feedback-discussion

[unborn smelt]

Special ammo would allow it to have it's own tweaked dropoff or pen profile instead of needing to conform to the compact, medium, long restrictions

[hardy coral]

Make it cheaper than the long ammo bolt rifles. It suffers from ammo pickup and low relative damage, but it has high velocity and a great headshot multiplier.

[unborn smelt]

for example - and boom you have smth a bit more interesting than the same stuff but needs no bullet grubber

I'm sure many peeps won't like it, because the kreag is a very popular suggestion, and if it's not long ammo it likely won't be meta

But aside from the krag example, i wish they'd take that approach more often

[subtle elbow]

Like.

A Nock Volley Gun Mk. 2?

[unborn smelt]

Or lets make another example - i like what they tried for the Sparks pistol, but it having 149 dmg in a smol slot, just after they nerfed the already weak medium slot rifles for consistency because of the short barrel rubs me the wrong way

[hardy coral]

Like 110 damage, 300 metre headshot 700 m/s. 2 shot range at like 80-90 metres, 240 dollar price, 5/10 ammo capacity.

[unborn smelt]

they could have made it a fictional gun with special ammo and 149 dmg - and at least no make it fuel avtos like crazy

[subtle elbow]

I mean, yeah. I'd prefer if the medium slot weapons have less sway. The gun is lighter so it wouldn't be difficult to hold it steady. The recoil would be more considerable tho

[unborn smelt]

and maybe make the long ammo variant not quite as potent dmg wise, to conform to the other medium rifle consistency nerfs

[subtle elbow]

I would've like this:
Uppercut damage: 124 since it's a pistol with 6 bullets in a cylinder
Martini Pistol: Damage 130 (Like the old uppercut) since it's a single shot.

[hardy coral]

Make long bolt rifles deal 20 less damage from 0-30 metres, then have it creep back up to regular damage between 30-40 then start the regular falloff.

[unborn smelt]

I'm not sure i like that - i've thought about it often tho.

It worked in BF games for snipers

[hardy coral]

The problem is making it harder to push shotguns, make people more passive.

[subtle elbow]

It would encourage sniper fighters even more

Which isn't fun

Considering the average sniper isn't aggressive and is just passive

[unborn smelt]

I don't actiually mind sniper fights - usually you can just get the bounty and leave or make em move

[subtle elbow]

I hate sniper fights bc I hate fighting what I can't see

[unborn smelt]

Or who befoer played sniper for the massive easy bodyshot dmg - would now need to take smth more close range focused

[subtle elbow]

Which is why I don't like night maps and fog maps

[unborn smelt]

I dunno - i just got tired of the latest new guns real quick

[subtle elbow]

I like the Slate a lot

And Berthier is a cool gun, I just don't jive with it much

[hardy coral]

Slate doesn't really feel like it has a place, same issue with the terminus.

[unborn smelt]

just existing stuff with very minor tweaks that don't really feel unique or in any way impactful on the game to me

[subtle elbow]

Terminus has a place, it's just badly priced

[hardy coral]

New army is a worse officer imo. Berthier is the worst bolt rifle.

[unborn smelt]

berthier is just another new long ammo top tier rifle

slate is just specter +

[hardy coral]

Specter is better

Tighter spread, more range.

[subtle elbow]

Slate is just a less clunky specter. Literally

[unborn smelt]

but slate gets 50% more rof

[hardy coral]

And with slug nerfs Specter is the better one for slugs

[unborn smelt]

taking it from 40 rpm - which is looses to all pistols in 2 tap, and is equal to uppercut - to nearly 60 RPM besting all single action pistols, and even the Winnie

It's both a huge numerical increase, as well as a very important jump in ROF if compared to other weapons you're likely to encounter

[hardy coral]

The way I use the specter I'd get the one shot, the extra ammo is for the other players.

If you're using the slate like a rival then you can, sure.

[unborn smelt]

So it does not directly compete with the specter IMO - because what sets it apart from the specter is it has a bit less range, but by far enough ROF for a very agressive approach without ducking in cover between shots

[subtle elbow]

Rival is based

Imagine a secondary fire mode that allows you to fire both barrels at once

[unborn smelt]

where the specter is so slow, it needs to use all range it has and has to get that one tap to be able to compete in TTK with even the slowest pistols

[odd cosmos]

I was sure it didn't work... I'm stupid

[unborn smelt]

But in this nich the Romero kind of reigns supreme over the specter because it's got an extra bit more range and being dirt cheap on top

[hardy coral]

Defensive to aggresive shotguns

Romero-Alamo-Specter-Terminus-Slate-Rival-Crown

[unborn smelt]

So yes the specter is better than the Slate, at getting a OHK but it's far far worse than the slate at getting a 2 tap, fighting groups of enemies, or just slinging special ammo.

and where the specter is better than the Slate - reliable OHK, the Romero is even better, especially with the new alamo

[odd cosmos]

Defensive shotguns ? How can I eat that ?

[unborn smelt]

some shotguns are better used defensively - for example because of a lack of Rof, like the specter or Romero (which if you fail to kill or there's more than 1 guy shoots to slow to beat the ttk of many backup pistols being just as slow as a basic Uppercut) or a reduction in movement speed, like a levering terminus (which is great at saturating the area with lead, but the slowed movement during levering makes you an easy target if even slightly out of position)

But even tho they are better off defensively used than other shotguns, they are still good-enough in an agressive playstyle due to the up close OHK

[odd cosmos]

So that's why I systematically die when fighting against a team

[fluid locust]

yea I want a compact bolt action or maybe even a pump action. could be faster fire rate than a bolt and have fastish 2 tap but it's compact so range is trash. or a double barrel rifle. or a volcanic pistol (it'd be the first pistol that could use levering instead of fanning, and it'd need iron repeater to shoot while aimed so while technichally cheaper than buying fanning it'd require more perks thrown into it). or some more medium ammo weapons. and medium slot weapons. like sawn off veterreli or centenial.

[queen jungle]

@Raninero#4245 How is the specter the ‘worst shotgun’?

[steel dawn]

Nah I want the slate in every situation

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[radiant river]

@stable nimbus what's your PC specs

[stable nimbus]

Xbox

[radiant river]

Oh

Yeah I've heard console is bad hope they fix it

[queen jungle]

That’s great and all but Specter is definitely a side grade

[steel dawn]

Why sidestep, when I have already ascended 🥹

[queen jungle]

What

Sidegrade means they offer equal or near equal performance

[worthy knoll]

@upbeat axle I too want love for the glorious Pax but adding HV ammo just makes it a Vetterli ammo pouch. It needs FMJ for competetetivness and then some variants that the shitfield does not have

[gritty owl]

doesn't the choke already do that

[worthy knoll]

well tbh... why would a SNiper be aggresssive? Why should he push? Its completly disatvantageous to him and his loadout....

not liking sniper is an entirely different thing but Snipers should not push, 99% a stupid move for them.

[worthy knoll]

yes it does

[subtle elbow]

Wdym? i do it a lot. More successful than just sitting around

For me at least

[worthy knoll]

well.. maybe you are very lucky, or a living aimbot or something. But usually your Sniper scope is very bad in buildings and your strength is range and damage and precision. So most people see no need to give up that advantage jsut for the shotgun player to have something to do. Yes sitting around is something that can happen, but I rather sit around than rush into a bad fight just to have a conclusion no matter what that conclusion is.

that is to say, if it works for you. That is good. But you are generally speaking for the exception than the rule-

[subtle elbow]

I mean, I don’t charge into buildings. I play snipers at more medium ranges and I’m always moving to get a better angle. I typically bring a secondary for cqc

[worthy knoll]

So you are rotating.... yeah. Then let me ask you a question: If someone charges you while you are using your truty Hailstorm spitzer and he has a Slate or something. Assuming you do not hit your shots at range. What do you do?

[subtle elbow]

Well, one, I don’t run spitzer. Lame special ammo but that’s besides the point.

Two, I know the slate can one tap me about about 10-12 metres, so I’ll whip out my secondary and try to avoid being one tapped while firing off the secondary. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t

I’ll also relay info to my teammates that I got a guy charging me and hope that they’re not held up and can support me if needed.

[worthy knoll]

Alright. The usual approach, at least the one i do would be "run and get some distance until he looses you and then try to ambush/headshot him again

[subtle elbow]

Nah. I’m more aggressive with sniping. It’s why I usually bring a decent secondary for that stuff like new army or lemat fanning

[unborn dagger]

@queen jungle wait explosive ammo DOESN'T break concertina?

[burnt mulch]

@celest solstice sparks shot to the limb, flechette shots missed most pellets. easy.

@prime ibex dragonbreath is supposed to still oneshot

[celest solstice]

Except it was a chest shot with the sparks and breathing on them after should of killed them. Hit detection is broken in this game.

[native lodge]

don't have a clip to prove this I take it?

[sacred vessel]

They never do

[prime ibex]

@burnt mulch Seriously? Even if all the stats show otherwise?

[subtle elbow]

Dragonsbreath can one shot, but it's based on barrel length. It's also really short range.

[prime ibex]

I know it's really short range, but the given damage should opt out on OSK

[subtle elbow]

Unfortunately the in-game stats aren't that great. IIRC, it displays the average damage the weapon will do at 10m with a chest shot. Not the maximum damage

[burnt mulch]

which, for shotguns, is very different from point blank damage

any shotgun with one shot range under 10m will have their damage listed under 150.

[vital grove]

@gritty owl I would like the 'serpent add on' to be its own perk tbh. would love to run it. especially as a solo

[abstract elm]

@odd cosmos choke bombs remove poison clouds just like they do fire

[fluid locust]

Also another nerf to poison isn't needed tbh lol

Use a choke bomb or your teammate can have resilience or an antidote if it bothers you so much

Still more counters than a concertina bomb

[fathom geyser]

@white oasis i like your suggestion, but only if you cant use it to kill confirm, aka the condition being that the corpse has been dead for a good 30 seconds

[prime ibex]

@iron current Very Monster Hunter like mode

[iron current]

yeh except you're all a buncha dirty cowboys grumbling after a furry werewolf

[gritty owl]

yea, i'm kinda thinking about a seperate aswell, cuz it wouldn't really match the name, unless they reworked the perks completely, but still those perks have an enormous amount of potential and i think it would work really well to create some amazing sound cue distractions and muffle the attackers movement, since defending is always easier

[merry laurel]

@leaden nacelle I like the idea, would use it definitely! Sadly the idea for an injection that prevents burning is a silly concept. 😄

[unborn dagger]

If there's a nerf that's needed for poison it's fuckin antidote.

