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humble mirage
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There may be a CUPS add-on, no idea

crude niche
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intel duo core 2gb ddr3

unborn pulsar
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I'm looking to begin my Home Assistant journey. I am having difficulties with deciding between a Raspberry Pi 4 4GB + SSD or a used NUC.
The issue is that Raspberry Pi4 4GB are insanely expensive in Sweden at the moment (~110 usd for the Pi alone) which makes the difference between a PI and NUC small.

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What would you guys recommend?

quaint bolt
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used nuc.

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or a refurbed SFF of some sort.

humble mirage
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Or second hand PC/laptop from the last decade

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Laptops with a busted screen are often dirt cheap, and low power

unborn pulsar
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The only perk of buying a Pi would be warranty and support. But otherwise it feels strange buying one.
SFF / NUC seems better than PC/Laptop becuase of the power & size no? I might be upgrading my current computer and could use those parts but it will be overkill as fk (i7 8700k)

unborn pulsar
quaint bolt
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'anything in the last decade' 😉 you might want to look at the TDPs for comparison

final socket
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what exactly are you trying to do here? Run HA on a laptop that you're using for normal laptop things, or are you going to be using the laptop as a server?

iron marten
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Anyone using homekit via docker? I cant seem to access it remotely despite my HA instance available externally

empty bloom
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Have you read the documentation for homekit bridge?

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@iron marten ^

iron marten
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I have it setup and working when I'm on my wifi

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but it does not work when I'm on cellular @empty bloom

empty bloom
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it only works locally

iron marten
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Surely not?!

empty bloom
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surely so

iron marten
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My HA is exposed

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I thought the HK instance would be also

empty bloom
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doesn't matter

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it only works locally

iron marten
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I thought the homekit bridge was a replacement for a local device such as the homepod

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I've got echo's throughout my house so I'm a little rooked there it seems

empty bloom
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AFAIK, homekit bridge does not work remotely

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using alexa requires Alexa Smart Home Skill or Nabu Casa

iron marten
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I guess I just sack homekit entirely; disappointed in there being no HSV support in HA anyway

empty bloom
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You can use a VPN but that won't work with echos

low notch
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Only apple tvs and homepods are homekit remote bridges

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Ha can‘t replace that functionality

iron marten
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thanks anyway folks; i didnt see it explicitly stated in docs that this was a local only solution without using some apple hardware

empty bloom
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That's what I thought, i wasn't 100% sure though

iron marten
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Wonder if an emulated ipad would work

low notch
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The devices offered by the homekit bridge in ha work well remote, you just need a atv or homepod

empty bloom
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anyways, setup ASHS and you wont' have to worry about alexa again

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or buy nabu casa

iron marten
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ASHS?

empty bloom
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Alexa Smart Home Skill

iron marten
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Oh, I have done that already

empty bloom
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Then what's the problem?

iron marten
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I liked using the apple home ui on my phone

empty bloom
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oh

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vpn

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super simple to set up

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you can do zerotier

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I have it set up for my cameras

low notch
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Vpn won‘t do L2 on ios

empty bloom
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it just works in the background without me caring

iron marten
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You need to be on vpn for camera?

low notch
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You need mdns for homekit remote

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Homepod or atv. Is. The. Only. Way.

empty bloom
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The only potential "gotcha" is if you can't set up zerotier on your HA instance

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but zerotier makes your iphone think you're on a local network with other devices that have zerotier

low notch
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Ah, thats mdns reflection then

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That could work yeah

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Flaky, at best I would say

empty bloom
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it's a 'vpn' cloud network, it's really odd

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it works well for me

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the problem is that you have to install Zerotier software on all devices that will be on that network

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so, if you can't install zerotier on the device, you can't use zerotier for that device

iron marten
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Using cloudflared via docker currently to expose everything, ZeroTier doesnt interest me by the sounds of it, thanks though

empty bloom
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Suit yourself, but it would give you what you want

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I'm patiently waiting for someone to make an HA addon because I'm too lazy to do it myself.

iron marten
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I get that, but I'd probably sooner buy a homepod

empty bloom
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well look at that

iron marten
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hmm

empty bloom
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yeah, i was able to set it up and I had no idea what I was doing

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followed some random docs, but I use it for a separate system

iron marten
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I do this sort of thing for work (mainly kubernetes/devops), never bothered with a homelab until I decided to go all smart-home!

empty bloom
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I know enough to screw everything up and then fix it later

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but, I don't know much without docs

iron marten
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that's all you need

mystic brook
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I'm running HA in a docker container, and was just testing a new container (fresh install). Container boots, but this is all I see in the logs: s6-rc: info: service s6rc-oneshot-runner: starting
s6-rc: info: service s6rc-oneshot-runner successfully started
s6-rc: info: service fix-attrs: starting
s6-rc: info: service fix-attrs successfully started
s6-rc: info: service legacy-cont-init: starting
s6-rc: info: service legacy-cont-init successfully started
s6-rc: info: service legacy-services: starting
services-up: info: copying legacy longrun home-assistant (no readiness notification)
s6-rc: info: service legacy-services successfully started

Is there something obvious I'm missing?

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(It all worked previously, but I had an issue so I'm seeing what happens if I start from scratch)

scenic nymph
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Hi everyone!
Is there any way to see how a restore is progressing except for "supervisor logs"?
The last line in log have been "Restoring xxx Home Assistant Core" for about three hours now.

mystic brook
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I've been running HA for a few years now, so this time I didn't run a guide, just started the container the same way I always have, this time I just changed the config path

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That being said, I could easily have messed something up

scenic nymph
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Ah, I'm not a container user myself but just wanted to make sure you have not started at the wrong end

mystic brook
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I apprecaite it

raven forge
mystic brook
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I'm running it on unraid, so there's no run command or compose file, and I seem unable to paste images on this server, but I'm happy to provide any helpful information as best I can

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I'll recreate the container to see if I can grab the specific command unraid is using

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"root@localhost:# /usr/local/emhttp/plugins/dynamix.docker.manager/scripts/docker run -d --name='Home-Assistant-Container' --net='bridge' --privileged=true -e TZ="America/Los_Angeles" -e HOST_OS="Unraid" -v '/mnt/user/Stoa/odin/Workspace/homeAutomationRestore/':'/config':'rw' 'homeassistant/home-assistant' "

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oh, that's the wrong config file, but the idea should be the same

humble scaffoldBOT
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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

mystic brook
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Alas, since imgur blocks VPNs that's a no go, does someone have a different suggestion?

raven forge
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Use an image share site of your choice 🤷

mystic brook
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Kk, I wasn't sure if there were any good suggestions people have before heading to Google, but the command has already been pasted, so I guess that's unneeded for now

scenic nymph
frank perch
scenic nymph
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Yes, I realized that 🙂 I changed from RPi3b to RPi4. Worth the change though!

frank perch
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Well when you change from rpi4 to NUC or PC you'll say the same thing again 🤪

scenic nymph
frank perch
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I ran on a pi from version 0.66ish all the way to 6.0 when my PI stopped being supported

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And when I swapped onto real hardware I wanted to self flagilate

crude inlet
scenic nymph
frank perch
frank perch
tender wren
winter wigeon
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If I want to modify the integration in core, how do I put the modified code into the os after the modification

dense token
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Im getting my HA setup, and i use ESPhome as a bridge to connect my inkbird BLE sensors to MQTT, and its detected my bridge and ive set it to the living room, cause thats where it is, but its bridges sensors from multiple rooms, but when i want to set a sensor to a room it wants to reassign the whole bridge. any instruction on how i should do it?

fallen lichen
winter wigeon
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Ok, let me try

versed vapor
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i suppose to run ha in a high availability configuration youd have to use them docker ones with external dbs or is there any chance this would work with haos aswell

tender wren
versed vapor
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I see thank you

neon chasm
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I adore the project name

jovial ermine
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Hi Everyone im new to home assistant. I have installed on a mac mini but keep getting an error in the logs Logger: homeassistant.setup
Source: setup.py:207
First occurred: 11:18:19 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 11:18:19

Unable to set up dependencies of default_config. Setup failed for dependencies: assist_pipeline, cloud, mobile_app

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Also i am missing some sections in the setting on the UI

fallen lichen
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Sounds like there's probably more to the log than just that to explain the failed setups

jovial ermine
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Do you think it’s best to do a fresh install

humble mirage
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Check the log file

plush quartz
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hi all. how do I add Telnet to control xiaomi gateway 3?

humble mirage
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What do you mean?

plush quartz
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Open telnet with gateway button clicks. Only useful if your gateway was previously connected to the integration Xiaomi Gateway 3. Because otherwise there will be a password on the telnet. There is no known way to get this password.

humble mirage
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Have you tried telnet from the SSH add-on?

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If not, have you tried installing it on your desktop/laptop

plush quartz
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I have the SSH addon

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if I type telnet is shows command not found

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Don't I need the telnet installed on the HA server?

humble mirage
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No

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Or at least, I wouldn't have thought so... nothing there suggests it needs it

plush quartz
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nothing there suggests to connect the xiaomi gateway to a windows pc to run telnet and perform the actions

humble mirage
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Maybe ask the dev of that custom component?

plush quartz
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but is is possible to install telnet on ha?

fallen lichen
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You can install it on the SSH addon by including the busybox-extras package

humble scaffoldBOT
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@vestal canyon I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
rough wren
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ice 'org.bluez': timed out (service_start_timeout=25000ms)
Jul 15 00:51:39 rahman-server hassio_supervisor[3507]: 23-07-15 00:51:39 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'AddonManager.install' blocked from execution, s ystem is not healthy - privileged, docker
Jul 15 00:51:39 rahman-server homeassistant[3507]: 2023-07-15 00:51:39.525 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio] Failed to to call /addons/core_c onfigurator/install - 'AddonManager.install' blocked from execution, system is n ot healthy - privileged, docker
Jul 15 00:51:41 rahman-server hassio_supervisor[3507]: 23-07-15 00:51:41 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.jobs] 'AddonManager.install' blocked from execution, s ystem is not healthy - privileged, docker
Jul 15 00:51:41 rahman-server homeassistant[3507]: 2023-07-15 00:51:41.533 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio] Failed to to call /addons/core_c onfigurator/install - 'AddonManager.install' blocked from execution, system is n ot healthy - privileged, docker

gusty cedar
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Hey there, I'm attempting to install HAOS on my old laptop with proxmox (the laptop doesn't have UEFI). I've been following the below link just fine, except my laptop bios doesn't seem to have any setting to enable "virtualization". Everything went fine until I hit an error while setting up the HA VM:
TASK ERROR: KVM virtualisation configured, but not available. Either disable in VM configuration or enable in BIOS.

Is there anything I can do to get around this?
https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/06/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide.html

frank perch
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did you enable virtualization in the BIOS?

gusty cedar
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There is no option in the BIOS to do so.

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It's really limited. I can change the boot priority order, and that's about it.

copper steppe
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What CPU/platform is the laptop?

gusty cedar
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It's an Acer Aspire 5742. Intel something.

