development

[granite frigate]

gg

[tardy narwhal]

remember jerry also made it into the league

i believe in you

[tepid olive]

Mac mini m1

Ive got like 400 in debts i have to pay then 700 dollar mac mini

pog

i'd get a mba for 200 more and education price @tepid olive

unless you aren't gonna use it daily

I dont need an mba

kk

true

@tepid olive if you have a good monitor it's nice

but i don't so

I have a monitor

this is gonna be so cool

I dont even need the display this is exclusively procursus work

o

An extra 8gb of ram for 180 dollars?

this should give it good attention

What a scam!

cpu based ram is more expensive ig

iirc microsoft is even worse

Im gonna have to get it

like 300 for 256gb

not sure tho

Im gonna cheap on storage because i cant do inbuilt for an extra 1 dollar a gb

Insane

true

[burnt niche]

@edgy cape https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/parrot/misc/openbooks/programming/ReverseEngineeringForBeginners.en.pdf

[tepid olive]

surface pro x starting at 128gb for 1200$

[burnt niche]

That book is used in universities. Assumes you have basic C knowledge

[tepid olive]

mba :vibeok

macbook air is a better deal by miles

tbf it's 899 for basically everyone lmao

apple won't check ur edu status

U need an edu email right

i just count it as 899

uhh doubt it

I dont remember how i got edu

i'm not in college but i got the airpods & 150 off

Pretty sure i had to do more than that

well i'll be using it for college

apple store

I had to fill in college i go to then they look into the records to see if my name is on some enrollment list

not in canada

apple store just gave me the discount

lmao

they asked me if i wanted it, i said yes, done

[half walrus]

im still on the enrollment list(maybe?) for my college and i've been out for long over a year

Still get adobe discount, signed up 1+ year out

@tepid olive showerthought: procursus for iSH

[tepid olive]

true

[tepid olive]

why

stock iOS

[half walrus]

so it works

[gentle grove]

how do i install other terminfos on my phone

[tepid olive]

ish is an emulator

arm32 iSH would be cooler tbf

[half walrus]

i'm @ work rn so on the arm laptop & cant ssh to house pc bc no internet so i'm looking for something to do

[tepid olive]

and maybe faster?

[half walrus]

it's emulated so i mean how much faster

[tepid olive]

idk

but they'd have to rewrite the JIT in arm asm

[half walrus]

(although if apple's chips are up to armv8 spec they have arm32 specific virtualization instructions

[half walrus]

they've told me they're open to that kind of thing if someone were to write it

[tardy narwhal]

aren’t they armv8 compliant with slight derivation

[half walrus]

although i kind of took that more as "like that'll happen" kinda thing

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

i vaguely remember an arm32 emulation related thing somewhere from the bootchain

like

i cant remember where i saw it is the thing

its killing me

like it was in a list of boot args except (?)

[tardy narwhal]

well watchos has a 64_32 mode iirc which confirms the spec compliancy from what I understand

[half walrus]

watchos S4 and up are 64_32

which is arm64 with a 32 bit address space

[tardy narwhal]

yeet

[half walrus]

so idk what that means but its not armv7

haven't looked into it nor do i intend to

[tardy narwhal]

but why wouldn’t apple’s chips be armv8 compliant though, that’s kinda questionable

[half walrus]

all i know is apple chips 'should' have support for the instructions, however the OS obviously doesn't support running armv7 apps

so like, the chip "can" run stuff in an armv7 emulation mode, however apple hasn't written the support for that in the same way macos 10.15 dropped support for running things in an x86 32 emulation mode

[tepid olive]

i think using armv8 would be dumb because performance but idk

[half walrus]

this is just from my own surface level "looked into it" research on the arm spec

[tardy narwhal]

you good althio lmao

[half walrus]

and @plain python is the only person I know of who's looked into armv7 on arm64

[half walrus]

iSH is on the app store bc its an emulator and i feel like emulating arm64 on device would be, less "palatable" for apple i guess

if it'd let you run device binaries in the app that'd be more problematic for apple

[lethal ice]

gm

armv7 on arm64

[half walrus]

1 interesting thing is how poorly ssh-keygen runs in iSH w/o special args, so i do wonder if certain libraries in the emulator could be worked out in a way that like

[lethal ice]

go ahead and write an armv7 interpreter with thumb support

[half walrus]

gets offloaded to the device libraries instead of emulated ones

[tepid olive]

iSH is rly weird

[gentle grove]

what

[tepid olive]

the provided packages are so different

like git is verbose somehow

[half walrus]

https://github.com/ish-app/ish/issues/41

[gentle grove]

verbose git???

[tepid olive]

idk

instead of like 20 lines of output max

[gentle grove]

i wanan sese

[half walrus]

i mean its emulated i586 alpine linux purely emulated

[tepid olive]

it makes a shitton

of output

[half walrus]

so its no surprise that at certain levels it really slows down

and ofc packages are gonna be different

thats why i mentioned a potential procursus for ish

[gentle grove]

procursus on the aur

[half walrus]

since procursus is the best "standard distribution of packages" for iOS we have right now outside of hacking apple's build server

and apple's build server is still far behind procursus lol

[tepid olive]

can't even use JIT because it would require get-task-allow, even in TestFlight that's a no go

yea well wouldn't it require a thicc rewrite for linux and i586

like the distribution certificate/provisioning profile doesn't allow it, so no chance for it to even slip through

[half walrus]

probably not much of one at all

[tepid olive]

:how:

[gentle grove]

how do i

[half walrus]

gonna try and get the testflight beta again bc the fuckin app store build has no dark mode

or apk

[tepid olive]

what???