[white oasis]

sounds fair yeah, an "issue" would also be to revive confirm but you could apply the same there

[fathom geyser]

yeah by making the dark sight outline disappear after 30 seconds of a revive for example

[nova canyon]

30s us pretty short tho. Like we Said the other day, being able to see bodies in DS would be broken, because of a lot of thing

But a few days ago someone made a suggestion about vulture standing on bodies, and i think it's a pretty good idea, if they act as sound Trap like the snakes does

[balmy sparrow]

@warm zephyr , wouldn't that make melee overpowered against immos and armoreds?

If you just want poison melee you can use poison bow with declaw

[unborn smelt]

While i don't think making it a trait is a good idea, i think adding customisation to melee, like adding a poison effect would be a really good thing.

[warm zephyr]

i’m suggesting very slight poisoning

[unborn smelt]

With immo's, it'd absolutely not be OP because if the melee deals reanding and poison, the rending still explodes the immolator

What i think would work better than making it a trait everyone can get for all melee, is giving limited customisation to just melee wepaons (as in weapon slot melee, not tools)

Using the same groundwork of custom ammo for melee weapons, calling it customisation (as they don't use ammo, duh)

That way you could add good effects that makes melee weapons at least a bit more unique and maybe worth using over tools/attachments

[balmy sparrow]

I like how it sounds

Approved

[unborn smelt]

for exmple you could add poison to your melee wepaons or to all melee in your loadout as a melee customisation, or add an ammo pouch that increases the spare ammo for you'r remaining weapon slot, which could have smol uses for weapons that can't stack special ammo (like poison centennial)

[worthy knoll]

Well then the trait should only work with hunters that are Dead Dead. Unreviewable. That way nobody can get wall banged while rezzing a team mate

[unborn smelt]

obvious payoff is you need an actual weapon slot melee

[burnt mulch]

thats still valuable info

[balmy sparrow]

Btw don't forget that melee strikes with buttstock would also deal poison damage with this trait, so killing immo would be much easier

[unborn smelt]

good point i never even thought off

[warm zephyr]

can be a expensive trait

you’ll still need like 3 hits to kill immo with buttstocks?

[balmy sparrow]

That wouldn't be whole stamina bar tho

Which is huuge

[warm zephyr]

many traits are huuge

[balmy sparrow]

But last rat friend is a very good idea

Keep it up

[warm zephyr]

fiend

[balmy sparrow]

Oh

y no frien

Still good idea

[warm zephyr]

a pun i guess

[balmy sparrow]

Serpent but for doors

[zenith oriole]

Why does everyone ask for a way to filter skins from common guns even though that already exists

[nova canyon]

@warm zephyr No.

[warm zephyr]

???

[nova canyon]

Old weekly was worse

[warm zephyr]

agree to disagree?

old weekly i can complete it consistently

new weekly is so badly thought out

[nova canyon]

Yeah, that was the issue. Old weekly where way too easy to complete, most people completed it on mondays lol

[warm zephyr]

and that is a problem because…?

[nova canyon]

because the point of a weekly challenge is to last almost a week

[warm zephyr]

and the point of new summons is to last 2 weeks?

[nova canyon]

No, it's to last 1, not being finished on monday

[warm zephyr]

i can speak for me and my friends that play about 3 hours daily. we don’t complete it most of the time

and bringing the old one back as a alternative is bad because…?

[nova canyon]

I can speak for me and my friend that play 2h a week and complete them on friday. How does it prove anything ?

[warm zephyr]

well done?

not a problem for you = not a problem for everyelse?

[nova canyon]

The thing is: with old challenge you had one weekly, and once it was done, you had nothing left anymore. With current system, you get 9 challenge

[warm zephyr]

you have the game?

[nova canyon]

It's the same the other way: A problem for you =/= a problem for everyone

[native lodge]

there is no point to bring back the old challenges

new ones better in pretty much every way

[nova canyon]

On a design standpoint, old challenge were worse than actual summon system

[warm zephyr]

i disagree.

[nova canyon]

Twice, and 3k hours on it lol

[warm zephyr]

best you start with this

bruh

i meant you still have the game to play lmao

the new one is less a challenge more of a masochist labour

[nova canyon]

sound like skill issue

[native lodge]

the old challenges worked fine, but the new ones have more options more rewards and variety

[warm zephyr]

pride issue

[native lodge]

either way I doubt you are going to get them back

[nova canyon]

and are also a bit more difficult, wich is the first point of a challenge system

[native lodge]

yeah the old ones could sometimes be done ina single game

they were less challenge and more free gear

[warm zephyr]

you try doing that in asia servers when people have esp

[nova canyon]

I mean, there's no pride issue when i say that i can complete my challenge in a week and don't give a fuck when i don't

[native lodge]

well thats not an issue with the challenges thats a different issue

[nova canyon]

But complaining when you can't complete them sound like a skill issue

and yes, cheaters don't have anything to do with summons lol

[warm zephyr]

yeah sure skill issue

[nova canyon]

I mean, beside the Ammo one wich is meme (and wich i'll complete just to have a screen of it completed), they all seem pretty easy lol

[warm zephyr]

lucky you

mine is 70% no.4

[nova canyon]

Can't be, all challenge are uniques 🤔

[warm zephyr]

erm

i have news

sec

oh wait that was last week

[native lodge]

haven't seen a set of weekly challenges that couldn't be completed within a weeks time pretty easily

[warm zephyr]

basically mine was killing hunters with x

and give like 1 or 2 points

[nova canyon]

And how is that hard ?

Killing hunter is basically one of the thing you do the most in the game

[warm zephyr]

you try playing in asia servers

people don’t push you

unless they have cheats which by then they just wallbang you

[nova canyon]

Yeah but again, that's not an issue with the summons system

[warm zephyr]

and when i’m indoors i would have more of a chance playing shotguns

in which case i won’t complete the non shotguns challenge

it is when you play in asia

also it doesn’t auto reset when you complete it

thing is, i get it from your side you would like to have more variety of challenges that lasts for longer

but thing is if you’re constantly pitted against several glaring issues of the game like in my case you’re fucked

did i mention i run at 30fps when fights start since the event started?

[nova canyon]

Yeah, so you keep telling me that you have issue completing summons because of issues that don't have anything to do with the summon system

[warm zephyr]

ideally you would be able to complete them yes

there is also the issue of how much you can complete even if you had a good match

the ones i can complete consistently would only give 1~3 points

so in the most ideal situation i can get about 6 points a match

but that doesn’t happen

asia server really drags one match out because people really like to drag things out

[nova canyon]

the point is not getting 6 point a match, is getting 30 points over the course of a week

A week is 7 days

[warm zephyr]

i don’t get 30 points a week

[nova canyon]

30/7 is less than 5 points a day, you don't need to get 6 per match

[warm zephyr]

unless i play 6 hours a day is what i’m saying

you can say all you want that the other factors don’t matter

[nova canyon]

You can say all you want: the problem is not the summon system

[hardy coral]

Getting the 30 points is rather quick. Faster than the old system in my experience

[warm zephyr]

but to me they do because all those factors severely handicap my possibilities of completing them

agree to disagree

it would appear some players would not be against my suggestion, as opposed to what you seem to suggest

[nova canyon]

You know that 9+8 is 17 right ?

[warm zephyr]

yeah don’t count the 🤔 jackass . that means neutral.

[nova canyon]

not really but ok

[hot vigil]

With the old system you could do your weekly in a day, if you committed to it.
My playgroup and I just can't be bothered with the summons as they feel like if you miss a day, you'll need to put in double the effort the day after.

Old challenge system were "oh I happened to do my daily" or "just a sec, just gonna punch this immolator" during a match.
You really have to put in conscious effort to do the summons if you wanna hit the weekly cap.

[warm zephyr]

from yaasu’ pov, it’s meant to be a challenge

[nova canyon]

Yeah, because it's a challenge system, as the name imply

[warm zephyr]

but i would argue that yaasu has 3k hours

which i don’t think the majority of players have

[nova canyon]

A challenge, as the name imply, is meant to need an effort

[warm zephyr]

too much effort

[hot vigil]

Well it ain't called a challenge anymore so.... there's that.

[warm zephyr]

also 25bb is too little for the “challenges “ we have now

[hot vigil]

Nevertheless, enough about splitting hair over semantics.
I still think it is fair to say summons, while they set up "challenges" that can make the player change the way they play, I still think that they are too grindy.

[hardy coral]

25 blood bonds was the reward for the large challenge by itself in the old system

You can get more rewards than before, whenever you want each week

[warm zephyr]

old system is easier

[warm zephyr]

let’s be real. most people want the bb

it’s like double work hours for the same pay

[hot vigil]

But the old system, at least for me, felt less grindy.
You accumulated around 80% of the "challenge" over a week and then the last 2-3 days if you put in a little active play, you could complete it.

Again, old system was not perfect and quite unimaginative. But don't think the new system does enough to engage players with it to justify it being more grindy.

[warm zephyr]

not to mention 300bb lock among other things

[hot vigil]

I think I'd be okay with the summon system if the weekly goal was 20 summon points.

Also it ain't like summons changed the "challenge" aspect of the weekly challenge system, it is still do X with Y or some variation of that.

[zenith oriole]

@hybrid spruce how would the duck gun work? Because it wouldn't exactly be a shotgun due to it having four barrels for normal bullets and it wouldn't be effective at range either

[hot vigil]

Wide crosshair?

[warm zephyr]

same as the bows

they can add it…

but it’ll be like using black powder guns in games like cod

[hot vigil]

To be fair, if every bullet deals 60dmg at 10 meter, you only needs to hit with 2-3 of them.

[zenith oriole]

It wasn't that accurate and you also need to load each round again because it fires all 4 at one time. By that time their team is either right next to you or the guy you tried to kill has shot you

To me it just seems like it would be a meme gun like duel sparks pistol

[hybrid spruce]

Exactly

[zenith oriole]

But you can choose to use duel sparks, you always stuck with the slow reload and bad accuracy of the duck gun if you choose it

[hot vigil]

I would make it a tool like the derringer.

[candid igloo]

Can we plz get summons split up cause quickplay is shiet

[zenith oriole]

I was saying that last night how they should make a variant of the flare pistol that can shoot little shotgun shells, it would probably shoot 410 which is the shotgun equivalent of 22 lr

[hybrid spruce]

Nah it’s only like a 70 year gap not a 300

[warm zephyr]

i’m just saying that it would be a meme gun and that’s it

derringer is viable but this…

[hybrid spruce]

Lmao

I can just imagine duel wielding the duck foot

Actually gross

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[barren raven]

@hollow willow I updated it

[merry laurel]

@harsh fern keep in mind, whenever you choose to play on a night map, most players will probably use camouflage skins and silencers, would turn into a camper game most likely. I think that's the main issue with that.

[nova canyon]

It's not the Real issue, the Real issue is spliting queue and removing one Big part of the Hunt purposely designed rng

[tribal wyvern]

Well, the purpose wasn't rng, it was only changed because of population.
The purpose was to be able to choose bounty & daytime.

So you could plan your loadouts for what you were going into.

