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[fluid dock]

#game-ideas message
would appreciate this getting some attention I believe its worthy of your time

[cedar gale]

Blame erdogan lol
The pricing discrepency isn't cyrteks issue, they are just folloeing steam guidelines. When the game came out steam guideline said 1 usd = 3 tl.
The guidelines have recently been updated with inflation and now 1 usd = 15 tl or so.
Be grateful that they havent retroactively increased prices on the older stuff.
https://steamdb.info/blog/valve-price-matrix-2022-update/

[fluid dock]

but the guideline is valves suggested price they dont have to follow it

[cedar gale]

Why would they sell their dlc 10 times cheaper in turkey than they do in europe

Its still half the price of eu price

[frosty garnet]

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I'd also recommend only getting one revive per match instead of however many life bars = number of revives.```

[fluid dock]

you should look at global pricing. turkey is an example but you can check steamdb pricing to see they've increased pricing too much recently

[cedar gale]

Lonely howl was 9.99€, reaper was 9.99€

[little carbon]

@dusk parcel a setting like that could also be abused. In cases like that it is sometimes better to have the game be inaccessible to some to maintain balance for the rest. Any kind of visualization of a sound effect could be used by players that can hear the sounds to gain an advantage.

There are ways to implement something like that if it's implemented in a way that a) if the average player activates it it's a detriment for them and b) even when learning that system information gained must not be better than with the standard system.

[dusk parcel]

there are software solutions for deaf people (sonic radar for example) and hardware also, it all works, the problem is to distinguish these sounds (this is well done in fortnite)

[little carbon]

Again the question is not whether such solutions exist but rather if they can be implemented without causing balance issues.

[jagged wagon]

@digital vessel Sadly, colour blindness is not something you can adapt...

[latent bobcat]

As a proud Xbox player we don’t associate ourselves with any of spectre lover’s ideas

[queen jungle]

"as proud Xbox Players" you have just proven to me that you are a proud member the scum of this game

[latent bobcat]

And you have proven to everyone that your suggestions are the single worst things ever put on the suggestion’s channel

[hexed shale]

the chain pistol already has been nerfed, it has god awful spread. if you got fanned by one, you just got unlucky

you can argue that it isnt a good design, which i might be liable to agree, but chain pistol isnt that good for fanning especially when the swift exists

also if they nerf it on console they will nerf it on PC, there isnt seperate balancing so have fun being angry about chain pistols

[latent bobcat]

The game shouldn’t solely be balanced around console anyways, it should be half and half

[hexed shale]

they should honestly patch console differently from PC anyhow

explosive ammo might actually be fun if console was balanced seperately

[atomic cipher]

@jagged wagon showing down the players throat is Cryteke's speciality lol. These are one of the more stubborn devs (or dev) that come up my mind. Just remember how long some stuff is the game that ppl are constantly complaining about.

[worthy knoll]

Absolutely. It cannot be that hard

[somber harbor]

Been posting on the Steam Forum but I guess noone reads that anymore. Trying here instead.
Owning the collector's edition I now have 50+ legendary hunter and cannot lvl them all up to lvl 50 since there's only 50 hunter slots.
Is there any "good" reason to why there's not more slots? It's basically 1-2 more lines of code.

[frosty garnet]

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Maybe it would be a good idea to fix the stupid reconnect feature, that seldom work and we you somtimes are able to reconnect, you cant move around at all```

[tranquil lichen]

The elo/rank system in this game makes 0 sense.

I'm solo 5 star player, and successfully extracted with the bounty 7 out of 9 times last night, clearing multiple duos each time, and getting 60-80 event points each match. Average match length was 23 minutes. Nothing changes to my hidden MMR much (+/- 30-50 per game, it's truly random btw), even when queuing as a solo into duos and winning against several teams with a 77.77% win ratio... Literally, even extracting with a bounty and getting 4 kills as a solo I lost 23 MMR points. How the F does that make any sense?! The rest of the lobby is filled with 5 star players, with usually one or two 4 star players paired with a 5 star.

The game's hard enough on solo's yet I gain basically nothing with a friggin' 77.77% win ratio over 9 games as a solo with skill-based enabled?!

I go and lose 3 in a row today (although killing at least 1 duo per game) and I get demoted from 5 star to 4 star... What a fuckin' joke.

[little carbon]

The primary userbase of Hunt is on PC, so if any it should be balanced around PC. However seperate balalancing or just enabling native mkb support on consoles would most likely improve the overall balance

@simple lily They should rather remove the ability to see teammates and preferably your own stats completely. That should reduce people playing passive for the sake of preserving stats

[hexed shale]

i have been told that MKB is already allowed without modding as is, its just frowned upon, though i might be mistaken

either way console players get mad butt hurt if you use mkb on their platform

[echo forum]

people don't play passive for stats, they do it to win. The game rewards passive play much more than aggressive play

[unborn smelt]

@faint loom maybe try a diffrent browser

[trail carbon]

So many people in 5 and 6 star lobbies will sit in a bush, kill one or two people, and then extract. It happens so often that I often have no contest after banishing the boss in 5 and 6 star lobbies. In 4 star lobbies, I always have people came and try to take the bounty from me. In 5 and 6 star lobbies, the boss isn't usually banished unless I do it myself because so many people just sit somewhere not doing anything.

So yes, people do absolutely play passively for stats.

[unborn smelt]

Works on chrome for me

or internet explorer

[faint loom]

i use chrome

[crystal plume]

Are you using some script blocking extensions?

[faint loom]

could ad blocker be problem?

[crystal plume]

I mean it works for me on chrome with ad blocker but maybe

[unborn smelt]

don't know - works even tho i have adblock for me

[faint loom]

Wow ok, removed ad blocker and it works

[unborn smelt]

@queen jungle that's propably a partial legshot, if you're lucky a partial lower torso hit

[queen jungle]

bro

[unborn smelt]

a legshot - espesially a partial one (baggy clothes or capes aren't hitbox)

[queen jungle]

ik it was kinda on the right side

but

[unborn smelt]

wil likely not kill

[queen jungle]

still

that was right into the mid

[unborn smelt]

I mean i can't be more clear than show you a screenshot of where your aim was where you even see the first frame of muzzleflash

Sure it feels bad if that happens - limb modifiers are a cruel mistress

And shotguns have especially bad legshot multipliers

[queen jungle]

yeah but i watched the clip many times and the hitmarker does come while it was still in the body was probably a bit to late with the shot

[crystal plume]

That's not how it works though

You look at the frame before the muzzle flash, that's where your shot went

You can turn around entirely depending on your sensitivity, distance to the enemy and delay before a hitmarker appears

[hexed shale]

is there a drop off chart for arrows?

[unborn smelt]

I don't think so - sadly there are not charts for everything

[echo forum]

they probably aren't do it for stats though, they're doing it to save their loadouts or because they don't feel like dying trying to go to the bounty as a solo. I play solo 99% of the time and it's rough facing a trio because most of the compounds have a max of 3 entrances. If I bring a shotgun I'll probably trade or it becomes an absolute slog of jump peeking and shoulder baiting to enter a compound. Sound is also fucked now so it's annoying getting surprised by someone that peeks the corner with 0 audio. I still do it, but I understand why others don't . Like I'm 1.9 K/D now and usually 5 star. When I solo I'm still getting teams of 5 star. I think revive timer needs to be doubled. It often doesn't even have sound anymore unless you're like 1 ft away.

[hexed shale]

[fluid dock]

I am talking about the new DLCs such as Frau Perchta where if you even look at the reviews everyone is saying its too expensive and its one of the only hunt DLC's with mostly negative reviews and that is due to their increased pricing. Compare a DLC like Frau Perchta to Legends of the bayou where they have a similar value in number of hunters and skins, and maybe in europe its only a 5€ increase however in other regions its as bad as being 10 times more expensive.
The picture is an example of the turkish region however same thing is also seen in other regions such as argentina etc (its a lot more regions than you think). its to the point where the game itself is cheaper than the Frau Perchta DLC which is insane to me.

[pulsar cradle]

You gotta stop people abusing QP to lower their MMR

[echo forum]

daily revert the sound post

[frosty garnet]

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Will there be a possible feature in the future to feel more the character you play the most? Like every character in the game has their quest to finish, or just simply show how much you played that character and have an icon on them on the lobby, to show that this is your main character. I know it sounds like there is no point, since your character dies, but I tend to play with only 1 character. I was just thinking it would be great to have that as an addition to Hunt Showdown.

I would love to feel that I own that character and display it to everybody that I main this certain character.```

[stray horizon]

yo everyone who keeps saying the lament carbine sight is off like that's how guns work. it's not where the front sight is it's where the intersection of the front sight and the back sights is. it's actually spot on if you imagine a line across the top of the back sight and then a perpendicular one up from the front sight, where they intersect is where your bullet goes that's literally how guns do it in real life

[signal mural]

@stoic matrix Yeah, that's unavoidable. However, it wouldn't save their Hunter because the progress of their health being burned would still be being tracked on the server. Once they reconnected they would get the match updates and see they were burnt out and ultimately lost their Hunter.

I guess in games where perma-death isn't a thing I tend to search for a justification. With 'Cheat-Death' I thought it would be the equivalence of someone from your Pact or a neutral scavenger finding your body in the aftermath, when the bounty is long claimed and the Hunters had moved on, just scavenging - dragging your near-lifeless body back to safety for a revival.

@stray horizon I totally agree with the night time Inferno.

[stray horizon]

it would be so pretty

and the light generated from the inferno around those areas would add a really cool dynamic to night maps

[frosty garnet]

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it would be awesome if there was a way to buy legendary hunter without any upgrade, cause its a RNG and most of the time it give me some upgrades that i dont like and so i should use BB to remove them .```

[queen jungle]

@fervent fiber The devs have in the past stated that they want to change the removal of traits to Hunt dollars. However, there is no ETA for this change yet.

[fervent fiber]

That's great , thanks.

[signal mural]

@spiral dust You know they did a poll specifically asking if there should be days with 100% chance for the Inferno, right? It would appear the Community that actually bothered to take part in the poll voiced an opinion oppositional to your statement.

[spiral dust]

Not interested in your opinion, lol

[signal mural]

Great discussion. Mine wasn't an opinion, yours was... hence the response. If you aren't interested in other people's opinions then you shouldn't be on an open forum.

The irony of someone named Dante complaining about the Inferno is really great, so despite your lack of social graces, thank you.

[queen jungle]

Please remain friendly with your fellow Hunters at all times. This channel specifically exists so others can comment on posts made in #game-ideas and #feedback

[frosty garnet]

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FREECAM AFTER DEATH
i need to be able to explore the part around the map where i died freely```

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Freecam after death in order to understand the intricacies of how you got killed e.g. where enemies did/can move```

[jagged wagon]

That’s fine, but not consistent with other guns if that’s the case. If we really going down the realism route then slug would kill 100m out, but s not balanced and fun for a video game. All I am asking for is consistency.

[stray horizon]

fair point. well I guess it's time to make slugs kill 100m out

[signal mural]

@rocky dirge I posted something similar before. Apparently you can change the saturation of the banners in the options. I haven't searched it out yet myself but it should be a good alternative to help stop that black banner blocking important details.

[crystal plume]

You mean opacity probably

[signal mural]

Yeah, my bad - headache blocking brain function.

[radiant river]

the poll had pretty limited options and was done after we'd only played 1 day of the inferno and lots of people hadnt played it

[unborn dagger]

Honestly it's a pretty weak poll

Never letting us explain why

[valid ingot]

you do realize there was another poll that asked about it too after weeks of inferno maps?

[elfin plover]

This has probably been talked about somewhere, but it seems they've added more animations to the dark tribute, can these be skipped somehow other than clicking 'back'? It's such a hassle when you have to do 4 in a row.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah they should add an option to do all at once

[crystal plume]

There were 2 polls

[radiant river]

have they made any changes based on the second one yet?

[crystal plume]

They already announced how it will be yeah

[radiant river]

i was reading the old message in #1052338285084688465 but i guess it was edited

[stray horizon]

i mean they can't read all those they're just averaging the math

[tribal wyvern]

@outer wedge
Im genuinly curious now, what goes through peoples heads when they just outright demand removing things.

Do you REALLY think they'll do it? Read your comment and be like "shit, aight guys we gotta remove it, Billy here demands it."
I guess it's a way to show you don't like something, but I think "I do not like this feature" sounds better than just demanding devs to remove stuff 😄

[outer wedge]

ofc they will not remove it. dude.. its just so frustrating playing that game mode that some of the frustration is vented as a comment !

Thing i will never comprehend is, hunt is a pvp game, and they always make pve decisions, being not able to hear or see is so much fcking fun..

Also they had 4 contracts and gave the players the CHOICE of playing witch type of day they wanted/liked with 3k player base, and now during the Events they could do a extra contract rotating day only or night only, and satiate players, but no.. just play another shity mode that you can't see 50meters away

[tribal wyvern]

Wasn't out with scrapbeak afaik. Thats when i started playing.
But with 3 bosses ye.

But I mean the reason to get people to fight is the pve.
And the environment changing makes the replayability.

Or well the replayability is the pvp.
But changing the environment helps

[outer wedge]

Regarding your curiosity about my comment, yes, its a dumb comment, and i'm not demanding anything, the thing is, most of the "rage" comments here, are coming strait after a frustrated situation ingame, stupid dead/situation that was unpleasant and builds over time..

I know they can't please all types of players, but i loved when i actually could chose my loadout based on the contract i wanted to play, i'm a 1 boss day only kind of player, funneling all players to 1 spot so chaos breaks lose.

For me repeatability is the pvp, rotating on different compounds, the pve part of the game is excessive at times like killing 30 grunts per game, or being unable to see because fog its too thick or even night time it just unpleasant, (except killing the boss for the bounty that is actually the goal), i dislike everything that messes up with my Hunt for players.

[tribal wyvern]

But the unpredictable weather makes it more interesting.
If you always know the exact weather, exact boss, exact amount of bosses. That becomes dull very quickly.
Fine for one day & then you'll get bored off it.

