off-topic

[livid plover]

reinstall windows time

[left heart]

it also doesn't respect color calibration

which is insane considering it's a photo viewer

[amber sparrow]

Answer my question!

[vernal current]

???????

[left heart]

#off-topic message

[vernal current]

that was directed at me??

i dont even understand what the question is

[amber sparrow]

It was right below your post....

Is fancy zones/power toys currently running?

[vernal current]

i dont know what either of those are

[left heart]

do you have anything that looks like this in your tray

[vernal current]

no

[amber sparrow]

Then burn windows to the ground and use TempleOS

[vernal current]

and sorry i didnt mean to ignore you, i didnt even think that was directed at me

[amber sparrow]

I believe you.....this time

[vernal current]

👀

i never heard of those applications before...so i thought you were talking about something else

what do they do btw?

[amber sparrow]

Lots of stuffs

Like...a ton

But I had an issue where nothing would open in the location/size I closed it from

[vernal current]

i dont really add much extensions or customizations on PC

[amber sparrow]

It's included in windows 11 iirc

[vernal current]

then i never saw it

i just checked and dont see it on my pc

[amber sparrow]

I currently have to use power toys to fully disable my f7 key otherwise it spams over and over. Even with the actual switch removed

[left heart]

wat

[vernal current]

most of the stuff i add to my PC is usually related to OBS or recordings

[amber sparrow]

Yea. Fucking creepy eh?

[left heart]

I'm wondering wtf is even happening to cause that

just a normal mech kb, right? not electrostatic?

[amber sparrow]

I notice it because I'll be in the middle of playing RL using roller, then all of a sudden my input keeps rapidly switching between roller and keeb

Behavior persists across multiple keebs

[left heart]

O_O

okay probably not a hardware issue then

that's bizarre

[livid plover]

windoooooze

[amber sparrow]

My guess is windows is drunk

[left heart]

less creepy though, that's for sure

[vernal current]

windows is only 11

why are you making it drunk

[amber sparrow]

Underage boozing makes even more sense

[livid plover]

windows is a liar

[amber sparrow]

The weird part too is it isn't right away. Sometimes it's within a few minutes of a reboot, other times it's like 2-3 hours

[open rune]

Irfanview baby

[vernal current]

sapiens

matty is giving booze to underage kids

[amber sparrow]

ViewDeez

[vernal current]

what can you do about it?

[open rune]

Depends on the kind of booze

[vernal current]

so you will enable him?

[livid plover]

why not. maybe something fun will happend

[amber sparrow]

He can't disable me that's for sure

[open rune]

I might enable myself

[livid plover]

you just need to film it, meme it, and monetize the memery

[left heart]

yeah, I have irfanview and imageglass, both show calibration correctly

so does digikam

[amber sparrow]

You got a monitor calibration thingy @left heart ?

[left heart]

yes

[amber sparrow]

Can I borrow it?

[open rune]

I have IrfanView for basic format changes or resizing or mashing together and paint.NET for everything else. I am a simple man

[left heart]

I'll fax it over

[amber sparrow]

Perfect

867-5309

[left heart]

jenny jenny...

[open rune]

Irfanview is great though, if you don't need anything fancy it's so lightweight and snappy and old looking

[left heart]

why is that song so creepy btw

[amber sparrow]

Most typical 80s behavior was

[open rune]

I keep it next to my WinRAR license

[livid plover]

❤️

[copper notch]

I use Imageglass, but it's more a random choice of what showed up first when searching

[marsh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_flF14PtY New Nikon 6 III teaser O_O

[amber sparrow]

Early father's day gift

[prisma dove]

infused with the dark side

[amber sparrow]

Just like me

[opaque halo]

Nah Matty, you infused with Lite

[silver fable]

Coors Lite

[sudden adder]

No, Matty Ice

[amber sparrow]

Smirnoff ice do be tasty

[sudden adder]

I liked Smirnoff Triple Black myself when it was sold

[opaque halo]

Do miss Pete's Wicked Ale

[prisma dove]

oooo

Pete's Wicked Winter Brew was my favorite.

[opaque halo]

For sure!! Haven't found any ales that are quite like Pete's. Plenty to choose from that are "better" but miss that classic taste.

[prisma dove]

I stopped drinking ales and beers during covid. Sometimes I get one when m'lady and I are out for meals, but I got burnt out from every local brewer in northern california trying to "out-hop" each other. Now I like to try different gins and gin drinks, and I'm collecting local wines from times when wildfires were raging during that year's grape growth and harvest. 2016, 17 and 18 were great years for those reds. I think I found some more from 2020 and 2021, but I need to do more research. 🍷

[opaque halo]

Couldn't agree more - will be happy when the HOPPED UP IPA fad fades... along with the sours. I've started swaying into Scotch and Bourbon. There's a few brewers out in the west of the state. Would love to catch the Bacon, Beer and Bourbon fest one of these days.

[prisma dove]

damn, the 3 B's food groups

[opaque halo]

https://baconbeerbourbon.com/

[sudden adder]

Fourth B. Blackjack

[opaque halo]

Or Beef 🙂

[sudden adder]

the only thing missing from this is slight misspellings...

support for OBS Browser Source when?

/s

[terse helm]

Seguri-Dad TPM lol

dad joke if I've ever seen one

[copper notch]

Ever since AMD launched Zen 4 X3D I've wondered if the 12-core variant would survive, as it seemed to be a product in search of a use case. Someone gaming would be better off with either the 8-core or 16-core X3D or non-X3D chips as they have 8 cores on one chiplet. Someone favouring multithreading for productivity would be better off with the 16-core variants. All the tech reviewers of the time seemed to think the same thing. Now here we are a year and a half later and...
12-core X3D is $100CAD cheaper than the non-X3D variant. Seems they can't get rid of them.

I speculate that Zen 5 will just have 8-core and 16-core X3D parts. A 6-core variant might make sense as product tiered in performance between the 6-core and the 8-core variants, but I doubt we'll see a 12-core Zen 5 X3D.

I don't think they will make sense until AMD switches to 16-core CCDs across the standard lineup, which I speculate wont happen until either Zen 6 or 7 in 2-4 years. With 16-core chiplets they can have pared down 14/12/10/8/whatever core variants potentially with unified L3, which would then make a 12-core X3D viable for gaming.

[wheat karma]

I haven't been keeping up with latest hardware, why's the x3d variant cheaper again?

[terse helm]

presumably because no one is buying it

the X3D variants are better for gaming but at the same time for maximum performance you want all your game's cores on the same CCD

the -50X3D has a 2 CCDs with 6 cores each

while the others have 8 cores per CCD

(and then either one or two CCDs)

[wheat karma]

Kinda useless when it only supports max 240hz, I need 500hz smooth browsing experience

[carmine ibex]

7900X3D was 330 USD and 7950X3D was 500 USD
wild it's saying 750 there.. must be AUD?

[jade pagoda]

how the heck do i fix this ive tried everything

[carmine ibex]

I would 100% choose a 7900X3D over a 7700X
unless you get a good 7700X deal.. but I think it's usually not far off in price KEKW
unless you get a microcenter bundle.. those usually have 7700x and motherboard and ram for not that much more than the processor can be had by itself

[copper notch]

7900X3D is 6+6, the 7950X3D is 8+8, I presume you just made a typo there though

[terse helm]

eh, yes

that's what I meant

[copper notch]

What I'd really like to see though, is for them to make a 9960X3D, with an 8-core CCD with X3D, and a 16-core Zen5c CCD. 24 core, 48 threads, with best gaming performance and best multithreading

The only thing stopping them is lack of competition from Intel.

The IO die supports it.

[terse helm]

[copper notch]

If Intel doesn't give them a reason to release the product in the Zen 5 timeframe I'm pretty sure they'll do it in Zen 6 timeframe though. Also worthy of note is that they will have a 32-core chiplet in time for Zen 6, intended for Epyc, so they could have 8+32 or 16+32 in Zen 6 timeframe also.

[tall vapor]

8+32 or sth like that likely not, tbf

unless they wanna go absolutely ridiculous with the segmentation

and release north of 2 dozen CPUs per generation per socket/platform

[copper notch]

I don't expect them to release such a product to market for Zen 6, but to have the capability of doing so in the lab.

[tall vapor]

sure

they also have the capacity to do an 8+7+6+5, for that matter

[copper notch]

The current IO die, can be connected to any combination of 2 8 or 16 core chiplets, so they could release a 32 core desktop product right now if they wanted to.

8+7+6+5?

[tall vapor]

16? Unsure if the 4D chiplets are compatible with the desktop am5 iod, tbf

[tall vapor]

on tr/epyc 😅

[copper notch]

AMD has confirmed that the desktop IO die is compatible with the 4c/5c 16-core chiplets.

[tall vapor]

ah neat

[copper notch]

And they've said that they can make desktop variants using it if market dynamics warrant it. It just has not yet happened.

