development

[rain falcon]

@kind herald cracker

[quaint rain]

@kind herald clicker

[hexed knot]

Cracker

[rocky oriole]

clanker

[cloud yacht]

@kind herald

[rocky oriole]

add as server emoji plz

[tepid olive]

I was making a joke about hairy potter but now I see how that term can be misinterpreted i sincerely apologize 🥀

✊🏻✊🏼✊🏽✊🏾✊🏿

[gentle grove]

pussy

[warped sky]

[fading shell]

<@&355174844205367317>

[brazen patio]

Little tip for the one guy developing the Liquid Glass recreation: I keep getting this bug on iPadOS 26 beta 4, and based on the way it behaves, it seems like Apple modified the shadow shader

[vocal salmon]

hi guys, is it ANY way, to get active more than two Esim at the same time?

thx

[sonic totem]

I thought it was already possible?

Oh active

[rain falcon]

@kind herald clanker

[harsh junco]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wo84LFzx5nI

[rocky oriole]

Don't think so

[grim sparrow]

Install a new modem capable of it

[wooden yarrow]

creating a competitor to Qualcomm and mediatek and apple and etc just to have more than 2 active esims (all of my competitors will copy the idea and I will be doomed to fail from the start)

also battery life usage must be horrendous

[grim sparrow]

This is why you can only use 1 data line

And the other is texts only

the battery life is almost no diff when your link speed is 1kbps

There’s in theory a way to allow both lines to act as a data line but fuck knows how to figure that out

[wooden yarrow]

well, it can also do calls but yes

[grim sparrow]

ah yes and no

it can receive an incoming call but starting the call actually stops the other line

so if i receive a call on line a but my data line is b, I will lose internet duirng the call

until I manually go and set the data line to line a

which you can't do during a call in ios

for some absurd reason

[wooden yarrow]

reminding me of dialup

[grim sparrow]

so if you REALLY need a connection you have to hang up, change data line and then call back

Think Different™

[nimble comet]

or enable data switching

[wooden yarrow]

<@&355174844205367317> erm

ty

[timid furnace]

You need a DSDA (Dual SIM Dual Active) phone. These are pretty rare (most are DSDS, Dual SIM Dual Standby)

[wooden yarrow]

<@&355174844205367317> these bots keep appearing

[grim sparrow]

This only is a thing if one line has No Service

Like literally no service

oh wait I see what you mean yes

although in my experience it’s 50:50 whether it works in calls

But that might be a Tailscale bug

[nimble comet]

Tailscale goated

[rain falcon]

@kind herald clanker

[sonic totem]

Do we have to do this in #development ?

Whatever the joke is there is no need to post it multiple times per day in a development-focused channel

#general exists for a reason

[lethal kayak]

clanker

[light owl]

@native dune Hey bro can you help me develop something

[native dune]

@native dune Hey bro can you help me develop something

[wheat grotto]

@light owl Hey bro can you help me develop something

[light owl]

@wheat grotto Hey bro can you help me develop something

[wheat grotto]

no

[rain falcon]

cry me a river u degenerate coder

@native dune Hey bro can you help me develop something

[tepid olive]

Nebula I need help with my code

@marsh ocean my vibe coded calculator isn’t working

[lime pivot]

Casey Muratori is great. I strongly recommend searching his name and watching all of it

[tepid olive]

What did bro say

[fading shell]

<@&355174844205367317>

[vivid dew]

<@&355174844205367317>

[fading shell]

<@&355174844205367317>

[hasty ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

@torn oriole when are you dropping v2 of this gif to fix the duped frame

[light owl]

Just put it in ezgif and delete the frame bruh

[wooden yarrow]

<@&355174844205367317> so many

[fading shell]

<@&355174844205367317>

[cloud yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[wooden yarrow]

what

apple so jolly back in ios 6

[hasty ruin]

pre tim

[wooden yarrow]

tim is a machine that turns despair into money

[hasty ruin]

tim is a machine that turned apple into a rotting pile of turd

a rich rotting pile of turd*

[wooden yarrow]

rotten apple

[tender imp]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-mod-moderator-moderation-clash-of-clans-gif-24080525

[tepid olive]

Will my app get approved

[hollow oar]

💀

[rocky oriole]

lmao

[quaint rain]

They were the one who made it?

[faint timber]

make an eeffoc app

[tepid olive]

What is EEFFOC

Ah coffee

[faint timber]

its a trend like 500 cigs

[slim bramble]

!t roblox

[faint lion]

roblox

This Discord server is for iOS jailbreaking, not Roblox. Please keep your discussions on-topic, thank you!

Added by SlimShadyIAm#9999 | Used 3,146 times · Dec 21, 2020, 9:17 PM

[severe stream]

<@&355174844205367317>

[kind herald]

Maxine

[vivid dew]

!t fr

[tepid olive]

Developers lost their mind

[velvet path]

not their fault

thank the UK

anyways:

• imagine bragging about piracy
• imagine doing so in the development channel
• this isn't going to stop this more than likely down the road

[tepid olive]

Well maybe they should focus on securing their app more instead of useless features

[quaint rain]

What even was it?

[tepid olive]

An over reaction

[granite frigate]

Maxine

[frank fossil]

Has anyone ever left logging enabled in Console and killed diagnosticd on iOS 16? Doing so completely froze my phone 😭 backtrace below (lldb and debugserver themselves didn't freeze so)

I had to force reboot since all commands would also freeze

[indigo kraken]

yeah

although trying to kill it with something like killall -SIGKILL just fails - it’s the same case when you have a logging profile that changes com.apple.system.logging.plist

just whenever /var/preferences/Logging/com.apple.diagnosticd.filter.plist exists, in other words when logs are streaming

[tepid olive]

daniel

[cloud yacht]

daniel

[frank fossil]

Is there any way I can like.. use simulator’s MTLSimDriver to provide Metal acceleration cross chroot via XPC?
There’s MTLSimDriverHost.xpc but there is no Info.plist so I can’t figure out how to use it, and it seems launchd doesn’t allow registering arbitrary XPC service systemwide without modifying launchd.plist

(context: tryna boot WindowServer on iPhone)

[harsh junco]

Does anyone know how to fix this? Happens with every app/process but frida-ps works
16.6.1 se3 nathanlr Artix GNU

[meighler@ThinkPadX1-Gen8 ~]$ frida -U -n Sileo
     ____
    / _  |   Frida 17.2.14 - A world-class dynamic instrumentation toolkit
   | (_| |
    > _  |   Commands:
   /_/ |_|       help      -> Displays the help system
   . . . .       object?   -> Display information about 'object'
   . . . .       exit/quit -> Exit
   . . . .
   . . . .   More info at https://frida.re/docs/home/
   . . . .
   . . . .   Connected to iOS Device (id=xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Failed to attach: tLS connection closed unexpectedly                  

[harsh junco]

@visual meadow does frida work on nathanlr?

[visual meadow]

No

[harsh junco]

[harsh junco]

What’s the technical reason for that

[vivid dew]

this is embarassing

please just use a regular slur

[cloud yacht]

most regular slurs are blocked sadly

[sonic totem]

<@&355174844205367317>

[exotic spire]

Handled

[frank fossil]

I think I got Metal XPC working for real...

[slim bramble]

You really had to censor me wtf

🙄🙄

[wooden yarrow]

<@&355174844205367317> erm

[thin valley]

Maxine

No?

[wooden yarrow]

guess it wasn't maxine

[exotic spire]

Why lol

[thin valley]

Lmao Maxine is usually always first, Maxine is a robot, Maxine is the moderator.

