feedback-discussion

[queen jungle]

dynamic bosses they move across the map / roaming bosses

mini bosses I mean

like witch from L4D

[crystal plume]

Damn that's crazy, it's almost as if we're talking about a game with dying horses instead of real life

[nova canyon]

A dying horse, even domesticated, will scream

[crystal plume]

If only the devs took the stuff they made seriously by interacting with the real guns while modeling them and such, oh wait they've already done that as seen on one of the old dev vlogs

[nova canyon]

and i have two, healthy one, in my garden

[crystal plume]

Horses get spooked really easily

I wonder if you've interacted with horses

[late wind]

I'm not saying they're silent. But a winnie doesn't carry that far. Especially through things that absorb sound. Like dense vegetation.

[nova canyon]

Oh yeah, i forgot that sound wasn't for gameplay purpose

[queen jungle]

wheres ryse, son of rome when you need him

rome DLC when

[late wind]

If what you say is correct, then they really need to take another pass at it.

[crystal plume]

If you're being ignorant on purpose then I'm not gonna bother engaging in a discussion either, so I'll just agree to disagree very heavily

[tribal wyvern]

Whenever someone mentions operations health, it's clear as day to me, someone did not play during that time.
Ye, lets bring that here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj4T2eDDWhc

It wasnt until many months later, game got fixed. Beyond operation health.

[nova canyon]

Operation Health was a living nightmare

[late wind]

I haven't seen the vlog. So I'm just taking your word that it exists.

[half stag]

https://youtu.be/FrV0Cptx7fg here

[native lodge]

domesticated horses are pretty chill until wounded and vulnerable. the bigger question is how are they still alive but I assume thats just sculptor things

[half stag]

The first minute, you can see they have a couple Denix replicas they used to model the guns.

[nova canyon]

that's just a gameplay thing tbh

[native lodge]

ye

[nova canyon]

But i'm pretty sure they only have broken legs or something

[native lodge]

the sculptor breaks their legs and places them there for hunters to trip over

[late wind]

Again. They really need to do another pass then. Because man some of the stuff is way off. To the point where it impacts gameplay in some fringe cases.

[radiant river]

Such as?

[native lodge]

I would say they over all did a good job in that regard got a few nitpicks but nothing more than that

[late wind]

There's fairly harmless examples: Such as the C96. Which should be the cone-hammer style without the lightening cuts.

Then there's farily impactful ones which change gameplay substantially. Such as the sights on the lebel which make it worse. Or the bent bolt handle on the mosin which makes it cycle faster, as well as better sights than its irl counterpart.

And while not OP in the slightest, the Nagant revolver cannot be fanned irl. Also it's been made a bit too big in game.

[nova canyon]

Most of those nitpicks are there for balance purpose, like the way you reload most of the guns

[native lodge]

yeah most of my nitpicks are so minor

that it would pretty much be a waste of their time to address them

[half stag]

Only one I really agree with is the mosin bolt handle, as they had the normal straight one in game but changed all of them to be "consistent" with the sniper variant. And I suspect they wanted to differentiate it slightly more compared to the lebel as well.

[native lodge]

its also clear the hunters modified the weapons themselves

[nova canyon]

@late wind it's not a C96, it's a Dolch

Dolch doesn't exist

[native lodge]

also true

[unborn smelt]

i mean it is a C96

[late wind]

Okay that's just being intentionally obtuse. It's clearly a C96

[nova canyon]

It is C96 inspired

[half stag]

Bruh

[native lodge]

Dolch 96

[nova canyon]

But it's not a C96

[unborn smelt]

but they did state in the past - were in an alternate timeline where stuff developed diffrently

[native lodge]

^^^

exactly

[vital drum]

That sounds like absolutely nothing of actual substance to a game.

[late wind]

Yeah. I know. I said I gave examples of things that do and don't impact gameplay.

[unborn smelt]

So we cant really go nitpick dates that aren't at least like 10 years out of the context of the game

[half stag]

It's not like in the dev diary, they were using a C96 Replica to model the "Dolch" on

[nova canyon]

"Yeah, the nagant has no real upside over the officer beside fanning, let's make it unnable to fan because it's more historycaly accurate"

[native lodge]

some guns are very clearly heavily based on real counterparts, but this is not historical fiction and that gives the devs some wiggle room for aesthetics and weapon function

[half stag]

If realism doesn't jive as good gameplay or is consistent with mechanics, it will be changed obviously

[nova canyon]

If i wanted to play a gun sim, i'd play gun and sausages

or whatever it's called

[late wind]

I disagree. Making the guns more realistic would make the game much more fun.

[nova canyon]

No ?

[late wind]

The nagant revolver would be basically recoilless lmao.

[nova canyon]

Imagine if you had to reload the sparks with actual blackpowder

[half stag]

We already do though, no?

[vital drum]

This isn't a historical document, the principle of wanting a game to approach is fine to want, but it's not something you can genuinely criticize the devs for.

[nova canyon]

Yeah, and then it would be OP

[late wind]

The sparks (sharps) used self contained cartridges.

[half stag]

That contain black powder

[late wind]

So? The uppercut exists.

[native lodge]

which would need cleaning after frequent use

[nova canyon]

Imagine if we had to dismount all the Lemat for reloading it each time

[half stag]

Well, there's an actual version of the in-game lemat

[late wind]

Cartridge fed Lemats exist. They're just ugly as sin.

[half stag]

So it can be fudged to say a qualified gunsmith, did some work on the lemat

[nova canyon]

But you still have to dismount it for reloading the shotgun shell

[unborn smelt]

pretty sure that's a regular muzzle loaded barrel - not actually dismounting the gun

[half stag]

https://youtu.be/Nc5fnuO50o8 this is the only lemat conversion that closely matches the in-game version, albeit you still need to muzzle load the shotgun

[nova canyon]

Then you have your answer, just imagine some qualified gunsmith worked on the game weapon. Wich is basically what devs say when they say that things basically develloped in other way because alternate universe

[unborn smelt]

might be wrong tho - which i'll gladly accept if proven wrong

[half stag]

Yep

[queen jungle]

im parched, i cant drink water in this game

literally unplayable

[native lodge]

either way, its established that these weapons by in large are not 1 to 1 with historical weapons, heavily based on them sure. but the devs actively choose not to make them carbon copies because gameplay comes first

[nova canyon]

And again, if you need a game to fullfill your gun nerd wet dreams, there are games for that

[half stag]

Heavily based on them to the point that the real world version's development history is copied 1 to 1 for 99% of the arsenal in the book of weapons.

[native lodge]

but still not 100%

for any of them

[odd cosmos]

The Lore explains it too; most guns used by the AHA are modified to fit the Hunters need or smuggled by the Gunrunner (which would explain whycertain parts don't match with irl counterparts/different "stats")

[unborn smelt]

not only that - quite a few of the things claimed by Stag were explained in the past (turned down bolt handle on mosin - doesn#t make it shoot faster, is just so no clipping issues with sniper variant)
And the Lebel sights i still don't believe because a quzick google search pretty much only shows similar sights to the ingame ones

[half stag]

Give me an example please

[unborn smelt]

altho admittedly there are also some found with the same sights as the berthier

[late wind]

I don't need a game. I've got functioning examples irl. I'm just astonished that I, some guy, can get these and see them, but a major studio with money and resources can't.

[native lodge]

that none of the guns are 1 to 1 copies?

[half stag]

I already acknowledged that some, like the Romero, have made up histories

[unborn smelt]

Which in the end just means both exist and both are indeed viable to model the gun after

[nova canyon]

Post Scriptum has exactly the same sight on the lebel

[native lodge]

yep,

[nova canyon]

They can, they just don't want to make carbon copy because GAMEPLAY

[half stag]

Thought you were referring to my reference of the book of weapons lore on the weapons being mostly the same as their real counterparts

[radiant river]

You are assuming these differences were made unintentionally and are effecting balance but it would make more sense if they were done intentionally to balance those things in a certain way

[unborn smelt]

here's a nice one with the curved Berthier sights on a lebel

But then again from the same sight and pic collection is this lebel

[odd cosmos]

From what I know, Berthier and Lebels where made with similar/interchangeable parts because it was more practical for the French Army to replace them (both where commissoned to serve respectively for Cavalry and Infantry)

[late wind]

That's correct.

[native lodge]

yeah they are mostly the same

[unborn smelt]

oh absolutely - i don't say they never existed in the slightest

just saying the blocky sights were a thing too

so they can't really be flagged as wrong IMO

[late wind]

1st pattern Lebels had "barely corn" style front posts and wide rear leaves.

[odd cosmos]

yeah, both did exist

[late wind]

2nd pattern had blocky front posts and stair-stepped rear leaves.

[native lodge]

also I think the they just picked different sight style for their two bolt action long ammo rifles for game play purposes

either way, all of this is nitpicking. and isn't worth changing at this point

[nova canyon]

and i'm pretty sure that beside the few gun nerds, nobody care

the only thing i care with my lebel sight is that i can hit my shots up to 250m

the same go with the dolch, i don't care about the hammer, i'm too focused on aiming to see it

[warm zephyr]

@outer wedge pockets are nice. the remark about lady stuffs is unnecessary tho

[hidden smelt]

instead of fixing/changeing summons midweek fix fucking concertina going through walls/floors or fix the reconnect feature or fix something else

[tawny tangle]

Why are people so against find dead bodies? There are plenty of games where ive come in a killed 2teams but they had kille a team so 3 random bodies are strewn around. Its not a rat issue its more a “ i was on the other side of the map” issue.

[nova canyon]

Information basically

[prime ibex]

@tawny tangle It's because it can be used while during a fight. Kill a hunter, watch his body without even needing to peek.

[tawny tangle]

Ok but what if it considers certain things like if its revivable? Also watching without peeking is safer but inferior, not only will you need to ready your weapon, but then reposition an look for the revived player. Watching someones body in DS Doesnt seem that crazy of a rebuttal

[nova canyon]

It's always revivable since the introduction of Bounty revives, and you could just watch in darksight trough a wallbangable wall, and just go "bang" when you hear revive sound for exemple

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[prime ibex]

@tawny tangle It's enough that'll change the situation to be more favorable to the user. It isn't like Necromancy where it's properly balanced.

Best way to put it in play is that there's a bounty team that just took out another team, and you knowing where their bodies are can provide more leverage than it would seem. Situations vary each time but it still does more than it has on paper than in play.

[tawny tangle]

But any decent player can play to counter that, “im rezzing watch for peek”

Otherwise like said above, sit and wallbang from the sound

If you guard a body in sight youre at a disadvantage for when they revive, unless you basically have 2 people watching the body,

It just sounds so poor of a rebuttal to me

Whether thats just console mentality or what,

If you sit in DS to watch a body, by the time they get revived they have a better chance of escape than if you just fully watch the body, time to down you DS then up your gun to aimed position is like 2 seconds and they have a better chance of escape

But i digress, what if it was just for fully killed teams?

So you can loot without gunfight repercussions

[nova canyon]

You know that a body won't move right ?

So you just watch it in dark sight, set up a straight line behind cover, wait for revive sound, shoot

[half stag]

@digital nacelle or just change it to a regular schofield with a "skullcrusher grip", would serve the same function as a brawler but also give a new aesthetic to the arsenal and potential new blunt melee variants for sidearms

[abstract elm]

@odd cosmos While I believe air powered rifles did exist at this time(and earlier, think lewis and clark used some amazingly early ones(would have to double check some stuff to be sure of this though)) they were definitely rare, expensive, and think it was more than 1 pump per shot... though Id have to look back through some of my books and/or google to be sure, so that weapon idea might be interesting but unsure how it would actually turn out

[nova canyon]

Pipe gun like in metro plz

[abstract elm]

I mean there are a few ways they could balance seeing bodies, they could need the bodies to be dead a certain amount of time before seen in DS, they could do something with range, they could make the body invisible depending on proximity to its allies(which would let you know if a living ally is near it but depending on range of that and the fight... big whoop)

[odd cosmos]

I was inspired by the Girandoni, which shoots in semi auto, the pipe gun from metro and the Laser Musket from Fallout 4

I don't how it would work in terms of realism but we have the Holy Bomblance everything is possible

[tawny tangle]

You can set up a cover shot without dark-sight though.

