development

[granite frigate]

french is broken

[half walrus]

like he's never cared much

[restive ether]

but time will fix it

[gaunt mesa]

oh yeah we started to cover it cuz they added it to spanish 5

[half walrus]

i don't care about mine

[gaunt mesa]

but french has 0 gender neutral

and it never will

[restive ether]

like latinx

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

like is that the best you could do

[half walrus]

man

[restive ether]

is just slap a fucking x at the end

[gaunt mesa]

gender neutral spanish is just hard

[restive ether]

yeah french is fucked lol

[gaunt mesa]

its annoying

[lime pivot]

deadname is just too convenient for bullying people you don't like

[half walrus]

ima go appologize to him in sileo discord for it

god

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

kirb

[half walrus]

damnit

[granite frigate]

just never say your deadname

[gaunt mesa]

what is ur deadname

[half walrus]

[restive ether]

cameren

[lime pivot]

I agree

[gaunt mesa]

is ur new legal name now Woman Expert?

[restive ether]

honestly if i ever just became like trans or something i could keep my name if i wanted to

gender neutral enough

[half walrus]

true

[restive ether]

i’d take it as is

[half walrus]

fuck my name man

[gaunt mesa]

yeah my name sucks

[tepid olive]

true

[restive ether]

this is my middle name

[half walrus]

it sucks even for a male name

goodbye not gonna miss ya <3

[gaunt mesa]

my name is too indian that it makes 0 sense to me

even tho its really short

[granite frigate]

what's your name now?

[tepid olive]

embrace your heritage

[lime pivot]

sounds fine to me shortened

[half walrus]

TBA but like

probably just gonna go with kritanta honestly

[restive ether]

i mean it would be pretty cool if i could just let my kid name himself sometime down the road and it just worked like that

[gaunt mesa]

my last name is luckily not indian

[restive ether]

but i can’t

so

[tepid olive]

i wish i had an asian name

[half walrus]

androgynous enough

[gaunt mesa]

so Tale is pronounced tail

[lime pivot]

full first name yeah idk most shortened first names are shortened because the long name is dumb

[half walrus]

and just go by 'k' ('kay') for short

[gaunt mesa]

can we shorten Adam to A

[half walrus]

bc nobody can pronounce it

[gaunt mesa]

so ur just ademasi

a demasi

[lime pivot]

but I'm more than just a demasi

[gaunt mesa]

a wild demasi in the forest

[lime pivot]

I'm…

actually yeah fuck it I'm nothing

[half walrus]

and it can be a cool little thing for people who take the time to get to know me

fun name w/ a fun backstory

[restive ether]

i’m happy no one calls me cam...i hate that

[granite frigate]

cam

[restive ether]

die

[half walrus]

📷

[granite frigate]

📸

caught in 4k

[restive ether]

take a picture, they last longer

[lime pivot]

you know krit sounds a bit feminine anyway, you could totally get away with that as a first name

[half walrus]

see yeah like at first it seems ridiculous but i thought about it and like

why not

[granite frigate]

what determines a feminine or masculine name

hmm

[gaunt mesa]

its origin

[restive ether]

gender norms

[wicked summit]

Years and years of history

[half walrus]

language rules honestly

people assume kritanta is feminine

[gaunt mesa]

ie rose is femenine

[granite frigate]

there are 4 answers

nfr

[lime pivot]

it's the thing of it ending in "a"

[half walrus]

bc it ends with a pronounced vowel

yep

[restive ether]

Cameron is a Scottish surname and thus somewhat common throughout the English-speaking world. There are several possible origins. One is from a Gaelic-language nickname, derived from cam ("crooked", "bent") and sròn or abhainn ("nose", "river").

as white as it comes

[lime pivot]

thank gendered languages for that one

[wicked summit]

Kritanto

[half walrus]

the origin of the name is masculine in its original language but

[granite frigate]

do feminine names end with vowels

[half walrus]

hell even comes with a neat little analogy to me currently

[granite frigate]

i dont think theres a hard and fast rule

[gaunt mesa]

my name is a typo

[half walrus]

yeah not really i just threw a guess out there

[wicked summit]

My name is from clash of clans

[half walrus]

definitely most that end with 'a' bc of the spanish association with feminine nouns

e, too, i think?

counterexample?

[gaunt mesa]

no

e can be both

but usually masculine

[half walrus]

give a masculine example im tryna think

[restive ether]

giving kids the opposite genders name is cool

[granite frigate]

rene

[restive ether]

depends on the name

but it works

[gaunt mesa]

rene is a male name

[half walrus]

is rene not feminine

[gaunt mesa]

no

[half walrus]

how is that pronounced

[wicked summit]

Re nay

[restive ether]

like alex as a female name is pretty sicko mode man

[gaunt mesa]

nay

[weary nacelle]

does bruce count
the e isnt really pronounced so

[gaunt mesa]

its what it sounds like when people pronounce renai wrong

[half walrus]

that's a feminine name here i think

[gaunt mesa]

some people think renai is pronounced ren-ay

[restive ether]

i’m batman

[half walrus]

i know a woman w/ a name prounounced ren-ay

[granite frigate]

hmmm

[restive ether]

it’s not...?

