Rearranged SH282, an idea that became a mod, that we pester satiric for. *occasionally*

[rocky swallow]

yes, with cutoff close to 1% like some people run in DV the ports would open so little that there'd be pretty much no steam going through them

[tender root]

That is not simulated in DV, ports are either open or closed

[rocky swallow]

ohhhh

so if i read that right, when you have your cutoff at 50%, the port is opened 50% of the stroke and then it closes instantly, like a poppet valve?

[tender root]

yeah

(poppet valves don't close instantly either of course)

[rocky swallow]

yeah, but they are made to be fully open for most of their opening time and then close the fastest possible

to limit the time they are partially closed

[tender root]

yup

[rocky swallow]

got this on La Locomotive à Vapeur, showing the different admission and exhaust opening areas depending on the angle of the crank

[dense palm]

The rolling Resistance on the 282 is too low too Cause its plain bearings

[tender root]

Here's what the valve gear sim says. Top is reverser in full forward, bottom is centered

[dense palm]

OMG I just had a great idea

Hear me out

The more damage that the steam locos power train has should make the valves have lost Motion

That way there's more of a reason to take care of locos

[tender root]

wym "lost motion"

[rocky swallow]

plays i suppose?

[tender root]

Like, making the chuffs out of time? Kinda hard to do in DV with how it works unfortunately

[rocky swallow]

bestest idea ever: if you crash your S282 once, even after you repair it the combination lever lower link had to be reforged and is now 2cm too long on one side! the engine is now out of time.

(that is not serious)

but that is what happened to one of our locomotives

[tender root]

oof

[dense palm]

So as the valve gear wears out the valve won't even move at a low cut off

[tender root]

I don't think that's how that would work though

hmm hyce used to have a good short of an engine being out of time but I can't find it

[dense palm]

I don't know how you would sim it but just the same amount of cut off gives you less cut off with worn out valve gear

[tender root]

That would be easy to do but I'm not sure how common that kind of failure would be IRL

[dense palm]

Because it's just moving slop in the pins instead of the valve

[dense palm]

491 has it just wear and tear from being used causes it

[tender root]

Actually it would be easy to change the max cutoff, but it would be hard to make a deadspot in the middle

[dense palm]

But yeah with a clapped out loco 10% cut off just doesn't let steam in or it gets stuck letting steam in 1 side

[tender root]

Regardless it's not something for Rearranged S282

[dense palm]

Yeah maybe steam tweaks but for what ever reason discord won't let me find the thread

[tender root]

https://discord.com/channels/332511223536943105/1215209428869980160

[dense palm]

Oh the name got changed that's why lol

[tender root]

oh yeah haha

[rocky swallow]

ours is too

(even without the 2cm)

the frame is bent so we can't do much, at low cutoffs she will lose exhaust beats one by one

above 35%, you have 4 normal blasts, then at ~35% you have only 3 and a half fourth, then it drops to 2 if you go further than 25%

[tender root]

Well here's another video that sounds vaguely similar to what I remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK2BeOX2o2Q

[rocky swallow]

oh that is worse than ours

because that sounds like high cutoff

[tender root]

yeah it's working pretty hard there

[lavish nacelle]

sounds very similar to a car cranking with a dead cylinder

the "shuff shuff shuff silence"

[tender root]

Huh never noticed but yeah DRGW 491 has it a little bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQxAfsT879c

[lavish nacelle]

"measure thrice, cut it twice"

[dense palm]

Yeah and the closer to center the bar is I believe makes the timing get even worse

[dense palm]

Oof right at 3:40 she's real out of time poor peaches

🍑

Just need some belly scratches

[floral valley]

lol. Goose rowing on the tender step

[tender root]

yeah lmao

[rocky swallow]

that is normal, the less movement you give the valve, the more the errors in the valve gear are prevalent relative wise

[ashen coyote]

the fact you and i probably know about 80% of the people in this video now xD

[tender root]

Lol yeah some familiar faces in there

[chrome vortex]

the world of steam is relatively small

[viral veldt]

Where could I download the mod for this though?

[floral valley]

for build 99? its unavailable b/c it is not yet complete

[tender root]

I could use some help testing the new versions of LMS and Rearranged S282. This version of LMS should load significantly faster after the first launch. No new arrangements but the duplexes have twice as many oil cups, and all oil cups should work as expected
EDIT: download LMS version 1.1.3 below

With Rearranged S282, the S282 should be about as grippy as it used to be before B99 (traction has been magically increased without changing the weight). Duplexes are still 50 tons heavier

[wanton lake]

shut up discord

[tender root]

this mod will probably not make your computer explode

[wanton lake]

something's wrong with LMS

(already restarted the game)

[ornate spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/overheat-computer-explosion-boom-spark-gif-17323916

[tender root]

can you send a log?

[tender root]

!log

[ornate spindle]

I don’t think commands work in threads.

[tender root]

ah forgot about that

that's dumb

[wanton lake]

textfile log says the same as the UMM log

[tender root]

Does that look like your derail valley installation folder?

[wanton lake]

yes

[tender root]

OK making sure I didn't hard code it to my installation folder lol. I think I know what's wrong one sec

OK try this version

[wanton lake]

Seems to be working now

lubricator model doesn't exist on the duplexes but it can still be cranked

[tender root]

should be up on the running board

hmm

[wanton lake]

well

i reapplied it

the handle no longer exists

[tender root]

Can you send another log?

[wanton lake]

the lubricator isn't even mentioned

[tender root]

I want to see the exact sequence of wheel arrangements you selected

[wanton lake]

found hte handle

[tender root]

what it spawned in as and then what you chose

so easiest to just upload the file

[wanton lake]

4-6-0 (spawned as)
2-4-4-2
4-4-0
4-6-0
4-4-4-4
2-4-4-2

actual log

it's fine on every configuration where the drivers are normal size

is the frame being shorter on the 0-x-x setups new?

[tender root]

no that was there before

[wanton lake]

never noticed it

other than the lubricator, so far so good

haven't left the museum yet though

[sly hawk]

yoooooo its “out”

ill mess with it tmw satiric to see if i can find any bugs 4 ya

[wanton lake]

torque buff is very noticable with the x-4-x drivers

[sly hawk]

im excited bc i never got to use this mod

(i got back into the game when b99 released so everything was broken)

[wanton lake]

shit

[sly hawk]

took a sec for me to see where dafuq the tender was

[wanton lake]

floating

rear pair of drivers on duplxes don't have any chuff

and the anti-wheel slip computer doesn't detect them slipping

[ashen coyote]

Uhhhhh @tender root

trying to test out the new version for ya

[tender root]

I'm gonna say the magic words...

