off-topic

[left heart]

I typically use Siril, which is great for deep sky work but that's not really made for the eclipse photos I'm editing rn

and my planetary imaging workflow also isn't appropriate for this, so gimp it is

not paying a photoshop subscription for a one time thing

[sick cedar]

Ah, I see. Yeah, I don't remember what I used to use for stacking astro. Not tried on a few years

[left heart]

pixinsight is the gold standard commercial software

a bit pricey, but very powerful

I used to use deepskystacker, but it's pretty old now and siril works phenomenally well

and my planetary workflow is preprocessing with PIPP, stacking with AS!3, and just using registax for wavelet deconvolution

however, none of those seem to be able to handle registration and alignment for something that has the insane dynamic range of bracketed eclipse photos. there's also not a lot of detail for them to assign alignment points on. so manual it is

[sick cedar]

That's the one

[sick cedar]

Was nowhere near any of that :p

[left heart]

planetary is weird

it's basically video processing, which is my primary interaction with everything video related outside of rarely streaming stuff to my friends

[sick cedar]

Yeah, feels more like a math/science thing rather than photography

Imo

[left heart]

there's also some really fun stuff you can do if you have an extraordinarily good telescope (or an imaging sensor with particularly large pixels)

it's originally a processing algorithm made for Hubble photos, where the optics were corrected to the point where the sensor was undersampling the airy disk that the telescope produced

which isn't very desirable, but you can do something called Drizzle to reconstruct the image. I'd link a webpage that describes it, but it seems to be down for maintenance: https://www.stsci.edu/~fruchter/dither/drizzle.html

and yes, it's very much in the science side of things, you have to ensure all measurements are preserved

fortunately for the practical side of things, it's just a checkbox in a lot of processing software

unfortunately, most people don't know when to use it and just see "3x" and think "ooh, 3x resolution, gimme!" and just introduce weird grid artifacts in their lunar images

[amber sparrow]

Fancy mermaid drink. Vodka I think. Has shark gummies

[left heart]

looks refreshing, I could use an iced drink

[sudden adder]

Im enjoying a mead

[civic quarry]

never had mead, what's it like?

[opaque halo]

Mead is basically white wine but instead of using grapes for the fermentation, honey is used.

[civic quarry]

hmm sounds delicious

[opaque halo]

It's thought that mead predates beer / ale 🙂

[oblique jacinth]

Hey all

Glad to join to the community

[proper valve]

Hi

[opaque halo]

Sapiens - your PFP looks like a demented Furby

[open rune]

You wound me

[opaque halo]

but... it is a furby

[silver fable]

Looks positively berserk.

[smoky rapids]

speaking of furby https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsoEoPBK3g4

[solid merlin]

What is a good alternative to Youtube other than Odysee and Bitchute not asking about a front Youtube alternative what do you recommend?? Obysee videos can have a max of 16k bitrate and 1080p that is out for me I upload 1440p and 4k videos, Bitchute is out to it mostly for hardcore right wing maga types.

[prisma dove]

Vimeo

[solid merlin]

Viemo is mostly a payed service for top end content creators

[prisma dove]

You asked for alternatives. Maybe if you qualify your question with "what would be a good alternative for you". There really aren't many big enough to be a significant alternative, just depends on your needs.

[solid merlin]

I do not care it they are not super popular

[prisma dove]

Then what would make a good alternative for you?

[solid merlin]

Any video site that is not full of right wingers allows 4k uploads and it not super strict with the videos you can upload??

[tall vapor]

so you want paid for features without paying for it

that's pretty much what this boils down to

[prisma dove]

That's what it sounds like.

[solid merlin]

I am not a big time content creator

[prisma dove]

weirdos and nut jobs are everywhere, from all politcal sides.

you could host your own server, and it would fit your three qualifications: no right wingers (because you control the access), you set the quality, and you don't have to be super strict on your own content.

[silver fable]

Other than starting your own server to do what you want, there really isn't an alternative to YouTube that meets your requirements.

[tall vapor]

The folk who pay for it make the rules, simple as

[dawn fossil]

It's a sad fact that there's only one game in town

All the competitors come and go, change business model, etc.

[tall vapor]

The "upload as much as ya want, serve it to everyone who wants to watch&don't pay a single dime for it all" business model ain't exactly the most lucrative, and is hella expensive to run as well

[dawn fossil]

I wonder if that's why Dailymotion's search has always been so crap and its service so slow outside of Europe

Crap search? Never show the users what they want to see. Exist entirely in embeds.

[tall vapor]

The comment section was removed completely around 2018, and the view counter was removed in mid-2021. On June 1 to 2, 2022, the picture-in-picture view mode which allowed browsing the site while playing a video in the lower-right corner of the screen was removed.

Yeah, pretty much

[copper pasture]

As if DailyMotion is for anything but finding pirate videos that don't get taken down because nobody really cares about what's on DailyMotion

It's for 480p videos of old TV shows

It's kinda amazing it still exists to be honest

[dawn fossil]

I never quite figured out how 480p video would buffer so much from Dailymotion

Granted, it's probably optimised for connections for Europe rather than NZ

But still, it felt like the server was running on an old Compaq Presario in someone's uncle's shed in their back garden

[tall vapor]

Ye. Dailymotion is mostly used as a video hoster by european news sites&such these days

that's all I see when I visit the site, at least

[marsh helm]

ive never seen it at all here

i remember some places used to use Vimeo

[livid plover]

vimeo has always struck me as more of an art/professional hosting site

the tiltshift movie, etc.

i think my mom's yoga class used vimeo?

my physio did too actually, now that i think of it

[silver fable]

Is it because they rhymed?

[livid plover]

no, but i've just brely crawled out of bed and haven't felt right in the head since last night for some reason

[copper pasture]

That's what Vimeo used to be but not really anymore, they've basically pivoted to trying to be more like Brightcove

[livid plover]

literally never heard of that one

[copper pasture]

It's enterprise video hosting

[livid plover]

figured as much, so you never see the name outside of diving into code

[dawn fossil]

Yeah, always see it in direct video URLs

[sick cedar]

playing the learn git game. Its fun, and fairly ok/accurate, some minor problems, but not bad

[silver fable]

Just gotta git gud.

[sick cedar]

nothing but gold so far

[livid plover]

speedrun time

git repo bork %

[untold valley]

hi

[wary holly]

Does anyone have Discord "boosts" left? I'd like to upload something here that's 75 MiB, but can't, 13/14.

[sick cedar]

how is that gonna help? 😛 HEVC wont embed on discord afaik

[surreal owl]

Guys, why doesn't VCE show up in Handbrake? I don't need it now but I'd like to figure it out before I'll need it ASAP.

[livid plover]

Enabled it in settings?

[tall vapor]

handbrake doesn't support vaapi for some reason

they only support the proprietary drivers (ie amf) cause it's the same as it's on windows

[surreal owl]

Hm... Can I install those without breaking my system?

My iGPU isn't RDNA

[tall vapor]

oh you will break things

[surreal owl]

Awh :<

Well

Then I'll leave it like this

[tall vapor]

amf /w the non-proprietary drivers (ie with the mesa stack, leaving only amf as the proprietary component) is still very much experimental at best

I mean everything in the end is just an ffmpeg gui&ffmpeg actually supports whatever ya throw at it, soo

I used to have a couple shortcuts/scripts on me desktop on which I could drag&drop whavever I need to be reencoded and it'd be outputted to me output dir. All done with ffmpeg, of course 🤷‍♀️

[prisma dove]

Server members can create polls? #windows-support message

[terse helm]

ya

there's no permission for it

[prisma dove]

well there goes the neighborhood

[livid plover]

average discord moment

[prisma dove]

lol

[tall vapor]

once folk be back from the weekend they'll undoubtedly be scrambling to implement a perm for poll creation.... if they're thinking, that is

[prisma dove]

give them time to recover from that Vegas binge

[tall vapor]

Yeah true. Perm should be implemented by Apr 19th, then. Apr 19th 2027, that is

[livid plover]

sounds like a bit tight of a deadline per usual discord time ™️

[tall vapor]

Used to think that things take forever according to Valve time.... until I got introduced to discord time

[copper pasture]

adding polls but not adding a permission for it really just screams cutting corners

[hearty stirrup]

putting it under the "worst for moderation purposes" permission is the dumb part

[copper pasture]

I think if there's no permission then you can probably do the whole thing almost entirely in client

[hearty stirrup]

many servers that don't want users to create polls already don't want users creating threads

so if they didn't want to make a new permission, putting it under threads would have been the smarter option

[copper pasture]

I remember seeing articles a while back about how the work culture at Discord changed a lot since a bunch of ex Meta people joined the company as managers, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is related somehow

complete wild guessing obviously

[dawn fossil]

I’ve always seen Discord as a shitshow

The company

Weird priorities all the time

[copper notch]

Finally got around to installing LM Studio on my laptop. I fully expected it to be a complete waste of time as it is 7th gen 7700HQ with NVIDIA 1050/4GB, so no NPU capabilities. To my surprise many LLM models actually load and run on the CPU with some CUDA offload with reasonable performance. Shocking.

