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[sterile blade]

I suppose you're right with that one, thanks for pointing it out. Don't remember having to vault though. The gate jump at Wolfshead is completely gone though as well as the spam jump in Alice Farm to get on top of the gate.

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it only one thing i want .. a smaller map . maybe 6-8 players.. one bounty 30min game.. just in case u dont find group ..tired of 2-3 duos teams doing nothing..```

[novel oasis]

ive had that happen before

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For us pagans we need some viking hunters like mountain man but more norse themed```

[alpine burrow]

@visual fjord I’m pretty sure it’s a break action not lever?

[tribal wyvern]

Got any videos to share or anything?
Im personally sitting on high 5 star, sometimes low 6 star, even gotten to mid 6 star once.
Can't say i notice any hackers, not often atleast. Can count 3 times I've 100% seen hackers on my 2k+ hours.

I had 2 ppl in my grp 2 days ago, screaming hacker on 1 guy because he was wallbanging really good. Telling me to tell him hes a cheater when i was alone alive. Which i did not.

We were moving in a wooden house, the one close to the boss house in the compound next to Hemlock, wood something.

[echo forum]

@sharp tulip the new night has the exact same problem as the old.. people not upping gamma. changing RGB color values, messing with black levels/contrast or using filters/reshade are at a significant disadvantage vs those that do. I can still barely see on this new night map because I don't normally stand in open fields when I fight lol. We should be able to uncheck a box so that we don't have to play night levels.

[queen jungle]

@sharp tulip Honestly I'd love if they added the new night together with the old one. But I absolutely agree on the increase in chance, night is the most atmospheric time of day by far.

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Change total match time back to 1h. The new 45min window is too small, especially when having to face multiple teams (teams of 2) and two bosses.```

[sharp tulip]

Yea honestly a check box might be the best solution

[sharp tulip]

Ikr

[fluid locust]

I've seen a single hacker in 2k hours lol

[queen jungle]

What do you mean it's "off"? Reporting players via the Team Details screen works fine, it creates an automatic report with Crytek's customer support.

[burnt mulch]

I believe he means from the team details screen, but not a hunter that you killed or were downed by.

[silver ermine]

who would like a berthier obres deadeye ?

[light venture]

what

[valid rampart]

bro why you replying to me now lmfao

that was day one of event

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[patent hawk]

how to look KD leaderboard

[queen jungle]

@calm widget EAC is one of the best anti-cheat solutions currently on the market, as evidenced by it being extremely popular among developers of all sizes, from small companies like Crytek to large ones like Ubisoft and EA.

[calm widget]

Ubi is using Battleeye, like rainbow six siege

[queen jungle]

Their newer titles use EAC, basically everything since The Division 2

[inland yoke]

@patent hawk They removed it

[echo forum]

lmao that's hilarious. More like it's the cheapest one. If you go onto cheater discords or forums it's just full of people calling it " Easy Cheat"

[karmic ivy]

And what? you know so much more because....?

Finall has the benefit of talking with developers in the business. What do you have to back up your claim?

Needless to say, I don't trust cheat users to tell it straight, or to know what they are talking about.

[delicate radish]

A big ask! Do something with controller input. Its so hard to play hunt on controller. Give us more options. And someone from Crytek team said in end of 2021: 2022 will be year for consoles. sooooo...

[hazy kestrel]

Dear god, fix freaking Cain yet. Cannot see him half the time.

[karmic ivy]

Maybe its your setup, I didn't find it too hard even in the beginning.

Then they "fixed" him.

[hazy kestrel]

Guy is always hidden.

Like the bullet flew out of nothing.

[queen jungle]

The same has been said for any anti-cheat since the very invention of anti-cheats. Its a constant, never-ending fight between the creators of cheats and those making anti-cheats.

[abstract burrow]

When are they introducing region lock?

[sick anvil]

@ember hare thats how they trick you in to buying in cause you get most what you spent back

[ember hare]

@sick anvil would make more sense to give bb in normal path to allow to earn enough for spending for golden path.

[queen jungle]

A ping limitation was part of the last patch, a strict region "lock" is not planned as the devs are aware of how interconnected the Hunt community is across different regions.

[abstract burrow]

Yeah cuz its normal for a full chinese team to play on eu servers and straight up ping abuse

[burnt mulch]

so what is ping abuse and what advantage is gained by having high ping.

[abstract burrow]

at close range you see the enemy first so you always kill/trade with shotgun

[burnt mulch]

you mean when the high ping player peeks right? Can’t you do the same thing against a high ping player?

[abstract burrow]

yes and add left side peak and they always win

[burnt mulch]

er what?

[abstract burrow]

nope

[burnt mulch]

why cant you just peek them with left side peek

[abstract burrow]

it doesn't work like that high ping always has advantage exept if its long range

but do the devs listen nope

cuz regoin lock is not needed

[burnt mulch]

can you describe how exactly the position data is transferred in a way that the high ping player has an advantage when they are being peeked? because as far as I understand it’s symmetrical

[abstract burrow]

idk the details but they straight up have an advantage just searched a video on it on yt

[hazy kestrel]

Twice in 4 rounds, Stealth camoflage Cain.

[burnt mulch]

lets say my ping is 10 and theirs is 100
ms: action
0: I peek and see my enemy
10: my peek is visible on the server
50: I shoot
60: my shot is received by the server
110: my peek is visible on their screen
130: they shoot
160: my shot reaches their client and they die
230: their shot reaches the server
240: their shot reaches the client and I die.

so even though they shot faster (30ms, when i shot in 50), we traded.

and if they shot slower, they would have died.

isn’t that the advantage you’re describing, except the low ping player has the advantage vs the high ping one now?

[sick anvil]

the point of the battle pass is revenue for the company

[echo forum]

EAC is like VAC in that it is extremely slow to update and is purely worked by developing a library of manually found cheats. This is shit. We need something more akin to old battlefield private server anti cheats that would look at player stats and single out players with stats that look suspicious and then the community admin would manually spectate. Games need less clientside authority as well. I've never seen a cheater in Rocket League for a reason.

[unborn smelt]

well there's propably a bit more to it, because if not, why wouldn't more if not most games use this kind of anticheat ?

First if more stuff is server authoritative, what happens is delays get bigger and lag feels significantly worse, in rocket league specifically sometimes players look like they jump around the map - but it's just the weird way the server handles their lag. This is not great in rocket league, but it'd be far worse ina shooter where you're expected to aim and shoot at guys that would be laggy on your end depending on their connection quality.

also while i's admittedly pretty time consuming to create cheats for rocket league because so much is server authoritative - there is also very little incentive to actually cheat at rocket league to beginn with.

[karmic ivy]

Show us the vid that you found convincing.

[abstract burrow]

i'm not gonna argue with you cuz you are not skilled enough to even see that it true.

[crystal plume]

[unborn smelt]

You made some pretty bold claims - even admitting you don't actually know the in's and out's of the systems

[abstract burrow]

i mean you know i'm right to so i mean

[unborn smelt]

idk the details but they straight up have an advantage just searched a video on it on yt
Here you straight up admit you have no clue and belive a random youtube vid you refse to cite the source

[abstract burrow]

i mean if a guy shoots you before even peaking without a wallbang and is from china playing on eu servers

there might be something fishy going on

[unborn smelt]

Nah it's not - that's all you had to say to proove you've go no clue

[abstract burrow]

dude ping advantage is a thing

we all know that

[crystal plume]

Peekers advantage goes both ways

[unborn smelt]

https://youtu.be/3JaCcsmjYM8?t=401 this is a visual representation what happens in many of those instances

[abstract burrow]

and why does left side peaking even exist

like explain and if it is not intentionaly placed in the game why don't they remove it

[unborn smelt]

while he majority of the vid is too CS specific to be applied to hunt, the visual representation of what they call "unpeekers disadvantage" is one of the best ones to understand

[unborn smelt]

because of the placement of the camera in the hunter model

[burnt mulch]

bro how are u gonna be taken seriously if you dont even know what you’re talking about and how it works

and the moment someone comes out saying you’re wrong, you clam up and sulk

[abstract burrow]

the video rangorok says i'm right and wrong so we are all wrong

but when a guy is peaking with high ping with a shotgun you don't see him but he does see you

[crystal plume]

And it goes both ways, you can aggressively peek someone who has high ping and the information of you peeking will be delayed for them

So pretty much you should just always peek aggressively, noone has advantage at that point

[burnt mulch]

it’s called “peeker’s advantage” not “high ping advantage”

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[queen jungle]

@quaint zealot That would be way too easy to abuse. Been pushed into a corner? Just cut your internet and save your hunter.

[burnt mulch]

@ocean rapids yeah that kind of thing has been suggested before and really, being unable to ads and aim accurately is part of the design of dual pistols.

[unborn smelt]

pretty sure they mean smth diffrent

the way i read it you essentially put 2 pistols in a medium slot, to get either 1 fast reload (shoot one empty pull out the second) or a larger mag (shoot both alternating) - but especially with the first variant, the diffrence to dualies would be that you don't have increased RoF at all

you'd essentially just double the slot size to double the mag size

[burnt mulch]

ah.

well I dunno how much I want to have that, plus fanning.

[unborn smelt]

Meh - double slot size is a very big investment

[burnt mulch]

but it’s also indistinguishable from a single slot pistol, until you suddenly pull out extra shots without needing to reload

which invalidates counting bullets/shots and tracking ammo

[unborn smelt]

Tbh that all very much depends on how they'd make it work and look

it's easy to find possibly bad details to nitpick now - but it'd be pretty easy to just not make it that way too

So specifically regarding your last point - it all depends on the animation - sure if it's indistinguishable from the normal single pistol one, maybe (but even then i don't see it as a big issue) but just as with fanning or levering a small detail in animation could give it away

or they could make it not work with fanning to beginn with, since fanningonly applies to small slots

[burnt mulch]

it feels a bit like having the cake and eating it too. Having more ammo before you need to reload is only really relevant with fanning (or now sparks pistol, which… i dont know what to think), and so without fanning there’s not much of a point.

… except to stack up on ammo, in which case you now have a usable pistol instead of dualies.