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2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU P6200 @ 2.13GHz

copper steppe
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CPU doesn't support virtualisation

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Select Advanced page.
Enable the Intel VTX and Intel VTD settings. You may need to press the Ctrl + S keys on some models to see these settings.

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But if your chip doesn't support it, there's nothing you can do.

gusty cedar
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Well that would do it. That tab does not exsist in the BIOS settings.

Is there any way I could run a near bare-bones HA OS on my laptop? I'm a newbie, but open to ideas.

copper steppe
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HA doesn't need virtualization, either does docker, so HAOS might work.

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you just can't install proxmox and use a vm

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because the v in vm requires virtualisation

gusty cedar
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That makes a lot of sense.

final socket
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HAOS does require UEFI though.

brittle sail
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Usually uefi bios and vtx/vtd are either all there or none

final socket
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I'd just throw Debian on it and run HA in Docker.

brittle sail
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I vote throw money at the problem

copper steppe
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😛

brittle sail
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It was unrealistic

gusty cedar
copper steppe
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But I agree. Throw away the laptop and buy a $80-150 used sff pc

brittle sail
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Yeah dude then don’t go down that path

gusty cedar
copper steppe
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Don't need a "server"

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and most of the sff machines are something like 10-20W

brittle sail
gusty cedar
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By "server" I mean NUC/PC/etc.

brittle sail
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$80

final socket
copper steppe
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The one shs linked is good - I have two

final socket
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Yeah "refurbished" (you'll get brand new ones maybe 1/3 of the time) SFF PCs are really the way to go for this stuff.

brittle sail
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This seller looks to sell some well used ones lol

copper steppe
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Even not-new, they haven't had a hard life - been in an office, writing word docs and using excel.

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usually come with a windows licence fwiw

gusty cedar
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What's the requirements for a sff? Has UEFI boot? Anything else?

final socket
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Yeah big companies buy literal thousands of them at a time and liquidate and upgrade every few years. They're basically always in decent condition, just watch out for the cheaper listings that are missing things like SSDs or power adapters unless you have one laying around.

gusty cedar
brittle sail
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The specific link/seller I shared hasn’t had any complaints so far

final socket
gusty cedar
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And if I'm going to actually buy a machine instead of using my free laptop, I don't want to end up with a high recurring cost of power consumption. Under 20W, ideally under 10W would be great.

brittle sail
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That’s what these pull

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10 or so iirc

gusty cedar
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That's not bad. I'm assuming the Generic HAOS is pretty low-demand?

brittle sail
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Depends on the addons

final socket
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Yeah unless you start piling on resource intensive add-ons

brittle sail
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Stock it’s like 1-3% on that gen cpu

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2-3 gigs of ram used unless you’re throwing multiple addons at it

gusty cedar
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Okay. Right now I'm surviving on a Pi3, so my addons are pretty light. Eventually I may do some light camera recording/snapshot stuff.

brittle sail
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Frigate can use openvino with igpu built into the cpu on it to do that

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Shit a pi can’t touch

gusty cedar
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Sounds good. I might try a few last things on my laptop, but I won't get my hopes up.

brittle sail
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Your laptop is singing take me home country roads you just can’t hear it

gusty cedar
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Lol, I bet you're right. It's lived a good long life.

placid sage
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Hallo, I have some troubles in configuring WireGuard, I have just installed it. I have a public static id at home. I simply let the configuration as it is, right after the intallation. Then I set up the tunnel using the qrcode. The vpn connects but I cannot ping the server. I already forwarded the port. Weeks ago I installed the wireguard server on a normal raspberry without home assistant and it was running perfectly

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can anybody help me? every tutorial I see uses duckdns, but I do not need it due to the static public ip

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and I don't how what I should change in the Wireguard configuration

tribal cobalt
winged trout
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Reading online I know I’m going to get shit for this question, but who knows there might still be someone with an answer: I run HA in a container on classic piOS. And I run esphome also in a container. Both work fine, but is there a way to have the integration like it is done with the add-on? (Without going to Debian or the full OS).

tender wren
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Do you mean the HA ESPHome device integration, managing (start/stop) ESPHome like an add-on or having it in the sidebar?

versed vapor
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It very likely is just me doing stuff wrong, but does anyone else have the app run into a timeout when connecting to the server? Using the web browser it works without issues but the app trips and then it kinda works

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Could also be that switching to a different proxy does stuff poorly now

karmic sigil
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Does anyone know how I can fix this?

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2023-07-15 11:32:43.252 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Error during setup of component automation
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/automation/init.py", line 262, in async_setup
OSError: [Errno 74] Bad message: '/config/blueprints/automation'
2023-07-15 11:32:59.103 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Unable to set up dependencies of default_config. Setup failed for dependencies: assist_pipeline, automation, cloud, script
2023-07-15 11:32:59.108 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Setup failed for default_config: (DependencyError(...), 'Could not setup dependencies: assist_pipeline, automation, cloud, script')
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/config/automation.py", line 21, in hook
homeassistant.exceptions.ServiceNotFound: Unable to find service automation.reload
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/config/automation.py", line 21, in hook
homeassistant.exceptions.ServiceNotFound: Unable to find service automation.reload
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/config/automation.py", line 21, in hook
homeassistant.exceptions.ServiceNotFound: Unable to find service automation.reload
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/config/automation.py", line 21, in hook
homeassistant.exceptions.ServiceNotFound: Unable to find service automation.reload
OSError: [Errno 74] Bad message: '/config/blueprints/automation'
OSError: [Errno 74] Bad message: '/config/blueprints/automation'

winged trout
winged trout
unborn pulsar
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This is most likely a dumb question but I haven't figured it out myself yet.

Is installing HA on Proxmox the same as installing the HAos? Or do you lose the add-ons etc by using Proxmox?

fallen lichen
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Proxmox is a hypervisor. HA OS would be your operating system. You could install HA OS as a VM (among other VMs) on top of Proxmox, alternatively, you could just install HA OS on the machine itself.

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Add-ons are available regardless of how you install HA OS

tender wren
winged trout
unborn pulsar
fallen lichen
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Both are correct. If you have decent hardware and use Proxmox, you can run other VMs or containers using the same hardware

unborn pulsar
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So should be decent enough

fallen lichen
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For sure, I've got a Gen 6 i3 and it runs plenty more than HAOS

unborn pulsar
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The PI prices are just insane. In Sweden they are more expensive than barely used NUCs.

fallen lichen
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Pis are also much slower 🙃

versed vapor
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someone mentioned pis, time to rant about them

brittle sail
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Straight to jail

versed vapor
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Core2Duo Performance for only 80 bucks

brittle sail
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Bro the gpio tho bro

delicate shuttle
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Hi, purchased blue edition when it was available turn it on first time only now, it says preparing, but logs show it's in loop:

23-07-15 16:00:11 INFO (SyncWorker_5) [supervisor.docker.interface] Updating image homeassistant/odroid-n2-homeassistant:landingpage to homeassistant/odroid-n2-homeassistant:2023.7.2
23-07-15 16:00:11 INFO (SyncWorker_5) [supervisor.docker.interface] Downloading docker image homeassistant/odroid-n2-homeassistant with tag 2023.7.2.
23-07-15 16:00:11 ERROR (SyncWorker_5) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install homeassistant/odroid-n2-homeassistant:2023.7.2 -> 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.40/images/create?tag=2023.7.2&fromImage=homeassistant%2Fodroid-n2-homeassistant: Not Found ("manifest for homeassistant/odroid-n2-homeassistant:2023.7.2 not found: manifest unknown: manifest unknown").
23-07-15 16:00:11 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.core] Error on Home Assistant installation. Retry in 30sec

Please help to break the loop

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Can I ssh to that thing while it in that mode?

high token
willow brook
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what's the relationship between HA and zigbee2mqtt?

i thought that i'll need the latter, and HA will access the devices through MQTT, but it looks like HA can directly set up my zigbee network. is that the preferred way? i.e. there's no need for anything mqtt related?

high token
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You are probably talking about ZHA instead of Z2M

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#zigbee-archived would be the best place for someone to explain the differences. Basically two different ways to do the same thing. But of course there are always differences

errant lava
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pip failing because of python.h is a package issue or something with HA version build?

grand pivot
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Why are you using pip?

errant lava
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life of a noob following a guide from HA site

grand pivot
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You've gone off in the weeds

tender wren
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If you describe, what exactly you are trying to do, someone might be able to help

stable panther
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Trying to install the generic x86-64 on a slim desktop I purchased, but not sure how to go about the actual install. Can I flash it to a USB stick and install that way? Or do I have to install it to a permanent drive in the computer? It only has one drive in it, and I don't want to risk bricking the computer by attempting to flash it to the drive with windows.

brittle sail
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or take the drive out of the slim desktop and put it in an enclosure and install it from your pc with etcher or something

stable panther
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I'll give it a go. The instructions were a little hard for me to follow because of how the secure boot and uefi worked on this computer

brittle sail
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There might be an online video guide

stable panther
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Trying booting from the usb using shift+restart, then I'll look if that doesn't work. Currently sitting on "a start job is running for HAOS swap (45s/no limit)"

errant lava
humble mirage
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Don't use pip, use Docker

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Or if you must, use pyenv to build a Python venv on 3.11.4

errant lava
humble mirage
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You need a suitably built Python for that to work

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(I must update that for the Python 3.10 deprecation)

errant lava
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your point of
Unless you’re running local other software directly from the venv, consider switching to Docker. It’ll save you from ever needing to upgrade Python and rebuild the venv again.
makes sense. With HA going to be the only thing I needed in venv, I should probably switch

humble mirage
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It does make life easier

winged kraken
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Hello, my HA docker/raspberrypi4 was stuck on 2023.6.3 for a while.

When I noticed the stalled version, I stopped, backed-up, removed and pulled stable (as I have been doing with upgrades for a while now)

Now I have 2023.7.2 but the Docker Hub is still 2023.06.3. I get the following from the Version Service:

Docker Hub Update Available: Up-to-date Current Version: 2023.7.2 Docker Hub 2023.6.3

I do not recall having a Hb and current on different versions. Did I missed something? How do I update the Docker Hub?

Raspian OS is up to date.