[tall vapor]

they just don't have a reason to. Weren't the zen2 chiplets also compatible with vcache, technically?

unsure

[copper notch]

Personally I'm hoping that they are able to shrink the die down further to be able to add back the L3 cache they removed to fit 16 cores on the dense die, and unify it across all 16 cores, then switch to 16-core chiplets as standard for Zen 6 or 7.

Yes, Zen 2 was X3D ready but they did not have X3D working yet.

[tall vapor]

the d cores also are smaller as is, excluding the L3 that is. They're more densely packed. Less clock potential due to that, of course

[copper notch]

They make a lot of prototypes of things that don't get released to market. There is a 5900X3D and 5950X3D in the lab, with both chiplets with X3D for example. They showed the latter to Steve Burke when he toured their lab.

yep

But with the node shrinks they can do with 3nm, 2nm and beyond, they will be able to fit the L3 back.

[tall vapor]

I'm very interested in what a potential sd2 would look like, in that regard. Would they do all dense cores? a hybrid setup like phoenix2 got going on?

[tall vapor]

issue is that cache doesn't scale well at all (in terms of phys dimensions)

[copper notch]

I don't think they'd go all dense cores on desktop as they'd nerf it for gaming

Another possibility is 16c with one or two layers of X3D.

[tall vapor]

sd2 as in steamdeck2. Yes, less clock potential due to them being D cores... but ye were never gonna make use of that potential anyway

[copper notch]

SD2 will probably use strix or strix halo I imagine

[tall vapor]

nah, it's still a while out

and will very likely be fully custom

[copper notch]

could be, Valve has the bux for it now I imagine

[tall vapor]

with the sd1 they shared a chip with an AR glasses/headset manufacturer iirc. But the chip for the deck oled got the parts for that thing removed already, ie it's deck oled only&nothing else. So yeah.

the logical next step would be for the deck2 to just be fully custom outright

[copper notch]

It is speculation, but I believe by 2028 AMD's consumer lineup will be built from 16 core chiplets with full L3 as a standard evolution of Zen, based on extrapolating from public data, and from looking at how Zen 1 matured gen over gen for 6 generations so far.

[tall vapor]

so slappin 6 or even 8 of whatever D core that gen will be on there would just make sense

[copper notch]

Since they've got the 16 core variants already, to make them suitable for replacing the 8-core desktop chiplets now, they need to get that L3 back, keep the clocks up, and keep the chip cool. I think they'll get there within 4 years no sweat with TSMC's new nodes and things like backside power delivery etc.

[tall vapor]

ye, ryzen 7 will be 16c in due time

[copper notch]

Even if they are 8+8 CCX split cache like Zen1/+/2 were, it'd be viable for the same reasons the early Zen chips were. Inter-CCX cache latency would be small enough to work fine for consumer chips.

However I think they are likely going to be able to do it with a unified L3 by then without worrying about yields etc.

[tall vapor]

infinity fabric is gonna be replaced anyway. We saw the first implementation of the replacement with navi31 in the consumer space already

[copper notch]

If not, they might have one gen with a split cache. But when they have unified cache it will be nice because the base chips will all end up with 64MB of L3 available to any thread.

And that is before any stacked X3D

[tall vapor]

that's obv gonna make it's way to CPUs too

[copper notch]

Yeah, I get the impression something didn't work out right with that in RDNA3 tho

[tall vapor]

ye, rdna3 (navi31 to be exact, the smaller chips weren't mcm) was an early view of that

even the navi31 implementation was way better than infinity fabric already, but GPUs.... phew

you get the point 😅

[copper notch]

The other reason I think they'll have all this working by 2028, if not 2027 or sooner, is that the consoles have 8 year lifecycles, and the next gen consoles are slated for 2028 release. There is no way game consoles will be viable to run with 8 CPU cores from 2028 through 2036 IMHO with game engines already able to max out 8 cores and potentially use more than that, and with AI being the big buzzword. Games will be using AI for lots of stuff before the end of the decade, and 8 core CPUs will be weaksauce. So I believe the next gen consoles will be 16 cores, and for that to be economically viable and performant I think they're going to have to use 16-core chiplets. No way will consoles get 16-core chiplets before consumer desktop does.

[tall vapor]

I think the next is also gonna be the first console gen where we see MCM in the first place

[copper notch]

Do you think they'll use MCM in the console GPUs?

[tall vapor]

Maybe an SOC comprised of a combined gpu&io die and a cpu chiplet?

the current CPUs on the desktop already got a teeny tiny GPU in it too.... massively scaled up ver of that would make sense

[copper notch]

RDNA5 is supposed to prove their fancy MCM design, but they've yet to prove themselves on that. I do suspect it will be RDNA5 or 6 in the next gen consoles though.

I do think the consoles are likely to have half the L3 though as they do now. To fit all that silicon in the package they gotta compromise somewhere.

[tall vapor]

zen6 is also supposed to be the first to abandon IF if me crystal ball be correct

[tall vapor]

half the l3? nope.

They're already cut down as compared to desktop zen2 (current gen)

now here's the question....

[marsh helm]

amd did hint that 3d cache will have a different design

thats all they said

[tall vapor]

will the next consoles even be an soc still?

[tall vapor]

improving it, yes. Nothing said abt a new design, though

[tall vapor]

likely to be, yes

isn't allowed to be too massive either, though

and well... things just don't scale like they used to

they just don't

[marsh helm]

yep

strix stuff is pushing what an apu can do

[tall vapor]

stares at strix halo

[marsh helm]

and its more expensive vs just a disrete gpu and cpu

[copper notch]

I just searched around Google and couldn't quickly find official info, but it seems the PS5 has 8MB of L3, which if true is even lower than I expected.

[marsh helm]

the new xbox for 2024

being just a paint job

sucks

they didnt even upgrade cooling

[stoic kernel]

do you really need a new model of xbox tho?

[marsh helm]

or at least they didnt mention any changes

yes the xbox s sucks

[stoic kernel]

or PS for that matter

[tall vapor]

that'd cost money

[marsh helm]

ps5 is slower vs the x

microsoft just spent 60 billion on game companies that closed half of

[stoic kernel]

it just feels like the consoles are way younger since the slow trickle of games for them from covid

[marsh helm]

theres no chance that investment will pay off

[tall vapor]

xbox as a whole...

[stoic kernel]

the embracer group gambit

[marsh helm]

death of the whole gaming industry

[copper notch]

They better hope all the games showed off at the recent Xbox showcase are 10/10

[marsh helm]

now nobody is investing into games

its almost impossible to find any investers

[tall vapor]

gosh I wish for consoles to just die out already. The steamdeck showed plenty well that we just don't need em no more&haven't in quite some time

[stoic kernel]

you had savy games group (Saudis) but they also slowed down a bit

[livid plover]

Make consoles into living room pc's really

[marsh helm]

they dont know what they are doing

[copper notch]

Good, investors leads to microtransactions. 🙂

[marsh helm]

they just throw money at things

[tall vapor]

yep. Mass produced PCs of a unified design

[stoic kernel]

yes, that's what public companies do

acquire

[tall vapor]

that's it

[marsh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVsmaZGOYu4

this ant game looks pretty

how many fps will it run tho

[stoic kernel]

well there is a certain advantage of having a unified design. If it works on one, it works on all

[tall vapor]

that's what consoles already are even tho we keep pretending that they aren't

[stoic kernel]

and their pricing was pretty agressive with the combination of game pass

[tall vapor]

I was talking about the price standpoint. Economies of scale

[stoic kernel]

felt perfect for someone who didn't want to deal with anything at the end of the day and just sit on the couch and play a game with a press of a button after a long day of work

[marsh helm]

i expect game pass to be $20 by the end of the year

or have game pass +

[tall vapor]

that's exactly what me deck does, and yet it's not a console

[marsh helm]

microsoft wants to make it so they can make all of their games be a subscription service

like movies are doing soo well just being streamed now....

[tall vapor]

good that the whole subscription service model hasn't been destroying games for years now /s

[copper notch]

Microsoft wanted people to buy the Zune too

[marsh helm]

its going to explode

and more game devs will be out of job

[tall vapor]

no need to make good games, just produce filler material to supply to the constant feed of new titles that nobody's ever gonna play

[copper notch]

Naw, they'll just switch jobs. They'll end up working at CDPR, who seems to be hiring everyone up. 🙂

[marsh helm]

eww CDPR

i really dislike them now

they are super corpo

stright up lying to consumers and sony

i cant trust them

[tall vapor]

ya can't trust anyone, to be fair.

[marsh helm]

this is why i mod games

[copper notch]

They screwed up, but they sorted it out over time. When their next game comes out (First Witcher game in new trilogy) in a few years, then we'll find out where things are at.

[marsh helm]

i expect teh witcher to also be crap

for 2 years

[tall vapor]

ooohh the next couple of years are gonna be GREAT

with all the ai garbage

mmmmhhh

[marsh helm]

this is why i play only old games

[tall vapor]

They'd get better writing If they just let their cats walk across keyboards

[copper notch]

Sure, some people are going to expect that based on CP2077's bad release, however the company screwed up and they know they did and admitted it, then set out to fix it, restructured their development process, cleaned house, and sorted the game out over time. I think they bit off more than they could chew and it became bigger than what they could handle at the time, but they turned it around and have their house in order now.

