development

[stuck wyvern]

something's wrong if you have a permission denied on your makefile, sounds like you created it as root or something

[grim sparrow]

No that was Mr Theos, #development message

[tepid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/bedtime-mouse-despereaux-big-ears-im-all-ears-gif-17642125

[tepid olive]

i mean

i dont mind reinstalling ubuntu

[zenith hatch]

kirb’s banner

love it

[grim sparrow]

Don’t set the Theos path at the top of the makefile, do that in your env

Instead of using /home/…. each time just do $THEOS

[zenith hatch]

export moment

[grim sparrow]

I got new boots on Saturday and since then I’ve just been moving the box between my bed and chair every day because I don’t know where to put it

[pearl sail]

Nothing it compiled fine

for me

probably

both

[silver rampart]

This is typically an issue with type processing UTF-8 string processing, very very funky c++ typestrings, or in this case, not even sure

https://github.com/cxnder/sdk-builder/actions/runs/1925292096

fingers crossed

[pearl sail]

You are in territory I am unfamiliar with tbh Capt

I have never stop parallel building in Procursus

I just dealt with it

[silver rampart]

ios 15 processing currently has to extract files from the ipsw very manually, so it'll be a bit before i can get around to working that into the regular workflow

until blacktop/ipsw fixes their thing for ios 15

[tepid olive]

hmm

https://i.vgy.me/oXjPDO.png

[marble tiger]

Oh, gotch’ya. Thanks!

[pearl sail]

you mean like MEMO_TARGET and MEMO_CFVER stuff like that?

I do that all the time

That seems a lot of stuff building at different times you are bound to hit race conditions especially if you don't have all the build_deps built for each package

[lime pivot]

Adam Theos

good one, Absidue Zebra

[pearl sail]

Trump will meet with you at Maralago on March 12

[grim sparrow]

Yes sir

[primal perch]

hype

[restive ether]

hype

[primal perch]

https://tenor.com/view/die-just-die-gif-23172530

[restive ether]

sorry

[lime pivot]

try the recycling ♻️

[grim sparrow]

I keep all my boxes bozo

[lime pivot]

sorry I'm just being my parents

they can't stand that I keep boxes

[grim sparrow]

lol

I had to get insoles because my size has gone from 8 -> 6.5

[lime pivot]

your size went… down?

[grim sparrow]

Yes

[lime pivot]

huh I didn't know the body was capable of such a thing

makes sense for you but still

[grim sparrow]

On mtf HRT feet get smaller and height goes down

[zenith hatch]

i thought this was the development channel

[grim sparrow]

It’s general for nerds

[lime pivot]

yeah, human body development

[grim sparrow]

My weight is going up though

[zenith hatch]

to match your banner

[lime pivot]

lmao

[pearl sail]

https://tenor.com/view/eyes-gif-21821822

MFW I see meth

[twilit jungle]

[primal perch]

jules when meth

[pearl sail]

true

[pearl sail]

Sir where is the A12+ bootrom exploit??

[twilit jungle]

In the A12+ bootrom

[pearl sail]

true...

[primal perch]

true...

gimme a14 bootrom exploit i wanna boot macos

[silver rampart]

elusive bug in the A14 bootrom where if you take your phone apart, remove all the hardware, then replace it with the hardware from an M1 mac, you can boot macos

hope apple doesn't patch this

[primal perch]

kek

but jokes aside its the same cpu and gpu core design as the m1 so with some patches i feel like its remotely possible

m1 ipad would be much easier

people boot mac with amd cpus which sounds like a bigger pain relatively

[tepid olive]

go ahead

write drivers for iphone screen

my theos is in home

this is like a random generated tweak as well

[lime pivot]

can you do file $THEOS/linux/iphone/bin/ldid?

it's either a corrupt download or not a Linux/Intel build

[lime pivot]

sorry I got the path wrong

better if you just copy paste from what you just saw in the error

from the previous screenshot

[tepid olive]

/home/shrino/theos/toolchain/linux/iphone/bin/ldid: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=2971186340cb12b1a451da2301b69bc85a7b8d2a, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, not stripped```

[lime pivot]

that looks like it should work…

[tepid olive]

fk wsl

rather just have a mac

😩

[lime pivot]

could you try running ldid directly, see if you get the same exec format error?

just /home/shrino/theos/toolchain/linux/iphone/bin/ldid on its own

[tepid olive]

-bash: /home/shrino/theos/toolchain/linux/iphone/bin/ldid: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error```

[lime pivot]

that is so weird

I think the best thing you can do is try redownloading the toolchain again

[tepid olive]

alr

[lime pivot]

rm -rf ~/theos/toolchain/linux/iphone to nuke that

then, yep, that

[tepid olive]

i downloaded #6

i meant without swift support

[restive ether]

procursus ldid 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[primal perch]

ok done

pushing to accord

[lime pivot]

yeah TBF Cameron's toolchain (the Swift one) will have much newer ldid anyway

[primal perch]

procure some hoes

yeah lemme type goes over hoes

thanks ios

f

[tepid olive]

B

[primal perch]

tarball it and then copy

sequential is way faster than file by file

optionally compress

so does asking about it on discord

[tepid olive]

hmm

1 is a tweak i made from nic.pl

23 is my own tweak

[primal perch]

run ls

also is that 480p

[tepid olive]

that just displays whatever is in the folder

[primal perch]

[tepid olive]

no

2560x1440

[primal perch]

well is there a make file and everything

[primal perch]

what is the makefile content

[tepid olive]

DEBUG = 0
FINALPACKAGE = 1
FOR_RELEASE = 1

TWEAK_NAME = CODM

CODM_FRAMEWORKS =  UIKit Foundation Security QuartzCore CoreGraphics CoreText  AVFoundation Accelerate GLKit SystemConfiguration GameController

