wtf does that mean 😭
#💽Programming Chat v2
spare quartz
I DONT KNOW!!!
spare quartz
also toby aint no poser
ys he is
flint belfry
prove
spare quartz
he wants to be japanese so bad
flint belfry
he wants to be japanese so bad
he literally just learned it because of media and translations
smh
flint belfry
spare quartz
actually i wont continue this conversation because of how quickly it could turn on me .
flint belfry
LOL
spare quartz
pick up the phone , kade.
flint belfry
OK
spare quartz
normal bison
flint belfry
https://tenor.com/view/our-brains-are-shrinking-brainrot-brain-gif-1152646064717...
qsp analytical report
uncut pumice
huh
slender sail
Programming chat is dead 
jovial rose
pros your gram
pastel tinsel
true
wicked cliff
where is programming chat v3
jovial rose
i ate it
timid quartz
Gone
proud creek
😦
pastel tinsel
yike
jovial rose
we need a thread for c++ users to vent about cmake
flint belfry
why not do it here 😭
timid quartz
we need a thread for c++ users to vent about cmake
You can totally do that here
I for one have only tried to make my own CMake config once
And it nearly gave me an aneurysm
jovial rose
i jumped build systems for my game engine maybe 4 times or something
all because i was trying to avoid cmake
i used meson, xmake, premake, and then finally gave in and used cmake
and ironically cmake took the least effort to set up 😭
rustic vine
i used meson, xmake, premake, and then finally gave in and used cmake
bazel? 😁
or cmake + conan?
jovial rose
cmake is nice because it downloads all the dependencies and compiles them automatically
before i had to manually compile those and make the build system copy the libraries to the actual build dir
jovial rose
haven't yet
rustic vine
have u seen conan before?
jovial rose
heard of it
rustic vine
if you're not using more niche libraries ("niche") it can be good
otherwise FetchContent is prob the only choice until cpp modules rolls around (never lol)
rustic vine
jovial rose
might look at bazel ig tho, seems interesting
jovial rose
but my project is entirely c/c++ and it looks like multi language support is one of their selling points
not that that's a bad thing just not applicable for my project, but i don't know maybe i'll add lua scripting support to my engine
rustic vine
being universal across languages is a benefit yes
jovial rose
yea
jovial rose
yea
terrifying but powerful
i don't know if a metabuild system is something that was as popular as cmake is now before cmake existed but it definitely makes things so much easier
premake technically is one since it generates makefiles and stuff but none of my libraries can be built with one premake command really and it generates makefiles and really nothing else (for linux at least)
timid quartz
just write good makefiles…
normal bison
jovial rose
okay so im writing a 2d top down rpg game engine with sfml in c++ because i hate myself and enjoy suffering right, but my issue is that i'm trying to give it lighting as well and it turns out trying to make fake orthographic 3d in actually 2d dimension is extremely headache inducing, should i lowkey just throw all of my rendering code out the window and rewrite it in opengl and use actual orthographic 3d to achieve the top down 2d view? or is this a stupid idea and should i go to sleep
jovial rose
actually i'm going to try and see if i can get my gui library to work with bgfx because it seems really promising
god damn even minecraft bedrock uses it
jovial rose
update this quadrupled the amount of files it has to compile (823)
jovial rose
the Thing
valid radish
Excerpt from the Apollo 11 CMC software
yes this is an actual line
There’s lots of funny bits in the software but I won’t bother posting it all
Thank god for the digital archives or I wouldn’t be able to research this stuff
jovial rose
compilation of me crashing out in my source code
jovial rose
msbuild try to use all my cpu cores challenge
lavish dove
gnumake and gcc
jovial rose
tried using gcc but my code kept segfaulting with it for some reason
only on mingw gcc not msvc
as much as i hate msvc
i can use ninja and msvc tho
lavish dove
Yeah mingw is shit
jovial rose
both are equally as shit, msvc's error messages are about as cryptic as a segfault itself and msvc just. ignores like every standard ever so i have to explicitly modify my code that already works fine on linux and mac JUST for windows all because of microsoft
genuinely praying for the sanity of people who work there i dont know how they manage to stay sane with their horrible toolchains
timid quartz
@spare quartz you might be right, the JVM might be good
spare quartz
<@516049910622191626> you might be right, the JVM might be good
questio n mra k ?
timid quartz
questio n mra k ?
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jovial rose
anything is better than c++ 
timid quartz
but i didnt expect you to say that ever ...
well compared to c++
spare quartz
well compared to c++
i wonder if you'll ever get to writing the macos features for SystemDevices....
spare quartz
you'll probbably graduate before consoles even work...
timid quartz
yes likely
jovial rose
trying to add lua support to my engine but cmake had other plans and began summoning satan
jovial rose
im going to explode
lavish dove
trying to add lua support to my engine but cmake had other plans and began summo...
ive had so many problems with cmake its insane 😭
I just use normal makefile's for everything
jovial rose
yea i would too but makefiles honestly scare me more
cmake's one redeeming feature for me is FetchContent to download dependencies though because git submodules genuinely drive me insane, and i have like 8 huge libraries my code depends on
plus i don't know how well makefiles work on windows, and cmake handles a lot of weird microsoft stubbornness for me
timid quartz
leenux
pastel tinsel
leanux
proud creek
linx
jovial rose
lix
timid quartz
x
umbral monolith
timid quartz
jovial rose
ming Chat v2
timid quartz
program
mossy spruce
trying to add lua support to my engine but cmake had other plans and began summo...
Cmake moment