[tall vapor]

it's gonna be abysmal

[marsh helm]

they didnt clean house

they gave them all promotions and big bonuses

nobody got fired for that lol

they all walked away with millions

[copper notch]

The game and expansion are getting recent reviews of 93-95%, which is a huge turnaround from how things started. But even when the game was in its worst possible state, it never dropped below 76% positive rating on Steam, which is saying a lot.

[marsh helm]

yeah that ppl are sheep

[copper notch]

A lot of people left the company and some were fired for workplace issues.

A lot of people subsequently came back to the company after they sorted out their problems though.

[marsh helm]

i dont think those were ppl that had any lvl of control tho

the board is the same

remember the board told investors to ignore the drama as they still expected to make 10x the costs of dev back in the first few years anyways

they dont care at all about the shit they put out

they are willing to lie to sony

[copper notch]

Everyone will have their own take, and different levels of trust naturally, but I think that they learned some hard lessons and are on the right foot again, but that they will need to prove it with what they do in the future. They earned a lot of trust back, but they don't have room to do another major screwup or that will not be taken well.

[marsh helm]

they learned nothing besides lying to ppl makes billions

[copper notch]

We'll find out when the new trilogy launches in late 2026 or early 2027 (I predict), or if the Molasses Flood game launches before that (If it doesn't get cancelled of course)

[marsh helm]

they are on my do not buy list

its going to take a really long time to get off it

[copper notch]

Personally I'm looking forward to their future games, however if they mega botch the next release or have any major screwups in my own eyes, then I probably wont trust their ability to produce after that. But I think they screwed up, recognized it and sorted themselves out personally.

[marsh helm]

games are taking sooo long to make

its wild

[copper notch]

Understandable. I enjoyed CP but was quite disappointed by how things launched etc. too. I believe that anyone can screw something up, whether a person or a company, but it is how they go about fixing things when they screw up the matters to me. We're all human. They fixed the game over time not only to my expectations but way beyond what I expected, so they earned my trust back.

I really do hope that they don't F up like that again, and that their future games launch in a great state and are received well, but the onus is on them to make it happen now, and people will be watching with much scrutiny for sure, as they should.

[marsh helm]

its going to be some post 2030 game

that i get back to trusting them

[copper notch]

A lot of gamers want huge epic stories in huge open worlds, with complex story lines etc. That takes increasingly longer amounts of time to create. Hopefully new computing power and AI etc. can aide in shortening development timeframes, and improving quality and stability though. Time will tell.

[marsh helm]

there are much better procedural programming now

but hey look at starfield

it had that and its god awful

[copper notch]

They should have 4 Witcher games out before 2030, Cyberpunk sequel, any expansions for them, and possibly any as of yet unannounced spinoffs, so that's a lot of body of work to judge them by then. 🙂

[marsh helm]

and did you see that trailer for dragons age?

theres supposed to be a gameplay trailer today i think

[copper notch]

Yeah, I saw the Xbox showcase

[marsh helm]

the world is hoping its not that bad

because that trailer was HORRIBLE

not gritty

[copper notch]

I thought most of the games looked good in terms of graphics with a couple of exceptions that looked like potato indie games.

[marsh helm]

warhammmer 3 trailers felt waay more like dragon age

vs that did

[copper notch]

Then there was that one game that was like 15fps it seemed.

[marsh helm]

i assume most are

some are 2 years before release lol

[copper notch]

I was like... nice graphics but why even show it if I can count the fps visually

[marsh helm]

you cant get anything to run well that early

[copper notch]

They shouldn't show it then LOL Or fake it with AI or something 😛

[marsh helm]

lol

well true

you need to be at 50fps or higher

or theres massssive artificing

[copper notch]

"Here's our new game: Slideshow Canyon"

[marsh helm]

the only game i wanted to play this month

turned out really bad

so now i got nothing

😢

[copper notch]

Or they reduce the vertical resolution so the game is like 1920x200, and say it was an artistic choice to look cinematic, when in reality it was so the game can get 31fps

[marsh helm]

rofl

well sadly most games that arnt on unreal engine

dont have easy ways to cheat and make games that look good and run well in a trailer

since they arnt made for that use

oh let me show u something

[copper notch]

Well, maybe they need to stop making their games IN a trailer! 😛

[marsh helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBlTbUvx2dM

this is what ppl are seeing and expecting all characters to look like now

its making all of these games look like that have ugly as sin models

[copper notch]

Yeah, saw that in a UE showcase a while back. Cool tech.

[marsh helm]

i want to make a model using it

but im not pretty

[civic quarry]

yeah the trailer had an interesting choice of tone to say the least lol
but the gameplay teaser gave me some hope
https://x.com/dragonage/status/1800196133517660204

[marsh helm]

yeah i just watched that 4 mins ago lol

its still just a set peice tho

we will have to wait 12 hours or so till we see the actual meat and potatos of what the game is

[tall vapor]

@uneven spear Since you wanted me to tell you if the discord data dump contains notes that one takes on people's profiles.... yes, yes it does. account/user.json, at the bottom. The user IDs of the user you assigned em to and the message itself. You're welcome!

[civic quarry]

Look I need somebody's help in OBS to set up alerts and to make sure everything is set up right, all that. I just want to make sure my overlays and everything are lined up and everything matches all good. If someone has the time to just quickly help me it may take like 10:15 minutes that's all, a lot of YouTube videos just don't really explain it and don't help me as much versus someone actually just guiding me and helping me along.

[rare spruce]

How much weight will you gain

[sudden adder]

The weight of the donuts 🙂

[rare spruce]

How much would that be

[sudden adder]

dunno, i didnt weigh the donuts

i ate em

[rare spruce]

Fat Boi don't weigh just eat (this is a joke not trying to offend you or anything just a joke)

[opaque halo]

The correct way to weigh donuts - weight yourself before, weigh yourself after eating donuts then simple subtraction 🙂

[sudden adder]

too much work for donuts 🙂

[silver fable]

I do this, but before and after the aftermath, to see how full of it I really was

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[amber sparrow]

Tis a wet one today

[novel anchor]

/create microfinance picture

[smoky rapids]

Wrong server.

[opaque imp]

🤦🏽‍♀️ thought the rain was starting tomorrow.

[carmine ibex]

$20 discount with Microcenter

[regal lion]

🤮

[amber sparrow]

[prisma dove]

Must be something they ate

[livid plover]

Something in the tea, innit bruv

[marsh helm]

AMD said 7800x3d and non 3d 9000 series cpus will be about the same performance

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-ryzen-7000x3d-will-remain-top-gaming-performer-ahead-of-9000-series-launch

the non gaming performance for 9000 series is pretty big vs 5000 series stuff

[livid plover]

well yeah, cuz x3d just rocks games worlds

[fallow phoenix]

Uwu

[vernal current]

(^^)/

[copper notch]

plus the big AVX-512 boost, FP16 et al.

[somber dew]

hello my clips are really choppy

can anyone help

[wise bay]

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[limpid copper]

what can get me banned of twitch any big rules im new to streaming

[karmic tiger]

https://www.twitch.tv/p/en/legal/terms-of-service/
https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Community-Guidelines?language=en_US

[limpid copper]

alright

[uneven sluice]

Just want to say to the folks here helping: y'all have the patience of several saints

[warped quarry]

I REALLY think OBS staff/mods need to address this. I have YET ANOTHER spammer DMing me, who is ONLY on this server. Doscord themselves do nothing about spam unless it contains a well known link or links to porn site etc. The spammers should be BANNED from the OBS server. If you have nobody to do it, then I will gladly volunteer. 🙂

[civic quarry]

i would recommend disabling DMs on the server but reporting to discord is the best course of action.

[warped quarry]

I need DMs

[gleaming latch]

Random question but iv looked up videos on how to stream with obs iv done everything they have said and when I stream it's still fuzzy is it because of my gpu? Or cpu?

[warped quarry]

And no - Nothing ever happens except to what I said already.

[tall vapor]

OBS staff can't monitor DMs, it would be highly worrisome if they could.

Disable DMs from users you only share this server with&move on

[warped quarry]

No - I agree but they COULD have a bot/address/channel to report spammers.

[warped quarry]

WHY should I have to block EVERYONE for the actions of muppets ?

[tall vapor]

there's still no way to verify it. Discord staff can, so report it to them

[warped quarry]

Screenshots. EVERY other server I am on does and normally does it well.

[civic quarry]

sorry, we do not do that.

[tall vapor]

This server got a diff policy bout that

[warped quarry]

I know. That is the issue,

[uneven spear]

@open rune Am pinging a mod to help prevent backseats, owo.

[civic quarry]

if this is about me i am perfectly capable of speaking to this servers policy in regards to this.

[warped quarry]

I can't imagine how many people have left the server due to spam not being addresed.

As I said. I will HAPPILY volunteer.