[gentle grove]

my c program is going well

[tepid olive]

I thought the App Store version has apk now?

settings has dark mode

[tepid olive]

it does

[half walrus]

it does?

[tepid olive]

you need to download it

[half walrus]

@ apk

oh

[tepid olive]

see instructions

on github wiki

[misty cradle]

@tepid olive btc at 31k now

[half walrus]

yeah i'm assuming its never gonna get shipped

[misty cradle]

[tepid olive]

lmaooo

[misty cradle]

Need it to go lower so I can buy more

[half walrus]

btc bubble go zoom

31k is still absurd

[tepid olive]

1.1
Dec 9, 2020
New stuff:

• apk has been added. You can use it install Alpine packages! If you're updating from an earlier version, you'll need to manually activate it it: https://go.ish.app/get-apk

Fixed bugs:

• Unable to cd to /proc/pid/fd in the shell

[half walrus]

ffs

[misty cradle]

If it’s projected to go down more

Then I might sell now

And buy again at 25k

[half walrus]

there is no projection with bitcoin

there is no "sense"

doesn't play by stock market rules

no safety switch

no end-of-trading-day/week pause

fuck that

[tardy narwhal]

well, trading isn’t for the faint of heart

[half walrus]

regular stock trading is tho

btc ain't as bad as options but

not my kinda gamble ig

but i'm a broke mf

so

[tepid olive]

do it

lmao

too risky rn

[half walrus]

damnit

[tardy narwhal]

meh investment is fun or being invested in but overall just running ops is easier

[half walrus]

cant download anything from app store

[tepid olive]

:how:

[tardy narwhal]

less overhead and less troubles

[half walrus]

lets see if sideloading works on an arm laptop now

might get to yell at saurik

@ mass1ve, is there a reason many windows .exes ship dlls instead of bundling all of the code in the .exe?

always wondered why that's a thing

[tardy narwhal]

well depends imo, it’s common on windows or rather ”good” practice to abstract out code which gets used frequently and make it a lib versus jamming them into one fat binary.
Allows for nicer interop such as license checking, game launchers, dll hell et al.

the crt loads what you need anyway so it’s basically the same as having it inside the exe resting

[half walrus]

interesting

bc i know on ios app store apps (i think?) seem to cram all of the frameworks into the binary

seeing as 'crackers' have to extract them all to disk

[tardy narwhal]

ah I see your questions’ root now. The thing is each application on windows is wayy too unique in a good chunk of the cases apart from using winapis for the graphics. People just follow the tradition and make libs to call into versus on iOS where basic functionality is almost always there and you have to play by the rules apple gives u with their frameworks, except for payment gateway stuff or other goodies but then again, that would bring us back to why windows programs also do it

windows doesn’t enforce that hard of a style

[half walrus]

ahh yeah

[tepid olive]

Any m1 boys here?

[grim sparrow]

capt or quiprr

[tardy narwhal]

you can still rock a win xp looking ass app on win10 lmao, the clang frontend from IBM (iirc) is a good example of it

[half walrus]

kind of wish they did bc apple's "container" style apps are so, very convenient

(and we should be using that for tweak packages)

[tepid olive]

@grave sparrow @surreal mountain is ram management any better on your m1 macs than on intel

[tardy narwhal]

lmao welcome to windows

wait until you get to the dll hell part

that’s the best

[half walrus]

lord i may be putting that project on hold lmfao

on "the backlog"

I've gone through 6gb of data on my poor iphone hotspot in the past 3 days

wish WSL would work on this laptop bc i'm stuck with the cygwin environment + git bash gui rn

[tardy narwhal]

ye i feel you, i hate using my device to hotspot

oddly enough our network broke down a day after your tweet so I have been hotspotting until today as well

it did not do my contract well lmao

[half walrus]

bless you sam bingner

tetherme coming in so clutch

[restive ether]

i still think it’s weird no one else has really tried to compete with tetherme

[tardy narwhal]

well there is coolstar’s thing

[half walrus]

that was pure spite

[restive ether]

that got nuked right away

[half walrus]

and yeah that as well lol

[tardy narwhal]

oh gg

[half walrus]

but rightfully so

[restive ether]

carrier crack i think does, but the rest of that tweak is lowkey a scam so

[half walrus]

it wasn't intended to be a "researched" project, just a RE of tetherme and recreation

which, if ur gonna compete with any paid, currently existing tool, do the actual research yourself pls

I don't think anyone else aside from myself, bingner, and levin ofc (that i know of) have done any research into pfd and similar low level ios networking internals, which is required for a lot of how tetherme works

however i'd really like to see someone put the work into an OSS tetherme alternative simply for the really really good research on those internals that'd come out of it

had to RE tetherme extensively for some earlier stuff so i'm counting myself out on that one :p

[half walrus]

