you can sort of guess
#development
gentle grove
stuff has patterns
just because its undefined doesnt mean that the implementation isnt predictable
theyre tools that let you do the thing you need
nmap does a very usefula nd specific thing
ok why is my status bar flickering
those mobile security apps (antiviruses and things that are supposed to scan your phone) are complete scams though
No, google
what
idk what thing youre talking about
what are you saying
what is the security tip thats "dont use x api"
What are you talking about
It seems like youre talking about something very specific
do you have the source for cloudflare cdn
or for discord.com
bruh
what does that eveb mean
valgrind and fuzzers are what you do, those are very valid
things of that sort
i dont think you know how a computer works
its not through logic
its through sand magic
there is no explanation
idk what your rant even is
your rant reads like a trump speech
some people know c
those people also make bugs
its just not a good environment for writing new, nontrivial software
especially if it has security implications
that doesnt conflict at all with my statement
manic forum
translation: skill issue
gentle grove
the developer has a lot of mental load and if you make any mistakes, the damages are potentially very high
manic forum
c has the advantage of being very portable
gentle grove
yeah and google was smart enough to not use straight c
c++ isnt great but its better
and abstractions
its easier imo to write correct code in c++ because its so much less manual and explicit
wooden yarrow
i mean isnt that basically what some of his videos are about
i am not surprised he is the teacher for that
where does rust fit in
oh
gentle grove
where does rust fit in
replacing objc
manic forum
objc doesn't belong in that comparison
gentle grove
objc is not a language for serious people outside of apple
wooden yarrow
objc is not a language for serious people outside of apple
i always think c# for windows objc for mac
gentle grove
but somehow yoy also accept objc
thats cognitive dissonance
what are you calling ridiculous bullshit here
manic forum
and also apple-only
gentle grove
If you say rust im gonna laugh
gentle grove
you have not used rust
wooden yarrow
it literally uses a "abstract machine"
gentle grove
basically nothing of what you said makes any sense
what does "unable to control cpu" mean
what does "unable to control types" mean
neither of those are accurate
manic forum
then you can't say "stupid syntax"
wooden yarrow
you can do all of that in rust
gentle grove
you can do all of those.
manic forum
i have not used rust but claiming that rust can't do anything without ever using it isn't right
manic forum
you can experience the same segfaults you can in C
wait really? isn't avoiding that the whole point of rust?
gentle grove
you can do it
wooden yarrow
wait really? isn't avoiding that the whole point of rust?
the only sidenote is that it needs to be in a unsafe block
manic forum
oh
wooden yarrow
but rust does allow you to
gentle grove
wait really? isn't avoiding that the whole point of rust?
encapsulating it in unitary unsafe blocks is the point; its impossible to avoid having unsafe anywhere if you are gonna run your code on a computer
manic forum
right
gentle grove
you do this generally with trait objects which can be downcasted, or you can just use the trait object
wooden yarrow
encapsulating it in unitary unsafe blocks is the point; its impossible to avoid ...
i mean you can avoid it, if you rely on libraries to do unsafe things safely wrapped for easy usage
gentle grove
i mean you can avoid it, if you rely on libraries to do unsafe things safely wra...
thats what encapsulaging it means
gentle grove
wdym by that
Theres no metadata at runtime
its just like c/c++ in that sense
of course the compiler can be asked for metadata and compile that statically
which is that
manic forum
what is your point here
gentle grove
is there such a thing as an isa calling convention
wooden yarrow
you can always just #[repr(C)] if you want full compat with all the other programming languages
wooden yarrow
oh right calling functions
wooden yarrow
you can always just `#[repr(C)]` if you want full compat with all the other prog...
this is for structs
gentle grove
linking to libraries is actually made pretty convenient by cargo
but also its equally convenient with something like meson for c
i was under the impression each OS has its own calling convention
like stdcall vs whatever tf macos is vs whatever its called on windows
how, when its different between different oses
maybe specific to arm i have no clue
so basically we established you are hating on rust for reasons that arent even true (aka a strawman)
fading shell
i hate python
manic forum
i hate python
same
gentle grove
I think you should stop spreading misinformation to try and put down languages that are supposedly bad as a meme
wooden yarrow
it compiles down to the same LLVM IR
gentle grove
thats my main point here
wooden yarrow
.
gentle grove
so find some real reasons to dislike it
wooden yarrow
just because you dont use them doesn't mean they're bad
native orbit
the eu should sue arm fr
gentle grove
so find some real reasons to dislike it
or if you cant find any, then reconsider whether it truly is bad
gentle grove
or if you cant find any, then reconsider whether it truly is bad
this is called thinking and you dont do that often
orchid fulcrum
Found the python user /j
native orbit
struggles of the forced 4 byte instruction length 
wooden yarrow
struggles of the forced 4 byte instruction length <:intjsad:808419673020039198>
smh should have just used x86_64
orchid fulcrum
how am i the python user
Thats why there is a /j at the end lmao, since you got mad at c praising messages
wooden yarrow
Thats why there is a /j at the end lmao, since you got mad at c praising message...
it's not c praising it's hating on rust for no reason other than 'looks bad'
gentle grove
it's not c praising it's hating on rust for no reason other than 'looks bad'
and also strawman arguments
wooden yarrow
common human fallacy to dislike things then try to assign a reason for it as to be able to continue hating it
why not just say you hate it for no other reason than you dont like how it looks without saying bs
gentle grove
if you just stopped at "looks ugly" then i wouldnt be so annoyed
i dont like when people propagate misinformation just because they dont like a specific thing
manic forum
okay this is not directly related but what are your opinions on lisp
i've been thinking of learning it recently, it seems weird/interesting
wooden yarrow
at first glance that programming language looks like the sandbox language with all the uses of parenthesis and tabulation
lmao
placid kraken
what are your opinions on V
manic forum
the people who use lisp seem to talk about it as if they ascended to a different realm and are now programming gods
placid kraken
the V language
wooden yarrow
the people who use lisp seem to talk about it as if they ascended to a different...
