one time my aunt didnt pay her electricity bill and the company shut off power for the whole block by accident and drove off
#development
narrow mason
half walrus
if it happened today it'd be a massive problem, when it happened then it was "not as urgent"
and i mean entire grid was gone too
cellular
internet
power
it was surreal
lime pivot
I mean that event led to us throwing money at Space Karen for a good few thousand kW of Tesla batteries that can sustain the entire state for quite a while
nimble parcel
(feedback welcome if anyone has any)
half walrus
i genuinely hope i'll see something like it again
primal perch
gm @lethal ice
narrow mason
hmm
narrow mason
not sure about the color but im biased against purple
lime pivot
we still remain one of very few places in the world with lithium batteries for grid spare electricity storage
half walrus
(feedback welcome if anyone has any)
implement a terminal emulator
half walrus
if i click the cursor at the top and it does nothing i will add the website to my blocklist
narrow mason
we still remain one of very few places to make me want to die
nimble parcel
implement a terminal emulator
Theos REPL 
lime pivot
we still remain one of very few places to make me want to die
I’ve noticed
narrow mason
i should've stayed in mexico
half walrus
Theos REPL <:thonk:356460944135684096>
just write it in python
narrow mason
whyd my parents bring me here
half walrus
and shove it in https://krit.me/
undone nest
why uname no work
half walrus
write it
narrow mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61uAgCA0Ais @restive ether
how
ok maybe i was wrong about him
lime pivot
all things considered with the shitshow the US is, all I hear is worse about Mexico and India and the other popular places people migrate to the US from
narrow mason
yeah
half walrus
why uname no work
if u want to see a feature send me the code for the feature
narrow mason
mexicos president rn
is absolute shit
like he looks like a dumpster fire compared to trump
nimble parcel
all things considered with the shitshow the US is, all I hear is worse about Mex...
frankly I’d rather be in India than the US rn
half walrus
just needs to be a python function that returns stdout
undone nest
oh its python
narrow mason
makes me sad for my country 
undone nest
im so trash at python
narrow mason
can i ask
half walrus
possibly
nimble parcel
no
half walrus
i like to talk about these kinds of projects
but i have to remind myself nobody else gives as much of a shit about the things im passionate about as i do
narrow mason
ever since i remembered about undertale aus im revisiting them
lime pivot
frankly I’d rather be in India than the US rn
yeah I don’t blame you, the opportunities are always going to be better elsewhere though unfortunately
undone nest
but i have to remind myself nobody else gives as much of a shit about the things...
well thats the case with dev stuff most of the time
at least in my experience
lime pivot
as in how much you can earn and whether you can get into a more prestigious uni
primal perch
frankly id rather go move to the middle of nowhere, fail to live off the land and die
narrow mason
id rather you do that too
narrow mason
you are green?:
primal perch
yes bro
narrow mason
primal perch
true
half walrus
i feel like both india and the US are made to look much worse in the media than they really are
primal perch
half walrus
but uh
half walrus
idk how are gay/trans rights in india
twilit jungle
twilit jungle
When is your bedtime?
narrow mason
uh i killed my parents so
primal perch
10pm
twilit jungle
half walrus
life goes on
yeah but for some of us it doesnt so
twilit jungle
Well I am still playing
narrow mason
does bedtime stay w you after leaving your parents'
half walrus
asking if that stuff is better in india at least
cuz that's the only good metric i have
human rights n that kinda thing
primal perch
does bedtime stay w you after leaving your parents'
yes for the first 3 years
narrow mason
wtf gh0st is still in gta
primal perch
then you can bypass it
narrow mason
he is hacking and modding wtf
twilit jungle
narrow mason
wait send invite
primal perch
yeah but for some of us it doesnt so
well thats the sad reality of being alive
narrow mason
primal perch
eventually you arent
half walrus
i was referring to the whole human rights thing
dying is a less reliable metric i suppose
lime pivot
i feel like both india and the US are made to look much worse in the media than ...
yeah agreed, it’s like how in primary school the church would always talk about how bad people in South America and Africa have it
undone nest
then you can bypass it
can i just hook it with supercharge and delete it
half walrus
yeah exactly
primal perch
yeah but its not a huge surprise seeing as human rights are still a recent thing @half walrus
lime pivot
idk man some of those countries are bad but it’s not a blanket thing based on continent
primal perch
people are still around from when it was fine to just shit on people for no reason
narrow mason
the way i was conditioned growing up to not be sad about being dirt poor was "there are kids who have it worse"
like ok
id rather be them
and die
undone nest
the world is fucked up everywhere not just developing countries
we just dont notice it anymore because its become normal
narrow mason
@twilit jungle send invite 
half walrus
i've grown less frustrated with the exaggeration of problems in the US
twilit jungle
join cord
undone nest
depression is pretty normal here id say
primal perch
look at any time period in history and youll see suffering and senseless killing. it seems pretty much inevitable
narrow mason
jules ate da mic
undone nest
its obviously still an issue but youre just used to it
primal perch
we're monkey brain at the core
undone nest
look at any time period in history and youll see suffering and senseless killing...
even right now
half walrus
its not hell here but when i'm losing rights for my personal issues still i really dont mind people making this country seem like hell
undone nest
in this instant some poor fucker in afghanistan or syria is probably getting killed by soldiers
lime pivot
I also learned to really greatly dislike the idea of white churchy people disturbing African communities, sometimes making them considerably worse/more dangerous while thinking they’re helping
narrow mason
instance*
primal perch
oof
undone nest
or soldiers are being killed by someone
half walrus
in this instant some poor fucker in afghanistan or syria is probably getting kil...
just cuz it's worse doesn't mean it cant be better
lime pivot
I remember reading some story about an African community that basically destroyed everything the white churchy people from America gave them, of course slanted to sound like “OMG look at how ungrateful these damn poor black people are”
primal perch
its not hell here but when i'm losing rights for my personal issues still i real...