@wanton lake @ashen coyote send me a log

[wanton lake]

multiple types of valve-gear for optimum effeciency (ignore the friction loss)

[ashen coyote]

how do you get the log again? Been a while 😅

[sly hawk]

lmfao

[wanton lake]

(ignore the fact im obliterating the cylinders)

[ashen coyote]

found it!

[tender root]

BTW whenever this happens your log is gonna blow up

So be warned of the big file sizes lol

[ashen coyote]

i noticed xD

[wanton lake]

prob gonna be a bit when i next post cause mother's doing work behind me, not exactly a fan of her being able to see what im talking about

even if it's helping bug testing a mod for a train game lol

[sly hawk]

lol true

[tender root]

OK I'm gonna pick this back up again tomorrow

[wanton lake]

have a good one

[lilac matrix]

Has the torque been nerfed to pre build 99 levels? If not does that mean the 282 slightly better in certain situations.

[dense palm]

No as far as i know but the FOA got buffed so everything should be more powerful then it was before

[wanton lake]

torque is the same

x-4-x's really benefit from it

[midnight cedar]

Very cool to see work being done on a B99 version of this mod

[lilac matrix]

That's nice it's more powerful now and certain arrangements benefit more from the increased torque

[silver prairie]

The duplex sounds like a rocking washing machine xd

also something else is that the temp gauge can't read anything over 600c for some reason

[silver prairie]

Managed 2500 ton coal train with the duplex

very powerful thing

[tender root]

Oh yeah in order to get the lubrication squealing sounds to work on the rear cylinders, I duplicated the valve gear sounds into the rear cylinders as well. It works but it feels like it's a bit louder than rotary valve gear should be

[silver prairie]

ah k

[tender root]

On which arrangements?

[shadow raft]

You could get rid of the LayeredAudio for those ports.

[silver prairie]

Only on the 2-10-0

but I'm not sure if it was me having skill issues or a bug has it only happened once.

[tender root]

and thus the todo list did grow

[lethal yew]

So, I really like the idea of this mod, but is there any way for me to be able to ensure that I can spawn a specific wheel arrangement (i.e. 2-8-0, 2-10-0, 2-4-4-2, etc.)?

[tender root]

you can turn off the ones you don't like in the mod's settings

[wanton lake]

valvegear fully exits the cylinder on the x-12-x arrangements

[lethal yew]

Ah, thanks.

(It's not that I don't like certain wheel arrangements - I just want to use certain wheel arrangements as representations of other locomotives.)

[wanton lake]

x-12-x seems effected aswell

[tender root]

Yeah this will probably not get fixed unfortunately since I don't want to screw around with custom animations

I chose franklin rotary valve gear for the duplex specifically because it was very easy to animate lol

[lethal yew]

Do the locomotives handle differently from each other? (i.e. does the 2-12-0 have a higher likelihood to derail than the 4-4-0?)

[wanton lake]

i think so since it has 2 leaders instead of 4

[tender root]

Read the nexus mods page, this hasn't changed since B98

[lethal yew]

Ah, a'ight. My apologies.

[wanton lake]

TL:DR, arrangements with less leading and trailing wheels are more prone to derailing

ok the firebox temp thing might be issue with either LMS or the mod itself

all of the arrangements seem to be effected

UHH

@tender root this wouldn't happen to be intentional would it?

[tender root]

You mean the lubricator handle?

no

[lethal yew]

Yeah, that's also not spinning for me, either (with the 2-4-4-2 duplex).

[wanton lake]

it's spinning

just uhh

[tender root]

yeah controls are annoying to move, I'll look into it

[lethal yew]

A'ight.

Still, well done on getting this to work with B99.

[shadow raft]

The rotation is tied to the animation now BTW.

[tender root]

yeah I know

[shadow raft]

You probably already figured it out but getting it right in CCL took a bit...

[tender root]

I just forgot during the debugging process lol

[shadow raft]

Also, about the audio, I was thinking about the out of lube sound, not the normal squish it has.

[tender root]

moved the inner bit that has to stay at 0,0,0 instead of the parent

[shadow raft]

So I guess that can't be disabled.

[tender root]

I seem to remember that it's possible to disable the main valve gear clickety clack sound, but it results in a ton of log spam that is basically impossible to get rid of

Like, it complains every single frame that it can't play the sound or something

Might be a skill issue though idk

[shadow raft]

Yeah "you can't play from a disabled audio source"

[tender root]

yeah that's what it was

[shadow raft]

You could patch the ports so they always read 0.

For the volume, that is.

[wanton lake]

should i do some repairs?

[tender root]

Well I want it to not read zero when the other arrangements are enabled. Would work for the rear engine though

to be honest I've never bothered to look at that screen lol

[tender root]

When stationary or moving? Blower on or off?

[wanton lake]

both and both

full hamming the 4-4-2 i got it up to 800

i mistook the cylinder cocks for the blower

blower seems to do a lot

almost like the forced draft from the exhaust isn't being simulated

[tender root]

I am messing with the draft calcs, so that the rear engine counts towards the draft. Probably something got disconnected there

[midnight cedar]

Is there a list of all the current wheel arrangements anywhere?

[quiet wave]

Literally the first thing on the mod page? https://www.nexusmods.com/derailvalley/mods/752

[short void]

Silly goose

[dense palm]

Yes they do I had a 0-8-0 complete fly of the rails in the Harbor with the 2-8-2 I go around it at 50 and it's fine the 0-8-0 was not having it

[lilac matrix]

The 0-x-0's have a very low derail speed I had a 0-10-0 derail at the curve outside Harbor going around 30

[tender root]

If it's too crazy I could buff it

[shadow raft]

Is it a linear buff/nerf?

[tender root]

Yeah

[shadow raft]

You could probably make it exponential then.

So lower speeds are less affected by it, and higher more.

I'd say under 40 the nerf should be minimal, that's baby speeds.

Hmmm I just looked at your code, it might be harder to do with the way you did it...

When I did mess with derail thresholds, I faked the force the game felt.

[tender root]

Huh I hadn't thought of that

The way I'm doing it is pretty dumb

[shadow raft]

It was a bit messy, probably not as performant as it could be either since it kinda patched all joints, but yeah.

[tender root]

Yeah the game really wants all vehicles to derail at the same speed

[shadow raft]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender root]

I guess it's needed for the speed limit signs to make sense,and for diesels it's fine

[shadow raft]

But basically what I did was:

• Prefix method where derail is calculated, cache the stress joint
• Patch all joints
• If joint is cached stress joint, alter force
• Else joint works as usual

[tender root]

Gotcha well I'll look into changing it but probably I'll just buff the switchers a bit

[shadow raft]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

If you can get the current speed on that GetDerailThreshold method you have, you can also change it dynamically instead of completely rewritting it.