And you need to be fast enough and accurate enough

[nova canyon]

Yeah but that's way harder than just aiming a bit higher than the body you see trough the wall lol

if you just see the body in dark sight, you set up your shot by looking the wall, looking at the body, then moving your mouse a quarter inch higher

Then you just wait for the go and left clic

[fluid locust]

if it's not revivable that's also info by telling you that team is wiped/it was a solo etc

[dense sapphire]

@prime ibex (Characteristics)
Those feel way more in line for an RPG than Hunt. As much as I like optimized stat spreads and whatnot, it really doesn't belong in Hunt.

[burnt mulch]

@hasty birch the 9th summon is always something tied to a skin, which I don't want rewards to be locked behind. Plus, it already has a BB reward. I don't think it should be rewarded quite that much.

I'm already slightly annoyed that the 9th summon gives BBs in the first place, but 5BBs isn't very much so it's ok I guess.

[hasty birch]

i feel like 25 is quite low, both for summons and daily extractions

3 good games and you get 25

good to hear more thoughts on it tho :D

[burnt mulch]

I think 25 is quite a lot, personally. 3 good games is a little optimistic to me, but still, assuming you get even half good games, thats 6 matches for 25BB

but shrugs I guess that's a matter of opinion.

[inner loom]

We've heard that the BB system is already burdening profits for CryTek.
I doubt adding yet another source of BB income for the group of people that spends the least per hour played is gonna happen.
I'd love it, as I always diligently do all my summons, but you already get individual rewards: Rifles, pistols, explosives, etc.

[hasty birch]

true

[inner loom]

Maybe they wanna throw us an extra 5. I'd like it.
But I'd like it more if Hunt kept running.

[fluid locust]

they're not gonna go broke from giving more bbs

especially considering p much all the new skins are like 800+ bbs

[prime ibex]

@dense sapphire It was a bit of an ambitious idea of mine, I knew it probably wouldn't go anywhere for Hunt lol

[inner loom]

They literally talked about their finance streams.
Every 100BB earned only means 10BB bought.
If you match up the prices you see how little that actually is.

It means for every 1000BB skin bought, they only earned money worth 100BB.

[fluid locust]

there's already like 40+ paid dlcs

most people rather buy that then BBS

not to mention if you did buy BBs, it's a massive ripoff

who wants to pay like $10 for a single ass skin when you can get a DLC pack and get like 4?

[inner loom]

We don't have the luxury of selling each skin to 2million people.
If you do the math, you'll see how little actually comes out of the playerbase.
It doesn't run a company, mate.

[fluid locust]

imo if they really want people to buy BBs they should have a bunch of cheap skins and then maybe some exclusive bundled skins for BBs or some shit.

[fluid locust]

it doesn't need to run the company. only the hunt team and server upkeep

[inner loom]

This isn't charity.
It needs to run the company and a profit.
Pardon my doubt, but I think they've got sales experts that know a bit more than you.

Especially if people keep asking for constant upgrades, constant fixes and more and more new content.

[fluid locust]

shrug if they were so smart they'd make the game free to play at this point

since they claim they don't sell enough copies

might as well make it free to play and sell skins instead

[inner loom]

I'm sure you've done the full market analysis to know these things...

[fluid locust]

like every successful game ever has done

[inland yoke]

ngl the quality of most skins aren't worth spending money on either imo. I usually buy a lot of skins when i play games, but Most Hunt skins (especially weapons) are just not interesting enough to spend 5-10€ on.

[somber harbor]

I don't think you understand that Hunt is their only long running product

[fluid locust]

valorant, Warzone, fortnite, even CSGO is doing it now

[somber harbor]

taking a look at other companies like square enix, yeah the Final Fantasy MMOs only need to make enough money to pay the devs and keep the game afloat, it benefits the whole company if they make more

which is what they've done

with the exception of the trainwreck known as 14 1.0 which nearly bankrupted the company lmao

[inner loom]

Suppose we make 10 bucks per event pass and actually managed to sell it to all 38k players at peak.
That's 380.000.
How long do you think that keeps the company afloat?
Take your time, I don't want a tossed-out estimate.
I mean a real effort at thinking how far 380.000 gets a company that has more than 250 people on payroll, let alone equipment and running costs.

And then consider that's not even the actual profit.
Taxes, middlemen, and more get in-between.

[somber harbor]

Not to mention hunt is a one time payment game, you buy it and you own it, you don't pay a subscription to crytek or anything

[odd cosmos]

Most player would only buy 2-3 DLCs for a specific skin. Most of the people I played with never got more than 4. Yes, there is a lot of DLCs, but not a lot of people buy them, and not a lot of people play Hunt in the first place.

[somber harbor]

and given that a lot of us have 1000+ hours on the game, a bit of extra money to unlock some event skins is fine

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[somber harbor]

Honestly I'm surprised they didn't monetise events sooner, every other game with a battle pass type system does it

[odd cosmos]

To add on the lack of players; the game is on a very hard spot rn because a lot of new players get into the game but the servers can't handle that many players, so the connection is far from ideal thus the new players leave and the numbers stagnate/rise veeeeeery slowly

[inner loom]

They did.
Cicada was 800BB.
It just hasn't happened yet in this manner because putting systems in place takes time.
Events don't just happen on a whim, they need months, if not a year of work.
And the new staff for monetization is quite recent.

They're systematically draining BB from veterans.

[somber harbor]

yeah they didn't monetise the main rewards of it though

You got a lot out of events without paying a single bit of money

and even then the gilded path is still technically completely free

because you can just not be an idiot with your blood bonds

[inner loom]

You still get a lot out of this one the same way.
I am baffled how much value I get compared to other games.
People throw out names quickly, but Valorant makes you pay an easy 30 quid for some skins.
Like, brother.
And then Hunt needs to give out free BB?

[somber harbor]

it already does give out free BB

it's slow yeah but you get enough of them just by playing the game

[inner loom]

I hope you know I'm referring to the original ask for extra 25 at 9 tasks completed.

[somber harbor]

oh right yeah lol

[inner loom]

That's 100BB in a month. 1200 a year.
A skin and a half.

[somber harbor]

on top of what you get from just playing the game normally too

and any gold cash registers

and the blood bond bags throughout the maps

[inner loom]

Events themselves also earn extra BB.
People don't even take that into consideration.
There's medals for event points.
Every time you earn a silver medal, that's 1 BB extra. 3 for a gold medal.
Per match played.

[fluid locust]

that's cap

[odd cosmos]

You can get more skins than that, if you spend your BBs when the skin is on sale absolutely not what I did for Hail Mary

[fluid locust]

according to steam charts hunt is #43 most played game by current players

that's not even accounting for console playerbase either

[odd cosmos]

I doubt most of these players will stay

[somber harbor]

most of them don't stay

[odd cosmos]

With how much there's people complaining here about everything

[somber harbor]

console playerbase is very connected lol

[fluid locust]

game has an average of 12k players

it's like 16k now because of event

but still p high

[inner loom]

I buy anything and everything on sale - I'm not financially strong.
The amount of content I get compared to other games is little comparison.
I play MTGA at competitive levels, having been rank 1 on the world ladder.
I barely have an 80% complete collection.
In Hunt I'm about to have everything but event items in less than half a year.
And I easily spent 500 bucks on MTGA in 3 years.
Hunt I've spent less than 50 for.

[odd cosmos]

This 👍

[inner loom]

Sales are more than generous.
Skins are not really 10 bucks.

[fluid locust]

hella cap if you say you bought all dlcs for less than 50 lol. even on sale p sure the collectors editions are like $80

[inner loom]

What games out there even let you buy the newest DLC at 56% discount?
Anyone know Paradox Games?
They still charge 25$ for DLCs that are confirmed to break their games.

[somber harbor]

To be entirely honest here as well, we're incredibly lucky the devs don't monetise the guns themselves lmao

[odd cosmos]

I'm around 250 hours in the game, got most of the BBs skins I found cool without paying anything. The system around BBs is pretty good as it is now.

[inner loom]

Mr. Marketing expert, you're assuming my region.

[odd cosmos]

Paradox are rats

[somber harbor]

take dead by daylight for example, the new survivors and killers can technically be considered its equivalent of a loadout and each dlc you just buy to access them

[fluid locust]

what magical region do you live in?

[odd cosmos]

For Paradox it's even worse than that, because their 25$ DLCs contain new gameplay features while Hunt's are only cosmetic

[inner loom]

I don't know any magical region.
And you haven't even considered answering me earlier.
You're out of this for me, I'm not talking to someone that so deliberately wants to drive their opinion as fact while disregarding everyone else.

[fluid locust]

aka known as flee from questions because you full of shit lol

[inner loom]

Absolutely. They gate everything behind DLC.
It's like buying a burger and they only give you a bun and a slice of meat. Buy the rest for the experience.

[inner loom]

You've shown your own competence plentiful.

Now stop pinging me.

Please, thank you.

[fluid locust]

I'm questioning how someone can own all dlcs for under $50 when all DLCs items on sale makes collectors edition like $90 and I own like 7 dlcs already lol

(and the base game)

[inner loom]

I asked you on friendly terms, but you see no reason.
Make all assumptions you want, I'm blocking you now.
Yell at the wall, not at me. Thank you.

[fluid locust]

lol

[somber harbor]

Get the game on sale then get the dlcs when on sale

Sinple really

[fluid locust]

that's what I'm saying

all DLCs on sale at the same time makes collectors edition like $90

that's including me already owning the base game and like 7 dlcs already

so him saying he got them under $50 is a bald faced lie

especially considering the game itself is $20 by itself

on sale

[odd cosmos]

The game can go around 10-15 buck on Steam sales, same for the DLCs that can go at a very cheap price. Add to that the possibility of Malicious to live in a country where video games are cheaper and bam, you get the skins for 50 bucks

For example, a friend of mine got the game for 15€

[inner loom]

I never even said I own everything yet.
But they malding.
I estimate needing another 30 to complete my collection.

[fluid locust]

the historical low for the base game is $15

[somber harbor]

Mans not heard of the gamesharing off of a friend who hates hunt price of totally free

[odd cosmos]

My memory is as good as my aim, so I'll believe in what you say for that

[inner loom]

I think there's a general problem in hearing.
It tends to happen with the ears and takes focus.
Yet talking also needs focus and happens with the mouth.
Few know to use both at the same time.

[fluid locust]

I just looked it up lol I never knew it went for $15 I thought the lowest was $20

[fluid locust]

you can game share hunt? I thought they disabled that a while ago. had a friend who had 2 accounts and he shared the game off the other one and it wouldn't work so he had to use the account he didn't wanna use

[somber harbor]

On console yeah

My mate danny who lived in iran used it to play with us

[fluid locust]

fair enough. can't do that on PC anymore sadly. probably so people can't smurf or some shit lol

[somber harbor]

Based. Fuck smurfs

Each smurf should require buying the game again

[fluid locust]

yea it's kinda cringe to smurf in hunt. not like you get anything out of it

seen a decent amount of people do it though to try and cheese the leaderboards

[inland yoke]

You don't get anything from smurfing in other games either. Feel like it's just people having fun playing against noobs

[fluid locust]

yea but you don't even get that in hunt. the SBMM just kinda throws you towards the top if you're even remotely competent

[odd cosmos]

Based.

[dense sapphire]

@burnt mulch (Fix Alamo Clunkiness)
I wholeheartedly agree. Currently, the animations practically lie to you and makes the gun feel awful to use at times.

[worthy lake]

Hitreg biggest issue in this game by far, its unreal.

[tawny tangle]

Thats dumb

any decent player knows when a team is fully dead relatively fast, so even to counter that, if a team is fully dead for 5 mins let their body be visible

[tawny tangle]

Shotguns have become unusable for me since start of event

[worthy lake]

i think shotguns and poison ammo are meta right now and its so annoying

[wind stream]

@tight hatch the RPM for single shot weapons doesnt take the reload into account. It is basically a metric for how long you are stuck in the recoil animation.