CODM_CCFLAGS = -std=c++11 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -DNDEBUG
CODM_CFLAGS = -fobjc-arc -Wno-deprecated-declarations -Wno-unused-variable -Wno-unused-value

CODM_FILES = ImGuiDrawView.mm delete.xm $(wildcard views/*.m) $(wildcard Esp/*.mm) $(wildcard Esp/*.m) $(wildcard KittyMemory/*.cpp) $(wildcard KittyMemory/*.mm) $(wildcard KittyMemory/*.m) $(wildcard las/*.m) 



#SHRINOWARE_LIBRARIES += substrate
# GO_EASY_ON_ME = 1
export THEOS=/home/shrino/theos

include $(THEOS_MAKE_PATH)/tweak.mk
include $(THEOS)/makefiles/common.mk
after-install::
   install.exec "killall -9 kgvn || :"```

[primal perch]

what’s the content of tweak 1 makefile

[tepid olive]

tweak1?

[primal perch]

the folder 1

[tepid olive]

wdym

[primal perch]

in 1

the makefile there

[tepid olive]

im confused

[primal perch]

cat ~1/Makefile

[tepid olive]

im gonan be honest

where do you see that

[restive ether]

all you mfs making CODM cheats

can’t even use theos

[tepid olive]

its crosshairs but ok

[primal perch]

[restive ether]

kissing dudes

[restive ether]

literal skill issue

[tepid olive]

i dont want to put cum on my screen for crosshairs

thats icky

[restive ether]

maybe don’t suck at a game with literal auto aim

[primal perch]

who said anything about cum

[tepid olive]

cant man

[primal perch]

the ss you sent

[restive ether]

copying with a reflink patch is fast

https://twitter.com/procursusteam/status/1420615003477061635?s=21

Procursus Team (@ProcursusTeam)

A new coreutils (8.32-13) update is out on Procursus with significantly decreased cp command times. We found a 99.3% time decrease when copying the 2GB dyld_shared_cache on an iPhone 6s! https://t.co/TT3S6LIeMW

Twitter · Jul 29, 2021, 5:19 AM

[tepid olive]

i dont see anything that says cat ~1/Makefile

[primal perch]

[restive ether]

though i don’t remember if it’s on for the 9.0 build

[primal perch]

run that

[restive ether]

it might’ve broke

probably fixed again

[primal perch]

that’s hot

[restive ether]

sun had to write his own reflink patch for darwin, fun times

https://github.com/ProcursusTeam/Procursus/tree/main/build_patch/coreutils

[primal perch]

is that sunchip nacho

[restive ether]

yeah sunpiss

[primal perch]

@subtle grail good shit

[restive ether]

i’m pretty sure sun wrote the reflink patch, it’s been so long i forgot

[ocean raptor]

https://wordlix.app/

[primal perch]

ew open source

[ocean raptor]

Wordlix
🟩⬜⬜⬜⬜
🟩⬜🟨⬜⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[restive ether]

how do i enter a word

[ocean raptor]

You type...

[restive ether]

i did

[ocean raptor]

Then press line feed

[restive ether]

i did

and it breaks

[ocean raptor]

I did cheat and look at the standard's list

[restive ether]

command or function not found.

[ocean raptor]

Tbf it is GPL

[restive ether]

lol

average GPL project

[ocean raptor]

The should go away after a bit...

[restive ether]

oh

it’s just

really slow

reflink go zoom

when reflink got enabled it broke sileo that was funny

fix reflink in sileo so it go zoom

[ocean raptor]

CoW

[primal perch]

https://mac-optimization.bestreviews.net/the-magic-behind-apfs-copy-on-write/

[ocean raptor]

apfs didn't invent CoW...

[primal perch]

who said it did

[ocean raptor]

I misread the article title....

[restive ether]

joe

[primal perch]

joe

still baffles me std::format was added in C++20

and not way before

[indigo peak]

thanks a lot - is there a way to do the string representations in swift, like %c() in Orion?

both exist in swift?

[primal perch]

[indigo peak]

I’m not at my pc right now so I can’t check

[primal perch]

the real solution is not using swift

[indigo peak]

frfr

[primal perch]

bird poop was written in objc

proof

[indigo peak]

func NSClassFromString(_ aClassName: String) -> AnyClass?

[primal perch]

optionals 💀

[indigo peak]

trye

[primal perch]

true

thanks for running the trojan

with a ida escape

[primal perch]

[ocean raptor]

make sure xz is built

[restive ether]

why are you putting that in the bootstrap

but we have plutil

https://github.com/withgraphite/plutil granted this one’s better and we don’t use it

dog

[primal perch]

gaming

[restive ether]

yeah why would it be

[primal perch]

plutil: not found

average theos mf

plist buddy

[pearl sail]

If it builds correctly individually it should be just a matter of packaging for the bootstrapping

[primal perch]

build_strap

[pearl sail]

hold up I will be back

[primal perch]

dyld-o

Darwin imac.lan 20.6.0 Darwin Kernel Version 20.6.0: Wed Jan 12 22:22:42 PST 2022; root:xnu-7195.141.19~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64

cum

go ahead use mac without rosetta

[ocean raptor]

I do

[primal perch]

yeah i do too

dont need it

mald arm user

[ocean raptor]

nice

[restive ether]

12

[primal perch]

when the

[lime pivot]

@ocean raptor how much do you hate this 😂

[pearl sail]

[restive ether]

wtf sim target

[lime pivot]

procursus on da SIM

[restive ether]

yooo

[lime pivot]

