people's experiences. If I made an argument based on my experience during the event, then I'd say better to remove self-revive completely.

[brisk timber]

I dont like to say. But skill issues. Coming back with 100hp max is a one shot.

People were just not used to it.
I needed to learn how to react to it aswell. After i had learned it was free kills. I once trapped a guy and shot him everytime he got up. Got 4 kills. Easy.

[hexed shale]

it was still funny to have people throw a fit because their team had a skill issue

[brisk timber]

Sometimes people crying isnt a good indication unfortunately. But yea.

[brisk timber]

Man that is actually an pretty awesome idea. Like adding +1sec for every 10meter. Meele range? Insta revive. 10 meters - 1sec. 100meter - 10sec. And so on.

I think this would actually work damn well

[little jackal]

Eff it, if anything, I'd rather take extra ammo for playing solo while we're at it.

[brisk timber]

Maybe a minimum of 3 sec i dont know. Isnta revive could be too strong

[brisk timber]

When were at it add double dmg for bosses.

Spider without finding an axe...ugh

I always get interrupted

[little jackal]

now that I've been thinking about it for more than 2 seconds, extra ammo sounds more reasonable than extra meters serpent magic

doesn't break the natural flow too

no need for camping anything, if you're dead, you're dead. But while you're alive, oh hold on to your butts gents

[brisk timber]

Well atleast double refill at supply points

[hexed shale]

that might be a bit much

imagine double refil or extra ammo for nitro shredder or avto dual sparks

[unborn sandal]

Spider is weak to blunt

[little jackal]

well a team can just bring two nitros (or three)

[unborn sandal]

Sledge is strongest

[hexed shale]

spider is weak in general, it just fucking runs around too much

i wish they would make the spider aggressive rather than a scardycat

[unborn sandal]

No like it’s literally weak to blunt

It takes more damage

[hexed shale]

i get what you mean, i just hate the spider making a 2 minute fight last 5 minutes

[unborn sandal]

Melee wise butcher is weak to rending. Spider is weak to blunt. Scrap beak is weak to piercing. Assasin isn’t weak to any melees but rending can hit his clones while they’re spawning in his frenzy mode and stun lock him

Most effective overall it’s an axe/sticky for butcher, sticky for spider, poison for scrap beak and assasin

[brisk timber]

Hm today i had meeting with a spider

I started with a hammer

But the axe did a better job somehow

[unborn sandal]

If you don’t have stam axe can be more effective time wise because you get 3 hits instead of two and it’s base damage is higher than the hammer to everything but spider

[brisk timber]

Ah that could explain it. Yea i had no kind of stam boost

[unborn sandal]

But for the spider specifically per swing the hammer is more damage

[little carbon]

The issue isn't that it's too strong, it's that it holds the game hostage if the solo decides to wait until the team leaves to revive. In that case your only chance at stopping that is burning and babysitting that burn, which just isn't good design.

Having it so that the self revive deactivates after 20 seconds for example allows solos to revive after a trade or if they died in a good position, but it would stop any kind of "i will try to outwait them" play.

[nimble swallow]

Can people stop complaining about solo revive. It isn't an issue. It never was an issue.

[pure jewel]

👆 Someone that never had to camp a solos body for 5 minutes just so they don't revive later

also it makes this game more casual, which isn't what this game should be

[royal horizon]

Acting like the issue isn't there is not gonna fix it

[spiral dust]

Wow, imagine people in duo can make the same: playing far away for each other, you knocked one, and you cannot find another. If you cannot hold dead body - this is your issue

[royal horizon]

yeah but the other body isn't going to magically rise from the dead on the other side on the map

[pure jewel]

This happens rarely for a duo team, however you're gonna have to camp the body if they're a solo

[spiral dust]

If selfrevive 'issue' let's prohibit reviving in teams without bounty 🤣

[royal horizon]

yeah sure, at this point let's make all weapons one-shot you too

[nimble swallow]

Who cares if they revive later? Just kill them again...
If you don't want someone to stand up, burn them.

You literally don't know if someone is a solo until they self revive.
So even if you kill a solo, you still have to be aware of a duo/trio friend, who may be late and revive/necro his friend.

[pure jewel]

Self revive isn't strong, it's annoying that I have to make sure they burn out so I can be sure they dead

[nimble swallow]

This issue was literally always in the game.

[pure jewel]

if you never bother to look for their mate

[nimble swallow]

Play against randoms and suddenly a random guy shows up 5 minutes after you kill his first teammate.

[spiral dust]

same as in duos, trios

[pure jewel]

with a team I can kill 1, look for the others and if on the rare occurance they're camping and playing super passive, i'll burn their mate and that draws them out

with a solo I have to wait the WHOLE time for them to burn out so it doesn't bite me in the ass later

[royal horizon]

All these solo changes are going to do is further reward rat behavior

you're here to play the game, not sit in a bush the whole game

[spiral dust]

🤣 if people playing rat - they will playing rat, not matter of changes

[nimble swallow]

This has literally nothing to do with solo revive 🤣

[tawny meadow]

Just bring a firebomb instead of 2 frag and 2 vit shot

[pure jewel]

Understandable, but how about we don't encourage that stuff to begin with so it doesn't make the game boring

[tawny meadow]

Or a concertina bomb

[royal horizon]

you can always make meaningfull changes to reward or punish certain behaviors

[tawny meadow]

or a concertina trip mine

Or a poison trip mine

Possibilities are there

[pure jewel]

That is fair

but that relies on you bringing these items for these specific purposes that you may have already used for other reasons

[royal horizon]

yeah cause when the camper sitting a 100 meters away with a silenced sparks self-revies for the 5th time it's not gonna be because of self res

[spiral dust]

Sadly Hunt nothing to deal with it! We might should suggest some stuff for this 🤣

[spiral dust]

Its not to you decide what behavior should be punished 🙂

People are crying about selfrevive too much, reminds me same cult of 'Stalker beetle will kill this game' 🤣

[royal horizon]

the stalker beetle is not a trait, it's a one-time use item that can be litterally countered by shooting at it once

[pure jewel]

The stalker beetle is entirely different, self revive is gonna make the game slower and more boring which isn't fun for anyone, either you are the solo waiting the whole time to wait to revive again, or you are the enemy waiting the 5 minutes for them to burn out, it just isn't fun, and it makes this game more casual and easier

[spiral dust]

wow, selfrevive can be literally countered almost by everything

[pure jewel]

Yes

but all options are boring

[spiral dust]

Dude, this is not COD, this game is not about speedy matches

Stop mentioned this one

[pure jewel]

I never mentioned it was COD, or that it was a fast paced game

[tawny meadow]

Also burning a hunter does not require 5 minutes, come on

[pure jewel]

However long it takes, I don't wanna wait that long just for them to burn out so I can move on to something more interesting

[tawny meadow]

Concertina them

[pure jewel]

Not reliable

[tawny meadow]

Even better, concertina and burn

[royal horizon]

There's a difference between fucking COD and "wait on a body for an arbitrary duration of time" simulator

[pure jewel]

plus they 100% will have resilience

[spiral dust]

People that complains about selfrevive - never played as solo. First of all solo players 1 per match, not even every, in some really rare cases - 2. You did not play solo during event, when you need s**t ton of perks to become more balanced vs duos.