[unborn smelt]

and yes - while it may have issues with other ammo stacking - i'd rather have a usuable pistol

i think the issue lies in allowing pistols to stack rifle ammo

[burnt mulch]

right… so why not just bring a 1-slot pistol?

[unborn smelt]

I like to run pistol + melee

and a single pistol is very very limited in ammo - especially if it's the only firearm in your loadout

or if you plan on using your pistol for range in for example a crossbow or shotgun loadout

[burnt mulch]

i mean, it’s a pistol. it’s kind of generally supposed to be a sidearm.

I can agree with adding more ammo (if we also stop sharing rifle and pistol ammo) but being able to pull out a new loaded pistol rubs me wrong.

[unborn smelt]

yeah but it's a pistol caliber so you'd kinda be able to carry a lot more ammo

and if you'd know a pistol is your only range option you propably would stock up on extra ammo

[burnt mulch]

except we aren’t allowed to choose ammo distribution.
so if pistol is your only range option, you’d probably put yourself in more situations where you use your other primary.

[unborn smelt]

yes but the suggestion would kind of allow you to at least choose much or little ammo

with the downside of needing the next larger slot

so it'd be a kind of solution

[burnt mulch]

with the benefit of being able to pull out a new fully loaded pistol.

[unborn smelt]

it doesn't have to be that way - again a detail that can easily be avoided

[burnt mulch]

… which was part of the original suggestion and is what I’m arguing against.

[unborn smelt]

it's as easy as modeling the hunter holding both pistols at once - shooting one singlehanded until empty and for example pointing the other one upwards.

functionally that would be the same while being able to stop potentially problematic interactions with fanning

[burnt mulch]

ok, then given it has a separate animation, doesn’t work with fanning, and doesn’t share ammo with rifles, it’s fine…ish.
though I still don’t like being able to shoot so much without reloading.

[unborn smelt]

yeah it's fair to not like it

[burnt mulch]

and I’m also not sure how i feel about double sparks.

[unborn smelt]

meh

nothing but a very tedious uppercut

[dusty pendant]

Yup. Sparkle is just straight worse than the Uppercut in the majority of scenarios.

[queen jungle]

@gray kiln constructive phrasing my friend

[normal horizon]

You mean the sparps

[fickle fractal]

Hello. Are the devs working on the left-side-peek problem?
And how many of you see is as an issue? I see it as one massive inconvenience, my biggest with the game currently.

[karmic ivy]

Tips hat Tomeks direction...

It starts to quiet down about this time.

[fickle fractal]

Well. My question won't disappear... hopefully I won't forget to open discord tomorrow. 😅 Then gn8, everybody.

[dusty pendant]

Sparkleeee >:[

[burnt mulch]

I believe it’s currently considered a limitation of the engine and a relatively minor problem. Just keep it in mind while in firefights.
Besides, the shape of the player’s profile would have to be reconsidered in order to really reduce left peeking since the stance is asymmetrical by nature.

[burnt mulch]

@pastel holly so, why not throw the axe when you run out of stamina?

or just throw it in general

[pastel holly]

throwing axes at concertina traps and bombs to cut them isn't really practical

so light is best for now

[ebon island]

To bring back the dead...

Why not have a special slot. Which controls how much total ammo a hunter carries. However... this effects the overall sprint speed of the hunter

[dense sapphire]

@pastel holly (Buff Throwing Axe)
You are suggesting a buff to the best anti-AI tool as well as one of the best tools in the game.

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[queen jungle]

@unborn gyro You may want to check with #troubleshooting if your PC crashes when playing Hunt

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Reason: it's breaking the balance of the game, especially after Sparks pistol was added
 
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[fathom geyser]

i wonder how often the devs look at and consider suggestion ideas to add to the game, seeing as the flow of them is huge and the devs simply dont have the time to add all the good stuff they want

btw is there a roadmap?

[crystal plume]

They stopped doing a traditional roadmap and are moving to another format of sharing upcoming stuff and such

Showing stuff in streams and videos and such

A lot of the newer weapons have been community requests

[fathom geyser]

i see

thanks

[pastel holly]

it just wouldn't make sense to not have the stamina to swing a small axe for the 4th time instead of 3 times

[lilac jungle]

@verbal ridge the cavalry saber is perfectly consistent, its just that most players miss and hit the arms letting people survive

adds a level of skill compared to letting people possibly one shot even when they miss on the arm

[verbal ridge]

If it is the case with hitting the legs fair enough however its is really annoying then to get kills when people dual weild or use shotguns making it basically impossible to even get close. and if you land a hit just to hit the arms I don't think that's very balanced for people to able to shoot you and insta kill you instead

[verbal ridge]

Plus when charging with the calvary sword two handed weapons almost cover the entire chest meaning it is near impossible to get a clean hit off and to show you what I mean I could send a vid if it illustrates it better @lilac jungle

[little carbon]

@pallid idol The altars are placed at the boss lairs to make sure people have to engage with the main objective and therefor PvP. With the last events there always was a problem with a lot of people just ratting around.

[pallid idol]

Ah
well, guess you better pickup as much snakes as you can before heading to the extraction

[dense sapphire]

It wouldn't make sense to buff an amazing tool that already overshadows all three of it's contemporaries.

@solemn gyro (Melee Buff)
This would buff melee but it would also lead to players running saber + stam with a mosin

[solemn gyro]

i just need they buff the OG melee not gun have melee

[dense sapphire]

Yeah, people would run sabers with mosins now for the speed buff

Instead of uppercut

[pastel holly]

I just said what I think. it's ok if something is good.

[dense sapphire]

It's ok is something is good. But I disagree with buffing something that is already the best option

[karmic ivy]

I am kind of curious about how many people find this to be an issue. So I am bumping this for visibility. Tomek already knows my views.

Also, does anyone know why right/left peek asymmetry cannot be engineered around? or maybe another way to ask it. why is it not engineered around more often? No one out there seems to have details about why its in a lot of games and why sometimes its left peeks, and sometimes the opposite.

The most I can get is its has to do with the character model, camera views, and shooting guns. But I want the DETAILS.

[burnt mulch]

from a technical standpoint, the camera is sometimes tied to a particular object or exact location on the player’s model and not free-floating. By the time they decide they might need to change it, the camera is too entangled with the model.
from a practical standpoint, the model of a player aiming down sights is inherently asymmetrical, so peeking left or right is also asymmetrical.
Changing the camera location while ADS would also either shift the player’s viewpoint when aiming down sights (not great for user experience) or require you to shift the location of the player depending on whether you’re ADS or not (can have more technical wrinkles).

disclaimer: none of this is dev statements, just my interpretation.

[burnt mulch]

melee weapons will penetrate limbs and deal damage based on the highest damage hurtbox interacting with the hitbox. You can’t block melees with arms.

[queen jungle]

game has been crashing a lot recently, especially when leaving a match, back to the main menu. the game stops responding, and since i am playing fullscreen i cant alt+tab to another screen, so the only way to close the game is to switch to another desktop by ctrl+win+d and open up task manager there.

[burnt mulch]

I’ve been crashing too, but why can’t you alt tab? or just alt+f4?
or ctrl+alt+del, or ctrl+shift+esc to open task manager?

also, #bug-reports-pc or #feedback

[queen jungle]

it wont do anything

[burnt mulch]

maybe #troubleshooting as well.

[verbal ridge]

Just curious if true why then did it not insta kill?

[burnt mulch]

hm, maybe it’s because I’m playing on borderless windowed mode that I’m not locked in

[verbal ridge]

Happened several times where it should of been in the chest but blocked

[burnt mulch]

then you’re misremembering and you missed.
either by misplacing the crosshair or by being out of range of chest but in range of arms.

[verbal ridge]

Idk man I was pretty close, don't have a clip but it was no farer than half a foot

[burnt mulch]

don’t know what to tell you my dude. people come in here with “how did this guy not die??” all the time and I just ask for a clip and grab the frame that they whiffed on.

[verbal ridge]

I can send a vid that I saw online which was pretty close to what I described

[burnt mulch]

if you dont get a hitmarker it’s possible that your stab was blocked by a wall, though thats more of a problem with sweeping weapons.

[verbal ridge]

I see what you are saying but nah narrow corridor heavy straight stab

I think it was hit reg more than anything

[karmic ivy]

I have guessed as much. But do you know why we do not put the camera in the eyes? It seems to rarely be placed at eyes. If it is for simplification, what is getting simplified.

[burnt mulch]

shrugs can’t make a conclusion without more data. just telling you how it is and how it’s supposed to work. if you wanted to submit a bug report, you’d need more info or clips anyway

[karmic ivy]

I think its because it is more complex to have it "correct" as in, eyes and guns in RL. But the details of WHY that would be, I would love to find those.

from a developers perspective would be really nice.

let me know if you know of any information like that from any game.

[burnt mulch]

because the camera usually where bullets come out of. Having the camera in the eyes can create more situations where you just barely peek a head out and fire lasers from your eyeballs.
plus, if we had that in Hunt as-is, your camera would shift every time you ADS, or your body would swing to the left. We’d have a right peek advantage instead, and left peeking would be a death sentence.

of course, I guess at least your head would be sticking out.

a little.

[karmic ivy]

See, the part about that I don't get is that a rife IS held right under the eye typicaly.

so why dosn't it work out in game like it does in RL

?

I get that it just dosnt lol

[burnt mulch]

cuz realism isn’t always fun.

[wispy leaf]

Please add dlss to game.

[karmic ivy]

mmmm

[burnt mulch]

for example, when we ads ingame, our camera should be tilted, right? since we tilt our head over the gun.
but it’s been common convention to not do that because jesus christ please no

a lot of milsim games end up being pretty campy, cuz nobody wants to die and lying prone in a bush is preetty effective

[karmic ivy]

ya, I can see some of that. I would never want prone posture in Hunt. would change it too much

I wonder how much the map makers can deal with this... I would love it if they let some of their devs talk about it.

