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humble mirage
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Yes

olive vessel
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Since i move disk im not able to connect to HA 😦

humble mirage
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The move may take time

olive vessel
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Ok i just look on vcenter and the VM just shut down. I start it but the boot stuck on Failed to start Wait until Kernel Time synchronized

amber iron
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hey, doing a new installation and wondering, my bios has a force all usb ports to 2.0 option. any reason to touch this? figurre enabling it would be better than not

low notch
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much depends on what you have and want. if you have usb3 at hand, why downgrade?

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if it's only regarding usb1&usb2 then I think you can safely chose to force because there is virtually no usb1 in the wild

amber iron
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i would say downgrade because usb 3 interference with zigbee and the like, but im not sure if forcing 2.0 works that way

low notch
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you can try and tell us, I believe it doesn't change anything in interference from the ports because this is just a protocol force

humble mirage
sturdy ruin
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Hi, earlier today my Assistant stopped being accessible. I can't access it remotely, locally, via the cloud or anything else I have tried. I keep getting ssl or NSURLErrorDomain - 1004 or - 1200 errors. I tried looking for fixes on the host machines to no avail, I googled too but have not found any solution that works. From what I can gather it is not opening the 8123 port. Any help would be appreciated. let me know should you require additional info.

Currently running on 2023.4.0

humble mirage
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Do you have working SSH access to it?

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If not, do you have a keyboard and monitor you can connect (assuming it's not a VM)?

sturdy ruin
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I do have access to the VM and the terminal there

humble mirage
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Is the VM running?

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If you connect to the console what does core logs produce?

sturdy ruin
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yes the VM is running, the logs has a few things in there, I can send it to you

humble scaffoldBOT
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sturdy ruin
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can i paste the link here?

humble mirage
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That looks like a possible networking problem

sturdy ruin
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where or what is the issue? So I can try fix it

humble mirage
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We need the start of the log really

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Timeout occurred while connecting to IPP server

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Plus various other networking bits in there

sturdy ruin
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that's all I have on the log, there is a log 1 in the folder too

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but it doesn't go very far back

humble mirage
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I'd try restarting it and see if that gets you more relevant logs

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ha core restart or just core restart

sturdy ruin
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One sec

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that's from the log

humble mirage
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What we need is the bit before that, so we can see where the first problem is

sturdy ruin
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I'm accessing the log file in the config folder, how do I get the log from the console? It might go further back but I can't see

humble mirage
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ha core log

sturdy ruin
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I can't copy the text from the console

amber iron
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alright, having a little trouble here. i installed proxmox on my system, it reboots into the os fine after install, but shutting down my computer and turning it back on it seems to just not find the boot drive. theres a boot drive clearly labled proxmox, and if i select it, it says no boot device found

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ive tried reinstalling 2 or 3 times and the os just wont boot once i start from power off

humble mirage
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What hardware?

amber iron
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HP T620

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looks like someone on a different os reported that swapping out the ssd worked despite it reporting no errors beforehand. hoping thats not the case tbh

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the weird thing is i dont seem to even be able to rescue boot. just says no boot disk found

sturdy ruin
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That's all that shows in the logs from my side

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would it make any difference migrating HA to my NAS?

tender dock
amber iron
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nope, when i select the drive it just says no boot disk found

tender dock
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sounds like a bad drive then

amber iron
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thats what i feared

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oh well, 0 for 2 on machines bought off ebay

tender dock
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you could try replacing the cmos battery on it first, those usually are bad

amber iron
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meh, looks like its soldered on. probably just replace for a new unit, rather not fuck with it and risk them not accepting a return

teal rapids
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ever since the April release (yesterday) i'm getting major failures. this is the main one: Unable to set up dependencies of default_config. Setup failed for dependencies: dhcp

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is this a known issue?

