#development | r/Jailbreak | Page 243

faint timber Oct 3, 2025, 4:14 AM

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its a scheme

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 4:16 AM

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are they swift flags or c flags im confused i can't pass them into xcode's scheme directly i'd have to put it in build settings

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ima assume its c

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c and swift

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alr

faint timber Oct 3, 2025, 4:17 AM

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does the scheme options all say release or debug

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 4:17 AM

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btw building with a dysm won't be useful

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i build via archive anyways

faint timber Oct 3, 2025, 4:17 AM

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change build config in archive

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 4:17 AM

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dysm's iirc are based off the libraries that are linked at build time

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i copy in my custom Swift 5.1.5 dylibs after build time

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think i might have figured it out but im unsure

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about to test

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i need to be able to get the error to occur on command

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rip

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it might be weak self idk

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im removing all weak selfs

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well not all but the ones that are called by refcount

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maybe bcus it's a weak self it tries and does atomic store im not quite sure but theres no harm testing

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LMAO

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LMAO

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THAT WAS WHY LOL

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COOKED

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welp i guess just dont use weak self

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i mean you can actually it works fine i guess it just breaks sometimes

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oddly

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maybe its when it has to deal w special cases idk

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 6:20 AM

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welp im giving up on swiftui for ios 6-8

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at least, this repo isn't gonna happen on it

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frank fossil Oct 3, 2025, 9:01 AM

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guess what, I restored Launchpad by using macOS 15's Dock.app instead, it also reverts liquid glass from the dock

Anh_man_hinh_2025-10-03_luc_15.56.33.png

wooden yarrow Oct 3, 2025, 9:02 AM

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frank fossil guess what, I restored Launchpad by using macOS 15's Dock.app instead, it also r...

doesn't that require amfi off though

frank fossil Oct 3, 2025, 9:02 AM

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I have amfi_allow_any_signature=1

wooden yarrow Oct 3, 2025, 9:02 AM

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yeah would have imagined so

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would be cool if there was a way to revert without also disabling amfi/sip

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 9:13 AM

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I have all protections off always

robust radish Oct 3, 2025, 9:13 AM

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I had sip enabled / no amfi exceptions

#development message

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 9:13 AM

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I hate all macOS protections

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They just get in my way

robust radish Oct 3, 2025, 9:13 AM

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someone automated the process since then, it’s on GitHub somewhere

knotty igloo Oct 3, 2025, 9:45 AM

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Stopping at 15.6 is a wise choice. OkayChamp

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:02 AM

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knotty igloo Stopping at 15.6 is a wise choice.<:OkayChamp:714126799533113354>

didn't 15.7 come out

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nvm

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it was 15.6.1

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no it did come out

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just ota only

knotty igloo Oct 3, 2025, 10:25 AM

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grim sparrow just ota only

There were compilation issues with Xcode 14.3 on macOS 15.7, so I downgraded back to 15.6.

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:29 AM

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why are you using 14.3

faint timber Oct 3, 2025, 10:41 AM

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Xcode 14 is really good

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:52 AM

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Xcode 14 worst Xcode update

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Dropped 32 bit support

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:53 AM

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faint timber Xcode 14 is really good

sure, but whats wrong with xcode 26

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or xcode 16

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:53 AM

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Xcode 26 is ass

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They ruined layouts

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:54 AM

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I barely have the stability issues that people complain about

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:54 AM

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Xcode 16 is decent but it's extremely heavy

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:54 AM

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magic hazel They ruined layouts

in which way

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:54 AM

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If you use modern Apple Silicon there's enough overhead to never notice

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Basically how all Apple software is in 2025

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:54 AM

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magic hazel If you use modern Apple Silicon there's enough overhead to never notice

yeah I do worry about this, I run on a m4 pro

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so im def not the best example for a lower end machine

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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grim sparrow in which way

Xcode no longer likes to remember how I like my tabs laid out, and hotkey changes

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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grim sparrow yeah I do worry about this, I run on a m4 pro

Yeah exactly

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Xcode never used to be targeted for the best machines

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It used to run well even on low end machines

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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idk

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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Even the freaking sims did

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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did you ever try to use life previews

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on an intel machine?

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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The iOS 26 simulator is heavy as fuck

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:55 AM

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I just couldn't

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live previews were so slow and poor for me on my intel machines

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accidentally opening a preview was a death sentence

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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grim sparrow did you ever try to use life previews

I wrote my SwiftUI game on a hackintosh using 2017 hardware

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Laptop

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lol

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And yeah

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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I had a 2015 mba

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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That's why you use the iOS 15 simulator

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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trol

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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Last optimised version of iOS

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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i unfortunately cannot use the sim

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i have to get real data from the gyro and cameras

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:56 AM

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The iOS 26 simulator is a joke

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It's actually so poorly optimised that it's not even funny

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 10:58 AM

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i have noticed this during unit tests

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unit tests run so poorly in xcode now

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but doing it in the cli is fine

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its only an issue when using the xcode gui

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 10:58 AM

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Yep

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Even on Apple Silicon

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That's actually so funny

magic hazel Oct 3, 2025, 12:06 PM

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tepid olive Oct 3, 2025, 4:14 PM

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Why do I have access here lmao

trail nimbus Oct 3, 2025, 4:28 PM

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why shouldnt u

quaint rain Oct 3, 2025, 5:44 PM

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tepid olive Why do I have access here lmao

Everyone does besides 1 person

harsh junco Oct 3, 2025, 5:44 PM

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quaint rain Everyone does besides 1 person

2 actually

quaint rain Oct 3, 2025, 5:45 PM

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harsh junco 2 actually

Oh

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Close enough

jagged willow Oct 3, 2025, 5:53 PM

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harsh junco 2 actually

who?

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~~one of them deleted their account iirc~~

faint timber Oct 3, 2025, 6:11 PM

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grim sparrow sure, but whats wrong with xcode 26

No idea I want to update from Ventura soon to get it

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 6:12 PM

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jagged willow who?

the dude who was just complaining about random bs

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wait no

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he was just widly off topic

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always

trail nimbus Oct 3, 2025, 6:12 PM

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good old days

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 6:13 PM

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dude larping as pwn

trail nimbus Oct 3, 2025, 6:13 PM

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oh right i remember

jagged willow Oct 3, 2025, 6:16 PM

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yeah the guy who ~~harassed me in general~~ supershocked

pearl sail Oct 3, 2025, 7:05 PM

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grim sparrow dude larping as pwn

he was just widly off topic

Tbf that accurate of the real pwn too

grim sparrow Oct 3, 2025, 7:08 PM

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lol

hexed knot Oct 3, 2025, 9:06 PM

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I think Capt also lost channel perms at one point

pearl sail Oct 4, 2025, 1:58 AM

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hexed knot I think Capt also lost channel perms at one point

Capt being not banned is a real Christmas miracle

hexed knot Oct 4, 2025, 1:59 AM

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He's been gone

pearl sail Oct 4, 2025, 1:59 AM

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Cause he finally got a life tbf

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 2:27 AM

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Alright so

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Overview of Swift rn is erm

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I don't know what calls atomic_store

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I cannot reproduce it outside the code I have in the library

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If you remove weak self it works

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But weak self works pretty much everywhere else i tried it

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DispatchData's unmap method is, broken. As is expected. But then again, in a regular swift app, or really, any app at all, are you ever calling that?

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Probably not

light owl Oct 4, 2025, 2:41 AM

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Alright so
Overview of Swift rn is erm
I don't know what calls atomic_store
I cannot reproduce it outside the code I have in the library
If you remove weak self it works
But weak self works pretty much everywhere else i tried it
DispatchData's unmap method is, broken. As is expected. But then again, in a regular swift app, or really, any app at all, are you ever calling that?
Probably not

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 3:31 AM

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lmao

lime pivot Oct 4, 2025, 3:35 AM

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grim sparrow but doing it in the cli is fine

oh good to know

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 6:37 AM

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Okay so update on Swift: On iOS 12>, try not to use @MainActor, @Sendable, etc, although in general you can, it's just best practice to not do so since concurrency ranges from completely cooked to partially working on those versions

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 9:37 AM

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extension UIButton {
    public convenience init(type: UIButton.ButtonType = .system,
                            title: String,
                            forState state: UIControl.State = .normal,
                            font: UIFont = .systemFont(ofSize: 17),
                            titleColor: UIColor = .black,
                            useAutoResizingMask: Bool = false
    ) {
        self.init(type: type)
        
        self.setTitle(title, for: state)
        
        self.titleLabel?.font = font
        
        self.setTitleColor(titleColor, for: .normal)
        
        self.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = useAutoResizingMask
    }
    
    public convenience init(type: UIButton.ButtonType = .system,
                            titleForState: [String: UIControl.State],
                            font: UIFont = .systemFont(ofSize: 17),
                            titleColorForState: [UIColor: UIControl.State],
                            useAutoResizingMask: Bool = false
    ) {
        self.init(type: type)
        
        for (title, state) in titleForState {
            self.setTitle(title, for: state)
        }
        
        self.titleLabel?.font = font
        
        for (titleColor, state) in titleColorForState {
            self.setTitleColor(titleColor, for: state)
        }
        
        self.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = useAutoResizingMask
    }
}```

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Cooking up some nicer UIKit inits

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I hate how verbose UIKit is

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But I actually like a LOT about UIKit now I'm using it more

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So I'm gonna try and make a library that does the best of both worlds

orchid fulcrum Oct 4, 2025, 10:00 AM

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anybody knows what api i have to use to change current processes audio/volume level ?

