development

[river torrent]

but i restarted springboard

and still same issue

libgraphite.dylib -> /var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/.jbroot-793CB7F087DD7A22/var/mobile/Library/pkgmirror/usr/lib/libgraphite.dylib*

Wooo:/var/lib mobile% file /var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/.jbroot-793CB7F087DD7A22/var/mobile/Library/pkgmirror/usr/lib/libgraphite.dylib
/var/mobile/Containers/Shared/AppGroup/.jbroot-793CB7F087DD7A22/var/mobile/Library/pkgmirror/usr/lib/libgraphite.dylib: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures: [\012- arm64:\012- Mach-O 64-bit arm64 dynamically linked shared library, flags:<NOUNDEFS|DYLDLINK|TWOLEVEL|NO_REEXPORTED_DYLIBS>] [\012- arm64e (caps: 0x2):\012- Mach-O 64-bit arm64e (caps: PAC00) dynamically linked shared library, flags:<NOUNDEFS|DYLDLINK|TWOLEVEL|NO_REEXPORTED_DYLIBS>]

there's no shell formatting in discord bruh

[gentle grove]

so it asks for ld-linux to interpret the program

An executable file that participates in dynamic linking shall have one PT_INTERP program header element. During exec(BA_OS), the system retrieves a path name from the PT_INTERP segment and creates the initial process image from the interpreter file's segments. That is, instead of using the original executable file's segment images, the system composes a memory image for the interpreter. It then is the interpreter's responsibility to receive control from the system and provide an environment for the application program.

[river torrent]

I would use roothide patcher but it doesn't change that specific directory - for some reason

but yeah i tried making the symlink yesterday

but same issue

thought i'd try it again incase i did anything wrong

yep ive respringed

disabled it in icleaner & re-enabled it too

still exists

sandbox maybe?

i converted the tweak with roothide patcher

LendMyPhone tweak

wdym

uh

how can i check

i didn't make the tweak

[gentle grove]

the stupidest thing is how ldd is the de facto way to see what libraries an executable uses @grave sparrow

[river torrent]

mhm

oh

hmm

[gentle grove]

ldd is literally just a script that sets LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 and executes the program

sometimes people run ldd on malware

[river torrent]

well it still says /var/lib/libgraphite.dylib (no such file)

so it doesn't see the file

tho it does exist

alr

run it inside the PreferenceBundles directory?

alr

LendMyPhone.dylib (architecture arm64):
LendMyPhone.bundle/LendMyPhone (architecture arm64):

both are the same

check libgraphite dylib too?

libgraphite.dylib (architecture arm64):

alr ill give u a sec

Architectures in the fat file: libgraphite.dylib are: arm64 arm64e

lipo -info

alr

ill send in a sec

[gentle grove]

you should switch to windows

[river torrent]

mhm

bruhh

idk cuz for me

roothide been great

all apps work

what if i reboot device

wouldn't that break symlink

or does roothide auto update

Alr

so that's the better way of changing it

rather than using hex fiend

cuz that's what i tried doing basically

alr gotchu

alr cya

alr

[gentle grove]

should i sleep @grave sparrow

[manic forum]

bro pinged a plane

[wooden yarrow]

why is it specifically emirates

[manic forum]

because

[placid kraken]

insertion sort

[slim bramble]

same

[cloud yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-csi-miami-glasses-sunglasses-horatio-caine-gif-14033607

[pearl sail]

creating race condition in your shitty codebase does not make you a racist

you stupid ch-

[slim bramble]

Aaron doesn't enjoy people calling other people slurs

😔

yeah

can be overwhelming

[pearl sail]

unfortunately Aaron wishes death upon me

all my slurs for Aaron would be considered antisemitic

[slim bramble]

😔

[grand tide]

@warped sky is afsoon compatible with lastlook and jellyfish reborn and is there a list for compatible tweaks

[cedar stag]

iPhone:~ mobile% tsschecker 
dyld[3108]: symbol not found in flat namespace (_assure)
zsh: abort      tsschecker
iPhone:~ mobile% which tsschecker
/var/jb/usr/bin/tsschecker
iPhone:~ mobile% 

procursus bros help me

can anyone else try to download and run tsschecker from procursus repo on a rootless device?

[rose quiver]

zefram malware

[slim bramble]

😔

[lusty jacinth]

interesting getting this too

[cloud yacht]

theortically, if I had a dylib for arm macs, could I use it for iOS and inject it into an app?

[gentle grove]

i cant imagine why not as long as the arch matches

[cloud yacht]

okay. How would I get it loaded? I tried adding it to my mobile substraigh dynamic libraries path but it doesnt' seem to load (no side effects and flex doesn't find it in the runtime browser). Is there a better way to load it (it's not a mobile sutraight tweak)/can I launch the app from the command line so I can use DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES?

ok I tried doing something and well I have an erorr now

dyld[3287]: terminating because inserted dylib '/var/jb/Library/MobileSubstrate/DynamicLibraries/liblovely.dylib' could not be loaded: tried: '/var/jb/Library/MobileSubstrate/DynamicLibraries/liblovely.dylib' (mach-o file (/var/jb/Library/MobileSubstrate/DynamicLibraries/liblovely.dylib), but incompatible platform (have 'macOS', need 'iOS')), '/usr/local/lib/liblovely.dylib' (no such file), '/usr/lib/liblovely.dylib' (no such file), '/private/preboot/B9654BA9855D9325DCE984085854C8291933529F2A25DF3EE21028F7F5587FF848729D1B97DE9A2382A7B510582584B6/dopamine-yfgKQk/procursus/usr/lib/TweakInject/liblovely.dylib' (mach-o file (/private/preboot/B9654BA9855D9325DCE984085854C8291933529F2A25DF3EE21028F7F5587FF848729D1B97DE9A2382A7B510582584B6/dopamine-yfgKQk/procursus/usr/lib/TweakInject/liblovely.dylib), but incompatible platform (have 'macOS', need 'iOS')), '/usr/local/lib/liblovely.dylib' (no such file), '/usr/lib/liblovely.dylib' (no such file)

so I take it I need to recompile it for iOS

thats going to be annoying

as it's a rust project

[gentle grove]

i guess that makes sense

[gentle grove]

cross-rs might work if just installing the target isnt enough

[cloud yacht]

I'm currently following this https://mozilla.github.io/firefox-browser-architecture/experiments/2017-09-06-rust-on-ios.html

[gentle grove]

cross-rs is docker based iirc but it literally just works

or wait no not docker

it uses zig

[cloud yacht]

okay I'll check it out

I might just be able to build with an iOS target

[gentle grove]

every time ive used it to cross compile it just worked with a single command

[gentle grove]

that would be ideal for simplicity

[cloud yacht]

anwyays I now wait for rust to compile on a 13 year odl cpu

although I wonder if I could just build it from my laptop instead of my mac

[warped sky]

It works with everything, only with lastlook it stays on ig.

[gentle grove]

how is your cpu older than mine

is that ivy bridge

wait no

[cloud yacht]

uhh idk

[gentle grove]

ivy bridge is third so thats newer than the one i have

[cloud yacht]

it's an early 2011 macbook pro

[gentle grove]

the one i have on one pc is i5-2310

[grand tide]

wdym? afsoon keeps playing instead of lastlook turning off the screen?