[tender root]

Yeah that's what I thought you meant when you mentioned making it exponential

[gloomy helm]

DANG, 6200 MSG

[tender root]

MSG? monosodium glutamate?

[gloomy helm]

xD

messages, you absolute goober

[tender root]

oh lol that makes more sense

[wanton lake]

Salt on crack

[tender root]

yup

[midnight cedar]

Have you ever considered making an 060 version? Could be funny

[ornate spindle]

We should make like a counter for how many people have asked for a 0-6-0 version

[tender root]

Yeah I've been working on improvements to the S282 but at some point I'll get around to it

[ornate spindle]

To save satiric the typing, his reason is he wanted to make the articulated engines first,

[midnight cedar]

I see

👍

[ornate spindle]

Or did you want to make those after the 0-6-0's

[midnight cedar]

S040

[tender root]

hadn't decided

[ornate spindle]

Fair enough then.

Or were you just going to work on the 2-8-2T first.

[tender root]

well right now I'd like to get boosters working

after that IDK

[ornate spindle]

Did you have any models done? or are you just talking about coding

[hardy ridge]

working perfectly, great job, and thank you very much for making this amazing mod

[tender root]

luna has done a lot of the modelling, although I need to get the steam pipes animated right (the booster is on the front tender truck, so ideally I'd have animated pipes between the booster and tender, and animated pipes between the tender and locomotive. I also need to remodel the locomotive pipes, and do some texturing work for that... I've done a lot of the simulation work already though

[tender root]

thanks, I'm glad you like it

[hardy ridge]

The texture of the new print does not stick to the rear axles, and the lubricator's hand is not in place, nothing that gets in the way, this mod is incredible.

[wanton lake]

Lubricator handle doesn't work on the duplex's

it works on every other arrangement but the animation's all fucked up on larger/smaller drivers

[silver prairie]

The painters got lazy and didn't paint the back wheels

[shadow raft]

Sounds like the new axle renderers aren't being added to the paint components.

[tender root]

By rear axles, do you mean the trailing axles, or the rear driving wheels?

Well I'll add it to the list anyway

[tender root]

thought I fixed that, I guess I didn't

[silver prairie]

mine is fine

[shadow raft]

Could it depend on the order of applying paint/arrangement?

[pseudo jungle]

I wouldn't mind making custom animations

being able to change the valve gear from more than just walschearts or poppet would be cool af

[tender root]

Actually the way to do it would be modelling new wheels and keeping the same valve gear. Ideally they'd be able to use the S282's texture

The wheels would be smaller or larger but would need to have the same mounting points for the side rod, to keep the piston stroke the same for all arrangements

That would also solve the problem of the four coupled having massive flanges

and massive tires

[tender root]

probably something like that

[shadow raft]

Yeah don't go too wild, I'm still thinking about making it possible to change the drivers with Car Changer.

So y'all can go wild and give the S282 your fancy Bulleid Firth Brown wheels.

[tender root]

the problem is that the drivers are really inaccurate in the current version of the mod. I think a lot of people don't realize just how weird it is to just scale up the vanilla wheel

[shadow raft]

Big flange

[tender root]

not just the flanges, literally everything is out of proportion

[shadow raft]

Ye it's goofy lol

[lament blade]

are we possibly going to get larger wheel arrangements (2-6-6-2 or bigger)?

[hardy ridge]

both

[dense palm]

We don't have Enough frame for that

[short void]

Just weld two locomotives together

[quiet wave]

feels like a dynamically defined driver wheel model would be the best solution. That way you're not creating a new wheel model for each arrangement. but instead features of the wheel get adjusted scaled and translated independently of each other.

[tender root]

yeah the hub could stay the same. I think it would theoretically be more performant if it was one part per wheel, but I don't think it matters much

hmm I guess I could do some fancy mesh edits on the existing wheel model. Convert coordinates to polar, change radius of all points with a radius greater than some value, then convert back to cartesian. Would have to all happen at runtime though

Then the texture would just work

technically would be cylindrical coordinates I guess

hmm the counterweights would be annoying to deal with

[quiet wave]

and they're unique to each wheel, cause the wheel that connects to the main rod needs a bigger counterweight

[tender root]

I think it's just #3's counterweight that's different?

[quiet wave]

I'm also thinking how the same modular scaling model could be copy pasted for S060

[tender root]

#2 and #3 are blind of course, but I think that means #1 and #4 are technically the same wheel

[quiet wave]

I would just make all the drivers indentical. And say that #3's counterweight is made of a denser metal to compensate

[tender root]

Would be trickier on the S060 because the flange is part of the rear face of the driver

[tender root]

Well if I'm doing this for one wheel, it shouldn't be too hard to do it for the others

Well I could at least split off the crank pin and its mount so that I can scale the wheel without scaling the valve gear. Then I can use the stock valve gear and also not mess up Wiz's plans

Tires and counterweights would still look silly but at least the valve gear would be better

[fallen bane]

Could you make a B&O N-1 styled duplex?

[tender root]

Probably not, it would require me to learn how to animate walschaerts which I don't want to bother with

[midnight cedar]

Not sure if you're aware of this but when repainting the S282 demonstrator any added wheels/rods retain the previous rusty colouration

[ornate spindle]

someone is literally offering to animate 😭

[fallen bane]

D o i t

[tender root]

there's also no room for the rear cylinder

cab floor is too low

[fallen bane]

If this isnt big enough than you can cut the space out under the table

[tender root]

it's not, and that's very hard

it would involve swapping the cab mesh which would interfere with the other mods that already alter the cab

[fallen bane]

So it isnt possible

[tender root]

huh I never tested the manual repainting, only the painting with the comms radio in sandbox. I assumed that if the comms radio worked then the spray gun would work too but I guess not

[tender root]

I mean it is technically possible, it's just not something I want to sink my teeth into

People always ask "is this possible" and the answer is usually "well technically, yes..."

[fallen bane]

It depends

[tender root]

Theoretically, anything you can do in unity, you can do in derail valley. the question is whether the modder wants to do it or not, and how much effort it would take

[fallen bane]

Ok

Oh well

[tender root]

This mod isn't really meant to scratch the itch of "big american steam" anyway. No matter what I do to the S282, it will always be a weird midsized export freight engine

There will be big american four cylinder engines in the game once CCL is updated

[fallen bane]

I will be in the grave by the time that happens

[shadow raft]

Double down on the cursed and do a 2-2-4-2.

[wanton lake]

0-2-2-0

[dense palm]

Even better a 4-4-6-4 the Pennsylvania railroad would like to know your location

Or the 4-6-4-4

[shadow raft]

I'm keeping it within the S282's size.