And if you didn't care, then you were rewarded a lil extra

Which also explains the previous weeklies we had targetign specific bosses

[nova canyon]

I'm speaking about choosing day and nights, not contract, contract could give you night maps too

Contracts where a fixed map/bounty/day time, but it could be night

[tribal wyvern]

You could still choose if u wanted day or nigt

By picking the specific contract

[nova canyon]

they were removed mainly because most of those match where really small lobbies

(so the same problem with spliting queue)

[tribal wyvern]

ye population issue

[tribal wyvern]

@slow valve
Sure after like 20+ shots you can geta dollar

[slow valve]

?

[lilac arch]

fix the god dame MM

[nova canyon]

@tranquil hill Getting a headshot whith dual wielding is mostly just luck

[nova canyon]

MM works as intended, but can be a bit disappointing in low pop region like OCE

[barren raven]

@tranquil hill second this, as people should not be able to headshot me with duel pistols from 75-90m away on the first shot. happens way to often.

[lilac arch]

I press X

de facto match ups lead me to belive MM is just random names from a hat

[nova canyon]

Tell us more, so we can explain

@gleaming monolith I think that it's already the case, you don't stop burning if you die on fire

[prime ibex]

@leaden nacelle Hell no.

[nova canyon]

Maybe it was reverted tho ?

[prime ibex]

2 Cents, 2 reasons.

1: Absolutely illogical to inject fire resistance in a game based in 1895.

2: Absolutely OP and will topple balance that the devs try hard to keep.

It's already bad enough that we got Avtomat Sparks Pistol kits running around and blowing away anyone they see.

[nova canyon]

Even if i don't like OnderEren suggesion, i don't think that preventing fire for a few minutes would be OP 🤔

[prime ibex]

A salve-like lotion to lather up to reduce fire damage makes more sense than to inject ++FireResistence like it's an RPG lol

Cause the closest thing to reduce or even be immune to fire is either getting wet, or having some sort of balm

[nova canyon]

Ok @gleaming monolith, it seems i was wrong and you don't, so that's a good suggestion

[nova canyon]

I mean, you don't magically heal bullet wound by injecting something trough your veins

We know that Hunter inject themselves related to the sculptor to get their power, some Immolator juice wouldn't be against lore

[prime ibex]

It couldn't but that still kinda puts me off

Injecting some sort of Immolator serum sounds not too far off but experimental af lol

[nova canyon]

But i stand with you on the side that it shouldn't prevent fire, but only give a temporary salveskin effect

[nova canyon]

I mean, injecting some grunt juice trough your veins seem pretty experimental to me too lol

[prime ibex]

Could just reduce Fire Damage by like ~20% for X.X amount of seconds.

But full on immunity to being lit is a bit much

[nova canyon]

yeah that's pretty much what salveskin does

thing is, and that would solve @inland ravine PTSD with fire: It should maybe slow down the burn, and also prevent you from burning while downed

[gleaming monolith]

@nova canyonnaw ive tested it, ive used dragons breath on guns. its minly lanterns and fire barrels that linger the fire is what keeps people ablazed

[nova canyon]

Yeah, Violet confirmed it in #game-questions, i might have misremembered some events

[opaque moss]

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[safe mountain]

SA Servers running like shit

[faint sparrow]

@leaden nacelle Sorry dumb comment but wouldn't your skin still be like flammable

Like oh hey, atleast my blood and maybe veins are fireproof but like I'm still in excruciating pain as my skin slowly melts off

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[worthy knoll]

@queen jungle the +2 Trait Points are the BEST reward from Chary since they accumulate and I can start some fresh hunters with their respective gun traits like Iron sharshooter or something. Why do you hate them?

[queen jungle]

because I dont have 200 hunter slots

and infinite hunt dollars

if I wouldnt prestige I prolly wouldnt hate them

like

it doesnt feel fun

having the need for a full roster

or if you forget to fill up your roster

and get the +2 reward

it doesnt feel like a reward

you just think about how you fucked up and didnt fill up your roster

[worthy knoll]

Well I NEVER Prestige and I dont NEED a full roster. I just want to get some free traits and start with quality of life traits. I would never play a Lebel Marksman without that trait for example.

Well i never thought about it with that strong of a feeling it was maybe a "well missed one" but nothing to be really angry about

[queen jungle]

well I prestige and sometimes dont have a full roster. also I dont always think of filling up my roster. so clicking mr. chary and getting +2 for a single hunter feels pretty shit

because you fault yourself instead of mr. chary

you can't beat up the mr. chary slot machine and be like "better luck next time"

you're like "you fucking idiot forgot to fill up the roster" or "fuck me I dont have any money to fill up the roster atm"

thats prolly the best description

[queen jungle]

Thirst trap posts to bring out the sad lonely weebs

[fluid locust]

Sounds like a personal problem

[inland ravine]

My issue isn't the fire's rate of burn. it's not having a reasonable counter to reg firebombs except chokes. My concerned is the pseudo meta-forced choke loadout. Even if you 1v2 the team that downed and insta-burned your buddy with a cheap 17 dollar consumable, you have to sacrifice a health bar resurrecting him.

I understand salve skin may solve the issue. but what if you have a new hunter?

[nova canyon]

Yeah, that's why i said that the "fire reduction shot" should reduce burning speed on alive hunters AND prevent a downed hunter from burning

[inland ravine]

Ah I missed that part of the conversation... that could allow a consumable slot that aleviates the choke slot... hmm step in the right direction i suppose

[nova canyon]

there's still a trade of, because you'd have to take a consumable, and you couldn't refil it at supply point, but you'd have at least choice between a temporary consumable or chokes

[inland ravine]

I still think the occum's razer for this is allowing the hunter to be extinguished manually, you could just throw another fire on him. but it's still a high risk play to run through the flames to save your buddy. but i have already beat a dead horse over this

occam's razor*

[nova canyon]

Yeah, and i still think it causes a lot of problem, especially visualy

[inland ravine]

eh, it was like that in the past and no one complained about it.

[keen mortar]

How's about having world items around compounds. We have lanterns to set bodies alight, what about water buckets to put them out?

[fading zephyr]

So many hackers in this game.,...but I am glad I have fresh cosmetics

[inland ravine]

it was never an issue because the firebomb didn't last that long. you would wait it out then run for the extinguish. now the firebomb burns longer than the hunter remaining health

[inland ravine]

there really aren't that many hackers.

[fading zephyr]

Dude, please

This game is infested. There is endless evidence on youtube.... just sort it by date

[inland ravine]

you're giving away your postion and dying to wall bangs. I kill people like that constantly and get accused of hacking almost once a week

[nova canyon]

yeah i understand that, but the problem with putting people out while they are still in the middle of a fire would pose an information issue. Imagine you are playing solo, and burn a body to use the pressure to reposition yourself. His mate put him out and then move.
You come back from another position, guy is in the middle of a fire, and you don't know if he is burning or not

[nova canyon]

One could argue that it seems to be a cheater wave right now, a few people have been reporting being killed from out of the map (with screenshots)
But it will be solves in a matter of days as usual
Game's on sale, it's peak user, it's event, it's pretty much normal with every game

[fading zephyr]

No im not. I just got headshot by a dude with a 20 kd with a sparks pistol at 187 meters through trees

[inland ravine]

I feel that is less of an issue than the one I'm presenting. but we have already established that we disagree lol. we aren't exactly breaking new ground

[nova canyon]

Yeah, and it's probably more of a playstyle thing tbh

[queen jungle]

Cross-overs with popular franchises cost tons of money I'd rather see Crytek invest into features and content (and Crysis 4 of course )

[barren raven]

Being hunted instead of hunting would be cool though maybe they can use the idea with an Original character like, still have bosses but there is also a monster that will hunt players and if you kill it you get bonus XP and hunt dollars

[rugged plank]

main issue with that is AI pathing. The terrain in hunt is pretty complicated

the AI already gets stuck constantly, and thats just on fences and walls

there's a reason all the boss arenas are clearly defined areas with flat floors

[fading zephyr]

Out of 10 matches today I have had two hackers. That is 2 out of 10. It is about as bad as Tarkov. Just gonna add that cross play would be the death of Hunt bc of the unchecked cheating on PC. I enjoy Hunt on Console and never have these incidents, maybe it is time to go Full time on PS5.. Wonder if I can use KB & Mouse

[barren raven]

I only play on PC have ran into maybe 3 hunters total cheating that was obvious like know exactly where I was at in the boss room and shooting me in the head through walls and one where they got point blank shot in the face by me and did not die

[fading zephyr]

This community is very odd, regardless of the evidence..."oh no cheaters" its like they want to protect cheating...I dont get it

[left rose]

no one is saying there are no cheaters. But the existence of videos of cheaters don't say anything about how common they are.
Last cheater I saw was around 2 month ago. It's weird that some people claim they see cheaters in every 2nd game but when I play myself or watch streams, all these super common cheaters go into hiding...

[fluid locust]

What rima said. Cheaters are very uncommon. Saying you see cheaters every match typically means someone is just bad at the game and has an ego problem and can't admit they just got outplayed. I've personally seen two confirmed cheaters in 2k hours. Very few I suspected but nothing solid.

[karmic ivy]

Yep, no one said "oh no cheaters"....

[echo forum]

I would say look at cheater forums unique visitors and the demand for said cheats

[dense sapphire]

@queen jungle (Remove +2 Upgrade Points)
Speak for yourself but it's one of my favorite rewards.

[fading zephyr]

Not every match, but today I had 2/10 blatant incidents. One of them I got away from but still ]

[fading zephyr]

Bingo. Huge demand recently

[keen mortar]

There's no protection for people against cheaters. It's not like there's a replay of how you died or anything. It's kind of just a "I'm assuming they cheated" kind of thing. And then you bring it up in the community and everyone jumps at you telling you they've only ever seen 1 cheater in the entire time they've played, as if you claiming to have witnessed one is a false claim.

[somber harbor]

someone headshots with a nagant silenced from 800m away? they just have a better gaming chair

[keen mortar]

I know right? I know there's some crack shots. But when you look at what poor excuse of a kill cam we do have and it's like through 8 trees, a building, 4 acres of land and a caravan before headshotting you, it's a bit sus.

[left rose]

If that's the kind of evidence provided it's all good. But there is usually zero evidence or evidence that proves the cheater claim is false.
one of my favorite hackusations:
"That guy headshotted me through a solid brick wall! You can't pen that!"
Meanwhile you can see the guy that killed that person standing in the open. The deathscreen shows no wallbang.

There is a reason most cheater claims aren't taken seriously unless evidence is provided...

[keen mortar]

That's perfectly fine. And the word "cheater" or "hacker" is overused in gaming in general. Usually its a skill issue. But a lot of the community have become very naive to the point that anyone that tries to talk about it gets told its very uncommon etc. Most people who encounter cheaters don't have the ability to record their screen or get evidence I can only assume.