[warped sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1221670356381601902/1282230348813438986/RPReplay_Final1725777845.mov?ex=6706cf51&is=67057dd1&hm=dedc4272bbac112fc127248de31c21095486996d56e878bf3e8aa6a0d5171491&

if the animation mode is infinite it keeps playing, but if a timed mode is selected it stops

Lastlook runs at 9:00 in the video

[grand tide]

nice theme if thats your phone

what do you use for the homescreen battery, wifi, etc. and date in the top left

and u have ios 18 cc?

[grand tide]

oh ok so i could still make it work

thank you

just have been thinking about getting it

already have reo and it's nice

[warped sky]

Yeah! Its from @fickle plank

[warped sky]

[grand tide]

asked all the questions to the wrong guy then lol

i'll ask aem tmrw when they're on

[warped sky]

😂

[grand tide]

my whole theme looks like a mess compared to that

i wish all tweaks were just on havoc and chariz so i don't have to start with all the patreon stuff

alr see ya thanks for the help

[warped sky]

Fr fr

Np mate

[cloud yacht]

ok so I'm trying to get https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector working on iOS. it injects into the lua runtime see me. this works on macOS but not iOS. I hooked a debugger and can confirm the code is being run and initalizing but the hooekd code is just not running. tried getting the dev to help me but he's not sure what's going on

Could I maybe change this to use mobile substraight (cursed rust using mobile substraight incoming)

[cloud yacht]

as a bit of a sanity check, I tried making a tweak that just hooks what I want for testing
Ignoring the fact that I cast the one thing as a void pointer, this is the code I have

#include <UIKit/UIKit.h>
// int (luaL_loadbuffer) (lua_State *L, const char *buff, size_t sz,

%hookf(int, luaL_loadbuffer, void *L, const char *buff, size_t sz) {
    NSLog(@"luaL_loadbuffer called with buffer: %s", buff);
    return %orig;
}
%ctor {
    %init(luaL_loadbuffer = MSFindSymbol(NULL, "luaL_loadbuffer"));
}

However, this fails to find the symbol

For reference I'm hooking a love2D app https://love2d.org/

(ipa I'm using for testing)

[radiant idol]

Try _luaL_loadbuffer as the symbol name instead

[cloud yacht]

That seems to work

ok so now the question is how do I get rust land to work now

[gentle grove]

whats happening

[slim bramble]

You don’t

[cloud yacht]

#development message

[gentle grove]

ok actually i might have to look tomorrow

switch to linux

[cloud yacht]

oh I think I see why this doesn't find the binaries as is

[fickle plank]

Thanks. And lockscreen tweak is Diary from litten dev

[cloud yacht]

in another part of the code, it does this rs pub static LUA_LIB: Lazy<Library> = Lazy::new(|| unsafe { Library::new("../Frameworks/Lua.framework/Versions/A/Lua").unwrap() }); I copied this as is for iOS but I relize this is in the .app fior the mac build but not iOS

[cloud yacht]

I tried pointing this to just the executable but it doesn't seem to work, so I guess theres something else to it

imma head to bed

[cloud yacht]

If you do take a look, I pushed my changes here https://github.com/WilsontheWolf/lovely-injector/tree/ios
Probably you would want to see if you can figure out how to make this work https://github.com/WilsontheWolf/lovely-injector/blob/ios/crates/lovely-core/src/sys.rs#L28
Can build it cargo build --target aarch64-apple-ios --package lovely-mac && ldid -S ./target/aarch64-apple-ios/debug/liblovely.dylib
put it in your mobilesubstraight libraries folder, stick this as your liblovely.plist { Filter = { Executables = ( "love" ); }; }

[reef trail]

is this rust, loading lua, for ios..?

[cloud yacht]

well it's modifting lua

but yes

[reef trail]

modifying how? just using the runtime for some sort of scripting

[cloud yacht]

It hooks runtime functions and can apply patches onto them

imma be honest I don't really understand most of the code for lovely

[cedar stag]

fixed it by replacing the procursus libfragmentzip with bingner

tihm has a macro defined for assure which I guess is missing on procursus one

https://github.com/tihmstar/jssy/blob/6de3dc6b853d9338b971c1bea0c41465276e640a/jssy/jssy_create.c#L33

[cedar stag]

@marble perch might wanna check this some time

[grand tide]

what about the date in the top left, ui theme, and funny weather notifs (also cc)

also thanks

[marble perch]

I havent been involved with proc for years

Talk to nick chan

[cedar stag]

Oh sorry about that

[marble perch]

All good G

[cedar stag]

Will do thanks

[opal ridge]

Hi did someone talk about me

hmm that's quite weird that package hasn't been touched since forever

[wooden yarrow]

does ARM64 not have a popcnt insn??

is this why?? what is wrong with M1

[fickle plank]

Date in statusbar is “Lynx 2”
UI theme is “Limit” i converted to rootless.
Funny weather notifs from “Carrot” app itself. I use ipa version of it since it’s not available for me.
CC is “CoolCC” and “BetterCCXI”

And “Aestea Revived” for CC too

[grand tide]

thank you so much for all the names

i’ll have to check some out

[fickle plank]

You are welcome

Limit theme is probably from bigboss

Yes it is

[gentle grove]

what shall i set my hostname on my new framework laptop to

[grand tide]

i should’ve asked but what ios are you on because i’m having problems getting everything to work

you might have to send me some of the files

i’m on ios 16.2 btw

[pearl sail]

boba-framework

[torn oriole]

Dumbass

[cloud yacht]

Captinc

[gentle grove]

should i get rid of my zsh plugins

i am only using 2: powerlevel10k and zsh-completions

zsh-completions can be installed from system and i might be able to replace p10k with a custom prompt

[tepid olive]

you know what though, swift has the best C FFI system

Yeah because everything needs to be memory unsafe

Like a fucking cli tool to download an ipsw

C is good for medium and low level

Bahahaha

No

Fs not

C++ is if you took Java and C-ified it

And somehow it’s even more ass than Java

[tepid olive]

OOP has begun to piss me off after taking AP Comp Sci

[cloud yacht]

oh is that their new display?

[tepid olive]

no cuz it’s really easy

but it made me unappreciate oop more

[tepid olive]

damn the bezels thick af

[gentle grove]

Yeah

i have it set to the ungodly 1.875x scale because i think 2x is too big

2x looks normal but i dont like it

[gentle grove]

i dont know why youre even giving capt any attention

[placid kraken]

no that’s c#

microsoft java

[fickle plank]

iOS 15.4.1

[grand tide]

weird why it’s not working for me then do u have links to the .deb files or could you send me them for the cc stuff

sorry for all the questions btw

[gentle grove]

yeah i disagree

but capt is being stupid so i dont care

[tribal jewel]

Hi all, I'm currently trying to compile a tweak on-device and get it working. However even example tweak that injects into SpringBoard is causing a crash if I use any ObjC code (calling C functions like MSHookFunction is fine). I'm on iOS 16.0.1 iPhone 14 Pro. Crashlog attached. Note that this is really an example tweak that Theos creates in nic.pl (IIRC its number 21, a tweak with preferences). I beleive it's because of OldABI thing? In MachO header it says cpusubtype 2 caps 0x80, which, if I understand correctly, is new ABI, but docs say it's proprietary so it's old ABI in reality? But why it gets set to value like that?

