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deep hedge
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of delay

uneven spear
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Unless you made it delayed on purpose, what you have now is what you get. Nothing you can configure is able to change it. Your geographical location and network topology are the sole decider at this point.

carmine ibex
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I don't think I have an issue with Nero AAC or Exhale AAC... just Apple AAC
must be a glitch... meh, Apple HE-AAC isn't very well optimized anyway... it isn't known for its HE-AAC quality...

scarlet kernel
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3 seconds of delay is nothing

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I get 46 seconds on average

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Most people get around 45 to a minute

uneven spear
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3 seconds is /insane/. Typical delay is 10-15 seconds for low-latency mode on twitch/youtube, and 30-60 for regular.

deep hedge
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\

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ohhhh

carmine ibex
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really? O.o I get one second on a lot of streams on Twitch

deep hedge
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thats what i mean how do they do it

uneven spear
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Luck.

scarlet kernel
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Like IN austin

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or IN atlanta

deep hedge
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i have low latency and the obs thing set to 1 pr 2

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or

carmine ibex
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I can even get like 3/4 second if I'm really close to someone, yeah

uneven spear
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You're at 3 seconds already. You're fine. If your audience is complaining: They're wrong. owo.

scarlet kernel
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I actually have a friend that gets sub-1second latency cause they live within a 15 minute drive of the Austin datacenter

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lucky lil shit

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If you want to see what your delay looks like for others, start streaming, smack a VPN on your phone, and try the stream there

carmine ibex
scarlet kernel
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that gives a ballpark of general delay

uneven spear
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I once spoke with someone who worked on a datacenter physically. They were connected via ethernet 10 feet away. They claim that their ping in LoL was -100 or something. ktwitch5

scarlet kernel
scarlet kernel
carmine ibex
uneven spear
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I imagine it just subtracts 160 or something from all reports it gets, so people don't psychologically focus on "omg the lag".

carmine ibex
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I get 1 to 2ms ping on speedtests... but I won't see that in games

livid plover
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And if you enable stream delay in settings you add delay, even if you set it to 1

scarlet kernel
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Decent lil unmanaged switch tho

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5 port gigabit netgear switch

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Cost me $20 on sale and does plenty.

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Wish I could have gone 2.5gig since both of my local PCs have a 2.5gig connection and it would have been great for filesharing but eh.

carmine ibex
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how much big file sharing do you do? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

scarlet kernel
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It's not like I can saturate it, the SATA SSD crumbles before that

scarlet kernel
uneven spear
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Actually, your ethernet is measured in megabits, and your ssd is measured in megabytes. 1 gig ethernet only does 128 meg/sec, so you could easily do 2.5 gigs, owo. Ten years ago, I was regurarly saturating gigabit ethernet while all systems were running mechanical drives.

carmine ibex
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that should only be like 100-200mbps even if in really high quality?

scarlet kernel
carmine ibex
scarlet kernel
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Yeah and this is an OG samsung 850 EVO

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SO it's showing its age and I saturate it easily

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Literally every single thing in my house tech-wise is repurposed, minus my actual build.

carmine ibex
scarlet kernel
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I can't afford an SSD to watch movies from

uneven spear
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Samsung 850 Evo has a firmware bug where it reads slower and slower as data ages. They tried to patch this but failed. The solution, short of replacing hardware, is to re-write everything on the drive every 6-12 months. I boot Linux, dd everything off to another drive, then dd stuff back, owo.

I let one of mine go for three years once, got down to 5 megabytes/sec on sequential read. dd'd it, boom, back up to 400 meg/sec-ish.

carmine ibex
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well.. but that's QLC... so idk... still, more modern QLC drives usually have like 50-100gb before they slow down, I think

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well, no, it's dynamic so the more full it is the faster it'll slow down..

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but you can get 2tb NVMe TLC drives for $115 pretty easily... but they are dramless so idk how they'd perform

scarlet kernel
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No NVME on the dell tho

carmine ibex
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well, SATA then

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it'll be same price but yeah

scarlet kernel
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It's a first gen DDR4 board

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Doesn't even have M.2

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Thing is a dinosaur

carmine ibex
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or if you have a PCIe slot available

scarlet kernel
carmine ibex
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oof

scarlet kernel
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I think it's a 1050Ti?

frozen isle
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Anyone ever used OBS with Amazon chime? My virtual camera doesnโ€™t show

scarlet kernel
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I don't even remember honestly.

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I got it for free

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it broke but I just reflowed it

wise bayBOT
scarlet kernel
carmine ibex
open rune
carmine ibex
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but honestly, prob just worth going TLC

livid plover
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looks at boot ssd being consistently with under 5gb free
Yeaaaaah it's fine....

carmine ibex
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that sale was also doing a 512gb NVMe 670p for $30 that coulda been a boot plus a few games drive

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but again, it was super limited quantity

frozen isle
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@scarlet kernel Do you think thereโ€™s a work around?

scarlet kernel
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Sorry!

silver fable
silver fable
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Might be better to look into Microsoft Teams, or something.

frozen isle
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@silver fable Theyโ€™re my client.

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And they like to use chime. Lol

silver fable
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If they're your client, then you shouldn't need to use a virtual cam. LOL

scarlet kernel
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Welp.

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Garbage disposal is leaking from the bottom.

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Broken seal.

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Yay.

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I have to replace my garbage disposal

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or be unable to wash dishes

prisma dove
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Well that bites

shrewd granite
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Hello need a bit more info and help regarding obs ndi if anyone can help

prisma dove
shrewd granite
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NDI

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So i am trying to setup a dual pc streaming setup using obs ndi plugin

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But what i have observed is the performance difference is the same even with dual pc or if i stream with my gaming pc itself

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So my question is :- is it normal or am I doing something wrong

civic quarry
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hey

prisma dove
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Could be normal. Everyone's setup is different. I've used my PC for streaming while playing the game on it, and captured my wife's game from her computer via NDI. Worked out fine for Twitch at 720p60.

civic quarry
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does anyone know how to fix minecraft not recording in fullscreen

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i put in fullscreen and it wont capture gameplay and is hiding my cursor

prisma dove
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@shrewd granite if you want to get better expert opinion on using NDI and OBS for dual PC vs single PC setup, head over to #tech-talk .

