development

[primal perch]

Meanwhile c already has a 99

[twilit jungle]

[neat dagger]

on M1

[nocturne yacht]

i heard about blobs but idek

[primal perch]

Security and verification what else

Because apple

[neat dagger]

idk kextstat shows com.apple.driver.AppleMobileApNonce

[primal perch]

Becasue balls

[neat dagger]

Yes but we need dimentio on M1

[nocturne yacht]

but why

[twilit jungle]

why not?

[neat dagger]

Just for the lolz

[half walrus]

what’s up

too lazy to scroll up

[nocturne yacht]

.

[half walrus]

i dont recognise that outside of the context of paper mario

what obscure tool

[primal perch]

Paper mario true

[tardy narwhal]

never forget for those filthy js casuals

[primal perch]

I’ve only played chapter 1 and maybe 2 of ttyd

But it’s fun so far

[half walrus]

https://cache.saurik.com/lawsuit/complaint.pdf

[pearl sail]

https://tenor.com/view/george-carlin-pardon-me-i-have-nothing-to-say-gif-14951684

[half walrus]

https://twitter.com/arm64e/status/1337114289837051904?s=21

kritanta (@arm64e)

Coding/working in iSH?

dragon now has remote build coordination.

dragon r - sync code to a configured build server and build the package there using dragon

dragon sr - configure build server login

Works on anything :)

Twitter · Dec 10, 2020, 7:17 PM

[tardy narwhal]

so basically ssh + scripting

[twilit jungle]

true, when can I send out beta debs to testers via Dragon?

[tardy narwhal]

email listings or riot

[half walrus]

yes and you have no idea how painful it was

[misty cradle]

when

[half walrus]

although that’s such a broad generalisation

[misty cradle]

can it make dgh0st install beta debs on my phone automatically??

[half walrus]

the whole dragon project thing is scripting with some ssh thrown in at the end

[misty cradle]

true @tepid olive

[twilit jungle]

Need this... can't be testing Veza code on my own device.

[misty cradle]

fr

HSVeza2

[twilit jungle]

[tardy narwhal]

I mean I’m sure it’s fun to work on but I don’t necessarily see a benefit over regular custom homebrewed solutions. overgeneralization works well with tools like jtool, dragon at this stage feels like a weird mash-up of ninja and some shell scripting made easy

[twilit jungle]

Did you actually try that build?

[tepid olive]

Veza is now paid!

[misty cradle]

@twilit jungle not yet

should i?

[twilit jungle]

yes

[misty cradle]

ok wait let me send deb to alt

i dont have discord logged in on phone

only 2 alts for some discord subscriptions

[twilit jungle]

[misty cradle]

[half walrus]

i mean for me it’s just the ease of having one tool that takes care of the build process.

another massive issue with this community is many devs don’t have the time to learn the ins and outs of linux/macos/build systems/build servers/etc etc etc,

[misty cradle]

dragon is more becoming like

just random stuff in 1

like everything u use, u put in dragon

[half walrus]

how on earth is uploading and building a project unrelated to building a project

[twilit jungle]

Uhh, imo if you don't know basic of compiling/installing then you shouldn't be releasing tweaks

[tardy narwhal]

well it’s a double edged sword essentially, making tools to ease up development where people expect one-tap solutions to code & work brings unhealthy people here and entitlement

[tepid olive]

Agree

[half walrus]

tell that to literally everyone who joins here at first

[tepid olive]

Too many mfs come in here writing full tweak code not knowing how to make clean

[misty cradle]

@twilit jungle sir why is it called CONTROL CENTER MODULE, WHERE HSVEZA

[tepid olive]

Like stfu go away leave

[misty cradle]

also

[twilit jungle]

Been doing that... can't control everyone. But if it easier for them to avoid that suggestion than its only going to get worse.

[half walrus]

refusing to abstract tools to artificially heighten the barrier to entry in a field is the enemy of progress and wastes massive amounts of experienced developer’s time and effort

[misty cradle]

@twilit jungle my entire cc is now empty and when i click on the plus sign for adding the widget, it leads me to an empty page

[twilit jungle]

[misty cradle]

cant even make screen recording

wait let me ask siri

dumbass siri

[half walrus]

which is why i hate when people have this “no don’t make it easier attitude”

[tardy narwhal]

but many or rather most “experienced devs” have their homebrewed solutions for various tasks, you’re just publicizing yours

[misty cradle]

my cc just gone

[tardy narwhal]

which doesn’t negate the existence of such things already

[half walrus]

and i hope they publish theirs too

[twilit jungle]

I mean its not really blocking people from entering a field but

[half walrus]

and if they wanna steal my code that’s exactly why it’s up there

[misty cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749346134530719794/786675377577000970/image0.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749346134530719794/786675378340626482/image1.png

:now:

[tardy narwhal]

if you dunno how to code and jump into tweakdev, no matter your tools you can’t dodge learning objc which is the crux

you could be using a human brain interface to auto-code and still be shit

[half walrus]

normally i over-abstract my projects and split everything up a bit too much

A powerful toolkit targeting Apple development, research, and packaging.

this is supposed to act as a basic collection for everything i have

[twilit jungle]

Okay looks like HSVeza code bad, not releasing. lmao.

[misty cradle]

@twilit jungle

i have some left in my system

[half walrus]

see ppl approach this issue by yelling at the people who make the mistake but it changes literally nothing about it

people are so deathly afraid of accommodating beginners and yet get so annoyed when they ask basic questions

[pearl sail]

What is the preference for people using ninja instead of make?

[tardy narwhal]

you’ve been around long enough to know yourself that people expect to be spoonfed with semi-correct code and don’t learn even when prompted, don’t be a hypocrite

[misty cradle]

speed i think?

[pearl sail]

Is it only speed?

I hear make isn't that slow

[half walrus]

and i’ve been made fun of by revulate plenty for spoonfeeding people when they were still around here

of all things idk if that’s something to go after me for

[tardy narwhal]

idk if I need to remind you of your toxic comments to beginners when you went under calico

past doesn’t erase itself krit

[half walrus]

lord we’re going 2 years back now aren’t we

instead of bitching about new people i like to try and make things easier for em

[tardy narwhal]

Not really, there’s no point in only painting yourself as saint when confronted

[tardy narwhal]

correct, you can use the -j flag to define the amount of cores to use

[lethal kayak]

-j256

[tardy narwhal]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15289250/make-j4-or-j8/15295032

[misty cradle]

i just do -j so it uses max cores

[half walrus]

i have no idea what makes you think im acting like i think i’m a saint but im sorry i give that vibe

[pearl sail]

So then ninja vs make is more of a preference thing than rather actual performance thing huh?