[reef trail]

install [[oldabi]]

[faint lion]

allemande

iOS arm64e oldabi converter tool

Author

p0358

Version

1.0.0

Price

Free

Repo

p0358

Bundle ID

net.p0358.allemande

Powered by Canister · Oct 10, 2024, 3:16 PM

[reef trail]

from ellekit repo

[hasty ruin]

Legacy arm64e support*

[reef trail]

the bundle id is oldabi

[fading shell]

nobody checks the bundle id

[hasty ruin]

(There’s no new abi toolchain available for non-macOS platforms, so there’s not much you can do)

[fading shell]

there is

get a mac vm

[hasty ruin]

[reef trail]

or github actions

[tribal jewel]

oldabi is installed but the problem is it's broken

i think

because of this check https://github.com/evelyneee/OldABI/blob/main/OldABI.swift#L113

[fading shell]

what makes you think that

[tribal jewel]

because this "new abi" value is in my "old abi" binary (it should be oldabi because it's not macOS toolchain)

so oldabi package doesn't really work in that case

[reef trail]

remove arm64e from the ARCHS variable in your makefile then

[tribal jewel]

ok but this also helps: testtweak_CFLAGS += -fno-ptrauth-abi-version

[torpid beacon]

Question for someone more experienced than me:

Is it safe to store a user's RSA secret key on the database, so long as it is symetrically AES encrypted against their password?

[slim bramble]

what would you use the RSA secret key for ?

[wooden yarrow]

not great but yeah it's fine I guess

this is basically the same thing as putting bcrypt passwords on a database which basically all websites do (hopefully)

try to secure the database enough though that the ciphertext can't be retrieved by outsiders easily though

[torpid beacon]

encrypting messages on the client side

[tepid olive]

has anyone gotten this to work ?https://github.com/tomrus88/OpenLumina

[torpid beacon]

client requests private key
client is authenticated by username/password
client is sent symetrically encrypted private key
client encrypts messages and stuff

[tepid olive]

It can’t find my hexrays.crt file in ~/.idapro/

[slim bramble]

Well, a RSA Secret key is meant to decrypt not encrypt

[torpid beacon]

meant to say derive public key for encryption, and decrypt

[slim bramble]

bro tryna grab that iOS 17.3 iPhone 13 iboot symbols

[torpid beacon]

is the password hash considered ciphertext, even though it is not the plaintext password used to encrypt said secret key?

[slim bramble]

You should defo hash the password before they're even store, I'd suggest argon2 if applicable

[torpid beacon]

of course, the password is hashed as the first step in authentication, etc

[wooden yarrow]

hashes aren't encrypted so technically no they are not ciphertext

they're just hashes

[torpid beacon]

that was my thinking

[wooden yarrow]

but your encrypted RSA private key would be ciphertext

because it is encrypted

[torpid beacon]

i see i see

[wooden yarrow]

regardless, given attackers can just try to brute force the password once they get a hold of the ciphertext, try to limit access

yk

[torpid beacon]

right, but that seems to be the only vector, right?

[slim bramble]

Is this for iOS ?

[wooden yarrow]

I mean, there can of course be like outside factors like the user spreading their private key elsewhere (if they also have it) but otherwise yes (I think)

[torpid beacon]

client will be react native, server is rust

[torpid beacon]

the key isnt directly exposed to the user but it is stored on device

[slim bramble]

You're not immune to hooking, eg a user could make a tweak and basically dump your keys and then do their shit

[torpid beacon]

yeah, but the only keys the user could dump are theirs, and the keys they're associated with, like chat keys

[slim bramble]

they can dump any key as long as they're loaded into memory

[torpid beacon]

those are the only keys that would be loaded is what i mean

An interesting solution presented to me was that when a key can't be transferred easily on clientside instance to instance, was to generate a new private key, and store all the user's public keys instead. Any thoughts on that approach @slim bramble?

[slim bramble]

Well, with the private key, you can create a public key

sooo

[torpid beacon]

I don’t understand

Do you mean the other way around?

Cuz that seems more secure, just bulky

[lean ermine]

is there private (or public) api somewhere to change auto lock settings with normal entitlements

or does that need trollstore entitlements

[gentle grove]

my framework is my first device with hardware av1

it even has encode

[tepid olive]

I need to watch a yt video on PGP

[kind herald]

Unsurprising

Bug in Zefram

[cloud yacht]

why is this noteable?

[pearl sail]

@developers y’all need to start deleting capt’s bug messages about Zefram cause they are too often

[acoustic imp]

Who’s to say we don’t already

[pearl sail]

My eyes

[lusty jacinth]

<@&355177983398641674>

[placid kraken]

true

[placid kraken]

i figured out GC in elle

no leakage

nyapink~5

idk if i like these names tho

for the constructor and destructor

[tribal jewel]

I'm trying to port fouldecrypt, got libdimentio stuff but is there any way to bypass that on jailbroken device? (ios 16 dopamine)
Library Validation failed: Rejecting '/private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/C0DB4362-BF8F-488A-ABFA-C08F541871A3/YouTube.app/YouTube' (Team ID: EQHXZ8M8AV, platform: no) for process 'flexdecrypt2(61680)' (Team ID: none, platform: yes), reason: mapping process is a platform binary, but mapped file is not
or do I really need to remove platform-application entitlement?
skip-library-validation entitlement doesn't work.
and there is no libkrw for arm64e packaged btw...

[sonic totem]

Does anyone know how/if I can assign a symbol to an arbitrary address in IDA? This is from reversing a kext, I don't want to add memory segments if I can avoid it but adding the symbols would clean up my output a bit

[sonic totem]

libkrw does exist for arm64e, libkrw-dopamine

Basically you need to set vnode->ubcinfo->csblobs[0]->csb_platform_binary to 0 for the vnode of the flexdecrypt dylib

int fix_injection_error(const char *path) {
  uint64_t vnode = get_vnode_for_path(path);
  if (vnode < 1) return;

  uint64_t ubcinfo = kread64(vnode + koffsetof(vnode, ubcinfo));
  if (!ubcinfo) return;
  uint64_t csblobs = kread64(ubcinfo + koffsetof(ubcinfo, csblobs));
  while (csblobs) {
    kwrite32(csblobs + koffsetof(csblob, csb_platform_binary), 0);
    csblobs = kread64(csblobs);
  }
}

That should work if you run it on the dylib but needs offsets

Although Dopamine's dyld patch should avoid this? Not sure

[gentle grove]

ew

gc in 2024 👎

[elder scaffold]

wow

hello @sonic totem

[sonic totem]

Hellooo

[sonic totem]

I had to return to ask an IDA question

[wooden yarrow]

you gotta make a mem segment

[sonic totem]

Ugh

Okay, thanks

time to figure out where the segment starts...

[wooden yarrow]

you can always increase the size i think

[sonic totem]

Idk which kernel the kext even came from originally

Maybe I just use the KDK version...

