development

[edgy cape]

actually

since yall are somewhat smart and know arm

should i post this firmware here

never got it to post

white screen memory overflow

no ui

its a non retail os

[lime pivot]

nano 3rd gen could be dead nand or something, it bootloops on apple logo and just fails to restore firmware on win or mac

[edgy cape]

use dfu restore

on them

or u could use the jank code i made out of a dfu exploit for a iphone to upload a dfu to the ipod

XD

[lime pivot]

think I did? is center + menu just recovery not DFU?

man please don't tell me the iPhone DFU sequence works on an iPod lmao that'd be amazing

[edgy cape]

center menu ? held down black screen ?

uhhh

it does

kirb

sorta

[lime pivot]

my god I need to try this

[edgy cape]

lemme grab the code

well its similar to iphones

tho the .dfu files are non existant

so i ripped a few off apples server for people to use

XD

[lime pivot]

hah, ok I see

[edgy cape]

thats how i upload

dfu files

to a nano and classic

to fix them

[lime pivot]

not sure how the mods feel about it but honestly it's been 15 years, I'd doubt Apple cares unless it has IP secrets like unobfuscated/non-stripped codecs

ones they could be sued over I guess

[edgy cape]

all of ipod 5.5 and 5g are not encrypted

aside the aupd has a rc4 key

for the header

no clue whats in it kirb

its meant for apple techs

to scan the ipods for faults

[lime pivot]

that makes sense

could be that it hangs on white screen waiting for an external diagnostic accessory?

[edgy cape]

probably

tbh

like i document

everything

@lime pivot i just dont have the code knowledge on how to apply them

@lime pivot u want to know more about ipods ?

https://github.com/Xlinka/iPodReverseEngineering some nice files on my github

[lime pivot]

unfortunately I'm probably not the guy who could put something together either

but I'm definitely curious

[edgy cape]

slowly been gathering datasheets

damn hard to get hold of them

ngl i dont feel like i belong here with you lot but @faint timber seems very smart compared to me XD

like this server is mostly iphones

im probs the only one that cares about these

@lime pivot ngl if i couldnt find anyone to help i was going to desolder my ram chip and put it on a daughter board

and solder a memory reader to it

but thats my last resort

[faint timber]

Been doing this for 4 years

But I’ve been jailbreak for over 10

[edgy cape]

damn

like i dont even know how i got 1.3 to patch i just did process of elimination

while looking at patched 1.2.1

and tried to find a similar pattern in 1.3

@faint timber would u know how to get the aes keys out of the ipods XD

for the firmware on the samsung ones

[faint timber]

Prob

[edgy cape]

cus thats been the issue for years

[faint timber]

Which iPod

[edgy cape]

the classics or nanos

s5l8702 based

the problem with them is that so far we have used a seperate bootloader and loaded that into ram over pwnage 2.0

no one botherd to decrypt the original

or find the keys

so we can patch its firmware

so the classics and nanos this whole time have had no themes for them or cracked games

2 sec if your willing to help i got some files that might help u

wait should i send u the files in dm ?

incase

@faint timber

[tepid olive]

[grim sparrow]

Kind of not really

[misty cradle]

What is happening to bitcoin

34k now

Almost 35k

[burnt niche]

Now i see what u guys were talking about holy fuck. Ghidra ugly asf

[edgy cape]

ghidra has nice tools terrible ui

[burnt niche]

Damn only if it looked like hopper

[edgy cape]

if only

[burnt niche]

The way its built is trash. Do they even update this shit?

[edgy cape]

ghidra is a tool the nsa built

it was discontiuned

obviously they have something nicer now

@burnt niche

[burnt niche]

Damn they probably do

[steady nest]

you need to find aes_crypto_cmd and feed it the encrypted keybag

it’s in either the rom or iboot

[edgy cape]

@steady nest its not like iboot is the issue

i wish it was as nice

[burnt niche]

Doesn’t ipod nano have something called rockbox?

[edgy cape]

ah yes

the rockbox

not nano 3g no on botherd to port it

uhh the thing about that it uses a custom bootloader for it

custom made

[burnt niche]

Its open source?

Oh damn

[edgy cape]

yes

it uses pwnage 2.0

to load a custom efi bootloader

[burnt niche]

Nice

[edgy cape]

to load the .rockbox into the boot address

but the custom bootloader was encrypted by just uploading it to the ipod and letting the ipod do it

no one knows the key

[burnt niche]

That shots confusing

[steady nest]

well you gotta write a new payload then

[edgy cape]

and its been the same bootloader since 2007 never updated as the person who made the ipod encrypt it has dissapeard completly

[burnt niche]

Would you use hopper or ghidra if u had to pick

[edgy cape]

i use ida

[burnt niche]

Latest?

[edgy cape]

7.5

since joe asked me

to

[burnt niche]

Windows?

[edgy cape]

yeh

well my machine isnt windows

[burnt niche]

Lol

[edgy cape]

but yeh im on windows

[burnt niche]

On mac?

Nice

[edgy cape]

uhh no

my machine main os boot is arch

[burnt niche]

My main is windows n my second is opencore

Mac os

[edgy cape]

but like

im using LFS

XD

my pc is running two kernals in parallel to one another

its complicated and annoying

[burnt niche]

@edgy cape did u pay for ida pro or is it redacted

[edgy cape]

uhh

[burnt niche]

[edgy cape]

i patched ida with the ida 7 i had

lmao

using ida to patch ida is a bit ironic

[burnt niche]

How do you do that?