Usually by the time I type Maxine the user is being banned already

[exotic spire]

True

Maxine bot

[exotic spire]

That's why I improved speed using reactions

[kind herald]

Was asleep sorry

[wooden yarrow]

moderators sleeping

[thin valley]

https://tenor.com/view/neighborhood-spiderman-yuh-everybody-gets-only-one-peter-griffin-family-guy-gif-16522409

[quaint rain]

I dont think she’s a clanker

[slim bramble]

@kind herald clanker

[harsh junco]

Why this exists

https://plugins.hex-rays.com/cisco-talos/ghida

[slim bramble]

😭

[hollow oar]

Ghidra 💔

[sonic totem]

<@&355174844205367317>

[kind herald]

gm

[velvet path]

just as I report with ping it gets banned

hi Maxine

[kind herald]

Im goated like that

[velvet path]

I can tell

anyways I bought an SE1 on 10.3.2 for $20.55 + $2.80

[kind herald]

Based

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/pikuma/status/1951405067002884230?t=UjqR6uMDqnvWFuPRCF9F5g&s=19

pikuma.com (@pikuma)

X · Aug 1, 2025, 10:09 PM

for some reason its funny every time I see it

[gentle grove]

@lament mica

[tepid olive]

<@&355174844205367317>

As usual Maxine does nothing but warn me 💔

[gentle grove]

I hope she warns you again

[tepid olive]

My timbers are shivered lil bro

[gentle grove]

Oh you're timbered for sure

[tepid olive]

Only timbered I am are the Tim’s on my feet

[gentle grove]

That didn't make sense

I hope you get warned for bad joke

[tepid olive]

I hope you get warned for being a member ultra touch grass

[exotic spire]

It’s 5am give her a break

[frank fossil]

guys what does this mean

[tepid olive]

Cursor hidden and inactive

Do you even code bruh

[robust radish]

is this drawn on desktop too? I would guess it is, obscured by layers that are failing to render on ios

[tepid olive]

atp just make me mod

[frank fossil]

My wallet just got drained of 5000 usdt

[frank fossil]

Maybe, you could try it yourself by calling enable_overlay(4) in windowserver

[frank fossil]

yeah it works there too

[robust radish]

neat

[frank fossil]

enable_overlay(0b1111)

[kind herald]

??

[orchid fulcrum]

do you know of a way to do this without a vm, yk when you debug windowserver you can't really keep using the computer as everything freezes, maybe i can inject a dylib that just calls this ?

is the function simply enable_overlay(int arg)

at some point i wanted to make a tool like this lmao didn't know it was built-in

[quaint rain]

???

[cloud yacht]

Not too familiar but you could probably get away with a second device remotely debugging if it's just a case of you want graphics acceleration

Or maybe a CLI debugger over ssh

[manic forum]

i don't get this joke

@kind herald are you a robot

[kind herald]

No

[trail nimbus]

KAC

[frank fossil]

You could ssh from another machine

[faint timber]

How original

[robust radish]

why no vm?

[frank fossil]

Btw you could trace xref of it which leads to some function that checks os_variant_has_internal_content prior to setting it

[sonic totem]

<@&355174844205367317>

[wooden yarrow]

<@&355174844205367317> erm

ty

[manic forum]

i love the moderators-ping-channel

[timid furnace]

what did you do 😭

[kind herald]

my goat got flagged as spam 💔

[cloud yacht]

lmao seeing the ban, gir is thinking is funny

[kind herald]

there is no thinking involved

gir has no brain

[cloud yacht]

yeah but discord uses the term thinking

[tepid olive]

I’m assembling a council of overqualified introverts with trust issues, delusions of grandeur, and matching trauma patterns a decentralized alliance of minds forged in the trenches of iOS jailbreaking. We’ll pretend to collaborate, but everyone’s really building their own exploit chain in silence, racing to outshine each other while claiming it was always about the “community.” It’s not teamwork. It’s firmware warfare

[quaint rain]

Take ur schizo pills bud

[tepid olive]

Already did I snorted them off your moms ass like the wolf of wallstreet

[quaint rain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688122301975363591/1400318605853331590/IMG_4474.gif

[gentle grove]

didn't know it was run by an r/jb staff

[cedar stag]

holy shit it's pwn20wnd

[gentle grove]

That guy is a fake

[cedar stag]

[sonic totem]

I miss when #development was about development

[cedar stag]

I miss when #development was about development

[wooden yarrow]

this has never occured

perhaps you meant: hd

[sonic totem]

Elite

[crisp frost]

The real #development is #1084320818231787552

Or #1279554619952857160

[fading shell]

<@&355174844205367317>

[harsh junco]

How does one bypass antihook?

[faint timber]

Hook the antihook of course

[robust radish]

modify the hooking library to emit a different instruction pattern when it inserts a branch-out. the usual add/adrp/br is extremely recognizable

[quaint rain]

Theos server

[sonic totem]

movk+br >>

[robust radish]

yeah most things don’t check for that pattern

[radiant idol]

@kind herald ^

[sonic totem]

Yeah

I always use it for manual hooks

[cloud yacht]

<@&355174844205367317>

[timid furnace]

what are people using to decrypt stuff

preferably terminal

[steady nest]

img4lib

if decrypt apps, trolldecrypt maybe? if terminal it's flexdecrypt iirc

[visual meadow]

i've had the best experience with bagbak

[timid furnace]

thx

managed to get trolldecrypt to install through the url option in ts lite (my files app is cooked)

[visual meadow]

btw if you care bagbak decrypts plugins as well

[gentle grove]

<@&355174844205367317>

[slim bramble]

@wheat grotto

fuck not you

<@&355174844205367317>

[wheat grotto]

L

HOLY SHIT ITS DRAKE

[slim bramble]

fr

[wheat grotto]

YOO FREE CASH LFG

[slim bramble]

What you'll need very soon

[wheat grotto]

unlike you, im employed

[slim bramble]

[wheat grotto]

ETA of scam deletion: some time in the near future

[slim bramble]

fr

@kind herald get on

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/ptr_to_joel/status/1952627973082993145?t=tpLho16S9uGWgHJrVqW-dQ&s=19

Joel 🇦🇺 (@ptr_to_joel)

system design
make everything async

you are now an enterprise architect

X · Aug 5, 2025, 7:09 AM

[frank fossil]

can anyone help me, I'm stuck in recovery mode

[untold vine]

Anyway to download the .app of the macOS developer 5 beta? My MacBook is not on a good WiFi and my hotspot sucks ass 😢 so I have to use my phone and transfer the .app over lmao

Mods

[quaint rain]

Ethernet

[timid furnace]

You have to wait until public beta for it

[floral notch]

is there anything like cynject for ellekit?

[orchid fulcrum]

well, its a debug tool i dont want to debug the vm (as opposed to my own session).

[naive kraken]

opainject

[visual meadow]

Anyone here overwrite a sysctl with krw before

[tepid olive]

Light work 🥱

[visual meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379225281939767426/1401229760385781916/ezgif-71e4d0a8e11b6d.gif

[sonic totem]

Yes

What exactly are you overwriting

The pointer it reads from?

(They’re data PAC’d)

[visual meadow]

Shit

Because the ones i want to set are set by launchd once on boot

And then they can't be changed

I just need to change kern.osversion and kern.osproductversion

[visual meadow]

Am I able to overwrite e.g kern.osproductversion from 16.5.1 to 16.4.1 or is that data pac'd

I wonder if i could make a different sysctl point to that one and then change it and point it back

Or is that what you meant that was data pac'd

[sonic totem]

Could also be in __const

[visual meadow]

They aren't hardcoded

The values of them

[sonic totem]

So the sysctl is in __data?

