development

[sonic totem]

Wdym

OH

Yes idk why

@lapis vessel always questions me on it (very validly)

I just put it there once and now won’t put it back

[grim sparrow]

😭

[tepid olive]

CoreTrust v2.0 eta wen

[sonic totem]

Over 2 years ago 👍

[thorn ether]

why does this happen in NewTerm when connected via VNC and typing with physical keyboard?

[visual meadow]

just ssh in at that point lol

[thorn ether]

i do but sometimes i need to test the actual terminal on device

[visual meadow]

fair enough but that happens to me too

[thorn ether]

newterm needs to come out of beta 😭

[thorn ether]

someone pls fix this issue 🙏 thanks

[rocky oriole]

😭 same here

right tab bar on top

[hasty ruin]

left + autohide + 0 delay

👍

[hasty ruin]

butterfly keyboard

[grim sparrow]

@lime pivot

[harsh junco]

it will when zebra 2 comes out :tro:

[thorn ether]

https://tenor.com/view/zebra-zebras-animal-gif-26140827

[cloud yacht]

This happens with my ipads physical keyboard too

[thorn ether]

ah so its strictly a physical keyboard issue, not a VNC + physical keyboard issue

[orchid fulcrum]

no way you guys are calling dock tab bar

[harsh junco]

task bar

[rocky oriole]

i said tab bar cause amy said tab bar

usually i say dock

[thorn ether]

dock bar

docking task tab bar

[dusk cove]

tab dock

[warped sparrow]

Unrelated but to fix the lines disable afont for newterm in choicy

[thorn ether]

I don't have afont

[warped sparrow]

Oh what, might be snowboard fonts but I remember it being font related when i got the issue

[thorn ether]

It's a newterm issue. If font size is small, the lines appear

If I increase font size, it disappears

[warped sparrow]

Ahh i see

[thorn ether]

Newterm be havin issues

😔

[lime pivot]

tomorrow after lunch

tbh pretty sure I already fixed the key repeat thing but never released an update

[quaint rain]

Cydia 3 eta w3n

[torn oriole]

Banned from havoc

Icraze use your drm to ban this users ID

[thorn ether]

PLEASE RELEASE 🙏

[thorn ether]

@frank scarab hi, perhaps do you have a downloadable deb link for your trolldecryptjb fork ?

[thorn ether]

@visual meadow @cloud yacht i figured out a really nice workaround. Disable "Key Repeat" setting in iOS Settings then create an AHK script to add repeated key functionality back, having the script strictly only work while focused in my VNC program.

[indigo kraken]

can’t speak on the other changes but changing the device version through MobileGestalt seems needlessly dangerous -- https://github.com/Lizynz/TrollDecryptJB/blob/6d39a6a5b8ecd1bef7c564142fb79058706d325e/TDRootViewController.m#L31

I would remove that and install AppStoreTroller instead

[thorn ether]

ah alright. was just tryna see if the fork would work for me on iOS 15.0 cus the original one doesn't work. doesn't ever let me actually install the app to decrypt it. never appears in the app list

AppStoreTroller doesn't actually install the latest version of the app either

[indigo kraken]

also removing those last two lines fixed the freezing issue for me (this is from a random commit on my own local copy, the changes above aren’t necessary) https://haste.zneix.eu/avyvobysal

[indigo kraken]

a random note; if you try to install the app through the Account -> Purchased screen, the install will fail, you have to install the app through searching it or opening a link (either, as long as it isn’t through previous purchases)

[thorn ether]

yeah i've only ever tried searching it

never actually installs

always this

i asked Huy, and he said it only works for iOS 14

[regal bane]

1. You are writing to the wrong person. 2. Yes, using MobileGestalt is not the best solution, I couldn’t find any other way to install the application. 3. The goal was to decrypt applications that require iOS 26 on an iPad 7, which was ultimately achieved, even if not in the cleanest way. 4. Thanks for the corrections, check them out later.

[indigo kraken]

didn’t mean to offend :p

[velvet path]

bump maybe?

[grim sparrow]

lol

[hasty ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[thorn ether]

https://tenor.com/view/winterz-soon-gif-19096204

[rocky oriole]

nvm, my message came off as rude

[steady nest]

patching gestalt file when you’re jailbroken is crazy

[cloud yacht]

Ah yes let me install autohotkey on my iPad real quick

[indigo kraken]

probably wouldn’t have even mentioned it if wasn’t such a critical value lol

[thorn ether]

I realized that after I sent my msg but it's still a workaround for me 😀

[severe blade]

hello. so im gonna try coding my first ios tweak but i had a problem with installing Theos, more specifically the SDKs.

it simply gave me this error message and i have no idea why it would fail if i have a good connection.

ERROR: api.github.com request failed?!

[cloud yacht]

curious, it may have been some temportary failure or perhaps some ratelimit. IF you try again does it work?

[severe blade]

nope...

im gonna try later and see if its gonna resolve itself. otherwise i might try a DNS flush

dns flush fixed it. lovely...

[gentle grove]

"I should set up my service discovery using DNS"

[lime pivot]

_boba._tcp.local

[harsh junco]

https://fwsgonzo.medium.com/using-c-as-a-scripting-language-part-14-a2cb380b1998

[manic forum]

i spent one month of 2025 writing scripts in java

not javascript

java scripts

[harsh junco]

reflection?

[manic forum]

more specifically ghidra scripts

[thorn ether]

bumping this bump

[gentle grove]

Any language and any program can be a script

[left sedge]

assembly

[lime pivot]

it’s a joke lol I’m sorry

I thought mike knew the tomorrow after lunch bit ngl

[thorn ether]

aw

[lime pivot]

I’ll get to it sometime, I’m just out of practice on everything honestly and don’t want to release it full of bugs

[thorn ether]

understandable 💯

[lime pivot]

also going to be travelling and won’t have my test devices

but I’ll figure something out. it is literal years overdue for an update

[grim sparrow]

You know it’s fun you still have the McDonald pfp

With the fake brick wall

[lime pivot]

lmao thanks I got good use out of it

I keep forgetting to ask someone to take a new one

[grim sparrow]

It’s still relevant

It’s not like you’ve grown since

[lime pivot]

amy I swear my shoe size went up by one

I’m so mad

that grew and I wasn’t even asking for it

already very above average for my height

[lime pivot]

ngl it reminds me of my last big trip so I don’t mind it that way

also just before or after I met Hugo, I forget the timeline

still fucking miss that guy

[grim sparrow]

Could be worse, you could have tiny feet for your height

[lime pivot]

everything about my anatomy implies I was meant to be tall, I’m just not, lmao

[grim sparrow]

What else implies it Adam 🧌

[lime pivot]

[arctic eagle]

hi

can someone recommend a tweak development server?

[rocky oriole]

the channel you are in right now is probably your best bet

[cosmic briar]

https://theos.dev/discord

[arctic eagle]

I don't know. I dont have jailbreak, I've done some simple tweaks and used it with sideloading, but nothing beyond that.