Been streaming since 1999. Using OBS for over 7 years. Developer of Twitch APIs and such.

[civic quarry]

our recommendation always has been, and continues to be, that you should report directly to discord and disable DMs for the server if you do not want to receive DMs from random people.

reporting to discord ensures they are actually banned.

[civic quarry]

you work for twitch?

[warped quarry]

No - I develop APIs for Twitch users/streamers.

etc

As in APIs that can be used by StreamElements/Nightbot/others

[marsh helm]

that has nothing to do with moderators here

[warped quarry]

No I know - I'm just saying some of my experience.

[marsh helm]

i dont get a lot of those here but i do get it from vtuber discords a lot

and steam for some reason ....

what needs to change is discord

[warped quarry]

I mainly get it from here and Sound Alerts atm.

[marsh helm]

they need to ban accounts that are clearly bots

[warped quarry]

and spammers.

[marsh helm]

yeah

its not that difficult thing to check

its always the same message

at least force the scammers to use ai and smarter bots

[warped quarry]

2 different people impersonating the SAME streamer, trying to sell me "Stream Managers"

BOTH from THIS server.

[open rune]

!report If you're looking for official clarification, this is it

[wise bay]

If you were messaged by a user who you suspect may be malicious, scamming, a bot, etc, we recommend reporting these users to the Discord Trust and Safety team so that they can be addressed appropriately. We strongly encourage users to be mindful of DMs they receive from users who are in any public Discord server.

Please report any suspicious private messages to Discord, either by using the Report Spam button in a DM, or by reporting it directly to Discord Trust and Safety

[warped quarry]

Doscord do NOTHING as I said unless it's links to porn etc.

[marsh helm]

has anyone here tried that new artist focused social media?

[stoic kernel]

Cara?

Isnt that the one that run up it's bill on hosting because they didn't put any limits in place and didn't check their email xD

[marsh helm]

oh...

oh god

they gonna need to take donations XD

[uneven spear]

Was heavily multitasking, saw the usual question come up, saw a white-name trying to say moderator stuff, I pinged without looking up after that, owo. Sorry. xwx...

[terse helm]

I'm reading a website and it has this in the bottom corner

broke my brain for a moment reading that on my mac running macos

[tall vapor]

That's just evil, lol

[marsh helm]

[sterile flower]

Genius is what that is

[tall vapor]

True true, being a bit evil to windows users ain't half bad

[sterile flower]

Aaaa no I'm a Windows user 3:

[tall vapor]

is evil to you

[sterile flower]

Imma be evil back >:3

[livid plover]

Uwu

[tall vapor]

:x

[marsh helm]

they have a point

[uneven sluice]

I truly don't understand why anyone is still on twitter

[tall vapor]

well yeah, that's what this is actually abt.

hah, twitter. Caring bout privacy. Kek

[marsh helm]

this was the only thing i would do on twitter

was follow the breadcrumbs of what my fav artists

would like

[tall vapor]

Twitter's like a housefire that you can't stop staring at

[marsh helm]

threads could of been the replacement

but its still too basic

[livid plover]

Threads seem equally as vile, from the promoted posts i get in instagram to try and sell me the app

[tall vapor]

I don't need to replacement

am on mastodon sometimes, but mostly for reading purposes

[marsh helm]

bluesky is nice

you can edit the algo

[livid plover]

Bsky seems ok so far ye

[marsh helm]

have it show you only what you want

like cute animals

and art

nothing else

[tall vapor]

no thank

"Oh we've been fked over by $company, let's migrate to $company"

[marsh helm]

i mean its open

so you can just take your stuff to another place

[sudden adder]

All social media apps will become as bloated as Twitter

[marsh helm]

its on the same platform backend as mastedon isnt it?

[tall vapor]

not really

[sudden adder]

Hell, Bluesky is basically just a twitter clone anyway, visually

[tall vapor]

closed off, seperate&not really

[sudden adder]

(And yes, i know former twitter folks operate it)

[tall vapor]

I just won't make the mistake of switching to $company when the option to stop with company bs altogether is available again

but I guess some folk need to get burned as often as they can

[marsh helm]

how is mastodon better?

[tall vapor]

move from windows to mac because windows AI trash

Apple Intelligence gets announced

[marsh helm]

[tall vapor]

actually open, no commercial bs

[marsh helm]

i see i see

[uneven sluice]

So long as hyper rich man children are at the helm of everything, everything will continue to suck

[marsh helm]

true

[tall vapor]

easily avoidable by choosin nice instance

[uneven sluice]

I mean, there sure

But the Bezos and Musks and so on are still in charge everywhere

But that's a whole different topic

[tall vapor]

Well ye, to avoid rich manchildren you gotta use stuff where said rich manchildren aren't in control, that's correct

not an option everywhere, but when the choice is available it's nice to actually take it

[zenith gull]

I have a question for obs it's obs only for a PC or can I juss obs alsow for samsung or its obs only for a PC ?

[wise bay]

Developing OBS Studio for mobile devices is currently outside the scope of what the project is able to work on. Check out the many high-quality mobile streaming apps available for iOS and Android.

To control OBS Studio using a mobile device, see the Remote Control Guide.

[tall vapor]

OBS is only available for Windows, Linux and Mac systems.

[copper notch]

Same here, I follow a number of open source projects to mainly get new release announcements and other major announcements, the OBS devs that I noticed were on there, EposVox and a handful of others, but I only check the platform like 1-2 times a month when I remember. Unlike most come and go platforms over the years, Mastodon seems to have reached a critical mass where it is actually useful enough for some things. Unlike others like Diaspora for example, I think it will continue to slowly grow over time and remain relevant, but it wont become some booming bastion of social media either.

A lot of open source projects are on Mastodon so it is a useful way to keep track of them all, and within an open ecosphere.

[copper pasture]

Mastodon has some issues but it's pretty good, I like it

and I don't really feel like handing over my body and soul to yet another big company at the moment, so it's nice that it's a fully open protocol/system

I don't think it will ever recapture the magic that Twitter was during a certain time period years ago, but that's ok, it's fine being as it is right now

[drowsy mason]

In theory, BlueSky can be just as "open" as Mastodon, but the decentralized bit of it and other providers implementing the AT Protocol BlueSky uses hasn't really taken off. So it's pretty centralized still, in practice.

In theory BlueSky could be made to interoperate with Mastodon, but it's kinda tricky since AT Protocol (BlueSky) and ActivityPub (Mastodon et. al.) were designed kinda differently.

And we have Threads starting to try and interop with Mastodon and various mastodon servers deciding whether to block it or not, so it's slightly fragmented there as well.

With a few "rough edges" to "deal-breaker for some users" aspects of how federation works cropping up here and there depending on what you're hoping it to do vs what it's actually doing handling that interop.

No matter how you slice it, it's an interesting time to be alive IMO.

Then again "may you live in interesting times" has been variously a blessing and a curse, so. Yep. "Interesting times."

[uneven sluice]

These aren't even fun interesting times

Where are the aliens and super powers

[prisma dove]

one person's super powers are another person's mediocre abilities

[copper notch]

Yeah, I don't see Mastodon as being something that "will take over Twitter" or any other social media. I see it as a social network that stands on its own, and managed to get enough usefulness to get enough people/projects/whatever on board using it that there is a meaningful circle of value within its own ecosystem to maintain itself and grow. That was something missing from virtually all of the other social networks that have came and went in the past, commercial or open.

They just did not deliver enough value to people at all, or they were too "in perpetual beta", or too "invite only" so you could not establish a broad enough circle of mutual contents sharing mutual value for the system to be useful. That led to people "trying it out", not finding value, then leaving.

There needs to be enough value in a system first, it needs to be stable and usable, and open to everyone to join and not invite-only. So whenever some new network starts up and is amplified briefly during an outrage on one of the other platforms and people are like "Join <network>, we'll show them!", I take one look at the other network, and if it is in beta, invite-only or any of that, I'm not interested, it is not going to go anywhere.

So far, this has been correct in every case so far, so I'm sticking with it. 🙂

Although, I am kind of saddened by the fact Google Wave didn't succeed, but it failed for the same reasons I outlined above.

[uneven spear]

I think you mean G+, owo. Wave wasn't a social network; it was just Google Docs before Docs existed.

[prisma dove]

Wave was an interesting precursor. I feel like some of the elements ended up in G Drive, G+, and other apps.

[copper notch]

No, I mean Google Wave. I joined Wave when it was in invite-only beta, was excited by the tech and what it could offer, but disappointed by how slow it was (due to extremely heavy use of Javascript which was not yet optimized enough in browsers of the day). It was slow and clunky, and the invite-only nature of it ensured that not many people could use it so you could not use it with enough people you knew to really use it beneficially, and when people did try it it was too slow and buggy that it gave a bad first impression of not being ready. What these companies don't realize is that for things like this, you get one chance to make a first impression and then people don't come back later even if your tech improves. So Google Wave was cool tech IMHO, but released publicly too early before it was ready and before web browsers were optimized enough to handle it.