Even knowing that someone could camp a bush anywhere, makes it interesting & scary.
If you always know it's safe like always knowing the boss or amount, then it's just predictable and boring.

[outer wedge]

Well, i guess i don't like the extra spice i guess.. i fine with just salt on my steak.

[supple geyser]

Just curious, what is the reason for the crosshair not being centered on the screen?

[queen jungle]

It's a game design decision. The advantage of that placement is that your gun blocks less of your screen and it makes it easier to spot things going on above you, e. g. in buildings since the ground occupies less of your screen.

[vale cedar]

everyone seems to hate inferno but imo its way better than the base map

[unborn dagger]

I think it's better too, community in Hunt is such a travesty at times that we can't have fun stuff like inferno or night maps

[wary hinge]

tbh i think that most people just dislike how common it is

if it was a rarer thing (like wildcards really should be) it would probably be more liked

like a 1 in 25 chance to get a wildcard but if you win with it you get some bonus, similar to solo bonus or something would be nice

[unborn dagger]

I prefer it to be 50-50, I like both and I'm incredibly tired of playing on day maps. So unbelievably stale.

[wary hinge]

ide rather night maps, along with past daytimes to be brought back

and made more common

[worthy knoll]

I Just want contracts so in the days where I'm a disgusting Mosin Cain I dont have to immediatly extract because Fog

[wary hinge]

that would be nice as well

[unborn dagger]

It would be ambitious for Crytek to add in a dynamic day night cycle

But it would be perfect

[sinful rain]

Hey guys, I just got kicked out of a game, but the game didn't crash, the connection wasn't lost and the round ws not about to end yet. I lost my hunter, even though I had the perk "death cheat" and enougth event marks. The end screen said I didn't extract in time, but there was about 30 Minutes left, I had the bounty and just killed the second boss. There was also no countdown of the last 5 minutes. I lost 2 bounties, as I was the last survivor and a hunter that would have been level 50 after the match. What am I supposed to do now?

[worthy knoll]

That sucks!!!
But unfortunatly, the Death Cheat Perk does Not Trigger when you "die to timeout". And it seems the Game has somehow concluded that the Game Ended because time Ran Out.

[hot vigil]

Did you happen to play solo? and did you necro yourself?

[proud narwhal]

@dull prawn i really really like your ideas for the flare types

I've wanted for a while now to provide an actual tactical use to flareguns aside from lighting barrels and setting armourd/ hives on fire

I think being able to saturate an area with the splitter flare or land a killing blow with the combat flare are amazing ideas

Just like how the derringer can provide an advantage with its fast firerate, it's very situational but very fight-winning

[sinful rain]

That is unfortunate, but doesn't explain why the round all off a sudden stopped.

[sinful rain]

Yes, I did once in that match.

[hot vigil]

Was that a trade? Bc if you are the last two people who trades and you necro yourself the games goes into a state of "everyones dead, better end the match" as far I understand.

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I have a suggestion for the game. I have 4k hours and obsoletely love it. Still do, but I would like the option in the settings to disable the popups of bounty carriers names and the compound names appearing when you enter the territory of it.```

[sinful rain]

No, it wasn't a trade and after I necro'ed myself I killed 3 more hunters.

[hot vigil]

Hm okay, then I am at a loss for what it could be. Sorry I can't be of any help then :v

[sinful rain]

Yeah, I got about 2k hours in Hunt and never had this happen once. Thank you anyway!

[worthy knoll]

True

[chilly nova]

Wait, why'd this get deleted? I agree with this so so hard. The messages that cover my map are very disruptive.

These discord channels have such overlapping purposes and are quite tedious. I get it, you want us to write your Jira stories for you, but the good ideas like this never get acted on anyway. It's like yelling into a canyon.

[unborn sandal]

It got deleted because it didn’t have a title and then a description. The bot will never delete due to content, only format. Mods sometimes delete based on content

[unborn dagger]

^

[queen jungle]

@keen silo yes, just not with blood bonds

[keen silo]

then it won't make much sense for developers) the main thing is not to overstate the price. 50bb can be obtained in 5-6 games

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[little carbon]

Most importantly it removes head glitching, since it's the only type of placement were bullet origin, camera, crosshair and weapon aren't misaligned

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Movement could feel A LOT more crisp and athletic. Right now it feels like the hunters are 140kg with a jog for sprint, jumping about 30cm high, cant grab onto anything...feels like a fat person simulator.```

[worthy knoll]

When they want to Change trait reupgrade and gun Cleaning to Hunt Dollars this should Not cost BBs

[fluid locust]

They're changing it in the near future actually. They announced it sometime back. It's going to cost hunt dollars

[worthy knoll]

I know, its what I was referin to.

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Combined Passive Traits 

The idea is that when you have 3 specific Skills you unlock a skill you can pick up it costs Zero Points but require a free trait slot 

as an example :
Bulletgrubber,  Packmule, and Iron Sharpshooter* to unload Bullets from your Lebel 

Serpent, Necro, and Vulture for Looting Death Hunters from a short distance**

Vulture, Necro, and Packmule to see Death Hunter in a Short distance**

Hunters should pick only one Passive Trait 


*  or any other Weapon Trait for a specific type of Ammo/Guns
   Ambidextrous need a change so it can also work for Pistols

** not more than 10m```

[unborn dagger]

It sure is taking them a long time to change something rather miniscule.

[hardy coral]

Avto is actually balanced tbh. Shotguns and other close range options still kill faster than it (as in one shot) and at mid range it's not consistent enough and at long range it's obviously laughable. To get proper ammo reserve with it you need quartermaster and to give up having a secondary at all with dual sparks pistols that have basically no combat use.

It excels between 15-40 metres though, and I'm fine with that.

[queen jungle]

@latent bobcat yes but as medium ammo

[late wind]

The avto being considered "OP" is purely the result of having a single shot long ammo pistol that can be used as a bandolier. Which I predicted would be the result since people started begging for one.

[bronze quail]

3 full magazines

You can spray like Omaha beach

[queen jungle]

The avto will always be the default weapon people complain about being too OP when there is nothing else. Means most other weapons must be in a good state

[bronze quail]

Cause atm everything is decently balanced

And when everything is balanced people starts playing the only remaining op weapons

[queen jungle]

Yeah

I call it the "avto default"

avto will always be op in the eyes of somebody

[tight delta]

Oh god, I hate Avto. It's the spam aspect that makes it such a miserable thing to play against. Been seeing a lot more Avto usage too after the Sparks pistol got released.

[bronze quail]

But it does not change the problem that avto is still broken, the only thing that changed is that atm is not overshadowed by other broken weapons like a few patches ago

[tight delta]

Avto could be perceived as being OP due to being OP, not necessarily because people don't have anything else to complaint against.

[burnt mulch]

complaints about something being OP is really a very minor indication that something is problematic.

I still get people trying to convince me that dualies are broken

[late wind]

Dualies are broken though.

[burnt mulch]

see what I mean?

[tight delta]

People complaining about non-issues does not invalidate complaints made about issues.

Besides, it's not the fact that somebody complained about thing X that should be looked at too closely, it's the arguments behind the complaint.

[unborn dagger]

I mean avto is still broken, it's a gun that isn't for something like Hunt and goes against the core gameplay.

[burnt mulch]

sure. real issues will cause complaints.
but complaints doesn't mean there's a real issue.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you here.

I don't think avto is broken, I think it's a weapon that is powerful in its own way but comes with its own unique drawbacks.

[late wind]

There's several aspects that "go against the core gameplay". Why draw the line at the avto?

[tight delta]

I'm not sure if the line should be drawn at auto per se, but it sure is on the other side of the line regardless where it gets drawn 😄

[burnt mulch]

that's a matter of opinion. I think it fits fine.

[bronze quail]

It's fine on super low elos where people use it like a shotgun firing from the hip

Not on high elos where people can tag up to 50m, can move and can spray the shit out of everyone

Avto, dual sparks pistols, 2 ammo boxes and let's go

[tight delta]

That's a good point, that the experience with certain weapons / strats etc. is not the same across the board. I see a lot of Avtomats in high-5* / 6*, and I mean a lot.

[burnt mulch]

and they've sacrificed their secondary and 2 utility consumable slots for a powerful weapon that still has significant drawbacks.

as well as quartermaster

[bronze quail]

You don't need consumables and a secondary slot when you know how to play

I have like 1mln, and 10k bb, i can run whatever i want everytime

[burnt mulch]

I said nothing about price, though price is a way to soft-enforce rarity.

[bronze quail]

And who cares about frag bombs or other stuff when i can just play cod mode and wipe a team in like 30 seconds

[tight delta]

It's the most oppressive weapon there currently is in the game, capable of spamming an insane amount of mosin-shots reliably up to mid range. The ammo synergies and consumables allow you to have an access to a huge amount of reserves, and you reload the weapon with stripper clips. Other extremely high-end weapons like Dolch and Nitro use special ammo, limiting their reserves severely.

The price is a non-issue to players who do not prestige, and play a lot. The kinds you usually see in the higher ELO brackets 😅

[bronze quail]

I mean, when you learn how to control the spray (and is dumb easy) you can literally do everything only playing with avto

[tight delta]

I do use it myself whenever I get my hands on one, and I do get a lot of kills with it too by spamming. Without ammo synergies, you couldn't exclusively spam it to fish out easy kills.

[bronze quail]

Everytime i play avto is like playing easy mode, only sometimes you get stuck on long range fights, but almost everytime there is a way to push a sniper

[burnt mulch]

I mean, there's nothing I can really say to change either of your minds. this isn't an objective evaluation by any means, it's just "i feel"

[bronze quail]

Man i play a lot of avtomat and i win almost every match with it, it's not an opinion, it's a fact that that gun on good hands is broken af (I'm not even the best player of my group of friends)

I can understand that probably on your bracket is a pretty useless weapon, but against people with thousand of hours it becomes op

[burnt mulch]

dress it up as much as you want, it's still an opinion, unless you can point to the stat on the gun that measures how broken it is.

"probably on your bracket" ok dude

[bronze quail]

If you are saying that it has significant drawbacks is pretty clear that you never had to play against someone who knows how to use it

[burnt mulch]

so now we're just making assumptions

[tight delta]

I outlined some of the stats in my comment above. Long-ammo mosin bullet, high firerate, huge reserves, fast reload.

[bronze quail]

Imagine a full auto weapon, firing the strongest bullet of the game, that can be run with 5 full megazines, double tap pretty easily up to 60m and blast everyone under 40m

And calling it weak

[burnt mulch]

who called it weak?

your strawman needs more hay

[bronze quail]

And still thinking that is not way more powerful than every other weapon

The only weapon that can compete pretty fairly against an avto is a nitro or a KD farmer crouched on a bush 300m away with Spitzer

[radiant river]

I dont think I've ever needed more than 1 ammo box with avto

Even for full lobby wipes

[radiant river]

The RPM

• mag size + damage

[burnt mulch]

mm yeah no.
avto comes with disadvantages that can't be compared 1:1 with its advantages. How good is RPM? how much mag size is broken? how do you evaluate the loss of pinpoint accuracy or secondary?

turning stats into an evaluation of how strong a gun is, is by definition an opinion-based conversion.

you can say "but look, many people agree with me, therefore it's more likely to be true", but we could scroll up and pretty clearly see people have the opposite opinion as well.

not to mention the bias in a feedback section to complain about status quo.
certainly the people strongly unsatisfied with the way things are will be more active in a feedback channel.

[unborn dagger]

Exactly, why does Nitro and Dolch get their ammo turned to special and not avto like what is that logic lol

[radiant river]

Ok

So you just asked for stats, and said any argument without stats is just an opinion

Then gave a bunch of reasons why the stats I gave were just opinions

I'm a decent 1.6kda 5 star player but when I use avto I have like a 3kd and feel unstoppable

Every fight from 10 - 50m is a free win if you have decent movement. Even if technically someone can win the 1v1 because of unlucky spread, after someone shoots their first shot they're not repeeking just to rely on rng

The ONLY bad stat the avto has is the spread. Every other stat is either best or close to best in the game

It is also one of the easier guns to use, unlike nitro.

[burnt mulch]

I asked for a stat that said how broken the gun was, which I know doesn't exist. it was rhetorical.

"this gun is 70 broken while this other gun is 34 broken"

I have nothing against the opinion that the avto is broken and too strong.

however, I don't share that opinion, and it chafes me if you try to pass it off as fact

that's all I've been trying to say from the beginning.

[radiant river]

What do you think makes it balanced

[tight delta]

The ability to keep pressure with a single gun for extended period of time is huge! Last time I got to use Avto was couple days ago at Scupper, where I hosed down 2 out of 3 people through the thin wooden walls at the ground level. Never mind the two people were pushing me, I just could spam them down, force them inside, and keep spamming to kill them, lol.

Most other spammy weapons tend to come with more severe downsides, like dualies or lever action weapons.

[burnt mulch]

lack of accuracy, forced 3-round burst, and ammo economy are the downsides of the gun.
while strong, I don't feel like the avto warps the game around it in an unhealthy way.

[radiant river]

Ammo economy is completely subverted by dual sparks

[hardy coral]

Still, the sparks pistols just make it more economical to run and they are about as worthless in combat as dual uppercuts.

The sparks pistol is the problem, not any of the weapons really.

The Krag is only good cus of the sparks pistol

Because the "balance" on it is stupid

[burnt mulch]

dual sparks doesn't do anything that dual uppercuts didn't do, except you don't have to empty them.
all it does is make them quiet from the start of the round.

[hardy coral]

It's cheaper and you get better pickup

Because they have a larger reserve

[radiant river]

I agree dual uppercuts is insane too

[hardy coral]

But still, the issue isn't the avto it's the sparks pistol giving lots of reserve.
Uppercuts now are much more expensive and emptying them does matter.

[radiant river]

Sparks pistols just popularized it, I don't think they're much stronger

[burnt mulch]

I mean, the krag has inherent synergy with the sparks pistol outside of ammo sharing. It provides a 125+ damage oneshot for downedx1 hunters.

[hardy coral]

But nobody is going to try and play a long ammo rifle with only 12 shots and awful pickup that in a couple circumstances may require 3 shots instead of 2. You can comfortably run the others without a long ammo sidearm.