I mean hey, SIMs are little tiny computers 🙃

[primal perch]

when sim jailbreak

[lime pivot]

not very smart ones, but they can do a tiny bit of thinking

enough to run custom embedded Java programs

[sour halo]

what abt kotlin

[tepid olive]

java ring

[lime pivot]

tbh, it isn't that far off from objc

still some sucky bits like lack of getters/setters

[primal perch]

its pretty cool for what it is

[tepid olive]

swift is pretty cool but it cant run on a ring

i like swift

[primal perch]

swift

objc

who tryna write tableView?.delegate = self

tableView.delegate = self;

there we go

[tableView release]; is still better

[tepid olive]

im more used to languages like python and c#

[primal perch]

true

same with c++ but nobody shits on it except rust mfs

@grave sparrow every time i use swift it feels like apples giving me a fisher price toy gun

but when you pull out objc you got the real deal

the rifle

and c++ shit

literally everything

swift also changes every 2 years

annoying as fuck to find swift 3 code

and then 4

and then 5

and then when you find swift 1 or 2 it’s basically a different language

so copy pasting = rewrite

whereas objc from 2001 compiles fine

at most you remove mrc

xcode is balls

it breaks all the time randomly

if it didn’t i’d like it

ui wise it’s better than vs

and ux

but when i use xcode for the first time in a year it froze on 39 lines of swiftui

wouldn’t build and kept complaining

until i removed half of them

was 100% valid code

might be a swiftui thing but still

true

xcode lookin ass moment still

and as it turns out

swiftui is not easier nor faster than uikit

it is worse

plus you need swift

you just lose

compared to swiftui it slaps

i had to jack it off 35 times to get it to work

and when i did it’s jank

whereas uikit is ol reliable

it’s so good it makes swift tolerable

swift + swiftui is just nah

never again

i tried it 2 weeks ago and i’ve had enough

for life

anyhow that concludes our group masturbation of objectivec

going to go sleep

gl

[pearl sail]

when you look at build_stage in finder can you find the find that particular file

like is it a case of the file existing and not be copying over or is it not there at all.

you made any changes to the makefile for darling

expect for cp -af

drop f in the cp flag and put v. See if the verbose output gives more detail to the issue

[pearl sail]

interesting

did it error out again?

[pearl sail]

uhh shit capt i hope you solve the issue I got too high to be competent

gn

[untold river]

update-alternatives time

[vivid dew]

thoughts on objc protocols?

[weary heath]

They are more flexible than a normal class interface, since they let you reuse a single API declaration in completely unrelated classes. This makes it possible to represent horizontal relationships on top of an existing class hierarchy

[ocean raptor]

Good idea, I'd merge it if you PR

[untold river]

procursus on da simulator

[lime pivot]

heheh, I ended up running into issues and just patching my binaries instead

[graceful gate]

Cursed

[ocean raptor]

[lime pivot]

hey it works ootb now! no manual patching needed

[graceful gate]

Noice

[primal perch]

tableView->SetDataSource(this);

[restive ether]

cephei

i am once again begging you to

use plutil

[ocean raptor]

PlistBuddy is good...

[restive ether]

plist deez nuts

[ocean raptor]

and there is no good iOS plutil

[restive ether]

mybloxx guy believes in plutil supremacy

[ocean raptor]

[restive ether]

he’s a genius

[ocean raptor]

I think that just proves that PlistBuddy is better

@grave sparrow

% vtool -show plutil 
plutil:
Load command 9
      cmd LC_BUILD_VERSION
  cmdsize 32
 platform IOS
    minos 12.1
      sdk 12.1
   ntools 1
     tool LD
  version 409.12
Load command 10
      cmd LC_SOURCE_VERSION
  cmdsize 16
  version 1561.0

It's real plutil

% what plutil 
plutil
    PROGRAM:plutil  PROJECT:Foundation-1561

[zenith hatch]

innit mate

[ocean raptor]

That's illegal

[zenith hatch]

[self bri’ish];

[ocean raptor]

redistributing that binary is illegal

there is no source

plutil is closed source

that's why pro still ships sbingner's plutil

cause I haven't pulled a defaults yet

[gentle grove]

Wouldn't it be distribution anyways because you'd be uploading the compiled version to the procursus repo

[ocean raptor]

ProcursusTeam/FoundationTools @restive ether

[ocean raptor]

?

That binary is from a leak

[gentle grove]

I mean some program that theoreitclaly wasn't allowed to be distributed even if compiled from source

[restive ether]

ProcursusTeam/GetDMCA’ed

[grim sparrow]

trol

[gentle grove]

Because a binary version would be uploaded to the procursusnrepo

[ocean raptor]

yes but Apple releases things under APSL which allows redistribution

[ocean raptor]

waiting for defaults to get dmcad

[gentle grove]

This is the context I was replying to

[ocean raptor]

yes, thats why source available stuff isn't available on procursus

[restive ether]

use the other one

not the apple open source one

[grim sparrow]

plutil is for nerds

[ocean raptor]

Just use defaults

default read ./file will read file.plist in the local dir

[pearl sail]

@grave sparrow @grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow@grave sparrow

btw how did bootstrap building go

[pearl sail]

[restive ether]

.

[faint timber]

@grave sparrow flex

yeh lol

[primal perch]

ghost blah blah blah

[rose wren]

https://tenor.com/view/die-gif-22541052

[primal perch]

sussy

[primal perch]

never forget

[vivid dew]

never forget what

[ocean raptor]

@grave sparrow I'm gonna be building a rootless strap for coolstar today or tomorrow, I'll let you know how effortless it is

Also, I think I got the password stuff working 🙏

It'll be in /private/preboot/jb

[pearl sail]

You can use the strap tho

Yeah I don't get it either tbh

[primal perch]

we need rust

[restive ether]

build system based on rust but for all projects

rustup python

uranus

[weary heath]

The fourth result from random Greek word generator .net

[primal perch]

college

go ahead

find it

[pearl sail]

gl

[ocean raptor]

Ask someone for that

Well you're a zebra dev, kinda important for you to know what's happeneing...