[left rose]

These days it's very easy to record for everyone thanks to shadowplay and the amd version of it. Something weird happened? Press record and the last 20 minutes get recorded. It can't be much easier than that. If one can't record, that's one them these days.
and to be honest, if some people claim there are cheaters in their games 50% of the time or if the same people estimate the cheater population is around 40% (actual numbers I've heard) and that is completely in contrast to what I, my friends, other persons or streamers experience... yea, I can't take those "cheater infestation" claims seriously.
I mean my last blatant cheater encounter was 2 months ago. The one before I think around christmas?
So yea, I don't believe people that say they encounter blatant cheaters daily.

[fluid locust]

nobody said that though. every time you ask for proof of cheaters nobody has it. even a simple screenshot of getting nagant'd like 600m away would be pretty obvious. and if someone is "constantly" dying to cheats, you'd think that they'd start recording or something...

[fluid locust]

exactly

[fluid locust]

I mean it's super ez to screenshot something as obvious as that tho

[keen mortar]

Problem is, a good cheater won't make it obvious they're cheating. Sometimes it's not as clear as shooting someone 600m away. It's more about knowing pin point where someone is when they've not moved the entire time.

[fluid locust]

non-cheaters can figure out where you are if you aren't moving either. especially if they checked other spots already and they heard you turning around or breathing from ADSing. it's nearly impossible to be 100% silent in this game so you can almost always be heard or seen in some way

[keen mortar]

Yeah, that's fair. I'm not great at this game by any stretch of the imagination. Those must be some wild headphones.

[fluid locust]

I mean I will say it would be hard to prove someone is cheating definitely in this game unless you weren't the last group they killed and you can spectate. other than that, there's no kill cams and no way to 100% know. I give people benefit of the doubt though because most people that kill me don't have ridiculous kds or whatnot and getting lucky is always a possibility

[native lodge]

if someone like me can get more than a few hackusations... its hard to take hackusations seriously without something solid

[left rose]

There is pretty insane stuff you can do with mapknowledge and sound alone. If I've been on the receiving end of some shots I've hit... yea, I would have reported 100%.
Funnily enough I've never been called out because of some of those really insane shots, only due to very common stuff.

[somber harbor]

Yeah I've been accused of hacking on PS4 before by just headshotting a dude as he ran out of a bush in a straight line towards me with a bomblance

[keen bolt]

@keen mortar I wouldn't use that hammer ngl

[left rose]

Once I've been hackused by some guy that was standing in a doorway. I hit him with fanning, he runs left, I keep fanning and kill him though the wall.
Like what, That is complete normal situation and this is what makes some people press report?

[keen bolt]

Lmao

It's called being salty

[left rose]

ye, some people should stop coping and learn to take the L

[keen bolt]

I would report a triple headshot all within 4 seconds tho

But if I got killed by Fanning it's totally normal

[vital drum]

@amber stirrup You can report players with evidence by reaching out to #customer-support.

[amber stirrup]

Thank you. I just sent them the most recent video.

[marsh pine]

yall need to get new servers

[burnt mulch]

@zinc raft that restriction is there to make it harder for people to queue snipe. I understand the frustration but that's not how to solve it.

[queen jungle]

@brittle glacier There's Sunset and Night versions of all three maps.
Night just has low chances of occurring since many players are afraid of hunting in the dark
think they'd suffer disadvantages from playing in the dark

[brittle glacier]

Hahah alright thats my bad. Then maybe a revamp to the sunset version would be a good idea then? To make it more... sunsetty? cuz i dont notice it much, idk tho lol. Thanks for telling me.

[queen jungle]

Here's the Wiki page with examples of each time of day
https://huntshowdown.fandom.com/wiki/Maps

[brittle glacier]

god idk how ive never noticed it. looks good, thats on me. (probs my graphics settings tbh)

[nova canyon]

@long river It's hard without sound but judging by the image you didn't kill him
Also, you getting "teleported" is just you being a tad too close to the wall, your hunter get sent a few meters back when you die, always with your feet facing the killer. Since you have the wall in your back game seem to struggle a bit, and you teleporting is just the result of the collision with the wall, not a real teleport

And for the "not killing him part", here is the frame just before the muzzle flash

The hit marker is probably some pellets hitting arms, and the animation you see is probably the aimpunch

[queen jungle]

@keen mortar Cosmetics don’t make a game replayable but still a cool idea @fluid locust you don’t make noise from turning

[long river]

but I killed him. it was a trade

next time I'll make a post match screenshot for those who doubt

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[feral timber]

Anyone who doesn't think reviving is too quick and easy is just abusing the current meta. Long range kills are a waste of time because the person can be up and back in the fight before you can sprint 10m. If you want the game to forever be sitting around corners with shotguns then yeah, don't change the revive mechanic, but if you're like me and sick of getting well earned kills count for nothing when pushing into a building, then we NEED to see some reform to reviving. And no. Grenades do not remedy this problem 1 bit. If you like the revive as is, it probably means you're getting revived a lot.

[echo forum]

long ammo is already way too strong lol

[feral timber]

hahaha we KNEW someone would try this argument. No. It's not. It's balanced correctly because it's LONG AMMO. It's meant to shoot and kill you from... you guessed it... A LONG RANGE.

[echo forum]

Long ammo has been meta since the game came out. Long ammo is good at all ranges. A shotgun cannot challenge a rifle at 150m but you can quickscope at 10m with a sniper or even get a hipfire kill. Hit someone with long ammo and quickswap sneeze on someone to finish them. Long ammo always has the option to choose when to engage or disengage. Spitzer makes mosin and lebel ez mode headshot machine. The game has a huge problem with both shotguns and long ammo. They dominate their intended ranges so well that everything else is not worth using. Shotguns won't challenge long ammo outside the compound usually and long ammo won't go into the compound usually. It makes for some boring gameplay. There needs to be other balancing factors for these weapons than just dmg falloff.

[keen mortar]

If long ammo aren't going in because of shotguns, how does the revive time affect them? It affects anyone trying to be aggressive.

[echo forum]

because it's already almost impossible to revive a team mate when long ammo is camping the corpse...making it longer isn't going to make them push. It's just going to make you leave your team mate because you can't rez. You already need to throw chokes, dynamite or fire and try and body block the rez.

if the sniper is good that is

the get up animation is so slow after rez

[unborn smelt]

Well they're right tho - long ammo is the best answer to revives, because you get to just bodytap them after the first down...
So no long range kills are not a waste of time. You just don't think the downside is enough.

[echo forum]

I know right it already sucks that after being downed you pretty much get 1 tapped to chest by any long ammo rifle after

[unborn smelt]

I think that would be fine - if you could make an effort to gain the HP back

but thing is there's way to few mechanics to do that - and the boss being the main objective, usually is either half the map away or a banish impossible because it's already banished for example

[echo forum]

I think it sucks that the only way is through bounty. It basically means if you get downed from long ammo you need to just stay in the building or try and run to extract because it's so easy to hit the chest with long ammo if they even rotate to medium range. The fact that you can't regain bars any other way discourages fights

[feral timber]

Long Ammo should be meta. It's expensive, it's harder to use, it's about skillful aim and not spam firing. It's meta because it's supposed to be. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand the game. A shotgun might not be able to challenge a 150m range, but I'll tell you what can, the players ability to land a headshot from a 150m range, as opposed to hip firing someone with a wide spreading shotgun from 2m away. Hipfire kills are 90% luck and 10% skill with a sniper. How damn often have you been killed by a quickscoping sniper? With over 300 hours, at MMR 5, and a 1.5K/D I can safely say I've never had that happen once, so unless you're playing at some cracked MMR I've never heard of, this isn't happening very often. As I said, the question with long ammo is the skill gap, shotguns dont require skill or good aim, it's all about popping off as fast a shot as you can. Like you said, shotguns won't come out of the compound, but if you manage to kill someone inside the compound and then push with your advantage, but that person you killed is up and ready to fight before you can get there, then reviving IS a problem. That kill meant nothing and you're promoting your boring gameplay. Fact of the matter is, if your teammate died to long ammo inside a compound, it's on them, they deserve to be camped, but look what that does, it just puts your teammate AND whoever is watching them out of the game, so the kill was worthless anyway.

1 at a time

so I can tell you how you're wrong

[unborn smelt]

It's expensive, but it's very easy to use

[feral timber]

Yeah IF you have an angle. But for all context, I use a deadeye Nagant and get long ass kills with it, but sometimes that person will be behind cover, when I then rush in, they'll be up before I can get there.

[feral timber]

Are you joking?!

if long ammo is easy to uise

then what's hard to use?

the fucking axe?

come off it lad

[unborn smelt]

that's because especially the bolt actions have a decent Rof, the fastest base velocity to hit moving targets, and so much overkill dmg, limbshots areN't nearly as punishing as on other rifles

[feral timber]

you're both missing the point

COMPLETELY

IF

[echo forum]

long ammo is easier to aim with at all ranges lol. It has all the options in the game because players MUST go outside to an open area to extract. It's kinda shitty that the meta way to play the game is to not actually get the bounty yourself but to make sure they can't extract. It is a low risk high reward playstyle. Only long ammo can beat long ammo if they play right because of dmg falloff. Also the game has very bad textures, foilage and edges. It's very hard to actually see a long ammo bush camper or team rotating around the compound.

[feral timber]

you down someone IN a compound with long ammo

what do you do then?

if you need to watch the body?

you're out of the fight too.

making the kill moot

[unborn smelt]

you don't need to watch the body

[feral timber]

Easier to aim with than a shotgun? mmmkay.

[echo forum]

I mean it wouldn't be meta if there were easier and effective guns. At medium range it's still better than all compacts or medium ammo.

[echo forum]

shotgun is easiest in game at it's range

[unborn smelt]

If you killed them - they lost min.35 hp for good and 50-75 hp worth of meds to boot

[feral timber]

oh so you just let them revive their third with an extra shotgun so when you push they're back up anyway... making the kill MOOT AGAIN.

BRUH

[unborn smelt]

you just need to hit the body the next time you see them because of the lost HP

at that point long ammo is literally a nitro on roids against them

[echo forum]

Why do you think long ammo should be able to secure kills from long range while being powerful at close range too? Let's have slugs have 200m range ???

[feral timber]

yeah good luck when you rush in and they're sat in a corner with a shotgun

I can be on 1hp and win a fight with a shotgun

it doesn't matter.

[echo forum]

You can be 1hp in a bush and wipe a team...

[unborn smelt]

I can maneuver in a way that lets a 150hp shotgunner never get near me

[feral timber]

because ANY long range weapon at close range will lose to a shotgun and take more skill to use than a shotgun

[echo forum]

No it won't lol you can literally CoD quickscope in this game I do it all the time.

[feral timber]

all this says to me is that you're both bad at the game

[unborn smelt]

depends on what you call "close range" and on the circumstances

[feral timber]

HOW OFTEN DOES THIS HAPPEN?!

