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And everything still looks good enough to spend time with people
I enjoyed playing VR on a CV1 lol
but higher res does help a lot with certain things.
anywho, getting side tracked.
point is, discord share is best share cuz it doesn't require running a whole ass game
Discord is heavier than some games. Most older and smaller ones, especially.
thanks chromium
atleast they listened to the people and gave us back the flag to disable hardware media key theft
sips drink while using Firefox completely unaware of the bullshit that others have to deal with because they chose the wrong browser

firefox was good when it was version 2
Firefox is okay now
is it still split, add-on wise?
not sure, honestly
the fact that you can install addons with mobile on Android makes it no contest
Firefox memory management seems significantly worse
in my experience it's the exact opposite
unless you're talking about the "I only got 2 gigs of ram but want to have 5000 tabs 'open' " mode that chrome got, I suppose
ff has some really bad memory leakage ime
*stares at her x220 with 8gigs of mem where things work just fine*
Happens more and more these days ive noticed
“Dont trust the grid”
I need to make a T-shirt with that
Without listening to it, is that the Daft Punk song from Tron Legacy?
Looks fine
Bruh. Mobile just hates me then
And me
Oh that's obnoxious
why save the png with a save dialog when I can just take a screenshot of it
or even better
point my phone camera at the screen
I just put paper up to the screen and trace it.
Is there a program for Windows to make it not store image data as a bitmap because the size of the data balloons
Right click 5MB jpeg image In browser > copy image > paste: 25MB file
why not just save the image normally, or drag and drop it to the desktop?
I just tested that with FireFox (drag and drop, and copy/page into File Manager), and Windows 11 didnt change the format to BMP
its still the same size JPEG it was before
tested with Edge, and it doesnt even transfer the copied image to the clipboard to past to the desktop
same with chrome... weird
ah well, i use firefox anyway as my daily browser
Yeah if you save the file first it's not an issue but that's loads of extra steps
Guys do not use Ookla to find your bitrate for streaming
It says I have 9-10mbps, but when I downloaded a game, I had a steady 20mbps
yeah, Ookla / SpeedTest.net has always been known to be innacurate in many cases
!speedtest
Speed tests mean very little with regards to streaming and your choice of bitrate. They measure your raw upload speed to a server that's near you (likely run by your local ISP), instead of your stable upload speed to a streaming server. Your stable speed will determine the bitrate you can comfortably stream at.
The stable speed can be estimated as roughly 70-75% of the speed test result in a lot of cases, however this is by no means a perfect estimate. In reality, it may end up being much worse if there's problems between your ISP and the streaming service.
they also tend to default to servers within your ISPs network, making it easier for the ISP to deny any connection issues
Ookla had me streaming at around 8500 kbps when in reality, I've been able to stream at 10-15kbps this whole time
assuming you are streaming to YouTube
i am
but yeah, this is already pretty known here, and support folks take that into consideration
it's the opposite for me. Ookla is the only one that seems to be the closest in accuracy to what I get in download speeds compared to other speed tests
probably because ookla has been using multiple streams from multiple servers for a while now
by default
Truth, brother! 

way cool project https://www.furygpu.com/
watch out, nvidia
I thought that said "furry gpu" and I was much more excited when I thought that's what it said. 
xilinx zynq ultrascale+
hardware features equivalent to a high-end graphics card of the mid 1990s
here, the evaluation kit

these things are expensive
it started off on an arty z7, but even that devboard you linked is cheap for fpgas
well yeah, I know
Was just responding to the "watch out, nvidia"
cause well no
nah
anyway, still a really really cool personal project
meanwhile the thing I learned to do with verilog first was an analog computer simulator, which is peanuts in comparison to this
@amber sparrow you see the constellation finale?
Not yet. Probably tonight. Got hooked on "the americans" somehow
Jambalaya
🎵 crawfish pie and fillet gumbo 🎶
Nice
🎶 'Cause tonight, I'm gonna see my ma cher a me-ow 🎵
Softshell crab po boy is where it's at
Twitch bans turning butts and boobs into green screens / In a new community guidelines update, the practice of playing video games using green-screened intimate body parts will be banned.
Why they got to hate fun
how is a camera pointed at a butt green screen not lewd?
and how is the google maps thing bad?
I don't feel like it is a bad thing. Also, if you're only playing games on your T&A, how does one justify that as not just tuning in to see T&A shape?
nOt LeWd At AlL
If it is shaped like an ass, and it's in the place of an ass, how are you not just staring at an ass? Definitely not there for the gameplay.
That's just an ass with a Fartknife skin.
and they do jumping jacks every 5 subs apparently
and if they were allowed to, the shorts would only get shorter and shorter
They were at one point, and leaned so hard into that meta that it caused backlash
Plenty of footage out there with no shorts at all 😉
MorgPie in that image above, right @sudden adder?
that's a different streaming site, sir
I dont name names, butt i did get it from the linked article 🙂
Thats why they are green screened
I'm predicting they'd try green body paint next.
I think thats also been done
A team mate of mine did a MeUndies dating game promo where he was in a green body suit and wore the underwear over it. He then did the 20 questions thing about why he should wear the underwear.
It was cute, creative, not focused on anything lewd, and was a fun ad/promo
boy
this is nowhere near the current meta for twitch camgirls
the butt/boobs greenscreen is tame in comparison
yeah, compared to that one category
the real current meta which seems to have prompted twitch to act was pioneered by someone called novaruu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGSfx4DgdZM this moistcr1tikal video covers it pretty well
ive seen worse today... unfortunately
and it had 4k ppl watchin
And possibly a good majority are teens or younger
at least its censored
That's not censored, that's just a camera pointed at an ass.
its greenscreened away
It's an ass... it's very clearly an ass. The only point of that is to show the ass. Gameplay is just an excuse to show the ass.
One is not better than the other.
report them then
Sir you are wrong. An actual ass is definitely better than a green screened ass
🤣 You know what I mean.