[tawny meadow]

Don't take that for granted. Since death cheat thankfully will not be reintroduced, you'll no more have to deal with level 50 hunter all the time

[spiral dust]

yes dude, 1 lvl hunter, necro, resilience like 100% 🤣 🤣 🤣

[little carbon]

It wouldnt be too big of an issue to just timegate the self revive. Unlocks 10 seconds after being downed, locks 20 seconds after being downed. Still allows solos to revive, but doesnt create these waiting scenarios

[pure jewel]

but wouldn't they need to trait points to get necromancer and resilience anyway?

[tawny meadow]

It is time gated

*it will be

[spiral dust]

This is most stupid way to balance

[little carbon]

Only half. I am talking about it being constrained in both directions

[spiral dust]

Long time to revive? Please see more campers at 100-200m

[royal horizon]

it makes you think about when you use it, instead of using it like Death Cheat

[little carbon]

Not really. It allows self revive in 2 scenarios: After a trade or after being killed in a good spot. It doesnt allow waiting for 5 minutes to revive to maybe save your hunter after everyone left

[spiral dust]

Dude, you have like 0 statistics how much often selfrevive can be helpfull

[royal horizon]

pull up the stats then

common

[little carbon]

What are you even talking about?

[pure jewel]

If the enemy is incompetent then it's helpful

[tawny meadow]

I don't remember the trait point value right away for both resilience and necro (it's 4 and 4?), but it's not cheap

[nimble swallow]

That indeed will not be fun, but let's face it. How many times does that occur?

[tawny meadow]

Well, it is helpful, a lot, we saw that in the event

[little carbon]

Having it so you cant wait forever on the revive makes it so that games move forward since you cannot force a stalemate

[pure jewel]

Although anyone in their right mind would bring resilience with necromancer if they're gonna play that way anyway

[nimble swallow]

I wonder if the people complaining about self-revive are the same people who though the beetle "would kill the game". It's barely used.
Of course self revive will be used a lot, but it's impact is so little.

[normal horizon]

I'm not sure why this is a solo only issue when you already would have done the same to a body if you weren't sure there was a teammate nearby that could revive them after 20 mins. 😄

[royal horizon]

I saw a real increase in cowardness in players since the event. That's why I fear these changes. Because it's already hard finding players that actually want to play the game instead of hiding inside a corner all scared

[nimble swallow]

I saw the opposite.

People didn't lose their hunters or could just revive, so a lot more people just pushed in careless

[tawny meadow]

True, but that will close other opportunity for them. No doctor trait, maybe.

[spiral dust]

I was playing a lot during event, cases WHEN selfrevive can be usefull - like 1 time out of 10. People set traps, concertina, burn. Even if you can get up without being killed, wow - 125-75 hp vs 2 dudes with 150. And you are complain about it 😄

[nimble swallow]

Which was way more fun

[tawny meadow]

The impact will probably be big. But that's a good thing, to shake the situation.

[little carbon]

Because those situations are already annoying. Having to wait for a burn. So why introduce another way for that to happen, especially if there is an easy way to make that a non-issue: By limiting the maximum amount of time you can self revive after

[royal horizon]

I meant, after the event. Like since people didn't have death cheat anymore, they played scared instead of playing Hunt like it was supposed to be

[nimble swallow]

Yeah & I mean, even streamers like Hornet dropped to 4 star because of self revive.
They just kept getting killed over and over when they self revived theirselves.

[pure jewel]

Because I can burn them, and any half decent teammate will likely jump in to save them to reveal their postion

[spiral dust]

When selfrevive you have 0 intel whats happening around

[spiral dust]

That was another issue of self revive

[nimble swallow]

Do you ever play with randoms? Because they don't save you 🤡

[normal horizon]

they usually don't in my experience unless they can safely throw a chokebomb

I personally dont have an issue with either situation I throw a lantern and move on and if they revive or get revived they aren't much of an issue

[pure jewel]

still enough to take advantage of on and finish the job

[normal horizon]

I just keep in mind the possibility of them showing up later

[tawny meadow]

New trait for solo: suppressive fart - it let you create the effect of a choke bomb on your own downed corpse

[normal horizon]

especially solo's they already lost a bar to the first death they will go down pretty easy if they do revive

[pure jewel]

Woah easy there buddy we can't give the devs any ideas

[tawny meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[nimble swallow]

& Since sbmm will be always on now, you don't have to worry about 6 star solo's rekking three stars 🥲

[royal horizon]

that was a good change, honestly. I still hope there will be seperate MMR for QP though

[spiral dust]

No MMR in QP please 🤣

[pure jewel]

At the very least have it so QP doesn't affect bounty hunt MMR

[royal horizon]

yeah, so that people don't derank for bounty hunt

[tawny meadow]

Yeah both of those would be good

[royal horizon]

I hope it's inlcuded in the "matchmaking changes" the devs talked about

[spiral dust]

I dont like idea of 'balanced' lobbies in QP, its always fun to play vs random skill players in QP

And I think it is really helpfull for low ranks some learning how to fight vs high mmr

[pure jewel]

Also QP already has reasonably smaller population than bounty hunt, adding MMR is just gonna make que times longer

[spiral dust]

Thats awesome point

[royal horizon]

that would be the best outcome

[spiral dust]

QP with long queue, imagine 😄

[pure jewel]

one can dream

[frosty garnet]

@karmic kettle, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
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Dynamic crows

The idea behind dynamic crows would be that crows start swarming and sitting on dead hunters after a while. If a hunter has died and the surrounding area goes quite for a while, crows will start to gather around dead bodies and eat them. Hunters that are dead for too long are eaten away and become unlootable. 

What are the pros of this? 

- It adds ALOT to the atmosphere if you come across the aftermath of a fight and crows are already eating away the dead bodies
- You will find bodies easier after a fight occurred that you were not part of
- Players that hide all game just to loot dead hunters at the end will have it harder to do so 

Cons

- might be hard to program this since hunters inside buildings can't be swarmed by crows```

[karmic kettle]

what

where issue

too many line breaks?

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You should post it with the correct format:

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[karmic kettle]

I did that

[tawny meadow]

You didn't write either Title nor Details

[karmic kettle]

am I required to but "title" and "details" or waht

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Yep

[karmic kettle]

oh

[tawny meadow]

Those keyword are needed for the bot 🙂

[karmic kettle]

thanks

[tawny meadow]

np

[clear tide]

i have a problem i did raid 2 with nitro express and got 2 melee detections in the chest and didn't count body damage it says it does 364 body damage in melee i have video evidence can i drop them somewhere?

