development

[half walrus]

using a remote protocol and passing all of that through all of the networking drivers and bullshit on your system just to connect back into your own system is not the ideal system

[tepid olive]

Make an iOS shell that doesn't suck then we can worry about qemu display

Well nobody said it was ideal

[half walrus]

yeah exactly it’s jank

[tepid olive]

I prefer to think it just is

[half walrus]

works better cuz ppl are lazy but yeah

[tepid olive]

i know

[half walrus]

UTM is almost an example of the “ideal” way of doing it

[tepid olive]

but it's cooler then

[half walrus]

however they’re limited by the fact that they afaik went all the way and wrote it without requiring root

so a proper implementation is some form of native-er X11 support that doesn’t pass through the entire networking system to display graphics

from a “look what we’ve done” standpoint though

[tepid olive]

A proper implementation of qemu alone is launching a uiapplication straight from running it via commandline

[half walrus]

the fact you can VNC into an x11 instance on an ipad is crazy

[tepid olive]

There is no vncing to x11 yet

I want to get that working but its not near done

[half walrus]

well to qemu

[tepid olive]

Ah yea

Sorry i just keep getting confused by the mixing of x11 and qemu

[half walrus]

not a linux gui nerd not too familiar with it

[tepid olive]

X11 is a window system

Wayland on pro

Wayland on pro

[half walrus]

linux wms are either ugly or useless, no inbetween

[tepid olive]

True

No

Hate linux

bspwm

[half walrus]

i guarantee whatever you just recommended looks great

can also blindly assume that you open a terminal to make directories

[tepid olive]

Krit is literally me

I've been using bspwm for like 6 months across like 3 Linux installs

Best wm ever

6 months, 3 linux installs

[half walrus]

because stuff like making a new folder in linux explorers becomes less convenient than typing out a bash command to do it

[tepid olive]

How else would i do it?

Idk why terminal makers havent just adopted sixel

File explorers are slow

[half walrus]

no they aren’t

[tepid olive]

Compared to ls and cd

Then you could use a term only environment and your terminal browser would be full fledged

[half walrus]

you just use linux and think they are

cuz they’re all clunky as hell there

[tepid olive]

@half walrus filza is slow

[half walrus]

anything that looks good has 5% of features, anything that works well looks like ghidra UI

[tepid olive]

Ghidra won't even open for me

[half walrus]

rule of thumb with linux

[tepid olive]

The only guis I use on Linux are discord and Firefox

[tepid olive]

do wayland first

[half walrus]

my last WM didn’t even have the taskbar support many programs require to be usable

now who’s fault is that? mine for installing it, just use a better one

[tepid olive]

I don't have a taskbar compatible with gnome or whatever

[half walrus]

literally faster for me to install macos and work on shit i actually wanna do

than spend days to weeks getting a linux fork to a point where i can even use it for work

[tepid olive]

Really? It takes me like 10 minutes to get a distro setup to how I want

[half walrus]

it got to a point where i was spending more time on the OS than my work

[tepid olive]

clang, git, make, sed, neovim, bspwm, sxhkd

[half walrus]

given

it was arch

i was asking for it

[tepid olive]

i just used KDE

Just use debian like a normal person

quick n easy

Arch is great except you can't uninstall headers and static libs

i wanna try void someday

[half walrus]

but at the same time, the appeal of macos and windows is that you don’t have to deal with that shit

it works

[tepid olive]

Void is great, maintainers are dicks though

[half walrus]

and you can focus on what you actually want to

[tepid olive]

another package manager to learn lol

already learned pacman, and i love it

[tepid olive]

But with macOS then I gotta replace every single tool cause BSD tools suck compared to GNU coreutils

[half walrus]

and then macos just obliterates linux by being posix compliant

[gaunt mesa]

true

and this is why a lot of devs in the real world use a mac

[tepid olive]

Idgas about posix compliance unless your script has /bin/sh as the shebang

[half walrus]

not to mention app compatibility

[tepid olive]

@gaunt mesa fym this is THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP

[gaunt mesa]

[tepid olive]

macOS isn't even posix certified though, they are UNIX certified (I think)

gm @gaunt mesa

[tepid olive]

hasn't it been 5 years they say that

gm

[gaunt mesa]

gm

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

when the solution to a problem in linux is “virtualize another OS”

[gaunt mesa]

macOS is POSIX certified

[tepid olive]

wine runs great tho

[half walrus]

issa problem

[tepid olive]

played GTA V on my 2011 laptop with iGPU

lmao

[tepid olive]

more like fucking 20

[tepid olive]

You right...

[half walrus]

open photoshop and make me a photo with text telling me how great it is

[tepid olive]

I make all my memes in krita

[tepid olive]

i use macOS

guys i believe the solution here is: different OSes for different usecases

Made in krita

which is usually what it comes down to when it comes to opinions

[tepid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/psych-you-know-thats-right-it-is-what-it-is-gif-6125552

[half walrus]

i will shit on linux fanboys all day

[tepid olive]

if only my macbook booted linux easier than my T2

[half walrus]

not because i actually care

[tepid olive]

i'd use it

lmao

[half walrus]

just returning the favor

[tepid olive]

i mean i do too, ask cameron

[half walrus]

i get constantly told to use linux for my dev work

[tepid olive]

right now i'd have a better time running linux on my fuckin touch bar

[gaunt mesa]

this is valid but expensive sometimes

[tepid olive]

i want to go back to linux in all honesty :/

[half walrus]

and when i explain why i don’t people just try and explain over me how “i’m just doing it wrong”

[tepid olive]

idk what apple does with linux on 2020 macs but it's a mess

[gaunt mesa]

?