[visual meadow]

I'm pretty sure bc launchd sets those on boot

[floral notch]

thanks for making it MIT licensed, it cool if i vendorize it? i dont see it listed in any repos

[sonic totem]

Oh I see

Well you can set the actual variable

Just can’t change the pointer it reads from

[visual meadow]

Oh then that's fine

That's what I wanted to do

I'm probably gonna set them to null and then set them again in launchdhook like they're supposed to be

Or I'll just overwrite them not sure

[naive kraken]

it's shipped by dopamine

dopamine ships a builtin package with a symlink for it

I can release it to some repo if you need it

although figuring out the logistics of this could be annoying

since my builtin package would need to conflict with it some way

[floral notch]

ah damn im using palera1n

yea adding it to a repo sounds like a logistical nightmare

maybe its best if i just vendorize it and send patches upstream if i make changes

[naive kraken]

just place it in some place it doesn't conflict

then do whatever with it idc

[floral notch]

yeah i probably would just statically link it to an existing binary and strip all the CLI options etc

[visual meadow]

I figured out how to

but the end goal didnt work

Im trying to run newer/older userspaces

but rn camera picture/video/screen recording dont work

I was like maybe its that but its not

[wooden yarrow]

<@&355174844205367317> erm

ty

[exotic spire]

Np

[sonic totem]

That’s gonna have a lot of issues if your kernel is the wrong version

Syscalls, IOKit client methods, stuff like that

[visual meadow]

Only issue I had rn was taking pictures/videos wouldn't save, screen recording wouldnt work

I was trying 16.4.1 on 16.5.1

[sonic totem]

Oh right

I thought you were trying a different major version

[visual meadow]

I was trying 17 but i gave up on that bc something with posix spawn was broken

[visual meadow]

Persistence cannot continue due to a capture error. (Error Domain=AVFoundationErrorDomain Code=-11800 "The operation could not be completed" UserInfo={NSUnderlyingError=0x281805f20 {Error Domain=NSOSStatusErrorDomain Code=-536870206 "(null)"}, NSLocalizedFailureReason=An unknown error occurred (-536870206), AVErrorRecordingFailureDomainKey=4, NSLocalizedDescription=The operation could not be completed})```
Camera error btw

[river storm]

People who understand, can I create a tweak or something like that to turn off and on the dylib of my project? Can anyone tell me this?

In short, I have a project to hack a game, and I want to know how I can protect it. Can anyone here who understands this help me?

[river storm]

I need an iOS dev to protect a dylib file.

[manic forum]

what do you mean by "protecting" it

obfuscation? drm?

[river storm]

ye

obfuscation

[river storm]

i need obfuscation

[manic forum]

i know there are tools to automate obfuscation but i found simple string encryption to be good enough for me most of the time

[river storm]

hmm

you can see dm?

or don’t can

I need an iOS dev to obfuscation or protection a dylib file.

[sonic totem]

pls pay $1000

[river storm]

it’s really?

or joke

[river storm]

I need some dev to obfuscate a dylib file, or put protections on it. I can pay for it

[tepid olive]

import Foundation

func protect(dylib: String) {
print("Protecting (dylib)...")
let cloaked = dylib.replacingOccurrences(of: ".dylib", with: ".png")
try? FileManager.default.moveItem(atPath: dylib, toPath: cloaked)
print("Now totally uncrackable as (cloaked) 🤡")
}

protect(dylib: "/usr/lib/supersecret.dylib")

trust bro it’s stronger than fort Knox

[harsh junco]

Obfuscation is useless imo

[tepid olive]

Bouta make some Top tier vibe coded content

[reef trail]

it's not useless, but you're right it will be deobfuscated eventually

[orchid fulcrum]

i lose all motivation even when something doesn't have symbols 💀

[tepid olive]

Bouta make millions off this app when this game drops I will def be charging money 😭🙏🙏

[granite frigate]

twun

twin

[granite frigate]

try hikari ig

its not maintained now tho

[river storm]

hi

you can

help me?

[sonic totem]

Thank god for KDKs 🗣️🗣️

[faint timber]

SEPROM probably the most motivating thing without symbols to re

[slim bramble]

Mfs when they see rune.dylib

[slim bramble]

Good luck

First to get it to build, second for the wait, building llvm ain’t so fast, and then figuring out good settings

[reef trail]

just obfuscate stuff till it's harder to crack, the amount of obfuscation is up to you 🤷‍♂️

[sonic totem]

iBoot DRAM controller initialisation code 😍😍

[faint timber]

that too I love recfg tunable structs

but I guess seprom is better cuz no source code materials at all

[harsh junco]

Or foxfort drm idk

[slim bramble]

Both be using hikari

[faint timber]

hikari the weakest shit on the planet lmao

[slim bramble]

It’s also the only one publicly available

[sonic totem]

Lmfao

I love recfg too

[faint timber]

you clearly don't know how to use google dorks on github

[slim bramble]

They’re all based on hikari

Unless I missed something

[faint timber]

may be but you might find a few custom implementations

[slim bramble]

Lemme guess, some random ollvmxx

[faint timber]

idk just need to be more creative

[sonic totem]

@faint timber the random DCS strings that are sometimes left in older iBoot versions >

[robust radish]

finesse the src

[river storm]

ye

But I need to know how to do it

That’s why I’m looking for someone who understands

I need an iOS dev to obfuscation or protection a dylib file.

[reef trail]

make things look like they do something else when they don't

[river storm]

wtf

[reef trail]

that is literally what obfuscation means

hiding what something does

[floral notch]

cycript is cooked right?

[robust radish]

I still use it

nothing comes near replacing it imo

https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/cycript-wrapper

I’d make a deb for it but Saurik would probably yell at me

[floral notch]

i have something that can replace it

[robust radish]

lua is not replacing it

[floral notch]

but since cycript still works im less incentivized to ship it

[robust radish]

is it lua

[floral notch]

yalready know

[robust radish]

lol

[floral notch]

my god its AGPL...

i wanted to check if it used libffi but i dont wanna read the source anymore

[robust radish]

yes it does use libffi

it’s src is an actual nightmare

[floral notch]

oh ok interesting. i wonder if hes using the one in dyld_shared_cache or he vendorized it

yeah i feel like thats par for the course lol

[robust radish]

It’s a submodule iirc

half of modules are dead repos now

compiling it requires a version of bison from like 2003

The last person to make big improvements to the project got shitted on by Saurik for it (Frida dude)

[floral notch]

oh yeah i remember that

[robust radish]

be a decent person

[floral notch]

yep lol

[robust radish]

essential reading https://github.com/nowsecure/frida-cycript/issues/2

[floral notch]

if he vendorized it, then whoever is bold enough to make changes, should use the one in dyld_shared_cache, its special cased to work really well with iOS and i think it would fix trampolines breaking, if they're broken

and it would fix some issues in dopamine

i hope saurik is doing better now

[robust radish]

last I heard about him was a few years ago, someone we know met up with him at UCLA for lunch. said he was doing well

completely unrelated, but i recently found a clone of the OG substrate repo from around 2015 with all the tags still included. afaik your mirror repo has been the only "current" one forever, but it lacks tags

[floral notch]

oh nice

i can fix that rq you have it up somewhere?

[robust radish]

im on the wrong laptop rn but ill find it this weekend

[harsh junco]

Don’t worry, cycsript is agpl’d

https://git.saurik.com/cycript.git/blob/HEAD:/COPYING

[harsh junco]

Wtf

[robust radish]

the worst license ever

[indigo kraken]

lol I remember that

saurik took it way too personally lmao

[harsh junco]

*the best (after gpl2, of course)

I don’t see any cons

[robust radish]

saurik will saurik 🤣

I once texted him about a security issue on his website, and he thanked me. Then 20 mins later he texted back again like “just realized who this is… surprised you helped me, but please refrain from doing so again in the future”

[harsh junco]

actual what the fuck

[grim sparrow]

lmfao

[robust radish]

everyone has their opinions. I echo rr’s sentiment #development message

[harsh junco]

fair

[harsh junco]

Don’t theos sdks already have this though?