[edgy cape]

its buggy but u basically just tell it to ignore the sign in thing and nop out the key check completly

[burnt niche]

I wish i could get it on a mac.🤕

[edgy cape]

so it just loads the start of the program

instead of the other things

but it does lead to some bugs

[edgy cape]

replying to this wdym find that line

in where

[burnt niche]

If u had hopper paid. Would you use that instead?

[edgy cape]

thing is

it uses a verify similar to the 8900

[burnt niche]

How do you handle being on windows

I cant stand it

[edgy cape]

its jsut windows

its a os it runs

does thigns i need it to

[burnt niche]

I get a bsod every time i use it

Ironically my opencore runs perfectly

[edgy cape]

honestly i have no clue what im looking for

[burnt niche]

Make RBos 14

Rockbox os

[edgy cape]

??

rockbox is a buggy mess

[steady nest]

rom in your case

[edgy cape]

this is the bootrom

[steady nest]

?

[burnt niche]

he said its the bootrom

[edgy cape]

the file im looking at

[burnt niche]

Bruh las vegas is so fuckin dope

[steady nest]

yes, it’s in the bootrom

[burnt niche]

Im in a hotel rn i can see the entire strip from the bed

[edgy cape]

yeh no aes_crypto_cmd

[steady nest]

obviously not symbolicated 😛

[edgy cape]

all i got

all i know the ipods used rtxcbug

for debugging

[steady nest]

that’s it

different name though

[edgy cape]

which one

[steady nest]

aes decrypt

[steady nest]

aes hard should be related to aes_hw_crypto_cmd

so 6 args?

[edgy cape]

just poking around

this is for the Classic 6th gen

@steady nest u want it to have a poke at ?

[tepid olive]

@edgy cape kinda wanna try reversing a firmware, do you know where i could get a nano 3 dump?

[edgy cape]

i think im the only one with one

XD

also theres a EFI section

[tepid olive]

lol

[edgy cape]

that has some aes

stuff

[tepid olive]

yeah i saw the wiki stuff briefly

[edgy cape]

imagine not removing build strings

stupid apple

[tepid olive]

how do you dump it?

[edgy cape]

i got it from someone

[tepid olive]

do you download it off apple or do you need an exploit

ok

[edgy cape]

no clue how he got

said something about soldering

and removing chips

and sent me all the fials

[tepid olive]

oh that's efi firmware

[edgy cape]

yeah

the classic and nanos

use efi

[tepid olive]

is the actual os available

[edgy cape]

??

like source ?

[tepid olive]

no

[edgy cape]

im confused

[tepid olive]

the GUI stuff

is there a ipsw-like firmware?

[edgy cape]

oh they use ipsw

but theres only a bin file

no dmg

not like iphones

its all hidden

XD

[tepid olive]

that's what i wanna reverse, or try

[edgy cape]

these motherfuckers are more secure than iphones and it botthers me

[tepid olive]

interesting

[edgy cape]

@tepid olive the ipsw only contains visual elements inside resources/ui/silvver blah blah bin

but if u dump the nor u get stuff like this

since these images arnt in the silver file

[tepid olive]

mhm

[edgy cape]

the silver file is encrypted

XD

so getting ui elements

is a no go

go

[tepid olive]

so the recovery firmware updates or not

[edgy cape]

the recovery is basically a dfu

[tepid olive]

couldn't you do a dfu restore on the iPod and intercept the files

ok nvm

it's https anyways

[edgy cape]

😉

dfu for nano 3g

[tepid olive]

lol

[edgy cape]

i think the 6th gen uses same one

[tepid olive]

since rockbox isn't there i couldn't find a way to get click wheel games

bummer

iQuiz and Vortex are getting old

[edgy cape]

oh yeah thats a decrypted dfu...

oh well

it lists all supported devices

@tepid olive vortex and iquiz was dumped in 2007

u can play them on patched firmware

[tepid olive]

i know, i have them

[edgy cape]

not on classic

or nanos

just ipod video

[tepid olive]

yeah that's my problem lol

idk if i wanna get a video

might be cool ig

[edgy cape]

thing is

in nano 3g

and classic

this is allways listed

in the dfu

mode

[tardy narwhal]

what happened to coherent sentences, is sending lots of messages with 3 words max the new way to communicate

[edgy cape]

yes.

sorry i dont mean to do that its just im switching between things fast rn

[tepid olive]

really wanna get a 3rd gen since they're my favorite model

and i kinda find the 5th gen ugly

[tardy narwhal]

i mean i don’t really have a problem with that it’s just very atrocious to read if anyone wants to follow the conversation along.

[edgy cape]

honestly. i make no sense as it is.

