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#development
pearl sail
If you are gonna educate a group of people about a topic it is best to not to be biased in a way
restive ether
no question about that
lethal kayak
yeah that's the thing
restive ether
oddly enough geo is like the top tier of that
lethal kayak
idk which one to buy
restive ether
which says a lot
half walrus
nah
restive ether
he’s the only one that seemingly understands what he saying
pearl sail
I once thought about getting those book but like I know nothing about coding so I said no
restive ether
we do have a lot of issues, like no proper FOSS advocacy and the significant growth of paid tweaks in the last couple years
half walrus
no proper FOSS advocacy
i'm right here man wym
restive ether
you and hayden are like the biggest FOSS advocates in the community
half walrus
FOSS tweaks have been growing
restive ether
but it’s not nearly enough
half walrus
i watch releases everywhere for them
lethal kayak
i feel like you have to read volume 1 to understand volume 2
half walrus
they've been going up
half walrus
i feel like you have to read volume 1 to understand volume 2
yes
faint timber
I've never soldout either
gaunt mesa
that' usually how numbers work
lethal kayak
well
gaunt mesa
wtf
restive ether
yeah they have been that just seems to be in relation to the amount of released tweaks overall
half walrus
volume 3 is a writeup on every jailbreak since ios 6
restive ether
weren’t those books how stictron learned how to make a jailbreak in like four months on ios 10
half walrus
wouldn't surprise me in the least
gaunt mesa
the number of tweaks u mean doesn't represent ur ability to make a jailbreak
lethal kayak
i don't expect to be able to make a jailbreak after i read them, but i expect to know what questions to ask about making one after i read them
gaunt mesa
make*
restive ether
it’s a pretty good indicator of your ability as a dev in general
half walrus
@lethal kayak if you can get all 3, do
lethal kayak
i'll see
half walrus
if you can only pick 2 get volume 2 and 3
restive ether
it’s not important but it says something
gaunt mesa
i feel like if i start involving myself with this im gonna fuck up my school and my social life
pearl sail
but you are just legendary
gaunt mesa
which is something i don't want to do
half walrus
if only one, i'd consider volume 3 for you
gaunt mesa
how do u guys do this and balance other shit
half walrus
the writeups on previous jailbreaks like
if that guy learned to write a jailbreak in 3 months it was bc of volume 3
could rewrite evasion7 just from his writeup
restive ether
do those books have anything on the new hardware stuff added in the last like 3 years
lethal kayak
wdym @vivid dew
restive ether
you accidentally implanted a good pac bypass into chimera?
actually the only one
but you’re the only person to put one into a tool
half walrus
do those books have anything on the new hardware stuff added in the last like 3 ...
he not only predicted m1, but predicted the version of macos it'd be released on lol
pearl sail
I don't care about your work as a dev tho in my eyes you are just legendary
restive ether
you’re making it sound grossly easy
lethal kayak
do those books have anything on the new hardware stuff added in the last like 3 ...
but he said it should be relatively future proof
restive ether
considering pwn still never added one all these years
half walrus
you’re making it sound grossly easy
bc it probably was for him
pearl sail
He does say he updates the book from time to time
restive ether
tbf coolstar never did either lol
pearl sail
I don't get how
half walrus
13.3 was drag-and-drop for u0
lethal kayak
SEPTEMBER 2020: After more than four years, the trilogy is complete and all books are in their final updates. I've officially quit Darwin, but the books are and will always be availble for purchase, and (I hope) will be (relatively) future proof.
restive ether
yikes does that mean pwn and coolstar just don’t understand PAC at all then lol
half walrus
none of the users in this community could implement that POC in u0 for sure
but it didn't require bringing in siguza or anyone else
lowkey
what do pwn and cs actually specialize in
restive ether
pwn has like every device imaginable on probably every ios
half walrus
doesn't it
restive ether
to my knowledge no
faint timber
dead game lmfao
lethal kayak
he seems like a really smart guy but he says some dumb shit on twitter sometimes
restive ether
unless they’ve improved that rather significantly over the years
but when u0 came out with that pacless stuff it didn’t
half walrus
he seems like a really smart guy but he says some dumb shit on twitter sometimes
describes like
almost anyone who's written a jailbreak
restive ether
accurate
half walrus
mentally stable people don't get invested enough in anything enough to get to writing-a-jailbreak point
gaunt mesa
^
restive ether
that’s what happens when you’re more or less at the forefront of community names
pearl sail
he seems like a really smart guy but he says some dumb shit on twitter sometimes
my favorite was when he complained about the memory leak in Odyssey's exploit
gaunt mesa
i dont' understand how all of this doesn't want to make u guys rip your eyes out
lethal kayak
and also got ratioed by a table
restive ether
lol i forgot he complained about like a 1kb memory leak
lethal kayak
half walrus
same reason i say this community has a drama problem
gaunt mesa
well u guys are really good at hiding it then
because i can't seem to get the motivation or willpower to start actually learning these things
pearl sail
because i can't seem to get the motivation or willpower to start actually learni...