You can check the sparks RPM to really see it. Its incredibly low since it doesnt take the 4s reload into account

[unborn smelt]

I think its important to highlight, they do lots and lots of DLC for customisation, exactly because they keep all the actual content free. (which plenty of other games monetise directly)
No DLC maps, bosses, guns, etc.

The Burger analogy is pretty wrong, but i cant make it work for burgers so lets use smth else.

Its like buying a car where you get all improovements to the actual chassis and machinery is free - but everything that changes the visuals will cost you

[nova canyon]

Isn't that already the case ? Don't you pay the paintjob of your car ?

[unborn smelt]

Yes - but you dont get a free better engine, wheels or more functions...

[nova canyon]

You're right

[unborn smelt]

So hunt is like everyone gets the same car, and a lifetime of free upgrades on chassis and machinery whenever they improove smth - but for that to stay free every bit of unnecessary customisation like paintjobs etc will cost ya

[fathom geyser]

@novel sapphire good luck blocking people from AltF4ing, cuz thats what they'll do instead

[nova canyon]

Also, people leaving the game are a non issue, it just makes the match easier for you lol

And since they die, they are still lootable

[novel sapphire]

of course there are still ppl who'd do that, but I'd like to prevent accidental leaving.

[vale cedar]

stopping players from doing what they want to do seems like a terrible idea

tbh

[nova canyon]

Well, yes and no

You have to stop player to do certain thing

But leaving the game is not one, if you don't want to play, you are free to leave, game ain't a prison

[hazy quartz]

wasn't this more to prevent like accidentally leaving? a 5 second timer would be enough 🤔

[nova canyon]

I mean if you accidentally press a big red button that says leave match, i don't think it's an accident

Also, i think there already is a warning if you die and then press leave

[hazy quartz]

no one reads warnings
is it actually red? never paid attention.
but i think there is some merit to the idea to block the button for a few seconds, works probably better than a pop up message you have to confirm.

"wake up gamer, your teammates are still alive, don't leave yet!"

[nova canyon]

I don't think it's red now that you say it

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[lone aurora]

@forest merlin
Players killed = the amount of players YOU killed
killed by player = the amount of times YOU were killed by players
kill assist = the amount of assistances towards a kill you did without getting the final hit (you damage a player, a teammate finishes him)
not that hard...
players killed + assistances / killed by player = your KD

[nova canyon]

@static hamlet The copy of the skin without unlock are not in the pass, they are free and given to give you a taste of the skin, so you Can choose if you want the guilded path or not

[crystal plume]

I also don't really see the argument about it making the pass look fuller when we have games with 100 battlepass levels with pretty much 90% consistent of filler content like calling cards, emblems and such

[nova canyon]

Also this

[crystal plume]

Hunt's battlepass doesn't have any filler content imo, all skins look great and unique, blood bonds are nice to get back, the story chapters are interesting as well even though I've never really cared about the lore

[nova canyon]

Story chapter are cool, because #lore-discussion Can make short version for me

@lethal oyster Weapon skin are shown on the death screen

Also, if i buy skins, it's for me to see them, not my opponent lol

[crystal plume]

Same, at least when it comes to the weapon skins

Wish we had inspect animations for them tho to see more of the details ingame

[nova canyon]

I mean, if you buy skin to dab on your opponent, you Can just show them your Steam Wallet, it's not like it's just money

[lethal oyster]

That's obviously a matter of preference. Perspectives may differ

[nova canyon]

And i really do not want Things like Titles and such, see the comment Diiba made about Battlepass a few message earlier

[crystal plume]

Character customization I'd like to still see

[lethal oyster]

I don't see what's the problem with filler content. I'd much rather have 10 things with only 4 of them being significant than having only those 4 things.

[crystal plume]

Titles wouldn't make sense monetization wise and would have to be something you unlock, which would be fine imo

I think I suggested a while ago allowing you to unlock the nicknames in hunter names like "headshot" by completing certain challenges and then letting people use any of them on any hunter

Having less good things means I get those good things faster and they spend less resources on making the near useless filler content

[worthy knoll]

The sunglasses are there because a lot of hunters have the same face. The sunglasses hide that.
The legendaries are not designed from scratch unfortunately.

[crystal plume]

So I'd rather see them keep this "short" battlepass setup with maybe 20 levels rather than copy the games with 100 levels that take ages and have maybe 3 good skins

[crystal plume]

Some of them are unique, some not

[lethal oyster]

Sunglasses still look awful on most of them

[nova canyon]

Why have titles when you can just change your steam name

[static hamlet]

@nova canyon Most of us hardcore players bought the gilded path before checking what contains because we knew we want whatever is extra. While i understand your point of view, trying to spin this as beeing a benefit for people who didn't bought the gilded path doesn't work because: 1. if that's true you're baiting people into buying skins by giving them a taste; 2. people who buys the gilded path nevertheless, stand to lose because of these "so many rewards". All the items could of easily been included in 6-7 chapters instead of 20 but by marketing standards a "higher number" will result into more buyers, which again, a scummy tactic move.

[lethal oyster]

Coz I'm not on steam lole

[nova canyon]

i honestly never look at my opponents name

[static hamlet]

@nova canyon also, if you watch the "free skins" they are ALL in the gilded path, so i don't know what you're talking about

[nova canyon]

Getting them x3 is for free, their unlock are in the pass

[static hamlet]

I suggest you look closer

[nova canyon]

that's not scummy to give you a taste of what you can buy every brand does it, that's just marketing lol

Have you ever been to a supermarket ? Have you ever seen those guy giving free Ben and Jerrys just so you can get a taste of it ?

[static hamlet]

again, look at the "free skins" they are in the gilded path mate

not sure what you're talking about there

[nova canyon]

yeah, so you never got out of your home

You are just complaining for the sake of complaining because the game give you things

[static hamlet]

ah, so now that you acctualy saw that you're comment was useless and not even accurate, you try to deflect the subject

whatever, at least shut up and when you answer, make sure you have the necesary information

[nova canyon]

All i see is "Reee, there's free stuff in the short battlepass"

[lethal oyster]

I hate free stuff

[nova canyon]

everybody does, stop giving me things

[worthy knoll]

Yeah some, but a lot have generic faces with sunglasses and a hat or something to obfuscate this. Hail Mary for example.

This is not necessarily a bad thing. But I think he has a point saying that there are a lot of new skins with sunglasses....

[lethal oyster]

I think it is a bad thing. Legendaries are supposed to be unique. Of course, if they are designed with a face covering from the beginning it's fine to use a generic face. But if Crytek are gonna put effort into designing a unique outfit, animations and whatever, why not the faces? It smells of laziness. Unless they really want to tell me it was their vision to have a fucking sunglasses swearing nun.

[worthy knoll]

There are movies with a nun with sunglasses but I don't remember. So it's possible.

But, I agree that the last hunters had a lot of hidden faces. So I understand your concern.

[sharp veldt]

@forest merlin Did someone clear this up for you? It's kills vs deaths.

[half bane]

Is night mode necessary?

The reason why the players leave the game is at night.

Aren't you aware?

Do you see 40 thousand players as a record?

Is Crytek such a failed producer???

[nova canyon]

there are people that like the night

[inland yoke]

Night is the coolest time of day when it comes to atmosphere, but gameplay wise it is incredibly frustrating to play (especially for people who don't use filters) imo

[nova canyon]

It's harder, but that's also the point

[half bane]

seriously annoying night

100% of TR players don't want this

[half bane]

It's okay for simple players to lie down and wait. you are right too

[nova canyon]

i like night, and i play very agressively, so i don't get your point here

[nova canyon]

and where does that stat come from lol

[half bane]

Don't forget the nickname of the aggressive man..

[half bane]

community 🙂

[nova canyon]

Then you are pulling your stats out your ass, sorry

i think you don't spend enough time with community ;)

[half bane]

you can keep getting hazy in the dark like other masses (TR = Turkish players)

[nova canyon]

yeah so, that's still a fraction of the community

and i'm pretty sure you don't know all of them lol

[half bane]

exactly

[nova canyon]

yeah so your stats doesn't mean anything

[vale cedar]

night maps are the best

u guys are crying way too much

[half bane]

night is not suitable for a certain audience.. Especially for tr players.. usually the hardware is gtx (not rtx and fps 90 + ping 77) this way it cannot be played at night

[inland ravine]

So the worst thing about the currect weapon stat system is the Rate for Fire, they shoot for a minute and let you know how many rounds they get out in that time frame.

when really what matters is the time it takes between the first and second bullet.

the upper cut actually has a pretty quick rate of fire. faster than any long ammo rifle i believe. but the reload kills the weapon. That reload shouldn't be figured into the stats of the weapon

[abstract elm]

@queen jungle a note one this would also be to have the "kill view" show the explosive location instead of perso who threw it location as well

[nova canyon]

i don't see any link between hardware and night

I mean, i play on a RX480 lol

[half bane]

We can't see the hunters.
Shall we give our opinion? why do you answer everything don't skip everything

mal

[nova canyon]

i mean, saying that crytek is a failure because you can't properly set your monitor is not really an opinion, it's just... well, crying for nothing

[half bane]

still writing ..

[nova canyon]

Night is a time of the day, you may not like it, you may find it hard, that doesn't mean other people don't like it, and that doesn't mean it should be removed. Only a few players leave night map, for a niche game, 40k player is huge, and yes, it is a record because crytek didn't achieved it before, that's how records work.

And nothing in that mean that "Crytek is a failed producer"

Just man up, push up your gamma a bit, be more aware of movement, and you'll see those hunters

[forest merlin]

I know it's K/D, but the words used are very confusing. Players Killed as Deaths? Killed by Player as Kills? For me they both mean Kills by me. It's unnecessarily convoluted.

[nova canyon]

Is english your first language ?

i don't mean that as a taunt or anything, it just seems that the grammar seems to be the issue for you

[half bane]

you have serious problems. you need treatment urgently.

this game must be played by 200k players (min)

There is no other game with this concept.

Now stop typing...

[forest merlin]

it's not my first language. but explain to me: "Players Killed" as Deaths.

[nova canyon]

It's the opposite, Players killed are the players you killed, and Killed by players are deaths

[nova canyon]

You can't point a gun at people's head to make them play the game, you are saying non sense. It's because there is no other game with the same concept that the player base is low, that's a NICHE

[forest merlin]

first of all, it's not "killed by players" but "killed by player", and by player I understand me, I'm the player.

second, my KD is positive, yet the Killed by Player is bigged than players killed

[nova canyon]

Yeah, i made a typo, shit happen

Your assists count towards your KD

[queen jungle]

it counts both kills and assists

[nova canyon]

Your KD is Kills + assist / death

[nova canyon]

and i still don't see why removing night will magically make 160k people appear out of a hat

My KD is also positive, but i have something like 200 death more than Kills, yet i have a thousand assist to compensate

[forest merlin]

but why kills are "PlayerS Killed" and deaths aren't "Killed by PlayerS"? wouldn't it make more sense? is my english that bad?

[queen jungle]

hunt has no rt effects

[mint coral]

KD can’t be negative

[nova canyon]

Because it count the time your were Killed by A player

[nova canyon]

He means under 1

[forest merlin]

makes no sense I'm killing players and getting killed by A player.

am I playing just against 1 person all this time? 😮

[inland ravine]

Dont take it personaly. That dude has been a plague on this discord for a while. He's a bad troll at best and at worst he clings to this as his only social interaction. lashing out for attention. good luck with your nighttime issue though. hunt has weird interactions with different machines. I've got two and they both have different issues with hunt. nothing major but Hunt was written on some really sloppy code at first and they have cleaned it up tremendously, gets better with each update.

[forest merlin]

this is not consistent.

anyway

[nova canyon]

When you die, you get killed by one player, but it's deaths. It doesn't mean the same person killed you, it means you can die by only one player at a time

[mint coral]

He’s just messing with you

[nova canyon]

You still don't digest that corpses burn when in a middle of a fire ?