[burnt mulch]

speak for yourself shrugs I've been doing it.

[tight delta]

Automod sucks ass. Smooth brain is on the banlist?

[hardy coral]

Difficult to fix this tbh without adding an extra attribute to certain weapons so they don't give their full reserve pool with certain other weapons.

[burnt mulch]

a lot of stuff is on the banlist.

[tight delta]

I just wanted to say that I'm not sure if Krag is only good due to ammo synergy with Sparks pistol, or I'm just a smooth brain not to notice the downsides most of the time either due to dying early or somehow managing ammo enough not to run out, hehe.

[burnt mulch]

try to say "if a 6star got killed by a 3star" except with * instead of star

[hardy coral]

It's currently a bit too strong even without the sparks pistol because the damage is still too high

It should deal 110-115 but get a small buff to 6+9 ammo

[burnt mulch]

what exactly would that change that would make it weaker?

[hardy coral]

Shorter effective range for 2 shot body shots, make combinations of limb shots and bodyshots less effective.

[burnt mulch]

and if it was changed to that, why would I bring it instead of a centennial?

[hardy coral]

Force you to play a little closer and be more accurate to get that 2 shot kill.

[hardy coral]

Because it has long ammo pen and falloff.

[unborn sandal]

I think it’s balanced well right now. The only reason people are using it is because it’s the event and it’s available from bloodline 0

[hardy coral]

Cent can approach it with FMJ but that cuts the velocity and it still isn't as good.

[burnt mulch]

it cuts the velocity to 490.

[hardy coral]

480

[burnt mulch]

ok 480. sue me

[hardy coral]

It should do it a little more tbh, it is a strong weapon.

But with the low reserve (Not total) you need a medium pistol with FMJ

[burnt mulch]

ngl, this is the first time I've heard someone say that the fmj cent should get a nerf.

[hardy coral]

It's absolutely insane

I basically only use it

I'd switch to Krag but the iron sights are awful for me

Much prefer the thick ones you get on the cent, lebel, conversion pistol.

[unborn sandal]

Now you’re just speaking in tongues

Everything you were saying earlier I could somewhat believe

[hardy coral]

Works much better for me, if your target is covered by the front post then you're gonna hit them

[unborn sandal]

That’s not how it works

[hardy coral]

That's how it works for me

[burnt mulch]

welp sights are pretty much preference

[hardy coral]

I can't make the thin posts work, I hit more shots with a vandal than a regular winnie. Same with an obrez compared to a regular mosin.

[burnt mulch]

fwiw I actually do like the lebel sights better than mosin

[unborn sandal]

But the lebel irons have a problem that’s been addressed in this channel multiple times and mans just said he preferred them over Krag

[hardy coral]

What is the problem?

[burnt mulch]

I mean sure. he's entitled to his opinion.

I can stare at him weird for it but, y'know, whatever works.

[unborn sandal]

It’s incredibly difficult to see with them, to put it simply

At longer ranges to hit your target you won’t even be able to see them

[burnt mulch]

shrugs and that's your opinion.

[hardy coral]

I still manage it, there can be a few issues with exact precision but in my experience that helps because you shoot earlier and don't over correct.

Winnie cent FMJ is almost busted btw.
480 M/S
Second fastest firing rifle
84 metre two shot bodyshot
207 bucks

The downside is you have to run a spitfire/pax/swift with FMJ in the second slot you'll barely ever use just for the ammo.

Guess with death cheat you can afford to run fanning.

[soft river]

123 damage

I use cent fmj all the time but it is no where near busted

also fastest would be avtomat but I get you mean manual fire

as it would be avtomat, officer carbine, then everything else

[hardy coral]

123 damage doesn't come into play enough for me to notice, the way you can keep the initiative with the firepower stops revives in my experience.

[unborn dagger]

Yeah I don't know what it is but I aim better with fatter sights than needle sights

[pseudo peak]

@low sage your art is horrifying lol I love it, makes me think of what would happen if someone got stung by a Hunt version of one of those spider wasps that paralyzes it’s prey and liquidizes their guts lol hardcore

[stray horizon]

i fucking love the krag tho, especially with iron sharpshooter

and then I do a spark pistol and a derringer

[ivory crater]

This is just so true!

I hate the needle sights and love the thick sights

[ivory crater]

The only thing keeping me from running FMJ is losing the MV
600MV cent is a head clicker for me

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[worthy knoll]

@ivory crater good idea for making Infernal viable!!!

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[tribal wyvern]

What is this "minutes" mean?
That for 10 minutes it will bubble like crazy then for the rest not so much?

I mean it's a pretty cool idea ngl

[raw glen]

Title: It should not be possible to get challenges that are locked behind bloodline rank
Details: I got a challenge to do damage with spitzert ammo when i am only rank 20, the first weapon that even has spitzer ammo is the berthier at lvl 48
I can understand incendiary or high velocity ammo since those you can unlock right away at rank 1 on the winfield
Having to play a lot to first unlock a weapon to then play more with it to then unlock the ammo to actually attempt the challenge, for most people it's faster to just wait a day for the reshuffle

[placid valley]

it means that from the time of his death and for the next 10 minutes the bubbles would be frequent because its a fresh death but after 10 minutes if will start to face away to less frequent bubbles while if he dies on the ground its the opposite, less flies 1st and later more flies

[torpid rivet]

How is possible for this two premade team of 6 stars that make almost 6 stars together to be in the same match of a 3,5 stars MMR (WITH the Skill base turned on)

[karmic ivy]

what region is that?

[torpid rivet]

LATAM

[karmic ivy]

I have heard if your regional game population is low 5.5 stars can match with 3.5. The usual difference is 1 star here on US servers.

[unborn coyote]

take the goddam machine gun out the game

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[vast geyser]

I second that.

[worthy knoll]

Nah i Like the Idea although i neither Play or Encounter it

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[pine lagoon]

Why this game too bad optimizion? Look at my GPU usage, only 40~50%. I use RTX 3070 + I5 10400F + 16gb 2666mhz. Other game not like that.

[craggy slate]

cpu issue

had to upgrade to play the game

[alpine gust]

Finally fixed stutter. I wish Crytek will implement this. This is the setting I use for my 175hz 1440p Ultrawide to reduce 99% stutter. I am hoping instead of having 144 FPS limit, it should be changed to a slider, or another value at 165, 175 etc. After 144 FPS CAP, they next is 180 which is over my Gsync Range. Forcing me to CAP fps in Nvidia Seems to produce stutter if I want to go over 144. There is plenty of horse power left in my GPU but unlocking the frames using with Vsync or using FPS cap in Nvidia seems a bad idea. Frame time is included for reference. https://youtu.be/0HajuQ4__Aw

[worthy knoll]

@crystal latch

Thats easy. Crytek Gates clear "Sniper Lines". Its deliberate. The posotions that would ne great for sniping usually have a Bush or some tree-arms blocking Line of sight. Its really artificial.

[crystal latch]

@worthy knoll I've found it extremely easy to manipulate especially in trios places that shouldn't be reachable using a ledge to balance on a teammate to take sparks shots at people that shouldn't be getting hit from that Crack or hole that I was peaking through. Now imagine your a solo wouldn't it be nice if you had a slight advantage if you were in cover to just jump on a ledge whether that's a shelf or a chair to see through something that is just barely out of reach from the ground I get balancing and stuff but at the same time if you have the better position you deserve the upper hand.

And I don't want them to just let you shoot across the map I just mean compound engagements

[worthy knoll]

The thing for me is Just that it feels unnatural that Just councidentally the View from this hunting Tower is obtructed by some tree leaves.
Its Just that a Lot of the time, Classic elevated positions are Not as good as you would think they are. Which is weird.

[crystal latch]

Yeah I mean I get the balancing thing but at the same time you can't tempt us with a tower than make it useless.

@worthy knoll and crytek is great at being like here is a high place but you can't do anything with it. I find it amusing but annoying.

[worthy knoll]

Exactly, its Sniper blue balling. "Look at that nice Sniper Spot, would be a shame If a tree blocked your View into the compound". Its really annyoing^^

[signal mural]

@surreal python New weapons during an Event is great. Everyone who plays has equal chance to unlock them and they aren't figured into the Weapon Progression system yet. That means these new guns stay available to Hunters even after they prestige and allows for a lot of data collection from real standard play before finding their spot in the Weapon Progression system. No one is being prevented from using these weapons.

[karmic ivy]

@karmic bear The game's servers are performing great for the year and a half I have been here, better than most. What do you want them to fix?
Also they use scaling. They scale to the demand.

[tribal ore]

Shotguns are imposible to play atm

most of the time you need 2 to 3 hits,

the distanc play absoultly no role

and the servers are complete crap atm

package loss of death, signal lost 2 - 3 times per Round,

[little carbon]

Those positions are still powerful though, they just made sure that they aren't universally good but situationally powerful

@warm zephyr it does have a reason to exist, and it's easy to avoid. Just play with the people you get

@autumn coral you do already get second chances at the skins. They usually have the skins of the previous events as a blood bond bundle while an event of the same type is going on

[autumn coral]

I never saw serpent or traitor moon bundle 😦

[signal mural]

Those events were too recent to be reprised already.

[warm zephyr]

people that play from 100m and wouldn't play as a team... yeah right

[little carbon]

You cannot know that before you play with them. Not everyone picking a sniper plays long range or ignores their team.
And even if, playing with randoms you shouldnt be able to be picky about teammates. Thats part of the reason why randoms get easier games

[signal mural]

@delicate badge Yeah, learning to play Hunt with a veteran on your team is just asking for the School of Hardknocks education. I started playing with an old friend who was in the game since EA. He was MMR4 and got me & another friend new into the game. I didn't realize till much later that the MMR system was punishing us for playing with him, not to mention Trios allows a larger range of acceptable MMR compilations into the match making. I think I had a 0.5KDA for a long time before I started playing more QP, Solo Bounty, and honestly practicing with different guns and warming up while waiting for friends by playing trials.

I would suggest not playing with them often at first but encouraging them to do duos and Solos to find their way into the game and have fun with it. Some YouTube tutorials are actually helpful too. A coworker buddy of mine just got into the game & didn't understand the muzzle velocity concept of leading your shots until I broke it down for him.

[delicate badge]

That might be acceptable for my gamer friends but in the case of my girlfriend she works all week and comes home on the weekends. We get a few hours together to game so she's going to want to play with me not alone for weeks/months.

I get I have 3k hours and the game is going to try and find people for me. But she has 30 deaths and 0 kills in the 15 hours she's played. Just wish they actually let her drop to 1-2 stars so I could at least point out other newbie players to send her after. (I can usually tell)

[warm zephyr]

except they're easy to spot.

You do you. I have a right to choose my teammates and shouldn't be penalised for it

[karmic ivy]

That is unfortunate, but it is unfixable. If they let players with your skill level into matches with opponents that low, it would not be fair anymore. Fairness is the reason we have a match making system to begin with, so any solution has to yield a fair match. Liamtranzig has pointed out the best solution I can think of. It won't take her too long, and you can be right there watching right? so you can coach her along in real time perhaps?

[hardy coral]

Operation Health didn't even work that's why it's a such a meme.
There's no glaringly broken things with Hunt honestly and the bug fixes and stability improvements at this current schedule are fine. Some things could use a consistency pass but that's more about game balance.

[little carbon]

I mean I would agree counting a lack of chokes (or spitzer, but you basically don't see that anyways) concerning, but besides that how could you possibly infer anything about their Playstyle from their loadout? I am genuinely interested in what qualities you judge that by.

And yes you have a right to choose your teammates, that's why there is a lobby and you aren't just queued into a match. But there is also reason in not allowing cherry picking with random squads, especially when from a developer standpoint. The quality of random squads should be kept consistent so that matchmaking stays fair.

[warm zephyr]

except, the quality of random squads arent consistent

[little carbon]

@signal mural audio profiles are kept simple so that sounds stay distinguishable. While more diverse profiles might be good for immersion they are detrimental to the "clean-ness" of the audio system

[warm zephyr]

also I play in asia servers, people really run when they think they are outmatched ,leaving teammates

[little carbon]

I get that that is annoying but again that's not something you can tell from the lobby

*most of the times, with some glaring exceptions, like missing chokes

But those loadouts are uncommon enough iirc that you shouldn't need more than 1 lobby skip

[warm zephyr]

Right. this is where we agree to disagree. Though I might add that randoms are already handicapped from communication, so having compatible loadouts are crucial to having a decent chance against possibly teams in vc

that's the thing

the cooldown doesn't reset after a match

you keep running into players running obv incompatible loadouts and you have to suffer

[little carbon]

I mean, what's incompatible, i think besides 3x sniper or 3x shotgun any combination is good enough to cover most ranges. And even the 3x loadouts can work, they'll just have a higher chance to lead to stalemates

[warm zephyr]

double bows

no consumables

dual dualies

[little carbon]

I'd agree on that, but how often do you actually see non-loadouts?

Are they that common?

[warm zephyr]

common enough

[little carbon]

I mean that's kinda sad. I really do believe anyone with more than 10 hours in the game should be able to at least understand what loadouts are definitive non-loadouts.

[warm zephyr]

also

they're like

miles away

im in SEA

[little carbon]

Maybe some kind of algorithm that flags lobbies with people playing "suspicious" loadouts that allow leaving without penalty would help

[warm zephyr]

they're in china

Matchmaking needs rework top to bottom

people that tend to bush should have a hidden tag

[tribal wyvern]

@delicate badge
Just play on a new account honestly if you gonna introduce multiple people.
You're taking them from facing only lvl 0-99 to facing literally anyone who can have any range of playtime.

You're basically giving them a bad introduction by putting them in games with way out of their league players immediatly.

I realised that misstake myself playing with a friend.
He got way to stressed out bout the game & left. And i was 5 star.

And the guy used to be a competitive cs player.
Was top 3 team in his country.

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[hardy coral]

Frag bombs are sorta balanced now, it's just how weak the dynamites are comparatively.
Also, remove flash bomb instead.