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without affecting it systemwide

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:07 AM

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orchid fulcrum anybody knows what api i have to use to change current processes audio/volume le...

i mean you can change an internal audio source's audio level?

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idk about the entire applications audio level

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extension OAStackView {
    public convenience init(arrangedSubviews: [UIView] = [],
                            axis: NSLayoutConstraint.Axis,
                            alignment: OAStackViewAlignment,
                            distribution: OAStackViewDistribution,
                            spacing: CGFloat = 0
    ) {
        self.init(arrangedSubviews: arrangedSubviews)
        self.axis = axis
        self.alignment = alignment
        self.distribution = distribution
    }
    
    public func addArrangedSubviews(_ views: [UIView]) {
        for view in views {
            self.addArrangedSubview(view)
        }
    }
    ```

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:24 PM

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magic hazel ```swift extension OAStackView { public convenience init(arrangedSubviews: [...

what does the OA stand for

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:25 PM

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grim sparrow what does the OA stand for

I could not tell you

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It’s an objective c library someone made for iOS 7

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It’s quite excellent

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:25 PM

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oh lol

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:25 PM

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It’s very large though

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:25 PM

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whats the end goal here

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:25 PM

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Make UIKit more bare able

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It’s APIs are archaic and verbose

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Even on modern UIKit

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:26 PM

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icl i vastly prefer it being more verbose

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:26 PM

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I would like SwiftUI but I’ve grown to like parts of UIKit and I alrady have SwiftUI on iOS 9+

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:26 PM

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it makes it so clear to both you and other developers working on the codebase exactly what is happening on each line of code

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:27 PM

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Yeah but it also makes it so hard to navigate that code

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Because it’s huge chunks of repetitive layouts and property setting

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:28 PM

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magic hazel ```swift extension OAStackView { public convenience init(arrangedSubviews: [...

Something like this just makes sense

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Being able to initialise all those properties at creation

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:29 PM

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fair

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:30 PM

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The fact there’s no function called “pin to edges” actually dumbfounds me

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First thing I added

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:31 PM

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idk im just so used to like

private lazy var stackView: UIStackView = {
  let stackView = UIStackView(frame: .zero)
  // Config stack view
  return stackView
}()

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as a really easy way to keep everything enclosed and together

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and then you can just fold all of your initializers

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:31 PM

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magic hazel The fact there’s no function called “pin to edges” actually dumbfounds me

i did have to make a macro for this a long time ago

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that is a crazy one

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:32 PM

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grim sparrow that is a crazy one

It’s literally the first thing you do in a ui view

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The fact it’s not automated is cooked

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Every library in existence that deals with auto layout has some kind of functio

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Ngl auto layout is super old and clunky

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It’s too repetitive

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:34 PM

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grim sparrow idk im just so used to like ```swift private lazy var stackView: UIStackView = ...

Yeah that’s true but how much nicer would it be to have a one liner

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So easy to read

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And understand

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I’m doing it for all those

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Types

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Buttons

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Labels

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Etc

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One line inits

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For all those times you really don’t want to have to use like 6 lines of code and 10 lines of layout for a basic ahh button

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:48 PM

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magic hazel For all those times you really don’t want to have to use like 6 lines of code an...

you know

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there might be a way

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for you to automate this entire thiing

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as in, write one extension

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and have this done for literally every class

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:49 PM

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wtf

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Send surely

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Surely

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:50 PM

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if you write an extension for UIView that has an initialiser that takes vargs of keypaths and keypath values

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and then in the init you could just loop over each arg and assign the value to the keypath

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:51 PM

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What would that look like

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I don’t know anything about keypaths Bcus I mainly use swift 5.1> features

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:52 PM

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keypaths are swift 1.0 i believe

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so you're in luck

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:52 PM

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I mean I have swift 5.10 so I’m all good

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5.10.1 to be exact

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:52 PM

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fuck i know why thiss comes to mind now

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fucking fluent uses it

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the swift serverside db library

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:53 PM

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Surely gib code

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:54 PM

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but the result would be like

let view = UIStackView(\.axis = .vertical, \.spacing = 10.0)

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:54 PM

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Errr

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I dislike it’s aesthetic

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But if I can do it in a single extension I might let it pass perchance

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 1:55 PM

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grim sparrow but the result would be like ```swift let view = UIStackView(\.axis = .vertical,...

It’s not super swifty

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 1:59 PM

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I feel like there is gonna be some really funny way of doing this

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i'll play around with it later

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 2:05 PM

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Much appreciated

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:03 PM

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grim sparrow idk im just so used to like ```swift private lazy var stackView: UIStackView = ...

idk how to react to this lmao

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:03 PM

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radiant idol idk how to react to this lmao

wdym

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:03 PM

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it's... interesting

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idk, I haven't seen Swift UIKit code like thios

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:04 PM

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fair

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man i hate games that use caps lock as something

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the lazy var is only needed because you're probably going to be referencing self

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i.e. view.addArrangedSubview(self.title)

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its how i write all my uikit code

jagged willow Oct 4, 2025, 4:07 PM

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grim sparrow man i hate games that use caps lock as something

i just don’t use caps lock

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useless in game and mostly outside of the game world for me 😭

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:07 PM

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orchid fulcrum Oct 4, 2025, 4:08 PM

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i like

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:09 PM

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grim sparrow the lazy var is only needed because you're probably going to be referencing self

right

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ykw, fair enough, I can't even say it's bad

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:10 PM

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its great for segmenting the setup of each of ur views

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truly

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:11 PM

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I guess I'm just not really used to it

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:11 PM

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mhm

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:11 PM

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I've written UIKit in objc more than Swift

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:11 PM

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i cant remember where I picked this up

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:11 PM

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when I write Swift I do SwiftUI so it looks odd to me lol

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 4:12 PM

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I'm really inclined to say I fiirst saw it in the og sileo code base

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:12 PM

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grim sparrow i cant remember where I picked this up

yeah I feel like I've seen this type of code somewhere, it has to be a pattern somewhere that someone adopted

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idk

fading shell Oct 4, 2025, 4:20 PM

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radiant idol ykw, fair enough, I can't even say it's bad

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 4:20 PM

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I agree with what I wrote there

orchid fulcrum Oct 4, 2025, 4:45 PM

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fading shell

traitor

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only downside of objc is lack of swiftui ngl

fading shell Oct 4, 2025, 4:49 PM

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orchid fulcrum only downside of objc is lack of swiftui ngl

???

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that's the only upside

vivid dew Oct 4, 2025, 9:25 PM

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just bought an iphone 16 with the new camera control

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if only there was an app i could use to test its functionality

light owl Oct 4, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Hey i know of an app

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Its only on testflight though

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But the build might have expired

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Also i dont think the testflight is public

acoustic imp Oct 4, 2025, 9:47 PM

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wasnt it by that jelbrek guy or wtv, he got banned from #development right

rocky oriole Oct 4, 2025, 10:04 PM

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acoustic imp wasnt it by that jelbrek guy or wtv, he got banned from <#688124600269144162> ri...

yeah

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:29 PM

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@grim sparrow

let startButton = UIButton(type: .custom,
                               titleForState: ["Touch to continue": .normal],
                               font: .systemFont(ofSize: 17),
                               titleColorForState: [.init(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 1): .normal, .init(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 0.5): .highlighted],
                               useAutoResizingMask: false)```

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I'm pretty proud of my titleForState method

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It's really concise and it makes perfect sense

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:30 PM

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it's cool except that formatting is awful lol

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:31 PM

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^ yeah I’m not a fan

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:31 PM

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radiant idol it's cool except that formatting is awful lol

Wdym

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:31 PM

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It took me way too long to figure out what was going on

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:31 PM

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the indentation

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:31 PM

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Prolly bcus it's not a real code block

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lmao

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I'll send a ss instead

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radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:32 PM

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let startButton = UIButton(
    type: .custom,
    titleForState: [
        "Touch to continue": .normal
    ],
    font: .systemFont(ofSize: 17),
    titleColorForState: [
        .init(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 1): .normal, 
        .init(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 0.5): .highlighted
    ],
    useAutoResizingMask: false
)

I would've done something like this

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:32 PM

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radiant idol ```swift let startButton = UIButton( type: .custom, titleForState: [ ...

Isn't that the same thing

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lmao

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Can I say something terrible

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:32 PM

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Just indented right

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I copy pasted from Xcode so

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:32 PM

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grim sparrow Can I say something terrible

Sure..?

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lmao

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:32 PM

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right I meant the indentation

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:33 PM

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you’re filling the same line count as doing this the standard way

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:33 PM

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grim sparrow you’re filling the same line count as doing this the standard way

You're not

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:33 PM

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magic hazel

This is

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:34 PM

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Oh yeah right but it's way cleaner bcus the methods follow swift's guidelines

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"Omit needless words"

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let startButton = UIButton(type: .custom)
startButton.setTitle("Touch to continue", for: .normal)
startButton.titleLabel?.font = UIFont.systemFont(ofSize: 17)
startButton.setTitleColor(UIColor(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 1), for: .normal)
startButton.setTitleColor(UIColor(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 0.5), for: .highlighted)
startButton.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = false

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vs

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:34 PM

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radiant idol ```swift let startButton = UIButton( type: .custom, titleForState: [ ...