[forest merlin]

no I'm not

[nova canyon]

I don't think he is, i just think that grammar is hard and it's normal to not get the nuances, especially in a foreign language

[sharp veldt]

No, it's the opposite. Players Killed is your kills. Killed by players is deaths. [you were] killed by players = deaths

[half bane]

I think the only achievement in your life is to write here

[nova canyon]

Look, even Violet make the same mistake ! :D Told ya, grammar and nuances are hards

[sharp veldt]

??

What, how am i making a mistake?

[half bane]

Thank you. and you're right :))

[forest merlin]

you see, this has been explained by two different people, and in both explanations you are saying "Killed by PlayerS", not by Player as it's in the game now. The typo might be in the game.

[nova canyon]

Game say "Killed by player" without S, and that's the nuance Wedge doesn't understand haha

[sharp veldt]

i dont think the lack of an s is confusing, but english is my first language so that helps LOL

[nova canyon]

As i said, it's not a typo, it's just that you can't be killed by multiple player on a single death

[forest merlin]

yet when you both explain you use S.

[nova canyon]

i don't think it is either, (and i'm french speaking natively), but that's why i'm trying to explain the nuances

[sharp veldt]

to help you 😄

if you're confused by no S, then i will add one to help. but i do not think it is confusing personally, as a native speaker. However, English is very odd, so I could understand why someone else might be confused 🙂

[nova canyon]

I don't know, i Climb 7A, i'm a journalist, there are plenty of achievements in my life, but i'm also proud to write here and help people when they have questions

[half bane]

I'm sure you're a beautiful boy

[nova canyon]

thank you, i have two eyes, a nose and a mouth, and my GF seem to like it, so i guess i'm a beautiful boy

[forest merlin]

it's really confusing for me, because I thought the higher number, Killed by Player, were my Kills. anyway, I understand now.

[nova canyon]

I'm happy to hear that :)

[radiant river]

you are right though deaths by players would make more sense

[nova canyon]

@tired timber Cheater do get permabanned

[chilly nova]

I did well in one round as a 5-star solo v duos (teams of 3 and 4 stars). The next round, the duos were mostly 5 stars. The skill jump also seemed to be large. Yes, I know you can be low/high different stars. That's not super relevant to this scenario mentioned. It's been very slow to come back down (yes, I know it depends on who kills me).

[tired timber]

cheaters do not get perma banned, there's several in the hunt discord that have admitted to cheating in the past over voice chat and they've stated that for the first offense they were only banned for a week before being let back into the game on the same account. then they cheated again and said they've only been banned for 2 weeks proceeding the second offence. I guess I am the one taking their word for it but I've seen several cheaters back in the game after already being proven a cheater

[inland yoke]

I feel like it should be a given that cheaters get perma banned, any big game does that (or atleast the ones i know being League, Valorant, CSGO, DBD)

[nova canyon]

#hunt-general message

[crystal plume]

Yeah confirmed cheaters receive permabans afaik

[tribal wyvern]

@atomic cipher
Ye thats pretty good matchmaking.
Good when it works. Seen some ppl play without it & be a 3star in a 5 star game lol .

Disproves ppl complaining all the time when they don't understand the star system.

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[queen jungle]

@sand tiger That would go against one of the core principles of Hunt. Unless you count bodies, , you never know if there are other players left and need to be aware. The match ending after the boss kill would completely ruin the experience.

[sand tiger]

@queen jungle principles should not spoil the impression of the game. Nobody counts the bodies. It's just a waste of players' time.

[nova canyon]

actually, everyone count the bodies, that's what you should do

if you don't, you'll get attacked by someone going out of a bush

Maybe not everyone, but everyone above 4*

[sand tiger]

What's the point of counting bodies? Characters have no value in this game. Like, for example, in Escape from Tarkov and Cycle. There is a large proportion of players who camp for 45 minutes, but I'm sure there is still a large proportion of players who will play this game and find a game that values their time more.

[nova canyon]

There's always 12 people in a match, if you count the bodies, and there is not 11/10/9, you need to stay on the edge because that mean there can be other player around

[sand tiger]

I just want the game to be more interesting. And that doesn't make her attractive to me. The developers wrote that only 1% of matches last more than 45 minutes. I wonder how many matches end over 30 minutes 15%? It took the developers 4 years to realize that 1 hour is too much. And after 4 years, they reduced the time by only 1/4. But this is just my opinion. Everyone has their own character, I can't play this game much for these reasons.

[nova canyon]

the fact of staying on the edge is what make it interesting

if the match is empty then it's just 1m30 max to go to an extraction point, it's not that much

[sand tiger]

Why I decided to write this. Because today, once again, I met campers at the boss. For the sake of interest, I did not attack them and decided to see how long they would sit. They sat for 30+ minutes at the boss. Just AFK sat for 30 minutes! Because of such matches, you just want to delete the game.

[outer wedge]

Yep, i suggested before also something more like the quick play but for trios, 1 boss only forcing players to fight on boss lair and finish as soon all dead.. waste of time realy, sometimes.. @sand tiger

[nova canyon]

but the match wouldn't have ended either since they weren't dead

[outer wedge]

but shotgun: showdown, so... i don't know!

[nova canyon]

that wouldn't change anything to that behavior

[sand tiger]

It would change. A 30 minute match would have saved me 15+ minutes. Because they had to leave much earlier.

[quaint silo]

camping isnt a thing when u run decoy fuses and frag grenades

[nova canyon]

Your suggestion is not bringing the timer down, it's to end the match when the boss is killed if all players are dead

They are not dead since they are waiting in the boss lair, so they would just keep waiting

[sand tiger]

@nova canyon I wrote two. Title: Matchtime - 30 min and Title: The match ends immediately after killing the last boss if all other players are killed.

[nova canyon]

Yeah but Finall answer, and the start of that discussion, was about the match ending immediately after the boss kill

that's why we are talking about counting bodies and staying on the edge lol

[sand tiger]

For these two reasons, especially the first one (30 min), I don't want to play this game. I'm back now that the time has been reduced to 45 minutes. But that didn't change much.

[nova canyon]

and 30 minutes wouldn't either

If getting 15 minutes down didn't change anything, getting it lower won't solve the issue

[sand tiger]

There are many other games that suit me better.

I just suggest.

"If getting 15 minutes down didn't change anything, getting it lower won't solve the issue" - because developers wrote only 1%!!! of matches last more 45 minutes. Of course it didnt change anything.

[nova canyon]

yeah, a nothing wrong about that, we are just explaining why one of the suggestion will probably never happen, and the other probably won't change anything

[sand tiger]

But I've been in that 1% more than once.

I'd rather play 20 Valorant matches, 1 match in Squad, and so on. All this will be much more interesting than waiting for campers for 1 hour, and now for 45 minutes in Hunt.

[nova canyon]

Then you have very patient opponents, and you are very patient, that's a quality

[burnt mulch]

games that last longer have more things to keep track of. Even though only 1% of matches last longer than 45 minutes, the impact on server performance can be much higher.

[native lodge]

learning to deal with campers is part of the skill curve tbh

[nova canyon]

also this, but if you fall on really really hard campers, it can be problematic

[native lodge]

sure but a vast majority of the time there is something you can do about it

[nova canyon]

But in that case, i'm more the type of guy that say "If you don't move, i don't", and i don't care if game end tbh

[native lodge]

45 minutes is good imo

[nova canyon]

yeah, i think so too

[native lodge]

enough time to finish most fights and time up the lose ends

[nova canyon]

I end up in a lot of active match where timer fall really low nowadays

[sand tiger]

They should leave with the reward to exit. And I'm not going to go to their house so that they kill me.

[burnt mulch]

what?

[native lodge]

if the have the bounty its your job to take it from them

if you aren't willing to do what it takes to do that, thats on you

[burnt mulch]

look, it takes two people to camp.
them, waiting in the building, and you waiting outside.

[native lodge]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[burnt mulch]

if one of you guys pushed and did something, then it wouldn't be camping, would it?

a stalemate by any other name is a stalemate

[native lodge]

and in the situations where camping is real bad, its a compound design issue

[burnt mulch]

right. having options for either team to push is important.

[nova canyon]

Also, it takes 3 minutes to go from one end to a map to the other, at full speed. So let the timer go down to 1min, and go to the nearest extraction, they won't have time to leave with the bounty if you take your time

[sand tiger]

Their job to come out alive from map. We both do our jobs, but it shouldn't take 45 minutes.

[burnt mulch]

it takes 45 minutes because both of you agreed to make it take 45 minutes lol

[nova canyon]

So you got out alive, and they didn't

[native lodge]

their job its to try to get out alive, and they have 45 minutes to figure that out

and you have 45 minutes to figure that out

lowering the timer any more would just cater to the player that sit and wait to be hand delivered the bounty by the team that took the risk and did the work

like I said learning to deal with campers is part of the learning curve and is a skill you can learn

[burnt mulch]

(I don't see the reduction of the game timer from 60 to 45 as something that was intended to really affect gameplay, either)

(pretty sure it was mainly for server performance)

[native lodge]

it was done main for server performance

its effected maybe 1% of games, gameplay wise

[nova canyon]

Yeah, it's mainly a server issue because game ending at 60m where mostly solo farming AI after emptying the map lol

[burnt mulch]

i do admit i'm sadge that i cant farm event points for 20 minutes if i wipe the server

oh well it just means I need to kill everyone faster

[nova canyon]

I just let people farm for me and pick the snake of their corpses

[burnt mulch]

@lunar kindle cancel the matchmaking queue before the bar reaches the end.

[timber timber]

Discustin` amount of cheaters joined the game with this event - easy cheat is pointless at detecting abusers

[burnt mulch]

@uncut oar bro you've been posting the same suggestion for like a full week

[nova canyon]

There are people stuck in timeloops

[burnt mulch]

@static hamlet that got fixed, but then the lemat bug happened and they rolled it back.
It's caused by switching weapons while in the middle of switching ammo/reloading, and can be fixed by doing the same.

[lunar kindle]

It shouldn't be up to me to trick the queue system into not putting me into an empty lobby. Plus the queue times are so long I just alt tab to watch youtube or something when I'm waiting, that's not a fix to the issue.

[burnt mulch]

you just said that you'd rather waste time in queue for 15 minutes than be put in an empty map, and now you're complaining about queue times being too long?

the whole point behind the matchmaking queue bar is that it creates a hard-stop for how long the queue can take

[lunar kindle]

What I meant was that I'd rather have a 15 minute gap between matches, I shouldn't have to tend to the queue timer like it's a fucking garden

[nova canyon]

then restarting the timer would make that

🤔

[burnt mulch]

and if the server can't find 12 people together in your matchmaking bracket, it never starts a game ever?

the current system lets you quit queue to prioritize a fuller match, while still allowing non-full matches to start.

[lunar kindle]

Well that comes to the bigger issue, which is that I'm 6 star mmr and I want to play with people in my mmr. That's an issue that goes hand in hand with queueing up.

[burnt mulch]

at this point it's just complaining that it's not convenient enough.

[lunar kindle]

No

It's not

Getting an empty lobby is not a matter of convenience

[burnt mulch]

dude you don't have to get in an empty lobby

I literally told you how

you're just complaining that it's too inconvenient to cancel queue, no?

[lunar kindle]

I'm complaining that the game will put me in an empty lobby

That's what I said in my original post

[burnt mulch]

then do something about it.

cancel queue.

[lunar kindle]

You know, matchmaking is automated for a reason. We don't have a server browsing list for a reason

You have bandaid fix mentality

[burnt mulch]

and you have "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" mentality.
matchmaking is automated in order to matchmake. you can't manually matchmake yourself, that's not even matchmaking anymore

we don't have a server browsing list because MMR doesn't work when you can choose your lobbies, and it helps prevent queue sniping.