[burnt mulch]

yeah unfortunately a lot of this stuff is usually not disclosed except in some big official dev statement. it’s a bunch of backend stuff and honestly sometimes people just dont like letting others look under the hood that closely.

as is, its just another quirk of the game shrugs

map design is usually kinda ok, I can usually find a place to left peek instead of right peek.

the right peek disadvantage can also be partially mitigated by standing peeks rather than crouching peeks, or by peeking in hipfire position instead of ads (shotguns for example)

[karmic ivy]

I was thinking about a check where hight of cover is carfuly controled to allow RL like placment of bullet origin and viewer camera.

i don't want prone, but I think I could handle RL amounts of a head showing when shooting over cover.

I play paintball and airsoft, and I am thinking of that when I make that statement

[burnt mulch]

well you could, I guess, but that could make left peeking worse.

peeking to the left while ads crouched would expose your entire body before you could see anything

which you could then argue for switching the side you ads from, but well, we’re starting to go pretty far into speculation of technical work.

[wispy leaf]

Please developers add DLSS

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[queen jungle]

@inland yoke sound traps are not meant to be easily avoidable. Consider bringing a silent gun or some other quiet way of taking AI out, such as throwing knives.

@edgy marlin The "proof-of-kill" your hunters bring home is the bounty, which they are then rewarded for in Hunt Dollars 🤔

I think the mechanic you described already exists in form of the bounty.

[prime ibex]

@edgy marlin The snake tokens aren't really a full incentive to leave a highly defendable position. I would spend my tokens before even entering, and even killing the boss gives only 8 tokens. My survival is more important than 8 tokens.

[edgy marlin]

I think that depends on the person for sure. That is also why it doesn't really work if the reward is delayed. like: I can do it later after I know the coast is clear

[acoustic heron]

hunt is down?

[edgy marlin]

This is in addition to the bounty. I'd suggest some other reward that gives you that small additional optional objective to actually leave the boss room for a moment during the banishing stage.

Players will often wait untill banishing is over and if they have some objective during that time, then they might persue it and leave the lair

[earnest vale]

yeah i think so

[inland yoke]

You can't use throwing knifes on Crows, dogs and chickens can you?

On dogs and chickens the explosion can still be heard really far

[prime ibex]

Crows can be killed with explosives, fire bomb, poison bombs.

[rough stag]

think resolving the server issues will be good.

[inland yoke]

Poison bombs are way too expensive to use on crows, explosives and fire also can be heard a really long distance where i might aswell trigger the crows

@prime ibex

[unborn gyro]

Hand crossbow can kill all sound traps I believe with the poison bolt. It's actually an underrated weapon because with the normal bolts as the primary it's basically a romero. It's a good setup to have if you want to move quickly across the map. Killing chickens/dogs with it you have to be very precise as to where you land the poison bolt.

[inland yoke]

Hand crossbow is really neat

[prime ibex]

@inland yoke Handcrossbow with poison bolts.

[queen jungle]

You can kill dogs and chicken directly or via the lamp above them. You can kill crows using poison, e. g. a bomb or crossbow.

[red ibex]

@unborn gyro what do you mean with "hackers"?
2600 hrs and never noticed someone "hacking".

[unborn gyro]

Have you looked at the leaderboard? Bili has a reputation around here.

[strong marlin]

@red ibex same, never encountered someone that was undoubtedly hacking

[molten lintel]

The new nighttime for the even looks and feels very cheap. Actually, the fact that it even applies to player ping symbols makes me believe that this is one of the cheapest "green filters" ever. Aside from that visibility goes down even further from nighttime making it more unbearable. So please, once the event is over, remove this lazy green tint from the game. It isn't up to the QC standards of Hunt (gfx wise) at all.

[unborn gyro]

I like the night map and I like the new night map and I even like fog. This game should have more of it. It's the one thing that does something to limit the mosin spitzer bush champions. Even then they can still get shots particularly when attempting to extract.

[inland yoke]

The point I was making is taking them out >silently<, the lamps make a loud noise and explosions, well, boom. Poison Handcrossbow and Poison Bombs are the only real way to take out crows silently, making it impossible if there are too many crow/dog spawns next to eachother but no horse spawns (which is the case in cyprus as there are really few horse spawns in comparison)

[molten lintel]

night and fog is fine, but just adding a green filter on top is lazy

[radiant river]

yes they are called sound traps for a reason

[red ibex]

@unborn gyro bilibili is a chinese (?) streaming plattform these bili gusys on the leaderboard are just some streamers with a lot of time i think :D

• you can literally boost your event points forever as long you spend money

[unborn gyro]

Not here to defend the Bili's. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. Having fought them several times much of it is sketch.

[lone granite]

@ashen girder I feel you a little on the Chary rewards. Having "Skip" move to the next reward (not even just on Chary, but if you prestige and are getting weapon/trait/tool/consumable unlocks) vs canceling it out. Have a "Skip" and "Dismiss" button would be great.

[unborn smelt]

@lyric rivet You can, and some people very much do draw bows with 2 fingers.

it's admittedly not the most common, but the advantage of less fingers is usually a more clean release (as it's a generally weaker draw than 3 fingers, and it's one less finger to potentially fuck up the release)

on the flip side less contact points with the string means higher chance to torque the string, so the 3 finger one is more stable generally and provides more strength to accomodate higher draw weight

[karmic ivy]

@sick anvil Are you saying you think they changed the 33% rate?

[sick anvil]

@karmic ivy the sample size is small because i only took numbers in the last hour

after playing 6 matches in row on desale

[karmic ivy]

some people roll yahtzee 6 times in a row

they don't blame the dice

or say the dice roll chances have changed.

[sick anvil]

idgaf

i am tired of it

[karmic ivy]

Tired of what?

[sick anvil]

id give crytek 40% of list discount for all servers they buy if they delete desale

[karmic ivy]

Where is the logic in that? Are you serious?

[sick anvil]

yes i am serious after having the 6th match in row on desale i started to write down matches on paper till i called it for today

[karmic ivy]

I am speechless. I must not understand. Good luck out there.

[sick anvil]

There is nothing to understand . i did not like desale when it came out after the event i was fed up with it the changes to it have 0 to no impact ob the map and having my rotten luck landing on the same map back to back felt 80-90 % of the time its booring

specialy because by the placement of the exits and which boss is on what chunk of the map you can tell with 70% acuracy where the bosses are

same as you can tell where and how many dogs will spawn

[dusty pendant]

@lyric rivet Drawing with two fingers is pretty common in archery. I, and more than a couple people I've shot with, use two fingers to draw. There is more than one "correct" style of posturing/positioning when working with various types of bows, so it doesn't need to be fixed.

[unborn smelt]

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's common - but you sure are right that there isn't the one right way, and a two finger draw isn't wrong - jsut diffrent

[dusty pendant]

I've never had anyone give me any looks when I've gone out to shoot is all 😅

[unborn smelt]

I mean i usually havent seen people get looks either, yet everywhere i went always the 3 finger draw was the taught one

or the thumb draw

[plush gull]

Not sure if this is the right channel, but i got a huge problem with romero recently, when i'm playing double ammo on romero rn, especially with slug and basic ammunitions, my weapon would not reload. i had the animation, the bullet get in, and it click when i'm firering... kinda sad... died cuz my weapon could not reload and fire...

[unborn smelt]

yeah it's a known bug

they had it fixed last patch, but the fix created an even worse issue so they had to roll it back until a better one is found

[burnt mulch]

switch ammo or reload, and when the ammo loads on the bottom right, switch to your other gun. Do that a couple times and it generally fixes the issue.

[midnight bridge]

PLEASE please make a change to this... incentivize killing players... this happens so often that we can get so many kills, but get nothing for it... i know there are some people that like this but i really feel like it feels broken... $100 dollars for 9 kills is really insane feeling

[burnt mulch]

you died though.

[crystal plume]

Also doesn't look like you looted everyone since you would be at at least 108 points

[toxic jay]

was just now in a match, where my rdm mate without bounty wanted so hard to extract, that he didnt stepped away from the exit, even to our other mate wasnt in it, so he made it in like the last second. sadly i couldnt do anything either, because i already stepped into the exit

so:
what would you think about there beeing a button, that you can stop beeing force extracted if you step in the exit and one of your team dosnt want to wait for the other one, so you can abort your exit and stay with the last one for example.

[burnt mulch]

sounds like a suggestion to make in #game-ideas

“allow players to cancel their own extraction even if a teammate is in the extract” or something

[plush gull]

i did reloaded couples times and switched, though it was ok, bullet slot was filled, and when i went for the shoot, the big "click" happend
nvm happens i guess, thx for the answer !
fellow hunters, see you there !

[toxic jay]

yeah, but was not sure if i should but that in suggestions right away, was thinking i ask what others think of this.

guess your right

[lyric rivet]

as someone who worked with a boyer and as a hunter. no one who isn't using an auto release uses bows seriously uses two fingers. years here with the local archery shop just no dude. can you? sure it's physically possible, but so is drawing with your feet 🙄

[unborn smelt]

Well depends on what one calls "using a bow seriously". Just because you didn't learn it that way doesn't make it wrong. And yes limiting yourself to two fingers reduces the drawweight you will be able to pull, but it's not all that diffrent from a regular 3 finger draw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOvF6IvhaJQ
This is a pretty nice explanation why some people use it as well as why it's a pretty unpopular, yet not invalid draw

[stable nimbus]

There’s absolutely different techniques to draw a recurve bow. There is no one correct way. One above one below is European and pinching the arrows nock is also a technique that I believe originated in west Asia. No real right or wrong way.

[dusty pendant]

Ye

[frosty garnet]

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[hoary crescent]

FIC THE MUTHERFUCKING GAME PLEASE, 5 CRASHES TODAY...

[burnt mulch]

@prime ibex just use an officer then, ye?

[prime ibex]

Nah

New Army suffers from muzzle velocity

[burnt mulch]

.. right, thats a downside of the gun.

so then use an officer, which has higher muzzle velocity.

[prime ibex]

Nah.

Added 60 m/s to New Army will still be under 40 m/s compared to Officer

[chilly nova]

Get rid of the large trade windows now. I don't care if you think it improved things. I'm so sick of dying half a second later to foreign players with shotguns after I've already gotten the kill.