shrewd granite
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Ohk alright thank you ๐Ÿ˜Š @prisma dove

civic quarry
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i fixed it yay

scarlet kernel
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It is not a gasket

civic quarry
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so if i dont set my graphics card and let windows decide will windows mess it up
is that why because windows decided and my graphics card wasnt on there

scarlet kernel
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Need a replacement dispos

civic quarry
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so is that why i couldnt do fullscreen my graphis card wasnt on high performance

silver fable
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Then again, if it's leaking water, you'll need to either get a new one, or replace it with straight pipe.

scarlet kernel
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Gonna see if a plumber can quote a price on replacement, because it's not a cord kit disposal, it's direct wire. Not something I feel safe DIYing.

silver fable
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Hmm... Any way to just seal where ever it's physically leaking and just ignore it?

scarlet kernel
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Which will cause WAY more problems.

silver fable
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Well, if you have to replace it anyways, it doesn't matter what happens inside of it. Just gives you a buffer on the time before you do.

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100% not ideal, but better that than no sink at all. Unless you have a double sink, then just pretend that side does not exist.

scarlet kernel
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Yep, that's the plan.

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It's a double

humble comet
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What are some good Edit software (free)

wise bayBOT
humble comet
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Why does the bot ping twice lol

dawn fossil
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Once because I replied to you with a bot command (which the bot then deletes), once more because the bot replied to you

humble comet
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Oh ok

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Thanks

silver fable
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It's because Feets forgot to turn off the mention when he triggered the command. ๐Ÿ˜

humble comet
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Is editing subtitles good

dawn fossil
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โ€ฆ if there are mistakes in the subtitles, then yes?

humble comet
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No no

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Correct spelling

shadow cipher
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why dose this server hav no vc?

silver fable
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Why would it need it?

reef summit
uneven spear
shadow cipher
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it was just a qestion

hearty stirrup
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and it would be loud

uneven spear
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Yes. ksad5

scarlet kernel
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not worth it

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Well uh

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3090 for under 1k

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that stings lmao

uneven spear
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Where?! ktwitch5

scarlet kernel
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It's $999

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But

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It's Zotac.

uneven spear
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Oh, that website name scares me. kmerp6

scarlet kernel
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It's an amazon company

civic quarry
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considering i would never buy a zotac 3090, that makes it worth exactly $0 to me

scarlet kernel
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They offload hard to sell stock at cheap prices

dawn fossil
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I think I got a Zotac 1650 Super

scarlet kernel
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dingdingding

civic quarry
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i don't know much about the zotac brand before the 30 series cards but wow do their 30 series cards suck

scarlet kernel
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Their 3090 AMP Core Holo was an EPIC shitshow.

uneven spear
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kmerp6 Am trying to de-scare myself of Resolve. Version 17 or 18?

scarlet kernel
civic quarry
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i would learn resolve if i had actually content to edit

scarlet kernel
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Menus changed slightly in 18 but thats abt it

uneven spear
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Thank. Wanna learn with me maybe? XD I gotta draw arrows and stuff over replays of a game, occasionally freeze-frame, and other sports-casting-like stuff. I've basically never used a graphical editor before unless you count Windows Movie Maker.

scarlet kernel
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maybe sometime

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I first learned resolve for making VR-ASL captions on a video

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Because when Zotac tried to scam me

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this MASSIVE fucking stock alerts server backed me up

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then

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they turned scummy

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and literally released a buying bot

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so I cut ties

silver fable
scarlet kernel
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they said the site name scared em

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I explained it's literally amazon's liquidation site

silver fable
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Oh, sorry, thought Kachin meant Zotac scared him. LOL

scarlet kernel
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Well

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that would be understandable

jaunty fulcrum
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I was quite confused

scarlet kernel
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Zotac should scare everyone

silver fable
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Stoll, though, $999 for a 3090 isn't a horrible price.

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As long as it doesn't break, that is, it should be fine.

uneven spear
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Woot sounds like Wish to me. kmerp6

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How is Resolve three gigabytes?! kdude5

silver fable
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It's an Amazon company, though, so if you don't trust them, probably shouldn't buy from Amazon, either. ๐Ÿ˜

dawn fossil
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That's about right

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That includes pre-made video assets and such

uneven spear
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Oh, okay.

dawn fossil
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iMovie is 3.26 GB, Final Cut Pro is 4.28 GB

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So if you're only dealing with 3 flat

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Count yourself 0.26 GB lucky? :P

scarlet kernel
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Yeah, plus Resolve is literally Premiere+After Effects in a single kit

uneven spear
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I was thinking of Losslesscut being like 8 megs tops and got worried, owo.

scarlet kernel
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Losslesscut isn't an editor it's a trimmer, silly derg

silver fable
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Apparently woot.com links are just flat out banned.

uneven spear
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Woot! kmerp5

silver fable
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There's an $800 6900 XT on there.

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Asus one, at that.

scarlet kernel
silver fable
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Tuf

scarlet kernel
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those cool better but dont boost as high

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but for the 6900XT that makes more sense

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very good buy

silver fable
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wonder how good it is compared to my 2080 ti.

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goes and looks

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Seems around 30% increase. Not bad.

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More memory, too.

scarlet kernel
silver fable
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Mom wants an apple pie from McD's tonight, so guess I'll be going there.

dawn fossil
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I tried a custard pie from there the other night

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Yummy

smoky venture
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how do i change the color of the drawing tool in a edit?

dawn fossil
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As I said, OBS is not an editor. Go ask the support for whatever editor you're using.

smoky venture
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lol ok

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sorry i didnt know

dawn fossil
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I already told you in the previous channel

still turret
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Ah, I see why.

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"offer" was in the banned link wildcard, because of all those stupid csgo/steam scam bots

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tweaked that a bit.

scarlet kernel
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I have diagnosed the issue

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The coupler has a massive hole in it

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So it's a few $$ part.

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I hope.