same
lethal kayak
@half walrus how long did shipping take for the books
half walrus
ppl who're mentally stable usually dont care enough to get invested in hooking a closed-source system this deeply
gaunt mesa
everytime i think about that i realize how much shit is gonna change and how complicated this is
and then i die
half walrus
@lethal kayak buy from amazon
lethal kayak
it's not 2 day though right
restive ether
i thought amazon was a rip off
lethal kayak
amazon is like $20 more tho lol
half walrus
they were 90 a pop there
lethal kayak
75 if you buy it straight from him
restive ether
sounds like you’re paying for faster shipping then lol
lethal kayak
true
pearl sail
shipping is included in both no?
half walrus
i've heard
lethal kayak
it's really because amazon is a pain for him i think though
half walrus
less than good things about how fast he ships stuff
restive ether
yeah so you’re paying for the luxury of amazon
half walrus
i think it was from bren(?)
lethal kayak
you mean ethan
half walrus
lol
lethal kayak
the guy making brenbreak
lethal kayak
lol
half walrus
sets his displayname to 'brenbreak' in every server
pearl sail
I thought it was gone lmao
restive ether
oh never mind it’s the extra emotes server jules made
half walrus
just burned into my head at this point
restive ether
lol
lethal kayak
i was wondering like if i'll be able to pore over them during break or not
restive ether
with all the n jailbreaks
pearl sail
lmaooo
lethal kayak
L
lethal kayak
jules before 2fa
restive ether
i think he had 2fa
half walrus
i wish levin weren't a good and talented person so 'someone' could upload scans of them
as it's very valuable info
restive ether
was he not a genius then?
restive ether
yeah so he did have 2fa
half walrus
discord 2fa
lethal kayak
what if the jules we know isn't actually jules
half walrus
lul
restive ether
don’t need 2fa with tokens
pearl sail
levin is probably a prodigy
half walrus
don't need it with QR either
restive ether
forgot about that QR thing when that was big
lethal kayak
levin did irl classes before covid
restive ether
man that was dumb
half walrus
what thing
restive ether
when people stole your login with QR
restive ether
couple months ago
lethal kayak
it's jules he probably posted his token for the meme
restive ether
we banned a few people for it
half walrus
how did that one work
lethal kayak
people setup a site to look exactly like discord
half walrus
oh that's not what i imagined
half walrus
ah so just phishing
lethal kayak
@narrow mason did you get phished
restive ether
According to discussions on various Discord servers and on social media, scammers have been posting QR codes with the promise of free Nitro, the platform’s subscription package that offers numerous perks, and other giveaways.
In scanning the code, however, users inadvertently provide the attacker with access to their account.
“The login-by-QR method works without any username/password and 2FA, and while it makes Discord way more convenient to log into everywhere, it unfortunately is being exploited in the form of fake Nitro gifts (and possibly other forms),” said one Discord user.
half walrus
have a poc for malicious dylib that lets you log in any device to the discord account the phone is logged in on
half walrus
which i was told apparently has the same impact as stealing someone's token although i'm unsure whether tokens have to be renewed
restive ether
@lethal kayak copy pasted from the article because it’s the only thing that mattered
lethal kayak
eventually
gaunt mesa
tokens change on password change
half walrus
have a poc for malicious dylib that lets you log in any device to the discord ac...