& this is probably why #development message

stuff @ that level is balls

[gaunt mesa]

oh shoot

[half walrus]

and the people capable probably don't have interest in competing w/ it

[gaunt mesa]

an actual conversation is happening

[half walrus]

yeah i got sleep

am sad that apple, despite trying to pioneer arm desktop machines, hasn't put out an arm64 itunes build / arm64 apple mobile device driver

cant even plug my phone into my laptop w/ usb A, has to be C

[gaunt mesa]

well i doubt apple really cares

[half walrus]

meanwhile MS team are the ones porting java to M1 native

!woeis

big respect to microsoft for what looks like actually trying to make arm windows happen

[tepid olive]

So on my current mac ram usage is usually at 10gb

I presume your reg mac was similar

Whats your new one at

[half walrus]

@narrow mason sigh

[grim sparrow]

lol

[half walrus]

when you tell someone to keep your code open source and they dont keep your code open source so you ask the maintainer to make your code open source and they make it open source

oh they're in this channel lol

[restive ether]

lol what a loser

imagine hating a place so much you keep your alt around to wait for someone to say something you don’t like

[half walrus]

not even worth my time commenting on that

idek what that comment was directed at

[lethal kayak]

cant imagine spending my time like that

also gm

[restive ether]

wasn’t even bug free when he sent it

[half walrus]

can confirm

wrote it

only bug free thing i have written is chapters

[tardy narwhal]

@remote flax hello llama is this u

[restive ether]

loss

not him

[tardy narwhal]

oh rip

[restive ether]

i could probably find him if i dedicated like

10 minutes of research

but it’s not worth my time

[half walrus]

man dont waste that time

[restive ether]

i know he’s had an alt here since he got banned

which i didn’t care

[half walrus]

woeis

[restive ether]

but the fact he actively waits to get mad about comments is hilarious

[half walrus]

i didn't even bother with having an alt here

[lethal kayak]

i always wonder if some of the new active people are alts from banned people

[half walrus]

and i dm'ed aaron when i came back as krit

[restive ether]

if they are they got me fooled

[half walrus]

not about that shit

imagine ban evading

[restive ether]

i mean

one dude has 80+ times

[lethal kayak]

true

[half walrus]

that's depressing

[lethal kayak]

are you talking about ultraman or matthew

or someone else

[restive ether]

he doesn’t even try

he uses the same name

[half walrus]

like after 6 times its not even funny

[lethal kayak]

lmao

[restive ether]

which imo is even weirder

[half walrus]

like ur entire life revolves around just

[restive ether]

like why would you do that

[half walrus]

getting banned repeatedly

[restive ether]

at least matthew tries to actually make new names and hide

[half walrus]

from a random ass discord

[restive ether]

this dude literally goes out of his way to get banned

[lethal kayak]

it's actually so easy to ban evade in theory

[half walrus]

smart people dont get banned

[lethal kayak]

true

[half walrus]

unless its pixelomer

sadcat

[grim sparrow]

lol

[half walrus]

ok but wait

llama msged at 2 am

i was asleep from 5pm yesterday to 6am today

nani

[grim sparrow]

[tardy narwhal]

that’s hella honest though

[half walrus]

i'm guessing gcwhatever just asked him who llama was lol

ooooops

[restive ether]

llama if you’re reading this

take the L

[half walrus]

possibly not tbh

wait

probably so i don't say retarded outside of calling myself retarded

or my code

which i will take criticism on from literally any other person on the planet

hi @tepid olive

no i don't stalk ppl who follow me on twitter

ur pfp intrigued me

god this is just such a hilarious

microcosm of my interactions with this guy

[grim sparrow]

lmao

[surreal mountain]

who ping

[half walrus]

i wouldn't have seen this had he not sent the jan 1 msg

[surreal mountain]

eh

[half walrus]

my message requests are spammed to absolute shit

[surreal mountain]

i have an 8gb and it has been smooth as can be

[half walrus]

idk how to un-accept a twitter msg request

pls

[tepid olive]

block and unblock

or report the conversation

the latter also deletes the DM though

well, block and unblock will make it go to requests again if you have DMs open

reporting it prevents them from messaging you again even if you have them open (until you message them first)

[half walrus]

shit

i love how much information this screenshot potentially leaks i'm leaving it up

[tepid olive]

hmm, digitalocean

[half walrus]

that's not an affiliate link

wait theres no rule against that 1 sec

[tepid olive]

I prefer Hetzner Cloud, higher traffic limits

I also have a dedicated server from them

without VAT

[half walrus]

https://m.do.co/c/7ecf8723b5cf $100 in free digitalocean credit (and if u spend $25 later i get $25 <3)

the $100 is like straight up no strings attached tho, iirc it just limits the size of server you can buy w/o spending first

digitaloceans pricing model is use first pay at end of month, and usage is charged by the minute, not flat-fee, so you can shut down a droplet and pay only for what you used

and they have US servers in various places

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

or i'd use hetzner lol

[tepid olive]

I'm not American so

[restive ether]

the duality of man

[half walrus]

ikr

specifically him

like "oh hey he might be better now!"

8 days later

[tepid olive]

even then, Hetzner peering to Telekom (Hungary) seems shitty, but oh well

[half walrus]

kek nvm

digitalocean was amazing for tf2 competitive

[tepid olive]

when a download/upload is particularly slow I just connect to a TorGuard Sweden proxy and it boosts my speeds

[half walrus]

people would always let our team host

cuz we could just ask their players where the best location was and i'd spin up a server between their best location and ours (chicago)

and our maincaller lived in chicago at the time so he'd have 5 ping and it was great lol

[tepid olive]

I'm straight up running a (private) proxy and DigitalOcean charged me like $15 for traffic overage so I moved the VM to Hetzner lol

[half walrus]

mood

i need to clean mine out

i have too many

do u develop

build server

vscode remote

proxy

vpn

homepage for urself bc everyone has one now

[tepid olive]

I use mine for a bunch of things

https://iconthemer.app/, Telegram/Discord bots, etc.