[dense palm]

Pick your poison cause the pennsy had both

[dense palm]

Fair

[open echo]

Small bug noticed with the preview version posted a few days ago: with the 4-6-0 config the lubricator crank handle is rotating around some node that's near the front first driver at a radius of maybe smaller than the drivers. This is only when the lubricator handle moves automatically with the valve train when you're underway. When you crank it manually to get some oil in the system it operates as normal.

[wanton lake]

known issue

visual model has been moved but the animations haven't been changed to reflect it

[pseudo jungle]

wait are they actually

[tender root]

yeah

[lethal yew]

Yeah, they've always been like that - it's understandable to do that to the S282, as with such a tight railway, having two blind drivers would help its turning a lot. I don't know if any standard-gauge Mikes have had blind drivers IRL, but I know that Little River 110 (a tiny standard-gauge Pacific) and Everett Railroad 11 (a small standard-gauge Mogul) had blind middle drivers for navigating sharp bends.

Apparently, Everett 11 had its middle drivers' flanges removed after it was finished due to issues navigating the Narragansett Pier Railroad's tight curves, so I could absolutely see a similar situation happening with the S282s.

[wanton lake]

iv seen so many cappie pfps lately

[pseudo jungle]

the s200s and s160s have flanged middle middle drivers

the only SG mikes you'd find blind middle drivers on are logging engines

which generally have to cope with the same curves you'd be running geared power on

[lethal yew]

That makes sense.

[pseudo jungle]

a road mike having blind drivers is supremely cursed

[lethal yew]

I could understand if the drivers were bigger (like on the DRG 41 (1.6m) or PKP Pt31/Saxon XX HV (1.85m/1.905m)), but at just 1.424m...yeah, it does look a bit odd.

[tender root]

See I mostly know about real life steam engines from watching Hyce's channel and the Mt Rainier Scenic Railroad's channel, so I thought it was more common lol

[lethal yew]

Do you have drive wheel dimensions for the various wheel arrangements? I'm guessing most of them are the same as the base S282, but it still would be interesting to see how big some of the larger-wheel arrangements' drivers are.

[tender root]

They're on the nexus mods page

[lethal yew]

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that at first - I was looking at the table below.

[tender root]

no worries yeah there's a lot of crap on that page

For some reason i find it easier to write documentation than to read it

[lethal yew]

Maybe you could put the driver diameters in the tractive effort table when you update that? I feel like that might be less confusing.

[tender root]

yeah I can do that

[dense palm]

The c-19s on the d&rgw were like that they also loved to go in the dirt

Even the slow narrow gauge loco couldn't stay on the rails

Also iirc the Baldwin 10-26d had its first driver blind as a option a weird little 10 wheeler that thing was

[shadow raft]

Ran into this creature, 0-10-2 with booster.

Is the arrangement named after it (Union)?

[tender root]

yep

[short void]

That thing…needed a BOOSTER???

[lavish nacelle]

looks like its made to never exceed 20kph

[quiet wave]

If you're gonna be redoing that table, the top speed of each arrangement would be nice to have there as well

[ornate spindle]

I could get those myself personally when he does redo it.

By physically tossing the engine down the MB >> HB grade

[quiet wave]

Yeah, but I mean the top speed that the valve gear can propel the engine at. Anything can reach high speeds when it's falling off a cliff

[ornate spindle]

Ah,

[dense palm]

i bet that thing tracked like garbo

[hallow bluff]

The brute's name isn't Union, that's the railway it served. But yes, the 0-10-2 wheel arrangement got the name Union.

[lavish nacelle]

S282 does 300+ kilometers the hour, top speed right now is simply "how much straight track is ahead of you"

[dense palm]

satiric can confirm the duplex's have little to no draft fire caps at 607 and if you go though a tunnel it blows back so the sim is saying thats theres a very low draft

never mind its every thing

not just the duplex

[shadow raft]

If you use a duplex and swap back, it seems to get screwed.

[dense palm]

ah thats my problem then

more duplex things the back set of drivers sliping does not lower the wheel health %

also the old bug where duplex's dont use steam is back im using as much as the thottle will give and its still going sky high even with the 600 fire

[dense palm]

idk if you can do anything about this but the main rods hit the cross head gides

[tender root]

Not really unfortunately

[dense palm]

kind of what i thought

thats fine

this mod is so great i can look over things like that

[tender root]

Probably related to the no draft bug. I fixed that one the other day (not released yet) so I'll check

[dense palm]

ahh

[tender root]

Yeah TBH I've never bothered to look into the damage system lmao

[dense palm]

yeah that would do it

until the back set works with the wheel slip controller don't even bother otherwise people will kill there wheels with out even knowing

[shadow raft]

It's really simple, just hook the steam engine damage port to the wheels.

[tender root]

Well currently the front engine always slips before the rear

But yeah I hadn't even thought about that

[dense palm]

That's what mine does so🤷‍♂️

[tender root]

Yet another thing to debug 😵‍💫

[golden cipher]

Im thinking about this, and…
How the hell do you handle curves like that?

So many of the wheels need to be flangless

[ornate spindle]

No

10-2-4

I'd asume it would look like a normal steam engine from the rear

and then just a Turbine bogey truck cutting into the halfway point

[dense palm]

The UP had 4-12-2s and had great success with them blind drivers and a dream

[lethal yew]

There was a 10-2-4 clockwork loco made for Syberia.

[ornate spindle]

That seemed about right

[woeful kindle]

Always liked the art style of that game. The locomotive just being wind up powered but also coal

[lilac sedge]

anyone got that tonnage chart for the locos in the mod on hand

i need to pull 1734 tons out of the harbor and need to know what loco/set of locos to use

[vagrant tendon]

Go to the mod page on nexus

[lilac sedge]

oki

oh god i think i need a second loco lmao

[lethal yew]

The coal was for heating the carriage.

Speaking of that series, there was a quad-bike-style rail vehicle in Syberia 3 that would make for a funny mod.

[lapis olive]

I don't know if this has been reported on before, probably been found already, but for some reason w/ this mod enabled if I close cylinder cocks, there's always water, even after being open while running for an extended period of time. Water just immediately reappears in the cylinders

Doesn't happen with the mod disabled, don't know where to find a log for this

[wanton lake]

noticed that only with the duplexes

actually one thing i thought of to balance this mod is you can only change the arrangements in the 282's shed for a fee (probably based on the expected peformance of said arrangement)

[lapis olive]

Weirdly it's with every wheel arrangement for me

even stock 2-8-2

I straight up cannot close the cylinder cocks even if I've been running laps around the map because the pistons just explode from water

[wanton lake]

could be related to the draft simulation being broken

[lapis olive]

maybe

[swift island]

New version dropped? When?