[half walrus]

yeh idk what the actual rule is bc it's not even a rule

[wicked summit]

Why do some “men” have anime girls as their pfp

[granite frigate]

there isnt even a rule

[restive ether]

because

anime is sick

[granite frigate]

hmmm

[half walrus]

it's just something you grow up with a primary language and get a feel for

[granite frigate]

[half walrus]

and then you learn that

[gaunt mesa]

no and that's why my nickname is now renAI

[weary nacelle]

what else am i gonna set my pfp as

[granite frigate]

a kitty

[wicked summit]

Stick man

[restive ether]

oh god i feel fucking stupid

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

i was trying to figure that out all week

[gaunt mesa]

ren-eye

[restive ether]

and i didn’t wanna ask and find out

[lime pivot]

wtf

[gaunt mesa]

[granite frigate]

reddit moment

[gaunt mesa]

WTF

[granite frigate]

whats that sub

[half walrus]

Addison is a male name

fun fact

[tepid olive]

we do not speak

[restive ether]

Addison Rae

sick

[gaunt mesa]

addisone rae

[tepid olive]

i shall now go to suffer

[lime pivot]

not sure why but that sounds like a drug

[half walrus]

i knew 2 girls named that

[wicked summit]

I want Addison Rae to become my doctor

[half walrus]

met a guy with that name and it was like

[tepid olive]

from the sheer stupidity of people

[granite frigate]

addison can be a female and male name

[half walrus]

'wait isn't that a girl name'

[lime pivot]

tommy did you have your addison today??

[half walrus]

apparently not

[gaunt mesa]

addison rae is hot

[wicked summit]

Yes

[tepid olive]

no

overrated

[restive ether]

i did meet a dude named Addison once

[half walrus]

it was originally male but then in the 2ks people started naming girls that

[restive ether]

cool dude

[wicked summit]

You’re not a female expert mf

[half walrus]

and i ended up growing up thinking it was a female name

dude was cool af

[weary nacelle]

addison seems like more of a female name but then again i dont really know any guys named addison

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

aspiring movie director

[restive ether]

i’m an aspiring porn star

[half walrus]

literally means 'son of adam' is the best part

[tepid olive]

true

[lime pivot]

one thing that confused me when looking at The World Outside Of My Home Town was that Ashley is also a masculine name

it’s just not common here at all

[gaunt mesa]

true

[half walrus]

lol someone pointed out the other day

[lime pivot]

super common elsewhere

[granite frigate]

i know a guy named addison

[wicked summit]

Wtf you didn’t even let me film last time

[weary nacelle]

well now that i realize that, that makes a lot of sense

[half walrus]

now that i'm female i can basically sustain myself off of onlyfans if i so pleased

[granite frigate]

tgirl onlyfans

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

sick

[lime pivot]

I guess it didn’t register that Ash is a short name when I was 7 watching pokemon before school

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

not gonna do that bc like

[tepid olive]

[lime pivot]

uhh

[half walrus]

until i've fully transitioned, surgeries etc kinda thing

[restive ether]

man i wish male OF made more money

[wicked summit]

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

i’d slang peen on OF all day, no shame

[wicked summit]

[tepid olive]

self.kill()

[gaunt mesa]

[tepid olive]

[gaunt mesa]

stfu

[tepid olive]

[granite frigate]

stfu

[half walrus]

still horribly uncomfortable with my body so

[restive ether]

relatable

[wicked summit]

Class.kill(myself)

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

see i've felt the same way my entire life

i'll let u know how it is from the other side

[granite frigate]

lol

[tepid olive]

krit onlyfans

[wicked summit]

Me and the boys comfortable in our bodies

Hype

[tepid olive]

true

facts

[restive ether]

i mean. thankfully it’s not a gender or body dysmorphia thing

[granite frigate]

cant be me

[half walrus]

nah not gonna shit on the reputation i have here

[restive ether]

i’m just a depressed and anxious individual

[wicked summit]

Just don’t be sad

[tepid olive]

true

[granite frigate]

just be happy

[tepid olive]

true

true

[half walrus]

lol i'm still not sure how i missed this

[tepid olive]

true

[granite frigate]

just stop worrying

[tepid olive]

all true

[restive ether]

the amount of times i’ve unironcially heard this

[half walrus]

like i had been saying shit that kinda made it super obvious since 2016

[granite frigate]

[restive ether]

terrifying honestly

[lime pivot]

/r/thanksimcured

[tepid olive]

[wicked summit]

Exercise helps

[tepid olive]

discord filter

[half walrus]

didn't even accept it myself till the beginning of this month

[tepid olive]

wow

that wasn’t nsfw

[granite frigate]

r/wowthanksimcured

[half walrus]

told my friends and apparently i was the only one that was surprised

[granite frigate]

lol

[restive ether]

yeah exercise and healthy living un-ironically do help

[tepid olive]

man is speaking facts

[half walrus]

felt like i was going down the right road there at least

exercise helps with depression but piping it off as a cure for it is short-sighted and dumb

some shit keemstar would say on twitter

[wicked summit]

Sex is cool too

[granite frigate]

going for a walk would totally help! those medicine pills dont do jack

[restive ether]

i don’t even think he believes depression is real

[tepid olive]

keemstar

[surreal mountain]

@lime pivot

[granite frigate]

coomstar

[restive ether]

just some thing libs made or something i dunno

[half walrus]

everyone can get depressed and work on getting more of the proper chemical balance via exercise and healthy eating

[tepid olive]

[wicked summit]

libs 😠 😠

[lime pivot]

I remember the school chaplain preaching about how just taking a walk every day will solve all your problems

good times

[granite frigate]

lol

[wicked summit]

Taking a walk is hype tho

[half walrus]

but ppl with clinical depression just aren't capable of making up for that with any workout/meal regimen

[restive ether]

i mean it can help you clear your head and think about things

[tepid olive]

walk is nice but run is better

[restive ether]

but like krit says

it just ain’t the answer lol

[lime pivot]

remember when you could cure depression by just taking a walk every day

wait that’s what I’m doing shit

[half walrus]

depression is incredibly complex

[gaunt mesa]

lmao

[granite frigate]

those scientists are totally lying

[tepid olive]

depression is not curable through walking

[granite frigate]

walk it off /s

[half walrus]

chemical balance + psychological shit is an entire insane field

[wicked summit]

You can cure walking through depression though

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

sayin 'walk it off' reminds me of steve jobs lol

[granite frigate]

[tepid olive]

oops

[gaunt mesa]

uhh

[granite frigate]

lol

[wicked summit]

Where is Steve Jobs these days?