[half walrus]

ninja is always going to be faster than make, they were designed with different philosophies

[pearl sail]

how so and what contributes to the performance difference?

[half walrus]

ninja allows almost no scripting logic and as a result encourages a build process that efficiently generates the ninja file first, and then runs it

it’s written more efficiently in many areas, yeah, but on top of that it forces you to be more efficient as well

[pearl sail]

Is is easier to make a ninja file then vs a make file?

[lethal kayak]

a lot of projects use autotools

[tardy narwhal]

they’re both basically fancy dictionaries, just a matter of syntax preference

[pearl sail]

Cause I can understand a make file

[half walrus]

it’s about the same, but writing a ninja file is discouraged

[restive ether]

.

[misty cradle]

gm

[restive ether]

true

[half walrus]

while make can be read and written by humans (which is nice), it’s a design goal of ninja to not be as readable

[lethal kayak]

yeah bro just have 256 cores

[misty cradle]

[half walrus]

wdym

[primal perch]

Anyone else here believe in santa

[pearl sail]

why would it be a designed goal to not be readable?

[half walrus]

files supposed to be generated

[half walrus]

.

[primal perch]

Escape sequence or “” probably

[lethal kayak]

Anyone else here believe in santa
@primal perch

[primal perch]

F

Nobody

[tepid olive]

Fuck meson
Fuck meson

[pearl sail]

so just as an example then procursus uses make files to make simple packages that anyone can update and edit if needed. If I wanted to change them to ninja format just for the heck of it. How would I get ninja to generate them?

And would it be in easy for other people to come along and edit them if needed?

[manic forum]

do you ever discuss important topics like this with fellow programmers

[tepid olive]

[manic forum]

how do you grow your tweaks

or apps

[tepid olive]

i leave them in a bath of a special solution

very special solution

consisting of herbs, oils, and the secret ingredient

[manic forum]

Oh is the secret ingredient the result of the reaction between some magic smoke from an iOS device and some soldering iron?

I sometimes do that too

In my case it didn't really work though

That one time after I grew some code with that method and pushed it to production the server burned down in like 12 hours

Never used it ever since

[tepid olive]

no its gamer girl bathwater i purchased online

[manic forum]

Oh that's a rare one

Though I didn't hear good things about it

I heard Yanderedev uses it to grow his code

Which explains everything

[tepid olive]

Sometimes it works great, other times the tweak never fully develops and has deformities. So i normally have to discard of the tweak

Who is Yanderedev

[nocturne yacht]

If else guy

[tepid olive]

:who:

[pearl sail]

basically he is a bad coder who built a popular game

[tepid olive]

LMAO

[nocturne yacht]

@restive ether do y’a remember the git file that I sent to you with 13k if else

[manic forum]

it took him like 6 years (?) to build that game and then some random dev came and built the same thing in 4 weeks but with much more optimized code

[restive ether]

yes

[nocturne yacht]

Well

Dmcaed

[restive ether]

it made me wanna die

[nocturne yacht]

[misty cradle]

@restive ether pls hide general for me

[manic forum]

wait that got dmca'd?

[misty cradle]

for like a day

[nocturne yacht]

https://github.com/PD-33/Yandere-Simulator---Decomplied/blob/master/Assembly-CSharp/StudentScript.cs

This guy

I fucking didn’t saved that file

[manic forum]

That's a decompilation tho

I'm talking about a complete rewrite by some bored dev

[restive ether]

i can do that

one sec

[nocturne yacht]

Well I wanted to send the 13k if else

But

Dmcaed

[tepid olive]

imagine writing un optimized code

while(true) {
  int x;
  x = 1;
  int y;
  y = 4;

  if(x + y != 5) {
    break;
  } else {
    y = x;
  }
}

[manic forum]

-O-1 => negative optimization

[tepid olive]

True

-O100 cuz we keep it one hunned

[restive ether]

@misty cradle doesn’t seem like i can do it on mobile

so i’ll do it when i get home

[misty cradle]

@restive ether

its when u go to general

then user override

choose me

and do read = no

and send = no

[manic forum]

@tepid olive anyway thanks for the useful conversation about code growing tips

[misty cradle]

@restive ether is gone now

ty

[restive ether]

yes

you’re welcome son

[misty cradle]

ill ping when i want again

intjpray

[restive ether]

now do ritalin

[tepid olive]

yw

[misty cradle]

wtf

i dont have any

i used now and see it works

but i dont really wanna use more

ok continue study time

one entire chapter for tomorrows exam left

[restive ether]

[primal perch]

Aka hikari

Troll1

[lethal kayak]

me when mov eax, 0 instead of xor eax, eax

[tepid olive]

lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688124600269144162/786688952915591256/image0.jpg

[primal perch]

True

[half walrus]

rewrite it manually

it could be done in ninja without a generator

or dragon could be used but i don’t think it’s well suited for the project for once

[pearl sail]

sounds time consuming and not worth it

also doesn't sound like it would be easy for people to update and edit on their own

[tardy narwhal]

you will rot in hell for doing that

[lethal kayak]

for doing which one

[tardy narwhal]

first

[lethal kayak]

lmao

true

[half walrus]

oh i didn’t read all of your message @pearl sail

[manic forum]

?

[half walrus]

ninja doesn’t generate them, you write a generator or use a programmable generator created by someone else

then ninja runs them

[manic forum]

is xor r1, r1 actually faster than mov r1, 0x0

[half walrus]

if procursus gets a ninja port it’ll require a lot of thought and effort put into a custom generator most likely

[pearl sail]

It still doesn't sounds like it would be easy for others to edit the files if they needed updating or even fixing

[hazy plover]

I'm trying to install an ipa file that I dumped with frida on ios 13.7, any help would be apreciated. alt store crashes and it seems the only way to do it.

[half walrus]

need more info

[half walrus]

no more or less difficult than it currently is

which is why i haven't bothered doing it

the scripts would look mostly the same if i just wrote the build scripts manually

DragonMake might be suited to it but i'm worried that the sheer amount of projects in proc makes that less viable

[pearl sail]

Interesting I wonder if someone can make a make to ninja converter?