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Like maybe 7 or 8 bucks.

open rune
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This game is so adorable

hearty stirrup
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||yes there are boxes to jump in||

scarlet kernel
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Also polyphia dropped a new track

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And HOLY

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the DRUMS

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they are SO DRY i love it

open rune
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I AM ADORABLE

scarlet kernel
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STOP MAKING ME JEALOUS SAPIENS OR IMMA HAVE TO BONK U

scarlet kernel
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Why in god's name does a simple coupler cost $40

silver fable
copper notch
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<@&715347355565817879> ^ spam

stoic elbowBOT
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dynoSuccess please#3400 has been warned.

dawn fossil
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Oops

silver fable
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๐Ÿคฃ

dawn fossil
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Stupid bot

stoic elbowBOT
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dynoSuccess niau niau#7734 has been warned.

dawn fossil
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Sorry for the false warning @void cove ๐Ÿ™‡โ€โ™€๏ธ

silver fable
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The more you warn, the more they spam. LOL

dawn fossil
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Broomed

copper notch
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Perhaps people with the n00b flower should not be allowed to post files

silver fable
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Then they won't be able to post screenshots when we ask.

dawn fossil
silver fable
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or logs

copper notch
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Restrict files to support, and to file types relevant to support perhaps.

still turret
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it prevents you from uploading images as well

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which are considered files.

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it doesn't happen often enough to worry about.

copper notch
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good point

still turret
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like 40% of this channel is sharing images of whatever people are talking about

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so not gonna take that away cause of a few bad apples :P

copper notch
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Ya, although I did just mean for n00bflowers ๐Ÿ™‚

silver fable
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You can't specify the filetypes allowed, though.

civic quarry
copper notch
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to Discord, but to a bot you could.

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Our friendly neighbourhood bot already nerfs some posts ๐Ÿ™‚

silver fable
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Right, but block what filetypes? Need images, and txt files, and potentially sound files. Every type that can be used to spam, as well.

humble plover
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I'd say make a whitelist, not a blacklist
Allow .png and .jpg experience as well as video and sound files
As well as a few other formats that would be needed for stuff like this like text documents or any format proprietary to a certain type of audio or stuff
If you need to add files types over time just add them to the white list

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Sorry if that reads a little jank I'm using voice typing

silver fable
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So, pretty much all filetypes would be allowed, as most are needed, and the ones that aren't, usually aren't used in a way that would need moderation. Maybe executables for newbies, vb scripts, or bat files? burkeShrug

humble plover
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Maybe four or five consecutive posts of the file type in a row, check for that type of thing and then disallow it

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Consecutively in a row*

silver fable
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Would be easier to just ping RE if it's malicious than to get a bot to filter them out.

humble plover
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Fair enough
I was just egging the idea on

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It's fun to do that sometimes
Also helps you think

crisp rivet
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In which channel should I ask questions about the OBS API?

still turret
smoky rapids
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!lol

wise bayBOT
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League of Legends can be best captured with two scenes:

In the first scene "Lobby", add a Window Capture source and select the League Client/Lobby application.
In the second scene "In-Game", add a Game Capture source and select the League In-Game application. To do this the first time, you must be in an active game session (Training Mode works fine for this).

You can then switch manually between the scenes or configure the Automatic Scene Switcher (found in the Tools menu) to do this automatically for you when you load into a match.

smoky rapids
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So my phone issue has taken a even more turn for the worse: I think the battery has bloated slightly.

livid plover
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mhhhm risky

smoky rapids
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Yup

civic quarry
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๐Ÿ‘€

smoky rapids
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Luckily I've got another phone that I can use in the interim until I get the s22 I'm upgrading.

livid plover
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knifeowo ๐Ÿ’ฅ

smoky rapids
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It's coming tomorrow but not counting on getting it until I get off Saturday morning.

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In fact I'll just swap the sims out from the phones that way I can have data on this one.

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holy shit

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I've had the phone turned off for barely 5 minutes and it has instantly gone cool

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Guess having it turned on for so long can get it going Sweat

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Yeah. It go so hot the back cover became unglued and it's not removable naturally whenyahomiesaysomewildshit

livid plover
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put it somewhere firesafe

smoky rapids
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I'm taking the sim out and swapping the other one for now.

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Phone'll be a tad bit slower but at least I can still use what I need.

amber sparrow
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Thx for the unban @edgy yarrow I shall be better behaved moving forward.

livid plover
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wat

amber sparrow
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I got set off and made an angry post about some bigots yesterday

livid plover
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not so nimbe fingers anymore if you just got them caught under the ban

amber sparrow
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I could have phrased my anger better, but its people like the idiots I dealt with in game yesterday as to why I fear for the day my kids are allowed to start using in game comms

open rune
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Make them play Stray, all of their comms can be MEOW

amber sparrow
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Man I want that game bad. It's on my August play list

open rune
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I started it last night and it's super adorable

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Annapurna seems like it has a good knack for publishing indie gems

amber sparrow
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I've definitely got it as a high priority game for my #NoApexAugust

livid plover
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starting a low sodium diet huh LUL

smoky rapids
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Some might call it Kosher doggo

storm dune
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Hello, I have such a problem about it

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Please help me ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

wise bayBOT
slim marten
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Welcome back @amber sparrow, thank you for testing our automatic word filters.

civic quarry
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๐Ÿ‘€ derkla2LOOL

civic quarry
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Randomly browsing Instagram when suddenly this appears

sick cedar
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fenrisulven ๐Ÿ™‚

livid plover
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pet the doggo

amber sparrow
tawdry orbit
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For a short period of time there was a streaming server without matty fresh?!

amber sparrow
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Scary, huh

livid plover
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yes, because then i'd be next in line for luring into a game of dino with the purple dragon

amber sparrow
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I dont have the patience for ark.

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Spending days building things is not my idea of a good time

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I'd rather just go pew pew

tawdry orbit
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But ark let's you go [dino noise] [dino noise]

livid plover
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yeah but so can i IRL

civic quarry
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White Matty and nimble again ๐Ÿ‘€

open rune
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I had to fix his name once they let him back in

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He lost everything!

amber sparrow
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Can't hold me down!

silver fable
amber sparrow
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๐Ÿ‘€

livid plover
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lurkAni ๐Ÿ“ธ

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man being an adult is wild, you can just do practically whatever

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wanna buy a stupid car? send it. eat dinner for breakfast, breakfast cereal for dinner? who cares

civic quarry
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What's your point?

livid plover
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i should not be allowed onto the car section of facebook marketplace

open rune
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Do you have a disappointingly-inflated-car-prices fetish

livid plover
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sadly not, but anything 1grand and down is practically free to my brain, even despite knowing i have to buy parts and also do the yucky wrenching work myself

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Maybe i just have a thing for jalopies

amber sparrow
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I think you've proven that a few times now

smoky rapids
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Mechanics Special KEKL

open rune
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Jalopy was the name I gave my horse in WoW

civic quarry
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how do i get streaming status on discord when streaming on obs

wary holly
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!srt

wise bayBOT
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SRT is a streaming protocol, like RTMP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Reliable_Transport.