Although it doesn't install system-wide like a typical application, but rather installs per-user in odd location like Discord does, so I had to install it separately in each user account, and the LLMs take up considerable space per-user, so I moved them and set up junction points to share them all between accounts. The upside is any LLM installed by any account is available to all accounts which is convenient.

[dark crescent]

Yellow

Anyone know how to contact google or YouTube

[dawn fossil]

They have contact forms on their web sites

What do you want to contact them about?

[dark crescent]

Some YouTube stuff since they own YouTube apparently

Mainly about YouTube not letting me stream

[dawn fossil]

Have you enabled your account for streaming already?

[dark crescent]

Yup

I did it like a month ago and it didn’t work so I re did it like a week ago and still don’t work

Maybe I’m bugging

[dawn fossil]

Hmm, might be worth popping into a support channel to see if they can help diagnose the issue

Might be a misconfiguration on the OBS Studio side, which they can help with

Try #windows-support (if you use Windows)

[dark crescent]

Yea I tried but one of them said that they don’t know what to do about it

[dawn fossil]

Hm

Oh yeah, I see

The only thing I can suggest is trying signing out of your YouTube account and back in

In OBS Settings -> Stream

[dark crescent]

Yep tried everything nothing works

But thanks

[open rune]

Account is verified with an associated phone number? It's usually that or the wrong account selected under Settings > Stream which it sounds like you checked already

[dark crescent]

Yea it’s vertifiyed with my number and I have a video verification

[dark crescent]

Google is a bit goofy sometimes

[copper pasture]

google is one of the most opaque companies ever in terms of getting support from them, unless you are talking about Google Apps (enterprise service)

[solemn carbon]

What's the best video editing app and best software for whiteboard animation?

[dark crescent]

Yea the google app I can’t find where to talk to a real person

[copper pasture]

unless you are a paying customer you basically can't

[terse helm]

I had to call them once for support on a google apps thing and people around me were like "You can call google!?"

[pastel stratus]

You can call them?

[uneven spear]

Elaborate! D:

[open rune]

Just never use MiB ever

[tall vapor]

I use MiB when the thing is in MiB, can't be arsed to convert for no reason

it amuses me when windows labels TiB/GiB/MiB/whatever as TB/GB/MB. Or rather..... annoys.

[open rune]

I think I've encountered one, maybe two programs that required using MiB and I just assumed the authors were evil people

[tall vapor]

yer 1TB drive being 931.323GiB is perfectly normal. Windows claims it to be 931.323GB though, and that's where the issue lies.

[open rune]

Gonna put that one in the dgaf bucket

[tall vapor]

ye idc either, it just annoys me when things aren't properly labelled

[open rune]

Binary was a mistake

[terse helm]

imagine how advanced we'd be if we'd made our computers ternary

[tall vapor]

not very

binary is simple, and that's important because it's /fast/ and reliable

[terse helm]

yes but imagine a boolean that could have 3 states

true, false, dgaf

[tall vapor]

I prefer to be explicit

ya know, defined behaviour

[terse helm]

so true, false, fuck you

[tall vapor]

That computer won't work though

if ya used the 3rd state for anything but a fuzzy bit, I suppose. Use of which is also rather limited, for that matter (was used in Floppy DRM schemes&such)

such multi state systems are used in flash storage though. Ie MLC, TLC, QLC&such

... which all map back to binary

[tall vapor]

theory is rather simple. Have 3 voltage levels instead of 2. 0, 3.3&5 ; for example. Practice though.... actually doing something with that requires logic. And how would ya make that logic if yer trying to make logic in the first place? I mean you can have yer normal binary logic there to build up to get that 3 state system working, of course...

At which point ya end up with a normal binary system used to interpret that more complex system. Makes sense for things like flash storage (which is why it's literally being done), not so much for anything compute though cause there the overhead of having to translate everything will make that system hella expensive, power hungry, unreliable (can work around that, just requires extra logic ontop which increases power consumption, slow and price even further) and slow all at the same exact time

So yeah. There are applications, but general purpose computing or what you call a processor in the sense we talk abt these days ain't one of em

We do things the way we do them because it's what ended up working

If ya want non-discrete states look into analog circuitry

[livid plover]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58754860/cmd-opens-windows-store-when-i-type-python

[civic quarry]

did you click the link and read?

[livid plover]

read all of it, comments included

welcome to windows, it's 3 or more layers of seperate settings windows of varying ages that all have some, but never full overlap

[tall vapor]

welcome to Windows indeed

[sick cedar]

are we having fun yet? 🙃

[livid plover]

what is computering but an unfortunate string of sufferings?

[civic quarry]

heh i use python and python3 but never py

[tall vapor]

ye, py ain't really a thing anyway

[sick cedar]

not with that attitude 😔

thanks discord, for your monthly complete reshuffling of the emote order

:hand_with_index_finger_and_thumb_crossed: yes, exactly what I intended

:pens

hoooow?

[tall vapor]

You don't just type colon emotename (or at least start it&tab) (colon)?

[sick cedar]

I do

and pens -> went there

[tall vapor]

tf.

[sick cedar]

LMAO

[tall vapor]

for me it matches to pensive, the way it should

thought you were talking abt the emoji picker ui at first

[sick cedar]

for the non-believers

[tall vapor]

...they flipped it. Why.

[sick cedar]

pensive is always at the top, but not today 😛

Its not the first time, its just very funny

[tall vapor]

Go home discord, you're drunk

[sick cedar]

this one is my favorite shuffle

im like, what the hell is that? Am I begging for money?

[tall vapor]

those are :pen_

[sick cedar]

whelp, I've gotten sucked into another idle type game. Dont start synergism

[livid plover]

[late surge]

this virtual camer is on top!

( stop virtual camera button ran out of space xD )

[terse helm]

works as expected here

[left heart]

here's what I've got...

[left heart]

O_o

[sick cedar]

pensive cowboy is a banger, but I dont have it anymore

[late surge]

[terse helm]

you have nitro though so you can just make your own discord server and upload it there

[lilac stag]

Good Evening Everyone! Hope you all had a blessed weekend and hope this week is a good one for you.

[raw shuttle]

anyone know what to look up for that like shrieky slasher movie sound affect

like in the psycho shower scene

wait nm i think i found something that works

[terse helm]

like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfthzU3V4zo

[raw shuttle]

yea that

[winged panther]

.

[marsh helm]

https://www.techpowerup.com/321574/sony-playstation-5-pro-specifications-confirmed-console-arrives-before-holidays

[tropic wasp]

how are ypu guys

o

[sick cedar]

Pretty good 🙂 Got my coffee, just starting the day

how about you?

[marsh helm]

my paws are cold 😦

[sick cedar]

you dont, in this server 😛

elsewhere, right click on a comment

[terse helm]

I think most servers have it disabled for randos

Since it’s nigh impossible to moderate effectively

[void gorge]

finally found an arc a380 for sale 😄
£130 a good price for the Asrock
Low Profile 6GB version?

[livid plover]

huh, guess obs on my laptop didn't enjoy being ignored when i launched it so it just decided to crash for attention...?

[amber sparrow]

!s @livid plover

[wise bay]

@livid plover

If you need help or have questions about OBS, check out our #support-portal first!

[amber sparrow]

[livid plover]

istg i had dark theme before and it seemingly defaulte dback to yami cursed all arounds

must be from sitting next to 2 iphones, all the bad yuyu leaking over

[marsh helm]

obs has been the most complicated yet easy application ive ever used

[amber sparrow]

@civic quarry you start watching fallout?

[civic quarry]

i tried :/

2 episodes and i was bored but also might have been slightly distracted

[amber sparrow]

Bored? That's odd and sad

I fell asleep starting 3 last night. I think it's been fun and brutal so far

[open rune]

Did you ever play fallout

[amber sparrow]

I never really got into the game

[karmic tiger]

play fnv

[amber sparrow]

I think I've probably got less than 20 hours into fallout as a series

[livid plover]

There there

[terse helm]

I got a code for fallout for free from amazon prime

but it was for the windows store so

never mind

might watch the show though

[silver fable]

Fallout Tactic is free on GoG from Prime

I only see Fallout 76 as avaiable on the Microsoft Store, so not really a good starting Fallout game, to be fair.

[terse helm]

it was 76 yes

[silver fable]

Which is the online multiplayer only Fallout, so not really a real Fallout game anyways.

[terse helm]

oh well

even more never mind then

[karmic tiger]

fnv was the last real fallout :3

[silver fable]

It, and 3, were both available free on Epic a while back.

[terse helm]

yeah I don't check that store for the freebies enough

[civic quarry]

no

[open rune]

I can see how it might be less engaging but I still think it's really well done

[terse helm]

why are reactions turned off in the support channels?

[civic quarry]

they end up being kind of annoying

[terse helm]

tbh I knew the answer before I even asked it

children

[civic quarry]

i think stickers are too but i forget

[silver fable]

Oh, no, stickers are not disabled. I've seen them pop up on occaision.

[civic quarry]

stickers from other servers maybe?

[silver fable]

Not even those. I think it's a limitation on Discord perms? To be honest, I have no idea the real reason, but I'm sure it's a Discord side thing.