bypasses 2fa and the need for a password as well
restive ether
it seems discord finally made it so when you reboot it doesn’t log you out
half walrus
if your phone is 'compromised' it doesn't matter, it's just a point to make about how discord 2fa is a literal joke
restive ether
that’s nice
half walrus
you can't disable qr
restive ether
@lethal kayak i forgot to mention that today when i killed my phone about 20 times
lethal kayak
when is discord gonna make it so your recent emojis dont get reset when you sign out
on mobile
gaunt mesa
they dont' care enough
also i still get logged out on reboot
and im using the testflight version
lethal kayak
yes true
half walrus
haven't had that issue
lethal kayak
i did
restive ether
for
lethal kayak
i mean
half walrus
on ios
lethal kayak
have you seen the jb community
half walrus
in the context of coolstar and the ipad he's kept running for centuries
that makes sense
restive ether
pwn has one of those too
gaunt mesa
yo bro im cooler than u cuz my uptime is 69
restive ether
for the dev it’s fine
half walrus
pid is gonna be like
restive ether
it’s testimony to their work
half walrus
in the millions at that point
lethal kayak
it's a flex if you made a jailbreak and it has a high uptime
restive ether
i think it’s more impressive for a user though lol
considering all the shit they do
half walrus
you should reboot any OS regularly
gaunt mesa
9 million status bar icons
lethal kayak
me when the pid hits the integer limit
restive ether
fucking up their memory
have 20 tweaks with memory leaks
somehow still 30 day uptime
half walrus
or for checkra1n users, userspace reboot regularly
jetsam is nice but it's not perfect still
restive ether
@half walrus userspace reboot is what i spent all day trying to get working with odyssey
didn’t end well
restive ether
i’ve been asking coolstar for months
it just doesn’t support it
i’m not sure what needs to be changed
restive ether
presumably
lethal kayak
i think that's definitely the case
half walrus
something something IDA
lethal kayak
after looking at the way odyssey detects jailbroken status
restive ether
lol IDA is beyond me
lethal kayak
restive ether
at first i thought it was an entitlement but odyssey has it for launchctl
half walrus
speaking of
restive ether
then we kept going down the rabbit hole
half walrus
i need to see what IDA home's new thing is like
restive ether
and got nowhere really
lethal kayak
yeah
half walrus
have an IDA Home arm license sitting doing absolutely nothing
lethal kayak
that was a deep rabbit hole
half walrus
wish I could gift it
restive ether
a deep rabbit hole from one side of the earth to another
half walrus
especially since it has a decompiler now
half walrus
a deep rabbit hole from one side of the earth to another
deep rabbit hole into dragging u0's launchctl into IDA and figuring it out lmfao
lethal kayak
but cryptic said that substituted is modified so even the kernel cant kill it
restive ether
@half walrus i could’ve done this but i don’t think the issue is within launchctl
half walrus
oh fun
restive ether
the entitlements are 1:1 at least
lethal kayak
reboot userspace is working as intended
only when it reboots it clears what odyssey did to amfi and stuff
restive ether
supposedly
half walrus
can it be redone?
restive ether
yeah everything gets nuked
it’s more or less a full on reboot rather than a userspace one with what happens
half walrus
couldn't you just modify launchctl to not kill those then
restive ether
tried
restive ether
well we tried to make jbd and LH restart right away
half walrus
well
lethal kayak
except it's a 3rd party implementation of it
restive ether
we never got around to amfid
half walrus
if u wanna figure things out
half walrus
figure out why sbreload breaks literally everything on ios 14
lethal kayak
amfid / jbd get killed with userspace reboot but not with ldrestart
lethal kayak
due to an explicit case in ldrestart's code where it checks for jailbreakd and amfi
half walrus
don't have a minimal repro but let me show what it looks like
half walrus
alright there we go
lethal kayak
same
restive ether
what am i looking at
half walrus
when you see the kill(pid) message,
restive ether
what process is that
half walrus
i can't show you bc my phone is now incapable of launching any processes
from springboard
springboard launches, but it can't do anything that'd start a process
including screenshot/record
iirc ldrestart doesn't fix, checking now
restive ether
why has no one mentioned this before
i feel like this should’ve been a more talked about issue?
restive ether
and also cydia uses sbreload?
lethal kayak
does it?
restive ether
yes
half walrus
it may also be a rare case that I just happened to trigger 37 times in a night
lethal kayak
oh yeah
half walrus
notice how it only happened on the second time i ran it
lethal kayak
i forgot they added that on elu bootstrap
restive ether
it has for like a year and a half
lethal kayak
lol
half walrus
alright now im gonna userspace reboot and it'll start working again
lethal kayak
it may also be a rare case that I just happened to trigger 37 times in a night
lmao
restive ether
it still doesn’t uicache to my knowledge though
half walrus
> it may also be a rare case that I just happened to trigger 37 times in a night...