i can infer what you're referring to and i really only see it getting better (here in the US) at least. in the past 10-20 years people are much more accepting and i see that being passed down to the next generation so the unaccepting people now won't exist (or will on a much lower level)
im not super informed but thats just a tidbit of hope i guess
half walrus
cant rape an adult and then say 'well you see offisur, some people out there rape kids yknow, worse shit is always happening'
lime pivot
no they just don’t appreciate someone deciding they need to help you when you didn’t need help lmao
half walrus
i can infer what you're referring to and i really only see it getting better (he...
socially i'm optimistic
politically much less so
past 4 years directly removed rights and i have no confidence in the current administration to restore those
given the two candidates have historically had almost identical stances on almost everything
and i wish that were an exaggeration
primal perch
in the close future yeah its concerning but whatever the general social mass believes eventually makes its way into law
in the progressive era at least
hopefully we get some new advancements in the ne xt 30 years
lime pivot
ugh the next 4 years are going to piss me off watching Biden reinstate stuff I forgot Trump ruined
like the EPA
primal perch
id be surprised if he reinstated much of it at all
half walrus
yeah at least biden is a career politician
lime pivot
just wondering how tf they’ll catch up with 4 years of lost progress
half walrus
so we can get the "bare fucking minimum"
half walrus
just wondering how tf they’ll catch up with 4 years of lost progress
they wont
primal perch
even 4 years of bare fucking minimum would do a lot of good
half walrus
yep
we all agreed to swallow the pill on that one
despite trump being more of a democrat than binen lol
unfortunately he was also retarded and senile
lime pivot
can’t wait to hear some shit like a major environmental incident happened 3 years ago and the EPA can’t pursue it because they didn’t have the resources
half walrus
heavily doubt it
undone nest
#jailbreak lmao
half walrus
like people arguing kanye has any idea what he's doing
lol
no he fuckin doesnt
man is havin a mental breakdown that ain't 'genius'
primal perch
it takes a lot clever emotional skills to just walk in and take the presidency with basically 0 political experience
social skills mainly*
@narrow mason stfustfustfu
half walrus
it takes a lot clever emotional skills to just walk in and take the presidency w...
it was amazing
ppl are gonna study it for ages
last 4 years are gonna make a great chapter in history books
restive ether
people thought they wanted a “good businessman” as a president and turns out that was a bad idea
restive ether
especially when they’re not good at business 
half walrus
bro pick anyone other than trump
azure sail
Hello devs
half walrus
Hello devs
no devs here, just us chickens
undone nest
especially when they’re not good at business <:nfr:710397842811781133>
when youre so bad at business that shopify bans you
half walrus
lol
all the apps that banned him
didn't know he had a fb
i doubt he knows he had a fb
his phone has guidance lock on
restive ether
i mean, honestly probably a big move of shopify’s part they probably make a large bit from just trump stuff
half walrus
and its locked to twitter
half walrus
i mean, honestly probably a big move of shopify’s part they probably make a larg...
eh
guess i can see that
undone nest
i doubt it was very signifact
half walrus
that's the only site that argument actually works for
undone nest
as they did absolutely not give a shit
half walrus
like "oh twitter/reddit wont ban <x> because of the traffic it brings them"
restive ether
smart government conservatives crying about their first amendment rights being taking away by large corporations and unregulated business they wanted in the first place 
undone nest
its like trump supporters saying theyre gonna leave twitter because they think its gonna hurt it
half walrus
its more
half walrus
"how do we handle an unhinged president when he's also in charge of regulating our platform and can kill our business"
do not envy anyone stuck w/ that problem
undone nest
i think they have stopped giving a shit because hes gone in like 10 days
restive ether
think about it now there’s an alt timeline where trump doesn’t get banned by twitter
half walrus
especially when a certain persons' supporters have a, reputation, for mailing explosives
primal perch
think about it now there's an alt timeline where trump has made an onlyfans now
half walrus
especially when a certain persons' supporters have a, reputation, for mailing ex...
which is just great to shut down the 'both sides' argument
restive ether
i cant believe so many of them managed to find a way to blame someone else lol
undone nest
didnt they mail explosives to twitter too
half walrus
wouldn't surprise me
undone nest
i remember hearing about it but idk if it was twitter
undone nest
well yeah they are both bad
restive ether
playing the whole “both sides bad” argument has never gotten anyone anywhere
centrists 🥱🥱
half walrus
well yeah they are both bad
lime pivot
man is havin a mental breakdown that ain't 'genius'
I feel bad for him but it’s like, really not our problem that he’s out of his mind
undone nest
tldr hitler says stfu i dont care
half walrus
i don't feel bad for em
tons more people suddenly 'care' about bipolar disorder thanks to it, its done a lot for awareness and real actual information on it
restive ether
i don’t think the comments over the year hyping him up help, when you keep telling an insane person they’re a genius it only furthers their ego and mental decline
lime pivot
when youre so bad at business that shopify bans you
only after they collected hundreds of thousands in revenue on you*
half walrus
and when you subject yourself to the spotlight, you're selling yourself as a product now
expect nothing less
undone nest
only after they collected hundreds of thousands in revenue on you*
just ignore that 
lime pivot
and its locked to twitter
I mean you’re not even wrong, he has a special iPhone solely for Twitter
undone nest
he isnt even in his office anymore is he
half walrus
like the guy sits around and watches fox and tweets all day
undone nest
just spends the entire day on twitter
lime pivot
I mean he started the presidency tweeting from a Galaxy S3
a phone that last got android updates in like 2013
half walrus
wanted 'someone not controlled by others'
how the fuck u think this country is still running?