[echo forum]

I hover 5-6 star with 2k/d

[unborn smelt]

if they lost 25 hp then no

then long ammo literally performs like slugs on roids - killing with a bodyshot at up to 45m

[feral timber]

literally means fuck all. You could literally sit in the corner with your shotgun and get 3 kills a game.

[feral timber]

yeah IF you shoot them

[feral timber]

what if you don't get the chance because you pushed the building and took a romero to the throat?

[echo forum]

I mean most the K/D farmers run long ammo.....with a shotgun even as strong as it is in close range people still wallbang, grenade you, flash you.... bait you....or left peek for headshot

[feral timber]

health mitigation means fuck all at close range

[unborn smelt]

your fault

[crystal plume]

Long ammo is pretty much the best choice yeah, I don't think it's too strong though and I'd rather see other ammo types buffed a bit in some areas than long ammo nerfed as the only reason I prefer it atm is the consistency of it, and I do not want to see that consistency taken away when the other ammo types already feel inconsistent

[unborn smelt]

don't push a building vs a guy that has a romero with a sniper

[crystal plume]

Revive time also feels good enough imo already

[unborn smelt]

one would think that's common sense

[echo forum]

also you can always wiggle peek or jump peek so shotgun doesn't secure kill. \

the only shotgun I think is broken is levering bullshit shotgun

[feral timber]

We've gone off topic a shit ton. 2 people moaning about the strength of long ammo does not mean I'm wrong about reviving

[unborn smelt]

you can also pen half the buildings with long ammo to kill them again

[feral timber]

people are just screaming into the void now.

[keen mortar]

Any gun can corpse camp... Especially in open ground. But also with FMJ. If your tactic for reviving a friend whilst being camped is throwing down a choke and hoping they whiff, that's a pretty bad tactic. Deal with the threat first. Outflank them, sneak up on them, take them out. THEN get your friend up safely. OR risk it, but the risk should come at a cost of longer res times.

Touching someone to get them up is just silly when it takes so much longer just to bandage.

[feral timber]

you need to stagger your responses otherwise you're arguing with a message from 3 messages ago

[echo forum]

I think you're lost man. Most of my matches are long ammo players that don't even do shit until they can guarantee a kill. TBH long ammo is too strong and makes the game a chore vs good teams.

[feral timber]

So you are saying you're bad because you can't beat the "good teams"

[unborn smelt]

Well then lets adress it again.

You said dying means nothing because you can revive pretty fast.

You're wrong, because upon death one looses 25 hp, which is a severe downside in fights to come. And you're down a lot of meds to boot

[crystal plume]

The only times I've gotten disorientated with revives is people using necro, and after that I know to look out for it

[feral timber]

you need the revive time low so your teammates can get you up right?

[feral timber]

it's not about disorientation, it's about speed, it's too quick and quiet.

[echo forum]

I mean I win quite a bit of my matches it's just that vs long ammo you are playing on their move if you don't have long ammo also. This means you need to run a lot as it's pointless to try and push long ammo outside especially if they run stam shot/greyhound.

[feral timber]

if that affects you then you're playing in pisslo

[crystal plume]

Only if you are like 100m away, at which point they should have the advantage usually when it comes to revives unless they died in the open

[feral timber]

in my games it's a 1-shot 99% of the time, or no shot at all.

[unborn smelt]

Bruh keep a bit of respect - i'm not insulting you, so i expect the same of you

[crystal plume]

Not realizing someone is going for a res any closer than that is kinda on your own game sens than the revive speed or sound

[feral timber]

I'll give you a scenario. I used a Nagant Deadeye to shoot someone on Pearl Plantation upper balcony at 50-60m. We then rushed in, but the person was back up on full HP and in the fight before we even got there.

[echo forum]

did they nerf the sound though? I can't hear a revive at all anymore, I thought you could hear it before

[crystal plume]

I can hear them just fine still

[feral timber]

It's frustrating trying to talk to 17 people at once.

[crystal plume]

Some people mentioned issues with muffled sound tho, might be that issue

[echo forum]

I can hear when they get up but not when the other player is actually rezzing them. I thought I remembered it sounding like bandaging

[feral timber]

reviving makes no noise... what?

[crystal plume]

Yes it does

[lunar kettle]

I guess someone should have secured the dead body from the distance while two of you push the building.

[feral timber]

you can't it makes no noise.

[crystal plume]

You can hear bandaging noises

[feral timber]

we couldn't do it fast enough, they were revived before we could even scale the outside ladder

[echo forum]

Last patch mess up my sound bad but I haven't been able to hear rezzing for a while now

[crystal plume]

It's how I tell someone's reviving when holding a body on the other side of a wall

[feral timber]

when bandaging, not when reiving

[crystal plume]

Yes you can

[feral timber]

I have a video if you want? Someone reived right next to my head, I didn't know they were up until the dead guy sighed.

[echo forum]

man go for the wall bang...you literally know where the guy died lol

[crystal plume]

If it didn't make noise then it was bugged

[lunar kettle]

I don't see the issue. Someone (maybe you because you killed him) should have aimed for the dead body while your mates push. It isn't that hard to secure a body without direct cover.

[feral timber]

brick walls in Pearl my guy

[echo forum]

it's because sound has been bad for a few months now at least for some people. I can't hear shit anymore in general. Audio is very muffled.

[feral timber]

it never makes noise

[crystal plume]

I don't like to use this as a reinforcement to my arguments as it shouldn't be necessary in any convo, but it's safe to assume I know enough about the game to be able to tell what makes noise and what doesn't

[lunar kettle]

It does make noise

[unborn smelt]

everything other than opening the map makes noise afaik

[feral timber]

It took patience to land the first hit

[echo forum]

Okay if you downed him with long ammo he literally is a 1 tap to chest now... Why do you think you can have ez mode range and push ability? Also Nagant deady eye isn't long ammo.

[feral timber]

Nagant deadeye is compact

[echo forum]

So why are you using it like long ammo????

[crystal plume]

You can literally hear the bandaging when you revive your own teammates as well

And it's audible to enemies around you

[feral timber]

what? 🥲 If I land a headshot on someone at 50-60m it doesn't matter what ammo, they're dead and I get the advantage, I use it because it's good

[echo forum]

I think they need to look at fixing audio because for a lot of people it's busted. Positional audio was way better for me like a year ago, now I feel like I'm deaf when I play lol

[lunar kettle]

Then you should use that advantage instead of giving up the dead body.

[echo forum]

You still have the advantage as they lose a health chunk......

[lunar kettle]

If he dies behind cover it's another story but even a 8 second rezz wouldn't change the game at this point.

[feral timber]

so then there needs to be someone watching the corpse from range... meaning that the numbers advantage is still gone because it's 1 person on each team out of the fight?

[feral timber]

It would because 8 seconds wouldn't have given them enough time to fully heal

[feral timber]

you don't feel it

[lunar kettle]

For a moment because after your two guys pushed and are in position you could follow them.
That's a normal way to engage a dead player.

[unborn smelt]

yes with compact ammo pistols you don#t feel that

[feral timber]

can someone find a clip of this elusive revive time, I have one of it not happening

[unborn smelt]

hence why long ammo is the Meta

[echo forum]

burn the body,,,,throw frag at rez.....get another knock and now their team mate is really down on his luck. You can easily control the situation after a knock.

[feral timber]

what are you even talking about? I headshot him, he was dead, long ammo wouldnt have made a difference....

[feral timber]

too far

[unborn smelt]

on the redown it would

[feral timber]

nades didn't reach

[echo forum]

long ammo makes a difference because any other shot will 1 hit him after he gets up.... if you knock him in front of a window...when he gets rezzed he stands up where you knocked him...

[feral timber]

So AGAIN I have to sit out of the push to watch the corpse

[lunar kettle]

It's a 125 HP Hunter. Compact ammo is your choice and long ammo - sorry to say that but I can't accept the opposite - is not that hard to play.

[unborn smelt]

because with long you'd just need to nail him in the body - with compact TTK doesn't change much you still need two bodyshots for a redown

[echo forum]

Have you tried Warzone?

[feral timber]

if you down someone and make it a 3v2, then you should have an advantage, what you keep suggesting it that one person watches the body which would make it a 2v2 meaning the advantage is moot.

[echo forum]

bruh get 1 guy to watch for the rez...the other 2 can then easily burn the body and force a rez or gain information when you know 2 players are clustered..

[lunar kettle]

Nope. Two push. They can secure the body at this point. You close the distance and now it's a 3 vs 2

[unborn smelt]

It's not. you still have one on overwatch that can intervene

[feral timber]

my secondary is either romero handcannon or dual caldwells... so they'd still die to my secondary anyway when I push.

[unborn smelt]

also you can make it a 3v2

[feral timber]

unless their team is over the body and shooting your teammates....

[unborn smelt]

2 push one watches - the pushing ones watch until the last one catches up with em

[nova canyon]

wait, are you really thinking that revive are too fast in trio ?

[echo forum]

then shoot them...

[feral timber]

what if they secure the body first?!

[unborn smelt]

now you're 3 peeps vs 2 while stopping the rez

[unborn smelt]

then you failed at the 3v2

[feral timber]

of course! they won't be shooting back will they?

[nova canyon]

If you were playing solo against trio i could have understood but... you are three people to watch a body

[feral timber]

no... because it never was a 3v2

it was a 2v2,

[lunar kettle]

I guess you don't understand the situation. Let me try it one more time.

[unborn smelt]

as long as the guy can aim and shoot in their direction it's a 3v2

even if the guy doesn't push, he still can act as area denial

[echo forum]

At you watching from distance or your two team mates pushing toward the downed player? I think you expect way too much reward for an easy kill at range when the other team probably didn't even see you. A downed player already has a huge disadvantage for the rest of the game.

[feral timber]

bro honestly, theres 237 people talking it's hard to single you out

[feral timber]

that's the thing, it was pearl balcony.

[unborn smelt]

And if we don#t count a guy on overwatch we shouldn't count the guy ressing either

[feral timber]

there is no sight line

[unborn smelt]

so you lost a 2v1

[feral timber]

...

[unborn smelt]

because one of the 2 left was reviving

[lunar kettle]

1. You down one. He's visible for you.
2. Your two mates push.
   2.1 The enemy can't rezz because of you. They can just take a good position against your two mates.
   3 After your team is close enough to secure the body you can follow up.
3. It's a 3 vs 2

And it's important to understand: Your 3 vs 2 advantage still works at point 2. and 2.1
Because you can hold the windows and the enemy can't just peak without a possible punishment.

Sorry for my bad english but I hope thats understandable.

[feral timber]

there we go.

nice and illustrated.