[half walrus]

dragon r c b i

remote builds

just as an example lol

i have a mac server i use for building llvm

so its not destroying my local machine every time

• so it doesn't fuck up my own machine's filesystem

set up theos + bingners llvm toolchain on an ubuntu droplet & screw around

u can also VNC in and have linux on ur phone

is it good

i didn't know those were out

oh shit it is

$149

i need

https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-community-edition-kde-plasma-mobile-with-convergence-package-limited-edition-linux-smartphone/?v=0446c16e2e66

man imagine though

iphone 12 body but linux phone

or even iphone X

[restive ether]

too bad all those linux phones suck

maybe in like 5 years

[half walrus]

yeah i think it says that on their site even

[restive ether]

especially with pine phones

[restive ether]

i’ve heard of how inconsistent their build quality is

[half walrus]

it functions and its to create a market ig

i'm assuming this was a kickstarter

[restive ether]

and how many people are getting phones that die completely within a day

[half walrus]

like good ol lenovo

same experience lol

the fucking logo on the hinge on this laptop isn't level

need to scrape it off

their normal line is top tier

but they like to experiment too and it's nice

which yoga

720 lineup is amazing

c630 wos is,

it was ahead of its time

hopefully the 5G will be better

we will see

still need to get my 720 15ikb from my ex

woeis

did the laptop break itself or

sounds like a macbook lol

had a kid drop a grill on my 720 junior year in hs

whole ass grill

lid still has a dent, went 2 years without getting the screen replaced

yeah

same kid that snitched on me regarding stealing the admin credentials for the district

why are we on good terms

if ur not tuned into drama specific to only this server ur gonna have absolutely no idea

and i even forget most of the specifics

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

u know who 'calico' is?

like aside from 'me', were you around for that whole situation?

[tepid olive]

falcon is the former central dev that left the community due to backlash of something i forgot about

[half walrus]

@restive ether would you like to tell the tale

i've got nothin to do rn waiting on some backups to finish but idk if i deserve the honor

[restive ether]

former central dev

lmao

like he ever did a damn thing

[half walrus]

i'm the former central dev

he didn't write a line of code

i even typed the command to build it for him

i'm not making that up

[restive ether]

central was shadow deved hard because llama played guilt trip

[half walrus]

not a guilt trip

same reason i kept working on velox

i like writing code lol

[restive ether]

too bad, because you already know who that is

true

[half walrus]

gimme fun code to write or work on or rewrite and i'll do it regardless of whether its a good idea lmao

[restive ether]

calico cat, good times

[half walrus]

[restive ether]

i got to test page bar

[half walrus]

i

need that old codebase man

i wonder if its on github private by chance

bc the pagebar functionality was ass

but all the cool ass features in the paid version were actually sick

no idea how i wrote that code

[restive ether]

bring bad page bar

[half walrus]

plan to get around to it

ios 14 page indicator is a PITA to work on as it turns out

[restive ether]

they changed it?

[half walrus]

they rewrote the entirety of UIPageIndicator

some new guy on the uikit team

its actually sick now

plan for the rewritten version to not hack itself in and instead extend UIPageIndicator and use all the new features

[restive ether]

what was the point of rewriting it though

[half walrus]

lemme screen record using it

holding down on it and dragging does that

[restive ether]

oh yeah i forgot about that

i’m not in 14 so i kinda just seen them as dots still lol

[half walrus]

very ios tweak-esque, except they actually did it first for once

and it's system wide afaik

[tepid olive]

it’s quite nice, but i have a one page setup now lmao

i’d use it if i could jailbreak

[half walrus]

me

i use it constantly

fuck 5 thumb drags to get to the app library

which i have to use because i cant find my apps because of my theme

ok but imagine now

a folder rewrite based on the app library

i usually have to bc i cant find shit in the app library either

nobody bc they suck

imagine if they worked like the app library

[tepid olive]

if only i could jailbreak

i like my passcode tbf

[half walrus]

i uh

may or may not have fucked up the app library w/ h+ tho

[gaunt mesa]

is ther verizon

that*

[half walrus]

it's straight talk

i just used the VZ icon bc

[restive ether]

i still don’t get why the ipad doesn’t have an app library

[half walrus]

i like confusing myself

[restive ether]

it seems arbitrary

[half walrus]

lol

can tell you its bc of how fucked up app library code is

[gaunt mesa]

wait ipados 14 doesn't have the app library?