man shits in diapers
not like he's makin the decisions
lime pivot
I mean not that it helps if his twitter password was maga2020! with no 2FA anyway
lime pivot
I mean
half walrus
shouldn't say this but i may or may not use the same password for uh
lime pivot
I’ve had bad passwords but at least they aren’t the name of my current campaign with a ! on the end (that’s what makes it secure as you know)
half walrus
literally everything
lime pivot
hah
primal perch
i dont use a keychain
then again i have to recover my password half the time i wan to login to something
half walrus
until there's a free, system wide, cross platform, not-fucking-platform-locked-fuck-off-apple, password manager
half walrus
it'll likely stay this way and i'll continue using 2fa or keybased as a real password
half walrus
id really use apple keychain as my password manager
i'd do this however
my 2nd monitor is running a windows vm
and i spend about 50% of my time on that drive
lime pivot
I wish LastPass wouldn’t suck such big dickballs
it’s like how can we make 1Password but shitty
primal perch
im sick of hackintoshing and dealing with drivers, a mac mini 2014 should suffice for xcode
half walrus
i also dont want to literally get locked out of things by missing payments thank you
:)
primal perch
when i have 400$ for spending i guess
lime pivot
only still using it because at least it’s still secure
half walrus
when i have 400$ for spending i guess
buy hackintosh oob parts then tho
thats what i did instead of grabbing a mini
primal perch
eh ive tried using amd cards but it never works for windows
half walrus
compatible gpu/wifi+bt/all that shit
primal perch
had a vega 64 that kept c rashing, rmad it for a 5700xt
half walrus
RX 580 Saphire
primal perch
kept crashing in windows
lime pivot
feels dodgy to be on a free password manager but anyway
half walrus
cant remember the company
undone nest
id just get an m1 mac mini at that point
half walrus
but it's a great card and worked oob
primal perch
rmad it again, ran like shit in half the games i played
lime pivot
Sapphire is the company
half walrus
no?
primal perch
yea it was sapphire vega 64 at least they rmad it twice so i could sell it at that point
primal perch
point is trying to go amd left me without a functioning gpu for like 3 months
half walrus
https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-rx-580-8g-g5 yep i was wrong
so why did i download drivers from
lime pivot
Advanced Micro Devices, Incorporated?
half walrus
yes
primal perch
bc the chipset is made by amd but the aibs (eg sapphire) just slap a differnt cooler and vbios on
aib = 3rd party partner
half walrus
alright that makes sense yeah
pro tip
need updated macos drivers for usb adapter shit?
dont msg the company
figure out who made the chipset and msg them
got the beta instantly for catalina from the chipset mfg
they were probably just happy someone emailed em
lime pivot
basically it’s like if Intel sold dies to other companies who then released the CPUs as SAPPHIRE NITRO DEATH PERFORMANCE GAMING i9-10900K 32GB G5 RGB
half walrus
yeah but something was specifically different about this die or something that made it work on macos
like i had to make sure to get the saphire pulse rx 580
primal perch
its the same die as any other 580
half walrus
and not the (other 50 rx 580s)
half walrus
bc those wouldn't work on macos otb
half walrus
iirc i actually have a regular 580
primal perch
maybe gigabyte as well
half walrus
or something super close
cuz my original goal was to just patch the driver to work by disabling 2 of the cores on the driver's side
primal perch
lol my integrated even supports macos im just a lazy fuck and i hate changing the bios every time i want to boot macos
half walrus
and velox dropped and i got the only payment i'll ever get for my work on it and decided to say fuck it and buy the right gpu
lime pivot
basically it’s like if Intel sold dies to other companies who then released the ...
although TBF it’s more like deciding on laptop options when all of them have an i9-10900HQ inside
how many equivalencies am I going to come up with before I get the right one
primal perch
i9
laptop
half walrus
@terse egret wrong emy
primal perch
rip
undone nest
what emy
eternal crater
that is emy
undone nest
that is german emy
eternal crater
idk how many emys we both know
half walrus
https://twitter.com/emiyl0 the emy
Twitter
primal perch
the british emy
eternal crater
Yeah that’s Emma
primal perch
yea true
lime pivot
got the beta instantly for catalina from the chipset mfg
remind me to do this with my sunix usb ethernet chip
that driver is well and truly dead on big sur RIP
primal perch
L
lime pivot
swear they’ve just been making minor fixes to the same driver they wrote for Mac OS X 10.5 15 years ago
USB-A
it’s fucking old but I checked and the retailer I bought from legit still sells it
half walrus
http://www.sunix.com/en/product_detail.php?pid=256 this bad boy?
lime pivot
when I say old I mean bought it in 2014
half walrus
of course my igpu drivers are kinda shit on macos now too
once you've had a taste of a working gpu igpu will always feel shit
lime pivot
usb3 gigabit @half walrus
primal perch
well yea thats why i dont use it
1 its capped at 120hz
and 2 cant run any game except minecraft basically
half walrus
that one r&m skit was so beautiful for explaining
lime pivot
last year it stopped working so I ripped it open and reseated the other end of the USB connector
then realised I didn’t need to rip it open I just missed some screws
half walrus
how common the "how was i ever ok with this" feeling is with older tech
my windows VM graphics are running at GeForce 480 speeds
primal perch
id use a potato gpu on macos if it was convenient all i wanna do is run xcode pretty much
half walrus
i used to think that thing was blazing fast
half walrus
id use a potato gpu on macos if it was convenient all i wanna do is run xcode pr...