[robust radish]

cycript builds (an ancient) libffi directly, it doesn’t just link it. it would be a substantial change to the project to make it use the one in the dsc

and those changes are difficult because, to my knowledge, only 3 people have been able to compile that project in the last 10y

[harsh junco]

atp move the whole project to theos lol

[harsh junco]

interesting challenge

Accepted (?)

[robust radish]

please do

it’s grammar definition needs to be rewritten for modern bison versions

otherwise it needs to be compiled on an iOS 10 device

lately I’ve just been hacking at the binaries to coerce them to work on modern OSs

[harsh junco]

One more “ongoing side project” has been added to the “ongoing side projects heap of doom”

[robust radish]

relatable 😭

[floral notch]

better to just start from scratch imo

too much politics and licensing woes

[robust radish]

i'd do it when it finally stops working entirely

most recently i got it working on m1 simulator. choose() works too https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/simulator-trainer/blob/main/img/cycript.gif

[floral notch]

nice yea if i had that setup id feel the same

[robust radish]

the binaries are embedded in the repo https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/simulator-trainer/tree/main/simulator-trainer/Supporting Files/bootstrap

dont tell saurik

[floral notch]

nice, yea no need i already got my own repl now

[floral notch]

i dont want it to happen anymore yall can have cycript lol

[faint timber]

stop being anti-brazil

[robust radish]

lu(l)a

[harsh junco]

lua sux

(Imho)

Oh my god saurik vendors libuv

[robust radish]

some fun lore on the origins of CydiaSubstrate (saurik essay in the comments on this post) https://web.archive.org/web/20081217114619/http://ripdev.org/2008/12/pseudosubstrate.html

almost 20y old, thats crazy

0ptimo in the comments too. Im suprised BigBoss is still online

[harsh junco]

What makes you think he would care about dead 9 year old project that much?))

The probability of him even noticing a new cyscript-related project is low

[floral notch]

wow thanks for that link. interesting to see his writing when he still believed in the GNU dogma

[robust radish]

What makes you think he would care about dead 9 year old project
like, every interaction i've had with him

i think the reason its "dead" is because of that frida repo. some other drama is why substrate is not open source anymore. he's a petty dude

[harsh junco]

like, every interaction i've had with him
We will see

What’s up with the frida repo/dude?

[robust radish]

coolio made a clone of winterboard and saurik dedicated like 3 slides in a JBCon presentation to calling her out for stealing 😂 while she was in the audience

[harsh junco]

Bro this has to be the most absurd, absolute and post-(un)ironical ragebait in the jailbreak community history ever🤣

[robust radish]

dude, that doesn't even scratch the surface of unhinged Saurik posts

there used to be a bot that would reply to every saurik comment with a TLDR

[harsh junco]

I think I’ve seen it 🤣

[robust radish]

@lime pivot what's your favorite saurik crash out

[harsh junco]

Lmaooo

[river storm]

hi bro, you can see dm?

[harsh junco]

@robust radish is there any usecase for cyscript on macs

[harsh junco]

Just tell it here

[robust radish]

cycript, pronounced as ssssscript

[floral notch]

in saurik's defense he was getting trolled nonstop by 15 year olds and couldnt hang

[robust radish]

but yeah it’s great for dynamic instrumentation and exploration

[robust radish]

that’s a good point. he was like 40 yelling at 15year olds lol

[floral notch]

yea he was just from a different generation of the internet and had no clue how to deal with it lol

[robust radish]

the reason I got banned from jbc was because he didn’t understand “hoe” vs “hoeing”. He thought I called Britta a hoe

[harsh junco]

Wtf
I always pronounced it as “saiscript” 😆

[robust radish]

yeah everyone does. saurik is legit crazy

[river storm]

Can someone help me how to blur my dylib file? Or put a protection on it so that nothing is changed on it?

[harsh junco]

You could use hikari

But why really

[robust radish]

https://www.cycript.org/manual/

I pronounce "cycript" using a "geminate S" or "long S". The result sounds a little like a stereotypical serpent from a cartoon: "sssscript". I doubt anyone else will pronounce it like this, but I have my hopes. I also often use "cycript" as a verb with relation to automation of and injection into libraries and applications, which emphasizes its power as a scripting language.

oops didn't mean for that to be a reply

bro wants ppl hissing at him

freak

[harsh junco]

Given enough amount of time and autism passion , people will find way(s) around

[river storm]

I have a hacks store, and I sell my ipa file along with dylib c and I need to hide everything I have inside dylib so people don’t change the name of the menu or something like that

[harsh junco]

sell ipas? That’s illegal

[river storm]

lol

i sell hacking for games bro.

[robust radish]

dont waste time on that. as a technical exercise i will pop whatever you do and open source it

[harsh junco]

Sell tweaks

At least

[river storm]

lol

But only people who know a lot can do this, so I need to protect myself from not so smart people

People use ida pro or ghidra to modify, I need to protect myself from that.

[rocky oriole]

why

what is so important that it must not be reverse engineered

[robust radish]

if you statically obfuscate, people will just turn to dynamic instrumentation

using frida or objsee

[floral notch]

if you have to ask a public chat how to obfuscate something you're already cooked

[harsh junco]

non-smart people (like me) still could use ida + decompiler and more-or-less figure out your logic

[floral notch]

sudo will crack it in 5 minutes

am i allowed to mention that name in here

[robust radish]

hikari is the answer tho, others have said a few times

[robust radish]

ya

[rocky oriole]

fr

[river storm]

Bro, as I said I sell hacks for games, so it gives some money, people don’t have that and want crack, to use for free or post for free, you know?

I know it can be broken by someone who understands reverse engineering or something like that, but I just want to make it more difficult.

[harsh junco]

Objsee is based, thank you for making it!
where can I donate?

[robust radish]

they don't need to understand how it works to redistribute it for free tho right

[river storm]

type this

you can help me?

[robust radish]

no i can't help, i hate obfuscation and DRM

obfuscation is motivation for me to RE something

[river storm]

lol

It doesn’t have to be a very strong one bro, something basic already helps me

[harsh junco]

Obfuscate strings with xor

[robust radish]

then use hikari

[harsh junco]

(hrtng already solves this)

[river storm]

what hikari

what this

i don’t know

sorry

[indigo kraken]

LMFAO

when you’re upset but lowkey thankful

you had him feeling conflicted 😪

[harsh junco]

This is fucked

I hate nodejs

[robust radish]

if this is for cycript, make sure you’re getting the right nodejs. The repo linked as a submodule has been retired, and iirc cloning it will actually get you a much newer version than is compatible with cycript. you have to hunt down the right one by commit and manually clone it

[robust radish]

Other than Tinder bypasses and VCams, has anyone seen tweak requests with unusually large bounties or that are technically difficult to make?

[floral notch]

idk if this counts but https://texts.com was hiring a tweak dev a few years back

[robust radish]

ah I’m not tryna get hired anywhere, just want some lunch break projects

[indigo kraken]

The largest I recall was Tanner posting one for 100 dollars, the request was for Safari and SafariViewController to share cookies, @chilly hedge got that one done in an afternoon

that was pretty cool - and fit the description of what you meant by technically difficult to make

[lime pivot]

that sucked big time because cycript legitimately was and still is the best debugging tool I've ever used

I set up an OS X 10.8 VM for some side project stuff I'm playing around with rn and god, I miss this

actually can't believe too that MacPorts still works on it, ancient packages of course, but that's more than can be said for brew

10.8/10.9 was the era where I was (trying to not beg) saurik to make substrate/cycript official on OS X. there was the "Cydia for Mac" that was floated as a concept around then, but never happened

that was also when tweak injection got as simple as, you just download EasySIMBL and tick a box. done. no admin prompt, no security modes to disable

SIMBL loaded pretty late tho. it was like hijacking an AppleScript plugin system or something

not like substrate where you're injecting before main()

[indigo kraken]

it’s also so fun

[robust radish]

the macOS tweak injection system that Alex Zielenski helped with was pretty good

[indigo kraken]

parasite

[lime pivot]