You can output via SRT to appropriate servers by going to Stream settings and selecting "Custom" for your service, then entering your srt:// path into the Server box.

For a more complete guide on SRT and how to use it with OBS, see this article

livid plover
civic quarry
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am live rn

livid plover
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you literally just started the stream, chill. give it 10-15 minutes to catch up ๐Ÿ™‚

crisp rune
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Helooooo

wary holly
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oi

nocturne scarab
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!elgatomac

wise bayBOT
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Elgato doesn't provide macOS drivers for the HD, HD60, or HD60 S that work with OBS, so they can't be added as a Video Capture device. For these cards you'll have to capture Elgato's software running in fullscreen via Window Capture.

However, Elgato now has OBS Link as a new NDI-based workaround tool for the HD 60 S to add OBS compatibility.

For native macOS support via UVC, please consider the Elgato Cam Link or HD60 S+ ("plus").

nocturne scarab
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does the log on obs for mac show symptoms of unset permissions?

livid plover
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amayaangry you'd better when i talk about you behind your bac, i mean, wut

uneven spear
livid plover
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i looked at it earliere and then realize "yeah nah, i won't have patience for leveling, buliding, etc, all that snazz"

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sadly i'm more leaning towards matty's attention span too

uneven spear
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Who's third? kyds5

livid plover
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sapiens needs a break from space!

uneven spear
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Sapiens! kmerp5

hollow raven
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can anyone help me

uneven spear
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Wait we need them in space, we gotta do Stellaris. khappy5

wise bayBOT
karmic tiger
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sapien's in spaaaaaaaace???

uneven spear
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Spaceiens, owo.

livid plover
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sentient sapiens

karmic tiger
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lmao imagine thinking sapiens is sentient

uneven spear
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I'm sentient. khappy5

karmic tiger
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debatable

uneven spear
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I'm sentient. ksad5

karmic tiger
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debatable

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for what truly is sentience, and can it judge itself

uneven spear
livid plover
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kachin is a sentence lurkAni

uneven spear
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It is! khappy5

silver fable
livid plover
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better than getting run-down

uneven spear
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I am! kyay5

karmic tiger
uneven spear
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I am also. ...Oh my gosh you people. XDDDD

silver fable
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I identify as a meat popsicle.

civic quarry
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i could make a deez joke about Kachin's name

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just realized

silver fable
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Yeah, dragon deez.....

uneven spear
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kmock5 You guys... XD

livid plover
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i did a silly and tried takign new portrait pics today... just realized one of them is the irl smugface

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literally that, on point

uneven spear
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Did you limpwrist during it too, like I did? khappy5

silver fable
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If you limpwrist when making a scones type food, is it a Limp Bizkit?

uneven spear
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Maybe. khappy5

dire bluff
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So I was on here the other night getting advice about putting a computer together. I got it put together, first computer and it wasn't working. So I had to take it into a computer shop and the guy ran through the diagnostic and it turns out that the graphics card doesn't work. He switched it with the another graphic card and it started right up and worked fine. So I ordered a new one off Newegg but I was just curious because I have this other graphics card. Can they be fixed or refapricated? Or is it just trash?

uneven spear
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Depends on the exact nature of the error, one's own technical expertise, and how much money you're willing to spend to acquire tools and parts.

dire bluff
amber sparrow
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Is it a brand new gpu?

dire bluff
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No I bought it off a guy in Facebook. I bought his old gaming computer and I got it in pieces. He had taken it apart and to pack it up and move across country. And the only thing that didn't work was the graphics card. It's an MSI 1660 super I believe. I'm not looking at it right now so I'm not sure

civic quarry
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it probably didn't work to begin with

uneven spear
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My thinking too.

dire bluff
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My friend that worked on it said that overtime graphic cards get abandoned them from hanging in the chassis and he said this one had a band in it. And he was telling me that because the guy I bought it from said he only used the gaming computer once and then had to take it apart. And he said based on what he was looking at the guy had it for a while.

civic quarry
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are you going to try to return it through marketplace?

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i hear a lot of red flags with this honestly

dire bluff
uneven spear
#

This really really sounds like you got scammed.

civic quarry
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very lucky if the rest of the parts work. i would try to refund on facebook though.

dire bluff
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No. No I'm just going to put the new graphics card in it and put it to use. Even after paying my friend to put it together and buying the graphics card I still got it for cheaper than buying a brand new one and most of the parts in it are middle to high end parts.

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Like I said once my friend switched out to graphics card it started right up he downloaded Windows 10 and played on it for a minute to make sure everything is it was in good working condition.

civic quarry
#

i would just be very skeptical about the parts you are keeping from it.

uneven spear
#

$400 for just the gpu, or for the entire build?

dire bluff
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The entire build

uneven spear
#

Oh, wild.

dire bluff
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The gpu I just bought off Newegg was 395

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So I'm all in 1000

civic quarry
#

well sounds like things could've turned out a bit worse, considering the situation. hope all works out!

dire bluff
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I gave my fried 150 to play with it for a day. He's a computer tech and that's his business so... Thanks

amber sparrow
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What gpu did you end up going with and what cpu is in there?

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@silver fable you have control, right?

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What kinda fps do you get at 1440p with dlss enabled and raytracing crap maxed?