i mean would it occur to you that of all things, while you were testing a tweak, sbreload was completely breaking your phone
lethal kayak
fair
restive ether
yes, which is why i find it odd i’ve never heard of this
almost all the geniuses are on 14 and none of them have mentioned that
half walrus
well now this knowledge is out there
restive ether
i have no way to test that myself though
half walrus
if apps refuse to open and the user cant take screenshots, it's an sbreload issue
restive ether
it’s pretty impressive safe mode was broke for as long as it was
i wonder if that’s in the checkra1n issues
half walrus
i'll ask bingner to toss it on the stack since i'm guessing that's his area
half walrus
for now though developers should go back to using killall -9 backboardd or killall -9 SpringBoard
restive ether
why would you use the first
i thought that wasn’t needed for anything anymore
because springboard can do it with no issues
unlike how it used to be
half walrus
makes no difference
restive ether
isn’t that a little slower
lethal kayak
yeah true
half walrus
and developers who rely on resprings may have slowdowns elsewhere as well
but that's a very broad generalization
lethal kayak
i say that while dark keys requires a respring but i haven't looked at the code for that stupid in over a year
half walrus
it's not a user issue
and barely a dev one
quick aside, is there a way to kick all the jailbreak-installed daemons back up
userspace reboot requires manually loading them all and then manually starting up substrate
restive ether
sam fixed sbreload for tvos 6 days ago so i find it odd he wouldn’t have fixed that also
shouldn’t you just be able to write a short plist for each to do that
restive ether
i didn’t have that issue with some of the stuff
half walrus
(namely openssh so i can use not-newterm)
half walrus
this is only on launchctl userspace reboot
restive ether
yeah i’m talking about when i used to use u0
half walrus
hope we get a semi-untether for 14 soon 
restive ether
plausible
half walrus
my desktop and my X don't get along with checkra1n unless I use USB C
(pro tip: when someone on the checkra1n team says something is impossible, it may be possible)
restive ether
https://git.bingner.com/uikittools.git/tree/sbreload.m maybe you can figure out your sbreload issue and fix it yourself 
half walrus
(A11 sepless, checkm8 w/ the camera adapter, checkm8 over a USB-C to lightning)
restive ether
how did you get that working
i thought dfu didn’t work with usb c without an adapter
maybe that was just certain official apple cords
half walrus
define adapter
restive ether
for some cables you need an adapter from c to a
half walrus
that's what I used
half walrus
they just said before that was known that it wouldn't work at all
due to lacking some pins
restive ether
isn’t it a manufacturing issue though
because these days that issue seems nonexistent
half walrus
although pins are a different thing in iboot vs cables so
half walrus
isn’t it a manufacturing issue though
see yeah I think they might've been talking about a different pin :')
now that i've worked in iboot
restive ether
they still haven’t fixed a7 support
kinda sad about that
but it’s ok because chimera works on 12.4.x now
so that takes away some of the necessity
half walrus
yes, which is why i find it odd i’ve never heard of this
this isn't the first time this has happened
lmfao
the reason nobody else has triggered this bug is everyone else uses theos
and if you sbreload before SpringBoard has finished launching entirely, it'll trigger this bug, it looks like
restive ether
are you implying dragon build somehow breaks sbreload?
half walrus
it's too fast lol
restive ether
odd quiprr uses dragon and i’ve used his stuff
half walrus
Homeplus builds in 3 seconds, Springboard takes about 7 to start
restive ether
that makes sense
half walrus
so what was happening was, i'd make a typo but it'd already installed when I noticed it
rebuild real fast, and it'd already be installing before sb finished from the last one
that's hilarious
half walrus
ah 9s
restive ether
L
restive ether
same project?
pearl sail
I use a usb c to lighting cable to jaibreak my X
half walrus
ah it wouldn't support the makefile there
restive ether
uh
half walrus
doesn't interpret, reads it like a config file
restive ether
you still have pagebar
half walrus
nop
lethal kayak
L
half walrus
ooh docky works for this i think
half walrus
only nep tweak i've touched in months
pearl sail
yes
lethal kayak
lol the server got deleted
half walrus
did she
half walrus
lowkey kinda ruined what she had before coming back
restive ether
after about a month
half walrus
urban legend for a while
restive ether
nep was cool besides like
half walrus
now everyone remembers how retarded she was
restive ether
the racism part
lethal kayak
lol the server was all trap hentai anyways
restive ether
and the homophobic part (which was ironic)
pearl sail
I got banned from here cause of that server
pearl sail
nepcord 1.0
half walrus
the homophobic stuff was clearly satirical lol
half walrus
the racist stuff is what happens when you spend your time on /g/
restive ether
we all knew it was jokes but there’s actually people that hear that shit daily
half walrus
what'd she even say that was homophobic
restive ether
i forget, it was something in a tweet to jamie
half walrus
don't remember anything there specifically but i don't pay attention
restive ether
pretty sure she used the f word
pearl sail
calling people a British ciggy is really satirical
half walrus
w/ what context
restive ether
argument
restive ether
probably jamie calling her out for something she said in the server
and then her making it worse
pearl sail
yep it was truly a big brain play
restive ether
am i correct?
half walrus
not saying it's ok to use but it has different connotation in other communities as much as people hate to admit
restive ether
most of that is off my drug fried memory
pearl sail
you are
lethal kayak
wtf how high were you
restive ether
back then? a lot
pearl sail
we always are too high
lethal kayak
cam baked
half walrus
not as high as krit 24/7 
restive ether
not saying it's ok to use but it has different connotation in other communities ...