[wanton lake]

limited testing

has a few major issues currently that satiric needs to fix

[swift island]

Oh okay, cool, cool

[wanton lake]

up here, but as i said, a few major issues

[wanton lake]

also you need this versiono f LMS, 1.1.2 is broken

[wanton lake]

namely, vaccum draft simulation is broken, lubricator handle is somewhat broken (it works but it freaks out when being driven by the valve gear and it outright doesn't work on duplexes so it has to be constantly cranked manually

and as waffles just brought up, water seems to collect in the cylinders very easily even with the cocks open

[lapis olive]

Yeah- while running as well

[wanton lake]

who would've though the 282 being finalised would've broken so many parts about one of it's most popular mods

[lapis olive]

truly

[short void]

I upgraded my 4-12-2 with a lift axle

[ornate spindle]

Pffttt

[short void]

Took me 3 days to notice that

[dense palm]

Omg I'll never unsee that

[tender root]

well that's not supposed to be like that

[dense palm]

My doesn't so🤷‍♂️

[wanton lake]

i got floating axle aswell

same on the 4-10-x

[golden cipher]

wait, there's a b99 version? where can I find it?

the nexus mods one says it isnt updated to b99

[wanton lake]

it's got a few issues

lubricator handle on the duplexes doesn't work

vaccum draft simulation doesn't work

[golden cipher]

is it still playable tho?

[wanton lake]

without the vaccum draft

configurations that cycle very quickly run out of steam

[golden cipher]

hmm

[wanton lake]

my 4-4-2 is doing fine

but that's cause the drivers are fucking massive

[dense palm]

I don't know why mines fine then

ok my 4-10-0 has it

and my 4-10-2

and 4-10-4

and the 4-12-2

idk why it was fine before

unless the track was just werid

[wanton lake]

just noticed the mount for the front leading axle is far foward

[dense palm]

idk anymore man

[tender root]

Thanks for finding this. Yeah I'm moving the axle mounts around and if it was working right it would line up

[wanton lake]

4-4-2 configuration

[tender root]

Definitely might only happen sometimes, I'll mess with it

it probably affects all arrangements with 4 leading wheels

[wanton lake]

front trailing axle on the 4-4-4 just floats

somewhat, it's half clipping into the smoke box

[tender root]

yeah those ones I gave up on lol

no way to make it look good

[wanton lake]

Unlock ultimate 282 customisation with 3 simple mods

(did want to do the belpaire firebox but the rear pair of drivers clipped into it)

[ornate spindle]

Yeah I noticed that myself. I wanted to use the large firebox with the high speed SH282, but the rear drivers clipped.

[lilac sedge]

Wait what mods? Obviously this one

[dense palm]

Yeah I was running the wide bottom but it clips

Also what's the 3 mod

Oh wait

It's 4 not 3

Lms
Wheel arrangements
Car changer
Loco tweaks

[lilac sedge]

Car changer didn't seem to work when I used it

Perhaps I'm using it wrong

Gotta look later

[viral veldt]

So is it only the duplexes that don't use steam pressure?

[dense palm]

Yeah

As far as I know

[arctic lagoon]

is the rearranger 282 mod wroking ?

[torpid apex]

its buggy and only client sided

otherwise it works

just not well

well with mp mod anyway

[stable kayak]

I think it's just the high-speed versions and the duplexes that have real issues. I've been running a 4-10-0 with great success. Only issue is the lubricator doesn't seem to auto fill while moving, but that's hardly a big deal.

[arctic lagoon]

Its working but not duplexes

[wanton lake]

duplexes work

every arrangement at least works

[torpid apex]

it works, some are just janky-er than others

[lilac sedge]

i also noticed something

when you are far away this happenes on a duplex

[shadow raft]

Yeah the extra stuff never got full LODs.

[lilac sedge]

aaaah

[shadow raft]

Which is extra painful in VR due to the extra FOV.

[lilac sedge]

also unrelated but i got to see blowback finaly

was gonna take another shot and saw a tunnel up ahead so i slammed open the firebox

[midnight cedar]

S222 when?

[wanton lake]

s012

embrace trike

[dense palm]

That is the wheel slip machine

[midnight cedar]

yes

0-4-0 but the wheels turn in opposing directions

[dense palm]

NO

[floral valley]

yoooo

is there a testing build?

seems like it w/ all these non satiric ppl postin screenshots

[golden cipher]

Yes and no.
There is a build of the mod available up the point where it works, but it’s not the best. It can run on B99 but isn’t updated for it, so many steam simulation stuff is broken for certain wheel arrangements

Lubrication on duplexes is gone and engines with smaller wheels run out of steam too quickly

And the rear axel on the 2 axel leading bogey has a mild case of “get me the hell off this track-itis”

[wanton lake]

automatic lubrication is broken on all arrangements

[golden cipher]

But as long as you have large wheels and don’t run a duplex, you should be aight

[wanton lake]

along with exhaust draft

[golden cipher]

Ohhh

[wanton lake]

manual still works

[floral valley]

lmao

[dense palm]

Yeah I was running a high speed berk and I couldn't make it ever lose steam even with no draft

[hollow mason]

Personally i've never been able to use steam no matter what config i use, and i have to manually use the lubrication, if i can find the handle 😭

[hollow mason]

As far as the "lift Axle" goes on the front truck, it seems to happen whenever i swap to a x-4-x arrangement, then swapping back to the other configs (if anyone can replicate to confirm), Reloading the save resets it.

[tender root]

Thanks for figuring this out, this is helpful

[hollow mason]

Of course! The mod is very fun ^^
I've also been hauling very heavy trains with the Duplex, the rear set of drive wheels seem to slip often because its somehow maintaining a max pressure sometimes in the cylinders (i think??), which i noticed due the train wanting to move even with breaks on after i bleed the pressure, or maybe its always wanting to be at max throttle 😅

[short void]

Even before, the Duplex was always very slippery

[hollow mason]

Ah i see, we'll i'm pretty new to both the game and the mod, I'm simply trying to speculate the cause

[short void]

If that’s the case, are you sure it’s the brakes squealing? Or is it your piston rods not be lubricated?

[quiet wave]

If the duplex is not using steam properly, it's probably stuck with a filled steam chest, always applying power regardless of throttle

[hollow mason]

That is my thought as well

[quiet wave]

have you looked at the steam chest gauge when that happens?

does that gauge ever drop when a duplex is loaded?

[hollow mason]

The gauge doesnt seem to reflect it, no

[quiet wave]

oh so it does drop to 0 still?

