feedback-discussion

[queen jungle]

@unborn dagger Just a theory but I think we’re starting to see a response to the inflation of hunt dolans

Hunt dollars are very easy to get, I think we could see a trend of more price increases

Potentially

[unborn dagger]

Ofc it's a response to the hunt dollar inflation which I don't mind but it needs to be reasonable.

We're given so many options to obtain cash

[queen jungle]

I don’t think it’s so unreasonable. It’s more in line with other melees but still cheaper.

[somber harbor]

my man we are in a recession irl we do not need a cost of hunting crisis

[queen jungle]

I mean it’s either that or they slash earnings

Nobody would like that

[somber harbor]

nobody likes either change lol

not when there's people who never prestige sitting on 200k+ who won't be affected at all by said changes

[queen jungle]

I like the price rebalances for the most part

[queen jungle]

They’ve offhandedly mentioned more work on prestige

[somber harbor]

only prestige work that should be done is giving the option to infinitely prestige

or to occasionally force a prestige on people who sit at 100 when an event comes out

[queen jungle]

maybe we’ll get another hunt dollar dump

They plan to change weapon cleaning to hunt dollars and I would definitely use it

[somber harbor]

I wouldn't because it provides no meaningful change to the gameplay

idek why it's a feature it's straight up pointless

[queen jungle]

You don’t take trophy guns?

[somber harbor]

no lol

[queen jungle]

Gotta live a little man

I always try to yoink one gun before extract

[somber harbor]

I'll take them and use them next time I'm bringing in that gun

[queen jungle]

I have hunter slots dedicated to avtomats, uppercuts, dolches, nitros, and crowns I find off people

Last 5 hunter slots are always trophy hunters

[late wind]

Taking trophies in Hunt is pretty fun.

[lyric rivet]

they threw concertina through a wall of concertina that no throwable would be able to travel through stfu

[stray horizon]

@dull prawn yooooooo nightfall mode sounds dope af

[main cradle]

Uh

Wrong channel

[unborn dagger]

Derringer at 80... yeah that is a questionable placement for something like that.

[uneven mirage]

Ill swap it

there ya go. But this update is the 2nd worst possibly the worst next to the duelie levering update

[main cradle]

Sorry but that’s fucking funny

I’ve been playing since 2019, and I love using dualies

They hella fun and really feel neet and all

[somber harbor]

dualies are fun but goddamn they were broken at one point

[main cradle]

Yeah, but they fixed it

But like saying it’s the worst update is like

Wow

[somber harbor]

took them forever though

takes them forever to properly balance anything in this game though

it was in a great spot for a good while but this patch is just full of half assed balancing which won't affect the whole playerbase

only decent price changes were pax, slate and bornheim

and frags ig

but ppl are still gonna run 12 per trio

[uneven mirage]

what did you think was the worst update?

understandably everyone has their own opinions, I just stated mine

in some ways I agree

it isn't all bad. there is alot of good

but that damn beetle. my god

it just doesn't feel like it belongs at all

im not flipping, just trying to give objective feedback

reality is I would still love this game and continue to play

maybe if they took the beetle and made it a 1 time use item that you couldn't retrieve with a time limit

I did play it though? I tried it out on the test server. Not a fan in its current state

[somber harbor]

Pax at rank 58 is literally one of the strangest decisions not based on any reality about the gun ever tho

Being able to unlock the uppercut before you even unlock the pax is super goofy aaah

[uneven mirage]

I welcome changes that keep the existing maps feeling fresh tbh

[soft river]

centennial change was one of the better ones

next to choke bomb

like the centennial was unlocked after the lebel...

now its way before

[uneven mirage]

agreed

[soft river]

at rank 24

I love the centennial

[uneven mirage]

I love the gun and getting access at a lower level is really nice

[soft river]

but heres the thing, I'm prestige 0 and have been since I got to level 100

[uneven mirage]

seems like they want to push long ammo guns further back

[main cradle]

But the pax should be rank 18 man. Just saying

[soft river]

I never prestige so it never effected me

really pax is 58 now

it used to be 18?

[main cradle]

Yeah

[soft river]

that is a very stupid change

[uneven mirage]

absolutely insane to put it at 58

[main cradle]

Yeah that’s the only weird thing

Like the other level changes are t that big but

[uneven mirage]

like maybe 20 or 30 but 58 tf

[soft river]

the derringer change was also strange

[main cradle]

18 to 58 like

[soft river]

but the fact it was level 66 in the first place

[uneven mirage]

yes! i forgot derringer

[soft river]

raises more eyebrows

[uneven mirage]

another gun that should be a low level unlock

[main cradle]

Not really

[uneven mirage]

honestly maybe like mid 40s

[main cradle]

It should be like

Rank 40 or whatever

Yeah!

[uneven mirage]

I guess the reason I have such strong feelings about the beetle is because I feel it doesn't belong in the first place and could make it more campy in it's current form

also, did yall see what they did to ghoul? I kinda like it but seems OP

[main cradle]

I mean

I’m ’ happy with the beetle

It’s a cool neet mechanic

Plus look at the dude

[soft river]

i think it needs some tweaking

i've said it before

[deep carbon]

i dont like this beetle mechanic idea much either... i dont like the idea of direct drone control... it doesn't quite feel hunt-like to me... like why not just have a bird like a hawk or buzzard that u send out and gives a huge circling radius above where prob hunters are that anyone can kill or remove... not some pin point accuracy thing.... something more indirect ?

[main cradle]

It ain’t really accurate cause ya know

The hunter can move.

And can hear the damn thing

[deep carbon]

it's pinpoint for the instant, thats all you need half the time

[main cradle]

I mean, ok?

But I doubt ya teammate is gonna be right next to the guy

[radiant river]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/955631489247236117/1010385252935540766/lol.gif

[main cradle]

… what?

[blissful jackal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/955631489247236117/1010385252935540766/lol.gif

[frosty garnet]

@brisk briar, your post below has been deleted, as it doesn't follow the required format.
You can find all guidelines pinned in the ideas channel.

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[weak stone]

@dull prawn
you ever play when the dolch was seen every match?
the dolch is fine exactly where it is, its still a broken ass gun, the only reason its not run too much is its price point, but it balances out

[wary hinge]

the less beetles the better

[stray horizon]

yeah why the fuck did they raise it to 80? are people really running around using derringers all the time, its a fucking scourge? I've gotten one Derringer kill ever and I've literally never been killed by one or seen anyone else kill with it lmao

[weak stone]

@keen bolt
10 dollars more per knife and vit shot? the bank cant recover from such expenses.
Increase mosin sniper by nearly 200 but decrease spitzer by 70 lol
Slugs I'll give you, but I seldom see them
Everyone and their mother ran conv with fmj, they balance price points based on usage, everyone abused it, now no one will use it
Uppercut being 400 is fine as well, everyone uses it, a justified nerf for the pocket awp
Scopes on snipers were only like 50 dollars more, justified change imo
Romero is a god gun, and I run it in 80% of my shots, if your not killing with it, work on your aim

Overall people need to stop complaining about every single little change being made before even playing the damn game, I would say easily 80-90% of the changes are completely fine and justified due to the presence of x/y/z in the past 60 days

[keen bolt]

it's just bullshit tbh

It's kinda like - Getting slapped in the face

[stray horizon]

I absolutely fucking hate the perk point changes

like I'm not going to suddenly buy the worthless shitty perks I'm still going to buy the perks I like it's just now I get less stuff so the game will be less fun

they do it based on usages but they don't seem to consider that maybe the usage isn't necessarily just tired to meta what's the best but also what's the most enjoyable

raising fanning doesn't make me think oh man the meta is now I should buy something cheaper like vigilance, I like fanning cuz fanning is fucking fun

so I'm still going to buy fanning it's just now I don't get other things

punishing people for playing the game how they want to

also all the money and unlock changes will do is encourage people to not prestige even more

literally the only thing they did good on that front is the choke bombs and the centennial everything else terrible idea

no way i prestige again, especially since I can just keep getting fanning from my high tier hunters I buy since it's way too expensive to buy with perk points

[dull prawn]

I've been around since open beta, I remember well what the Dolch used to be - which is exactly why I know it's far more balanced now. The Dolch used to be an absurdly powerful monster that you'd see in the hands of pretty much every "top tier" player every single match, hell, I even remember when it was medium ammo!

having been there, seen what the Dolch was, and seen its slow, painful fall from grace after being nerfed into the ground pretty much every single update since, I can personally say that I think it is finally in a good place - stat wise. It's still a "good" gun, by all means, but its pros now have a lot of cons to balance them out. It's high damage, decent range and big magazine capacity are balanced by its awful recoil, low(er) muzzle velocity and slow as hell reload/poor ammo economy.