[tepid olive]

I couldn't do it because no gpu passthru for my macos vm

@half walrus use Linux, it may be very bad for your workflow, but I don't care, use vim and Linux or you aren't a real dev /s

[half walrus]

and i want to smack anyone who does this with any software preference over the head with a broom

[gaunt mesa]

and this is why all of my VMs run on my workstation pro on my Windows 10

[gaunt mesa]

okay vim is really good for your workflow

[half walrus]

i use console.app out of spite for this exact reason

[tepid olive]

UGH I HATE VIM

shut UP

[gaunt mesa]

no

[tepid olive]

vi then

Neovim

nano supremacy

You choose

ed

If you have to LEARN to use a text editor, it's not a good text editor

[gaunt mesa]

neovim is very nice

[tepid olive]

I would use ed

i love ed

pico is better guys

nano

[gaunt mesa]

well once i learned vim i do stuff so much faster

but ofc no one gives a fuck about being efficient here

[tepid olive]

If cam would add neovim to Pro id learn it

hes been assigned neovim for months

true

[gaunt mesa]

neovim is very great

[half walrus]

vim is like being in abusive relationship

[tepid olive]

That doesn't make sense, if you have to learn to drive a car does that mean it's a bad car?

[gaunt mesa]

but if u don't use plugins ur just dumb

[tepid olive]

lol

[tepid olive]

i guessed the end of the joke

[tepid olive]

😭

[gaunt mesa]

nano is nice for very small things

[tepid olive]

Laziness is very powerful

[gaunt mesa]

but i use vim over vscode any day

[half walrus]

everyone who claims they like it is either doing so because they think they seem cool, or because they had no other option at one point in time and convinced themselves it’s good

[tepid olive]

nano is just faster for quick stuff

[half walrus]

it’s like arch

[tepid olive]

@tepid olive I'll do 1+ dep of neovim today

[tepid olive]

Bad example; better one would have been automatic vs manual transmission. I can drive both fine because its part of my job, but if I didn't know how to drive manual I'd never learn because automatic is fine.

[gaunt mesa]

well not really krit

[tepid olive]

arch is fun when you're bored

[tepid olive]

do lua

No

and it's a one time setup

[gaunt mesa]

i just happen to like it because i took the time to learn it and realized how useful it is to me

[tepid olive]

theres a PR open rn that depends on lua

We have luajit

no

do lua

so gentoo may be the right term

luajit and lua5.3 are entirely different

[gaunt mesa]

lua

[half walrus]

and when i need to copy paste a line of code from a different file and run through about 10 at once looking for something in a codebase

which is incredibly common for me

[tepid olive]

Neovim can link liblua or libluajit

it can link both iirc

[gaunt mesa]

well i have custom configs and everything so i could do these kind of tasks very quickly

[tepid olive]

and i REALLY want someone whos not me to do lua

[tepid olive]

It can???

[half walrus]

or when i, yknow, want to use my computer mouse because i like accomplishing things in a reasonable time frame

[tepid olive]

because SOMEONE needs to do a language that isnt me

[half walrus]

like

[tepid olive]

Demhajahrueb (the iOS dude) did lua already

[gaunt mesa]

lol, i'm faster without a mouse

[half walrus]

it’s like the guy trying to convince me that ditching the mouse made him work faster

[tepid olive]

where is it bro

[half walrus]

no, you’re not, you’ve just adapted to a workflow that doesn’t let you have one

[tepid olive]

i do not see it

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[tepid olive]

Idk, I'll try and get it

[half walrus]

i promise

[gaunt mesa]

i still use proper IDE programs and stuff

[tepid olive]

actually appreciated

@tepid olive i was wrong and stand corrected, I believe it's JIT or reg

[gaunt mesa]

i just like all of my shortcuts on vim because i spent like a few weeks writing proper config

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

and painstaking months learning to use it efficiently

[tepid olive]

weeks

[half walrus]

i spent 30 seconds downloading vscode and get far more usability

[gaunt mesa]

true

[tepid olive]

for a fuckin text editor

[half walrus]

sometimes i go all out

[tepid olive]

lmao

[gaunt mesa]

but we already established vim is something you have to learn

[half walrus]

spend 10 seconds toggling on a feature in the config

[tepid olive]

I need to get faster with vim, I spent like 30 min learning basic stuff and have been learning the rest as I go

[gaunt mesa]

i've never touched my vscode config except for font

[half walrus]

if you have to learn how to use an essential tool in your workflow, the time it’ll take to sink into it is time you could’ve spent, yknow, working

[gaunt mesa]

well true

[half walrus]

imagine writing tweaks required you to understand and build your own theos-type makefile system

[gaunt mesa]

in my opinion that time was worth it, but you may disagree

[half walrus]

that’s how it used to be for a bit and it sucked and nobody liked it

[tepid olive]

i like that

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

pretend i sent the Kek dog emoji i left that server

[gaunt mesa]

[half walrus]

i can tell from Procursus and disagree with the way you’ve done it so /shrug

[tepid olive]

its not done

still in beta

[half walrus]

not my project and i’m not in charge so

but imo the makefile system isn’t maintainable

it’s just a custom-built theos

[tepid olive]

What about it isn't maintainable

[half walrus]

no abstraction

[tepid olive]

and no calling anything with makefiles theos is not correct

[gaunt mesa]

ur mom

[tepid olive]

Autotools is theos cause it generates makefiles

[half walrus]

adding a project to procursus requires writing an entire script in make dedicated to that project

[tepid olive]

Which is how debian, arch, void, brew, etc do it

Debian actually does it in make, the rest do it in some other language

Arch does it in bash

[half walrus]

you went an extra step and didn’t use theos which means you’re now rewriting theos features manually for each project every time you add something

[tepid olive]

Not really...