[burnt mulch]

maybe put this in #feedback or #game-ideas

[spring cloud]

can we get a handle on these crash/freezes after matches? having to restart hunt or restart your pc is garbage considering its happening every few games and you have boosters still ticking down with this nonsense

[hazy pagoda]

My game keeps crashing so much during this event for no reason! Game come on!

[burnt mulch]

ITT: people who don’t know that we have a #feedback channel.

[chilly nova]

FYI, brown nosers like you make me want to leave this discord.

[burnt mulch]

.. ok. bye?

[sick anvil]

@ashen girder think about it what is the event designed to do ? to sell product so they give some older skins that did not sell so good and dlc that did not meet the quota event boosts + the new DLC so that people thinking they will not hit the goals of the event before its ends spend more giving them a free option earned in day one or two would defeat that

[burnt mulch]

honestly just the fact that Viper is free for everyone means it’s gonna be common enough.

[sick anvil]

2 out of the 4 skins , backet face and alien wont be that common

[burnt mulch]

@bitter frost what?

[nova canyon]

I don't Know, there's a few free skins that are very rare. Like, you almost never see Skinflint

(Mostly because he is not that great)

But 1st Tier Viper is not that great either

[burnt mulch]

that was also 2 years ago but i mean I guess.

[last ferry]

Hey everyone! my apologies if I spammed too many ideas at once in the suggestions-ideas thread. Alas I am in a very creative mood at the moment and am very addicted to this game. I would love to see it improved with some new features I feel are very grounded in reality and that would improve the game. So please if you don't mind voting on my 5 suggestions I would be grateful to see how the community here responds:

-safes and an accompanying safecracking/looting trait
-New Orleans/ urban map
-Hot air balloon extraction
-Hammer tool/weapon
-3 weapon trait somewhat contrary to quartermaster

Thank you Crytek for making an extremely fun and rewarding game. Thank you as well to anyone voting on my ideas.

P.S. check out my first suggestion as well higher up the chatlog(last week) that suggested a Cheapish blanket tool that could be used once for putting out fires and to provide static concealment in buildings.

[quaint zealot]

Well before the reconnection feature if you did that you would lose your hunter so obviously they can tell if it’s on their end or your end. Wasn’t abused back then. I’m just saying let it be the way it used to.

[lone granite]

The incentive is bounty and it doubles your money if you extract with it. If you die, you only keep money from clues/rifts, and I think Killing/Banishing bounty--Dead hunters don't earn much because they ded. But at least you get a good amount of bloodline xp. Good job on 9 kills though.

[ashen silo]

Do i get compensation for console server down time ? Have my 24 h booster on now and its wasting

[frosty garnet]

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[zinc solstice]

#game-ideas message this is just silly, lol

[fathom geyser]

its not about making sense its about balancing

it also doesnt make sense to shoot zombies and survive bulletshots

so what

[hazy kestrel]

Having to loot people to get event points are one of the dumbest incentive in any event.

[crystal plume]

It's been like that in pretty much every event

[echo forum]

tbh its better than when the event discourages people from even PVP'ing. like hunting crows in the middle of nowhere

[crystal plume]

And it encourages pvp especially with the snake tokens on top of the event points

Rather than just lurking around and looting at the end as you might lose out on more points

[hazy kestrel]

It encourages to not burn them and do stupid moves.

I think the events overall just creates 1 way of playing, tops 2. Out of event its so much more varied.

[unborn smelt]

I think an event needs to balance point gain for PvP and PvE and not tilt one way or the other too mcuh

because if the point gain is skewed too much to PvP only solo's and lower end players just get shafted even more than they already do for continuously not winning

while on the other hand PvP point gain has to be signigficant enough to be more profitable than splitting into 3 and farming the whole map

[obsidian harbor]

Does anyone know why you get stuck in animations in this game? Like crouching with a Terminus, firing, then being stuck in the lever animation and not being able to sprint. Another case: being stuck in scoped view and not being able to sprint.

[hazy quartz]

the throwing axes don't need a buff, it is possible to oneshot kill zombies with the out of stamina attack, (even hordes without receiving damage with a little bit of practice) and oneshotting armored when throwing it out of stamina.
even if one light attack would use 100% of the stamina it still would be the best tool vs AI

[hazy quartz]

i absolutely love this mechanic, incentivises PvP even more instead of running

[hazy quartz]

yeah that was the worst, everyone poisoning crows on the map in full stealth... game was almost unplayable for a while if you wanted pvp.

[tribal wyvern]

@queen jungle
If they make Xbow same as Slugs, why would you ever run crossbow? Its waaay harder to hit with. And slugs can shoot multiple times & penetrates limbs + walls.

Xbow can not do any of that.

Probably best to take a break before venting in feedback.

[tribal wyvern]

@last ferry Can we not suggest more ways to get money.
You can get it from looting, bounty, clues, pouches, registers, do we really need MORE ?

Stop buying mosins every game & you'll be fine.

You're meant to look after your money & make smart budget decisions from time to time.
Not run a mosin & die, but it was fine cuz u looted 15 chests, found jewelry & other shit.

[last ferry]

@tribal wyvern
If the developers have to reduce the frequency of regular loot pickups that would be fine. balancing the hunt dollar income is perfectly fine and i agree the economy of the game must be balanced. but there is interesting gameplay opportunities to be had over the frankly un-interesting hunt dollar loot mechanics. thanks for the feedback though 🙂

[tribal wyvern]

Like blowing up a chest?
So it's a meathead with jewelry inside?

[last ferry]

yeah, thats a good comparison

[tribal wyvern]

@mossy fog
If they teamed prior to the match, then its probably !report

!report

[marsh garden]

If you would like to report a player, you can do so on the Team Details tab on your Match Summary screen. It is also accessible in the Last Match tab at any time. If you have additional proof you would like to provide, you can find out how to reach out to official support here: #customer-support

[dim heron]

@mossy fog

!report

[marsh garden]

If you would like to report a player, you can do so on the Team Details tab on your Match Summary screen. It is also accessible in the Last Match tab at any time. If you have additional proof you would like to provide, you can find out how to reach out to official support here: #customer-support

[dusk latch]

le monde vas mal

[steel gyro]

I know I’m a little late to the party but I think the two handed pistols trait is a little misguided for the kind of authenticity the devs try to go for, handguns of the era were designed to be used with just one hand and using both may take away from that

[sharp arrow]

@restive sapphire I feel like that would lead to more punishment for the bounty carriers then they already have.

[odd cosmos]

I prefer the idea for the gameplay part ie: big iroooon, big guuuuuns, the "authenticity" is just a small personal opinion/preference (my knowledge on 18XX guns isn't very good).

[sharp arrow]

Having a constant thunder storm in dark sight above you is bad enough- but not being able to see other players with dark sight with a reduced range would make it even tougher

[restive sapphire]

fair enough fellas

i got a better one though

posting now

[burnt mulch]

@last ferry the thing with an urban map is, we have urban-ish compounds already, and having an entire map of upper DeSalle doesn't sound like a good time.

[prime ibex]

@burnt mulch So you want every weapon in the game get turbo nerfed because of caliber sharing so it's more "Realistic" in a game?

Is that ball park or are you gonna try to hash a better reason?

[burnt mulch]

it's not a matter of realism, it's to discourage one-dimensional loadouts.

[prime ibex]

So you don't like having a bigger ammo reserve?

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[burnt mulch]

no. some guns are balanced around their ammo pool, in particular long ammo rifles.

the combination of bolt-action rifle + uppercut has been a staple for a long time, and is a one-dimensional loadout that encourages a single stale style of play, which was buffed with the addition of the Sparks pistol. This is a nerf to that.

again, this is only a nerf if you were bringing two guns with the same ammo.
if you weren't, a rebalancing of the ammo pools of guns probably makes this a buff.

hell, if you were bringing two guns with the same ammo and you were actually using both guns, this is still probably a buff

[zenith moss]

This just sounds like you are salty that you die to long ammo

[prime ibex]

So the lebel is fucked and every other rifle is in the terms of "Mostly fine" because it has the reserve of 10 or above

[burnt mulch]

ah yes "lol salt". great argument.

[burnt mulch]

note that I said rebalance around having their own ammo pool.

[zenith moss]

What's your argument? I don't see anything but complaining

[radiant river]

long ammo is OP. if you watch literally any hunt streamer they all agree

[burnt mulch]

my argument is that one of the downsides of certain guns (and especially long ammo guns) is supposed to be low ammo capacity and difficulty of resupply.

ammo sharing eliminates this downside, at the "cost" of your secondary gun. But that cost doesn't matter if you never play in a range where you need a secondary

which is a stale playstyle that I would like to nerf.

[radiant river]

wdym, mosin with 24 reserve bullets is fine

[prime ibex]

Rebalance in your term feels like the sense of dividing and singling out reserve from other resources such as an Uppercut or Sparks Pistol.

Which again sounds like the Lebel is still getting fucked in the process and every other gun is mostly fine.

[radiant river]

uppercut and sparks pistol remove the downside of long ammo

[burnt mulch]

bro.

[radiant river]

how

[burnt mulch]

I'm saying 2 things

[radiant river]

are you aware lebel has a 10 bullet mag

[zenith moss]

That's the problem

[burnt mulch]

1. don't let rifles and pistols share ammo
2. revisit the ammo balance of guns that relied on (or were limited by the possibility of) ammo sharing.

[prime ibex]

You get 1-2 bullets from munition boxes, why do you think everyone and their cat gets a Sparks pistol or Uppercut?

[burnt mulch]

make it 2-3 and the lebel is totally usable lol.