[terse helm]

Unlike polls

[silver fable]

I certainly won't be "that guy" that uses those things in a support channel, though. they're massive, and rather annoying if animated.

[terse helm]

Stickers do have some sort of perms

[open rune]

Stickers for me, not for thee

[terse helm]

Just external stickers though

Do if you don’t want people to use stickers just turn that off and don’t upload any

[silver fable]

I made a sticker on my server to go along with the one Sapiens used to use with the post-it note. LOL

[open rune]

Found one for @carmine ibex

[karmic tiger]

cute

[upbeat wing]

https://www.fanatical.com/en/game/streamer-life-simulator Free on Fanatical for six more days

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[dawn fossil]

Doesn’t look like self-advertising to me

[karmic tiger]

not self, but it is advertisement for others

[dawn fossil]

I think that’s usually for other people’s stream links more so than a free game

[amber sparrow]

Yea pen. Don't be so rigid 😉

[dawn fossil]

Non-rigid pen

[amber sparrow]

[karmic tiger]

lmao

[dawn fossil]

Explorer honestly trash

[uneven spear]

It's trying to make a thumbnail. It has to finish first before it can rename it, owo. Alternatively, kill explorer.exe, and use cmd.exe to rename it. -w-.

[copper pasture]

why are both Explorer and Finder just trash apps

they're super important but they both suck

[dawn fossil]

Not even a log-out-log-in or normal restart?

[jaunty fulcrum]

yeah I would have suggested a normal reboot first

[amber sparrow]

Make sure there isn't a ghost key being "pressed"

I recently ran into my f7 spamming even with keeb disconnected

Had to use powertoys to fully disable it

I used this to identify what was happening
https://unixpapa.com/js/testkey.html

Still unsure as to the why

Because it persists across multiple keyboards after some time. My sneaking suspicion is windows being borked but it was just easier to move on with my life and game by disabling f7

[long jay]

https://music.apple.com/us/album/cant-stay-mad/1735574425?i=1735574624

[tropic wasp]

hi guys

nee hepl

help

d

[copper pasture]

if you need help you need to go to #support-portal

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[proper valve]

Hi off-topic

[marsh helm]

[livid plover]

wide

[terse helm]

inb4 how can I stream without black bars

[livid plover]

just crop smh

the viewers will never know

[civic quarry]

hi

[amber sparrow]

Playing fps games at super ultrawide is fucking nauseating

But something like fifa or diablo is glorious

[civic quarry]

What are you talking about?

computers?\

[amber sparrow]

Read the room bueller

Bueller?

Bueller?

[terse helm]

Büller?

[civic quarry]

ok but what Bueller means

[amber sparrow]

Only one of the greatest pop culture references of all time

[livid plover]

mr Ferris Wheel indeed

[civic quarry]

sorry English is my seccond language

[terse helm]

ngl

never seen that movie

[amber sparrow]

Well you are a tool so I'm not shocked

[terse helm]

if I'm a tool you're a nut

[amber sparrow]

If it's not in forknut it doesn't exist to you haha

[amber sparrow]

This may be one of the nicest things you've ever said to me

[terse helm]

oh oops

[amber sparrow]

Bahaha

I enjoy our back and forth shit talk

[livid plover]

socket meets screw

[civic quarry]

What are you using? MacOS or Windows or Linux?

[amber sparrow]

Windows for my smooth brain

[civic quarry]

hahah jeez

Thank you!

[terse helm]

all of the above

I also used to use Solaris but when Oracle bought Sun I did not continue that venture

because oracle can fuck all the way off

[tall vapor]

I used to use Solaris too on a sparcstation, quickly migrated over to Debian though (that machine was already out of date when I got it, classic hand-me-down situation). Been one with the Tux ever since

[full fern]

Welcome to the club! I think we have all done it at one point or another. Sorry bout your lost footage though. It sucks

[proper valve]

I did that and got really mad

[prisma dove]

@onyx void try not describing a feature you want, but instead describe what you are doing now with OBS and how you would like to improve your workflow in OBS.

[uneven spear]

OwO!

[karmic tiger]

oooh gg

[compact lark]

18,365 owo's
639 welks

[uneven spear]

🐌 . -w-.

[onyx void]

Here is an idea, feedback is requested, kindness is appreciated, and respect will be reciprocated.
Imagine a content producer, a content consumer, an existing video file, a created video file, and a new type of data. The created video is recorded while the existing video is being played back. The track time and play/pause state of the existing video can be arbitrarily set by the producer to anything, any number of times, during recording of the created video. For each track time of the created video there is a corresponding track time and play/pause state for the existing video, this mapping only goes from the created video to the existing video. Content from the existing video need not be captured by, or included in, the created video. This new type of data is most easily collected from the existing video while the producer records their created video. A simple playback layout would have the created video next to the existing video, where both videos are fully visible. The consumer would control playback of the created video and the existing video would follow along using this new data. Other development outside of OBS would be needed for playback using this method.

[prisma dove]

A lot of that can already be done with existing studio hardware. Expensive hardware, but that's what would be required. The "consumer" interaction, not sure what you mean by that, unless you mean control via live stream chat. But some of that control is already possible with different third party applilcations, like Touch Portal and Stream Deck.

[open rune]

So like the DVR feature in YouTube? I'm not sure I really follow this description

[prisma dove]

It sounds like they want to make a video about people watching videos, or a live stream/recording of people watching video, with audience interaction. My best guess. I'll go back to my grill. <pours another glass of wine>

[short arrow]

hey question; what are those numbers behind the server locations ?

[open rune]

Is this from stock OBS? I don't recall seeing those or having a chat add-ons section

[short arrow]

it is. It's when you're setting up your Twitch account to connect OBS to Twitch in the "Stream" setting

[civic quarry]

i am pretty sure its just some identifying number from the server

[onyx void]

my idea would be for non-streamed applications

[prisma dove]

And what would that be?

[open rune]

A practical application of this idea would be useful I think

[onyx void]

i mean non-live-streamed

[prisma dove]

which leaves... ? What is the use case? Stating a non-use case still leaves a lot of options.

[onyx void]

i tried mentioning the use case of "reaction videos" but that seemed contriversial

[compact lark]

anyone offer their experience when using these modems for a length of time?
my s33v2 has required more reboots within a single month, now a week, than I'd like to deal with

[open rune]

We need you to explain what you are trying to accomplish, not necessarily the technical details of how you want to accomplish it with OBS. We don't understand what this feature is supposed to do exactly, so providing a real world scenario where you are using it and explaining what the outcome is supposed to be would probably be helpful

Just saying reaction videos does not provide any additional insight

[onyx void]

can you describe what you think a reaction video is? because i think it is a clear use case

[open rune]

Are you under the impression that my question is what is a reaction video?

[uneven spear]

Do not get a Motorola Surfboard. I'd avoid Motorola entirely for docsis modems personally.

[onyx void]

no

[open rune]

The burden falls to you to explain what it is you actually want to accomplish with this feature in a way that can be understood. I feel like you're getting lost in the technical details of how you think it should work internally in OBS instead of providing a more basic explanation of the desired outcome, like I want users to be able to scrub to different parts of the original video and the reaction separately, or whatever

[prisma dove]

Right but are you using OBS for this use in a stream, in a recording or a virtual output? That's the practical use case we are looking for

[onyx void]

a recording

[open rune]

And you feel that that answer sufficiently answers my question?

[uneven spear]

I have an idea! OwO! We can give them "a solution", owo.

[open rune]

If you understand the request then feel free to offer suggestions, people have been trying that but I don't think we know what the ask is

Apparently asking for clarification is coming across more hostile than it should so knock yourself out

[uneven spear]

I don't either. I'm giving back what they give us, in exactly as much detail.

[open rune]

Oh damn lol

[civic quarry]

@onyx void it would probably help if you could explain your idea in the most simple form possible, probably only 1 sentence.

[onyx void]

I'm going to take a break now, I'll consider your feedback.

[compact lark]

surfboards start with SB, none in that list
that ubiquiti modem has intel puma SoC too, rls'd 4mo ago so I don't expect anyone to have a long term xp with it

[knotty arch]

I'm looking for insights into achieving a camera rig stream. I have seen on Twitch, creators switching from their PC scene to a wireless mobile rig. Is there an app or plugin involved such as switching from one PC to a rig or another PC without the stream stopping? I'm new to this and would apricate the input, thanks.

[smoky rapids]

The immediate one I can personally suggest from using is OBS-NDI

That would be the one on the OBS side of things.

!ndi

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[full fern]

^ This is great. Basically the stream is always running from the PC. The mobile stuff connects to it from afar

[smoky rapids]

Though if you plan on doing it outside of your home network the fun begins a little bit.

If it's strictly for in home then totes ezpz.

[full fern]

Yep haha

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[drowsy mason]

I think Corey above was saying, "hey, there's people that make reaction video content. But like, what if you could add metadata to the reaction video, so you can have a site/player that will play you the original video and seek around in and play/pause the original like the "reaction video" person did, so it's like you're watching along with the "reaction video" person."