[tawny meadow]

#bug-reports-pc

But the nitro does not 364 body damage in melee

[clear tide]

how much does she take?

[clear tide]

sorry, I don’t have a lot of hours, I just didn’t know that she didn’t kill point-blank

[tawny meadow]

Not with melee

It does while shooting it

[clear tide]

well, in close combat, I immel because I shot point-blank

[karmic kettle]

it doesn't kill if you hit the legs or arms

[clear tide]

No I hit the chest can show

ok in the second moment I probably hit the leg but in the first?

[karmic kettle]

You shot from your hip, noone can tell you where that bullet landed.

[clear tide]

Of course, I don't want to say anything, maybe I'm wrong, but what am I aiming for? point blank from an elephant fighter with a lens sight?

[tawny meadow]

You have to aim down sight for your shot to be accurate

[clear tide]

okay thx

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When we receive Items, rewards etc - wouldn't it be great if we not get a standard  version but a legendary depending on which scins we own. Like, I fot plenty of frags as Twitch Drops but already have a frag skin. Would be great to have them in my boight skin. I also use theese skins in my pre loadouts and now have to manually change```

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Titel: Already-owned legenday SKins as Rewards instead of standard

Titel nearly says it all. We get a ton of rewards from challanges, Dark Tribute, Quest, Drops etc. Would be nice to get them in a Skin we already own. So when we use Pre-Loadouts we will consume them and not need to manualy switch to the none-legendary item.```

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Avtomat had a good run, its time to experiment and disable it for next event, and if its a successful experiment, remove it for good, its 3rd game of 5 today with trios avtos..```

[rotund oasis]

Probably hit the arm. Nitro will never one-shot on anything that's not the torso/head.

Also:

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A sawn off Slate variant with a spiked end barrel called the *master key* that can blow open barred doors```

[deft laurel]

please make sillenced senteniel 400+ vellosity

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Trait idea for bow: https://youtube.com/shorts/INnopsaMq5s?feature=share```

[brisk timber]

Thats already another problem in baby shoes right there

I play Solo with SBMM off - not because i want to humiliate lower players - but to play with players of my or higher level. Hornet dropping into 4* lobbies is an example par excellence.

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Perk Title: Marionette

Since we control a bug why not a grunt or hellhound for stupid nonsense. Obviously since your controlling it is weakened and can be easily killed but to the unexpected can lead to some funny shenanigans.```

[brisk timber]

When i play Solo and i myselfe with 4-5 stars get matched against 3 star players i lose so much MMR on death but gain a fracture on a kill. This will amplify soon when im able to self revive. Then a 3* player kills me maybe 2 or 3 times even the MMR loss will be massive.

In the end we will have Solo players that usually play on higher MMR drop into lower MMR areas.

With the introduction of Self Revive i think that the MMR-adjustment for Solos should be reversed.

[zinc cape]

It should be removed. There should be no MMR adjustment at all. You are getting boosted for being solo, so you are objectively stronger than other hunters can be.

Or really the best case, don't boost solos with empowered traits.

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New Boss idea:

Wendigo

Has the ability to mimic hunter death noises, melee grunting, damage grunting, etc.

Maybe even give them the ability to interfere with the flashing boss icon mechanic. Maybe make someone have to keep darksight open for a longer amount of time to see if flashes are inconsistent or something.

The damage would be pretty basic bleed damage, but maybe he could somehow disorient you with a screech, almost like the poison bug does. No color, but the edges of the screen make it harder to see.```

[brisk timber]

@vague relic We have easter eggs 😮 many of them
Like .. the Shrek hut - or the 2001: A Space Odyssey Monolith
I guess there are some more i havent seen but they are there 😄

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As a console player, I would like an in-built functionality to invite playstation players to games.```

[sharp veldt]

@unborn hollow in future, please put bug reports in their proper channel 🙂 #bug-reports-pc or #520548749278445608

[ember sail]

Title: Wallbang Mention
Details: The new tutorial on test is excellent when discussing gameplay elements, but perhaps a mention of wallbanging during the post-Butcher dark sight portion may let new players know just how core it is to the game.

[unborn hollow]

Ty for letting me know

[little badger]

I test the new Tuturial , it is great but i missed two thing:
plz explain new Player that u can swap weapon and consumables on inventory swap and that u get ammo from same weapon when u pick from the ground.

[crystal plume]

@surreal python They mentioned an actual shooting range also coming at some point 😄

[surreal python]

Sound really cool! but how about keep the old one before shooting range coming up?

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Wanted to pitch Poacher trait increase the initial damage bite from a bear trap.

-winfield C silenced getting similar vetterli/centennial silencer iron sights
sparks silenced staying the same, for balance.

-also wanted to voice concerns that 50m range solo serpent might be non-engaging. Other suggestion was faster collection times. Reasoning being, encourages bounty to be picked up ASAP, and requires proximity/exposure/engagement in compound fighting```

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New charm the beetle might be nice ❤️```

[ocean sentinel]

i really hope self revive never comes back it was so ass

and i play a lot of solo btw

ruins solo experience

[graceful wave]

Title: Self Revive
Details: please no

[surreal python]

Then go suggestion. i can give you thumb

[ocean sentinel]

?

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-Poacher Trait improves initial beartrap bite damage```

[echo dust]

Title: Solo MMR
Details: Since the new patch is making it easier to solo with upgraded perks and self revive I think the solo MMR reduction needs to be reworked. If playing as a solo is more viable now then you shouldn't need as much of an MMR reduction.

[barren adder]

Title: Trios in DUO queue
Details: Trio team in a lobby in duo queue

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Pay more attention to hunt on console and not just steam```

[chilly nova]

My vault and jump are on different keys already. Does not help.

Nope, my vault and jump are already assigned to different keys.

The issue is vaulting not working consistently.

[viral scaffold]

Yea I'm on console and I have to press X like 5 times to vault

[prime sierra]

Is this the test server?

[barren adder]

Starting to think im stupid because apparently thats normal

First test server.... my bad

[little carbon]

@rotund oasis The free Hunters are supposed to be worse.

[rotund oasis]

Yes. But that does not justify some legendary hunters being borderline impossible to see at times.

[little carbon]

Those "camo" legendaries are very situational. Generally T3 Hunters are better stealthed.

[teal timber]

I agree that free/cheap t1 hunters are not supposed to be chameleons

But i think it is bad for hunt to have obvious p2w skins such as reptilian, cain (even after 2 visual debuffs) and other dlcs in dark grey clothes

[little jackal]

style > camo

t2 cowboys ftw

[teal timber]

☝️

Billy Story players unite

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Duel Hand crossbows when?```

[azure crag]

Duel Hand Crossbows when?