[radiant river]

if you think lebel would be bad without uppercut then idk what to tell you

sorry you cant kill someone in 15 bullets

[burnt mulch]

hell, even with 1-2, it's still good

[zenith moss]

It would be the worst long ammo rifle

[radiant river]

it 1 shot bodyshots after you go down once. you don't even need to hit the head

[burnt mulch]

everyone and their cat takes sparks pistol or uppercut with lebel because it makes it so much stronger by completely eliminating its downside

[radiant river]

based on what

[zenith moss]

That would indirectly buff mosins

[radiant river]

no it would not. because long ammo is not the only ammo?

i know its easy to forget since its so meta

[balmy sparrow]

Lebel handcannon when

[radiant river]

but there are other guns

[zenith moss]

Doesn't change that Mosin would become way better then lebel

[radiant river]

is it not already?

by your logic

[burnt mulch]

then rebalance them jesus christ

I'm saying that the whole basis of the lebel being propped up by ammo sharing is unhealthy

take away ammo sharing
buff lebel
nerf mosin
keep going

[odd cosmos]

We need this

[zenith moss]

Or you could leave it as is, and stop crying that long ammo is OP XD

[burnt mulch]

...

[radiant river]

?

do you just like typing

you dont even have an argument as to why it isnt op or shouldnt be nerfed

[zenith moss]

You don't have an argument as to why it should

[burnt mulch]

.....

[zenith moss]

That's not an argument

That's you being mad that a certain playstyle isn't suited to you

[radiant river]

so true

they should remove aperture sight from nitro

if you disagree you're just mad

[zenith moss]

He literally said the point was to nerf a playstyle he finds stale

[radiant river]

long ammo is meta for a reason

[zenith moss]

That sounds like a skill issue

Meta is whatever you want it to be

[radiant river]

like i said before, every cracked hunt streamer says long ammo is op. I don't think they're having skill issues with 3+ KDs

[burnt mulch]

..............................

[radiant river]

maybe in 3 stars but at 6 stars long ammo is everywhere

[burnt mulch]

"meta is whatever you want it to be"
ok so I should disregard balance?

[zenith moss]

I am a 6 star XD

[burnt mulch]

why do you think they buffed the cent? it was weak.

so why not nerf ammo sharing, since it's strong?

why not nerf long ammo, because it's strong?

[zenith moss]

Because instead of nerfing everything they should buff what's weak

[radiant river]

how

by making every gun 1 shot bodyshot?

[zenith moss]

Nope

[radiant river]

that's called power creep

[burnt mulch]

nerfing things indirectly buffs other things.
you just described a lebel nerf as a mosin buff, so I'm sure you understand that.

[crystal plume]

Most likely because it's usage data showed it not being picked as often, which does not always line up with something being balanced or not, as we saw with the nitro dumdum buff which was completely unnecessary and the low usage stat on it was purely from people not understanding it's strength yet

[burnt mulch]

and usage of the uppercut and sparks pistol are propped up by the fact that it's used as ammo holders for long ammo guns.
so.... nerf that?

[zenith moss]

I just think it's silly to scream for a nerf because the strong thing promotes a playstyle you dislike

[burnt mulch]

then fuck the stale argument

sniping is fine, ok?

[radiant river]

idk why you're focusing on a specific phrasing of how he said it

[burnt mulch]

it's strong, so nerf it

[radiant river]

long ammo is op whether you like using it or not

I used it a lot, but I know its unbalanced

[burnt mulch]

literally I don't give a shit, removing the "stale playstyle" changes my argument none

[zenith moss]

That's just crying at that point

[burnt mulch]

......

it's called balance

nerfing strong things and buffing weak ones

[zenith moss]

If you aren't trash at the game every gun is the same because a headshots a headshot

[crystal plume]

I don't think long ammo is OP, I think it's the most attractive option thanks to being the most consistent option, I hate the lack of pen on medium and compact ammo which is the main reason why I use long ammo often as I go for wallbangs often

[burnt mulch]

...................................................

[radiant river]

With long ammo, a bodyshot is often a headshot

[burnt mulch]

aiite I can't argue with this guy

[crystal plume]

I would honestly start buffing other ammo types rather than nerfing long, especially when it comes to the range where medium ammo's damage falloff starts

[zenith moss]

That's literally the dumbest thing you've Said

[zenith moss]

Exactly, glad someone agrees

[burnt mulch]

coming from the guy that said this?

[crystal plume]

Please keep it respectful when engaging in a discussion

[zenith moss]

I'm right though

[radiant river]

good argument

[burnt mulch]

yep, just click heads

shotguns are pointless, cuz you could just click heads with a caldwell conversion instead

[zenith moss]

He literally said bodyshots with long ammo sometimes are headshots

[burnt mulch]

he means they're one-shots in the same way headshots are.
which is true, long ammo can often one-shot-kill on body.

[radiant river]

they 1 shot you. its an expression

[zenith moss]

Only if they die or burn off health XD

[radiant river]

your argument that a headshot is a headshot means no gun should be balanced ever

[burnt mulch]

I literally can't.

[inland yoke]

@rigid plinth You saying you shouldnt ragdoll when you die, man i'd love to fly into space like a hellhound when i get knifed lmao

[burnt mulch]

you latch onto a single part, a single phrase, that you misunderstand, and argue against that instead of the whole of what I'm trying to say.

[zenith moss]

My God yall literally arguing that long ammo ones hots to the body

[burnt mulch]

and waste so much time

[radiant river]

should they balance any gun ever?

[burnt mulch]

that's literally one of the reasons it's strong

it oneshots downed x1 hunters

[radiant river]

your arguments make it seem like you think they shouldnt

[zenith moss]

Buff weaker ones

[radiant river]

why would they need a buff? they all 1 shot headshot. seems like you're just bad

[zenith moss]

Vetterli does too

[burnt mulch]

and vetterli is pretty strong, but it doesn't do it at the ranges that long ammo does.

[zenith moss]

Get fmj and it's very comparable

[burnt mulch]

muzzle velocity is now shit

[zenith moss]

Then get better at leading

[burnt mulch]

yeah just git gud

guns are all the same

just click heads

[radiant river]

muzzle velocity is not about leading, its about people jumping unreactably

[burnt mulch]

balance doesn't matter as long as headshots are oneshots.

[zenith moss]

Nope

[burnt mulch]

click heads lol

[radiant river]

its literally impossible to hit someone moving in a certain way with a low MV

its unreactable

[zenith moss]

Wrong

[burnt mulch]

why buff weak guns, if they're just as strong as strong ones if you just click heads?

ez

[zenith moss]

If you are shooting 500m away sure but not within a practical sense

[radiant river]

?

[zenith moss]

So that way you cry about all guns XD

[burnt mulch]

yeah fuck off.

[radiant river]

you are trolling

[zenith moss]

Yall are making points that literally scream "I get killed all the time so I want what kills me nerfed" if you get downed you should be onetap you should be punished for dying

[radiant river]

noone said that

[zenith moss]

That was an argument you made for nerfing long ammo was that it could onetap after a down

[radiant river]

no i said it was the strongest ammo type

[burnt mulch]

long ammo can onetap after a down. many other guns can't. Long ammo should have other downsides to compensate for this strength.

otherwise, why use anything except long ammo, if it's stronger than everything else at everything?

[radiant river]

thoughts on slugs? did they need a nerf?

[zenith moss]

They weren't even needed XD

Now you gotta be a little accurate

[radiant river]

wdym the nerf wasnt needed?

[zenith moss]

Typo, not even nerfed

[radiant river]

well do you think they should be

[zenith moss]

They are fine

Just because something is good doesn't mean it should be nerfed

[burnt mulch]

I can flip that statement around, and maybe you'll see why that's a dumb statement.

just because something is bad doesn't mean it should be buffed

[zenith moss]

Yea, you can flip any statement and it sounds bad? That's the saddest attempt at a rebuttal

[burnt mulch]

... no you can't.

[zenith moss]

Okay let's try it

"Long ammo should be nerfed" we flip it too "long ammo should be buffed"

[radiant river]

well why is his statement false but yours true

[burnt mulch]

that's not flipping the statement

that's just negating it

[zenith moss]

It's flipping it

[burnt mulch]

...

how about this then

[zenith moss]

The fact you make a point and when I say why it's not a good point and then you simply say that's not what you meant and then spend 5 minutes trying to come up with a rebuttal proves your argument has no foundation to stand on

[burnt mulch]

....

ah yes, trying to restate my argument in ways that you might understand means that my argument is weak?

[zenith moss]

That'd not what you are doing

[burnt mulch]

k

[zenith moss]

You aren't restating

You are grasping at straws

Make a valid point, I'll wait

[burnt mulch]

why don't you?

why don't you go ahead and try to make valid points to me instead?

[zenith moss]

Ever point I've made has been valid

[burnt mulch]

try to get me to understand you.

[craggy pike]

before this comes to blows, why not try this again from the beginning with a refined argument

[burnt mulch]

nono, you can argue with me instead

I'll wait.

[zenith moss]

Nothing for me to argue, my points have been made. You are literally now just trying to mimick what I say which means you've lost the argument

[burnt mulch]

I have also already made my points, you are choosing to ignore them and wait for me to make more.

that doesn't mean you "win" that just makes you stubborn.

[zenith moss]

I didn't ignore them I addressed them with why they were wrong

[burnt mulch]

and the fact that you're even considering an argument "won" and "lost" versus being successful at sharing information and expanding horizons means this was pointless to begin with.

this is a dominance thing for you.

I'm glad you managed to stroke your ego.

[craggy pike]

Argument: Weapons should not be balanced around the potential sharing ammo pools because it takes away downsides of weapons, Long Ammo weapons in this case.
Solution: Remove ammo sharing between weapons, and as a result you can increase:
A.) the reserve ammo weapons have
B.) the ammo restored by ammo boxes
C.) a bit of A and B

Is this correct?

[zenith moss]

At the end of the day someone wins and loses, call it what you need to so you feel better

[radiant river]

If that's the point of an argument for you then you don't understand why this channel exists

[rigid plinth]

That'd be pretty funny, but i imagine there's a technical reason why hunters don't just ragdoll when they die

[zenith moss]

Good good another person joining in

[craggy pike]

how horrible!

[burnt mulch]

I acknowledge your viewpoint, and disagree.
wow, I didn't win or lose!

look at that!

[craggy pike]

i'm sorry i don't agree with your arguments, bear

you also sound like an unpleasant person

[burnt mulch]

"arguments"

[zenith moss]

It's not the point but this was never a discussion. You both opened with long ammo needs needed. Not, should long ammo be nerfed? Therefore you started this as an argument rather then a discussion

[craggy pike]

this is literally the discussion channel

[burnt mulch]

nono this is the argument channel, didn't you hear?