[orchid fulcrum]

well code is the same so

[magic hazel]

LOL

[gentle grove]

POV @shrewd smelt and his ai coders https://x.com/i/status/2007972257076064538

vjeux ✪ (@Vjeux)

Nooooo… after working for 10+ hours fixing TODOs Claude Code got its context poisoned because it found a “TODO” in an original JS comment that it replaced with Note. But now it’s just replacing all the other todos with notes. And I’m not home to stop it…

X · Jan 5, 2026, 12:27 AM

[shrewd smelt]

my claude’s would never they respect me

[gentle grove]

I'm putting lead in your Claude's water

[cloud yacht]

First misrake is letting your computer automatically do stuff without being able to remotely disable it

[quaint rain]

Then why did they code Omni

[pearl sail]

Whoa that would make claude code on @native dune's level tro

[burnt aspen]

I have a jailbroken device (ipad running dopamine)
whats the recommended way to live debug apps and also record network packets afaik you can do it with frida or smth

[thorn ether]

Claude Code or Gemini Code Assist?

which one yall

[tepid nacelle]

claude code

[tepid nacelle]

+1

[slim bramble]

Gemini is hot garbage

[thorn ether]

bet

[thorn ether]

claude api expensive as hell damn

[light owl]

@native dune @shrewd smelt

[thorn ether]

just subbed to it and ran its limits in 20 minutes. shits too expensive. gemini pro can go forever

[slim bramble]

gemini is garbage

claude ftw

[thorn ether]

not when u can barely use it without having to spend a lot :/

[tepid olive]

Use VoidAI

[thorn ether]

[tepid olive]

https://voidai.app

[thorn ether]

interesting

[tepid olive]

125K free tokens per day

[slim bramble]

@tepid nacelle gm

[slim bramble]

do you actually need api

cuz the web version is good enough

[tepid olive]

Advertising for a friend

[native dune]

I do ts all the time lowk

[slim bramble]

fr

[native dune]

claude --dangerously-skip-permissions or whatever the arg is

[thorn ether]

api is needed if u run thru the subscription limit

if u want to continue without having to wait 4 hours

[slim bramble]

goyslop

[thorn ether]

which i ran the limit in 20 mins after buying the pro sub

[slim bramble]

this ?

[thorn ether]

ya

[slim bramble]

Pretty sure this is unlimited mcp

wtf

[slim bramble]

goyslop

:nebula:

[tepid nacelle]

Gm

[slim bramble]

help this poor fella

😭

[tepid nacelle]

glup

[light owl]

How is he going to help him

[severe blade]

no idea if there's a better way to do this, but its good enough.

SBApplication* app = [[SBApplicationController sharedInstance] applicationWithBundleIdentifier:@"com.apple.PosterBoard"];
SBApplicationInfo* appinfo = app.info;
posterboardUUID = [[[[appinfo dataContainerURL].absoluteString componentsSeparatedByString:@"/"] reverseObjectEnumerator] allObjects][1];
PBDataPath = jbroot([NSString stringWithFormat:@"/var/mobile/Containers/Data/Application/%@",posterboardUUID]);

[slim bramble]

TIL you can do this:

#import <MobileContainerManager/MobileContainerManager.h>
NSString *getContainerPath(NSString *bid) { return [MCMAppContainer containerWithIdentifier:bid error:nil].url.path; }

[thorn ether]

Gemini CLI on iOS

EZ

[cloud yacht]

install nvim on iOS

and use it

[slim bramble]

you are mentally ill

[cloud yacht]

fair

[reef trail]

there's nothing wrong with it

i use it sometimes

[daring grail]

normalise vibecoding

[wooden yarrow]

normalize actually knowing what your code does

[thick saddle]

normalise normalising

[stray viper]

Normalize no optimizations

Oh wait they already did

[harsh junco]

normalise -Ofast

[stray viper]

I meant unoptimized code but ok

[faint timber]

Normalize vector angles

[dusk cove]

normalize unsigned integers

[tepid olive]

[dusk cove]

what is wrong with unsigned integers

[gentle grove]

pov you're a java user

[slim bramble]

Fr

[acoustic imp]

leme hook u up

[gentle grove]

https://man.archlinux.org/man/bootup.7

This is a great manpage for understanding some of the basic systemd services

[frank estuary]

I tried decompiling WhatsApp using hopper and I tried looking for “v.whatsapp.net” but all I found was other subdomains and v.whatsapp.com idk what to do

(iOS 6)

[reef trail]

https://xyproblem.info

why are you looking for v.whatsapp.net

[frank estuary]

My bad

I wanna try fixing it by being the middleman and translating data like I did with instagram

So I tried using Charles proxy

But the first response when I attempted to login is to v.whatsapp.net and it returns 503 and all I can see is the connects request

So I tried replacing v.whatsapp.net in /etc/hosts, didn’t work
So I tried in the code itself

[severe blade]

how do i make something similar to this? an orderable list that can be added/removed?

[light owl]

@kind herald

[cloud yacht]

greedy mods taking all the crypto casino money for themselves

[kind herald]

fr im rich now

[wooden yarrow]

is this why you can sit on your ass moderating the r slash jailbreak server while being paid in exposure (being slightly higher up the screen than normal users)

[kind herald]

Yup

[wooden yarrow]

can i marry you and immediately divorce so i get 50% of your wealth

[kind herald]

nop

[wooden yarrow]

devastation

[wooden yarrow]

https://vxtwitter.com/i/status/2011366858960830871 how you guys feeling about crust

tess (@xsphi)

↪️ Replying to @xsphi

LOOK AT THIS SHIT ISN'T IT DELIGHTFUL?

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jan 14, 2026, 9:16 AM

[magic hazel]

Dear god

[orchid fulcrum]

what am i even looking at

[wooden yarrow]

valid C code

[cloud yacht]

with macros a lot of stuff can be valid c code

[dusk cove]

is it better to learn c or swift first

[severe blade]

idk why its complaining that the values property isnt found in PSSpecifier even tho its there based on the ios headers page. theos just doesnt contain it for some reason.

[magic hazel]

Depends on what you want to do

Do you just wanna write modern iOS applications?

[harsh junco]

"Modern"

[tepid olive]

What if they want to write armv7 apps

[harsh junco]

Objc

[quaint rain]

This ur phone?

[reef trail]

what are you trying to build

if you're making an ios app, no point learning c

if you're trying to learn computer science i'd say c

so "is c or swift better to learn" really depends on your goals

[vivid dew]

learn c

[slim bramble]

Rt

[ancient moss]

c

[orchid fulcrum]

objc is mostly just c and u can make ios apps with it so there is at least some point

[grim sparrow]

Well that’s just kinda not true though

Like we’re really stretching

[reef trail]

i mean they're very different

similar syntax

[grim sparrow]

Its like comparing C# to C

[reef trail]

but usage wise

[grim sparrow]

God I hated having to use C#

[orchid fulcrum]

crazy take

in fact you don't even need objc if we are "really strecthing" just use the runtime api 👍

[severe blade]

bro this pisses me off. this is worse than [deleted]

[grim sparrow]

the worst is:

"Hey I have this really annoying problem that I can't figure out how to solve"

"Oh nvm I solved it"

[thick saddle]

why do so many people use redact??