[queen jungle]

This was previously rejected by the devs for being too strong of a loadout option.

[azure crag]

oh :'/

Bomblance deadeye when? 😛

[queen jungle]

Why would you want a bomb lance that shoots deadeye scopes at people instead of explosive bolts?

[lone oxide]

why are the sway levels of all rifles 77 on test servers?

[azure crag]

healing bolts when?

[unborn sandal]

The skins that people consider very camo and p2w are in practice not very that advantageous in most situations. The only time camo is really strong is if they’re hiding in dense foliage but bush Wookies are probably going to miss anyways because they don’t get into fights often and don’t have as much experience as players that go to the fight instead of hoping someone walks past

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Make it so two friends in a lobby can invite a random```

[remote vapor]

gonna stop playing this game due to team killing.

[mental wigeon]

original training still needs to be left in as it is part of what I use to train my aim like many others.

[lean estuary]

@rotund oasis The “style over camo” argument always seems like the case is being made for a different game altogether… so people just want a flicky jump n’ shoot game like Valorant/Apex, but “Dark Cowboy” themed??…This IS the incentive to get Tier2 hunters, at least…adding an option to buy hats and coats would make sense too

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Please upvote this```

[knotty ore]

I heard a lot about the reload bug, but what exactly is this? This wasn't triggered by using the last hit of a consumable.
https://streamable.com/134hbv

[golden cloak]

I just report the team killers. I only get a deliberate team killer like ever 500-1000 matches but I only play solo or trios

[unborn dagger]

@amber stirrup Probably to add in a shooting range later but it would've been fine for it to stay in

[amber stirrup]

I realized I can bring my own load out if I start at the advanced tutorial but it's just one compound I can use it in, and I don't see the point of deleting uncontroversial content.

[silver violet]

In the advanced tutorial, when the Immolators are shot their character models are distorted (mainly one arm and head are at odd angles). I will probably run it a few other times to see if it persists

[limpid umbra]

@remote vapor you are doing something wrong then lmao

[sonic goblet]

@chrome oyster There’s a tutorial for barred doors in the advanced portion

[full jewel]

@queen jungle i would agree with avtomat turnin to special ammo but fire modes no reason to, irl avtmats are full auto only, burst wasnt invented until 1960s

[prime sierra]

Become a solo then

[proven sand]

i play mostly random over 1k hours and so far have been teamkilled only once on purpose, you must have some bad luck there honestly

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[teal timber]

yes, but they give you an advantage in forests

[prime sierra]

To be fair tier3 hunters also have camo

[teal timber]

yes but i dont think it is equal condition

[west wolf]

what are these in kingsnake

[queen jungle]

Even whiteshirts are hard to spot. Some content creator once made a "Find the Cain" video and later on revealed that it was in fact a whiteshirt hiding in plain sight in every single image, while everybody was ranting about Cain being impossible to spot

[queen jungle]

Those look like replace me balls without the replace me texture. Possibly missing assets.

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I just want a moving tumbleweed to get the atmosphere going. It would be sick to see a tumbleweed before a boss fight like in a real western movie. And maybe a tumbleweed storm or sand storm.```

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Make the dark tribute animation longer. Its not long enough```

[worn condor]

one big thing is that must add to tutorial is gunslinger or hunter and explane what that means. because its very hidden and no info in settings and nobody even know that option

[queen jungle]

@little jackal

No responding to other users or quoting them, please post only your own feedback.
😉

[little jackal]

I share the position and couldn't have worded it better

[spice topaz]

I also find it weird how much is being done to make playing solo easier. For example slerpy of 50 meters doesn't make any sense in my opinion.
I play solo quite a lot and I still think that at least certain type of solo play makes the experience worse for everyone.
Solo actually felt better after the event but my mindset could be way different than that of most. I do see the value of not having to change the way you play to avoid the possibility of trades though.

[vale pelican]

hey guys this is a weird one: so I believe that I live very close to the server of Oceania, so close that ping shows 0ms in the lobby, which oceania server rejects me to connect to. I have to purposely either download stuff/use wireless in the lobby to be able to start matchmaking in AU server. Do you guys know how shall I contact the hunt team for this issue? I think the limit for a server is set to 0<player's ping<225ms so that I am technically out of the range

does anyone have a similar issue? I cant play no more cuz my wifi is dead, downloading method very dodgy, I can only use ethernet

[queen jungle]

I just want to get this out there:

As a solo player, I don't want to be able to solo rez. It will ruin the experience for me, the thrill and exhilarating feeling that makes Hunt worth playing in the first place.

I play duos and trios too when my mates are available, but when they're not I love a good solo run to see how far I can get against all odds.

Solo rez will ruin that, and as evidenced by the streamers I was watching last night, having to babysit bodies isn't fun for teamplay either.

[prime sierra]

I like solo revive, it just needs a limit of some form

Taking it away now would raise many players expectations and then crush them.
Also, solo revive offers a new option for players that don't want/ have the option to queue up in a team

Solo revive is a more casual option for players such as myself.
Also, do not forget, taking solo revive is an option and not basekit. If you wsnt a hardcore experience don't choose it

[queen jungle]

That's true, but solo rez is the meta before the patch even arrives in the game. If you're solo and don't take solo rez there's no point in going in the first place lol

[prime sierra]

Its putting yourself at a disatvantage, isn't that the point?

[queen jungle]

Only if all other solos are also at the same disadvantage

That's the point of being solo in the first place, it's not a solo game

[prime sierra]

I'm a very casual player with limited time so it's very comfortable to just play by myself

[cedar helm]

well now you can test your skills ever further by not using the self-rez

[queen jungle]

Catering to casual players doesn't really fit the aesthetic of Hunt if you ask me. You play the game already despite classing yourself as casual, so if you're playing it, you must already find it fun and challenging enough to stick around, so although a solo rez option might sound good on paper, I think it will change the landscape for the worse in the long run.

If they want to turn Hunt into a western themed Call of Duty they should just add a Martydom trait that drops a nade at your feet killing everyone around you when you die and center the crosshair and be done with it.

Me no happy 😦

We'll see how it goes, but imo changing something that isn't broken is a bad way to start the year

[prime sierra]

Catering to casual players is how to make a game grow

[queen jungle]

I suppose it depends on if you want a very popular game or a less popular masterpiece

Fortnite exists 😄

[prime sierra]

IF crytek wants to keep the same number of players, no self revive.
But by opening this game up to casual players it will grow and they are obviously doing that

e.g.: new tutorial

[queen jungle]

The tutorial is great I'm all for that, teach people how to fish and all that, but adding solo rez is the end of Hunt as we know it. It will continue to grow and sales numbers will be great, but the game won't be Hunt as it's known today.

