#The zigbee2M is my MQTT integration?

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rough helm
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Yeah, wherever you have your zigbee devices connected.

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Do you have Zigbee2MQTT setup already?

flint summit
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it connects to your mqtt integration
and requires a hardware coordinator

urban olive
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thanks!

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So is it possible I dont have a zigbee hardware coordinator?

rough helm
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It's one of those things you'd know. How are you running HA?

urban olive
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On a dell wyze 3070

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on bare metal

rough helm
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lmao... so the best way. 😉

urban olive
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no virtual machine

rough helm
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Wait... you're running Core?! Or in docker?

urban olive
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how can I check?

rough helm
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Do you have to use hass to run it from the CLI?

urban olive
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I tried setting it up 2 years ago, failed at a coupel steps, then picked it back up a year ago and got it working...kinda blurry

rough helm
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Or do you do something like docker

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Bunch of CLI commands when you set it up?

urban olive
flint summit
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or it could be haos on the bare metal

rough helm
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Holy crap... lol

flint summit
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oh

rough helm
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Ok, that's fine. If it works, it works.

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Wait.

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No.

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Go to Settings > About and show me what it looks like.

flint summit
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does it ever have OS or Supervisor updates?

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yeah

rough helm
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That's not core. That's just a Core update.

urban olive
flint summit
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good news!

rough helm
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There we go... you're running HAOS.

urban olive
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Haha did I mess something up initially?

rough helm
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Nope. This is preferred.

urban olive
rough helm
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Ok, now... Do you have any USB devices on it? Sticks or anything like that?

urban olive
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I didnt want to mess with VMs or Dockers I guess, sounded like an extra level of something to mess up.

rough helm
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lol that's fair.

urban olive
rough helm
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Ok. So, bad news is, you don't have a Zigbee coordinator. Good news is that you can buy one 🙂

urban olive
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scratych that the 2 usb are power from a wall outlet, only the aqara e1 hub is present in the HA machine

flint summit
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inexpensively too

urban olive
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Any good recommendations?

flint summit
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what part of the world are you in?

urban olive
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so how are all of my devices working? Over wifi?

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yuck

rough helm
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BUT, and there's always a but... You're going to want to get a Zigbee coordinator and also a router. Since you said 4th of July, I'm guessing you're US?

flint summit
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also a router?

urban olive
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Well I will be in the market for a new router, currently leasing from internet provider for $22 USD/month which is wild

rough helm
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LOL, kinda over WiFi. Your Aqara devices are connected the E1 hub using Zigbee and that's connecting to Homekit via WiFi (or ethernet if it's plugged in).

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No... Not a "router"... a Zigbee router device.

urban olive
flint summit
rough helm
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Ugh... Tom, do I really need to explain that to you?!

urban olive
flint summit
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i mostly wonder why he needs one separate from the coordinator

rough helm
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Because Aqara devices don't like to connect directly connect to the coordinator.

flint summit
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huh

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I have had zero problem doing just that

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i believe you

rough helm
flint summit
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good idea

urban olive
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Aqara connects to Homekit and homekit connects via matter to HA right? but not all entities make it? Is that why I lose most of my cool capabilities?

rough helm
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@flint summit Your Aqara devices are connected directly to your coordinator and stay connected? That's rare.

urban olive
rough helm
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Homekit uses Thread.

urban olive
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Which I see now are wifi and not zigbee...

rough helm
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If you have thread devices, but the Aqara hub (except for the new M3 (I think)) uses WiFi to connect to HomeKit.

flint summit
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hmmmmmmmm, I thought they did, but now I see that I haven't actually set up any of my aqara devices since I swapped over from zha

rough helm
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The 3R plugs are SUPER solid and behave really well with Aqara zigbee devices.

urban olive
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Ok ordered.

flint summit
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i have liked every 3R device I've used.

urban olive
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My partner is going to roll her eyes so hard when she sees me open those boxes.

flint summit
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their leak sensors are able to stand up to getting wet.

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which is not something I can say about aqara, for example

urban olive
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Oh good Ill need a leak sensor, I Made a self watering resevoir for my plant with a little aquarium pump and some drip tubing

rough helm
urban olive
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When these dongle and plugs arrive, will it be difficult to swap my lights to zigbee?