[unborn dagger]

I just wish frags would have a weaker effect on bleed if you were behind a wall

[signal mural]

Yeah, I can understand that but I think even if new tones were added they'd be easily distinguishable compared to all the AI and environmental sounds. Hunt has a lot of cool subtle nuances... I think with good balanced audio profiles this could be one more and quite immersive. I don't think every character needs a unique voice pitch/tone but when I wall-bang or grenade an unknown enemy I definitely report if they are Male or Female for my team to know what to look for.

But who am I kidding, since the audio rework for underground sounds this game's audio has been wonky... I get loads of audio cues that just die-off midway.

[unborn sandal]

@warm zephyr It’s to stop people from leaving if they don’t find someone that fits exactly what they’re looking for. If that didn’t exist low mmr/k/d players would never get teammates. It’s definitely not perfect but if it were shorter those players would get quit on constantly and if it were longer no one would use the find a partner system

[delicate badge]

Hadn't considered this. Despite having Steam for a decade I have always just had the 1 account lol.

[fickle fractal]

Hello everybody. What's your experience with hitreg?

Today I just had the worst. Headshot on a barely moving target with sniper from 30m. Not registering. Same target, dead center followup shot, no obstacles inbetween. Not registering. A few others over the day. Even a shot at a dog cage lamp that was calm and well aimed - not registering.

This is really frustrating. I really should record that stuff... Anyone feeling the same?

[dim heron]

If you happen to have a recording it would help the team look into it

[fickle fractal]

I'd really love to have a recording of todays games. But sadly I have bad performance then due to cheap GPU.

I had a situation once in Golden Acres, where I shot a meathead 3m away with a Berthier through that dog cage over there, not even metal sheets, only 2 wire-mesh fences. But only every 2nd shot actually hit. 20 shots didn't bring that fat thing down.
Maybe that helps some to narrow it down?

[dim heron]

No worries, sorry you had some rough games. If you can ever get a clip (even from friends perspective) please shoot it over ☺️

[fickle fractal]

I will! I have the feeling I'm gonna record tomorrow... Well, thx for listening.

[warm zephyr]

easy. stop counting k/d. it’s unfair and outrageous for the cooldown to be so long

[unborn sandal]

I think the minute cooldown is an easier fix than changing how the hunt community thinks about mmr. Why are you quitting groups and getting the cooldown, huh?

@near saddle 124 damage is the balance. It’s only good on the hands of a good player, but the same can be argued about literally any gun

[near saddle]

It could be 100 damage for all its worth. Doesn't really matter when you can spam with long ammo at a fast fire rate with nearly endless ammo. The penetration and muzzle velocity of long ammo with the ammo pool of a Winfield is pretty nuts.

[warm zephyr]

Just because it's easier doesn't make it better. I quit groups because of perceived playstyle. If they don't look to be compatible with mine I should have the right to quit without being penalised.

[fleet pier]

Crytek should definitely crack down on the usage of reshade. There’s no way it isn’t cheating.

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[native orbit]

I hope the server doesn't force shut down even if everyone on the server goes down during the event.
I downloaded everything and revived as a necromancer, but the server was shut down so I couldn't get a character with a death cheat and a reward.

[little carbon]

Currently crytek (officially) tolerates reshade, they have stated though that that may change. But considering that you can get most of the effects of reshade that people complain about in context of reshade, like being able to see at night, with just a good monitor, it's unlikely.
I have never used reshade, but I can still see as if it were day in a night match.
At least with reshade people can get that effect without having to pay for a good monitor.
And things like being able to zoom in with iron sights can be achieved with code that doesn't interact with cryteks property at all and therefore lies outside any legal claim to even detect software like that

[worthy knoll]

Agreed. Watched a YouTuber and realized He used Reshade. Gamelooked awful but then i realized: He can easily Spot Hunters i would never See.

Its das but its a "Well they do it too so i dont want to muss Out" Situation.

[unborn sandal]

@limpid vine you can do that now

It’s been like that for a while

[limpid vine]

Not on console you can't. You can only do it in the main lobby

[unborn sandal]

On pc you can do it. You didn’t specify in your post

[limpid vine]

figured it'd be the same for both 😅

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[tribal wyvern]

Sometimes i just wish that if you did no pvp & bounty extracts, your char should die aswell.
How is a bounty team allowed to get to extraction when we ran from Blanc to Hemlock & it's a full game?
Without any stamshots or deter/greyhound.

[lone granite]

@cobalt brook Didn't see /s, so not sure if that's a troll. Should they also not allow snipers to look at any compound where bounty is?

If you can't handle the heat of picking up bounty, then leave it. Or, if you are duo/trio, take one bounty, fan out and scan near extract.

[desert nest]

@stray oxide Hey! I just wanted to say that your idea for the Drilling isn't that much of an anachronism. The idea of a drilling, or hybrid gun, was fairly common is Europe, Asia and the middle east when cartridge guns showed up, particularly in Germany they had been a thing for a long time. Also, it doesn't actually need to be hammerless. There's many videos and images showing drillings with exposed hammers for the shotgun barrels, though I believe the rifle barrel uses an internal hammer.

[lone granite]

@hoary rain I actually really like the idea of blankfire variants for powerful weapons. Avto could be 3 blankfires tossed at once. Could have just a shotty version. Not sure what the run rate is for blankfire or decoy supply, but im sure this idea would give it the recognition it deserves. Maybe even modify decoy supply to decoy expert--Still get decoy from ammo crates, but also allows faster and/or further throwing of decoys.

[maiden pelican]

@next yarrow Gave you my upvote because I got tired of writing out similar

But we did get 2 new long ammo rifles!

Wooooooo! Next we'll have magazine sparks, and a 119 damage lever action

[next yarrow]

I don't really want krag to get variants

it's pristine

[maiden pelican]

Bayonet or the riposte thingy it has

[next yarrow]

no scopes pls

[maiden pelican]

Maybe a chopping specific one since you know its bayonet is cool

[maiden pelican]

Oh you know it'll have a sniper and deadeye

[next yarrow]

yeah probably

but t's cooler without them

lol at berthier if krag gets deadeye btw

[maiden pelican]

Because of the berthiers shitty handling

I hope it gets a sniper if it gets anything

[next yarrow]

sounds nuts with sniper scopesmith

[maiden pelican]

As it's lower damage would make it a much less annoying mosin sniper, combined with its poor ammo with spitzer

Or wait does it have spitzer?

Or does it have the better version (FMJ)

[next yarrow]

it has fmj

[maiden pelican]

Fuck FMJ

I hate it for so many reasons, but most of all because of how massively overused it is

[next yarrow]

well long fmj kind of sucks

but yeah\

[maiden pelican]

Maybe the devs turned it into long ammo so they can't nerf it anymore

[maiden pelican]

True, I just more am thrown into a blind rage because of Compact and Medium, I guess it's a bandaid to their falloff to the devs

[next yarrow]

it really is

[hoary rain]

Good idea! Especially close range. If you throw a rifle blank fire in a close range fight, the opponent wont expect a shotgun, which you could be carrying. I mainly like the audio effect of the nitro in this case though

[next yarrow]

move the falloff from fmj to base and suddenly compact is completely fine and medium is 75% of the way there

[night cradle]

fmj, overused?

[maiden pelican]

About 4/5 lemat carbines I see have FMJ on them

Just about every chainpistol too

[night cradle]

cause compact has 0 pen lol

fmj is fine

[maiden pelican]

More because compact has 0 pen and terrible falloff

It would be fine if their solution to compacts terrible falloff WASN'T an ammo type that gives you 40 meters before it starts

[dense schooner]

compact is fine as is rn, even more with the recent effective range buff it got. however, medium is not

[trail carbon]

In my opinion, medium ammo needs a small buff, but long ammo needs to be brought in line with the other two ammo types

It's just so much better in every way, so why would most people not take long ammo

[unborn sandal]

The problem with long ammo is that it’s balanced mainly through price and reserve ammo count, which can be avoided by being a good player and bringing an ammo box or long ammo pistol with you. Balancing by price is a completely worthless metric as it pretty much only punished prestigers

[night cradle]

TBF compact with HV is insanely good

Winnie swift hv is one of the best weps in the game

[unborn sandal]

I don’t think long ammo’s falloff needs to be adjusted, but the could probably put a reserve ammo cap for each ammo type (say 50 for compact, 35 for medium, and 20 for long)

Medium ammo should definitely be brought out to 30 meters

[dense schooner]

I think the same.

I play with a mosin without a long ammo pistol very often and I find it’s plenty of ammo. Now there’s some people who bring dual sparks pistols that nearly quadruple the reserves (from 10 to 38) and guess what they do, just sit outside and mindlessly shoot through walls in hopes of getting a wallbang.

It is a ridiculous amount of ammunition for the most powerful rifle category. And one of the inherent disadvantages of long ammo rifles is precisely their limited ammunition, but these pistols basically eliminate it.

[next yarrow]

it's hilarious to me that bornheim gets about the same number of total bullets as the uppercut

[worthy knoll]

i think the devs said more than once that "PvP should be avoided" and that the bounty is still the goal.

Furthermore I think the Uppercuts damage should be nerfed

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[proud narwhal]

@unborn sandal I actually really like your idea of capping ammo based on the type

It makes a ton of sense and stops people abusing avto with sparks

Like, an avto with dual sparks and ammo boxes has access to almost 100 rounds, and I've seen scrapeak layers where they can almost double that

[unborn sandal]

Yeah sadly other people don’t agree. I’ve suggested ammo caps in the past but it never gets much traction

[proud narwhal]

People will do whatever to not need to aim

Bodyshot spammers man

[unborn sandal]

You could still bring dual sparks and get plenty of ammo on reload but it would require you to move around a little more to get more ammo and I’m sure you know how this community complains about camping and then when a reasonable idea comes along they downvote it into oblivion

[proud narwhal]

Bahahah of course

Here's a solution to the camping problem!

"No it doesn't let ME camp, they shouldn't be camping"

Skill issue

[steel dawn]

Please patch trails they can be exploited with the shadow trait. I don’t know how I know this

[potent portal]

self revive for solo's is f*ckin broken needs to be limited to one time use this is ridiculous

[prime ibex]

Just trap 'em lol

[potent portal]

easier said then done especially when you are fighting other teams at the same time. Or when you aren't immediately on top of their body, what am I gonna take 4 traps with me?

[hoary rain]

It'd be cool if there was a way to full kill them. it could be a banish thing that takes 20 seconds, but it would fully banish them from the game.

like an exorcism or something

[potent portal]

or even just make the wait time longer than 5 seconds.

[hoary rain]

agreed

[prime ibex]

Concertina bomb, fire, traps, w/e

[tribal wyvern]

Ye ima be honest & say thats just dumb.
It's a pvp game with a pve goal. Literally any other pvp game with pve goals puts pve goals there specifically to attract pvp, think Sea of Thieves.

For example having events spawning that all can see & people going there & then fighting.
Thats literally bounties. As selling the loot is money & achievements for titles/cosmetics.

If they wanted people to avoid pvp, then they need to make it a singleplayer.

And why add pvp related traits then ?
Why make events bout looting players?

So I think they've abandoned that statement tbh

[silent tartan]

@pearl summit Whats wrong there?

If you mean the team 1, they had only 0.5 star higher match mmr than you

[pearl summit]

And how about team 4 and 5?

[silent tartan]

still 1 star lower than team 1 - so still in same bracket

From that screenshot, I think MMR is working as intended, matchking people with max 1 star difference

[pearl summit]

That's why it should be 10*, not 6

[silent tartan]

This is example of very bad matchmaking tho

But its very limited because of playerbase

If we had more players, it would work better

[pearl summit]

If ppl would be not so salty in VoiP - game would have more player base

[crystal plume]

[rotund oasis]

Damn. At that point I'd rather have an empty server.

[rotund oasis]

I feel like it's more the hostility of the community towards new players in general.

[night shuttle]

just, going to put this out there, the story from the last event, serpent moon or whatever it was, was pretty good.
the story from this current event was arse.

[main thorn]

do something about the hacks, in russian servers specially , its getting ridiculous

[worthy knoll]

The Thing is, people should be Able to leave a Match at any time dir whatever reason.

Alsp punishing people that start at the other end of the map (e.g. Wolfshead) when the Boss is at the Opposite end (e.g. salters) and it gets insta Banished With an extract Sounds really unfair.

[worthy knoll]

It was Not even consistent.
Just... Kevin died but He didnt. Chary died but didnt. Weird stuff

[tribal wyvern]

That was kinda my point.
If you had read my whole text you would have noticed what i was hinting at.

Because i mentioned how i started at other side of the map, made it all the way over there & the team was allowed to get to extract, cuz no other of the 4 times did anything to stop them.

Single boss map

So my point was to force the other 4 teams to do SOMETHING, even tag em with a nagant silencer in the toe

[night shuttle]

end of serpent: 'chary collapsed the mine entrance, and they hear a wailing of an inhuman monster approaching them from deeper in the mines'
this event: 'uh yeah they punched each other a bit, and mary was there.'

[karmic ivy]

Its worth saying that Hunt isn't literaly any other PVP game.

[unborn sandal]

@astral lantern the gator skin or whatever it’s called is far more egregious

[vale cedar]

a lot of skins are bullshit as fuck and an advantage

honestly

[little carbon]

Stars aren't equal to brackets and they are quite an inexact representation of the actual ELO numbers. 2 players with a full star difference can have a smaller ELO difference than 2 players with half a star difference depending on their position within the star's ranges. Add to that that ELO ranges don't correlate to star ranges and it gets a bit more complicated to interpret the post match data.
In the example you have shown the first team is probably basically 4* and the last team most likely just above 5* , so they are separated by the 4* range which iirc is quite small. So the ELO difference in your example is most likely not that bad.
People need to stop thinking about the stars and evaluate based on the possible ELO numbers. Seeing them would help understanding matchmaking, but I understand why crytek hides them. It would probably be better tho to just fully hide ELO

[little carbon]

In what way would the community be hostile towards new players?