i mean i don’t think that’s your best course after someone tweets a screenshot of you saying the n word
lethal kayak
4chan moment
half walrus
i mean i don’t think that’s your best course after someone tweets a screenshot o...
well nep's kinda retarded
pearl sail
It just wasn't a good look for her she certainly didn't help her case
restive ether
yeah
<key>com.apple.private.kernel.override-cpumon</key>
<true/>
i wonder what this entitlement is for
pearl sail
nword is used as a light insult on 4chan
not even a insult tbh on 4chan
lethal kayak
true
half walrus
that's overgeneralizing a bit but yeah
most people don't go hard-r there but nobody is going to tell someone not to
pearl sail
yeah they legitimately overused the word to the point where it means nothing of significant on 4chan
restive ether
@lethal kayak me after giving launchctl every entitlement possible
lethal kayak
lmao
half walrus
i mean i don’t think that’s your best course after someone tweets a screenshot o...
and this conversation is long dead but fwiw
*discord* screenshots
half walrus
i was in all of her servers
it didn't surprise me but she insisted heavily enough on which of those things weren't said I'm inclined to believe her
restive ether
mfw i have like 20 discord screenshots from own
pearl sail
I mean it didn't help when you legitimately could search her name and find some offensive slur attached to it
half walrus
the worst bits were fake, most was out of context stuff
half walrus
some dude she knew from there who was trying to get payback over some shit
restive ether
yeah
pearl sail
that dude came on Sileo server to brag for a bit
restive ether
but a lot of like the racist stuff was real
i forget what else was there
but i do remember some being fake
but it still proved the point that was trying to be made with or without
lethal kayak
4chan is stupid anyways lol
restive ether
idk how people use 4chan
half walrus
how i look at it is: there may have been faked messages there, and all of it might've been out of context, but the way she behaved made it impossible for herself or anyone to defend her
restive ether
i don’t get it
half walrus
so is reddit lmfao
lethal kayak
i dont like reddit but you dont really see suicide encouragement on there lol
not in any relevant subs at least
pearl sail
r/jelbrek_
restive ether
you can present reddit way better than 4chan
half walrus
can tell who hasn't spent more than 2 minutes on 4chan bc they say its the worst site on the planet
restive ether
i’m mostly talking about /g/ and /b/
lethal kayak
/b/
half walrus
/b lol
restive ether
and /pol/
lethal kayak
lol
half walrus
go browse r/the_donald
restive ether
banned sub
half walrus
whichever one they moved to
lethal kayak
well /pol/ is literally made to be politically incorrect lol
pearl sail
all social media site suck
half walrus
using /pol/ or /b/ as an example is like saying the donald trump subs represent reddit
lethal kayak
fair enough
pearl sail
Bring back myspace
restive ether
i’ll take that
pearl sail
people were chill on myspace
lethal kayak
people are chill here
half walrus
/g/ has a lot of neps, but really good discussions on stuff
pearl sail
/g/ has a lot of neps, but really good discussions on stuff
surprisingly true
half walrus
just have to sort through the rest instead of it being brought to you by a hive mind of upvotes
pearl sail
I wish I could make a VM for everytime I want open up 4chan in a browser
half walrus
4chan is just reddit w/o upvotes or usernames would be one way to look at it
same neckbearded population
same platform elitism
pearl sail
You know one of the cofounders of 4chan is thought to be Qanon
no proof just speculation
half walrus
i've never cared so little about something
restive ether
yeah and the other hates 4chan
pearl sail
yeah
lethal kayak
8chan is actually fucked tbh
pearl sail
no
restive ether
i can’t believe we have qanon supports in congress
like we’re literally letting some random 4chan teenager influence US policy
half walrus
8chan the Geometric Repo of chans
half walrus
like we’re literally letting some random 4chan teenager influence US policy
no doubt 3 letter agencies know who it is at this point
not really worried
gaunt mesa
what happened
pearl sail
8chan legitimately needs to be have a host machine connected to a vpn. Then a VM spinned up with tor browser installed
gaunt mesa
3:24
half walrus
what'd you expect
gaunt mesa
im online
lethal kayak
i think you were gone for more than 30 minutes
pearl sail
It is 12:24am
gaunt mesa
remember that one night when it was all talking about weed
restive ether
no doubt 3 letter agencies know who it is at this point
well you are talking about a pro trump CIA
lethal kayak
restive ether
so it’s in their favor
half walrus
are they pro trump rn
restive ether
i meant FBI*
half walrus
or just the director
restive ether
director, but that’s all you really need
lethal kayak
regardless they still probably know who it is
pearl sail
well you are talking about a pro trump CIA
so a pro trump CIA is just the CIA
restive ether
if they’re like “nah it’s not important” then it’s not important
half walrus
although fwiw they usually aren't political
restive ether
you’re talking about the people who peddled drugs to minorities
half walrus
all they worried about is spyin on everyone
gaunt mesa
tri
restive ether
they don’t really care about a conspiracy theorist
half walrus
and buying exploits from esser
pearl sail
although fwiw they usually aren't political
The CIA is very political my dude
restive ether
CIA scares about politics
gaunt mesa
triangle
half walrus
they don’t really care about a conspiracy theorist
when he's influencing elected officials and has a large cult following
gaunt mesa
peep ur DMs real quick
restive ether
they just aren’t used politically in a conventional sense
lethal kayak
terry davis quotes
restive ether
idk man, if it’s in their favor i doubt they see harm
lethal kayak
except he didn't say agents
restive ether
same people who funded far right authoritarian dictatorships
so
maybe you’re right with DHS though, no clue
half walrus
3 letters stepped in on the far right attempted coup in that one state
restive ether
they also consistently invalidate the election results of a socialist country
without even being there
so
pearl sail
CIA: Ok we are gonna ruin other countries and take control of their drug trade to have large control of the world and who are the villans we deal with. But we only make it look like we incompetent.