clover should be able to disable your graphics card tho
undone nest
just buy a kepler gpu
half walrus
which'll swap to igpu
undone nest
theyre still pretty decent
half walrus
that's what coolstar did with their yoga 720
undone nest
and have native support
primal perch
if i can make it work without changing bios every boot yea thatd be great
but all clover can do iirc is just disable the dgpu without using the igpu when my bios expects a pcie gpu
so its just black
half walrus
RX 580 gets me 80 FPS @ 1080x60hz (w/ dual monitors) in minecraft with full volumetric lighting on ultra
its a hell of a card
lime pivot
I wouldn’t buy Nvidia anything for hackintosh now
primal perch
it is but i like my rtx 3070
lime pivot
we’re like this close to Apple finally killing off their last Nvidia Mac
undone nest
please dont use clover
half walrus
I wouldn’t buy Nvidia anything
for hackintosh now
undone nest
opencore is so much better
lime pivot
true
undone nest
as someone who has used both
lime pivot
the last Nvidia Mac standing is the MacBook Pro 2014
undone nest
clover is slow as fuck and injects kexts in a horrible way
primal perch
so
lime pivot
they also killed off my beloved 2013 iMac with the world’s most potato base model GPU better known as the GT 755M
with big sur
primal perch
F
half walrus
wanna know why i don't use opencore 😛
lime pivot
still can upgrade to it by patching the installer, no OS patches needed and you don’t even have to disable SIP or sealed system volume, dumb it’s discontinued when it literally works 100%
half walrus
please dont use clover
probably the 100th time i've heard this
its purely spite at this point
primal perch
like i said earlier as good asthe 580 sounds its not as much gpu horsepower as i like using and my last 2 amd cards were a huge pain in the ass so i either deal with igpu woes or get a real mac
half walrus
yeah man let me spend another month trying to get my PC to have a bootable OS bc someone likes a different horribly coded project
lime pivot
but I’m worried once the 2014 MBP is discontinued, all Nvidia support will be removed from macOS
primal perch
probably
lime pivot
so Apple can finally absolve themselves of any interest with their most hated former partner
primal perch
they just killed off the perfectly fine gt 755m like you said so theyll happily axe the rest
undone nest
the difference is very noticable
half walrus
@undone nest switch to dragon please
i know you may be used to, like, and have integrated theos into your everyday workflow
primal perch
see that was a good joke
half walrus
and uprooting your entire system because i like my tool more seems like a big thing to ask
but the difference is very noticable
trust me, i've used theos
primal perch
😂
undone nest
so you just dont want to reinstall?
undone nest
oh you use clover as a normal bootloader
half walrus
as compared to?
undone nest
in my case its on a drive where it only boots macOS
and windows boots off of its own shit
half walrus
so does mine
lime pivot
trust me, i've used theos
half walrus
i just copied the windows bootloader onto my clover efi as well
so i don't have to jump into bios
lime pivot
man hackintoshing was cool and all but I really don't know how many fucks I can give to chase every individual open and closed source project I'm depending on to figure out whether it'll work after I install this update
undone nest
i just boot windows by default and if i need mac i f11 and select my ssd
half walrus
because installing windows to a shared drive is absurdly difficult
lime pivot
and cranking out the macos installer usb again if it turns out something doesn't work
undone nest
yes fuck windows
half walrus
i just boot windows by default and if i need mac i f11 and select my ssd
just copy paste windows efi stuff into clover
undone nest
if it shares its efi with anything prepare to be fucked with every update
half walrus
ezpz dual boot
i'd take a screenshot bc my GUI is clean as fuck but its sorta preboot
undone nest
i can also just boot windows from opencore
my gui looks like the macos boot selection thing
half walrus
i'm assuming so given its a clone of clover
doubt clover has any features opencore doesnt
lime pivot
what is the appeal of opencore?
half walrus
dragon
undone nest
its faster
half walrus
analogy works perfectly there
primal perch
its faster and injects the right way™️
undone nest
and sip works
lime pivot
ok so nothing meaningful, got it
primal perch
so it says
lime pivot
lmao sorry @half walrus dragon is the best 💚
primal perch
as you might expect its probably a bit more unstable and easy to break
undone nest
to be honest clover is painfully slow
half walrus
i mean just holy shit what a perfect analogy lol
undone nest
as you might expect its probably a bit more unstable and easy to break
clover isnt very stable either
half walrus
.
lime pivot
but I don't respect tribalism when it's like something I interface with for a few seconds on the rare occasion I reboot
primal perch
fr
like who the fuck cares clover works bro
when it doesnt then opencore can get all the praise
half walrus
it wasn't tribalism till i the opencore stans got more annoying than arch stans
lime pivot
it's something really different if it's a build system and it's gonna give me my build those few seconds quicker, like, that can make me way more productive and that's super meaningful
primal perch
@lethal kayak true
lime pivot
I could also make an analogy to how fucking slow webpack is here lmao
primal perch
pink floyd on tidal
lethal kayak
true
half walrus
like imagine if i actively told people to switch to my tool and gave them genuine shit if they didnt
and my tool also required uninstalling theos
lime pivot
I undid moving all my build stuff to webpack cause my gulp pipelines take like not even a second to compile thousands of lines of typescript and scss
half walrus
and its even worse than distro wars
primal perch
clover isnt very stable either
probably true i havent used either in a while and both were pretty good
half walrus
you cant even have distrowars if your bootloader doesn't work
primal perch
although i could never get my igpu to work as well as i wanted with opencore
with clover it was easy
lime pivot
thank god at least all distros use GRUB so you aren't gonna be boned because someone didn't test Gentoo on your exact setup and oops turns out it crashes
half walrus
also @undone nest if opencore doesn't have this
undone nest
to be honest opencore is a complete pain to set up and update
half walrus
straight up not going to touch it
undone nest
yea i was about to say
half walrus
configurator is a godsend
undone nest
clover configurator was nice
lime pivot
I know it stands for GRand Unified Bootloader but I choose to believe anything starting with G stands for GNU
GNU Rub
half walrus
and i will deal with any shit clover throws at me
bc at least debugging it will be nice
lime pivot
I hate that app but I mean, at least it does everything
half walrus
except for a configurator specific bug i dealt with for
over 4 months
lol
i don't understand how i went that long not realizing
lime pivot
except for AMD connector patches where it just gives you a ginormous textbox to paste your hex find and replace values
had to tediously write a connector patch for myself by hand once
half walrus
i had to change my smbios every time i booted from inside the bootloader or macos wouldn't boot
lime pivot
you take a default config for the ports (as in HDMI/DP/etc) built into macOS and then modify it to the exact ports you see under Windows (eg DVI on port 0, HDMI on port 1, etc)
half walrus
at first i thought it was because i needed to change the smbios to the updated value in my clover.plist
and i was being lazy
then, i finally did after a few months
and suddenly i had to change it from 10,7 to 10,6 (cant remember if its 10, its the mac pro one)
had a brain fart at some point, it was a formatting issue in the plist
one parser could read it, the important one couldn't
editing the smbios overwrote the bad character and the value didn't actually matter lol
lethal kayak
i setup opencore because clover was affecting my boot times severely
half walrus
i don't boot enough to have
lime pivot
you're reminding me that clover's plist parser doesn't support comments
lime pivot
I forgot that on multiple occasions
primal perch
i shutdown like 3 times a day but still dont really care
half walrus
- time to get up and do things
lime pivot
and wondered why my whole config got so fucked when I commented out a certain thing
primal perch
gives me more time to check reddit again i guess
half walrus
know what i miss from theos?