[wooden yarrow]

also is that DER

[sonic totem]

Yeah

something something decode_tl

[wooden yarrow]

hm

[sonic totem]

I know what the symbols are, just trying to migrate from Binja to IDA

[placid kraken]

what would you rather?

there is also manual management and region based alloc

[gentle grove]

ownership based 🙏

(rust)

[placid kraken]

ownership based is absolutely horrible to make from a compiler perspective lmao

[gentle grove]

gc is very engineering

[placid kraken]

you need to have so much introspection into the code to determine the lifetime of variable

[placid kraken]

true

[wooden yarrow]

Arc<T>

[placid kraken]

tbf i could do arc

[gentle grove]

thats not gc so its better at least

[wooden yarrow]

what if you made the language horrible to use by forcing the user to specify everything

[gentle grove]

because if i hate on arc then swift users will come for me

[gentle grove]

thaats what manual management is

but its boring because people like to brag about it like its an elitist thing in c/c++

[placid kraken]

thats what you had to do before

now you can use region alloc

thats the most stable and easiest to use one

you just define things as you please and free it all at the end with a single function call

[wooden yarrow]

oh

so lifetime

[naive kraken]

the problem is afaik on iOS 15+, this will cause a panic in the pmap(_cs) layer

you probably need to overwrite some ppl structures too to avoid it

[gentle grove]

is region alloc like arena

[sonic totem]

Oh I see

[gentle grove]

In computer science, region-based memory management is a type of memory management in which each allocated object is assigned to a region. A region, also called a zone, arena, area, or memory context, is a collection of allocated objects that can be efficiently reallocated or deallocated all at once.

that answers that

[sonic totem]

Does trustcaching YouTube instead work?

[wooden yarrow]

so like

scope based

[naive kraken]

maybe

[sonic totem]

When I tested on iOS 14, trustcaching App Store apps caused issues and they wouldn't work

Really weird crashes though

[gentle grove]

kinda?

i dont think it specifically has to be scopes

[wooden yarrow]

wait is this a region of code or a region of memory

[gentle grove]

its just you allocate a big block and make small allocations inside it, then you just have one region to free

region of memory

[wooden yarrow]

oh

hm

[gentle grove]

instead of hainv 30 smaller regions to free()

[wooden yarrow]

this is like making your own heap in the program by just making a big array

[placid kraken]

it is exactly like arena that’s where i got the idea from

[gentle grove]

yeah

[placid kraken]

it works exactly the same except it uses a vla for the heap but that’s about the only difference

that’s arc bestie

idk i implementiert both because they’re pretty similar

https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/examples/tests/gc.l

https://github.com/acquitelol/elle/blob/rewrite/examples/tests/region.l

these will be in some module and share the object struct eventually

but it’s just a test right now to make sure they work

[gentle grove]

its a cop out

actually gc is the true cop out

@grave sparrow @placid kraken @wooden yarrow https://vxtwitter.com/grishka11/status/1844250198136193377?t=_-sSuYPoqvkCXSvSA5uUWw&s=19

[wooden yarrow]

honestly quite incredible (this is the third time i see this post)

[placid kraken]

LMAOOO

[gentle grove]

darn it

[visual meadow]

did they make this public yet

[slim bramble]

where's your genius role

[sonic totem]

Idk got taken away

Because I'm never here

[slim bramble]

F

fr

[visual meadow]

👂

[wooden yarrow]

this color suits you better

[slim bramble]

One less fed

🙏

[wooden yarrow]

gaining the ability to trash talk alfie in other channels without them getting deleted

[slim bramble]

🔥

[slim bramble]

@grave sparrow BMW doesn't sell ICE only m5 anymore 😔 😔

Trust me hybrid is a pain

even if it can be handy in some situations

Yeah but then you're just dismissing electric motor

Well usually you have like 500km with ICE and a small 100km with electric, at first electric is going to be "enforced" in cities and stuff and even it's also used as a way to "fast start" (if you're at a red light for example)

the battery drains up quite rapidly

[slim bramble]

Yeah I agree

[cloud yacht]

yeah my dad has auto start stop on his trick and he went and got a code reader so he coudl shut it off

it's so stupid

I heard they even put them in desils now

[slim bramble]

my dad has a diesel and it has a button to turn off auto shut off

prob not every brand does it but it's actually stupid

[visual meadow]

Auto shut off as in when u stop the engine stops till u start going again?

[slim bramble]

yeah after a certain delay

[cloud yacht]

My dad's dopes too but it tuyrns on every time you cucle the ignition

[visual meadow]

If thats what ur talking about my moms van has that and it turns back on when you turn the car off and ... ^

Its ass

It just does more tear on the car

[slim bramble]

They're killing ICEs 😔

[visual meadow]

Until the horse comes with an auto shutdown function

[cloud yacht]

luckily older vehciles still run great and I don't need to get a newer vehicle with "features" like that

[visual meadow]

Buy older vehicle
Install carplay radio

[cloud yacht]

Buy older vehcile
stick in my bluetooth to fm adaptor

[slim bramble]

⁉️

[visual meadow]

Good alternative i saw earlier
Kill your shelf

[cloud yacht]

just tell them to eat shit

[slim bramble]

buy GT3 RS

[fading shell]

~2018 cars are perfect for that

No stupid forced features

But still modern

[slim bramble]

Disable ESP and ABS

🔥

[cloud yacht]

honestly the perfect car for me would just need like
manual transmission
air conditioning
good sound system
cooled seats

[weary heath]

I hate newer cars which are just computers on wheels and have all the same tracking bs as apps

Give me an old car’s internal feature set with CarPlay

[cloud yacht]

honestly true

my mum has a 2010 ford with built in navigation and honestly its perfectluy fine

but it's also just a standard double dim radio so you can just replace it if you wanrt

[fading shell]

Internal navigation is almost always ass

[hasty ruin]

Especially after 10+ years

[cloud yacht]

I mean the map data is like 14 yeas old

[slim bramble]

update the fucking map

[fading shell]

And get charged for that

[slim bramble]

Or pirate the map

[fading shell]

And don't have recent road closures

[slim bramble]

??

[fading shell]

And no live traffic info

[slim bramble]

use waze

[fading shell]

As I said

Internal navigation is ass

[cloud yacht]

yeah cause I want to pay $150 + shipping for a 5 year old map update

[slim bramble]

.