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i'm seeing it might be a python version issue? broadlink is also broken

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cannot import name 'QueryMessage' from 'dns.message'

pallid lake
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absolutly no issues

brittle sail
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Reputable sellers?

sturdy ruin
# sturdy ruin https://dpaste.org/uQ2Zg

Any suggestions? I've set up HA on my NAS too but still sitting with the same issue, can't access it, not the new or the old instance. I do not have ssh access as I can't get in, so my only solution for logs is the logs I can access in the config folder as I can't scroll through on CLI

amber iron
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Good value, issues with SSD.

Using this for a home automation server, as it's fanless and well-equipped.

Two issues:

  1. The provided m.2 SSD would not retain data any longer; it would erase when powered down.

  2. There are issues booting an internal SSD from modern UEFI partitions.

Once that's resolved, it's a good value.

brittle sail
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Weird

amber iron
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the other one has 99.7% positive though

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that one wouldnt even post

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this one at least is functioning other than the ssd

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its just a shame, i wouldnt remind replacing it myself if it werent more than what i paid for the whole machine

brittle sail
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Still disappointing

amber iron
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yhoping i can just get a working one from this seller and be done with it

pastel sphinx
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If I have InfluxDB running as a LXC on my promox host, should I install Grafana inside HAOS or as another LXC? Any downsides to installing as an add-on vs. LXC?

radiant sundial
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I imagine the add-on has ingress but that's up to how you want to use it

pastel sphinx
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Yes the notes says it supports ingress and direct access.

radiant sundial
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so do you need that?

pastel sphinx
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Well I'd like to be able to open Grafana directly in any bowser without touching HA. Or, also access it within the HA console.

radiant sundial
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then you probably want the add-on and then a reverse proxy. or I mean you could just add a webpage view of grafana to HA...

pastel sphinx
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I don't need access from the internet..just internally on home LAN.

radiant sundial
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I see

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I mean I don't think there's a wrong choice here. it's up to you really

pastel sphinx
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Ok..was leaning towards HA add-on just for simplicity...less LXCs to deal with and upgrade.

radiant sundial
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That's fair. I mean docker containers would probably not be too bad either if you keep it simple enough

steel citrus
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Hi All! First timer here. I installed HA on my docker container last week and last night I saw that there's a new update. I am trying to update it via my Portainer instance, but I get the following error upon trying to re-create it using the option to pull the newest image:

Failure
pull access denied for ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant, repository does not exist or may require 'docker login': denied: requested access to the resource is denied

Do you have an idea which image link I should use instead?

native shuttle
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so i setup my home asstaint on my pc on a virtual box if i want to power down my pc will the home assitant still work

tender dock
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it'll only work virtually at that point

native shuttle
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so the virtual machine will still run

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after i turn my pc off

tender dock
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...

native shuttle
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what

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can i please have anwer

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@tender dock

humble mirage
native shuttle
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so how to i keep it running

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to i put it into sleep mode

humble mirage
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Keep the PC running

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If you put it to sleep it's also not running

native shuttle
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is there a posiibleitle to make it so it runs when its off because my pc does updates when its powered down

humble mirage
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Sure... run it somewhere other than on your PC

low notch
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This conversation is pure gold

native shuttle
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good point

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i am stupid

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im off to buy a rasbery

low notch
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A pc doing updates when its turned off, thats a new one

native shuttle
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bro

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can u transfer a system from windows to rasbery pi

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nvm

humble mirage
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Yes

native shuttle
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oh u can

humble mirage
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Download the backup, upload it to the Pi

native shuttle
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your smart

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thanks

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sorry about my brain

humble mirage
fiery fox
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Hi, I just migrated from HAOS to docker. Everything is working fine but I am struggling with how to add additional Python packages to AppDaemon running on docker. I read in the docs that I could use the file "requirements.txt" to specify those Python packages but I cannot find the required format and the file's location.

humble mirage
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You probably want to ask the folks on the AppDaemon Discord

humble scaffoldBOT
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AppDaemon is a loosely coupled, multithreaded, sandboxed python execution environment for writing automation apps. It uses the Home Assistant API (or MQTT) to communicate with HA. You can get help at their Discord server.

fiery fox
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ok thanks for the hint

desert condor
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I'm currently running HA image: homeassistant/home-assistant:2021.12 and plan to update to the latest version. I'm aware of upcoming breaking changes, such as the deprecation of manually configured MQTT in 2022.12.0.