Thanks

humble mirage
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You should be using gchr.io - as detailed in the docs and the latest release notes

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Though, that's unlikely to solve your weird caching problem

winged kraken
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And this is what I do every single time

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docker stop; docker rm; docker pull

errant lava
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is this a correctly written command? It just gets confused with sudo and comes out of the docker docs

echo \ "deb [arch="$(dpkg --print-architecture)" signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/docker.gpg] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu \ "$(. /etc/os-release && echo "$VERSION_CODENAME")" stable" | \ sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list > /dev/null

winged kraken
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@humble mirage If I execute docker container rm, what would yoi recommend. To prune al limages and let download everything?

humble mirage
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I'd use a compose file, personally

winged kraken
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Thanks. I'll look into it

frank perch
brittle sail
frank perch
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just throwing it out there that videos are mostly outdated when they are uploaded

brittle sail
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Not my three smile

errant lava
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aw poo containers can't have addons lol

errant lava
frank perch
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you can install all the software in containers that you can in addons ... mostly

quick yacht
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I updated to 2023.7.1 and since then none (aside from Sun/Moon and a few others) of my integrations will load. When I look at the logs, I don't see anything jump out that might tell me what is wrong. Repairs doesn't show anything for me. Any suggestions?

errant lava
frank perch
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I do not happen to have containers, I run HAOS

grand pivot
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Yet...you do

quick yacht
frank perch
final socket
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You just point your mqtt integration at localhost:port and it works.

lost olive
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hi all, i am also a noob needing help with a mosquitto docker container. HA and mosquitto are running on the same host, and i had to change the port (2222:1883) because 1883 is apparently already used. i have an empty config file, and no data is being returned when i try to access dockerhost:2222 through chrome. i am failing to connect to it as an mqtt broker. anything obviously wrong?

delicate shuttle
celest knoll
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Hi everyone! I installed HA on a rpi4 back in 2020, and I had to make a lot of tweaks to get it done using Docker (used this link https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installing-home-assistant-supervised-on-raspberry-pi-os/201836, unfortunately not understanding 100% of what I did). Obviously, this installation is now unsupported which causes a bit of trouble. I want to restart from scratch, but I'm confused about the type of installation. HA Container seems easier but isn't the experience worse without the add-ons?

humble mirage
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Add-ons are just a way of installing software, they're not magic

celest knoll
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So container is good to go ?

humble mirage
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Yes

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20% of all HA users (who report their install type) run it

normal cedar
fiery pond
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Alright so I recently got a new ceiling fan that advertised Google Home compatibility, but it runs on Tuya and only works properly on the Tuya app. Apparently there's some sort of fix for that using Home Assistant to control it, but that means I would also need to get Home Assistant working with Google Home. But the only way to do that without paying a subscription is with add-ons, which I can't use because the only device I can use to run it is an old pc running ubuntu server that's already running other stuff like Klipper, preventing me from using Home Assistant OS. I'm completely lost on where to even begin at this point

humble mirage
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Alright so I recently got a new ceiling

north radish
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I'm trying to install the MacOS based Virtual Box image that I downloaded from https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/macos into Virtual Box 7.0.2 on my Mac.
Unfortunately the VM crashes during boot. Is there a problem with this image? I'm asking because I am able to install/run other VMs such as Ubuntu 22 Desktop LTS.
(Note I am running on MacOS Ventura.)

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When following the instructions on that page, it mentions that there should be 32GB storage available. Now, the VDI disk is configured to 32GB, so is that sufficient? Or do I need to configure another disk with 32GB?

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Whenever I try to run the VM, I get the following error message in the VBox GUI:

Result Code:
NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0X80004005)
Component:
SessionMachine
Interface:
ISession {c0447716-ff5a-4795-b57a-ecd5fffa18a4}```
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Is it possible to get older versions of haos_ova-10.3? Which I could then upgrade to the latest?

north radish
north radish
median mulch
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Installation Recommendations for Spare/Side PC

umbral shuttle
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I dont know if its the right channel, but could i ask for help with NGINX setup in here ?

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ill just leave it here
if i dont setup nginx i can access normally through https and integrate it with google for example, but cant access locally due to certificate mismatch, if i setup like the documientation says, i loose https access (ence google doesnt connect to it) but i can log throug http

final socket
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I think if you use a reverse proxy you have to have your reverse proxy server handle the SSL stuff.

umbral shuttle
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isnt that what nginx does? or should i be using a different way to point to my server in the companion app for example?

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should i point to the dns or the local ip address ?

final socket
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Because if you had HA set up to handle the SSL before, you have to change your Home Assistant configuration and instead point your nginx site config to the SSL certificates.

umbral shuttle
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it had ssl with duck without nginx

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the ssl was from before

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should i redo everything like that guide ?

umbral shuttle
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i found the problem, i have to point to 443 instead of 8123 now

nocturne brook
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I recently got a mini PC that I want to run HA on exclusively. I have a 64gb flash drive and am trying to figure out how to install HA on the mini pc using the flash drive but I'm kind of lost with all this. I don't want to run it on the flash drive, just use it as an install medium

humble mirage
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You write some live Linux distro to the flash drive, boot from it, and use it to write the HA image to the computer

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(as explained in the HAOS install docs)

nocturne brook
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I've been trying to do that with Ubuntu but I keep getting errors trying to install Etcher

humble mirage
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And those errors are?

nocturne brook
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I run the commands in the install guide and it can't find a bunch of the files so it skips them and then inevitably I get to some point where it needs them

humble mirage
nocturne brook
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I'm out of the house right now but I can paste the specific errors when I get back

nocturne brook
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ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo add-apt-repository universe -y
Adding component(s) 'universe' to all repositories.
Ign:1 cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease
Hit:2 cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy Release
Err:4 https://dl.cloudsmith.io/public/balena/etcher/deb/ubuntu jammy InRelease
402 Payment Required [IP: 2600:9000:234b:6e00:e:f4d2:20c0:93a1 443]
Hit:5 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy InRelease
Get:6 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-security InRelease [110 kB]
Get:7 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu jammy-updates InRelease [119 kB]
Reading package lists... Done
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/binary-amd64/Packages' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/i18n/Translation-en' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)

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W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/i18n/Translation-en_US' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/dep11/Components-amd64.yml' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/dep11/icons-48x48.tar' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/dep11/icons-64x64.tar' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/dep11/icons-64x64@2.tar' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
W: Skipping acquire of configured file 'universe/cnf/Commands-amd64' as repository 'cdrom://Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS Jammy Jellyfish - Release amd64 (20230223) jammy InRelease' doesn't have the component 'universe' (component misspelt in sources.list?)
E: Failed to fetch https://dl.cloudsmith.io/public/balena/etcher/deb/ubuntu/dists/jammy/InRelease 402 Payment Required [IP: 2600:9000:234b:6e00:e:f4d2:20c0:93a1 443]
E: The repository 'https://dl.cloudsmith.io/public/balena/etcher/deb/ubuntu jammy InRelease' is not signed.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.

humble scaffoldBOT
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@nocturne brook Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

Please don't use Pastebin, since it can randomly add spaces to the main view. Please also don't share text as images since it makes it harder for people to help you. Remember that others may have colour blindness, impaired vision, etc.

humble mirage
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Rather than spamming the channel (see #rules - rule #6) - use a code share site 😉