[grim sparrow]

one of the main reasons is reddit signed a deal with openai to train chatgpt

[thick saddle]

i see

[grim sparrow]

for a hot while reddit was one of chatgpt's primary sources which was insane

because the main source in a reddit comment is "because I said so"

[lime pivot]

yeah but they stuck it to the man by making sure people coming organically from search results would find nothing useful

[lime pivot]

I mean, it's too late. LLMs already got everyone's comments years ago

both authorised and not

redact only inconveniences legitimate users

[rocky oriole]

also the reddit bot api thing they did a few years ago

that killed apollo n other apps

[severe blade]

flashbacks to that one time google ai recommends smoking while pregnant bc someone from reddit said so

[severe blade]

yeah. reddit api was free to use until that time when they decided to make it paid which placed apollo on a very rough plane bc a lot of people use for its accessibility features that reddit somehow does not have in its app. in total, they would have to pay about a million dollars i think for that api usage

[rocky oriole]

one reddit user says

[severe blade]

also the audacity of spez hosting a r/place event after that whole situation

the "fuck spez" canvas

[rocky oriole]

i think for apollo it was like 20 million per year or some crazy shit

[rocky oriole]

probably to cover it up

[severe blade]

yeah

btw i have no idea why i cant get my psbuttoncell to show a red text color. already made a custom one but it wont show up for some reason. any good examples?

[rocky oriole]

idk

[radiant idol]

@magic hazel
Working on a Swift tweak right now that would work from iOS 11 to iOS 17. It seems to work fine on iOS 12, but in order to get the oldabi arm64e version running, I need to use Xcode 11.7, however I'm having a good amount of issues getting that running, any idea what I can do?

<unknown>:0: error: Swift does not support the SDK 'iPhoneOS12.4.sdk'
<unknown>:0: error: Swift does not support the SDK 'iPhoneOS12.4.sdk'

the main issue is this

[magic hazel]

Looks like a mismatched Swift version with iOS, you don’t need to use the iOS 12 sdk for anything to my knowledge

Have you tried using the iOS 13 sdk?

[radiant idol]

yes, trying to use the iOS 13.7 SDK has some issues too

hold on

<unknown>:0: error: unable to load standard library for target 'arm64-apple-ios13.7'

<unknown>:0: error: unable to load standard library for target 'arm64e-apple-ios13.7'

[magic hazel]

Interesting

Can you send me your xcode project?

Sometimes theres miss configs

[radiant idol]

It's not an Xcode project, it's through Theos

it's a tweak

[magic hazel]

Ah Theos

See I don't know if Theos does any dumb stuff w swift

I'll look into it

[radiant idol]

oh okay

[magic hazel]

In theory it still should work fine tho

[radiant idol]

right

[radiant idol]

@magic hazel Got it to work somehow, specified this in the Makefile:

export TARGET := iphone:clang:13.7:11.0
export ARCHS = arm64 arm64e

export PREFIX=/Applications/Xcode-11.7.app/Contents/Developer/Toolchains/XcodeDefault.xctoolchain/usr/bin/

And copied over the 13.7 toolchain from my old Mac, and that seemed to work for some reason

For reference, the Swift version it's on is Swift 5.2.4

[magic hazel]

Interesting

Yeah, that's the version I use as a base for all my swift shenanigans

[radiant idol]

Gotcha

[magic hazel]

(aka my stdlib version)

i layer swift 5.10 on top of that but

5.2 should work

[radiant idol]

I had to change a bit of the code (removing #unavailable, having to do guard let abc = abc else { return } instead of guard let abc else { return }, but that's abotu it)

[magic hazel]

ah yeah

i have that asw

(but not because i have to, bcus i dont like the errors)

they goa way when i build w swift 5.10

[radiant idol]

gotcha

By the way, you seem to have a lot of legacy devices. Do you have an iOS 11 device by chance?

[magic hazel]

Unfortunately not, but are you using any iOS 11 specific APIs?

I may be able to boot iOS 11 on one of them

what actually is the tweak

[radiant idol]

Yeah, home bar

[radiant idol]

Adds a double-tap to the homebar to invoke Type to Siri

But it's all good, I got someone to test it, it works

[magic hazel]

Interesting

Oh cool

[magic hazel]

So like the Apple Intelligence feature?

[radiant idol]

Yeah pretty much

It was surprisingly difficult to get it running lmao

[magic hazel]

I would imagine so

Pretty cool that you wrote it in swift tho

[radiant idol]

Yeah, it was a little annoying but also fun

I will make this project free and open source soon, was really interesting to get it working for sure

[quaint rain]

Sell it on havoc for $.99

[radiant idol]

👎

Hello @graceful gate, @exotic horizon seems to be having some issues with YouTube on iOS 11. May you please help him out?

[graceful gate]

What is it about? But usually YouTube compatibility on iOS 11 is pretty bad already.

[radiant idol]

Yeah, I’m not sure what the issue was, you can ask him yourself though

[graceful gate]

Sorry I don't take DM

[magic hazel]

Did you end up using the home bar or did you use trickery to just mask that part of the screen, because now that I think about it, it could be cool for older iOS

Might adapt it once it’s open sourced

[radiant idol]

https://github.com/NightwindDev/HomeBarSiri

[radiant idol]

I see, I’ll let them know to ping you somewhere here

[magic hazel]

I wonder when type to siri was added

[radiant idol]

Probably when Siri was added

https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/71loh4/ios_11_adds_type_to_siri_in_settings_so_you_no/

Oh

[magic hazel]

rip

[proud geyser]

yoo

[exotic horizon]

@graceful gate

[tepid olive]

The iOS 11 CC looks very weird

[exotic horizon]

Better than 13 or 18

[cedar stag]

https://x.com/krzyzanowskim/status/2012529910967898342?s=46

Marcin Krzyzanowski (@krzyzanowskim)

SFSymbol 👀 a private symbol for Objective-C found in macOS, is telling

X · Jan 17, 2026, 2:18 PM

[golden horizon]

someone know how can I send a hidreport to a display which is not my main display ? (like carplay screen)
i already know how to use IOHIDEventSystemClientDispatchEvent for my main display

[exotic horizon]

I guess he is not interested

In fixing this iOS 11 issue

[velvet path]

it's only been 12 hours?

[exotic horizon]

13

I want an answer not an fix

[sonic totem]

Solve it yourself then

[exotic horizon]

[exotic horizon]

I did one of this 4 tweaks fixes it

[tepid olive]

It’s technically still poomsmart that fixed it

[exotic horizon]

Yea the only thing that is left to fix is Spotify and WhatsApp

[main smelt]

anyone know how to bypass safari autoplay video on low power mode?

[graceful gate]

It’s probably YouPiP that fixes it. It forces a legacy AVPlayer onto videos.

Also I don’t spend as much time in this scene these days. Busy IRL.

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/i/status/2013642755717705936

Braindead Bird App (@tragicbirdapp)

X · Jan 20, 2026, 4:00 PM

[magic hazel]

Small time web developer, wait till you see the Australian criminals

[lime pivot]

hey

[light owl]

hey

[kind herald]

Hi

[stray viper]

Anyone know how to load a system framework using dlopen on ios? Like which path should I use?

And pls don't just tell me to link against the framework I'm not doing that for a reason

[grim sparrow]

It’s either /System/Library/Frameworks or /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks

It’s the same way you would any other library

[stray viper]

So /System/Library/Frameworks/frameworkname.framework/frameworkname ?

[grim sparrow]

E.g dlopen(“/System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Calculate.framework/Calculate”, RTLD_NOW)

[stray viper]

/System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGLES.framework/OpenGLES works too right?

Or is it in PrivateFrameworks?

Well I think it worked so thanks

[harsh junco]

why

gles is public

[stray viper]

Wdym by that?