[half walrus]

so jank

[restive ether]

i saw some dude make a ghetto app library with flex

[tepid olive]

iPads need app library tbh, id love it in the same style as today view

[half walrus]

app library is an SBIconList of SBIconLists that open SBIconLIsts

which is why its jank with HomePlus

[restive ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688122301975363591/796250406979108864/video0.mp4

[tepid olive]

true

[twilit jungle]

[gaunt mesa]

apple moment

[half walrus]

see like

[tepid olive]

:how:

[gaunt mesa]

wtf is that

[half walrus]

ios 13 and even moreso with 14 rewrite is so clean

[restive ether]

something someone made in flex

[half walrus]

so the app library bullshit is

gross

[restive ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688122301975363591/796250041382993923/image0.png

[gaunt mesa]

apple just occasionally rewrites their code

and then write shit code more and more

and then fix it

and then write more shit code

nah that was good

[half walrus]

lol yeah no that's the vibe i'm starting to get renai

[restive ether]

maybe someone will make this a tweak and smooth it out

[half walrus]

13 rewrite was fucking amazing

14 is kind of

[twilit jungle]

Thats pretty much how all big softwares work

[half walrus]

making things worse

[gaunt mesa]

next rewrite ios 17

[half walrus]

and 15, oh no

[gaunt mesa]

fr

[restive ether]

rewrite all code in swift

plz

plz

plz

[gaunt mesa]

wait was ios 8 or 9 the huge rewrite?

[half walrus]

so we'll probably see a refactor again for 15 or 16

[restive ether]

plz

[gaunt mesa]

8 was huge

or was it 8

9

i can't remember

ok ofc 7 was huge

[restive ether]

ios 7

[gaunt mesa]

brhu

[half walrus]

7 was the real massive rewrite

[gaunt mesa]

yea

[half walrus]

then 9

[restive ether]

7 kinda sucked though

[half walrus]

then 11

[restive ether]

for obvious reasons

[half walrus]

then 13

[gaunt mesa]

big sur is macOS 11

[half walrus]

so

15 here we come

[restive ether]

8 finished it off

[gaunt mesa]

8 wasn't really that much

[half walrus]

and anyone who thinks 14 was a massive rewrite

[gaunt mesa]

just a few QoL things iirc

[half walrus]

no

ios 14 wasn't the rewrite, 13 was

[restive ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688122301975363591/798248089952452608/image0.png

[gaunt mesa]

true

[half walrus]

and they just finished the rest of their features in 14

[restive ether]

dear lord

[half walrus]

i can't believe i didn't put together the dots in 13 on widgets lol

almost all of the classes used for the framework of widgets were already there

SBIconListGridLayout stuff used so heavily by widgets only had one property added for iOS 14

SBGridSize iirc

did i add this to the wiki lemme check

https://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php?title=Updating_extensions_for_iOS_14&oldid=5583 lol @ me in the middle of reversing it and dumping what i knew on the page

not sure why i removed this and didn't add the finished research

[restive ether]

try some piracy words

@half walrus

[half walrus]

HackYourIphone

Cydown

[restive ether]

true

[half walrus]

rejail

consider adding advanced dev to that exemption list as wel

[restive ether]

there’s only like 4-5 words we didn’t include because they didn’t seem necessary

[half walrus]

in the impossible event i ever get advanced dev

[restive ether]

you’re not a dev idiot

[half walrus]

also pink back pls

[restive ether]

[gentle crescent]

hello

[tepid olive]

[gentle crescent]

can i get a dev to say cydown

[half walrus]

cydown

[gentle crescent]

nice

ok

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

\👍

[gaunt mesa]

cydown

[tepid olive]

true

[gaunt mesa]

why aren't u using cyup

[tepid olive]

cydown

[gentle crescent]

devs are excempt from piracy filter in #development

[half walrus]

lol did i just find a discord bug

[gentle crescent]

you're welcome

[gaunt mesa]

epic

[half walrus]

:+1:

[gaunt mesa]

rip

[half walrus]

if you put a \

before that

[undone nest]

can i also say it

[gaunt mesa]

\👍

[half walrus]

instead of printing emoji name/id

[gaunt mesa]

WAIT

[restive ether]

[gentle crescent]

you can always say it dog you'll just get banned :D

[gaunt mesa]

oh taht's cool

👍

[undone nest]

that is very sad

[gaunt mesa]

UGH

[undone nest]

when developer role

[gaunt mesa]

i love the native mac emotes

true

[half walrus]

\☺️

[gaunt mesa]

wtf

that looks ugly asf

[half walrus]

putting \ before a default style emoji prints it in the font you're typing in instead of the apple emoji font

[restive ether]

!troll

[gaunt mesa]

i wonder if u can do SF symbols

ok

can we make a #development that only @developers can access

[half walrus]

that's backroom

[gaunt mesa]

that's adv only

[half walrus]

yyep

reliant on someone's opinion of whether you're an 'advanced dev' or not

along with

other

factors

[gaunt mesa]

i mean i actually don't have too many questions usually

[half walrus]

!kekw

[gaunt mesa]

except for

[gentle crescent]

:bean:

[gaunt mesa]

what notifications does springboard give when its finished launching

[restive ether]

yes

[gaunt mesa]

because applicationDidFinishLaunching happens too soon

false

[half walrus]

if that's regarding me

dont

[restive ether]

perhaps he will ignore you

[gaunt mesa]

gm brad

[half walrus]

@twilit jungle ping

[gaunt mesa]

is he online now?

oh he is

[half walrus]

yes or i wouldn't have pinged

[restive ether]

if he wasn’t he is now

[gaunt mesa]

when i checked this morning he was offline

[twilit jungle]

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

i'm away from home and dont have the strings list

[twilit jungle]

Same as apps

[restive ether]

[half walrus]

but uh

[twilit jungle]

SpringBoard is essentially an app

[half walrus]

consider searching this channel for a SpringBoardHome.dylib

i dropped an extracted one a while back

[gaunt mesa]

@twilit jungle but is there anything after the UI loads

[half walrus]

we used one in velox maybe

let me check

[gaunt mesa]

actually im probably better off just running all of my code on a separate thread

[twilit jungle]

Yes the same one that app gets, UIApplicationDidFinishLaunchingNotification

[half walrus]

they said that's too early

[gaunt mesa]

^

[twilit jungle]

too early for what?