If they look the same

probably not viable tho

[half walrus]

mm you're going through the exact same thought process i did starting with db

kati exists but I admittedly have no idea how to use it

what i learned is that converting it from make to ninja kinda misses the point

[pearl sail]

How so?

[half walrus]

any code ran by ninja needs to be running Fast As Fuck™️

so, no subshells, no if/else, no logic statements, no conditionals

[pearl sail]

I see so by default make files are not made to be that way

[half walrus]

the ninja file shouldn't ask anything, it should just do

[primal perch]

No it’s a byte size thing

[half walrus]

make files are fancy bash scripts designed for building projects

[primal perch]

They’re functionally the same and I’m not sure about the speed but it can’t be much different

[pearl sail]

Yeah that makes sense

[half walrus]

google wrote ninja bc make on chrome took 40 seconds to run with 0 changes made to the project

love these massive tech companies who’s projects grow absurdly large, so instead of fixing their issue they go and start rewriting everyone else’s tools to deal with it

true

[pearl sail]

Well if the US win their case against Google it will become smol again

[half walrus]

US has always been at the forefront of not allowing companies to become absurdly powerful so i think they have it in the bag

[restive ether]

they kinda stopped caring about 40 years ago

they’ve really held off too long with silicon valley

facebook & google especially

same deal with amazon

[half walrus]

these antitrust lawsuits are critical, we cant let any companies get big enough to compete with disney, that'd be bad

[restive ether]

i need my feel good movies man

[pearl sail]

• Looks at the media companies, oil, gun, internet, and food companies.

[restive ether]

i can’t believe they let disney buy fox

that was insane to me

[half walrus]

faang is massive yes

disney has literally bought out their regulatory body

[pearl sail]

Yeah they got it in the bag

[half walrus]

they singlehandedly control copyright law in the US at the moment

[restive ether]

some ISPs have monopolies depending on where you are

[pearl sail]

Yeah

[primal perch]

L

[half walrus]

ISP/electric regulation vs deregulation is a nuanced issue

[restive ether]

if you aren’t in a city or big town chances are probably high that is the case

[half walrus]

this entirely depends on whether it's deregulated or regulated in your state/area

gets way more political and legal than i've ever had the time to dig into but i have family in that specific field

[restive ether]

oh yeah the food industry is the biggest culprit @pearl sail

like 6 companies own the whole market

fuck Nestle

[pearl sail]

fr

Fuck Nestle

[half walrus]

internet compared to everything else rn is fairly open

[restive ether]

rip net neutrality

[half walrus]

and i'm glad people fight them when google gets a lil greedy

[hazy plover]

@half walrus I've got an IPA that was side loaded via firestore, I dumped it via frida dump so I could do a security assessment on it. Disabling ssl pinning. Then I need to reinstall it on my iphone so I can actually get the PEN test done.

[restive ether]

i do truly hope the new FCC re-implements thay

and goes even further

[half walrus]

but google has done fairly well honestly in terms of not being horribly evil

[restive ether]

because even if it’s not actively being used against us it’s better to have those checks and systems in place

[pearl sail]

It should be a amendment honestly

[half walrus]

compared to apple anyways; low bar

[half walrus]

congress is boomers, they don't know how to check email man

[pearl sail]

[restive ether]

congress hasn’t figured out the smartphone yet

[half walrus]

and the last two presidents have been older than any living family member i have

deadass

[restive ether]

we got a few decades

[pearl sail]

Obama wasn't that old tbh

[restive ether]

obama was older than any of your living family?

unless you mean trump & joe

[half walrus]

yeah

[restive ether]

ah

[half walrus]

idk how old is obama

[restive ether]

that makes more sense

[half walrus]

he cant be that old

[restive ether]

59 now

[pearl sail]

He is in his 50s now

[half walrus]

damn

that shouldn't be 'young' for a president lol

[undone nest]

idk but presidents are usually old af

[half walrus]

40s, 50s is perfect

[pearl sail]

Well JFK was our youngest president

[restive ether]

well he was uh

what

49 when he started?

[pearl sail]

47

[restive ether]

my math is bad

[pearl sail]

I believe

not worst than my grammar

[half walrus]

44

according to the google

[undone nest]

true

[tepid olive]

Obama was really young lol

First term senator too

[restive ether]

i can’t believe he won tbh

didn’t think people would let the new guy win

people seem to have a hard on for mummies as president

[pearl sail]

JFK was 43 when he got elected

[restive ether]

and he also got his head shot off

[half walrus]

everyone’s reaction to the last 4 presidents

[restive ether]

so we don’t have a good track record for young presidents

[primal perch]

jfk was a mind blowingly good president

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/715193924381311086.png?v=1

[tepid olive]

Lol

[undone nest]

true

[pearl sail]

Yeah someone wasn't happy that he threatened to shut down their agency

[restive ether]

Bill winning wasn’t a surprise imo

Bush winning def was

only won re-election cause of 9/11

[tepid olive]

Bill clinton :sofuckingfunny:

[restive ether]

Bill was a great president

[half walrus]

shit my memory is bad

[restive ether]

underrated tbh

[half walrus]

important:

[restive ether]

[pearl sail]

Well I mean Bill just put the country in a better place

I don't know if he was good

[restive ether]

Bush is the reason everything sucks so bad now lol

[primal perch]

balls

[tepid olive]

All bill clintons kno how to do is 3 things: lie, cheat, and eat hot impeachment

[restive ether]

he really ruined us early on in the new millennium

[primal perch]

true

All bill clintons kno how to do is 3 things: lie, cheat, and eat hot impeachment

[restive ether]

i don’t think getting head deserves impeachment

[half walrus]

alright enough liberal circlejerking someone say development things

[restive ether]

i think they’re just mad

[tepid olive]

He didnt get impeached for getting head brother

[primal perch]

conservative circlejerking time

[pearl sail]

He got impeached for lying about getting head

[restive ether]

that’s what they want you to think 😳

[lime pivot]

yes

[half walrus]

hha libtart powned ebic styl

[tepid olive]

kirb replied Today at 4:58 PM
yes

[restive ether]

trump when he couldn’t figure out why he got impeached for obstruction

[grim sparrow]

pog

[primal perch]

nah liberals all just lazy mfs. pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and go work

clearly

[grim sparrow]