[zealous wasp]

Can someone help me ill pay for work on something

[quaint rain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688124711145701393/1456823211533537400/togif.gif

[zealous wasp]

i have a game that shutdown but i really want to play it, its both offline and online. people on android bypass server check at the start to play offline can someone help me do same on ios ill pay

[quaint rain]

If the revival is open source you might be able to fork it and see if you might be able to compile it for iOS

<@&355174844205367317>

[kind herald]

Maxine

[quaint rain]

Maxine.

[kind herald]

Hi

[zealous wasp]

could i pay you to help

[quaint rain]

I’m not a developer

What methods did the android users do to get the game working?

[zealous wasp]

i think they just removed the server check for loading game

All i need is to bypass this

[cloud yacht]

If you want people to consider it you should provide as much info as possible, like the game, what the android users use, etc

[slim bramble]

@kind herald

gm

help this poor fella

[light owl]

@kind herald
gm
help this poor fella

[kind herald]

@kind herald
gm
help this poor fella

[gentle grove]

@slim bramble

gm

help this poor fella

[grim sparrow]

@slim bramble
gm
help this poor fella

[harsh junco]

@slim bramble
gm
help this poor fella

[thorn ether]

@slim bramble
gm
help this poor fella

[tepid olive]

@slim bramble
gm
help this poor fella

[thick saddle]

@slim bramble
gm
help this poor fella

[marsh ocean]

@slim bramble

gm

help this poor fella

[pseudo folio]

@slim bramble

gm

Help this poor fella

[light owl]

Why yall scared to ping maxine

[native dune]

@kind herald
gm
help this poor fella

[light owl]

@kind herald
gm
help this poor fella

[quaint rain]

@kind herald
gm
help this poor fella

[stray viper]

🔥

[daring grail]

this is the development chat

[orchid fulcrum]

https://github.com/Lessica/CoreTrust-OID-Bypass-Potential-Vuln-Analysis?tab=readme-ov-file

[grim sparrow]

Why is this back

[orchid fulcrum]

idk i saw it for the first time

[grim sparrow]

Its completely AI generated fwiw

It’s waffle

[orchid fulcrum]

damm i am normaly good at telling them apart 😭

plus lessica has cool stuff, thought it might be legit

[grim sparrow]

Somebody else wrote it initially, this appears to just be a copy

Look at the actual author

Not the repo owner

God knows why they’re rehosting it

[steady nest]

going to debunk this AI slop right away
https://github.com/pinauten/Fugu15/blob/84dd7dec3f635f50a94ac81afac24f0d3a3b4647/Exploits/fastPath/ca.conf#L64
ctv1 (fugu15) sets that exact OID and obviously doesn't work after 15.5

[steady nest]

this usually helps.

[orchid fulcrum]

💀

[stray viper]

Well this is development

[frank fossil]

that was forked prior to the upstream being deleted

[grim sparrow]

Ah is that how GitHub shows it

[lucid nebula]

How can I obtain a list of possible files that I can write to using entitlements of sandboxed itunesstored, iOS 9.3.6?

[sonic totem]

Sigh

I can exclusively confirm this is not true 😛

[grim sparrow]

nerd

[thorn ether]

https://x.com/fridadev/status/2015102028184232240

Frida (@fridadev)

@82Flex

I can confirm the coretrust vulnerability works

I wrote a runtime PoC

https://t.co/VQcOOFQYEs

X · Jan 24, 2026, 4:38 PM

tweet is now deleted

[slim bramble]

well well well

[velvet path]

and I can confirm that that dev is wholly incompetent (and also a terrible person but that's unrelated)

[lime pivot]

no it's definitely related

[kind herald]

fr

[sour halo]

who is frida

please educate me

[rocky oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189739986707288154/1464096655417807052/G_UR5qpbAAQYzWF.png?ex=69763404&is=6974e284&hm=5b37b99d2165670a8bcc2451ac7c49c7ebe7cbf0832208ec3a9c72107b91db14&

(pedophile + other horrible things i forgot)

[sour halo]

tf did I just read

[dusk cove]

wtf

[faint timber]

It’s in first person

[magic hazel]

I knew about him he was big back when I was in pkfd but oh my god I didn’t realise it was this bad Jesus

And that’s admission 2 💀

[tepid olive]

Therapy isn’t enough

6 is insane

[magic hazel]

Ong

I’m scarred for life

Bro I actually can’t even I have a sister who’s 9 and now I’m fearful that ppl
Like this actually exist

[naive kraken]

jesus this is much worse than I thought

how do I unread it?!?!?!?!

[kind herald]

bleach

[unkempt magnet]

wtf

[grim sparrow]

god I've read this before but every time I'm like uuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[slim bramble]

?

[sonic totem]

Same guy who @‘ed Labs asking how they could hire someone so stupid (me)

Jailbreak community, MDC community and sideloading community when it comes to competing for worst online group ever

[tepid olive]

Pretty sure all modding communities are equally bad

[cloud yacht]

theres definitly somee that are good, but they seem to have this quality that attracts childen and certain types of people

[hasty ruin]

i mean sean is mdc/sideloading for sure

i dont get how that side of the comm is so bad

[sour halo]

you are so right

game modding has the same issue

[tepid olive]

Nintendo ones are kinda decent

Everything with no eta kids

(Basically dead scenes)

[sour halo]

nah

maybe nintendo consoles but absolutely not nintendo games

trust me lol

[granite frigate]

more accessible

[ashen birch]

jfc i've gotta stop following random jb people that pop up on my feed

[robust bough]

jfc what i just saw

[thick saddle]

oh my god

[lime pivot]

console homebrew communities are apparently pretty strong competitors here

[cloud yacht]

https://youtu.be/WQKSyPYF0-Y

[severe blade]

i have no idea why indexPathForCell: is considered an "unrecognized specifier" for PSListController's tableView. and r/jailbreakdevelopers aint helping either with them saying "Solved!" without ever telling us how tf did they do it bruh

[slim bramble]

@lofty juniper

Gm

[stray viper]

Remember that’s just what he admitted to

[slim bramble]

bro is a full stack dev

[lime pivot]

you can ask the question here

the reason is because that's on UITableView, not PSListController

PSListController has -indexPathForSpecifier: and -indexPathForIndex:

you can get the table view with self.table

[silver rampart]

id be so fascinated 2 understand why this is the way it is in every thing-modding community consistently

its such a thing

[lime pivot]

teens being the most active/vocal in the community is probably most of it

[wooden yarrow]

well teens arent necessarily bad but i think probably just entitlement all around is what causes it

[lime pivot]

if you're interested in homebrew, chances are you're autistic and don't understand you're coming off very entitled to someone's free labor

and/or just don't understand yet that this is work being done for free that could have been worth $100+/hour

also hi @silver rampart hope you've been well

or some people are just jerks because

had someone in my server yesterday that was like "your thing sucks" and refused to elaborate

[silver rampart]

last year was as bad as it can get but that means this year fundamentally is not capable of being worse 🔥 things r ok now

[silver rampart]

he ran out of tokens give him 24hrs

[lime pivot]

that's unfortunate. I'm sure things will be better

[native dune]

Guy hit the rate limit

[silver rampart]

oh ya i picked up some xeon 8280s, from some like 8c xeon gold chips, i've been just staring at htop lately

more ram incoming soon tried to scoop some ECC DDR4 before the datacenters find that stuff too

SSDs are just un fucking purchasable rn tho like price spikes are as bad as DDR5 it's crazy

bad time to have a homelab box with only 8x2.5"

[severe blade]

tysm! :D
ill make note of that.