half walrus
as much as the directors political affiliations can influence decision making, most of the organizations' members are just doing the same thing they have for the past 20 years
restive ether
if you told me the CIA worsened the opiate crisis i’d believe it
pearl sail
Trust me dude the CIA is playing games to this date
restive ether
likely
half walrus
mm not like in the 70s
pearl sail
Middle east has such vast amount of opium
half walrus
why would they need to do what they did back then
restive ether
same reason
half walrus
like we know esser and others sell them exploits
pearl sail
Cause they legitimately can and no one can stop them
half walrus
what i'm saying is they focus on device exploitation and cyberwarfare much more than their other fronts
pearl sail
That is more NSA level of play
pearl sail
China put literately backdoors into all the tech they have their hands on so no one can truly compete with them
restive ether
EU wants to force companies like telegram to give them keys
rip net neutrality though
half walrus
i honest to god don't believe that <phone company that starts with an H here> phone/cell shit was a genuine thing
restive ether
i don’t care that it didn’t change anything, it’s the point
restive ether
i have no idea what that means
oh the chinese H phone company
the one trump dabbed on?
half walrus
tiktok ban and the phone company cell tower scandal in the UK
restive ether
lol them
half walrus
pronounced like hawaii
restive ether
yeah idk what happened with that
half walrus
not gonna try and spell it
pearl sail
Yes, because the country in where 90% of technology come from doesn't has some way to influence your tech
restive ether
i don’t know if anything did
pearl sail
huawei
half walrus
Yes, because the country in where 90% of technology come from doesn't has some w...
it wasn't proven at any point, and without proof it's just speculation
restive ether
considering the CPP has direct lines to you if you’re in china
it’s not impossible
pearl sail
I mean they could just pull the plug if they wanted to
restive ether
or really a demanding thing to believe
half walrus
and it is so massively frustrating seeing the disconnect between the general population and understanding how backdoors and security like that works
like the one guy that made a huge scandal out of opening tiktok in IDA
restive ether
it’s completely believable the CCP has access to every single record ever on those phones and networks
half walrus
of course they do
restive ether
lol remember tik tok got in trouble for their clipboard scanning
pearl sail
and it is so massively frustrating seeing the disconnect between the general pop...
No I understand that, but it is foolish to think that they don't have that access
half walrus
thank god we live in the US and not communist china
lethal kayak
What ever happened to Donnie’s TikTok ban
restive ether
but the company is directly connected to the communist chinese
restive ether
abolish the NSA
half walrus
nah
restive ether
fuck him for that
pearl sail
China manipulates everything they have their hands in. Their own economy is one example
half walrus
yall missing what happened with tiktok
lethal kayak
Oh yeahhhh
half walrus
isn't it kind of weird that
half walrus
out of nowhere, it became this massive national security issue
lethal kayak
Well I never agreed with the tencent ban
restive ether
tencent is too big
half walrus
and the only acceptable deal was a US company that donates to republicans being given ownership of part of the company
half walrus
otherwise they lose one of their biggest markets
and then suddenly overnight the issue is gone?
lethal kayak
What were those things called way back when
Where you’d have a city boss
And a local boss
And the local boss would help you out if you voted for a certain official
half walrus
bribery at the highest level
a lot of people usually are grasping at straws accusing the president of stuff but this one was pretty blatant
lethal kayak
Like bail your family out of jail or buy stuff for you
pearl sail
Here is the real change that needs to happen in America. Abolish the government and start over with people who aren't making money off political deals and buisness
restive ether
we need to overturn Citizens v. United first
lethal kayak
Lol unless the military is onboard with that idea it won’t happen
half walrus
Here is the real change that needs to happen in America. Abolish the government ...