Usually "reaction videos" will embed the original video in the "reaction" one. But maybe that has downsides of intellectual property concerns, besides quality loss of the original video being scaled down and re-encoded. If the original is available publicly, why not just fetch the original and play it back at full quality, side-by-side the reaction content?

[dawn fossil]

Even if you could add that metadata, there's no standard format for it — so how would any player be able to respect it?

Aside from which, most reaction videos are just doing full screen recordings of a web browser tab. There's not really anything to embed.

[drowsy mason]

I think it's the whole point is to put together the player/website what-have-you that can digest this new format. I'd picture a website that loads two videos and seeks the one based on metadata associated to the other one. [The metadata could be] Kind of like an extra track like subtitles, or something. (But I don't see why it'd [why the metadata would] have to be in the actual video file itself, necessarily. Could be a separate file, I guess. [JSON? I dunno.])

[dawn fossil]

I don't see that any such thing would work

It just sounds like TikTok stitches but for any video — but that presupposes people (A) would only use this one website that can interpret this additional metadata, (B) only react to videos that they can upload or link to in whatever they're recording, rather than do what they currently do and react to a screen recording which can capture none of that data anyway, (C) can be bothered to do any of that when they can't even be bothered to cite using text which is much easier

At the end of the day, people not citing things properly isn't OBS' problem

Or at least, it's not a problem in search of a technical solution

It's a legal/ethical one, and technology addresses such issues rather poorly

[drowsy mason]

I think OBS's role in this would be to record facecam of the reaction content person, and be aware of the original video's play/pause state, and seek timestamp, and just dump the play/pause and seek timestamps somehow.

FWIW I think two <video> elements, a JSON file with play/pause and seek events, and some JavaScript and this is doable in stock-standard websites/browsers today.

I dunno why I'm diving into someone else's idea in the wee hours in my timezone in OBS server's #off-topic channel, but yeah.

[dawn fossil]

That's asking OBS to build in a whole bunch of AI-powered heuristics-based detection. That's so amazingly outside the scope of the app.

Someone could make a plugin for such a thing

[drowsy mason]

I would think the browser or player the hypothetical "reaction content creator" would play the original vid on would report the play/pause and seek events to some OBS plugin, without AI or such.

[dawn fossil]

But I also reckon that's quite a long way from what the original user was suggesting

[drowsy mason]

I think I was just trying to explain the person's idea to people who were confused above, I think I should call it a day. I hope this helps someone or something. My gut is telling me it's time to sleep. (And time to stop, as the meme goes.)

[dawn fossil]

By the time post-production happens on videos, that data is going to be lost/mangled/incorrect anyway

[copper notch]

Sounds very impractical for a whole host of reasons. From an engineering perspective it would require software support on the streaming side (OBS plugin or similar), the client side (browser support or plugin), and the streaming service provider side (Twitch, YouTube etc.) especially where transcoding is concerned. Each one of these software points need to have buy-in from whoever needs to make decisions about these things, and commitment of resources. On the streaming side, that is simple enough, anyone can develop an OBS plugin and define a new "standard", and there are already plugins out there that can write timestamps out to a text file or metadata in an MKV file. On the client side, it'd have to gain the approval of a standards body and approval of the browser vendors to include support for a new industry standard. Seems very unlikely to get an industry standard or approval from any browser vendor for what amounts to a very niche hack feature that would exist solely to try to skirt copyright laws. I can't see it being a priority for any standards body or browser vendor, all of which would want to see valid use cases that have no legal related issues, and a real world demand for such a feature that isn't to skirt laws. That means it would have to be a 3rd party plugin browser-side and thus not have standardized support everywhere, requiring each user to install it on their playback device, and requiring custom plugins per browser/device. Seems quite unlikely.

But the real kicker, is that in order to get this metadata through from the streamer side to the client side, it has to pass through the service provider, meaning they would have to support this new feature through their stack including transcoding, and probably across multiple protocols and multiple codecs.

I'm sure they'd not put something that would exist solely to skirt copyright law as a high priority on their "things to spend our resources on" list.

However, if someone really wanted to do a super hack anyway just because...

They could embed the necessary metadata directly in the video itself, as a single black line at the top, bottom, or one side of the video, altering the shades of black to encode binary data. It would all look solid black to the human eye, however it'd have to be encoded in a way that survives lossy video encoding also. 🙂 The player would require a plugin to decode the information from the video. #superuglyasshack

Alternatively, could be embedded in an audio subcarrier

Good luck to anyone desiring such a feature in creating it. 🙂

Personally, what I'd like to see developed and added to OBS, streaming services, and video playback devices, is something that stops reaction content from being made, which becomes a mandatory standardized feature. 🙂

NVIDIA RTX DLNR (Deep Learning No Reactions)

[terse helm]

tbh I think there's a reckoning coming for this

like there's no way content owners are ok with people streaming their shows with a webcam window over it and "reacting" to it

they're juist building cases

[copper notch]

Yup, probably. They just wait to act until the money pot is big enough.

I'm kind of surprised we don't see/hear of more live stream takedowns. The software for it has existed for like 4-5 years now. Devin Nash made some videos demonstrating it years ago.

[terse helm]

I don't think I've ever seen live takedowns for music in practice

for stuff like people streaming big live events, yes

[copper notch]

There is another hack way to do this, at least on Twitch. I haven't seen anyone else speak of it publicly yet, and not sure if Twitch has considered the implications of their new features.

[karmic tiger]

I saw a live takedown, in 1998

when The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.

[copper notch]

They've got that new streamer side transcoding/multi-video-track feature they are rolling out in beta to select people. The intention is to have one video in multiple formats.

I can't see anything stopping someone from having multiple videos in one stream container, and the viewer being able to choose which stream they want to see.

[karmic tiger]

yeah one thing I could see being done with this is multiple PoV stream

[copper notch]

They could open up 2 windows, one for the streamer's camera shot, the other for the content they are streaming on a second video track

[terse helm]

they've considered that

[karmic tiger]

that would bhonestly be cool af

[terse helm]

but I dunno what they're doing against it

[karmic tiger]

I don't see why they need to do something against it

[terse helm]

if anything

[copper notch]

I thought it would be a neat feature to have multiple camera angles the viewer can choose from, but other ways of using it could exist too

[karmic tiger]

they need to make sure that all streams are monitored for ToS shit tho

[terse helm]

because I'm sure they don't want people to be streaming secret porn on their alternative resolution feed

[karmic tiger]

yee for collab streams it could be great

[copper notch]

They don't monitor streams currently so I don't see why they'd have to monitor them like this.

If someone broadcasts something that violates ToS, Twitch has no idea until viewers report it to them. This would be no different.

[karmic tiger]

meant check all streams when smth is reported, not just the main one

[copper notch]

Ah, yes

[drowsy mason]

Just wanna say nobody brought up IP/copyright until me, so I don't have any idea if that was the point. So definitely don't assume that was the original person's point.

And FWIW I was not meaning to imply piracy or skirting IP laws, there would presumably be some all-around 100% okay way of showing the original. Maybe a normal YouTube embed. (If embedding a YT video causes an IP rights problem, then half of the web is violating IP law. I think people can disallow embedding their YT videos on other sites if they really want?) When I said IP concerns, I meant every content creator knows that DMCA hammer is swinging every which way, even for completely unrelated or purely original content they're getting "copyright"-strikes on their videos, and creators might rather entirely avoid putting any video made by someone else in their content in the first place, even if it might debatably be fair use to talk over it, and instead have the end-viewer queue up the original side-by-side their video. (?) But also this is just my interpretation.

[dawn fossil]

You're about as good as me at going to bed when you say you're going to bed :P

[drowsy mason]

(Yeah.)

[dawn fossil]

(Kachin's worse than both of us)

[drowsy mason]

Maybe it's fair to debate whether reaction content is legitimate content, but the person who suggested this new idea thing did not invent reaction content, and I don't see why their suggestion is different than other reaction content wrt copyright/IP, much less better or worse. If anything it would make a clearer division between original and reaction content.

And I think y'all are overthinking "why this is needed" we don't need Facebook, we don't even need Twitch or YouTube. It's just if people decide websites are neat. Probably more because they've become a social phenomenon than because of the tech, to be honest. (IDK if the original person had the web in mind or not.)

[dawn fossil]

There's definitely a lot of overthinking going on, yep. That much is true.

[drowsy mason]

lmao (yes myself included)

[dawn fossil]

Hallmark of the server lol

[uneven spear]

I have somehow obtained the role of "Insomniac " elsewhere, owo.

[dawn fossil]

It's not undeserved :P

[terse helm]

their original point if I understood correctly was to avoid the copyright problem, yes, by showing the original video uploaded by the content owner (to say youtube), and having a mechanism for syncing the reaction content to that video

this then of course immediately started a discussion of whether reaction content should exist at all

[copper pasture]

I feel like syncing a reaction video to the original content shouldn't be a very big technical hurdle to cross, right

[terse helm]

not really

but the question was for OBS to support this somehow

[copper pasture]

I guess you might want to automate it a bit but you can write a plugin for obs without too much trouble

[terse helm]

but you could make a website for this with relative ease

[copper pasture]

or that yeah

[copper notch]

Could do that, but there would be a real big challenge synchronizing the live stream and the YouTube content fully. 2 different players on different platforms with different levels of buffering depending on a variety of factors. How to handle if the live stream or youtube side get congested etc.