[hollow mason]

well while breaks are on and at a standstill (zero throttle and neutral cutoff) it stays at zero, but when i move the cutoff foward, the loco immediately wants to push foward, it leads me to believe there is still steam in the second set

[short void]

now that's a theory

[hollow mason]

It would make sense the gauge doesnt reflect it, since its a second set of drive wheels, a second gauge would make sense

[quiet wave]

a steam theory, aand cut

[opaque flax]

my game just dosent load with it

[wanton lake]

sorta makes sense

doubling the torque output without really doing anything about the contact area

[opaque flax]

or takes longer than 30 min

i dont wait more than 30

[dense palm]

Yep I had the same

[dense palm]

Do you have the beta lms

It makes it a lot better

It's the 2nd file with the wheel arrangement file

[void plaza]

Even though there are (what are essentially) "Test" builds available for this mod, i think i'll wait until it officially updates on Nexus so that i don't worry about potentially breaking my save.

[torpid apex]

i had to start a new save since it bricked my S282 lmao

[dense palm]

If you're talking about the demonstrator one have you tried clearing it and respawning it

[torpid apex]

Yeah, and it reset the loco progress completely

[dense palm]

Wtf

Weird

[torpid apex]

Wiped the paint on it back to dvrt worn and the loco was broken

Would also no longer respawn in ny eoundhouse

[dense palm]

@tender root more problems lol

[tender root]

Weird. I can understand if it reset the paint, but making the loco broken again is strange

[torpid apex]

what's wackier I could clear it and respawn it there, but it would always respawn broken

[ancient spindle]

Where can I get one of these test builds?

[viral veldt]

Here

[viral veldt]

And this Re arranged

@ancient spindle

[ancient spindle]

Thank you!

[lavish nacelle]

Loco not using any steam and not making any draft, is that intended ?
Power is not any higher than default S282 on the 4-4-4-4

4-4-0 is about 25, 33% lower power than 2-8-2

[dense palm]

It's broke and it's known

[wanton lake]

automatic lubrication is also broken

[dense palm]

Yeah

Whole mod is cooked rn

[swift island]

So uh.. how's the mod going? Is it just cooked?

[tender root]

Been burnt out on it for a while. Was thinking about getting it working again when the next game update releases

[swift island]

Oh dang, hope you're getting better pal

[quiet wave]

Good to know that you're taking a break. I was waiting on this mod before getting into B99

[torpid apex]

Not gonna sugarcoat it: Take as long as you need. If other people are hounding you, then ignore them and focus on your health.

If they start threatening you then simply blow them up.

[dense palm]

Send an s 282 with no safety valves and a very large fire directly towards them at a high rate of speed

[torpid apex]

Or just..call in a contact to do some underground things (: iykyk

So what you're saying is- I'm not gonna finish that sentence to refer to a certain thing. AHEM anyway, Lets go build some pipebombs for Satiric to throw at the haters, I'll help.

[torpid apex]

MODS DO NOT KILL ME THIS IS ONLY A LIGHTHEARTED JEST, DO NOT BLOW ME UP FOR THIS

[dense palm]

Too late

Your cooked

There's 5 ICBM's heading towards your location

[torpid apex]

Nah I'm in my bunker bro

I'm good trust

[dense palm]

What ever you say

[languid badge]

Unfortunately, Agent 47 just got cleared to move in as soon as the all of the ICBMs have gone off, and he was told that this mission is “Stealth optional”

[wanton lake]

stealth is optional?

alright, loads all they fear is you on Spotify

[torpid apex]

Hmm yes today is good day to play Derail Valley with Rearranged S282

Satiric is still on break. This is how things are.

[dense palm]

Have fun with them bugs

[torpid apex]

Nah I can't, I wish I could though

[chrome vortex]

Fun fact, agent 47 and

A MAN HAS FALLEN IN THE RIVER IN LEGO CITY

are the same guy

[torpid apex]

Welp, Satiric is gonna be pulling his hair out.

Lovomesh splitter mod is borked

[ornate spindle]

The king needs his break.

[torpid apex]

His break is still going.

[ornate spindle]

I know?

[torpid apex]

It has not stopped yet. He will return when he chooses.

[ornate spindle]

Correct.

[dense palm]

Not again😭 😭 😭 that poor man

[hasty patrol]

Mesh Splitter: I guess you wonder where I've been.

[tender root]

LMS was easy to update and will probably be released soon. Rearranged will take a bit more time, altfuture made a bunch of stuff readonly that I had been editing so I'll have to find ways around that

and I gotta figure out the new wheelslip system

And I'll also be busy playing oblivion remastered lol

[torpid apex]

GAMESHARE

New wheelslip system?

Nani?

[sly hawk]

yeah from what ik they made wheelslip on the s282 not as bad

[torpid apex]

GUH

MEANS I CAN LEAVE AT FULL THROTTLE NOW AND NOT DEAL WITH BS YIPPEEEEEEE

[ruby star]

New wheelslip? Was this in 99 or 99.4? Havent tried the 282 in 99.4

[torpid apex]

99.4 yeah

[sharp plover]

as someone who uses the S282, you can easily get away with full throttle

hell i've gotten steam chest pressure to like 14 and still haven't slipped

[quiet wave]

I've managed to slip it with 3900Tons stalled on the grade to CP. Full sand on dry rail. It didn't slip at 14 bar, but started to slip at 14,5 with the safety popping

That was in B99.3, the changelog says that adhesion was improved by 20%.
So I'd assume it means that now it's actually impossible to slip with full sand on dry rail

Cause to do that you'd need more pressure that the safety will allow

[wanton lake]

i wonder if they increased traction or decreased torque

[quiet wave]

The way they said it in the changelog suggests that they increased traction by shifting more of the weight to the drivers

If thats the case then maybe 4000T up a grade is possible

[sharp plover]

Maybe? I mean, the slipping on start and with heavy loads has improved it significantly. Previously, you could barely leave the slope outside of CME with a proper tonnage of like 800 in dry conditions. Currently, I've been able to get away with 1200, on flat rails, testing is needed for my input.

[hollow mason]

idk how you people do it, i seem to never have enough power going up a 2-2.5 grade with like 2000 tons 😭

i always end up slippin

[torpid apex]

I'm talking with a fully loaded 1k+ ton train from Harbor or a coal mine.

[sharp plover]

Disregard the safety valve at this point 😭
I've ended up pulling 1200 tons and still making pressure while accelerating under full throttle and gaining water in the boiler. The safety valve at this point is just saying "hey you're making too much pressure try and chill out...please?"

[torpid apex]

So there is a buffer for heavy loads with the 282.

[sharp plover]

I've taken 1200 tons out of CME, it all depends if you have a good running start or not.

[torpid apex]

200 ton buffer give or take. That buffer is ignored with the rearranged mod and the loco is respecced in singleplayer to whatever setup you want. Could be a mountain type, a northern type or even a pacific if you wanted.

[sharp plover]

It def feels like the S282 is about 200 tons stronger? Roughly?~ It sometimes struggles with the loads, but for what it's worth, i haven't experience Wheelslip in dry conditions trying to get moving.