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Because this has me curious

silver fable
amber sparrow
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You da best

civic quarry
#

h

amber sparrow
#

i

karmic tiger
#

m

uneven spear
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Kachin!! kmerp5

livid plover
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Echo!

karmic tiger
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ECHO!

livid plover
#

...cho....o...

amber sparrow
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Dammit pen

uneven spear
amber sparrow
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j obviously follow i

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(but I see what you did)

karmic tiger
silver fable
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Now, what am I doing on Control?

amber sparrow
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Max raytracing(and other eye candy too I presume) with dlss enabled

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Wanna see how your 2080ti fares fps wise

silver fable
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Hold on, just started installing, two minutes left.

karmic tiger
open rune
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Max raytracing was a stretch for my 2070S, 2080Ti should handle it pretty well

uneven spear
#

Solid advice for Sapiens in SC. khappy5

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Sapiens, is your helmet on?

amber sparrow
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I'm gauging multi generational performance

open rune
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Uh well yeah, 4K

silver fable
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I forget, is there an in-game benchmark?

open rune
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No

amber sparrow
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And I dont want xor to have to screw with dsr

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Because dsr is shit

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So 1440p will suffice

silver fable
#

Why would I need to mess with DSR?

open rune
#

DSR when DLSS is available?

uneven spear
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4k! kmerp5

open rune
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Oh

amber sparrow
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Aren't you on a 1440p monitor @silver fable ?

silver fable
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Yup

amber sparrow
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Dsr would be the only way to run the game at 4k

open rune
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Right

amber sparrow
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So I'm settling for 1440p on your old crap hardware

open rune
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1440p is where it's at man

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Fuck dealing with 4K

carmine ibex
#

I tried 7680 x 4320 render scaling, my performance tanked
surprisingly only took 1.5x the vram as 2160p.... well, not that surprising.. it sounds about right, actually.... so my 12gb card could run it just fine still

amber sparrow
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But sapiens

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4090 can make 4K ez

silver fable
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So, what am I putting the render res at?

open rune
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"DLSS enabled"

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i.e. not 4K

amber sparrow
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Dunno. It doesn't have the silly dlss presets like balanced/quality/performance?

open rune
#

It exposes the actual render resolutions

amber sparrow
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I've never played control, else I'd try this myself

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And all dlss options in games seems to vary in a really dumb way

silver fable
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So, if no in-built benchmark, how do I see the fps?

carmine ibex
#

I don't really care about ray-tracing too much

amber sparrow
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RTSS ya silly goose

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Raytracing is nice

carmine ibex
#

it's way over hyped

amber sparrow
#

CP2077 did it well

carmine ibex
#

not saying it's useless

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just overhyped

amber sparrow
#

So did cod

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Proper light reflections and shit is nice eye candy

carmine ibex
#

CP2077 also didn't have complete non ray-tracing features... so, yeah, the difference was massive because of that

open rune
#

Yeah, as we saw in the past with amazing new features like colored real-time lighting, it greatly depends on the implementation lol

amber sparrow
#

I'd like to revisit CP if I ever get a better gpu. Hurts my heart that 2070s is poop

silver fable
#

You're poop

amber sparrow
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Yea

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I know

open rune
#

It ran pretty okay on my 2070S

silver fable
#

๐Ÿคฃ I pushed ALT-Z to get into it, and the game crashed.

open rune
#

Definitely didn't hold 60

amber sparrow
#

Pretty ok to you is 15fps in SC

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Your judgement is out the window

open rune
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40+!

amber sparrow
#

Now

open rune
#

I mean, I still have to make concessions on the 12700/3070Ti to hold 60

amber sparrow
#

Regretting getting me back in yet? LULWW

open rune
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In Cyberpunk I mean

amber sparrow
#

I hold 60....in select cutscenes

carmine ibex
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I think anything below ~55 in most games is... meh... and in some games below 80-100 is meh.... it varies but... 40? it's not quite enough... I will say, HUGE upgrade over 30... it may sound like a small difference but it is NOT

amber sparrow
#

Dammit phone

open rune
#

GSync makes the 40-60 range entirely tolerable to me as long as frame pacing is okay

silver fable
carmine ibex
#

I think the stutter becomes too headache inducing at those frame rates

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maybe with motion blur it'd be okay

open rune
#

Once I'm at 45-48 I don't really think about it

amber sparrow
#

Below 60 and I'm usually not having fun

silver fable
#

Looks like, 100 - 113 fps?

open rune
#

Well you also play games where that makes more of a difference

amber sparrow
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Not too shabby

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Now enable dsr and run it at 4K hahaha

open rune
#

Control has a lot of variation for GPU demand

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If you just started a new game you aren't really pushing anything

amber sparrow
#

Don't do dsr. Dsr is a pain in the bollocks

carmine ibex
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Forza Horizon 5, yeah, ~55 is plenty.... but an FPS like Doom Eternal? you pretty much need 100+

open rune
#

I'm fine with a steady 60 for FPS games

silver fable
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60 - 100

open rune
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I will happily take more if there's headroom though

silver fable
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Nah, that was a hiccup Hasn't gone below 90.

amber sparrow
#

I need to buy stray. My August is gonna be quite a bit of variety

carmine ibex
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I wish Stray had HDR... I wish every game had HDR
I get that it's not a AAA game, though

amber sparrow
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Stray, rocket league, cod, maybe some uno, fall guys. Gonna be a blast playing not sweaty stuffs for a month

livid plover
#

Fall guys, not sweaty? Oh hun...

carmine ibex
#

and a lot of times just turning the contrast up if game is SDR helps a LOT... they usually turn the contrast waaaay too down (as I posted an example of a massive improvement)

amber sparrow
#

Forknut if it'll run halfway decent

silver fable
#

I don't want to alt-tab out, as it sorta breaks it. This looks right?

amber sparrow
#

Sure

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Let er rip

silver fable
#

No need for DSR when your cap card, that's the only thing plugged in, is 4k. Monitor resizes it for me. ๐Ÿ™‚

amber sparrow
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Ooooo

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Fancy pants

silver fable
#

Also, yeah, 93 - 103 seems like what I get. Still not sure what DLSS res to pick, so just picked 720p? :/

carmine ibex
#

I wouldn't go below 1080p

amber sparrow
#

Yea. The article didn't mention specifics so idk

uneven spear
amber sparrow
#

No clue what their render rez was

silver fable
#

Going up to 1080p drops FPS to around 70.

amber sparrow
#

That sounds about right(I think)

silver fable
#

100% GPU utilization.

carmine ibex
#

720p isn't enough for DLSS to work properly

amber sparrow
#

But I would then expect 3090 to outpace 2080ti by a good bit more than that

carmine ibex
#

so you kinda need 1080p+

silver fable
#

Straight up 4k, no DLSS is a whopping SC 24 fps.