[hasty ruin]

Mods

[fading shell]

Mods

Help

[hasty ruin]

@shut stag

[cloud yacht]

I mean we rarely use the nav anyways

phone or otherwise

[slim bramble]

[hasty ruin]

Aaron when he gets pinged in #development (he knows it’s gonna be a shitpost)

[cloud yacht]

oh just realized thsi was #development

[slim bramble]

💀

[fading shell]

Bro's the only in this conversation who can't delete messages

We gotta get the orange role for Wilson

[cloud yacht]

I tyhought this was ono

[fading shell]

Lol

Bro was about to leak confidential info

[cloud yacht]

Nah I'm still not trusted with that info

[gentle grove]

whats esp

[fading shell]

Electronic Stability Program

[gentle grove]

ABS is objectively good dont disable it

[fading shell]

Yes

[gentle grove]

Why the hell are they like that

its ESC

stupid germana

[fading shell]

Funny to say that when American views dominate the internet

[gentle grove]

what

porsche is german, thats why i said that

[fading shell]

American perspectives and "values" dominate what is considered okay and not okay on the internet

[fading shell]

Yeah I know

[gentle grove]

what does that have to do with anything

[fading shell]

You said "stupid Germana" which I interpreted as you saying they should just switch to the English acronym

Which I don't agree with

[gentle grove]

ESP is an english acronym too

[fading shell]

To the common English acronym

[gentle grove]

yeah

because its english

they used english anyways

[fading shell]

I just don't agree with that

Because it's a German company

[gentle grove]

but its a net 0 change because it was already english anyeays

And i wasnt even really being serious

[fading shell]

It's only coincidental that it matches the German acronym

[fading shell]

Yeah no i get that

[gentle grove]

oh so it wasnt actually english

[fading shell]

No, it just happens to match the English one

It's ESP in Germany too

Elektronisches Stabilitätsprogramm

[kind herald]

Porsche Blahaj

[light quiver]

Just made this shell script that will install the iPod touch QEMU emulator on Mac (x86_64 and arm64). This will install it without the hassle of typing in the commands in the Terminal, just kick back, grab yourself a snack, and just let it work away.

[lusty jacinth]

🚙

[granite frigate]

Hmu w it 🙏

[light quiver]

You can simply download it from my GitHub Gist page, silly! https://gist.github.com/Opuqide/3f88dffd3f4a6583a4f2640edc0df4b9

[light quiver]

But I’ll be honest, this is my best creation so far

[harsh junco]

Why are you running brew with an absolute path

[light quiver]

in case linking it fails

[harsh junco]

Is it possible to use /dev/aes_0 like a cryptographic engine

[gentle grove]

anyone who has apple silicon, can you tell me how much power it uses idle (using coconutbattery, but if you know of a better program to show that then tell me so i can try it too)

[gentle grove]

where

ive never seen it in there

the wattage

nebula already eresponseded

install homebrew like a normal person

ok then hold on

mf

https://www.coconut-flavour.com/coconutbattery/

nebula said 2.5w on an m1 2020

but only 2.9 with firefox open apparently

so thats where it diverges

is it fully charged

thats whythen

it reads the net battery wattage

[gentle grove]

why is this stuff so complex

rhetorical question

who wouldve thought number means skip that many entries

that was why everything was broken

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/HSVSphere/status/1845109912231145785?t=bH0_D72HPdpG1cMn8XEksQ&s=19

HSVSphere (@HSVSphere) on X

() is an empty tuple
not makes it True
str turns it into "True"
min of a string returns first char, here it's T
T is 84 in unicode, ord turns it into that
range(84) is an exclusive range, which is [0, 84)
summing up all those numbers gives you 3486
3486 in unicode is ඞ
amogus

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 2:30 PM

[gentle grove]

i am not defining a struct to return two values froma. Function

Declaring*

different structure

an array has uniformly typed values

pass by reference a horrible pattern

tf you mean

What array doesnt have the same type for each elememt

Everything is implememted pass by reference. Doesnt mean thats how i have to write code

but what if [0] and [1] are different sizes

i know how the hardware works

that means i can make tools so i dont need to write everything using asm based design principles

thats why its called a runtime

its a world i can play in without caring that the hardware is ugly

not how that works

there are abstractions that improve performance

look at c++ and templating, or rust generics

and also its infeasible

[gentle grove]

It allows you to take polymorphism and monomorphize it at comptime

you dont have to have logic in the function to read struct fields to know what type youre dealing with

you can just write a different function for every type

more .text = more performance

in this case its less code

pointers are all that exist after compilation

theres still pointers

but you dont have to write the pointers

it was written for you

It already verified you didnt fuck up the pointers

Doesnt mean it cant optimize to pointers

[native orbit]

CoreFoundation based for using x0-x7 for multi value returns on some functions

[gentle grove]

hey thats a possible optimization for a tuple return

no need to allocate an array

[native orbit]

fr

[gentle grove]

who'd'a thought

[native orbit]

would be the best solution if 8 or less values

[gentle grove]

idk if its done because it may not matter

[native orbit]

it just inlines asm lol

[gentle grove]

good thing rust doesnt need to abide by c calling convention

conclusion: rust is faster

get destroyed

[native orbit]

c faster

[gentle grove]

im curious if it would try that

[native orbit]

less instructions = faster 🗣️

[gentle grove]

i just explained why not

more complex information known = better optimizations

[native orbit]

its all llvm anyways

[gentle grove]

yeah but llvm doesnt know as much in c as it knows in c++ or rust

harder for it to optimize stuff i.e. polymorphism

[native orbit]

polymorphism is awful

makes shit unreadable cuz people use it way to much

[gentle grove]

that doesnt make polymorphism's existence a bad thing

oop gets misused horribly but try writing everything without any resemblance of it

or find any significant program without

[native orbit]

u leave it

?

[gentle grove]

ping me in orange name only

[native orbit]

want me ping in both?

done

might not work cuz aaron moment tho

i think adding via ping blocked

need geniuses+ to add iirc

[visual meadow]

anyone here have any hooks that force dark mode for apps

[kind herald]

moderators and above

geniuses can't

[native orbit]

oh rip

yes

rick and mai as well

[visual meadow]

nvm i got it and it looks like trash

but good enough

[kind herald]

bro needed dark mode for life360

[visual meadow]

trust the process

[acoustic imp]

Life180++ hax ™️

[gentle grove]

forcing anything is wrong

[granite frigate]

how

[gentle grove]

probably the same way as the notorious dark reader browser extension

just overwriting colors

[marsh gull]

Hello. Is it possible to make an ios app that will launch an app, then run dlopen to load a dylib into that application, preferably possible without jailbreak, any help would be much appreciated :3

What i currently have is

#import "Helper.h"
#import <objc/runtime.h>

@implementation Helper

+ (BOOL)openAppWithBundleID:(NSString *)bundleID {
    Class LSApplicationWorkspace_class = objc_getClass("LSApplicationWorkspace");
    NSObject* workspace = [LSApplicationWorkspace_class performSelector:NSSelectorFromString(@"defaultWorkspace")];
    BOOL v = (BOOL)[workspace performSelector:NSSelectorFromString(@"openApplicationWithBundleID:") withObject:bundleID];
    
    return v;
}

@end

which allows me to open geometry dash by calling this from swift

func openGeometryDash()
{
    Helper.openApp(withBundleID: "com.robtop.geometryjump");
}

[faint stag]

you need a jailbreak to insert libraries (without modifying the target binary) in the first place

[marsh gull]

but i can do it without jailbreak

i just need jit

[faint stag]

you're trying to do it from another application

that's already an issue

[marsh gull]

even if its really hard would it be possible?