[rotund oasis]

The fact that a lot of high mmr (usually high 4 star and up) will leave randoms if they get a low level teammate or TK them and go extract, or scream at them for not playing "optimal loadouts" and call them trash noobs. Hunt is a hard game and people refusing to at least try to help new players and instead just kicking them in the face doesn't make new people want to play the game more.

Not everybody plays this game like a high tier sweat who grinds eight hours a day. Most are normal people who just want to play for fun. It's not fun when a six star steven comes along and calls you dogshit in your first hour of playing.

This is also an extension of Eugene's point about people being salty in VOIP.

[crystal plume]

Yeah that ain't a Hunt exclusive problem

Take basically any game with any form of a competitive aspect or something you can lose/gain and you have people like that

Hell even games that don't have basically any of that and have extremely nice communities will have some extremely bad apples here and there

Sadly it just do be like that

And there's no way to prevent it, only punish it

[worthy knoll]

In Part it was. But you also Tell people to Not be Able to extract and leave for whatever Real Life throws at Them. In a Game. Which is about having fun. Thats the Problem.
This system punishes people needlesly.

Better alternative would ne that its Impossible to start at the Boss compound AND extracts are at Minimum one compound away from the Boss compound. This way people cannot banish 2 minutes in amd extract without ever seeing other Players.

[tribal wyvern]

Well you can still extract before bounty team does

[worthy knoll]

Also the Monster is Just a Woman tortured by chary to be His mindless Slave

[rotund oasis]

You're right. Hunt does have quite a lot more features and mechanics than your average shooter and it's a bit more niche, making getting new players even harder.

Not saying that it's bad. I love hunt. Just saying that it doesn't really have a broad audience compared to more "mainstream" shooters.

[night cradle]

I'm p100 and people literally leave my random trios 3 out of 4 times. it's just a "people thing" man. People dodge for all sorts of dumb reasons.

[warm zephyr]

it's not mainstream for a reason (despite how much they try to bend their knees to mainstream audiences). The game just isn't able to support more/new players with the current build and little to no effort is visibly made to improve that. For some reason, there still isn't a shooting range for people to warm up/get used to the weird crosshair placement or at the very least learn what common sense is in this game, very wonky mmr system that does not do justice with the actual skill of the players (stars range 1~6 yet the first 2 stars are underutilised and frequent mismatches), nor playstyles (people in asia tend to bush and preserve k/d instead of risking their skin to help randoms). And then we have the servers. As a player from south east asia we are forced to play with china players, with every match having high ping at the very least, and we are expected to understand their callouts I guess(no radial wheel ping system??).

Despite the increased monetisation of the game, not much at all seems to be invested back into the game as issues that existed way back are still present now. devs have through the lemat bug admitted to using spaghetti code and with each patch, more willing to make changes that did not care enough to give players a heads up or put in the test servers.

Hunt really have themselves a unique gameplay loop. But with the increasingly mobile game influenced monetisation and player-retention "features", my friends have left the game for good and I am to follow after finishing the battlepass. It's a shame really. A project with such a unique idea is made and managed by a studio that has little integrity.

[radiant river]

the randoms system is so bad

if they made it better it would also get more people using it which would make grouping people together in it easier

[tribal wyvern]

@vale cedar
Discuss feedback here.

[vale cedar]

LOVE YOU SO MUCH FITGIRL REPACKS — Aujourd’hui à 20:22
you hit something so you get an hitmarker idk what else u want

[tribal wyvern]

Because of how bugged the explosives are.
Hitmarker atm are so unreliable. You can throw it next to him, but theres a tiny rock, so it did 0 dmg & medium bleed.
Or you can have 2 brickwalls inbetween & it oneshots.

So my point was the game just straight up tricks you because of how unreliable it is.

Kinda with flashbangs, people get hitmarker & the guy isn't flashed.

[vale cedar]

thats not rly a problem with the hitmarkers its just the grenades being janky

which i guess yeah they should fix

[tribal wyvern]

So my point is, give me hitmarker if it actually does something as with flashbangs

Idc if the guy got light bleed from my frag, same as idc if the guy got flashed for 0.1 seconds.

And they somewhat fixed the flash, kinda, ish. By only giving hitmarker or sounds if the guy got flashed.

[vale cedar]

how does that "flashed for 0,1 second" thing happen?

is it just a bug or is it a feature

[tribal wyvern]

Feature, it's like being on the edge of an explosive & taking like 5 dmg

[vale cedar]

oh

[tribal wyvern]

Flash is based on range

[tribal wyvern]

Here you can see how inconsistent consumables are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImxzA1v-lUM

[vale cedar]

yeah no they're 100% janky as fuck

i never noticed the hitmarker thing tho

[worthy knoll]

Public service Anouncement: I hate the Inferno, hate that it has 100% on Fridays and I want it gone. I also want to choose my contracts/daytime.

furthermore I think the Uppercut needs it damage nefed to 120

[queen jungle]

@granite crystal There used to be a 2D replay map planned according to a past roadmap, but we haven't heard anything about this in a while

[granite crystal]

Oh I see. So did they stop talking about it or was it completely removed from the roadmap?

[molten lintel]

Stopped talking about it. They also wanted to publish a roadmap at some point. Stopped talking about this too. 2022 was a bad year for content for Hunt. New weapon skins and hunter skins don't count in my book. They did not really add much. The event now is ok-ish, but honestly the wildfire should not have taken up all dev time for 2022. So I dunno, it seems like HS is pretty much on the backburner at Crytek....

[karmic ivy]

Why do you say the game isn't able to support more/new players?

[dim heron]

They removed the roadmap publicly because people kept expecting things on the roadmap to be added the next day when in reality it was a "In the future we would like to add" not a "This is coming next month".

as far as we're aware 2d is still planned but no release timeframe

[worthy knoll]

and we have not heard anything since

[granite crystal]

Yeah I see. Well, only hope remains I guess

[lone granite]

They've got higher priorities. 2d replay or fix major bugs.

Part of me is hoping they decided to forego 2d replay in favor of actual game replay (pubg style). Pipedreams...

[faint ibex]

@halcyon shadow why lol

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[gaunt creek]

i am soo sick of the fire. im sensitive to it, you cant hear, and its every map and just sucks. ruining the game for me. sigh. please ramp this down by like 99%

[unborn sandal]

Most of the community is loving it. The ones that don’t just happen to be whining the loudest in this channel

[gaunt creek]

new trait idea: 'sixth sense' - allows you to see dead bodies in dark sight. good for looting and keeping track of dead hunters.

[gaunt creek]

and when you say 'most of the community is loving it,' where are you getting this information? i am fine if you have some real data to show that? or are you just speaking anecdotally?

[warm zephyr]

servers. in peak hours asia servers basically strike

[unborn sandal]

I speaking based on the feelings of my friends and randoms I’ve played with in this server. I’ve only found one person out of 40 or so that I’ve played with since the event started that disliked it

I realize it’s not the largest sample size but it covers people in Oceania, America, and Europe so it’s quite diverse

[gaunt creek]

ohh... well i have had the opposite experience. so 'most of the community' is not accurate.

[warm zephyr]

the event is ok at best

[unborn sandal]

Are these people whining on forums or people you’ve played with

[warm zephyr]

but defo not worth grinding for 2 months

[unborn sandal]

We’re talking about inferno not the battle pass and pacts

[warm zephyr]

pardon me

but still not worth having it for 2 months

frame drops are a thing

[unborn sandal]

I’ve not had any problems and I’m playing on a laptop

[warm zephyr]

good for you!

[unborn sandal]

-_-

All I’m saying is the people enjoying the event are not the outspoken ones

[warm zephyr]

it's fine at best

[warm zephyr]

sure, have a definitive study to prove that?

just as much people that don't enjoy inferno may be silent

[unborn sandal]

Do you have a definitive study to prove that the majority of the community is disliking the event?

[warm zephyr]

and just quitted the game altogether

you are the one trying to prove something

I'm just saying. you can't say for surenjust based on your experiences

[unborn sandal]

I’m only speaking from the experience that I’ve had with other players during this event

[warm zephyr]

and im speaking from mine and apparently, @gaunt creek

[unborn sandal]

And I started this discussion as a response to someone else, not spontaneously

[warm zephyr]

yet your statements sound spontaneous

[lucid lion]

Does anyone else feel like rez'ing in this game is extremally fast? I believe it only takes 2-3 seconds which to me has always been insane.

[night sapphire]

We don’t need the wildcard maps for a full day anymore. Put it in the rotation and that’s it.

[unborn dagger]

I enjoy the event and especially inferno but the problem with events like these is that they last way too long and Hunt is just one game mode. Unless they are planning to add multiple of these wildcards per event I want shorter events

[unborn sandal]

I think they should take their time to work on bugs and build the next event, and last event people were complaining that there wasn’t enough time to complete the battle pass

I’ve been playing almost every day and I still have 15 or so levels left in the battle pass

[unborn dagger]

At least the grind here does feel shorter cause challenges give a massive amount of event points. I just want them to remove the story crap from the battle pass

[abstract vapor]

y'all are lame

[hot vigil]

I know, I play Hunt

[little carbon]

Honestly, a 2d replay seems more useful

[little carbon]

I have played hunt on 3 different setups during the event, a laptop, a lower powered Pc and a good PC and haven't noticed frame drops at all.
Do you have an appropriate fps limit set in the options?

[vast fiber]

get me out of this inferno map!!! its supposed to be snow map coz its december event and how the hell you guys come up with this fire thing

[warm zephyr]

hear hear. the novelty wore out in 3 weeks

[warm zephyr]

hunt is unoptimised in general. I have noticed more framedrops in inferno.
120fps cap iirc
3060ti 12400f if that matters

[karmic ivy]

No frame drops here either, for me or my wife. We run pretty old rigs. Hunt seems well optimized for my hardware.

[burnt mulch]

@wispy lion all normal pistols/rifles while ads have pinpoint accuracy, except for the avtomat.
your suggestion actually decreases the unique niche that dualies currently occupy.

oh wait i misunderstood you want reduced accuracy on shoulder fire

but still pinpoint accuracy while ADS? that reduces the niche even more

@glad chasm #feedback is for feedback, not stuff you want someone to get back to you about. You probably should have asked in #game-questions . That said, contact #customer-support .

[karmic ivy]

@atomic cipher How is it you didn't read or hear about the fact that reload bugs are deep and being worked on but takes time?

[burnt mulch]

ngl I haven't had a reload bug in ages

except for the new ironside one, but that one improves the gun lmao

[worthy knoll]

Dont Talk about it

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[atomic cipher]

Yeah, another excuse from devs lol. How many years do they need to fix it? It's all about priority. Fixing bugs is definitely not one of them.

[crystal plume]

Interesting how them being honest about the state of the issue by saying that it's an issue with a deeper system which will require more work to essentially rework it rather than just fixing a bug in a code is viewed as an excuse 😄

[atomic cipher]

Interesting that some bugs are taking forever. While some useless things no one asked for keep coming. And on the contrary some things that ppl have been asking for ages are still not here. It's a matter of priority.

[burnt mulch]

or ease of implementation, or different departments

[atomic cipher]

that's true. but it's still a matter of the priority. history of this game shows that bugs are not on top of the list

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[fossil raven]

if i provide video evidence of me losing my hunter and gear to the reload bug will they refund my lost hunt dolars?

[frozen crater]

probably not

[prime ibex]

No.

[valid mango]

why did you remove in dlc Legends of the Bayou 500 blood bounds?

currently they are not in dlc

[silent tartan]

[lone granite]

@hard radish You don't have to be a 6-star with 2-3kda to afford avto. Bad argument. I have 116k and have never touched 6* and highest kda is 1.43.

[hardy coral]

Avto is fine and actually balanced

[mental cove]

Can you please fix flashes??? Like you can't do anything about them. It's enough that they're in your proximity and you're full flashed... you can't turn around, can't do shit. Like do the hunters have eyes in the frickin' back of their heads? That can't be the best you guys can do right?! It's kind of getting annoying. Is it just me here guys?

[hardy coral]

So true, just remove them

[hardy coral]

At shotgun range shotguns are better, at rifle range it's too inconsistent and ammo wasting. At 15-40 metres it's pretty good but still inconsistent and someone who's going for headshots (Which you can't really do) will just drop you.

[unborn sandal]

At close range if you miss your first shotgun shot you’re dead. At close-mid range you’re just completely dead and it outclasses anything but a clean headshot or slug body and at mid-long they can completely avoid the encounter by camping bounty so you have to choose to either leave or run into ar spray

[worthy knoll]

welll... because anouncing this would have made people angry 😉 and crytek wants you to buy those 500 BBs 😛

[worthy knoll]

I agree

[frosty fjord]

Dualies routinely landed 2 shot kills from 30m away is simply absurd with their fire rate and reliability +FMJ.

You know its bad when people avoid it because of what it says about the type of people who use it

[untold prism]

There is no way this guy is not cheating. The instant headshot from a spot I had not yet peaked from 190m.

[unborn dagger]

@zinc solstice So you have two options at your disposal, killing pve as you are running towards extraction or getting a new hunter. What's the issue?

[zinc solstice]

you lose a chunk in a fight and cant banish for new bars, you get to eat shit if you get shot with anything that does 125 damage or more

[unborn dagger]

Even killing the hunters that you fought is enough to get your health chunk back

[zinc solstice]

most people just dont even bother and leave

its so you dont have to leave the match to get your chunks back and make your hunter effective again, you can do it during the same match so you dont stop the flow

[unborn dagger]

That just sounds like a skill issue at that point.

[unborn dagger]

You can either extract to leave or take the risk to get the bounty, that's the way Hunt is.

[worthy knoll]

I too usually extract or want to extract when I am down 25 (or definitly at 50) and the banish is gone. Except maybe as Sniper.
There is too much that does exactly 125+ dmg.

Furthermore I think the Uppercut should have its damage nerfed to 120.

[unborn sandal]

Apropos the uppercut thing why? That would make it pax fmj with less ammo and more recoil

[hot vigil]

Think this is a weird workaround, think the issue is more that there is too many weapons cough long ammo, that is just too consistent to be a threat with anything with less than full hp.