Haven’t heard from him in a while

[lime pivot]

ah yeah the dude who killed himself by refusing life-saving surgery

[tepid olive]

his choice

[half walrus]

side note if you know someone who's on anti-depressants and not going half-mad

they have actual depression

[lime pivot]

he should have been alive today

[half walrus]

got misdiagnosed and anti-depressants wrecked my brain

[surreal mountain]

my resolution: find an exploitable vulnerability in iOS or macOS by Dec 31

[granite frigate]

[tepid olive]

ok

[lime pivot]

whether CEO or just retired private citizen

[half walrus]

glhf but from experience also set smaller goals

[gaunt mesa]

ye

[half walrus]

write an exploit first

rewrite an existing one for a known vuln

continue doing stuff like that till you get how it's done

[surreal mountain]

yeah i also want to get into bootchain research

instead of userland

[wicked summit]

Just hack the mainframe

[surreal mountain]

userland is so boring

[half walrus]

bootchain is easier than kernel

[tepid olive]

what the actual fuck is my camera roll

this is not ok

[half walrus]

dm me if you need

Stuff™️

[surreal mountain]

ida 7.5 for macos

[gaunt mesa]

yes

i wanna get into kernel

but @surreal mountain set a bunch of smaller goals

[half walrus]

if u want the easier one to go into

[gaunt mesa]

then the main task doesn't look as daunting

[half walrus]

pick bootchain

start learning and working with the flavor of arm you're targeting

[gaunt mesa]

hmmm

[tepid olive]

cameren dev time

[half walrus]

far, simpler, i think, than kernel

[gaunt mesa]

wt

where is admin role

[half walrus]

kernel is complex

[surreal mountain]

armv8

[lime pivot]

omg

[surreal mountain]

wtf

wtf

fake cameren

LMAOOO

[half walrus]

bootchain is limited to C and we have the fucking source code for it lol

cant top that

[surreal mountain]

true true

i learned how blackbird works today

[tepid olive]

how do i know you arent fake cameren

[surreal mountain]

wiht a very ELI5 explanation

[tepid olive]

more like ELI3

[half walrus]

lol yeah i haven't even thought about glancing at SEP

[tepid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[restive ether]

self exposed

[half walrus]

i already have too many open tabs on things i'm learning/researching

[surreal mountain]

mostly need 7.5 bc of armv7 sep

but how the exploit works is super cool

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

have some very exclusive SEPOS stuff just sitting in a folder bc i cant really be assed to get into SEP

[surreal mountain]

u started watchos bootchain stuff

did you halt that or quit it

[half walrus]

mm

[tepid olive]

stupid connections

[restive ether]

procursus on da watch

[half walrus]

i have ~30 open projects at any time

i dont halt stuff

[surreal mountain]

libhooker on da watch too

[half walrus]

i just work on what i want to when i want to

although yeah watchos is pretty much on hold

[surreal mountain]

ELI1 how blackbird works:

1. validate img4
2. decrypt img4
3. move payload
   3.5. overwrite payload since it's unencrypted in TZ0 and add shellcode
4. jump to payload

[tepid olive]

java on da watch with procursus

[surreal mountain]

@tepid olive mc java edition coming to ios

🙂

[half walrus]

thing with bootchain stuff on watchos

[granite frigate]

host minecraft server on watchOS

[half walrus]

it benifits almost nobody

[surreal mountain]

yeah true

[half walrus]

iBUS adapters are ~$120 a piece

[tepid olive]

what is vlackbird

blackbird

[surreal mountain]

sep exploit

[granite frigate]

checkra1n sep exploit

[surreal mountain]

its OSS

[tepid olive]

nfr

[surreal mountain]

https://github.com/checkra1n/pongoOS

[granite frigate]

[surreal mountain]

checkra1n/exploit/sep.c or something like that

[half walrus]

might port lev to watchos tbh

need a baseline to start with and rootless sucks

[surreal mountain]

checkra1n/kpf/sep/sep.c

[tepid olive]

brenbreak

[surreal mountain]

for full sep exploit

[half walrus]

lol brenbreak

[tepid olive]

@raw vectornbreak

[half walrus]

can we add that to the failbreaks wikipage at this point

[lime pivot]

I love that pongo was open sourced in the last hours of 2020

[half walrus]

no shade but man i was really looking forward to it

[granite frigate]

its never gonna come out?

[surreal mountain]

@lime pivot true

[lime pivot]

it’s an Apple “coming late 2020”

[granite frigate]

lol

[surreal mountain]

also true

[half walrus]

are they ever gonna foss the rest of ch1

[surreal mountain]

yes

[lime pivot]

yes

[surreal mountain]

once windows releases

[half walrus]

bc i was holding my breath for yesterday

[surreal mountain]

they dont want to in its current state bc of what happened with a11 but with windows

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

don’t failbreaks have to be released

and just not work

because we have one on our chart

[lime pivot]

https://twitter.com/checkra1n/status/1344791240584253440

checkra1n (@checkra1n)

We planned to open source checkra1n in 2020, but unfortunately we're not quite ready for a full release yet.