Turns out it seems this is more to do with the Google app store more than anything
Apparently they have changed their policy and to keep the twitch app on there, they have to make some changes
Kick is doing the same thing
And kick wouldn't do it unless they absolutely had to
Oh, both Google and Apple stores
waiting for Google to disallow rampant bigotry
ohhh, to answer ppl with RDNA3s in WS... recent drivers have a bug that makes AVC quite broken
some crazy keyframe pumping
uh oh
so amd fucked up their h264 encoder again?
I'd be more surprised if it was the first time
but they have more generally shown a distain for the h264 standard encoder
seems so, but only on the 7000s
Are you hooked up to a monitor or a TV?
If it was a TV I would've assumed it's automatically outputting a 4:2:0 signal over HDMI but if hooked up to a monitor you are most likely doing full 8bit 4:4:4
So it's probably not chroma subsampling
You can always tell by just looking at the advanced graphic settings in Windows or if you have NVidia you can see what it's set to in the NVidia control panel
It's possible you just have bad clear type settings though
The default should be full 444 and 8bit for most any display
Anything less is usually because the display isn't up to snuff like a TV
Forgive the phone photo of the iPad screen. One of it's buttons cannot be pressed quickly enough for a screenshot.
I wanted to see which X-Men movies they had.
Gawd I love this out of place suggestion
Kinda tempted to watch Three Men and a Baby now
X-Men and a Baby.
I'd watch it, no lie
Especially if the baby turns out to have powers ala Jack in The Incredibles. Poor Wolverine and Deadpool on babysitting duty
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They've been here since December and this is seemingly the only thing they've ever posted.
Lame-O
^ I see this user has the "muted" role but what is that supposed to do, considering I can still see their messages
They can't post while muted.
So i just finished 6.5 hours in a new game,
and i had paused at one point
i just finished
ah so I guess they got the role just now after that last message
and it turned out i had forgotten to unpause between one game and another
so 6.5 hours of gameplay, with nothing to show for it
reasons to not pause and instead edit out excess after: this is on it
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Please delete that message
Second time they've done this in the last couple weeks.
and they've not said anything in over 2 years
I don't think they're going to delete it
<@&715347355565817879>
Bruh
Living in a rural neighborhood, the HOA meeting notes are always a little amusing.
lol
anyone here stream on youtube?
in the OBS discord? seems unlikely.
😏
well im wanting to ask someone how on earth you find streams on youtube.
search bar
And once you find channels you like, subscribe to that channel and turn on notifications when they go live.
Gotta put a little effort into it. No one "finds" anything without actually "searching" for those things.
ok yeah so the search bar is broken and only shows like 4 results in total and there isnt excatly a way to search via game anymore since the death of youtube gaming. . . Unless youtube moved it
did you even try the link Squid posted?
it really is, thats why i see people moving to youtube as kind of nutts, glad you can do both now but i cant see why i would lol
yep dead end
how so
unless the site is blocked in your region, site works fine
nice, Heroes III still getting a lotta love
i found what i was looking for but its weird, Youtube has burred it somewhere. Its like as if you need to find a streamer to find everything else
even then it doesnt show whos live like heroes does :/
tbh most people who care about streaming video games aren't gonna be on youtube alone
for live streaming twitch is just better in every single way
what platforms do we have now, its twitch, youtube and kick right
there are more but the rest is even worse than youtube
There are others, but Twitch and YT are the biggest players for the most content. But it does depend on the content. I watch live streams on YT that pull down 4k+ in concurrent views, 4-6 hour streams, 5 days a week. Really matters where you cultivate your audience, as well as the content.
so i will condense this, but about 2 years ago I had to get a new TV. But my AV receiver was old and didn't have support for VRR and similar things, so I had to plug my PS5 directly into my TV and use ARC for stuff like netflix and other apps on my TV.
I tried to look for a new AV reciever and specifically onkyo, but at the time they were doing restructuring and was too expensive to ship it.
so because of this wierd set up, I lost on certain sound functions and my audio wasn't as good as it used to be and more importantly there was an echo coming from the audio..so after a while I just had to use TV speakers until I got a new AV
yesterday a thought popped in my head and i decided to change the output from 7.1 to 5.1 and all of a sudden all the issues went away, the sound is louder and clearer and no more echo
turns out I forgot to change the speaker settings from my old 7.1 set up into my newer 5.1 set up 🥲 😅
c:
sometimes problems really are simple and stupid
audio is haaaard
^ yup.gif
i guess the echo was coming from the AV trying to push to 2 extra speakers that werent there
ive been using 7.1 for about 15 years, so my default in settings is to always go to set up 7 channels
and i forgot the new room i did was only for 5
i was coming from where???

A10 + p51
cool
matty ur drunk, that's it's shadow
I love how no matter from where you look at an A10 it still looks like a box that someone bolted a couple planks onto to act as wings
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Gosh I hate being sick...
hot take
Oh, no that was just me. Sorry
I found the problem with the last recording
EA games when played through steam automatically pause the recording
Which means I can’t record those
!s That doesn't sound accurate at all.
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I read that as seagull at first and i feel like that'd be just as bad
yeah, fuck seagulls
Hey guys anyone annoyed that in messenger you are unable to located pinned messages because of end-end encryption turned on ?
how to access old pinned messages?
reload it a few times or use the app/web depending on which you use currently worked for me when i needed to find pre-encryption media
the pinned messages button are gone both web/mobile app version
then you'll have to pester facebook support over it and start searching for the message you need 🙂
how do i contact facebook support ? they sure make it hard to find how to contact them
Deep dive into their help menus. Usually it's through 15-20 layers "try this" stuff.
Besides, you don't contact Facebook Support.