The only problem with the Dolch now is that it's still priced like it has all its original stats - and it doesn't. The Dolch price hike was, if I recall, one of the first attempts by Crytek to curb its usage. They wanted to keep it a powerhouse so they just made it prohibatively expensive so that less people would use it - just like they're doing with the Mosin Sniper and Lebel Marksman in 1.10. The problem was... it didn't work. All it did was make it so that only the most successful players (I.E ones who took Dolches into the Bayou constantly) were now the only ones who could afford the damn thing, so Crytek began nerfing its stats in every update.

They gave it Special ammo and nerfed its ammo economy to make it harder to keep stocked. They tweaked its damage numbers and muzzle velocity around the time they made changes to all the guns in the same manner, and most recently they gave it awful recoil when rapid-fire shooting and turned its previously slick reloads into snail-pace slogs, making it now one of the slowest and most clunky guns to reload in a firefight... but they didn't change its price.

Nowadays you don't see the Dolch much - not because it's overpowered and people hate it, but because it's way too damn expensive! It's exactly the same problem with the Bornhiem (which is getting a price reduction) - the Dolch simply costs too much for what it now gives you. I agree that it is a good gun, and that it should have a price to match. Is it as good as a fucking Mosin Sniper, though!? I don't think so.

[queen jungle]

You’re such a hater I love it 😁

[wary hinge]

Tbh

I dont hate the beetle

But being able to find them with ease lmao

[hearty rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/got-fewer-grammar-ftfy-stannis-gif-14039519

[stray horizon]

the less beetles the fewer

[weak stone]

You cannot be serious lol?
Who cares about the damn reload shoot all your shots and take a 4second L
440m/s is the highest of the pistols iirc (upper aside)
Its fire rate is amazing in addition to its recoil as long as your not holding left click. Also ammo economy? you have 20 shots, that is more than enough for fighting two teams. Worst case scenario youd have to swap for the last team, but it rarely every goes to having to fight all 3 teams in a single match.
If I could use a dolch every game and delete every single other pistol from the roaster I would take it in a heartbeat. Only the shotgun loadouts would suffer since you dont have a uppercut but you could make do.
Also even if you think it deserves a buff, you can at a bare minimum admit it doesnt deserve to have medium ammo.

Also the biggest problem with the bornhiem was that it was absolutely amazing when it did 76? dmg per shot making it a 2 tap. They nerfed it to 74 to prevent the 2 tap and alongside of doing so should have adjusted its price because it being a 3 tap is miserable.
But the bornhiem match, kinda cute ngl

Reading through the patch notes again, the biggest issue I see is the terminus buff.
It being cheaper, unlocked off the get go and levering being unlocked sooner was a terrible choice.
I would bet big money it gets reverted or patched the next update

[atomic cipher]

"but because it's way too damn expensive" - brah... nice joke. balancing by money is the most pathetic balancing there is anyway

[dull prawn]

yes, exactly, that's why it didn't work when they raised the dolch price in the first place - they just made it harder for newer/lower skill players to compete with an overpowered gun

so they nerfed all its stats too but kept the price the same

now basically nobody uses it

because its stats are pretty balanced but there are better guns for cheaper

@keen bolt makes a great point in their suggestion about how the price changes are probably not going to have the impact that Crytek thinks they will - they'll just make it so that high-tier, five and six star players will be the only ones consistently buying the "good" guns, while players who are just starting out will struggle far more to compete since they'll be stuck using all the lower tier single-shot/cycle action crap with clunky reloads and worse damage - a lot of which is now, for some reason, more expensive and unlocked later!??!

pricing by money has never really worked, all it does is create class divide and then make otherwise perfectly fine guns (like the Dolch in its current state) worthless because they're too expensive to bring in unless you're a few games off prestiging/have way more money than sense

[weak stone]

lmao, any double action pistol can go toe to toe with the dolch
crytek has stated it balances its guns around price point, this is nothing new
if you youve played since back when the dolch had medium ammo, you should know this

[keen bolt]

Yeah I know

and I don't agree much with it

right now it's fine and I don't want said change

[marsh pelican]

By how the prices are reworked, you can tell they hardly play their own game. This is just ... Bornheim Extended 100 Dollars cheaper? Yet the regular conversion doubles in price? And the progression changes I dont understand why those were necessary. Yet we still have buggy hit detection 🙂 This is getting a little frustrating

[weak stone]

You guys pretend like they pull this shit out of their ass.
Its almost as if, and I know I'm talkin a little bit crazy here. Like they have stats on what is used how much and how often.
In the last 60days I have seen 1 bornhiem ext. The only reason I know is because I was beyond surprised to see one.
A regular bornhiem I wouldn't say I've seen more than a dozen times.
Its almost as if its getting buffed because nobody uses it since its 74dmg nerfv

[dense schooner]

They could’ve kept the old price and make it 75.

You can make the gun the $10, it will still be garbage by only doing 74dmg

But I don’t think they’ll ever understand that.

[weak stone]

Then dont buy it, you have plenty of alternatives.
If it was a 10 dollar gun, I would bet you 90% of people would carry one.
Insane fire rate at 74dmg is 100% worth it
Hell Id take one in both of my slots and have gun gatting people down real quick

[dense schooner]

The only people I would see buying it is sparks users for follow ups

[weak stone]

A sparks user would never use it, sparks is huge range and compact ammo falls off after 40m

With your logic, any long ammo user would use it as well

[dense schooner]

Within the range where sparks does 149, you really didn’t do anything wrong going with that weapon

(Hypothetically speaking the gun costs $10)

[weak stone]

You could use any gun in that situation and have the exact same end result

[dense schooner]

Yes but in this scenario it’s because the gun fucking costs $10

[marsh pelican]

when was the last time you played the game? Bornheim w Fireammo is quite common atm. And if looking at stats would be a thing of concern: game stability, avto/dual sparks pistol ammo balance, gamebreaking bugs, hit detection, servers ... time and resources for reworking the prices of the guns would have been better spent on those topics

[weak stone]

Last time I played was a week or so ago, 3 days before the event ended

[dense schooner]

Price reduction isn’t a buff - it will never be. It will still be as useless as it is right now.

[weak stone]

Only time ive seen fire ammo bornhiem was when I ran it as a joke, because bornhiem with fire is pointless

[gleaming crown]

Feedback about Patch 1.10

Uppercut
The price of the Uppercut is a joke.
For people who prestige its almost unpossible to play Uppercut in many games, 414 dollars is way to much.
This gun got nerfed so many times, why even increasing the price of it ?
300 dollars would be ok, but everything more is just to much.
Its such a beautiful weapon, dont kill it.
Uppercut has slow reload and "firerate", why even pay 400 dollars ?
You can buy a bornheim for way less and its even better.

Bornheim
I also dont get the reason why reducing the price of Bornheim.
Spam weapons are meta and Crytek want it to be meta.

Trait changes
I´m happy with the trait changes.
Coctor costs 1 point more, but you unlock it early.
Very good change.

Spitzer/Slug
Thats bullshit. why reducing the price of it ?
It got balanced in the last patch.

[weak stone]

match already 2 shots, and for the regular hiem id rather have pen than a chance to burn

[dense schooner]

It’s just a meme. Born match fire + dual lemats fire. That’s all I would use it for.

[weak stone]

mucho velaco > fuego

[marsh pelican]

wow. ok ... 🤣 that explains a lot

[weak stone]

yup yup it does

after 60 days of playing the game, gets a bit boring

the only big issue with the uppercut, as mentioned above is unlocking it is a grueling task

[unborn dagger]

@unique osprey No, money capping is dumb and especially at 20k.

[unique osprey]

I would only money cap if crytec is going to continue to balance by price. They really should balance by stats would you not agree?

[knotty ore]

Can you please fix this, its fairly important to not have these kinds of bugs in a competitive game.
https://streamable.com/134hbv

[unborn dagger]

I agree that they should balance by stats but the economy is important as well and price capping would only worsen the game.

[unborn smelt]

We know for a fact thats wrong.
Sparks + bornheim was an insanely popular loadout when the borbheim was introduced

And it is the reason the Bornheim got nerfed so hard

[weak stone]

the reason it got nerfed, was it was the highest fire rate pistol that could two shot body shot lmao
If your using a sparks and want a follow up shot, youd use a medium ammo gun for the most pen potential, otherwise literally any gun works

also if memory serves correctly it was much cheaper than what it is currently

[frozen swift]

So what do yall think about the compact rifle buff

I think its a good step but needs an accompanying medium rifle buff to make long ammo less dominant, and very tiny buffs to range on compact and medium pistols with a price decrease on the uppercut so that they are more competitive

[unborn smelt]

No it could not

Bornheim 2 tap to body never made it past testserver afaik

[balmy sparrow]

Hi rango

[unborn smelt]

Henlo

[balmy sparrow]

Match?