I'm trying to send it now, but Xcode won't me sign in

[tepid olive]

Loss

[grim sparrow]

[restive ether]

just get your own healthcare idiot

[primal perch]

get that communism bullshit outta here

[lime pivot]

you'll be changing your mind when working on an app with 200+ screens

[restive ether]

don’t fucking die

[lime pivot]

true

[half walrus]

dumb libtart don’t know college only cost $5 go cry libtart

[grim sparrow]

standby I'm restarting this is dumb

[tepid olive]

Dont care didnt ask

[pearl sail]

kirb Today at 1:59 PM
true

[tepid olive]

True

[lime pivot]

kCFBooleanTrue

[tepid olive]

YES

[half walrus]

1

[primal perch]

[NSBoolean true]

[tepid olive]

!false

[primal perch]

&main

[half walrus]

@“”

[lime pivot]

tired: true
wired: COREMEDIA_TRUE

[primal perch]

yea true

[pearl sail]

true

[primal perch]

normal true wasnt good enough

we need COREMEDIA_TRUE

[lime pivot]

you mean DBL_TRUE_MIN

[tepid olive]

LBDL_TRUE_MIN

Mans pulled up the true cheatsheet

[primal perch]

https://tenor.com/view/hayden-outdoors-real-estate-promoting-gif-12810207

[tepid olive]

hayden outdoors

[primal perch]

fr

[lime pivot]

it's a good thing the CoreMedia guys were looking out for us

[pearl sail]

https://tenor.com/view/hayden-outdoors-real-estate-gif-12810204

[half walrus]

what he doin out there

[primal perch]

is there anything hayden outdoors cant do

[half walrus]

tell him 2 com back home

[lime pivot]

Hayden Four Seasons Total Landscaping

[half walrus]

is cold

wintre

[tepid olive]

I been workin on

[pearl sail]

Real Estate

[tepid olive]

Hayden Indoors

Interior decoration company

[pearl sail]

[tepid olive]

Love It or List It with Hayden Outdoors vs Hayden Indoors

[pearl sail]

YOOOO

[wicked summit]

Next TLC show:

[primal perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/778291372024660008.png?v=1

[wicked summit]

Pedophilia: 19 Kids and Counting

[half walrus]

Hayden Hunters?

[lime pivot]

Hayden Indoors Partial Portraiting

[pearl sail]

My parents are obsessed with HGTV lmaoo

[half walrus]

how did we get here

what prompted this

[tepid olive]

I loved hgtv when love it or list it was active

[half walrus]

dude i miss when my parents watched hgtv

[wicked summit]

a twisted mind

[pearl sail]

It is a good show

[half walrus]

i never thought i’d say that

[primal perch]

its because this yulkytulky guy came in the chat

all of a sudden pedo

[half walrus]

it’s all fox now

[primal perch]

[wicked summit]

Aw shi

[half walrus]

i miss boring

[wicked summit]

Basically

[grim sparrow]

[wicked summit]

Smh

[primal perch]

fr is so good they made a fr2

[pearl sail]

@tepid olive When we gonna get HSTV?

[primal perch]

and fr3

[grim sparrow]

Birthday gurl colour is pog wtf

[pearl sail]

pog

[grim sparrow]

Many things are social constructs

[primal perch]

gop

[tepid olive]

Soon

[primal perch]

best party

[tepid olive]

First the podcast then the world

[grim sparrow]

[half walrus]

@pearl sail ur discord status makes it so tempting to yell at u

[pearl sail]

I wouldn't care if you did

[primal perch]

yall ever realize hayden looks like dr doofenshmirtz

[tepid olive]

:defaultdance:

[primal perch]

although hes not quite as hot

[tepid olive]

How

[primal perch]

dr doof 11/10 thick

[grim sparrow]

Hayden is the sexiest man in this server

[tepid olive]

Wrong

[grim sparrow]

Who then

[primal perch]

[pearl sail]

how the fuck do I release this pokemon

[tepid olive]

@everyone

[primal perch]

@narrow mason

only because julestwerk

[grim sparrow]

True

[tepid olive]

Jules is hot

[pearl sail]

true

[tepid olive]

Man nothing makes you feel like more shit than 5 beers in an hour

Like not cuz of the alc just the amount of garbage going in your stomach

[pearl sail]

So full

[half walrus]

Anyone here know why my wifi is getting consistently slower over time on iOS?

killing all the daemons seems to reset the clock but it's weird

[pearl sail]

wifid is dying

[primal perch]

pov: you use unc0ver

[tepid olive]

Have a look at slowwifid

[grim sparrow]

Ok so here’s the thing. Why doesn’t WiFi auto switch on iOS

I have 2 access points in my house, at opposite ends

If I walk from one side to the other, it should switch automatically

[half walrus]

how's it supposed to know you aren't doing a transfer only available on one of those routers

[tepid olive]

Wifi does autoswitch for me and i hate it

[tepid olive]

This

[pearl sail]

It really does suck even on a mesh system

[grim sparrow]

My MacBook does it fine

[half walrus]

be annoying if you're downloading something without proper failure code and it just breaks everything

[tepid olive]

Ill have connections interrupted

[grim sparrow]

It’s just annoying for me having to manually switch constantly

[half walrus]

it's not "Apple Perfect" but i like it better how it is

[grim sparrow]

[restive ether]

it’s even worse if you have a 2g and 5g network and both suck in your house lol

[half walrus]

the really fun realization

[restive ether]

and it auto switches you to one that’s worse

[half walrus]

if this bothers you enough

[pearl sail]

Which dev is gonna make a tweak that does it better than apple?

[half walrus]

remember what u do

^

[restive ether]

it’s krit’s time to shine

[half walrus]

not me i aint doin that

but if they care enough, that's what this sub/community/server is for

[lethal kayak]

@faint lion

[restive ether]

who

[primal perch]

GIR

[lethal kayak]

the bot

not you

[restive ether]

who

[primal perch]

is his first name nick

[restive ether]

justin

[primal perch]

truje

[restive ether]

I

[half walrus]

removing the photos widget bc it wont stop displaying sad shit

[restive ether]

i don’t like the photos widget

[lethal kayak]

justin trudeau?