Facebook Support contacts you.
random reddit thread online made it seem like it's another of those "coming and going as it sees fit" features too, that's lovely
Too bad they didn't have these bad boys flying yesterday
But holy hell the f18s they had going were LOUD
Also had a b2 but sadly it only did one pass
being at the whims of the weather sucks. I'm trying to "plan" a trip for the eclipse with my parents since they haven't seen one
which is more like planning 3 separate trips simultaneously, then my mom asking "so where are we going" and my only answer being "iunno"
oh I'm aware lol
it's crazy what some jackasses will do for a quick buck
but yeah, fortunately I'm decently experienced at the whole solar observing thing at this point
I think my sister was initially planning to go to texas, but it's tentatively not looking great for cloud cover there
I've got a few optical pinholes, just need a nice big shade to make a good projection viewer
I should've made a really long focal length lens, but w/e it's fine
I'd mostly be worried about random people trying to look into it when I'm 50 feet away
I also tried setting up KStars to bracket exposures, but it insists on copying images over from my camera between each shot
which is just not going to work. so I guess I'm gonna stick with in-camera stuff
obligatory warning: if you don't know what you're doing you WILL melt your camera sensor
camera gore from last time around: https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2017/09/rental-camera-gear-destroyed-by-the-solar-eclipse-of-2017/
hi
Hello!
@mossy whale I'm moving us over here to chat so the support channel doesn't get filled up.
Streamed almost exclusively on Twitch. Been making YT vids much more recently, as they can have gather more eyeballs than just a livestream would. I've been rather slow to learn video editing though. haha
How about you?
with that cover on the canopy it looks like they put a plastic model out
nice, you put your VODs to youtube? i guess youtube generates passive viewer collection while twitch, if you're not streaming well no one will see you
Youtube gets you views while you sleep 🤷♂️
I've been dabbling into youtube for like 10 years now but never took it seriously, i probably have over 10-15 channels in total lmao
a friend of mine streams regularily and he wanted me to get into it as well so i ended up taking it a bit seriously now
I just have no idea what I'm doing with the streaming setup lmao, good thing is I'm a mixing engineer in music production so at least my stream audio sounds good 😂😂
gotta keep the spies from getting cockpit intel
Just some of my content is VODs, the reading book by the fireplace streams. In general , I don't think people watch entire VODs on YouTube. Most of my videos there are stuff I recorded and added VO and edited down to brief funny sketches. Just a few minutes of gameplay. And I like to make pretend sponsors LOL
I noticed your bio, always nice to have more people here who understand good audio! I podcasted and did radio for a long time, so I work hard on making things sound good.
wdym "make pretend sponsors" ? 😂
You know how many YouTubers have a sponsor in their videos?
I make little ads in my videos for things that aren't real. One was in a GTA video, so the pretend sponsor section was from a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. And in a Red Dead Redemption video, the pretend sponsor was <drug item> chewing gum LOL
Just silly things that make me laugh. I spent many years in radio reading real sponsors text, so I try to make it sound authentic
that's hilarious LMAOO
same, as well as badly written PSAs
and fake drug commercials, such as "Path of Exile Dysfunction" and "BanAway - a drug for dealing with backseat gamers and other negative viewers"
lol remember how twitch was like "don't greenscreen your boobs please"
I'll give you one guess as to what is happening now
they are bluescreening their boobs?
No matter what they do, people will always try to oneup on the new meta to skirt the rules. Well, you didn't specifically ban me doing <insert lewd act here> so I did it
I have a lot of fun with it haha
oh she was already doing that a few days ago
oh really?
yeah, the article about the changes had a photo of it
greenscreen everything but the boobs?
of this specifically
defund the fun police
its still against the policy change, because the change was specifically about a focus on body parts
ah I hadn't seen that, I think it's super funny
ah but that's why she has a post-it on screen pointing at the focus
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lol, apparently Morgpie was banned around 3:00 PM Eastern today, then unbanned after 2 hours

was listed on StreamBans twitter
I've never hard of a ban being reversed that fast
well there seems to be a lot of them, because a bunch of the ones being posted there were banned 2 hours ago, and then unbanned
maybe not a lot a lot, but it does seem like someone came in a couple of hours later to review the bans and unban them
because their "banning" creates publicity and headlines, while banning people who are just edgelords don't do much
yeah seems like
wow TikTok is just garbage for new users apparently. Im "trying" to teach the algo my likes, but all that keeps coming up are those unscrollable reels that you cannot scroll past. So i got into the website itself, block that user, reload the app on my phone, and within 2 or 3 reels get another one that starts the whole process over again
all because they allow tags that can be the full size of the reel
There's a feature in the app to teach the algo using sentences
It does absolutely nothing
You don't want anymore Japanese tourism videos, you say? HERE'S SOME MORE
well i found the block feature in the mobile app, its accessed by clicking on the "Share" arrow button
because that makes all the sence in the world
Worst thing about TikTok is the comments on every video
The second home of illiteracy
(First home is any news website's comment section)
I see a lot of misspellings on videos that are posted as well, and wonder if it was accidental or intentional.
comments sections are always going to be a disaster
Yeah but TikTok in particular
You'll see a clip from a movie
And every top-level comment is "what movie is this?"
thats why a lot of blogs got rid of them in the early 2010s, they didnt want the hate, the idiocy, and the spam vector
Every child comment is some dumb nonsense, never the answer
Now you mention it, I wonder if all the comments are just bots driving up engagement
Probably are
And the title of the clip is literally "This is from the movie Antz!"
Yup
a trait it shares with youtube
and ngl most of the internet at this point
now that would be an amazing art experiment. Make a social network that no one can sign up to, but is publicly viewable, and all of the users are ChatGPT/OpenAI powered
isn't that basically subredditsimulator
A video version would be great. Let's see how well Sora makes clickbait
fakebook
xz git comment simulator, sadly
Bonus points if Sora just splices whatever it creates with footage of Subway Surfers or Minecraft parkour
I think the highlight for me was: this wouldn't have happened if it were written in rust
lmao
Hi
any body know a good way to download my own youtube videos in full quality?
No way to get the pre-reencoded videos.
So, even the max quality you can download, won't be as good as what you initially sent them.
Actually, it's trivial to. I forget where, but if you request a "takeout" of your youtube data, they'll send your originals then.
anyone here has been playing Dragon's Dogma II? finding quite a bothersome issue... is like a smoll rubberbanding every few secs 👀
even with decent fps
!usb
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Sounds like a recommendation:)
I just watched episode 1 tonight.