haskell users
probably
placid kraken
wooden yarrow
https://vlang.io
why does that just look like go
manic forum
whenever i see := i think makefiles what is wrong with me
hasty ruin
fuck makefile
placid kraken
why does that just look like go
lmao idk
manic forum
fuck makefile
makefiles are great
they are so simple
unless you're using someone else's rules
gentle grove
okay this is not directly related but what are your opinions on lisp
I have no.clue
manic forum
cmake is great when it works but is it just me or is the documentation non-existent
placid kraken
for my next trick i will compile switch statements into a while loop with a break at the bottom and an optional break at every case which is now an if statement
gentle grove
the V language
Been a while since i saw that
gentle grove
cmake is great when it works but is it just me or is the documentation non-exist...
ive never seen anythinf cmake does better than meson
hasty ruin
@placid kraken write a tweak in your lang 
gentle grove
meson is easy and simple
placid kraken
<@581573474296791211> write a tweak in your lang <:hm:1158412406167457802>
technically possible i think
manic forum
i can't for my life figure out how to do anything with cmake without going through 50 stackoverflow questions, 10 github projects and reading one cmake doc page 15 times
gentle grove
<@581573474296791211> write a tweak in your lang <:hm:1158412406167457802>
ill write a tweak in rust
gentle grove
No ive never touched ios dev
hasty ruin
wasn't there someone who actually wrote a tweak in rust
aspen
placid kraken
i can’t even get rust to install on ios
the target triple doesn’t exist (i wonder why)
gentle grove
the target triple doesn’t exist (i wonder why)
What
placid kraken
if i compile from source i can probably just build for darwin but i’m not downloading the whole rust source code on my phone
placid kraken
aarch64-apple-ios isnt it?
stage 2
placid kraken
no host tools so no compiling rust on ios itself though
that too
placid kraken
gentle grove
its guaranteed to build
placid kraken
It didnt worj for you?
i tried a while ago and it didn’t work
time to try again now
gentle grove
Trol
wind sequoia
https://vlang.io
ok this is crazy
gentle grove
gentle grove
Twitter
reef trail
<@434097922762735618> https://x.com/RyanEls4/status/1839152923097301129?t=oK7z4c...
i actually don't hate this
frail cedar
cmake is great when it works but is it just me or is the documentation non-exist...
cmake is either
- wow it worked first try
gentle grove
this is why we use meson
native orbit
this is why we use makefile and nothing else
gentle grove
this is why we use makefile and nothing else
unserious
rocky oriole
native orbit
i am the only person in the world that enjoys make
cloud yacht
Idk they use it a lot at procursus
orchid fulcrum
Make/theos is fire ngl
gentle grove
what sucks about meson
Is this another moment where you dont know it well so its automatically bad for no reason
gentle grove
youre thinking of something else
meson is the fastest build system for c/c++ by a long shot
and its definitely native, idk what wouldnt be native
manic forum
marsh yoke
releasing definitely not soon, its gonna be a while
sacred orbit
reef trail
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811493791898664981/1289498685566222346/...
you stole that from theos
give tim his credit
reef trail
releasing definitely not soon, its gonna be a while
where's the skeuomorphism
lean hollow
<@434097922762735618> https://x.com/RyanEls4/status/1839152923097301129?t=oK7z4c...
SROP
I hATE THAT
faint stag
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxpS2OEwdVRNF19br4xQdp4Jwc2nH2wHo0
this isn't surprising though
like
how do you think webkit works
manic forum
how do you think webkit works
it doesn't
acoustic imp
@hasty ruin idk if it was you, but didn't you like post about something how you could hide a CALayer from screenshots or smth?
nvm - #development message
timid furnace
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxpS2OEwdVRNF19br4xQdp4Jwc2nH2wHo0
wait til you learn about JXA
pearl sail
You applying bboawanc?
gentle grove
no because i dont know that stuff
pearl sail
Fair
gentle grove
Twitter
placid kraken
"horrible news for everyone in 1998" LMAOO
clear iron
all Linuxes
shrewd smelt
https://x.com/gamozolabs/status/1839876017563021781?t=nW-I_i_OdB1K8cay4T7gnw&s=1...
$5 to whoever gains access to Gir's servers and DMs me the token
gentle grove
$5 to whoever gains access to Gir's servers and DMs me the token
enable telnet first please
orchid fulcrum
https://x.com/gamozolabs/status/1839876017563021781?t=nW-I_i_OdB1K8cay4T7gnw&s=1...
This is a joke about cusp vuln right ? It seems impactful enough for me and author wasn't this cringe, idk why they are making fun of it
gentle grove
This is a joke about cusp vuln right ? It seems impactful enough for me and auth...
it was overblown imo
i do understand their frustration with it being leaked though
that should not happen
gentle grove
so i have to design and write a language runtime
hasty ruin
unreal better
lofty juniper
social media =/= developers
gentle grove
ill be writing my own physics engine and game engine anyways
lofty juniper
any real game dev forks the engine and fixes it themselves
gentle grove
any real game dev forks the engine and fixes it themselves <:trol:83118867084856...
Youre expecting that game devs know how to do real developmeny
gentle grove
does anyone know what
dyld[5244]: missing symbol called
means?
i dont do apple dev but i can only assume that means you tried to call a function that doesnt exist in the library you loaded
wet pawn
makes sense, one sec
im trying to install theos and yeah im running into an error when pasting the installer in my terminal
gentle grove
interesting
hasty ruin
Which version of macOS are you on
wet pawn
Which version of macOS are you on
im on my jailbroken ipad
hasty ruin
which ios version?
harsh tide
any tweak developers here? looking for someone that can handle a imo simple tweak project, of course paid. More details in DMs and would also appreciate if you guys maybe recommend someone that does custom tweaks 😀
cloud yacht
Nope no tweak developers here
torn oriole
AtDevelopers surely there are no developers here right
kind herald
Aaron tweak developer
reef trail
@sacred orbit, sorry to hear that you're leaving tweak dev but if i can ask one thing before you do leave, would you be open sourcing your paid tweaks? It would help new devs have something to learn from
slim bramble
<@853010009051103272>, sorry to hear that you're leaving tweak dev but if i can ...