narrow mason
dgh0st racist wtf
primal perch
WTF
half walrus
gives me more time to check reddit again i guess
.
lime pivot
spent hours before realising it was just that <!-- --> is no bueno
half walrus
used to be able to grab a coffee while theos built HomePlus
lime pivot
so it was just going whatever I won't tell you there was a parsing failure, I'll just silently use the defaults
half walrus
3 minutes near the end there lol
half walrus
now it fucking installs before i even realize w/ dragon
lime pivot
used to be able to grab a coffee while theos built HomePlus
oof lmao
nah krit knows about all that
primal perch
still a bit slower than dragon probably but not nearly as big
unless u literally got like 500 .m files
half walrus
i'm aware of the make issue however it's not as big of a jump as i had expected
primal perch
and a lower tier cpu
lime pivot
it can look even slower visually because it does output buffering to ensure you don't get terminal vomit if multiple instances of clang generate build output at once
half walrus
the entire project is in the buildfile, it's doing far far far more than 'building' in the sense of what a 'build' file should handle
lime pivot
but like, that bit of it is pretty fast (still no idea if make is slow at multithreading tbh but it seems fine), issue is startup stuff theos does
half walrus
so any bit of optimization related to multi-core is immediately shat on by being interwoven with logic in a scripting language not designed to be fast
lime pivot
some of it being calling out to perl like 50 times because make is bad at numeric stuff
half walrus
not crapping on any current maintainers but its just bad design from the start
lime pivot
like testing if the SDK is 14.0 so I can add flags that iOS 14 SDKs need or some shit
half walrus
and the progressively worse way things have gotten is the predictable result
lime pivot
yeah you're not wrong
I feel like nowadays, make exists just as an easy option for basic projects, and the legacy/most compatible option
and for Linux because it still uses make for unknown reasons
lime pivot
lmao basically
it seems built around what sh was capable of plus a few extra string handling goodiea
half walrus
i need better metrics on build system design cuz what i'm blabbing is my opinionated idea for how a good build system works
primal perch
meanwhile i just dont care about my build system nor can i make myself care
just seems boring to me
lime pivot
though not enough to do things like "tell me if 13.7 is a bigger number than 14.0" without also seeing "9.3" and going "yep that's definitely a bigger number than 13.7"
primal perch
i just like writing le c
half walrus
meanwhile i just dont care about my build system nor can i make myself care
nor do i care about emulators
but ppl who do care about them do
primal perch
i mean sure i wasnt trying to bash you
half walrus
no no i'm not bashing you
primal perch
no pun intended
lime pivot
"don't give a shit just want my code to build" is kinda what make was built for it seems
primal perch
true
half walrus
every tool you use someone was super passionate about
primal perch
hence why i use make
lime pivot
feels like it just kept growing with features people needed until we got the monstrosity we have today
half walrus
and like how much i care about build systems is how much someone cares about emulators
primal perch
true
people take for granted the amount of effort put into those tools
i think is what youre trying to get across
half walrus
and i get to enjoy some pretty fuckin cool stuff for free, just cuz some guy really really gives a shit
not even take for granted really, i don't think most people expect anything from it
lime pivot
I do wish someone would put some money into really modernising make, but it seems like a lost cause at this point
it's yet another GNU project that feels out of touch just like rms, yay!
half walrus
just need to look at stuff and say 'some nerd cares way too much about the specifics related to this tool'
i found this paragraph in the nginx docs on an obscure feature that was straight up bashing apache for doing some really obscure thing in an inefficient way
primal perch
lime pivot
at this point it feels like Theos could kick ass if it could just be a nice wrapper on top of SPM, but that feels way too cursed
also SPM doesn't even support C/C++/ObjC
because apparently calling out to clang is too hard
and 100% of SPM projects will be 100% Swift codebases
primal perch
hey well good thing theres some people really hyped about improving a c compiler optimization feature by 0.1%
lime pivot
because we live in utopia where whatever I feel like implementing is the truth and everything else is wrong
primal perch
we can all reap the computational performance benefits
half walrus
exactly
someone's nerdy about something nobody cares about and we get better shit all around bc of it
except make
nobody cares about make
as it seems
lime pivot
I remember when Apple kept trying to tell us Swift is fast!!!! rewrite all your code in Swift it'll go faster!!!