Who cares about risk when you can just self rez? Make as much noise as you want!

[prime sierra]

If you make an argument like that: tarkov exists

[queen jungle]

Yeah but Tarkov is shit, Hunt isn't

[main portal]

end of hunt lol come on man yall say the same things everytime they add something new and guess what the players numbers go up

Beetle got confirmed and players were malding over "DRONES IN MUH BAYOU"

[queen jungle]

Again the player numbers will go up, this is great for casuals, my point is that it will risk alienating the non-casuals

[main portal]

look at it now barely used but its a great tool to counter a camper

[prime sierra]

Hunt evolved a lot, it will evolve more and it will be great. The devs are doing an amazing job despite their lack in numbers

[main portal]

Im a non casual

i have 3k hours in the game and close to 2.0 K/D and dip between 5-6 and this change is S tier

[prime sierra]

Numerically speaking im quite sure casuals outnumber the non casuals

[queen jungle]

Well we'll see how it goes, it's not in our control anyway. But for me it's bad news and not something I want. I just wanted to share my thoughts, not get into an argument about who's right and who's wrong 🙂

[main portal]

cause sometimes I wanna play sneaky or play solo and self revive was a great thing and they even tweaked it by increasing the time to Rez which was the biggest problem during the event

I wish they would add back the sound of players leaving the lobby tho from devils moon event

that such a nice touch even tho it was players losing their marks from pacts

[queen jungle]

If they tuned down the amount of times you could solo rez a bit that'd be fine

[main portal]

I mean its how many bars you have

[queen jungle]

Yeah, which is too many

[main portal]

its not bad considering its 10 SECS each revive

ya and a team of 3 with the same amount is balanced

plus potential red revives

[queen jungle]

Well at least with a team of 3 someone has to physically go over there and put themselves at risk while rezzing

But solos can just turn off trios anyway so that's a non issue

[prime sierra]

One concertina bomb and they'll never walk again

[main portal]

from experience its not gonna be a big issue it will however be a skill issue for players who dont pay attention to their kills and at least trios solos arent abundant you have at most times just 1 solo in a match of trios

duos will probably be more of the solo players experience and other players running into other necro solos

Hell Im definitely gonna be rocking poison/con trips now

farm kills for free 👿

😈

[queen jungle]

You'll have to, that's the point 😛 You kinda have no choice now

[main portal]

not really lol

I just burn or even better take poison bombs lol

those solos will rarely rock antidotes trust lol

got so many kills from poison bomb on devils moon event

farmed a guy like 3 times cause he couldnt figure out it wasnt a trip mine

plus they cant hear the poison bomb on them when theyre dead

[queen jungle]

They can still self rez if they're burning though right? As long as they have bars left, and if they have Salveskin that gives them a huge window to revive even while on fire.

[main portal]

true but even then patience is a virtue to hunt if the bounty matters you'll move on or just burn them out if youre arent in a rush

it might slow the pace down but like I said in a trio match you only run into 1 solo potentially and the general manager saying that empty lobbies are gonna be a thing of the past the potential of more than one solo in trios is gonna be really low

[prime sierra]

Also you can not tell me that people will have problems camping a single body when they Camp compounds for 40mins straight

[main portal]

now a big QoL change for a way to combat rat gameplay that solo necros will start doing in trios is giving us sniper glint

[hexed shale]

alienating the non casuals is a non issue. tarkov for example, is made for non casuals, now whenever you play it, it is quite obvious that the game expects you to spend a significant amount of time on it. hunt has never been like that

[queen jungle]

Maybe not, but I can't say that encouraging more camping is a good thing for your previous argument that this change is good for casual players

[hexed shale]

its a hardcore game but it isnt some weird hardcore pissing contest

[main portal]

I just think alot of players who have a hate towards self rez didnt try it enough themselves or just didnt pay attention to kills and got bamboozled by a solo rez

[hexed shale]

people will get killed by a weapon in a weird way and will insist that weapon is OP

someone was arguging that the silenced vetterli was OP because they couldnt find where they were being shot from

[main portal]

cause I play in higher tier'd lobbies and man when I did solo necro for a week during the event in trios, I definitely dipped down to 3-4 cause of how many times I was letting my self get farmed which is seomthgin they should look into at least regarding the self revive but it isnt as easy in higher skilled lobbies as most players think even when youre sniping cause sometimes that rat gameplay gives you no way to get sightlines in some matches and all you do is really put yourself in a bad spot

[hexed shale]

but they dont see all the bloopers for the silenced vet

same for solo rez

[queen jungle]

oof everyone's ignoring that one, so I'll leave it there. I don't like solo rez that's all I wanted to say 😛 Have a good day, all! o7

[main portal]

I think my only complaint on silent guns is that vetterlis iron sight is so good that other silent guns should get that same treatment but there should be a sound trade off to some extent like there should be a minimum of 60-100m that you can hear silent shots imo

the only weapons that should be SUPER silent are crossbows/bows

[hexed shale]

silenced cent shorty bout to be crazy btw

390 mv

[main portal]

cause have you heard what a silencer sounds like?!

theres no way mofos in the swamp in 1890s creating more efficient anti noise suppressors with some canned foods and wire than todays contemporaries

[hexed shale]

pistol silencers can get pretty quiet though

[royal horizon]

you don't get it, it's a magic can-silencer

[main portal]

ya it will be a problem for sure but I dont think busted plus silenced poison lever finally

[main portal]

[hexed shale]

bro i never thought about it

[royal horizon]

but yeah, how tf is the sparks silencer not loud at all

[main portal]

but im gonna be honesty krag getting variants got me salty af lol

[royal horizon]

why ? Bayonnet funni

[main portal]

well not like I dont want variants but slate bayo when? new army swify or brawler when?

[hexed shale]

well it seems the sparks silencer is supposed to shoot with like a quarter charged cartridge seeing how it fires at like 50 percent the velocity of the proper rifle

[royal horizon]

would make sense, yeah

[main portal]

older guns that still dont have variants should be the focus not a new long ammo that less than 3 months old gets two new variants right out the gat

[royal horizon]

I think they will come eventually, these guns really feel left out rn

but the Krag variants were only a logical continuation to the event

[main portal]

im all for weapons just feel that theyre misplaced in how they put them out imo

[hexed shale]

Bro once i get my shit done today imma hop on test and tey out that krag sniper

[main portal]

also with the questlines having weapons variants in them.... cool but krags wont come for another month???

why even show us

[hexed shale]

Krag sniper has to be gaming

[main portal]

Krag sniper about to be so annoying real talk

already cheaper than the mosin sniper for whatever reason and all its gonna take now is two traits to really make it strong lol

[royal horizon]

kinda stupid of them to reveal all of that in the dev stream. It would've been better if we didn't know we had to wait a damn month for krag variants

[main portal]

also increase the price on scope traits at least marksman and sniper

well they could say whats coming

[royal horizon]

I guess you need dual-sparks Pistols too but that won't be a bother for most people anyway

[main portal]

but dont give it to players to toy with and during the test server than be like ya gotta wait 2 months for something that doesnt need balancing

Nah just take a normal pistol and if youre ratting or playing right krag sniper will just be better for loading shots on the go

[royal horizon]

but that would throw off the balance of all other marksman weapons that aren't broken, like the Marksman Vetterli and Winnie

[main portal]

true but they are strong with High Vs

you underestimating them

the only problem with vetterli is that it cant stack high Vs

[royal horizon]

maybe, I don't really play long range sniper all that much

[main portal]

I play everything and im serious when I say that

[royal horizon]

that is just generally annoying

[main portal]

give scotty high Vs simple

[royal horizon]

yeah, why not. It only has what, FMJ and Fire right now ?