I miss that guy

[robust radish]

at OpenAI now

he was always a dick

but I loved ZKSwizzle so much

[lime pivot]

he was, but a good worth ethic lol

at one point we had a dream team working on a whole platform for macOS tweaks, I was just deeply unqualified to act as a leader of the team lmao

[hasty ruin]

zebra for mac

[native orbit]

saily mac

[lime pivot]

did you know Chariz was going to be a package manager

[robust radish]

wasn’t Chariz for Mac a real thing for a minute

[lime pivot]

yep

[robust radish]

that had to have been like 2015

[hasty ruin]

CPM

[lime pivot]

2015 me did not have project management skills

[indigo kraken]

I think you did pretty well lol

[lime pivot]

and everyone had their own idea of how it should work

hey I appreciate it

in fairness to it, it lost steam more because Alex and Mustafa got jobs, and SIP came in a little later and mildly doomed it

[timid furnace]

waiting for Siguza to show up here with some kind of JXA solution

[robust radish]

you can get cycript working on m1 Mac, just requires disabling all the security stuff

[lime pivot]

works with binaries patched for ios -> macosx?

that’s intriguing

I have a test MacBook I usually run with SIP and all off so I can do whatever I want

.NET just straight up doesn’t run when amfi is neutered so I keep having to toggle that

[robust radish]

yeah. I have it working on macOS, sim, and iOS. Mostly by hacking at the Machos. I can send you some stuff if you want

[lime pivot]

definitely interested

[robust radish]

there’s some ipc_… flag that fixes a bunch of stuff that breaks when amfi is off, like Chrome stuff

[lime pivot]

oh that might be it

[timid furnace]

there's still some Java bug though

[lime pivot]

I’m convinced it’s related to the JIT engine

[robust radish]

ipc_control_port_options=0

worth a try

[lime pivot]

ooh thanks, I’ll try in a bit

[wooden yarrow]

https://bugs.openjdk.org/browse/JDK-8326663 fr

[wooden yarrow]

I think this one only fixed electron apps

[lime pivot]

I legit made the 10.8 VM because it was easier to DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES into iTunes than to somehow inject into AMPDevicesAgent

cycript would make that very possible

[wooden yarrow]

do you know how to make USB passthrough work on old macOS vms btw

[lime pivot]

USB controller must be 2.0 not 3.0

[robust radish]

my go-to method for injecting into system stuff is to make a tmpfs mount over the original binary parent directory (which is usually read-only), then copy a version of the binary back into that mount with a load command inserted to my dylib

[lime pivot]

oh smart

[wooden yarrow]

still doesn't work with that unfortunately, maybe incompatibilities between m1 host and Intel guest?

[lime pivot]

so I guess that’s still a possible attack with SSV then

oh hm, hard to say unless it’s VMware

they had the most complete macOS Intel VM support

just no GPU driver which became more of an issue as time went on

[robust radish]

works especially well with simulator, which is more relaxed with codesigining. makes sim injection very easy

[lime pivot]

pre-10.10 you just didn’t get transparent menu bars/popups. 10.10 it started causing real bad screen tearing

[indigo kraken]

@lime pivot I have a patched copy of cycript for the m1 handy if you want it rn

totally forgot about it too lol

oh actually injecting doesn’t work so you might actually be better off waiting for Ethans

this was just the iOS version converted to macOS, there aren’t any actual patches

[river storm]

Hello guys, does anyone here understand obfuscation and encrypting codes?

[faint timber]

prerequesite is knowing how to re and how compilers work

[harsh junco]

Is Python/Ruby/Java-related functionality still useful? I wonder if I should remove that

[robust radish]

I would remove it, at least initially. complicates compilation and not that useful

[harsh junco]

True

[tepid olive]

That feeling when you make it organized instead of just throwing everything in content view and hoping it works

[slim bramble]

ShitUI :/

[tepid olive]

You haven’t even seen my UI

[harsh junco]

Did you know that there is a whole language named “Shit”?

[slim bramble]

Yeah looks trash cuz shitui

[tepid olive]

I’m adding you in the credits of my app and saying you made the UI

[slim bramble]

No thanks

[harsh junco]

suicide is looking more promising than ever

[slim bramble]

Fr

[tepid olive]

How is it shit

What should I change

[harsh junco]

Everything

Like literally redo everything from scratch

[tepid olive]

I did this was my first attempt 💀

[hollow oar]

[tepid olive]

I spent longer on the fake cluckinbell than the actually UI 😭

[robust radish]

if anyone is interested in how the internals of iOS app content rendering and input delivery works (frontboard, backboard, etc), I've documented my understanding of it here https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/ios-rendering-docs

[lime pivot]

I vaguely remember that lol

I really wish I were less emotional and more logical with him over the years, but I also just don't think he would have ever changed his mind on a lot of things

[tepid olive]

Saruik the goat

Not as good as pwn but still goated

[lime pivot]

thanks for the valuable insight

he really was onto a lot of good things, and I respected that he wanted things to be as correct as possible

but I just wasn't (honestly still don't think I am) a good communicator especially with conflicting opinions

[tepid olive]

You gotta work on that then being closed minded is a horrible characteristic, even if you don’t agree just hearing someone and seeing their approach can be beneficial to bounce ideas back

[lime pivot]

in my mind I want it to be about meeting halfway, but when I say it, it can come out poorly and seem just saying they're wrong and I'm right

[tepid olive]

Yea I get that especially if there’s certain aspects you think would work better with your approach, honestly it would just be beneficial to make two projects one were you meet half way and just doing what he thinks is best then you can compare and see

[lime pivot]

that happened in a few instances, he took offence to it every time

[tepid olive]

Then that’s more a his issue than yours idk the situation but it sounds you were open to compromise but he was just stuck in a mindset it’s my way or nothing

[lime pivot]

it reads like working against him not with him, and he saw no reason you should work against him. he has a long essay about why he felt that way

[robust radish]

anyways, how are you doing kirb

been a while

[tepid olive]

That’s a terrible way of thinking I’d rather have friends that challenge my way of thinking than nodding and agreeing

Nothings ever black and white there’s numerous ways to accomplish tasks and if you only do what you think is best and no one challenges you you’ll never improve

[lime pivot]

really has been

got way too much going on which you prob know is nothing new lmao

but all going great

work has been really rewarding, growing pretty quickly

where are you these days, still DT?

[lime pivot]

right, and I always tried to enter the conversation if I could bring something mutually beneficial to him, me, and the community

[tepid olive]

I feel that’s the reason jailbreaking died too many devs have this entitled feeling Pwn while talented was entitled from what people have said about him doesn’t sound like he was a team player CS was just a whinny drama filled bitch it was always a dick measuring contest of who had the best jailbreak when really they could’ve just worked together

[lime pivot]

as much as, like I said, there were some times I just ended up being emotional. which is not the approach that will convince someone that is a very logical thinker like him

which led to him not trusting me, and then not trusting me further because I worked with people who … honestly idk at this point, but I always felt they were way worse than me at keeping emotions out of it

not naming names, but @robust radish will know

[lime pivot]

I don't think I ever had a conversation with pwn where he wasn't extremely passive aggressive. he was just well known for being a jerk

star was like that too, but I could reason with her a lot more. pwn didn't want to engage with it at all

[robust radish]

borders what I want to discuss in public channels. perhaps that’s enough lore for now 😅

[indigo kraken]

Awesome. I’d retweet it if that were an option on github.