[zinc solstice]

well its not even just long ammo

now ive pretty much added to the ohko range of shotguns being shot at me

a bornheim with two tap me

im not gonna tank two limb shots from compact

its such a huge disadvantage to permanently lose hp that theres often to reason to bother going into another fight willingly since you could even trade with a mosin while carrying a shotgun

[hot vigil]

As I said: consistent
Your examples have harder condition than "be within 40m of your target".

Vs. any other weapons except for long ammo you can at least be somewhat safe at 20m distance.

[zinc solstice]

well if we remove a lot of those weapons' threatening damage output, it puts hunt farther away from its highrisk gameplay that differentiates it from running at someone and spraying cause you have fun armor

but that extra hp is the saftey net, and losing that saftey net and having the better choice of not going into another conflict makes it a lot shittier playing

[hot vigil]

We don't need to remove them. Just baseline them a little. Make them more akin to the Krag.
Tho I think single shot long ammo can retain more lethality.
Even if a long ammo dealt the same damage as a Winfield it would still be better bc it retain the damage over distance and pen better.

[zinc solstice]

the idea of losing that bar in combat when you cant back out and those weapons becoming such an issue is a good part of the game to me

[hot vigil]

Long ammo: chest lethal at 40m if you have been down once (125hp).
Winnie: Chest lethal at 20m if you have been down twice (100hp)

[zinc solstice]

but when youre im between fights theres no reason a previous fight should interfere with your ability to have fun (aka not dying to one bullet)

[hot vigil]

I agree

Hence why I hate solo players.

[zinc solstice]

which is why i would prefer a way to regain some of your bearings to go into the next fight, while still not being able to when pinned down

*the mark would only be usable at like a wagon or something (which i dont think i mentioned)

[hot vigil]

I think a better solution is this:

• You don't lose pips when going down.
• Pips can still be burned.
• You have revives equal to health pips.
• When you extract from a mission, your hunter now needs to sit matches out equal to the amount your were downed (max of 4, red skull doesn't count).

[zinc solstice]

i dont like that cause then i'll be instaburned a every time 💀

[hot vigil]

Already gets that :v

So nothing new for me

[zinc solstice]

i dont get that

i rarely see people burn, downing one is already enough most of the time

[hot vigil]

I instant burn, especially during the advent of solo revive.

Burning also forces pressure on the enemy team.

[zinc solstice]

i usually cary cBombs so i just toss that on if im worried about rez

[hot vigil]

I always have my Cbombs too.

But yeah, dunno, don't think burns will go up. Bc wiping a team is still viable.

[zinc solstice]

i would carry fire too, but i have a regen, vit and waxed taking up the rest of the slots

the waxed mainly so i can clear the cbomb fast

[hot vigil]

2x Vit, 1x Dynamite, 1x Firebomb.

[zinc solstice]

or just kill

[hot vigil]

But yeah, dunno, the loss of healthy pip when downed really doesn't add much for my game enjoyment anymore.

Ofc if we get back full HP everytime it might result in people actually be good at the game and push and kill people :v

[zinc solstice]

nah cause if youre trying to push into compound, which is usually where people meet in game, you cant back out quite so easily if youre downed trying

[hot vigil]

Fair point. But yeah, love the perma death of Hunt, but wouldn't cry if the losing of health pips went away.

[lone granite]

Long ammo? Maybe been watching you. I've done that before. Sus ones are long ammo and shooting through multiple layers of brick/concrete, hs, zero line of sight, then immediately doing the same to a teammate. Next match, same guy, same tactics.

[dense fjord]

#game-ideas message @void bloom absolutely love your suggestion

[unborn sandal]

@signal copper did you die and revive yourself?

[signal copper]

Yes, first time I died from boss, then revive myself, finished boss and start banishing. In 1 minute game was ended.
Second time I traded with the last guy, revived myself, picked up bounty and same thing happens. I think it's bounded to moment when every players on server die and game decide to close session in order to open new match.

[unborn sandal]

yeah the devs are working on it right now. When they created death cheat they forgot that everyone on the server might me dead

[signal copper]

Like that. It's not fun because in this way hunter will die even if I have pledge marks and death cheat. Kill myself or not revive at all will be better option xD

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[worthy knoll]

So it
A: cannot down a Hunter thats Missing 25
And
B: Its Not stronger than a full sized rifle of Long Ammo

Furthermore I think the Uppercut should have its damage nerfed to 120.

[queen jungle]

Please add hunt lobbies with kick/ban features so we don't need to add friend. As well as in the random queue system to make a premade with find another random button so you can take a friend and some other random in your trio with you.

[tribal wyvern]

@grave valley
I agree 100% with not affecting eachothers mmr.
But the weirdest part is that, the mode Quickplay, doesn't even use ANY matchmakign to match u with similar skill, yet also affects your bounty hunt mmr.

Atleast make it use matchmaking if it's goin to affect mmr

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[tribal wyvern]

@vestal lagoon
I mean your first suggestion is just out of the question.
That will be exploited as fuck.

Your best bet is just to go on a new acc tbh.
And downrank it whenever it gets to high in QP.
You can see Hunt as only having ranked queues.

You wouldn't want to see diamond players in a Silver game for example.

But Hunt also has a very questionable matchmaking system to begin with. It's insulting to MM itself by claiming that Hunt has it.

[little jackal]

I constantly get trade killed by people but hardly ever trade back now that I have gigabyte internet.
does this sentence even make sense?

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[prime ibex]

@chilly wren Martini's reload glitch is extremely temporary as it happens once or twice(From experience), and only happens if it's picked up from a dead hunter or switched from a world spawned gun. It's indefinitely not an Awe of Power type of glitch, but it definitely needs a fix, which is probably getting addressed as is.

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[burnt mulch]

@leaden kraken you can add photos to your suggestion, you just have to have the text part in "Title: Description:" format.

also, I'd highly recommend having an easily accessible keybind to your first tool and first consumable, and then use scroll wheel to select the precise one you want.

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option in settings to make give shots to friends a different button like right click - just so you don't accidentally give your friend a shot when your in close quarters and so you don't give yourself a shot when you are trying to give them one```

[lone granite]

@high bridge Levering wouldn't work on Martini Henry Ironside. Look at the lever and trigger location of Winfield/Terminus and compare that to the Martini Henry. Your hand would have to come off the lever, move to the trigger, then back to the lever. A gun designed for levering lets you do all that in one motion without taking your hand off the lever.

[chilly wren]

I kid you not, this bug persists through multiple missions, but i am not even sure entirely (I think it wasn't even contraband), i had my ironside the whole time on me and the reload bug occurred really really frequently (maybe getting revived is the second condition, next to picking it up) - I knew it existed and even I was surprised. And 2 times i pulled it off that it happened, after I saw that it would reload normally, but then just switched weapons and then reloaded with the bug, not losing ammo.

But still, temporarily disabling it would do less harm than the bug does

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1. Pet Raven - I don't know how to incorporate it. Whether it's a consumable that comes exclusively with a hunter or it can be equipped. Etc.

So it sits on the shoulder until you choose to use it, throw it out in an area and it will slowly fly around the radius from the center of where you use it. It's basically a primitive UAV. Like a personal alarm, covers a radius of 30m maybe. If an enemy player enters that radius, it sqwarks non stop until they leave the radius or until the enemy shoots it down. Maybe using dark sight enables seeing the rough direction of the enemy hunters detected in the Ravens radius. A bit like the stalker beetle.

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1. Pet Raven - I don't know how to incorporate it. Whether it's a consumable that comes exclusively with a hunter or it can be equipped. Etc.

So it sits on the shoulder until you choose to use it, throw it out in an area and it will slowly fly around the radius from the center of where you use it. It's basically a primitive UAV. Like a personal alarm, covers a radius of 30m maybe. If an enemy player enters that radius, it sqwarks non stop until they leave the radius or until the enemy shoots it down. Maybe using dark sight enables seeing the rough direction of the enemy hunters detected in the Ravens radius. I guess its a bit of an alternative to the stalker beetle.

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[dim heron]

Title....

@proud narwhal The SBMM selection was off for the player in your game. You could tell if it were on as it would have a symbol of a scale next to them.

@stoic spruce KD and Time played are not factors of MMR. It's about who you kill and who kills you, if someone with a lower mmr kills you, you'll lose mmr faster than someone with higher mmr killing you.

Also due to the event a lot of people are playing solo vs duo which is why you may not be finding games as quickly as you would like.

that being said, don't leave the queue if it reaches the end. Crytek has stated that this is not how the matchmaking works and it makes it worse for you than just going into that game.

[flat sandal]

There is so much discussion about MMR and matchmaking. For me it seems to be working as intended although I seem to be stuck in 3* with 1,3KD because if I manage to get into 4* after my "relegation match" I don't have enough time in 4* to adapt to the different playstyle before going back to 3* 😦 So if anything there to be a playstyle bias and I just can't bring myself to playing shotgun or sniper but I'm not patient either 😄 so rip. Some in-game western fair style aim training would be good for people like me

[bronze quail]

The think is that you have 1.3 ad you are 3 stars, but there are players with your same stats that are 5 stars

And a lot of times with thousand of kills

A player with 3k kills and 1.3 for example can be found at 3 stars, 4, 5 and six

There is something wrong with that

[flat sandal]

I think the meta in 4* is just different and I refuse to adapt^^

if you ask me sniping and shotgunning should be nerfed but that's just me

the KD can be the same in every MMR as you are matched with the same lvl people so the impact is generally the same, just have to abide by the respective meta and or be good

[rustic imp]

how many hours you have ingame?

[flat sandal]

300-400?

[rustic imp]

i don't see any huge meta changes between 3 and 4 star, i'm 120h and i'm here and there..

[flat sandal]

don't know the maps well which is an issue^^

[rustic imp]

its just that i see constnatly 5 stars in my 4stars matches which is a whole other level.

[flat sandal]

I think it gets sweatier as you progress and I'm not a sweat

you are probably also on the verge then

[rustic imp]

no i'm back to 3 since 1h 😄

usually i play on 4 in duo, and falling back on 3 as a solo

which i don't understand, because i'm usually at least 1,0 KDA, even if i die

[flat sandal]

I am doing way better solo somehow but play trio for company^^

[rustic imp]

my KDA is also better as solo

but it seems like that the bonus you get as a solo is very small if you die then

which is sad

[flat sandal]

yeah would be nice to know how many point you gain/loose for each kill/death dependent on MMR difference

[rustic imp]

also, i think personal MMR should be affected by team performance. Which it doesn't.

[flat sandal]

then we would have to stop guessing

[rustic imp]

if i hit 3 guys and my friend finishes them, he gets the mmr reward.

[flat sandal]

yeah it's just kills

[rustic imp]

shit imho.

[flat sandal]

not sure if assists count? probably not

[rustic imp]

no, only kills and deaths.

[flat sandal]

that would be effected by playstyle again

[rustic imp]

i guess it would make more sense to get a solo, duo and trio mmr.

in duo/trio, it shouldn't matter how makes the finishing blow

[flat sandal]

probably just impossible to get right, making mm make perfect sense that is

at the end it's about minimising frustration and based on the increasing success of the game it seems to work on some level

what people say a lot that they know what they did wrong when they die and you could see that as some sort of sweet spot I guess

[rustic imp]

at least solo, duo and trio should be seperated.

[flat sandal]

yeah would be interesting

anyway, from what I experience I can't quite understand the emotion going around on that topic 😄

[crystal plume]

@outer wedge Out of the 10 latest DLCs only 4 has had something on their back unless you count Lonely Howl's wolf pelt on his shoulders

[outer wedge]

maybe its because its only on the skins i want to buy, but then see that there is a back attachment and got that impression

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[soft river]

@arctic flame they can't remove it

but they can make it special ammo

its a very common suggestion

[arctic flame]

I know I’m just mad cuz I play literally against 14 game in the row against that ****

[hot vigil]

I mean, they could remove it, but it would mean a lot of refund for skins.

[unique osprey]

Potentially they could just change the gun to bolt action like the obrez drum varient just full size with a better iron sight

[stoic spruce]

I'm aware KDA doesn't affect MMR but people with 2+ KDAs and thousands of kills that roll us every single time we play them, should not have the same MMR. (it's just an easy way to preface these players are much better) There needs to be more bands, or the bands should be much larger because it is quite tiresome getting demolished over and over again because maybe we just so happened to kill 1 of the High MMR places before getting obliterated. Quickplay should not be able to affect bounty hunt MMR either. Whereas recently we did have a stint where we played similarly skilled players and was quite enjoyable but then back to getting rolled every game again last night with the significantly better players than ourselves.

As for duo, I purely find it strange that we used to be able to go from full lobbies as the start of the night to maybe 1-2 other teams towards the end of the night when letting matchmaking go all the way to the end. Now it is ALWAYS an empty lobby if you let matchmaking get to the end, and it's getting to the end a lot.

[worthy knoll]

I too think it should.
Think about it, this way KD Farmers are grouped together with Cheaters and super Elite living Aimbots.
I See No Problem With that.

In the other Hand, the lower end of the spectrum is Not opresses by deranking KD Farmers.

Eben If i May be Able to kill someone With a 2.0 KD as a 0.76er Most Engagements With hin will be a loss for me.

I See No real reason why KD shouldnt affects MMR

[flat sandal]

But KD sorta does effect MMR it is just weighed by MMR difference for every kill. like, it is in the formula, at least that is what mods and stuff keep saying.

it is not easy to explain the variance in KD within an MMR bracket though. If deranking means to purposfully getting into a lower MMR to improve KD it is just bad behaviour of players. KD is really annoying, I would hide it for everyone, makes people go kinda crazy. Whenever I play a game long enough to notice the KD it changes something and I don't even care that much

[crystal plume]

I perform relatively well even though I don't "tryhard" and I don't want KD farmers nor cheaters in my lobbies 😄 Why do you think that the solution to MMR is to essentially move the problem from lower MMR people to higher MMR people

Obviously both will be a given in my lobbies even currently, but funneling all of them into my lobbies on purpose doesn't exactly sound fair either

KD is a bad value to use for something like SBMM as it's not nearly as fluid as a more abstract value like MMR

The more kills/deaths you have the longer it takes for the value to change further

Which means that if you tank your KD as low as possible and it was a factor in SBMM, it would let people derank themselves for much longer than the current system

The main factor in effectiveness of SBMM or how effective it can be made will always be the amount of players, want a super accurate matchmaking with 20 different brackets for each region? I don't think that even doubling the playerbase will be enough for such a system, try 10x the current playerbase

[flat sandal]

👍 all super valid points^^

didn't know KD farming was a thing, so sad. Just remove it, doesn't really say much about how people currently perform anyway. I like the system, it feels like leagues to me. So, I would remove KD from the game and emphasis the league character of the rank so players strive up. Best games are the ones where I am matched with players from the next rank as I feel like being tested. All this kinda leaves the actual aim of the game out of sight though, getting the bounty.