you might like rousseau's ideas then
pearl sail
Lol unless the military is onboard with that idea it won’t happen
Honestly with the rising of unmanned vehicles and weapons. Any resistance that really need the military would be crushed
Also remember Japanese people and 1942
half walrus
lol there's no coup happening in the US
nor will there be
or civil war
or any of that
pearl sail
Yeah I know
restive ether
china needs one more than anyone else
half walrus
people are too glued to tech
pearl sail
yep look at us
half walrus
i sound like a boomer but at this point, people've found a way to be comfortable in spite of massive societal issues
restive ether
tech causes the arab spring
half walrus
and things wont improve
pearl sail
tech causes the arab spring
Arab spring worked out Saudi Arabia
still the main money makers
still bombing Yemen
half walrus
china needs one more than anyone else
china has the same thing going on but on crack lol
pearl sail
Still funding Terrorism
half walrus
literal control over the internet
there will be no revolution there while the internet exists
pearl sail
restive ether
that get some of the restricted stuff
pearl sail
I am sure they are on some list
half walrus
along w/ TOR and others existing
lethal kayak
“Re-education”
restive ether
i can’t believe china is committing genocide and no one talks about it
half walrus
i can’t believe china is committing genocide and no one talks about it
wouldn't wanna hurt that sweet sweet trade money man
lethal kayak
True until after
half walrus
tbf @ pokimane it wasn't known outside of germany and there wasn't exactly internet
restive ether
they won’t survive without each other
pearl sail
It would destroy the economy
half walrus
the camps were found after the fact and history of it told by survivors
lethal kayak
Well like the Russians were shocked at what they found when they found the camps
restive ether
the camps were found after the fact and history of it told by survivors
and denied by people on the internet 60 years later
those people that say it was mathematically impossible...
half walrus
probably failed math
restive ether
idk i’ve seen the numbers
i’m just like
wtf
did you seriously look all tbis up
and say
yeah they couldn’t have disposed of this many human lives
what’s wrong with you man
6m was on the low side of estimates
lethal kayak
Also what gain would these old people get by lying
pearl sail
NOT WHEN SOVIET RUSSIA HAS KILLED 100MIL
half walrus
i think most "serious" holocaust deniers are anti-semitics
restive ether
very
lethal kayak
True
restive ether
who are also now anti semitic
pearl sail
true
half walrus
see no the mistake people make is they assume that
pearl sail
Charleston 2016
restive ether
then it morphs
half walrus
when the people following those conspiracy theories might legitimately not have anything against jewish people
pearl sail
Charleston 2016
"THE JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
half walrus
just impressionable and then from there dealing with confirmation bias
restive ether
"THE JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!"
proud boys, still now
sorry, tiki torch bubble boys
half walrus
same times of people to grow up into cookie-cutter racists but there've been people who've shown it's a more nuanced issue than people like to admit
pearl sail
I mean all they need is hoods and you got Klan
pearl sail
They made him yeah
half walrus
and put out videos on his social describing the process through which trans people should be murdered
restive ether
and the proud boys were trying to a run a “we’re totally bot racist“ campaign
ah homophobic and racist
epic
lethal kayak
don’t understand homophobia
restive ether
people become racist when they see too many PragerU facebook videos
lethal kayak
is it just xenophobia in general
lethal kayak
Exactly
restive ether
that’s a religious issue
pearl sail
I don't understand hate towards another person in general
lethal kayak
Undeserved hate
pearl sail
yeah
restive ether
it especially doesn’t make sense in christianity because to my knowledge there’s nothing against the gays in the bible
pearl sail
it just don't make sense to hate a person for something they cannot control
lethal kayak
I have a whole slew of DMs from this kid I could post
restive ether
what happened to love thy neighbor man
half walrus
i
restive ether
can’t take it
lethal kayak
His IG account got banned for racism and anti semitism while in high school
restive ether
then you’re gone
half walrus
yeah no it's more of like
once you start to realize you might be
or start to push towards that
lethal kayak
Instagram usually doesn’t hand out bans lightly
half walrus
it's baked into your head to hate what you've realized you are
when you already hate the body you're in
restive ether
have they done a deeper study into which is the bigger reason
restive ether
nah i get it, it’s understandable
half walrus
have they done a deeper study into which is the bigger reason
it's not like you can ask them
restive ether
i never thought of it like that
lots of suicide notes usually
i don’t think many people just go without a word
in that scenario
but what do i know really
half walrus
i never thought of it like that
didn't either but i've had a, long past few months
restive ether
i am a straight white male after all
and i’ve never really known that many trans people
half walrus
and it's become very clear how a lot of people can't handle it to me at this point
restive ether
yeah i know, i just don’t have personal experience in that sector
half walrus
not suicidal myself but i get it now
restive ether
with gay people in general yeah, not trans
but i guess the situations are probably a mirror image
pearl sail
man being fucking suicidal suck ass man
restive ether
i feel that
my sleep schedule is terrible because of it
so i go on here to distract myself
fun time
lethal kayak
I’m not suicidal but I sometimes consider how there’s no real point in living
half walrus
but i guess the situations are probably a mirror image
ykw i'm actually hopeful when it comes to people being gay in 2020
pearl sail
Contemplating taking your life and then trying to figure out how it would effect others around you. Is just fucking painful
restive ether
ykw i'm actually hopeful when it comes to people being gay in 2020
in america? i’m not
i don’t trust the courts
to uphold their freedoms if it comes to that
half walrus
i again have personal experience lemme finish
christian parents on both sides although my dad and his wife are far more liberal
restive ether
I’m not suicidal but I sometimes consider how there’s no real point in living
this is what happens when you grew up in the 9/11 era and all you’ve seen is endless war and pain.