[timid furnace]

HDDs also went insane

i bought preemptively and it was a good thing because it got even worse

$17/TB now

[pearl sail]

$138 for 8tb is steep

[lime pivot]

pretty mad because I was putting off buying more drives

madge

[pearl sail]

AI and capitalism was always going to be a downward spiral tbh

[sour halo]

@kind herald

one jbo

[severe stream]

<@&355174844205367317>

[magic hazel]

Nooooo I should’ve bought earlier I was about to make a home media server

[lime pivot]

it's the entitlement that they're more important than anyone else's tech needs that's frustrating

[thorn ether]

https://x.com/zeroxjf/status/2015954477711303017

zeroxjf (@zeroxjf)

Remember when I got flamed for posting about the CoreTrust logic flaw? Apple seems to think it's important 😄 Shocker that vuln researchers go straight to Apple and not to the community. A smidge less drama

X · Jan 27, 2026, 1:06 AM

[orchid fulcrum]

1. should have included the report title
2. they can sometimes revoke the status from reproduced to reviewing or closed

[sour halo]

Is there a technical reason for why all web browser apps on ios have to use webkit or is it just because "apple says so"?

[hasty ruin]

no, hence why it is allowed in the EU now

just no one is gonna make one unless it's more available

[sour halo]

hmmm

how possible would it be on jb?

not asking how difficult necessarily 💀

[wooden yarrow]

i mean same as developing for the EU

[sour halo]

seriously?

[wooden yarrow]

why not

[sour halo]

interesting

[thorn ether]

suprised no one has made one yet

and charged for it

would make bank

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/08/07/japan-non-webkit-browsers-on-iphone/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

japan too? dam

[sonic totem]

This ‘bug’ is total BS

As I understand it, he’s basically saying “well if you can hit this code path that’s never normally hit and you control the parameters then CoreTrust will validate it successfully when it shouldn’t” but then to do that you need a kernel exploit and a kernel PAC bypass and at that point you already can have root/no sandbox/arbitrary entitlements

[sonic totem]

They don’t want to give the JIT entitlement to third party programs

So yes, it’s because Apple says so, but that’s the technical reason why they say so

[thorn ether]

ah thats dumb af then lol

[sour halo]

Nice

[sour halo]

for old ios versions you mean?

[thorn ether]

ya

[sour halo]

thats what I was thinking for ios 14 since the main thing making it unusable is most websites breaking

[cloud yacht]

I believe someone made a newer version of WebKit available on older iOS devices via a jailbreak

[thorn ether]

Yea Cyberkit?

[cloud yacht]

But irs a lot of work porting a browser engine (and likely a new user interface) for just a few users

[reef trail]

cyberkit

[thorn ether]

Shits slow and buggy

[cloud yacht]

Unfortunate

[reef trail]

you can try [[polyfills]] too tho

[faint lion]

Polyfills

Injects JavaScript Polyfills to iOS web views.

Author

PoomSmart

Version

2.17.2

Price

Free

Repo

PoomSmart's Repo

Bundle ID

com.ps.polyfills

Powered by Canister · Jan 27, 2026, 6:19 PM

[reef trail]

but again it's not perfect

[cloud yacht]

My iPads browser has slowly been getting worse, even with polyfills

[reef trail]

same with my phone

might be time to switch to android

[sonic totem]

Or just run stock

[reef trail]

i don't think i could manage running stock

[cloud yacht]

I definitly couldn't live without trollstore on my iPad

Also it's my only rootless tedt device

[sour halo]

trollstore is ios 15-17...?

[fading shell]

best advice

[cloud yacht]

Yes so if I upgraded I wouldn't be able to use ot

[sonic totem]

14*

[reef trail]

there's so many tiny things that pmo with stock tho

[sour halo]

ah

interesting

[sonic totem]

Wen eta 14-26

[sour halo]

cuz i'm wondering how many would realistically use ios 10-13 whatever

[reef trail]

alfie go make jb for ios 26 pls thanks

[sour halo]

a trollstore browser replacement could work for 14-17..

[sonic totem]

If I did it would be under NDA…

[sour halo]

how many versions support jit?

all?

[cloud yacht]

I daily drove an iPhone 4 on ios 7.1.2 for a week

[sonic totem]

It can’t

Even TrollStore can’t get the JIT entitlement

[sour halo]

no jit?

[reef trail]

make alt and pretend to be someone else 🤔

[sour halo]

cool

[sonic totem]

It’s not powerful enough

[sonic totem]

Still breaking NDA

[sour halo]

what NDA

[reef trail]

womp womp

[sour halo]

??

[cloud yacht]

I thought apps could give themselves jit with trollstore?

[sonic totem]

My work NDA

[reef trail]

no dick agreement

[sour halo]

I remember using dolphin emu yeah

[sour halo]

You work at apple?

[sonic totem]

Yeah I guess but it’s not proper

[cloud yacht]

Fair

[sonic totem]

No I work at Cellebrite

[sour halo]

LOL!

[sonic totem]

As an iOS security researcher

[sour halo]

You're joking right

[sonic totem]

No?

[reef trail]

cellebrite more like celldim

[sour halo]

I'm being censored but tbh thats a horrible thing to be apart of 💀

[reef trail]

he makes bank tho

[sour halo]

have fun ig

[sonic totem]

Your opinion makes zero difference to me 👍

[sour halo]

I assumed

[cloud yacht]

I'm curious why it's so bad (all I know about it Alfie works there)

[thorn ether]

You would work there if you could

[reef trail]

the main idea is to allow police to access locked devices

[sour halo]

^

[reef trail]

that's their many product from what i understand

[cloud yacht]

I see

Probably a reliable source of income

[reef trail]

and i personally don't think they should have access to locked phones like that but 🤷‍♂️

[sour halo]

yeah lol

[reef trail]

if it's gonna happen at least it's an honest person profiting from it (alfie)

[sour halo]

Odd way to see it lol

[reef trail]

i dislike the company, i am proud of alfie for succeeding with it

[sonic totem]

🥹

[reef trail]

😘

[sonic totem]

Thanks man

[sour halo]

I mean I understand "If you cant beat them, join them" like many devs and researchers do that, but this cause is just ludicrous

[reef trail]

at the end of the day alfie has a skill and that skills main purpose in a professional way is what cellebrite is doing

[sonic totem]

My other option was write 0clicks instead

[reef trail]

how do we know you're not doing both 🤨

[cloud yacht]

I'm curious is there any sort of expiry or process to make the findings public after a certain amount of time?

[sonic totem]

I can promise you I’m not but that’s about all I can do

[reef trail]

lols

i doubt you'd have the time

[sonic totem]

Erm no it’s basically just everything I work on while employed at Cellebrite is confidential and always will be

[cloud yacht]

That's a shame

[orchid fulcrum]

rude 🙁

[sonic totem]

Forgive me but it’s certainly not the first time someone has done this

[sour halo]

So you live in israel?