Using theos would have been slower and infinitely less useful

[half walrus]

i’m not saying you need to change it, it’s a non issue rn

[tepid olive]

I'm saying I need to change parts of it because I want to, and it's nothing like theos

[half walrus]

it’d be slower for sure, just more representative of how inefficient it is now

given

[tepid olive]

And less useful

Believe me, I've given thought to it

There would be more working around theos than there would be taking advantage of it

[half walrus]

we’re talking like, objc_direct levels of inefficiency

some, but not enough that change was/is really necessary

i wouldn’t use theos, i’ve written it out of other projects like simject where it wasn’t really needed

[tepid olive]

Why don't we just use dragon for it then /s

Enough in my mind, and that's all that really mattered back then and now

[half walrus]

lol i mean

[tepid olive]

No

[half walrus]

i think i looked at it and decided the current format of dragon wouldn’t be suited to it

the appeal of it is a single file for a whole project

[tepid olive]

I would absolutely consider dragon for a refactor

[half walrus]

when it comes to procursus that no longer becomes an appeal

[tepid olive]

Because my idea of ideal would be a project per project, like debian

[half walrus]

because what you’re going to be looking at is a file the size of your Packages file

[tepid olive]

but thats ideal

[glacial matrix]

When I reach a point that I’m content with the base design (which would be after I’m done with the parsing and before the code generation)

[half walrus]

so, before dragon could be used in any sane way (and yeah, i’ve looked at it), i’d need to find a new way to handle config files

[tepid olive]

I've been pondering a refactor for ages now and aren't able to do it because I'm maintaining both, most of the packages, and my life

[glacial matrix]

I’ll try to

[half walrus]

i don’t think dragon or theos scope fit the project

especially dragon, just bc of how many subprojects

[tepid olive]

Idk why you think I reimplement so many theos features. I think the only thing I "reimplement" is packaging, and even then I do it differently

[half walrus]

now if there were a single one for each project, while that’s better, especially in terms of maintainable build scripts (readable consistent config keys and yaml forces readable syntax)

where does procursus get the files it builds?

[tepid olive]

wget

[half walrus]

in the makefiles?

[tepid olive]

yes

Each build is self contained in its makefile

[half walrus]

is that constantly used for every project?

[tepid olive]

Yes

What else would you use to download tarballs

https://github.com/checkra1n/toolchain

[half walrus]

id have a yaml with a dict for every project

a url key for where to download it from

[tepid olive]

Would that allow the easy version changes we currently have?

[half walrus]

a few variables that differ from project to project

[tepid olive]

Right now for 99% of projects, I'm able to change 1 version number, run one command, and I have new debs for the new version

[half walrus]

and a few places to insert custom bash commands because it’s unavoidable

[tepid olive]

That's convenience

[burnt niche]

Just made a tweak that only matches me with girls on a chatting app.

[half walrus]

dg has this kind of thing

[tepid olive]

or just don’t be a troll when there’s a conversation

mf

[half walrus]

like, i moved the control file shit into the DragonMake

along with pre/postinst and gang

[glacial matrix]

@DHowett on Twitter

[tepid olive]

Mhm I see

[half walrus]

i’ve thought about a custom build of dragongen for procursus

[tepid olive]

But there's often more to the version number than just control files

See the ruby makefile, let me pull it up

[half walrus]

because with that it’d actually be useful and beneficial

[tepid olive]

https://github.com/ProcursusTeam/Procursus/blob/master/ruby.mk

See everytime RUBY_VERSION or RUBY_API_VERSION is used

[half walrus]

holy fuck you have a control file for every package on there

i admire the drive, i would’ve stopped 20 packages in and asked what i could do differently

[tepid olive]

Yeah. And I want to refactor. Just not sure how yet, and I need time

It's all time

[burnt niche]

Automate procursus

[tepid olive]

You're still writing the control file

Yeah I don't like that personally

[half walrus]

which is why i mentioned a custom build

[tepid olive]

I still want to keep the template system we have

[half walrus]

different use case

[tepid olive]

I just want to organize them

Which comes with my indefinitely delayed refactor lol

[half walrus]

one thing i don’t see is, why not use git?

[tepid olive]

What do you mean

Look at aom

[half walrus]

cloning the projects in their current state from public git repos

[tepid olive]

We use git there

[tepid olive]

Not everything uses git

r2ghidra-dec uses git as well

[half walrus]

then upload it yourself

[tepid olive]

Or we could just use tarballs

[half walrus]

it works yeah i was just wondering

that’s the route i would’ve gone

[tepid olive]

What's the benefit of cloning everything?

[burnt niche]

Can i get my props for making a tweak to only connect to girls on a chating app.

Stop playin wit me

[half walrus]

if you clone or sub module everything it’s no longer on you to update those files

given, i’m guessing the tarballs don’t have the control files needed

[tepid olive]

?

I'm very confused

Are you saying clone the actual projects or clone the procursus projects

[half walrus]

i’m getting the idea that it doesn’t apply as well to this so

[tepid olive]

no i just dont understand

I wanna hear this idea

[half walrus]

for all of the native projects dragon builds internally for different stuff (simject) i maintain a fork, and submodule a specific branch from my fork

although in my situation i needed to drastically modify the code to my own liking

[tepid olive]

https://salsa.debian.org/vim-team/neovim

so like this

[half walrus]

i get the idea you’re likely not doing too much to many of these projects

[tepid olive]

and build files go in /debian

Regardless of whether I'm doing anything, it'd go in patchfiles

[half walrus]

seeing the amount of projects on procursus

[tepid olive]

But what's more convenient than pulling upstream in a separate submodule, pushing, and then changing a version number, recompiling, and updating is

just changing a version number

[half walrus]

yeah

[tepid olive]

Now what I want to do is this

I want to put all the projects together into an organized second repo, and make the projects use procursus to build rather than using procursus to build the projects, if that makes sense.

[half walrus]

my own solution for dragon doesn’t scale bc the whole thing was designed with scale at that level as a non-goal

[misty cradle]

@tepid olive

Sorry bro

https://twitter.com/fectatr1/status/1345773427760787460?s=21

Tr1Fecta (@FectaTr1)

@MagicEightBal Is Procursus the future

Twitter · Jan 3, 2021, 4:46 PM

https://twitter.com/magiceightbal/status/1345773430453514247?s=21

Magic 8 Ball 🎱 ~ Ask me a Yes or No question! (@MagicEightBal)

@FectaTr1 Not by any means.

Twitter · Jan 3, 2021, 4:46 PM

[tepid olive]

Take more of a dragon approach and have the main procursus stuff stay in ~/procursus or something

Then the projects can stay elsewhere

[half walrus]

oh man it’s coming together

[tepid olive]

alright wrap it up

[half walrus]

.