[lime pivot]

I already said too much. oh well

[robust radish]

jb has had a lot of drama though for sure

[tepid olive]

Not on lemins side he’s always been a great dev

[lime pivot]

guess I'm just disappointed things could have always been better than they were

[tepid olive]

Yea and now we have nothing all the devs either got paid off by Apple or rage quit

[elder scaffold]

iOS 11 was the worst

[tepid olive]

The iOS 13 zero day was the last peak moment we will ever experience

[robust radish]

LiberiOS was excellent

[lime pivot]

but I also guess it helps to know this is pretty common in all homebrew/jailbreak communities. not that it makes it any better. but it stings a bit less I spose

[elder scaffold]

qwerty was left, cs and saurik didn't cooperate, and pwn and cs had a falling out?

[tepid olive]

The switch homebrew community is the worst 💀 mfkers code in applications saying if your using fusegele it will lag because that’s a shit program made by a shit dev

[lime pivot]

man that's not their problem, let people figure out it's junk themselves. you don't need to break your own stuff and hurt your own reputation in the process

[tepid olive]

CS just too emotional got rage baited every day and quit JB 30 times before she actually left

[elder scaffold]

uh okay

[tepid olive]

Still waiting for lib hooker pro

[elder scaffold]

true

[tepid olive]

Wonder if apples ever gonna patch poster restore this shit should honestly just be a feature instead of having to use mica and learn that shit app

[harsh junco]

Bro I never thought that jb lore was that insanely deep

[lime pivot]

it goes extremely deep

[robust radish]

it would be an entertaining documentary

[tepid olive]

Not as entertaining as the MCmillions documentary that shit was crazy

The mafia rigged the McDonald’s monopoly game

[sonic totem]

Proud to have missed basically all of it

[harsh junco]

@lime pivot what’s with the frida and saurik? Did frida guy make improvements wrongly or what?

[lime pivot]

I don't remember the context, it's been so long

I think it was that they took a lot of the core of cycript and built something more extensive on top of it (frida itself)

he tried to use GPL as a reason why it's not ok, but there wasn't actually a GPL violation, it was all done correctly

so he changed it to AGPL

I probably have that very wrong, it's been a loooong time

at least it stayed open I guess. I tried to be an encouragement for him to keep working on cycript, and it felt like I did actually help him realise it's worth it a few times

we talked once about OS X code injection, and he showed me how cycript's build of cynject was better than substrate's (before substrate got updated)

and I used the TCP server mode embedded in the app I was working on around then, as my primary debugger

it was buggy, but I still loved it

[robust radish]

i think he was grumpy about his hooking system being replaced with frida

like he took it as an insult

[lime pivot]

oh I see

[robust radish]

(that’s just an opinion)

[lime pivot]

idk, people are just gonna take open source things and play with them in ways you weren't expecting. that's just how it is

[robust radish]

I agree. pressuring someone to rename a fork is wild

[lime pivot]

with Legacy Update I've both had people who hacked it up in ways that made no sense, stole my logo, etc, and people who did clever things I really respected

a blind guy found it better than the Windows 10 Settings app when using it with a screen reader, so he wrote a script to extract and force install it. that was awesome

[robust radish]

so much of my code is packaged up in >$5 tweaks/apps. Just how it goes

[lime pivot]

and I had someone build a competitor that works a bit different and has features I don't. and I have features he doesn't. we're both chill, and hell, it was random people who wanted to make out that there was some drama between us

we're good friends and we help each other out with stuff

[gentle grove]

did you see the saga of the guy forking krum's void installer to add support for incorrectly installing on btrfs

[lime pivot]

some of it

[lime pivot]

and one of the freedoms built into GPL is your right to do what you want with the code (provided you do it fairly). you have to be ok with that meaning sometimes someone does something dumb/rude

it's just not something you can control the outcome of, and that's the point

[open fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/closed-source-open-source-foss-github-code-gif-26506919

[slim bramble]

@faint timber I've come to the incredible conclusion that hikari is indeed trash

[hollow oriole]

managed to recreate ios 15 lock screen on ios 16

[thorn ether]

Does anyone know how Snowboard does "Force Refresh". Like can I do it via terminal?

[harsh junco]

uicache -arf if i had to guess
all respring force

[thorn ether]

snowboards button doesn't respring though and uicache -af isn't it as well.

also wtf uicache -f reset all my notification settings

[visual meadow]

Yes please mr beast give me money

[west raft]

how?

[hollow oriole]

by modyfing posterboard

[hollow oriole]

Its still WiP, im trying to make it as much simillar as possible

im planning to add live wallpapers back

[west raft]

yayay thank you

[indigo peak]

https://github.com/NightwindDev/old-lockscreen

[hollow oriole]

This is a poorly made version, im currently working on a new one, which is a lot better

[radiant idol]

I would recommend you to look into making the font size adaptive. I just hardcoded them in my implementation but that configuration might not look perfect on different displays

[hollow oriole]

well thats what im trying to do, also here's a comparison between your version and mine on an iPhone 11, you can see it already looks a lot better and the fonts are perfectly scaled for iphone 11. Of course, i still want to make it work perfectly on more iphones, but ill need to test it on more iphones first, im also planning on adding live wallpapers as i said before.

[radiant idol]

Gotcha, cool

I see what you mean by my version not looking great on your end

[gentle grove]

:is(
  .page-metadata-section:is(.categories, .tags, .series),
  .page-metadata-item.authors
) > a:not(:last-child):after {

rate my new css rule

[harsh junco]

Since when cyscript was a ** disassembler** lol

[robust radish]

it used to have a server component called cyrver 💀

apparently it works on NeXT (going off this commit message) 😱 https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/cycript/commit/b5dd57dc1e068c730142fb1007ce6c43a6ef7090#diff-7b3a3b05c593bbe13eee8794acd0decdc856060ac1dd14189467540a8b44a111

[harsh junco]

“Used to”?
Server.cpp is still present, and in theory might work 💀

I need to check that

[wooden yarrow]

oh

[robust radish]

it builds into libcycript — there’s still a client/server architecture. it was just previously more like an oracle. like frida-server, which calls itself a server and injects another server into traced processes, but it calls that an agent instead of a server (incorrectly)

[indigo kraken]

I was looking at the release assets for Cydia Impactor earlier today just out of curiosity and Cydia Extender was apparently built to support iOS 2.0 lol

from the info plist

{
    "CFBundleName": "Extender.VPN",
    "DTXcode": "0462",
    "NSHumanReadableCopyright": "Copyright © 2018 Jay Freeman (saurik). All rights reserved.",
    "DTSDKName": "iphoneos2.0.saurik",
    "DTSDKBuild": "12D75",
    "CFBundleDevelopmentRegion": "en",
    "CFBundleVersion": "1643275645",
    "BuildMachineOSBuild": "11G63",
    "CFBundlePackageType": "XPC!",
    "CFBundleShortVersionString": "0.9.56",
    "SBUsesNetwork": 0xb,
    "CFBundleInfoDictionaryVersion": "6.0",
    "CFBundleExecutable": "Extender.VPN",
    "DTCompiler": "",
    "MinimumOSVersion": "2.0",

“iphoneos2.0.saurik”

[harsh junco]

@robust radish sorry for constant pinging
Can i use dylib_injector.m to try fix cycript’s injector? There’s no license, hence why im asking

[robust radish]

what repo is that in?

[harsh junco]

cycript-wrapper

[robust radish]

GPL’d

[harsh junco]

O
Thanks 🙏

[robust radish]

(I just did it). I always forget to add a license to stuff

[sacred cosmos]

hey is there any documentation on the checkm8 vulnerability

I wanna take my own shot at implementing it

aside from just palera1n source

[sonic totem]

palera1n source doesn’t contain checkm8 exploit

Try this https://alfiecg.uk/2023/07/21/A-comprehensive-write-up-of-the-checkm8-BootROM-exploit.html

[visual meadow]

any good alternatives lol

[indigo peak]

its not the best but you can use mine: https://headers.dfiore.xyz

[visual meadow]

alr ty

[floral notch]

i forgot it was a custom programming language... another reason to start from scratch

i dont know why you would need node either, isnt JavascriptCore enough?