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  402  Payment Required [IP: 2600:9000:234b:6e00:e:f4d2:20c0:93a1 443]
``` ![blink](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/709124808297807984.webp?size=128 "blink")
nocturne brook
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right I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do about that

tender wren
bitter yarrow
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I flashed (for the second time) OS10.3 with Raspberry Pi Imager on to 128GB SD card. This one is working better than the last. Seems to be stuck on "service s6rc-oneshot-runner: starting. previous line say it was successfully started. Sitting on that line for more than 1 hour. Observer reports "unhealthy". No errors reported, though.

raven forge
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Check (and share) the supervisor logs

bitter yarrow
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I have access to HDMI terminal with ha > propmt from the PI, the "Preparing Home Assistant is still running. Locatiion of the logs? Sorry, newbie to this application.

tender wren
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Is the Pi connected to the network/internet?

bitter yarrow
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Yes, wired. Just did a ha supervisor reload. no change.

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Ahh... found logs.

frank perch
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supervisor logs or su logs for short

bitter yarrow
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Last of the red/pink text: supervisor needs to be updated first... supervisor healthy could be compromised.. Running su update now. Aaand it failed. Internal server error ... context deadline exceeded.

bitter yarrow
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Progress, Hated to power off restart but looks like it downloaded the supervisor update to 2023.07.1 thanks for the help.

gusty mulch
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Hi folks, I hope I'm in the right place. I'm trying to upgrade my odroid-m1 to the 10.4 dev version with some bugfixes falstaff321 put together for a DNS issue which the 10.2 OS that the server came with is experiencing. I have the terminal integration set up and can manually add nameserver 8.8.8.8 to the /etc/resolv.conf so that I can download files, but I'm not sure what file I need to download or how to update the OS. Do I need to use a boot disk maker to put the image on a usb? And which image do I use? Many thanks in advance!

For context, here's the version agners linked on issue 2578:
https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/2578#issuecomment-1621647136

copper steppe
gusty mulch
copper steppe
gusty mulch
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I can also reach that domain

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wget can grab an index.html from that directory

copper steppe
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You might need to "join beta channel" within ha? I don't know I never did it.

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Try this:

ha su options --channel dev
ha su reload
ha su update
ha os update --version 11.0.dev20230705
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I just tried this, worked for me:

➜  ~ ha os info
board: ova
boot: B
data_disk: QEMU-QEMU-HARDDISK-drive-scsi0
update_available: true
version: 11.0.dev20230705
version_latest: 11.0.dev20230711
gusty mulch
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ha su update gave


Error: No supervisor update available - 2023.07.1```

But I ran the update --version line and it seems to have done something, just waiting for reboot
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Okay very promising, I can reach google without touching resolv.conf, will poke around some to see if my other issues went away too

gusty mulch
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Yessss I finally can link integrations

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Thank you so much @copper steppe and of course @faint dust

copper steppe
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Yay

gusty cedar
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Hello. I have HAOS running on a Pi3, with DuckDNS for remote access. I've manually set up Alexa and SmartThings with my DuckDNS address.
I'd like to migrate everything to a machine running HA supervisor on Linux. What's the best way to do this? I tried a full restore of my latest backup (note, I did this while my Pi was still running), and that didn't seem to work. I couldn't access the supervisor instance, even after I shut down the Pi. Help?

humble mirage
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Don't run Supervised

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You should however be able to access it by IP and port just fine

gusty cedar
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I thought I tried by IP and port too and that didn't work either. I'd have to try again.

humble mirage
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HAOS if you want add-ons

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Keep in mind that if you have HA doing SSL you still need https: with the LAN IP

gusty cedar
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My machine (old laptop) doesn't support UEFI or even virtualization. That's why I thought supervised was a better way to go. But supervised doesn't let me use add-ons?

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Yeah, https: could have been what I was missing.

humble mirage
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Supervised does, but it's fragile and requires the most from you

gusty cedar
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Okay, so I don't want that. Would a VM on some Linux OS like Debian or Ubuntu be doable?

raven forge
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Sure. If your hardware supports virtualization and you have enough memory. I recommend giving proxmox a try

frank perch
gusty cedar
gusty cedar
humble mirage
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It'll allow a QEMU VM

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VBox would probably work too

gusty cedar
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Okay, I can give that a try. Any good tutorials for installing HA with VBox on Debian?

humble mirage
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Well, it's VBox... any VBox guide will do

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The official HA docs cover it at a high level

warped zinc
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sorry, noob question here...
Are there any architecture docs that discuss best practices for a common user base over multiple HA instances (physically separated) talking with one another? I would like to have an HA instance at home, at work and at a recreational property, have the same users be able to go between any of the locations, have automations work based on location/user combination but also have HA@home be aware that userA is currently at HA@work and or HA@cabin. Is this even possible? Is there a better channel to pose this question?
Many thanks in advance!

humble mirage
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There's zero official support for that

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So, there's no architecture docs for it

warped zinc
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awesome, thank you!!! I'm assuming in this scenario persistent VPN connectivity (like with ZeroTier or Tailscale) could be used between the different hosts/networks?

humble mirage
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Yes, they have to be able to communicate

opaque musk
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hey, i want to install a new linux / hass server, is Raspberry Pi OS Lite a good choice ?
And then I dont get the difference between HaOS in virtual machine and Ha container

humble mirage
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If you want Container then Lite is fine, or Debian

opaque musk
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Oh thx, I was on this page, but didnot scroll to this nice table

humble mirage
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Keep in mind that add-ons aren't magic or special, they're just a way of installing software

opaque musk
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If they work good it should ease the configuration ? And if it does not I can always fallback to command line ?

humble mirage
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Well, no, there's no fallback

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If you go with HAOS then it's add-ons or nothing

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(same with Supervised, just with more work)

opaque musk
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I was thinking about the Supervised but looks painfull

frank perch
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It is

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Not for the uninitiated

humble mirage
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Supervised is a big trap

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It's intended to be HAOS but you manage Debian very carefully

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Most people ignore the requirements and then discover it causes problems

opaque musk
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yes im getting that

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ok so the way seems to be Raspberry Pi OS Lite, Ha container, and then install the rest manualy in the system or docker

frank perch
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Dammit what a waste of time

opaque musk
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Thx guyzzz

raven forge
raven forge
gusty cedar
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I know, I really need to quit wasting my time and buy a new machine. But the laptop is free. 😅

vital ibex
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I have a really dumb question - how does one boot from USB? I'm trying to install HA OS on a Lenovo NUC that currently has Proxmox on it. I've plugged in the USB with the HA image on it, but I can't figure out how to get the BIOS to boot from it? In BIOS, I can see the USB in the boot order settings page, but I can't change the boot order, so it always boots to Proxmox once I exit the BIOS settings. I realize this is a terribly dumb question - sorry.

raven forge
frank perch
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Are you trying to format the entire NUC?

vital ibex
frank perch
frank perch
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You might have to 'remove' the hard drive boot option

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Which Lenovo NUC?

vital ibex
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Hmm, okay. USB boot is enabled, but I can't seem to change the order - when I try to move USB higher in the boot order, I just get a harsh generic beep from the machine

frank perch
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Try lowering or removing the hard drive boot option

vital ibex
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Umm let me see if I can figure out what kind exactly, if that would help

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Okay. Now I'm finding that I can't even get BIOS to load - it shows the BIOS screen for a few seconds, but it doesn't accept keyboard inputs and then boots Proxmox. Maybe something's screwy with the motherboard or something?

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Thanks for the suggestions

frank perch
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Sounds like fastboot is enabled

vital ibex
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Yeah or maybe it's my USB drive? I see a bunch of USB-related errors while it's booting, like "cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?"

raven forge
vital ibex
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(I'm going to 'etch' a new USB drive and try that before anything else. Thanks again for the help, @frank perch.)

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So, once I have a new device, in theory, I should go into the BIOS settings, set the USB drive as the 'top' / first device, reboot, and it should work from there?

frank perch
frank perch
copper steppe
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Arrow needs to stop d**king around with e-waste hardware already 😛

final socket
vital ibex
grand pivot
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Next, we need to write the Home Assistant Operating System image to the “boot medium”, which is the medium your x86-64 hardware will boot from when it is running Home Assistant.

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HAOS doesn't have an installer

vital ibex
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Thank you both - I was clearly imagining this would be like installing a similar system on a RPi and glossed over some instructions. Sheesh. Okay. This is tougher than I imagined, but thank you both for drawing my attention to my stupidity ... !

grand pivot
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It's really not much different. Consider Etcher or whatever you use to write the image to be the 'installer'

vital ibex
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So in my case, since I can't boot the target machine and download the image and etcher on it, I need to use this approach?

Create a “live operating system” on a USB device running e.g. Ubuntu (how-to guide). Insert it into your system and boot the live operating system. Then follow from step 2 in “Write the image to your boot medium”.

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I believe that's what you already said, so apologies - I'm just double-checking myself given my recent confusion ...

grand pivot
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If you can't attach the drive to some other machine that can run Etcher (or equivalent), yes, you can do it in place with the steps you referenced

vital ibex
vital ibex
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Update on my frustration (just venting): put Ubuntu on the USB stick per Ubuntu instructions to which HA link in those instructions, booted the machine with that, got to the Ubuntu 'welcome' screen, and neither the keyboard nor the mouse are working. FML.

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I knew moving from HomeBridge to HA would be considerably more complicated, but I didn't think the installation process would stop me ... sigh

vital ibex
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Update to my update: got a different Linux distro running off of the USB, on the target machine, downloaded etcher and the images, and now getting arcane errors when trying to 'etch' the target machine's hard drive. How does anyone get this system installed in a reasonable amount of time?? Or am I just particularly unlucky / dumb? Sorry for venting so much, but this is, to put it mildly, difficult and frustrating.

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I'll stop clogging this channel now; apologies and thanks to those who helped earlier! ❤️

final socket
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What kind of errors?

versed vapor
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usb boot should be fairly easy to do even on old machines. just gotta make sure to use a small capacity usb stick with fat32
it shouldnt be needed then to do any legacy boot or even changing the boot order (plug in, boot to bios, select the usb to boot)

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but that all wont help if there is other stuff messed
you could try reflashing the bios and see if that may fixes it. tho id suppose its unlikely

rare hill
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What system/linux prep is needed to add an external USB SSD drive to move HA data to? I'm running HAOS on Odroid. The HA Move Data Disk doc page https://www.home-assistant.io/common-tasks/os/#using-external-data-disk doesn't mention prep steps/implies it is fully automated/perhaps assumes drive already mounted? While my HA Move Data Disk feature sees the new drive name (presents it in the list), I'm guessing I need to config the permanent mount point first. If that's correct, are there any preferred paths or any to avoid?

true temple
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so i just installed eclipse mqqt and zigbee2mqqt in docker and it all says it working but i cant figure out how to access the ui for zigbee2mqt, this might be obvious i am just not figuring it out

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if i go to the opt i set for it, it doesnt show up

humble mirage
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#zigbee-archived can help with Z2M - but dd you enable the frontend, and did you map the port?

true temple
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so the default port of 8080 was taken so i switched it to 8081

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i dont see any option where u enable the frontend?

humble mirage
true temple
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ok i will check that out, one other questions, i saw that people edit the configuration.yaml of ha to add entries to the left panel but when i look in my configuration, it looks nothing like the ones in the example where it shows the side panels, maybe the video is old (about a year or so ago) where is that contained, if its in a diferent location?

humble mirage
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Some of those may be add-ons (which you don't have)

true temple
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i want to add the z2m to the left panel

humble mirage
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Then you want the iframe

true temple
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ok

crude inlet
true temple
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i just realized that my configuration.yaml that i got from wget from the instructions (and modified) apparently got wiped out once i ran docker compose, replaced by some file with lots of settings that says legacy in it