So people just didn't use it and the lack of adoption caused them to throw in the towel on the tech less than a year later, and it got transferred to the Apache people where it still lives today although I dunno if it is actively developed or really used at all.

And in terms of "social network", everyone might have some rigid definition of what that means that is not universally agreed upon. Mine is broad, as in "a system of software used to establish social circles of communication online through centralized or distributed computing"

In that sense, I consider Discord a social network, because it is software that establishes a network of people that are engaged in socializing.

Rather than some arbitrary definition of "Facebook clone" or whatever.

[lilac stag]

Happy Wednesday everyone.
How are you?
Hope you all having awesome day.

[uneven sluice]

Meh

[sudden adder]

Google Docs was initially released in 2006.

Wave was 2009

Google Docs originated from Writely, a web-based word processor created by the software company Upstartle and launched in August 2005.[3][4] It began as an experiment by programmers Sam Schillace, Steve Newman and Claudia Carpenter, trying out the then-new Ajax technology and the "contentEditable" HTML feature.[4] On March 9, 2006, Google announced that it had acquired Upstartle.[

[steep kite]

xcode 16 seems to have broken indentation, how annoying

no matter my indentation setting tab just inputs an 8-width tab

@reef summit is your indent broken in xcode? i know you're on the beta

oh i think what it's doing is picking up on something from this new .editorconfig option

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[sterile flower]

Why did I just realise that Lack of Content is your username

[sudden adder]

lolol

[sterile flower]

All this time I just thought you were annoyed at yourself for not making content lol

[sudden adder]

HA

but also tru

😄

[sterile flower]

I mean same here, having ADHD doesn't work well with pretty much anything content related unless it's livestreaming, and even then I have to hype myself up for it and everything

Editing is a pipe dream until I can get some medication to help me focus

And some editing skills lol

[uneven sluice]

Took my therapist over a year to help me get a handle on my ADHD

And really all I did was change how I contextualize it

[full fern]

I've been slowly getting through learning it with my also untreated ADHD. It's hard. I do a couple little things, then I gotta get up and pace and worry for a bit haha

[uneven spear]

What even was Wave for, then?!

[sudden adder]

Wave is a web-based computing platform and communications protocol designed to merge key features of communications media, such as email, instant messaging, wikis, and social networking.[4] Communications using the system can be synchronous or asynchronous. Software extensions provide contextual spelling and grammar checking, automated language translation[2] and other features.[5]

that UI makes me feel old

-er than I already am

[uneven spear]

owo... I only remember it being Google Docs, I never saw this UI before, what the heck?!

[sudden adder]

yeah, that was apparently the UI. at least according to all the screenshots

kinda reminds me of phpBB

i personally think it would have been funny if Bluesky had just used the original Twitter UI to launch Bluesky with

[uneven spear]

All I remember is that Docs didn't let multiple people concurrently edit in real-time when I was using Docs, but Wave did, owo.

[uneven sluice]

Oh wow

Aww

Tried to post a gif of MSN messenger

[open rune]

Links don't work but file embeds do

[uneven sluice]

Gotcha

I just tried using the built in tenor thing

I'll know for next time!

Simpler days...

[uneven spear]

Twenty years ago.

[civic quarry]

I need a OBS transition and I need for my stream DM me if interested

[sudden adder]

what is your budget?

[civic quarry]

$0 for the time being

Me broke

[uneven sluice]

agingrapidly.gif

[steep kite]

iirc google wave was supposed to be like...everything, at once

i remember by the time people had figured out what it was, its demise had already been announced

[civic quarry]

they did that more than once? me and a few friends were avid google+ users as well which sounds about the same

[steep kite]

yeah google wave was the predecessor to +

it was more high concept than google+

[sudden adder]

i still need to watch that movie

[steep kite]

the wave? that's a good norwegian disaster flick

[sudden adder]

(everything everywhere all at once)

but now I need to watch the wave

😄

[steep kite]

the wave and the quake are both great

[sudden adder]

last norwegian movie i watched was that christmas horror one, Rare Exports

[terse helm]

I've been rewatching the show that at least inspired the name google wave

Firefly

[copper notch]

My buddy and I were talking about AI a few days ago, and I said that one thing that will likely be interesting is that sometime probably in the next 10 years we will be able to ask an AI to generate movies or TV series for us based on prompts and/or based on giving them existing movies/TV shows for input. I said we can generate another 3 seasons of Firefly with it to finally get a full story. Just need to wait for the rest of the tech to mature and become accessible and the kinks to get worked out, a few iterations, and computers to get more powerful and cheaper. I give it 10 years. 🙂

Go ahead Fox, cancel our favourite shows, we'll just get AI to finish them for us. 🙂

[full fern]

Oh, heck yeah! Loved it

[steep kite]

did you see the quake

[full fern]

No, I will add it to my list!

[open rune]

You rang

[steep kite]

yeah it's every bit as good

[dawn fossil]

It's funny how back in the MSN days, I needed to have notification sounds on

KA-BLONK every time somebody sent a message from a different window

[uneven sluice]

I can still hear the Nudge sound effect

[dawn fossil]

DINK-A-DINK-A-DINK

[uneven sluice]

also remember how everyone was just totally cool with the sketchy-as-balls "addon" website msn.be?

"Get all your MSN hacks!"

[dawn fossil]

I was a Messenger Plus kid for sure

You know, it's alive again, under the name Escargot MSN

[uneven sluice]

seriously?

I gotta google this

though I have no idea what I'd use it for nowadays xD

[dawn fossil]

Neither

I'm not chatting up any guys I meet in dodgy IRC servers anymore 😄

[uneven sluice]

lol

I live with my now-wife, so

[dawn fossil]

And I met my hubby after MSN was already not a thing. We had moved to using Facebook by then, I'm fairly sure

[terse helm]

uh oh!

(I refused to use msn)

[dawn fossil]

In NZ and Aus, using anything else just wasn't a thing

Maybe used Y!IM to play pool, that's about it

[jaunty fulcrum]

that's because the MSN sound effects were all satisfying and designed not to be annoying when repetitive. every chat app since is bad at audio design.

[uneven sluice]

Yo here's a dumb question: for those of you who stream, how'd you pick your twitch name?

I went with Llen_Coram cause it's just (basically) my name, but... I dunno

[jaunty fulcrum]

it was my existing online name that I used for everything else

[uneven sluice]

Right, okay. That's what I did too

I'm Llen Coram practically everywhere on the net, so I just went with that

[jaunty fulcrum]

how everyone came up with their alias online is different for each person. some have a really creative story behind it, others don't 🙂

[uneven sluice]

It is effectively my real name at this point, honestly. I think that's what makes it feel a bit odd

Hmmm

Maybe I'll change it to xXxLlen_C0R4MxXx. 2000s era Xbox names are back in style right?

[jaunty fulcrum]

don't forget the modern thing of adding a bunch of numbers on the end 😉

[uneven sluice]

Easy, I'll throw on a 420

[dawn fossil]

I'm barefoot all the time. Easy peasy.

[copper notch]

The best thing to do is make it artistic but unpronouncable so that it is not easy to communicate to people what to type in to get to it. That helps grow a lot of viewers in a short period of time by making it as hard as possible to say, type or access. 🙂

[uneven sluice]

Hey mission complete

I made up this name 14 years ago and people have called me Lien ever since

It's not an i, it's two L's...

Stupid choice a younger me made but I've stuck to it anyway

Eh, I'll just stick to my name

I have absolutely no delusions I'll make a name for myself on Twitch. This is all just going to be something to pass the time

If I ever get more than like 2 viewers, I'll be surprised

[uneven spear]

Mine came from a random name generator and I didn't Google it before I started using it, owo.

[dawn fossil]

Llen-fair pwyllgwyn… blah blah blah …llantysiliogogogoch

[uneven sluice]

I have had Welsh people call me that, yes xD

I usually get Lien, but sometimes I get Yen, or... How would even write the Welsh one phonetically? Sen? Tlen?

[dawn fossil]

ɬen

lol

[uneven sluice]

Nice

[full fern]

A million years ago, I was called Dot after the Animaniacs. I made my first email account as The Great and Powerful Dot, inspired bythe Wizard of Oz (don't look behind the curtain). Now it's shortened

[uneven sluice]

Lol

[full fern]

Luckily the references are not culturally dead or tainted. Thank goodness I didn't choose a nick based on something else.

Could have easily been magic the gathering haha

[uneven sluice]

Could also just lie and say you named yourself after Dot Matrix

Reboot is perfect, weird live action "sequel" notwithstanding

[full fern]

Yes!! Another fun one! Spaceballs is an occasional rewatch for me and the hubs

I haven't seen it, OMG. Need to add to my list

[uneven sluice]

You really really don't xD

It's Reboot in name only

People online say it more resembles Code Lyoko in terms of story. I scrubbed through the episodes, and like... A couple of the old characters show up in the back half of the final episode, and that's it

No spoilers or anything, but it's not good

... Unless you mean you havent seen the original Reboot, in which case yes definitely do watch it!