No one wants sw*ft tweaks
Ewwww
shrewd moth
<@853010009051103272>, sorry to hear that you're leaving tweak dev but if i can ...
where did he say he's leaving
edgy bluff
any tweak developers here? looking for someone that can handle a imo simple twea...
You can try r/TweakBounty it's pretty active
or just message 0xkuj he is a top dev there
reef trail
any tweak developers here? looking for someone that can handle a imo simple twea...
if you maybe give some details to what the tweak is about someone might be interested
reef trail
or just message 0xkuj he is a top dev there
edgy bluff
<:false:919648474759315456>
how is that false
dude takes every 1 out of 3 bounties lol
fading shell
i want some too tho
First come first serve
fading shell
with hyperion and school
Just drop out duh
blazing warren
harsh junco
Does anyone know how apple’s demoloop executes itself and shows the demo video?
placid kraken
true
lusty jacinth
gentle grove
im.gonna steal some.minor ellekit for mediascript
placid kraken
if you mean the thing i’m making that’s called elle, ellekit is the ios injection framework
gentle grove
why am i not just using JS
is it because i want a language where you can tightly control the effects system i guess
placid kraken
AE uses js
const amplitude = .15;
const frequency = 1.7;
const decay = 2.9;
const calculate_velocity = (given_index) => velocityAtTime(key(given_index).time - thisComp.frameDuration/10);
const calculate_bounce = (
globals = [amplitude, frequency, decay],
indexes = [current_velocity, time_index]
) => current_velocity * amplitude * Math.sin(frequency * time_index * 2*Math.PI) / Math.exp(decay * time_index)
const calculate_time_index = (current_index) => current_index == 0 ? current_index : time - key(current_index).time;
let current_index = 0;
const maximum_time = 6;
if (numKeys > 0) {
current_index = nearestKey(time).index;
if (key(current_index).time > time) current_index--;
}
const time_index = calculate_time_index(current_index)
if (current_index > 0 && time_index < maximum_time) {
let current_velocity = calculate_velocity(current_index)
value + calculate_bounce([amplitude, frequency, decay], [current_velocity, time_index])
} else {
value;
}
i made my own bounce script
gentle grove
AE uses js
Whats ae
gentle grove
is it because i want a language where you can tightly control the effects system...
well i guess using a js runtime is huge
gentle grove
oh
slim bramble
https://github.com/munificent/vigil
not possible
gentle grove
not possible
what do you mean
slim bramble
what do you mean
meant to reply to "safer than rust"
slim bramble
impore and swearseem cool lol
placid kraken
gentle grove
what should i try to do first
- my own wayland compositor like hyprland but actually stable
- video editor framework and scripting language
placid kraken
scripting language
orchid fulcrum
Wayland
gentle grove
1-1 tie
gentle grove
interpreted? compiled?
interpreted, except you ideally do very little actual computation in the language
placid kraken
i wanted to make a very human language earlier
gentle grove
so like everything is monads
gentle grove
you describe the structure of how things should be (like the video processing pipeline) and then that structure gets returned out
then it gets actually performed outside in rust code
placid kraken
First, set a to 1.
Then, increment a by 1.
Then, multiply a by 5.
Finally, print the value of a.
My eyes
mathematicians already have this, its called latex
gentle grove
what would some video pipeline look like
idk probably like haskell but without fucked up syntax so itll just look like any language with method identifiers and pare theses
placid kraken
mechanism of purpose "main"() ->
promulgate unique designator named "a" to #<signed integer literal>1.
conjure "print"(<array of characters>"hello world", <signed floating point literal>1.0, <designator of purpose>$"a").
abscond <unsigned integer literal>0.
in = open_container(open_file("foo.mkv")).map(decode::default);
// takes args (video_streams: [impl VideoStream], audio_streams: [impl AudioStream], ...)
out = matroska_container(in.video_streams.map(encode::vp9), in.audio_streams.map(encode::flac));
out
Syntax would have to depend on me learning more about how stuff works so i know how to structure media pipelimes
gentle grove
that looks a heck of a lot like rust
because i tohugjt thatd be the best way to represent args that i ddint come up with syntax on tje fly
but anyways
idk how to make type systems work
placid kraken
```ts
mechanism of purpose "main"() ->
promulgate unique designator named "a...
new language coming soon
gentle grove
It would be nice if all the libraries were acrually dynamic libs that you load at runtime so its extensible and pluggable
It would be nice to let people write their own filters and stuff in native and have them.compiled and available in the script
placid kraken
idk how to make type systems work
i dont really either, elle's type system works by trying to implicitly convert variables to another type and having strict checks to ensure you cant implicitly convert from a string to an int or an Option<i32> to an Option<string> etc
type theory is so compplicated
gentle grove
i mean not even on that level of theory, just literally how do i make a type system compatible with abi so you can easily deal with foreign ones and can easily make your own stuff
you gotta be able to register types in the runtime i guess and then inspect them
but has ti happen at runtime
placid kraken
i have types in an enum like this
then i have a bunch of introspection methods like display, is_function (and is_unknown, is_string, is_int, is_strictly_int (excludes voidptr and strings)), weight (for type checking, things with the same weight can be bitcasted directly without conversions), size, etc
this is how i do it idk if something like C has a formal definition of it
gentle grove
namespaced types like java are the answer, so you can register types in the mediascript runtime but also be able to receive them back and know theyre the right type (and not one that has the same name but is different)
gentle grove
i have types in an enum like this
I kinda wanna avoid making any of the media/video/audio editing related stuff defined in the runtime
placid kraken
that sounds like a lot of effort
placid kraken
I kinda wanna avoid making any of the media/video/audio editing related stuff de...