HOWEVER: We just open sourced the entirety of PongoOS, including our kernel patchfinder and SEP exploit! All available at: https://t.co/8ISUttWGmS

Retweets

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Likes

1024

Twitter · Dec 31, 2020, 11:43 PM

[half walrus]

nah i think its when they never get released

[surreal mountain]

where

[half walrus]

just announced

[granite frigate]

what is an example of a failbreak

[half walrus]

which bren was like 10 times

[restive ether]

!t chart

[faint lion]

chart

Chart for a list of jailbreak tools and their supported iOS versions/devices

Added by eric#1997 · Dec 21, 2020, 11:21 PM

[half walrus]

i really need someone to port an exploit to watchos though lol

[surreal mountain]

@lime pivot interesting to me how yall chose to OS the exploit before anything else lol

[half walrus]

i don't do kernel

it's vuln to so much stuff

[restive ether]

it was called jailbreak Monte

[surreal mountain]

lol

[restive ether]

i remember aaron harasses the fuck outta me to find info

[half walrus]

the only existing one is whathisnames v1ntex crappily slapped in

[tepid olive]

you made me chang my pfp again

[surreal mountain]

i plan on making a private jailbreak

[restive ether]

and i think it released

[tepid olive]

curse you

[restive ether]

it was like

[surreal mountain]

LMAOOOOOO

[restive ether]

muscle nerd’s jb

for ios 5

[half walrus]

The term "failbreak" is used to mean one or both of two things: an incomplete or otherwise flawed jailbreak that cannot run Cydia Substrate properly, or a jailbreak that cannot be released to the public for some reason (whether or not that jailbreak is complete). Some "failbreaks" are both incomplete and cannot be released to the public. Sometimes people also call fake jailbreaks "failbreaks". Since this word has multiple possible meanings, it's confusing to try to use it in conversation, so it's best to avoid it.

https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Failbreak

[granite frigate]

odyssey cant run substrate

it sure as hell isnt a failbreak

[tepid olive]

true

[restive ether]

https://www.theiphonewiki.com/wiki/Jailbreak_Monte

[half walrus]

does a 13.5 rootlessjb fork i never released count as a private jb

[surreal mountain]

odyssey is a failbreak

its shit

sorry

jbd is just so shit

[half walrus]

[restive ether]

oh it was ios 4

[granite frigate]

[half walrus]

compared to

[restive ether]

jbd does fucking suck

[half walrus]

the other 13.6.x jailbreaks?

[surreal mountain]

@half walrus

[half walrus]

such as?

[restive ether]

jbd3**

[surreal mountain]

is it just time_waste

[half walrus]

yeah

[granite frigate]

time_waste is 13.3

[surreal mountain]

L

oh true

[half walrus]

idk which one it is

[surreal mountain]

lightspeed

[lime pivot]

that implies I had any part of it 😛

[half walrus]

oh i remember what i did

and why i couldn't release

[surreal mountain]

@lime pivot idk who does what in that group

[restive ether]

i just want my OSS loader....

[tepid olive]

checkra1n team seems so disjointed

[restive ether]

man

[surreal mountain]

siguza gave me sep explanation tho 🙂

[half walrus]

i just dlopened oddessy's bin and called the tfp0 symbol

[restive ether]

let me add pro to loader

[tepid olive]

i agree with myself

[restive ether]

or i die

[half walrus]

this was while it was dmca'd

lol

[surreal mountain]

i still have a dmcad repo

[tepid olive]

procursus loader.app wen

[lime pivot]

my work is a few hundred lines of bootstrap shit so I kinda don’t have much say in it all lmao

[surreal mountain]

FUCK YOU MEGADEV

[half walrus]

i was using it as an independent toolkit kinda thing

[surreal mountain]

go ahead procursus in da loader

[half walrus]

that required tfp0 for its shit to work

[lime pivot]

I’m anti curses unfortunately

[surreal mountain]

whenever its OS

@lime pivot why

[half walrus]

/joke

[tepid olive]

care to explain why

[half walrus]

/joke

[tepid olive]

oh

[lime pivot]

someone put an eta “in the coming weeks” on the website back in like september

[half walrus]

its 2 am too late for ambiguous jokes kirb

[lime pivot]

for extra package manager options

[half walrus]

uh

hasn't that been there for like

[tepid olive]

i tried to add more package managers with MITM

[half walrus]

the entire time ch1 has been out

or was the actual ETA a new addition

[tepid olive]

it crashed whenever it had more than one

[lime pivot]

format c: /s

[surreal mountain]

sorry but

procursus is just FAR superior

[restive ether]

i just want mi procursus, sileo & zebruh in da loader

[surreal mountain]

zebruh

[gaunt mesa]

procursus is far superior but its not like bingner/elu is broken

they have no motivation to replace it

[surreal mountain]

at this point

[tepid olive]

the question is, how are they gonna get zebra with elu and no cydia?

[restive ether]

pretty insecure...

[surreal mountain]

there is no reason to be using bingner/elucubratus

[half walrus]

there is

[gaunt mesa]

well it still works

[half walrus]

^

it works

proc is better

[restive ether]

and that’s how we ended up where we are

[half walrus]

but elu works

[restive ether]

lol

literally that attitude

[gaunt mesa]

that's like saying there is no point using ubuntu 18 cuz 20 works

[half walrus]

and yeah that's why it is how it is now

[gaunt mesa]

i mean cmon

[tepid olive]

iOS 11 still works, but theres no reason to use it

[restive ether]

is why we’re here

[half walrus]

why change code when the current stuff works

[gaunt mesa]

^^

[lime pivot]

there’s no reason to use ubuntu when debian and fedora and centos exist

[restive ether]

...

[half walrus]

flawed mindset but an understandable one

[tepid olive]

exactly

[lime pivot]

that’s why a few days ago I commented it’s weird we just call them bootstraps

[half walrus]

and procursus backs up its claims with quality so

like

[lime pivot]

when they’re literally the definition of a distro

just like Linux!