Absolute classic

I had such a crush on one of the characters growing up

[full fern]

I haven't seen either! Will put only the original reboot on the list haha

[uneven sluice]

Nice

[hybrid stream]

What are some good plug ins for obs?

[civic quarry]

!plugins better to just look through the list and see what might be useful to you.

[wise bay]

OBS Studio supports a variety of plugins that provide new kinds of sources, filters, and additional features.

• For a list of plugins, see OBS Studio Resources: Plugins
• To learn how to install or remove plugins, see the Plugins Guide
• To see if the plugins you use are available for the latest version of OBS Studio, see the OBS Studio 28 Plugin Compatibility table

[icy verge]

Check out ENG/FIL lets get that affiliation https://www.twitch.tv/gooniemack

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[sterile flower]

Sameeee

[sterile flower]

So is Spaceballs worth watching? I've heard so many conflicting arguments about whether or not it's aged well lol

I've never seen it

[vernal current]

if you get "triggered" easily, then you will hate the day you were born

its a lot of stupid and wacky fun

[silver fable]

She's gone from suck to blow!!!

[scarlet kernel]

So my interview went INSANELY well

because I just got an email from Overwolf HR, they want me to do the final round of interviews Friday- the hiring manager recommended me for hire within an hour of our interview or something

[smoky rapids]

[tropic wasp]

why pfp has lgbt flag?

[wise bay]

Wondering what the logo and banner on the OBS Community server are? They are the LGBTQ+ Pride flag, showing our support for Pride Month! For more information, click here

[tropic wasp]

wait

you support pride?

@wise bay

[languid jay]

I would assume so

[bold glen]

Bot is triggered by (any) another person. And the message from bot before explain it.

[civic quarry]

hi

[uneven spear]

Ohai, owo. You're the most garn-like Garn that I've ever met. -w-. (See their About Me for context.)

[sterile flower]

Truly the garniest garn that ever did garn

[sterile flower]

Who doesn't?

[uneven sluice]

Really getting hammered by people confused about queer peoples right to exist, huh

[amber sparrow]

Every single year

[uneven sluice]

The Lancer discord last year changed their banner to include the pride flag for pride and so many bigots got big mad about it that they made it permanent

Just a big mech dabbing over a trans flag

It's a fantastic asshole filter

[uneven sluice]

Queer people existing isn't political

[amber sparrow]

A server logo is hardly "shoved into their throat" either

[uneven sluice]

Right, because people who actively oppose pride will just allow queer people the right to "just live"

[tall vapor]

How about y'all don't engage with trolls&let the mods handle it?

[uneven sluice]

It's either pride, or gay people get murdered. There's no in between

[uneven sluice]

My bad

I just woke up, I'm easily riled

[tall vapor]

dw, been caught up in stuff like that before too. Just ain't worth it whatsoever 😅

[uneven sluice]

For sure

I'll just continue being a terrifying, political cisn't who triggers rightwing snowflakes by merely being, I guess

[tall vapor]

I think I should start to consider me lunch options

[copper notch]

I just did something so friggen North American that it isn't even funny

[tall vapor]

?

[copper notch]

I put a bunch of peanut butter on a plate, sprinkled some salt on it, then a layer of frozen berries, and ate it with a spoon. LOL

[tall vapor]

[uneven sluice]

I was hoping for something with maple syrup

[tall vapor]

Is the tum ow worth it?

[uneven sluice]

I should make waffles for breakfast...

[copper notch]

I have to admit that I put some maple syrup on top of the berries though too if I'm being completely honest 🙂

[uneven sluice]

Nice

[tall vapor]

imma gonna repeat this question right here, cause uh

[copper notch]

Although not real maple syrup... the fake crap LOL

[uneven sluice]

Less nice

But the intent was pure

[copper notch]

Not enough room in my fridge for the real stuff, because it is so expensive I like to buy the super mega large container of it and I can't fit it in the fridge LOL

[terse helm]

for how much maple syrup canada alledgedly produces and consumes you'd think it'd be priced more reasonably

[tall vapor]

Coming to think of it it's been quite a while since I had maple syrup. Cause ye, pricey

[copper notch]

What I've been making lately is a bowl of large flake oats, about 3/4 cup, then adding 2tbsp of cocoa powder, 2 tbsp of sugar, 1 tsp cinnamon, mix it all up, throw 3-4tbsp of raw peanut butter, add some salt to it, mix the whole mess up, add frozen fruit, mix it up, pour syrup on top, then chow down

It's soooooooooo friggen good

[uneven sluice]

The maple syrup mafia keeps a tight grip on it for real

[copper notch]

oh, and I add butter or coconut oil to it also, forgot about that. About 1tbsp

Yeah, it is like $80 CAD for 2L of real maple I think

[uneven sluice]

(this isn't a joke the maple syrup industry in Canada is controlled by an actual mafia)

[tall vapor]

I mean yeah, am not surprised

[terse helm]

I don't consume that much of it myself but iirc the last time I bought some it was like 14 CAD for a relatively small (maple leaf-shaped, because of course) bottle

[uneven sluice]

I consume too much maple syrup. Always have some in the house

[copper notch]

My concoction is probably something that could be used as cookie dough. I could probably roll them into balls and dip them in melted chocolate and let it harden and store them in the fridge. Or use dehydrated fruit

[terse helm]

oh 16 CAD even for 200ml

liquid fucking gold I tell you

[copper notch]

Are Canadians taking over #offtopic today? 😛

[tall vapor]

Ye. Canada even has a strategic maple stockpile or whatever you wanna call it, no joke

[uneven sluice]

I feel like I buy 500ml cans for about $11...

[terse helm]

I'm not canadian, so no

[amber sparrow]

Did that person delete their messages or get the yeetus maximus?

[copper notch]

It's #off-topic-eh day 😛

[terse helm]

yeetus

[amber sparrow]

[terse helm]

you can't delete your own messages that fast

[copper notch]

ah 🙂

[tall vapor]

yeet, all their messages went out the window at once

[uneven sluice]

Ah, good riddance

[amber sparrow]

Word. I was in the middle of a round ha

Pre work gamez

[terse helm]

it doesn't help with the price I'm sure that I bought this in the vancouver airport

but tbf I wasn't actually in canada, I was just on the way home from the US and on a layover there

[tall vapor]

well what you bought was more of a souvenir

[terse helm]

oh for sure

thus the leaf-shaped bottle

[tall vapor]

aye

[uneven sluice]

yEAH

Don't get me wrong, it's still really expensive up here, just not quite that bad

[copper notch]

Got a crazy experience to share... I use LM Studio and use the Meta Llama3 AI model with it. Today for a laugh I asked it if it knew the open source developer <my real name>

[uneven sluice]

$20 or so will get you a 1L bottle at any good sugar shack

[copper notch]

Now this has no Internet connectivity, and is just getting its data from a 4.92GB LLM model file.... it friggen knows who I am

[terse helm]

yeah unfortunately I have almost zero reason to visit canada so literally the only times I've been there since like, 2015 was during layovers

[copper notch]

It knew details of shit I did 20 years ago

I am still freaking out

LOL

Then I told it that I am that person, and it freaked out

[tall vapor]

bout 4-5€/250ml this side of the pond, can get more pricey too if ya want special ofc

[uneven sluice]

We have very nice, uh... And some really cool...

[copper notch]

it was so funny

Gotta think though, they contain all this knowledge off of the Internet, there are 8 billion people in the world, and the file is less than 5GB, and it knows me? WTF

[tall vapor]

and can no doubt get it cheaper too if ya find larger containers than that

[copper notch]

That just blow smy mind. If anyone else uses it, ask it stuff about yourself

[uneven sluice]

I know LLM "AIs" aren't even close to actually thinking, and are just really good at putting words together that sound good together, but OpenAI is working on their weird bipedal robot things and y'all? That's ChobitS

[tall vapor]

it's just really advanced autocorrect

[uneven sluice]

In the ChobitS manga it explicitly says "They aren't AI, they're just really good language models"

[tall vapor]

that's all it is

[uneven sluice]

Yeah

But still!

[copper notch]

Yep, it's just fancy pattern matching and statistical analysis of words more or less, but still mind blowing

[uneven sluice]

Except for Chii obviously, every "persocom" in the manga/show are just very good language models stuff into an ambulatory android body

[tall vapor]

I think the autocorrect on me phone hallucinates less than chatgpt does

[uneven sluice]

It's amazing to me that we might be nearing that five-minutes-in-the-future scifi world

[copper notch]

Then I told it my other nicknames online and asked it what it knew about me with that name, and it knew I wrote shaders for OBS which made the hair on the back of my neck stand up

[terse helm]

crazy

[copper notch]

I did tell it I was a part of the OBS community online and my name and thats it.

[tall vapor]

That's gonna get funny when they get sued into the ground by all sides, cause those lawsuits are no doubt all in the process of being set up

[terse helm]

is this the new version of googling yourself?