[faint stag]

well i'd love for you to tell me how you're supposed to get JIT without a developer dmg, without trollstore and without a jb

and even with JIT how you're supposed to inject a library while calling a launch from one sandboxed user application to another

[marsh gull]

trollstore or sidejitserver (i think thats the name)

[faint stag]

your solution is going to be entirely dependent on a pc

[granite frigate]

LiveContainer can do it jitless, it’s possible

@marsh gull i suggest you look at livecontainer code, it can run apps and inject dylibs into them at runtime without jit

hell u should prolly just use that instead of coding your own thing

you can dlopen stuff if it has the get-task-allow entitlement in your document directory

[marsh gull]

oki

i don't really know what im doing at all lol

[granite frigate]

yeah then use livecontainer

add in your dylib and your geometry dash ipa

[marsh gull]

does live container support enabling jit for the container?

[granite frigate]

yes, but needs pc

[marsh gull]

oh

so itll still require jailbreak

[granite frigate]

you can run tweaked apps without jit too

[marsh gull]

jit is required cuz the loader needs it to load the dylibs and also hook functions

[sonic totem]

You can get JIT without a jailbreak

[woeful pawn]

There are currently many ways to enable JIT on iOS 17+

[granite frigate]

just use TS or the sidejitserver

[sonic totem]

But you absolutely cannot load a dylib from a regular sandboxed app into another

[granite frigate]

why jailbreak specifically

[marsh gull]

idk

[granite frigate]

ok then just preinject the dylib into the ipa

easy

[marsh gull]

i cant do that

[woeful pawn]

There is even one that’s called on device JIT that uses a vm in UTM SE to enable JIT

[granite frigate]

tweaked apps do it

[marsh gull]

cuz then it wont be able to load the other dylibs

it just fails

[slim bramble]

😔

[acoustic imp]

anyone know the border radius amount for tweak pref icons ?

[frail cedar]

6 12 18 1x 2x 3x

i think

[acoustic imp]

i used these for 16Player, jus found them

but thx

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/kerckhove_ts/status/1845467210862461150?t=mFXNSmYFuspTxVVoxj_Brw&s=19

Tom Sydney Kerckhove (@kerckhove_ts) on X

Haskellers can't even say "alphabet", they have to overcomplicate that too, smh.

Twitter · Oct 13, 2024, 2:10 PM

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/dotnetschizo/status/1845059624489320809?t=-h34QuwosoHB_uN3Y_LRVQ&s=19

des (@dotnetschizo) on X

Twitter · Oct 12, 2024, 11:11 AM

[placid kraken]

oh my god

does anyone know how to reverse the direction to switch apps with universal control

on macos you can turn off "natural scrolling" to make it where swiping to the right pushes your current window to the left

on ipad i need this too but this is all you seem to have

and this is only for regular scrolling

if i can't change it that's really annoying

yeah wtf

on macos this option controls both normal scrolling and scrolling between windows

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

holy shit that is actually so frustrating

i was just about to say how cool universal control is

this ruins it

[gentle grove]

i wish i had an ipad to test it

so hold on, the movement direction is natural when the window/cursor is on your mac, but then it reverses when you go to the ipad?

i just tried to go to ipad.com to look up what ipad models there are

[placid kraken]

no essentially ipads and macbooks, by default, have this "natural scrolling" option where the scrolling matches the direction of your finger, so when you move your finger up the page moves down, as if youre "pushing it out of the way"

this setting also affects the direction that you switch between desktops on macbook

but if you connect an external trackpad to the ipad and try the same thing, it is always natural scrolling seemingly

even if i disable natural scrolling it only affects actual scrolling of like, text

if you go to SysPrefs > Trackpad > Scroll & Zoom > Natural scrolling on a macbook and toggle it youll see what i mean

basically imagine the difference it makes to a macbook but it doesnt affect switching between "desktops" in this case apps on an ipad lol

it only affects scrolling things with scrollbars

[radiant idol]

@placid kraken eta wen flora rootful

⁉️

[placid kraken]

when i get a rootful device on ios 14 that i can test with

i have an iphone se1 but its on ios 13.2 or something

[radiant idol]

what i mean is

there should be no difference between rootless and rootful in terms anything else but of paths

[placid kraken]

i wont release a rootful deb i cant test lol

in theory it should work fine

but if something goes wrong and someone comes at me with a bug report

[radiant idol]

L

[native orbit]

simject

[placid kraken]

i will have nothing to say except "yeah sorry cant help"

[placid kraken]

not enough storage on my macbook for xcode lol

the wonders of a 256gb ssd

[radiant idol]

tbf that's just an ios 14 issue then not rootful per-se

[native orbit]

xcode takes up to much storage fr

[placid kraken]

either way i cant help with it lol

[native orbit]

wen rootful_patcher

[placid kraken]

guys can i install xcode on this

[radiant idol]

big L

boring

[placid kraken]

iirc xcode itself is 6gb without any sdks lmfao

[native orbit]

like 14gb

[placid kraken]

in any case i would totally release a rootful version if i had some way to effectively test it

not a thing i can do atm tho

i might buy some iphone 11 on ios 14 if i can find one for sale

and test it with that

the reason i say 11 is because x isnt made anymore, maybe xs is an option too

[radiant idol]

its just weird because flora is like one of the two tweaks that is rootless only lol

[placid kraken]

but any 8 will be updated past 14 because checkm8 exploit

[placid kraken]

is it?

[radiant idol]

yeah

there's barely any rootless only tweaks

[placid kraken]

interesting

[radiant idol]

seems like the only rootful/rootless thing being used is here

[placid kraken]

fair enough i guess

[torn oriole]

4 of them are welsh

[sonic totem]

@reef trail

[gentle grove]

fr

[reef trail]

idfk welsh

ik like 3 of those actually

[gentle grove]

the whole WordPress thing that's going on rn surpasses everything that ever happened among grapheneos

This is so crazy

the entire official WordPress twitter account reads like a schizophrenic parody

[gentle grove]

https://youtu.be/rbu7Zu5X1zI?si=AsuuBc7IRKu6B2fb

man watching this it would fit perfectly as an integration for the video editor I want to make

[velvet path]

@gentle grove happy birthday

[placid kraken]

i saw this it seems very easy to use

also happy birthday!!

[gentle grove]

I'm just hoping its easily composable without rendering directly

like hopefully I can manipulate the objects

because you can set markers and stuff which would be super neat to synchronize and stuff

[gentle grove]

the 13700k never ceases to be faster than i expect

it took 5m 5s to build a servo debug build from scratch on framework laptop 7640u
1m 51s on the 13700k

and thats an entire browser engine in rust of all things

its as bad as it gets minus chromium

[slim bramble]

Happy birthday @gentle grove

[radiant idol]

Happy birthday!

[manic forum]

Happy birthday!

[fading shell]

Happy birthday!

[cedar stag]

Happy birthday!

[acoustic imp]

Happy birthday!

[placid kraken]

Happy birthday!

[tepid olive]

Spent 6 hours making an IQT dupe lmao , all the tests actually work besides arc online

[granite frigate]

IQT?