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Infinitely cleaner

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The first one looks like an unreadable block of code, the 2nd is nicely spaced, each type is clearly defined

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You don't say "startbutton" so much

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That's my biggest annoyance

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From Swift 3, the rule has ALWAYS been "omit needless words"

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startbutton is needless!!!

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:36 PM

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I feel like it's more of a problem with you being more of a SwiftUI dev, which is fine, but to me that code looks just fine lol

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:36 PM

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^

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:36 PM

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It looks nearly identical to it's Objective C counterpart

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:36 PM

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You said it yourself, UIKit is more verbose

hexed knot Oct 4, 2025, 10:36 PM

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Nothing wrong with being verbose

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:37 PM

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You’re trying to convert UIKit to not being verbose, and eventually you’re gonna land on recreating SwiftUI

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a wrapper around UIKit that programs in a very different way

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:37 PM

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is it harder to read for a non-accustomed dev compared to SwiftUI? probably
is it bad that it's verbose? not necessarily, just different

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:37 PM

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grim sparrow You’re trying to convert UIKit to not being verbose, and eventually you’re gonna...

It's not the same though, it's not gonna be declarative UI, it's just shorter inits

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UIKit can and should have both

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It doesn't HAVE to be both short and declarative

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:38 PM

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you would sit there for years to make all the initializers

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:38 PM

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radiant idol you would sit there for years to make all the initializers

That's what I'm currently concerned about

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:38 PM

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There’s a lot more properties and methods you need to call during init though

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You’re init methods are gonna end up 300 parameters long

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:39 PM

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I think from what @magic hazel is saying he would not be opposed to something like this

let startButton = UIButton(type: .custom)
    .setTitle("Touch to continue", for: .normal)
    .titleLabel?.font = UIFont.systemFont(ofSize: 17)
    .setTitleColor(UIColor(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 1), for: .normal)
    .setTitleColor(UIColor(red: 0, green: 0.47, blue: 1, alpha: 0.5), for: .highlighted)
    .translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = false

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:39 PM

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grim sparrow You’re init methods are gonna end up 300 parameters long

Obviously some stuff doesn't have to be included

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Yeah

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I mean that's basically SwiftUI but yeah

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It's nicer

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Still a bit long

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But nicer

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Although that one there wouldn't work

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I don't think

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Idk how to do that rn

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:39 PM

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it wouldn't, I'm just mentioning what you mean

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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Yeah that would be nicer

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Kinda

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In some ways

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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I wonder if something like that could be achieved with a macro

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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Possibly

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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idk

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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radiant idol I wonder if something like that could be achieved with a macro

100%

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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idk how involved Swift macros are but that is probably doable

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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Swift Macros are incredibly powerful

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:40 PM

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Idk I just feel like I end up typing exactly the same code out hundreds of times

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To do the most basic shit

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:41 PM

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I think it's a manner of just trying to not fight against the language but rather embrasing it

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as annoying as that may be

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:42 PM

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It's not the language I'm fighting against, it's the API's. Not only that, but as it is I'm STILL stuck with iOS 6 API's which I'm working on shimming

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I already made a pretty good .activate constraint shim, and a UILayoutGuide shim

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:42 PM

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right, fighting against the APIs, should've phrased it better

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:42 PM

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iOS 6 API's

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Are

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Incredibly verbose

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Like needlessly so

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:43 PM

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idk, I think if you shim the most important stuff you should be fine - you already have constraints and UIStackView, other stuff you should be fine-ish

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:43 PM

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One thing that deeply frustrates me is there is no dynamic text

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I feel boxed into a corner of having to create like 5 different layouts

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One thing I vastly prefer over SwiftUI is being able to run regular Swift code inline with my UI

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I hate that you can't do that on SwiftUI

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override func viewDidLoad() {
        super.viewDidLoad()
        view.backgroundColor = .white
        
        startButton.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = false
        helloText.backgroundColor = .clear
        helloText.text = helloTextArray[0]
        helloText.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = false
        helloText.font = UIFont.systemFont(ofSize: 50, weight: .ultraLight)
        helloText.textAlignment = .center
        
        view.alpha = 0
        UIView.animate(withDuration: 3, animations: {
            self.view.alpha = 1
        }, completion: nil)
        
        let _ = Timer.scheduledTimer(withTimeInterval: 3, repeats: true) { [self] _ in
            if helloTextIndex < 38 {
                helloTextIndex += 1
            } else {
                helloTextIndex = 0
            }
            
            DispatchQueue.main.asyncAfter(deadline: .now()) {
                UIView.animate(withDuration: 0.5) {
                    helloText.alpha = 0
                }
            }
            
            DispatchQueue.main.asyncAfter(deadline: .now() + 0.5) {
                UIView.animate(withDuration: 0.5) {
                    helloText.alpha = 1
                    helloText.text = helloTextArray[helloTextIndex]
                }
            }
        }
        
        
        
        viewStack.addArrangedSubview(helloText)
        viewStack.addArrangedSubview(startButton)
        view.addSubview(viewStack)
        viewStack.pinToEdges(of: view)
    }

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pintoedges should be a native api

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i will die on that hill

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you do it in literally every main view you create

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:49 PM

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grim sparrow

Is this Swift 6?

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var button: UIButton {
        let button = UIButton(type: .custom)
        return button
    }()```

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This gives an error

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Well no shit

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Whoops

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:52 PM

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magic hazel Is this Swift 6?

no

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:52 PM

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Yeah I realised

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:53 PM

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yeah you forgot the =

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:53 PM

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indeed

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Why is translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = false not default

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Why

grim sparrow Oct 4, 2025, 10:54 PM

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Because it’s used internally

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:54 PM

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Grr

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ngl idk which i prefer

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:55 PM

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I like the second tbh

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it's very self contained

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:55 PM

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It is but it uses a child button and I don't like that

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It's also a computed var

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Rather than a static property

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Which in reality, it is static

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:56 PM

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it can be static

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:56 PM

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When'd they add that

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I didn't realise that was allowed

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 10:57 PM

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no idea, but it does work

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 10:57 PM

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Can't do this though
let viewStack: UIStackView = {
let stack = UIStackView()
stack.axis = .vertical
}()

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Type lookup is ambiguous

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Grrr idek how it's ambiguous 😭

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My target is iOS 7 so it CLEARLY can't be the native UIStackView

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This is a nice init anyways

let viewStack = UIStackView(axis: .vertical, alignment: .center, distribution: .fillProportionally, useAutoResizingMask: false)```

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:00 PM

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magic hazel Can't do this though let viewStack: UIStackView = { let stack = UIStackV...

just return stack

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:01 PM

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Still ambiguous

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lol

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:01 PM

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is it on the ".vertical"?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:02 PM

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No it's on the UIStackView

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lmao

#

//
//  UIStackViewTypeAlias.swift
//  Colour Snap Legacy
//
//  Created by JWI on 3/09/2025.
//  Copyright © 2025 JWI. All rights reserved.
//

import Foundation
import UIKit
import OAStackView

@available(iOS, introduced: 6.0, obsoleted: 9.0)
public typealias UIStackView = OAStackView

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Idk how it's ambiguous

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It could not be more clear

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:02 PM

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magic hazel Can't do this though let viewStack: UIStackView = { let stack = UIStackV...

what if you write OAStackView instead

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what happens

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:03 PM

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It'll work but it defies the point of UIKitCompatKit

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:03 PM

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fascinating

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:03 PM

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The point being you being able to copy paste identical syntax between versions

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With and without the package

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LMAO

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omitting the type makes it allowed

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:05 PM

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wdym?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:05 PM

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let viewStack = {
        let stack = UIStackView()
        return stack
    }()```

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this is allowed

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let viewStack: UIStackView = {
        let stack = UIStackView()
        return stack
    }()```

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This isn't

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:05 PM

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huh, that's odd

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do a print of the type of viewStack

fading shell Oct 4, 2025, 11:06 PM

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magic hazel ```swift let viewStack: UIStackView = { let stack = UIStackView() ...

what's the error of that?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:06 PM

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fading shell what's the error of that?