[unborn smelt]

No people used the Broheim as followup because it had the Rof to get 3-4 shots out in the time another pistol gets 1-2

[unborn smelt]

That onewas added far afterthe nerfs

[balmy sparrow]

Fair point

[unborn smelt]

So it can't be thereason for the nerfs asthey claimed

Also medium ammo diesnt have the mostpen potential either - long has.

And yes it was far cheaper - 100 for normal and 130 for extended iirc

[weak stone]

your right, but if your running a sparks with an uppercut
if your running a sparks your running a cqc sidearm
but we will just ignore that part when trying to get your point across

[inner loom]

@signal mural Have you seen the changes in Hunt Dollar rewards?
Bloodline rank-ups will get more money as they go.
Basically giving an economy boost to prestiging players.

[worthy knoll]

@keen bolt I agree with most of what you said. Some price changes are just stupid.

Especially the melee tools.
And the Romero, which is now not as good since it's double the cost.

I think they just looked at what gets picked often and increased the prices of that.

[signal mural]

I saw but it wasn't clear if that was a real significant change. From what I saw it was usually only a slight bonus, enough for a grenade or two or one decent gun. I honestly don't see Hunt Dollars & experience points as any incentive to Prestiging. Hunt dollars and random gear seem bountiful with the new Summons & Mr. Chary. I don't doubt that the economy changes were well thought about and could work out positively.

The new Bloodline Unlocks overhaul hurts more than the economy IMO. I feel pidgeon-holed into trying guns I have otherwise avoided or not enjoyed because some low-level staples have seen a significant raise in their unlock level. But this is perhaps a more personal gripe so I will see how I find the climb this time once 1.1 hits live servers because I just prestiged after the event.

Presitiging - lacks true status- a slightly different player icon isn't enough and the newer Legendaries are a lot more eye catching than the very few exclusive skins from the Prestige Line. I can probably count the number of prestige Legendaries I've seen on one hand still.

[keen bolt]

And price of heal increased

[inner loom]

You can slow down a bit.
I only asked one question, not ten.
No reason to go on an entire tangent, it muddles the point.

I'm not talking about prestiging as a system.

[keen bolt]

That's also annoying

It's basically like EFT recoil change patch

Very few Buff but everything gets nerfed across the board

[signal mural]

Sorry. Thought the call-out was due to the posting in Suggestions/Ideas.

[inner loom]

I was gonna get there, but I can't really concisely answer everything at once.
I was wondering if you had seen the economy changes for prestiging players to begin with.
It's all good.

[worthy knoll]

Yeah that too. I usually avoid the big vit shot, sometimes with the right bars o bought 2 small ones and they doubled the cost.

All in all they incentive camping more, because especially with my Mosin Sniper I will never push now.

[keen bolt]

Like ... that's literally what I was saying

Was downvoted to oblivion tho!

[keen bolt]

To be fair

I know that's the case because it's literally back to 2019 hunt

Where if you're bad you eat scraps

And can't afford good gear so you shotgun camping a lair

Till last 5 minute

But if you're good you bring mosin every round

[atomic violet]

First Feedback regarding Stalker Beetle:
I think the "Sparks Poison / Poison Sense / Beetle Explosion" Combo is way to strong and i doubt that this is intendend by the devs.

If you are tagged by a Sparks Poison Bullet and you have distracted vision and audio, its kind of impossible to track the incoming Beetle that will finish you.

[queen jungle]

@keen bolt I'd argue the price changes to vitality shots show that the devs want people to play more carefully

[keen bolt]

Aka more "campy"

[queen jungle]

No, carefully. Aka not mindlessly rushing into fights, but advancing tactically and choosing when to pick a fight and when to avoid a fight.

I hope they never add this “Beetle Tether” 😂🤦🏻‍♂️ unless as a trait ofc.

[keen bolt]

To be fair I have 0 issue with the pacing

Anyway

Playing carefully

Leads to campy situation in no time

[queen jungle]

Depends on what you consider camping. Taking cover or setting up an ambush is hardly camping in Hunt.
Sitting in the same spot for 20 minutes without moving is.

[keen bolt]

It can devolve into that easily

Especially when low on med

And imagine someone was downed

That fight ain't moving soon in next 20 min

if both decided to "tactically" wait eachother out

That shit literally happened... Yesterday on my last match

[queen jungle]

Well the reason you can extract at any time during a match of Hunt is because it's a valid option to save a Hunter instead of fighting to the death.

[keen bolt]

I was that downed guy

[frozen swift]

But why take a risk and do something fun when you cant afford the health shots lol

[keen bolt]

That's the point why I said it was stupid decision

[frozen swift]

I feel like making health shots expensive mostly just tells non-snipers or aggressive playstyles to go fuck themselves

[keen bolt]

It's not just stupid - it's straight up Idiotic

[signal mural]

I edited my Presitige critique to reflect the interest that "exclusive" skins remain separate from the Presitige overhaul Idea/Suggestion in favour of a Legendary 4-Stage Hunter.

If you voted & this was a determining factor please feel free to re-review.

[keen bolt]

Like wanna push (even if you're rifle yourself?) Well better not get hit! Those cost 100$ a bullet!😂

[frozen swift]

I feel like the only way you could possibly make health shots being this expensive fair would be to make the medkit infinite or at least a lot stronger - which is not a good solution as it means even longer fights.

So I dont really think theres much that can be done besides not increasing the price like this

[keen bolt]

Oh bro please - look at my latest Med kit change idea to reflect this

Not a single like

[frozen swift]

link it

[keen bolt]

And -5 already

Obviously long ammo user hates it

#game-ideas message

[frozen swift]

Have another downvote

[keen bolt]

Thanks

[frozen swift]

No offense but i even said in my message that its a bad solution

[keen bolt]

I know

It's irony post anyway

To let someone who could link the two between and know med price jump is a bad idea to begin with

I mean

To be fair these changes aren't even affecting me that much

But like it's such a bad idea that made me worry about Hunt

[frozen swift]

Theres a couple really good changes and a couple really shit ones in this uodate

Unanimously i think the pax claw had its buff a long time coming

[keen bolt]

Hunt is my favourite game of all times...

I got 1.5k on it

There is no other games that I get that much hour ever

I work 6 days a week and sometimes 7 - so 1.5k hour is basically my life

I hate to see it go like this

[frozen swift]

Winfield marksman deserves the buff much like the other compact rifles - though bornheim match should also get this buff as it has a longer barrel

But medium as a result is too far behind

And needs a buff of its own

I am surprised this hasnt been done tbh

[keen bolt]

Medium is underdog of weapons lol

No way they buff it

[frozen swift]

They should though as it would make long ammo so much less useful in comparison

[keen bolt]

Unless it's a general buff (which every type gets) like last massive range rework

[frozen swift]

If everything is able to at least fight back with a disadvantage against long ammo at range, that would be ideal

[keen bolt]

Long just 2 tap up to like 90m

That's quite good actually

[frozen swift]

ideally a winfield would 4 tap a mosin at like 150-200m unless its a headshot

with a medium rifle being a lot more akin to long, being able to 2-tap pretty decently

with long still holding a significant but smaller advantage over medium

theres no reason my springfield marksman shouldnt do 100 ish damage at 75m

[keen bolt]

True...

Except it does like 60-70 something 😂

[frozen swift]

which is just silly

[keen bolt]

Also

Sorry for my misinformation... Actually it's 49 damage at 100m

(pfft)

[frozen swift]

jesus

what about 75

and where are you getting these numbers out of curiosity

[keen bolt]

https://nixatek.com/DamageCalculator.html

@frozen swift

[frozen swift]

FUCKING 64 TO UPPER CHEST AT 75M?!

insane how shit that is

[keen bolt]

Exactly

Medium is so shit but I still use em

[frozen swift]

mosin still does 107

i mean with that i guess 80-90 would be fairer for springfield at 75m

but like

still dude what the fuck

[keen bolt]

I mean this is basically the patch to kill medium ammo

Along with my Hunt showdown passion

[frozen swift]

winnie at 100m to upper chest is fucking 29

it definitely needed this buff

i think most guns just need less dropoff overall this is asinine

[keen bolt]

I mean ...

Medium ammo isn'tthat different from compact pass certain distance

[frozen swift]

it really isnt you are right

[boreal gale]

Medium ammo is just compact ammo with a slower rate of fire at this point. Make drop off start at 30 m and we have something useable.

[keen bolt]

It's basically "power of long" within 40m

Nah not even drop starting at 30m will help

[frozen swift]

im glad most people at least recognize that the compact buff is deserved

[keen bolt]

Overall the damage curve is just horrible

Also what got buffed is headshot multiplier

[frozen swift]

people are mostly just pissed medium didnt get buffed alongside it

not even body damage?

jesus that is a shit buff

[keen bolt]

Not body damage

[frozen swift]

a bullet doing 29 damage from a rifle at 100m is insane

[keen bolt]

Compact is shit beyond 50m

[boreal gale]

It allows high velocity winnie to compete really well if you can click heads.