[half walrus]

is it icon related ?

[gaunt mesa]

its delayed my sbreload by 10-15 seconds

no

[twilit jungle]

sbreload takes 10 seconds? yikes

[half walrus]

lol

it does with flexall installed

[twilit jungle]

[half walrus]

we need to figure that issue out sometime

[gaunt mesa]

no because i added some NSURLSessionDataTask

and its on the main thread

[half walrus]

dlopen libflex only on first actual opening of flex or smthn

[gaunt mesa]

cuz im stupid

[restive ether]

sbreload go zoom

[half walrus]

cuz that bug is actually problematic on ios 14 now

with the new sbreload bug i found

[twilit jungle]

then make it on background thread?

[half walrus]

that kinda destroys the OS till a full userspace reboot

[twilit jungle]

FLEXall dlopen's libflex in ctor so it should be once.

[half walrus]

@upbeat wyvern I wonder if the sbreload bug could actually be related to the fact that Flipboard Explorer loaders increase sbreload times by 5+ seconds

[twilit jungle]

Or are you saying move that to when gesture is invoked

[half walrus]

and this combined w/ dragon's nutty build/install times was what made it even possibly to reliably trigger

hm

[twilit jungle]

@gaunt mesa well I can't find the list of notifications I had noted somewhere. Uroboro had made a tool to explore all the notifications, basically hooked the different notification center methods/functions, should be available on his github.

[grim sparrow]

I know I remade something similar that kinda works

[twilit jungle]

If its UI that gets displayed on specific screens, then I'd recommend hooking the view controller for that screen instead of using notifications.

[tepid olive]

time to get my 6 on 12.5.1

5s be almost 8 years old tho

frcoal

[half walrus]

@crimson monolith https://twitter.com/arm64e/status/1348695713199353880?s=20

kritanta (@arm64e)

(they're actually the exact same machine/server, https://t.co/NZeOJSDbcl just has a special rule in nginx to do this: https://t.co/ZUYev4EXq2 for depictions when that url is opened. the command will not autorun on https://t.co/DEwNk71x0G).

I'm moving them to a smaller server.

Twitter · Jan 11, 2021, 6:18 PM

couldn't wait 20s for me to explain smh

pretty much

[crimson monolith]

he knows

[half walrus]

huh

[gaunt mesa]

alright thanks, im also gonna look into just using a separate thread

[half walrus]

tell me you aren't doing drm in your ctor

there are people here including myself who will beat u if that's the case

[crimson monolith]

rip renai

[twilit jungle]

[half walrus]

can you install a shell script as a daemon on ios

[lethal kayak]

no response, krit has beaten them to death

[gaunt mesa]

wtf no

this isn't for DRM

[half walrus]

why url request

[gaunt mesa]

its not even a tweak u people know about

[half walrus]

u people

[gaunt mesa]

"u people"

[half walrus]

ok but i am curious now why you'd need a URL request that early on

[gaunt mesa]

well i don't

i just haven't finished the part where the request will be

its just to pull some geographic data from an API

i was just testing the actual data part and i by chance happened to notice

my intention was actually to pull the data here

but after some thinking i realized i can just move that to somewhere else

since it doesn't need to be available on respring unless i do this one thing

[half walrus]

this file was never supposed to be publicly shared in this state and that's an 8 month old copy

[gaunt mesa]

wait

[half walrus]

surprised i even threw it on a private gist but anyways

[gaunt mesa]

Springboard.x

[twilit jungle]

[half walrus]

the elusive missing file in HomePlusPro

[gaunt mesa]

and the layout folder

but no one cares about that

[half walrus]

shit did that have the udid code

[gaunt mesa]

i love that

[misty cradle]

@half walrus yes

[lethal kayak]

starboard

[twilit jungle]

[misty cradle]

selling udid code!!

[gaunt mesa]

paypal api must've been a bitch to work with

oh i forgot spoilers banned

[misty cradle]

https://i.imgur.com/E6jD5sz.png

[half walrus]

yall stop digging thru that file thx

ugly old ass code

[misty cradle]

it already got interesting

[lethal kayak]

Bestandsnaam

[half walrus]

uploading it sometime this week to the repo, i've already shared most of it here afaik

enjoy all the scary shit

and wonder with me why that took so long to crack

https://gist.github.com/KritantaDev/e9426644e3f5ee67209860fcb4a184e8

here's the code i was referencing @ renai

[gaunt mesa]

lol

yeah

i can see

[half walrus]

specifically ```objc

• (BOOL)isShowingHomescreen
  {
  [[[HPDataManager sharedInstance] currentConfiguration] setInteger:1 forKey:@"HPTutorialGiven"];
  if ([HPManager sharedInstance]._rtIconViewInitialReloadCount == 2)```

[twilit jungle]

btw there is a homescreen changed notification... please stop using a getter method for that.