Ambiguous type lookup

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radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:06 PM

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fascinating

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:06 PM

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it clearly knows what to do

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as it should, i even have the type marked as obselete in the version where the compiler could confuse it

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:07 PM

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and if you do:

let viewStack: OAStackView = {
    let stack = UIStackView()
    return stack
}()
```? Just out of curiosity

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:07 PM

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Works fine

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lol

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:07 PM

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bizarre

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:07 PM

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It's only the type it gets confused on

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It's a bit odd yeah

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:07 PM

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what about this

fading shell Oct 4, 2025, 11:08 PM

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magic hazel Ambiguous type lookup

hmm, probably because anonymous don't have an explicit return type

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and the compiler is somehow unable to figure that out

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Possibly

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Idk

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It's confusing my shim with the real type on iOS 7 somehow

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:08 PM

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extension UIStackView {
    static lazy var viewStack: UIStackView {
        let stack = UIStackView()
        return stack
    }
}

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Yeah you can't do that

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I already know that

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You have to extend OAStackView

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:09 PM

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really? huh, fascinating

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what if you have UIStackView be a subclass of OAStackView with nothing changed?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:09 PM

#

//
//  File.swift
//  
//
//  Created by JWI on 4/10/2025.
//

import Foundation
import UIKit

@available(iOS 9.0, *)
extension UIStackView {
    public convenience init(arrangedSubviews: [UIView] = [],
                            axis: NSLayoutConstraint.Axis,
                            alignment: UIStackView.Alignment,
                            distribution: UIStackView.Distribution,
                            spacing: CGFloat = 0,
                            useAutoResizingMask: Bool = true
    ) {
        self.init(arrangedSubviews: arrangedSubviews)
        self.axis = axis
        self.alignment = alignment
        self.distribution = distribution
        self.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = useAutoResizingMask
    }
    
    public func addArrangedSubviews(_ views: [UIView]) {
        for view in views {
            self.addArrangedSubview(view)
        }
    }
    
}

//
//  File.swift
//  
//
//  Created by JWI on 4/10/2025.
//

import Foundation
import OAStackView

extension OAStackView {
    public convenience init(arrangedSubviews: [UIView] = [],
                            axis: NSLayoutConstraint.Axis,
                            alignment: OAStackViewAlignment,
                            distribution: OAStackViewDistribution,
                            spacing: CGFloat = 0,
                            useAutoResizingMask: Bool = true
    ) {
        self.init(arrangedSubviews: arrangedSubviews)
        self.axis = axis
        self.alignment = alignment
        self.distribution = distribution
        self.translatesAutoresizingMaskIntoConstraints = useAutoResizingMask
    }
    
    public func addArrangedSubviews(_ views: [UIView]) {
        for view in views {
            self.addArrangedSubview(view)
        }
    }
    
}

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:10 PM

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radiant idol what if you have UIStackView be a subclass of OAStackView with nothing changed?

How so

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Just

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:10 PM

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class UIStackView: OAStackView {}

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:10 PM

#

Alr

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:10 PM

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it'll conflict on iOS 9+ but I'm curious

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:11 PM

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radiant idol it'll conflict on iOS 9+ but I'm curious

Not if i mark it as obsolete

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:11 PM

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alright, try it then

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:12 PM

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So far no errors

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:12 PM

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radiant idol ``` class UIStackView: OAStackView {} ```

it might make you implement some initializers, so just do that

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oh ok

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:13 PM

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Functions the same as well

#

Still ambiguous for type lookup tho lol

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:13 PM

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did you get rid of the typealias?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:13 PM

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Yeah

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It basically functions the same

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:13 PM

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huh, weird

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:13 PM

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Yeah it's odd

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It's weird bcus I don't get that error in some other code

#

    var layoutMarginsGuide: UILayoutGuide {
        if let guide = objc_getAssociatedObject(self, &layoutMarginsGuideKey) as? UILayoutGuide { return guide }

        let guide = UILayoutGuide()
        guide.attach(to: self)

        // Pin proxyView to layoutMargins
        NSLayoutConstraint.activate([
            guide.topAnchor.constraint(equalTo: topAnchor, constant: layoutMargins.top),
            guide.leadingAnchor.constraint(equalTo: leadingAnchor, constant: layoutMargins.left),
            guide.trailingAnchor.constraint(equalTo: trailingAnchor, constant: -layoutMargins.right),
            guide.bottomAnchor.constraint(equalTo: bottomAnchor, constant: -layoutMargins.bottom)
        ])

        addLayoutGuide(guide)
        objc_setAssociatedObject(self, &layoutMarginsGuideKey, guide, .OBJC_ASSOCIATION_RETAIN_NONATOMIC)
        return guide
    }

    // MARK: - safeAreaLayoutGuide
    @available(iOS, introduced: 6.0, obsoleted: 11.0)
    var safeAreaLayoutGuide: UILayoutGuide {
        if let guide = objc_getAssociatedObject(self, &safeAreaGuideKey) as? UILayoutGuide { return guide }

        let guide = UILayoutGuide()
        guide.attach(to: self)

        var topInset: CGFloat = 0
        var bottomInset: CGFloat = 0
        if let vc = sequence(first: self.next, next: { $0?.next }).compactMap({ $0 as? UIViewController }).first {
            topInset += vc.topLayoutGuide.length
            bottomInset += vc.bottomLayoutGuide.length
        }

        NSLayoutConstraint.activate([
            guide.topAnchor.constraint(equalTo: topAnchor, constant: topInset),
            guide.leadingAnchor.constraint(equalTo: leadingAnchor),
            guide.trailingAnchor.constraint(equalTo: trailingAnchor),
            guide.bottomAnchor.constraint(equalTo: bottomAnchor, constant: -bottomInset)
        ])

        addLayoutGuide(guide)
        objc_setAssociatedObject(self, &safeAreaGuideKey, guide, .OBJC_ASSOCIATION_RETAIN_NONATOMIC)
        
        return guide
    }
}

@available(iOS, introduced: 6.0, obsoleted: 11.0)
extension UILayoutGuide: CustomDebugStringConvertible {
    public var debugDescription: String {
        let frameDesc = "\(proxyView.frame)"
        let owning = owningView.map { "\($0)" } ?? "nil"
        return "<UILayoutGuideShim: \(Unmanaged.passUnretained(self).toOpaque()) layoutFrame = \(frameDesc), owningView = \(owning)>"
    }
}

// MARK: - UIViewController layout support shim
private var topGuideKey: UInt8 = 0
private var bottomGuideKey: UInt8 = 0

@available(iOS, introduced: 6.0, obsoleted: 9.0)
public class UILayoutSupportShim: NSObject {
    public let length: CGFloat
    public init(length: CGFloat) { self.length = length }
}

@available(iOS, introduced: 6.0, obsoleted: 9.0)
public extension UIViewController {
    var topLayoutGuide: UILayoutSupportShim {
        if let guide = objc_getAssociatedObject(self, &topGuideKey) as? UILayoutSupportShim { return guide }
        let statusBarHeight: CGFloat = UIApplication.shared.isStatusBarHidden ? 0 : 20
        let guide = UILayoutSupportShim(length: statusBarHeight) // default status bar height
        objc_setAssociatedObject(self, &topGuideKey, guide, .OBJC_ASSOCIATION_RETAIN_NONATOMIC)
        return guide
    }

    var bottomLayoutGuide: UILayoutSupportShim {
        if let guide = objc_getAssociatedObject(self, &bottomGuideKey) as? UILayoutSupportShim { return guide }
        let guide = UILayoutSupportShim(length: 0)
        objc_setAssociatedObject(self, &bottomGuideKey, guide, .OBJC_ASSOCIATION_RETAIN_NONATOMIC)
        return guide
    }
}

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I'm allowed to do UILayoutGuide here

#

Idk why

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:15 PM

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wow that code is crazy lol

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Yeah I really got into the weeds of associated objects

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:16 PM

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surprised you didn't make a shim for that :P

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Shims on top of shims is generally best avoided

#

Plus, i never want to touch that code ever again

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:17 PM

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UIKitCompat on top of the Swift shim lol

#

but anyway

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:17 PM

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That's part of UIKitCompatKit

#

lmao

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:17 PM

#

right

#

which itself is a shim, that also depends on the Swift shim for iOS 6

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:17 PM

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What Swift shim

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:18 PM

#

wasn't there stuff you needed to do with some library

#

it doesn't "just work" from what I remember, you need to add/patch something iirc

#

(I might be wrong)

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:18 PM

#

Other than the fact that I fixed Swift 5.10.1 for iOS 6 which is basically just a compiler modification, I use a singular Swift shim

#

Timer.scheduledTimer

#

It's iOS 10+ but I cannot for the life of me live without it

#

It's far too useful

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:19 PM

#

gotcha

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:19 PM

#

On Swift 2.3 I was using a shim to make it look more like Swift 3.0

#

But that's long past

#

My one immense pain point in Swift is now concurrency

#

It just craps the fuck out

#

Also I'm carefully ignoring the fact that atomic_store doesn't exist on iOS 6

#

And very rarely methods will call it

#

I don't know how or why or what causes it

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

[weak self]?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:20 PM

#

See I thought it was that

#

But not even that triggers it

#

It's specific cases

#

Of weak self

#

It's definitely weak self

#

But not all weak self

#

I mean weak self is barely useful to begin with so it's not that bad and you can use it basically perfectly 99% of the time

#

But there's that 1%

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:21 PM

#

definitely something to look at because it is useful

#

for action handlers for example

#

weak self is needed

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:22 PM

#

func startWeakCapture() {
        DispatchQueue.main.asyncAfter(deadline: .now() + 1) { [weak self] in
            // Weak capture (self may be nil)
            guard let self = self else {
                print("self was deallocated before weak closure ran")
                return
            }
            print("Weak capture:", self.value)
        }
    }```

#

This works

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:23 PM

#

right

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:23 PM

#

button.addAction(UIAction { [weak self] _ in
            guard let self = self else {
                print("self was already deallocated")
                return
            }
            self.handleTap()
        }, for: .touchUpInside)```

#

This works

#

Speaking of which I need to make a proper shim for that

#

Even tho I like my shim better

#

alr ima go with the method @grim sparrow was using since it's better than normal and it's native UIKit

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

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magic hazel Speaking of which I need to make a proper shim for that

what's there to shim?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

radiant idol what's there to shim?

.addaction

#

and UIAction

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

seems fine to me?

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

I already have a much nicer shim for it

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

radiant idol seems fine to me?

It's iOS 14+

#

lmao

#

That method i wrote there

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

oh

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

You have to use the shitty ahh selector method for iOS 13>

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:26 PM

#

I see

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:27 PM

#

I mean i have my own version

#

startButton.addAction(for: .touchUpInside) {
            
        }```

#

imo, it's much much cleaner

#

But idk if people would just prefer the original

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:29 PM

#

you'd still need the weak self

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:29 PM

#

You don't need weak self there

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:29 PM

#

oh wait

#

ok nvm idk if you do or not

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:30 PM

#

private class ClosureSleeve {
    let closure: () -> Void
    init(_ closure: @escaping () -> Void) {
        self.closure = closure
    }
    @objc func invoke() { closure() }
}

@available(iOS, introduced: 6.0, obsoleted: 14.0)
extension UIButton {
    func addAction(for controlEvents: UIControl.Event, _ closure: @escaping () -> Void) {
        let sleeve = ClosureSleeve(closure)
        addTarget(sleeve, action: #selector(ClosureSleeve.invoke), for: controlEvents)
        // Use NSUUID for unique key
        objc_setAssociatedObject(self, NSUUID().uuidString, sleeve, .OBJC_ASSOCIATION_RETAIN)
    }
}```

radiant idol Oct 4, 2025, 11:30 PM

#

right

#

ok well as long as it works

magic hazel Oct 4, 2025, 11:31 PM

#

you can still use [weak self] in

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 12:07 AM

#

nvm weak self is useful asf

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 12:07 AM

#

that was a turn of events lol

#

what made you change your mind? 🤔

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 12:08 AM

#

let _ = Timer.scheduledTimer(withTimeInterval: 3, repeats: true) { [weak self] _ in
            guard let self = self else { return }
            