[frozen swift]

even if you say its not smokeless powder oh and older guns werent as good as newer ones and etc etc etc

[keen bolt]

If you can click heads yes

Basically it's this

1. Compact - good within the compound/high rof/god awful range

2. Medium - good for half a compound fight/moderate rof/poor range

3. Long - provided you can aim - every range/moderate rof/excellent range

[frozen swift]

this is a fucking musket

and i get that its a game and it doesnt need this much power

but 29 damage is just silly

[boreal gale]

Medium is just bad. Martini is similar price and just better.

[frozen swift]

martini is also semi trash though lol

[boreal gale]

Excepting springy ofcourse

[frozen swift]

400m/s makes me so sad

[boreal gale]

Sure but i'd rather take it over medium ammo.

[frozen swift]

martini is mostly good as a cqc long ammo gun

martini bayonet + uppercut

[boreal gale]

I've started to really enjoy sparks/martini with hand crossbow with poison. The kill rate was highly unexpected.

[frozen swift]

also a fun combo ye

cant wait for sparks poison + poison sight + beetle btw

[keen bolt]

Actually...

[frozen swift]

which is gonna be fucking ridiculous if it makes it in

[keen bolt]

Martini reloads at 2 sec

[frozen swift]

3

martini 3 sparks 4

[boreal gale]

it's 2

[frozen swift]

wait what

the fuck

when did this change i swear it was 3

[keen bolt]

2... Yup

[boreal gale]

The stat page lies. It reloads faster than springy

[keen bolt]

2.38

[frozen swift]

oh my god that's pretty good

[keen bolt]

Stats page are full of bs

Don't believe it at face value

Also ... Centennial doesn't get 20% buffed

It's also a lie!

[frozen swift]

ofc

[keen bolt]

Yup it's basically 42-43 rpm right now

Which is a bit slower than vet

It should actually be 47

But AGAIN ...Hunt dev

They lie as they breathe (sometimes)

[signal mural]

I, for one, appreciate your feedback and glad you're looking at the specs to refine your analysis of the state of the game. However, I refrained from voting on your suggestions because they feel like too unrefined, like your fighting fire-with-fire.

Increasing the med kit usage isn't a solution just as much as them spiking the cost of vitality shots up. (Frontiersman would make for 5 heals on a medkit, and overtly drawn out fights with infinite red skull revives would just be strengthened).

[eager notch]

This man upvotes himself in suggestions because he wants to use Red dead hog tying

[signal mural]

Huh?

[eager notch]

That would be SO overpowered

[frozen swift]

its not that weird to upvote yourself in suggestions

[keen bolt]

Which lne😂?

One

[eager notch]

#game-ideas message

[signal mural]

Is that Harold?!

[eager notch]

Can you imagine, some Cain running at you with a rope to hog tie you and then frag you?

[keen bolt]

Lmaooo

[keen bolt]

It's actually kinda satire post

Kinda

[eager notch]

I almost want that to be added just for April's fools some day

[keen bolt]

I agree

Tbh...

I got so mad with the stuff changing me and my friends actually deleted hunt

Yeah that happened

[eager notch]

I understand how you feel. Unfortunately it is all based around balancing though so, has to change

[keen bolt]

I don't understand why making vit shot basically cost 100$ a shot helps anything

If anything this patch forces shotgun player to either

1. Pay up
2. Camp
3. Switch to rifles

Or well... Stopped playing

[frozen swift]

"Oh, you like to go in with barebones loadouts? Fuck you then."

[eager notch]

Wait WHAT, it's 100 now?

[keen bolt]

YHUP!

[signal mural]

I know, but that's why it's not really vote-able, ya know?

[eager notch]

Dear lord wtf

[keen bolt]

I know 😂

[keen bolt]

How's that for a balance!

Also knife goes up by 10$

[frozen swift]

this is especially annoying for prestige players who want to unlock the fat vitality shot asap

[eager notch]

That's ROUGH...

[keen bolt]

For abso-fucking-lutely no reason

[frozen swift]

as now the fat vitality is 200$ to even unlock

[eager notch]

The negative to having a vit shot was already that you used a space for anything else

[boreal gale]

Who needs vit shots when ghoul got buffed to broken tier?

[eager notch]

And 65 dollars per shot adds up quick

[frozen swift]

true ghoul is way too strong

[eager notch]

And then they buff ghoul? Wtf

[frozen swift]

it was already one of the better perks but with infinite range, working on any monster and at 3 points its too good

lightfoot is also 6 points now

[keen bolt]

Now that you know the reality

[hexed shale]

ghoul was not ever a "better" perk lol

[keen bolt]

Would you still support the 'balancing'😂

[boreal gale]

Ghoul is now the best perk in the game.

[frozen swift]

ghoul is amazing what are you talking about

[keen bolt]

Also Spitzer got cheaperrrrr

[eager notch]

Wasn't ghoul able to push you to the next health bar almost like a regen shot?

[keen bolt]

And slugs too!

[frozen swift]

yes

[eager notch]

And this man is saying it's bad?

Wtf

[frozen swift]

if you are down a big bar killing 1 monster can give you that bar refilled assuming it isnt burnt off

[boreal gale]

Bush wookies going to have fun.

[eager notch]

It's like one of the first perks I take

[hexed shale]

ghoul is good now, but ghoul was garbage previously

[keen bolt]

Ghoul was okay before now it's a must take

[frozen swift]

ive had plenty of times where ghoul saved my life

[eager notch]

Again... you basically have a perm passive that allows you to gain a bar back. Why would that need a buff?

[frozen swift]

out of meds, run away, kill grunts while running, full health again

[keen bolt]

With stamina cost 100$ and heal costing 100$

Ghoul is now S tier

[boreal gale]

Won't even need to take medkits anymore. Trap meta with ghoul.

[frozen swift]

new meta will be poison sight sparks poison with beetle + ghoul

[keen bolt]

Can't wait till silencer camper shoot 2 grunt and be 150 HP now lmaooo

[eager notch]

How much did they buff ghoul? I'm going to quickly see how busted it is now

[hexed shale]

conduit is stornk now

[frozen swift]

its like i said

infinite range, works on any monster

3 perk points to buy

[boreal gale]

Winfield silencer with high velocity begs to differ

[eager notch]

No way... no actual way

Please tell me you're joking

[keen bolt]

No

[frozen swift]

nope

[keen bolt]

We're serious

[eager notch]

WTF Lol

[frozen swift]

doctor is also 9 points now

:3

[keen bolt]

This is why I was so strongly against this wtf changes

[eager notch]

The whole point was that it was fairly risk reward. You got a small health back and needed to basically melee

[keen bolt]

Also every trait you know and loved are now +1 points

Packmule? 4 points

[eager notch]

Okay to be fair, fanning going up isn't TOO bad

[boreal gale]

All they had to do was nerf uppercut sway and buff medium ammo drop off and the game would have been perfect.

[keen bolt]

Gator legs? 3

[eager notch]

Gator went up?

[keen bolt]

Yup

[boreal gale]

How dare they

[eager notch]

I'm going to die

[keen bolt]

Everything making your life easier goes up

[eager notch]

WOW

OKAY. I see what you guys mean

Gator was like... just quality of life wtf

[keen bolt]

This is why I HATE THIS PATCH

[frozen swift]

top and bottom here

i think these are insane as well

[keen bolt]

Like legit 7 people quit on my side

[frozen swift]

snipers did not need to spend even less points for their perks

[keen bolt]

7... Quit today

[boreal gale]

Snipers are going to be a ballache with their cheap spitzer. I hate it.

[eager notch]

Make that 8

I will not play until that's patched out lol

[keen bolt]

Me and like 6 of my friends

Just uninstall hunt today

But well they are happy to buy me a new game

So who am I to complain

[frozen swift]

i also hope you arent a vigor fan like me

because it's cheaper

but also

[keen bolt]

Yup

[boreal gale]

Vigor when ghoul exists.

[eager notch]

Holy shit

[keen bolt]

Also

Rank changes are insane

[frozen swift]

vigor + ghoul is amazing wdym

[keen bolt]

Pax is rank 50 something now

[eager notch]

Okay I see what you mean Vet

[keen bolt]

Have fun

[frozen swift]

yea pax is insane rank

[eager notch]

I disagree with changes lol

[frozen swift]

idk why

at least pax is cheaper

which was a good change

[boreal gale]

80 bucks is not cheap enough

[frozen swift]

nah its fine

pax is powerful

easy two-tap 90% of the time

[keen bolt]

Like bro 105$ for conversion with fmj lmaooooooooo

414$ for uppercut?!😂😂😂😂😂

I died

[eager notch]

Wait with jacket or just in general now?