[nova canyon]

In that 2D illustration, you clearly see that the stickman on the left has a LoS on that Skull, wich i assume is a downed player

[echo forum]

man your team mates can literally force a rez or gain info by moving up and throwing a lantern...nade etc near the body while you watch the rez....once they are close enough to hear if someone is going for a rez you can move up....

[feral timber]

it's not bad English FYI, I get what you're trying to say, but this is a perfect scenario in a vaccum

[lunar kettle]

The point is:
At that point (let's say in my story it's point 2.) your team has still the advantage. If player 2 decides to rezz the downed one your two guys can push player 3 in a 2 vs 1

[feral timber]

so the left stickman and the skull are not involved in the fight

[bronze quail]

So what was the third guy doing?

[unborn smelt]

watching the dead guy

[nova canyon]

Then the left stickman is just wanking somewhere ?

[echo forum]

but the enemy team doesn't know where the third player is

[feral timber]

EXACTLY.

[feral timber]

big loud gun gave it away

[bronze quail]

Oh bodycamping then

[feral timber]

barely but yeah

[nova canyon]

So the issue seems to be your team mate doing nothing, not the revive

[echo forum]

no because....as you team moves up you can also move they won't know lmao

[bronze quail]

Why bodycamp when you can push and make pressure anyway?

[lunar kettle]

That's how we play most of the time and it works fine. Normaly we lose 1 or 2 matches out of 10. Not just because of that but it helps us a lot.

[bronze quail]

I mean, there is no need to bodycamp most of the times if you already have an advantage and put pressure

[echo forum]

because he's mad that if he downs someone they can get rezzed too fast

[nova canyon]

in trio, bodycamping is a good strategy when your two mates can do something

[unborn smelt]

so we got one guy watching the dead guy - who can also provide supressive fire if needed, shoud shit hit the fan for the others pushing 2v2
then you have 2 people pushing that can retreat to an area the third guy can overlook.

vs 2 guys with a dead mate nearby that they may try to get up

[feral timber]

and if they just watch their teammate and one of my teammates tries to secure the body, then what?

[nova canyon]

then they can't rez because the body should be secured

[feral timber]

no, no suppressive fire, there was no angle to join in

in the scenario, the 3rd player cannot help in the gunfight if they're corpse watching

[echo forum]

that's on your team for not baiting or fighting on the side you can see

[unborn smelt]

Sry but to me that sounds like you 3 thought you can just bumrush uncoordinated and be good because 3v2 - but they caugt you guys out in the open because of a sneaky combat res

[echo forum]

he 100% wants a bigger advantage than he already has for securing a down

[feral timber]

In all fairness... that is exactly what should be able to happen. Someone missplayed and they weren't punished for it

[feral timber]

ENTIRELY

[unborn smelt]

okay but how can they not provide supressive fire while watching the body

you don't need to stare the body down in ADS full time

[feral timber]

look having revive is already a luxury, it's not like Tarkov where a death is a death, but the revive is too strong.

[bronze quail]

Sounds like you weren't able to put pressure

[echo forum]

they are punished by losing a health chunk for the entire game.....and because the enemy team now has to find a way to rez their team mate without getting him burned or insta downed again while two other players with grenades,flashes etc rush them.

[lunar kettle]

Let them watch their teammate. It's fine. There is always a way to close the distance in a more or less safe way.

And thats because of you! You can not just secure a body. You can look at the close windows/openings.

[bronze quail]

Never had problems with the revive speed that hunt have

[feral timber]

the situation didn't allow for it

[unborn smelt]

all you need is to see an aproaching teammate attampting a revive, or the revive animation take place

[feral timber]

no BR has a revive like Hunt's, it's the most generous

[echo forum]

if there was no revive no one would play random and the game would not have the playerbase it has . Might as well just make it a solo game at that point.

[unborn smelt]

tbh - big disagree. if you're good you should be able to clutch

[feral timber]

behind a wall that is higher up?

[nova canyon]

Yeaj, like you said, revive is a luxury, because your opponents should be able to prevent them. It's hard to get, the problem is not the revive, it's people thinking that 3v2 is an instant win so they bumrush without connecting their braincells

[echo forum]

Wazone? Apex? lmao

[feral timber]

if you're good you shouldn't have died.

[unborn smelt]

they were disadvantaged - your team just failed to capitalize on the disadvantage they had

[nova canyon]

^

[unborn smelt]

well then goes for all 3 of you too

[echo forum]

tha'ts just stupid in a game where you can be shot from 1000 different bushes. Some of us get tired of wiggling our mouse and jumping every 0.5seconds

[feral timber]

Apex?! You have to collect a token, run to a revive point then play out a long loud animation and you come back with no gear...

[feral timber]

I never said we lost the fight, just the advantage

[unborn smelt]

In apex there's gear lying around, you can move and shield when downed, etc

[echo forum]

in Hunt you literally lose a health chunk for the entire game....idk how you can't wrap your head around what a huge disadvantage this is.

[unborn smelt]

you didn't loose the advantage - you just want a bigger one

[feral timber]

but that only happens when you make too much noise and play like an idiot

[bronze quail]

You literally lose an health chunk and 90% of players are running long ammo*

[unborn smelt]

becaus you failed to capitalize on the advantage of them being down HP and meds

[nova canyon]

yeah exactly, so they were at a disadventage, and they were not good enough to not die. But you were worse for dying in a 3v2

[feral timber]

But it's not punishing enough.

[echo forum]

it is you're just not good enough to actually make use of it yet

[feral timber]

When you die it should be a MASSIVE blow to the team for your fuck up

not something where someone can go "oh yeah no worries, I'll get you up in 4 seconds"

[unborn smelt]

Well that's very subjective - id'd say it is

[nova canyon]

IT IS

[burnt mulch]

skill issue

[unborn smelt]

even too much for my taste

[feral timber]

no it's not. If you think so then you're being revived too much

[nova canyon]

Your are down one mate, and if you revive him, he is one tap

How is that not a punishment

[feral timber]

most people are 1 tap anyway

[burnt mulch]

.. what

[unborn smelt]

yes i am revived often - i literally run Combat axes and Bomblance in 6 star and manage to do decent

[nova canyon]

What

Do you play nitro every matches ?

[feral timber]

because in ANY other game (pretty much) the downed ally is down for the entire fight.

[feral timber]

no, just against good people who can land their headshots

[bronze quail]

And why hunt should be like other games?

[burnt mulch]

lmao.

[bronze quail]

What's the point of that?

[unborn smelt]

I mean they are in Hunt too if you know how to do it

[bronze quail]

So cause on apex reviving is incredibly sñow why hunt should be like that?

Is not even s real battle royale

[nova canyon]

You weren't good enough to secure a revive and then you tell me that everyone is one tap because you only land headshot wtf

[echo forum]

as you can see by the streamers of the game they don't land headshots for even 55% of their shots..

[feral timber]

Is hunt more hardcore than Apex? then why is the reviving more arcadey?

[unborn smelt]

It's fair to want more punishing deaths - it's an opinion

[nova canyon]

Also yeah, once someone is downed, landing a headshot is suboptimal

[echo forum]

Go play Tarkov m8

[unborn smelt]

but it's equally fair to not want that

[burnt mulch]

what is “hardcore”

[nova canyon]

Yeah, Hunt is definitely more hardcore than Apex lol

[feral timber]

fuck that haha

[echo forum]

depends what you mean by hardcore

[feral timber]

a game with this low a TTK and insanely accurate sound mechanics

[burnt mulch]

ok but that has nothing to do with reviving

[feral timber]

Hunt is a punishing game, can we all agree? Then why do deaths not feel that punishing? When I die and am revived, I don't feel like it took too much of a toll and when my teammate dies and I need to revive, I don't feel like it was a chore to do.

[burnt mulch]

that’s your opinion.

[nova canyon]

Dying in two bullets, seeing shit nothing when people shoot at you, not having auto weapons, and the fact that death is a real punishment because you loose stuff, what you don't in a BR game

[feral timber]

DUH.

[feral timber]

this entire thing is opinion based...

[feral timber]

do you think your opinion is a fact?

[burnt mulch]

do you think yours is? cuz ur arguing like it is.

[unborn smelt]

Well and you get a lot of people saying they don't agree with your opinion

[echo forum]

are you in a low mmr? because even at 5mmr with coordinate teams if you team mate is downed by a window or in the open...good luck getting him up if you can't wipe the team.

[feral timber]

you lose a health chunk, in a game where 9/10 times you die in 1 bullet anyway

[burnt mulch]

yeah thats just not true.

[willow cedar]

hello im new, what weapons are good

[unborn smelt]

It's okay to think it's not punishing enough - it'S okay to think it is too punishing

[nova canyon]

That's blatantly false lol

[feral timber]

no. my point is that low MMR players like the fast revive because they need to be revived a lot.

[burnt mulch]

just use a vetterli and a scottfield spitfire you’ll do fine

[feral timber]

WHAT?! ARE YOU JOKING?!

[unborn smelt]

In the beginning i'd start with the Winfield weapon family and then see what you like the feel of

[willow cedar]

thank u bro

i main springfield is bad?

[feral timber]

I swear if you guys aren't one shotting and being one shot most of the time, you're playing a different game.

[burnt mulch]

sorry dude if you’re getting headshot that often maybe you ought to move more.

[echo forum]

I mean revives are harder to pull off in high mmr and would be impossible if they were any slower. High mmr = more players land their shots , are coordinated and know how to push and rotate

[unborn smelt]

Meta at the top is Long ammo - So sparks, Mosin, Berthier, etc

[echo forum]

sounds like you don't know how to move lol

[feral timber]

and if my enemies are too? should they move more?

[nova canyon]

Winfield is the best weapon to learn the game but lack power at ranges. Learn the game with it and go around trying things after ;)

[feral timber]

Like i said, it's on both ends.

[burnt mulch]

its ok. effective for the cost.

[willow cedar]

okkk ty to all

[unborn smelt]

to be fair i get away with very ballsy revives - some may even say stoopid revives in high ELO

[feral timber]

I find it was shit my entire climb, no matter the MMR

[feral timber]

sounds like you need to rely on being revived a lot HAR HAR

[nova canyon]

I see people trying the get revive in the middle of a road in 6*. There's dumb shit in every Elo lol

[feral timber]

This shouldn't be a thing

[echo forum]

yeah but I think that's mostly because revives are silent for a lot of players right now. Sometimes the yolo play is unexpected too and works out

[feral timber]

honestly if you like the revive mechanic as is, you just like being babysat

[echo forum]

more like I revive my friends a lot and we wouldn't play the game if they got perma killed..

[nova canyon]

It's a thing only because people like you can't secure a revive

[unborn smelt]

if they had a combat axe that might have been me

[burnt mulch]

apparently we’re playing different games because this 9/10 headshots thing doesn’t happen to me. You’re stating these things like facts but they dont match my experience.

[nova canyon]

I take notes

[unborn smelt]

If they fail to make sure i don't - yes it should

[feral timber]

I never said perma killed, just make it longer and louder. Easy.