Saurik hasn't touched cydia in ages

Just discussion about implementing rootless

I'll make sure

[vivid dew]

[misty cradle]

bbw

[vivid dew]

plist buddy

[tepid olive]

!ban @grave sparrow

[silver rampart]

certified view kermit the frog drive driving gif 12873213 moment

[ocean raptor]

Does it not link liblzma?

Well it probably needs lzma.h which isn't in the sdk

Add xz to the list of build deps

[rose wren]

do you guys want to see my wordle made in c++

[gentle grove]

no

i already saw your war crimes

i will make my own c++ wordle that will be way bvetter than yours

sorry

[primal perch]

segmentation fault

[faint timber]

we do a little 4141 on a15

[primal perch]

we do

[faint timber]

its 0x41Con for a reason

[ocean raptor]

@lime pivot do you have zebra and chariz statistics and stuff that would tell me how many iOS 12 jailbreakers there are?

[high citrus]

Do I need to update my tweaks (for rootless jb) even if I don’t write anything to root, like Sonitus

[ocean raptor]

Is it only a dylib and preferences?

[high citrus]

Yep

[ocean raptor]

Then it should work

[high citrus]

Ah okay thanks

[tacit spade]

need help: someone sent me a support message for arise and included this image

the problem with that is

[grim sparrow]

can you run for me

[tacit spade]

i've also never seen preferenceloader show an error message

[grim sparrow]

clang --version

[tacit spade]

wait

[grim sparrow]

do you, by any chance, have Xcode 11 installed

[tacit spade]

no

[grim sparrow]

what ios version is this from btw

[tacit spade]

i have no idea

[grim sparrow]

is it possible to ask

im guessing its from 13.7-

tl;dr clang 12/ios 14 the abi of arm64e changed, so arm64e binaries built with clang12+ won't work on 13-

[tacit spade]

dammit i forgot about that

[grim sparrow]

so you need to use clang11 when building

[tacit spade]

this is a fresh setup of theos

so that's probably it

[grim sparrow]

are you on an intel or arm mac

[tacit spade]

arm64

[grim sparrow]

https://github.com/RobotsAndPencils/XcodesApp/releases/tag/v1.3.0b10

use that to get xcode 11

[tacit spade]

wait the entire xcode?

[ocean raptor]

Yes

[tacit spade]

thought we were able to just share the toolchain by itself

[grim sparrow]

technically you can just download the toolchain but its sometimes unreliable

[tacit spade]

im a full time college student

i dont have time for reliable

if

ugh

english

[grim sparrow]

theres a link to the toolchain somewhere around here

[tacit spade]

what im trying to say is

[grim sparrow]

[tacit spade]

i dont get to make tweaks that often

[ocean raptor]

There's one on https://apt.procurs.us

Iirc

[grim sparrow]

yeah, for xcode 12.5

[tacit spade]

so i'll take whatever is the fastest way out of this issue

[grim sparrow]

which isn't helpful here

[ocean raptor]

Then why do we host it

[grim sparrow]

because sileo used it

but sileo no longer uses it

[tacit spade]

i take it that that issue doesnt apply to arm64 ios13

[ocean raptor]

So it's safe to delete?

[grim sparrow]

arm64 isn't effected at all

[tacit spade]

damn it

[grim sparrow]

[tacit spade]

so there is an issue

[grim sparrow]

you'll probably get some random bozo complain

but thats your choice to make

[tacit spade]

also does preferenceloader really show error messages now?

[grim sparrow]

it always has

well

Coolstar's doesn't

others do

[tacit spade]

i have NO memory of that EVER happening

like with the details

[grim sparrow]

im not sure what to work on tonight

[tacit spade]

isnt xcode 11 pre m1?

[grim sparrow]

rosetta 2 electric boogaloo

[tacit spade]

oh

yeah that makes sense

[grim sparrow]

I'm just used to having 3 versions of xcode now

[tacit spade]

which do i get

11?

and what do i do then

[ocean raptor]

Figure out how to get the rootless prefix at runtime

[grim sparrow]

save it to /Applications/Xcode11.app

and then just do

sudo xcode-select --switch /Applications/Xcode11.app

[tacit spade]

specific version?

last 11?

[grim sparrow]

11.7 is what I use

just because its the last

are you using XcodesApp?

[tacit spade]

yes

right?

[grim sparrow]

make sure to enable unxip in settings

and that you've signed into your apple id

[grim sparrow]

enable that

[tacit spade]

si

[grim sparrow]

and then use here to sign in

[tacit spade]

already did

does it let me change install name before

[grim sparrow]

by default it will install to /Applications/Xcode11_7.app I think

I don't think you can change it?