100%. If you like Sci fi brain warp stuff, you will enjoy it
For me it took getting to the 3rd for it really starting to get good
But then it gets REAL good
Yeah, episode 1 was a bit of a slog.
Bit of a disarming moment towards the start, though.
i dont see any easter bunnies
Are there Easter Otters?
last episode was awesome huh?
Good Afternoon everyone Hope you are having a blessed weekend and also good Easter Sunday.
Fell asleep 😦
Too much sun on Friday so I was exhausted all day yesterday
"too much sun" is not a familiar problem to me
How to find time to do the things I want to do, when most of the time I spend is used up by winding down from work, winding down from helping your dad with unloading stuff from his work trailer, or helping move things around in storage, or work, or social gatherings, or sleep?...
all-day-outside-exhaustion hits different
True that
been there after a full day at the race track, especially if you suck at getting enough fluids
just sleep less
Yesh
told friend i had along to drive home and just ignored her bad driving 
I remember one time when I was living with this church couple at one point, I was helping the husband guy do some roofing type stuff with his barbershop building, and it was like this metal galvanized tin stuff, and it was so hot that day, that I ended up being in a daze at one point, cuz we were waiting for him to get back, while me and this other guy were up there on the roof...
It felt like it was way longer than it really was, but it probably was a good while that we were up there
Looks don't matter
Ninja looked like a whole ass nerd, and ended up on family feud, when he was starting out
Looks genuinely don't matter
You could even be a faceless twitch streamer
You could stream on YouTube as well
and then there are VTubers, who dont even show their face on camera
unless you want to be a hottub streamer, then looks do matter a bit, but there's always someone out there who find you pretty
Are your looks good enough to attract eyes to your content? Will your looks keep the eyes coming back when you are live? What content do you have for those eyes to watch when you aren't live?
if you dont feel like you have a look for streaming, create one with an avatar
Exactly, hence why I said looks don't matter
There's a lot of streamers who are youtubers, and faceless creators, who ended up making it big
because they get rich by sitting at home and talking to people online? and pants are usually heavily optional? some people dream to live that life
And as controversial as this topic is, dream even was a pretty dang big faceless creator, for a good while, before he decided to face reveal
cringe to me are the super edge-lord creators that just dont seem like they would be fun to meet IRL
can be hard to engage with a photo for very long
It's good that you think you look good, but unless you're doing modeling commercials and stuff like that, usually your looks don't really matter
Especially with Twitch streaming
For me it's the ones that have an ego because they look good, but try to boast about how good they look on their streams, or make themselves look like they're better than other people
That and boasting their wealth, and stuff, tbh
With that profile name, you could bring something of 'saudade' to your content.
apparently it is Portuguese for "Longing" via Google Translate
It's a Portuguese word/concept
Longing for the unobtainable, yearning for something that is lost
like the Danish "Hygge", also something hard to translate as a concept
So incredibly powerful emotion is tied to the word
Interesting
But yeah, looks genuinely don't matter, when it comes to streaming
👌
This kind of just makes everything worse though, lmao
that just made me look up a twitch user name that I was shocked to find it wasnt already registered... until now 😄
groklesnar
it didnt exist, so i nabbed it
Lmao
gonna file that one away for possible future usage, along with WASDcups
I hope you don't take any future names that I decide to change my identity online to, in the future... Lolz
i prefer the joystick t-shirt more tbh
Bruhhh
Lmfao
What the heck kind of name is that
🤣🤣
💀
it was if i was going to spoof a female VTuber character with really big... keys
Lol
It's quite funny, and I can see the appeal to the name
Lmao
I'm betting that you can probably pick up a few male simps, from that, lol
Would you be fine with me sending you a friend request?
i tend not to use friend requests on Discord, thanks though
no worries
?
jumping into the middle of some other conversation to voice your unsolicited opinion is rude
I try to keep my friends lists very slim on services, regardless of them being Discord, Steam, Twitch, etc.
please follow the server #rules, specifically #2
people can be friends in here without being friends on the rest of discord
the most shameful, i know
hot 

That's suspiciously specific.
ive fisted a jar of mayo after we hit our St Jude fundraising goal
this was after I drank mayo soda
which was not as bad as I was hoping it would be
where did the 99 come from?
the good times ™️
i guess they are right. Art IS subjective
<@&715347355565817879> and there it is
thanks
I looked away, what happened?
maybe it's a ban they were longing for, we'll never know
they posted explicit content
I prefer cruncy peanut butter. Good oils for the skin and the peanut bits make an excellent exfoliant
mhhm natural
Stardew now allows you to drink mayo. The NPCs react to this. 
i just try to think of the "weird things", but not so weird that is truly cursed
example : chunky mayo
sounds weird and terrible. Then I made it during a st jude fundraising event. I just used mayo and riced cauliflower.
Listen, chunky mayo is the best mayo.
Especially if the chunks are like, pieces of hard-boiled egg.
yeah, ya basically have egg salad at that point
Mayo salad in a jar! 
i marked down a part in this vid with a play in where the name is displayed how do you call that cuz i wanna do that for my self :) https://youtu.be/5nn2WWQcZXM?t=350
It's non-trivial if you don't have existing experience with, for example, Blender, and you're best off asking somebody else to make it for you if this is a one-off. It'd probably be a $40 or less commission. The basics are:
Run a rigid body simulation of various balls falling apart, such as off the top of a spike-shaped object.
Jump to the first frame, and project your text from a top-down orthographic view on to the balls.
Render the simulation out so that everything falls apart.
Play the resulting video backwards.
Lmao
If I may ask, what were the deleted messages about?
Someone breaking the server rules
thanks alot <3
maybe i lowkey misunderstand the name of that
IAmADragonNotAnAlot.
But is welcome, owo.
AV1 discord is now VVC
april 1st ist the worst day of the year
They did this a year ago, too. 
YAY!
Challenge accepted!
I'm learning Blender and I want to test my skills so why not!
that's the spirit!
Yeah!
I'll start on it tomorrow, if I lock in, I should get it done in one day and five Google searches. 😁
wait so 2560 × 1440 on works on HDMI?
when both yer output device and your monitor support that... sure
i mean only*
does it only support HDMI?
nah
only if both devices support it and are HDMI 1.3 or above
They how come I don't see it in my display settings
there are some monitors that can only be driven to full via DP, for example
what cable/port are you currently connected with?