[feral timber]

can't secure a revive? you've come into this late...

[echo forum]

Why? It's already easy to shoot in this game let's not reward campers waiting to click a head even more than they already are.

[feral timber]

so are you not 1 shotting people 9/10 times?

cause you should be,.

[unborn smelt]

My aim is just meh at best - so i learned to win through support and positioning in high ELO

[nova canyon]

You are complaining that revive are too fast, because it look like you got killed by a team that revived his mate. It sounds like you couldn't secure that revive

[feral timber]

you're right, lets reward campers sitting in corners that don't even need to click your head.

[unborn smelt]

the conveniently placed traps, and concertinas, the cheeky revives and when they're cornered bumrushing with an axe is what i perfected

[burnt mulch]

right. everyone should just click heads, its that easy.

[feral timber]

no. I'm complaining that revives are too fast because when I kill someone it shouldn't be easy to get them back up.

[burnt mulch]

nono he’s playing in 7*

[bronze quail]

Making revives slower increases way more camping

[feral timber]

most people do.

[bronze quail]

Everybody camping cause they can't revive

[echo forum]

I mean I would prefer to die by shotgun camper than long ammo camper because you can predict the shotgun camper...as well as red clue mechanic etc. Long ammo is a problem because if they player properly...only long ammo beats long ammo. The shotgun camper takes risk...the bush wookie with marksman scope doesn't.

[burnt mulch]

no they dont.

[unborn smelt]

Nah most people don't actually

[feral timber]

I disagree, I feel like people have to camp bodies now because revives are so fast. so they do.

[unborn smelt]

most dedicated headclicking guns turned out pretty damn weak - while all the ones with very high bodyshot dmg are meta since ~3 years

[feral timber]

then. you're. playing. against. bad. people.

[unborn smelt]

Bruh - i'm playing 6 stars in EU

[echo forum]

Nah I think you just crouch walk and wide swing too much.

[nova canyon]

It's not easy if you secure properly the body

wtf

[burnt mulch]

if you can just click heads, the bornheim is the strongest gun in the game from straight firerate dude.

200 kills per minute

sorry, 180 kills per minute

[feral timber]

the more you talk the less I believe you, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you say you run stupid weapons and no one ever get's 1 shot

[burnt mulch]

9/10 remember

[feral timber]

I think you and the people you're playing against are shit at landing shots

[feral timber]

dis guy doe

[burnt mulch]

am I wrong?

[feral timber]

Doesn't 1-shot to the head.

[burnt mulch]

LOL

dude what game are you playing

cuz its not hunt showdown

[feral timber]

This one my guy

[bronze quail]

No judging here, but can you tell us how many hours you have and what's your average elo?

[feral timber]

where the bornheim DOESNT 1 shot to the fucking head.

[burnt mulch]

how fucking old is that spreadsheet

[echo forum]

nah you're just bad at movement. Players that move properly ( wiggle peek, jump peek, use cracks and windows, don't keep peeking same spot, ADADA strafe are hard to headshot. People that crouch around, wide peek and don't strafe are ez.

[unborn smelt]

Bruh - it does

sure not at any range

[burnt mulch]

the bornheim one shots to head up to 60m

[unborn smelt]

The bornheim deals 74 dmg

[crystal plume]

https://nixatek.com/DamageCalculator.html

[burnt mulch]

what game are you playing

[feral timber]

fair enough, granted I don't use the bornheim and I don't see it much

[burnt mulch]

so why dont people use the bornheim if you can just click heads?

[nova canyon]

So, you agree that you don't know the game you are talking about ? lol

[keen mortar]

If there's no judging, why is that information even relevant? Surely the reason you want it is so you can judge if he's played long enough in a high enough ELO to earn your respect? 😂😂

[unborn smelt]

So (74/1.3) * 6 = 341,53 -> 342 dmg to head point blank

[feral timber]

ease of use? versatility?

[echo forum]

if everyone is just clicking heads you would see it more....because it has high RoF..

[feral timber]

300+ MMR 5, ~1.5 K/D

[burnt mulch]

where do these opinions of yours come from? because they arent rooted in the game apparently

[feral timber]

I'll tell you what I do see a lot, caldwell, uppercut and normal, and it's VERY often 1-shotting from stupid ranges

[burnt mulch]

versatility how? it one shots to the head thats all you need

[echo forum]

if you're regularly getting 1 shot by them at range you move very poorly because they have low velocity lol

[feral timber]

because handling is a thing

[bronze quail]

It's not about judging is about knowing how much he played and how much he knows about the game.

[burnt mulch]

sway is normalized and there are only a few levels of sway. A conversion has as much as a bornheim.

[feral timber]

you keep trying to strawman me and ignore the part where I'm saying that I 1-shot just as much as I get 1-shot, so whats your problem

[nova canyon]

i'm pretty sure you are using strawman wrong

[feral timber]

in fact... I'll use your own argument against you. if people are getting multiple shots, why aren't there more bornheims? it has such a high rate of fire

[feral timber]

probably

it's one of them logical fallacies

[burnt mulch]

because it doesnt kill in 2 shots. a lot of the time it doesnt kill in 3.

thats a huge weakness.

[feral timber]

but ROF BUT ROF THOUHG

[feral timber]

BUT

ROF

see.

nonsense

[echo forum]

start recording it instead of using anecdotal experience. I don't constantly get headshotted. I seem to go through my syringes and medkits most matches...if everyone headshot I might as well not take them!

[burnt mulch]

so? if it kills in 4-5 shots but other guns kill in 2, the other guns can kill faster.

[feral timber]

Okay gimme 1 second

[burnt mulch]

plus, ammo pool.

[nova canyon]

when i get headshotted, most of the time it's a player that is able to secure a revive so my mate can't get me back on my feet, or one lucky mf with dual conversion that should go buy a lottery ticket instead of playing Hunt

[feral timber]

4-5? It's 74 damage, that's 3 at most

[burnt mulch]

arm shots, falloff at range. 74 is at 10m

[feral timber]

EXACTLY.

[unborn smelt]

you know there's dmg falloff and limb modifiers - right ?

[feral timber]

THIS IS WHY PEOPLE DONT RUN IT IN GENERAL

[echo forum]

I mostly get headshot when I'm not paying attention and die to some long ammo camping a bush lol

[feral timber]

it's easier to land shots with other guns.

[burnt mulch]

but it still one shots to head up to60m.

[burnt mulch]

why?

[feral timber]

running around setting off pigeons too much

[nova canyon]

Yeah, it happens too, once i got headshotted because i stopped to scratch my nose for a second :((

[feral timber]

multiple factors, iron sight is a big one for me, I love the scottfield but hate the ironsight

[keen mortar]

Should probably use your mouse hand to do that. 😂

[echo forum]

more like a large percentage of the player base literally just camps 100m outside of compounds with long ammo and I get bored of constantly jerking my mouse off and jump spamming

[nova canyon]

yeah, but the scratch on my nose was on the left, so i used my left hand :((

[burnt mulch]

but thats personal preference. If you get used to the bornheim then it’s the strongest gun in the game, according to 9/10 headshots, right?

so why arent people using it?

[keen mortar]

Sounds like you've got a big ass nose my dude. :')

[echo forum]

the most annoying to me is when you're fighting compound team at boss lair and 2 other teams with long ammo are trying to take you out as you attempt to breach the boss lair and clear barbwire, traps etc

[nova canyon]

I do :((

Once i knocked it on a fall while bouldering

there's still my blood on that rock now

It will be there FOREVER

[feral timber]

because it's not as easy to use

[burnt mulch]

why not? it has the same sway as any other pistol

get out of my dms and talk in public you coward

[feral timber]

Oh I was just sending you my youtube

[feral timber]

The argument works both ways

[nova canyon]

I'm pretty sure this can be considered as spam

[feral timber]

why don't people use it more if it's so good?

[feral timber]

no he just wanted to know about my games and 1 shots, so I showed him

[echo forum]

because it's a 3 shot to the body instead of 2.. and has bad wall pen

[burnt mulch]

because its not good. its only good in the theoretical situation where 9/10 shots are headshots.

bornheim body shots are shit

[feral timber]

So in the off chance you miss your headshot, which does happn ~10% of the time 😉 you might want that better gun...

I never said 100% of the time did I

[burnt mulch]

so? I can just shoot twice

now i headshot 99% of the time

[echo forum]

if everyone was hitting headshots body shot dmg wouldn't matter and only headshot multiplier... everyone goes for headshot but you don't always hit it...sometimes you hit upper chest... better for 2 shot kill than 3

[nova canyon]

Yeah but your youtube is biased, you only put moment worth of interest on it, and i'm pretty sure it's not most of your matches

[feral timber]

nope, some are entire matches hahah

[crystal plume]

It's pointless to try and act like you hit 90% of your headshots, even the top streamers don't always do that. Your youtube will obviously have the best bits of your gameplay which does not give the full story of your gameplay, just like with bigger content creators

[echo forum]

like old dolch was OP because how easy it was to spam 3 bodyshots...not go for headshots

[burnt mulch]

I don’t care about your games or one shots I’m asking you objective questions about the state of the game

[echo forum]

if it was like CS GO easy to headshot in this game too it wouldn't matter that shotguns 1 shot to body...you could just flick shot to head everytime.

[feral timber]

I'm embellishing the 90% or whatever, but my point remains, it's more common to get killed in 1 bullet than 3. And it's more common to kill in 1 bullet than 3.

[echo forum]

I die to 2 shots way more than 1 shot.

[feral timber]

you just said before the shooting in this game is easy

[echo forum]

less than 1/3 of my deaths are headshots if I had to guess

[nova canyon]

In 3k hours, i died more to two shots than to headshot too

[feral timber]

I wish I was this lucky, but I also basically don't take a shot unless I know it's going to kill

[burnt mulch]

so you’re embellishing the 90%. from what, 40?

[echo forum]

it is easy but there is minute sway that can make you miss the head and give you a chest shot as well as bad hit reg

[feral timber]

probably

[burnt mulch]

if its so easy to headshot then why arent the headshot guns good

bruh.

seriously? 40%?

[feral timber]

I'm taking the piss

[burnt mulch]

to 90?

[feral timber]

no

I was joking

[echo forum]

Why? Aim fast...move fast. Aiming slow for guaranteed shot makes you easy to shoot. Also better to take chance on fast shot to flinch other player and get easy follow up.

[burnt mulch]

your jokes are as bad as your logic.
answer me. why is the bornheim still bad if its so easy to click heads

[feral timber]

my point remains, you liabilities can prattle on about your love of the revive timer, fine. I can't really be bothered to continue trying to convince you that you clearly rely on reviving too much, that's painfully obvious to see.

[burnt mulch]

your opinion is based on a fantasy

[feral timber]

your life is.