[crystal plume]

I've always wanted KD removed as well, even though I have a decently high KD overall it just causes people to play in ways that have a negative effect on everyone's experience

[flat sandal]

I think that's true

[hexed shale]

if KD got removed how will i know my pp is bigger than other hunters

[crystal plume]

Measuring tape

[hexed shale]

obviously my 1.69 KD means im better than a 6 star even though im only a 4 star

ez pz

that is why i am pro KD since it lets me participate in a pissing contest

this is great since a toxic community that is obsessed with numbers getting bigger is more fun

🤡

[flat sandal]

I'm sure those are all things the developers are discussing as there are contracts in theory but better contracts based on rank would be nice. Contracts including information about the bosses, time of day and weather but that might make matchmaking harder

anyway, time to play 😄

[worthy knoll]

well better players can deal with problems better, e.g. they fall for traps and ambushes less than "noobs". And deranking would not be possible but that is an entirely different topic.

maybe KD should not be the ONLY determining factor but it should factor in somehow. Because the guy with more than double my KD like 2.0 (as i said 0,76) is definetly better than me in a Gunfight. No questions asked. Can I hypothetically snipe him when he stands still and I have a Mosin Sniper? But So can he, so can everyone. There needs to be somethingthat factos in more than "well your last match was so great, time to throw you to the big dogs".

[worthy knoll]

NO!!!! I want contracts (or at least know the weather) but to gatekeep that behind skill lvl is BS. Itw ould make more sense to give this "help" to the players that are not as good instead to the ones that are already doing fine

[flat sandal]

yeah the info for everyone, just better ones with higher rank. whatever that means

[worthy knoll]

Yeah thats fine, most cash comes from looting all hunter while having full consumables anyway

[flat sandal]

don't know why but cash is a total non concern for me

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[worthy knoll]

I use it as a measure for succes. If my money is more at the end of a session the day was good

[flat sandal]

lol literally just realised that all the things I would add for contracts are mentioned in the random contract^^

[radiant river]

Spreading people out so 1 and 2 stars are actually used in the mmr curve might help

[worthy knoll]

or add more brackets. Because nobody wants to be a one star

[radiant river]

Sure but that's only because of how it is now

It's an artificial problem

Although people would probably be mad since everyones mmr would go slightly down

[worthy knoll]

yes

[worthy knoll]

@golden cloak @prime ibex genuinly curious: any reason why you hate the sound suggestion?

[prime ibex]

I use it for stealth.

[vale cedar]

its the perfect moment to break in

when the sound starts

[unborn dagger]

^

[golden cloak]

^

[burnt mulch]

@queen jungle assume the game rounds players to the nearest star. Then a 3 star can be anywhere between 2.5 and 3.4. A team of say…3.3/4.3/5.3 can then round to a displayed team MMR of 4.5, especially if it’s a premade team.

The team of 5/5/4 could be a team of say… 4.7/4.7/4 , which rounds to 4.5. Plus they could be a random team.

so.. simple math.

[tawdry plover]

Anyone know if there is a bug where u dont get any skill points?

3 games now and still no points

[burnt mulch]

is your hunter levelling up?

also, I think #game-questions or #bug-reports-pc might have been better

[worthy knoll]

So you See it as a benefit.
Alright thats Fair. I disagree but I too downvote stuff that messes With Things that give me Advantages:D

Maybe I Make a new Suggestion only for the "Teammate is dead" Sound.
Not gonna lie we lost a Match today because of it

[prime ibex]

...Ok? Am I supposed to be sorry for your little misfortunes?

[winged minnow]

Really need to dial down the % spawn chance of adjacent teams to bosses in trios, it's nonsense

[unborn dagger]

I'm definitely in agreement with that and especially on single boss bounties

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[worthy knoll]

Never Said that. You could instead Tell me why (If) you would be against disabling the "dead" Sound for teammates. (Since I Understand your Argument for the Boss Sound thats Heard Map wide the Moment its Banished)
For me its just that its an obnoxious loud Sound for no real reason whatsoever. I mean you get the visual that your Partner ist dead since the Skull Turns from White to Red.
I Just think that in a Game about Sound this feels off and makes no Sense.

[worthy knoll]

I know Shit about Programming but how hard can it be to implement a line of code that says:
If compound has Boss
Team Spawn = negative

And then a line for
If compound = Boss Lair
Disable All extracctions in 200m

Or something Like that

[burnt mulch]

can actually be pretty difficult, depending on the design of the code.

of course its easy to kludge something together but that generates technical debt

[hot vigil]

Also if the boss can't spawn where team have spawned it kinda makes it easier to locate it as the first compound where you spawn is null.

[burnt mulch]

in duos honestly checking the outside compounds wouldn’t even be necessary since the chance is so low

may as well rush the center every game

[queen jungle]

It would really shift action away from compounds on the outskirts of th emap

[worthy knoll]

Locating the Boss is Not really hard lets be real.

[worthy knoll]

From the compound where you start yes.

[burnt mulch]

but you have to remember theres a lot of teams spawning in not just yours

with all the teams in the game, the chances of the boss being able to even spawn on the outside is low

[worthy knoll]

Well I guess there is No way to do this

Except Changung extracts and i dont want that

[burnt mulch]

extracts probably cant be dependent on boss location either cuz you could guess based on extract locations where the boss is.

[worthy knoll]

Its Just a complete waste of time when you Start at Wolfshead and the Boss is Banished at salters 2 minutes in With an extract nearby

[queen jungle]

Imagine being able to triangulate the boss lair by using the extracts

[worthy knoll]

Which is why i Said that it is Not possible

I mean Findung the Boss is Not that hard

Go to 3 compounds and click

[burnt mulch]

something that might help could be to give bosses damage reduction that tapers off over time

[queen jungle]

Personally I don't see too much of an issue in the way the system works at the moment. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you end up being unlucky. Doesn't bother me personally.

[burnt mulch]

but really the banish is long enough to run across the map, assuming you don’t run into anyone.

or you can just extract and go again

[worthy knoll]

Usually If people Run With the Bounty they escape

[burnt mulch]

shrug cut them off

[worthy knoll]

And thats still wasted time...

[queen jungle]

Yeah, which is always a very valid option. Too few people are willing to extract if things aren't in their favour.

[burnt mulch]

if you think that chasing is wasted time, extracting and trying again is less wasted time.

[worthy knoll]

In that I agree. Why Take a stupid risk when I know that people Inside are wanting With shotguns.

[worthy knoll]

No what i mean ist that from my experience when you See people running away its usually to late to Catch them. If Somebody is 100m away He is gone. Except If you have stamina shot and He does Not.

[burnt mulch]

then be closer to them or cut off their escape paths or snipe one of them.

100m is pretty short considering they have to wait 30s for extraction.

(though personally I think extraction fight design needs a bit of an overhaul)

[nocturne harbor]

I'm having a problem loading into the game. I'm getting stuck on the all rights reserved screen and staying there

[prime ibex]

@worthy knoll I don't need to give a detailed reason when it's already been simply put.

[worthy knoll]

Alright then.

[nocturne harbor]

does anyone know how to fix the "stuck on all rights reserved" like I've been trying everything

[unborn dagger]

I wouldn't exactly have an issue with extracting if the load times didn't take years to finish.

[vital drum]

@slim tinsel You can separate the interact button from the button to stop burning/bleeding in the keybinds settings

[slim tinsel]

Nothing should take priority over healing.

[vital drum]

No, that would be bad design. Meaning as soon as you bleed, you can't interact with the world. Just separate the buttons and you'll be good

[slim tinsel]

Lol like this game doesn't have bad designs as it is.

[burnt mulch]

doesn't mean they should make it worse

[dense schooner]

what they should do is reduce the area to trigger the prompt to interact with objects

[hot vigil]

This, sometimes you don't wanna stop bleeding, but get heck outta dodge before you bleed out.

[sullen crypt]

Especially with bloodless, bleeding can be ignored sometimes

[lone granite]

I've heard a handful of people claim they can tell where boss lair is either by looking at extract and/or resupply. Had no way to even begin verifying, seemed like a lot of work for a potential troll. Hoping this truly isn't the case though. Maybe If I see a center of the map banish in the first 4 minutes I'll be suspicious.

[thin ember]

I'd like the option to buy a Legendary Hunter with no traits for slightly cheaper. I would rather have no traits than garbage traits that can only be removed by paying real money

[burnt mulch]

legendaries used to literally be that, except even more expensive than they are now. No perks. They added the traits as a bonus, its not what you buy the hunters for.

[queen jungle]

It's not possible, but it would be if extractions were a minimum distance away from the boss lair

[sullen crypt]

They did say they want to remove the bb cost of respec, making hunt dollars probably in the future

[signal mural]

Yeah, or use the MedKit on the table. But yeah dying to bleedout due to an enemy weapon at your feet is frusterating.

[unique osprey]

@sullen crypt no nerf the amount of reserve ammo when using the spark pistol with a long ammo weapon

[sullen crypt]

So remove its only current purpose?

[unique osprey]

the pistol is fine by itself as a pocket rifle for short range primary loadouts. I would change it so that the ammo reserve for the sparks pistol is the same as the uppercut when paired with a long ammo weapon

[unique osprey]

in short yes

[sullen crypt]

Well you can't fix a problem by creating another

[dense schooner]

The sparks pistol was an unasked for addition. Nobody was asking for additional long ammo reserves

[unique osprey]

and what problem would be created?

[sullen crypt]

Well you'd be making the gun useless

Since clearly it doesn't compete against the uppercut

[unique osprey]

it is still very strong with good special ammo. it is also cheaper atm then the uppercut. Personally I prefer the sparks over uppercut but that is personal preference. the same argument could be said for pax vs scottsfield as pax is better rounded only really losing to the spitfire

[sullen crypt]

Cheaper isn't an argument, price isn't really a balancing point

[unique osprey]

for some players it is still a valid argument. for me the only real issue is the avto with the sparks pair. way too much ammo for a gun that does not belong in this time period

[sullen crypt]

Well the avto is also expensive af, so there's that then 🤷‍♂️

[unique osprey]

True. although I would argue that the price difference between uppercut and sparks is an argument between choosing 2 fairly similar options. there is no alternative option to full auto long ammo. All semi autos are small ammo. with exception of dolch which is special ammo

[little carbon]

Banish time is more than enough to cross the whole map.

[little carbon]

You need a perk for that and you give up all long range capabilities, and it's still outclassed by shotguns in their range. Not saying that it isn't powerful, it is, but you can outplay it like any other weapon.

@queen jungle the stars are not your actual rank but a representation of a hidden integer between 0 and 5000 which is your actual MMR rating. Depending on that number you will have a star assigned. (Which means the skill difference between a 4 star and a 5 star can be as little as 1 or as large as the size of both ranges). For group matchmaking it takes the average (not the median, that's a different calculation) of the 3 numbers and then shows the stars based upon that, with the addition that they have more ranges here since they show half stars as well.

To be even more confusing, the matchmaking brackets aren't the same as the stars, but also just based on the hidden number. A group at the lower end of the 2 star spectrum might be in a different bracket then one on the high end. A matchmaking bracket could also overlap over the range of one star with a little bit of extra on each side. So for example you have a mostly 4 star matchmaking bracket that also includes the highest 3 stars and the lowest 5 stars.

In the end always keep in mind that there are multiple ranges going on and that the stars aren't an accurate depiction for matchmaking but rather just an easy way for you to gauge how good you are

[torn sage]

would be super cool if reconnect didn't take 15 mins.

[sullen crypt]

Wait does it actually work after 15 mins?

[torn sage]

dont know still waiting

[unique osprey]

not entirely true. 1 sparks pistol still give a significant ammo reserve increase. The first shot is true so long range is doable although not very ammo efficient. Avto will only really lose to shotgun around a corner even then it would probably still be a trade. The wall bang potential of the avto I would think will outclass a shotgun for most of the compounds

[little carbon]

You were complaining about the sparks pair specifically so the argument was made towards that. The ammo reserves of 1 sparks pistol is absolutely fine and its hardly infinite ammo. If you play well with a shotgun you can easily win against an avto inside your range, not just around corners.
The first shot of the avto isnt accurate as far as i know.

[sullen crypt]

@lilac moon
Well the hunter is gone, and here's what I believe happened. Empty server, you died, the game believes there's no one left due to poor coding, so it begins to shutdown, game ends, and death cheat due to also poor coding or simply intended (who knows) doesn't work if the timer expires

[sullen crypt]

@pearl summit what exactly was shit about that pic?

[pearl summit]

sbmm

[sullen crypt]

what about it, youre 5 stars, fighting 5 and 6 stars? everything seems like it should be

[pearl summit]

it's not

[sullen crypt]

why not?

[hot vigil]

@coral nymph While I do agree FMJ, shouldn't be this good. I also don't think long ammo needs any more leg up.
A simple solution to the first part is to make a simple system of FMJ increasing FMJ's pen with one level.
So Compact pen to Medium pen.
Medium pen to Long pen.

[coral nymph]

Honestly, that is roughly how I thought FMJ worked when it was introduced. Only much later did I learn that apparently all FMJ penetrates equally... which is ridiculous, and insane.