[half walrus]

skeptics who look into it are gonna see why it's just better

[gaunt mesa]

true they are more like distros

[half walrus]

i do hope we get something nutty like

repo-less procursus

please

[surreal mountain]

what

[tepid olive]

wtf?

[half walrus]

build all packages on device

[surreal mountain]

:what:

[tepid olive]

oh

[surreal mountain]

:FR:

[restive ether]

but we aren’t talking about them as if one is clearly better in every form

[tepid olive]

thatd take AGES

[half walrus]

yep

[lime pivot]

so happy with how procursus turned out you know

[surreal mountain]

llvm

[tepid olive]

procursus with emerge

[half walrus]

well actually

[surreal mountain]

procursus is getting a window server soon

[half walrus]

i mean the default installed packages is pretty small

just compile when you need one

[restive ether]

zstd on void dpkg

[surreal mountain]

@half walrus bigger than elu

but

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

[half walrus]

for llvm that doesn't apply obviously

[surreal mountain]

package size is smaller

[half walrus]

lol

[lime pivot]

if you go back to the first commits of the repo they’re by me from like august 2019

[tepid olive]

i know

[restive ether]

i hate rust devs

[half walrus]

i need to work on proc

[restive ether]

and i hate void maintainers

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[half walrus]

and port it to ninja

[surreal mountain]

LMAO have fun with that

[half walrus]

or write an interpreter that does that

which is what google did w/ kati

[gaunt mesa]

nah they are fine, the ones that hate everything non rust suck

[lime pivot]

there was almost a 3rd competing distro just for checkrain but instead it became CoolStar Approved®

[surreal mountain]

every single contribution is another makefile

[half walrus]

or i could just port the whole ass thing to dragon

lol

[restive ether]

nah they’re actually dickheads

[gaunt mesa]

"nfr:

[restive ether]

they ruined ios support

[tepid olive]

it weird how people always lump procursus and CS

[half walrus]

which i personally see as a horribly flawed way of adding packages

[gaunt mesa]

rust devs fucking suck when they tell us that not using rust is the wrong way

[surreal mountain]

not really

[lime pivot]

gonna say in the end despite disputes between cs and bingner and pwn, settling on Elu was the right move

[gaunt mesa]

sorry but that's wrong

[surreal mountain]

completely understandable

[gaunt mesa]

procursus has heavy association with coolstar

[surreal mountain]

people dont care or know enough to tell the difference

[tepid olive]

true

[lime pivot]

Pro coming a while later worked out better I reckon

[restive ether]

procursus literally has no association with coolstar

[surreal mountain]

i was disagreeing with the fact that he thinks its weird

it isnt weird

people just dont know how that works

[restive ether]

coolstar has contributed absolutely nothing lol

[half walrus]

like, if you want to add an existing package to procursus, you (a user, who fucks shit up), has to write a script in a wack, interpreted, inconsistent language

which is why i don't like the current makefile system for procursus

[surreal mountain]

and procursus is only used on odyssey

[tepid olive]

only cause other jb's dont care enough to use pro

[restive ether]

people just use that those are the only jailbreaks pro is on

[surreal mountain]

hence why its associated with coolstar

[half walrus]

you're expanding the codebase with every addition

[restive ether]

and that’s a stupid fucking reason

[half walrus]

more code is being ran with each package

[surreal mountain]

blizzard jb

god

[restive ether]

L

[surreal mountain]

i might actuslly use that

if jbd isnt fixed

also

coolstar straight up lied

[restive ether]

jbd3 makes me want to off myself

[surreal mountain]

saying jbd was a part of libhooker

[lime pivot]

the only thing I’m still frustrated by is that cs chooses to make sileo intentionally not compatible with Elu, even after Sam and I went as far as releasing a patched APT build on the Elu test repo + patched Sileo to work with it

[half walrus]

wtf is jbd and why do people care

[gaunt mesa]

well its like i said

they have 0 reason to

[surreal mountain]

@half walrus jailbreakd

its buggy

[tepid olive]

i like the way pro is setup

[lime pivot]

it worked but they choose to make it inaccessible

[surreal mountain]

and the reason for most, if not all odyssey issues

[restive ether]

there’s literally so many reasons

[gaunt mesa]

one of the biggest things about serving things to millions of people is to not make huge changes

no cam

[half walrus]

weren't you supporting CS's side of this a while back?

[restive ether]

you’re blatantly ignoring modern unix security

[half walrus]

just curious what changed

[surreal mountain]

renai sorry but that is the fucking dumbest thing ive ever heard

[lime pivot]

but that’s on cs not hayden at all

[gaunt mesa]

okay but think about this, what if some deployment issue happens while changing

[surreal mountain]

that is just blatant ignorance

[gaunt mesa]

u could risk fucking up millions of devices

[restive ether]

then fucking fix them? lol

[surreal mountain]

why would a deployment issue happen?

[gaunt mesa]

maybe not millions but still a lot

[half walrus]

absolutely correct

renai is right lol

it's why i tell people to keep theos installed

[lime pivot]

I was actually using cs’s patched APT for the original checkrain distro project anyway

[half walrus]

dragon is better in every way

[gaunt mesa]

this is RULE #1 OF PROPER SOFTWARE DEV

[half walrus]

but theos doesn't break

[restive ether]

so what you’re saying is all linux tools should never be updated

[half walrus]

doesn't change

[restive ether]

ok

[lime pivot]

wait no stop

[half walrus]

always works

[gaunt mesa]

[restive ether]

apt should stay on 1.4

[tepid olive]

:sofuckingfunny:

[restive ether]

we should use SHA1

forever

[tepid olive]

true

[half walrus]

it is, fight me

[lime pivot]

hey speaking of @half walrus

are you aware of this fun arm64e bullshit that will soon be upon us

[restive ether]

SHA256 requires too much brain power

we can’t use that

[surreal mountain]

there is 0 valid reason that i can think of why elu should be used in favor of procursus

[half walrus]

but dragon is unstable as shit which makes theos the defacto default, still

[lime pivot]

any ideas of how dragon will handle it?