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regarding z2m

rare hill
crude inlet
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No configuration of mounts. And yes it is ext 4

true temple
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not having the iframe show up for some reason

humble mirage
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When over there, do share what you did, and remember you need to restart HA for changes to show

true temple
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ya so i figured it out, i didnt copy and paste the whole text, i manually entered it, i mistyped a word or two 😄

vital ibex
# final socket What kind of errors?

Thanks for asking to you and others who were trying to help. After sending my last venting messages, I went to go drink and read a book to get over my frustration, lol, so I missed the follow-up. I don't recall the errors I was getting but I think they had to do with drive protection / permissions (even after I tried running balenaetcher as root / with sudo, etc). In any case, the whole thing was so frustrating, I've sort of given up on running HAOS on the machine and am currently installing a Linux distro (other than ProxMox which was on there and which is no longer necessary for me with this machine) into which I'm going to try my hand at creating a VM in which I'll run HAOS. Wish me luck!

humble mirage
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Or just embrace Docker and skip past those pesky add-ons 😛

frank perch
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HA will make you meditate.

final socket
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Docker is genuinely a great way to run HA. I think people get hung up on the add-ons sometimes, they get the idea they're opting for a limited, neutered, or less functional version of home assistant by opting for Container, but that's definitely not the case.

vital ibex
frank perch
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Methods are unimportant.

vital ibex
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Any advantages or recommendations between VMMs / hypervisors on Linux, if I don't already have one and would be using it primarily (or exclusively) for HAOS?

(Also, if I'm clogging up this channel with too many questions, feel free to let me know or DM me if you prefer to share feedback privately - I won't be insulted.)

vital ibex
frank perch
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An addon is just software, which you can get from containers on docker

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I'd honestly suggest you run HAOS tho

grand pivot
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I started with HAOS and addons, but eventually found that some things I wanted weren't available as addons, or I wanted more customization. I moved those incrementally to standalone containers, and eventually was left with only addons that supported the HAOS ecosystem (samba, ssh, etc). At that point I just moved HA to a container install

raven forge
frank perch
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Yeah proxmox and haos, then migrate to container on proxmox

twilit hill
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my rpi 3b+ have stayed on this dfor like 2h now trying to install the os from pi imager.. ""23-07-18 18:50:11 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.host.sound] Updating PulseAudio information
23-07-18 18:50:11 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.host.manager] Host information reload completed""

humble mirage
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  1. Did you have a network cable plugged in when you powered it on?
  2. Have you tried accessing the web interface?
twilit hill
humble mirage
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Great? So what's the problem?

twilit hill
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for the last 1-2 houers

crude inlet
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Hard refreshed the page?

final socket
fair spindle
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add-ons are just docker containers, as the saying goes. I prefer HAOS since it's less fiddling, but anything that's an addon you can run just with docker directly. The only feature I know of that actually requires the supervisor (which is the thing HAOS has that enables the addon system -- p.s. don't use Supervised, it's a trap) is the one where the ESPHome dashboard can share encryption keys with HA through it. But copy-paste works perfectly fine for that anyway.

fair spindle
low notch
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windows subsystem for linux for windows

humble mirage
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TL/DR: ||no||

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Based off of that short summary ... no

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Ah... WiFi for servers ... not a good choice

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the VM is still running? It wasn't put to sleep/suspended?

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Network switches can solve that

wanton spruce
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Two accounts or one?
I just setup HA in one home. Now I’d like to setup HA in a second home. When setting up the second home should I use my existing HA account or start with a new account ?
Thx

frank perch
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Depends on what you want really

humble mirage
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Well, not really

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Accounts are local to the HA instance

blazing latch
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Hello!

I'm trying out Home Assistant for the first time, it's my first experience with the tool, but I'm having trouble completing the installation. During the onboarding process, the "Country" and "Currency" options do not appear for filling in, and I can't proceed.

I saw some suggestions online recommending to directly insert this information into the "configuration.yaml" file, but since it's my first time running it, I don't have access to the File Editor. The "Detect" button doesn't work either. Any suggestions to fix this?

https://imgur.com/GzhPzeB
https://imgur.com/mjO9GWY

humble mirage
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What web browser are you using?

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Did you disable any ad-blocker

blazing latch
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I tested on Edge, Chrome, and Opera. I tried recreating the server on another computer, but without success. I also attempted it through the mobile browser, and the situation was the same.

I don't have an ad-blocker.

empty bloom
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Settings -> General

wanton spruce
# frank perch Depends on what you want really

I’m not sure where this will go, but for now I’d just like two separate installations. Eventually I’ll want to add remote connectivity via NabuCasa and also link the systems together. I’d like to access both via iOS.
I’m just not sure what the implication are of having two user accounts vs one.

humble mirage
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You don't have a choice

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Each HA install is self contained

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When you do the onboarding then the account you create is local to that install

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Your NabuCasa account can only be linked with one HA install

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If you want two installs and both using NabuCasa then you need two NC accounts, and to pay twice

wanton spruce
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Ahhhh…. Hence the fact that there’s only a “create account” option on the new install and not a “sign in”

blazing latch
empty bloom
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I'd try reflashing again then. Those fields should appear.

blazing latch
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As I'm still getting familiar with it, I downloaded the image directly from the website and installed it on a VM on Windows 10. I did this about 4 or 5 times on two different computers, and the result is the same. 😕

empty bloom
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It's just a web browser, it should show you. It's possible that this is a bug in the current version, however you aren't the first to set this up in the past few days.

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usually, missing UI elements is due to issues with the browser you're using or caching issues

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if that doesn't clear it up, try an older version

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If you know developer tools for websites, you can try to force the element to move via F12

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or with F12 open, hit CTRL+F5

smoky elm
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Yellow and no Compute Module

blazing latch
fading bane
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Does it not support add-ons at all in that installation type?

empty bloom
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not supported

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containder does not support addons

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addons are just docker containers that are specifically configured to work with home assistant supervisor

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with container installation, you're the supervisor, so you install and configure all additional docker containers

fading bane
#

ah is that what it is

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thanks 👍

hidden lake
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I feel like I may be cheating a little here but I am tying to get HA up and working on Docker (using Portainer). Using the recommended docker compose [utilizing network_mode: host] the container starts but I cannot get to the UI (localIP, localhost, homeassistant, homesassitant.local all on port 8123). If I add the port and remove the network_mode I can get to the UI and even make changes, but discovery does not work (it cannot see any of my devices). All of my devices are on 10.0.0.xx, With this config my docker HA container is on 172.xx.0.xx. Even though the port passthrough is working it seems obvious that discovery will not find anything outside of the 172.xx.0.xx network. Am I tilting at windmills hoping to get it to work this way or is there a trick that is not outlined? I am attempting to do this on a Windows 11 box with a WSL enabled Docker. I am guessing that the reason given below is why the network_mode: host setting does not work but I am hoping that there is some other workaround for this. Please tell me that I am not just SOOL.

per
https://docs.docker.com/network/drivers/host/
...
Host mode networking can be useful to optimize performance, and in situations where a container needs to handle a large range of ports, as it does not require network address translation (NAT), and no “userland-proxy” is created for each port.

The host networking driver only works on Linux hosts, and is not supported on Docker Desktop for Mac, Docker Desktop for Windows, or Docker EE for Windows Server.

humble mirage
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The host networking driver only works on Linux hosts

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That's why you'll never get this to work until that changes

hidden lake
humble mirage
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Unless you're able to re-write reality

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There's a reason the Windows install guide doesn't list Docker as an option

vestal canyon
hidden lake
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Thinking of trying proxmox on an old box, maybe I can get it to work on there

final socket
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Probably. Or Debian+Docker, or whatever. If that old box supports UEFI you could also just install HAOS directly.

karmic stag
#

I have an RPI 4 that boots from a flash drive with the RPI version installed, connected to the router via Ethernet cable. I am able to access the webpage but it's stuck on "Preparing Home Assistant."
First install I waited around 40 minutes with nothing happening. Second was 30 mins. I reset the RPI and waited just over 20 mins It keeps stopping at "Updating PulseAudio information" and "Host information reload completed." I've checked the flash drive and there's enough space on it.
What could be causing this issue?
I can attach a copy of the log if needed.

odd marlin
simple saffron
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Is the "Terminal & SSH" addon not showing up for anyone else? I just did a new install yesterday on a PI4:

Home Assistant 2023.7.3
Supervisor 2023.07.1
Operating System 10.3
Frontend 20230705.1 - latest
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Doh 🤦‍♂️

This add-on is only visible to "Advanced Mode" users. To enable advanced mode, go to Profile -> and turn on Advanced Mode.

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A little interesting that the community addon "Advanced SSH & Web Terminal" shows up without advanced mode.

edgy walrus
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Hi, I'm getting "no such host" when trying to install the docker container. I understand it's some kind of DNS problem. I don't have pihole or anything installed. I tried putting my router's ip as nameserver and also tried 8.8.8.8 - both didn't help. Any suggestions?
BTW, I can ping ghcr.io and also I can browse to ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant using chromium

raven forge
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Show the command you used and the response

edgy walrus
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command:
sudo docker run -d --name homeassistant --privileged --restart=unless-stopped -e TZ=Israel -v ~/DockerConfig:/config --network=host ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

result:
Unable to find image 'ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable' locally
docker: Error response from daemon: Head "https://ghcr.io/v2/home-assistant/home-assistant/manifests/stable": Get "https://ghcr.io/token?scope=repository%3Ahome-assistant%2Fhome-assistant%3Apull&service=ghcr.io": dial tcp: lookup ghcr.io on 10.0.0.138:53: no such host.
See 'docker run --help'.

edgy walrus
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Is there anyway to manually install? or other method to perfom the installation?

edgy walrus
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update: I changed to 8.8.4.4 in /etc/netwrok/interfaces rebooted - and now its working... 🤪 I really can't quite understand these DNS configurations...

edgy walrus
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Okay, now I have the HA running in docker. I would like to import my old configuration (Previously I had CORE version installed). How do I do that?
I tried copying my old .homeassistant folder - but that didn't work

raven forge
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That's not a lot of detail. Make sure you copy it including all its hidden folder to ~/DockerConfig

edgy walrus
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Sorry for the lack of details. I'm kinda new to this - so I don't know exactly what details to provide.
I did that, I had to remove the https configuration, then I could login - but almost everything is broken. For example, do I have to reinstall HACS?

raven forge
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Not if you properly moved the old files

edgy walrus
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Well... all the configuration files moved correctly (the scripts and the dashboards). But I had to reinstall HACS and redownload all the frontend cards. Oddly the HACS integration seems to load ok.

prisma fiber
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guys, is there any information which is not backuped whiel using backup?

grand pivot
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No, everything that HA knows about is backed up

raven forge
#

Note that some addon data is stored somewhere else so partial backups of them might not contain it

shut creek
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Hi all, I installed an update recently on my PI 4 hosted Home Assistant and it would not come back online. It would not boot anymore. Before the update I asked to create a backup on my attached ssd. Any suggestions on how to restore my installation? I have plugged my disk into my Windows machine but I cannot find the tar backup file. I was running Home Assistant from my SSD and would prefer to restore to my SSD as I was running MariaDB.

brittle sail
#

for future reference it's best to have backups downloaded off of the pi (or better hardware for that matter) for situations just like this

shut creek
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Understood, but there are many updates constantly and doing this always is quite an inconvenience. If that is what it takes I will do it. I just thought that if I ticked the "make a backup" tickbox that actually meant something.

humble mirage
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Well, it does, but a backup you haven't downloaded is hard to access

prime wind
#

I installed HA on a Virtual box instance on my Laptop. Played with it for a little bit with my 1 purchased FEIT Smart Lightbulb. It works and I am able to control the bulb with my HA (even with iphone app). But we really don't have much use for it when I installed it. It acutally has not been running in 6 months or so. Today, while going to run another VM I saw the HA install. Remembered my wife said her light bulb (the smart one) was two dim for her to read at night. Started up the HA vbox instance and was able to change light bulb setting. (And updated the HA Core and OS etc.)

All that being said here comes the question...

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What suggestions do you have for moving the Vbox to another computer, and running HA on that vbox on a dedicated always on PC (That will likely do other things)? That PC could (and likely should) run a Linux distro, but could be a windows install as well.