            if helloTextIndex < 38 {
                helloTextIndex += 1
            } else {
                helloTextIndex = 0
            }
            
            DispatchQueue.main.asyncAfter(deadline: .now()) {
                UIView.animate(withDuration: 0.5) {
                    self.helloText.alpha = 0
                }
            }
            
            DispatchQueue.main.asyncAfter(deadline: .now() + 0.5) {
                UIView.animate(withDuration: 0.5) {
                    self.helloText.alpha = 1
                    self.helloText.text = self.helloTextArray[self.helloTextIndex]
                }
            }
            print("a")
        }```

#

Automatic timer dealloc

#

I've been needing this for so long

#

Time to test on iOS 6

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 12:09 AM

#

oh

#

yeah it was pretty much in a memory leak before lol

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 12:38 AM

#

magic hazel ```swift let _ = Timer.scheduledTimer(withTimeInterval: 3, repeats: true) { [wea...

also I just realized can't you mark the return result for this function as @discardableResult so you don't have to do let _ =?

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 12:48 AM

#

radiant idol yeah it was pretty much in a memory leak before lol

Indeed

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 12:56 AM

#

radiant idol also I just realized can't you mark the return result for this function as `@dis...

Idk what that marker is

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 12:57 AM

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magic hazel Idk what that marker is

extension NSTimer {
    
    // Swift 3-style API
    @discardableResult
    @nonobjc class func scheduledTimer(withTimeInterval interval: NSTimeInterval, repeats: Bool, block: (NSTimer) -> Void) -> NSTimer {
        let closureTimer = ClosureTimer(block: block)
        return NSTimer.scheduledTimerWithTimeInterval(interval,
                                                      target: closureTimer,
                                                      selector: #selector(ClosureTimer.fire(_:)),
                                                      userInfo: nil,
                                                      repeats: repeats)
    }
}

#

try it

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you won't need to add let _ =

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:01 AM

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Oh yeah

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Isnt that not tea syntax tho

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Real*

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:01 AM

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hm?

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:01 AM

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Or is that how it actually works

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Also I don't have tpo do let _

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it just gives a warning when i dont

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:02 AM

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right, and with this it won't give you a warning

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:02 AM

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magic hazel Isnt that not tea syntax tho

that is real syntax

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:02 AM

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No like

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Is that how it works in the native API

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:02 AM

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oh I dunno

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:02 AM

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Why is setting a custom navbar colour so annoying

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wtf

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woeis

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:03 AM

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seems like it is not marked as discardableResult

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ok fair enough then

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:03 AM

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Alr then I won't add it

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Even if its better

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:03 AM

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something to know though

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for the future

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it's a very popular marker

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:03 AM

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How do you change the colour of a navbar im crashin gout

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:03 AM

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radiant idol it's a very popular marker

ive seen it yeah

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:04 AM

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magic hazel How do you change the colour of a navbar im crashin gout

a tab bar?

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or a nav bar

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:04 AM

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navbar

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:04 AM

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UINavigationBar.appearance().barTintColor = UIColor.red

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:05 AM

#

startButton.addAction(for: .touchUpInside) {
            let mainAppVC = MainAppViewController()
            let navController = UINavigationController(rootViewController: mainAppVC)
            navController.navigationBar.tintColor = UIColor.blue
            navController.navigationBar.titleTextAttributes = [NSAttributedString.Key.foregroundColor: UIColor.black]

            if let window = UIApplication.shared.delegate?.window! {
                window.rootViewController = navController
                window.makeKeyAndVisible()
            }
        }```

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:05 AM

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hmm

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:06 AM

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It's working on iOS 6 but not on iOS 15 💀

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:06 AM

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lol

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:07 AM

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got it working

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its .backgroundcolor

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:07 AM

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ah cool

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:08 AM

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i'm trying to make iOS 7 ui on iOS 6

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for my open source setup.app

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:08 AM

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wait, if you use the tab bar for example, it has the iOS 6 UI, right? just checking lol

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:08 AM

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radiant idol wait, if you use the tab bar for example, it has the iOS 6 UI, right? just check...

Indeed

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:08 AM

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magic hazel for my open source setup.app

that's such a random app to clone lol

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:08 AM

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On iOS 6 it does

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:08 AM

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radiant idol that's such a random app to clone lol

It is

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But it's kinda cool

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Bcus

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It shows the possibilities that using a modern SDK and Swift give you

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Modern UI on iOS 6

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WITHOUT storyboard

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I hate storyboard

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:09 AM

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good luck

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:09 AM

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Storyboard gives you so much tech debt

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idk how im gonna change lists

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:10 AM

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lists?

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:11 AM

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yeah

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like settings lists

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from being iOS 6 style to iOS 7

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:12 AM

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oh

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UITableView?

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:12 AM

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Yeah

radiant idol Oct 5, 2025, 1:13 AM

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good luck

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:13 AM

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I'm thinking maybe I make a library that just gives all UIElements a .iOS7 variable

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That does all the setup for you

quaint rain Oct 5, 2025, 1:14 AM

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magic hazel ```swift startButton.addAction(for: .touchUpInside) { let mainAppVC ...

Wait that’s iOS 6?!

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:14 AM

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quaint rain Wait that’s iOS 6?!

The screenshot isn't

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I'll send what it looks like on iOS 6 in a sec

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 1:36 AM

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magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 2:19 AM

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extension UINavigationController {
    public func moderniOS() {
        self.navigationBar.backgroundColor = .white
        self.navigationBar.setBackgroundImage(UIImage(), for: .default)
        self.navigationBar.shadowImage = UIImage()
        self.navigationBar.tintColor = .white
    }
}```

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 2:38 AM

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time to make a completely custom status bar

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 9:37 AM

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magic hazel

is that a trash can mac??

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 9:37 AM

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grim sparrow is that a trash can mac??

It's my main Mac yes

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 9:37 AM

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legendary

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 9:38 AM

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Indeed

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8 core 32gb 512gb ssd

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It's a pretty decent machine

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 9:51 AM

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i had a 2011 imac that was 4gb 128hdd -> mba 2015 i5 4gb 256gb -> m2 air -> m1 macbook pro (work) -> m3 pro (work) -> m4 pro

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 11:05 AM

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grim sparrow i had a 2011 imac that was 4gb 128hdd -> mba 2015 i5 4gb 256gb -> m2 air -> m1 m...

nice

wooden yarrow Oct 5, 2025, 11:15 AM

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grim sparrow i had a 2011 imac that was 4gb 128hdd -> mba 2015 i5 4gb 256gb -> m2 air -> m1 m...

m2 air to m1 mbp ❓

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 11:16 AM

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wooden yarrow m2 air to m1 mbp ❓

M2 Air was mine

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M1 MBP was work provided machine

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But the build times were insanely poor and I was frequently getting OOM errors

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So I got the M3 Pro MBP

wooden yarrow Oct 5, 2025, 11:17 AM

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oh

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 11:18 AM

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After working for a while and feeling pretty stable I got myself my m4 pro

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and I love it

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I also bought a t480 but that’s irrelevant

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 11:42 AM

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grim sparrow After working for a while and feeling pretty stable I got myself my m4 pro

I’m hoping to get an M4 Max

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 11:43 AM

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The reason I didn’t get the max is it throttles quite poorly in the 14” shell and I much prefer the size of the 14”

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 11:53 AM

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grim sparrow The reason I didn’t get the max is it throttles quite poorly in the 14” shell an...

Yeah I’m going for the big boy

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Once I converted to the 15 inch 2015 MacBook pro could never go back to a piddily laptop again

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It’s like a portable workstation

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Idk how long it’s gonna take to arrive

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It’s already been 3 months

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I hate corporate

kind herald Oct 5, 2025, 1:27 PM

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grim sparrow I also bought a t480 but that’s irrelevant

I LOVE THINKPAD T480

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mine is dead :(

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 1:27 PM

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awwwwww

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mine is 1440p with the nvidia gpu and i upgraded it to 32gb :3

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its just a shame the memory is slow :(

kind herald Oct 5, 2025, 1:30 PM

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mine was the i7-8650U without dGPU and a 1080p display

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i loved it i had a big battery and 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD

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then i installed arch and enrolled secure boot keys

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And then it stopped booting

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ANd then i went a whole rabbit hole trying to fix it and ended up fucking up the motherboard more

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i just need a new board

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guh

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 1:32 PM

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rip

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i honestly just dont know what to do with it anymore

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its my arch shit about machine

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but theres so little htat doesn't run on my macbook atp

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and I just use docker on my mac when I have to use something

light owl Oct 5, 2025, 1:40 PM

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kind herald mine was the i7-8650U without dGPU and a 1080p display

mine was the i7-8650U without dGPU and a 1080p display
i loved it i had a big battery and 32GB RAM and a 1TB SSD
then i installed arch and enrolled secure boot keys
And then it stopped booting
ANd then i went a whole rabbit hole trying to fix it and ended up fucking up the motherboard more