[sonic totem]

I had to learn to just shut it down

[reef trail]

it's a just level of rudeness imo

[sonic totem]

No I live in the UK lol

[sour halo]

Interesting

[sonic totem]

@orchid fulcrum also right before I sent that they called me a word that got filtered so

[kind herald]

Checking logs im curious

[sonic totem]

It begins with R

[orchid fulcrum]

tbh its impressive to work there imo, regardless of company motives

[kind herald]

Yup figured it out

[sour halo]

Moderator

I stand by the statement

Your job is regarded highly 👍

By many

[sonic totem]

For me I spend my days hacking iOS with a great team, I enjoy my job and that’s what matters

[sour halo]

Thats a fair perspective but i'd prefer to word it similarly to "I spend my days hacking iOS so government entities can be sold exploits and tools by israel that allow them unlawful entry into people's locked devices"
But it's great that you enjoy your job at least

[tepid olive]

At least he got a respectful job

Also I’m pretty sure that company isn’t just selling stuff for Israel

[sour halo]

Yeah, I don't blame them for accepting it

[sour halo]

wdym

[tepid olive]

Idk

[thorn ether]

It’s an Israeli company 💀

[grim sparrow]

I’m always gonna be conflicted on this though

A lot of companies are based there

So what

Maybe I’m wrong but I have the believe that these companies just happen to be based there, they didn’t choose to be based there

Politics aside, business happens all around the world

Israel as a country are doing terrible things right now, but that’s not the fault of a mobile security group

[sour halo]

It's not by accident

[quaint rain]

What if Aaron owns cellebrite and this server is a front

[sour halo]

sounds real

[naive kraken]

"unlawful", see you can think of it what you want, but if the law allows it, it's not unlawful

[sour halo]

depends on the region I believe

[naive kraken]

then fight it in court

or push for stricter laws

I'm personally not even opposed to that

[sour halo]

bold of you to assume normal citizens hold any of that power

[sour halo]

are modern legal systems not simply dominated by whoever has more money?

in this case, cellebrite, a massive company backed by governments holds extreme power

[grim sparrow]

Have you heard of this thing called protesting

[sour halo]

Protesting what lol?

I live in rural america most people don't even know this company exists...?

[naive kraken]

outside of the us? no

[sour halo]

okay

I'm not sure if thats true lol

[thorn ether]

Like protesting ever works

[sour halo]

Right lol

[grim sparrow]

It does???

[sour halo]

No, not unless there's already widespread support and media coverage of an issue

[grim sparrow]

Wow, and what causes that?

What gets the media talking about it

[sour halo]

Companies controlling the media...?

What?

[grim sparrow]

the protests…

[thorn ether]

Lol

[sour halo]

ah yes

[naive kraken]

I'm not even talking about cellebrite itself, I‘m talking about law enforcement

[elder scaffold]

I just witnessed a scene where protests against an organization were being shifted to individuals.

[thorn ether]

Media isn’t gonna cover a cellebrite protest by a couple people

[stray viper]

Most of these types of companies are based there

Israel needs it

[naive kraken]

It might surprise you but there are laws that law enforcement must follow and rights of individuals they must protect

[sour halo]

it is no accident and I question anyone here who makes the claim that it is lol

[elder scaffold]

you can buy media
or start it yourself

[thorn ether]

💀

[stray viper]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

[naive kraken]

I have a feeling you can't expand on this without risking a ban?

[sour halo]

wdym

it's not about religion lol if thats what you mean

[naive kraken]

I mean you're obviously implying something here but I'm not sure how bad it is

[sour halo]

oh

thats not what I meant

lmfao

I'm saying cellebrite isnt your run of the mill "mobile security group" so the claim that they "just happen to be in israel" is a fucking joke

[grim sparrow]

To my knowledge it’s just an company that’s headquartered there

[naive kraken]

I mean they're from Israel because there are a lot of skilled people in Israel

That's really about it

[sour halo]

I just dont know if that's true

[naive kraken]

About 50% of our research team is from Israel

The others are from all over the world

[sour halo]

Ok no ai output plz 😭

[grim sparrow]

That’s what I said but out of ChatGPT

[thorn ether]

Literally gives source

[grim sparrow]

Thats what was already said im confused

For a company to be a headquartered in a country it has to be registered with that government as a company in that country

So it’s an Israeli company because that’s where it’s registered? I don’t know

[sour halo]

Yeah there's absolutely more reason than that lol 💀

I'm trying to find a second source for this but: "Founded in Israel, Cellebrite boasts deep-rooted connections to the Israeli military-intelligence apparatus."

It's not happenstance idk where you're getting that from

[tribal path]

Please seriously do correct me if I’m wrong here, like please do

Doesn’t Israel have a long history of doing state-sponsored cyberattacks

[thorn ether]

https://thinktankmonitor.org/analysis-03-25-2016/

[sour halo]

Whats this site

[sour halo]

I was also under this assumption lol

[grim sparrow]

Yes, but quite a few countries do

They’re not unique in this

[elder scaffold]

Isn't the US doing it too?

[grim sparrow]

Yes

[faint timber]

something something snowden

[grim sparrow]

The UK, US, South Korea are the first that come to mind

[sour halo]

I read it but what is this website lol 💀

i've never heard of it

[grim sparrow]

Preach

The US will hack you and you will like it

[sour halo]

Unfortunate tbh

[sour halo]

I'm seriously confused on your point now lol

[thorn ether]

South Korea? You mean North Korea??

[elder scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-jong-un-gif-6119244402377892028

[grim sparrow]

I mean, we know more about South Korea’s efforts

[thorn ether]

South Korea doesn't do that..

[grim sparrow]

I thought they did

[grim sparrow]

A company can exist in a country independent of the actions of the government

[sour halo]

Okay

[thorn ether]

You're thinking of North Korea

[elder scaffold]

they are still at war with North (just in a ceasefire).

[thorn ether]

South Korea is not a country that does this..

[thorn ether]

Thanks (I'm Korean)

[sour halo]

My stance is that's a fair point, however it's clearly different in this specific case

[elder scaffold]

I'm sure they're doing that

[grim sparrow]

Oh ok

[grim sparrow]

Why

[sour halo]

They are clearly NOT a "normal mobile security group" and have government ties and sponsorship

[thorn ether]

Against North Korea sure but that's justified

[elder scaffold]

It's not much different in that it targets specific independent nations.

Of course I'm not criticizing that.

[steady nest]

you're just hating on the company because of the country it's based in

if it were from the US there would be no problems (Palantir)

[naive kraken]

government ties and sponsorship lol

Well idk of specifics but I fail to see how that even matters

of course the government wants their police force to have capabilities just like any other country

and yes israel has mandatory military services so a lot of people have served in the military before…

the way I see it there would be no difference between cellebrite being a us company or an israeli company

our ceo is even from the US and parts of the company are in the US aswell

[quaint rain]

Thing (American) 😐
Thing (Japan) 🥰
Thing (Israel) 😟

[wooden yarrow]

man fuck japanese companies japan is where the terms black company (ブラック企業) and death from overwork (過労死) come from

[sour halo]

Quite the claim there

Implying that I have no problems with palantir AND the US Government

[sonic totem]

@sour halo look, at the end of the day, the governments just care about who can provide these services, so whether or not we are an Israeli company really makes no difference because governments will simply buy from whoever can provide a solution, the extraction of data is always inevitably going to happen no matter who is writing the exploits

[sour halo]

can’t deny that

quite the unfortunate truth

[naive kraken]

and you also can't deny the fact that our tools are putting criminals behind bars

In a perfect world this wouldn't be needed

I agree

But we don't live in a perfect world unfortunately

and a lot of evidence these days is digital

[sour halo]

yeah this is a loaded statement

[sonic totem]

Unfortunately criminals tell lies 😄

[naive kraken]

I think a lot of people nowadays use Cellebrite merely as a punching bag because the company doesn't really punch back. When your main customers are law enforcement there is not much reason to publicly defend yourself. I don't like this but it is the way it is.