[terse helm]

I don't think the question was about live streams

I may be wrong

[copper notch]

I can think of a variety of hypothetical solutions for this, but I find it difficult to see who would have the incentive to create a solution given the various problems and limited niche nature of it for all the effort involved.

[terse helm]

in any case

there are legitimate forms of reaction content that imo don't need any copyright avoiding because they're supported by copyright laws

[tall vapor]

...depending on your jurisdiction, of course

[terse helm]

of course

although realistically most copyright laws have some sort of allowance for using material for commentary or parody purposes

or for citations

[copper notch]

As a legal defense that can be used after someone is sued, yeah, but not pre-emptively.

[terse helm]

that is a different problem

this is solved by making it very unattractive for copyright owners to falsely challenge someone

meaning they really have to consider properly whether they think it is indeed a violation of their copyright, or face consequences

[copper notch]

I'd break the problem down into: Technical, legal, engineering of all components, buy in from any part of the pipeline if necessary, and then incentive for a creator to use it, and incentive for a viewer to use it if it isn't built into the given platform destination they're going to.

A big streamer could afford to hire coders to do the work if the streamer had enough incentive for it, and if they were popular enough they could potentially get viewers into their funnel.

Create a ... reacts.tv type site

Pay for it with gambling advertising.

🙂

[knotty arch]

Could I have assistance finding insights on "stream monitoring" or "stream health monitoring" and how to implement this feature in OBS? It's a service that monitors the health of your stream and provides an alert or signal message for viewers when the stream feed is lost and keeps the livestream active until feed is received again? Thanks.

[livid plover]

The thing twitch has?

You can't implement it client side, it has to be on the ingest since if you lose connection you can't send out the alert message either

[fervent sage]

What is this server

i forgor this

[prisma dove]

OBS Community, for the OBS Studio app, provided by OBS Project.

[fervent sage]

oh

[smoky rapids]

There is a thing that some IRL streamers use but I don't know exactly what that is offhand.

Plus it's not a cheap thing eather to my understanding.

Actually found it https://irltoolkit.com/

[full fern]

Oof, the monthly. Yikes

[smoky rapids]

The thing is the people who use this don't need to blink at either of the tier prices.

But us plebs will do a hard gulp

[fathom salmon]

Don't ever let anyone tell you there is something you cant do

you need fierce will to achieve anything in this world

[smoky rapids]

I'm not saying it's impossible but I like my monies elsewhere

[amber sparrow]

Loaded baked tater and slow cooker beef chunks

Wifey done goooooood

[surreal owl]

Guys, I've got a funny question.

If I'd have some 2008 or 2009 Linux PC with Ubuntu 10 or something like that, what recording software could I use there?

[wary holly]

Run it in a hypervisor, or use a capture card. I doubt ffmpeg from 2008 had any display capture APIs.

[surreal owl]

Hmmm

Hypervisor?

I mean, I want to record something ARG-like

About those times

[vernal current]

ill do things your wife wont do

[amber sparrow]

[livid plover]

...play fortnite, right

[vernal current]

anyone have experience with the astro A50? it wont make any sounds now

i tried reseetting and everything else

it has been dead for about 4 months now

[full fern]

I would do anythiiiing for love... but I won't do that 🎶

[cunning pine]

I haven't had meatloaf in a long while. I want some. I want the sauce, and I want that chewy glazed layer

[full fern]

Heck yes

[marsh helm]

i took picture

[full fern]

Eeeeeee it's baby goose season!! 🧡

I have seen baby grouse very close up a few times and they look a lot like this. Fuzzy little tenns balls with legs. Adorable.

Great pic

[uneven spear]

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[real slate]

off topic but what sounds like a better username Souloro or Prezoro

cant decide

[dawn fossil]

It’s your name, make it represent you

[civic quarry]

gonna ask in here since someone likely knows, but how do i make the play / pause / time bar show up in vlc when i move my mouse into the fullscreen window? also, how do i make it not open a 2nd window and instead, start playing a different video file in the same window when i open a different video file? its opening 2 windows for some reason now, yes single instance is enabled in options

[fresh drum]

fire ass ski/skate edit ^^^

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[cunning pine]

Odd that it opens a second instance. I use MPC myself and I have to intentionally open a second instance if I wanted that. Not sure sure how VLC is supposed to operate by default.

As for getting the controls and seek to pop up in full screen, have you tried moving the mouse cursor to the bottom edge to have it reveal?

[civic quarry]

yeah i have to click to get it to appear sometimes

[cunning pine]

https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/releases

Try using MPC instead

[civic quarry]

and another question, but how would i enable hls on nginx? i wanna stream to it in x265, especially useful for my vps

[cunning pine]

[civic quarry]

tried this but i can only seem to do rtmp

[cunning pine]

I'm not the person to ask such things

I don't know what nginx is because it's not something I've ever used and don't currently need to use so I don't know anything about it and probably never will

[civic quarry]

you use it daily without knowing it

the entire internet is run pretty much by apache and nginx

[cunning pine]

And forums are usually powered by PHP. Doesn't mean I know anything about it nor need to. All I'm saying is I don't know what it is, and have no input on the matter

[livid plover]

Nor do you need to be a mechanic to drive a car - not that it's much more than a bucket of nuts and bolts, seasoned with some electrical gremlins ontop

[cunning pine]

Lol. There's an actual car called the gremlin

[livid plover]

And it do be a bucket of nuts and bolts indeed

[cunning pine]

What if you were to do an engine swap though

Put the viper v10 in there

[sterile flower]

You know when you see someone and you're like, "yup, that's definitely a John".

Yup, that's definitely a Gremlin.

[sick cedar]

Yeah, it only does rtmp, what do you mean? 😅
Did you want to add HLS muxer to output m3u8 and ts files?

[wary holly]

@sick cedar (the goal here is to spend the next 5 hours setting up a private live stream that works in a web browser, only to come to the conclusion that it sucks and give up, just like i once did)

[sick cedar]

haha, gotcha 😄

yeah, then HLS muxer is path of least resistance, for sure

[karmic tiger]

have fun chiyo 💜

[civic quarry]

nah i just wanna use x265 to my vps to compensate for my horrible internet

[sick cedar]

So then your VPS will transcode to h264 and send to twitch/yt?

[civic quarry]

i dun give a shid how much bandwidth i use locally lol

[wary holly]

like i said, set up sunshine instead

[civic quarry]

no, this is so me and chiyo can stream crap to each other on occasion

[sick cedar]

lol, gotcha

so HLS is out, cus its slow?

[civic quarry]

i just wanna upload in x265 so i can make the most of my 500kbit upload

[sick cedar]

if so, I'd suggest ovenMedia! Its wonderful, and you can use non rtmp to send something that aint h264

[wary holly]

no, because neither of us know how to set up it up but i already know the results are going to suck

[civic quarry]

(unless i use 4G, that's ~20mbit but this only works on my PC under certain conditions)

[sick cedar]

and the webrtc player you get with it is wicked fast

its just a docker container

[uneven spear]

Docker skari!

[wary holly]

that was in response to hls, not to your suggestion

[civic quarry]

i never got docker to work right and i'm not going through the headache of setting it up, nor do i really trust it since its above root or some weird crap

[sick cedar]

then you can install it like a normal linux app (which is what I did). Just a bit more wait and setup (cus it needs to compile and shit)

[civic quarry]

not to mention i dunno how to use it, where files are stored or how to uninstall it so no thanks, pass

[sick cedar]

it sounds to me like you dont want a linux vps 😛

[civic quarry]

going to bed

[civic quarry]

i already have one, the reason i won't disclose

[uneven spear]

You want nooooo solutions! Got it.

[sick cedar]

sleep well

[civic quarry]

all you gotta know is its used every day by me and someone else for something important

[wary holly]

the mental gymnastics before giving up and using sunshine

[karmic tiger]

lmao

[sick cedar]

I thought sunshine was windows only

[wary holly]

i'm having a similarly hard time convincing him to try holocure

[sick cedar]

or am I thinking of the other one?

[civic quarry]

i think sunshine would only work with the win 7 pc? my main pc uses an amd card and the rest of my machines are on linux

[civic quarry]

i thought this needed geforce experience

maybe i'm confusing the names, idk

[wary holly]

@sick cedar sunshine the server software can now run on linux and macos, too, moonlight the client software can run on a lot of platforms, incl. wiiu

[civic quarry]

its 4 am, i'm tired and not really interested in this, i can use vnc or rdp

[dawn fossil]

There's a lot of "thought" and not enough "checked for myself"

[karmic tiger]

fighting the good fight

[sick cedar]

gotcha

[civic quarry]

and i'm probably actually gonna just use rdp with the win7 box and access it with krdc, once i switch my main to linux that pc will be my only remaining windows system for applications that don't play well with linux

[livid plover]

settlign for RDP
truly too tired

[sick cedar]

bodging > proper solution 😌 We are the same

[civic quarry]

idc, if it works it works

i could also just use VNC, i already use it for my VMs

[uneven spear]

Have fun gaming at 1 FPS! Speaking from experience.