[tacit spade]

yes or no

[grim sparrow]

yes

[tacit spade]

brilliant

tysm btw

i'd forgotten all about the abi changes

@grim sparrow so teach me a thing: what's an abi, and why did it change

[grim sparrow]

application binary interface

arm64e isn't yet final so it was expected things would change

theres a good chance apple might pull this trick again in the near future

[tacit spade]

makes sense

[grim sparrow]

an abi is essentially a compiled api that tells the os, and more so the cpu, how to execute the binary

gross over simplification

[tacit spade]

so if it's built for a different version of the api, because those changes are "opaque", i guess, it freaks out

[grim sparrow]

Pretty much

if you try and run a bin with the new abi on 13.7- it fails because it doesn't know how to interpret it (again oversimplified)

[tacit spade]

cool, makes sense

ty

okay it's unarchiving

[grim sparrow]

man

it takes me about an hour to download xcode

😔

[tacit spade]

really??

im on my uni wifi

i thought it was slow compared to at home

[grim sparrow]

well yeah if I'm at college I can be done in 5-10 minutes

but at home its about an hour

[tacit spade]

ah

i mean we pay a lot for gigabit i wont lie

[grim sparrow]

I can't just take my desktop to college on a trolley though

[tacit spade]

lmao but i did

[grim sparrow]

I know someone who did

[tacit spade]

poor choice actually i think

but that's probably more due to room layout

i suspect i may use it more next year

[grim sparrow]

[tacit spade]

that speed

oh my god

[grim sparrow]

nothing else is using the network either

I killed the download because I cba

[tacit spade]

i have three ides open rn lol

[tacit spade]

oh i added a gesture to btt

ill record it

[grim sparrow]

over one year of doing nearly all of my development in a macos vm

[tacit spade]

it's pretty handy when you need a bit more screen space for just a little bit

[grim sparrow]

upgrading to 32gb of ram made my life so much better

[tacit spade]

also life pro tip

three finger trackpad click to middle click

if you use a macbook

set that up

like now

[grim sparrow]

I have a 2015 air

[tacit spade]

does it support multitouch

[grim sparrow]

yes

[tacit spade]

ofc it does

[grim sparrow]

however

[tacit spade]

set it up

[grim sparrow]

4gb of ddr3 and a dual core i5 clocked at 1.6ghz is not ideal for development on large projects

[tacit spade]

oh

i mean if youre using mouse and kb

then it doesnt matter

[grim sparrow]

Aemulo is around 7000 lines of code now

[tacit spade]

u have a middle click

[grim sparrow]

takes 3~ minutes to compile on my macbook

[tacit spade]

anyway check this out

[grim sparrow]

thats very cool

[tacit spade]

very useful for if you just need to like

have a bit more screen

im someone who prefers NOT hiding dock or taskbar

i'd rather see what's open at all times

[ocean raptor]

I want to get a framework laptop

[grim sparrow]

By the looks of it I will never own a macbook with a touchbar

[tacit spade]

so this is a non-zero-sum solution

dock still visible

[ocean raptor]

Cause my MacBook is provided by the school

[tacit spade]

screen space available

the btt dock widget is not like super high quality so i wont use it as default or anything

but its nice to be like

i need just a bit more

[ocean raptor]

And they just threatened to take it away if you have games, illegally obtained copyrighted material, or torrenting apps on it

[grim sparrow]

@ocean raptor do you know how /dev is mounted on ios 15

[ocean raptor]

[tacit spade]

literally such a good gesture tho, and i tested it with every haptic option and light then strong works best

[grim sparrow]

inb4 apple moved to /var/proc

[tacit spade]

still unarchiving

oh

[tepid olive]

good lmao

[tacit spade]

@grim sparrow i have an app recommendation for macos with a trackpad

[tepid olive]

it sucks so bad

can’t wait to get rid of it

[grim sparrow]

I dislike touchbar for numerous reasons

[tacit spade]

i love the touch bar but i was never one for function keys

and admittedly i keep them at the ready (if i hold fn it shows them)

[grim sparrow]

the amount of times i accidentally triggered presses on it was insane

and it was slower

than just

[tepid olive]

you get used to it

[grim sparrow]

a fucking

button

[tepid olive]

but it’s slower

it’s like assistivetouch it’s always slower

[tacit spade]

there are a few things that are just like

better

on the touch bar

and a few things that just suck

[tepid olive]

which things

[tacit spade]

beyond that it's just kinda meh

[grim sparrow]

You can play doom on it

[pearl sail]

I never really use my touchbar

[tepid olive]

it’s a waste of space

[grim sparrow]

also money

[tacit spade]

better: adjusting volume with the slider is so nice

[tepid olive]

first world problems

[tacit spade]

i can just flick my finger to mute

its wonderful

[grim sparrow]

I can do that on my macbook without a touchbar??

theres literally a normal button that mutes it

thats always there

[gentle grove]

cant you just press the mute button, that's what i do with my touch bar

[grim sparrow]

and works instantly

[tepid olive]

touch bar is 100% useless

[gentle grove]

volume adjustment is nice though

[tacit spade]

single button to control everything, but that's just my stylistic and organizational preferences

[gentle grove]

weirdo

[tacit spade]

no it has its uses

[tepid olive]

which uses

[tacit spade]

its not 100% useless and that's kind of what makes it bad

[tepid olive]

except things like volume

and brightness

[tacit spade]

if it were completely useless it wouldn't have ever shipped

[gentle grove]

i liked the touch bar until my esc key disappeared one day forcing me to reboot to get it back

[tacit spade]

i have physical esc, i may be biased

[gentle grove]

couldnt use vim

[tepid olive]

i have the good touch bar with the real esc

[gentle grove]

ok

[grim sparrow]

not sure if being able to slide my brightness and volume on a screen is worth that much more than just physical buttons

[tepid olive]

^ that

[gentle grove]

how does the esc key even disappear anyways, i dont understand how it happened tbh

[grim sparrow]

like

[tacit spade]

the typing suggestions are nice and familiar

[grim sparrow]

I would literally never use those though

[gentle grove]

i have those turned off

[tacit spade]

i use them constantly but thats just me

[tepid olive]

learn grammar

[tacit spade]

i know grammar

[gentle grove]

autocorrect and text suggestsions off

[gentle grove]

you mean spelling

cant even do grammar with that

[grim sparrow]

If you're touch typing why would you want to constantly be looking down at the touchbar to see if it guessed the word you're typing