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What else will I need integration-wise?

rough helm
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Difficult? Not really. Just may be time consuming for a bit.

flint summit
urban olive
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ok so I have mosquitto broker

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but I will need zigbee2MQTT

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might as well download that now

rough helm
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Correct. But ONLY after you have your coordinator and you get the firmware updated.

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Patience. Don't jump the gun yet 🙂

urban olive
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ok ok fair enough

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well thank you both for the help

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You are both legends

flint summit
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you had a way less dumb question than most people so far today

rough helm
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No problem. Feel free to ping me in #zigbee-archived when your stuff comes in and we'll get you setup.

urban olive
rough helm
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And remind me to throw a router at Tom 😉 lmao

flint summit
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🙂

flint summit
kindred frigate
rough helm
kindred frigate
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Joined directly to the zigbee network, via either coord or whatever node they preffered when joined.

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Long time ago, this.

rough helm
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Right. The point is that they aren't joined directly to the coordinator. They would be joined to a routing device and that would be joined to the coordinator. Very few end devices will join (and stay joined) to the coordinator and especially the Aqara devices.

kindred frigate
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I don't bind devices - never had the need to

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So yeah, the sockets will pickup the edge devices, and coord will only be connected to the sockets

rough helm
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Yup. Exactly.

kindred frigate
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This is all automatically, the zigbee mesh logic does this behind the scenes, nothing for you to actually do.

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(for OP's sake)

rough helm
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That's kinda true. While letting the mesh decide can work, with certain end devices, that's not always the case and usually not recommended. Certain end devices will bind to a router and stay connected to it forever. If that router drops for any reason, the end device won't update it's route and will drop from the mesh as well.

kindred frigate
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the TuYa warning 🙂

rough helm
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Not so much Tuya (but Tuya sucks for sure), but Aqara non-Zigbee3.0 devices (which are the most common) and SmartThings and Sonoffs.

kindred frigate
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and or Philips hue

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Always a struggle, especially if you have a mixed bag of devices already, before you start the HA / z2m / zha adventure

rough helm
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So, in your map, you have a lot of devices with no route. Compared to mine, I only have 3 devices with no route (all 3 of them are dead batteries lol). https://imgur.com/a/hJTt1Ie

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Hue? Hue devices are the most stable ones by far.

kindred frigate
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It was in relation to preferring and sticking to a certain node

rough helm
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Right. All of mine are paird to their closest routers.

kindred frigate
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Yeah, not sure about those - they work allright

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Except one, which dropped they day before - didn't get around to resetting yet.

rough helm
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Surprising you had a Hue drop. I can't tell you the last time I had a Hue device drop from my mesh. 🤔

kindred frigate
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No no, not Hue

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just an Aqara switch 🙈

rough helm
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Ahhhhhh... ok, that doesn't surprise me at all then. lol

kindred frigate
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There was a power blip

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I sorted the single light / single rocker ones with a condensator

rough helm
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I have one Aqara switch that I have to replace that dropped... yup, same reason, power went out for a few minutes over the weekend and it didn't like it.

kindred frigate
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They still relay

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Just can't command them via zigbee

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It can still be used as a dumb switch

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Just have to drop the breaker and re-add it

rough helm
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I've seen people in other countries having to do that on 220v lines. I've never heard of anyone having to do it on 110v lines though.

kindred frigate
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It's been working for ... 7 months?

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plenty other power drops

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I guess they're a bit sensitive

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But not overly

rough helm
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Yeah, my Aqara switches are bitchy when it comes to power blips where the router they are connected to doesn't come backk before they do.

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That's why I re-paired them to 3R plugs. Ever since I did that (except for this one I have to replace), none of them have ever dropped.

kindred frigate
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You've given me food for thought with the map

rough helm
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Yay and I'm sorry. 🤣

kindred frigate
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I had probably joined those near the coord, then installed in place

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(I know, I know)

rough helm
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Yup. Most likely.

kindred frigate
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I've re-added a "floater" contact sensor in place (it's glued to the window, duh), and it still won't have a line to routers (2 sockets on the same floor, ~7 meters and a wall)

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I'll leave it be, automations connected to it work properly.

rough helm
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Huh, and you paired it directly to one of the routers? 🤔 But, yeah, if it works, it works.

kindred frigate
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I used permit all

rough helm
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Oh, that's why.

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Join to a particular router. Not permit all.

kindred frigate
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all with lines now