fairsies
gentle grove
because otherwise i still have to do the same work figuring oit how ffi works if you make custom extensiond that interact with those types
sucks that i cant make rust type system solve all my problems but conceptually that wont work since that stuff only exists during compile time
placid kraken
i actually had a question about that kind of thing
how does something like C++ compile templated functions into a static library
how do you represent something generic in object files
how do you know the size of a generic struct, how do you represent a generic function
not only do you not know the size but you also cant calculate offsets into the struct because you dont know the size of fields
its something ive always thought about but been too lazy to google
gentle grove
how do you represent something generic in object files
Templates dont go in the object file
if you want to use a template outside of current file, the entire template has to go in the header
placid kraken
oh i see
gentle grove
then c++ compiler generates concrete functions based on the template, and which actual types are used, the template itself doesnt exist past the compiler
placid kraken
lmao yeah i know that much
but thank you that helps
sometimes i forget the C family has header files
gentle grove
so only the generated functions from it being used in code on speciric types gets genrrated in object
placid kraken
yeah
gentle grove
orchid fulcrum
https://vxtwitter.com/ns123abc/status/1840481220188111076?t=kTxoEqju6Ghfy2nyfkwS...
Thats so based
gentle grove
@placid kraken you know the more i think about it, i think i.would encounter the exact same issues relating (de)serialization of objects into yhe runtime, and calling functions
no matter what language i choose (or make), i think i will always have to come up with a way for
- libraries to convert types between the runtime and themselves
- a way for libraries to declare functions in the runtime that call the library's own exported functions
because how else do you do this (cant just compile and ld things because thats not the model im going for)
and both javascript (deno) and lua (mlua) have those two bullets as the way you do stuff
just deno has awful runtime-developer-facing docs so it wasnt quite apparent how you use it
deno has serde support for v8 types and you can declare "ops" which are functions in the runtime that call your own callback
and idk about mlua
lua is gross
gentle grove
mlua has IntoLua and FromLua traits, so same thing
maybe i should use lua even with my dislike for its syntax
lua is definitely intended for this and more battle tested than v8/deno lmao
placid kraken
<@581573474296791211> you know the more i think about it, i think i.would encoun...
the pain of interpreters
it seems to me like this is exactly the same problem as C -> python
how do you get python objects back in C
gentle grove
the pain of interpreters
compiling and linking the entire video script together would be worse thoigh
placid kraken
yeah
gentle grove
I have to figure out how to downcast stuff i guess
gentle grove
This language gets worse every time i do more and more serious work with it
now im doing a deep dive into arrays in c (NOT just pointers)
granite frigate
python and swift interop 😭😭😭
kind wedge
how does nathanLR sign binaries? i know bootstrap used /basebin/fastPathSign but i cant seem to find it here
granite frigate
how does nathanLR sign binaries? i know bootstrap used /basebin/fastPathSign but...
signing binaries for installing packages?
Nathan added it to the dpkg hook i think
It’s not an external binary
granite frigate
build and ct sign a fastpathsign binary on pc and send it over i guess
there isn’t a standalone package
granite frigate
how would i sign binaries created with clang then
cc @visual meadow
visual meadow
how does nathanLR sign binaries? i know bootstrap used /basebin/fastPathSign but...
I integrated it into the hook itself
Instead of using binary
manic forum
python and swift interop 😭😭😭
wtf
placid kraken
now im doing a deep dive into arrays in c (NOT just pointers)
yeah there really isn’t that much to learn about them
dynamic arrays hold a length (amount of elements) and capacity (number of elements that can be held by the memory allocated)
if the length exceeds or is equal to the capacity the capacity grows by some factor, usually double
and then there’s also heavy arrays that hold keys and values and those are usually used for maps i think
gentle grove
yeah there really isn’t that much to learn about them
just the weird way how dynamic arrays just exist
but they have subtle semantic difference from pointer even though in 90% of cases it decays to pointer
placid kraken
??? they are just a pointer
gentle grove
they arent though
placid kraken
the capacity is the size of memory allocated thats pointed to by the pointer
divided by the size of each element i guess
placid kraken
do those resize every time a new element is added?
placid kraken
any array usually is void *, int size, int capacity so the struct fits into 2 bytes
gentle grove
they arent the same thing and i always thought they were
placid kraken
https://x.com/louisb7711/status/1840319456762847697?t=Ng27Bus_ZMQHdyHRHYMTkQ&s=1...
why would the first one fail
because it’s const?
gentle grove
its not const
its a pointer to a string in rodata i believe
or wherever tf you put data but is read only
But str2[] makes it stack allocated i think? Dont quote me on that
placid kraken
why
gentle grove
But in function args then i think it makes no difference
since it decays to pointer
placid kraken
yeah
gentle grove
its the way syntax is reused to mean completely different things
thats stupid
rust found a way to make things make sense so thats not the problem
expression oriented syntax does wonders
placid kraken
rust is also much higher level than c
gentle grove
but that doesnt really mean anything here
and even if you used just c stuff in rust itd be better than rust (but be ridiculous lol)
even zig makes it a tiny bit better based on the little stuff ive looked at
zig is just supposed to be better and more unstable c i think
also the whole void arguments thing, i was never clear on whether thats required or just conceptually better
that second one where & is the same is stupid
placid kraken
it should not be this way and i hate that it is
placid kraken
yeah same
gentle grove
& should make a *str[]
what other quirks do i not know about c unsized array notation now
placid kraken
also the whole void arguments thing, i was never clear on whether thats required...
in elle i actually check for that and ignore it lol
if r#type == Type::Void
&& self.parser.current_token().kind == TokenKind::RightParenthesis
{
if self.parser.warnings.has_warning(Warning::CStyleVoid) {
println!(
"{}",
ty_loc.warning("Elle does not support C-style explicit function prototypes.\nPlease remove the 'void' type from this function's signature.\nThis is a warning, which means the compiler will ignore this.")