[tepid olive]

heheh

[half walrus]

so

[misty cradle]

Is DragonBuild the future of tweaks

[half walrus]

probably unfortunately

[misty cradle]

https://twitter.com/magiceightbal/status/1345773800852480002?s=21

Magic 8 Ball 🎱 ~ Ask me a Yes or No question! (@MagicEightBal)

@FectaTr1 Yeah.

Twitter · Jan 3, 2021, 4:47 PM

They said yes

[half walrus]

theos needs to get off it’s ass

[tepid olive]

again: i'd strongly consider that; but i have almost no time to think about a refactor rn

[half walrus]

but i stopped hoping for that

[half walrus]

you’ve got me interested now though i might fuck with it

Procursus as the custom build tool

w the projects being their own thing

[tepid olive]

yeah

The only reason its not like that already is

Well, my mental state can be reflected by my current pfp

It's a dog holding a cinderblock in its mouth

[restive ether]

brick

[half walrus]

and i already have all of the existing components working well, it’s just figuring out how to optimize the workflow for one single use case

that’s kinda been one thing i’ve had with procursus is

it’s kind of in a weird state rn in terms of what it is

[tepid olive]

I absolutely want it to be the builder

[half walrus]

as it stands it’s just an open source repo

with a streamlined build process

and i get the idea that’s not the direction you have in mind for it

something more decentralized that’s more than just a lot of makefiles and a server

[tepid olive]

I always want it to primarily be for building commandline tools/libraries in a light verbose manner, but what it currently requires is the user to download the entire suite of procursus makefiles

[tepid olive]

yep

We get a lot of contributors regardless, but I would rather cut down on a lot of the inherent bloat we currently include

It's just been formulating in my mind the perfect way to do that without sacrificing direct repo build convenience

[half walrus]

one reason i said makefiles affect maintainability is

the only way to contribute is writing a makefile

[tepid olive]

Does this mean in gonna have to clone even more shit

No

That's my point, I don't want it to mean extra cloning for maintainers that have dependencies and such

[tardy narwhal]

Makefiles are alright to write

[half walrus]

which is an interpreted language with awful conventions

which invites mistakes

[tepid olive]

I like makefiles

[half walrus]

they’re fine to write yeah, pushing it sometimes when you scale it up,

[tardy narwhal]

I mean whether to use makefiles or ninja buildfiles would be personal preference at this stage

[half walrus]

but when it comes to something that’s 9/10 times safer to abstract out, mistakes are easy to make

[tardy narwhal]

the project’s big already with main things up

[tepid olive]

Never used ninja except with cmake

[half walrus]

ninja wouldn’t be better as the main language

neither would be, that’s why we have stuff like cmake

[tepid olive]

Alright y'all, I've gotta go get started on my day

was a good talk

[half walrus]

peace

gl

[tepid olive]

Fuck cmake

tyty

[tepid olive]

love cmak

[tardy narwhal]

Well granted people should know what they’re doing to contribute makes Makefiles not look bad imo

[half walrus]

it’s great tho

[tepid olive]

I know, I hate it though

[half walrus]

it’s like an all purpose dragon/theos

i love how limited my comparisons are

[tepid olive]

Why can't everything be written in c/cpp/objc and use autotools

[half walrus]

i work on this shit too much

[tepid olive]

Instead we get fucking python and ruby

And Java

[half walrus]

ok go run your objc tools on windows

[tepid olive]

Ok

Gnustep go brrrr

[half walrus]

go run your cpp binary you have in iSH

[tepid olive]

Super easy

[tardy narwhal]

alright why we hating windows again

windows lit

[nimble parcel]

laughs in objc.dll

[tepid olive]

Cause it sucks

[half walrus]

i ported dragon to iSH the other day

it was very hard

[tardy narwhal]

:(

[half walrus]

i typed git clone

find another language that has that level of cross compatibility

[tepid olive]

C

[half walrus]

do you build all of your C tools with an i586 slice?

[tepid olive]

I could

I don't but I could

[half walrus]

i’m sure you package them for both ELF and MACH-O systems as well

[tepid olive]

I don't have an i586 devices

[half walrus]

also compiled for cygwin i’m sure

[tepid olive]

Why tf not

[half walrus]

i mean i can say my project runs almost anywhere and i spent a total of 0 hours needing to worry about platform

to get that with C you have to install a compiler and use another programming language to tell it to compile your program

[tepid olive]

I'm sure all your shell scripts are posix compliant, and your python scripts don't require a specific python sub version

[tardy narwhal]

just write posix compliant C

ez fix

[tepid olive]

TRUE

[half walrus]

they work on all non-deprecated versions of python at the moment, yes

and the shell scripts are fully compliant afaik, that was fixed long ago by some angry people complaining about em

[tepid olive]

Me

[half walrus]

this is just silly

i agree on java though fuck java

[tepid olive]

#development message

Throwback

[half walrus]

it’s like if Windows tried to make their own python

oh hey you’re the guy who yelled at me about non-issues in the bash file

hello there

[tepid olive]

Yeah

[half walrus]

except worse somehow

[tardy narwhal]

:( windows haters

[half walrus]

i dont hate windows

with WSL or cygwin there’s no longer a need for other systems

WoA is one of my main machines though so

[tepid olive]

WSL... didn't you literally just rag on Linux saying you have to use a vm for it to be useful

[half walrus]

if you think i’m a fan of windows or WSL ur way off

just saying it’s not as awful as it was on 8664 now

cygwin is the proper implementation of that really

[tepid olive]

Ok, im gonna go eat lunch and work on neovim deps goodbye

[half walrus]

ok bashism man

[gaunt mesa]

kek

bashism

wtf

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

i’m never gonna forget being told to fix ‘bashisms’ in my project

[tepid olive]

FYI, the issue wasn't the bashisms, it was having bashisms without having the shebang use bash

[half walrus]

(a project written exclusively for bash)

(not that i know what a bashism even is)

[half walrus]

it was a non issue because the install command is

[tepid olive]

Bash isn't fully POSIX compliant has additional features not specified by POSIX, so any stuff in bash that isn't posix compliant is a bashisms

[half walrus]

bash <(curl -sL dr.krit.me)

[half walrus]

that’s a horrible name for that then

[misty cradle]

Sounds like a whole lotta cringe

[half walrus]

just call it “fix posix compliance”

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

but

still

[half walrus]

why would you need to #! this

it can’t even be executed without being saved and chmodded first, i’m manually passing it into bash specifically lol

[tepid olive]

you know, not everyone trusts a random curl command enough to run it as is

[half walrus]

which is horrifying and i wish there were a better way

[tepid olive]

someone might want to download it first to inspect it

[half walrus]

exactly

[half walrus]

if only they knew the url

[tepid olive]

that's not my point

once you downloaded it, might as well chmod +x and run it

why run the bash+curl command again

[half walrus]

the entire point of the script was to make it a one click entirely hands free install

if you’re running two commands or more the whole script is useless

[tepid olive]

how so

You expect me to curl a random script and pipe it into bash without reading it first?