primal perch
probably true but wheres the pointers
half walrus
probably bc its hard to fix make without copying what google did to fix make tho
primal perch
and dont mention the UnsignedUint8PtrUnsafe whatever
lime pivot
meanwhile, 2021: 100% of binaries built for iOS/macOS continue to be written with ObjC bridging, even when using SwiftUI or no GUI at all
half walrus
cuz my original goal was to fix make or create an alternative
but google beat me to it
primal perch
well i cant really imagine making a cli swift app. like why really
might as well use python or take full advantage of c
lime pivot
love when Swift tries to create the illusion that a func only gets exposed to ObjC if I specifically put the @objc flag on it, while I subclass viewDidLoad and layoutSubviews and implement ObjC protocols and call thousands of UIKit APIs
faint timber
tfw you update iOS so you have to re-find all your iBoot patches 
primal perch
lol
half walrus
and all of my design philosophy i yell about w/ building shit comes from the ninja team's consensus and metrics on how a buildsystem functions
primal perch
tfw you update iOS so you have to re-find all your iBoot patches <:Angerycry:693...
unfortunate
half walrus
and all of my design philosophy i yell about w/ building shit comes from the nin...
and i guess if you want a metric for how much design philosophy of that can affect something, benchmark llvm compile w/ both generators
primal perch
the fun thing about objc is bin patching. you can just do method relative patches and thus you need to change them way less frequently
faint timber
my dumbass had a fuckup so I had to restore
half walrus
at this point it feels like Theos could kick ass if it could just be a nice wrap...
, theos could kick ass as a lot of things it isn't rn, but the only person batshit enough to rewrite theos entirely already did that
and i'm incredibly hesitant to try and pick up the torch on yet another theos rewrite, branded as a theos rewrite, bc ppl are kind of allergic to contributing to my projects
and that could then end up hurting the chance of an official one
:p
lime pivot
I don't think you'd have any problem if we changed theos readme.md to say "deprecated, go here instead --> github.com/kritanta/dragon"
faint timber
no one:
apple:
TOCTOU
half walrus
otherwise i'd stfu and fix it
half walrus
I don't think you'd have any problem if we changed theos readme.md to say "depre...
see:
lime pivot
not committing to calling it deprecated anytime soon lmao
cause idk I need to think about where to go next
half walrus
ppl are kind of allergic to contributing to my projects
which
that's not really the issue rn
issue rn is i dont have a base
someone sneezes rn and they file an issue for theos
lime pivot
move it to the theos org and it'll accumulate hundreds of issues over stupid problems with the occasional really good find
half walrus
my shit bricks their system and i dont hear a peep about it
lime pivot
and people sending PRs making major changes without discussing it first
half walrus
just "oh yeah it didn't work so i uninstalled it"
half walrus
shut
lime pivot
or testing it properly or understanding why it was implemented that way
half walrus
move it to the theos org and it'll accumulate hundreds of issues over stupid pro...
i would kill for that tho
i read those theos issues so i can ask myself what less attentive users need to not have that problem
lime pivot
definitely plenty of them can be addressed by better docs
half walrus
which has led to people here complaining about the fact that my build system is making things far too easy
why the fuck is that a concern
lime pivot
some are just people who seemingly don't want to help themselves by reading the error message and using google dot com
undone nest
someone should just make a programming language where the catch automatically googles the error
lime pivot
would love to never have to explain basic concepts of preprocess-compile-link build systems ever again of course
half walrus
like you wanna make learning tweak dev painfully difficult so "people who don't know what they're doing dont get involved"
like that's not a huge fuckin issue w/ this community
is that users dont know jack shit about tweak dev
lime pivot
but sometimes you do need to explain it in a way that relates to them so they get why the solution is the solution
primal perch
i kinda want to write one
if i do the first 3 pages will be learn objective c in big red bold text
faint timber
lime pivot
problem I do see is that tweak devs are very bad at documenting anything they do
half walrus
if i do the first 3 pages will be learn objective c in big red bold text
i need a betterdiscord plugin to just copypasta my
'opinion'
on ppl saying that
lime pivot
some people like @robust radish went out of their way to write good docs on APIs they used, even in paid tweaks
primal perch
what opinion though its just a fact
lime pivot
his docs on springboard app contexts are still on dev wiki mostly untouched since nobody's cared enough to update them since like iOS 9 😕
primal perch
it really cant be any easier than the 24 day one tbh
lime pivot
most of that is out of date now
half walrus
so what if the person couldn't give 2 fucks about writing apps
so they're gonna do it because they were forced to and learn absolutely nothing
robust radish
most of that is out of date now
i can update it
lime pivot
you could likely connect the dots and write your own OSExperience in a few days using those docs
half walrus
writing tweaks is how a lot of people including myself learn objective c
lime pivot
(which… is what ethan did lol)
half walrus
i have absolutely no interest in apps
the only app projects i ever open are jailbreaks
primal perch
same it but its not a way id recommend
especially because the only support group will shit on you for it
lime pivot
man I only really felt like I started learning objc when I was going around googling shit trying to work out how the fuck I tell what UIAlertView button was tapped
primal perch
i think the 24 day tutorial is really a good intro tbh and yes ive actually read some of it
half walrus
i would've just stuck with java
primal perch
maybe
half walrus
along with many others
and it felt nice yelling at certain people in the channel a year later over how i got treated starting out in this channel lol
lime pivot
I mean I had zero app dev experience except for some dumb visual basic shit (because what dev hasn't tried visual basic in their lifetime) so this whole concept of delegates was perplexing
primal perch
the introduction of the 
emote certainly hasnt helped
half walrus
nep should not be a more welcoming and helpful individual than #development as a whole
primal perch
idk why but uhh is very condescending
lime pivot
you mean I can't just double click the button and have it automatically generate an OkButton_Click() function?!?!?