[copper notch]

And this is a dumbed down (Q4_k_m) version of the llama 8B model, not even the good one

[copper notch]

yeah, basically that was the idea, just to see you know? I did not expect it to know who I was at all, I would have bet 1000:1 it wouldn't know me

[tall vapor]

I don't even have an issue with machine learning, that's actually quite fancy. But whenever something is claimed to be "AI"....run

[copper notch]

Even if its data file was 100GB

[uneven sluice]

I do find it funny how we upheld the Turing test as a good indicator of computer language models, then it all came crashing down in like a year because it turns out humans just pack bond and personify literally anything

[copper notch]

I dunno how that wizardry works but it just blows my mind

[civic quarry]

do you play the guitar @copper notch ?

[copper notch]

I do

OMG, you are llama3! LOL

[tall vapor]

yup yup

[copper notch]

wow... um... I'm on the Blender community? LOL I mean I think I have an account there and uploaded a benchmark but other than that I don't think I did anything there but everything else is accurate 🙂

[civic quarry]

there is no shitposting allowed in this server.

[uneven sluice]

I have done exactly one thing with a generative art... Generator, and that was to concept up outfits for an OC I had been planning. I then took those ideas to a real human artist and paid them for an illustration

[copper notch]

isn't that crazy?

[civic quarry]

my bad imma delete it

[terse helm]

where does the blender link lead?

[uneven sluice]

In my mind, this is the only correct use for art AI

[copper notch]

Yeah, I'm curious where the blender link goes too

[civic quarry]

https://blender.community/skeletonbow/

[tall vapor]

It's gonna get real interesting soon, believe me. Not just cause of them scraping everything without perm&stuff, oh nono. It's gonna get especially interesting when hallucination AI claims that someone committed a crime they didn't commit etc

[copper notch]

Well crap, that is me. LOL

[terse helm]

well well

[copper notch]

There ya go 🙂

Looks like I need to update the avatar there though, what the heck is that... LOL

[terse helm]

gravatar

[tall vapor]

aye

[terse helm]

or some knock-off version of it

[sudden adder]

ah, Minority Report, the Total Recall sequel that wasnt one.

[tall vapor]

"Cookie, known for murdering countless innocent bats"

[copper notch]

For some reason it wont let me change avatar. It looks clickable but does nothing. Could be one of the 50000 browser addons I have interfering with something

[tall vapor]

hey look, in order to be able to change your avatar you need 5 gigabytes of js

[terse helm]

yeah that shit is getting out of hand

I downloaded GIMP the other day

fucking almost a gigabyte

[copper notch]

I loaded it in CHrome with no plugins and it doesn't work there either, guess it is a bug on the Blender website

Oh man, you had to mention GIMP... I've been frothing at the mouth waiting for GIMP 3 to come out... 🙂

I'm super stoked for NDE

[terse helm]

is that on the way?

I used to be somewhat involved with GIMP but that's been a long time

and back then they were also on version 2.something lol

[copper notch]

yes, NDE is in 3, was originally slated for 3.2 but someone dove in and made it happen for 3

Saw a demo of it and it is wow

[terse helm]

they were working on NDE back then already too hah

this is literally 15 years ago if not more

[copper notch]

I'm going to get into GIMP addon development after it is out

And I'm going to fix some of the filters that have bad math for 20 years too

(posterize for example)

Got a local fixed version but was too lazy to go through the ropes of contributing it back 🙂

I'd like to work on Blender plugins too but have not looked into that yet. Ideally I'd like my shaders to work in all these apps.

Want to explore OpenFX as well

Managed to get Blender to take my avatar but man, their site is broken LOL

[tall vapor]

hm weird, the windows x64 installer still amounts to 329MB

[terse helm]

yeah the compressed DMG is about that size

[copper notch]

The new Call of Duty is allegedly 300GB

[tall vapor]

I mean on arch rn it's 20MB for the package&112.7MB installed, but ye that includes no deps obv

[tall vapor]

and most of the deps are needed for other stuffs as well on me end (esp the ones that be on the bigger end), so eh

[terse helm]

yeah on linux it's probably more reasonable because you'd be using libs that you probably already have anyway (gtk, glib, etc.) while on mac/win they have to ship all of that

[copper notch]

I'd actually prefer apps in Linux the way it is done in Windows. I used to be strongly the other way, but over time something happened.

I got older, realized my time on earth is slowly running out and more valuable to me than a gigabyte of disk space, and dependency hell sucks arse. 🙂

[terse helm]

yeah you're not wrong

[tall vapor]

ya got options

[copper notch]

I'd rather have 85 copies of every shared library on my system and not care 🙂

I'll make extra copies of them just for fun 🙂

[uneven spear]

Python says hi.

[tall vapor]

stuffs that be in the repo are never gonna land me in dependency hell anyway, and when I want things to be standalone I got that option too

[copper notch]

Because it's not 1996 anymore. I got 42TB of storage here

[terse helm]

otoh if you have 85 copies of a lib that means you have 85 places to fix security problems

[tall vapor]

just doesn't make sense for things that are basically part of me system to include their own libs

a game having all it's things? Yeah sure, idc

[copper notch]

Well, I'm exaggerating a bit. I'd just want flatpak type installs for larger more complex apps that I want to update on my own schedule rather than waiting for some distribution or side project to do it or rolling my own

Sometimes it's nice to just one click download+install+done

[tall vapor]

Ye

[terse helm]

apt-get install

[copper notch]

After 30 years of using Linux I don't have the patience for that anymore LOL

[bold glen]

i love the videos from Brodie about that...

[tall vapor]

Discord I got as flatpak too, cause yeah can't be bothered to deal with that thing.

[copper notch]

I downloaded Slackware onto 40 floppy disks over a 14.4k modem, I paid my dues a long time ago! LOL

[tall vapor]

proprietary stuffs being their own respective bundles that just run? Ye, am perfectly cool with that

[terse helm]

tbh I haven't used linux as a desktop os in fucking forever so I've never actually used flatpak

I'm strictly a server guy for linux these days

[copper notch]

I used Linux as a desktop from 1994 to 2009 as primary, then it was secondary to Windows as my primary after that as I used Windows host OS with Linux in VMs

[tall vapor]

I use flatpak when it makes sense to do so, I got me system stuffs when it makes sense to do so, I got podman too (in combo with distrobox, got some ubuntu container going on there as me android build env) etc

[terse helm]

I prefer macos for desktop use

[copper notch]

Because Linux runs good on metal and in a VM but Windows runs like crap in a VM for what I expect

[tall vapor]

When I need windows I got vmwws for that

[copper notch]

I use Vbox here

[tall vapor]

just got the best windows paravirt gfx drivers around, what am I supposed to do

[copper notch]

yeah, that's true

[terse helm]

wdym just two days ago I was running obs (x64) on windows ARM in a vm on macos sonoma and it ran fine

[bold glen]

yeah i hate the discord updates... they make their client at the moment broken... on handy, i can hold it back as long i want. Also Slack is cool with it, but Discord... when they update their client in the night, i have first run my yay process...
Is the flatpak running as "good" as the native one from the repo or is there compromise, like cam/mic access?

[terse helm]

unlike last time I tried to run obs in a windows vm on x86-64

where it struggled to even render at 60Hz

[copper notch]

I have not ran OBS on Linux yet

[tall vapor]

bout the only thing that breaks is activity stuffs (ie it won't be able to show that yer currently playing $game (which never really worked on linux to begin with, always funny to see a whole list of folk playing pressure-vessel ))

[copper notch]

I think I'd be afraid to. Probably 250 of my shaders will barf after conversion to GLSL 😉

[bold glen]

hmm if that is the only big thing.... then i will try the flatpak on the weekend.

[terse helm]

does obs on linux use different shaders?

[sudden adder]

And then you gave it more cores, lol

[tall vapor]

don't see why it'd have to convert anythin, altho I'm not familiar with obs shader stuffs

[terse helm]

yeah exactly, it was doing fine before I did that but x264 could just barely keep up

[tall vapor]

be it glsl, hlsl or whatever.... in the end it all ends up as spir-v anyway

[copper notch]

Yes, OBS on Linux uses OpenGL+GLSL, on Windows it uses DirectX+(subset of HLSL)

So the Windows shaders get converted to GLSL on the fly but it does not do a great job

[tall vapor]

ye. one /could/ make hlsl stuffs work on lin too ofc, but alas 😅

[terse helm]

ah I thought OBS used its own shader language that was kind of… both?

[copper notch]

Well, I dunno what the OBS devs officially call it or consider it themselves but it is often spoken of in the community as being HLSL but it is more HLSL'ish as a lot of valid HLSL does not work in OBS

[terse helm]

actually

doesn't obs mac also use opengl

[copper notch]

Xaymar said it is like a mix of HLSL, cg, something from Xbox and I forget what else

[terse helm]

and wouldn't shaders that work on mac be reasonably expected to work on linux too then?

[tall vapor]

cause the dx shader compiler can spir-v -ify stuffs no prob

[copper notch]

Yes, in theory GLSL on mac and linux should work the same but it is a bit more complicated than that

Shaders may not work exactly the same on different brands of video hardware or different OS due to variances in implementations.