Especially considering it asks for root

it doesn't hurt to add 12 characters to the script to ensure it still works even if someone executes it manually

[gaunt mesa]

true

[half walrus]

because then you can just

git clone dragon.krit.me .dragonbuild
ln -s /usr/local/bin/dragon

[gaunt mesa]

gm

[half walrus]

damn if only you knew the url the file was at

shame i keep it a complete secret and it’s incredibly hard to type in the browser anyways

[tepid olive]

damn if only your webserver was capable of returning a different response based on time or user agent

I don't know the url

you wget the file, inspect it, looks fine

[half walrus]

seriously?

[tepid olive]

then run the bash+curl command, boom, malicious payload inserted

not saying you would

krit.me/something

but there's an element of trust

[half walrus]

bash <(curl -sL dr.krit.me)?

[tepid olive]

Ah

[half walrus]

you’re telling me you don’t know the url

its

right there to inspect

[tepid olive]

I didn't know the command

[half walrus]

if you’re this paranoid this isn’t the community for you

[tepid olive]

Literally used it once then uninstalled it

Cause I don't do tweak dev

And I just write my own makefiles

[half walrus]

my script is easily inspectable, viewable online, and hosted on github

[tepid olive]

https://github.com/CRKatri/snaprestore/blob/master/Makefile

Easy

[half walrus]

can’t say the same for the hundreds of obfuscated, closed source, commercial packages uploaded by psuedo anonymous developers that get full unfettered root access to your entire phone with little to no way of verifying legitimacy

[tepid olive]

yeah, but it doesn't hurt to add a #!/bin/bash, because then people can be confident that the already downloaded file that they inspected is not gonna change and just run it instead of redownloading which is pointless

I mean, if they figure out that it should be run as bash install.sh it should work but

still

[half walrus]

1. already does

[nimble parcel]

I’m surprised at how few people know about the <(command) trick

[half walrus]

2, if they intend on deviating from the specified instructions, all power to them, but it’s not my job to code for that

and i fully expect them to understand not following the single instruction means they may run into issues, and i’m sure they’ll have no trouble figuring them out if they do

[tepid olive]

You didn't have that when I was complaining about bashisms

[half walrus]

it’s still a moot point, i just got tired of people complaining about a non issue

the instruction is “run bash <script>”

if you don’t wanna run “bash <script>”, literally the only instruction, should it be expected to still work regardless?

[nimble parcel]

why not pipe to bash like homebrew does btw

[half walrus]

it’s nice that it does sure, but why is that my responsibility

[half walrus]

i can’t remember but i know i tried that and it didn’t work

it may have been broken in zsh

it was a syntactical issue of some sort i think idk

[nimble parcel]

from one perspective you could say that none of it is your responsibility but if your goal is to make a user-friendly tool it should be as foolproof as possible

[half walrus]

i agree, however that’s the scope of the rest of the tool

we’re discussing a single line in a script that was fixed 8 months ago

the goal of Installer is to make it possible to install dragon with a short, memorizable, simple command

[nimble parcel]

that’s partly defeated if installation is a weak link though; I agree that this is a slightly overblown situation but my general viewpoint would be to simplify every single thing

[half walrus]

if i start trying to plan for every way the user doesn’t listen to the single instruction i’m wasting time i could’ve used elsewhere

[tepid olive]

pls run my script with curl -s foo.sh | sed 's#rm -rf /#rm -rf tmp#' | bash

[half walrus]

there’s one instruction and they can follow it, or they can install it manually, which is still incredibly simple to do

even the manual install is still easier than theos lol

[nimble parcel]

guilty as charged

don’t think I myself could install Theos on Linux without the docs tbh

[half walrus]

huh

[lofty juniper]

uh

[half walrus]

what did i say that got filtered

[restive ether]

false positive moment

[lofty juniper]

not sure why that got filtered

[restive ether]

Mr. Andres new repo

[gentle crescent]

as of current version, clone the main repo anywhere you want, ln -s usr local bin dragon (you can use an alias too if you want), and type ‘dragon update’

[tepid olive]

bc that's a piracy repo name

[half walrus]

where

[tepid olive]

**** repo

[restive ether]

i forgot github changed it from master to main, so maybe it’s best to remove that, and just keep that one word

Mr. Andres and his generic ass piracy repo name

[gentle crescent]

i don't think main repo is filtered it's because of the tweaks we added

[half walrus]

but yeah i removed the dependency on directory finally

[gentle crescent]

so main repo becomes mainrepo

[restive ether]

loss

[gentle crescent]

lemme see

[half walrus]

so now it’s a fully independent modular toolkit

[tepid olive]

[gentle crescent]

mhm

false positive

[tepid olive]

| | test | |

[half walrus]

just needs any type of thing to call the main script from anywhere

[lethal ice]

:meth:

[half walrus]

should consider a theos updater

i barely remember the recursive clone syntax for the initial install

have dragon update which just pulls main and submodules

[half walrus]

although

not like you can do make update

[lethal ice]

Advanced Developer

[half walrus]

still hopeful for catroom role

[tepid olive]

<@&417306501066260481>

[lethal ice]

true cat room

oh sorry

[half walrus]

======rage over======
bottom text

[tepid olive]

bottom text

[lethal ice]

i'm sitting in a walmart parking lot

[half walrus]

why

[lethal ice]

next to my estranged brother

[restive ether]

that’s still one of the funniest things ever

[half walrus]

gonna make it my email footer

[lethal ice]

[half walrus]

gonna have it so when Leviathan successfully jailbreaks it prints ======rage over====== in the log view

[lethal ice]

true

[restive ether]

[lethal ice]

TrollJB

[grim sparrow]

[lethal ice]

wtf

which one u get

3070?