half walrus
i mean absolutely be condescending lol
lime pivot
half walrus
just help in the same breath
lime pivot
HD :uhh: only available on 
Chariz
primal perch
half walrus
remind ppl that they suck and their code sucks
but also fix it or ur just being a dick
primal perch
pretty good results for running it through a AI 2X upscaler twice tho
lime pivot
I think I stole that from someone who redrew it from scratch
primal perch
lime pivot
don't steal art kids
half walrus
i get more annoyed with ppl in this channel at times than the complete idiots that stumble in here and ask questions that make me fear leaving the house
half walrus
but i was an ass 2 years ago so im not allowed to complain about that
lime pivot
I think it's gotten better because jb dev is considerably more accessible
half walrus
home
half walrus
I think it's gotten *better* because jb dev is considerably more accessible
especially now that you can do it in JS
hopefully swift joins that club too
lime pivot
there's no more neckbeard IRC shit with a janky af web IRC client that disconnects when you switch mobile safari tabs or shitty native IRC clients that are like $4 and still disconnect when you switch away for 2 minutes
half walrus
nothing makes me feel more like a developer than neckbeard IRC shit
lime pivot
theos at least now tells you how to install it properly rather than being some random set of cobbled together instructions
half walrus
.
primal perch
nothing makes me feel more like a developer than using microsofts own command set on cmd.exe
lime pivot
usually associated with zips of some guy's theos setup that's like 200 commits behind and has patches he hasn't explained the purpose of
half walrus
did it get improved much any @ kirb
lime pivot
well
lime pivot
well since then no
half walrus
leaves some to be desired
lime pivot
since the start of the decade yes
half walrus
(from the perspective of someone obsessed with the topic though)
gotta remind myself nobody else cares as much as i do lol
primal perch
someone probably does
but the odds of them caring that much and doing jb dev are low
lime pivot
I mean it was abandoned by like 2013 with 2 fatal issues
- arm64 happened, and Theos would go "fuck is an arm64" and terminate if you ran it on your new iPhone 5s
- one of the last commits DHowett did was very broken with multi-arch compilation, so people had like 5 different ways of disabling that broken logic
half walrus
unsure if this applies to theos but i was able to remove dependency on filesystem location and environment variables entirely by replacing $DRAGONBUILD with this
regardless of how it got called this'll find the location of itself
lime pivot
bonus 3. everyone was cobbling together a master repo of headers and dylibs needed for linking, plus for non-Mac users you'd download toolchains and SDKs from some sketchy dude's site who promises this zip of hundreds of mach-o's is definitely legit
half walrus
I mean it was abandoned by like 2013 with 2 fatal issues
1. arm64 happened, and ...
should've died like substrate somewhat has
lime pivot
I already had a headers repo and that became the official Theos headers repo kinda by accident
well my fork of Theos became the official Theos by accident
half walrus
bonus 3. everyone was cobbling together a master repo of headers and dylibs need...
is the current state much better
primal perch
young kirb
half walrus
or coolstar
lime pivot
DHowett literally just went "hey do you want to take over maintaining theos" and gave me the keys to the repo 
half walrus
bc now i know u were the one who didn't burn it down when it should've been cast into the volcano
primal perch
shouldnt have killed golum earlier
lime pivot
it was like, not expected, I figured it was still "his baby" and he'd never give up ownership
lime pivot
bc now i know u were the one who didn't burn it down when it should've been cast...
lollll I had no clue what I was getting into honestly
primal perch
idk how its even spelled now probably golum
lime pivot
I was so oblivious to how many things were bad about it back then
half walrus
like i mean props for seeing the codebase and saying
"sure"
and then following through
lime pivot
I had literally no clue the -j flag exists and that it makes compiles go brrr
half walrus
i've made multiple attempts to contribute to theos
half walrus
each ends with me just yelling in this channel
lime pivot
I mean my devices at the time were an iPhone 5 (dual-core), iPad 1 (single-core), and an i3 laptop (dual-core)
so an almost-2x boost was a bit like eh
half walrus
bc i theorise "how could i do this", go to do it, and every time i underestimate just how
lime pivot
now I'm on 16 cores and that's very much not like eh
half walrus
unbelievable it is
lime pivot
lmao, that's a DHowett-ism for sure
half walrus
i stole that
lime pivot
it has something in it
idk why we removed it
I mean I hate that xml syntax so much but I'd be able to translate it to markdown with a bit of regex
primal perch
wow dhowett is the main contributor to the new microsoft terminal
half walrus
of all people why was i the one who had to polish that
primal perch
very cool
half walrus
i hate bitching and not doing and that was a thing i could actually do so i tried to fix up the docs there a little bit
lime pivot
wow dhowett is the main contributor to the new microsoft terminal
he also previously worked on WinObjC before Microsoft realised it for the dead end it was
lime pivot
the disaster project where they spent countless manhours implementing the entire iOS SDK API surface using Windows RT/Metro APIs
half walrus
given the site administrator left the community after leaving us the project i so dearly love 'theos'
primal perch
the disaster project where they spent countless manhours implementing the entire...
If only that survived
lime pivot
last I remember, they only got as far as implementing all of iOS 3.2 API
primal perch
half walrus
lowkey wish i could just buy the site from him
lime pivot
and sufficient amounts of newer APIs that helped most apps at least be somewhat portable in the way of being littered with thousands of #ifdef WINDOWS everywhere
half walrus
reported an issue with an exact set of instructions and code for how to fix the issue
twice
told twice it'd be done the next day
half walrus
nada
lime pivot
I'm still really really wishing for MediaWiki to wake tf up and just switch to Markdown like the rest of the world
or
half walrus
and its hard for me to want to contribute to a wiki knowing the owner left the community an era ago and doesn't care about it whatsoever
:|
lime pivot
at least not make MediaWiki feel like a clunky program a few dudes wrote from the ground up back in like 2006 and have just been making minor improvements to since
half walrus
I'm still really really wishing for MediaWiki to wake tf up and just switch to M...