[tardy narwhal]

I guess if that’s your perception then you probably shouldn’t message at all as logical conclusion until you “make sense”

[tepid olive]

what do
you mean?
it is very
easy to follow

cause it was spaced out in a way that broke the flow of the sentence

😏

LMAO

someone is selling a 7th gen classic for 400 bucks

😩

😩

and someone else is selling a 6th gen touch for 45 bucks

h o w

[edgy cape]

i blame dankpods for the price skyrocket

[tepid olive]

yea it's locally

found a 1st gen touch for 20 bucks

i'd cop but idk

kinda wanna experience iOS 1, 2 and 3

and have a good mp3 player

😩

wtf

did the 1G even have signing

sus

choice between 4 and 5

[tepid olive]

not like it matters, it has a bootrom exploit

[tepid olive]

No

It didn't get added until 3GS

But with both 3G and 2G (original iPhone) you gotta restore it with iTunes while in pwnedDFU

But with 3G at least it's very difficult to enter pwnedDFU cause iTunes will kick it into WTF mode

At one point I got my 3G downgraded to iOS 2 and then it bootlooped

And it's got a broken home button so I can't unbootloop it

[half walrus]

can’t u tear the glass out and just press it manually

or worst case pull out the cable and use a pair of tweezers to bridge the contacts idk

[tepid olive]

Uh, yeah I guess, I never thought about that tbh

[half walrus]

only truly borked home button is on the 7/8 cuz they’re software

[tepid olive]

Ok, time to get cracking on uikittools, I need a better way to determine if an app is removable

[half walrus]

what are u doing rn

[tepid olive]

@interface LSApplicationProxy : LSBundleProxy
-(BOOL)isRemoveableSystemApp;
@end

[half walrus]

whelp

that was gonna be my suggestion lol

[tepid olive]

but it doesnt seem to work, if I do com.apple.tips it says it isnt removeable

[half walrus]

i mean isn't it not removable

i'm 90% sure they stay pre-loaded

despite being cosmetically removable

[tepid olive]

so whats a removeable system app?

imovie?

[half walrus]

what returns true when you call that?

is that what you use on regular apps?

[primal perch]

Look for isDeletable

[tepid olive]

ooh

[primal perch]

I think that’s what you want

[tepid olive]

thank you

[half walrus]

-(BOOL)isNotRemovable;

./shrug

[tepid olive]

my mouse died

[half walrus]

not seeing this in LSApplicationProxy

[tepid olive]

Cameron on da uikittools

What will he make

[tepid olive]

i do

its in there

[half walrus]

in flex or headers

[tepid olive]

headers

https://developer.limneos.net/?ios=13.1.3&framework=CoreServices.framework&header=LSApplicationProxy.h

[primal perch]

@property (getter=isDeletable,nonatomic,readonly) BOOL deletable;

[half walrus]

it's not there on 14

[primal perch]

L

[tepid olive]

really?

[half walrus]

there's -(BOOL)isDeletableIgnoringRestrictions; tho

[tepid olive]

yeah i saw that

[half walrus]

jury not back on what restrictions are

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

see if isNotRemovable returns what you want

[tepid olive]

I dont see isNotRemovable

[half walrus]

wonderful world of version specific apis

there's still a deletable property on 14

but it's just nil on every object

no getter/setter

isNotRemovable returns properly on the Health app

[tepid olive]

hm, yeah isDeletable def isnt on 14

[half walrus]

k it returns the same thing for the Spotlight app

so nvm on that one

well

SBApplication has an uninstallSupported property

[tepid olive]

isDeletable is working on 14 and does what I want

[half walrus]

neat

good ol flex

[tepid olive]

Is it working on

12

iPhone:~ mobile% uicache -i org.coolstar.SileoStore
Name: Sileo
BundleID: org.coolstar.SileoStore
Path: /Applications/Sileo.app
Container: /var/mobile
VendorName: (null)
TeamID: 0000000000
Type: System
Removeable: 0
URLScheme: sileo
URLScheme: cydia

iPhone:~ mobile% uicache -i com.apple.podcasts     
Name: Podcasts
BundleID: com.apple.podcasts
Path: /private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/99D00799-FD75-4537-9845-20B6B94AC89B/Podcasts.app
Container: /private/var/mobile/Containers/Data/Application/FD3A361A-0970-41BB-BE4D-3031C58A20B4
VendorName: (null)
TeamID: 243LU875E5
Type: System
Removeable: 1
URLScheme: itms-podcasts
URLScheme: itms-pcast
URLScheme: pcast
URLScheme: podcast
URLScheme: podcasts
URLScheme: itms-podcast
URLScheme: itms-pcasts

[half walrus]

probably

[tepid olive]

test phone is boutta die, fuck

[half walrus]

so u basically just moved appinfo into uicache and then added more stuff to it

[tepid olive]

just gotta format it as true/false instead of 1/0

Hes been working on this since before appinfo

[tepid olive]

but i had the idea a while ago

[half walrus]

woeis

https://github.com/dragonbuild/appinfo

i need to finish this

some shit broke

fuckin C

sneeze on the buffer wrong and stdout goes nuts

if that stuff gets pushed across common jailbreaks i may just switch to it so i can get the decryptor running again

[tepid olive]

ok, its all done now

[tepid olive]

if sbingner follows suit, which based on his earlier statements he will

[tepid olive]

wait, you made an appinfo too...