[half walrus]

we've had this discussion

[gaunt mesa]

so many people use singleton "manager classes"

[half walrus]

like a probably hour long discussion between you and uro and i here

[gaunt mesa]

yet have like 4 different ways to actually make the singleton

[misty cradle]

https://i.imgur.com/35o98YR.png

sad

[twilit jungle]

[half walrus]

none of us were able to figure out a better way to do what i needed

[misty cradle]

no more springboard.x.krit.trollface.png.txt

[gaunt mesa]

true

[twilit jungle]

[misty cradle]

selling it tho

up to you if its scam

[gaunt mesa]

ill sell

for 99 dollars

[half walrus]

I just know the third time isShowingHomescreen gets called is when the icon models are in a state where I can jump in and start working with them without errors

[misty cradle]

https://i.imgur.com/JjCqHOa.png

here proof that its real

[half walrus]

let me find the velox springboard notification we used if i saved it

[twilit jungle]

Yeah probably cause that method is called during the springboard launching.

[half walrus]

"bonuses based on amount of work contributed"

ok so where's my 100% bub

[twilit jungle]

Using SBIconController's view appearance methods would be better (atleast on iOS 13+, pre-iOS 13 those methods are never called)

[misty cradle]

ok about to message daniel on instagram

where my money

[half walrus]

dont bring me up pls if u actually do

if i want to go after him abt this i will

[misty cradle]

that other 600-700$ could be invested in so many other things

[half walrus]

i might just actually msg him today bc fuckit

[misty cradle]

@half walrus ok ill specifically bring u up and how you were scammed by him

[half walrus]

literally fucked financially rn

[misty cradle]

u have nothing to lose really

so yes msg him

[twilit jungle]

Stimulus check though

[half walrus]

don’t like burning bridges

[half walrus]

can’t lol

[twilit jungle]

[misty cradle]

don't u mean don't like burning bridges that are worth keeping

not sure if its worth keeping that bridge

and you msg'ing him about it doesn't mean u have to burn bridges

[half walrus]

just in general

most probably aren't worth keeping but i've been historically bad at figuring out which ones so just as a rule of thumb i avoid it now

[[NSNotificationCenter defaultCenter] addObserver:self selector:@selector(andIOop) name:@"SBIconModelDidLayoutIconStateNotification" object:nil]; @gaunt mesa

this notification gets sent at the end of -[SBIconModel layout]

however its worth noting probably for your case that tweaks such as HomePlus and velox call this method, H+ whenever you change row count, velox idk when

destroys and reloads the entire listing so in velox i think we used it as a "shit's fucked" button

@restive ether peitition to add .*troll.* to the filter

[tepid olive]

true

i just am stealing emotes

fun stuff

[half walrus]

@misty cradle you still have access to the VeloxReloaded and related repos on gh right?

[gaunt mesa]

thanks krit

[half walrus]

help

[lethal kayak]

delete the update and turn off auto updates

[misty cradle]

think so

[half walrus]

might download/clone those just for the hell of it

[misty cradle]

https://gist.github.com/Tr1Fecta-7/405a1d34f296ae7ddf9d6313f493d9a9

[faint timber]

mood

[restive ether]

me too

[misty cradle]

me too

[lethal ice]

ok

[burnt niche]

I got a trash camera for my computer

[lethal ice]

are you sunny johl

[burnt niche]

I might change the webcam. If thats possible to open laptop and change it

No

[lethal ice]

or darshen

[tepid olive]

if you're on 13.6+ there's an option to disable auto downloading updates

[burnt niche]

Nah

I dont have it on

[tepid olive]

or use tvOS 13 profile expiring Jan 31, or other OTA blocking tweaks if jailbroken

[burnt niche]

Because of my webcam

Its really really bad

Its dark everywhere

[lethal ice]

the first two look like they could be indian to me

[tepid olive]

me when I had webcam turned off in UEFI setup and had to turn it back on because of zoom

[misty cradle]

they are

[burnt niche]

Yea they are in comp sci

[lethal ice]

oh tru

[burnt niche]

Most people in my math course are bio / comp sci

Can you change the camera hardware on a laptop?

[gentle crescent]

@misty cradle

[misty cradle]

@gentle crescent

[gentle crescent]

o

[lethal ice]

@burnt niche you can plug in a new camera

probably be pretty hard to replace the hardware

[burnt niche]

Yea it might be hard. Since i would have to find the right port and size to fit the screen

[lethal ice]

also i used to think my webcam had terrible quality

but turning on the lights

made it leagues better

[twilit jungle]

who would have thought

[burnt niche]

Im sitting next to light

Its dark asf still

[lethal ice]

given that the room was full of natural light, not me

literally have my blinds all the way open but camera only works well when i turn on my lights

[burnt niche]

Yea i might turn on a bright light in front of my face

[faint timber]

who wants a gpu you have to pay of course but at msrp

[twilit jungle]

What gpu?

[burnt niche]

This is me

[lethal ice]

sushil

[burnt niche]

How do i look

[lethal ice]

like a king

[burnt niche]

Real dopeboy shit u hear me

Im jp thats not me😂

[twilit jungle]

boy...