[livid plover]

don't need more if you're playing Dwarf Fortress 😉

[civic quarry]

i'm probably not gonna game on it

all i'll really use it for is the zune software and a few other minor things

now if i have to game, i'll deal with it then; the only game i could see me putting on there is gta 5 if that doesn't work under proton but i'd need a version that works on win 7

which i should do anyways, i wanna benchmark more games than minecraft and skyrim on it (both of which ran surprisingly well given the hardware, 1090T + 1050, think of it as a 2500k with 2 extra cores)

maybe i'll try PCSX2 on there in the morning as well

[civic quarry]

ah, so moonlight is the client

thought it was the other way around lol

gn

[void gorge]

What is the best way to get 2 cables to run to a switch location from a drum reel?

pre-existing cat5e is damaged so I need to run new cables, so decided to have 2 going to a bedroom instead.

[livid plover]

tape/tie the ends and use the dead cable to pull the 2 new ones

[civic quarry]

why so whiny?

[terse helm]

hm https://europe.beyerdynamic.com/dt-770-pro-x-limited-edition.html

I just wish they would stop it with that new logo nonsense

[civic quarry]

tbh I'm not sure how we got to remote access stuff, the rtmp server is currently used for screenshares, cameras and streaming analog video devices

if I had better internet I wouldn't need hls

unfortunately I don't have a choice, the one ISP our here offers 5mbit down 500k up and satellite is prohibitively expensive

now gn, I'm getting annoyed repeating myself and thinking about how to explain things with a non functioning brain

[dawn fossil]

Bleh.

I just saw the vanity URL for the server invite that the bot just caught and deleted

Highly troubling that such a vanity URL exists. C'mon, Discord >_>

(no, I'm not going to repeat what it was)

[void gorge]

oh like make a loop. will give that a go on the weekend, there should be enough room behind the walls for it to work. 🙏

[jaunty fulcrum]

sure, but if you're sitting maxed out at 50% where that line is solidly horizontal, you need to close some programs at the very least

[uneven spear]

Totally unrelated.

[jaunty fulcrum]

you're essentially slowing down whatever process you're running by half so it'll take more than twice as long

[uneven spear]

What CPU?

[karmic tiger]

his, probably, doubt they borrowed someone else's

:3

[uneven spear]

No k after it?

[wary holly]

You'll have to wait longer for CPU-bound tasks to finish, this is a net loss in power efficiency since the rest of the PC is still using electricity.

[uneven spear]

Can't undervolt, owo. Can't do anything, really.

[wary holly]

Using sleep mode when you're not actively using it would save more.

[uneven spear]

It's not anywhere near this simple or linear. Also "run at 50% speed", there's like six different ways to do that, and you have access to none of the ones that will actually save you power. Even if they did, at /best/, you'd be saving maybe $2/month on electricity. Realistically, it'll actually cost more, not less, but still by about $2.

[wary holly]

You still have the rest of the PC powered on.

GPU idle power draw could be as high as 15W even with power-saving optimizations enabled, you're not disabling that without unplugging it.

[uneven spear]

Is it a dedicated GPU in a desktop?

Nothing matters compared to that. Simply having that connected and powered at all is gunna beat whatever you can save on CPU, owo. You'd have to physically remove your GPU to save meaningful power, and even if you did, we're talking about $0.50 a month.

[wary holly]

Ask gpu-z how much it's drawing, my guess would be 10W.

Oh, your display is probably still powered on, too.

[uneven spear]

On desktop: This is darn-meanngless, /especially/ with an Intel CPU with no letters in the name. The power plans are Windows' design, not Intel's. Windows can only ask that Intel cooperate. You have a bare-bones low-end CPU; it will not cooperate.

On mobile: Totally different and /boy/ it matters.

[wary holly]

On Windows 10 and 11, this plan is rather aggressive, you'll definitely notice its effects.

[uneven spear]

What are your expectations? How much are you hoping to save?

[terse helm]

put it to sleep instead

if you want to save energy

[wary holly]

> You have a bare-bones low-end CPU
Ha, in early 2017 it'd be at least above average, outside the "enthusiast" tier.

[uneven spear]

Entirely pause, yes.

[terse helm]

completely so yes

[uneven spear]

It's an i7 with no letters. That's Intel-speak for "actually this is a fancy i3".

[terse helm]

no it's an i7 that you can't overclock

[uneven spear]

What is "it", and why does halving the power draw matter anyway? What are you hoping to do, /ultimately/? Do you have a battery you're trying to extend? Do you want a lower electric bill? If so, how much?

[terse helm]

lalovoe isn't american

power isn't free here

[amber sparrow]

Power ain't free here

[terse helm]

but yeah if you want it to do work then you can't put it to sleep

[uneven spear]

Ain't free here either, but given their current gear, this conversation it's self might entirely have offset any savings they can gain in the first place.

[terse helm]

so your options are to invest in more power-efficient hardware

but you're gonna have to work out the savings before or you won't know how long it'll take for it to be cheaper

do you have your monitors running at > 120Hz?

my 1080ti would draw 60W if I did that

but more like 10 if I kept them at 120 or below

[tall vapor]

keeping vmem_clk up&all does indeed succ power

so really what you /should/ be trying to achieve here is that yer sys gets the job done as fast&efficiently as possible so that you can turn it back off again. Something /not/ achieved by slowing down the cpu a lot

if yer PC ends up consuming 30% less while taking 60% longer to complete the task.... that ain't exactly yer goal here, is it

[uneven spear]

Let's say you actually halve the CPU's draw from 60 watts to 30 watts and magically everything else is just as it was.

Okay, great. Let's math.

It's about 10 cents per KWH in my state.

Simplfied, that means 1 cent per 100 watts per hour.

At 60 watts, which is about 50 watts, that means /half a penny/ per hour in cost.

Now it's 1/4th of a penny.

So you go from a whole 12 cents a day, to 6 cents a day.

Or, over a year, from about $40 to about $20.

Do you actually plan to run something for a year on this, and if so, does the $20 actually matter that much to you? Keep in mind that you'll need a different CPU to actually realize it, so you're looking at least at 10-20 years before you'll break even.

[terse helm]

10 cents per kWh

you can triple that for europe

if not more

[uneven spear]

As I told you, over and over again..

[tall vapor]

.

[amber sparrow]

Cookie stop making cents

[uneven spear]

owo.

[tall vapor]

I really should, cents cost more to produce than their monetary value comes out to be

[wary holly]

Why would you use cmd when you can use the built-in power saving options?

[uneven spear]

Nobody can read that.

[terse helm]

that's the blurriest photo I've seen in my life

[uneven spear]

!screenshot

[wise bay]

How to take a screenshot - http://www.take-a-screenshot.org/

[terse helm]

!screenshot

[wary holly]

exclamation mark screenshot

[uneven spear]

!screenshot Cuz you took a photograph, you didn't take a screenshot. See below.

[wise bay]

How to take a screenshot - http://www.take-a-screenshot.org/

[uneven spear]

Looks fine to me, owo.

Yeah. They do that.

[terse helm]

moire

[civic quarry]

are you sure you can't undervolt?
have you tried with software https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/download/17881/intel-extreme-tuning-utility-intel-xtu.html or https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-throttlestop/ ?

[tawdry orbit]

Non-k variant chips are locked and can't be undervolted. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000094707/processors.html

[civic quarry]

I know newer ones are but not sure on older ones

yes and also less heat is nice (unless its winter then heat is not that a problem haha)

[tall vapor]

undervolting is all about having the same perf while dropping power consumption&heat output. Now with modern graphics cards and their boosting algorithms for example undervolting it while keeping the power target the same can increase perf if ya do it right

[civic quarry]

as an example i could overclock my 12700k by 300mhz while lowering voltage by 0.1V which increased efficiency by close to 20% if i remember correctly
How well you can undervolt / overclock depends on the silicon quality ( "silicon lottery" )

But instability can come from undervolting so you gotta test for stability

http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/#Download is pretty good to test any cpu/memory overclock/undervolt

yea its nuts the top models can consume so much power on such a small area you need watercooling to cool them to not lose performance
kinda disappointing hope intel does better with their next gen arrow lake

[livid plover]

Praise be, amazing software

[uneven spear]

Saving energy if you deeply understand what you're doing and have specific use-cases; running lower hotspot temperatures so you can increase clockrate in specific use-cases; other things, all of which come back to "you need to deeply understand how computers work".

[civic quarry]

Hate to see it

[amber sparrow]

Twiddle your thumbs for a bit. Go for a walk. Maybe become a pickleball pro during this outage

[civic quarry]

i will gladly smoke my way though this outage

[amber sparrow]

Also valid ha

[civic quarry]

i have just hotspotted my phone and am going to continue on the long long journey of trying to become fluent in C++

[copper notch]

I'm testing out LLaMa 3 to see if it can write OBS shaders 🙂

Wow, after testing that it knew HLSL, I gave it a challenge to write a simple OBS shader to provide hue, saturation and brightness controls. I have not validated the code, but the resulting shader looks like it only needs very slight modification to load into OBS.