[half walrus]

oh did someone else make one

[tepid olive]

#development message

sbingner did yesterday

[primal perch]

[tepid olive]

and he said he might add it to uikittools which made me remember this idea

[half walrus]

holy shit lol

@upbeat wyvern https://github.com/DragonBuild/appinfo/blob/main/appinfo.mm

same idea different times

mine was written in november

[tepid olive]

its a great idea

i had the idea like two weeks ago

[half walrus]

ha

i win now i will dmca u

[tepid olive]

it seems like a while ago

[half walrus]

prepare to tweet angrily

[tepid olive]

i didnt steal your code

i didnt even know you made an appinfo

[half walrus]

doesn't matter in this community anymore

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

dmca means i win u lose

[tepid olive]

add a license

[half walrus]

there are no negative repercussions to this behavior

[tepid olive]

tf you doing with unlicensed code

[half walrus]

it's licensed afaik

[tepid olive]

no

[tepid olive]

True

well, its copyrighted

Copyright law type beat

[half walrus]

oh you right i specifically exempted submodules from the license

oop

[tepid olive]

Unlicensed means ARR

not quite, publishing on github gives the right to fork, even if copyrighted

[half walrus]

which means absolutely nothing yes

[tepid olive]

forking yes, but not modifying it or redistributing it outside GH

[half walrus]

i have the right to download your profile image, and to redistribute it for parody / where it's covered by fair use, but in terms of copyright law that's as far as i can go

https://github.com/DragonBuild/appinfo/blob/main/LICENSE

here's ur license

[tepid olive]

dragon license

[half walrus]

using it in uikittools would essentially exempt it from any copyright restrictions

as it constitutes a project larger than just my own code

[tepid olive]

i dont want your code anyway 😤

why is the quoted part properly capitalized but the rest isn't

[half walrus]

cuz i did it that way

quoted part doesn't matter

its just there so i can try and explain the basics of the license

it's incredibly permissive but doesn't seem like it at first read

[tepid olive]

its a good license

I've grown partial to FreeBSD license

the file says

// creative commons blah blah

CC isn't well suited for code anyway

[half walrus]

this is just bsd 2 clause with my own exemptions written in pretty much

as in

if you grupi my code, the name of your project should indicate so

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

if you take my project and expand on it i still get credited

if you take my project and shove parts or all of it into something like UIKitTools, ur good

[tepid olive]

https://github.com/Diatrus/uikittools-ng/pull/5

[half walrus]

take a whole file and it needs to maintain any copyright header

which i rarely have lol

[tepid olive]

you cant do monospace in the PR title

[half walrus]

-L

[tepid olive]

@tepid olive what ios versions did you test

14

Test on 12

If you have one

i dont have a 12 i dont think

[half walrus]

who has 12 anymore

[tepid olive]

wait

i do

I do somewhere

[half walrus]

i'd spin up corellium but

[tepid olive]

In a drawer

[half walrus]

sadcat

[tepid olive]

its dead

Im gonna go lift some weights

Bbl

[primal perch]

True

[half walrus]

he's gonna return to crush ur puny pull request

[tepid olive]

My 12 phone

[half walrus]

[$200] light scratches still works

[tepid olive]

its been dead for the better part of a year

I have dumped ios 11 blobs for it too

[half walrus]

maybe it's not

don't know how u can tell with that screen

miracle that mf still works

[tepid olive]

My iOS 13 phone

[half walrus]

https://www.google.com/search?q=phone+case

[tepid olive]

And finally, minecursus

pieces of glass have fallen out of the ipad while using it

[half walrus]

do you live in an entirely hardwood floored house

[tepid olive]

after it got cracked water got poured on it too

[tepid olive]

none of those were mine

[half walrus]

ok good

i don't get how ppl can be that careless

shits expensive

[tepid olive]

the ipad was my brothers, he dropped it on the driveway

the 6 fell out of a pocket in an airport bathroom

[half walrus]

like i carry my laptop like a dumbass but i hold onto it for dear life

[tepid olive]

wtf did you do

the 6s was my cousins, and if you know her thats enough explanation

how are you mfers literally destroying your devices

[half walrus]

bro he literally

like that's not even a 'scroll up' its right there

he just told u

[tepid olive]

Apple clang version 12.0.0 (clang-1200.0.32.28)```

CLANG 12

MOMENT

[half walrus]

least concerning thing in that message

[tepid olive]

Apple clang version 11.0.3 (clang-1103.0.32.62)```

The only phone I've broken 😔, i forgot it was in my lap and stood up

better

[half walrus]

lol i need a 13.x 11 pro

[tepid olive]

Same

[half walrus]

"ur tweak is broken on arm64e"

[tepid olive]

I have a 14.1 Xr

[half walrus]

"oh no, anyways"

no way for me to test whatsoever

[tepid olive]

True

i gave my brother my xr because i bought an 11 pro

and i mean

so much better

totally worth it

oled screen alone was worth it

My Xr is good, it's got one little chip on the back cause it fell of the counter on to tile

[tepid olive]

actually my x got shit on now that i think about it

it was originally my dads but i took it because he didn't want it

the entire status bar is just

gone

removed

Wtf

not literally

like

its obliterated

its still physically there

limd isn't detecting my 6 that's in recovery

[half walrus]

what is limd

[tepid olive]

Had to run idevicerestore as sudo to detect it

libimobiledevice

[half walrus]

never seen that abbreviation

anyone in the mood for writing server code

[tepid olive]

[tardy narwhal]

what do you want to write

or rather achieve

[half walrus]

Not sure if most people remember but there was an old project I was loosely working on w/ nep + siguza + others

regarding brute forcing ECID

got to the point where we needed more (fresh) data on the pool of valid ECIDs which requires basically asking people to give their data

and everyone got too preoccupied at the time to get around to writing the device+server side implementation of that

[tardy narwhal]

well you could setup a simple webfront with an input form which validates the ecid by sending a request to apple’s warranty checker and seeing if it responds with 200 or not

easiest way to pool ecids with consent

[tepid olive]

How many ECIDs do you need?