[main portal]

dont sleep on pax fmj lol

[royal horizon]

Pax would be nice af, but they just gave it poison

[main portal]

Poison pax is great actually for a good poison secondary if youre decent with it

I play around with poison pax alot but I prefer fmj pax way more

fmj pax is the true poor mans uppercut

[royal horizon]

I think the best outcome would be Pax HV. The scotty already has great variants, the Pax would have great custom ammo

[main portal]

ehh fmj should be on more guns imo

including poison and incins

[royal horizon]

isn't it already on most guns ?

[main portal]

ehh its missing from a handful that could be really use it or really change their strengths

like bornheim FMJ

would go crazy

[royal horizon]

Like, there's only the Bornheim and Nagants I can think of that don't have FMJ

[main portal]

nagants are an exception

since caldwell is fine as a fmj compact

[little jackal]

they just slap fmj on everything already, like a duct tape for weapon balancing

[royal horizon]

yeah that + a bit more ammo would make it worth something

[royal horizon]

but yeah tho, unironically

[main portal]

True but I dont mind that balancing since it takes some skill to make proper use of fmj

better than increase price

uppercuts unfazed in my lobbies cause mofos just dont prestige anymore lol

Dolch should also be medium ammo again but with clear changes on its velocity and damage

[hexed shale]

no please

no

[royal horizon]

Dolch changes would be interesting to see

[hexed shale]

dolch being medium would be crazy good

bring it with vetterli and all the sudden you have 32 spare dolch shots

[royal horizon]

You guys think we'll ever get double action medium pistols ?

[hexed shale]

probably not

we will have to be content with a slick SA like the spitfire

[royal horizon]

would basically transalte to a Dolch without bulletgrubber

[main portal]

I mean just nerf dolch tho damage would also have medium ammo fall off

including lower V

but dolch P would need a increase in recoil

[royal horizon]

yeah

it's crazy stable rn

[main portal]

Like dolch should be a gun but not this antiquated sweat gun cause they didnt really know how to balance it back then but after that recoil/sway nerf on all semi autos it really changed it

like you can pop off better than a dolch could with new army or nagant high Vs

[royal horizon]

I think they should give it another shot

[main portal]

and it costs a fraction of the price

why you think you only see dolch with nitros or whatever random loadout from 5-6 stars its cause they are legit just throwing it out there cause they can

but if they wanted to really sweat it would be high Vs or Army fmjs considerably

[royal horizon]

It's become this "sweat gun" when it's clearly not the meta anymore

[main portal]

I think logically the only guns in the game that should be seen less by players is scoped/avto/nitro from a lower players perspective but it sucks medium ammo has no semi auto version like compact has two versions lol

exactly

I rock dolchs when im messing around and dont care for my loadout

[royal horizon]

like it's still effective don't get me wrong, but a new army or officer are waaaay more efficient

[main portal]

cause honestly the gun hits hard but the sway/recoil is wild on it compared ot even officer or army

[royal horizon]

yeah

and the dolch looks cool as fuck

like give my boy a chance

[main portal]

so if they nerfed those things that made the gun look too strong newer players would mess around with it more

[royal horizon]

basically harder hitting bornheim

[main portal]

like lower the price by 150-200$ on both version after the nerf and peeps would enjoy the gun but talks about being busted would be out the window

[royal horizon]

would you still make it two-shot to the body if you nerfed it ?

[main portal]

plus imagine poison/incin dolch

Nope it would just be a medium bornheim cause in all honestly the stripper clip is a buff in itself

[royal horizon]

fair enough

and longer falloff

[main portal]

10 ammo load is wild which is why players feel its strength is too much

[royal horizon]

imagine a dolch extended lmao

[main portal]

I mean and it loses the stripper clip

that load time would

[brisk timber]

i never said it was op i said it was annoying to gameplay because it encourages rat behaviour

[main portal]

"ah done loading my 20 round dolch" 👴

[brisk timber]

[royal horizon]

you would spend and actual INGAME half hour to reload from empty

[main portal]

rakki what you think about increasing the sound that silence guns make to 100m then?

[hexed shale]

Not you

It was a while ago

[brisk timber]

phew

[little jackal]

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/130/968/large/dmitry-melsitov-mauser-01.jpg?1405112106

[main portal]

Rakki felt attacked

I mean wheres my prototype m1911

[brisk timber]

how dare you pointing out my insecuritys!

[main portal]

there was a prototype around 1897

[royal horizon]

oh lawd

[main portal]

I mean its really healthy tho we can discuss this stuff around this game further cause they could clearly do these kind of changes in the future

[royal horizon]

yeah

[main portal]

especially with years of content to come after seeing that roadmap

[brisk timber]

Man but yesterday i read the best answer to silencers in the suggestion channel
Every gun above 340m/s MV creates a sonic boom. So silencers have to be under that 😮

[royal horizon]

noone's screaming "dolch op dolch op" every second

[main portal]

Im hoping to see hunt takeover the FPS scene honestly

[royal horizon]

that would screw with the HV ammo no ?

like how fast does base Sparks S go ?

[main portal]

I mean a simple fix would be that if players arent within a certain kill distance you should hear it

[brisk timber]

YES thats the point! HV Ammo by design shouldnt be available for Silenced guns

its stupid

[royal horizon]

i guess

[main portal]

100m would be pretty fair and remove the aperture sights from the silencer guns

also there should be an overheat for them to some extent like how winnie literally sizzles

[royal horizon]

but seeing the current ammo system, it would be weird having some variants without custom ammo

[brisk timber]

I mean its stupid to begin with how "silenced" those guns are. Everyone who shot a gun with supressor knows that its still damn loud. And thats with supressors of today and not from 1895.