[boreal gale]

Bulk buying uppercuts right now.

[eager notch]

414 for uppercut base?

[keen bolt]

Yup

[keen bolt]

Base

[eager notch]

BRO WTF

[keen bolt]

414$

[eager notch]

LOL

Dude... that's 2 bornheims

[keen bolt]

You know this is the patch shotgun DIE

[keen bolt]

More like ...4 bornheim now!

Cause it just got cheaper lmao

[eager notch]

BRO No

[frozen swift]

base bornheim now 141

honestly i think its fine

[boreal gale]

I predict shotguns will be limited to romero hatchet with obrez.

[frozen swift]

bornheim wasnt that good with the new army and stuff being there that it needed to be so expensive

[eager notch]

Did a child get ahold of the computer and smash their fingers into the numbers when deciding the new costs?

[frozen swift]

because FUCK you for using meme builds

not allowed

[keen bolt]

YUP😂

[eager notch]

Omfg

It gets worse and worse

[frozen swift]

dont worry

it gets

[eager notch]

Next you'll say that mosin gets buff

[frozen swift]

EVEN WORSE

[eager notch]

Omg...

The reason to buy the romero is now not worth it even

[boreal gale]

I'd call cheaper spitzer a mosin buff

[eager notch]

I wanna die

[keen bolt]

Also ... For those who thinks to migrate to Springfield

[eager notch]

Dudes... I see why you said it was bad

[keen bolt]

Dum dum is still 50$

Lmao cause fuck you

No buff for that!😂

[frozen swift]

springfield does fucking no damage at range either so uh enjoy that

[eager notch]

And it's a garbo weapon (personally thinking)

[frozen swift]

also be ready to enjoy tons of concertina fucking everywhere

already one of the worst mechanics now gets worse

[eager notch]

So they basically broke the game in 1 fell swoop

[keen bolt]

AnTiCaMpInG pAtCh

[eager notch]

Okay...

[boreal gale]

Did bow get a buff? Been trash since they nerfed it after release, even with the perk

[frozen swift]

wdym bow is amazing

faster crossbow with slightly less damage but essentially 0 dropoff

[keen bolt]

Uh yeah... Hundreds hands gets cheaper

[boreal gale]

Too many arms in the way.

[frozen swift]

are you playing 4:3 lol

[eager notch]

Agreed. 3/4 of your screen is just bow and arms

[frozen swift]

eh i dont mind that too much but each to their own

[eager notch]

Without aiming...

[eager notch]

And FMJ nerf

[frozen swift]

okay now PERSONALLY i think the slugs are fine

[keen bolt]

But ...but... High velocity buff!

[eager notch]

Why not just make us all battle with mosin and melee then? Oh wait... they nerf'd melee

[frozen swift]

but spitzer is insane

[eager notch]

So sniper camper's wet dream

[boreal gale]

I can't wait to mosin sniper spitzer from the lighthouse. So much salt to collect.

[eager notch]

For an anti-camper patch?

[frozen swift]

tbf they did make snipers more expensive

sadly this is entirely fucking irrelevant because they dont die anyways

they just sit in a bush, take 5 shots and leave the match

[boreal gale]

Two stam shots and snipers are invincible.

[eager notch]

Cain mains amirite

[frozen swift]

hey i main cain

but i play shotguns and shit

[eager notch]

Yeah then you're a cool cain

[frozen swift]

i just like to not get instaspotted if i have to hide

[keen bolt]

with no more ranged options for shotgun guess how will they play - within the compound
...
Aka more camping

Yayyyy

[boreal gale]

Totally bought that DLC for the shotgun skin...

[eager notch]

Not the average cain

Isn't the gun fights supposed to brought to a middle-ground? Not sending us either SUPER far range or SUPER close range....

[boreal gale]

Yeah but now they got a beetle to tell them when someone is outside the door.

[frozen swift]

tbf beetle is pretty good for anti-camp

[keen bolt]

Apparently they say fuck you for this idea

[frozen swift]

seeing as it lets you ping a player and have them be wallbanged to all shit

[keen bolt]

Looking all the changes

[boreal gale]

Beetle is good for camp too

[eager notch]

Well, now I see the changes, I switch my mind. You're right vett lol

[frozen swift]

yea it kinda benefits both sides

[eager notch]

Time to stop playing for a little while

[frozen swift]

no need

[boreal gale]

The biggest mistakes dev ever did was putting scopes in the game. It was a better game without them.

[frozen swift]

its just test server

if they implement them for real then like, sure

but yknow they are testing these changes

[keen bolt]

Guess what? They will

[frozen swift]

probably

[eager notch]

I doubt they'll listen to the community though. No doubt they'll listen to the top 5% and streamers

[frozen swift]

but until then theyre not in yet

[keen bolt]

Only famous streamer has a say in this

[eager notch]

Literally XD

[keen bolt]

Just look how RachtaZ can say new army is op

So it's what it is now

It was supposed to have 300m/s and 18 ammo in Reserve and less recoil

But cost like 130$

Now it's officer but forced (at rank 12)

[eager notch]

#game-ideas message so makes it contraband basically to some degree? @signal mural

[frozen swift]

that would be way too good

[boreal gale]

They listened to a dude with vac ban when balancing their game?

[frozen swift]

tbh i think new army is good in its niche

its an officer with faster reload if you empty your cylinder

and slightly higher dmg

[keen bolt]

Ash ... You know the compact damage drop

29 at 100m remember?

[frozen swift]

thats why i said in its niche

its good as a close range pistol

[eager notch]

Did they nerf compact too?

[frozen swift]

no

[keen bolt]

Slightly more damage at close range but not even breaking 100 threshold

[frozen swift]

compact got a buff

but it makes medium useless

[eager notch]

I was about to say

[frozen swift]

so medium needs a buff too

[eager notch]

Wtf

[boreal gale]

Medium was always useless. Long too darn strong

[keen bolt]

190m with fmj I think

Compact ammo..

150 normally

[frozen swift]

like this is a good change

but it just shows how badly medium needs a buff

[eager notch]

Win buff

Yeah

[boreal gale]

Silencer high velocity winfield is going to be fun to troll with.

[frozen swift]

winnie needs a slower levering rof IMO so its less of a spam gun

not by much

but like, a little

10% or so

@eager notch there were good changes in this patch a lot too

just a lot of bad ones accompanying them

[signal mural]

Not even because players would abuse that by buying gear on a dummy Hunter & giving it to other Hunters to play out of their roster.

[eager notch]

Alright. I kinda like the idea tbh

Hard up for cash, high risk, high reward type of deal

[eager notch]

Not sure why this wasn't in already tbh

[frozen swift]

yea much like the talons this is just a good change

still want winnie talon to not be pay to win tho

night terrors is literal p2w

[keen bolt]

It's there to 'nerf' and prevent Winfield for being too op

[eager notch]

Wouldn't know. I don't have cash, Third-world problems

[frozen swift]

wdym

[keen bolt]

I mean to not be a direct upgrade to normal winny

With no Downside is what I mean

[frozen swift]

but its already not because its worse for immolators

essentially forces you to take knuckles

[keen bolt]

Psst Listen

[frozen swift]

and even if that wasnt the case

[keen bolt]

It's from the era Winfield shoots 100rom

[eager notch]

Well knuckle-knife is pretty much solid for everything anyway

[keen bolt]

Rpm

[frozen swift]

you cant say that its there to nerf the winnie talon and then not have it there for one skin

[keen bolt]

Aka 2018-19 hunt

Night terror came out way later

[frozen swift]

well just delete the ruddy thing from the other skins

easy clap

and base ofc

[keen bolt]

I agree with that tbh

Ugly af

[atomic violet]

Take a look at the test servers actually and you will find a lot! of guys trying to play this combo

[atomic violet]

so, whats your point of still hanging out here? 🤔

[frozen swift]

they want the game to be better so they can play it again

i feel like that was fairly obvious but ok

[signal mural]

I don't get this Elitist mentality that's been plaguing the Community lately.

Maybe it's just my IRL day, but reveling in others people's disappointment is toxic behavior, rage-quitting too, and Gatekeeping too.

Hunt: Showdown has a pretty diverse community with a lot of different expectations and wishes. Expressing concern for a game and it's balance is fine and good as long as it isn't generating this toxicity.

Diversity, variety, returning incentives, and viable different playstyles keeps a gaming Community alive. If you can't back that, then you're being selfish and killing something ultimately that you too enjoy.

Sorry - rant over.

[keen bolt]

Cause I love the game obviously

[keen bolt]

This is the reason I'm still around

[atomic violet]

Well, in this case, you and your friends should re-install the game and try to handle the patches in a more relaxed way 🥰

[keen bolt]

Maybe I will

If they actually won't go through some of the changes

Especially the Healing nerf

No way in hell am I ok with 100$ per heal

[keen bolt]

Considering I've been playing it since it came out early. I could say I never hated a patch before.