)
}
break;
}
so hold on
oh
nvm
that confused me because joemama is 7 long so it looked like null termination vs not
but no
trolled
placid kraken
lmao
gentle grove
oh also about my video thingy i think itll be most fun if proceed with making my own language and runtime
placid kraken
the whole void argument thing really annoys me that it exists at all
gentle grove
it may be a big exercise in ffi though since i want everything (including basic std libraries) to be dynamic libs
placid kraken
good luck
gentle grove
maybe ill make a struct/trait in mediascript called Type and one called Function or Operator or something and then everything is based on that
placid kraken
when would you ever need to explicitly state that a function takes no arguments
gentle grove
SEE
placid kraken
we have a name for that it’s called foo() {}
gentle grove
c is shit, end of stor
y
Wait what was earlier
is it because sizeof is an operator and not a funcrion
oh
so & still makes pointer to array
placid kraken
WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING C IS MORE PRECISE THAN OTHER LANGUAGES WHEN YOU HAVE THIS SHIT IN IT 😭
gentle grove
I guess you just have to not do that
gentle grove
is it because sizeof is an operator and not a funcrion
perhaps?
placid kraken
why would it return a different value
gentle grove
glad im not just crazy
gentle grove
has to be since all of it is just pointers to rodata
gentle grove
i should gloss over smines again and make sure im not messing up anything like this
placid kraken
wait why is the first one 7
gentle grove
i think i make all my strings static for now
gentle grove
wait why is the first one 7
since sizeof tells you the size of array if its an array
gentle grove
null terminator
placid kraken
that’s so cursed
placid kraken
i guess idk
gentle grove
I dont have an issue witj it including the bull terminator
placid kraken
yeah lmao true
strlen would still return the same value right
because it decays to a pointer and it iterates until the null terminator
yeah
gentle grove
ugh
i basically never deal with string manipulation in c
glad that thats the case
placid kraken
next we will see jailbreaks written in cello
gentle grove
if i was a dev id write a jb in rust
as long as the target works
yeah thats what i mean by the target working
kind wedge
build and ct sign a fastpathsign binary on pc and send it over i guess
okay well i just used the ct_bypass binary from the nathanlr github before the commit where it got deleted
this really should be in procursus or something lol
slender glade
I've neverrrrr seen an actual use case of char []
no idea why it's taught to beginners, makes me cringe
timid furnace
I've neverrrrr seen an actual use case of char []
what
timid furnace
do you mean specifically char[] = "string" or char arrays in general?
slender glade
the first
placid kraken
i implemented this thing as part of the language
so now you can do this
its like magic
cloud yacht
Should do Lua length syntax
orchid fulcrum
i implemented this thing as part of the language
Do you intend this to be a realword functional/popular language or is it mainly for personal use/hobby. just wondering
placid kraken
personal use/hobby
there are 1 million issues in random places and the test suite is tiny so there are probably more
i dont want the language to end up being a chore to work on because people are actually using it and need things fixed
as it is right now its fun to work on because things can be broken and noone cares
placid kraken
lmao true
river torrent
for some reason when i compile my tweak and try install it, it says
Depends mobilesubstrate:iphoneos-arm
which im guessing is i've compiled it for rootful, how do i compile it for rootless?
control file:
Package: io.bop.cameraspoofer
Name: CameraSpoofer
Version: 0.1.0
Architecture: iphoneos-arm
Description: An awesome Camera Spoofer tweak!
Maintainer: bop
Author: bop
Section: Tweaks
Depends: mobilesubstrate
thank you!
orchid fulcrum
for some reason when i compile my tweak and try install it, it says
Depends mob...
Also always a good idea to change Architecture to iphoneos-arm64 in the control file
gentle grove
I've neverrrrr seen an actual use case of char []
I guess every time you want an array as value
with the actual semantics of being an array by value
this is how you do with getopt for example
thats what they recommend i mean
it makes sense i guess
in my own function it is an array even if the functions get it as decayed to pointer
radiant idol
Also always a good idea to change Architecture to iphoneos-arm64 in the control ...
no
theos does that automatically
gentle grove
I misread mb
you can call me weird too thougj because i habe some static char[]'s defined in main lmao
do you think i should redo this to const char *
i guess if i do it this way with static const char[] does it technically mean im not adding a pointer to the stack
When should you
And does it make any difference in thsi scenario
Where i made it static
Where
i mean static on the char[]
it makes it not on the stack
thats whar we were talkignabout originally
the same scenario
yeah but its the same thing i think
ill do that but im trying to make sure
do you know if theres any difference
other than sanity
Is there a list of those sections and what they mean
or are they somewhat compiler specific
what about ELF
because fuck macos
native orbit
only macho matters 🗣️
gentle grove
i guess technically its the string literal that goes there and not the char *
where can i see examples for real uses of char[]
native orbit
random gnu sources prolly
native orbit
coreutils got a lot
gentle grove
im gon a finally make dome functiond
orchid fulcrum
theos does that automatically
When you set the scheme to rootless ?
radiant idol
yes
orchid fulcrum
Thats cool it was annoying to change it everytime i create a template
radiant idol
lmao yeah it's not really documented well but it does do that
river torrent
should I use Objective-C or Swift to create tweaks?
is there a recommendation or is it just personal preference
river torrent
alr
kind herald
Idk
gentle grove
bro
my scripting language could solve this
video editing as i was imagining it eould be the exsct same.process
gentle grove
UNSAFE C CODE 🔥
native orbit
hm
u sure thread_set_state aint work
like on ur own proc
why
legit no reason to do that
kind herald
You are
orchid fulcrum
UNSAFE C CODE 🔥
/jk
gentle grove
Twitter
harsh junco
https://x.com/hd_nvim/status/1840474502838534265?t=vguSnt0ItYNWCdhBmDJsRw&s=19
Wait is this even a real symbol
orchid fulcrum
Unironically more readable
placid kraken
ugh
orchid fulcrum
ugh
You have the answers ?
I found (not sure if i understand the question forrectly though)
Z = (1-i)/2
w = (1+4i)/-3
lime pivot
how do you think webkit works
carefully
placid kraken
yeah but with complex numbers
slim bramble
yeah but with complex numbers
doesn't change anything
trail nimbus
sounds exactly like what a teacher would say
fading shell
How hard is it to port ios 14 tweaks to iOS 15?