How do I check that?
the cable you plugged in, is it HDMI, display port, DVI?
see what cable your monitor is plugged in with?
Its DP
and now we'd need to know yer graphics card and yer monitor
but 1440p60 via dp only requires dp1.2 iirc, soo
that's only a 1920x1080 monitor
...yeah.
i cant go higher?
no
dang
not unless you buy a monitor that supports 2560x1440 resolution, no
check you're atleast running it at 240hz refresh rate it's capable of
I mean you can still record at 1440p in obs if ya manually set it to do so, but why would ya do that
im asking bc it says if i play on that res i get higher fps
what says that
that's not what that chart says
The higher those resolutions go, the lower the FPS
SMALLER.
im confused
yeah. you'll get higher fps at 1920x1080 since it's a lower resolution
So logically, the lower the resolution, the higher the FPS
the resolution above 1440p (on that chart, 2048x1152) is smaller than 1440p and ya get more fps there already
yer running 1080, so a bit smaller than the res that is up top on that chart (1920x1080)
wait a minute so the reason i have low fps in cs2 is bc im playing on lower res? im playing 1440x1080 which 4:3
no
no.
i get only 150 fps and low when i play a match
likely that yer simply CPU bound
There are more factors than just the resolution
it sometimes goes up to 200 fps when im alone in practice map
the resolution is strictly how many pixels are along either side of your monitor, which multiplied together give you the total number of pixels you have to render on your graphics card to make an image. smaller resolutions will be less pixels and take less time to render, thus more frames can be pumped out in a second
eh that makes sense
Without bots? Yeah, yer CPU bound.
don't use these sites
Yeah, that sounds like a CPU issue handling the load when dealing with other players’ data
I'd test what happens when yer in the practice map /WITH/ bots
I'd imagine lower framerates
cause yeah.
...is that userbenchmark?
No
or some other of these bs sites
they're all the same 
hold on
those websites are very often just wrong
besides you wont notice that much of a difference
just decrease the fps you are pushing out and you will use less cpu
untill we have cpus that can run RT
and also.... plays good? Stop staring at the FPS counter
i dont see a need for upgrading cpus unless its really old
here my fps on a practice map vs a retake server
too many
this ain't some "I'm only getting 20fps" situation
chill
do you even have a monitor that can see that?
yeah
a monitor that goes up to 240
have you checked the screen is running at/set to 240hz?
but the nice thing is: gsync/freesync is a thing
so again
plays good? Stop starin at the counter&enjoy. Unless ya got hundreds of bucks to spare to upgrade to get a bit more.
for example ddoc playing at 400 fps so im confused how he getting consistent fps
Much much more expensive computer.
or lower textures
this is his pc
also its 2 pcs
yeah what even
lol
i guess if you run a pared down app loadout you don't need more
this is my settings
thats incompatible with all modern fsr or dlss systems
you're good. You got the hardware ya got, and you're getting what one gets with the hardware ya got.
what cpu do u have again?
intel core i7 11700f
11700f dosnt overclock
yer good, and I'm done
Need 1000fps in cs2 or you are doing it wrong /s
also a 3060ti isnt going to beat a 3080 lol
the person he be comparin to has a 4080, lol
Cs2 way more demanding now then csgo
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Apparently if I play on 1920x1080 I get better fps
Im testing it right now
At a 4x3 aspect ratio?
Nah, they be running at 150-280 fps depending on what they're doing&complaining (they got a 11700f+3060ti, btw) and comparing it to what someone with a 5950X and a 4080 be getting
nothin "bad" here
i was more questioning the 4x3 aspect ratio of 1440x1080, and apparently it is a thing in the CS community
yeah, it be
not the performance and such
fair
grab presentmon, use the GPU busy metric as a rough estimate to see if you're CPU or GPU constrained
just wanted to save ya from that "bad fps" stuffs that's been goin on for hours
CPU, test map alone is the 280fps max one
really depends for cs2, it scales with GPU in some scenarios now
oh yeah, for sure. i was following the convo
like, I'm GPU limited on my 1070 now when in csgo on the same hardware I was very CPU limited
whereas multi is more like 150-180 somewhere
so yeah, CPU still
🤷♀️
changing back to 1920x1080 did fix it a by a alot - little bit
yeah I'm GPU limited on 1920x1080 on my machine with my settings in a full DM server. more likely gonna just depend on your setup/settings. really just log it, change one thing at a time, and see
@civic quarry I will say(constellation spoiler ahead) ||that Russian cosmonaut is creepy AF and will haunt me in my sleep||
you too? crazy
I mean you have a much newer GPU than I do
I've got a 10850K and a 1070.
again, use presentmon and see for yourself.
I'm making stuffed bell peppers for dinner. Sadly, we ate our Peeps last week, so no weird marshmallow dessert. (We put them in ice cream LOL)
You didn't microwave them and watch 'em grow?
I was gonna, but my husband ate the last of em before I could get the chance LOL
Normally we microwave them every year with a toothpick or chopstick "lance" to make em fight
🙂 With the sugar they do get a bit crunchy. I remember one year us kids roasting them over a fire
We've done that once or twice! They make good s'mores!
or torches 😛
🔥 Bwaahahaha
@civic quarry just finished. WTF?!?!?!?@
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One of the servers I'm in has made their server icon have a red one on it.
same
Yup
this one works a bit better cause it doesn't get cut off
it's technically in the wrong spot but you only see that if there are actual notifications
my obs studio is automatically turned off while i am streaming.please any solution??
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Surprisingly I'm only in one server that is doing it lol. None of the others care
Yeah. Shockingly only this one for me too.
Though that may change in the next 12+ hours.
Scratch that.
Dyno decided to do the server offline as their icon when selected so.... 😐
Lololol. So they changed their icon to the red exclamation point?