[surreal mountain]

sorry

[half walrus]

yeah one sec

[gaunt mesa]

we literally just said

u can't just change it instantly without risk

[surreal mountain]

what

[gaunt mesa]

that's 1 reason why elu is still in heavy use

[half walrus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/688124600269144162/787210132781006848/unknown.png

[restive ether]

what does that even mean

[half walrus]

https://discordapp.com/channels/349243932447604736/688124600269144162/787210134567911425

[surreal mountain]

fym you cant change it instantly

[half walrus]

@lime pivot

[lime pivot]

Kabir initially had an idea to just patch the cpusubtype, but that doesn’t seem to be enough

[half walrus]

already did this

[surreal mountain]

that isnt how a bootstrap even works

[restive ether]

literally

[half walrus]

which basically just

[restive ether]

called

testing

shit

[gaunt mesa]

im not explaining what i said 2 minutes ago

[half walrus]

i check the bit on arm64e builds and if it's the wrong bit, i print that warning

[surreal mountain]

link it

[restive ether]

literally the one thing

is apt

[granite frigate]

argument in #development

[restive ether]

and hayden tests the life outta apt before releasing a new build

[lime pivot]

hah hmm well it’s a start

[gaunt mesa]

bruh

[lime pivot]

issue is zero inter-compatibility

[gaunt mesa]

are u fucking kidding me rn?

[surreal mountain]

no

[lime pivot]

we thought the old cpusubtype would work fine on 14, but it doesn’t

[tepid olive]

I liked what matchstic did with a patched lipo

[lime pivot]

and the new cpusubtype, ios 12-13 dyld goes “fuck is this”

[tepid olive]

supposedly it chose the correct slice

[surreal mountain]

we cant test the lipo until a 14 jb for 64e though

[gaunt mesa]

not true

[tepid olive]

someone tested it with an app

[gaunt mesa]

u can inject into an IPA

[lime pivot]

you can test with an xcode app

[surreal mountain]

ohhh true

[restive ether]

with your logic we should just wait for saurik to do something with substrate since it’s been around so long doing nothing

[half walrus]

@lime pivot honestly I see a few options here:

1. Print a warning advising people to use pre-clang 12
2. Find a way to patch it after-the-fact
3. Release an official fork of the apple toolchain that patches this behavior out or adds an option to disable it

[lime pivot]

or an M1 Mac

[surreal mountain]

true

[half walrus]

and i think the answer i prefer there is kinda obvious

[surreal mountain]

t8101

is my processor

[tepid olive]

https://twitter.com/elihweilrahc13/status/1344336103357231104

elihweilrahc13 (@elihweilrahc13)

@_Matchstic @KatriCameron @opa334dev @foxfortmobile I can confirm it works. Compiling with arm64e only in Xcode 11 and 12, merging with your patched lipo and then installing the IPA through Impactor. Launches fine on A12 iOS 13 and 14

Twitter · Dec 30, 2020, 5:34 PM

[surreal mountain]

aka a14x

[half walrus]

so at this point, my 'plan for handling it' is figuring out #2 while I wait for #3 to be possible (pls apple push changes)

[tepid olive]

doubt its gonna happen soon

[gaunt mesa]

no

[half walrus]

bought a 24-core macos VM for a reason lol

[gaunt mesa]

cam u still don't understand my point

[surreal mountain]

what is your point

[restive ether]

i don’t think you understand we can’t just sit here and do nothing all the time like you want

[surreal mountain]

cuz im not understanding it either

[tepid olive]

ok, im back to normal

[lime pivot]

I feel like we’ll end up short-term just saying “download Xcode 11 and set the path in ~/.theosrc please”, slightly longer term vendoring the last version of (open source) clang to support cpusubtype 00

[restive ether]

striving for better is what makes this community safer and better

[half walrus]

he's making the point that stable > new when it comes to things that can brick phones

[gaunt mesa]

no one can risk switching all of the existing bingner/elu strapped phones to procursus there is bound to be an issue

[half walrus]

which is a valid argument 100%

[restive ether]

[surreal mountain]

have you ever had a broken package on procursus

[gaunt mesa]

imagine if twitter suddenly replaced their entire v1 api with v2

[restive ether]

oh booo me

[lime pivot]

and hopefully permanently finding a simple workaround that does the job

[surreal mountain]

have you ever heard of a broken package on procursus?

[gaunt mesa]

OMG ARE U FUCKING STUPID

[restive ether]

released a broke lolcat

[tepid olive]

https://tenor.com/view/sweat-sweating-nervous-wet-sad-gif-5796001

[restive ether]

now no ones device works

[gaunt mesa]

ATLEAST READ WHAT I SAY U DUMB FUCKING BLIND ASS FOOL

MY GOD

[surreal mountain]

bro

[half walrus]

i dont get what they're missing lol

[surreal mountain]

sorry but

new >>>>>>>>>>>> stable when it comes to security

[half walrus]

like i have a perfect analogy w/ dragon and theos its right there

[gaunt mesa]

im not gonna explain this again

either understand or don't talk to me

[lime pivot]

how tf expensive is that

[surreal mountain]

procursus simply doesnt have stability issues

[restive ether]

you seem fine with your SHA1 hashes because they work and that’s fucking weird lmaoooo

[gaunt mesa]

im not talking about procursus u fucking dumbass

[half walrus]

$100/mo through that person i mentioned to you earlier

[gaunt mesa]

im talking about switching elu to procursus

jesus fuck

[half walrus]

lemme grab a neofetch

[restive ether]

no one said switch?

literally said

option

[lime pivot]

yes and I write software without bugs

[surreal mountain]

lol

[half walrus]

dragon doesn't brick phones

[surreal mountain]

go find a pro stability issue

[lime pivot]

people brick phones

[tepid olive]

can i use a package I added?