[quiet wave]

It still would be nice to prevent the safety from popping, cause it wastes coal and water when it happens.
When the boiler goes above 14 bar, I douse it with the injector, to avoid wasting excess steam.
I would probably need to inject water at some point, so doing it when the safety is close to popping serves dual purpose.
Next issue is what to do when the glass gets full, and the boiler is still building excess pressure. At that point i just close the damper and starve the fire by not supplying coal.

[quiet wave]

With the S282, momentum is everything. It will struggle to start 1300T from a standstill on a grade. But it will happily maintain 30Kph going up that same grade with 2000T.

[dense palm]

Yeah that's dry rail when ever it railed that thing was slippery af

[sharp plover]

Yeah that's what I do, best to keep it around 12-13.5 bar imo.

[quiet wave]

And if you're prepared to bleed momentum it can take 4000T on that grade. But you'll need to attack it with excess speed and hope that it gets out of the grade before you run out of speed

[sharp plover]

Usually if you can build up enough speed with any engine you can get away with anything

unless you're the dm3 which dies no matter what but like

[quiet wave]

The difference with steamers is that diesel engines can produce full power from a standstill.
A steam engine gets more powerful the faster it's moving, because speed allows it to make more power strokes in a given time.

So having extra momentum to bleed is exponentially more important with a steam engine, because it'll also give it more power as it's climbing

[quiet wave]

Yep, rain can easily ruin an otherwise solid attempt at running up a grade.
I check the weather forecast before accepting jobs, and if i see rain coming i just sleep to get through it.
If you want to run high tonnage, avoid rain like the plague

[sharp plover]

I was pulling 1200 tons to CP from CME using an S282 the moment rain hit (the wye just before CP) my speed immediately dropped and I stalled out

[quiet wave]

from CME have you gone through the north route FF, IMW?

[sharp plover]

I personally don't like heading up that way due to the 2.2% route up from CME, I take the route south, taking the Wye before the harbor to not have to try and surge out from down there.

[arctic lagoon]

@tender root how much of a progres is done for the rearranged 282

[tender root]

A few things broke in B99.4, particularly the code that changes how easy it is to slip for different arrangements. I'm AFK for another week and a half, so it'll probably be a few weeks for an update

Sounds like LMS might have broken with the hotfixes too

[floral valley]

we love to see a straight answer.

[ornate spindle]

I should change the name of this again.

[ashen coyote]

@tender root i think SimKol just beat you to the punch for the S060 Arrangement mod

[tender root]

Lol

[dense palm]

💀

Why is discord making voice notes in my pocket again😭

[torpid apex]

Ssssssssoooooooooo

how things going?

@tender root LMS update dropped, but what next?

[ornate spindle]

I am going to change the name of this place again.

[floral valley]

the idea that has become a place where we pester satiric

[ornate spindle]

Forms of wheel arrangments for the Steam Hydraulic 2-8-2 an idea suggested that infact became a mod.

Close enough.

[tender root]

The h stood for heavy. Steam isn't hydraulic

[wanton lake]

it's funny how different steamers are handled compared to everything else

yet the names still fit

instead of being
Power Source-Drivetrain-powered axles

it's
Steam - Whyte notation

the S282 would technically be a CM4 (Coal Mechanical 4 axle)

since coal is burnt to create energy and it's mechanically transmitted to 4 driving axles

[midnight cedar]

Shouldn't it technically be CP4? I'd argue that the movement is coming from the pneumatic piston system rather than the burning of the coal itself

[wanton lake]

it's still a mechanical drivetrain

[dense palm]

Idk about that

[solid skiff]

there is something unnatural about using a '4' to describe a '8' wheel arrangement

[wanton lake]

4 driven axles

not 4 drivel wheels

[shell hill]

Steam is just single gear DM, change my mind

[halcyon sonnet]

It's a CVT DM - the cutoff is the gearing 😛

[shell hill]

Nah it can't be CVT, it's direct drive from the crank. I'd say VVT(variable valve timing)

[halcyon sonnet]

works for me

either way Steam is the hotrod of the valley 🙂

[opaque flax]

thares only one file

[wanton lake]

it's not published

[opaque flax]

oh

[dense palm]

#1129933975406784552 message

[floral valley]

no it would be steam mechanical

the power source is the steam, not the combustion directly.

[viral veldt]

Keep in mind with build 99.4 its outdated and doesn't work

[torpid apex]

Currently it doesn't anyway

[languid badge]

Any timeline on when it will be updated for B99.4?

[ornate spindle]

Now I gotta change the name again.

Rearranged SH282, an idea that became a mod, that we pester satiric for. occasionally

[ornate spindle]

I did it.

[opaque flax]

LOL

[short void]

And pester we will

I want my northern back

And my Berkshire

[halcyon sonnet]

maybe we should just pester Altfutre to make it vanilla...

[torpid apex]

REAL

But hey I have no internet so my game is still in 99.3 (:

Meaning I can still use mine

[opaque flax]

@tender root look at the name

[ornate spindle]

I still do too

[floral valley]

I DIDNT SAY WE SHOULD PESTER HIM!

[opaque flax]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-giggle-anime-gif-2624891746917229287

[ornate spindle]

Not saying we should pester a person with a life, but you didn’t say we can’t.

[opaque flax]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fact-gif-2532909080399976639

[torpid apex]

Maybe we'll get the mod suggestion I made (:

Would need CCL but we know how that's coming along.

[short void]

And you added another week….

Nvm your about me just knocked me right back to reality

[wanton lake]

imagine if you could choose the wheel arrangement when ordering the parts

[torpid apex]

You want to know what that line is from?

Starcraft II

[torpid apex]

Why can't we search threads or suggestion forums?

[dense palm]

Very good idea

[tender root]

Well you can search the whole channel. I agree it's annoying

[torpid apex]

I was looking for this last night since I ran into something interesting

The mountain type wasn't able to haul 1238 tons of scrap metal from harbor to steel mill with a 45kmh run up from the yard.

[torpid apex]

Keep in mind this is still 99.3

So don't get your hopes up people lol

[tender root]

Tonnage is just based on tractive effort, and not adhesion. It also may have been out of date for 99.3, I can't remember

[torpid apex]

Hell it stalled going up the mountains to SM

Okay

[torpid apex]

This was posted back in 99.3 from you, had to go searching for it lol

You posted it in #mods-discussion I believe

[tender root]

It's always been a little off

can't be bothered to do empirical testing for all the arrangements

[torpid apex]

Fair enough lol

[wanton lake]

Jahy moment

[torpid apex]

?

[shadow raft]

Server tag does not check out.

[torpid apex]

Whuh

[arctic lagoon]

This Is from hilzu official discord

[viral veldt]

Startic, with these bug fixes how far back are you on progress?