[half walrus]

need to wire my iphone hotspot connection to my router's internet source and run everything through it, if anyone has any pointers on an easy way to do that
@half walrus

i swear i replied to that weird

yes

• a lot more

oh i remember why i didnt lol

which OS are you on

i would recommend using it alongside theos, and if you do please @ me immediately if/when you hit issues as nobody has been doing that on linux

and I say 'alongside' as you shouldn't delete theos in the event things go wrong w/ dragon

it should almost fully support theos makefiles

bash <(curl -sL dr.krit.me) to install

root pass is for symlinking /usr/local/bin to the binary and you can view the installer script at https://dr.krit.me/

[restive ether]

it go zoom

[half walrus]

https://github.com/DragonBuild/dragon/wiki/Benchmarks

[tepid olive]

could also use ~/.local/bin

tru

[half walrus]

https://github.com/dragonbuild/installer

i readily accept pull requests to this

it's gotten far faster since then

and i need to do it on a theos project now that it has that, so it's a perfect comparison

[tardy narwhal]

rip, github repos have a max size of roundabout 1gig

[half walrus]

@lime pivot you've inspired a dragon feature congrats

ironically the thing i joked about "being something i'd do but idk if i'd go that far"

[gaunt mesa]

does dragon's compile commands work again?

[half walrus]

dragon export ym?

[gaunt mesa]

yes

cuz last time i tried it i was getting a blank file

[half walrus]

unsure

should?

[gaunt mesa]

ill try it again

[half walrus]

pip3 install pyyaml

[gaunt mesa]

pip3 install pyyaml

[half walrus]

high5.png

[half walrus]

just did, you're right

did you do pip install yaml or pip install pyyaml

lol yeah it's dumb

named 'pyyaml' in pip but 'yaml' in python

rn just try running it on a theos project

did you use the install script

[tepid olive]

fruhh

[half walrus]

does it not support arch wtf

[tepid olive]

yay install ninja

yay better

ok

idrc

[half walrus]

pacman -S ninja

[tepid olive]

since when

is yay EOL

[gaunt mesa]

pacman -S ninja

what is yay

[tepid olive]

isn't yaourt

[tepid olive]

y another yaourt

[half walrus]

arch package manager debates gross

[tepid olive]

i think

[gaunt mesa]

wtf is that

what are these cringe names

[half walrus]

imagine not using pacman and doing everything aur manually

lol

[tepid olive]

yay saves time

to update everything

just run yay once

[half walrus]

@tepid olive do you have tree installed

i need to just fix toolchain shit so lets do that now

[gaunt mesa]

anyone wanna help me with my Implicit and Inverse Derivative Test /s

[half walrus]

tree $THEOS/toolchain

i'm gonna make it scan $THEOS/toolchain if it doesn't find one in dragon first

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

tree $THEOS/toolchain > sendtokrit.txt

[gaunt mesa]

man my dock is so close to perfection

[half walrus]

~/.dragonbuild by default

[half walrus]

suffer

[gaunt mesa]

personally i think this is incorrect for a build system

well ur on catalina

so it looks better

[tepid olive]

true

[gaunt mesa]

discord native icon wen for public

[tepid olive]

fix ur vscode icon

idk

they showed how it looked

[gaunt mesa]

i haven't opened vscode in weeks idc enough to fix it

[tepid olive]

i like mirac's better anyways

i'll put it back when i have time

[gaunt mesa]

i wish microsoft edge stopped updating every 2 seconds

[tepid olive]

canary updates kill it

[gaunt mesa]

school

[tepid olive]

how

[gaunt mesa]

safari is my main browser

[tepid olive]

school needs edge

[gaunt mesa]

i have to sign into google and stuff

and when ur signed into restirected gsuite accounts and personal accounts it becomes a mess

[tepid olive]

and people make a drama about supporting IE

[half walrus]

rm -r ~/.dragonbuild/toolchain && ln -s $THEOS/toolchain ~/.dragonbuild/toolchain @tepid olive

[gaunt mesa]

bruh

[tepid olive]

but others can't support safari

[gaunt mesa]

i only want the browser that looks the best

and edge uses chromium

???

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

edge == firefox rn

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

and firefox == chromium

[gaunt mesa]

gecko is a fork of chromium

[half walrus]

and chrome is chromium + branded shit

everything is chromium now

lol

[gaunt mesa]

chromium is a fork of webkit tho

which is still funny to think about

[tepid olive]

safari is my preferred browser because touch id

and chrome kills my system

[gaunt mesa]

safari is my preferred because it looks good

chrome looks like shit

[tepid olive]

true

[gaunt mesa]

[tepid olive]

i use safari for windows in WINE

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

@gaunt mesa lol remember this

[tepid olive]

true

[gaunt mesa]

oh god, i think u spent like 2 hours trying to figure that out

and then finally achieved that at like 5am

[half walrus]

i thought i did

do you remember what the fix was

[gaunt mesa]

that was like 10 months ago

unfortunately i don't

could it be file permissions

seems like a write error

[half walrus]

OH

[tepid olive]

gosh i wanted apple to ship arm64 binaries for xctoolchain so much

[gaunt mesa]

r word careful

[tepid olive]

true

burrit0z moment

[gaunt mesa]

u don't even have an arm64e mac

[tepid olive]

for my iPad

arm64 brew binaries run

[half walrus]

!woeis

[gaunt mesa]

!woeis

ok that makes a lot more sense

[half walrus]

yeah no shit it's not working

i bet i didn't fix it during that call

the refactor has made this so much easier now

[gaunt mesa]

formatting

e

[tepid olive]

arm64e

[gaunt mesa]

yes