[lime pivot]

can’t say I care

[restive ether]

debian stability issue located in apt take the L

[surreal mountain]

is it merged LMAOOO

[tepid olive]

no

[half walrus]

go find an ios vuln

[surreal mountain]

did that stability issue brick an iphone

[tepid olive]

not yet

[half walrus]

like

[surreal mountain]

this is a horrible analogy imo

[gaunt mesa]

well ur completely missing all of our points

[half walrus]

renai isn't even arguing that procursus shouldn't ever be used

just

explaining why elu gets used now

which is because it's stable, doesn't get modified, and always works

[lime pivot]

it’s analogous because it’s burden of proof fallacy

[half walrus]

^

[restive ether]

option
option
option
option

[surreal mountain]

^

[lime pivot]

none of this actually matters is the thing

[surreal mountain]

i dont see how the burden of proof applies here

[gaunt mesa]

that's not what u said in the beginning

what u said was "i see 0 reason for bingner being used"

[surreal mountain]

ur right

[restive ether]

i don’t

[surreal mountain]

i dont

[restive ether]

lmao

that doesn’t mean take it out

[lime pivot]

keep your tribalism to yourself, checkrain will offer both distros as options so you can pick what you prefer

[restive ether]

you can have your SHA1 hashes i don’t fucking care lmao

[half walrus]

hell yeah take bingners out

[surreal mountain]

but im not gonna stop someone from using it if they are so concerned about stability

[half walrus]

but if you want to convince people to do that

[restive ether]

just don’t force me to deal with the same shit

[half walrus]

you need to understand why it's currently the way it is

[gaunt mesa]

then make something urself

this is why odysseyra1n exists

or subcursus

like seriously

[restive ether]

it exists because the checkra1n just barely allows it lmao

[tepid olive]

@surreal mountain subcursus moment

[surreal mountain]

@tepid olive true

cs lied to me

[tepid olive]

?

[gaunt mesa]

stop complaining about the stock option not having it when u can easily achieve what u want and what no one else cares about

[restive ether]

i-

ok

[surreal mountain]

i can touch /.installed_odyssey and jb with odyssey using substrate just fine

[surreal mountain]

this is blatant ignorance

[tepid olive]

ok

[surreal mountain]

goodbye

[half walrus]

man we need Fugu device support for non t8010(i think) phones

[restive ether]

fugu bootstraping is aids

sad

[tepid olive]

add it

[half walrus]

checkra1n alternative solves like 90% of these issues

[gaunt mesa]

if like 80% of people don't care how is it ignorance

[lime pivot]

I swear by Ubuntu while others tell me I’m dumb because I’m not using Arch or Gentoo or whatever the fuck, but I can’t figure out why exactly any of it matters. isn’t it valuable enough that I’m invested in Linux at all? I could just as easily run everything on Windows/macOS/BSD

[half walrus]

fugu is a fully independent POC jailbreak as i see it

[tepid olive]

just use pongoOS

[half walrus]

like rootlessjb

shouldn't be used by users in its current state

[gaunt mesa]

if the developers don't feel its worth the effort to appease the very small group of people that want procrusus then they don't have to do jack shit

[half walrus]

replace the crap stuff with established working stuff

[restive ether]

????

[lime pivot]

also unity was the best desktop environment don’t @ me

[restive ether]

what developers?

[half walrus]

(lol can't we toss pongo into Fugu now?)

[restive ether]

literally open source the loader and someone else will do it lmao wtf

[surreal mountain]

@gaunt mesa does that make it the correct course of action?

[gaunt mesa]

checkra1n loader dev or whoever the fuck

[tepid olive]

KDE Plasma

[restive ether]

you’re acting as if the option will blow up absolutely everything jesus christ

[surreal mountain]

lol

[gaunt mesa]

no i'm not

[lime pivot]

KDE UX is offensively bad

[tepid olive]

its very customizable

[half walrus]

this is why saurik's attitude towards substrate shit annoys me

[tepid olive]

with a little tweaking it perfect

[restive ether]

saurik ruined this community don’t care what anyone says

[half walrus]

monopolize a field and then fail to do the job

just open source it

[gaunt mesa]

isn't it very heavy tho

[restive ether]

literally that

[half walrus]

bc otherwise you yourself have fucked everyone over

[lime pivot]

spent days trying to find the right DE for myself, Unity was just better than all of them

[tepid olive]

not as heavy as gnome

[gaunt mesa]

really?

wow i just use GNOME on ubuntu cuz i cba

[lime pivot]

I’ll settle for GNOME because it’s almost as good as unity

[half walrus]

and thanks to open source we have substitute

[gaunt mesa]

but that's interesting

[half walrus]

and cs is cs so now we have libhooker

love 'em

[restive ether]

substitute is bastardized now

[half walrus]

substrate isn't?

[surreal mountain]

s.quiprr.dev

[restive ether]

oh no that is too

[gaunt mesa]

everyone shits on substitute

[restive ether]

for different reasons

[tepid olive]

no

[half walrus]

substrate source code deadass reads like the output of a decompiler

god

[gaunt mesa]

substrate is just

[surreal mountain]

im the only one that actually uses that rn

[half walrus]

https://github.com/wzw19890321/substrate

sin

no wonder it doesn't get updated

[restive ether]

substitute is used so loosely now

[tepid olive]

wtf is that

[lime pivot]

in terms of long term maintainability I was unhappy with Substrate being chosen for checkrain

[half walrus]

substrate source mirror before it went closed source

[tepid olive]

substrate was open source??