[opaque flax]

@tender root

[wanton lake]

last i saw, they weren't working on it

[tender root]

that's news to me

[wanton lake]

guess i was wrong

[tender root]

Copying the sounds for the duplex got a lot more annoying

[shadow raft]

Wait did the sounds change?

[tender root]

By the time I try to copy the sounds, they have ConvertToEntity already instantiated. On previous versions of DV, that was fine, and just caused a bunch of log spam. But recently they changed from Unity's ConvertToEntity to their own DVConvertToEntity, and that just throws an error. (something doesn't like that they've already been instantiated.) So now I have to manually create all the sound GOs instead of just copying them all

[shadow raft]

oof

Would changing the prefab then keeping them disabled/volume 0 work?

[tender root]

you know, I've never figured out how to change the prefab lol

I've gotten this far by just changing stuff after it's instantiated

[shadow raft]

It's a bit rough, because it doesn't let you instantiate new transforms or move them while a "prefab".

But you can instantiate a copy under a disabled GO, do whatever changes, and set that in the prefab reference.

That's how CC/CC/CCL is doing it.

I'm not replacing any of the original game ones, but the stuff loaded from asset bundles.

[tender root]

Yeah I think I just need to copy sounds, not alter the existing ones

Well that would work, although it's some annoying architecture changes

[shadow raft]

If you just need to copy, the you can probably just use the original prefab instead of the instantiated one.

[tender root]

so can I add GO's to a prefab directly?

without instantiating it of course

well it's a problem for Future Satiric, right now I'm dealing with the fact that Visual Studio and the compiler disagree over whether ARefreshableChildrenController.entries is a list or an array

[shadow raft]

Ah that issue.

Delete the .vs cache folder.

It'll realise it's an array.

[tender root]

heck yeah, thanks

I figured it was caching stuff somewhere but I didn't know where and hadn't started looking it up yet

[shadow raft]

You can't add to the prefab, that counts as instantiating a transform (you can add components tho).

After a copy is spawned in (so it can be used) it's no longer a prefab.

The audio you can hear never comes from the prefab, only the copy, so you can do whatever.

[torpid apex]

How goes it here then? Any progress with figuring out things?

[still spoke]

He probably would’ve told us if he had

[languid badge]

Hell yeah, update for Loco mesh splitter!

[chrome vortex]

probably for the last time in at least a year

[shell hill]

But I need the split mesh colliders😟

[hardy ridge]

Rearranged S282 is working?

[floral valley]

donn't think so

[viral veldt]

Not right now

[hardy ridge]

😭

[torpid apex]

nah, the devs locked two files that Satiric needed that he was messing with to get rearranged S282 working aside from LMS

probably won't get the mod back ever, not without making another mod that re-injects those older versions of those files with certain edits..

wait a minute

may have just figured it out

[shadow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-15121564

[torpid apex]

Think about it Wiz.

If we can get the files from an older build of the game and find what the edits that were done(if any) then we can make a mod that just reinjects them into the core game files for the locos to work.

It might work.

I don't have my game in 99.3 anymore since it was forced to update(thanks steam for disregarding what I told it to do) but there has to be someone out there still with it in 99.3 or so

or if we can get a download archive of it or something somehow

[shadow raft]

That's not how any of this works.

[torpid apex]

meh fair enough

it was an idea

[tender root]

Well the main problem is that the wheelslip code has completely changed and is really annoying to work with now. The sounds are also much more annoying to copy due to some revamping of the sound system, so that makes the duplex sounds annoying to get working.

There were some variables that were made read-only (I can edit private variables, but not read-only ones), that's probably what you're thinking of. I think that has gotten a bit annoying in a few places, but I don't remember where

[languid badge]

single tear

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

[dense palm]

A lot more then 1😭

[opaque flax]

😭

[quick tinsel]

you should be able to edit read-only variables via reflection or by directly writing to memory via unsafe blocks tho

[tender root]

hmm I like the way you think

[shadow raft]

https://tenor.com/view/polowski-cop-police-las-rp-finger-wag-gif-16071546

[shell hill]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[astral nebula]

this needs a 4-8-8-4 variant, just stretch the boiler

[tender root]

Kinda hard to make it look good unfortunately

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/but-umm-ok-bye-gif-18584851

[tender root]

Stretching the boiler also stretches the smokebox

[short void]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-gross-confused-gif-10677745

[torpid apex]

Hmmm..

[dense palm]

Ah man

I mean the big boy does have a huge smoke box tho

So close ishhh

[short void]

WoUlDn’T fIt oN lOaDiNg gAuGe aNyWaY

[midnight cedar]

0-2-0 when?

[astral nebula]

power is power

[astral nebula]

We need a 4-14-4

It's giving

[rich steeple]

Driver size for the 282 as a 4-14-4 would be like...15 lol

[fallen bane]

I present

[hasty patrol]

Never thought I'd see a ROBLOX NXT styled loco in a DV mod suggestion thread.

[fallen bane]

Well now you did

[languid badge]

Counter: we need 4-14-14-4

[torpid apex]

Not possible.

[languid badge]

…

It’s a joke

[torpid apex]

I am aware.

[languid badge]

I know it’s not feasible

[misty anchor]

segway

[viral veldt]

Hey Startic, don't mean to rush you! How's the mod coming?

Or did the recent patch screw up the mod more?

[gloomy helm]

counter: we need 6-18-6

[lucid aspen]

[silver prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/matt-ross-emergancy-frog-situation-frogs-frog-emergency-gif-8616018489929486310

[regal tendon]

😐

[torpid apex]

I RESURRECT THIS CHANNEL

@tender root I summon you after all this time. How fare things?

not for this mod, but also in general.

[tender root]

haven't worked on this in a bit. With CCL around now I figure it won't be as needed

[torpid apex]

it still might be good to keep as a thing, since importing fresh locos for this may be harder than people might think.

plus, I figure CCL will only be around again for so long.

[short void]

I miss my northern steam heavy

[misty anchor]

maybe but the next update isnt happening until the end of 2026 Maybe

[short void]

Or even later

[misty anchor]

yes

[patent parcel]

honestly itd be great to still have around. having custom locos and rollingstock again will be awesome but being able to make the 282 more versatile like rearanged did will always have a special place.

👀 i highkey miss running duplexs with rearanged lol, was fun as hell

[torpid apex]

I also highkey miss doing Coal Drags with a mountain type tbh.

that shit slapped.

[swift island]

Duplex 282 is no more now?

[torpid apex]

Rearanged S282 perished with 99.4

[swift island]

Truly an aw shucks moment

[rich steeple]

i mean.....it kinda workds but it is alittle buggy

[molten depot]

but also rearranged 282 was so fun :_)

[tender root]

it is not very fun to update unfortunately