Yup
2 jokester servers now
Nice Aprils Fool OBS.
https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/pull/10464
yeah
interesting weekend
https://boehs.org/node/everything-i-know-about-the-xz-backdoor this write-up is fun
Yikes
I missed a lot
so...
the project owner/founder; he renamed himself to Lain Bailey?
I kind of thought he was Hugh Bailey
unless if he has brothers or it's some kind of weird april fools joke
like I'm confused as I'm clearly living under a rock
it's a normal name change, happend a while back 🙂 nothing weird going on
jim_nvenc will also be renamed to obs_nvenc in a future version to clean up naming
No it's been changed for awhile
ah okay
so it's just a normal name change, that it? just the name? nothing related to gender or identity or did something also change with the name?
I'm just trying to understand here
is gender related to this?
from my small research, Lain is a unisex name
I don't know how to make it not so random
it's just a new name
okay
you can search them by "lain" and look at the pronouns in their user accoutn if you're in doubt
even if he did change his gender or something, I'm fine
I never checked what her pronouns were before, but here is what they are now
it's not like I'm going to enter attack mode or something, definitely not

it's just that I was curious
(@ powerfuldot's image)
that's all
like damn bro you shouldn't assume I'm all against everything
it's just my english and I couldn't connect things too well without making it so random
to be honest it doesn't really seem like any assumptions were made by anyone.
i think all is good here.
as it should
Nothing personal, but tons of people come in and antagonize folks about the issue. Especially during Pride month. You're fine
it's just that I was living under a huge rock
and I wanted to basically get out of it
glad you still got security certificates under that thing 
That's great!
I do remember something... I forgot the video but,
wasn't there an interview or clip or something with Lain Bailey in it?
I forgot
I do know that video exists/existed on YouTube
Yea
Crocs & hot pockets podcast with naaackers
Lain was on twice with naaackers but back then she was indeed Jim
Both were really incredible interviews imho
they are
Really great videos! Watched them recently
I was searching for these interviews/clips because I wanted to clear up one final thing and that is that the "Lain," "Hugh," or "Jim" I thought of is actually completely different. I thought she was an old brit so yeah I just wanted to clear up one thing.
It's just that I hope my message doesn't sound bad or anything. I don't know if it is or not myself because I have ASD so it's hard to know if what I'm saying is bad or not
because your stance about the situation is "oh, that's a thing that happens" and you're not actually being a hateful shit about it makes what you're saying mostly fine
a little unexpected, but fine
yeah I had to be really careful
this message alone, that I'm replying to, took multiple rewrites (in Notepad) just to get it right because I'm being really careful
and I don't want to be mean or anything whatsoever
I definitely don't want to be my 2018 self, that's for sure.
basically I was just worrying whether or not I broke the rules or not
and it seems like I didn't so that's good
being just curious about it is fine
it's being hateful about it that isn't
I ride for team green but that's pretty low effort
They should revive GLIDE while they're at it
damn just got email, im in Twitch’s Enhanced Broadcasting beta!
time to stream all the modern
congrats SP
Very cool!
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Are you calling him a monster, or a monster hunter
is there any tool for Discord that if someone messages in a server with a keyword in the start of the message, it deletes the message and messages ME?
for context in case anyone can think of a better way: i have a channel set up where anyone in the server can post clips they think i should either feature or delete, but i realized it would feel bad if someone made a clip and then saw someone else saying "eh you should delete this clip", so i was wondering of a way for it to directly message me
they put like "garboclip (clip link)" and it deletes the message and sends it to me?
a primitive form of this would be to make "garboclip" a blacklisted word so any message they send just auto deletes and that will by default show up in logs but i dont even know if blacklisting a word will allow them to SEND the message
I'm confused
you think people will prefix bad clips that you wouldn't want in your discord with a nice and easy keyword?
no, im saying its the system that would be in place
instead of them posting it saying "hey you should delete this" they submit it somewhere, but i dont want to find or pay for a whole submission tool like this
Just tell people to PM you.
spam + some people i would rather not have a conversation with
if its a bot it all goes one place
so instead my hope was to have them post it alongside a word nobody will say and a bot just delivers it. like MEE6 but instead of messaging them it messages me.
Oh. Then I think the term you want is "modmail".
yeah that sounds about right
yeah i could probably look into modmail
tries not to look at PC
Oldest I'm currently running is my 9900k, though I do have a 4790k system as a backup of I need it.
I still have some core2 generation hardware, but it's "archives"
Feel like I'm a broken record, but everything pre-4790k was lost with my house. Including the dual P1 system I had for nostalgia sake.
I even still had various, random older things I never used. Dual Monster 3D 12Mb Voodoo cards, SB 16 and 32 AWE with maxed RAM, Matrix G400, etc.
that sucks. I'm sorry to hear that xorshasia
It was only stuff, and the only living casualty was my parakeet, Buddy.
this looks like a good deal
oh damn
i dont need a monitor
i dont need a monitor
i dont need a monitor
i dont need a monitor


hi

How you guys doing? 
I'm wishing headaches didn't exist. 
Not much. Working a bit on some tools and websites. Chilling.
linden uwu
Migrane or headache?
been a while
Unsure. wx.
are you a fish today?
I don't. xwx...
Manatee! 
You guys know if anyone has reported issues with unlocking a source, and being unable to resize it or interact with the red resize border for a bit - then suddenly it starts working again? Seems new to 30.1 for me.
Found no mentions on the github Issues.
THANK YOU.
never heard of that
Aight, not finding any way to reproduce it - so until I do it'll just be one of those things then cheers 
Love me some race condition 😄
how big SC?
Fresh install so nothing in here really
also, scripts present?
Nein
yee unsure then
Added some docks for a tool I was testing and two browser sources that about it. Just wanted to hear if it was something that was well known.
Since I'm not actively reading chat in here as much at the moment :3
Also on an unrelated note;
Apparently you can't upload to imgur anymore?
At least the upload button appears gone for me.
You can do "New post", but that requires you to log in. Dunno if this is new.