[tacit spade]

thats why i find autocorrect so helpful -- i give it easy things to fix, like typos

[gentle grove]

true

[tepid olive]

yes that

[gentle grove]

for me it's faster to just type the word than to use the suggestions (if i even had them)

[grim sparrow]

Maybe I'm just too used to a 60% keyboard where everything is very compact

[tacit spade]

i've always been pretty good at spelling so autocorrect has always been helpful. it's a tool meant to correct typos, not spelling

it also helps to see what it's going to do next

i will admit that the typing suggestions are painfully out of sync on the touch bar

it takes 500ms or so to update and if you just type at a normal speed it's completely useless

[grim sparrow]

if you're wpm is in the 100+ I don't see how it could be faster to be constantly waiting for the touchbar to update to see if it guessed the right thing

[tacit spade]

but if i'm writing a paper? invaluable

the now playing "widget" is nice

[gentle grove]

50+

[tacit spade]

preview's touch bar controls are fantastic

[gentle grove]

i use a color wheel

HA

[tacit spade]

hey so did i but again

especially in class

[gentle grove]

actrually wait

no i dont

[tacit spade]

its nice to just change the hue

[gentle grove]

i use a HSV selector in gimp

[tacit spade]

when annotating my etextbook

[gentle grove]

iodk if gimp has touch bar support

[tacit spade]

but im getting an ipad soon so it's about to stop being relevant...

[grim sparrow]

I really want to get a new macbook but rn I do not have the financial stability for that

[tacit spade]

i guess, like, if you think of the touch bar as a status bar/toolbar that doubles as function keys

it makes sense

at least where they were coming from

but the design and animations are admittedly lackluster and inconsistent

[pearl sail]

what is the point of even defending the touchbar. It clearly was a useless feature since they removed it in 5 years.

[grim sparrow]

the jony ive macbook era was so fucked

2016 - Early 2021

[tacit spade]

idk i use it constantly. i just dont think people should hate on something just because it's a meme to hate it

[pearl sail]

It is not a meme if the company that invented it thought it was useless and removed it completely

Hell I have the damn thing myself and don't even use it myself.

[tacit spade]

i think the touch bar heavily suffers from software problems

[grim sparrow]

the touchbar suffers from existence honestly

[pearl sail]

Removing physical buttons from a keyboard layout was a stupid idea and Apple admitted it in the end

[grim sparrow]

one day some designer woke up and thought, lets just remove a useful row of the keyboard and make it a touchscreen instead

im sure this cant go wrong at all

[pearl sail]

If they felt it was a such a good idea they would have let it trickle down to the magic keyboard, but they legitimately just killed it.

[grim sparrow]

how would you change the brightness/volume when its like this though

[tacit spade]

that's a popup

[grim sparrow]

so you would have to close the popup

and then press the button

so you're quick finger tap goes to two finger taps, as opposed to just one tap on the physical mute switch

[tacit spade]

that is a software problem no?

[grim sparrow]

its not really a problem, more design

[tacit spade]

it doesn't suffer from design it suffers from implementation

[grim sparrow]

if it didn't have popups like that it would literally be useless

[pearl sail]

how would they make the implementation better

[grim sparrow]

it would literally just be the fn row but digital and slow

[tacit spade]

constant overlay for the control strip

[grim sparrow]

the popups were the selling point

but those popups block the things that are normally there on the keyboard

such as volume, brightness buttons

[tacit spade]

well let me be clear

by popup i mean a modal popover

so usually the control strip is visible

plus it can expand

[grim sparrow]

I just don't see why making that row digital is better

and even the makers admit that

[tacit spade]

but that expand animation is like... horrible. worst attempt at interpolation ive ever seen

the touch bar imo just doesnt do enough

if it did more it would probably justify the tradeoffs

[grim sparrow]

what I don't get is how they didn't fix the butterfly keyboard issue between 2016 - late 2019

[tacit spade]

it just doesn't look good. and it doesnt look like keyboard keys which is clearly what they were going for

[grim sparrow]

that looks awful

[tacit spade]

it takes one button press to go from "looks pretty alright" to "toyota entune"

like look

decent

the fade at the end looks really good on the physical touch bar

[grim sparrow]

that just feels like its trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist though

the emoji popup was and still is fine

[tacit spade]

i mean i still think we're a long way from where emoji selection ui's are actually intuitive

but i dont have an alternative so

nobody complains about the animations though, it makes me wonder if when they changed it to sf symbols, the animations broke

[somber kettle]

is there a gui tool to visualize virtual memory of a process with colored sections? vmmap is the cli tool.

[tacit spade]

@grim sparrow still going

should i be

concerned

[grim sparrow]

quite possibly

I wonder if unxip doesn't support the old format

check cpu usage

[tacit spade]

@grim sparrow should be more or less

[grim sparrow]

you might need to disable the unxip experiment and restart the app

[somber kettle]

you can also get a verbose output in the console and see the progress of the download

i guess that's if you're downloading through app store

[ocean raptor]

I want to get a framework laptop but

BSD's wireless support is pitiful

So I would have to use Linux to get >20Mb/s

And use the fsa secure browser which is needed for some finals and stuff

[pearl sail]

[ocean raptor]

Does honorlock work on Linux?