[primal perch]

int x{};

me when c++

[half walrus]

first an old photo of my dead cat and then a duo-selfie with one of my exes in the hospital

[restive ether]

your photo widget doesn’t wanna see you winning today

[grim sparrow]

The photo widget just is dumb

[restive ether]

eta invite

[half walrus]

but then i get gems like

[grim sparrow]

It’s pointless for you Cam

[restive ether]

woe

14+?

[grim sparrow]

It’s just a portal for a UK school system

[restive ether]

oh

[grim sparrow]

[restive ether]

.

what if we go to the same school

[half walrus]

gimme a sec restarting wifi

[tepid olive]

Burritoz reacted uhh because hes still in preschool and feels that way

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

https://twitter.com/toluuteee/status/1336566055859318784?s=21

Chreyoncé (@ToluuTeee)

What is Jack Harlow’s problem 💀

Retweets

9540

Likes

139304

Twitter · Dec 9, 2020, 6:59 AM

[tepid olive]

Well

[restive ether]

.

[pearl sail]

Blackface Trudeau scares the shit out of me

[tepid olive]

I mean whats that tweeter’s problem? Thats pretty funny

[half walrus]

photos widget

blessing and curse

[grim sparrow]

lol

My photos widget always either finds a picture of me or a dumb meme

But all photos of me suck

[tepid olive]

As long as photos widget doesn’t pull from hidden album we are good

[grim sparrow]

[tepid olive]

Imagine taking photos of yourself

[tepid olive]

I can confirm it doesnt

[restive ether]

lmao he said if there’s one character he’d pipe it’s the fucking fish from shark tales

[tepid olive]

Half of my photos are hidden

[restive ether]

or whatever the fuck it was

[grim sparrow]

I don’t, my parents send them to me randomly

[restive ether]

that fucking movie with the fish car wash

https://twitter.com/fruityfruitsnak/status/1336791167317454848?s=21

rae’ ᡕᠵ᠊ᡃ່࡚ࠢ ⸝່ࠡࠣ᠊߯᠆ࠣ࠘ᡁࠣ࠘᠊᠊ࠢ࠘𐡏~♡ (@fruityfruitsnak)

@ToluuTeee

Retweets

591

Likes

13588

Twitter · Dec 9, 2020, 9:53 PM

[tepid olive]

And you save them?

[grim sparrow]

WhatsApp

automatic

[tepid olive]

For 100 million for sure

[grim sparrow]

Cba turning off

[tepid olive]

Ez 100 mil

[restive ether]

tf?

i’d do it for 1

[half walrus]

^

[tepid olive]

Lol id do it for 10k what are yall on

Yeah you see I’m not gay

[restive ether]

i’d do it for a grand whay the fuck lol

[grim sparrow]

No

[tepid olive]

It wouldnt even take that much

[half walrus]

i aint gay either

[restive ether]

once you get older you’ll see

[tepid olive]

U honestly gotta be just disabled if ud pass up that

[restive ether]

that this is the offer of a life time

[tepid olive]

$1 is way too low idk wtf you on cam

[half walrus]

why i'd do it for a dollar

[restive ether]

no bro 1k

[tepid olive]

Oh

[restive ether]

maybe even 500

[half walrus]

oh i was thinkin a dollar

im poor

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

[restive ether]

i’d probably take the 1$

[tepid olive]

True. My answer was once like 1 billion dollars. Now its like 1 thousand

[restive ether]

lmao

our expectations just go down every year

[grim sparrow]

Me when

[restive ether]

they ain’t say how long either

[half walrus]

i mean i aint gay its not gonna keep me up at night

[restive ether]

so 1k ain’t too bad

[half walrus]

n i get a burrito at taco bell

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

sounds like a deal

[tepid olive]

Brother as a man whos had some good head id say i can give some good head

[tepid olive]

[restive ether]

you can get a free $5 box if you download the taco bell app right now

[grim sparrow]

I’d turn it down now, but I think when I’m actually happier as a person and who I am, I would

[restive ether]

just saying

[half walrus]

some people use birth control, some people post anime gifs in public servers

[restive ether]

🥱🥱

[half walrus]

to each their own

[tepid olive]

Fuck mental health who needs to be happy

Someone please knock me out im so tired

[grim sparrow]

On my way!

[grim sparrow]

[restive ether]

i’m slanging peen

[tepid olive]

About to pass out on this staircase stg

[primal perch]

about to cum

[pearl sail]

Still waiting to get shot

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

@tepid olive where’s that wifid fix

[tepid olive]

WTF HOW DOES NITRO RUN OUT TOMORROW IM SICK OF BUYING THIS SHIT

[grim sparrow]

Just buy a year with all your tweak money

[tepid olive]

I spent all my money in my monthly budget on stuff

Now cannot buy nitro

[grim sparrow]

Monthly budget

I have £100 in the bank + whatever the fuck Mega owes

[tepid olive]

I don’t really have a budget lmao

[grim sparrow]

[restive ether]

why didn’t you just get it for the year

[tepid olive]

False

[restive ether]

you would’ve saved like 30$

that’s like 20 multipla sales man

[half walrus]

i can afford discord yearly but still don’t buy it

[grim sparrow]

I got yearly as an impulse purchase

[half walrus]

know that one old boots story thing

[pearl sail]

Nep should just buy me discord nitro

[tepid olive]

I do not want to commit to a year of nitro

[half walrus]

where when ur broke u end up spending more

[restive ether]

i hate that you can’t search for specific messages in a conversation on imessage

[grim sparrow]

I have that feeling

I’m scared my discord account would die one day

[half walrus]

cough #development

[tepid olive]

True

Communism

[restive ether]

@half walrus i was trying to find my mother’s amazon login because i’m too lazy to have my own; but also a tweak for this seems like 10% too much work

[tepid olive]

What are the communist emotes called

Fuck

[pearl sail]

stop it Nito

[tepid olive]

I don’t wanna scroll through 700 emotes to find communist bunny

[grim sparrow]

[restive ether]

[tepid olive]

[half walrus]

imessage stores convos in an sql db

[tepid olive]

aixd

[grim sparrow]

So does Snapchat

[tepid olive]

Snapchat is dumb

[half walrus]

“secure” my ass

[restive ether]

@half walrus but is every single message cached

[half walrus]

snapchat’s is worse

[tepid olive]

They still haven’t patched the screenshot chat glitch

I’ve been using it for months

[pearl sail]

Why is nep so rich?