Only found out cus ShareX error'd out trying to upload img to imgur 
yeah need an account to upload to it
You used to be able to anonymously upload 
yee not anymore
there's very little site that allows you to upload pics without an account of sorts anymore
Warhammer rogue trader has been hard for me to wrap my head around so far, so many systems and so many stats
I'm finally past the prologue and starting to get into the game though, it is cool to be a boss
Nice picture! OwO!
xD
the game gets better past the prologue
@sick cedar So the dep code needs to be compiled separately to be used with obs? I was confused because I didn't see the encoder dependency organization of nmkoder when trying to view the obs encoding dependencies recently
depends on the project. I've not heard of nmkoder, so I can't speak to that
but OBS is quite a large project, and is multiplatform (macOS, linux and windows), and there are a lot of dependencies. It makes sense to have it as a separate project/repository (at least to me)
I see. Based on a very cusory look of nmkoder, it does not actually "depend" on ffmpeg, the same way OBS does.
This software kind of just talks to any ffmpeg binaries you have lying around.
OBS is much more tightly integrated, and speaks to the libraries, like avcodec etc
nmkoder uses av1an but generally a lot of the dependencies like ffmpeg can be copied in and easily updated without recompiling the code. But other dependencies (like av1an and av1 svt and aomenc) only have a public source code and need to be compiled separately and then copy and pasted into the program folders
oh
exactly 🙂 You can compile nmkoder without that stuff, because its not truly depending on it, the same way OBS is
so it depends on it, in the human term, like you can't use it without that software. But you don't need to link to those libraries during compile time (like OBS)
What is CI? Did the SVT-AV1 bug get fixed on the github dep repo but it never the bug was never fixed in the main release?
CI is continous Integration.
https://www.redhat.com/en/topics/devops/what-is-ci-cd
The bug was reported to Microsoft. They fixed it, and with the latest version of the compiler, the problem is solved (I believe, fairly confident).
However, on GitHub, they don't use the latest version of the Microsoft VS compiler, its not something they update super frequently, as far as I know.
That means, for the meantime, it is on a version that has the bug. Hopefully it won't stay on that version too much longer.
Github has a compiler? I am very confused. Does that mean I download the source code for the obs dependencies and obs studio and compile it myself to avoid the vs code compiler bug?
no, GitHub provides the CI/CD service for the OBS repositories, which is hosted on GitHub.
CI will essentially start up a little windows virtual machine, which installs the Microsoft VS compiler (simplified)
the compiler it installs has the problem. I would have the same problem if my Visual Studio was out of date on my local computer
the issue is just that its easy for me to upgrade mine, on my computer. A bit more complex to just upgrade it on a huge platform like github
and yes, you could compile your own OBS dependencies + OBS, and you would be free from the bug. Its just not very easy to do 😛
how do I compile it? Is it using cmake files or make files? I think it should take a while for the computer to compile
I also like NMkoder because it adds a gui for Av1an and it lets me change the amount of workers and workers per cpu core. Is this possible in obs to do this to improve encoding performance?
lissen, its going to be too long and complicated to try to explain 😅 I still have not compiled since the cmake rework. Even with an outline, I am sure you'll run into multiple blockers, that are not resolved by the click of a button. Even if you do get it compiled, you'll have to configure cmake to look for your custom deps, which is also not trivial.
You are of course free to try, and mess around, and google stuff until you get there, but I am not goign to be able to give you a step by step (that has a reasonable chance of working)
You can, but I think its a bad idea. x264 does it optimally already imo, as for the others, its pretty much all enabled (probably too much).
You can't force the encoder to "use more CPU". All you can really do is allow for a row based multithreading (obs already does), and slice the pictures up a lot (which OBS already does, probably too much).
The reason the CPU usage is not higher, is because it can't. You can increase the workload, like increase the framerate or resolution, but at a given preset, outside of the things discussed, there is not much you can do besides build a faster computer. You can of course tune and tweak encoder stuff, but I'm not going to be the right person to ask there. I've done minimal futsing with aom and svt av1
I think you'd be better of using ffmpeg to benchmark this stuff as well. A lot easier and more reproducible (and has built in benchmarking), and you have pretty much full freedom to do whatever
then you can always take what you've learned, and apply it to OBS, once you're happy
I mean it consistently skipped 0.2% frames when the cpu was barely being used over like 60% with X264 slow or AV1 AOM. Why would it be skipping frames if the cpu isn't even being used 100% to limit this? (the included graphs are the cpu cores being used while dropping 0.2% frames
ffmpeg inside of obs or what?
because its not quick enough. It needs to deliver the frames in a quick and frequent manner. If its a bit slow sometimes, like when there is a difficult frame, or the memory thruput is fully saturated for a bit.
OBS needs to be realtime, you have a very tight timing to complete the work 😅
nah, outside.
Software av1 is pooooop
I use nmkoder with av1an for encoding movies into av1 svt with the new av1 svt psy rc2 now. I can't use ffmpeg because command line stuff is too weird for me.
it's really good if you use encoder preset 0 for encoding movies with av1 svt to make the bitrate lower while keeping 85%+ of the quality
well, it would be the same in OBS. You just have the presets + the ffmpeg input field 😅 Its easier in ffmpeg than it is in OBS
Sure but that's not real time
It's ass for real time
syntax is just easier, more descriptive, faster, and google'able in ffmpeg, compared to OBS
once you've got something tested well and working, then you can try to transplant it into OBS
I wouldn't know because there's a compiler bug that won't let me use anything lower than av1 svt encoder preset 10. So av1 svt encoder preset 9 and everything lower just crashes obs studio. The cpu isn't even being used 100%
av1 aom looks worse than nvenc hevc so I don't even bother with that
does custom output ffmpeg in obs work in real time?
yea
well, it works, dosent work good 😛
I just assume you mean realtime vs not realtime (like nmkoder)
would it still crash obs if I tried to encode with the av1 svt encoder preset 9 or lower with the custom output ffmpeg option?
yes
I'm now 25 gallons of chlorine and 4lbs of shock into this pool amd it's still bring a dick. 2 years of not taking care of it has certainly lead to a nightmare
How's the water taste?
looks like pistachio pudding, just thinner
i think you are creating a new chemical
looks like fairly nice water... for The Matrix
It was 1000% pistachio pudding on day1 last Monday. But thicker
matty doing the hard work of thinning your pistachio pudding
You take that back, mister! D:
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Things to never say to derg: "h265 looks better than av1". 
make it go pooz then reverse it
It's not possible; it's always slow. If you want something faster, look up flowframes and be on nVidia, owo.