And not that I think long ammo needs to be buffed, however, the thing here is that FMJ is not a buff to long ammo, it is almost a flat nerf at the moment. Almost all long ammo are rifles, which are best used at range. Both rifles and long ammo weapons gravitate towards high muzzle velocity, which makes long range fights better. And FMJ absolutely obliterates this muzzle velocity, while adding almost no extra penetration which was not really needed in the first place for long ammo, and slightly increasing the effective range, which was super not necessary for long ammo after the effective range buffs. You do not benefit from being able to headshot-kill someone at 480 meters or whatever distance, especially not with ammo that will take over a second to get there.

So if your proposition includes long ammo FMJ being also proportionately buffed in terms of penetration, then sure, that works. At least then you could somewhat viably use it on some more close range weapons like the ironside.

[hot vigil]

I can see the reason for that, but I also kinda think that FMJ on long ammo shouldn't be a thing. Just bc, well, they already pen thru so much, so when is gonna be relevant?

[coral nymph]

Idk, it is fairly niche, but while long ammo can penetrate 1 metal sheet or a weak brick wall, it usually does not. FMJ does so with somewhat more reliability. So it could be beneficial for closer range loadouts if you could pen these materials pretty much 100% of the time.

I still doubt many people would play it, but at least it would be less garbage. I have literally never played long ammo FMJ, and I have seen like 2-3 people playing it (in about 3000 hours). But as it is now, it might as well be removed I guess, for the above stated reason.

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[coral nymph]

@ebon island The positions of barricaded doors and windows have been randomized since forever. Some are set, but many are random. Same for ammo, toolboxes, medkits, and supply points (although all of these have pre-set spawn points, but whether/what spawns there is random).

Some further randomization of the compound layout itself might be possible, not sure, but also not sure if the devs would want to do that, as the changes have been seen as upgrades to the maps´ quality, playability, balance and such.

[hot vigil]

Yeah I can see that. I guess just some ammo will be more redundant on certain weapons.

[coral nymph]

For sure, but with FMJ spread across the rifles/handguns and compact - long board, the lack of balance is just stunning.

Incendiary ammo is very meh, poison is underwhelming, and dragonbreath is simultaneously weak for the user and painfully punishing for the recipient, but all of those are ok I think, largely because there isn´t much of a good way to balance them better that I can think of. FMJ is just a matter of making a bit of a distinction between the different ammo sizes it comes in.

[lone granite]

Poor coding? This is a balance. What would keep someone from purposely dying early match, then solo reviving themselves once they know the map is clear?

Poor wording/description of trait and limitations? yes. Poor coding...well actually maybe, maybe not, either way it creates a fair balance so it's a moot point.

[sullen crypt]

the server is empty, who are they hurting

[lone granite]

You're joking right?

[sullen crypt]

no?, also theres no way to truly verify if a server is empty, until is over

[lone granite]

Are you sure about that? Spectate goes away on an empty server when you are downed, because...no players left to spectate.

[sullen crypt]

ok nvm i take that back, either way, now what server empty, who are you hurting by being able to revive

[lone granite]

Being alive and surviving teams and looting the map and bounty trade is one thing, but playing opossum for the majority of the match just to farm money and possibly free bounty from trade...

You don't see the issue there?

No risk, all reward.

[sullen crypt]

who are you hurting

[lone granite]

It's a balance. It's already an OP pact. Other pacts have nothing on grounded.

[sullen crypt]

i still think is poor coding, same way if the timer expires you also lose your hunter, even tho the perk says "if you fail to extract"

[tribal wyvern]

Depends.
Do you have Deter/Grey or a stam shot?
You can't just sprint through all soundtraps, you'll get ambushed & killed.

It's 5minutes to cross the map full sprint.
If a team insta sticky & nuke the boss, you'll barely make it in time.

You can't fullsprint through a map as duo

[bronze quail]

You can do it in less time even without stamina and traits and without triggering sound traps

You only need to now how to move

[tribal wyvern]

No you literally cannot.
The 5 minute was made by someone doing the run.

All on ground

From 1 end to the other

"need to know how to move."
Ye without recording it, I don't trust that for a second.

[bronze quail]

Well i guess why I've seen these kind of complains only by a specific type of players lol

Almost never had this problem in 3k hours

And i don usually take stamina, or traits for running

[tribal wyvern]

Well you're claiming to be able to do things thats not physically possible. And just going "well guess im just that good."

[bronze quail]

But i still manage to get at scupper from cypress

[tribal wyvern]

Do that run in 5 minutes, no sound trap aggroed.
Recorded

I'd love to see it.

[bronze quail]

And it's really rare that you are on the exact bottom corner of the map and have to run at the exact opposite side of the map

Like 90% of the times you have to run less than 3/4 of the map and is still doable.in less than 5 min

And learning to navigate implies knowing the map and how the player move too

[tribal wyvern]

Instead of arguing, do the run you claim to be able to in 5 minutes, no sound traps aggroed.

[bronze quail]

Is not hard to predict where all the players are and when you can aggro stuff withouth anyone hearing it

[tribal wyvern]

Because whatever you're saying here is just "look at how good iam."
And it's getting a bit boring to listen to.

[bronze quail]

No, I'm just saying that is not that hard to improve in the game instead of complaining for useless stuff

Cause you probably crouch for 2 minutes just to avoid a bunch of Crows

[tribal wyvern]

Lmao

You've spent 5 minutes arguing complete bullshit instead of proving it.
So keep going, im done with listening to the sound of someone jerking themselves.

[coral nymph]

The real question is, why would they die early? It is just better to not die at all. Dying not only tanks your KDA and MMR if you care about those, and burns off your bar, but it also muddies your weapons and prevents you from doing anything, as well as from hearing properly which makes it harder to guess if there are still people around/where/how far/what they are doing. It is almost impossible to get killed if you really don´t wanna and have a decent amount of game knowledge, especially if you are willing to do literally nothing for 30 minutes and just sit still in a corner somewhere.

Even if this gave you some modicum of economical advantage, which it does not, really, basically no one would ever use it for that, as it would take an absurd amount of time for likely not very much in return. Unless you have vulture, you will loot no one, and if you were dead the whole time, you don´t even have any way to know where the bodies may be anyway. And the map will be gone through and looted/cleared for the most part by then. Extremely ineffective strat.

[hoary mortar]

@stray wyvern Think about being teamkilled like this - you are losing just a hunter, while your teamkiller loses at least two weeks of playtime, possibly his entire account. Report, block and move on.

[stray wyvern]

i just think its disgusting that i have to lose my stuff while they can just troll me and i get punished for not wanting to be trolled why not reemove teamkilling if people will get punished for not letting someone troll them

[hoary mortar]

1. they get punished way more than you
2. if it was impossible to kill your teammate, people would just do cheesy exploits like sticking a teammate with 2 stickies and have him run into the boss lair and he would survive, or you could freely nade inside a building your team is pushing, or your teammates wouldn't trigger your traps etc

[stray wyvern]

i understand the reason they dont but the fact that im not the only person something like this has happened to is to much innocent people should never get punished for the actions of a butthead intentionally trying to ruin someone elses day and now those people get the last laugh as not only did they get to troll me they also got to bann me same for any other person who defended themselves from such actions

[ebon island]

They don't necessarily need to use the reworks as the variations of the compounds. They can create others and use them in place. I just see this as a way to further expand the game and include additional content instead of DLC after DLC of legendary hunters.

[lilac nest]

is there a way to make the clip from nvidia stop deleting after every match a auto transfer or save or just make it so the game deletes when you close the game not after every match

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[coral nymph]

True, that is fair. Although I am not sure if if would be time-efficient to rework countless little parts of the existing compounds to be able to randomize the look of the map somewhat, instead of rather working on another map.

[ebon island]

If the maps are built the way I think they are. Creating those initial map compound reworks is a matter of switching the compound files.
Id be more focused on changing the dynamics of each compound rather than making small reworks to existing compounds.

For example...
Have 3 variants of Fort Carmick.
Variant 1 Pristine - Fort Carmick all fixed up, no damage to the compound. Must have been over run by zombies.
Variant 2 Damaged - Fort was under attack and has several holes on the walls, and such.
Variant 3 Ruins - Most of the walls have been destroyed into crouch-able covers, Ruins of certain sections of buildings perhaps creating rubble piles that allow access to different levels of the fort.

Perhaps there are conditions that occur depending on the condition of the compound
Pristine more barricaded doors, windows and such.
Damaged. Less interactable doors, windows, etc. Maybe a few lifts or metal doors are broken in an ajar state or a crouchable state
Ruins has more scattered and erratic supplies spread across it with few doors and mostly half wall cover

It might not be 100% possible to randomize the compounds on the fly like they can with interactables right away. However, in the future I can see this potentially being able to be done. Creating more dynamic situations and gameplay. While limiting the potential for people abusing locations to derender walls with snipers and such. Like the spot at windy run overlooking Arden parish

[coral nymph]

That definitely does sound cool, but it also sounds just about as demanding as making a whole new map from ground up. Personally I have no idea if it is more or less time-efficient, but if the devs deemed it rather more so, I would be cool with the idea.

[ebon island]

in your suggestion you mention that mosin has FMJ.... It does not

Mosin has Spitzer; FMJ is only available on Martini, Sparks as far as I can remember

[burnt mulch]

long fmj is actually quite nice on the sparks pistol, which retains 149 damage much further

[hoary mortar]

I'm cure Crytek has the data to look at your ban appeal or your report if you haven't tried #customer-support already
the problem with this game is, they haven't implemented any separate measures to when you're playing with randoms (I assume that's where it happened to you) and they still treat it like it's not worth investing time into because like 95% of players don't play it

[coral nymph]

Well, no, I think none of the repeating long ammo rifles have it, but that´s not really the point anyway. All the long ammo has the same pen, and all the FMJ has the same pen. Which is dumb, and not very good for gameplay.

[ebon island]

I'd agree and argue that the speed reduction it faces balances it. In a sense...
Long ammo can pen most wooden objects at any range and hit the target before they move, However... taking a pistol with sub 300m/s bullets and applying FMJ to them further lowering the velocity to around 230m/s if not slower on select pistols... would make it nearly impossible to hit target at a range of more than 45-50m

Only issue I've been experiencing frequently... is spitzer being unable to penetrate metal sheets at point blank...

[burnt mulch]

uhh

I'm pretty sure the suggestion is to change FMJ's pen to mirror ammo type, not.. whatever you're talking about

[ebon island]

retains the damage and can pen more however you can't reliably hit targets that decide to move an inch past 60-70m

[ebon island]

FMJ on compact should more mimic medium ammo than copy long ammo for pen

While FMJ on medium should mimic long ammo

[burnt mulch]

and yet FMJ on compact is one of the few things keeping them relevant.

[stray wyvern]

yeah for sure and ill try that thanks

[ebon island]

most compact double action pistols are going to always be relevant. Their fast fire rate as a side arm is a great Golden ticket out of trouble

pun intended

[coral nymph]

Like I said before, I don´t think the long ammo FMJ needs to be faster (although I would say it could be, idc really), but it should have more pen for sure. Having a tiny bullet from a new army revolver penetrate exactly as well as a far more powerful sparks bullet, fired from a long barrel, just because they both have steel coating, is ridiculous. And the properties of long FMJ makes it completely unviable. Also, there should be some benefit to taking medium FMJ over compact, right?

[burnt mulch]

there is benefit to taking medium fmj over compact.
the medium base, sporting better falloff and damage.

[coral nymph]

Sure, but those are properties of the gun, not the FMJ you add to it.

[burnt mulch]

you can't separate that from the properties of the final bullet. It's compact FMJ vs medium FMJ.

the reason to pick medium FMJ is to have the properties of a medium gun as a base

[ebon island]

Each ammos type of FMJ has increasing velocities, Compact (slowest), Med (midground), Long (fastest).
I do however agree "a tiny bullet from a new army revolver" FMJ should not be as strong as a "more powerful sparks bullet". But, instead should mimic say the Caldwell Pax or Vetterli instead. Providing more pen at close range but not as good as a Sparks or such.

[burnt mulch]

nobody looks at a medium bullet and says "yeah I'm gonna rely on that penning"

on paper, and at close range, sure, FMJ pens the same across the board

[coral nymph]

But with this approach, compact ammo benefits from FMJ vastly, whereas on long ammo you are basically paying for a massive downgrade. With medium, it is just kinda in the middle of these extremes.

[ebon island]

At close range. Yeah gonna rely on that more than a compact bullet.

Imagine a Caldwell pax firing at New Army speed with slightly less damage

Which would you then prefer?

[burnt mulch]

and a fraction of the muzzle velocity, and at close range?

we're comparing guns that have different use cases

it's like comparing a frag with a sparks

[ebon island]

Velocity doesn't so much matter at close range. That's the point.
Your trading long range capabilities for short range competency.

[burnt mulch]

I don't even know what you're trying to say at this point

"close range gun better than long range gun at close range"

big revelation

[ebon island]

I'm strictly talking about FMJ m8

Sparks FMJ aiming at 100m on a walking target is less viable than a regular Sparks at 100m.

Vice versa
Sparks FMJ is more viable at penning metal or wood at close range than a regular Sparks. Especially true at close range

[burnt mulch]

I don't really see much of a problem with that, honestly. Long ammo doesn't use special ammo well specifically because its base properties are already so good. FMJ is a niche choice to extend downedx1 1-tap range for long guns.

[ebon island]

FMJ in generally should just upgrade the bullet tier on each gun...

Compact FMJ acts like Medium
Medium FMJ acts like Long
Long FMJ act like Special Nitro

Nitro lacking FMJ to begin with shouldn't matter

[burnt mulch]

do you know how much nitro pens?

several brick walls

[ebon island]

A lot

Seeing as there aren't any repeating rifles with long FMJ...

where is the problem?

[burnt mulch]

putting aside that there is...

[ebon island]

Not really repeating. But sure a faster fire rate

[burnt mulch]

"not exactly repeating"?

what's your definition of repeating? levering?

[ebon island]

Martini is mag fed. Like the alamo there is a break between shots in which there are no perks to speed up.

[burnt mulch]

._.

[ebon island]

You can't stay aimed down sights at any point while refiring the martini

[burnt mulch]

you're joking right? it's specifically made to stay aimed down sights while firing the martini.

like.. iron repeater is baked into the gun.