[lunar kindle]

Exactly, my only option if I want to find a match is turn off skillbased mmr

[nova canyon]

it's either long queue time or empty lobbies; so none of those option suits you anyway

[lunar kindle]

Like I said

I'm fine with long queue times

Just not if I get into an empty server

[burnt mulch]

then cancel queue

[nova canyon]

but then, cancel queue

[lunar kindle]

Dude

[burnt mulch]

"I'm not complaining that it's not convenient enough, I just find it too inconvenient to cancel queue"

[lunar kindle]

I'm not going to stare at a queue all day

I'm going to alt tab

and not waste empty time

[burnt mulch]

this is literally "I've tried nothing and I'm out of ideas"

[lunar kindle]

No

It's me refusing to stare at a loading bar

and make it my responsibility to make sure that the game doesn't automatically waste my time

[nova canyon]

You know that this queue time is tied to a FIXED time right ? Your computer has a clock

[burnt mulch]

ok, so....

you're just complaining that it's too inconvenient to cancel queue, no?

[lunar kindle]

How do you miss the fact that the game shouldn't put you in an empty lobby in the first place

[burnt mulch]

why not?

[nova canyon]

You stole my words

[burnt mulch]

if there's noone to match you with, what's the alternative? The bar reaches the end, you wait, and the next person who queues up gets put in a match with you?

congrats now you know there's only one other person on the server.

[lunar kindle]

Guess I'll just fucking play training mode so at least I know there'll be no one

[burnt mulch]

not sure if that solves your problem since you're the one complaining about having noone on the server.

[lunar kindle]

Now you're just trolling

That was obviously fucking sarcasm

[burnt mulch]

why would I seriously respond to sarcasm, bro?

[nova canyon]

You are bad at using it then

[burnt mulch]

lol

[lunar kindle]

Yeah why did you

[burnt mulch]

I know it's sarcasm I'm fucking with you because that sarcasm isn't productive

[lunar kindle]

Neither is what you're suggesting

[nova canyon]

but what are YOU suggesting ?

[burnt mulch]

I literally gave you a solution and you're complaining that it's too inconvenient.

[lunar kindle]

that the game doesn't automatically put you into an empty server

i've said this so many times now

[burnt mulch]

but why not

[lunar kindle]

holy shit

you are daft

good bye

[nova canyon]

Yeah, and in that case, what should the game do ?

[burnt mulch]

lmao

[nova canyon]

gosh there's a lot of stubborn and one track minded people today

[unborn dagger]

I mean empty lobbies are part of the game's unpredictability so I prefer it that way

[inner loom]

I don't understand why people think it's more fun to count to 12 every time.

[echo forum]

its been fun boys but running into the insane left peek is killing my enjoyment of the game as i mostly play close range. Hopefully the devs can fix it

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QOdKb0nNaBs

[forest merlin]

@static hamlet that would break the current balance of the game. the trait would be a priority to grab in every hunter build.

[static hamlet]

it would, but i don't think it's broken, the ideea would be good, maybe double the trait price, instead of 5, make it 10

[frosty garnet]

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Probably this suggestion was written a few times.
Dear Devs:

I like the ideas of the event old or new I see only one issue:
Contract Reward, could you make some kind of "turn on" button? Idk like consumables in the game menu instead of an automatic turn-on? A few times I've got this reward as my last game in the session.```

[queen jungle]

@queen jungle #game-ideas message

If you really think you know so much better where to take the game's lore and themes than the devs, apply to Crytek.

@late wind For once I actually agree with you, infinite redskulls is a huge outlier in Hunt's gameplay loop

[late wind]

Yeah. I want OP stuff dealt with. Crazy, right?

[queen jungle]

Not everything you post falls into that category though

Well isn't that cute.

[late wind]

There's a lot of people who downvote stuff just because I said it.

I want OP weapon, throwables, etc curtailed. But man if that doesn't make the people who crutch on it furious.

[queen jungle]

Or could it be that people just don't agree with you? You tend to take a pretty antagonistic tone in your suggestions, and a few of the balance suggestions you've posted just don't sound all that appealing to me. Keep in mind my favorite loadout is Schoffield Precision and Hatchet, I'm by no means running meta loadouts unless I jack it off some stiff's corpse

[late wind]

If people interpret me as antagonistic then that's their problem. I make my suggestions based on the data the devs have made available to the community, realism compared to the irl counterparts of the weapons seen in game, and the overall "vibe" of Hunt: Showdown. Maybe I'm way off on the vibe cause that's totally subjective.

But when people defend meta/OP elements of the game, there's really only two reasons. Either I said it. Or they're the ones abusing it.

[queen jungle]

@tired timber I agree and disagree about the cheaters thing

Permabans do not deter other cheaters, in fact they don't even deter the cheater who was banned. HOWEVER it is way too easy for cheaters to continue cheating on an account, and it takes months between temporary bans to the point where I've spotted the same cheater thrice over the last 4 months, same name, same account, still ESPing and aimbotting people through walls with a bow and arrow (yes, wallbanging with bow.) A permaban would at least force them to get a second copy of the game, and if nothing else could earn Crytek some extra pocket change if they buy the game through Steam or Humble Bundle

[queen jungle]

Look, I'm not gonna argue with you over this but the opening and closing sentence of that message more or less just exemplify what I mean.

Have a good evening. o/

[late wind]

Aye take it easy.

[queen jungle]

@lethal oyster Hail Mary has optical glasses???

@late questvedo Those are still manual ejectors

Shoot sory iz, I think izvedo left the discord

[fluid locust]

a decent amount of people in this discord are a buncha basement dwelling knobs, I wouldn't listen to 'em lol

[queen jungle]

@burnt mulch If they don't know they're going to be put in an empty lobby, how would they know to cancel queue?

Seems like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

@agile osprey Throwing axe has high stamina usage for balance reasons, not realism. If the throwing axe didn't take the stamina cost it does to use, it would be an objective upgrade to the Knife, Heavy Knife, Machete (it already kinda is tbh), and arguably the Saber if you're using Assailant because you can outrange every melee with a throwing axe toss, and the axe does almost as much damage as saber with assailant

With the exception of the really strange change to the Lebel and Mosin's reload logic that absolutely gutted Bullet Grubber and buffed two of the strongest guns in the game with absolutely nothing to tone the change back, pretty much every change in this game is made with gameplay in mind first.

[fluid locust]

I'd argue the dumbass revolver spin wasn't with gameplay in mind but ye p much

[queen jungle]

I didn't say Crytek were perfect

[fluid locust]

I still question why the revolver spin is there

They said for realism but how tf if I reload a single bullet am I going to be in the right chamber of I randomly spin it?

[queen jungle]

Yeah you don't adjust the cylinder you just fuckin spin it, which by the way is really bad for a revolver and NOT REALISTIC AT ALL

Nobody with a lick of sense, even hicks in the swamps of Louisiana would spin the cylinder of a revolver in a situation where their life depends on that firearm you know, functioning

If they really wanted to add that bit of flair, it would have been better to have it be bound to R on a full load like Killing Floor instead of forcing it on players for "realism" when it's not even a realistic function

[fluid locust]

Obviously gotta play Russian roulette with your gun instead of making sense lol

It's honestly hella annoying gameplay wise too

[queen jungle]

I wouldn't have hated it as much if say on the Caldwells for example, you just turned the cylinder back one so the shot you loaded lines up with the barrel and hammer, but no, you just yeet that bitch

[quaint silo]

You are entirely right

[burnt mulch]

You do know when you’re potentially to be put in an empty lobby. When the bar reaches the end.
Also wtf is this lol

Seems like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing

[burnt mulch]

cuz otherwise they’d have to animate separate spins for each level of reloaded your gun is.
Gameplay-wise it’s actually quite nice to be consistent no matter where in the reload you start or stop. Though I’d love it if it was a little shorter/faster.

@agile osprey actually they already can easily be taken as an alternative to the knife since the throwing of the axe can be done with no penalty at 0 stamina.

[agile osprey]

eh, but you only get 2 so good luck retrieving it before you get swarmed by mobs

[burnt mulch]

if you’re using it in melee range you just retrieve it the moment you throw it. You can do that before the mob falls.

The only downside to using the throwing axes in place of a melee is that missed throws are more punishing.

besides, even if you are getting swarmed, the light attack is enough to kill grunts, so your exhausted light attacks are still quite useful.

realistically, it’s rare that you’ll ever need to use the heavy attack.

[inner loom]

Just... don't throw both all the time?
Frontiersman also gains additional utility this way.

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[fluid locust]

there was no spin previously

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[worthy knoll]

I fucking hate that Spinning too! So annoying

[queen jungle]

@abstract elm I'm gonna be honest I don't know what gripe someone could possibly have with your suggestion

[inner loom]

Economy concerns, too many tools in trios, too much ammo, etc.
There is valid thoughts, but not everyone that opposes it will speak out.

[abstract elm]

Yeah that was kind of my thought

[abstract elm]

I mean its just equating it to duos in my mind, in duos you can both grab the ammo and tool/consumable drops, both grab the perk pickups, the bloodline exp packets, the perk point envelopes, the blueprints... just seemed to make sense for whole squad to be able to in trios as well

[inner loom]

It's unfortunately not that simple.
For player ressources like cash and envelopes, sure.
IF that makes people happy, it's probably not gonna crash and burn the economy.
But consumables and ammo are an entirely different beast.

[abstract elm]

I mean in duos a whole squad can refill off of one camp on special ammo and consumables

How would making that also doable in trios by adding 1 use to consumable boxes and ammo boxes crash anything @inner loom ?

Not saying let each person use it 3x, just actually let the whole squad use it

[inner loom]

It means there's 50% more ammo and 50% more consumables in every game.
If you don't see how that changes things in a major way, I don't think I know how to explain it to you any better.

[abstract elm]

im saying it equates it down to duos, to even the modes a bit more in those terms

[wind stream]

iirc Dennis talked about this when they added trios

he said they wanted the game to be balanced around duos and force trios to make decisions in order to balance out having one more person

[abstract elm]

suppose I could understand it mostly for the ammo consumable, but what about the ground rng stuff? cash registers, ground perks, etc

[wind stream]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[queen jungle]

Duos is the core mode of Hunt and everything is balanced with two players in mind. Playing as a trio makes the game a lot easier due to having an additional teammate, but this is balanced out by still only being able to loot everything twice, thus having to decide who gets to loot boxes, envelopes, registers, etc.

For the true Hunt experience, duos is the way to go.

[abstract elm]

@iron meadow

[nova canyon]

@humble knoll Game can't tell the difference between an internet loss and an other disconnect, and no game can, because it look the same

[humble knoll]

Ok I'm just kinda sad i lost a lvl max due to that

[queen jungle]

Yeah, such a feature would be easy to abuse to save your hunter in a fight.

[abstract elm]

@remote canopy bounty/extract doesn't affect MMR at all to my understanding, it's purely based on PvP

So while I'd agree having some sort of protection where streaks of bad games affect you a bit less since sometimes you just have bad days(and might help lower people diving MMR), tying it to bounty extraction doesn't do much

[burnt mulch]

the problem with streak-based MMR adjustment is that it disproportionately rewards people intentionally tanking games to lose MMR.

who's gonna have more lose streaks? someone in the wrong bracket/having a bad day, or someone who's trying to die on purpose?

[native vine]

I and many of my friends are faced with the problem of blurring optical sights. The problem appeared after patch 1.9. The sight is damaged on any modifications, such as a well-aimed eye and even a sniper. Dear developers, please help.

[nova canyon]

Devs are aware of the bug, and they also stated that it's a hard bug to reproduce on purpose, and therefore it's hard to point what cause it and how to fix it, so it will take a bit of Time, but they are aware ;)

[native vine]

Thank you for the information, friend, you made me very happy and reassured me with this news

[nova canyon]

You're welcome !

[atomic cipher]

@neon steeple yeah, it seems worse than before. I keep getting into matches against a full 6 stars team when the rest of lobby is 5 stars. SBMM is ON.