restive ether
and you know it because the internet won’t hide it from you
lethal kayak
Pretty accurate
restive ether
and you know the world is falling apart at the seems from climate change and all that.
lethal kayak
And antibiotic resistant bacteria
restive ether
anyways i think socially gay people will do great as the years go by
half walrus
i apparently act effeminate so they're pretty convinced i'm gay
pearl sail
It is more fucked up when you participate is those damn war thinking you might make a difference.
restive ether
but i don’t think that translates well to old people white people in government
half walrus
and tell me constantly that if i like guys it literally changes nothing and they'll still love me
restive ether
It is more fucked up when you participate is those damn war thinking you might m...
they are but a clueless cog in the war machine
lethal kayak
Ok well gn streaks
restive ether
gn
lethal kayak
Have to sleep for exam
pearl sail
gn
half walrus
and tell me constantly that if i like guys it literally changes nothing and they...
and i believe it
restive ether
i apparently act effeminate so they're pretty convinced i'm gay
i know how this feels.
half walrus
i'm so so hopeful that like
restive ether
even though i’ve been with my girlfriend for two years at this point
half walrus
especially because my dad and his wife are more liberal and in touch with that stuff
they'll figure it out themselves
half walrus
no intention of seeing my mothers side of the family after i leave in january but i'm fairly comfortable knowing my dads side will probably be accepting
restive ether
like i feel like a lot of the people in my side of family are ok with it until it’s directly next to them
pearl sail
they are but a clueless cog in the war machine
Yeah I feel like that after getting out in 2015
half walrus
my mother is completely religiously indoctrinated but the type mentally to learn to live with it if i were gay
half walrus
she'd have me institutionalized if i came out as trans to her lol
restive ether
Yeah I feel like that after getting out in 2015
i blame the military for the emotional hardship i’ve dealt with for the second half of this year
half walrus
so goodbye to this shit town
restive ether
i have absolutely 0 proof of it but the chances are so likely it’s hard to ignore
especially when the military themselves have never acknowledged it as an issues
half walrus
are you enlisted?
gaunt mesa
gaunt mesa
rip that really sucks
half walrus
i think ALS is purely genetic but things can happen, especially in the 70s
restive ether
they don’t accept ALS as one of the causes of the chemicals they were testing there
but they still pay you
and if you’re a military member you’re twice as likely to get ALS
restive ether
i think ALS is purely genetic but things can happen, especially in the 70s
it’s actually less likely to be genetic
you have a 10% chance of getting ALS through genetics
if you have it
(i think i worded this poorly)
half walrus
biology is almost entirely out of the field of things i've studied so that was out of my ass
restive ether
i truly hope it’s not from my families genetics
insurance will not cover testing to ensure it
and i do not wish to even pass that genetic possibility to my kids
half walrus
no kids gang
restive ether
because it is easily the most painful thing i have had to witness
half walrus
well me specifically like
gaunt mesa
if its really personal u don't have to share
half walrus
if things go well here, i'm still trying to figure myself out, its not going to be biologically possible anymore so ~
pearl sail
he got diagnosed with ALS in july
Your grandfather was around when the US started using PFAs? There are hella bases that have a high concentrate I remember they told us
pearl sail
That is fucked
gaunt mesa
if things go well here, i'm still trying to figure myself out, its not going to ...
oh, sorry i didn't know
restive ether
they explicitly say they do not acknowledge those chemicals to cause ALS
they literally went out of their way to say it
half walrus
oh, sorry i didn't know
haven't mentioned it publicly before 30 minutes ago so
gaunt mesa
damn
half walrus
restive ether
there’s literally 3 people from his unit that got it, how does that even happen?