[grim sparrow]

Asus TUF 3080

[lethal ice]

[grim sparrow]

Funny story

I emailed the supplier to not ship it, and ship everything else

And they fucking ship the GPU

I’m still in the queue according to the website

[lethal ice]

ive got an evga 2060

[grim sparrow]

[lethal ice]

still runs any game i want at 60 besides cyberpunk

monitor only supports 60 so idc

[grim sparrow]

Fair

Still don’t have my PSU though

[lethal ice]

also 1080p

[grim sparrow]

[lethal ice]

rip

[grim sparrow]

All I can do for now is admire its beauty

[lethal ice]

my power supply is like 800w

i got everything for free besides the 2060 i bought it

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

@grim sparrow i will sell u mobo cpu and water cooler for cheap

and ram

i will sell u anything

[lethal ice]

sell me an i9 for $10

[grim sparrow]

What’s the catch

[tepid olive]

none i just dont want my PC

[grim sparrow]

Oh I c

[lethal ice]

The Catch Is That He Is Just Trying To Be Nice

[grim sparrow]

Understandable

Eeeeerrrrrr I’m good for now, thanks though

[tepid olive]

actually sad

nobody wants to buy good newish pc parts nowadays

[lethal ice]

I have an i7-7700k ready to use but the motherboard has a boot problem so i can't use it

right now running an i7 2600k

[tepid olive]

@lethal ice how bout u return it and buy my ryzen 3600X instead

[grim sparrow]

Don’t worry, I’m fine for now

[lethal ice]

i didn't buy it either lmao

my cousin gave it to me

[tepid olive]

:bruh:

[lethal ice]

charity pc

[tepid olive]

i want m1 mac mini

:(

and no credit card debt

:((((

[lethal ice]

i want m1 mac tru

[exotic spire]

That cable management is impressive

[lethal ice]

i asked my dad and he said that's too much money lmao

[tepid olive]

what is cable management

[lethal ice]

my cable management pretty good

[tepid olive]

cable entanglement is all i know

[exotic spire]

699$ not bad for M1 mac mini

[lethal ice]

but that also means that my headset cable is touching all the others so i get pretty bad interference

not insulated at all

[grim sparrow]

My cable management is hide it behind the massive GPU

[tepid olive]

its not bad but its about 1000 more dollars than i have rn

[lethal ice]

lmao

[grim sparrow]

[lethal ice]

just sell a tweak hayden

[restive ether]

literally

[tepid olive]

so you have a negative balance

[restive ether]

shitty $1 packix tweak

[grim sparrow]

Hayden do you want me to ask people who might actually want to buy shit

[tepid olive]

yes and no

[restive ether]

some dude is literally selling the clock app as an icon on packix right now for $1

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

because i want to earn my money not just make it selling my belongings

[lethal ice]

what u selling hayden

[exotic spire]

Ass

[grim sparrow]

Lmao

[tepid olive]

I'll sell a profile that bootloops your device for $1

[lethal ice]

i'd buy hayden's ass

[restive ether]

get the bag

[lethal ice]

but i already have a dumpy myself

imagine having notifications on for development

[restive ether]

me when andy still hasn’t updated his depictions

[tepid olive]

ryzen 3600x, mobo, 16GB ram, watercooler, i have a spare Asus z170-A board, GTX 980 Ti, Ryzen 5700XT GPU, uhh

i think thats about it

[lethal ice]

how good is the 3600x

[tepid olive]

jk about the selling part but not about the bootloop part

[grim sparrow]

How much for the 5700XT

[lethal ice]

intel comparison?

[tepid olive]

although it probably doesn't work on iOS 13

can't share details yet but I reported it to Apple

[tepid olive]

Its a red devil how much is it worth

[grim sparrow]

A fair chunk

[tepid olive]

its 6 core 12 thread and i think single core is on par with the 7 series iirc

its dependent on ram speed

[lethal ice]

okay cool

[tepid olive]

i think the ram i have in there is 3000mhz or somethin

[lethal ice]

i might be interested if i can't get this 7700k runnin

[tepid olive]

ill also throw in a 120GB ssd with any purchase

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

https://twitter.com/john_crane_69/status/1345758208992940033?s=21 please guys use r/jailbreak_ we’re so much better than r/jb guys please

John Crane (@john_crane_69)

@Shinki_92 @arm64e @_kritanta looks like coolstar so you know the answer.

Twitter · Jan 3, 2021, 3:45 PM

[tepid olive]

[grim sparrow]

Bruh

[restive ether]

i hate this dude so much

like seriously

one of the worst people i’ve ever met

[tepid olive]

@half walrus what a sweet community

[half walrus]

is he associated with that sub still

[restive ether]

no

he got stripped of mod role

by tanner

[half walrus]

good

[burnt niche]

Imagine if snapper had a reverse image option in it

[tepid olive]

procursus users are not transphobic or homophobic 😎

[restive ether]

he’s still running the telegram though

[half walrus]

was about to give tanner a piece of my mind

[lethal ice]

tanner

[grim sparrow]

[lethal ice]

imagine being named tanner

[tepid olive]

we wish

i dont wish im serious

[restive ether]

he tried claiming he wasn’t transphobic when i found hella messages on the now deleted discord of him trashing coolstar and transgenders as a whole

[half walrus]

like “oh please come to our sub”

[grim sparrow]

Nice

[half walrus]

we just encourage stealing your content

[lethal ice]

jailbreak_ was created with good intentions but is just a piracy and trash talk cesspool now

[restive ether]

“please come to our sub (unless you are not a straight male, woman & LGBT may not apply)”

[half walrus]

and are going to say racist, transphobic, homophobic, awful things to you because is fini même haha

[grim sparrow]

L

[restive ether]

you can thank tanner for doing absolutely nothing for that

he gave garbage mods positions and let them break their own rules lol

[lethal ice]

tanner bennett ?