[half walrus]

literally as many as possible

[tardy narwhal]

this should be a maximum 10 minute job though

[half walrus]

doesn't the warranty checker have a capatcha

[tepid olive]

I'll dm you like ~9 later today

just use something like deathbycaptcha/2captcha/9kw

[tardy narwhal]

yeah but you can easily circumvent that

[half walrus]

if they're from tsssaver we already have those

[tepid olive]

Nah, I don't save blobs for most of my devices

Cause I'm lazy

And most of the time they're useless

[tardy narwhal]

wdym you “already have those” btw

[tepid olive]

I used to save OTA blobs for my ATV4K even though it's basically useless

saving blobs

didn’t realize people actually do that

[half walrus]

i may be completely wrong cuz this is in july

[tepid olive]

blobs only came in handy one time but even then I could have just updated to 13.5 while it was signed because u0 0day

[half walrus]

i can't even remember if i had a list or the validation code

[tepid olive]

just decided to wait a bit because of Odyssey

[half walrus]

and it was probably the latter

[misty cradle]

[tardy narwhal]

can you publicly access arbitrary blobs on tsssaver

[half walrus]

no

well

[tepid olive]

if you know the ECID I guess?

[half walrus]

if you brute force by ecid

yes

[tepid olive]

u0 0day

[misty cradle]

[half walrus]

wel aktualy its not a zero day cuz it is a reGression ha

[misty cradle]

[tardy narwhal]

granted tsssaver’s layout I’m somewhat confused if that’s a undisclosed privacy breach or not since tsssaver saves them as <ecid>/<blobs> and having access to that information without anyone knowing seems worrying

[half walrus]

wasn't a privacy breech

[tardy narwhal]

that might’ve been the wrong wording but the point I was trying to make is did the public know some people apart from TSS maintainers have access to the ecid lot

[misty cradle]

[half walrus]

given none of the one person (myself) have that data anymore, no, nor do i see reason for that to really be an issue

[tardy narwhal]

I’m usually not someone that concerned about privacy but it’s still other people’s private device data you have / had access to which wasn’t publicly disclosed, which morally might be wrong but i guess that just depends

[grim sparrow]

Hello fellow developers, what are we developing today

[half walrus]

in terms of personally identifyable data, you already need root to see it, it's not even close to udid

which even udid isn't even a breach of privacy

[tardy narwhal]

Gdpr would disagree with you since ecids are unique to the device afaik and thus the owner of said device

[half walrus]

it's a hex number that could've been found by brute forcing the online gateway or reversing the validation code we already have

so i mean how far does it go

[tepid olive]

does github display repos in order of most commits?

[tardy narwhal]

brute forcing the number is different to having straightforward access to the data, neither being really ok

Art 6 section 1 (f) might got you covered on that though i guess

[half walrus]

impact of your ecid leaking being...

[tardy narwhal]

STOP EXPOSING ME!

[ashen birch]

BRO WTF

ban

[tepid olive]

rude

please stop @tepid olive

what

very rude

[tardy narwhal]

it’s unique to the device which makes it fall under gdpr’s regulation of personal unique data

[tepid olive]

leaking his ip

which dumbass moderator doesn't know that's localhost

bruh

[primal perch]

[tepid olive]

I had mc.procurs.us A record point to my public ip for a couple days

ik you did

i looked

So a simple dig would tell you my ip

yes it did

I have it redirecting through my VPS with socat now though

what did you do now

oh

[half walrus]

get the whole thing you're saying

[tepid olive]

that’s like, a good solution

cam

[half walrus]

which idk if their privacy policy covered it at the time

[tepid olive]

socat TCP4-LISTEN:25565 TPC4:xxx.xxxx.xxx.xxx:25565 or something like that, one for TCP one for UDP

Then an nginx setup to redirect http stuff to the disc invite

[half walrus]

but how far do you push it when it's a pool of numbers shared between two researchers to test a validation script for development of a public-use tool

[tardy narwhal]

Well granted TSS staff by definition see your ecid which excludes them but their site doesn’t list a policy for 3rd parties to access said data which is the concerning bit in the bigger picture, to which I take a conservative stance since if things are being developed for the community even as PoCs they have a right to know

doesn’t matter who you identify as, to TSSSaver you’re 3rd parties unless you’re staff

[tepid olive]

that's true

[half walrus]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt mesa]

hello

[half walrus]

can't remember if i even saw the data fwiw

just that a lot of it was trash

which is why the whole new 'gib data' thing was the next step

[tepid olive]

people should know putting their ECID in tsssaver could let others have it?

[half walrus]

and do what?