shut creek
humble mirage
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That I don't know, I don't use HAOS... somebody else will

humble mirage
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Otherwise, Debian + Docker

brittle sail
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if the media isnt corrupted it should be in a rar file

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if i navigate to \ip-of-my-hass-install\backup i have multiple rar'd files

prime wind
# humble mirage Otherwise, Debian + Docker

I am not very familiar with Docker. (Hence why I used Virtualbox to test) Maybe there are just config files I can copy from the vbox test ha install to a full install of HA on debian/docker?

brittle sail
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so put the sdcard in a pc or mac or whatever and navigate to /backup and the newest file should be the backup assuming you did a full backup then

humble mirage
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Do a fresh HAOS install, download the backup from your current install, upload it, and you'll be fully up and running

prime wind
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I have proxmox somewhere and I don't recall why, but I abandoned it for another VM hosting service (name escapes me atm.)

humble mirage
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As long as it's not Windows

brittle sail
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yes proxmox with tteck scripts is a pretty good option if you arent willing/able to do it all yourself

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is that pin-worthy tink?

prime wind
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XCP-ng

humble mirage
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Not the worst

brittle sail
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it ignores updating the bios before installing proxmox over windows that it ships with

prime wind
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worked better for me at my shop than proxmox... forget why I went with XCP over proxmox... MIght have had something to do with similarity with Citrix

brittle sail
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ya fuck citrix

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real, real hard

prime wind
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XCP doesn't ship with windows

brittle sail
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no, the mini pcs that the guide suggests buying does

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guess you refuse to click a link

prime wind
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XCP-ng is the base OS that controls the VM's

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Ya know, it has been all of 3 minutes since you linked that. I usually stay in a stream of conversation with others before wandering off. I feel it is more polite that way. IMO

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off to go read the aforementioned link. cheers

prime wind
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In reading the doc stated above it says Use Home Assistant’s Google Drive backup add-on to do nightly backups to the cloud. My consern and why I even want to use HAOS is local control and also privacy. Is there a way to do this line here but have the data encrypted so it is just gibberish on the cloud w/o the proper keys?

final socket
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The important thing is just having those backups backed up to a location that's not on the same machine HA is running on. Doesn't have to be Google Drive.

copper steppe
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You can backup to a local samba etc now

bitter oak
#

Hmmm, how to cancel stuck upgrade? After 3 hours it is still in progress... I haven't access now to host with dockerD, I have only phone with ha app and ssh add-on

twin edge
lean tangle
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Hello,
im a little bit frustrated on an try to install Home-assystant.

First i have had it running in docker. It worked, but without addons.

Now im trying to install Home assistant OS via KVM on my headless home server. Here are allready running some things. mainly in docker.

Its a NUC with ununtu 22.04. Installation works fine, but i cant access to the onboarding page via browser.

I found out that this is somethin with the networking config. Its on his ohn subnet.

How can i redirect the 8123 port from my hosts network to Home-assistant?

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i found a lot of explanations for bridging, but i dont want to have a seperate mac in my network.

humble mirage
#

You want and need bridged networking

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The other option is to stick with Docker for HA, there's nothing magical about add-ons after all

lean tangle
humble mirage
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I don't use KVM myself, all I can do is point you at Google

lean tangle
#

so ther is a vibr0 bridge in my networkctl. Can this be working in both directions?

bitter oak
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Then your VM works like a normal computer in network

bitter oak
#

i really should migrate to new server...
15:01:11 up 6 days, 15:41, 2 users, load average: 45.60, 31.89, 18.37

raven forge
#

Not necessarily. Maybe you have 64 cores or it's due to IO 😄
What are you running on there?

bitter oak
raven forge
#

Just i3 is a bit vague but it might be a slow disk? Not sure what that last sentence is supposed to mean

neon grove
#

If it's mostly frigate can you get a corel stick to reduce the load, or do you have one already.

bitter oak
#

And I forgot about Synology VM with 5 cameras and Synology photos, tTorrent lxc, zabbix, nextcloud

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And yes, I have zfs 4x4tb 5400 slow nas disks, and whole ha is on this drives.

bitter oak
unborn pulsar
#

So I got my NUC and everything ready (but forgot a free USB).
Once I have installed Proxmox and HA with a display connected to the NUC. Can I remove the NUC and put it on another spot and simply boot it up?

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And it all loads by itself?

#

Or do I need a display connected to get it running and then keep it at that spot and moving the display? If ya get what I mean

humble mirage
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Proxmox doesn't need a local display

unborn pulsar
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I mean, once I have installed it all. I need to remove the power supply and everything.
Will it all boot itself up by just plugging it in again and booting the NUC up?

humble mirage
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That depends on the BIOS

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Check to see if it has options for what to do on power loss

unborn pulsar
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Okok, thanks

raven forge
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Rarely a machine (mostly very old ones in my experience) will refuse to boot without a keyboard or monitor attached but that's easy to test at the current place.

unborn pulsar
quaint bolt
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have you set the HA vm to autostart?

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(and I'd recommend testing it :D)

unborn pulsar
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I haven't installed it yet. I didn't have any empty USB sticks at home so need to get one tomorrow but I'm just planning if I need to move the monitor and shit or not.

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But autostart and shit I will try, seems it's possible to do what I want so I dont need to move the monitor etc 😄

raven forge
quaint bolt
#

it should be entirely possible to have everything autostart

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(maybe with a power button push when it's plugged in 😉 )

final socket
vivid pecan
#

Is my home interior wires compatible?

brittle sail
#

oh you want the white glove treatment lol

late canyon
#

I'm using a help toggle as a condition in an automation. If the automation runs, I want to Set the help toggle to true/on. I can't seen to get the automation to set the toggle, everything else works on the automation

brittle sail
late canyon
#

Thanks

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sorry, didn't realize I was in installtion

humble mirage
#

Here s some pics of my spectrum internet

still gyro
#

good morning and good afternoon

still gyro
#

i still cant fix the 172.30.32.1 issue

empty bloom
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what issue

hallow knoll
#

Hi Team, I'm attempting to install HA 10.3 on RPI3 via the RPI imager and Balena and on each attempt am getting stuck in a loop with the following error during "Preparing Home Assistant"

supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.7.3: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.42/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.7.3/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.7.3")

I've swapped SD cards and even attempted installation off another network so I dont think its my local network - any suggestions on what is going on?

still gyro
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maybe ssh wont work

empty bloom
#

Sorry, a link to the issue would help.

worthy tree
#

During the installation I noticed that the mapping integration doesn't work (Leaflet, OpenStreetMap, CARTO). I just get a blank screen. After the installation the same thing happens when clicking the MAP icon on the sidebar. Is there something else that needs to be done to get this functionality to work?

frank perch
#

have internet?

worthy tree
nova depot
#

Hello, I have a question to which I can not find an answer in the vastness of Internet.
How can I integrate the FRITZ!box voice mailbox into HA?

empty bloom
#

FYI, I just googled: "fritzbox voice mailbox home assistant"

nova depot
empty bloom
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The integration may not support what you want. If you added it, and there's no sensor for voicemail count, then the integration doesn't support it.

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that's the only fritzbox integration that handles anything like that, so that's the only choice you have.

tender wren
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You can work around it by a "last call" automation + template sensor.

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And maybe a media link to the voice mail share

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It will show the details of the last caller at least.

empty bloom
#

the api doesn't appear to support voicemails at all

neon grove
vague hill
#

Hi everyone,
seems the installation method for HA supervised has changed.
I now need to install the os agent, correct?

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But for arm64 there is no debian package

humble mirage
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Just use HAOS?

vague hill
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I need the OS for other tasks also. So I need a full RPi OS

humble mirage
#

Ah... so you're deliberately ignoring the requirements bigbrain

vague hill
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Well, if HA wants to force users to use HAOS, then yes

humble mirage
#

Well, you can just run Container instead

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Nobody forces you to use Supervised

vague hill
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supervised installer used to be the recommended approach for RPi

grand pivot
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hmm, I can't recall that ever being true

humble mirage
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It never was, not by people with a clue

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Sure, there's some bloggers/youtubers who push it, but ... really... nobody who understands does

vague hill
#

I mean, recommended if not using HAOS

humble mirage
#

Nah

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That'd be Container

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Even Core is more recommended than Supervised

vague hill
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Ah, okay. Then I was lead down the wrong path when I first started. 😄

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I will try the container install then 🙂

#

Quick question:
HA container is telling me that addons are not supported. I need OS or supervised.

grand pivot
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or just install whatever you need

vague hill
#

?

grand pivot
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nobody needs addons

vague hill
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I use ssh

grand pivot
#

anything you were planning to install using addons you can just install the container

#

ssh comes for free

#

that's just your base OS

vague hill
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I used to install terminal etc. via the built in addons

grand pivot
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why do you need that? you can ssh directly into your box

vague hill
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Because I found the built in terminal or VSC to be quite useful

grand pivot
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you can install VSC via container

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are you talking about the terminal that lives in the web interface?

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you can have that too. there are several containers that expose a web interface to a terminal that you can add to the sidebar

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anyway, if you feel that you need addons, first, you almost certainly don't, and second, yes, those are your two options to get them on a Pi

vague hill
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Okay. I need to re-learn how to do certain things then.
I will start with installing HACS and then see what I need to do to get the rest installed 🙂

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Thank you for your help! I hope I will figure the rest out 🙂

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Btw., why is supervised not recommended despite having those additional features like Addons?

humble mirage
#

Because it's fragile as fuck

grand pivot
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Because the result is exactly the same as with HAOS, but you do all the work

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makes no sense on a Pi

humble mirage
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It only just about makes sense if you really want add-ons and your hardware doesn't support HAOS because it's so ancient

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Even then... I'd still say don't do it

vague hill
#

Okay. I did not have any issues, but I will try the container.

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Can you tell me how to install addons like Google Drive Backups?

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I cannot add it to HACS and cannot find a way to add the repository to HA

raven forge
vague hill
#

Those instructions sent me to Addons 😄

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I did not see any other options there

raven forge
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You might have to enable advanced mode in your profile or something. A picture would help

vague hill
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Advanced is enabled already 🙂

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A picture of what?

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I would like to install this addon. I need to because all my backups are there 😂

raven forge
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Of what you see

vague hill
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I see nothing because container does not have Addons

frank perch
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Well you need to get Google drive working on your own

humble mirage
#

No add-ons with Container

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None

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Zero

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Nada

opaque musk
#

Hello, lil question, I want to install raspbian on a rpi4 SSD drive instead of SD card
But I have no SSD to usb cable to plug it to my PC, just a SD Card reader
Can I go without ? like install on the SD Card first, then copy the system to the SSD, and then making the ssd bootable ?
Any good guide for that ?
Thxxx

raven forge
humble mirage
#

He was persuaded to move away from hell

frank perch
#

🤣😂

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I didn't know he was my neighbor

vague hill
#

Yep. And now I need help figuring out how to make this new hell work for me 😁

humble mirage
#

You'll need to manually download a backup and extract the contents to get the HA config

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The developers only provide a way to restore backups as part of the Supervisor

vague hill
#

Which means I will need to manually create backups also

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So far, container does not look promising

humble mirage
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Sure, but there's lots of good options

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I use rclone for online (encrypted) backups

vague hill
#

So you backup your config folder and just copy&paste back and forth?

humble mirage
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I back up everything - docker config, HA config folder, etc

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Most of my restores will come from my local backups (rsnapshot) which is just a quick scp or rsync away

opaque musk
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Oh should I use the Network boot firmware instead ?

humble mirage
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If I need to pull from rclone I just use rclone to do that, reversing the source and destination