[inner smelt]

its enough for night map, really its enough. no body cares serpent moon even single moon. game is working barely hard an you guys put the rate high on night map such an stupid idea

[burnt swan]

@inland yoke I think both your ideas (Mini-Spiders as well as Mini-Assassins) are great. Maybe they could also add a Hellhound boss while at it... could be a cool idea to share next time

[inland yoke]

Feels like a really obvious thing where im not sure why they haven't come up with it. Maybe you could also massively increase the Spawn rate for Mini-Spiders/Assassins, crows and meatheads based on what boss/boss zone it is once every boss has an equivalent. I already am a huge fan of the fact there's an excessive amount of crows around Scrapbeaks lair

[frosty garnet]

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[gusty pewter]

@sand tiger lol this is not the game for you if you think that was a good suggestion

[inner loom]

@proud warren The reason the Alamo only loads 4, not 5 bullets is because of the way the Alofs works.
Forgotten Weapons on YouTube has a really good instructive video on it.
Basically what happens is that the secondary tube only feeds a shell into the mechanism once you finish your reload, you cannot inject the shell directly.
You have to have closed and re-opened the feed at least once.

[proud warren]

Then they botched the animation, because the Hunter first loads a Shell right into the Barrel and then opens the Magazine to load. Either way they did it wrong

[inner loom]

Because that's how you do it.
When you close the mechanism, it transfers one shell from secondary to tube into the feed mechanism and then you open it again.
The animation is pretty on-point.
I recommend watching the video.
It is easier spotted than described.

[proud warren]

I just found another video where they could fully load the gun without any problem. There is simply no reason to let one bullet out. It doesn't change a thing.

[inner loom]

If you could attach the video and get it to the devs, maybe they'll consider changing it.
I don't see how or why, but if you got it, I'd love to see.

[proud warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNIkca8k1UQ&ab_channel=C%26Rsenal

He doesn't fully load because its only for demonstration but he says he could

[inner loom]

I'm sorry, but I count 4.

I think there's a misunderstanding in how the feed works.

[proud warren]

I just explained that

[inner loom]

You cannot, in a single load, put in 5 shells without using the feed once, which you have to cancel a reload for.
Just because someone says they can, that doesn't align with the mechanical truth of it.

[proud warren]

The thing is inside the game he loads 1 into the Barrel. Opens the Magazine, loads 3 more. Nothing happens mechanically and then loads another one if you press R again.

[fathom goblet]

So you have the chamber, magazine and elevator. You put one in the chamber. Then you put three in the magazin (mag is full then). Then you close it and one shell from the mag can go into the elevator.
You cannot fully reload without closing the elevator again. Because one shell need to move from the mag into the elevator.

[dim heron]

You have to fill the tube, close the latch to get a bullet into the latch then put another bullet in the tube & one in the gun

oh fab beat me to it

[inner loom]

It does.
You don't seem to understand how the feed works.
When you close the secondary tube, a shell travels into the feed, giving you space for one more in the tube.
If there's no shell in the feed, you cannot add a fifth to the tube.

[fathom goblet]

At 0:34 you can see that he closes the elevator. Only because of that he 'could' reload it fully

[proud warren]

Then it just looks really fucking weird. Because the Audio doesn't indicate anything happening. Sorry then.

[inner loom]

The travel is really not done greatly in the game.
But from a mechanical level, the two-stage reload is correct.
Your first concern is still valid, though.
I also find it weird that if you don't cock the hammer in the game animation, the feed has to be re-done.
Which is also inaccurate.

[proud warren]

Yeah I was missing Visual or Audible clues to anything, which does happen with the Vetterli or Winfield for example. The gun just overall feels a bit weird. But sorry then for the misconception.

[inner loom]

It's a teaching moment, if anything, which is valuable.
Nothing to be sorry about.
The gun still isn't fully there yet, imo.

[foggy plaza]

@inner yarrow right about dual pistols

[half bane]

I'm tired of the foggy weather and the night.. Enough, I'm starting to hate the game

[unborn dagger]

Skill issue

[queen jungle]

No need to be antagonistic

[queen jungle]

Noone thinks you’re funny

[unborn dagger]

Skill issue

[gusty pewter]

@half bane so happy they made night more common, has 2 in a row last night, was amazing

[unborn dagger]

Too bad it's only for this event :/

[tribal wyvern]

@inner yarrow
How does using spark pistol & romero ruining your ability to hear ppls loadout?

[abstract elm]

@merry laurel should add for disarming traps over opening/closing doors and/or getting on ladders, ahve a friend who keeps trying to disarm traps near ladders and reports it puts him on ladder more often than not

[merry laurel]

THIS!

@green moat totally! That perk really needs a buff. So useless and unrewarding to take the risk.

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[burnt mulch]

@spiral dust what exactly are you trying to point out from these? first one you got unlucky. Second one, if you wanted to avoid that situation, you should have gone to Church instead (which is generally the better choice anyway).

[spiral dust]

'Got unlucky' should not be the point of Quick Play map cuts. And thx for the analysis of already cut map.

[burnt mulch]

it's not analysis of an already cut map, it's objective analysis of what could have possibly happened after first cut.

[spiral dust]

Vertical cut after the first rift, nothing to analyze here with such rng

[burnt mulch]

the fact that you could collect Fishery means that Church and Fishery were both open for the first and second cuts. Reeves and Lower Desalle were also open for the first cut, which makes Church graying out after the second cut unlikely.

A centrally uncut compound with two clues in it is a prime target, and I would have expected at least 3 people there.

[nova canyon]

@inner yarrow Sparps has a more muffled sound than the Sparks

And Romero Alamo sound like a shotgun

Even better, it sound like a romero

So, you Can still tell people loadout

It's like you were saying that Obrez Drum ruin the ability to tell people loadout

[burnt mulch]

quartermaster ruins the ability to tell people's loadouts

[nova canyon]

Compact weapon also

And don't forget Melee, they make no sounds

@spiral dust Map greying out is the same for every player in the match, it acts like a zone in a BR

[spiral dust]

'acts like a zone in a BR' tell me at least 1 game with same mechanic of zone

[inner yarrow]

You're right that there are other weapons that pose a similar issue and maybe I'm overreacting because of how ubiquitous the two I mentioned are. If you can tell the pistol apart from the rifle, that's cool and I just need to get used to it. But the Alamo doesn't have a different sound. You can hear the reloading mechanism if you're close enough but that's not what I'm talking about.

The Sparks pistol is 2 slot sizes lower than the primary weapon which is why I find it frustrating to find out that they have something else as a primary. But again if it's a different sound I'll just have to get used to it

[nova canyon]

PUBG, apex, Fortnite, you Know, compound greying out is just a fancy circle

[nova canyon]

Yeah but that's what i said with the Obrez Drum, it having a mag doesn't make it a different weapon

[spiral dust]

nice example, lul, circle base and section rng graying out 🤣

[burnt mulch]

what?

[inner yarrow]

The Obrez drum doesn't shoot faster than a regular mosin. Not a fair comparison

[burnt mulch]

the section RNG is the same as the "next circle" rng. what are you even saying?

[inner yarrow]

Regardless I think you're right about the pistol

[spiral dust]

If you still cannot get point of improvement - not my problem. I will not waste my time on this, when case when you should run throw every compound around is frustrating is not understandable for you.

[burnt mulch]

you're the one that's not getting it.
a circular BR ring serves the same purpose as Hunt's gray compounds.
and I'm telling you that you can make choices that mitigate the issue. You still haven't responded to this:

the fact that you could collect Fishery means that Church and Fishery were both open for the first and second cuts. Reeves and Lower Desalle were also open for the first cut, which makes Church graying out after the second cut unlikely.
A centrally uncut compound with two clues in it is a prime target, and I would have expected at least 3 people there.

[fluid locust]

It does have a different sound

[burnt mulch]

imagine if you were playing a game with a BR circle, and you complain about having to always run to the next circle, except you only hang out at the edge of the previous circle. They'd tell you to choose your next position better.

[karmic ivy]

@fathom geyser Stop it..... LoL

[fathom geyser]

what

@karmic ivy ??????

[burnt mulch]

lmao, @spiral dust blocked me so I can't even downvote his suggestion.

[fathom geyser]

downvoted it for you <3

[nova canyon]

Dual pax shot faster than one pax, it's still a pax

[inner yarrow]

I feel like you're deliberately misrepresenting what I'm saying. Yeah if someone wants to shoot their pistol at you slow enough that you can't tell it's dual wielding sure. I can pretty reliably tell if someone is dual wielding from across the map. The sparks pistol will just take some adjustment. I'm not fuckin rain man though, I can't judge the reload of a romero from 200m away

[burnt mulch]

if you're 200m away, why do you care if it's a romero or a romero alamo?
they're effectively the same thing

@spring cloud pennyshot does more damage at close range. The raw "amount of damage" is higher. It's mainly used to kill bosses and meatheads, though it can increase the oneshot range of certain shotguns on average (still is an RNG machine though)

[half stag]

to add onto this, reason why its an RNG machine, is it cuts the number of pellets that are shot in half, but increase the amount of damage each pellet does

[spring cloud]

if thats the case wouldnt the damage number be higher?

[split cedar]

I don’t know if putting this here will help but can you please make the earn able event buffs be something we can activate. I just unlocked the 24 hour one and I’m getting off really soon for the next couple days. Just something for the next event.

[spring cloud]

no one likes it and despite community feedback its "intended"

[split cedar]

It’s malicious IMO

[spring cloud]

its not great, makes for a weird place where you dont want to play/earn points/micro manage totals

[split cedar]

And frustrating, it’s like when I prestige. I feel less inclined to get on again for a while.

Yep

[spring cloud]

50 points from next contract but no time to use it? done for the night

[half stag]

the damage number (if you're taking it from the stats page) is just the average amount of damage done at 10 meters, so depending on your luck, you could land the few pellets on target, resulting in you doing more damage, however, it also means you could miss more pellets, as there's fewer in the spread, resulting in lower damage than buckshot

[spring cloud]

that feels poorly communicated from the stats, which you should be able to get clear info at a glance

[half stag]

yea, the stats page isn't great at all, its filled with outdated information or just plain inaccurate ones

[shrewd sorrel]

The new "orange outline" of friendlies in dark sight is the worst change that this game has ever instigated. It's the same colour as enemies!!!!!!! Please change it back 😢

[digital nacelle]

@proud warren the reason the alamo reloads as it does is because the long tube you load shells into can only hold 3 shells. there is a short tube behind it that holds 1 shell. after 4 shells are loaded, one shell moves to the short tube and then you can refill the long one for a capacity of 5

[burnt mulch]

oh wait

that's what you mean

[half stag]

lmao

[burnt mulch]

I'm a dipshit

[inner yarrow]

Because when I get to within 15m it's pretty relevant information

[burnt mulch]

then you'll know when you're within 15.
and it's still not all that relevant.

[inner yarrow]

Why bother saying anything if you're just gonna be dismissive?

like if it's not relevant why have an Alamo in the game at all

[burnt mulch]

it's not relevant to how you handle a player with an alamo vs a player with a romero.

[inner yarrow]

maybe it's not relevant to how you handle a player with an alamo, but it's absolutely relevant or else the variant doesn't change anything

[burnt mulch]

it's relevant to how you play a romero vs an alamo, and it's relevant to how you set up your loadout since it doesn't have a second ammo slot, but if you're in a close range situation where the difference between the romero and the alamo matters, then you can figure it out while you're in that distance.

if you're outside of that distance, then it doesn't matter whether it's a romero or an alamo.

[inner yarrow]

if it's relevant to how you play the gun it's relevant to how you play against it. And if it alters your loadout that's relevant too

[burnt mulch]

whether I have an alamo or a romero does not change how I play vs someone that's 100m away.

it changes how I play at closer ranges when I'm using it.

and that's the range at which my opponent can tell whether I have a romero or an alamo.