[restive ether]

i never understood this decision

tbh

like i get it already worked

but it seriously risked getting wrecked

[lime pivot]

I was arguing for Substitute but the team insisted on Substrate because Sam had the connection to saurik to make checkrain an Officially Saurik Blessed Jailbreak

[restive ether]

and becoming dependent on one person

[half walrus]

https://github.com/wzw19890321/substrate/blob/master/DarwinLoader.cpp @lime pivot if you ever wondered where all of my work in StopCrashingPls that never got accepted came from

[tepid olive]

or cares about saurik's blessing

[restive ether]

and truthfully it just sounds people were just too lazy to maintain something

[gaunt mesa]

also im pretty sure most people on checkra1n team are the type that support stability over anything else

[restive ether]

lmao...

[half walrus]

basically just studied DarwinLoader since we were crappily shimming its functionality

[surreal mountain]

https://checkra.in/releases/0.12.2-beta

[restive ether]

i hate everything about this statement

literally fuck saurik

[half walrus]

the proper way to do stopcrashingpls and choicy would be hooking into SubstrateLoaer.dylib

[restive ether]

why does anyone care about him or his blessings

fuck using cydia either

[lime pivot]

I’m on the camp of maintainability, while I see why they were on the camp of Substrate is still objectively better, we have the ability to be blessed with Substrate builds so why not

[half walrus]

cuz he's the figurehead of jailbreak

fuck the guy

[lime pivot]

Cydia being the only option is my fault

do not blame Sam for that one

[half walrus]

but he's kinda who founded the community regardless of his flaws

[gaunt mesa]

yeah

[half walrus]

and when a ton of old devs that left come back

not very surprising they want his work in it

[tepid olive]

can we blame sbingner for saying we will never be able to remove cydia on elu

[restive ether]

he founded the community, let it bleed him dry and left it with no real options lmao

it was only him to blame

he could’ve at least threw people a bone

[gaunt mesa]

u guys are acting like using elu and substrate is gonna kill the jailbreaking community

[surreal mountain]

lol what

[restive ether]

it kills maintainability

lmao

[surreal mountain]

^

[half walrus]

ikr lol

[lime pivot]

realistically very few of the team were actually from the era before saurik’s attention to the community started stagnating

[half walrus]

i use exclusively elu

lol

[gaunt mesa]

lol

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

the impact of hooker/boostrap/etc is like

[gaunt mesa]

u shouldn't have said that

[tepid olive]

[lime pivot]

nito resents saurik, Luca had beef

[gaunt mesa]

nito resents everyone

so

[restive ether]

nito is fine

[lime pivot]

I mean yeah

[restive ether]

keep him away from politics

[half walrus]

hope nito is doing well

[restive ether]

and he’s fine

[half walrus]

yeah he's

got some stuff going on

i just hope he's doing well

[lime pivot]

but he’s very insistent on being the only game in town for the entire tvOS stack aside from the jb

[surreal mountain]

sounds

familiar?

[half walrus]

anyone else gave it a shot?

[restive ether]

saurik vibes

[lime pivot]

and dislikes the idea of saurik dipping his toes there

[half walrus]

i mean cant say i blame em lol

[restive ether]

pro on da tv

[half walrus]

who's stoppin saurik tho

other than saurik

[restive ether]

he probably doesn’t care

all that much

the tvos scene is pretty fucking dead

[tepid olive]

what benefit doesnt a jben tv even give

[restive ether]

there’s like 3 repos

[half walrus]

cries in watchos

[restive ether]

that matter

[half walrus]

watchos jailbreak has so much potential too

[tepid olive]

pro on da watch

[half walrus]

i just

[lime pivot]

for a few years Cydia was called MobileCydia.app because the idea was to separate it from an upcoming Apple TV Cydia

[restive ether]

i see so much less value in a watchos jb over tvos

[half walrus]

struggle porting an arm64 exploit to an armv7 device

and nobody else is interested

or wants to help

or wants to go anywhere near armv7, understandably

[restive ether]

gross

[primal perch]

camerenToday at 1:46 AM
i see so much less value in a watchos jb over tvos
kritToday at 1:46 AM
struggle porting an arm64 exploit to an armv7 device
and nobody else is interested
or wants to help
or wants to go anywhere near armv7, understandably

[half walrus]

tvos jailbreak has more potential

for the mass public

watchos jailbreak would be amazing for existing jailbreakers

[surreal mountain]

tvos can actually be semi-useful

[tepid olive]

MEMO_TARGET=watchos-arm64 TARGET_SYSROOT=/home/cameron/Documents/SDK/WatchOS7.2.sdk make bootstrap go brrrr

[restive ether]

idk though

they both seem pretty one dimensional

[lime pivot]

I feel like unfortunately watch jb feels obviously risky to most people who would have the slightest amount of interest in it

[tepid olive]

MEMO moment

[half walrus]

not something that's a 'necessity' but something that'd be really nice to have

[surreal mountain]

https://github.com/citruz/pongoOS-QEMU

fun

[restive ether]

you can’t even restore them if something happens

so

yeah

lol

[half walrus]

well

[lime pivot]

I personally almost did jb my series 1 watch before it bricked itself because lithium batteries are dumb

[restive ether]

normal people*

[half walrus]

we don't know that yet is the thing

[restive ether]

i mean technically the 4k too

[lime pivot]

but tihmstar's shitty jb tool didn't have offsets for my watch and I didn't feel fucked to get them

[half walrus]

nobody has looked into anything in terms of snapshots, etc so on there

nobody has looked into cheaper iBUS clones