Really depends on the tweak
river torrent
What about a camera-related tweak?
has the API/camera-handling changed much from iOS 14 to 15
orchid fulcrum
A good way to check is comparing ios14 vs ios15 headers of relevant classes
river torrent
alr thanks
harsh junco
Hear me out:
Define these as { and } and pretend you are writing python code
http://www.unicode.org/Public/security/revision-03/confusablesSummary.txt
orchid fulcrum
This is embarrasing i am in uni and i still think my answer satisfies the equations 💀 (tried one more time, they for sure don't satisfy)
placid kraken
i mean it might why not substitute and try it
but maybe don’t put it in that form
cartesian is much easier to visualize and reason about
visual meadow
no they didnt
hold on
<key>com.apple.private.thread-set-state</key>
<true/>```they just locked it behind an entitlement
oh
also pretty sure they locked it behind that like
mid 16
gentle grove
djd someome ghost ping me here
bruh
@harsh junco i caught you
I SEE THAT
i have notification histiry
placid kraken
who could the the the the the the possibly be
gentle grove
idk maybe the one named the the the the the right above me
clear iron
the the the the the
placid kraken
🦉
wooden yarrow
mid
gentle grove
youre mid
gentle grove
switch to linux
no more stupid apple
correct
forgot there were more advantages even
harsh junco
vm?
gentle grove
should i call it boxscript
because the scripting runtime would be almost like a box similar to std::boxed::Box<T>
you register your own types, your methods that can accept those types, and the script gives you something out like a box
placid kraken
what do i call a programming language where your code is an essa
y
First, set a variable named "a" to the value of 3.
Then, double the variable "a".
Then, subtract 2 from the variable "a".
Finally, print the variable "a". (4)
essayscript
gentle grove
```ts
First, set a variable named "a" to the value of 3.
Then, double the varia...
how flexible is the wording
i feel like Finally should mean return instead of just being the same as "Then"
placid kraken
how flexible is the wording
im planning to make it a sort of macro system to direct IR
which means ideally there would be around 10 variations of wording
also double, set a variable, subtract etc are all functions
(4) is a comment
placid kraken
i feel like Finally should mean return instead of just being the same as "Then"
good idea
omg then i can make functions be paragraphs
gentle grove
First, accept arguments ...
wooden yarrow
```ts
First, set a variable named "a" to the value of 3.
Then, double the varia...
English wylang
gentle grove
then first isnt the same as Then
the more i think about this the more i am just making a small JVM
rscript
oh but r exists
rvm doesnt sound good if i make it the Rust Virtual Machine
placid kraken
"Custom Add":
First, accept arguments named "a" and "b".
Finally, add "a" and "b".
Summary:
First, set a variable named "result" to the value of "Custom Add" with 1 and 2.
Then, print the variable "result". (3)
Finally, do nothing.
summary is the main function
placid kraken
<program> ::= <statement> | <statement> <program>
<statement> ::= <expression> | <function_definition>
<function_definition> ::= <function>':' <argument_definition> <expression_list>
<argument_definition> ::= 'First, accept arguments named ' <arg_list> '.'
<arg_list> ::= <arg> | <arg> ',' <arg_list>
<arg> ::= '"' <identifier> '"'
<expression_list> ::= <expression> | <expression> <expression_list>
<expression> ::= <line> | <return>
<line> ::= 'Then, ' <declare> | <retrieve> | <call> | <noop> '.'
<return> ::= 'Finally, ' <retrieve> | <call> | <noop> '.'
<declare> ::= 'set a variable named ' '"' <identifier> '"' 'to the value of' <call> | <number> | <retrieve>
<retrieve> ::= 'get a variable named ' '"' <identifier> '"'
<call> ::= <function> 'with' <param_list>
<noop> ::= 'do nothing'
<function> ::= '"' <identifier> '"' | <identifier>
<param_list> ::= <param> | <param> ',' <param_list>
<param> ::= <number> | <retrieve> | <call>
<identifier> ::= [a-zA-Z_][a-zA-Z0-9_]*
<number> ::= [0-9]+
i made formal grammar
maybe
gentle grove
```f#
<program> ::= <statement> | <statement> <program>
<statement> ::= <express...
wtf is this
placid kraken
BNF notation
slender glade
Twitter
in case anyone is interested in reading, I wrote a bit of a detailed writeup on remote views
@granite frigate @manic forum
river torrent
for some reason AVFoundation being a dummy and says there's no video tracks inside my .mov file even though ffmpeg states it does
and yes it's referring to the correct file as outputted in console
ooh ty
is there a better path?
that won't get me trolled ☠️
store a .mov file temporarily
nope
Is there a way to see per-tweak logs?
Camera app
AVFoundation(Camera)
ah alr all im doing for logs is adding a "[VCam Tweak]" prefix and filtering out console by that string
granite frigate
<@413331641109446656> <@448121249223147530>
Heyyyyyyyy im wasterddddddd
Whatsyop
ppp
Hahahhahahahaha
river torrent
NSLog, i saw that and i think i use it lmao
oh sheesh
I'll try /tmp/ first(mainly bcs i already compiled the tweak just now)
and see if it works
It's not necessarily injecting to the Camera app itself, it's hooking into AVCaptureVideoPreviewLayer, AVCaptureSession and basically overwritting the buffer
Virtual Camera tweak for ios 15 🙏
alr
yep ur right, sandbox fucking w me
slender glade
Heyyyyyyyy im wasterddddddd
i'll remind me when you aren't 😭
river torrent
alr noted
alr 😹
/tmp/ doesn't auto-purge or anything right?
ah makes sense
in that case no i need some form of persistence
whole OS
the tweak works globally on any app that uses AVFoundation pretty much
TikTok, Snapchat, Camera App
the temp file is based on user-input
You select a video/image from your gallery
and it'll get stored in cache somewhere(incase the user deletes the file from gallery)
like a copy gets stored
and if they select another file, old one gets removed/overwritten
fk
how do tweaks such as Eneko
store their stuff
is it just based on gallery?
hm
ah i see
reading through console is such a mess bro
alr alr
so that's that rootful jailbreaks pretty much are
it allows tweaks outside of their sandbox?
like if this was a rootful tweak, I wouldn't have this issue
oh fr?
yay 😭
I mean
what if I just made it based off gallery?