[inner yarrow]

So if I hear a romero at the boss lair and I can tell if it's an Alamo or not, that is information that I'm gonna use in my decison making process. In your universe, why bother having different shotgun sounds at all? You can just figure it out when you're within 15m of them

[queen jungle]

@uncut oar What exactly do dead zones do

[queen jungle]

Man you really do argue just to argue

[burnt mulch]

lol

I'm arguing because I disagree, why tf else would you argue

[cyan storm]

lamo

[burnt mulch]

because different shotguns perform differently enough to be relevant in your decision-making process.
I don't think that the alamo performs differently enough from the base romero to be relevant while playing against it.

there's no difference in sound between a romero and a romero talon, for example.
Even though it is different enough to be a variant, and change how I might make a loadout with it, it's not different enough that I'd play differently against it.

the alamo actually gives you more information than certain variants, like if I had a romero hatchet, you wouldn't be able to tell until I pulled out a full-length rifle.

[queen jungle]

The difference is one is a repeating shotgun and one just had the equivalent of a bayonet

A repeating shotgun is a huge departure from the base romero.

[burnt mulch]

the alamo is not a repeating shotgun. At least it doesn't perform like one.
the alamo's loading mechanism is slow enough to be considered an accelerated reload rather than a repeater.

[half stag]

this 100%, people keep trying to make it act like a repeating shotgun, and then get disappointed by it, you still need to play it like how you play the base romero

[burnt mulch]

y'all acting like the alamo turns a romero into a specter.

it doesn't.

[fading zephyr]

Shotguns are hurting the game, need to nerf them with a deafen debuff

[inner yarrow]

go back and read all of the things you said to me about how it changes the way you play. If it changes how you play, it changes how you play against it. Also I'm pretty sure you can hear the difference between a sawn off and a full size

[queen jungle]

You can't but you should be able to

[inner yarrow]

You can I just tested it

maybe I'm just tripping myself out because I can see which is which, but in game I at least tell myself I can hear the difference

but aside from that the dude is just being argumentative for the sake of it

[burnt mulch]

It.. really doesn't significantly change how you play it.
the difference between handcannons is really really small at range.

[inner yarrow]

are you serious?

[burnt mulch]

.. yeah?

[inner yarrow]

the difference between handcannons is huge

[burnt mulch]

...

well that's not what I was talking about

I was still talking about romero alamo in my first line

[inner yarrow]

I'm not sure if you mean between a hand cannon and a full size or a hand cannon and a different hand cannon

what

the difference between handcannons is really really small at range.

[burnt mulch]

you said two things.

go back and read all of the things you said to me about how it changes the way you play. If it changes how you play, it changes how you play against it.
It.. really doesn't significantly change how you play it.
Also I'm pretty sure you can hear the difference between a sawn off and a full size
the difference between handcannons is really really small at range.

and I'm talking about the difference between a sawn-off and a full size in the second line.

sorry if that part was unclear.

like, y'all saying I'm just being argumentative for the sake of it, but I'm literally just here discussing your feedback.

I disagree, here are my reasons.

not my fault you guys don't think they're good reasons, but you'll have to back up why you think they're not good reasons or else I'm gonna keep disagreeing.

[inner yarrow]

So I'm gonna level here. I was feeling pretty salty when I first posted my feedback and was getting a little elevated in this discussion. That's not helpful for anyone

That said, I do feel like you're misrepresenting my issue with the Alamo. My issue is that I cannot identify the Alamo vs the Romero at any range other than point blank.

I primarily feel like this is an issue because the Alamo has a faster fire rate than the vanilla Romero. At close range every second counts and sometimes every part of a second counts. I don't know exactly how much faster the Alamo is, but I think it's enough of a window to alter the outcome of an engagement most of the time.

When someone reveals that they have a shotgun, it changes how I play. I won't pretend that I'm smart enough to have a different approach for each shotgun, but knowing the broad category that it falls in is a big deal. The Alamo takes the gun from out of the single shot category. It's fine if you play the same way regardless, but I don't. Previously, I'd push if a Romero missed its shot. Now I'd expect them to have a 2nd shot ready and that's a critical difference for me

The Sparks pistol, it's been pointed out, can be identified as different than the rifle and I just need to adapt to that

[burnt mulch]

I think the crux of it is just that I don't think that playing against the alamo really is that much different from a base Romero. The distinction only prevents an aggressive play trying to punish the first shot, after which you can tell what they're running.

a difference in core opinion, I guess.

I find the alamo vs the romero to be no worse than stuff like knowing if someone has fanning, dualies, compact variants, or quartermaster.

[radiant river]

If somone shoots a Romero and fails to kill you, you're going to take that chance to rush them. If they suddenly are able to fight you 1.5s faster or whatever it is, you might be caught off guard.

I don't think it is an insane difference but I think it would be useful info in a fight.

[burnt mulch]

right, but that’s still much more than the next fastest shotgun, a specter, and there are other clues and weaknesses to determine if its an alamo or not.

I don’t think there’s any reason to assume a romero isn’t an alamo, the same way I don’t assume a mosin doesn’t have a pocket shotgun.

[cyan storm]

ok plastic potato

[burnt mulch]

ok.

[queen jungle]

@terse elm I think the nitro with explosive being nerfed by bulwark is less problematic than explosive crossbow. Explosive crossbow isn't easy to hit with (at least compared to regular bolts) and getting screwed out of a direct because of something you can't see and have no reasonable way of anticipating is just painful, same issue I have with hornskin

[forest merlin]

#game-ideas message
This gotta be one of the best suggestions I've ever seen

[queen jungle]

I agree, contraband system is pretty stale

And the gun oil is arguably less than worthless because it wastes a few seconds to interact with

[radiant river]

Imagine if there was a triple barrel shotgun that sounded like the db but had 3 shots. It'd suck to hear two go off, peek, and get killed with a third shot because you had no way of knowing which one it was. I see it the same way. It gives the user of the gun q slight information advantage for no reason. It's not a big deal though, but tis worth discussing

[burnt mulch]

right, but the db has 100rpm.

[prime ibex]

Did dragons breath get shadow buffed??

[nova canyon]

Damage number are upper body hit at 10m, shotgun damage start to fall off before that, and penny shot damage start to fall off even faster than Buckshot. That's why damage indicated on the stats are lower than buckshot

@inner yarrow With Alamo you only reaload one second faster than a Romero, if you want an another exemple than Drum, it's like scoped weapon. You should treat a Mosin Sniper and a Mosin differently, yet they sound exactly the same, at least the Alamo has a reload sound that you are able to hear in it's effective range

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[warm zephyr]

@robust star idk of you meant to clown yourself but an is correct for heirloom

[queen jungle]

@upbeat flare I highly doubt such a feature would ever make it into the game since it'd split the player base.
We used to have something similar in the past with target contracts that offered fixed times of day, but those were removed to have enough players for random matchmaking.

[upbeat flare]

random contract was option which was not checked by many players I assume. clearly visible option to choose daytime can have different result in use. It will be better solution to select daytime upfront than exit game just after loading on server and noticing that you don't like. This still cause issues when you see on game summary full server but you made double bounty run and didn't heard a single shot or you encountered a single team.

[keen hearth]

splitting the playerbase in half is still splitting the playerbase in half though

[drifting geyser]

Is Carter still a buggy hunter? Some comments on the DLC page say that he's kind of glitchy

[worthy knoll]

We are at like 24000 right? I think it's not so Bad anymore

[queen jungle]

Well personally I don't get leaving a match over a time of day you don't like. I have favourites as well, but I'll just play the match and accept the challenge the time of day may bring.

[keen hearth]

Hunt's in a great spot, but for reference, League of Legends boasts 100,000,000 active monthly players and removed a game mode about a year or two ago to prevent splitting their playerbase too much. Just a perspective thing.

The more people playing together, the closer the skill level of players you're playing with in theory

[upbeat flare]

I understand that not everyone leave the game. But keep in mind that one of the rules of good fight/hunting is choose your "time" to fight. It dosn't have to split player database. Always you can choose play at all conditions. Current event is less than two weeks and I'm already sick of playing during the night and considering to quit hunt after reaching final 19th stage of event untill it ends.
Does this help player database? 25% of players have less than 218 points it means they don't like eater forced night or event itself

[little carbon]

The better solution would be to make leaving instantly impossible. You are not intended to prepare for specific conditions but rather work around what you are getting.
You can even play around having a scope in a night map

And most people chose random contract

[grizzled sedge]

The serpent moon night is barely even night

[upbeat flare]

how you want to make alt+F4 removal to prevent quiting? forced death of hunter? it will only cause wave of hate on devs

[little carbon]

Alt f4 should absolutely make you loose the Hunter

[upbeat flare]

ok... than how to verify if you alt F4 or lost internet connection?

[little carbon]

You don't need to, the hunter just loads into the match, giving you the option of reconnecting.

You don't need to differentiate between connection loss and alt F4.

Even better, don't allow people to requeue while they can reconnect and their teammates are still alive

[nova canyon]

You can't already, you have to cancel and kill your hunter

[nova canyon]

Because there is only random contract 🤔

You have two choice here: The old system where you were basically punished by the death of your hunter with every disconnect, and the actual system where: 1. being disconnected or Alt F4 make you able to reconnect or you have to kill your hunter to go in another match
2. Pressing the leave mission bouton put you down but you Can still reconnect and get revived

[upbeat flare]

Well...Team can always go to extraction immediately after game start to avoid timeouts on quitting or hunter death if they care about loadout.
its interesting how from giving an option to choose daytime we transform into how to stop people from quitting a game when they don't want to fight at daytime they dont like
instead of giving an option we are heading into punishment section

[nova canyon]

You can't make it better because it's impossible to tell the difference between an accidental disconnect and an AltF4/On purpose disconnect

[upbeat flare]

dont forget abount "feature" when you are stuck on loading screan 😉

[nova canyon]

It's obviously a bug, usually closing the game and trying to reconnect again fix it

[upbeat flare]

This game have no bugs.. those are unintended "features" 😛

[jovial lodge]

@robust star idk whether there are in fact other grammar issues in the flavor texts, but your example is actually grammatically correct. From gramlee:

[fresh stratus]

disconnecting from the server mistake 0x20005. What to do? it's unrealistic to play every match like this.

[dense sapphire]

@agile osprey (Throwing Axe Buff)
Throwing axe is already one of the best tools in the game. You can already use it as a mediocre melee tool but with better stamina it would become the outright best melee tool

[worthy knoll]

Wow the game forcing people with a scoped Mosin to wait 15 minutes because fog... Yeah...
Also do not tell me these scopes are usable in fog.

[inner yarrow]

One second when you're in shotgun range is an incredibly long time. Scopes are indeed a better comparison but still fall short. The gun has the same fire rate and can still kill you in the same period and fashion whether there is a scope on it or not. I'm not trying to be rude when I say that nobody can convince me that being able to tell the difference between an Alamo and a regular Romero is irrelevant

[nova canyon]

Then nothing Can be done for you, sorry

[tribal wyvern]

Thats incorrect, considering choosing time of day & contract was possible before.

[grizzled sedge]

@lone holly when you fire, only half your reticle is even on the daughter

[tribal wyvern]

Funny enough, the way to fix it for me, was for my 2 teammates to die & leave the game, only then did it let me in.
After multiple restarts & waitign over 10 minutes in loading screen.

The moment both of them had left, it started loading the world & let me see everything & eventually let me move my char

[lone holly]

You call THAT half the reticle?

[grizzled sedge]

Your gun hasn't even fired

[tribal wyvern]

Show the frame where you shot, maybe she had moved a bit more to the right.

[grizzled sedge]

You can also see the amount of shot hitting the wall behind her

[lone holly]

You can't see shit because of the spark

you can, and you see its all centered

this is literally the next frame

[nova canyon]

I think it's mainly a matter of luck

[lone holly]

Also look at the frame i sent you and look at the pellets on the wall afterwards

its literally where she was when I shot

Its not a skill issue

missing some pellets for sure, but I had that bear trap too and she has literally the same shotgun as me but with hatchet so worse spread at same distance

and when you look at the end she still has 50 hp

thats the issue

[tribal wyvern]

@lone holly
Considering how much shit (on the video) hit the wall i think it was a miss.
However you guys already argued extensivly over it so i just wanna ask, what does Pennyshot have to do with this?