[pearl sail]

i don't use linux

but google is your friend

[ocean raptor]

[tacit spade]

@grim sparrow it installed

now what

[grim sparrow]

whenever you need to build a final release just run sudo xcode-select --switch /Applications/Xcode11_7.app or whatever path

just make sure to change it back to x13 when ur done

[primal perch]

sadball

[pearl sail]

[tepid olive]

this is stupid because it scrolls awfully

[faint lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/893927294828163082.png

[tepid olive]

@pearl sail fuck you

[vivid dew]

:trollbaby:

[primal perch]

how do i use swift without getting cancer

any tips

[grim sparrow]

it just works™️

[lime pivot]

this popup is the worst

there's a handy shortcut now, you just tap the fn/globe key

it focuses immediately in the search box, ok, good

aaaand there's no shortcut to actually select the emoji once you've found it

[ocean raptor]

@lime pivot 🥺

[lime pivot]

oop yeah

I kinda broke my secret global analytics page lol

and when I say I, I mean tale broke it

let me see

[ocean raptor]

Thanks

@grave sparrow wanna hear something funny

You're gonna have to recompile everything

[pearl sail]

[restive ether]

you’re right that is funny

[lime pivot]

what did you break

[ocean raptor]

Not at all, I made everything better

[lime pivot]

what did you make better

[ocean raptor]

I added getpw* and getgr* funcs to libiosexec

So you can add users, change passwords, and change default shell on rootless

[rain falcon]

@primal perch bro

[zenith hatch]

gm jynx

[rain falcon]

go

bro

[gentle grove]

alternative option: 37 copies of minecraft

[primal perch]

true

[zenith hatch]

i chose minecraft

[somber kettle]

...
stat(_dyld_get_image_name(i), &sb)
const mach_header_64* header = (mach_header_64*)_dyld_get_image_header(i);
size_t sz = sb.st_size - sizeof(header);

is there an alternative way to get total bytes of an dylib image? starting from the base (no header) w/o using sys/stat api

my goal is to scan meaningful bytes so i don't waste compute time scanning from header as what i'm looking for is not in the header.

it would be nice to skip scanning other sections/segments too

[lime pivot]

it me

[silver rampart]

https://github.com/cxnder/ktool/releases/tag/1.1.0

[primal perch]

cums and dies

[primal perch]

jedi be like

[silver rampart]

2 trillion dollar company

[signal sedge]

[silver rampart]

https://github.com/cxnder/ktool/releases/tag/1.1.1 dab

[glacial matrix]

noice

why pylint and not mypy?

[silver rampart]

I dont actually use a linter at the moment

[glacial matrix]

;_;

[silver rampart]

aside from PyCharm's "yells-at-you-for-bad-formatting-but-you-can-ignore-it"

[glacial matrix]

isort+black+flake8+mypy takes a bit of setup but is very nice to have

probably more justified for multiple people working on the same project

[silver rampart]

eventually i will, seeing the light after we swapped ipwndfu to poetry; ported ktool to it as well

(but i have to keep it compatible with setuptools with a legacy setup.py file sticking around, and have to avoid certain dependencies, bc Best iOS Toolchain cant handle building packaging or poetry

[glacial matrix]

I can help with that, I think

[silver rampart]

Apparently there was an issue with packaging depending on build which depends on packaging

or, packaging depends on build to be built, which depends on packaging

and they refuse to install a wheel or invoke pip on procursus

so instead I have to very hackily use the version of packaging that's vendored inside setuptools, which is just dirty

;_;

[river hamlet]

Is it worth creating another package manager for iOS like Cydia or sileo? But not using dpkg/apt. I’m trying to make a cross platform solution including windows.

[glacial matrix]

Just use WSL

[river hamlet]

GUI apps too, WSL is a vm

[glacial matrix]

Ncurses then

[river hamlet]

Discord tui

[glacial matrix]

As if IRC wasn’t a thing already, for some 30 years

[river hamlet]

People still use IRC?

[glacial matrix]

I mean Discord is not that different to IRC in terms of chat functionality so programs like irssi could work for discord

[untold river]

you're gonna be dealing with wildly different filesystem hierarchies if you're gonna support windows too lol

[river hamlet]

Solved

[river hamlet]

https://github.com/m1ten/neopkg

it's still WIP, doesn't work and I couldn't decided on so many things

[river hamlet]

https://github.com/theos/theos/wiki is now https://theos.dev/docs/
https://kodeycodesstuff.tech/guide is now https://kodey.dev/guide

[ocean raptor]

Of course not. Anything not using dpkg/apt will not work on iOS, also windows uses winpkg or chocolatey, which are both fine

[ocean raptor]

Rust though

[ocean raptor]

I used to use a discord plugin for my irc client

Weechat

[silver rampart]

"will not work"

in the context of 'creating another package manager that doesn't use apt', if you're creating a thing to work without a certain component, wouldn't it follow that it'd work without that component

[glacial matrix]

Yeah…

[untold river]

libalpm on iOS

[ocean raptor]

Well is he planning on creating his own bootstrap too? That's a lot it work

[ocean raptor]

https://github.com/CRKatri/BBS

[faint lion]

makepkg

A library-based package manager with dependency support

Author

Hayden Seay

Version

6.0.0

Price

Free

Repo

Procursus

Bundle ID

pacman

Powered by Canister · Mar 5, 2022, 2:24 PM

[river hamlet]

both of which are really slow

[ocean raptor]

I have yet to find a better package manager tbh

pkgng is nice but not great

pacman is too tightly coupled with makepkg imo

[river hamlet]

I have a working bootstrap in C++ but it's more of a template

[zenith hatch]

gm

[river hamlet]

gm

[silver rampart]

why dont we just make our own package manager

[ocean raptor]

[silver rampart]

with blackjack, and hookers

[ocean raptor]

What a great idea, look how well that turned out for brew

[silver rampart]

ah yes, terrible idea bc one person implemented it poorly

great point

[river hamlet]

yes

the only pro of brew (I can think of) is number of packages

why does it clone the whole repo of ruby scripts on first run and updates?