[restive ether]

the flex dude

[lethal ice]

yea

[restive ether]

whatever tf his name is

yeah

[lethal ice]

nsexceptional?

[tepid olive]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748005957497520171/795341467493203978/image0.jpg?width=700&height=1049

[restive ether]

yessir

[lethal ice]

he offered to ship me a phone

to update sex

[grim sparrow]

lol

[tepid olive]

i thought uhhhhhh

i thought Coats made flex

[restive ether]

he did

[lethal ice]

he did

[tepid olive]

different flex

[grim sparrow]

Yeah there’s 2 flex

[lethal ice]

FLEX is maintained by tanner B now

[restive ether]

^

[tepid olive]

oh FLEX not flex

[restive ether]

yeah

i’m just lazy

[tepid olive]

just have someone else maintain it lol

wheres the github

[restive ether]

[[flex]]

[tepid olive]

FLEXing

Open FLEX anywhere!

Author

Tanner Bennett

Version

1.3.1

Repo

NSCake 🧁

Bundle ID

com.pantsthief.flexing

More Info

View on Parcility

NSCake 🧁 - Page 12/19 · Jan 3, 2021, 5:55 PM

[lethal ice]

FLEX is actually working pretty good now though

it used to crash all the time

[grim sparrow]

L

[tepid olive]

[[vi]]

so he made FLEXing, not libflex

vi

The original ex/vi text editor

Author

Hayden Seay

Version

070224

Repo

Procursus

Bundle ID

vi

More Info

View on Parcility

Procursus - Page 1/19 · Jan 3, 2021, 5:55 PM

who maintains libflex

[lethal ice]

no

[grim sparrow]

Tanner

[tepid olive]

[[libflex]]

libFLEX

A library for Flipboard Explorer.

Author

Tanner Bennett

Version

4.3.0

Repo

NSCake 🧁

Bundle ID

libflex

More Info

View on Parcility

NSCake 🧁 - Page 1/1 · Jan 3, 2021, 5:55 PM

ah sad

[lethal ice]

he maintains it

[restive ether]

for someone who hates r/jb so much he sure does use it a lot

and never moderate his own subreddit

[tepid olive]

who doesnt hate r/jb?

[restive ether]

good point

[lethal ice]

hate them but also farm them for money

that's the plan

[tepid olive]

its cool to hate on r/jb

[half walrus]

it throws me off that he’s the mod of that sub

probably the biggest shithole in this community

[tepid olive]

ghidra

[lethal ice]

just wait for fermi

[restive ether]

i tried Dming him about how all his mods were doing literally nothing or making the sub worse and he just never responded to me

[lethal ice]

fuck ghidra

[tepid olive]

doesnt even open

may be the equivalent of dming saurik about rjb

[lethal ice]

FERMI

[half walrus]

i don’t see what he wants out of it

[lethal ice]

@primal perch

[tepid olive]

literally all i get

[half walrus]

it just makes him look bad by association

[restive ether]

he wants to kill r/jb by having a community exist and doing nothing with it lol

[tepid olive]

everybody knows that you gotta use emails to talk to saurik

[restive ether]

i use IRC

[half walrus]

like rn i’m yelling at him on the slack in #general because every association ive had with his community has been awful

[tepid olive]

I've emailed saurik once or twice

[restive ether]

to communicate with the saurik

[tepid olive]

same

uses irc

fuck

./me didnt do what i thought

[half walrus]

i’d rather be in the main sub and i’m permabanned

[restive ether]

the fact they didn’t even ban john crane is beyond me

[tepid olive]

using irc is for silly mfs

im also banned

[half walrus]

if your sub is scaring off people who got banned from the main sub

[restive ether]

he broke their own rules so many fucking times

[half walrus]

maybe think about that a bit

[tepid olive]

make a joke on r/jb and got permabanned for trolling

[restive ether]

maybe he likes homophobes idk

[half walrus]

i mean if he responds to me who knows

[restive ether]

i’ve tried to get that man banned on every social media site possible, he’s a cancer

[half walrus]

kind of in a spot now where i can say sitting back and seeing the replies to coolstar’s tweets, even, is the most depressing thing

[restive ether]

he does not deserve internet access

[tepid olive]

yep

[half walrus]

when you’re in a spot where you’re worried about how people will treat you

[restive ether]

i think looking at any jailbreak devs replies is depressing

[half walrus]

and you see how they treat coolstar

[restive ether]

but once you’re “different” it’s even worse

[tepid olive]

the arabic replies are the worst

[grim sparrow]

Pain

[tepid olive]

sometimes i will pick any random one to translate

and theyre ALL transphobic

every one

[restive ether]

the arab world isn’t even ready to give woman rights yet

so their opinion is about 70 years delayed

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

Thank you coolstar for making procursus

[half walrus]

and i guarantee that there’s someone right now who’s seeing me out now, who might look up to me in some form, and watching closely to see how i get treated

[tepid olive]

👐

[restive ether]

thanks hayden for libhooker

[lethal ice]

libprostitute

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

thanks pwn for substitute

[half walrus]

and i swear to god it pisses me off thinking about people having to see it

[restive ether]

tbh just hide what you can

or just filter words idk

easy

(kinda)

[half walrus]

i have 0 blocks on twitter

[restive ether]

john can be your first

[half walrus]

and it has nothing to do with me seeing it

[restive ether]

that’s a good start

[lethal ice]

i kinda want to write a code injection library

[half walrus]

i could care less if i see it and ignoring it isn’t the point

[tepid olive]

what happens if i mount a filesystem over another that have the same files?