This one however is total shit and I'm pissed

[iron trench]

I'm still trying to find the "anticamping" mechanic in this beetle...

[keen bolt]

Believe it or not I'm not against the beetle

But the rest of the patches

[signal mural]

But it's not live yet, it is on the Test server. So, keep giving critical feedback and maybe somethings will see a change.

[wicked frost]

beetle bad no beetle please thanks

[steel dawn]

So you can sticky the beetle? Psycho said you couldn’t

[soft river]

@signal mural i like the idea

but 150m is a long distance

50m sounds more reasonable

maybe a little longer for the beetle part

[signal mural]

150M is the Bug's distance from it's Hunter pilot so I thought that seemed fair.

Half, also 75m, was the suggested range vs Hunters but that might be too far idk. I just thought it could be an interesting trait without getting too much clear location info about an enemy.

1/3rd the distance - 50m vs Hunters sounds good to me too.

[inner loom]

It's not like the people that do this have any farsight.

[crude hollow]

Matchmaking appears to now be broken. Just got out of solo play. I am MMR four. Other team was two MMR fives

[warm zephyr]

@marsh path lmao your heart is at a right place but you can't say anything about what the community wants if you don't understand why the scottfield can't have high mv. This discussion literally happened before but it's apparent that you've learnt nothing

[signal mural]

"He does not preach what he practices till he has practiced what he preaches."

[sly frost]

The price changes for weapons and traits as well as the rank unlock changes are ridiculous.

[torn sage]

use diffrent loadouts

[sly frost]

I would like to say that’s solid logic but why should I be forced to use guns I wouldn’t normally because of nonsensical price changes? $414 over $275? How does that even make sense? I’m comfortable with most weapons but as someone who casually sits at around 10-15k I don’t have the allowance for these kinds of price changes. So using a different loadout isn’t really a viable option or a good argument when all weapon prices are being inflated exponentially.

[torn sage]

your argument is exactly why they changed the prices. homereel did a video couple days ago over alot of the changes on the dev stream. also there not all being raised just the guns with the most use. my guess and im not trying to be insulting is you may not be relying on meta builds instead of adjusting your play style for your loadout. myself i find i play better and more aggressivly with a crap gun from the freeload screen then i do with a tweeked out lebel. i run about a 5k bank i dont spend money on 400$ plus guns i find i get more Ws putting the money into consumables.

[late wind]

My thoughts on the gun balance are pretty simple. If you didn't want the most powerful guns to go up in price, you should've thought of that before using them every game.

[atomic cipher]

Balancing / forcing the usage of other guns with PRICE is the most incompetent and lazy move I've seen. Instead of adjusting and really balancing other guns they go with this. What a fail

[somber harbor]

Maybe dont design one pistol to outclass the rest of them at range lol

The fact a pistol can one tap ppl that have been downed once with 6 shots in it is wack

Sparps should be the only one to one tap someone thats been downed up close

[late wind]

People couldn't bear the thought of their precious pocket rifle getting a nerf so instead now it costs 400$. Poetic. But ultimately pointless.

[somber harbor]

Nerf it regardless

[late wind]

I agree lmao.

[somber harbor]

If it needs a nerf then it needs a nerf

[quick kettle]

Dolch v2

[somber harbor]

Just make it to 124 at 10m

[quick kettle]

It’s gonna be nerfed and cost an arm and a leg

[somber harbor]

Literally lol

Dolch needs its price brought down lol, meme weapon now

[quick kettle]

Ya, I would’ve preferred a nerf than a steep price hike

[somber harbor]

Id rather a nerf than have it be unusable if I prestige

Nitro nd avto are expensive yet offer great reward for using them

Uppercut is 400 to balance out a shotgun at range lol

Nerfed uppercut once to try and make ppl use sparps when it came out, then up its price because no one used sparps

Just make the sparps the close range one tap to a 125 hp hunter

Sinple really

[wispy snow]

It's also IMO just easier/more intuitive to unlock the uppercut compared to sparks pistol.

[hearty rivet]

https://youtu.be/vvlwpmTaHHA

[queen jungle]

I can’t believe how many people are whining about everything.

I stg this community can be like a bunch of children at times 🤦🏻‍♂️

[main cradle]

It’s the hunt discord community

And that’s someone who’s a flat up pain

The fuck did I even delete I just edited

And who cares try talking to him for two hours

[agile elbow]

literally everybody crying about the strongest and most used weapons/consumables/traits in the game getting price changes accordingly. Uppercut is the most used gun in the game and idc what anybody says after they tweaked the damage on it, it was a straight up buff. The most used gun in the game double in price? Makes sense.+++++++++++++++ but on a serious note crytek I think the flashbomb could use a price increase to be around the hellfire bomb, that like $70-$80 range

[fathom geyser]

true and real

[agile elbow]

the uppercut is still better, the sparks pistol is fun and cool but it will never replace the uppercut

[queen jungle]

I don't think a wiki would be worth the investment

[wispy snow]

Didn't say otherwise.

[fathom geyser]

thats sad

[mellow iron]

Imo, I do agree with Uppercut Price Increase, many other? No

[fathom geyser]

many others, such as?

[mellow iron]

Knife, Small Heal Shot, Conversion Pistol, Winfield, etcetc

also Axe

[fathom geyser]

oh no, the 3 slot weapon axe costs 15€, how can this be its basically unaffordable now

like, what

[mellow iron]

That's not the point

It's just WHY?

I mean, You could shoot your leg, but SHOULD YOU?

[fathom geyser]

also conversion pistol has always been one of the better weapons in this game, while at the same time costing as much as the shitty nagant. it deserved the price up

[mellow iron]

Ok that's fair point

would be better if Nagant got buff or smt

[fathom geyser]

yeah

[agile elbow]

conversion is the strongest compact pistol in the game with around a 35m two tap, little sway, decent sites, amazing fanning, its fast and hardly kicks. Plus FMJ made it a monster for what? $50? So they increased it. Axe i think was increased to just be closer in line with melee tools tbh

[fathom geyser]

yep

the best fanning in the game, might i add

[mellow iron]

Well still it's just... not really good reason.

(for axe)

[fathom geyser]

why though

it costing 5 or 15 makes no difference

no one buys it

ever

unless theyre meme'ing

or to unlock throwing axe

yeah :(

[mellow iron]

Tbh, I really wish we could have ability to Tomahawk our Axe

[fathom geyser]

not to mention you cant find any of the accurate reliable info in the same place

[mellow iron]

or just Tomahawk as normal ability

[fathom geyser]

tomahawk shouldnt be a trait to begin with

change my mind

[queen jungle]

Most of the info on the wiki is pretty accurate and there are some devs contributing in there. Most notably Fab

[fathom geyser]

oh my bad

[mellow iron]

bruh

[fathom geyser]

its still pretty badly organized though

[mellow iron]

I really hope Crytek would walk back on many Price/Trait change tho

[fathom geyser]

look at this mess on the FRONT PAGE

[mellow iron]

I just don't like increase on many like Gator Leg and Mobility Traits

Shits are used a lot, but for reasons

[agile elbow]

thats exactly why it was increased

[fathom geyser]

also why are there no hp values for mobs anywhere 🤔

same with weakspots

its still unclear whether the meathead has a weakspot on the shoulder or not

[queen jungle]

Such info has never been published. Probably to avoid people abusing it.

[fathom geyser]

abusing it how?

[mellow iron]

iirc Meathead got no weakspot

[fathom geyser]

i would love to know which weapons i can use most effectively against which mob

[agile elbow]

90% of the changes were based on what the community used, and they used them because they were good, so the stronger weapons and shit should cost more. The other 10% of the changes were a semi nerf to the uppercut and long ammo scopes

[fathom geyser]

hey

dont be rude

[agile elbow]

traits were increased based on pick rate

[main cradle]

It’s stag

He’s one person that gives me a migraine when I try to discuss his suggestions.

[queen jungle]

I know some people would like Hunt to be an Excel sheet

[mellow iron]

Still, god it gonna make Prestige not fun

[main cradle]

Cause in the end it’s just muh game not realistic enough

[mellow iron]

idk the beetle feel more like supporting camper than agaisnt them

[fathom geyser]

in a competetive pvp game, stats simply are important.

[mellow iron]

(Keyword: Feel)

[main cradle]

I stoped having any inch of respect when he said that cause the mosin bolt was curved it artificially increased the rpm

[queen jungle]

You die, you die. You kill, you kill. Easy as that. Having all those stats just leads to people min-maxing things which really kills the fun tbh

[fathom geyser]

thats your opinion

some like min maxing

especially in this hardcore economy based game

tfw new buffed winfield has nearly the same headshot range as the springfield lmao (buff medium ammo pls)

[frozen swift]

thats a bad take ngl

if i didnt know the bornheim's damage i'd be constantly frustrated as to why my bullets did less than the enemies

[queen jungle]

They don't. Unless the circumstances are different.