AFAIK he removed readline as a dependency and started to implement that from scratch

ya https://github.com/nowsecure/frida-cycript/issues/2#issuecomment-714144041

But, I digress: the point here is that I am not bound to the AGPL on my own code; I am bound to the GPL on my old released versions due to linking against readline, but I even removed readline--which happens to be developed by a coworker of mine, so this was awkward--from later, "internal" versions I gift to close friends occasionally, for complete compliance.)

i dont even think what he's saying there is true

https://github.com/lua/lua/blob/v5.4/makefile#L72-L75

^ that uses readline as an optional dependency and is MIT licensed

[robust radish]

its licensing nuances are beyond my interest

[floral notch]

yeah i digress. i just avoid GPL, keeps things simple

point is it would be a nightmare to keep cycript going

[robust radish]

I don’t plan to stop using it

[floral notch]

i just realized i subconsciously said "i digress" because i read that in sauriks comment

[robust radish]

spoke his name too many times, now you’re absorbing his language. the cycurse

[floral notch]

pls notice me saurik senpai

[robust radish]

cynpai

[harsh junco]

cyrik

[robust radish]

prolly his alt

[harsh junco]

Or add lua support and don’t use uhh …cy script(?)
()

[harsh junco]

It’s needed for libcycript.db, for whatever reasons (why a database is even necessary in the first place?)

[robust radish]

for symbol/class tab completion performance iirc

[harsh junco]

node modules are inserted into libcycript.db, content of which is used with JSEvaluate for javascript things
))

[floral notch]

i see. it looks like its an easy way to embed 3rd party libraries if one desires. do npm install or yarn install on your dev machine, and the cycript build system embeds all those into libcycript.db, so you dont need to install node on iOS

"Node.js Core Libraries" https://www.cycript.org/manual/#7feda59e-6646-4ca5-a05b-aec241d39375

nice feature i suppose

i guess maybe there was a vision where nodejs would be fully embedded into cycript itself so you would have access to all the node libraries AND the objc runtime in the same language

but he already based it on JavaScriptCore, so he did it like that so he could try it out without doing a huge refactor

pure speculation on my part

[gentle grove]

deno users:

[native dune]

bun goated

[gentle grove]

bun is buns

[tepid olive]

I wanna make a documentary would any one be interested in interviewing over zoom about the jailbreak history

I won’t be paying you but I will be charging others to watch the documentary

[gentle grove]

I won’t be paying you but I will be charging others to watch the documentary

[hollow oar]

I won’t be paying you but I will be charging others to watch the documentary

[acoustic imp]

I won’t be paying you but I will be charging others to watch the documentary

[quaint rain]

I won’t be paying you but I will be charging others to watch the documentary

[light owl]

I won’t be paying you but I will be charging others to watch the documentary

[thorn ether]

not paying ppl thats helping u make the documentary but will charge people to watch the documentary?

[gentle grove]

That guy is the resident clown so don't worry

[lime pivot]

I think I might have asked him at some point, or someone else asked, but he could have used BSD libreadline

he didn't want to have something inferior to GNU readline though

[warped sky]

is limneos down? https://developer.limneos.net/
it asks me to sign in

[lime pivot]

I can appreciate that he wanted things to be good to prove a point though. like he wanted to have the GNU versions of everything because they just were better, and he felt the values of the GPL are important for showing Apple can do better

[lime pivot]

I'd assume that too

these days, it could be ported on top of bun, which uses JSC

but bun is very recent

[tepid olive]

It’s called humor maybe take the stick out of your ass and laugh sometime

[gentle grove]

do we have different definitions of clown

[tepid olive]

Nah that’s my bad

[gentle grove]

this dude thinks a clown has a stone cold, humorless stare

[acoustic imp]

its been liek this for a bit, probly gona stay like that

u can use fiores headers site tho https://headers.dfiore.xyz/

[warped sky]

ah

[pearl sail]

gen alpha moment

[warped sky]

fiores headers works but its even slower than limneos

[acoustic imp]

@indigo peak

[robust radish]

talking about it in the theos server, but I’ll pay someone to build the ideal header site

[timid furnace]

make a list of requirements

[slim bramble]

Can’t wait for all versions starting at 10.x requirement

💀

3 versions are 15gb or so

[robust radish]

it’s gonna be over 2TB of static files (all iOS versions, headers as well as another type of dump which is much larger). I’ll post full requirements in a bit

keyword searching static files don’t scale, so some high perf backing db is necessary

[timid furnace]

i'm in theos server so you can ping me there as well if you want

[slim bramble]

I’m interested too (solely in the requirements)

Ping me

[hexed knot]

Jynx

[rocky oriole]

Jynx

[acoustic imp]

Zynx

[thorn ether]

Lynx

[marsh ocean]

Pynx

[rocky oriole]

Wynx

[floral notch]

unfortunately theres no bun port in procrusus. at least there's node in there but they didnt get around to doing rootless. probably best to just stick to JSC would be way less complicated

but what do i know maybe bun is easier to port

[harsh junco]

One more “ongoing side project” has been added to the “ongoing side projects heap of doom”

[floral notch]

the js objc bridge will be a nightmare

if you have to write that part in C its over

oh ya its over this is the only js ffi and it only supports linux

https://github.com/ratboy666/qjs-ffi

mJS has ffi too but its GPL gg

[robust radish]

did you get cycript compiling?

[harsh junco]

im working on it, currently fixing some saurik's c++ code

[robust radish]

lets see if this gets DMCA'd https://github.com/EthanArbuckle/iPhone17-1_18.2_22C152_Restore

[acoustic imp]

poluting gh search even more 🔥

[orchid fulcrum]

real

[tepid olive]

Can’t say that one in public bro 😭

[hoary lion]

💀

[indigo kraken]

did that last one get DMCA’d?

[robust radish]

no i haven't gotten one

[frank fossil]

hold on am I allowed to distribute LiveExec32 with public ramdisk binaries

[robust radish]

Idk if they’d be cool with redistributing binaries. I’m hoping these derivative side effects of binaries are safely in the grey area

pull a Spire and have LiveExec download the ramdisk during install

(spire brought Siri to iPhone4 by downloading a dyld cache for an iPhone 4S from apple cdn in its postinst). Or something like that

💀 https://github.com/Cannathea/afc2d-arm64/blob/master/extrainst.mm#L33-L41

[robust radish]

you can tell this was largely copied from saurik's OG afcd2 package, because literally no one else write objc code like this NSHTTPURLResponse *response(nil);

[harsh junco]

This is objc++
bur literally no one does type var(val); in c++ either

[robust radish]

nah that's just saurk's weird style

i've never seen it elsewhere. here's where they copied it from https://git.saurik.com/afc2d.git/blob/HEAD:/extrainst.mm#l31

[vivid dew]

based boomer code

[frank fossil]

I wanted to make LiveExec32 jailed (I have a working build for iOS 18), so doing ramdisk would need to include binaries of lots of stuff

[hexed knot]

😂😂

[acoustic imp]

u should try putting it on the appstore /s

[robust radish]

jailbreaks have made it onto the AppStore before

Charlie miller caught a lifetime ban for that

[indigo kraken]

one dev was just like f*ck it and added the bin to the deb lol https://github.com/Cannathea/afc2d-arm64/compare/master...Lessica:afc2d-arm64:master

[robust radish]

idk why they even need a different afcd binary. that seems unnecessary

[indigo kraken]

the problem is that the stock version of afcd can only execute as mobile, the internal version (the one was accidentally distributed) can execute as root as well

[robust radish]

there’s some function you can hook and then run it as root

[indigo kraken]

AFCServerContextSetRootPath

it sets the path successfully but everything is still executed as mobile

[thorn ether]

@indigo kraken https://github.com/dlevi309/carplay-cast/tree/ios15 hey were you able to compile this tweak for iOS 15? I tried compiling it but I'm getting errors

[indigo kraken]

no it’s broken I just wanted to compile the latest from actions

[thorn ether]

ah okok

[lime pivot]

not sure about that, just harder to detect ig

in theory it's supposed to all compile back to working binaries, just not signed

[harsh junco]

There is libRosetta LOL
I wonder if someone has tried getting rosetta running on ios

@frank fossil i assume you already tried doing this?