Neither of you had it.

Pennyshot is just a meme, it only works decent on a Romero because it has the best spread.

[lone holly]

she has penny shot

[tribal wyvern]

@lone holly
Where?

Was no sound of pennyshot either

You usually hear coins flying around when they use it

[lone holly]

yeah i know but when i spectated she had pennyshot after

maybe she switched idk

if she also had buckshot its even worse

[tribal wyvern]

Ye it's romero it can have 2x ammo.
So she prob switched after she killed you.

[lone holly]

just means the game is broke af

[tribal wyvern]

All guns that shoots only 1 bullet have 2 ammo pools.

Spark, Martini, Romero, Spark pistol, Springfield etcetc

But you died to buckshot

Only exception is Berthier i believe.

[grizzled sedge]

berthier thing is its full clip reload and can have 2 ammo types

[terse elm]

I'm not sure I agree with this, given that the crossbow user can still use regular ammo as their primary attack while treating their explosive bolts as a versatile tool.

[queen jungle]

@tribal wyvern Legendary weapons in Hunt are not just skins, but unique items with lore attached to them. It used to even be the case that you could not own more than one of the same legendary at the same time.

[fluid locust]

Well if they want money so bad they should implement exactly what he was suggesting

I'd buy dlcs if I could apply them

To shit I have

[tribal wyvern]

Okey, thats fine and all.
But they should still work the way im suggesting.

This is a videogame after all.
Putting such arbitrary restrictions are just lame.

They add nothing.

[queen jungle]

To me, being able to just turn any gun into a (different) legendary would make them far less special. Similar to some paint you slap on a gun in CS or CoD, but Hunt's legendaries are all part of the lore of the game. Just my two cents.

[tribal wyvern]

Whats the difference?
And that just feel like bogus. You can buy thousands of 1 legendary, everyone has them. But the fact you can turn a non skin legendary in to a streamers legendary (not really a lore weapon), thats where you draw the line?

They're barely special as they are right now.

And non of the lore is being removed here

Im simply adding a QoL to using skins.

Not like people buy & be like "man im using Sheriff Hardins weapon, so amazing."
It's more like "oh this legendary looks cool, ima use this."

People just want to use their skins they bought with their own money, in simple ways.
It also helps us prestiging, who wants to use weapons we get, without having to sell them & buy a new one just to apply a skin.

[chilly nova]

What ever happened to that anti-camping mechanic that was supposed to be introduced "soon"?

[burnt mulch]

still in development, why?

[fading zephyr]

What Anti-Cheat are they using? It doesnt seem to be working

[burnt mulch]

EAC.

[chilly nova]

What do you mean "why"? Cause I wanna know what's going on with it, hoping that it'll help improve the game.

[burnt mulch]

then it’s still in development.

[fluid locust]

You can have a whole team of the same character. And enemies can be your character or have your gun skin too. That's already lore breaking.

[nova canyon]

In last dev stream, during the QnA, Dennis stated that the next Big update (1.10) should be the one bringing the anti camping mechanic

[worthy knoll]

I play Legendaries because they A. look cool and B are not dirty when bought (which i hate). I guess its because then you would make a dirty weapon clean ut dirty again or something...

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[hazy quartz]

@balmy sparrow

Description: why does dauntless just pop the dynamite out of existence? I am not saying that we should be able to pick dynamite up, come on, it's a fuse which is who tf knows for how long can hold on before booming. BUT! We didn't do anything to the dynamite itself when putting out fuse. It still can do boom boom, just not by timer, as an example someone could shoot it to set it off. If it was implemented at some point and that's the reason dauntless now just evaporates things out of existence, please do let me know
Obviously the explosive get's swallowed whole by the hunter, that's why it vanishes
That's why it has an wide open mouth as perk image

But to be serious i assume it is that way so you can't make improvised explosive traps with dauntless and an alert trip mine or get killed because you get killed by a chain reaction of explosives on the ground you can't really easily see.
So i assume it's mostly to avoid frustrating kills you can't do much about.

It still would be cool if they won't explode from traps, fire or explosions but can be shot to make them explode if they got defused with the dauntless trait.

[nova canyon]

@misty hornet completing all challenge is only a subsequent challenge. You Can achieve your weekly by repeating some of them. The Summon system is an improvement in the regard that your weekly isn't done on Monday anymore, and you'll pretty much have some goal for at least 5 days even if you complete the weekly

[balmy sparrow]

Thx

[raw escarp]

only de salle is playable right now because the spawns have been adjusted. every f-ing round at least one team spawns next to you

[tribal wyvern]

@trim condor
Im surprised to see someone say MMR drops slowly.
It drops SO fast it's insane.
You can go from top 5 star down to almost 4 in a few deaths if you're unlucky who you face.
This MMR system is incredibly volatile.

I want it to slow down ALOT more than it does already. Because this games mmr never settles at any point. You lose the same points on your first death as you do on your 15000s death.

it never figures out your mmr

And the system thinks you got absolutely destroyed if a 6 star hits you & a 4 star finnishes you off.
It's like the game thinks "Oh you died to a 4 star? You fucking donkey, GO DOWN!"

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[raw escarp]

maybe ban hackers

[tribal wyvern]

Nah

Why should they?

Sounds like a dumb idea

[trim condor]

I outline this in the prior post but it largely depends on the MMR of who killed you relative to your own and potentially whatever your KD was in the game where you lost/died (since people are able to heavily tank their MMR by dying on purpose then getting revived then dying again).

If you’re a 5 star and a 6 star kills you your MMR will drop slower whereas if you’re a 5 star and a 4 star kills your then you’ll lose a lot of MMR from that. It’s very common across MMR systems. For me, I don’t care whatsoever about my rating, I just wanna be able to stand a chance with my buddies. The issue we encounter is that, given the opponents have higher MMR ratings, when they kill us our own MMR never really budges/it takes a very long time to drop a star and get where we actually belong.

What I’d strongly prefer is to have either a more empty server if necessary/if they truly can’t find people at our skill rating or a longer queue time if the alternative is what they seem to do now where they prioritize a full server and the other teams have a rating of 1-1.5 Stars greater than your own team. Just doesn’t lead to very fun matches. Cheers,

[burnt mulch]

@hazy quartz pretty sure that’s just lag compensation. You moved to the left but they pushed and your hitbox ghost lagged behind you.

[hazy quartz]

it's probably the combination of left peekers advantage + they killing my hunter lagging behind.
by strafing to the left i basically increased their peekers advantage on top to their peekers advantage and left peekers advantage.

i am pretty confident' if it was a right peek i could at least see their arms.

[burnt mulch]

actually, 3 things happened here. Left peek, lag comp, and perspective.

you’re closer to the obstruction so they can see your sides before you can

[hazy quartz]

yeah perspective also plays a role

[burnt mulch]

sucks for sure but idk if a right peek would have helped here in particular

[hazy quartz]

i just think it's a little bit much getting killed without even seeing a single pixel of the other player even when considering the reasons why it happened.
i know in online games you can do only so much to minimize these things happening (as a developer) but i thought i just leave this clip here so they can see.

i should have right peeked myself to reduce lag comp. but the gun wasn't ready to shoot yet and honestly i forgot about that i actively put myself at a disadvantage by strafing out of their sightline. It's hard to keep the finer details of lag comp in mind in the heat of battle.

[burnt mulch]

i gotta find myself that one clip of csgo lag comp, it was fucked and they dont have left peek.

if you went directly left without backing up or stood up to narrow your hitbox/move faster I think you could have gotten a clearer fight, for what it’s worth.

[hazy quartz]

i think i saw that video, it basically showed the same situation with the other player strafing out of the sightline and basically stacking up on the other players peekers advantage.

[inner smelt]

you guys really modify the ''pieter bruegel beekeepers'' as a snake keeper LUL LUL👌

[north flame]

ill just slide this in here

[vast coral]

imagine first battlepass in game xd

[inner smelt]

such a shame 🙂

[fathom geyser]

@zealous root i really like your idea, but imo it should be for revives in general, not just necro.

why are medkits even a thing that you need to buy, equip and use a tool slot for? you literally always get them. they should be a default feature, really.

[burnt mulch]

@fathom geyser how exactly would it be designed to show who’s who?

seems pretty clear to me

[fathom geyser]

so youve never had that problem of "follow me" and then you had to spend a more than necessary amount of time finding out who your friend talking to you is?

[burnt mulch]

are you talking over discord?

[fathom geyser]

yes.

[burnt mulch]

then how is the game supposed to know who’s talking?

[fathom geyser]

it doesnt need to

literally displaying the steam username instead of the dots would be a solution

maybe the ability to add nicknames to people you regularily play with

anything but just dots

srsly

we have this issue a lot

seeing as we use free hunters mostly

[burnt mulch]

I guess? honestly it’s screen clutter to me. I have no issues with just checking and confirming who’s who at the beginning of a match.

especially if we’re on discord and i can recognize voices

[fathom geyser]

make it an option then

some like it

others dont

simple

this should be super easy to implement

[burnt mulch]

i wouldn’t count on it.

but sure

[fathom geyser]

i doubt theyll add it

but i would greatly appreciate it

quality of life and all

[burnt mulch]

I would edit your suggestion to include the exact thing you’re hoping crytek to implement btw.

but yeah sure i can get behind that.

[fathom geyser]

done

[dim niche]

man, i only have been playing for two months and there is no single week that I have dogshit problems in packet loss and disconnecting with south America servers, this week I had problems on every single day, I literally have to play on us east with 180 ping to avoid being killed by mobs during the heavy rubberbanding, how tf a game so popular with so much monetization has such a dogshit server, fuck u crytek, never buying anything from you

[fathom geyser]

literally never had server issues. this is a you problem

[dim niche]

every single day in sa the sv are dogshit

[fathom geyser]

yes

a you problem

your internet dying on you

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[frigid folio]

@fathom geyser with your name QoL, great suggestion imo. Until they do something like that you could try what my friends and I do. The dots indicate which order the people joined to lobby. So if you just make sure to invite one person then wait till they join before inviting the other and keep the invite order the same each time and the leader the same (kind of tedious I know) the dots will be the same for each person every time.

Not as good as nicknames/steam names but it's making the best of what we've got atm 😆

[fathom geyser]

ayy thats a great idea

thanks man

♥️

glad to know that im not the only one with that problem too lmao

[frigid folio]

All's good, my friends and I went through the same thing when we first started playing together and we all like the same skins 🤣 had some weird interactions because my two friends are dating 😂😂 so one of them would walk up and start doing couple shit to me and I'd be like "ummmmm wrong twin" 🤣🤣 long story short though, I'm now the designated third wheel 😂😂

[fathom geyser]

LMAO

thats amazing

youve got it rough

[unborn dagger]

@fathom geyser why would you even want incendiary ammo on a sparks? They're gonna be at 1 point of health anyways

[fathom geyser]

exactly

so my point is to either remove it or rework it to be actually useful

why remove it? so they can give us something else

Incendiary ammo is already the worst ammo type, Objectively.
even more so on Long ammo.

so many downvotes on it though ;(

oh well

crytek will never buff incendiary anyway

we all know it

[frigid folio]

Imo incendiary is most useful on the sparks as it is now compared to other long ammo, that tiny little bit it singes off with your first hit means even if they fully heal when you hit them next it's a 1 shot

On other long ammo rifles though their fire rate is fast enough to not need that

[inland yoke]

Incendiary ammo is really neat on Sparks/Sparks pistol imo because haha barrel go boom

Only Sparks tho because you can take 2 ammo types

[fathom geyser]

or you could just take poison ammo for the same effect, longer duration, allows for poison sense combo, disorients the enemy and makes them deaf to sound, allows literally any of your other weapons to finish them off and aggro's meatheads on them.

oh and theres no tracer giving away your exact position

tell me again, how does incendiary compare to this

[inland yoke]

Poison does kinda just outclass Incendiary rounds nowadays

[fathom geyser]

more than just outclass

[inland yoke]

But "Poison sense combo"

dude

one in a million