I've seen this
Good, hug it.
Minterpolate is heavily single-threaded and slow as heck on top of that. One or two frames per minute (for 1920x1080 on highest interpolation) is "fast" for it. Meanwhile, flowframes can be real-time for the same footage, and IMO, looks eons better.
I was really happy with the minterpolate results but yeah it's dog slow
I run some of my games at 90 FPS and there's no great way to get 60 out of that without some futzing so I started fiddling around with interpolation. Feels dirty
That's a very valid use-case, owo. Flowframes allows for this now, I think.
I think this took like half an hour :F
It was so slow that I could use some ridiculous preset and it kept up
This is why I consider non-divisible-by-60-hz monitors to be scams. 
Almost any like that are VRR so they can be divisible
But sometimes I can drive 90 FPS, but not 120
Then you're doing 60. 
With frame generation 60 isn't a very viable option so you gotta compromise
You need to be able to generate ~40+ "real" frames or input lag gets extra crappy
Need a better GPU then. 
Outside of recording 90 is a pretty great balance
Yeah...I've been toying with the idea of a 4090 but it's so excessive
I wish we had ASW/ATW but for non-VR. Solved the latency issues /and/ still generates frames. Been a thing for like 5-6 years at least, now.
I guess I have a 3070 and a 4070 I could offload to balance the price a little bit but it would only be driving 1440p 240 at most.
It feels kind of wrong to not do 4K but I don't want to drive 4K either
Frankly, I doubt even a 4090 can do 1080p240 on modern games. I don't think we'll be considered "young" anymore, in any sense, by the time 4k becomes actually-attainable.
Probably not, I wouldn't need it to and I would likely be CPU bound before that point unless I was using frame generation
Anything with RT would benefit and that's where I end up using the 90 FPS cap most of the time
I'm sorry, I'm everywhere today. Does that mean "realtime", "raytrace", or "RTX brand"?
Oh no worries, I meant NVIDIA ray tracing
owo.
So stuff like Cyberpunk and Darktide and Control and whatnot
Never because it's a fact for real time
Unless you are rocking threadeipper or something stupid
They said it "looks better" than aom.
Not that it performs better. I use aom! 
Oh, misunderstand, got it now. 
But the context of convo was performance
I forgot that I had two conversations. 
I forgive you
Thank you! OwO!
i wanna be baby
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looks like a flattened football on a kicking tee
Well it's got me ready to kick
You need a bigger transceiver
Gonna Charlie Brown it
fire up the klystrons
🍿 Yeah, I'm not used to American "free speech" LOL
The same free speech I spent 20 yrs defending 🙂
Some of us actually know the meaning of the words 🍻
> striving to make the world a better place
By keeping old traditions alive i guess?
I was just debating saying that. ROFL
What's wrong with licking boots
No kink shaming here
they gotta get clean somehow
Just because it looks like chocolate coating, doesn't mean it IS chocolate.
depends on where the boots have been, like was it on stage or on the farm
but... what if it IS?
they do sell poop shaped chocolate after all
for that special person you want out of your life
I don't think I could do it
Hold on, I have like six people who need this. 
We're going to need a bigger box
$15 each, are they worth that? lol
Grow a set ya mary
One of them is.
Maybe two, if this other dude keeps trying to rip me off. Am trying to get a $12 refund from them, sounds like I could channel that directly into this chocolate. owo.
lol
btw, GamersNexus released a new video today talking about Video Encoding with the guy from Intel that was showing off that new benchmarking software dealing with GPU-Wait recently.
didnt realized, uncompressed, YouTube would be sending out 155 Petabytes of data, and that is x130 the global internet usage today

I mean, they receive 70+ years of footage every 24 hours
How uncompressed is "uncompressed"? Lowering resolution or frame rate is a form of compression, too.
Is it an interview piece? GN doesn't filter out the misophonia triggers from those, so I can't watch them. If it is, could you summarize it for me so I can check it against what Chat With RTX spits out, owo?
still watching it, its about 30 minutes long. they are talking about RGB and YUV (444, 422 and 420) right now
420 is the best
Is it Steve standing near a guy and nodding and going "mhm" a lot?
n... no.. yes 🙂
Thanks, I can't watch it. xwx.
I will not stand for this blasphemous talk about tech Jesus
get an AI to remove Steve
Instead I'll sit
I wish. Literally all I want is them to just turn Steve's mic off during those segments.
Worse, AI to remove that vocal tick /exists/, just I don't have access to it, and GN doesn't use it. Almost everyone else does, though.
i dont mind it, makes him more personable that way.
I wonder if the LocalVocal plugin could remove it
Gib details. Please.
I want to see this stuff so bad but steve's stupid noises cause me extreme pain. x.x
The sound of someone pronouncing "mhm"?
Yes. Misophonia is, over-simplified, allergies to specific sounds.
Youtube's automatic captions are usually accurate, hit c to enable them, then m to mute.
I don't want to read them though, I wanna listen and do something else while they go. o.===.o. Plus I like their b-roll. 
https://obsproject.com/forum/resources/localvocal-local-live-captions-translation-on-the-go.1769/
This can remove unwanted words like um and swears from audio. One could try running the audio through OBS with the filter activated and it may do the trick.
Would unfortunately need to be realtime tho
Thank! OwO!
YW! I hope it helps! Roy is very helpful with it in the plugins channel if you need any pointers.
What version of OBS does this want? I'm on 29. 
Should be fine. Came out during 28 I am pretty sure

Nothing works it's all ruined! 
Bad Dot haha. I am sorta mildly okay at using it. Want support?
...Kind of. 
If want, we can work on it in #plugins-and-tools Ping me whenever you want. You're my favorite dragon
This claim is dubious; how many other dragons do you know? 