I should try this someday

One more “ongoing side project” has been added to the “ongoing side projects heap of doom”

[frank fossil]

There are some Rosetta codepath in the XNU kernel iirc so I assumed it wouldn’t work (how does Rosetta work on Linux VM though?)

I also deleted all 7GB of x86 shared caches so I can’t try it rn

[native dune]

there's a GitHub repo that has an action to patch Rosetta to work on Linux

[acoustic imp]

Does it work?

[native dune]

on a certain kernel page size

I forgot

[magic hazel]

why does limneos require me to sign in

[magic hazel]

Anyone know how to modify the frame buffer on iOS 3

[tepid olive]

iOS 3

💀

[magic hazel]

Yes, iOS 3

Realistically it should be the same for most of iOS

[grim sparrow]

why-

are you seriously suggesting that apple hasn't changed the frame buffer rendering in the past 16 years??

[magic hazel]

Well I am suggesting the core apis behind it probably havent changed and thats really all I need to know

I'm sure the methods have changed

[grim sparrow]

https://github.com/Billy-Ellis/framebuffer_write

heres ur answer though

[magic hazel]

ios 7 that should work

ugh

but i need an image overlay

i need something to at least look like it's lowering the gamma

since one of my touch 1's displays is washed out a bit

[grim sparrow]

the tldr is you need to get the offsets of the frame buffer for ur specific devicve

although you could write an offset finder

[magic hazel]

I certainly won't be attempting that my C is not very good

[grim sparrow]

why dont you just hook frontboard

the process that draws applications windows

its the ios equivalent of windowserver

[magic hazel]

If it were that simple why does this dude go through hell and back trying to find his offset

[grim sparrow]

because he actually wants to write to the kernel frame buffer...

to do what checkra1n does

[magic hazel]

fair enough

[grim sparrow]

if you just want to overlay an image just do that in userspace

[magic hazel]

well yes i wanted to do that but the header website is.. broken?

idk its asking for a sign in

[grim sparrow]

yeah limneos has been down for eons

[magic hazel]

well that sucks, that was the only place for me to find ios 3 headers

[grim sparrow]

you can dump it from Xcode 3

[magic hazel]

...

[grim sparrow]

or an ipsw

https://github.com/theos/sdks/blob/master/tools/create_patched_sdk.sh

[magic hazel]

the latter is more doable except that my only mac machine currently is a terrible hackintosh laptop and i would rather not try and go swimming through thousands of useless headers to try and attempt to find the right one just to overlay an image of a slightly opaque black 320x480 image

[grim sparrow]

I mean

these processes are incredibly well documented

[magic hazel]

What, dumping headers or the frontboard

[grim sparrow]

no, how all these processes work

why are you trying to overlay this image anyway, whats the goal here

[magic hazel]

I mean I haven't stumbled upon any documentation on iOS 3 frontboard methods or really anything at all to do with iOS 3 tweak development to begin with but if there is somewhere that contains that I would be very happy to read it

[grim sparrow]

and why ios 3

[magic hazel]

To fix the washed out appearance of my screen

Because it's an iPod touch 1

And while I would like to just "adjust a gamma knob" iOS 3 of course, does not have one, nor does there exist a single tweak that adds any easy ability to modify the framebuffer in such a fashion

Hence the overlay of a slightly opaque black image to give the same impression

[grim sparrow]

https://github.com/thomasfinch/GammaThingy

just backport this

instead of reinventing the wheel

or https://justgetflux.com/ios.html

[magic hazel]

Not for iOS 3 as far as i can see

[magic hazel]

Yeah no that's far beyond me I've already taken a look at that and I still have no idea what it does to accomplish it's goals

I mean i can read the ui and logic but i'm not able to understand the gammacontroller file to any extent

[grim sparrow]

are you sure f.lux wont

it has in teh changelogs added support for iPhone 3g, which shipped with ios 2

[magic hazel]

It won't work from cydia

and I haven't found any archive of older versions

[grim sparrow]

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/kernel/ioframebuffer/1813739-setgammatable

there you go

[magic hazel]

Not great with kernel level stuff but ill have a look

[grim sparrow]

I just put f.lux in ida and its demistified most of it

[magic hazel]

in what?

[reef trail]

ida

a reverse engineering tool

disassembler

[magic hazel]

oh okay

[grim sparrow]

there you go

[magic hazel]

Err

tf am i a looking at lmao it looks exactly how i'd imagine decompiled objective c to look, in fact, it looks more like c in that form that obj c, i've never been very good at following decompiled code, especially when that code is refering kernel level methods

ill see if i can see anything useful

[magic hazel]

the same file but 3kb bigger?

[grim sparrow]

improved

I added the 32bit sdk

[magic hazel]

lmao

[grim sparrow]

thats the c++ code you need to do exactly what you want

(its the decompilation of fluxd ios 5)

and considering the method it calls have existed since like ios -7 you should be good

[magic hazel]

i'm sure that's useful to someone who's much more experienced than i in reading that kind of code i'm still not great with obj c to begin with let alone able to read and interpret kernel level decompiled obj c but ill do my best

[grim sparrow]

thats userspace code

that runs in userspace and calls kernel apis

that are incredibly well documented

[magic hazel]

what i'm saying is i can't read it lmao or rather i can't read most of it

[grim sparrow]

post on TweakBounty, someone will do it for you

[magic hazel]

Nah i'll try and figure it out

why are there so many magic numbers with basic algebra

where is the logic

[grim sparrow]

WakeAndSetTable?

cmd f for IOMobileFramebufferSetGammaTable IOMobileFramebufferGetGammaTable etc

[magic hazel]

mmm yeah no idk what to do with those methods and this is kinda beyond my skill level rn im more versed in c# and swift and was hoping it would be pretty quick, oh and by the way, the minimum to request a tweak from that subreddit is $10 iirc which is way too much for such a basic tweak

but yes

i can see those

[grim sparrow]

yeah the problem you got there is i believe swift wasn't possible until iOS 7

and Swift 1.0 is soooooooooo different to Swift 6 its basically a new language

[magic hazel]

ios 8

and yeah

[grim sparrow]

well yes but technically no

the swift 1 beta could backdeploy a fair bit

Xcode 6 beta 1 could back deploy to ios 6 but that build is lost to history

Xcode 6A215l

[magic hazel]

now im looking for that beta for no particular reason except it'd be cool

https://www.betaarchive.com/database/view_release.php?uuid=b981adc3-5e7b-4a5e-9739-e8c751f8ec20

lmao

[grim sparrow]

getting dl access is a pia

you can only download if you've uploaded stuff from the past

[magic hazel]

well sure

[magic hazel]

but it's still archived

[grim sparrow]

yeah

its jsut

i dont know anybody who has been able to play wqith it

:(

[magic hazel]

Yeah no alr now i have to find something worth archiving

i feel like i don't actually have anything

Then again, I could actually just archive my own software

But it's digital

Grr

What a shitty website honestly

How is it helping archive fuckall

Ykw i'm tempted to go out and buy something specifically so i can completely clone the archive and host it on archive

Like that's actually such a shitty thing to do

[grim sparrow]

I tried that and they told me no

lol

[thorn ether]

Is there a way to disable jetsam crashlogs?

[slim bramble]

@thin valley may you snipe

🙏

[faint lion]

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[exotic spire]

Lol

[slim bramble]

Can one of you send it

[thin valley]

I can resend if its DMd to me