I would rather have people focus on implementing better police laws (e.g. require warrants for phone extractions since some countries apparently don't require that) and call out companies/entities that are actually doing bad things

e.g. palantir, nso, the us government

I'm not denying there sometimes is valid reason to criticise Cellebrite on certain stuff, but imo at least at the moment it is way overblown

[lofty juniper]

crazy the lengths people go to to morally justify what they do

[naive kraken]

not as crazy as what people say about cellebrite....

https://x.com/joinedserver/status/2013553249802916290 stuff like this, yep sure apparently we are the israeli mafia and will assasinate some random person working on an ios emulator because ehhhhh we own corellium now or something...

Potato Soup 🇵🇸 (@joinedserver)

@HeWhomCodes great, now we have to protect you from assassination attempts by cellebrite

X · Jan 20, 2026, 10:04 AM

like criticism is fine, but please provide concrete examples and make sure it is somewhat based in reality

that's really all I have left to say regarding this topic

the world is not as black and white as people think

[quaint rain]

“The company based in Israel is gonna fucking kill you because they own a monopoly in iOS emulation”

[hexed knot]

No but it'll kill some kids

Sorry

It'll help governments kill kids and protesters

[gentle grove]

I don't quite understand how people can morally justify working for Cellebrite

I guess if you care more about money

[hexed knot]

engineering students throwing away all morality after getting the lockheed martin job offer

[sonic totem]

But the dozens of commercial iOS spyware vendors, they’re not the issue here? It’s Cellebrite?

[sonic totem]

My research puts terrorists, murderers and pedophiles behind bars

[faint timber]

the fact that he doesn't know that...

[gentle grove]

who is that referring to

[misty cradle]

still helping israeli gov 😂 ☮️

[velvet path]

I mean look, as someone who ethically is against Cellebrite personally, I don't fault anyone for working there.

Practically speaking there's basically fucking nowhere for people to seriously work and seriously gain more knowledge in that field - you either have:

• Apple (it's Apple)
• Cellebrite
• Offensive security work (which quite frankly is even more unethical than Cellebrite ever would be)

[light owl]

@native dune Is it working

@native dune Are you working

[native dune]

What

[naive kraken]

the issue I have with this statement is that you make the assumption to know more about the company than someone working there and I really don't understand why

[pearl sail]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/22/jordan-israeli-spyware-gaza-activists

NGL not a good look in terms of morality, but hey it is not like they are the only corp that does this

[naive kraken]

I agree this specific story does not look good

Fair point

[pearl sail]

I mean to be fair when you are in the business of cybersecurity firms. Your clients are not gonna be the most morally responsible clients.

And neither are the firms

[naive kraken]

large parts are but it just doesn't get reported on

Of course a tool like this can be misused, but imo compared what other companies are selling, the impact of physical extraction capabilities is rather mild

[slim bramble]

I don't quite like that argument I'm ngl. Even if NSO (or any other entity), sell something less ethical, that shouldn't justify something which can be seen as morally questionable

[velvet path]

I don't think that's what opa is necessarily saying

[slim bramble]

(If that's the case my bad)

[pearl sail]

Good deeds don’t sell headlines as they say. I don’t know if impact of extraction is a good way of looking at it since it seems akin to opening a can of worms imo. If you exploiting and selling these kinds of things the risk of them being used in very different way is much higher unless you are putting safeguards around the methods of exploitation before selling it which is not the case in most applications.

[naive kraken]

I'm saying 99%+ of what cellebrite tools are used for is good. Law enforcement using it to proof someone is guilty / innocent. You can disagree with the methods (or find it invasive that they will extract the phone), but you can't disagree with the outcome. Previously they would raid someones home to find evidence, is this invasive? yes, does it have to be done? if you want criminals in jail, yes. Nowadays a lot of evidence is digital and the same thing applies.

Then there is obviously some rare instances of where it gets misused, but this can only be prevented to a degree. And I can assure the company is concerned about it. You can refer to the statement concerning Serbia for that matter.

Note that all of what I'm saying here largely is my opinion and not me speaking on behalf of the company.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/02/cellebrite-halts-product-use-in-serbia-following-amnesty-surveillance-report/

[pearl sail]

I guess it depends on the ultimate outcome. It is always a slippery slope imo when the argument boils down to the ends justify the means. Like in case of the U.S we created the DHS as a response to terrorism to ensure security for the American People. 20 years later that same agency is being used to strip a lot of Americans of their civil liberties and also getting some of them killed in the street.

[wooden yarrow]

honestly the best argument for working for cellebrite might just be for the money and the cool shit you get to create

because as for how it's used nobody has a concrete idea except for possibly the higher ups

[faint timber]

The problem is you were going to create the cool shit on your own as a hobby project. Now working for them it’s theirs

It’s for a good cause though

[pearl sail]

Yeah medicine is the same way

[wooden yarrow]

hobby projects aren't that sustainable so being in companies like these are a sure way to ensure you can continue what you love

[elder scaffold]

At least it's far better than black companies in Japan.

[pearl sail]

I mean if capitalism didn’t exist and we can do communes along with a bartering system. I am sure our hobbies wouldn’t be hobbies

[wooden yarrow]

and of course its nice to know that for the work you do, for the most part it is for good causes

[wooden yarrow]

#development message

[faint timber]

Half true, there’s still being employed. There’s 1000s of other jobs out there.

[elder scaffold]

yeah...

[slim bramble]

That’s what I don’t like about it

But I guess yea that’s the way to keep doing cool stuff

[faint timber]

The problem with working in the field you love is that after 30 years you may hate it

[wooden yarrow]

bartering will imply you always have your product to barter with which is rarely true

ive seen somewhere that money allows people to trade value through time and space and honestly thats pretty cool to me

[pearl sail]

Hell with burnout being more prevalent I think most people are hitting that in less time

[wooden yarrow]

if you manage to save up enough money in the field during that time you can probably just drop everything and pursue an entirely new career

[pearl sail]

Hmm I guess, but we assign value which can transcend time as well hence why I say having communes with a bartering system would be more kind for us. Since there would be means for something to trade when you deal with others communes since resources are limited

[sonic totem]

The problem with this field is that in 30 years a) it won’t exist but also b) certainly won’t be a sustainable hobby by then

Like even now unless you’re working on several year old devices/versions it’s not easy at all to be an independent researcher

[pearl sail]

As long as the human elements is involved in any part of production. Then this field will exist for that time.

[wooden yarrow]

it'll always exist as a fringe but for sure it's not going to be as large as now

[pearl sail]

Security is never secure when we are involved

Maybe when AI agents become efficient and start only producing AI languages which don’t involve human knowledge. Maybe we can be subtracted from the security aspect

[pearl sail]

I think that has always been the case though. Unless you are talking early computing when internet was just in it’s infancy in terms of public domain

I think 30 years is optimistic in terms of when that is coming

[slim bramble]

I’m pretty sure AI will replace VR by then

At least if it continues that way

[gentle grove]

Where did I ever say that?

I don't really get it

[sonic totem]

What I mean to say is it will simply get too difficult at some point for anyone to independently pull off an iOS full chain

[slim bramble]

Didn't that already happen?