[main portal]

imagine breaking the silencer for spamming to many shots in quick succession

[royal horizon]

but if they were that loud, noone would end up using them

[brisk timber]

Well they could still have any other. Fire poison fmj

[main portal]

fanning a nagant would just ruin the silencer and so on

sparks would be exception cause of reload times

[royal horizon]

Or they would only be used at long ranges, furthermore encouraging rats

[main portal]

^

[brisk timber]

Yea thats the point. They are unrealistic as fuck and toxic to the gameplay. Its a gun for rats.
Delete them. Or atleast dont make them so viable on far distances. At least no HV and MV over 340 m/s not for silenced guns.

[royal horizon]

(a bit more skilled rats, yes, but still rats)

[main portal]

Rats are gonna rat regardless of using a certain weapon type

but I agree that that silenced is too silenced for some of them

[main portal]

like at min/max 100-120m you should be able to hear silencers

[royal horizon]

If they aren't viable on long ranges, and they're loud at medium / short ranges, they become a normal ass gun. (without ranged capabilites)

[main portal]

but its a game aspect my guy this isnt trying to hyper realistic regarding these things cause if we gonna talk about realism aint no one living from a sparks shot ect. or nitro and all those other guns gotta have a proper balance to them and fit certain playstyles

[brisk timber]

Yea i know. Gameplay > realism. Im not a realism hardcore guy. So i know if the silencers stay they gotta be viable. But like the Centennial that has an MV of 600 m/s....... giving this gun a silenced variant to begin with I dont know. Atleast cap it at a low MV then

[royal horizon]

exactly, you can't have realism in a single part of the game and leave the other parts like they are. At that point, shotguns would be busted, and poison ammo wouldn't simply be possible

[main portal]

but im 100% agreeing on current way that silenced guns are being used its too easy to sit 50m from someone and legit just spam at them without them having a clue including vetterli having such a good iron sights plus having access to high Vs

[royal horizon]

what's the MV on the silenced shorty ?

[main portal]

has anyone tried the silenced shorty themselves in the test server?

[brisk timber]

I think it read it was somewhere of 380 m/s or above 400 even.
Im not sure tho

[royal horizon]

Im also getting sick of silenced vetterli rats, but whatever we do, rats will be rats and they will find a way

[royal horizon]

that might be a bit high, especially coming from a shortened rifle

[main portal]

I mean they could change it after the test server and see its a viable problem

[royal horizon]

they could yeah

viable solution

[main portal]

They buffed the lemat carbine and I legit think its fine

[royal horizon]

oooh

they did ?

they buffed RoF ?

[main portal]

increased fire rate and lowered recoil

[royal horizon]

noice

[main portal]

also fixed the iron sights alignment

[royal horizon]

it already has pretty shitty range, so a bit more RoF would be nice

[main portal]

so big changes on that for a gun that I felt was totally fine

[royal horizon]

THEY WERE OFF ?

[main portal]

yup

[royal horizon]

my god

[main portal]

I never noticed

[royal horizon]

top right instead of centered ?

[main portal]

and I was clapping people with it

[royal horizon]

I think I just got used to em

[main portal]

ya it seems to be, I honestly dont know which way

Same

also I think Ironside suffers from it too?

or that got debunked

[royal horizon]

maybe, I never noticed

[main portal]

Im happy tho that Pacts are coming back in the future

[royal horizon]

but the lemat offset hurt way less than the springfield one lul

[royal horizon]

that was a real nice mechanic

[main portal]

I was little bummed tho how people perceived my suggestion on the future of them but oh well not everyone can agree

[royal horizon]

can you link it to me ? I can't seem to find it

[main portal]

#game-ideas message

[royal horizon]

thanks

I see

the random trait idea is nice, but I don't know if it's the right way to fix the "oh shit, missed the cart" issue

[main portal]

idk I can see why tho cause people might think it'll enforce more camping and not make players go out to supply points to get their pacts but all it does is hurt the team with the objective more than the other players who will probably camp the supply point which I did alot of

[royal horizon]

i saw a shitton of supply camping during the event, really sickening

[main portal]

I look at it my pov of abusing players having to run and get their pacts even tho they did the objective it just takes power and incentive away from it

[royal horizon]

yeah

[main portal]

like also would benefit players wanting to player their specific hunters and would give the devs a cool little random flex to add fancy altars at boss compounds

randomly would be fine too so they dont just have inside the boss lair

or at least scrap would steal the pacts

I probably worded it wrong so players just saw it thought it would only enforced camping on the players with the objective but imo it only enforced it further cause after a while I legit just stopped leaving the lair after killing the boss to get my supply point unless I killed a team already

cause there was always a damn player nearby

[outer wedge]

LUNAR PACT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO xD if solo revive came back, relentless from Lunar Pact should be back as well... it creates more healthy pvp than solo revive, the fact that many of us can just continue for next fight after surviving the first pvp encounter even if u die, it was massive incentive for me to keep playing, now i just extract when i lose 1 bar.. witch is sad..

[brisk timber]

#feedback message
@fathom hinge
What you experienced is the trading mechanic + a good amount of lag.

What you see on your screen and what your enemy sees on his screen is not the same because you both have a latency between what you send and what you receive from Hunt server. This creates an information time gap - Hunt handles this gap by accepting the outcome of how both parties reacted to what was happening on their side.

The downside of this is that it can look funky with increasing ping and a wider time gap.

I book it down as some Wild West showdown where you both were the unfortunate ones.

[knotty ore]

Played like 80+ hours during event, didn't see it once. Not saying it didn't happen. Maybe because no one cared enough to camp it since everyone already had grounded and didn't really need to ever return to supply point.

[royal horizon]

I saw that a lot at the start of the event, mostly. Maybe after people learned how pacts worked camping wasn't that useful

[timid moss]

found a bug in the new tutorial lol

When you attack a water devil first time the learn text popup is for the Immolator.

[vagrant heart]

Whatc'hya think of my new idea? 😏

[median furnace]

go play fortnite

[vagrant heart]

I'm probably better than you at this game anyway 😏

[median furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/goodluck-luck-morganfreeman-lol-yeah-gif-4846975

[vagrant heart]

Plz dude. Quiet now. x)

[flat sandal]

oh so quests are literally like challenges? "coming soon" had me kinda hoping for more

imo both aren't really meaningful content. sometimes it mixes it up but having to worry about it gets annoying after a while

get on the test server they said^^

while I wait some feedback then. this type of content engages players for the wrong reasons imo. It works but is sort of making use of the dark side of the force. There have got to be things one can do with a similar amount of work involved which don't do that... right?

has a negative immersion factor for sure.

[wooden escarp]

has anyone found any saddles in the pts

[flat sandal]

meeee

[wooden escarp]

I've only found one on a wounded hourse but it had no loot

[flat sandal]

had a hitching post in lower desalle

and what are gator traps then?