[silver rampart]

we should totally give up on improving the ancient and painful system we hacked into working over 12 years ago on a system it wasnt made for bc a different reimplementation on a different OS was bad

[silver rampart]

bc ruby devs are insane

off the rails if you will

[river hamlet]

You can't even install any of them without internet, so why not just clone when you need it i.e. brew install discord --cask

[untold river]

i have no idea but i hate it

i dont think homebrew even does --depth 1 clones when instlaling

urgh

[river hamlet]

that's where I got the idea to make my own package manager

first it was just going to be a brew wrapper but turned into python scripts, now it's yaml manifests

[silver rampart]

based

[untold river]

but from what i've seen any package manager that depends on Git for versioning and updates suffer from the Git issue

scoop has homebrew's issues too

just on a smaller scale

[river hamlet]

technically anything works that can be serialized/deserialized into a struct, including yaml, json, toml, xml, ini, even python or lua

[untold river]

also i guess scoop doesnt auto update by default so it feels ever so slightly bearable

[river hamlet]

language -> struct Package, if you can parse that and serialize it, any language works

[untold river]

true but what im saying is

if you depend on Git for updates

it will be slow eventually

[river hamlet]

oh I was talking about something else

[untold river]

yeah i get it

i was just ranting about homebrew/scoop

[ocean raptor]

Fair, write a good package manager please, I would love to convert procursus to it

[river hamlet]

scoop doesn't have auto updates?

[untold river]

it does but not every damn run

i think it's 3 hours since last update

[river hamlet]

probably manual that's why

[untold river]

then auto update

it auto updates if it hasnt been updated for 3 hours

otherwise it doesnt

[silver rampart]

i've done a writeup on the platform restructure and how it would work already

[untold river]

good compromise compared to Fucking Homebrew

[silver rampart]

just no time

[river hamlet]

wait so if 1.0.0 releases and 1.0.1 releases 20 minutes later. scoop won't update?

[untold river]

yeah?

[river hamlet]

you are stuck with a buggy release (probably yanked) for 3 hours

[untold river]

just run scoop update * if you need to do it manually

[river hamlet]

oh ok

auto updates is 3 hours apart, makes sense

I am planning to add homebrew, PKGBUILD (makepkg), winget, chocolatey support to my package manager as a wrapper because it's difficult to port every package

[untold river]

[river hamlet]

I mean if you are on windows, there won't be homebrew or pacman support. it's platform dependent

[restive ether]

why don’t you build some hoes

[river hamlet]

tbh I just want something consistent

[ocean raptor]

PackageKit

https://www.freedesktop.org/software/PackageKit/

Just write some backends for that

[river hamlet]

isn't it linux only?

[ocean raptor]

So is apt

Kirb ported it a couple days ago

[river hamlet]

I mean posix

[ocean raptor]

macOS is posix certified

[river hamlet]

apt on windows is bad

[ocean raptor]

Then write a winpkg backend for PackageKit

[river hamlet]

winget is slow

[ocean raptor]

Then write a chocolatey backend for PackageKit

[river hamlet]

that's also slow

[ocean raptor]

Well those are the only two windows package managers I know

PackageKit is not a package manager btw, it just provides a common interface to multiple different package managers

Rpm, apt, etc

[river hamlet]

the goal isn't to create a "wrapper," it's just a feature. The goal is to create a new package manager with custom back-end that is...

• cross platform (posix and windows)
• fast

[ocean raptor]

Tbh I could not care less about what you do

[untold river]

oh well you can only be as fast as unzipping

unless you wanna throw in zstd support in there or something

[restive ether]

just have hardware accelerated unzipping ez

[river hamlet]

I feel like winget sleeps every 10 seconds, I tried manually install apps and it was faster than winget lol

[untold river]

make up a repository format for windows packages i guess

you'd also need to store packages somehow

[restive ether]

Release.xip

[untold river]

if you dont wanna deal with the headache of delisted versions

[river hamlet]

xip sure

there is licensing issue

[untold river]

msys2 getting delisted from scoop because scoop cant do zstd

[restive ether]

man

[river hamlet]

Ig licensing issue could be avoided if you don't store packages and it's pulled directly from their website on install

[untold river]

then you're dealing with old versions becoming delisted

or even worse, places that give you latest.zip no matter the version

[river hamlet]

I mean what else could you do?

have some packages with direct link and some locally stored?

or just ask for permission from the company to allow distribution

[misty cradle]

ok nerds

[river hamlet]

https://dl.discordapp.net/apps/linux/<version>/discord-<version>.tar.gz some keep a archive

[misty cradle]

[misty cradle]

Keep rb instead

[river hamlet]

ruby? or read binary

[high citrus]

is it just me or did they break all bluetooth api's in macos monterey

ExternalAccessory was already broken on Big Sur and still is on Monterey (returns 0 connected devices, even with the protocols defined in info.plist, same code works fine on iOS). And IOBluetooth broke since Monterey (IOBluetoothRFCOMMChannelDelegate doesn't get called anymore when it needs to receive data)

[misty cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-balls-dancing-gif-15764412

[river hamlet]

[primal perch]

true

[wicked summit]

gm

[pearl sail]

@gritty crystal MAGA

[gritty crystal]

.

f

[pearl sail]

I'm deader than @gritty crystal

I just blame Cameron for it and move on

.

[restive ether]

gettext just fights the powers at be

[ocean raptor]

It built perfectly fine for me this morning

[tepid olive]

nfr

[ocean raptor]

I haven't built a full bootstrap yet cause I still haven't tested getpw* and getgr* stuff on iOS, only macOS

[primal perch]

[pearl sail]

[ocean raptor]

@grave sparrow Here's updated libiosexec and some other rootless fixes, not committed yet since it breaks non-rootless