[grim sparrow]

Snapchat stores everything in an unencrypted database on your device for ages

[half walrus]

no idea

[tepid olive]

And nobody knows I screenshot their shit

Example this girl begging for compliment

[grim sparrow]

Imagine not being ugly though

No cap

[half walrus]

welcome to middle/high school

[restive ether]

just give it to her

[grim sparrow]

^^^

[restive ether]

you’ll probably make her day

[pearl sail]

I don't remember either

[tepid olive]

This girl hasn’t changed since 6th grade I swear, still acts the same fucking way

[grim sparrow]

It doesn’t matter

Just make her feel better

[tepid olive]

I told her this:

[half walrus]

i keep plenty of ppl around like that

u do u

[tepid olive]

[redacted]

[restive ether]

there’s probably good reason

[half walrus]

but be aware of the way u come across to others

u might see something like that as a shallow way to twist ur arm for a compliment

[pearl sail]

All I did in middle school was get into fights

[half walrus]

but honest to god a lot of the people who get to that point really need one

[pearl sail]

and HS was just drugs

[tepid olive]

I think I just managed to help

Lmao

I never said if she was ugly or not

[half walrus]

only ppl who are ugly are ppl that’re angry all the time

after long enough it starts baking into their face and their stature

[pearl sail]

By this logic Nep must be very ugly

She is legit mad at everything

[half walrus]

see now i know where you got your status

[late ridge]

LOL

[tepid olive]

Cancelled

@pearl sail now I send this to nep she will cancel you

[pearl sail]

not again

[late ridge]

how temmy still here

Gir lies

[pearl sail]

But the thing is I am not angry at them constantly

I just say my piece and let it hang

[half walrus]

directly under ur name at all times

[pearl sail]

But that is their mostly to piss other's off

[half walrus]

idk it’s such a low effort opinion and ppl jump on it anyways to hate on others

no reason to bring more hate into this community especially now

[pearl sail]

Not really that low effort when it is true

[late ridge]

but why tho, and who cares

[pearl sail]

I am not trying to convince other

I am just spreading my opinion

[half walrus]

ur free to express ur opinion

im just exercising my liberty to call it dumb

[pearl sail]

fair enough

[late ridge]

LOL

tru

[half walrus]

always glad to yell at saurik for stuff he’s done

[pearl sail]

I am not gonna argue weather it is smart or dumb

[half walrus]

insisting anyone “centralised jailbreak” is silly

[pearl sail]

Hmm

I don't think so

but you are entitled to that opinion

[half walrus]

what part of jailbreak right now is centralised

..

[pearl sail]

How do you define centralized let me ask that?

[restive ether]

un-official centrification

when you make it impossible to remove cydia that’s a start lol

[half walrus]

the only option for basic usage of tools

or payments

or jailbreaking

or bootstrapping

[restive ether]

well you can’t remove elu on u0

so you got that part

well you might be able to but the app gets big mad

if you fully do it

[half walrus]

then use cs’

[restive ether]

what if that’s not a viable option

[half walrus]

if that matters but not to the point of removing elu manually for you

and if that’s not an option then work out how to remove it manually, the device is unlocked and everything can be modified

jailbreak is at its core decentralisation of your device

saurik definitely capitalised on the market and made absolute bank running an alternative to the app store for a while

[misty cradle]

now he back for the bag

[half walrus]

but that’s been followed up by a constant fight for device freedom

i mean his store literally lets you add repos that let you steal from his store, idk how it could’ve acted any more decentralised

[restive ether]

are you forgetting about how he felt about rock and substitute

and iMods

[half walrus]

not at all

he acted like a businessperson who’s motivation for fighting for device freedom was so he could run his business there

however from the beginning the expandable format hasn’t limited anyone else from rising up to compete or replace

[restive ether]

and that included actively destroying the competition platforms?

i don’t get it

[half walrus]

not gonna defend his character bc he’s made that impossible lol

just everyone saying he tried to monopolise the community so he shouldn’t be suing apple feels a bit absurd

[restive ether]

i don’t find his lawsuit to be an issue

[misty cradle]

yeah i’m gonna yesterday the odyssey restore rootfs with the registering just ping me whenever

[restive ether]

i just see small amounts of irony in it

but i’m glad he’s doing it, i don’t think he’ll get anywhere though

if he does then that’s great

[half walrus]

don’t remember him taking down repos that processed their own payments outside of his store

[pearl sail]

Then here is my response when you make a jailbreak tool for example like Unc0ver and checkra1n cause those are the two most popular tools in the market. You have locked in user to their tools. This being substrate, substitute, elu, and Cydia . While you can install other package managers such as Installer and Zebra. It isn't directly pointed out anywhere. If a user wants to use Sileo on those tools for whatever reason it is simply impossible without using another jailbreak or using a script that is not official supported by the main devs of checkra1n. Jailbreaking as described by the Apple Dev Team is about letting users have the ultimate freedom with their device. So yes while you can argue that you are still allowed to do things a on U0, Checkra1n and hell even Odyssey you aren't given that freedom without sacrificing something in exchange when you use those tools.

[half walrus]

lord that’s such a flawed mindset

[restive ether]

he was pretty mad at substitute for more or less doing that

and his word being gospel pretty much killed it

[half walrus]

his behavior towards substitute honestly is baffling

along with other stuff he went after

[restive ether]

that’s really my only gripe with saurik tbh

he says do whatever then gets mad at alts

[lime pivot]

I take issue with how he and his lawyer characterise Cydia's demise in the WP article

[restive ether]

i don’t really get it

[misty cradle]

when is saurik gonna come after me

[half walrus]

none of them were financially benefitial fronts to spend his effort on

[lime pivot]

it's not that Apple started making life hard for Cydia… it's that the iPhone was just massively fucking popular all of a sudden

[misty cradle]

never, bc im irrelevant

[restive ether]

@lime pivot i haven’t read it tl;dr plz

ah

lol

[lime pivot]

but they claim it was Apple very specifically being anti-competitive against Cydia to stop it

[half walrus]

honestly i could care less if he twists the truth there

if it gets us what we’ve been fighting for

[restive ether]

i guess there’s some merit

given more security = less users

[half walrus]

or at least some tiny bit of progress

[lime pivot]

it's really not. when you go from a few million to a ton million active users, the portion of enthusiasts will shrink very quickly

[restive ether]

but also you have to consider the rise in popularity of sileo and zebruh

[lime pivot]

that's on him for never persuading those non-enthusiasts to jailbreak

[pearl sail]

Any mindset is flawed, but that is mine and explain why you believe so

[half walrus]

• the series of events of the past few years seems fucking omega brain from saurik at this point

[lime pivot]

it's also interesting that the lawyer is the same one who defended Samsung in that good ole patent troll lawsuit

[pearl sail]

They got 1.1b from it so

[lime pivot]

but on principle the complaint is pretty reasonable although I only skimmed some of it

[half walrus]

you want a tool that does exactly what you want, you go build it yourself. you download a developers tool they wrote, and you’re agreeing to accept the limitations of that tool, which jailbreaks have barely any of

[tepid olive]

Cydia llc

[half walrus]

jailbreak is about the freedom to do that

[lime pivot]

SaurikIT LLC*

[half walrus]

go change it if you’d like, that’s what jb is about

[tepid olive]

Cydia is a company bro

[half walrus]

kritanta dev llc is a company

[tepid olive]

Who is soarik?