[frozen swift]

except they do

''the enemy hit my upper torso twice and i died but i hit theirs twice too?!''

you need stats to sell people on using one gun over another

[queen jungle]

In such a case something must have been different. The game does not vary dmg per players.

[fathom geyser]

what

[frozen swift]

i'm saying if im using a bornheim and they are using say a pax

it has to be

if i didnt know guns had different damage and damage range i'd use literally nothing but bornheim match

[queen jungle]

if i didnt know the bornheim's damage i'd be constantly frustrated as to why my bullets did less than the enemies
Your statement did not mention anything of a Pax.

[frozen swift]

it implied that they had a different gun

[frozen swift]

this implies my bullets would do less than the enemies' because its the bornheim

[queen jungle]

No? You mentioned Bornheim and continued saying "enemy's", implying they also use a Bornheim...

[frozen swift]

my bullets

vs their bullets

[queen jungle]

Nope, I simply disagree. And considering Crytek hasn't given info such as AI HP, I'm fairly confident they do as well.

[frozen swift]

do you enjoy dying in a game where a match is likely to take 15 minutes at minimum because the game forces you to experiment with guns to figure out damage range

when there is no shooting range

this is why stats are important

because i sure dont enjoy that type of scenario

stats are the reason we know the uppercut one-taps at 125hp without having to experiment, allowing us to pick a loadout based around what we want to do, giving us the info rather than forcing us to find it out ourselves and make our own spreadsheets

if you dont want to minmax that's fine, neither do i honestly

but like, stats are a good thing dude

just because i know a specter handcannon is shit doesnt stop me from using it

it just makes me aware its shit and allows me to meme

[subtle elbow]

Hey

Specter Compact is based

Don’t you trash on my lil baby

[frozen swift]

i hate to say this

but your baby is ugly man

[subtle elbow]

Thank you, swamp. It’s a very beautiful dumpster baby

[frozen swift]

do you have a bot set up to ping you every time someone disses the specter compact

so you can defend your child

because man that response was quick and out of nowhere

[subtle elbow]

Uh

Uhm

😅 no…

[somber harbor]

@fathom geyser I say they just add this info to the game, not a 3rd party website

[frozen swift]

i mean true we have a book of monsters after all

[subtle elbow]

I’d prefer the in-store stats to get some revision tbh

[frozen swift]

ye

handling means nothing

[subtle elbow]

I personally don’t care for knowing AI health values or anything

[frozen swift]

what is 2% handling

[subtle elbow]

I just know that two light attacks on a knife can kill a grunt

[somber harbor]

I just want to know what damage guns do at distance

[frozen swift]

theres a website for that

[subtle elbow]

There’s a calculator for that

[somber harbor]

because as I've said before, nitro shredder extends the one tap range by 30m WITH NO MENTION INGAME

[frozen swift]

https://nixatek.com/DamageCalculator.html

[subtle elbow]

It’s all based on public info tho

[somber harbor]

yeah so it has a chance to be inaccurate

[subtle elbow]

Some stuff isn’t available. Like FMJ on certain weapons

[trail carbon]

Quick Swap is still a mechanic, it was just heavily nerfed

[fathom geyser]

buys 10000 axes before update
sells them for a profit

ez

fuck i can only own 5

scam failed

[trail carbon]

No

Unless it was in Beta, as that was before I played

[queen jungle]

Nope, there never was such a trait

[trail carbon]

Yeah, I I believe you are thinking of the Quick Swap mechanic @queen jungle

But, as far as I'm aware, nothing has ever been explicitly removed from the game. I personally don't want Bulwark and Hornskin removed per say, but I would like a change for them as I heavily dislike invisible armor

At the very least, make Bulwark not effect the bomblance harpoon, as it is the hardest skill shot in the game

[worthy knoll]

I will

[frozen swift]

@unborn sandal out of curiosity, why are you against dropping a bounty? I dont mind you having a different opinion, i'd just like to see your perspective.

[unborn sandal]

People would use all 5 seconds and drop it every single time . There needs to be some some penalty for getting 5 seconds of wall hacks, like the current lightning mark on the map. The only way I see dropping bounty would be allowable is if you have a full 5 seconds (either from looting bodies or from simply not using seconds)

[frozen swift]

I can see that. Could have a map marker for the next 5 minutes or something if you do drop a bounty. This would also de-incentivize using it as bait.

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[frozen swift]

Would punish you for chickening out

[fathom geyser]

lmao

[vital drum]

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[sharp arrow]

It is a suggestion since it changes the direction for it.

But- I'll change my language for that next time.

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[stray horizon]

oh did not know that lol

[trail carbon]

@quasi thistle You can already see the beetle in darksight within about 70ish meters

Also don't know if serpent disabling it is really necessary because it moves slow and is easy to shoot

[quasi thistle]

It would be a really nice stealth counter and fits in with the lore.

[stray horizon]

I think it would be sweet if serpent could take it over

would be a solid counter

[trail carbon]

Take over would be funny

But I think destroying it is probably better

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[reef raven]

After playing on the test server for a while i'd like to give some feedback. I think that the beetle is pretty great, but needs refinement. Here are my suggestions/concerns: I think that the beetle should be removed as a consumable and turned into a trait. I think its capabilities can change the outcome of the fight so much that it shouldn't be available for a default loadout except from a random legendary hunter. My thought is that the beetle would require the Hunter to use an atypical form of "magic". Only hunters that have the trait could utilize the beetles that are dropped or found in the world. I think that other hunters should be able to collect a beetle or destroy a beetle location, but the beetle should be inventoried separately from consumables and tools. I also think the beetle should not do bleed damage, keep poison, and do 10 damage instead of 5. You should only be able to carry 1-2 beetles at a time.

[hot vigil]

I think the reason why it is an consumable is due to the framework of Hunt, we don't/can't have any perks that is activatable as it would require a new dedicated key press (and coding) to do so.
And as far I know, the button mapping on console is already quite stuffed, so even if it could be coded in, it might just not be feasible on a physical limitation level.
Not to deminish your feedback ofc, good insight, just something to keep in mind 🙂

[unborn dagger]

Beetle is a consumable? I honestly thought it would be a tool but then again I guess it makes sense.

[stray horizon]

I'm surprised it's a consumable and not a tool though

like it's one thing if you have to choose between taking it and traps or a knife or something but taking it or just a dynamite stick is a no-brainer

literally everyone is always going to have one

[queen jungle]

@fathom geyser A official wiki would be somewhat annoying to maintain considering the amount of tweaking and balancing they do. Each time they patch the damage, they'd have to update the wiki. Personally I rather them work on the game than on supplemental website information.

[queen jungle]

The Beetle as a consumable means they can't reuse it as many times as they want. I always wondered why players wanted the medkit to be a consumable. Once you use a consumable, the item is gone. But as a tool you can recharge it with a loot box. Medkits are so important it should be a tool. If not, by the time you reach bounty you may not have any medkits left to fight players due to using them all up against PVE enemies.

[fathom geyser]

the amount of "tweaking" and "balancing" they do once every few months can be edited in minutes.

its nothing

unless they add 10 new weapons each requiring new wiki pages, small edits take no time at all

[queen jungle]

I think it's a lot of busy work that doesn't need to exist.

[fathom geyser]

its no busy work and can be done by the community, all crytek needs to do is add unobtainable info

[fathom geyser]

.

[unborn dagger]

Honestly why aren't medkits free, it is a tool that is needed at all times

[queen jungle]

People are asking for all free hunters to have medkits in the loadout.

It makes sense.

[unborn dagger]

It does but at that wouldn't it also make sense to make it free or even be a part of hunters? Unless crytek is adding in another way of healing like killing a hunter heals you

I mean you are going to get a free hunter regardless of the outcome of the match

[queen jungle]

Yeah it makes sense but that tool slot only has 4 spaces.

[unborn dagger]

True

[queen jungle]

Some may want to play crazy and only add traps.

The medkit isn't "necessary" to play, but it's ideal to have one. Otherwise you're just there to fool around.

If money wasn't an object, I'd get 4 vitality shots and 4 traps.

[balmy sparrow]

4 traps?

Concertina, alert, poison
Uhhh

[queen jungle]

Yeah those poison and concertina combo

[balmy sparrow]

Oh you mean
Just that

[queen jungle]

2 Concertina and 2 Poison Trap tools

4 traps

[balmy sparrow]

Ye

I was thinking of 4 trap tools

And got confused as to what's the fourth tool

[queen jungle]

Well people have suggested making a 4th trap tool. Flash bomb or small explosive.