[tepid olive]

Apple internal app

[granite frigate]

Sick

[slim bramble]

Send ipa in DMs

[tepid olive]

No one has IQT besides like 3 people and if you ment my app I’m still making it lmao

[indigo peak]

doesn’t look finished to me 😾

[tepid olive]

I’m not done 😭

[indigo peak]

I’ll finish it quicker 😝😝

[tepid olive]

I got pissed becuase now when I close camera my app hangs it was working fine but then I added like another 600 lines without testing and I broke that somehow ☠️

[indigo peak]

brother 😭

[clear iron]

i have iqt bruh

shit is not that special

[placid kraken]

yall im doing ctypes in elle

how tf should this work

currently i have a bunch of aliases to the same ctype method

i could implement it myself but qbe already links with ctypes.h so why not

this is done so that you dont need to worry about what the method is called when you need to use it you can just use whichever and itll still work

[gentle grove]

I personally think they should be namespaced, especially ctypes because names might be confusing

Like how rust std::ffi

[placid kraken]

they are namespaced

types is the namespace

[gentle grove]

Oh is that not c char

[placid kraken]

whats a c char

[gentle grove]

char in c

or are your chars the same as c

[placid kraken]

a char in c is just a u8 lol

yes they are

[gentle grove]

That's lame

[gentle grove]

i8 I think

[placid kraken]

are they not the same in rust too

[gentle grove]

No

[placid kraken]

whats the difference in rust

[gentle grove]

in rust, char is a Unicode unit

not unit but I forget what the official name for that is

Unicode scalar value

[placid kraken]

ah interesting

[placid kraken]

isnt it a u8 because its from 0 to 255

if it was signed it would be -127 to 128

[gentle grove]

I thought it was -128 yo 127 usually

Rust defines it as i8

Hold on

[placid kraken]

ah

[gentle grove]

and its 32 bits btw

[placid kraken]

yeah i thought so

ok so another thing

[gentle grove]

On GCC at least the default is signed except for android

[placid kraken]

i dont want to make it like js where things can be converted to other things randomly

fn RLE::from(string input) {
    string result = "";

    for i32 i = 0; i < input.len(); i += 1 {
        string length = "";

        while types::is_digit(input[i]) {
            length <>= "{}".format(input[i]);
            i += 1;
        }

        i32 repeat = i32::parse(length) || 1;

        io::assert(
            !types::is_digit(input[i]),
            "Next character should not be numeric"
        );