[restive ether]

i kinda want you to stfu

[lethal ice]

ok

sorry

[restive ether]

sex writer only

👐🏻👐🏻👐🏻

[lethal ice]

sex is so crusty

[tepid olive]

this made me laugh

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

diban

[lethal ice]

good code but opening sex project is a chore

[restive ether]

wtf is that supposed to mean

[tepid olive]

idk bro

[grim sparrow]

lol

[restive ether]

oh

i mean

i guess

[grim sparrow]

lol

[tepid olive]

diban

what happens if a union mount shares files?

on darwin

[lethal ice]

what happens if monkeys fly out of my ass

[restive ether]

then a monkey flies out of your ass

[tepid olive]

it probably just wont mount lol

[tepid olive]

hm

[restive ether]

my day be so fine

then boom

[tepid olive]

wym hm what do you expect to happen

[restive ether]

john crane

[tepid olive]

im just thinking

thats what i thought

so im confused

[lethal ice]

Developers

Develop deez nuts

[tepid olive]

Mfs sayin develop this develop that

[restive ether]

https://twitter.com/mariokartdwi/status/1338541633072025600?s=21

alexa (@mariokartdwi)

https://t.co/FRgIBXPaaK

Likes

1132

Twitter · Dec 14, 2020, 5:49 PM

[tepid olive]

WTF

how bout you develop the ability to go pickup some bitches

[restive ether]

i love a funny twitter e-girl

[lethal ice]

true

[restive ether]

subscribe to her OF get her some monies

[tepid olive]

Im not that talented

[lethal ice]

develop the social skills to talk to girls and obtain a female companion

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

god bless you shinki_92

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

or be able to talk ok but be ugly

[half walrus]

i feel like he entirely missed the tone of the reply its so cute

[restive ether]

yeah he did

really hard

[tepid olive]

i dont think so

[restive ether]

maybe he doesn’t know what coolstar looks like lol

[tepid olive]

i think hes being sarcastic

[half walrus]

it’s adorable

[lethal ice]

i don't think girls care as much about looks as much as people think

[tepid olive]

it doesnt come across well because they're foreign

[lethal ice]

people just introverted

[tepid olive]

can tell by first tweet

[tepid olive]

thats not helping me

[restive ether]

you would be right

[half walrus]

how can u read tone

[restive ether]

i’ve seen some interesting combos man

[half walrus]

that’s not even a sentence

[restive ether]

like my girlfriend and i

[tepid olive]

thats my point

[half walrus]

it’s just english words strung together

[lethal ice]

if you have good looks, confidence, money, or a good sense of humor u should have no problem but it's a mental game

[tepid olive]

ive got a bad habit of just being a dick, when i dont want to

[lethal ice]

wtf

[half walrus]

probably 3 layers of google translate on it

[tepid olive]

Yea i think that english isn't their first language based on the way that tweet is worded, and therefor conclude that they were likely being sarcastic in their second tweet but it doesnt come across in tone because of translation problems

Just inferences

[restive ether]

https://twitter.com/mariokartdwi/status/1345487997463093248?s=21

alexa (@mariokartdwi)

smoking weed with my moms roomba

Likes

218

Twitter · Jan 2, 2021, 9:51 PM

true

[tepid olive]

[lethal ice]

google translate is absolutely busted for long sentences and conveying figures of speech

[tepid olive]

agreed

[lethal ice]

especially for lesser supported languages

[half walrus]

yknow the sentence ended with “nice and good dev”

[restive ether]

it’s not even good for something like french

[half walrus]

now call me crazy

[lethal ice]

idioms are different in every language

[half walrus]

but i’m not gonna take that as the exact opposite meaning

[lethal ice]

translation isn't easy though

[restive ether]

i can’t even imagine how it is in something like Urdu

[tepid olive]

thats not what im saying at all krit

[burnt niche]

Spanish dict is the best for spanish

[tepid olive]

seriously wtf

he's sarcastically saying exactly what guy 2 didn't want him to say

[lethal ice]

honestly the only way for me to learn language has been trial and error

[tepid olive]

he's completely aware of the implications of tweet 2 and replied sarcastically

[lethal ice]

that's why duolingo works

[tepid olive]

i want to move to a foreign country

immersion

[lethal ice]

exploits humans amazing capability to adapt

@tepid olive me too

but i'm currently goikg to school in amerika so that's a problem

[tepid olive]

mfw

[restive ether]

amerikkka

[lethal ice]

i think im gonna start and finish my CS degree at asu then go live somewhere for a couple years and come back

[restive ether]

ASU

[half walrus]

ahh someone posted something somewhere

weee

[lethal ice]

stfu

[restive ether]

mfer are you when studying or are you just drinking yourself to death 24/7

[tepid olive]

when i finish my degree, there is a high likelihood i will drop off the face of the earth

I'm already THIS fucking close to hopping on a cargo train every night and just leaving

[lethal ice]

what is college without parties?

[restive ether]

ASU is a little more than just parties

[lethal ice]

you only got one time frame in your life to live like that and it's college

[restive ether]

that’s just the whole thing for them lol

[lethal ice]

bruh

[restive ether]

#1 party school in the US

[lethal ice]

i know that

but it's also one of the best engineering schools

[restive ether]

all those business majors....

wonder what they’re doing now....

[tepid olive]

are u in uni rn scoob

[lethal ice]

my brother is a business major

[restive ether]

probably nothing

selling stocks on robinhood lol

[lethal ice]

no my last semester of hs starts tomorrow

[tepid olive]

ok

mf scoob think he gonna be engineering

gm

LOL

[lethal ice]

wtf

[tepid olive]

bro ur not gonna be studyinng

i promise

[lethal ice]

cs is in the engineering school

[tepid olive]

bro how bout alcohol poisoning in the engineering school

[restive ether]

lmao

[lethal ice]

wtf

[tepid olive]

just lmk as soon as u need a fake bro i got a good cheap site

[restive ether]

i would like to die of alcohol poisoning while using the CNC machine

[lethal ice]

drinking multiple days in a row is not how i plan to spend my college days

lmao

[tepid olive]

not how i planned it either bro

[restive ether]

that’s just the on campus life for you

[tepid olive]

shit dont work how u planned

[lethal ice]

i'm going to get my mf degree if it kills me of alcohol poisoning

[restive ether]

it will

at least once or twice

maybe thrice

maybe 10 times

[half walrus]

@misty cradle make me a veza toggle that privates my twitter

[tepid olive]

QUATORCÉ

[lethal ice]

wtf