[unborn dagger]

Gimme dat flash bomb trap

Small explosive trap is a no tho.

[balmy sparrow]

Just make dauntless not pop dynamite out of existence so we can alert trip mine the bomb

[queen jungle]

Please god yes.

[queen jungle]

It’s going to be so great 😁

[stray horizon]

yeah I'm looking forward to trying it it should be wild

[worthy knoll]

And it should be like that. ALL hunters should have one equipped.

[balmy sparrow]

Why would they
It's necessary only if you plan on getting hit

You can easily heal off small random damage after encounters using world health packs

[daring isle]

Found this and thought it would be good to put it out there in the hope Crytek will do something about the abysmal performance of the servers.

Some interesting notes:

The main database server is located in the United States (Washington, DC)...

Which means, buying/selling items and interacting with UI elements will feel slightly delayed for EU players (majority of player base).

A separate logging server is used while playing, also located in the US.

For a competitive shooter, a 30hz update from the server is far too low, as we'll see from the observations made below...

Movement suffers, as the server holds authority over positions, while corrections from the server aren't as frequent as they could be, leading to teleports and sliding off of certain surfaces.

Hit registration suffers, though Crytek made it clear that clients hold most authority over shots, as they prefer to increase high ping players' experiences, while region appropriate players suffer as a consequence (article).

A low tickrate means positions update less frequent and higher ping players will update their positions with an increased delay overall due to server update time and RTT (desync).

Crouching/moving behind terrain and objects will not be updated as frequent as it could be, resulting in more frequently receiving shots from expired positional data received by the opponent (example).

Positional updates and shots may be packed separately (judging by packet length), which could mean that either one has an ever lower update rate, though not conclusive at this moment.

An influx of data is pushed at the start, as seen on the graph. After which, a static tickrate of 29,7ms (~30Hz) is attempted by the server.

Based on the downstream rate, one can estimate the amount of people left on the server. Above 20KB/s means a full match, and below 10KB/s near empty. (Has been known for a year, doubt they'll fix it).

If anyone would a link to the actual reddit article, feel free to DM me.

[hollow nacelle]

Ok so Ive had some discussion over the beetle in 1.10 and adding a kinda overload to a trait like serpent/beastfave could work to counter the beetle in some situations where the bug is used to break gameplay (parked in trees so you cant see it for constant trio callouts etc) we also had a constant barrage of beetles at one point, should it not be a rare/careful use to spot campers for a push, not bombard with beetles for massive poison/bleed?

Keeping in mind once people realise an op use for beetles, that is all the game will become!

[queen jungle]

You're right. They will find loopholes to exploit making it extremely powerful.

I recently posted a suggestion against sniper campers by reworking the telescope. If the telescope can see a sniper's glint when they look through the scope, would that be a good idea?

[hollow nacelle]

Glint could help in general, i rarely see a sniper unless fully exposed to a shot and see the flash/smoke

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[eager notch]

^ 100% he just died to the avto in game

[mellow iron]

I really hope we could get Mission/Contract Map and Time indiciate like Apex Legend

Could really make taking Light Tool really matter, and not RNG depend if you get what time

[karmic ivy]

"as they prefer to increase high ping players' experiences, while region appropriate players suffer as a consequence (article)." Good laughs mate.
@daring isle Tick rate isn't everything.

[mellow iron]

Also Agree that some Glint for Sniper might really help fix the Sniper advantage problem.
Well it could be from Telescope as you said, Or when you face the Sniper direction while the sniper Point directly at you.
Tbh, that's like Sniper counter many game implement.

[soft river]

@broken moat its a bug

it could just be a client side bug

not loading in the UI correctly

i've noticed it too

but its very incosistent

sometimes it shows up, sometimes it doesn't

@broken moat in your bug report i've seen it when my team has all of the bounties too

not just solo

[covert sail]

for the new insect drone 150m is a lot. reduce it between 40m to 70m minimum, make the insect make more noise and more slower because you want to use it to scam some areas and not to be used like a regular air drone and last remove it from the world map and just make players to bring one from lobby those are mine recommended ideas because honestly that new insect is going to make players lazy and more campers than before they not going to even move soo devs do something pls.

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[trail carbon]

Have you played with the beetle yet?

Because in my opinion, the beetle is already loud as hell and fairly slow. Not to mention the fact that it isn't really that useful outside of scouting ahead.

Anti camping my ass

[native lodge]

its scouting drone that no one asked for

[trail carbon]

Yeah

[native lodge]

well I shouldn't say no one

[trail carbon]

You can see the bug in darksight

And you can just shoot it. It has one health

[native lodge]

yeah its here now, I'm just hoping it gets nerfed into useless at this point

[crystal plume]

For me the main joykill was always the stalemates with bounty people sitting inside a lair that is hard to breach, places like basements or buildings with walls you can't pen

And the drone is the perfect tool for those situations

And while I have the opinion that it's way easier to push out of stalemates like those than to push into a lair, it would also benefit the people inside if they are too afraid to make a move

[native lodge]

it benefits sitting outside

doesn't break concertina wire so if they wall themselves in its not helpful

[crystal plume]

It does

[native lodge]

it breaks wire?

[crystal plume]

If you blow it up near concertina wires it clears them yeah

[native lodge]

that should be its job in the first place tbh

[royal rune]

any chance you's can nerf the fragmentation pen on frag grenades,because consistently getting wall penned through brick walls and thick concrete walls like prisons by ceramic fragments is the dumbest crap ever

[crystal plume]

But I wouldn't use it for that personally since I want to save it for checking where the people are sitting inside to help my teammate push, I'd use something else to clear the concertina first if possible

[native lodge]

I would use it to patrol outside the lair and prevent people from leaving

which is what it is good at

[crystal plume]

That's one way to use it, I guess

Not that I think it's a good strat in any way but that's just me

[native lodge]

its good at keeping them sitting inside

[crystal plume]

I'd rather use it for breaking the stalemate as it's intended for rather than extending it

I want them to push out to fight them

[native lodge]

you may do it that way

I doubt thats the norm

its likley to die in the compound, when you could just patrol the escape routes

sending the recon drone into the compound just sounds like a good way to lose it

you said yourself its easy to shoot

and if it really is for siege breaking its line of sight could be lowered without issue

[crystal plume]

It's intended to be expendable, I doubt that I'm alone with the opinion that I'd rather break the stalemate before we both spend 20 minutes in it, and the way to do so safely now as the outside team would be to use the beetle to check which entrances they are holding and where they are sitting to help your teammate(s) make at least an initial push and then join them for it instead of letting them fight with lesser numbers

If you aren't gonna use it that way, that's fine, your loss

[native lodge]

I'm gonna use it to make the stale mates worse yes

[crystal plume]

But it's definitely an improvement to current stalemates and how they generally go

[native lodge]

hell I might even add some concertina to the build

[crystal plume]

Aight man good luck with that 😄

[dense schooner]

Biggest stalemates are against mosin snipers and that literally does not affect them negatively whatsoever

[native lodge]

hey got make it everyone elses problem if you want something nerfed

although seeing the suggestion ideas, seems nerfs to the beetle are pretty popular rn

#game-ideas message

maybe there is hope

or maybe I am coping

[crystal plume]

To be blunt, it's extremely unlikely for them to remove something that has already been worked on and implemented in a public build

It may get adjusted in some form, sure

[native lodge]

they won't remove it now no

[crystal plume]

But I also wouldn't hold my breath for them changing it from a drone to anything else either

[native lodge]

nerf it into obscurity tho that I could get behind

make it a meme

[unborn dagger]

Make it last one second and explode, that way no one can use it

[native lodge]

or if it really is for siege breaking, give it a LOS thats not much bigger than a room

if truly only to do that it won't need to see much further than a room

[stray horizon]

@wooden smelt lol too bad they'll never listen to the suggestion to remove suggestions

[limpid umbra]

nah see that would be fun

@worldly pagoda quit now before they realize you have become smart

[queen jungle]

I mean... apart from the fact that at this point dozens of suggestions have been implemented into the game. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[little carbon]

@wooden smelt you know that just because a suggestion is up voted a lot doesn't mean it's good from a game design perspective. A lot of people won't be able to fully predict the consequences of a lot of suggestions because they miss the theoretical knowledge required to do so. Also some suggestions might just not go into the content direction the game intents to be, even though they would be viable in theory.

[gritty grail]

do yall think they will remove the beetle when player numbers start dropping?

[eager notch]

I doubt numbers will drop due to a new addition in the game. Especially something as small as a beetle tool

[charred pine]

95% of people who say theyll quit due to this beetle will be back in a week

[eager notch]

Yes sir

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[knotty quarry]

woa

that idea for the double barrel is pretty epic

[queen jungle]

Ah yes, the death of Hunt, number 254