[terse helm]

right

[tall vapor]

I mean..... whenever I play a game that uses dx I in turn use the ms official shader comp to play it on lin

[copper notch]

So there are some annoying things you have to do for compatibility if you are lucky enough to know them

[tall vapor]

hell, these days ms themselves even provide offical dxc builds for lin

[copper notch]

One thing I know for example is the partial derivative instructions do not work the same on all hardware or implementations and can give different visual results.

So for example, using them for edge detection may not work the same on NVIDIA versus AMD, or on Linux versus Mac etc.

it's a nightmare on shadertoy

[tall vapor]

so yeah. hlsl shaders on lin in obs could absolutely be made to work if the interest was there

[terse helm]

I assume you can't just like

#IFDEF AMD

[copper notch]

There are some other incompatibilities or implementation-defined things to deal with too. I'm rusty on it but have notes kicking around somewhere

[tall vapor]

ye

[tall vapor]

not really, nope

[copper notch]

You can use preprocessor macros however OBS has very limited support of that so you're limited what you can use in OBS

[tall vapor]

you talking about windows? radeonsi/mesa?

hm hm

so many questions

[copper notch]

I use #ifdef in my shaders to make them work with both OBS Shaderfilter and StreamFX for some things

And #include to factor out common code into a custom library

[tall vapor]

ye. shoehorning dxc into obs prolly won't do the trick either

well

it's more complicated than just droppin it in, at least

lel

[copper notch]

I imagine years from now OBS project will move to rendering on Vulkan and have the graphics all Vulkan based anyway

But also probably not a priority of any kind for them because things just work right now

[tall vapor]

aye

[copper notch]

I think one of the devs said something like that before unless I'm hallucinating

[tall vapor]

Looking forward to a VK future, but this is not the time

[copper notch]

ya, always dozens of other higher priority projects to work on that have much more beneficial elements for users

[tall vapor]

at which point apple users just gotta cope with moltenvk, I suppose

[terse helm]

I saw some work was being done at some point on a Metal backend

[tall vapor]

at which point OBS would end up with 3 backends

[copper notch]

One day what I want to experiment with, is writing a standalone application that interfaces with OBS using Spout and websockets and uses OpenGL likely, and do GLSL in that.

[terse helm]

two if eventually it ditched dx11 and opengl for vulkan

[tall vapor]

yeah, two. We could've ended up with one even, but alas

[terse helm]

yeah

apple's not-invented-here syndrome strikes again

[tall vapor]

I mean DX12 also be a NIH thing

[copper notch]

Well, Microsoft does the same...

ya

[terse helm]

true I guess

but at least on windows you get vulkan support along with dx12

[tall vapor]

take a look at vkd3d (vkd3d-proton is the more u2d one, it's up on github), you'd want to laugh but actually it's sad that it's got to exist in the first place

[copper notch]

Vulkan would bring cross platform to one backend, but I'm not sure what else OBS would gain from it.

[terse helm]

while on mac you can just go fuck yourself and use a translation layer instead

[copper notch]

Would be curious to hear from one of the devs that know about that tho.

[tall vapor]

but oh well. It's good sauce&all, so I just don't even care no more e.e

[tall vapor]

I mean it's the same that I do for all things dx

but you know what's esp ridiculous? DX stuff on mac

dxvk/vkd3d(-proton) sittin ontop of moltenvk. Sometimes works surprisingly well considering what yer doin, but yee

[civic quarry]

have to take my dog in for surgery in 30 minutes, stressful day 😓

[sudden adder]

hope everything goes well for you and da pupper

[opaque halo]

Stess is completely understandable. Hopefully the healing is quick.

[tall vapor]

🤞

[tall vapor]

it's not gonna take long till the best option to play games on mac will be to boot into lin&play them there

[tropic wasp]

stfu

[bold glen]

I only explained your question, i didn't trigger the bot. But nerveless, i would recommend to read the #rules of this server and don't insult other member of this community. That would be nice.

[vital oak]

What's up folks?! Off the wall question: Does anyone know if OBS keeps a backup of built overlays anywhere in case of a catastrophic loss of data?

[civic quarry]

what do you mean by built overlays?

i guess either way the answer is no, it would be your responsibility to back up your data.

[fallow oyster]

sorry out of topic
is here anyone use Vmix too?

[vital oak]

Kinda figured... Long story short, a series of horrible events, including a couple tornadoes and a major set of power surges fried several portions of my PC: MoBo, a couple hard drives, an entire RAM set... fun times. I spent two months building an insanely complex OBS build, and the files, that were backed up, were lost. So, as a last ditch effort, here am I to see if maybe, just maybe, there's a way to recover that data that I didn't know about.

[fallow oyster]

i have some trouble and need help on using UTC (Universal Title Controller) for VMIX

[tall vapor]

Nah, you're responsible for keeping backups of stuff that you don't wanna lose

[vital oak]

Yeah... Like I said, last ditch effort lol

[tall vapor]

nope. They're gone

[vital oak]

I've been rebuilding my drives for days now. Living in the south can be painful lol. I've build a pull drive DAS due to this. 9 HDs, this shit will only happen to me once, promise that

[tall vapor]

So you'll keep coldstorage backups&such now?

😅

[vital oak]

Tetra 12 liquid cooling system with a 90 TB DAS that I pull the backup drives on daily.... Damn near lmao

[tall vapor]

DAS?

[fallow oyster]

ok

anyone know VMIX Discord server?

[vital oak]

Direct Access Storage, because a NAS is to slow

[tall vapor]

so basically an external drive array like ya used to do back in the day via SCSI?

[vital oak]

For lack of a better explination... Yes lol

[tall vapor]

fair

[vital oak]

Old, but highly dependable

[tall vapor]

I don't trust those tbf, I don't trust hardware raid in general

But yeah, that provides you with the hot storage

not cold

wouldn't've saved you from being blown up by electrical issues

[copper notch]

Most "hardware RAID" cards that are sold to consumers are not actually hardware RAID either, they are software RAID implemented in firmware, which is inferior to software RAID built into the given OS.

[tall vapor]

And ye when the grid isn't exactly reliable where ya be an UPS with all the wanted protections in place is nice to have, too

[copper notch]

Linux kernel devs fondly refer to it as "fakeraid"

[tall vapor]

yeah. Ya can't even go "hey import all the drives"

the controller thingie that doesn't even do all that much dies? Whelp, yer done

[copper notch]

Real hardware RAID cards have NVRAM on 'em

[tall vapor]

yeah but can you put the config onto a different card just like that?

ie can ya import a pool from a diff card&proceed

[full fern]

I think so, yes! It's a fun parody of some big scifi franchises, as well as just silly in its own right.

[tall vapor]

I mean I think ya can, but I never actually used em as such...

I use em as HBAs, when applicable (like that old LSI card in me NAS)

why would I do that when I can ZFS instead

[sterile flower]

Oh nice, I'll add it to the list!

[copper notch]

I haven't used HW Raid since the mid-2000s, I've got a Compaq Smartarray 5300 upstairs. It's an old clunker nowadays hehe

[tall vapor]

yeah, the only use of hw raid I still tend to see from time to time be with ESXi

[vital oak]

I'm fairly new to content creation and such, and I'm familiar with older ways to back up your data. I've never had an all digi career, so I'm still learning a lot. I know how to safely maintain an HD array, so that's what I went with lolol

[tall vapor]

ah yes, chonky PCI

PCI-X or whatever it was called

[civic quarry]

you guys are all fancy with your backups. i have 2 large drives and image my C drive to them monthly with the easeus backup software.....good enough for me!

[copper notch]

It's 64bit PCI IIRC. It's in a Proliant ML-530 I used to use eons ago

[tall vapor]

ye, chonky PCI

[vital oak]

My drives clone daily now lolol

[tall vapor]

folk sometimes mistake it as VLB at first sight

which is funny, as it looks completely different

and seeing VLB on a SCSI card would be, well, weird

[copper notch]

That was the last system I used SCSI on... I haven't even thought of it for years but, I wonder if SCSI is even still a thing, it just seemed to disappear.

I had U160 drives

[tall vapor]

fast USB storage these days is all UAS

[copper notch]

Got an old AXP with U160s in it too. I should really fire that up some time for a nerd weekend.

[tall vapor]

Yer fast new external SSD? That thing be talkin scsi

[copper notch]

UP2000 with 2 AXP EV67 666MHz. Thing was a beast in the day.

[tall vapor]

but ye, apart from the commandset&such SCSI did indeed basically disappear

[terse helm]

yes, in the form of SAS

[tall vapor]

that too.

[terse helm]

but NVME is the new hotness

[tall vapor]

We're in the "wait.... it's all PCIe?" days

well, that and USB

[terse helm]

I still have some SAS stuff

though tbh most of my things are SAS-capable but actually used with SATA drives

[tall vapor]

ye

like the LSI card I got in me NAS

used as a glorified sata hba