[tepid olive]

nothing lol

people would start drama off it if they knew

[gaunt mesa]

"says this in a public channel"

[half walrus]

doubt it honestly

[tardy narwhal]

didn’t mean to slam dunk hard on that point but I just find it very contradictory in this community at times that data and secrets get shared around without anyone knowing and it’s just tiresome that shit never changes. Yet the same people love to complain the community never moves forward

[half walrus]

haven't i complained about that multiple times tho

[tepid olive]

the jailbreak community can start drama off anything

[gaunt mesa]

well there's more to the community not moving forward than just that

[tardy narwhal]

correct

[half walrus]

how hard it is to do research for ios shit w/o having the right friends

[gaunt mesa]

true

[tardy narwhal]

Pretty alright if you’re dedicated enough to be fair

no one’s born a genius

you dig and work

[tepid olive]

still waiting for apple product security to reply to my email ._.

no it's not something that would lead to a jb

just bootloops devices

[half walrus]

i mean i'm agreeing with ur earlier point so

[tepid olive]

you know those fake cydia profiles
imagine they got a hold of the bootloop profile

true

[half walrus]

@lime pivot can't believe you complain about apple business practices but yet u use iphone

[gaunt mesa]

adam is sleeping

[half walrus]

adam doesn't sleep

[gaunt mesa]

3:30am

hes definetely sleeping

[tardy narwhal]

for one i wholeheartedly wish we’d get rid if the skiddies and fake jailbreak “devs”

[tepid olive]

Fine. I'll leave

[tardy narwhal]

shit’s been around so long it’s not even a funny meme anymore

[half walrus]

lord

always been in the 'skiddie' group here

[gaunt mesa]

hey guys check out my jailbreak

definetely not a fork of unc0ver

very original best stability guaranteed!

[tepid olive]

u0 dark 👀

uncummera

[tardy narwhal]

lmao not you, people like chris or whatever his name is who make permanent fake jailbreak projects and lead people on

hate that so much

[gaunt mesa]

clout chasers

[tepid olive]

(That's a joke, u0 dark was actually good)

[tepid olive]

at least that had a feature

[gaunt mesa]

u0 dark had sileo

[half walrus]

idk if this is directed at me but you can ask a few people who've repeatedly had to convince me to not leak shit cuz i don't like the whole 'secret circles' thing

[tepid olive]

wait the odyssey bs fork is filtered

lmaoo

[tepid olive]

Bro, Chris has had like 5 "jailbreaks" all "WIP" I completely forgot about him

[half walrus]

there's reasons you cant just put certain shit out there

[gaunt mesa]

tbh i don't think the skiddies is as bad as the bigger issues here

[tardy narwhal]

No it’s not directly towards you but if you’re in the target then you can feel it directed towards you

[tepid olive]

work on elixir with plank but plank doesn't deactivate challenge

[gaunt mesa]

mostly the fight between centralization and freedom

[half walrus]

idk who it's directed at lol

[gaunt mesa]

stop

whoever is doing that

[tardy narwhal]

Lmao skiddies are a major issue, half the rjb followers are barely able to pull longs from their devices, if someone yells “jelbrek A12+ 14+” they’ll come flying to suck your dick

[tepid olive]

Keep on hitting the filter

[gaunt mesa]

TRUE

[tardy narwhal]

and that causes unnecessary uproar and tumults

[half walrus]

who cares tho

tiny little microcosm

[gaunt mesa]

the biggest issue tho is the radicalization of both sides of this community

[half walrus]

of the community

[gaunt mesa]

in my opinion

[half walrus]

the biggest issue in the jb community is people who think they understand the biggest issue in the jb community

hot take

[tepid olive]

waiting (im)patiently for Apple to do something

maybe we get 14.4 beta 2 tomorrow

[gaunt mesa]

bullying /s

[tepid olive]

I wonder if they'll unsign 14.2 finally or not yet

kinda wanted fugu to take off properly

[tardy narwhal]

lmao there are definitely very apparent reasons but there is no helping 9 year old john wanting to hack subway surfers for them spicy coins

[half walrus]

ask 10 people get 10 opinions

[tardy narwhal]

and going to hyi or whatever

[half walrus]

ask 20 get 20 opinions

cuz it's a complex community

80% of it doesn't speak english

[gaunt mesa]

TRUE

[tardy narwhal]

It’s very simple if you boil it down to the basics

[tepid olive]

Dude, fugu and checkra1n are gonna die, there's no avoiding that

[tepid olive]

yup

[gaunt mesa]

i believe another major jailbreak is just gonna lead to more fragmentation

[tepid olive]

It doesn't have the footing to take off

[gaunt mesa]

i doubt checkra1n will die

atleast for a long time

[tepid olive]

[tardy narwhal]

the real complexity is interpreting that rjb was different and thus giving the people a layer of complexity and individualism which isn’t there

you know it’s the same old

[tepid olive]

true, but fugu would have been cool to fullfill its open source checkm8 jb goal

[gaunt mesa]

i hope checkra1n gets open sourced soon

[tepid olive]

oh fuck i have an hour to eat and go back to class

[half walrus]

i mean at its essence

[tepid olive]

adios

[half walrus]

when it comes to devs vs users

[tepid olive]

lmao

Look how bad checkra1n team messed up 14, what do you thinks gonna happen with 15? 16? The checkra1n team doesn't even really care about their users

[half walrus]

it's a model that works in a centralized setting

which this is not

[gaunt mesa]

when it comes to devs vs users, devs are robots that aren't allowed to have feelings and rights

[half walrus]

regulated entirely by public opinion

[tepid olive]

And what are users?