vague hill
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I don't use containers too often, but aren't the files inside the container so you need to use docker exec to backup and restore

humble mirage
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No

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You map volumes

#

Everything else is lost when you rebuild the container, upgrade it, or under many other situations

nova depot
vague hill
# 
Error response from daemon: Conflict. The container name "/homeassistant" is already in use by container "403623109b4094fec748d8d16b8abbf3280ef4704c7336f17846d5af0920c84e". You have to remove (or rename) that container to be able to reuse that name.
humble mirage
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Yes... if the container is stopped, remove it

# 
docker stop homeassistant
docker rm homeassistant
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(assuming you really meant homeassistant and not weirdly /homeassistant)

vague hill
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The / seems to be in the error message only

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Okay. Working. Was not sure if removibg would delete the install

#

So which volume if HA do I need to map then?
Just /:/?

humble mirage
# 
    volumes:
      - /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG:/config
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If you were daft enough to map /:/ then nothing would work, because you'd have replaced the contents of the container with the host OS

vague hill
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But that folder is then just the config folder, not all of HA

humble mirage
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Right

#

You don't currently back up "all of HA"

#

Why would you want to?

#

That's the whole point of the container...

vague hill
humble mirage
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FFS

vague hill
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😄

humble mirage
#

You win today's prize

vague hill
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Yeay

humble mirage
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Good luck

vague hill
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So only config inside container and then the config of the container

humble mirage
#

Yes, back up your compose file, and all your bind mounts - for every container

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"everything"

#

So that you can recover/rebuild

vague hill
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Well, it really isn't explained very well on the website and the limitations without supervisor are quite big. So all the nice Addons that do all of those tasks are gone.

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I will look into it and backup "everything"

humble mirage
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If you want add-ons, use HAOS

frank perch
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Make sure your backup location isn't getting backed up

humble mirage
#

If you want freedom, .... take the time to learn

frank perch
#

Ballooning backups 🤮

frank perch
blissful holly
#

Okay. My trip to the beach got postponed, so I guess I'm doing this today. 😂 Any tips on getting HAOS installed on an intel macbook pro? (From the other channel, I have been using macOS with VirtualBox, but it keeps freezing and losing connection, and the recommendation was to install HAOS directly, or barring that, linux with proxmox).

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I've been looking...it seems like the generic HAOS install needs me to be able to access UEFI, which...I don't think I can do on my old macbook? Or am I wrong?

vague hill
#

One last question: MQTT broker must now also be installed on the OS itself instead of inside HA?

hidden sandal
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Can HA be installed on VirtualBox ?

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I will probably run it on stand alone hardware like a RasPi or Odroid, but wanted to get a head-start running it virtually?

vague hill
hidden sandal
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Thank you for the reply , but the appliances provided aren't ones I can import as an appliance into VBox 7

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I see another suggestion that is less forward just was wondering if there was a less complex way. The documentation calls them appliance, but apparently the definitions of an appliance differ. The .vdi is actually a disk image which I have never used before, but have found documentation on installation that way.

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Before I hit the order key for a new ODroid N2+ with a Nvme drive I see that with the Home Assistant Yellow which is based upon a Rasp Pi that many brands of M.2 do not work. Does anyone know if the Odroid N2+ has any issues.

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Okay that didn't work either. I hate to be the old guy in the room, but what passes for documentation lately leaves out detailed Step By step instructions. Can I just get a .iso or does that not exist in the Home Assistant World ?

frank perch
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No, there is no iso

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Which documentation do you feel is lacking?

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If you're going to install a vm, just download the vm image

brittle sail
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and dont buy a pi/yellow/odroid buy a mini pc

hidden sandal
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Basically the instructions imply that the .vdi is an appliance, and maybe in Docker that is the correct term, but not in VBox it isn't. even the instructions I found for how to install in VBox leaves a lot out. It will not boot !

frank perch
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So if he's in the room, you're not the old guy

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The .vdi is a virtual box disk image, all you do is setup the vm as per instructions and start it... there's no "install" to go thru with that method

hidden sandal
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Okay but I don't use Docker so these instructions do not work for me. I guess I got to learn Docker which I really don't like VM's and the Oracle VBox was just a way to start getting exposed to HA before I buy hardware.

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What instructions ? I am looking for how to do this in VBox which so far I haven't seen any Step By Step so I have tried several options none of which seem to work.

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Why is there no .iso ?

tender wren
frank perch
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You looked at the virtual box install instructions here?

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There is no iso because, reasons. I'm not privy to them.

hidden sandal
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Okay I misread the Odroid model it is actually an M1 . My mistake but IMHO better than a NUC for several reasons.

tender wren
hidden sandal
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Jorg I have read about issues with the eMMC's that warrants further investigation on my part, but the Odroid M1 I understand can be order with the Home Asst. preinstalled.

tender wren
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NUCs don't use eMMC and I'm not aware of shops selling Odroid M1 preinstalled with HA.

hidden sandal
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KrAzle242 I googles'd how to install a .vdi. ( yes I should have known better ) I will go to the url you posted once I get the time after test installing another OS inside VBox 7 which I just upgraded to from VBox 6 this is how little I use VM's these days as I seldom us WinDoze 10 and never plan on upgrading to Win11. I will buy a Mac before I do that. Linux Mint 21.2 which is based on Ubuntu 22.04 serves most of my needs so not really that into learning Docker if I can avoid it. Thanks for the advise anyway I will as I said already follow those instructions after I first install another OS like Minu Mint Debian Edition or Fedroa under the newer VBox.

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Jorg not sure where I read that, but OMG there has got to be a better way !! Is Home assistant an Application or some kind of closed system where you have to install under Docker or soemthing like that ??

opaque musk
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Raspi Network install rocks

tender wren
vague hill
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I recommend skipping container and core 😄

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Trying HAOS now. Let's see if my supervised backup will be restored properly on HAOS.

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IMHO downside to many "more powerful" servers is the increase in power consumption. RPi really stays at around 3 W. Most Intel Servers are significantly higher.

high token
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win some lose some

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there are plenty of "boxes" with decent CPU to run either HAOS directly or a hypervisor such as Proxmox that don't consume much

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and you get day and night difference in performance

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not to mention reliability

blissful holly
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So, trying to install HAOS on my intel MacBook Pro (from a USB drive) isn't working. Is there something I need to do, or should I find a linux distro and go that route? If so, what is the currently recommended distro, and then is it a HAOS via proxmox situation?

vague hill
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I find it interesting how often performance and reliability are mentioned.
I have not had any stability or reliability issues with an RPi 4 8 GB running RPi OS on an SDCard (still the first card).

And I have no lags or other performance issues either (HA supervised).
Not sure what other people's HA setup need to do, but peeformance is not really key to running HA.

vague hill
blissful holly
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It will be, assuming I can get this to work. I had it running on MacOS with VirtualBox running HAOS, but it would just stop working after a few minutes until I restarted VirtualBox and the HAOS VM.

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It's an old MBP...trying to give it new life as HA server.

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Okay, it just finally finished whatever it was doing over there...I thought it was frozen. Now I have HAOS running...but it might be just booting from the USB...not sure, though.

hallow knoll
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Hi team, I'm getting the following when installing - any suggestions? This is for an RPI3 and I can reach those URLs from my computer without issue

supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.7.3: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.42/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.7.3/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:2023.7.3")
vague hill
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Maybe try pulling manually?

docker pull ghcr.io/home-assistant/raspberrypi3-64-homeassistant:sha256-c15c12cf12a97e30f5cdf9cb2686129eae0a82b6d066eef9fafe154f441ba508.sig
frank perch
raven forge
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Totally possible

blissful holly
frank perch
high token
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the HAOS image isn't an installer

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it needs to be installed directly to the drive you want HAOS installed on

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installing the image on the USB means you are iinstalling HAOS on that USB

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if that was the case you'd be asked where to install it to

blissful holly
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Oh. So using etcher to write it to a USB means it is only running from the USB?

frank perch
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yeah if you etched it to usb, it's installed on the USB...

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I thought you used the USB to etch it to your hard drive, so my mistake

blissful holly
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Hm. So I need to figure out how to get it on the hard drive, and make it bootable.

frank perch
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it's the same process

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you etch it to the hard drive of the system the same way you would have etched it to the USB. just the setup would be slightly different.

blissful holly
final socket
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Boot from a live USB, do the etching from inside the live operating system.

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Or, if you have a USB to SATA adapter and the target machine has a removable internal drive, you can pull the drive and etch it like that.

frank perch
vague hill
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Quick question: how do I install packages on HAOS?
I would like to install some additional packages to run in the background

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P.S.: asking because apt-get etc is not working

copper steppe
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it's not a general purpose OS. you shouldn't install anything there

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it's not debian/ubunutu etc; it's some minimal OS only

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If you want to run stuff in background, and are running HAOS natively, you really need to use add-ons.

vague hill
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I would like to run one or two things that are not available. E.g. I would like to run a headless JDownloader

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for that I need java

copper steppe
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Either use an add-on, or run a hypervisor (proxmox, vmware etc) - and run HAOS within that, and another VM to run your other stuff.

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I repeat, you can't install things into HAOS, it's not a general purpose OS, and anything you manage to hack in will go away either on reboot or on upgrade.

vague hill
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It looks like core, container and HAOS are pretty useless for my needs.
So either supervised or a VM in RPi OS 😦

blissful holly
# final socket Boot from a live USB, do the etching from inside the live operating system.

Hm. So I need to get a live usb with...what...a variant of linux on it? And create a live usb with that? I don't know how to do that with MacOS... (honestly, it's been years since I did anything like that with linux, either, but I feel like it wasn't that difficult). Then I get an appropriate version of linux etcher, tell it to write HAOS to my mac drive, and it will just overwrite everything and install HAOS?

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Sorry for all the newb questions. I feel like I used to know more of this stuff, but I haven't touched linux in over a decade. 😭

final socket
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Yeah basically that

frank perch
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Phizzer, yes create an ubuntu live USB, and use that to etch the hard drive

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but yes seems like you got the idea now

copper steppe
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@vague hill I'd suggest a hypervisor like proxmox, and run a couple of VMs in it (including HAOS). The overhead is very low, and it's arguably easier to manage than native HAOS.

blissful holly
copper steppe
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I've run proxmox on macbook pro, it was fine. You can try it, booting off a USB stick first if you like.

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mine was about that vintage

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proxmox has much lower demands of the hardware/gpu/etc than windows. With proxmox you barely ever need to touch the machine itself - it's all via web browser.

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I'm currently running a bunch of VMs, and containers on my 2 proxmox boxes, including HAOS, opnsense (router/firewall), pihole, etc etc https://imgur.com/erIPMQn

blissful holly
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So, basically that would involve making a live USB of ubuntu, then overwriting MacOS with Ubuntu, then installing proxmox through that?

copper steppe
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No, proxmox is it's own operating system. It's actually a flavour of debian IIRC, but you shouldn't need to touch it much.

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there's a good guide around for proxmox + haos here, sec

blissful holly
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Oh, okay. For some reason I thought proxmox was more like VirtualBox, or (although I know nothing about it other than the base concept), Docker.

copper steppe
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Read the linked article, it explains a bunch. Think of it like an appliance, that runs VMs and Containers, and has a web interface. You probably shouldn't install anything much natively on proxmox - just spin up a VM or a container, and install stuff there. See I've got lots of stuff on mine - including windows and macos VMs, different flavours of linux, opnsense (which is bsd) etc...

frank perch
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Proxmox is like virtual box in a sense but it's also got its own OS all packaged together

copper steppe
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Yeah, except it's "type 1" which means it's more efficient, and closer to the metal, without much of an OS in the middle