i just need a new board
guh

kind herald Oct 5, 2025, 1:40 PM

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So true twin

light owl Oct 5, 2025, 1:40 PM

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If you had a JOB you could BUY a replacement motherboard with the MONEY from your JOB

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 1:41 PM

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omg i have a job!

fading shell Oct 5, 2025, 1:41 PM

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light owl mine was the i7-8650U without dGPU and a 1080p display i loved it i had a big ba...

mods copy pasta

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pls ban from the channel

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 2:11 PM

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kind herald I LOVE THINKPAD T480

I love mine

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They’re great machines

quaint rain Oct 5, 2025, 2:23 PM

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kind herald I LOVE THINKPAD T480

Twinkpad

slim bramble Oct 5, 2025, 2:45 PM

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kind herald I LOVE THINKPAD T480

@open fjord

open fjord Oct 5, 2025, 2:58 PM

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Thinkpad supremacy

jagged willow Oct 5, 2025, 3:46 PM

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grim sparrow its my arch shit about machine

i just don’t run linux

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ever

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i have zero use for it 😭 I wanna put windows back on my old laptop but I need to figure this out still

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 3:47 PM

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every robot I work on runs linux in some way

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so i have to do a lot of targeted dev

jagged willow Oct 5, 2025, 3:48 PM

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i have only a mac and balena etcher does not exactly “work”

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I run my server off macOS by complete chance lmao

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 3:50 PM

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i have a m1 mini acting as a ci runner

jagged willow Oct 5, 2025, 3:52 PM

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nice

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i’ve had people tell me my macbook pro isn’t a server (except i host a ton of services off my mbp including portainer)

cloud yacht Oct 5, 2025, 4:36 PM

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I mean many machines aren't severs but you can run a bunch of stuff off them. Most server stuff use basically no resources when you're the only user (and can often handle hobbiest load for quote a while with minimal load) and you can run useful stuff on pretty much any PC made in the past couple decades

timid furnace Oct 5, 2025, 4:38 PM

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for desktops yes

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for laptops it makes less sense

cloud yacht Oct 5, 2025, 4:48 PM

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Laptops still work fine as servers

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They aren't as good as desktops in the I can stick a bunch of hard drives in this later part but if all you cars about is having code running all the time a laptop is just as good as a desktop

jagged willow Oct 5, 2025, 4:51 PM

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cloud yacht They aren't as good as desktops in the I can stick a bunch of hard drives in thi...

im getting a machine as an actual server later, I'm still looking for a machine that has a caddy on it for easier hard drive usage

quaint rain Oct 5, 2025, 4:52 PM

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jagged willow im getting a machine as an actual server later, I'm still looking for a machine ...

Elitedesk or optiplex

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Most have up to 3 drive bays

faint stag Oct 5, 2025, 4:53 PM

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this can't be real man 😭

cloud yacht Oct 5, 2025, 4:54 PM

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A large chunk of my server operations are still running on a rasberru pi 4

rocky oriole Oct 5, 2025, 5:04 PM

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cloud yacht A large chunk of my server operations are still running on a rasberru pi 4

the jailbreaks.app status bot and an instance of GIR (plus some other things) are all running off of my rpi 5

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might run a webserver on there also

jagged willow Oct 5, 2025, 5:14 PM

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rocky oriole might run a webserver on there also

what’s a web server think

rocky oriole Oct 5, 2025, 5:14 PM

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jagged willow what’s a web server <:think:1412148438375731333>

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn_web_development/Howto/Web_mechanics/What_is_a_web_server

MDN Web Docs

What is a web server? - Learn web development | MDN

In this article, we explain what web servers are, how web servers work, and why they are important.

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(what hosts a website)

jagged willow Oct 5, 2025, 5:16 PM

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oh

harsh junco Oct 5, 2025, 6:13 PM

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Does anyone happen to have modern patched tvos sdk
Like 14.0+

grim sparrow Oct 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

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harsh junco Does anyone happen to have modern patched tvos sdk Like 14.0+

https://github.com/lechium/Apple_TVOS_18.2_22K154/tree/master not an sdk but all headers

GitHub

GitHub - lechium/Apple_TVOS_18.2_22K154: Private headers & entitlem...

Private headers & entitlements for daemons, frameworks, applications private frameworks and more for tvOS 18.2 22K154 - lechium/Apple_TVOS_18.2_22K154

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Hmmm

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Do I attempt to rewrite the entire Swift Concurrency backend

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Seems like a pretty monstrous task

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I mean in theory what I could do instead is just null every function

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So libraries that use it still compile

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They're just syncronous

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I mean ngl Swift Concurrency is just a nice-to-have

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DispatchQueue works for 90% of shit

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Even Concurrency uses it quite a lot 💀

magic hazel Oct 5, 2025, 11:29 PM

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lmao

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Me when devlogs

light owl Oct 5, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Okay

magic hazel Oct 6, 2025, 12:43 AM

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Anyone know where libswift comes from?

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The one on bigboss

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Is it just libswiftCore.dylib packaged?

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LMAO

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it's just all the swift dylibs

grim sparrow Oct 6, 2025, 6:44 AM

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magic hazel it's just all the swift dylibs

Yes

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It’s so apps don’t need to bundle the libs

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Especially on iOS 12

#

I’ve got libswiftconcurrency on havoc

magic hazel Oct 6, 2025, 6:45 AM

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grim sparrow I’ve got libswiftconcurrency on havoc

Concurrency works on iOS 12 which is cool

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I tested that

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Not on iOS 11>

grim sparrow Oct 6, 2025, 6:46 AM

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Mhm

magic hazel Oct 6, 2025, 6:46 AM

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grim sparrow It’s so apps don’t need to bundle the libs

I’ll need to make one for iOS 6

grim sparrow Oct 6, 2025, 6:46 AM

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That sounds like a monumental amount of effort

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For very little gain

magic hazel Oct 6, 2025, 6:46 AM

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grim sparrow That sounds like a monumental amount of effort

How

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I already have the dylibs

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lol

grim sparrow Oct 6, 2025, 6:47 AM

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Surely Swift concurrency is gonna be ass to backporr

magic hazel Oct 6, 2025, 6:47 AM

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Oh

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No I’m not doing that

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I meant libswift

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The dependency

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Also it wouldn’t be for iOS 6 if I did it it be for iOS 6-11 but I’m not doing it

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It’s too much work

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It’s the work for a team

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Not an individual

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It’s way beyond my skill level

exotic dagger Oct 7, 2025, 3:24 PM

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hey everyone, quick question. how are ramdisks made for jailbreaks like checkra1n and palera1n? i am on my journey to writing a jailbreak for A8 devices although i am stuck on this part.

faint timber Oct 7, 2025, 3:28 PM

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The stuff on it is pretty automated. For example the procursus build system can build all the tools and deps for the ramdisk.

exotic dagger Oct 7, 2025, 3:29 PM

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bear with me english is my third language haha. so let me rephrase, i want to create a ramdisk, something that checkra1n utilizes for example having the loader app on the homescreen after booting

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just for now want to do a ramdisk that i can use with pongo and have it contain a loader app of some sort

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i am really confused on this part, i cannot find any proper information on this. also if something i say makes you confused, please tell me that.

floral notch Oct 7, 2025, 5:14 PM

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i wanna set up some sort of automated testing thing for jailed and/or jb iOS software, i used to use corellium but looks like it got infiltrated by suits, and they killed the $50/mo iOS emulator thing (cuz it doesnt make money i guess) what else is out there?

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so it seems like the only legit alternative is to use bitrise, which is lame. or have a farm of palera1n devices, or mac minis or something, which is something i dont really want to do, doing sysadmin on apple hardware sux

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but then i found this https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM

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so basically my question is, has anyone used OSX-KVM and got it to work? or is there a corellium alternative out there somewhere?

cloud yacht Oct 7, 2025, 5:16 PM

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it does work but it has no hardware acceleration so iOS sim is super slow

floral notch Oct 7, 2025, 5:16 PM

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how slow

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like how many orders of magnitude

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if its just 1, i could live with that

cloud yacht Oct 7, 2025, 5:17 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

floral notch Oct 7, 2025, 5:17 PM

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lol

cloud yacht Oct 7, 2025, 5:17 PM

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I don't own a real macos device with modern metal drivers

floral notch Oct 7, 2025, 5:17 PM

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icic

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i mean if its like 10-20x slower thats fine, but if its like 100x slower then that will be an issue

cloud yacht Oct 7, 2025, 5:18 PM

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try it and see

floral notch Oct 7, 2025, 5:19 PM

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ye. thank god it exists

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kind of scary it requires x64

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A CPU with Intel VT-x / AMD SVM support is required

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would think theyd try to support arm64 at least....

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only a matter of time till apple drops x64 support, then this project is on life support

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oh ya, they're dropping x64 for the next macOS release https://reddit.com/r/macpro/comments/1l8xnri/macos_tahoe_26_will_be_the_final_release_for_the

faint timber Oct 7, 2025, 5:51 PM

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MacPro7,1 is still supported

harsh junco Oct 7, 2025, 6:04 PM

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floral notch but then i found this https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM

There is also https://docs.darwinkvm.com/

DarwinKVM

Welcome

The advanced guide for running Mac OS X / macOS within QEMU with GPU Passthrough.

heavy zephyr Oct 7, 2025, 7:42 PM

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100% unrelated to the original question, neat video with a 50% off IDA license purchase with discount code in description.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVD0fbiNbnM

YouTube

Billy Ellis

Is the iPhone 17 the First Un-Breakable Phone?

Are you a security researcher or reverse engineer? Get 50% off your next IDA license purchase with discount code BILLY50.

To activate your 50% product discount, click "Get a quote" in the web shop (under "Order & Pay), or email sales@hex-rays.com. Make sure to mention the discount code BILLY50.
Note: This discount is only applicable to individu...

▶ Play video

timid furnace Oct 7, 2025, 8:01 PM

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floral notch but then i found this https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM

are you trying to do iOS or macOS?

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this is for virtualized macOS

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:10 PM

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heavy zephyr 100% unrelated to the original question, neat video with a 50% off IDA license p...

yeah hexrays got bought by private equity and is now acting like standard businesses now

#

but also I'm pretty sure those licenses are now subscription based

heavy zephyr Oct 7, 2025, 8:12 PM

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wooden yarrow yeah hexrays got bought by private equity and is now acting like standard busine...

That's awful to hear 🙁

heavy zephyr Oct 7, 2025, 8:13 PM

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wooden yarrow but also I'm pretty sure those licenses are now subscription based

Yeah, yearly subs but they now offer a "personal use" license

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:13 PM

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heavy zephyr That's awful to hear 🙁

to be fair I don't think you can do much worse than $10k per license

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well, maybe worse for businesses now though

heavy zephyr Oct 7, 2025, 8:14 PM

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wooden yarrow to be fair I don't think you can do much worse than $10k per license

Could be $10k/yr per seat per company license (with a base fee of $2k per company)... 👀

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Oh, it's $8599/yr USD. And also priced out per # of local "decompilers", this is a terrible strategy wtf https://hex-rays.com/pricing