[echo forum]

Some people are playing chess while others ( you) are playing checkers.

[burnt mulch]

when you have actual arguments you can come back.

[feral timber]

when you're good so can you

[lunar kettle]

Can you all plaese stop to insult each other all the time?

[feral timber]

no I'm playing Hunt, don't know why you're playing chess

[nova canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-from-chessclub-todd-howard-pointing-gif-17426926

[feral timber]

probably wrong discord

[echo forum]

it is mental game more than just shooty shooty game

[nova canyon]

judging by the things you are saying, you are not playing Hunt

[feral timber]

then I might as well go play with excel

[feral timber]

I don't even know who you are

[echo forum]

roblox has some cool all aim no brain games

i play them to unwind sometimes

[feral timber]

figures

[burnt mulch]

I don’t know who you are either.

[nova canyon]

I'm Yaasu, i play video game since i'm three, i have 3k hours in Hunt, i'm also a climber, i have a cat, and i'm belgian, nice to meet you

[feral timber]

nice to meet you Yaasu, you joined the conversation later when I was already tired of it

[nova canyon]

And the reason i make so much typo is because i have fucking huge fingers

[feral timber]

too many people talk at once

[burnt mulch]

cuz you can’t give a straight answer. all you have is “look at my youtube channel, i can headshot 9/10 times and so can everyone else”

[feral timber]

what straight answer have you given?

[nova canyon]

It's a free place, i'm allowed to join whenever i want, and i happen to notice that you don't know what you were talking about by saying "Every gun is a one tap" and "Revive are too fast because i lost a 3v2"

[feral timber]

I didn't say those things, hence why I don't care what you have to say

[burnt mulch]

that if the game was like you describe, then the bornheim would be the best gun in the game. It’s not, because people don’t just headshot.

[nova canyon]

You said that most gun are one taps and you argue for hours that you got killed after you killed someone that got revived, i mean, i'm just paraphrasing

[feral timber]

Bruh, the game is like how I describe because I play it and it plays out like that, if it irks you so much, then that's your problem. Revives are bad and if you rely them... you're bad.

[feral timber]

no I didn't. I said that I kill and get killed mainly in 1-shot, nothing about specific guns. I also positioned a scenario where we didn't get an advantage we deserved, truth be told I don't remember if we won or not.

[burnt mulch]

then whatever game you’re playing, it doesn’t match the experiences of anyone here.

[echo forum]

I watched like 3 of his youtube videos and the guy crouch walks around everywhere...

[burnt mulch]

well that explains a lot.

[nova canyon]

You said you have 300h, i'm pretty sure Potato has 10 times that, so, with how observation and despiction works; i'm pretty sure the way he describe the game is more accurate than yours

[nova canyon]

3* moment

[burnt mulch]

I actually only have 2k hours sadge

[feral timber]

It matches the experiences of some people because I've discussed it with some other people.

[feral timber]

Some people can learn more about a game in 30 hours than some people in 3000 hours.

[echo forum]

it makes sense why he thinks 9/10 kills are headshots

[feral timber]

inb4 a bad joke

[nova canyon]

Yeah but they are smart people that can secure a body

[feral timber]

scenarios don't play out perfectly every time, sorry that in your games everything plays out exactly as you plan, you must have a very high winrate

[burnt mulch]

fire. concertina. poison. watching the body. listening.

[frozen swift]

@long river

this is when you fired

[feral timber]

60m away, 1 floor up, couldn't hear them over the sound of ourselves sprinting in to try and secure the body

[frozen swift]

i am not surprised he didnt die

[feral timber]

wrong channel

[echo forum]

that isn't the shot frame though? It says he still has 2 bullets loaded

[feral timber]

that's in Feedback

[frozen swift]

its the frame right before

there's an animation when you shoot

[burnt mulch]

hold the window you shot them from. Or accept that you got at least a 25 bar and also know exactly where they are for the next 8-10 seconds.

[frozen swift]

and this channel is for discussing said feedback

so not wrong channel

[feral timber]

it was a balcony, I was pretty lucky to land the first shot, all I could see was the head

[frozen swift]

the immediate next frame is this so like

did he not shoot here or maybe there is just an animation on the bullet counter

[echo forum]

yeah but most people micro flick so you need to show the frame of shot not before. I do a bigflick and then micro on target. If you took image of frame before shot I wouldn't be on target

[feral timber]

yeah but this conversation was happening in the feedback channel not the feedback discussion channel

[frozen swift]

joe

[long river]

he died. can you read? this was a trade

[frozen swift]

you arent allowed to discuss in the feedback channel

[feral timber]

ahh fair

[burnt mulch]

bang it. or sometimes bodies arent securable. You depleted healing and got some max life off. You said you were lucky to land the shot? then you’d be lucky to be able to secure it.

[frozen swift]

he didnt die on your screen at all

[long river]

on mu screen he did not die. but we traded

[frozen swift]

btw the way your body fell is just because there was a diagonal wall behind you and it likes to give your body space to exist and not clip

[long river]

he had 10 hp

if I say he died - he died

stop making useless arguments

I would not lie about that

[frozen swift]

i am not saying that he didnt die i am saying he didnt die on your view

calm the fuck down

[nova canyon]

yeah, scenarion don't play out perfectly because YOU made a mistake, not because revive was too fast

[long river]

and we can see that

I don't know what is here to discuss. It was a message for devs

[feral timber]

well I'd have preferred the player not be up on (partially) full health with a shotgun

[feral timber]

disagree.

[feral timber]

there are more moving parts, game isn't in-fucking-fallible

game has flaws, I'm pointing out a big one, get over it.

[burnt mulch]

so why do you “deserve” the advantage?

you couldn’t secure it

so you lost some of it

[feral timber]

I know you have 10,000,000 hours in it, so you clearly eat, sleep, breath, pay, love Hunt, but it's not perfect and when people come to die on the sword for it, you make the game worse as a whole. it can be improved.

[echo forum]

All subjective. I think the game has a ton of flaws too but the revive time is not one of them lol..

[burnt mulch]

its not perfect but your arguments for why it’s imperfect and where are flawed.

[feral timber]

you literally just said my opinion is subjective then gave an opinion as though it was objective...

[feral timber]

fucking hypocrite

[echo forum]

no it was my subjective opinion

[feral timber]

I can only make them based on MY experience, get over yourself.

[feral timber]

then don't try and act like it's not.

[frozen swift]

just watched your clip btw joe, that uh - definitely should not have been a death

[burnt mulch]

your experience isn’t even consistent. I asked you about the bornheim and you still havent given me an actual answer.

[echo forum]

bruh I never acted as an authority on the game but as you can see your opinion is in the minority here

[feral timber]

There are flaws in the game, my issues with it aren't the same as your's but they're just as valid.

[feral timber]

I have no words for it

[feral timber]

Because I don't have an answer for you... Or at least one you liked

[feral timber]

so the minority doesn't deserve an opinion? okay

[echo forum]

top effort troll

[burnt mulch]

its not a matter of an answer I like, it’s a matter of an answer that I haven’t sufficiently rebutted with logic.

[feral timber]

you said it

[feral timber]

your "rebuttle" is Reddit-level

or discord mod level

[burnt mulch]

rebuttal*

[feral timber]

that

[frozen swift]

correcting grammar because youre losing the argument

cmon dude that's weak shit

not everyone speaks english as a first language

[nova canyon]

He is not losing the argument

[burnt mulch]

if you want you can restate your argument for why the bornheim isn’t used despite being a 180 kills per minute headshot machine (since you say people one shot headshot 9/10 times)

[nova canyon]

Joe is still making non sense

[burnt mulch]

and I’ll refute each and every one.

[feral timber]

joe is trying to talk to 17 people at once and can't coherently respond so it's hard

gimme 1 second potato, chat has calmed so I can give you my full answer

[frozen swift]

if potato felt at all they were winning this they wouldnt be so petty as to correct grammar

[burnt mulch]

thats pure assumption lol

[frozen swift]

oh yes im sure you just did it to teach them the correct spelling out of the pure kindness of your heart

[burnt mulch]

what is your point here?

just to attack me or what?

[frozen swift]

that correcting grammar in an argument is just a shit thing to do that makes your position look weak

[wind stream]

What is going on here?

[burnt mulch]

ok then I won’t.

moving on then?

idk i corrected joe’s spelling and ashley is on my ass

[wind stream]

Let's just move back to being civil, correcting grammar especially in a heated argument can come off rude, but no need to comment on that over and over

lets get back to actually talking about feedback/ suggestions

in a friendly manner preferably

[feral timber]

While I find that most of my deaths and most of my kills have been in 1-shot, maybe I'm exaggerating because you feel them way more, but that's how I recount this game. I don't think the Bornheim is taken very often because of a number of reasons:

1. It IS a pistol so it has all the draw backs of most pistols (not counting Uppercut and Sparks cause they're stronger)
2. Pistols are normally fall back weapons, you don't use them as your primary means of landing that one shot (for the most part, there are some exceptions)
3. Bornheim isn't a strong pistol to fall back on because anything outside of the headshot isn't worth the damage.
4. You want consistencies as well as 1-shot-ability, so in the cases where you miss than one shot, you want to be able to follow it up with good damage.
5. The Sparks LLR (was and still kind of is) is meta, it does a ton of damage, so you'd think the bornheim would be a great fall back to that, but it's not, because if you miss that sparks shot you want something strong to fall back on.
6. Other pistols are easier to track in clutch situations where you need that headshot for those 1 in a million "pistol beat shotgun" scenarios.
7. Just because something sounds good on paper doesn't always translate as well in practice.
8. You said it yourself, it's got 1-shot headshot capabilities, and with a 200+ RPM it can get off 4 shots faster than some pistols can get off 2, not to mention the Sparks pistol only has 1 shot and the Uppercut has crazy recoil so in close range it should win, why isn't it taken? Because it's unreliable, it's got other factors going for it besides it's damage that need consideration.

[keen mortar]

Can we perhaps instead of yelling, give constructive feedback on how to improve, both individually and as a team? And saying "get good" is just useless.

For example, where all this started from was res times. If you're attacking as a team, what is the best strategy for seiging? Running into a building blind, with your trousers down will only get you shot. And if you pop a peaker, they'll just get revived over and over. And wait too long, you'll get third partied.

[feral timber]

The general consensus has been, the one doing the popping should refrain from sieging and body camp until the sieging teammates can secure the body, but I've found that it doesn't play out like that, the dead body still has teammates and if your teammates spend too long trying to secure someone whose dead, they're just as likely to end up dead themselves.

There is also some weird posturing going on where some people's experience doesn't reflect others, but I don't know if that comes from a sense of defending a game they like and are scared it's being attacked or just a general sense of challenging a mechanic they otherwise like/rely on, I don't really get what the big deal is personally, supposedly reviving is super hard to do anyway, so I don't know why making it longer and louder would really effect that