[craggy pike]

this is the mincing words channel

[zenith moss]

They started it as an argument

[burnt mulch]

mom he started it

[native lodge]

yeah long ammo could use a nerf and I think ammo pooling is a good pace to start

[craggy pike]

"T-They started it!"

[radiant river]

An argument in this context is the same thing. It's not about winning or losing

[zenith moss]

Then we have immature people coming in just trying to get attention smh

[burnt mulch]

that's literally you

[zenith moss]

No sir, I was here from the start and I've made valid points

[craggy pike]

but anyway, potato, i do agree with your complaint towards ammo sharing, it seems to cause more harm than good

[zenith moss]

Even the mod agreed with the points I was making

[burnt mulch]

um ackshually I started it so I was here from the start 🤓

mods aren't jesus and they aren't always right.

[zenith moss]

The fact you are stooping to these kinds of things literally proves all that was needed

[craggy pike]

mods are people too, and people can have all sorts of opinions

[native lodge]

mods don't always agree with each other either]

[burnt mulch]

"lol u lost your temper first, I win"

[zenith moss]

Exactly

[burnt mulch]

fine you win

congrats

gold star for you, you won the argument

[zenith moss]

For sure

[burnt mulch]

you win

[zenith moss]

Absolutely

[craggy pike]

now lets get back to the discussion, because i'm not done talking about ammo sharing

[native lodge]

sure

long ammo bolt actions are strong enough to be special ammo by default imo

maybe adjust their resupply and ammo pool, but by in large I think it should be difficult to resupply them

[craggy pike]

that could work too, to your second point

variable resupply amounts based on the weapon you're refilling

what is the % right now, 20%?

[burnt mulch]

I dunno about making them all special, that makes them resupply from special ammo boxes instead of long, and it seems weird to have so many guns in the "special" category with the same ammo properties.

[native lodge]

I would be perfectly fine with that tbh

its hardly the most obscure balancing feature in the game

or

just lower spawn rates of ammo boxes in general

[craggy pike]

that would hurt everyone though

[odd cosmos]

Well yes but no, since every gun has a different headshot range :)

[craggy pike]

please don't feed the bear

[native lodge]

hurts the guns with the worst resupply the most

which happens to be long ammo

[craggy pike]

but you can just bring ammo boxes

[native lodge]

sparks and martini being the exception

I mean you can but few people do

[burnt mulch]

sure it nerfs the guns with the worst resupply, but those guns can also just fix their resupply by bringing a spork.

[craggy pike]

if you reduce the ammo boxes in the world then i'm sure you'd see an increase in people bringing their own

[native lodge]

since ammo is so plentiful

[native lodge]

good

if they want extra ammo they have to make sacrifices in other ways

[craggy pike]

sure, i'm not totally against it, it would be an interesting thing to test

maybe an event

[burnt mulch]

I'm fine with nerfing ammo availability in general, but it's not exactly what I was trying to address regarding long ammo.

[craggy pike]

it would make melee a bit more attractive

[burnt mulch]

nothing makes melee attractive, I'm sorry

lol

[craggy pike]

yes i think we're getting off topic

[native lodge]

well I agree with the sentiment that long ammo should be nerfed and that its ammo supplies are what should get hit

[odd cosmos]

The "pure stats" stay the same, but the gameplay around it changes. A very interesting take on nerfs

[native lodge]

bolt action long ammo, does lots damage, great MV, decent rof. I think it should atleast require you to be careful in not wasting shots

[burnt mulch]

things should have distinct strengths and weaknesses. If long is a powerful round, it should have other weaknesses shrugs

[craggy pike]

i agree

[native lodge]

agree

[odd cosmos]

Real

[craggy pike]

cost should never be a balancing point, especially in this game

[native lodge]

yeah

[odd cosmos]

We're either too poor to care, or too rich to care. I'm around 2k Hunt Dollars but can still play Berthiers or Slate pretty often.

[craggy pike]

i like using cost as a measure of style

"here i come with my 100 HD build"

[burnt mulch]

at the low end, cost is style. at the high end, cost is more like.. how common it is.

[craggy pike]

I also just don't like the expensive guns, they aren't cowboy enough for me

but anyway, what else is there to discuss

I made a post about it in suggestions, but I dislike how clunky the alamo rechamber is, but in a bad way

[odd cosmos]

Same thing for me, lever action is in my heart

[craggy pike]

i can't think of one off the top of my head, but some guns have their reload/rechamber animations split up, where you can do part of it then cancel the animation, then continue it again. i wish the alamo could do that after you break the barrel and rechamber the round

but before you cock the hammer

[burnt mulch]

you mean like spinning the barrel of some pistols, or holding the bolt open on lebel/mosin?

cuz then yeah sure I'm on board for that. I didn't really understand the suggestion at first.

[half stag]

segmented reloads

would be really cool if they ever get around to implementing it to every gun

[craggy pike]

believe me, i had to watch the forbidden weapons video to get the right word for when you insert the next cartridge into the gun

cuz reloading wasn't the right word, so it came out very wordy

[burnt mulch]

I wonder if you can cancel the sparks reload when you slide the spent shot out, and start it again.

never tried.

[half stag]

it just restarts the entire animation from the beginning

[craggy pike]

lol

infinite brass generator

[half stag]

when it reality, it should have the breech block open, and you just continue from there

[craggy pike]

that would be a really cool QoL update

[burnt mulch]

would be nice.

[craggy pike]

the engine might ignite though

it would make bulletgrubber-based weapons less frustrating

because you can pop each round out if you cancel the animation every time

[half stag]

#hunt-general message Dennis said they would love to be able to implement a segmented reload system but that its a lot of work. Albeit, this is a old statement, so who knows

[craggy pike]

yea no doubt that would take some hours, hell it took a while to make the crouching aim issue go away

and i believe that was them fixing each pose by hand

[burnt mulch]

@prime ibex Use a spectre instead.

[prime ibex]

Already have.

Other shotguns aren't the topic of my suggestion. The Alamo is.

[burnt mulch]

any suggestion regarding the balance of a gun implicitly includes other guns.

[prime ibex]

No?

[burnt mulch]

yes? because balance is not achieved in a vacuum.

guns are only balanced in comparison to other guns.

[prime ibex]

Alamo fuckin sucks cause of it's horrific fire rate. Clunky, and slow.

[burnt mulch]

does the base romero suck?

it has a slower "fire rate"

[prime ibex]

It doesn't have a fire rate.

[burnt mulch]

it does. Shot + reload + shot is its firerate.

[prime ibex]

It has a reload speed, which is 3 seconds.

[radiant river]

in certain situations alamo is even worse than romero. the animation can restart if you have to vault something and it makes it super awkward to use

[burnt mulch]

you can interrupt the animation with a vault

[radiant river]

yeah and it starts all over again

[burnt mulch]

well, what's different between that and a base romero?

[prime ibex]

You can interrupt the break action by doing anything to interrupt it.

[tribal wyvern]

Dude i hate that so much.
It ejects the bullet, but you switch a millisecond to fast & you need to do the whole thing again.

[half stag]

that affects every gun, and it should be a qol feature, but they've said it'd be a lot of work to adjust

[half stag]

^

[burnt mulch]

the alamo is a base romero that defers some of its reload time for later.
shrugs makes sense to me.

[prime ibex]

Potato, Idk what kind of argument you're bringing to the table but it's half baked. The Alamo is painfully slow and no better but worse than using a regular Romero, which is why the suggestion was birthed in the first place.

[burnt mulch]

the argument I'm bringing to the table is that making the alamo faster encroaches on the spectre's design space.

[prime ibex]

No???

[burnt mulch]

if you want a faster firing alamo, it already exists, it's called a spectre.

[half stag]

🤦 that's a new hot take if I've ever seen one: guns can never encroach on each other's niches/design spaces

[prime ibex]

Specter is a pump action and has a decent RPM of it's own. Adding +7 to fire rate to the Alamo still jots it down to being slower than the Specter or Slate, fuck even the regular Romero even though the reload doesn't matter.

[burnt mulch]

I have legitimately heard the argument that two different guns with the same stats don't encroach on each others' design space because they have different gun models and animations.

[craggy pike]

i really hope the rechamber animation for the alamo being the way it is wasn't intentional, because it feels bad in a bad way, beyond just being clunky

[burnt mulch]

Adding +7 to fire rate to the Alamo still jots it down to being slower than the Specter or Slate, fuck even the regular Romero
hold on, what the heck are you talking about

the alamo is much faster than a regular romero

[tacit mortar]

hey there, does anyone know if this summon is fixed? Last Weekend it wasn't working/collectable ..

[prime ibex]

You can't make comparisons or equalizations to a Break Action shotgun with a Pump Action shotgun. 2 Very different working systems.

[half stag]

.

[craggy pike]

animations aside, the romero has a tighter spread

[half stag]

we're talking gameplay wise

[crystal plume]

Afaik that one works, the one that's bugged is the bloodline xp one

[half stag]

both are repeating shotguns, holding 5 rounds

[burnt mulch]

gameplay-wise, the only difference between the two is that they use different perks. Otherwise, all that matters is RPM.

[tacit mortar]

ahhh, i see. haven't seen that difference. THANK YOU!

[prime ibex]

As for Alamo fire rate it isonly 2.87s in each shot for the Fire rate. It's not even noticeable.

[burnt mulch]

alamo is 2.4-2.5 seconds between shots actually.

regular romero is 4 seconds from one shot to the next.

regular romero #game-questions message

alamo #game-questions message

[quaint silo]

gamebrain ur idea sucks

[craggy pike]

gotta be civil

[quaint silo]

looking through the suggestion chat really enlightens me to the fact most of yall don’t think before u suggest an idea

[craggy pike]

i agree the animation should be less frustrating, hell i made a post about the same thing

[inland yoke]

True, hunters could fly to out-of-bounds areas which obviously would be disastrous as you can't revive/loot in that case. It's already hard enough sometimes to find a gun because they can fly/slide really far away if someone dies on a roof for example.