IDA Pricing Plans: Pro, Home & Free

Choose the right IDA plan: Professional, hobbyist, student, or enterprise. Flexible decompiler options, cloud or local deployment, collaboration tools.

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:15 PM

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yeahh

heavy zephyr Oct 7, 2025, 8:16 PM

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Wonder how many people switched to binary ninja because of the licensing changes alone

quaint rain Oct 7, 2025, 8:17 PM

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floral notch i wanna set up some sort of automated testing thing for jailed and/or jb iOS sof...

As far as I know iOS emulation is kinda monopolized by them,

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:17 PM

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heavy zephyr Wonder how many people switched to binary ninja because of the licensing changes...

well, I certainly know people that have binary ninja licenses but none in mind for IDA

quaint rain Oct 7, 2025, 8:18 PM

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timid furnace are you trying to do iOS or macOS?

Maybe in their case the xCode iOS simulator could work?

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:18 PM

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floral notch i wanna set up some sort of automated testing thing for jailed and/or jb iOS sof...

https://vxtwitter.com/eshard/status/1975562581277577403 I just saw this tweet

eShard (@eshard)

You’ve followed the journey since our first QEMU boot logs. Now it’s time to open the doors: the iOS emulator will be available for early access.

📩 Apply to the shortlist. https://u.eshard.com/ios-emulator?utm_source=x

Limited time and spots. https://t.co/N5RlOcalvt

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maybe wait a couple years

timid furnace Oct 7, 2025, 8:45 PM

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wooden yarrow https://vxtwitter.com/eshard/status/1975562581277577403 I just saw this tweet

what license is qemu

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gpl?

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:46 PM

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timid furnace gpl?

https://github.com/qemu/qemu/blob/master/LICENSE yep GPLv2

GitHub

qemu/LICENSE at master · qemu/qemu

Official QEMU mirror. Please see https://www.qemu.org/contribute/ for how to submit changes to QEMU. Pull Requests are ignored. Please only use release tarballs from the QEMU website. - qemu/qemu

timid furnace Oct 7, 2025, 8:46 PM

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so this should be open source

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™

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 8:51 PM

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timid furnace so this should be open source

send them a GPL OSS notice on day 1 of release

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!

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i do wonder what other companies do at this point though

#

like surely other companies have also capitalized on the commercialization of qemu

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and perhaps made some of their own changes

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i guess it might be probable that they offer it hosted on their servers?

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(which GPLv2 doesn't necessarily say is distribution and thus sources don't require releasing)

quaint rain Oct 7, 2025, 10:44 PM

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wooden yarrow send them a GPL OSS notice on day 1 of release

They’ll probably try to put out the source in a way where its fucked up to get it and you have to mail them or sthm

wooden yarrow Oct 7, 2025, 10:44 PM

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quaint rain They’ll probably try to put out the source in a way where its fucked up to get i...

well, i better get ready to send my certified mail to them

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no amount of mail will be equivalent to the amount of effort they took to work on this

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trolley~2

magic hazel Oct 7, 2025, 10:45 PM

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💀

reef trail Oct 7, 2025, 10:51 PM

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floral notch so basically my question is, has anyone used OSX-KVM and got it to work? or is t...

i've used osx kvm

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worked fine after following the instructions

magic hazel Oct 7, 2025, 10:55 PM

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Ngl I always found qemu based emulators more trouble than they’re worth, I do get them to work but they’re so messy and not self contained that it’s annoying to deal with

hasty ruin Oct 8, 2025, 2:19 AM

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heavy zephyr 100% unrelated to the original question, neat video with a 50% off IDA license p...

There’s a 100% discount code in #1189739986707288154

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Many of them actually

heavy zephyr Oct 8, 2025, 3:04 AM

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hasty ruin There’s a 100% discount code in <#1189739986707288154>

Other than that channel is unknown to me, good to know that there is a channel for five finger discounts

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Or I guess ten keyless discounts

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 3:20 AM

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hasty ruin There’s a 100% discount code in <#1189739986707288154>

What is that channel

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 3:22 AM

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Orange Name Only (ONO)

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 3:25 AM

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radiant idol Orange Name Only (ONO)

Is that developer or another role

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 3:25 AM

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It's developer but the channel hasn't been active for a while

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I mean it has its moments but it's nothing too interesting

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 3:47 AM

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radiant idol It's developer but the channel hasn't been active for a while

Oh, I can't see it

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 3:50 AM

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right, it's private

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:02 AM

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Oh so it’s invite only rather than blanket developer role

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:02 AM

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yeah

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:02 AM

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Makes sense

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:03 AM

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how's your Swift stuff going anyway?

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:04 AM

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Pretty good

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I’m working on UI rn

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I’ve replicated UIBlurEffect and now I’m working on the navigation bar

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:05 AM

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Fascinating

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:05 AM

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iOS 6->7->12->15

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:05 AM

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How's the experience of actually writing apps? (Minus the tediousness of UIKit vs SwiftUI)

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:06 AM

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After a feature is implemented it’s identical to how it’d be in modern UIKit

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I make absolutely sure the api is exactly the same

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Except I did add some extras for UIBlurEffect

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Bcus for some brain dead reason apple doesn’t let you do a custom radius

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It took so long to make .regular look the same

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:06 AM

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No yeah I just mean, how does it actually feel to write apps for iOS 6?

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I've never developed for legacy iOS, that's why I'm curious

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:07 AM

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It’d be the same as developing for modem iOS

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Roughly

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Neat

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Ive added enough in at this point that it’s very close

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:07 AM

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Cool stuff man, exciting as well

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Minus really a single thing

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Scene delegate

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Right

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Never gonna happen tho it’s out of the question I think

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It’s an entire update of UIKit basically

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It was all of UIKit 13

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:08 AM

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yeah

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Plus my shim is useful for iOS 7-12 asw

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Adds intypes that don’t exist

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Also I found out how to bypass ambiguity in those

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:08 AM

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AppDelegate was only deprecated in iOS 26 I think, so you're fine

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Types

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Oh?

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How'd you do it?

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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UIKitCompatKit.UIStackView

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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o

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oh that's cool

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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YOu just prefix it with the module

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You barely ever need to

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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nice

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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But at least if you do need to

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You can

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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cool stuff

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Indeed

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public extension UIViewController {

    var unifiedTitle: String? {
        get {
            // On iOS 7+, just use the normal title
            if #available(iOS 7.0.1, *) {
                return self.title
            } else {
                // On iOS 6, try to read from the navigationItem.titleView if it's a UILabel
                if let label = self.navigationItem.titleView as? UILabel {
                    return label.text
                }
                return nil
            }
        }
        set {
            if #available(iOS 7.0.1, *) {
                self.title = newValue
            } else {
                // Create a UILabel for the titleView on iOS 6
                let titleView = UILabel()
                titleView.text = newValue
                titleView.font = .boldSystemFont(ofSize: 17)
                titleView.backgroundColor = .clear
                titleView.textColor = .black
                titleView.textAlignment = .center
                titleView.sizeToFit()
                self.navigationItem.titleView = titleView
            }
        }
    }

}```

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this is gonna be a sep library

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unifiedUI

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smthing like that

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so you can expect a similar looking result as well

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:10 AM

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magic hazel

thats this essentially

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

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why iOS 7.0.1

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that's odd

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

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radiant idol why iOS 7.0.1

Fix bugs

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See

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Minimum deployment for Swift is always 7.0

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No matter what you do

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

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mhm

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

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So if you don't do 7.0.1

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It'll assume inside the package

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At buildtime

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That it's okay

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When it's not

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

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wow lol

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:11 AM

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And like

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Lets get real

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Who the fuck is running 7.0.0

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Basically nobody

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:12 AM

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I mean technically you could do a runtime check instead

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:12 AM

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It is a runtime check 😭

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:12 AM

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UIDevice.currentDevice.operatingSystemVersion or something

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:12 AM

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#available is runtime

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:12 AM

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yes yes

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but I mean in a way that the compiler can't see

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hold

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:12 AM

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also i get errors in the pkg

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yeah

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ig

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actually wait

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theres an easier way lmao

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if #available iOS 6.2

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💀

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:13 AM

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wait what

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:13 AM

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think a bout it

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7 is above 6.2

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6.2 never existed

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so 6.1 will always go past it

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:13 AM