[misty cradle]

penis

[lime pivot]

it's a bit of turf warring, because a certain space-themed developer didn't want their package manager to work on the competing jailbreak, and all attempts to have both sides come together to find a solution failed

[tepid olive]

I see @misty cradle

[pearl sail]

That would work, but half the stuff on elu is broken or outdated so you aren't getting tools that are reliable in that matter. Plus elu is tied to one package manager which forces the regular user to have installed on their device. Substrate is also tied to that bootstrap and cannot be used without it

[restive ether]

i still think killing elu support for sileo was a bad idea

i wish coolstar wouldn’t have done that

big sad

[half walrus]

it’s cs

[restive ether]

it was bound to happen lol

[lime pivot]

the closest we got was that I convinced Sam to go ahead with it, we released it on his beta repo, and still no progress on the Sileo side

[half walrus]

everyone who writes jbs rn is very stubborn

takes a stubborn mindset to be that committed ig

[misty cradle]

Me when starting a day well 14 hours before an exam

[restive ether]

not having other managers in the loader for check is kinda sad still

[half walrus]

^

[restive ether]

at least zebra, i think zebra is fine as is

installer is hella fucked up though lol

[misty cradle]

installer 5.1 has been done

[lime pivot]

my pull request was ignored (I was frequently reminding them of it) and Sam eventually had to release some other apt beta build so he just gave up and pulled the Sileo support

[misty cradle]

it has maybe 1-2 bugs left

[lime pivot]

(I don't blame Sam at all)

[misty cradle]

its just a waiting game on checkra1n team now

[lime pivot]

that's me hi

[misty cradle]

hi

[pearl sail]

Yeah I don't agree with CS's response to that situation. But it would have have been cool for the loader to have a option of sileo and procursus be installed

[twilit jungle]

[half walrus]

package managers heavy reliance on the bootstrap is all kinda weird

[restive ether]

we need alt bootstrap option

[misty cradle]

[restive ether]

i really don’t see an issue with it

[half walrus]

patch it in

[misty cradle]

idk if true, but bingner may be against it

[restive ether]

i see no reason why elu forces you to keep cydia

it doesn’t make sense

[half walrus]

or help me fix Fugu

[restive ether]

@half walrus fugu still needs a procursus transition

[half walrus]

fugu needs a lot more than that

[restive ether]

chimera bootstrap is nasty

[half walrus]

lmfao

[restive ether]

broken zip

L

[lime pivot]

when Loader has other package managers (that's on me to do… uh yeah… hi), Elu will be updated to accept any of those package managers as bare minimum for a functional bootstrapped system

[misty cradle]

@half walrus ok if u add a12 support by finding infoleak, i will help u fix fugu

[restive ether]

but why does it need a package manager at all

you have apt as is

[half walrus]

bc if users die so does jailbreak as most people here know it

[misty cradle]

@restive ether we still have a chance on a12 checkra1n

[restive ether]

and to a further extent dpkg

[misty cradle]

just need nice infoleak 😭

[half walrus]

and if we don’t cater to users

[restive ether]

that’ll be 500,000

[tepid olive]

Infoleak

[pearl sail]

So you guys are gonna start fixing and updating packages on elu to support all modern package managers?

[restive ether]

cash or credit

[misty cradle]

proteas tried recently, to look into a12 checkra1n but failed

[half walrus]

unless all of you are capable of writing jailbreaks

[misty cradle]

they said they'll continue later

[half walrus]

the current two teams do it for clout so

[misty cradle]

we wait for fce to release his jb

[restive ether]

clout? under statement

pwn made too much monies

[misty cradle]

mfer made so much from donations

[half walrus]

well clout == money

[restive ether]

fair enough

[half walrus]

i wish CS would plug his shit more

[restive ether]

i thought you just meant it as internet feel good points

people wouldn’t care

[half walrus]

he deserves to be paid just like pwn and bingner do for their work

and so many people are glad to

[misty cradle]

he

[restive ether]

jailbreaking has become synonymous with cydia and unc0ver

[misty cradle]

[pearl sail]

Well CS gets hated on for existing

[half walrus]

sorry mb

[restive ether]

people literally use unc0ver as a replacement for the word jailbreak now

they don’t even ask when a jailbreak is coming out they just ask when unc0ver is getting updated lol

[misty cradle]

maybe i should reskin u0 4.2.0 and ask for donations

[pearl sail]

iOS 14 unc0ver w3n

[half walrus]

yeah cuz spelling odyssey is fuckin hard

[restive ether]

[misty cradle]

i just spam the keyboard to type it until its right

[half walrus]

gotta look out for us retards man

[misty cradle]

just like i spam to type "queue"

queue

[lime pivot]

it just means having essential depend on cydia | zebra | installer

Sileo can't be in that list because it's chosen to not be compatible

[misty cradle]

[pearl sail]

Damn why not accept another bootstrap and give users the choice tho?

[lime pivot]

means that any installation will be valid so long as it has one of the supported package managers installed

[misty cradle]

But why are checkra1n users limited to only elu bootstrap through the loader? Why is there not an option to use your own?

Users could then either use procursus or any other bootstrap

[lime pivot]

how do you propose designing that to be easy to use, and not used by people who don't understand what they're doing?

[lime pivot]

because it was never implemented

the Loader concept made sense a year ago when it was written

[misty cradle]

Was it never implemented because there was never gonna be the option for it or was there no other bootstrap back then or is it just laziness

Correct me, if i'm wrong, but it doesn't seem too much work to allow other bootstraps to be used?