If you delete the video off gallery, RIP for u then
like it will have a path to gallery
rather than cached file
libsandy it is
yeah
yippee :D
It doesn't seemt o be creating the temp.mov file in /tmp/ either way
oh my console isnt consoling
nvm just had to start/stop
yep
being a tweak developer must be so painful
makes sense why there isn't that many tweak devs
river torrent
yep bruh
400k messages in 20~ seconds
i wonder what iOS jailbreak devving is like
reverse engineering IPSW files must be hell
I mean I wanna get into it or atleast have an understanding of it
rn im just reading BlueFox ARM RE book rn(first one)
oof 😭
i can imagine since u find a bunch of dead ends
and keep doing random shit pretty much to see if you expose a vuln
fair enough 😭
oof
i mean
i wonder how many
jailbreak devs
apple has stolen
i wonder what they do now
do they need to sign an agreement saying they'll never release jailbreaks ever again or smth
crazy bro
couldn't u just put 0 effort on purpose
or if u find a vuln, keep it a secret on purpose lmao
weary heath
couldn't u just put 0 effort on purpose
And lose your job?
river torrent
And lose your job?
or if u found one kepe it a secret idk*
tbf ur not the only one devving jbs so doubt you'd be the only one
weary heath
Would probably violate your work contract
river torrent
oh yeah true
yeah and overall money talks
crazy how
u have a piece of hardware in ur hand
and its a pain in the ahh to jailbreak it
yeah oof.
weary heath
Sideloading is good enough for me but I can live without that too
weary heath
If only they were as attainable as iPhones
slender glade
and freedom over device
We do too but they’re just not as important as having a secure phone
They’re mutually exclusive
slender glade
more freedom = less security*** brainfk
No it’s not lmao
river torrent
^ word
river torrent
No it’s not lmao
OPS
I MEAN
T
I MEANT
more freedom = less security
like
android users have less security compared to apple
but they still be loving android
why cant ios be the same broo
weary heath
Android security is pretty good it just gives you the ability to disable its safeguards
Which you could argue makes it less secure
river torrent
custom ROMs, rooting etc
weary heath
It’s only less secure because of the human turning it off
slender glade
Android security is pretty good it just gives you the ability to disable its saf...
It’s okay but it’s leagues below iOS’ imo
river torrent
hm
weary heath
I think these days they’re mostly the same
slender glade
Definitely not
weary heath
Oh security
river torrent
androids allow u to install APKs with a simple button, iOS requires u to have some knowledge of signing certs and stuff
slender glade
androids allow u to install APKs with a simple button, iOS requires u to have so...
Even past that
weary heath
Idk much about the differences security wise but I do know zerodium pay more for android 0 clicks than iOS
river torrent
ios 0 click is crazy
slender glade
CoreTrust, Sandbox, AppleMobileFileIntegrity, entitlements, PAC/PPL, TXM
river torrent
ios 0 click is crazy
it's called an EMP device 😹
slender glade
All either better than android counterparts or in some cases an android counterpart doesn’t exist
river torrent
CoreTrust, Sandbox, AppleMobileFileIntegrity, entitlements, PAC/PPL, TXM
SEP
also doesnt android have that vuln that's like
unpatchable or smth
if u have like an older android vers
you're susceptable to a bluetooth keyboard connecting to ur device ☠️
slender glade
iOS does too
slender glade
visual representations of how iOS works in a nutshell
Good idea but it’d be so long lol
river torrent
like im still trying to understand how operating systems fundamentally work
you have the kernel
drivers run on the kernel(ring 0)
and u have the user-level where all ur apps run
the iOS kernel is XNU
each app is sandboxed meaning they can only access their own shit, nothing else
some exceptions depending on permissions given(photos, files)
and there's still the security part i need to learn such as SEP, Code-Signing/Certs
but for the time being i need to learn how tweaks work but it's relatively straightforward
u hook into methods/functions in a process/framework and you can basically make it execute ur own code prty much
also any way to make this stfu?(it compiles so idk why it's yelling)
reef trail
also any way to make this stfu?(it compiles so idk why it's yelling)
make commands
slender glade
but for the time being i need to learn how tweaks work but it's relatively strai...
Functions have addresses in memory
When you change this address
It calls your exchanges function
reef trail
`make commands`
if you're using theos which im guessing you are ^
river torrent
if you're using theos which im guessing you are ^
I am, alr thanks
river torrent
`make commands`
nope didn't work, still says that annoying thing
oh wait nah it says make: *** No rule to make target 'command'. Stop.
hasty ruin
I’m with the Inc on this one.
torn oriole
I’m with the Inc on this one.
is it because of swift
hasty ruin
yes
torn oriole
oh
gentle grove
It’s okay but it’s leagues below iOS’ imo
not on pixels' default pixel os, at least
grapheneos is significantly better security than ios even
but yeah most androids are pretty bad
i know i like to make fun of ios for not having verified boot until ios 15 but thats just one smaller detail and ios definitely has more of them down than the majority of other android manufacturers
pixel OS is very solid overall
im pretty sure they have MTE and PAC enabled too on pixel 8 and up (theyre the first ones to have the hardware support)
and pixels have an SEP equivalent
apps are sandboxed and permissioned just like ios
gentle grove
im pretty sure they have MTE and PAC enabled too on pixel 8 and up (theyre the f...
its not enabled by default on stock pixel OS apparently
i guess because it creates rare compatibility issues for badly written apps with native interfaces
native orbit
torn oriole
"how can you tell"
gentle grove
"how can you tell"
i am unsure of what it considers system data
is user data "system data"
because it seems to include it
torn oriole
things without an immediate category
gentle grove
is .bs extension taken for BoxScript
i need a better name
bscript
or should i make it shortened
Bscri
see if i call if b script, people are tempted to shorten it to "B"
thats a name conflict
vscript exists apparently, for source engine
gentle grove
I wanna write my own printing stack
river torrent
You know how if you want to downgrade, it will only work if the version you’re downgrading to is being signed
How does that process work?
wooden yarrow
How does that process work?