[gaunt mesa]

idk

users are just complicated

[tardy narwhal]

the problem is the userbase in most cases, they’ll harass you to death if you don’t provide and someone else does, you suddenly turn into the asshole

[gaunt mesa]

^^ ok yeah

[half walrus]

if u listen to the wrong people yeah

namely reddit

which is just

reddit

do not miss that sub for a second

[tardy narwhal]

twitter isn’t different, the replies on some posts/ release posts is disgusting

[upbeat wyvern]

@half walrus lol same name even

[half walrus]

i mean tbf

it gets appinfo

what else u gonna call it

[upbeat wyvern]

Yeah

[tepid olive]

infoaboutapp or uicache -i

I'm partial to infoaboutapp

[gaunt mesa]

wtf bingner is alive

hello sam

[half walrus]

false

[gaunt mesa]

!

[half walrus]

bingner died 3 years ago

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

RIP

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

i remember when was new

[half walrus]

@tardy narwhal i'm going through logs and i didn't even have the files myself

[gaunt mesa]

now its probably the most used emote in every jailbreak server

[half walrus]

just the validation script + about 30 pooled from our own actual devices

and i can't even find those rn lol

gdi

[tepid olive]

remember when was used a ton

[tardy narwhal]

lmao all good, again was just saying in general if it were the case and implications from my side

[half walrus]

yep, tricky situation there ig but in terms of people who'd actually object to that

the only ones who would care are uninformed people told to be mad by someone starting drama

[tardy narwhal]

Well if I’d known I’d have tweeted it out to get attention to it because it’s unacceptable

[half walrus]

or yeah, people who pick really random things to be super firm on while ignoring the rest of the similar situations they encounter

[gaunt mesa]

@tardy narwhal would u mind if i hosted an instance of https://headers.saadat.dev/ myself

cuz i see the github repo doesn't have a license

[tardy narwhal]

are you sure there’s no license

[tepid olive]

there is, just no license file so github doesn't detect it

"THIS PROJECT IS LICENSED UNDER THE AGPLv3"

[gaunt mesa]

well there isn't a file

lemme check the actual code

[tardy narwhal]

oh lmao, ggwp

[tepid olive]

https://github.com/mass1ve-err0r/HeadsInTheCloud#license

[gaunt mesa]

oh u mentioned it in the readme

at the bottom

but didn't include an actual license file

alright that works tho

[tepid olive]

Whats the difference between internally and externally?

<small><small><small>this project is licensed under the agplv3</small></small></small>

[gaunt mesa]

small small

[tardy narwhal]

yeah sure if you want to go ahead though, it’s Open sauce so people can host it themselves if they want to and improve on.
I’m revamping most of the project currently, so you can update later to a faster variant as well👍🏽😊

[half walrus]

in what scope

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

you might consult a dictionary

[tepid olive]

Ones internal other external

[gaunt mesa]

ooh

[tepid olive]

The website doesn't work

[gaunt mesa]

yeah its been down for a while

[tepid olive]

How dose external tweaks work on ios?

[gaunt mesa]

i host a local version myself

[tardy narwhal]

I’m not sure if it’s just a petty counter argument or not but I’ll have you know that for my part I do report instances of privacy related issues.

[gaunt mesa]

but i wasn't sure if i was allowed to make a public facing instance of it

[tardy narwhal]

yeah it’s been down because i switched hosts and haven’t finished a rewrite just yet

[tepid olive]

Give an example of an "external tweak" I do not understand what you mean

[tardy narwhal]

but please do make mirrors and do as you please, it’s open sauce so all good!

@gaunt mesa

[tepid olive]

Lmao idk anymore these kids been telling me they are making external tweak

[tardy narwhal]

just remember to later update to the faster alternative, got major speed improvements coming

[tepid olive]

 apparently it runs in background

A daemon?

[gaunt mesa]

thanks saadat

[tardy narwhal]

np

[gaunt mesa]

yeah ill make a public one that'll have all of my patched SDKs for people

cuz the limneos one is fine its just a bit slow

[tardy narwhal]

yeah that was my reason as well to make the clone lmao

i did like his logify thingy, that’s coming as well

[tepid olive]

breh said its on springboard reading apps memory

[gaunt mesa]

yeah the logify thing is cool

[tepid olive]

He's just talking out of his ass, I don't really care

[half walrus]

[tardy narwhal]

that would probably be my horrendous product lmao

https://github.com/mass1ve-err0r/HeadsInTheCloud

[tepid olive]

Do you just cock your head to the side in all you pfp's?

lol the jarvis dev pushed an update saying: lowers device heat

Lol

Tilt head left

[tepid olive]

jarvis clown

[half walrus]

i mean have u ever seen someone with their head perfectly straight

in a pfp

that sounds horrifying

[tardy narwhal]

yes, I really have no other way to take pfp’s

[tepid olive]

some person is currently mentioning how good it is on reddit

[tepid olive]

Yes

[tardy narwhal]

like I just don’t know how selfies work

[half walrus]

mood

[tardy narwhal]

and i have 1 angle that i look good in lmao

[tepid olive]

it’s like LQ early stage tweaks but next level

[tepid olive]

But he's in the exact same pose in both pics I just thought it was funny

i’m visually impaired and one eye is stronger than the other so i’ve always cocked my head to the side

i’m like a fucking bird

[half walrus]

don't call me out like this pls

[tardy narwhal]

it’s automagically done bro

[half walrus]

literally have one angle

if you see me in another angle it's photoshop

[tepid olive]

Mirroring picture time

[half walrus]

[tardy narwhal]

@tepid olive i can hit you with a duckface pic doe

[half walrus]

why tf was i tryna figure out how to

get udid/etc code

cc @gaunt mesa who understands why i just wasted 30 minutes of my life

[tepid olive]

[tardy narwhal]

@tepid olive don’t mind the blue thing, was after i took a shit

bathroom vibes

[tepid olive]

Bruh can i share a Twitter post?