[lime pivot]

I think you’re trying to insinuate there was some ulterior motive that doesn’t exist

[misty cradle]

No, I'm not trying to insinuate anything, I just wanna know why 1 year later there is still no choice for other bootstraps.

[restive ether]

ok but why

none of these are needed for anytbing functionality

[pearl sail]

I feel like you could implement the names of both bootstraps and when you click on their name you could include the package manager option to install with that bootstrap

So when you click elu you get the options of cydia zebra , and installer

[misty cradle]

It'll come next year

[pearl sail]

When you click procursus you get the options of cydia installer , zebra, installer, sileo, and aptitude

[lime pivot]

you and I know what the effects of uninstalling the package manager is, the problem is that some users don’t

[restive ether]

that’s the whole point of the loader?

[lime pivot]

there was… a strange era where the old JailbreakQA site had people regularly installing Cydia and nobody knows why

[restive ether]

am i missing something?

[lime pivot]

no

[restive ether]

so why does this matter then

if they uninstall it the loader is right there?

[misty cradle]

It can be an advanced feature or a feature that gets unlocked by doing a certain thing in the app, so no unknowning users don't mess shit up

[lime pivot]

but it’s also the uncover bootstrap so for it to work on checkrain, it has to also work on uncover

[restive ether]

there’s a reinstall toggle there too?

unless pwn removed it for whatever reason in 5.0

or whoever

[lime pivot]

it’s mostly because we can stop them doing it in the first place, because “Essential” sounds pretty important, and (I think) Cydia hardcodes it as a “never ever uninstall this” package

probably a misconception of “how do I unjailbreak… I uninstall the Cydia thing right?”

[restive ether]

but you could easily remove this restriction yourselves if that’s the case?

[lime pivot]

restriction?

[pearl sail]

I feel like suggestion with the two bootstraps options and package manager options would be better for checkra1n

[lime pivot]

no, uninstalling Cydia uninstalls essential, which is Really Bad and not allowed

if I have it right

[restive ether]

but this goes back to my point that a PM shouldn’t be attached to essential

especially since reinstallation of cydia is possible on both jailbreaks

unless i’m misunderstanding what you’re saying

[pearl sail]

yeah that doesn't make sense

Essential being tied to cydia shouldn't be the case

[restive ether]

also if you’re doing it based on PM where’s aptitude 😳

[lime pivot]

I think you need to convince Sam of that

[misty cradle]

@upbeat wyvern gm

[lime pivot]

lmao

[restive ether]

isn’t it like

11 for him

[pearl sail]

Sam is not gonna be convinced by me

[lime pivot]

1:18 pm

[misty cradle]

https://i.imgur.com/8Uh31wK.png

1 pm there

[restive ether]

@lime pivot i just think offering the choice of an alternative bootstrap wouldn’t hurt

and provides for the ease of choice

for the same reason as PM

[pearl sail]

especially if you make it the why I suggested

[lime pivot]

his idea was that we want to ensure the user can’t footgun themselves in the most direct way of “uninstall Cydia using Cydia”, and I had no issue with it

but if you disagree I think you should sell him on the idea of changing it

[pearl sail]

https://tenor.com/view/george-carlin-pardon-me-i-have-nothing-to-say-gif-14951684

[restive ether]

i just don’t see that as an issue if the re-installation is as simple as opening an app

which is true for both

[lime pivot]

it may also be a slight backwards/forwards compatibility thought in case there’s a jailbreak without an obvious rebootstrap option

but I don’t think that’s really likely at all

restore rootfs is far too useful to be ignored

[restive ether]

i think it does a favor for both types of users

if they want the odyssey compatibility the procursus option works

if they want the u0 compatibility keeping elu works

[lime pivot]

I do think Procursus should be an option

I’m wondering how to design it that isn’t too confusing

like why do I want this thing over that thing?

[restive ether]

yeah i see what you mean

[lime pivot]

I don’t know what “Eludhhdhe whatever” and “Prouhdjejeje whatever” means I just want Cydia

(or Sileo or Zebra or Installer)

[restive ether]

i think you could dumb it down to u0 compatibility for elu

[lime pivot]

when looking at it as a choice of the end result (the new app that appears) only Sileo would install Procursus

[restive ether]

i’m not sure about pro, because it’s not really tied to anything

[lime pivot]

and only out of necessity

[restive ether]

pro doesn’t need sileo

[misty cradle]

^

[restive ether]

(maybe i misread what you said)

unless you think pro on check should install sileo by default

[pearl sail]

No the users should have the option between Cydia Installer, Installer, Zebra, Sileo, and Aptitude when they want to install procursus

[misty cradle]

Yeah procursus was made, so it wouldn't be dependent on anything

[twilit jungle]

The other way around, Sileo needs pro

[restive ether]

lol aptitude auto install on the loader

[twilit jungle]

But you are missing the point, to a new user whats the difference between elu or pro?

[pearl sail]

@twilit jungle I mean CS could just fork a version of pro and keep it separate from procursus and not be reliant on procursus

[restive ether]

i feel like that could easily be explained a popup

whenever you pick one or another

[pearl sail]

In that context basically just Sileo

for checkra1n

[restive ether]

semi untether compatibility

[lime pivot]

I know. but when you look at it as which app do you want, because that’s the thing people associate with well, only Sileo needs Procursus, so that would be the only option to install Procursus

[pearl sail]

Or switching back and forth between Odyssey if they want to

[lime pivot]

I’m not trying to sound biased towards any bootstrap saying that

[restive ether]

ah yes i see what you mean

no i get it, we’re playing word association

[lime pivot]

all of them could easily be Procursus too, but then where is Elu in all this

[restive ether]

it makes sense

[pearl sail]

You were responsible for procursus as well kirb I don't think you can be biased even if you wanted to be

[lime pivot]

back to square one of how do I explain this to users so they can make a decision on bootstrap

which is super important but also… like… not

because it’s not something they can see

[restive ether]

Procursus: Default Manager Sileo or w/e

[lime pivot]

it’s just do you want the red pill or the blue pill, except both are imitations of each other by different brands

[pearl sail]

Procursus gives users the option to install Sileo and also having compatibility with Odyssey

[restive ether]

and then you can mention semi untether compatibility if you want

i mean that’s more a 13 thing for now