mediawiki can support markdown syntax
lime pivot
yeah but it should be native
primal perch
Dated and even somewhat clunky isn’t always bad though
lime pivot
and (probably pushing my luck with a project as clunky as MediaWiki) the default wiki syntax
half walrus
it's incredibly easy to install the extension
primal perch
It beats a half implemented modern Alternative
half walrus
but yet again, the admin abandoned the site
lime pivot
I had to set up a test mediawiki install a few years ago and found it amusing that they now ship it with multiple community-built extensions
primal perch
@narrow mason
lime pivot
instead of integrating them as first-class features, they just shoved in existing projects and called it a day
narrow mason
`
half walrus
so if anyone wants dark mode you're stuck with my own extension for the site or some global darkmode shit
even though
narrow mason
i killed shmoo and no one cares
twilit jungle
narrow mason
dgh0st literally just killed me
lime pivot
see, I have some power over iPhone Wiki because geohot one day decided I should be admin for some reason
half walrus
i wrote him an entire css sheet for darkmode at request after adding a theme was too much
and he didn't even implement that
narrow mason
hmm today capt will friend request t
lime pivot
I can stick fun shit in MediaWiki:Vector.css and .js
half walrus
been more than 6 months, still nothing aside from an "i'll get that taken care of tomorrow"
narrow mason
sounds like me in college
lime pivot
see, I have *some* power over iPhone Wiki because geohot one day decided I shoul...
I feel like there's some metaphor for Trump here
half walrus
so why contribute
lime pivot
luck and authority just falling in your lap even though you didn't earn it
half walrus
sweat your ass off and expect nothing
lime pivot
"tomorrow" in programmer speak means "never please go away"
half walrus
and you'll end up pleasantly surprised or exactly where you expected
half walrus
n dont ask for anything until people audibly wonder why you haven't gotten that thing yet
.
half walrus
alternatively u can just do something 10x better than the current person in charge could n make them look like an idiot if they dont pick u up
how to get on monstercat team 101
damn wait
yeah, from when i was on the mod team there
i'm the only person still on the mod team
lime pivot
completely unrelated but I'm cleaning up tabs and found this gem https://twitter.com/dmtrKovalenko/status/1309854060284186630
stupid useless drama in the javascript community
over date handling libraries
I love it
half walrus
unironically love that
undone nest
LMAOOOO
lime pivot
mind you date-fns is the one everyone drools over because it's the most minimal of them all
half walrus
whole 'someone cares way too much about some specific thing'
we all got that thing
n be passionate about it bc it'll benifit everyone
lime pivot
it's like if I told krit to gfy and blocked everywhere because she made a post about why dragon is better than theos
half walrus
and everyone will tell u to stfu bc nobody cares about the ideal philosophy for structuring a build system
half walrus
it's like if I told krit to gfy and blocked everywhere because she made a post a...
might be a little different because everyone i know who works on theos feels the same as i do about it
lime pivot
ya true lmao
half walrus
reminds me of sbingner and coolstar discussing advantages of their hooking libraries
esp when it comes down to implementation details
lime pivot
I didn't even think date-fns had any drama
narrow mason
undone nest
except hooking libraries are a bit more complicated than a date library
lime pivot
everyone just disliked how momentjs wasn't compatible with tree-shaking (only compiling in the functions you use)
undone nest
lime pivot
oh no it's mitchell
half walrus
like literally nobody knows what the fuck 'leaks pages' means in the context of substrate alternatives
narrow mason
its the turtle man
half walrus
other than 'leak' sounds bad
lime pivot
man his left hand was like, completely blue
and when asked he was like idk it's fine don't worry about it
half walrus
i clic shit run
narrow mason
hes like "im blue da ba dee da ba da"
half walrus
n man
nobody gave a shit about bootstraps
not a single soul
till hayden came around and gave a lot of shits
narrow mason
that made me remember just now
half walrus
i still dont give a shit but others very much do now
lime pivot
I think like, 3 people cared because they wanted a few updated packages and saurik just never updated anything
narrow mason
like i saw a tweet the other day from uhh litten i think
about “why are some tweaks paid but jailbreaks are free” that’s like
half walrus
i meant to bap her for that
narrow mason
uhh
lime pivot
so ok Electra bootstrap appeared with some but not all of an up-to-date bootstrap
narrow mason
idk but still
lime pivot
Sam was like I can do better and forked Telesphoreo to make Telesphoreo But 64-bit And Not Severely Out Of Date
lime pivot
then everyone wanted to 1-up each other on stupid details
narrow mason
Good enough but yeah
half walrus
they're both just as free
narrow mason
Like hmm litten
half walrus
you ever paid for windows?
half walrus
fairly sure i'm the only retard here who has
undone nest
lmao true
lime pivot
I don’t know how much I trust it, but Elu was supposedly not originally intended for uncover
lime pivot
uncover wasn’t even conceived yet
half walrus
that twitter hot take was clearly from someone who's does tweak dev entirely for clout
lime pivot
it was just some extra missing packages so you could have a dev environment with perl and make and clang and all that on Electra
half walrus
which is what i did for a year
valid venture
homebrew on iOS when
lime pivot
never
narrow mason
I don’t know of their work
lime pivot
stop
half walrus
but man, don't come at the rest of the developers because all you care about is being popular
fuck that
lime pivot
seek help
narrow mason
It is not something i care enough to put in my repo list
half walrus
you dont care about users or their wallets, you just want to feel like you're a better person than everyone else who sells paid stuff
valid venture
it’s the perfect idea, homebrew maintains the arm64 packages, ez ports and happy users
half walrus
if homebrew ever comes to ios i will
idk what i'm gonna do if homebrew comes to ios
i have borderline malware
lime pivot
keep Mike McQuaid as far away from this community as possible
half walrus
i will use it
valid venture
I’m waiting for someone to figure M1 on qemu and that’s should be easier to do
narrow mason
For one second