amber sparrow
#

Bahahaha

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That poor 2080ti being slapped around

silver fable
#

and it looks no better than with DLSS on.

amber sparrow
#

Dlss is good

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Real good

#

#dlssForAllGames

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And SB better not come in here with that magpie crap

#

I tried it, it's horrible

#

0/10. Worst gaming experience I've ever had

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I also don't care what people say, full screen runs smoother than any windowed variant

uneven spear
#

What's magpie, owo?

amber sparrow
#

The open sourced amd fsr thing

uneven spear
#

Ohhhhh, owo.

amber sparrow
#

Can be basically globally applied to anything

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It's crap tho

carmine ibex
#

I wish more games had DLAA... I still see more aliasing and blurriness with any DLSS

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have not tried DLDSR

uneven spear
#

Are you saying that SB crows about magpie? khappy5 khappy5 khappy5

Sorry. Had to. Puns. You know me.

amber sparrow
silver fable
uneven spear
#

How is this 27 FPS?! o.=.o... It looks so simple. D:

carmine ibex
#

oof

karmic tiger
silver fable
#

Slightly better shot. At least more going on. Same FPS, though.

carmine ibex
#

hmm, I tried DLDSR but the performance is the same as DSR and there's still tons of aliasing.. guess it's back to TAA
I set the in-game resolution to 6144x3240... that's what you're supposed to do, right?

silver fable
#

Is your monitor 6144x3240?

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If not, then no.

carmine ibex
#

what? isn't this how DSR works...

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also, apparently it's not giving me 16:9 aspect ratio resolutions... cause the stupid display has 4096 x 2160 and it's going off of that

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wtf, there's still lots of aliasing and my framerate is half of what it was at 3840 x 2160... well, 4x resolution = 2x performance decrease that's not too bad but... there's like no benefit... guess you do just need TAA...

silver fable
#

Well, yes, that is how DSR works. I read DLDSR as DLSS, and that's not how that one works, well, not really.

carmine ibex
#

something tells me it's not working right cause there's still tons of shimmering on the foliage and it's running at 8192 x 4320.. yes.. not filling up the whole screen cause not 16:9... stupid Nvidia thinking that's what is optimal for my screen.... buuuuut...

amber sparrow
#

DLDSR was a sham in my testing . I had the same exact fps as just DSR

carmine ibex
#

I wonder if not all games support it

vernal current
#

anyone know a good place to download 4k HDR demos to showcase on a TV?

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I found some IMAX demos, but they dont seem to be 4k or have HDR despite saying so

carmine ibex
#

Youtube?

vernal current
#

i thought the bit rate would be bad?

#

and can you even download HDR videos from youtube?

#

or the better question to ask is "how to download HDR videos from youtube?"

carmine ibex
#

YT-DLP
It's usually not bad.. YT treats 4k HDR content as high quality

vernal current
#

i downloaded this stunning 4K HDR video from sony 4 years ago

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now i cant remember where i got it from

silver fable
#

What about that? ^

amber sparrow
#

What about love?

silver fable
#

Baby, don't hurt me, don't hurt me
No more

uneven spear
#

That's not love then, that's abuse. ksad5

silver fable
#

Not to everyone, it's not.

uneven spear
#

Those people need extra hugs from an outside source. I should know. x.=.x'

vernal current
#

i dont see where it says they are HDR

silver fable
#

Well, Dolby Vision

vernal current
#

so i should just assume they are all hdr then

silver fable
#

I would assume so, yes.

amber sparrow
#

You know what they say about ASSumptions

vernal current
#

thanks

uneven spear
#

What's this about Advanced Scene Swichter Umptions? ktwitch5

vernal current
#

btw I got an LG C1 today and it is way better than i thought it would be

#

I can already see the improvments

#

i have to use ARC until I get a proper receiver. I already miss my good audio ๐Ÿ˜ญ

carmine ibex
#

it is a very nice display
don't forget to turn off "energy saving" features

vernal current
#

yea im going through the settings

#

there are so many settings compared to my previous TV!

#

so far im disappointed with the HDMI semp link or cec...whatever its called

#

the one that lets you control all other devices from one remote

carmine ibex
#

if you want 4:4:4 you need to change input to pc
also don't do anything other than "game optimizer" preset with input pc unless you want "native" color gamut forced (which is fine.. but it over saturates by default)
and probably want to turn color temp a bit warmer ๐Ÿ˜‰
besides that, pretty good

vernal current
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i dont intend to use it for PC besides the odd presentation every now and then

#

it will be for consoles + movies

carmine ibex
#

ah, console could benefit a little from pc input but will be much more limited than an actual pc

vernal current
#

also this is the first time in maybe 15 years that i connect my stuff directly to the TV

#

always used a receiver for that

#

but since my current receiver doesnt support HDMI 2.1, im just using it for ARC

carmine ibex
#

unfortunately, if you use tv audio and game optimizer preset it's a horrible experience.. it keeps forcing "game optimizer" audio preset

#

you have to keep changing it back

vernal current
#

i turned game optimizer off

#

i just manually adjusted the settings

carmine ibex
#

if you don't use pc input the input lag is gonna be high

silver fable
#

Most things don't need HDMI 2.1, though, so you should still be good with going through the receiver.

vernal current
#

and someone needs to stop shipping TVs, with tru motion and what not, on

#

its absolute shit

carmine ibex
#

I think ALLM will force it into game optimizer anyway unless that is turned off

vernal current
#

i have no idea why its turned on as defualt

carmine ibex
#

I like it.. but "natural" (which is dejudder 5) is too high... 4 MAX, more like 3...

silver fable
#

Notice, I said "most things"

carmine ibex
#

I think "natural" is default?

vernal current
silver fable
#

Like, my Panasonic DP-UB9000, nor my nvidia Shield Pro needs it.

open rune
#

I fucking hate capture card audio routing

carmine ibex
#

well, "cinematic movement" is default on some presets.. that's the same as "dejudder 2" and keeps a lot of the cinematic feel of the content
unfortunately, any trumotion at all will cause flickering in darker scenes

open rune
#

Just for the record

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Fuck

silver fable
#

That's why I don't use capture card audio if I don't have to. ๐Ÿ™‚

vernal current
#

it was literally the first settings i went to...tru motion and turned it off

#

makes everything look like a home video

carmine ibex
#

I would suggest at least trying "cinematic movement" but I understand some don't like any at all

silver fable
#

Are you trying to tell me Gemini Man looks like a home movie? ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

vernal current
#

if it has tru motion? yes

silver fable
#

It's a crispy 4k60 movie. ๐Ÿ™‚

#

No tru motion, actual 4k60.