[burnt mulch]

I think the animation is a little jank, but it's fine.

[quaint silo]

someone really said

nerf the alamo it’s a better romero

[burnt mulch]

it helps to think of chambering a new shot as a "reload" instead of chambering another round.

[quaint silo]

what a fucking genius

[prime ibex]

The gun looks better on paper than in play. It's absolutely agonizing trying to use the Alamo cause it's so damn slow

[half stag]

^^^^ this 1000%

[craggy pike]

the Alofs system was a cheap add-on when you couldn't afford a real pump-action, so the jank is warranted

but the reload system in this game could use some love

[half stag]

and don't forget once, you're out of rounds on the alamo, you're 10x worse off than a standard romero, even a 1-shot reload is slower

[burnt mulch]

idk then, cuz I've been slapping with it.

[craggy pike]

i use it cuz it's cool

there will prolly never be another game that uses it

[inland yoke]

The alamo costs below a 100 bucks and it has the highest range and damage of all the shotguns just like the romero. It really doesn't need a buff.

[quaint silo]

The alamo is great

[burnt mulch]

speed, at least, is not a buff that it needs.

[half stag]

oh yea, I forgot they use price still as a balancing mechanic xd

[inland yoke]

It shouldnt compete with the specter when it comes to fire rate

[quaint silo]

if u are in a firefight and you seriously empty your mag without any chance to reload

u are the worst player in existance

with a 5 round shotgun

theres no hope

[quaint silo]

I feel like they keep the price system mostly so u feel the sting when u die to really make it feel like an extraction shooter

which i can get behind

i kinda like it

[half stag]

doesn't really help with the people that have 30,000+ money that don't prestige

[craggy pike]

eventually you can get to a point where you have more money than you could really spend

[quaint silo]

yeah I’ve been at that point as well

but as someone who insta prestiages it effects my gameplay and I enjoy it’s effect

[inland yoke]

It really shouldn't be a balancing mechanic because most players (atleast me and my friends) can go expensive weapons all day and still profit, the only people that have to watch for the price of a gun are lower skilled people which is dumb. Like i get that there should be a reason to use the weaker guns, but price is mostly irrelevant to higher skilled people

[quaint silo]

I cant believe someone rly said in #feedback to make dual wielding weapons impossible to headshot

I mean weaker guns r weaker n all

[inland yoke]

No clue how else you could make people use the weaker guns tho

[quaint silo]

but all weapons r viable

like I use weaker guns if I like how they look

[inland yoke]

Dude my favourite gun is the springfield cuz idk its just epic

[burnt mulch]

generally speaking, you don't have to make people use the weaker guns. As long as they have something that gives them some sort of edge, or as long as they just.. are cheap, people will use them.

just for the style points of slapping a mosin sniper with a $38 gun

[quaint silo]

ong

nothing feels better than shitting on ppl with trash gear

besides maybe meele kills

so satisfying

[grand frost]

как починить?

[burnt mulch]

uhhh

[burnt mulch]

#ru-правила

[grand frost]

sur

[craggy pike]

damn, system32 is an untrusted file?

[inland yoke]

But imagine there was no currency system in the game and you could just choose the weapon you want, there is absolutely no reason to use the Springfield or the Vetterli for example. The main reason i think balancing around money is dumb is because i could theoretically play Lebel Uppercut every single game and still profit at the end of the day. There is no incentive for me to play cheap guns when i make lots of money.

Being skilled at the game allows you to play better guns, where as being worse at the game restricts you to using weaker guns

[radiant river]

yes but there has to be some cheap and bad guns for newer players or people who prestige

if a gun is cheap and just as good people will still use it because not everyone is rich

[burnt mulch]

being skilled at the game lets you play better guns but it also puts you against other people who are skilled at the game and are playing better guns.

if you can choose the weapon you want, you don't pick the weak weapons unless you want to style on someone.

but at lower levels of play, those weapons are still practically useful as either an introduction to the weapon system or somehow easier to use.

[quaint silo]

honestly until ur 6 star it’s all just shit players

[burnt mulch]

and they can have specific unique strengths, that, while sometimes not strong can be used.

like how the nagant precision technically has the unique strengths of being extremely stable with good ammo capacity and high velocity ammo.

[quaint silo]

I’ve legit never used the nagant m18, that shit is degen asf

scottfield superiority

[inland yoke]

I play 5-6 Star and see quite a lot of people who play cheaper guns or weapons i would personally consider troll (2 Slot pistols, springfield compact, dual wield in general) like, yeah i get some weapons are really cool, but while i can only speak for myself, I never really had money problems and I mostly bring like 800$ worth of weapons into the match.

[inland yoke]

Thats cool and all, but if i have enough money i can also just buy a mosin (or a Mosin obrez if you want a 2-slot comparison) and just outclass that gun as a whole

[burnt mulch]

right, but it's not really designed to compete with the mosin.

[inland yoke]

Like, i would love to have a practical reason to play a cheaper gun but there really isn't. Especially the Nagant precision has not even a niche in which it is good at. The Romero for example atleast has the niche of having the highest damage and range but only 1 shot.

[burnt mulch]

if anything, the availability of hunt dollars should be reduced to below the point where you generate money every round.

[inland yoke]

Fully agree on that one, i feel like you get way too much money or the guns are way too cheap. I don't know if that's true but it feels like you get much more money nowadays than say 3 years ago.

[half stag]

cough dark tribute cough

[inland yoke]

All the money bags you find around aswell

Like, they hardly give anything, but all combined it really adds up over time i feel

[burnt mulch]

the money bags isn't even really that much of an issue. how often do you even manage to extract with your $20 from the match anyway

I do think that there should be more opportunities to haul out guns rather than money from a match though, contraband or not.

less monee more gun

[inland yoke]

Not looking at that one time where i found 2 nitros back to back in 2 ranger lookouts

[queen jungle]

@tribal wyvern hey genius, the xbow is only like 40 bucks compared to 200 for slugs plus the cost of the gun

@tribal wyvern probably best to use critical thinking before you type

[burnt mulch]

probably best to be at least a little respectful when you type.

[inland yoke]

^

[burnt mulch]

also.. what are you even replying to

I can't even find it.

[inland yoke]

Probably in #game-ideas no?

[burnt mulch]

I'm doing a in: suggestion-ideas and from: freddie guy search

[queen jungle]

he @ me earlier

don't worry about it

[burnt mulch]

ic.

[inland yoke]

Anyways, i would love to have an incentive to play cheaper guns even if it's worse at combat. Like skins to unlock by playing a gun, achievements or maybe something like a badge system which you can flex on others in the lobby and kill screen?

Also kill-tracker for unique weapons maybe

[burnt mulch]

imagine turning around and seeing a guy with a golden bornheim

[inland yoke]

imagine golden nagant precision

ohoh

[burnt mulch]

o no

[inland yoke]

...golden silenced nagant

[craggy pike]

best they can do is polar star

[queen jungle]

like the csgo stat tracker

i would like a holo sight as well

[burnt mulch]

im so down for kill-unlocked skins of weapons.

[queen jungle]

The Devil's Romero, unlocked for 666 kills

[craggy pike]

in current Hunt fashion, you'd unlock the opportunity to purchase them for BB, which honestly i would be fine with

[inland yoke]

I mean, they said they are changing the monetisation system and so far, i believe the battle pass is a good step in the right direction. Gives good content for good price.

[craggy pike]

if they really wanted to make money from BB purchases, they'd not give so much out for free, but that would be a tough choice

[burnt mulch]

didn't they already reduce BB gains?

[craggy pike]

i stopped playing after the christmas event, came back last wednesday and played 44 hours since then, with the summons, consective extract thing, and just playing i made something like 550BB without spending a dime

i'd say they should reduce it again if they are aiming to make money

i made 18 BB from a round yesterday, included some kills, running the gauntlet, and maxxing a hunter

[burnt mulch]

I think they're just shifting it to "additional gameplay incentive" rather than just getting them from doing normal things.

which I think is fine, having more people playing is just as valuable as money.

[craggy pike]

it feels like if you're a god gamer, you can make bank, never have to spend a dollar

but less-skilled people are going to make scraps from playing matches

[inland yoke]

Imagine how much money they could make by giving us customisation options, like profile banners, gun buddies and the likes. Also perhaps upgrading the quality of skins like changing weapons sounds (for the user only ofcourse) or weapon animations etc.

[craggy pike]

the summons and consecutive extract thing are doable by all

[inland yoke]

In this game I only buy a skin when i really like the gun, but in other games i buy skins for weapons/characters even if i dont like them all too much just because they are really cool yk

[burnt mulch]

petition to add fortnite dance emote to hunt showdown

[inland yoke]

Honestly

it would be hilarious

[craggy pike]

personally i hate premium currency, but i'll buy DLC if i like the game and the skins are cool

[inland yoke]

Imagine someone is shooting you and you just start dancing to make it harder to hit your head lmao

[craggy pike]

i bought the Carter dlc the other day, tho it was on sale

[burnt mulch]

https://gfycat.com/negativespiritedgrassspider-battlefield-4-funny

[craggy pike]

powerful

[inland yoke]

basically xd

[craggy pike]

i think the "progressive hunter" is a step in the right direction in terms of customizing and a new revenue stream

[inland yoke]

Imagine something like kill animations, like you down a hunter and burn him but hunters can't burn out anymore, instead if they are on their last bar and on the ground you can execute them with some flashy animation

Honestly, while the other ideas were mostly dumb, I would be totally down for something like that

But Crytek is way too small of a team for them to make it worth making all those animations

[craggy pike]

it is kinda unsatisfying just to down a hunter and whittle their health down to 0 with fire

[half stag]

customizable hunters would literally drain everyone's blood bond reserves if they do make it so that you need to purchase individual parts of an outfit

[craggy pike]

sounds like a win for all

something to work/pay towards

making a personalized hunter

[inland yoke]

Then again, they gave every legendary hunter a "personality" right? Like a special animation, theoretically you could do the same for those kill animations. You would feel those kill animations exclusive for legendary hunters much more than the short animations in the lobby and when you get killed by someone

While being the same amount of effort no?