[wise bay]

A list of commands can be found here: https://obsbot.rodney.io/

[amber sparrow]

Watermelon vodka + strawberry lemonade = tasty AF and super refreshing on a hot day

[calm forge]

anyone happen to know a good way to keep a game "in focus" (according to the operating system (Windows)) while tabbed out of said game?

[prisma dove]

Tabbing out of one window removes the focus from that window. That's it.

[calm forge]

any "hacky" ways?

[prisma dove]

What's your goal?

[livid plover]

windowed or trying to fool an exclusive fullscreen into letting you alt-tab?

[calm forge]

this game (Painkiller) seems to stop rendering visuals/video/graphics when tabbed out of

@arctic bane yes

[copper notch]

That's normal for exclusive fullscreen.

[calm forge]

well i can alt tab it's just that (see above)

sound continues fine but not visuals

[livid plover]

yeah, get it runnign windowed

[copper notch]

use borderless/windowed fullscreen

Although that comes with a performance degradation that may or may not be relevant for a given game.

[prisma dove]

Or get a second display

[calm forge]

unfortunately as far as i know Painkiller does not have a windowed mode

[copper notch]

There is Borderless Gaming wrapper too

[calm forge]

@copper notch Borderless Gaming is the actual name of the software you mean correct?

or are you talking about like a gnu thing?

[copper notch]

https://github.com/Codeusa/Borderless-Gaming/releases/tag/10.0-rc.1

It's also available on Steam for a few bucks, but it is open source so can be downloaded free from Github. There is a new release out but they do not yet have binaries available for that.

[calm forge]

@copper notch This can make Painkiller run in windowed mode?

[livid plover]

try it 🙂 that's what it's meant to try and do

[civic quarry]

apparentrly i slept for 12 hours

[vernal current]

my friends want me to seriously open a burger shop

[amber sparrow]

Don't threaten me with a good time

[vernal current]

sorry daddy

IF i even consider it, it would have to 100% be a home business at first

[left heart]

👀 is that a michelson interferometer pfp I spy?

[prisma dove]

Having owned and managed restaurants, my advice is... don't. Unless you are a masochist who wants to spend all of your living hours doing everything yourself to manage the business. Better to work for someone else and be good enough that as chef you have full reign without the ownership hassle.

[left heart]

if so, I approve

[vernal current]

it would be just me or 1 or 2 people

i mean with 1 or 2 people

i've been wanting to do it for years, but my issue is with logistics and time because i will be the chef which means i will be tethered to this and cant focus on other stuff

[amber sparrow]

Gotta be 100% committed

Otherwise don't

[vernal current]

yea thats why im hesistanting

im not against the idea...just that i cannot commit to it

my actual job is organinzing events....i cant do that while cooking xD

[prisma dove]

I've been in retail and commercial kitchen since the 1980's. It's hard work. I wouldn't change doing it for anything else.

[vernal current]

i actually had a couple of friends approach me to be investors

i dont think they realize the pressure that will be on me

for them its just investing money...for me its time

[copper notch]

It's so weird to see everyone's nicknames in white in here nowadays. All the red and other colors have vanished. Have you all been taking your vitamins? 😛

[prisma dove]

Damn that started out sounding racist, as I read that.... 😉

[copper notch]

OH! Hahaha, I never considered that at all LOL

[uneven spear]

[copper notch]

Thanks for pointing that out, I edited it. 🙂

[uneven spear]

[prisma dove]

I figured you didn't intend it that way. You'

[copper notch]

hey Kachin, did you see SD3 announcements?

[prisma dove]

re a good skeleton

damn I can't type today. I quit.

[uneven spear]

Yah, weeks ago, owo.

[copper notch]

Oh, I thought it was more recent... Just saw a video of it. Would really like to use it locally but laptop no go vroom vroom 😛

[uneven spear]

I wanna poke too but gotta wait until the desire really hits first. -w-. Until lora/similar becomes easy with it, to me, it's basically just a toy.

[copper notch]

Not familiar with lora.

I wish LM Studio had SD integration available, but sadly it doesn't even though the models show up for download.

[calm forge]

ok if i post an off-topic link?

about physics

about trying michelson-morley physics experiments in space to be more exact

[left heart]

:D aw yiss

the most famous null result in physics history

[calm forge]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333865449_A_Michelson-Morley_Type_Experiment_Should_be_Performed_in_Low_Earth_Orbit_and_Interplanetary_Space

[silver fable]

Which vitamins we thinking?

[copper notch]

Ah, you're all set. 🙂

It's the benfotiamine, gotta be. 🙂

[amber sparrow]

Who else is watching Fallout? Thoughts?

I'm on ep6 I think?

[copper notch]

It's on my list of things to check out soon, but haven't seen it yet. Are you enjoying it so far?

[amber sparrow]

As not a major fallout fanboi, ove really enjoyed the show

So my kid just discovered this may actually be the f35 not the f22

Because of the detail.of the engine

Yea, f35

[opaque halo]

That IS a F-35

[amber sparrow]

Yep

[copper notch]

I've played FO1 and FO3 for like 10m, and FO4 for a few hours. Want to finish FO3+ some day.

[amber sparrow]

I have less than I think 15 hours(at most) in FO franchise as a whole

But the show makes it irrelevant imo

It's sooooo good

[opaque halo]

The F-22 has larger tails and deeper intakes

[amber sparrow]

Walton Goggins is worth the cost of admission alone

[tall vapor]

yup, that up there is an F35A to be exact

[copper notch]

I found the Fallout easter egg in Cyberpunk 2077, and the one in Starcraft too, does that count? 🙂

[amber sparrow]

I was so desperate to see an f22 in person 😦

But hey, f35 is a BEAST

[opaque halo]

Come up this way - Langley has both 🙂

[amber sparrow]

MacDill has the raptors

They just didn't have them out 😦

[opaque halo]

Noisy bastards.. but not as loud the F-4 were

[amber sparrow]

They have routinely been seen flying over Tampa

Dude the f18 thunderbirds were LOUD AS SHIT

[opaque halo]

It's why I enjoyed being stationed at Patuxent River NAS. Was the spot for testing / test pilot training MANY years ago.

[amber sparrow]

Their diamond takeoff was quite impressive if I'm being honest

[amber sparrow]

We lived in pensacola for a few years so I got to see the angels a lot

The blue angels are an amazing flight crew

[opaque halo]

Air shows in the 80s were great... of course until some "oopsies" happened

[amber sparrow]

Especially fat albert

[opaque halo]

Yeah... those JATOs kick in and it's up and GONE

Seen JATOs used on aircraft carriers.. they pretty much clear the deck for those launches

[amber sparrow]

My oldest wants to be an airforce pilot. Told him he better do good in school. Pilots need to be officers and officers require degree

[tall vapor]

the f104 was even louder. As planes crashing right next to ya tend to be

[opaque halo]

or excellent grades, citizenship and get into the academy. Funny thing is the Navy has more planes than the Air Force 🙂

[opaque halo]

YES.. those beasts would make a LOT of noise. Grew up and Air Force BRAT and got to see a LOT of US and International planes

[amber sparrow]

That is a fun fact

I wanna fly on the galaxy. That would be incredible

[opaque halo]

TBH - nothing beats a sonic boom midship when standing on the deck of an aircraft carrier

[amber sparrow]

Air craft carriers are so cool. A dang floating city

[tall vapor]

my joke being abt the fact that 292 of the 916 F104's that Germany had having been lost

Which is... Yeah

[amber sparrow]

Still my favorite plane of all time

[opaque halo]

ah.. derp on my part. I've been witness to many crashes and I don't remember the sound but the fact that I was right behind the firefighting crews

[amber sparrow]

And one.of the greatest movies ever. Broken Arrow

[opaque halo]

nah.. Iron Eagle

[dawn fossil]

I'm thinking about starting it. Since I've never played Fallout, I won't get disappointed that It DiDn'T fOlLoW teH GaMe LoRe like some people I've seen

[tall vapor]

the b2 spirit sure do be fancy. Unmistakable for anything else

[amber sparrow]

Nah. You can't compete with slater + travolta

[amber sparrow]

This is a great point I think. I've enjoyed it for what it is. Good story telling + awesome science fiction

[opaque halo]

but.. but.. but ... Louis Gosset Jr.

[amber sparrow]

That's a fair point. But I'm a Christian Slater mark

[dawn fossil]

That and it has the guy who played Harold Finch from Person of Interest in it. I love that actor. His voice is ASMR. I was sold when I saw him in a trailer, tbh

[amber sparrow]

He was also epic in "lost"

[opaque halo]

TBH - it was the soundtrack that grabbed me.. more than Top Gun ever did

[dawn fossil]

Lost somehow passed me by, but I've seen clips of him in it

[tall vapor]

I giggle a bit every time someone asks how that thing even manages to fly. It's computers, that's how. Fly-by-wire baby!

[amber sparrow]

He was very good. I dont wanna ruin fallout but his presence in it is very profound

[opaque halo]

"sky hooks"

[dawn fossil]

When hubby gets back from Japan, I'll grab a Prime Video subscription for a month and watch it after work with him

He's played all the Fallouts, so he can get triggered

[silver fable]

I was more of an SR-71 guy, myself.