#

Much better than the Hobbit 48fps stuff they had in theaters forever ago.

carmine ibex
#

actual 60 is way better than trumotion... but I still think with a lot of video content it feels a bit... too smooth

silver fable
#

It looks amazing, to be honest. ๐Ÿ™‚

carmine ibex
#

30 I think is the sweet spot

#

for cinematic content, at least

#

btw, to turn off trumotion with Dolby Vision Cinema Home you need to turn off "auto genre selection"

#

which you prob already turned off anyway

vernal current
#

i just wish my reciever didnt turn off when i turn the tv off

#

i cant find the setting for it

silver fable
#

What's the receiver?

vernal current
#

onkyo

silver fable
#

It's HDMI CEC

#

Under HDMI Setup

vernal current
#

yea i mentioned that earlier...it turns it off completely

silver fable
#

Yup, it's all or nothing.

vernal current
#

on my previous TV, i could control volume, etc but turning the TV off wont turn the reciever off

silver fable
#

If you turn the TV off, don't you also want to turn off the receiver?

vernal current
#

i prefer to keep it on standby

#

the TV HDMI is connected to a switcher with my PC

#

so if im using the TV and then switch it off, it will switch off the other monitors connected to my PC on and off a couple of times before it goes to normal (dual monitor set up)

#

and usually will mess up my dual monitor settings for resolutuon and which display is #1 and which is #2

#

so keeping it on stand by resolves that issue for me

silver fable
#

For cinema movies, even 48 fps is considered HFR.

uneven spear
#

Strange. I wonder if I tripped some sort of motion interpolation, then, cuz I /know/ some of what I saw was 60. Just not remembering what.

#

I should mention that 60i is fine for me too. Like, if a movie is shot at 30 FPS but interlaced to 60, I can deal fine with that.

#

...What I said makes no sense. :| -- Point is, I can do 60p or 60i. Long as there's 60 updates of /some kind/ per second, I can usually tolerate an hour of it before really bad headaches come in.

silver fable
#

Don't go to the movies very often, do ya. LOL

uneven spear
#

I haven't in about 20 years. That was originally due to popcorn triggering misophonia, though.

karmic tiger
#

films not at 24 fps weirdly don't feel like films

uneven spear
#

You're right; to me, films at 24 feel like intense migraines. x.=.x...

silver fable
#

That's the opposite of what Pen said, though. ๐Ÿ˜

uneven spear
#

No, not because of stylistic choices. You know those eplepesy warnings that everyone ignores? I don't. I'm actually sensitive to that stuff, and it so happens that roughly 24-30 FPS triggers it really dang hard in me. <w<'

silver fable
#

Really, though, every single feature length film shows in theaters is filmed at 24fps. Even the newest films.

karmic tiger
#

no, I do understand that

uneven spear
#

Part of why I have embeds off is that the .gifs trigger it if they're big enough.

uneven spear
#

I've said that I haven't gone to a cinema in twenty years. I've said that maybe I had MI turned on or something, maybe it's my player or TV, dunno.

silver fable
wise bayBOT
#

Wondering what the logo and banner on the OBS Community server are? They are the LGBTQ+ Pride flag, showing our support for Pride Month! For more information, click here

scarlet kernel
#

Open source software represents freedom for everyone. The Pride flag represents freedom for marginalized communities. If you're against Pride, you're against one of the core tenets of open source software.

Plus every single time someone tries to ask about the icon or makes a homophobic remark we extend the pride logo for a week.

jaunty fulcrum
#

Banned for this line

tawdry orbit
#

what is CoC

scarlet kernel
#

but like

#

I have to say

scarlet kernel
#

my lil message popped off

#

I feel good about that

karmic tiger
#

(very clearly not what they meant but check it out it's amazing)

scarlet kernel
#

I schooled the homophobe

karmic tiger
jaunty fulcrum
karmic tiger
#

ooooh

#

I do still prefer my interpretation that they thought chtullu is making shit gay

#

in part cause it'd be awesome

tawdry orbit
scarlet kernel
#

Ahhhhh

tawdry orbit
scarlet kernel
#

I literally went to "Clash of Clans" and "Call of Cthulhu" too

karmic tiger
#

XD

scarlet kernel
#

SPEAKING OF BOARD GAMES

#

I GOT SOMETHIGN EPIC FOR CHRISTMAS AND I WANNA SHOW IT OFF NOW THAT I KNOW THERE ARE TT NERDS HERE

karmic tiger
#

show?

scarlet kernel
#

One of the final production run copies

#

Apparently

#

This lil fucker was hard as heck to find

karmic tiger
#

oooooooooo

#

fokin noice

scarlet kernel
#

And I have refused to play it until I can get these absolutely fucking gorgeous minis painted

karmic tiger
#

is it fun

uneven spear
#

November 28th, new end date for pride logo. We're almost into December! kyds5

tawdry orbit
#

Yus!

silver fable
scarlet kernel
scarlet kernel
#

BUT LOOK AT THIS DETAIL

#

They're gonna be so much fun to paint when I can afford it

silver fable
#

There are so many expansions. So many...

silver fable
# scarlet kernel I didn't know there were any *_*

https://amzn.com/dp/B07YC8SN8T/ - Wave 3: Character Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B081TN12BY/ - The Last Giant Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B07BKSSXS6/ - Darkroot Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B07YCTT9QM/ - Explorers Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B08C4SLWZ8/ - Manus, Father of The Abyss Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B07BKPDRVX/ - Vordt of The Boreal Valley Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B07YCVZ3ZD/ - Wave 3: Iron Keep Expansion
https://amzn.com/dp/B07BKQLZQ5/ - Wave 2: Black Dragon Kalameet

Maybe more?