[gaunt mesa]

LOL mood

[half walrus]

you can click the share icon and click <copy link> to share it

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

if ur asking permission, nobody is in charge here

[gaunt mesa]

when i took my macbook to the genius bar yesterday it was burning

[tepid olive]

how

[gaunt mesa]

i opened it and it turned out i left 2 simulators running

[tepid olive]

twitter is so bad

[cold crane]

lmao

[tepid olive]

why genius bar

[gaunt mesa]

and it was running code that i hadn't put the release statements in yet

i needed to get my screen replaces

[half walrus]

hot take man

[tepid olive]

tf

[tardy narwhal]

LMAO i see you sir @twilit jungle

[tepid olive]

you broke it

[tardy narwhal]

gm

[tepid olive]

twitter

twitter is cringe

Y they gotta get into politics and sh

[gaunt mesa]

no i didn't break it

if i broke it it wouldn't be covered under warranty

[tepid olive]

bunch of idiots babbling on about shit

twitter in a nutshell

[half walrus]

lol

cuz this discord isn't

yeah

[tepid olive]

do you have applecare

Look what twitter did

[gaunt mesa]

yeah i have applecare+

[tepid olive]

i mean their opinions

[gaunt mesa]

but that doesn't cover it

[tepid olive]

good move

twitter is all opinions

so boring

they always doing this shi

[half walrus]

and this discord isn't?

[gaunt mesa]

the genius bar was so fast

i literally went there

disabled find my mac

and left

[tardy narwhal]

wdym, imagine reading opinions

overrated

[gaunt mesa]

imagine letting people have opinions

pshh opinions are overrated

[tepid olive]

most people don’t express their shitty opinions on discord

so

I don't have opinions, cause everything I say is fact

[half walrus]

huh

what

[tepid olive]

bought my mac in 5 minutes due to covid, can confirm they can’t be slow

twitter is more opinion based than discord

[tepid olive]

they don’t have to give their opinions

[half walrus]

what

[tardy narwhal]

the whoosh

[tepid olive]

@tepid olive did you get filtered?

yes

[tardy narwhal]

is strong

[tepid olive]

no

[gaunt mesa]

what does that even mean

[tepid olive]

i didn’t get filtered

they are saying its false that there was no fraud in the election even tho there was

[tepid olive]

twitter is literally all opinions

Ghost ping

[gaunt mesa]

and so is discord

they are both social platforms

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

all social platforms pretty much run on opinions

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

when u post troll emoji after saying something dumb

[gaunt mesa]

please no politics

[tepid olive]

[tardy narwhal]

is there a wind emoji

[gaunt mesa]

there was

[tepid olive]

here there is some info sharing and helping each other but twitter has none of that

[tardy narwhal]

🌬💨

oh beautiful

[tepid olive]

🌀

[gaunt mesa]

💨

💨

🌬️

[tepid olive]

🌬️

[half walrus]

:dash:

[tepid olive]

this channel 🌬️

[gaunt mesa]

u

[inner quail]

wtf

[gaunt mesa]

YO

YO

[inner quail]

bet

[tepid olive]

BRUH

[tardy narwhal]

LMAO BRO

[tepid olive]

WHO

[gaunt mesa]

chill

[tepid olive]

Rick ban

WHO TF

[gaunt mesa]

:uhh;

@tepid olive

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

we saw that

[tardy narwhal]

@tepid olive rip

[half walrus]

well

[tepid olive]

big F

[half walrus]

ima go get coffee

[gaunt mesa]

ima go eat

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

u all have fun

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

except for cameron

[tepid olive]

let me find the ban hammer

[tardy narwhal]

true homie just gave you 100pts

[inner quail]

Fuck

[tardy narwhal]

and that hot mute

[half walrus]

zoop

[tepid olive]

350 warn pts how

[half walrus]

zoooop

[tepid olive]

agreed

[tardy narwhal]

i love you rick😂

[inner quail]

Ily too my man

[tepid olive]

350 points

[half walrus]

if u get 500 they give u a prize

[tepid olive]

Ooh

ooh

[inner quail]

If I went by the Rule 2 youd be banned fam

[tepid olive]

@inner quail gib points pls /s

[tepid olive]

Thank you

[inner quail]

np!

[tepid olive]

CameronToday at Timefuck that one image.png

[half walrus]

i remember ragequitting the server cuz ppl were spamming ntwerk in this channel

[tepid olive]

NTWERK

BEST EMOTE

gosh i hate electron so much

it's awful

[half walrus]

which i was being a cock but i stand by the fact that was fuckin annoying

[tepid olive]

imagine rage quitting a discord server tho

i'm on the verge of making my own client for discord