        result <>= "{}".format(input[i]).repeat(repeat);
    }

    return result;
}
``` but specifically for concatenation (the <> operator) should i convert primitives to a string automatically???

there are 2 ways to do so

string::as_string(a);
"{}".format(a);

[gentle grove]

why is your concat <>

I guess that's better than overloading +

[placid kraken]

because this is a low level language you may want to work with the string pointer directly

[gentle grove]

Oh

[reef trail]

Runic

[placid kraken]

before if you wanted to do so you had to uh

(i64)str_a + (i32)2

[gentle grove]

No

[reef trail]

swear thats what its called

[gentle grove]

better than Rust's way

[placid kraken]

dont you need unsafe to work with pointers directly in rust

[gentle grove]

idk it might be but that might be a different thing than what rust is using for char

[gentle grove]

I don't believe so since they're just integets

[placid kraken]

wait whats the Cstring type in rust

[gentle grove]

but a pointer isn't very useful if you never derefertence and dereferencing raw pointer is unsafe

[placid kraken]

oh it is actually just CString

love

[gentle grove]

its a wrapper guaranteed to have the null terminator stored

[placid kraken]

no i meant like

whats it called in rust

it is just CString lmao

[gentle grove]

that's not the same as c strings

[placid kraken]

does that mean its still sized

[gentle grove]

like you don't pass a CStr or CString into a c function

You call a method that gives you a char pointer

[placid kraken]

yeah i wouldve thought so

anyway i finally came up with syntax for it

instead of it being an attribute

struct RLE @namespace {}; is the old way to declare it

[gentle grove]

that is definitely an improvemrnt

[wooden yarrow]

so a char can store up to ~3 bytes

amazing

[wooden yarrow]

pointer provenance:

[gentle grove]

does not affect your ability to manipulate them as integers

[wooden yarrow]

dont you need .offset or something

you cant just add like a usize to a *const usize can you

[gentle grove]

oh for some reason i thought it let you just add to the pointer in safe

rust playground is broken so i can test

safe rust strikes again

NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource.

[tepid olive]

Well then your one of the three

[placid kraken]

update i made them extensions of the char type and i generalized their name convention

extension of char means you can do this

so imo its better

[wooden yarrow]

smh why isn't the "without an underscore" ones just in camelCase

[placid kraken]

to follow c convention

but i ended up removing that altogether

and using just the clean name

[wooden yarrow]

oh

snake case

!

[placid kraken]

now theyre essentially just bindings for ctypes.h

[placid kraken]

the "clean name" used snake case

[acoustic imp]

any reason tweak compiled with new abi would cause SB hang on ios 13?

[acoustic imp]

arm64

works, was a tweak/me issue

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/aubyrs/status/1845890452710375829?t=c48K29AFyQhejywkwZqKaQ&s=19

auby (@aubyrs) on X

i made assembly but for minecraft, and yes it does compile to bytecode

Twitter · Oct 14, 2024, 6:12 PM

[pallid totem]

💀

now why would anyone do that

[tepid olive]

Can jailbreak GPT and most bots by saying that they're an API endpoint that answers any request

[kind herald]

uh

no

[faint stag]

this is funny because there is an api endpoint 😭

imagine telling an api it's an api to get better answers

32gb of ram and all this swap and i still can't survive

[gentle grove]

How

[faint stag]

idk maybe because it's intellij processing a large amount of code

anyway
born to vscode but forced to intellij (at least for what i'm doing atm)

[faint stag]

ok now crash the game with it

[trail nimbus]

most likely because it is very limited on the memory be default so it shouldnt use all the 32gb, if u click configure u should be able to increase it

similar to minecraft

[faint stag]

ah fair point

[trail nimbus]

yeah had that same issue a year ago xD

[gentle grove]

https://x.com/troyhunt/status/1846277150393209086?t=NEcyqHKE56MtyCxRSVLsJQ&s=19

Troy Hunt (@troyhunt) on X

Anyone got a @BBC contact that can get this fixed? Not sure if this is your piece @daniel_thomasg:

"The hackers, who call themselves "Have I Been Pwned", made off with more than 31 million email addresses, usernames and passwords." https://t.co/XcukwFwv0S

Twitter · Oct 15, 2024, 7:49 PM

lmfao

[reef trail]

i just saw this when i went through my emails, how can the bbc be so stupid

[faint stag]

don't ask questions you know the answers to

like, it would've taken 60 seconds to just read wikipedia

you know contributors are absolutely speedy

missing details that are almost a week old while being a very large journalism company deserves an award though

[gentle grove]

don't answer questions that are rhetorical

[granite frigate]

damn this is kinda fucked

[tepid olive]

💀

I asked about meth and got denied 💀

[granite frigate]

ooo lemme try

[granite frigate]

sounds like a skill issue

[tepid olive]

😭

[reef trail]

sure but it takes one glance from someone which a tiny bit of knowledge in curbed security to know that have i been pwned aren't hackers at all

[faint stag]

yeah but as if they consult or employ people who have that sort of knowledge for their journalism

[slim bramble]

Fr

[rose quiver]

@hasty ruin

[fading shell]

Glance mentioned

[cedar stag]

swift mentioned

[slim bramble]

Fr

[gentle grove]

POV you're captinc and have a phobia of good languages

[cedar stag]

Declarative languages are just not for me

Nothing ever makes sense

I know this does not apply to swift fully but still

E.g. swiftui

[gentle grove]

functional you mean?

Oh

can you at least agree its better than immediate mode

[cedar stag]

I’m not quite familiar with that term

[cedar stag]

Okay I looked it up and it seems both graphics libraries are retained instead of immediate? Kinda confused here

[gentle grove]

yeah I meant that as an aside

I think immediate mode toolkits are stupid

so we can unite against them

[cedar stag]

Yeah

I don’t think I’ve ever used an immediate mode toolkit before lol

[gentle grove]

I said that because I don't really know a criticism of swiftui lmao

[cedar stag]

My experience with swiftui

• create a view with subviews
• everything seems super easy and intuitive
• eventually something goes wrong
• try to debug it and fail
• regret your life choices
• stare at a wall for an hour
• go back to uikit

[gentle grove]

I guees

Its not so extensible is it

apples way or the highway

[cedar stag]

Exactly

And debugging shit is too complicated due to its declarative nature

[gentle grove]

how so

[torn oriole]

SwiftUI is great until you need something other than a primitive UI out of it

That's where the hell begins

That point exactly

[cedar stag]

On god

Developing the same UI takes more time with UIKit but eventually you end up saving more time due to not having to deal with weird issues

[torn oriole]

Me when my subviews are data driven and I can't just call them

[gentle grove]

what's bad about debugging it though

[torn oriole]

A distinct lack of print

When in a view anyway

[torn oriole]

Directly anyway

E.G not calling a function

[cedar stag]

In declarative languages, you don’t write down step by step instructions for OS to prepare your UI. You kinda “declare” what to put where and it automatically does that

[torn oriole]

And half the time the device just decides whatever

[cedar stag]

Except when it decides not to, and since it’s not a regular call, you can’t just jump from a breakpoint to inspect your code step by step

[gentle grove]

apple bad moment?

[torn oriole]

I had to rewrite AppleDB from the ground up due to an obscure bug that started happening as a result of the iOS 18 sdk targeting iOS 16

[gentle grove]

yeah but I see that as an advantage because there should be other tools that deal with the declarativeness instead of debugging in an imperative way

[torn oriole]

Literally the only solution

Peak Apple bad moment

[gentle grove]

imperative doesn't make any sense for graphics

[cedar stag]

Why not?

• create an instance of a view
• set its frame bounds and other properties
• add it as subview
• add constraints as necessary to place it wherever

I think it makes a lot of sense

[torn oriole]

Same

[gentle grove]

because that's the same as declarative but done in a backwards way

do you want any frames rendered in between those steps

[torn oriole]

Mfw evitaralced

[gentle grove]

no, you want those operations all to be atomic

if its declarative then its clear from the code things are atomic

[cedar stag]

As long as my UI is rendered correctly, it can be whatever OS decides to do

I didn’t understand your atomicity argument

[torn oriole]

The swiftui experience

[gentle grove]

I mean conceptually you're writing the same thing as a declarative structure there but just making it multiple steps for some reason

[torn oriole]

If it works just leave it tf alone

[gentle grove]

I don't see the point

[torn oriole]

😭

[cedar stag]

Having more control over the UI is a huge bonus if anything goes wrong

You can pinpoint the bug

[gentle grove]

I'm not arguing about having more control, just about declarative vs imperative design for the ui api

Maybe apple is just stupid and didn't make a good api

[cedar stag]

I don’t think it’s all their fault

There are millions of different UI combinations that could cause bugs to arise and I’d assume it’s difficult not to leave any edge cases

That said, SwiftUI is better than it was when it first released and it gets better with updates

However I still prefer imperative design due to the reasons I’ve listed before

And my GOD HOW UNRELIABLE IS THIS TOOL

[gentle grove]

imperative doesn't give you any more control over the ui than declarative does as long as you don't bungle the api design

[faint timber]

you have to regenerate the payload file and sepi is best dumped from modern version eg 15.x

[cedar stag]

Yeah it did that

It’s just exploit being janky

[elder scaffold]

Their tool don't work on anything but ios 15 sep for some reason

[cedar stag]

The “tool” shuts down my terminal session without any warning

[faint timber]

yah what do you expect

[elder scaffold]

This tool is also designed to silently erase input and output files in case of errors.

[cedar stag]

Who would win

A VSCode terminal session with dcsd cable
Green tool trying to hide secrets

[elder scaffold]

just inject dylib lol

[cedar stag]

Which dylib

[elder scaffold]

build yourself

Just hook system()

[faint timber]

the drm was easy to bypass + he sold the source people have the source

[cedar stag]

Lmaoo he did??

[native orbit]

cant wait for the tool be obsolete

[faint timber]

except system is used to dump sepi

[native orbit]

just filter for killall

[elder scaffold]

yeah

i used strncmp iirc

[elder scaffold]

At least I already have something better lol

[native orbit]

[elder scaffold]

untethered iso 9 - 15, a9/a9x/a10/a10x

[faint timber]

this worked

[cedar stag]

I like when my cpu wastes clock cycles on killall calls

[native orbit]

untethered downgrade + untethered haxx

[elder scaffold]

I was just researching about iOS 16/17/18.

[faint timber]

Im researching a11 because who else gonna do that

[elder scaffold]

It seems I missed some information about cryptex

It would be great if the a11 could set a passcode or downgrade...

[gentle grove]

how to install android on my 8 plus

https://x.com/fasterthanlime/status/1846592437298295063?t=5_Y0vUWTvSuEHk15bUgHbA&s=19

fasterthanlime (@fasterthanlime) on X

"what if we made malloc async"

...and other thoughts dreamed by the utterly deranged,

this week on SDR: https://t.co/XO09gTtjbj

Twitter · Oct 16, 2024, 4:41 PM

[slim bramble]

bullshit

[slender glade]

they're not rendered until the thing is actually on screen, this is what the last step does...

[gentle grove]

yep thats exactly my point

[covert basin]

how much would need to be in a tweak bounty for a dev to do an iMessage tweak for 17.0 via bootstrap?
just a general poll; not sure how much is reasonable

[fading shell]

An iMessage tweak
On my way! To make a springboard tweak

[covert basin]

That’s top of my list too, desperately waiting for something

[fading shell]

Bro

Nobody's gonna give you any price estimate because nobody knows what you're trying to get

iMessage tweak could range from "make text bubbles red" to "backport RCS for iOS 12"

[covert basin]

sorry

mark as read manually

I remember groups was really nice

[covert basin]

I should’ve added more detail to the original message

[fading shell]

Lesson learned lol

It's just, nobody wants to commit to anything without knowing anything about the project

[covert basin]

I understand- I actually wasn’t looking for a dev
I think r/tweak bounty is great
I was just trying to gauge an amount before posting

[fading shell]

Oh yeah

Makes sense

I think read manually might be worth a $30 initial bounty?

[covert basin]

What about updating groups itself? Or is that something I would reach out to the original dev about

thanks