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virtualbox is "type 2"

frank perch
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True, was going for simplicity thru brevity

vague hill
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I will raspberry os with pimox tomorrow. Or maybe just straight kvm

crude inlet
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IMO, proxmox is oversold within the HA community. It manages many VMs and containers and adds more features that won't be used by average person. You could use KVM and optionally virt-manager for a virtualbox like ui on Debian without all the proxmox hullabaloo that few will be taking advantage of. Also it works best when you have the OS on one drive and separate drives or array for your VMs which not many do. If you only need a few VMs and not full on VM/container management, proxmox isn't needed.

copper steppe
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I disagree, but you're welcome to your opinion 🙂

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kvm + virt-manager etc are "too hard" for many people. (web interface, good guides, and tteck scripts make proxmox easy)

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and realistically the whole separate drive thing isn't necessary

neon wave
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After update 2023.7 my device at ttyusb0 cannot be read. it is a serial2usb controller for energy reads. Someone have clue?

copper steppe
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check lsusb and dmesg, maybe it's moved device name?

frank perch
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is it a VM? or bare metal?

copper steppe
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Oh yes, that too! 🙂

neon wave
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it is a bare metal - and dmesg says pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0

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could it have lost its connection to docker?

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i run docker with docker-compose btw.

frank perch
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not exactly bare metal but close enough

neon wave
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Guess i'll do a revert tomorrow

copper steppe
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capital vs lowercase?

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but I don't know why HA update would change any of that. I'd expect HAOS could, but you're not running that.

neon wave
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Everything seems fine. - But i got error messages in the beginning when i loaded up the HASS that there was an error to ttyUSB0 because there was no such device or location. I rebooted the hardware after this and re-run the docker-compose UP without problems

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but dmesg | tty shows me it does exists and it did work fine until my upgrade

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Gonna try reattach usb devices physically and see if the system "refreshes" itself.
Worth to mention that zwave and zigbee controllers seems fine on usb .

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BTW... looks like i am missing 14 days of data

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of the energy chart

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Well. Wish me luck. Going for a dig.

frank perch
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G'Luck

quaint bolt
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cockpit-machines isn't terrible for managing vms

urban adder
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hi all, wondering if someone can help - I just installed linux virtual machine on my intel mac. The devices in my home assistant is all good at the start but then for some weird reason the devices get disconnected. I then reboot and everything goes back to normal, any one had similar issue? its driving me nuts lol

vague hill
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Hey everyone
Trying to install a VM version on my pi.
Everything seemed fine but HA is not reachable and the console stops doing anything while mapping. Is this normal and I just need to wait an hour or is something wrong?

humble scaffoldBOT
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@vague hill I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
humble mirage
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What VM software are you running on the Pi, to run that VM in?

vague hill
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KVM with virt-manager

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I just found that the shell is hidden underneath

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So it seems to have haulted by itself. After typing exit and then resuming boot I see

BdsDxe: failed to load Boot0002 "UEFI Misc Device 2" from PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x1,0x3)/Pci(0x0,0x0): Not Found
BdsDxe: failed to load Boot0001 "UEFI Misc Device" from VenHw(93E34C7E-B50E-11DF-9223-2443DFD72085,00): Not Found
BdsDxe: loading Boot0003 "EFI Internal Shell" from Fv(64074AFE-340A-4BE6-94BA-91B5B4D0F71E)/FvFile(7C04A583-9E3E-4F1C-AD65-E05268D0B4D1)
BdsDxe: starting Boot0003 "EFI Internal Shell" from Fv(64074AFE-340A-4BE6-94BA-91B5B4D0F71E)/FvFile(7C04A583-9E3E-4F1C-AD65-E05268D0B4D1)
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"Exit" gets me to the vm boot manager. But I cannot manually start the startup.nsh

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Now also tried manual installation. Also fails.

~/home-assistant $ virt-install --name hass --description "Home Assistant OS" --os-variant=generic --ram=2048 --vcpus=2 --disk /home/piserver/home-assistant/haos_ova-10.3.qcow2,bus=sata --import --graphics none --boot uefi 
Starting install...
Running text console command: virsh --connect qemu:///session console hass
Connected to domain 'hass'
Escape character is ^] (Ctrl + ])

BdsDxe: failed to load Boot0001 "UEFI Misc Device" from VenHw(93E34C7E-B50E-11DF-9223-2443DFD72085,00): Not Found

>>Start PXE over IPv4.
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UEFI Interactive Shell v2.2
EDK II
UEFI v2.70 (EDK II, 0x00010000)
Mapping table
     BLK0: Alias(s):
          VenHw(93E34C7E-B50E-11DF-9223-2443DFD72085,00)
Press ESC in 1 seconds to skip startup.nsh or any other key to continue.
Shell>
vague hill
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Seems like either the instructions are out of date or maybe there is a problem with the KVM image?

humble mirage
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I suspect that the image you're using is for Intel, not the Pi

placid sage
blissful holly
hardy sage
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Hi everyone, I've recently purchased a TinkerBoard 2S to install HA. I'm having issues with the HAOS.
I've installed (on the eMMC) the Debian 10 TinkerOS to check if the board worked correctly.
Now I'm trying to install the haos_tinker-10.3 using an SD Card but nothing happens. Has anyone exp with this ? I've followed the online official guide. TY in advance

vital ibex
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I don't know if anyone remembers, but I was in here a week ago loudly and frequently complaining about the troubles I was having getting HA up and running on my NUC. I just wanted to thank those of you who were helpful and encouraging and report that I got it up and running, and some of the more automatic stuff is working fantastically. Of course, I now have a million more questions, haha, but at least they're about things that I'm trying to build out for my specific needs and not about how to even get HAOS up and running. Thanks all!

vital ibex
hardy sage
vital ibex
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Okay, sorry, I guess that's what I should've assumed, but I thought that there was a chance that there was something more going on that might help folks diagnose your problem. Sorry for not being more helpful, but thanks, and good luck

hardy sage
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No problem, thank you very much for the reply 🙂

vague hill
# humble mirage I suspect that the image you're using is for Intel, not the Pi

That was the issue.
Now solved and waiting for backup restore to finish.
Any experience in how many cores and how much memory can be used (in %) without it becoming unstable?
Not sure if a VM with e.g. half the cores (2) and 1/4 the memory (2 GB) would be better than a supervised installation using the entire machine.

versed vapor
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Considering a pi is equivalent to a somewhat mid core2duo
You don't need a whole lot

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I could totally see it work without any issues on about 1/6th of a half way modern core with less than a gig of memory. Tho later may be influenced by how many entities you have. Having a VM like that could totally make sense

humble mirage
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I'd not give HA less than 1 GB

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I'd certainly not give HAOS that little

vague hill
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I will play around and see what the performance does, thank you both 🙂

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Has one of you (or someone else here) used KVM with HA before?
I cannot seem to access HA from outside my server.
I am guessing that the virtual network is not bridging to the eth0 interface.

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Right now it's

<interface type="network">
  <mac address="52:54:00:ef:2d:2a"/>
  <source network="default" portid="437a6055-1f03-4e7c-939d-819701523c6a" bridge="virbr0"/>
  <target dev="vnet0"/>
  <model type="virtio"/>
  <alias name="net0"/>
  <address type="pci" domain="0x0000" bus="0x01" slot="0x00" function="0x0"/>
</interface>
crude inlet
vague hill
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Hmmmm. None of the methods seem to work.
Do you know if two bridges can bridge the same ethernet device?
I am running a zerotier setup which also uses a bridge with systemd-networkd

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And now I killed my network and cannot ssh onto it anymore 😄

slow sand
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hi my haos is not connecting the router

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i flashed a new sd card and its not booting up

raven forge
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What hardware are you using? What image (name of file) did you use?

slow sand
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is it have a cronical problem

raven forge
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Did you choose the RPI 4 version? What is showing on the monitor if you connect one?

slow sand
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i havent micro hdmi cable but at the routers page rpi 4 doesnt takes ip

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my ssid and password is correct i checked

raven forge
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Hard to tell what happens without a monitor. Check with a network cable instead

slow sand
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okay thank you

noble crater
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hello , i need help pls ^^'

unborn pulsar
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Currently trying to get Proxmox and HA working for the first time. I'm getting this screen in Proxmox now: https://i.imgur.com/geTv40U.png the youtube guide said it should start HA after a few seconds.

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What could be wrong?

noble crater
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thomas@raspberrypi:/srv/homeassistant $ pip3 install homeassistant==2023.7.3 Looking in indexes: https://pypi.org/simple, https://www.piwheels.org/simple ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement homeassistant==2023.7.3 ERROR: No matching distribution found for homeassistant==2023.7.3

raven forge
humble mirage
unborn pulsar
humble mirage
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And when 3.12 is released for HA then you need to update to 3.12

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And when 3.13 is released for HA then you need to update to 3.13 ...

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Docker solves that

noble crater
raven forge
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I followed this guide to the letter

noble crater
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haha i don't like docker xD

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i did too much at school

humble mirage
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There is an English phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face

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That applies here

noble crater
humble scaffoldBOT
humble mirage
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There's a link there to all the official install docs

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from there click Linux and then Container

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If you're sensible then you'll scroll down to the Compose instructions

grand pivot
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We keep all the good tutorials hidden

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It's diabolical

noble crater
vague hill
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Don't use docker. In the long run you will miss put because you cannot use the Addons.

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Just my opinion.

humble mirage
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Well, it's a step up from Core, and nobody needs add-ons

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Convenient for some people, sure, but need ... not so much

raven forge
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Don't use HAOS, you'll hate the limitations of addons and reliance on their maintainers. See how that works?

vague hill
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But since OS Agent does not seem to be available for arm64 debian, it is getting difficult to install HA

humble mirage
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I do wish they'd just kill off Supervised

vague hill
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I don't understand why.
Docker and core and limited.
HAOS is limited to running only HA (not good for people who like their server to do more than just HA).
Supervised is essentially dead because you cannot install without OS Agent and OS Agent is not available for RPi arm64.

Leaves VM. VM surely cannot be more stable than supervised. Nor faster. Supervised directly uses the system hardware.

And VM is proving to be an absolute pain to setup.
Still have not managed to get my VM to bridge to eth0. Re-flashing my SDCard for the xth time now because I killed my network and lost the ability to connect via ssh.

humble mirage
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Supervised is - if you read the requirements - HAOS where you manage the OS. You don't get to run other software without breaking the requirements.

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The problem is... so many people ignore that and get into trouble, and then blame others

placid sage
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Guys! I'm newbee, just got a blue box. Box is starting, but staxing on the screen "preparing Home Assistant" for ages. Nothing else happens. Any suggestion what I can do?

humble mirage
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Did you plug it into your router before powering it on?

raven forge
placid sage
bitter yarrow
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I see the same as @placid sage and see in the logs a server error 500 when attempting to install supervisor.locker; client timeout. Wired to network. SD Installed with Rasberry pi installer app windows 10.

blissful holly
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How difficult is it to change network settings once you've installed ProxMox? It just occurred to me that we're doing a trial run with Quantum Fiber (installation date, tomorrow) and all of the IP and domain info might be changing. 😂

frank perch
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well you can also just 'mirror' your old router settings too to ease the pain

copper steppe
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@blissful holly it's fine if you haven't added proxmox cluster.

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You shouldn't be using anything from your upstream ISP anyway, that's always too subject to random change.

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Is your proxmox exposed to the public internet?? (let me know the url so I can hack you) 🙂

lone pendant
blissful holly
blissful holly
lone pendant
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(Or don’t and send @junior carbon and I the IP plz)

blissful holly
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I'm just following the tutorial, based on recommendations from people earlier.

copper steppe
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If you only have one proxmox server, you're not doing clustering.

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And proxmox should be on your LAN, so whatever your ISP/modem/etc does shouldn't matter. Unless you're exposing it to the internet, which is a really bad idea

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Don't port-forward, or use public IPs, on your LAN (unless you know enough to understand all the words, and ignore me)

lone pendant
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I have a hosted Prox box that has a public IP. Setting it up to be remotely secure is a pain. Firewall, VPN, interfaces and bridges…

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(A public /16 in fact… should I post the range?)?

blissful holly
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And do you need it to be open to the internet in order to control devices remotely?

lone pendant
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Oh my

copper steppe
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Exactly