[craggy pike]

Reverend prays over your corpse

i'd clap

[inland yoke]

Cain just starting to eat you on the spot

[burnt mulch]

Redskin hocks loogies at you

[inland yoke]

Man

we might be onto something here

[craggy pike]

i'm sure the team has thought of a lot of this stuff, but they seem to be buried by technical debt, among other things

[inland yoke]

I mean, first of all they should focus on fixing these damn servers tbh

[half stag]

there's even some minor stuff they could charge bb's for like customizable main menu songs and loading screens.

[burnt mulch]

imagine if they added an animation for serpent where you suck through a straw

slurp

[craggy pike]

lol

big straw

[burnt mulch]

I want a medkit skin that's just a can of beans.

[inland yoke]

At the end of serpent animation I want a "Y O I N K" sound effect tho

[burnt mulch]

where you eat the beans to get health back

[craggy pike]

i think the broken bottle skin is a good sign that they might do more unique skins

i'm just tired of "gun but wood is old and wrapped in cloth"

i really hate wrapped weapon skins

[inland yoke]

Next up are weapon skins where the weapon talks to you like in valorant

[craggy pike]

i miss the ornate stuff with rosewood

[half stag]

I would like if they added "new guns" as skins if they are just functionally the same as guns we already have in game (ie colt navy conversion has a colt open top skin)

[burnt mulch]

hey that's an idea.

they gotta make identifying skinned guns easier though

[inland yoke]

Weapons on the ground should always say what gun it is, not the skin name

always confuses new players

and me

[burnt mulch]

amen

[inland yoke]

sometimes

Imagine a skin tied to a special ammo

[craggy pike]

yea, even if they put the real weapon name in parentheses

[inland yoke]

Romero with dragon breath having like a dragon skin

roars when you shoot and spits fire

First of they have to make dragonbreath a viable option tho

[burnt mulch]

for dragonbreath to be viable, revives need to be a bigger part of fights.

and fire needs to get nerfed.

(bbq'ing hunters fire, not on-fire fire)

would be a very different game.

[inland yoke]

I feel like either dragonbreath has to burn a health chunk on hit (like hellfire bomb) or hunters need to stay on fire when they are downed with it

[craggy pike]

either would be cool

[inland yoke]

Or, honestly, just give it full shotgun damage. A shotgun with no penetration is already downside enough

[burnt mulch]

it's too easy to find lamps in compounds where you'd usually use it.

[craggy pike]

i also liked that idea of igniting based on damage dealt, instead of number of shots

[burnt mulch]

y'know what I'm surprisingly ok with this one.

[craggy pike]

agreed

i'd love to be scared of fire shotguns

[inland yoke]

I feel like fire as a whole is just a bad effect. If you have the option between fire and bleed ammo, you always choose bleed because it deals "real" damage. With shotguns it's different because of how flechettes work, but fire as a whole is just a bad effect i feel

[burnt mulch]

I dunno, I would choose fire if it set people on fire in one shot like bleed does.

[craggy pike]

another way to balance this would be for fire ammo to instantly ignite, but change the properties of being on fire

[burnt mulch]

the two-shot requirement is really the biggest downside cuz they'd usually just die.

[craggy pike]

make it burn slower or something like that, reduce the visual impairment

[burnt mulch]

make putting out fire faster

[queen jungle]

@prime ibex what exactly is your definition of “fix”?

[inland yoke]

Also the size of the bullet should matter. Perhaps compact ammo gives you light burning, medium gives you strong burning, and long ammo burns 25hp on top of the normal burning. Or atleast make the sparks burn 25hp instantly. Idk i just like the idea of a "Hellfire like" effect.

[craggy pike]

i think the most annoying parts of burning and poison are their visual interruptions

[radiant river]

if sparks did that it would be insane

[burnt mulch]

separate the visual impairment into a separate effect: dazed

[radiant river]

24hp at most

[burnt mulch]

starshell and flares now cause dazed

let's fucking go

[inland yoke]

24hp means you have to press F the moment you get hit

[radiant river]

sparks doesnt light you on fire first shot anyways

[inland yoke]

dude

read the conversation

[burnt mulch]

oh shit the LAMP could cause dazed

let's GO

lamp value

[inland yoke]

Lamp headshot = oneshot

cant change my mind

[craggy pike]

i've always wanted to shoot those lamp poles above someone

but there's no point

[radiant river]

mb

[inland yoke]

This is a "What if" scenario as we were talking about how you could make fire ammo useful. Currently, nobody uses it cuz it is just bad in comparison to Poison or bleed.

And yes, sparks burning 25 hp instantly would be really fucking op xd

[queen jungle]

Only if you don’t have line of sight

[radiant river]

if they just made the char damage it does on the first shot (not the one that burns you) take longer to recover it might be good, kind of like poison

[queen jungle]

Incen would be good if it lit bosses but it doesn’t

[inland yoke]

I would be fine if normal fire ammo (not dragonbreath) never ignites someone but have the charred health stay really long. Like regenerate 1hp every 30 seconds or something like that

That would make high damage weapons like the sparks really dangerous with fire ammo

[burnt mulch]

it doesnt? coulda sworn..

[inland yoke]

I know it deals good damage to bosses but idk if it ignites them

but then again, you could just bring poison ammo for bosses

Both have a 25% chance of not working

[craggy pike]

at least poison was made a bit stronger for pvp

i'm sure fire will get its day

[burnt mulch]

fire's only good point in pvp is insta-barrels

[inland yoke]

Lets hope so, i really wanna use it but theres no point really

[burnt mulch]

but even then, just shooting the barrel twice is usually fast enough

[inland yoke]

Also incendiary has bullet tracers and honestly

that makes them cool af already

every gun should have bullet tracers ngl

[craggy pike]

yea that's a major weakness to them though

and they don't nearly make up for that detriment, but they are rad

[burnt mulch]

incendiary rounds could cause char damage on near-miss

[inland yoke]

I remember fighting on really long distances and just watching the incendiary round slowly make its way towards me its so cool

[burnt mulch]

like getting singed by a passing bullet

[inland yoke]

That would be cool but i think the char effect in general is not strong enough unless you really want to push how much it chars which could get out of hand really fast

[craggy pike]

i got headshot by incendiary, saw it coming right at me, was cool

[inland yoke]

Imagine Levering winfield missing 3 bullets and burning a health chunk with it

[burnt mulch]

I think with the current state of fire, two near-misses turning into fire would be strong enough

the char damage itself doesn't need to be stronger

[inland yoke]

Also, what if fire ammo would set things on fire behind wooden walls? Like the bullet itself shouldnt wallbang, but it creates like a burst of fire on the other side

[burnt mulch]

feels like we're about to start talking about explosive fire ammo

[inland yoke]

i mean

now that you mention it

shouldnt explosive ammo set you on fire?

Like, you have a literaly explosion right on your chest

on cloth

[craggy pike]

if it's just a fragmentary explosion then prolly not

[burnt mulch]

no, explosion is pressure-expansion based. even if ignition is usually the way to start the reaction.

no, frags are something else.

explosion is pure shockwave, frags are shockwave-propelled shrapnel

[craggy pike]

we could add an internal trauma status

[burnt mulch]

good lord

[inland yoke]

Hear me out, this would be super hard to implement, but what if you could destroy vegetation (bushes, corn, etc) with explosives (both ammo and dynamite) and burn them down with fire.

I would love to just burn down an entire field with dragonbreath ammo lol

[craggy pike]

i can feel my gpu burning just by the mention of that

[inland yoke]

Same

gonna throw mine out soon

waiting for rtx 4000

[craggy pike]

i'm on 2015 bang-for-buck technology

all settings at the lowest but i can still get a stable 60

[inland yoke]

I get like 70-80 but my game still stutters and idk why

but my gpu (or pc in general) is really fucking hot whilst playing hunt

Im on the 2016 bang-for-buck technology

[queen jungle]

Turn your resolution down

[inland yoke]

That would be a fix, but i wanna know what causes the stutters

[queen jungle]

It’s either your resolution, your CPU, or RAM.

[craggy pike]

my resolution is 100% and i have v-sync on, everything else is at the lowest

[inland yoke]

I mean, most likely my CPU no? I have 16 gb ram which should definetly be enough for gaming, cpu is ryzen 5 2600x

[burnt mulch]

have you tried checking the advanced performance stats in hunt or the usage graphs in task manager?

[queen jungle]

It could be your GPU

[inland yoke]

But i have 70-80 fps even during those stutters

[queen jungle]

Yeah like literally any benchmarks

[queen jungle]

Okay but if you’re stuttering then that fps counter is plain wrong

[inland yoke]

I mean, crytek developed it, it very well may be wrong

[queen jungle]

That’s kinda the thing. If you’re dropping frames you aren’t at stable FPS

[burnt mulch]

isn't there a stat for dropped frames?

could also be packet loss/reordering or something

[nova canyon]

Yeah, packet loss look like stutter sometime

[craggy pike]

some thing that also help are turning off the steam overlay

[nova canyon]

@prime ibex Alamo is made to be slow and cluncky

[craggy pike]

yea but there's good clunky and bad clunky

[nova canyon]

Alamo is Bad clunky on purpose

Specter IS good clunky

[queen jungle]

It’s not even bad

It’s a slightly faster full length romero. It slaps ass

[inland yoke]

@queen jungle If my gpu is at 90-100% and i have 70-80 fps, can that still be it? I'll have to check how much cpu/gpu/ram hunt eats but the gpu should always be high usage unless you intentionally go for high fps no?

[nova canyon]

I like the clunkyness of it, but i understand that those who expected a fast fire Romero are a bit disappointed

[craggy pike]

i mean moreso that you have to redo the whole animation for putting a new round into the main barrel if you interrupt the animation

[queen jungle]

WHAT IS YOUR GPU

GIVE US MODEL

[inland yoke]

gtx 1060 6gb

[nova canyon]

Yeah but that the case with every weapon @craggy pike

[queen jungle]

Yes

That is why