[wooden escarp]

just boxes with hunt dollars

[wooden escarp]

one person in your team investigates them then everyone gets a random amount of $

sometimes none

lol

[flat sandal]

meh

ty

[latent shard]

centennial shorty needs more spare ammo! change my mind

[wooden escarp]

it has a good amount the issue just lies in people being too eager to use the suppressed one against things like horses and dog cages and whatever

so they end up with no ammo in a fight when it's their main gun for medium-long ranges

[next yarrow]

Centennial in general does

I don't want to play a gun with compact stats and long ammo count

[lethal shoal]

Wait what?

[next yarrow]

Burn gang out in force after the inferno event

[unborn dagger]

Sounds like a personal problem.

[outer wedge]

at this point, imo its just bad design, since they deviate more and more to a casual Hunt, its not just a personal problem, i witness it every time i play Hunt randoms

For me, Lunar Pact was just a better experience of Hunt..

[unborn dagger]

Still a personal problem. You have the option to engage and are running away because you lost one chunk.

[little jackal]

well, if it's a common personal problem, the game could nudge players in the right direction

I hate those situations where you get a read on all the teams and maneuver based on that info, but one team decides to extract because apparently they've lost a chunk or something

and your perfect plan goes to waste

I bet after 1.12 lands teams will suffer so much they'll accept anything to get a chance against bayou T-1000s

[frosty garnet]

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[low vapor]

how... do you make a suggestion?

[queen jungle]

Your post needs to start with

Title:

Description:

[low vapor]

Title: editable quick gear!

Description: rather then making it a struggle to buy the gear, then equip it, then set it up as a load out, make it so you can just edit the quick buy load out then save that.

like this?

[queen jungle]

More like this 🙂

Title: editable quick gear!

Description: rather then making it a struggle to buy the gear, then equip it, then set it up as a load out, make it so you can just edit the quick buy load out then save that.

[low vapor]

ahhhhhhh

wut

ah

ok

thanks guys

[queen jungle]

No problem

[low vapor]

@deep horizon
Title: Reduce match time

Description: please reduce the time of a match from 45 min to 30 min. there is no point waisting all that time. (this makes all the people who camp inside the boss lair with avto/shotgun for no reason till the end of the match go out quicker.)

this is not the best idea, and where els you gonna stay to fight?

[frosty garnet]

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[little jackal]

@queen jungle just don't prestige for that suggested 1 month period?

[queen jungle]

It's just painful to unlock everything for event

[little jackal]

ah

[frosty garnet]

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[brisk timber]

#game-ideas message
@sacred osprey
Such a good suggestion until you said "doesnt replenish on extraction" D: this is just too punishing

[hexed shale]

@noble solstice the damage values are measured at 10 meters, so the damage values for the short shotguns are correct

[noble solstice]

but they dont do 150 or more

[hexed shale]

at 10 meters some of the short shotguns dont do 150 damage

AT 10 METERS

notice that key phrase

[noble solstice]

i find that ironic considering the romero is the only handcannon with such range

in all seriousness, i would consider changing the dmg value so that it shows it varies, which i think they have planned for next update

[mellow osprey]

I’m so sick of loading in deaf! Fucking bull shit. I play with randoms a lot and it’s so unfair.

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[wooden escarp]

make krag sniper cycle time longer

shoots too fast

[night cradle]

Krag sniper should have the same cycle time as krag iron.

[knotty ore]

"Ping abuse is not a thing" is the official Crytek stance. Can you maybe reevaluate that as we are currently seeing an influx of players connecting to far away servers to get an advantage.

[unborn dagger]

@wintry comet I thought that was what they were going for at first when the billy questline happened and then they ruined it with the halloween event.

[night cradle]

"it's a double-edged sword" is their way of looking at it. I'm very tired of the trades and hyper fast left side peeks with foreign players.

[crystal plume]

Well left peek is fixed on the test server already and they already stated that they're looking into server side improvements which also includes looking at the trade window 😄

[night cradle]

all that's missing is a ping lock and we're set.

[crystal plume]

Not sure what you mean with a ping lock, we already have a ping limit and it's extremely unlikely that they would fully lock down any regions or such

[night cradle]

I mean i average 1 us based team a match on us servers, and the rest are chinese/korean players abusing the desync that only seems possible in this game with this hitreg.

This is the only fps that i can think of that has .8 seconds to trade between players. It's the only game i can think of that ping isn't a massive disadvantage in a gunfight. it's scuffed.

[knotty ore]

Its a double-edged sword in a sense that you can cut a MFer with both sides of it.

[onyx cypress]

Hey, I would like to give my opinion on the test server with version 1.12. I tried the new tutorial for beginners, and it's pretty good (I have 3500 hours of experience), but for the part where you need to revive your teammate, I think it's not completely clear what you have to do...

[crystal plume]

I've seen more than enough people instantly reviving their teammate who died next to them with no care for cover or anything for it to warrant a whole section in the tutorial that tells people to not do that

[onyx cypress]

i think like i said, this part need more detail just than "safe rez"

[hazy quartz]

the tutorial tells you by text and voice to block the line of sight though.

i didn't read the text instructions because i was busy looking for the shooter. but when he told me to block the line of sight i knew what to do.

[lilac jungle]

tutorial-wise, could be nice if it also taught you that you could bodyblock for poor cletus

closing a door aint shit since it can still be an easy wallbang

[hazy quartz]

yeah bodyblocking would be a good lesson indeed! Preventing Cletus from getting deletus

[lilac jungle]

if anyone is killing cletus, its yourself

not some sniper you can see the gunshot from but cant shoot him back for some reason

[undone star]

sorry if this is the wrong place but i've wrote the crytek support once and they needed a few days to answer. does anyone else encounter the problem that they have their maingame progress on the testservers? I prestiged the day before yesterday and dont have any of the new weapon variants...

[prime sierra]

I think muting Sound while you are dead should fix solo rev

I've got an honest question to everyone opposing self revive:
What about necro?

[little jackal]

preventing team necro implies actively pvp-ing - which we all came here for

preventing self-revive requires babysitting the body and that is just dull and tiresome

[small wren]

Necro self revives are straight hand holding for solo players. If you die solo, you should not be able to rez yourself. You knew the risks coming into the bayou solo.

[cedar helm]

the main thing i'm hoping for w the solo re-work is that all the ppl who aren't confident/skilled enough to play solo that currently just play as solos in random trio groups will actually just go and play by themselves.

[obsidian narwhal]

I dunno, I'm just binging forgotten weapons atm and now's as good of a time as ever to add that sort of weapons

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[brisk timber]

When you die in a team - why are others able to revive you? You're dead.
If you die, you should'nt have the ability to be resurrected.
You knew the risk coming in to the bayou.

You're gatekeeping.

Solo is first and foremost a way to play solo. Nothing more, nothing less.
It was there before even trios existed. Its not bound to be hardcore or more risky.