[sour halo]

I think this is just projection lol...

The message you replied to I mean

[sonic totem]

Once since iOS 14

Well, same person twice

No one has done it on iOS 16

[slim bramble]

I was mainly referring to the fact that it's too difficult for people to get a pull chain independently

[sonic totem]

Oh I see

Yes I mean the fact that only Linus did it publicly says enough

Think 30 years from now it’ll be levels above (or will it plateau?)

[hexed knot]

Have you never looked at your company on Wikipedia?

There is literally a whole section for countries that used celebrities software for horrible things

[sonic totem]

And that’s out of our control

We don’t work for Cellebrite with the intent to make software that gets misused

If I crack some paid software in IDA does that make the IDA devs liable for piracy?

Anything and everything can and will be misused, that’s just the way things are

And I will also ditto what opa said, I speak on behalf of myself and not Cellebrite

[gentle grove]

personally supporting it is within your control, however

If it wasn't clear, this is the original point I was trying to make with my first message yesterday

[sonic totem]

Personally supporting what? Misuse?

Of course I don’t support that lol

[gentle grove]

Don't you work for cellebrite

I should send my message for context. I wasnt in here the whole time

[velvet path]

better/more relevant example: if people do OF scams with Crane, does developing Crane mean you personally support it

[sonic totem]

I do

[velvet path]

(obviously no lol)

[gentle grove]

This one

[sonic totem]

Yes, again I don’t see your point, do you think I support misuse of the product?

[gentle grove]

I don't really know how else to explain it. By working for them you are enabling them (by providing the manpower) to do the things they do

If that's not supporting them then I don't know what to say

You can morally disagree with it, obviously, but that doesn't mean you aren't helping them

That's the point I am getting at

[sonic totem]

Right but you must realise that misuse makes up a minute fraction of total usage

Would you say the same if I released a public kernel exploit, because some people could use it to hack people’s devices?

[gentle grove]

In my opinion it's not worth it. But obviously that's subjective.

[velvet path]

The reality is to a degree what Cellebrite is doing does allow for unethical things

it’s obviously not their intention, but it’s going to happen - same is true with a lot of other things

[sonic totem]

Public jailbreaks are arguably no better then

[gentle grove]

I think many, myself included, would argue that their main product of breaking into people's personal devices is also unethical--that's another part of it for me

[sonic totem]

That I can understand, sure

[gentle grove]

usually it's for older versions though, I think it's not nearly as dangerous

[velvet path]

I don’t disagree, but that’s more of a personal ethics matter than an overall morality issue

[sonic totem]

unc0ver 5

[velvet path]

12.4:

[gentle grove]

Idk what the difference between personal ethics and morality would be, aren't they both your surjective values

[velvet path]

I would argue overall morality is a little more broad and less specific (though still definitely can be)

[sonic totem]

Okay I think we could discuss this forever but for the sake of our time and the purpose of #development we should probably just drop it lol

[velvet path]

true

anyways uh

how’s your jailbreak Alfie

[sonic totem]

🚨🚨 Breaking news: ZERO patched CoreTrust bypasses found 🚨🚨

[sonic totem]

Which

[gentle grove]

I'll return to my CS (computer science) hate instead of CS (cybersecurity) for a bit.

[sonic totem]

Please consider hating on Swift 🙏

[sour halo]

It's not just about misuse....

[sonic totem]

Conversation is over

[gentle grove]

I already do that one, but it became mainstream to hate swift so now I don't like hating on it anymore

[sonic totem]

No longer a niche hatred ❤️‍🩹

[gentle grove]

Precisely

[velvet path]

the 14.x one I guess

[sonic totem]

Idk man haven’t touched it in… many months

Last I checked it was basically done

[kind herald]

\👀

[sonic totem]

I restored a device to 14.x fresh and jailbroke successfully

[slim bramble]

I agree

There’s not enough swift hate

[kind herald]

Have you tested A14

[velvet path]

how’s untether

[sonic totem]

No because it doesn’t support arm64e

[kind herald]

This jailbreak sux

[sonic totem]

100% reliable

[velvet path]

eta before 2099?

[sonic totem]

Hmm maybe I can work on A9 Trigon now

[kind herald]

2098

[sonic totem]

Nah

When Amethyst releases

[kind herald]

never

got it

[velvet path]

I thought it worked on A9 with stuff in your blogpost

[sonic totem]

When Maxine gets back TrollStore on 17.0

[kind herald]

-# never...

[sonic totem]

It does but I hate it

Too slow sometimes

[kind herald]

it's ok my new phone doesn't even support 17.0

[sonic totem]

On some devices the exploit takes over a minute

A9 oh A9 where are you in my cupboard

[velvet path]

picks up an A8 iPad on accident:

[sonic totem]

Oh this just became a reminder I don’t have a paid developer account anymore

Sigh

[slim bramble]

Still not released etc

[sonic totem]

Where’s yours

[slim bramble]

Midterms over tomorrow

[velvet path]

you’re assuming the jailbreak will still release to the public in the next 20 years

[kind herald]

Have you not been given a proper reason for why it was terminated

[sonic totem]

Yeah yeah

[slim bramble]

You know the deadline

I told you

[velvet path]

I’d assume not because it’s Apple

[sonic totem]

Sure

[slim bramble]

Save the date bro

[sonic totem]

I filed two support requests and got no response lol

[slim bramble]

Trust

[kind herald]

interesting

Kinda fucked ngl

[velvet path]

have you tried [redacted] [redacted]

[sonic totem]

Gotta help me out here man

Oh

No

I could…

[slim bramble]

Whats the unredacted version of that

[sonic totem]

How do I do 64-bit reads and writes in armv7 assembly

[native dune]

i love swift

[sonic totem]

@velvet path wow

[velvet path]

nice screen

[tepid nacelle]

Can't you just buy another

or is it 1 per person

[kind herald]

can you install nexus

and rune

and scrobbit

and sleepsaver 2

[sonic totem]

Best I could do 🙏

[sonic totem]

I’m not allowed

I got suspended

[sonic totem]

No I don’t want malware

[kind herald]

I didnt ask you to install 16player

[tepid nacelle]

no more wwdc

noob

[sonic totem]

This is why we need TrollStore 3

[rocky oriole]

who says they would know

[chilly pollen]

Open in TrollStore

[hasty ruin]

❓

[sour halo]

How do people make tweaks that support ios 14-16 for example

wouldnt you need to write it for two different tweak injectors?

[radiant idol]

no, all tweak injectors are compatible with the substrate API

so people just use the substrate API

i.e. MSHookMessageEx, MSHookFunction, etc

the default %hook and %hookf in Theos just translate to that

[sour halo]

ok fire, I'm assuming there's other natural differences which limit version support however?

such as OS changes

[radiant idol]

sure, changes in OS

[sour halo]

do they just use compiler flags to work around those?

[radiant idol]

you just have to have different implementations per version

Objective-C has @available(iOS x.x, *), Swift has #available(iOS x.x, *), so you just use those checks to check for the iOS version and have different implementations

so like

[sour halo]

Convenient!

[radiant idol]

if (@available(iOS 13.0, *)) {
    // iOS 13 impl
} else {
    // iOS 12- impl
}

[sour halo]

Thanks!

[radiant idol]

There's also some issues regarding arm64e ABI