- Version info and device info is sent to Apple's servers
- Apple's servers signs the firmware using their private keys, and gives you the signature along with other info
- The firmware component is sent to the device
- The device BootROM verifies that the components are signed only by Apple's private key
- It boots if it succeeds, and not if not
river torrent
1. Version info and device info is sent to Apple's servers
2. Apple's servers si...
What if you intercepted the request with MITM proxy and if you wanted to downgrade at a later date just replay the request sent by Apple?
wooden yarrow
What if you intercepted the request with MITM proxy and if you wanted to downgra...
yes, that's what Cydia's servers did, but from A5 and above there's a nonce that's only on the device for a time between 2 reboots
river torrent
So
-
Device & Version info gets sent
-
Apple Signs it
-
Capture the request being sent by Apple in home network and store it somewhere
river torrent
yes, that's what Cydia's servers did, but from A5 and above there's a nonce that...
How does the nonce impact it exactly?
Does the nonce get sent too?
wooden yarrow
How does the nonce impact it exactly?
the nonce also gets sent to apple's servers and gets signed too, and the device verifies that the signed nonce matches the current device nonce
wooden yarrow
yeah no problem, common question trol
river torrent
It was just like a random thought in my head like why can’t we do that but I guess not rip
Nonce is stored inside the kernel right
wooden yarrow
stored in the NVRAM that's only accessible with sufficient privileges
the nonce was settable actually, which is why people were able to downgrade up until iOS 15
then from iOS 16 onwards there was Cryptex, which ruined compatibility and also needed a nonce, but one which couldn't be set properly
thus we are in the state where we cannot downgrade from 16 and up
river torrent
the nonce was settable actually, which is why people were able to downgrade up u...
Oh damn
But theoretically if you could make it so that the nonce doesn’t change you’d be able to downgrade assuming you have the original intercepted requests
wooden yarrow
SEP and the Baseband also have nonces, but latest firmwares for those can be compatible with older versions, so the latest firmware was flashed
river torrent
Or are there other caveats?
wooden yarrow
But theoretically if you could make it so that the nonce doesn’t change you’d be...
yes
well
in order to restore
i think it reboots at least once
so the nonce would be ruined
(?)
wooden yarrow
so the nonce would be ruined
oh you said "doesn't change", yes that's what jailbreaks allow
(kinda, it just sets the nonce to a known value for next reboot)
wooden yarrow
the ones for iOS 15 and under allow for that, yes
but from 16 onwards there's no point
can't set Cryptex nonce
river torrent
I wonder how iOS 16 jailbreaks were developed
I need to look into how iOS internals work first
wooden yarrow
I wonder how iOS 16 jailbreaks were developed
just the usual, utilization of patched kernel exploits to exploit the kernel on older versions
river torrent
With XNU and everything
river torrent
just the usual, utilization of patched kernel exploits to exploit the kernel on ...
Ah alr
Oh and roughly how long do people spend a day looking for exploits
wooden yarrow
that just depends on the person
wooden yarrow
not something i would know unfortunately
river torrent
alr alr ty 🙏
river torrent
wow nobody has srsly msged in this channel for nearly a day
hasty ruin
balls
river torrent
anyways, my tweak doesn't seem to be picking up libsandy
and yes i've included it:
#include <libSandy/libSandy.h>
and inside my makefile
TTtest_FILES = Tweak.x
TTtest_CFLAGS = -fobjc-arc -I$(LIBSANDY_PATH)/include
# Link against libSandy
TTtest_LIBRARIES = sandy
oh sh i dont think thats an actual lib func
is there any docs?
orchid fulcrum
river torrent
ohh it's within the repo ty
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE plist PUBLIC "-//Apple//DTD PLIST 1.0//EN" "http://www.apple.com/DTDs/PropertyList-1.0.dtd">
<plist version="1.0">
<dict>
<key>AllowedProcesses</key>
<array>
<string>*</string>
</array>
<key>Conditions</key>
<array>
<dict>
<key>ConditionType</key>
<string>FileExistance</string>
<key>FilePath</key>
<string>/var/mobile/Library/Caches/temp.mov</string>
<true/>
</dict>
</array>
<key>Extensions</key>
<array>
<dict>
<key>type</key>
<string>file</string>
<key>extension_class</key>
<string>com.apple.app-sandbox.read</string>
<key>path</key>
<string>/</string>
</dict>
<dict>
<key>type</key>
<string>file</string>
<key>extension_class</key>
<string>com.apple.app-sandbox.read-write</string>
<key>path</key>
<string>/var</string>
</dict>
</array>
</dict>
</plist>
Not entirely sure if I've done my plist correctly since sandbox is denying it
I want all processes to have access to temp.mov
indicated with an asterisk(*)
<string>*</string>
but I've successfully applied the profile though
cloud yacht
wow nobody has srsly msged in this channel for nearly a day
Ah yes 9 hours is nearly a day
river torrent
midday*
indigo peak
but I've successfully applied the profile though
vcam!
wish i had time to finish mine
slim bramble
but I've successfully applied the profile though
How lol
I'm stuck with it not working too
I'm getting status code 2 
river torrent
I'm stuck with it not working too
fr?
river torrent
wish i had time to finish mine
yeah I'm porting it to iOS 15
idk how the original tweak doesn't have sandboxing problems
cuz i have sandboxing issues and i need to use libSandy to give access
river torrent
How lol
create the .plist file with tweak_FileAccess
You can use the template provided in the github repo
import libsandy in ur main tweak file and do libSandy_applyProfile("Tweak_FileAccess");
and voila
but my issue is:
so maybe im doing smth wrong
cant output to my logs file either
oh shit
wait
didn't know i had to add /private
???