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does 6.2 not exist?

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oh

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try it

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:13 AM

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W

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:13 AM

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I'm curious

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:15 AM

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Can't even build Swift for iOS 6 from source bcus of Atomic_Store

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:16 AM

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:P

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:16 AM

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It's one of those bugs i just ignore

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it basically never pops up

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ive had it once and it was weak selfs fault but i actually think it was something elses

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i reckon it was all the @MainActor's that usually are fine bcus they usually don't do jackshit

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but sometimes they end up actually doing a job properly

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and thats when shit goes to hell

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I need a new touch 7

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my current one has an explody battery

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hmm

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doesnt seem to be working

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grrr

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rip

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idk why it wouldnt tho woeis

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yeah i think its the pkg shit

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it just does funni stuff

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welp at least for now 7.0.1 works and thats that ig

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There are quite a few things I have to do to make the UI Consistent tho

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The status bar is pissfuck easy

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It's not identical rn but its close enough that it doesn't matter

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What isn't easy to do is uh the toggles, the tableviews, the tabviews

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woeis

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:21 AM

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maybe what you should do is embrace iOS 6 instead of trying to make it look like iOS 7+

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:22 AM

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You could do that but then you're writing an application for iOS 6

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which can you do

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Hence why this is a sep library

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:22 AM

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I guess

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:22 AM

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But this library i'm working on is aimed yet again at developers who want minimal effort to make unified applications for legacy devices

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eventually i hope to have enough going that it is really easy for a modern uikit developer to literally just download Xcode 13.4.1 and rebuild their application with my libraries as dependencies

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and change like

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1 or 2 lines of code

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Applications I would write won't use either

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I always use custom ui elements (unless its liquid glass)

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i might end up also attempting a somewhat replication of liquid glass

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im also really tempted to make my blur implementation MUCH more complex

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does anyone have any experience doing temporal accumulation

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The other thing is that for apps where the code is open sourced, and people actually want the app on lower ios versions, the effort required is so minimal that I'd probably just do it myself

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I'm thinking of making a single script that puts all the replacement files in place and sets everything up so all that has to be done is install the swift toolchains, change some uielementts from "nativeui whatever to unifiedui" and then run the buildscript

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Interesting

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I wonder how little effort I would have to make it so that anyone would do it

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As of rn if you don't use concurrency it would take like

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20 minutes tops

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Probably a lot less

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:59 AM

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I think the main concern is just... what's the point

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For big apps, anyway

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 4:59 AM

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radiant idol For big apps, anyway

I mean realistically nobody in here is working on a big app

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But in general that's understandable

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The point is why not

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 4:59 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hexed knot Oct 8, 2025, 5:00 AM

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The same reason it's standard for apps on the app store to support latest major iOS - 1

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:00 AM

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more targets to worry about, tiny userbase, shim might not be 100% perfect, etc

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:01 AM

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hexed knot The same reason it's standard for apps on the app store to support latest major ...

New API's?

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small userbase

hexed knot Oct 8, 2025, 5:01 AM

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What nightwind said

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Having to support such an old version limits what you can use as well so yes new apis

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It's the same problem with consoles

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Game publishers are still supporting the PS4 which is hindering actual good games for the PS5

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:03 AM

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That's what my packages exist to cover, the idea is you add them and have to at most change the names of a few uielements and everything works the same, newer platforms just passthrough the actual api, the older ones fallback to the shim, so realistically, what happens is that the old versions now get a type of access to the app, and the newer users app doesn't get impacted at all

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That's the goal at least

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So far it's working out pretty nicely

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I got Swift Cross UI to work on iOS 9+ which was previously 13+ in like 2 hours and it used full concurrency

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:04 AM

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Sure but there is so many wonderful new APIs that apps use that just physically wouldn't be available on such old versions

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:04 AM

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radiant idol Sure but there is so many wonderful new APIs that apps use that just physically ...

I'm actually struggling to find anything that's not Liquid Glass or concurrency based that I can't at least somewhat replicate

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:04 AM

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In some cases, those APIs might be crucial for the app's functionality

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:05 AM

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magic hazel I'm actually struggling to find anything that's not Liquid Glass or concurrency ...

Replicating them is one thing, but realistically one person just would not be able to develop a 1/1 match with all the new APIs

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The amount of users on such old iOSs are so minuscule that it's not worth putting in the labor to possibly strip down some API usage

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:06 AM

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I reckon I can get it pretty close

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:06 AM

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There are so many small random APIs

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:07 AM

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I spend my freetime reading apple's documentation

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💀

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:07 AM

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like did you know TipKit was a thing? I found that out today

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:07 AM

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yes

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lmao

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its one of the libraries i looked into seeing if its worth replicating

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:07 AM

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interesting

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:07 AM

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then aagin

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its ios 17+

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and barely anyone uses it

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thats like a super duper edge case

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:07 AM

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most apps today are iOS 16+ or iOS 17+

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:08 AM

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ios 16 is where im looking

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ios 17 is a tad problematic

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:08 AM

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there are also apps that are iOS 18+, just FYI

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:08 AM

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well yeah but like again

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think about this

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this is r/jb

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last ios to get a jb

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ios 16

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most devs here

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ios 16+

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if not ios 15+

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bcus dopamine

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:10 AM

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Yeah but I can't even think of a modern app that requires a jailbreak that was released semi-recently lol

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:10 AM

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realistically, i think i can get 90-95% of uikit, 100% of foundation (gonna put in a lot of hours to backport URLComponents inside the compiler bcus I know a lot of people use it), and about 80% of the total amount of frameworks that exist in all of Apple's offering

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:10 AM

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Good luck lol

cloud yacht Oct 8, 2025, 5:10 AM

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magic hazel ios 16

☝️ 🤓 ios 18 has a jailbreak on one specific iPad using palera1n

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:10 AM

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cloud yacht ☝️ 🤓 ios 18 has a jailbreak on one specific iPad using palera1n

palera1n at this point doesn't count

cloud yacht Oct 8, 2025, 5:11 AM

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Its a jailbreak

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:11 AM

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its a single ipad

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💀

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thats also absolutely shit to use

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:11 AM

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radiant idol Good luck lol

Realistically what was really good is actually testing it on an app, i need like a bunch of open source modern uikit apps, bcus when i did it on swiftcrossui i added at least 20+ apis to the package that it used

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Reading apples docs is one thing

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Seeing what people actually end up using is another

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:12 AM

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that's a fair point, but the project itself is so niche, that's the main issue with adoption

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:12 AM

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I am also about 40% of the way there convincing myself to waste my life rewriting swift concurrency for iOS 6-12 so that you literally don't have to remove anything

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:13 AM

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radiant idol that's a fair point, but the project itself is so niche, that's the main issue w...

That's why I'm not looking at just iOS 6 anymore

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iOS 13 introduced so much that iOS 12- misses out on

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There's a substantial chunk of people still on an iPhone 6

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:13 AM

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Apps today are starting to use FoundationModels for example (iOS 26+), just mentioning

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:13 AM

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That won't be widely adopted for at least 3 years

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That's generally how stuff goes

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SwiftUI was like that as well

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:14 AM

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magic hazel There's a substantial chunk of people still on an iPhone 6

that's in the context of the jailbreak community, for the people on stock it's waaay more skewed towards latest

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:14 AM

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magic hazel That won't be widely adopted for at least 3 years

I mean, it's quite a nice API, I did some playing around with it

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:14 AM

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radiant idol that's in the context of the jailbreak community, for the people on stock it's w...

Ehh, iPhone 6 sold a stupid amount of units, maybe in the US that's true, other places it depends

magic hazel Oct 8, 2025, 5:15 AM

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radiant idol I mean, it's quite a nice API, I did some playing around with it

Yeah I know I've tried it as well

radiant idol Oct 8, 2025, 5:15 AM

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magic hazel Ehh, iPhone 6 sold a stupid amount of units, maybe in the US that's true, other ...

fair