[amber sparrow]

Walton Goggins, probably best known for the shield, is amazing

I miss the shield. Need to go back and watch that again

[silver fable]

Just the glisten on the wings as the fuel literally leaked out all over the place.

[opaque halo]

Hell yeah.. that bird was a beast. Got to sit in one as a kid.

[amber sparrow]

That's a GREAT plane

[dawn fossil]

Hm, where do I know that face

[amber sparrow]

Walton Goggins has been in a ton of stuff

But his role as ghoul is fantastic

Seems he hasn't aged at all

[silver fable]

Talk about "nose to the grindstone", amirite?

[amber sparrow]

I think he was also in that show with Timothy Olyphant. The Texas ranger one

[silver fable]

Justified

[dawn fossil]

He seems like one of those "he's in everything but most people wouldn't be able to name him; but they could rattle off a list of things he's been in" kinda actors

[amber sparrow]

He plays a great "good bad guy" or "bad good guy"

[tall vapor]

Ah gee I think I saw a video abt the development of fbw a while back. Started out by bolting the AGC into an F8 Crusader

digital FBW, that is

[opaque halo]

Skunk Works is still trying to achieve what they did back then with today's "standards"

[marsh helm]

that thing shouldnt be able to fly

this was even weirder tho

[silver fable]

Yeah, but the A-12 was never a real thing.

[amber sparrow]

Most fly-by-wire planes shouldn't. But they do

F22 is a fly by wire as well I think

As is the f117

[civic quarry]

ah. time for some coffee

[amber sparrow]

Midnight snack. Fries + spam + bacon bits + cheese

[smoky rapids]

You making me hungy

[amber sparrow]

Had spam grilled cheese sammiches for dinner

Spam be a bit spendy these days

$4/can

[full fern]

I was very surprised to find that. I can get chicken for <$4 lb

[amber sparrow]

Right?!?! Spam should not be this expensive

[limber wraith]

hi

[full fern]

It's supposed to be cheap af! Can I blame hipsters for this, or should I blame grocery company gouging?

[open rune]

Is it a pound of spam though

[full fern]

Only 12 oz

[left heart]

a lot of those fighters are specifically designed to be aerodynamically unstable for better maneuverability with fly-by-wire

crazy stuff

[silver fable]

I must be FBW, then, as I'm totally unstable.

[smoky rapids]

If you're crazy enough to help in #windows-support then you never were.

[silver fable]

Fair enough...

[livid plover]

Fly By Obs Logs

[smoky rapids]

<@&715347355565817879> take your channel pick

Oh looks like it was just here still

[civic quarry]

Hello

so, the last time i said something here was me planning to buy an SSD. So I made the switch to Linux a few days ago and I am loving every moment of it

Now to explain why:

• A couple of Intel driver updates spiked up my SSD usage to 100% in a seemingly permanent way, I upgraded to Windows 11 due to some "GPU Issues", those driver updates caused the tipping point and now I am using Linux on my Main Rig.

[livid plover]

and you have less GPU issues on linux somehow?

[civic quarry]

yes

The GPU issues were if I played a game for more then 30 minutes, the video output will seemingly stop out of nowhere causing me to hard power off my PC to get it back up and running

Now I tried the experimental wayland session on Mint, the same issues KDE Plasma 6.0 in OBS were identical

The issue where some UI elements in OBS appeared non-existant or completely transparent

[tall vapor]

yeah. Those wayland issues are an nvidia thing. iirc nvidia finally fixed their drivers well enough to actually be able to do something about that by now, keep yer eyes open for plasma 6.1

[civic quarry]

awesome

Linux Mint 22 is set to remove PulseAudio and have PipeWire be the main sound server

[tall vapor]

good riddance

I made that switch a LONG time ago already

[civic quarry]

i also did something dirty as well

Using Heroic Launcher, I got fall guys running

Fuck you Epic 🤣

[tall vapor]

well if it works there ain't nothin dirty bout it 🤷‍♀️

I use heroic too for the free games that epic continues to hand me

[civic quarry]

yea

I also found that using H265 ABR rendering results in smaller file sizes

[thick geyser]

guys, is it normal for a dedicated gpu to use all of its memory without switching to shared ram?

i only have a 2gb VRAM and i can't get it to use the shared, anytime an application tries going above 2gb, it just crashes even tho i have lots of shared ram

[dawn fossil]

A dedicated GPU with shared memory?

I thought that was more typical of integrated GPUs

[tall vapor]

oh nono, shared memory is a thing too. Generally used when ya exceed the dedicated vmem

[dawn fossil]

Ahh, TIL

[daring cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPZ7dOo6xHM

[uneven spear]

!ad

[wise bay]

Self-advertisement or advertisement for others is not allowed on this server unless it's directly relevant to a discussion or question. Please read the rules in the #rules channel.

[daring cave]

how many people don't realize their monitor isn't running

[tall vapor]

indeed, cause when dGPUs access the sysmem ya gotta walk through PCIe and everythin. Now what I would /love/ to see would be configurability in that aspect. Like being able to tell yer sys that it's fine to move applications like yer internet browser over to the shared mem vmem as to keep more dedicated vmem available for games. What I do now with me 8 gig card is to disable hwaccel&such wherever possible

I ain't got access to the "just have lots of money" cheat

[civic quarry]

Ok, now I am commiting a sin higher then the state law. This is Fortnite running on Linux

[tall vapor]

no you aren't. Press play and it'll instantly kick ya 🤷‍♀️

[civic quarry]

So i noticed hahaha

Well, worth a try

Atleast Fall Guys was successful

[amber sparrow]

Holy shit I love this guy and his mac n cheese looks BOMB
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTL5GqE6s/

[civic quarry]

I went ahead and removed both Fall Guys and Fortnite from my system.

I did it purely for research purposes

[cunning pine]

I love this comment

[daring cave]

true

Idk why people are like that

they buy and don't check

[cunning pine]

@civic quarry depending on the kind of anti cheat they are using you may be able to play in a VM with para virtualization/passthrough

[cunning pine]

Some people don't know that it's adjustable and just think it's that refresh rate period which is probably where the issue lies

Not that crazy to think if you buy something that says it's 144hz that it would just be 144hz

[daring cave]

Yeah but just don't buy the expensive shit if you don't know what it does

like what's the point?

I think it's very noticeable difference

the only difference you notice now might be the response time of the panel

[cunning pine]

Only cuz you're used to it. People upgrading from 60hz without knowing what a higher refresh looks and feels like won't realize that they aren't getting it by just looking at it

[daring cave]

yeah true

[cunning pine]

I agree with some of the comments though that it should just be automagic which it is for me when I install NVidia drivers. NVCP just kind of defaults to the higher refresh

[civic quarry]

Afaik, fortnite uses both BattlEye and Easy Anti Cheat, Fall Guys uses Easy Anti Cheat

[daring cave]

yup

[cunning pine]

But that's not the case for some others, especially in laptops

[daring cave]

but that is when drivers install

I don't know if it just does if you connect a new monitor

that might be the difference

some people don't change their drivers or settings

[cunning pine]

There's probably an issue there as well

[civic quarry]

But the interesting error Fortnite kicked me out with is something with my Firewall shit.

[cunning pine]

Detection of a new monitor device being connected, and having higher refresh rate options should automatically prompt a pop-up window of some kind that lets you know that this device has higher refresh rate options and currently isn't running at that higher refresh rate so people can just be like "oh yeah thanks I would like to change that"

Would be the simplest fix

[civic quarry]

I recently switched from HDMI to DP

Using a DP to HDMI cable. Yet XOrg picks it up as DP-1

[daring cave]

Yeah it's a thing with converters

or adapter cables

[civic quarry]

Yea

[daring cave]

some are active and some are passive

and I recently learned that there is also a difference in the DP to HDMI conversion on the GPU itself

Also the reason why HDMI 2.1 spec doesn't get passed on the Open Source AMD drivers for Linux

And why Intel and NVIDIA don't have that issue

Because there is a DP to HDMI conversion already taking place on the card for Intel and NVIDIA but AMD passes HDMI natively.

Something along those lines.

[cunning pine]

You mean to tell me that my HDMI port on my card isn't true HDMI but a conversion of DP?

Intel I think was one of the first to support DP as well

Can find it as an output option on near ancient SFF desktops

[daring cave]

Yes

So AMD's proprietary driver still have a place on Linux it seems

only for the HDMI 2.1 licensing

[cunning pine]

Would explain why NVidia never supports G-Sync or FreeSync via HDMI and why they took so long to get newer HDMI 2.1 on their cards

[daring cave]

And the encoders but I believe there are also uses with the opensource drivers on the encoder not 100% sure

I don't own and AMD card to check

[daring cave]

Freesync over HDMI been added only for GTX 16 and RTX 20 series and up

And true HDMI 2.1 ports were only added on RTX 30 series I believe

[cunning pine]

Idk I think it's 40 series

I have 30 series and I don't think it has a 2.1 port.

That was part of the stink iirc, that they still kept 2.0

[daring cave]

30 series can do 144Hz 4K

over HDMI

And also GTX 10 series can do Freesync over DisplayPort