#

Obviously, that's a horrible order I put those in, so sorry about that. ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

scarlet kernel
#

If I had the money

#

Mmh

uneven spear
#

I think that this is too much DLC for a table top. ktwitch5

silver fable
#

Yeah, none of them are cheap. :/

silver fable
civic quarry
#

good looks!

scarlet kernel
#

I needed to watch CODA so

#

coolio

civic quarry
#

i wanted to watch that planet earth but dinosaur thing

uneven spear
#

Ark? khappy5

dawn fossil
#

Better than the French film it's based on, that's for sure

#

In that one, the actors aren't Deaf. Just random flailing rather than proper LSF

#

But in CODA, proper ASL

scarlet kernel
#

Mhm, that's why I was excited

#

LSF is basically pre-ASL so I could usually get a rough idea

#

But i would be inordinately angry if I just saw fake sign

#

that shit isn't joke-worthy

dawn fossil
#

I did prefer the songs in the French film. They were a bit more thematically relevant. But that didn't translate, and understandably so

hearty stirrup
#

<@&715347355565817879>

still turret
#

2slo5me

#

sapiens wins again :(

open rune
#

Provo looks pretty

uneven spear
#

It was unfair. I PMed him cuz the guy's About Me was weird so he was already paying super-attention.

dawn fossil
#

Why'd that person get broomed?

#

I only saw their weird About Me, did they say anything else weird?

open rune
#

They fired up the spam machine

uneven spear
#

Lots of weird spam and other weirdness.

open rune
#

Which was convenient because I wasn't sure what to do about them

dawn fossil
#

Oh well, job well done

civic quarry
#

can people follow me on twitch here?

wise bayBOT
dawn fossil
#

I follow people on Twitch who play games I enjoy, provide content I enjoy, have pleasant voices that I enjoy. Not just anybody who randomly asks ๐Ÿค”

shadow cipher
dawn fossil
shadow cipher
dawn fossil
#

Oh yeah

scarlet kernel
shadow cipher
#

yea same lol

dawn fossil
#

More that you don't play anything I'm interested in :P

scarlet kernel
dawn fossil
#

But you know what, I'm gonna give you a follow anyway, so there

scarlet kernel
#

(JK ILYSM)

dawn fossil
#

Be my guest lol

shadow cipher
civic quarry
#

how did i not follow you! i do now

#

and my lights are blinking in my room so i'm going to assume you followed me too

dawn fossil
#

I did ๐Ÿ˜„

#

That's a fun automation to have

civic quarry
#

yeah my light panels, desk lights, and ceiling lights all started flashing haha

dawn fossil
#

Imagine you get followed by a bunch of bots all at once. Cheap, efficient strobe lighting

civic quarry
#

secret: all my lighting channel points are 1 point and work to control my lights whenever my PC is on

scarlet kernel
dawn fossil
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If I had my own room, I might come up with such a system

silver fable
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My PC room is also my bedroom, so i'd only be able to do that with it off while I'm not streaming.

civic quarry
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i love my room. i spent so much time on it.

dawn fossil
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I stream from the lounge because I use my TV as my monitor ๐Ÿ˜„

civic quarry
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reference of the room if you haven't seen it...also my bedroom ๐Ÿ˜„

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it's funny i have a whole house and i still choose to keep my stuff in my room

scarlet kernel
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It's because its ya sanctuary

dawn fossil
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It is a nice setup

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I wish I had that kind of space

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So my next apartment, I definitely want an extra bedroom for streaming

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Thing is, hubby and I have always had our computers in a common area, so it feels lonely when I'm not in the same room as him

civic quarry
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yeah i have an empty office on the main floor but i like things how they are now

lavish pendant
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Hiii

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Uhm I was just wondering how you retrive the files that you record?

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*retrieve

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Neverming! ๐Ÿ˜…

wise bayBOT
uneven spear
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#windows-support message -- This guy's "stopping recording" button gets stuck every time he tries to end it. I think this might be related to that one AMD bug that I can't ever remember how to fix. Can anyone take a glance, owo?

sick cedar
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@uneven spear update drivers :) that's it

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Can't help, boarding plane

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!gpua

wise bayBOT
silver fable
uneven spear
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THank! OwO!

wise bayBOT
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civic quarry
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Ugh I get lost in the code sometimes

carmine ibex
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hmm, GPU power consumption drops 4 watts at idle with nothing moving/updating on the screen if I set frame rate to 24 instead of 120

livid plover
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I don't think screens enjoy suddenly having no data fed/not being fed consistently

carmine ibex
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well, obviously there's something going on... maybe the OS asks the GPU every time the screen refreshes.. even if nothing at all actually changes on the screen

tall vapor
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lower screen refresh rate prolly allows vmem to downclk some more

carmine ibex
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I think the GPU usage is basically zero... but the card I think puts the cores into a power save state when nothing at all is happening... so it's probably having to exit that more frequently smolThink

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no, the card is clocked all the way down and GPU usage is 0 to 1%... yet wattage goes from 15 to 11 when I change screen refresh from 120 to 24 and both with nothing moving on the screen at all

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but I know the card has essentially C-states and I guess it can't enter as deep of a state/for as long if the OS keeps asking the card for a screen refresh... even if nothing actually changes
that's my only guess on what is happening

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GPU effective clock in HWiNFO goes from about 80 to 50 with 120hz versus 24 so yeah... cores aren't in a sleep state for as long... only logical explanation is when screen refresh is set to 120, the OS asks the GPU 120 times a second to refresh the screen.. or something like that... idk

smoky rapids
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Furry thingie spotted

amber sparrow
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My kid loves opossums

scarlet kernel
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dude

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opossums are adorable

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they are literally just noodle cats.

amber sparrow
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Sure...if ur into creepy ass creatures

scarlet kernel
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tons of my friends have domesticated raccoons or opossums

amber sparrow
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I'll take a trash panda over an opossum

uneven spear
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I have a prod named Trashpanda! kyay5

smoky rapids
amber sparrow
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I saw a tiktok where dude owns a skunk named atari I think

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It's hilarious

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I want a skunk because of it

karmic tiger
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possums are cool

amber sparrow
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But apparently they don't play nice with other pets

karmic tiger
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tho the true cat noodles are ferrets

amber sparrow
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Ferrets smell

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BAD

uneven spear
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That's ambigious. Do you mean that they're anosmic, or do they emit their own foul oders?

scarlet kernel
uneven spear
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Cat rats? You mean carrots?

karmic tiger
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yee

uneven spear