Considering the implications of these changes, is it best practice to update through each major release sequentially, or is there a more efficient method?

humble mirage
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You're over a year behind on updates, there's been a number of things that were deprecated in YAML and then dropped along the way

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I'd check each set of release notes and see what's mentioned, then see if you can do a few smaller steps

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Basically, upgrade to the release after it moves to the UI but before it is removed from YAML, repeat

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You'll also have to upgrade to one of the intermediate versions that supports new and old MQTT styles to allow you to migrate

desert condor
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I will do that. Thank you Tinkerer!

humble mirage
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I did that for a much smaller leap and it worked out fine, though to be honest it didn't save that much time over going version by version

desert condor
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I've planning this for a while so I got all day!

humble mirage
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The MQTT changes will be the biggest thing, and to be honest they're pretty trivial

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A little search-n-replace magic handles 99% of what you need

onyx gyro
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can anyone help me pls ? i try to install hass on a docker but on the doc i dont find where the code is

humble mirage
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What code?

onyx gyro
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the code to execute on a shell for create the HASS container who's running on my xubuntu

humble mirage
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Are you talking about the docker run command? Or the Docker Compose file? Or something else?

onyx gyro
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off yes ty man

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i was looking for find it but i was on the menus like " hmm where i will find it "

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ty !

humble mirage
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Do yourself a favour, use the compose file, not the run command

onyx gyro
humble mirage
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Images of text nauseated

humble scaffoldBOT
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@onyx gyro Please use a code share site to share code or logs, for example:

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humble mirage
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  1. Use a compose file
  2. Add your user to the docker group, or use sudo
  3. Use a compose file
onyx gyro
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uhm

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while using " docker pull homeassistant/home-assistant " i have permission denied

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howto add user to the docker group pls ?

radiant sundial
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Maybe you should just install an image at this rate

onyx gyro
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uhm

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i have do the same sing with sudo that fonctionning

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hmm

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i'm new on the Xubuntu / debian / HASS / nextcloud / everything else so i dont understand much think

raven forge
radiant sundial
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lol

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I went with the hammer approach. but really there's a bunch to learn using images and what not already so it's an easier start

tough sky
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Hi! I just migrated my HomeAssistant installation from a "Supervised OS" on a dedicated box to a HomeAssistantOS running on KVM.

The issue I have now is the grub menu does not autoselect any entry and I have to manually open the console and hit ENTER to make it boot.

I managed to isolate the problem because the VM has two serial ports (port0 is the VM console; port 1 is a passthru to the host, where I connect it to an Insteon PLM).

When troubleshooting, if I remove the second serial port, it boots automatically, but when adding the second serial port, the issue presents itself back.

Does anyone have some idea how to solve it?

hard skiff
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Have you tried disabling the VM console port?

topaz cave
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Um... help? 🙂 Last night my HAOS rebooted for some reason and i had a "no boot device" found on the screen. I powered off and powered back on, and it started again... however, weirdly i have no Supervisor running. The message on screen is "Error returned from system, supervisor is not ready. state setup" However HA is running as well as the add-ons, even tho i cant see the add ons in the settings menu. https://imgur.com/a/kVtUXcy

brittle trail
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I have installed a Raspbee II on my Pi 4 with HAOS, but It Looks like I need to edit a config file on the Pi to enable the pins for readout in HA. Is there any way to do this without having to start all over again and enabling SHH during install?

tough sky
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Yeah, that was my setup before migrating from the dedicated hardware to VM. I've been tweaking the file grub.cfg with no success so far. If I can't manage to make it boot automatically, I'll reinstall it on a new VM as "Supervised" (I have a few add-ons I wouln't like to lose), just as you suggest.

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Interesting option... and a good excuse to practice with docker. My idea of using the add-ons was precisely not to have to deal with dockers, but perhaps I should take it as good learning opportunity.

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In your experience, which distro would you recommend for this purpose Ubuntu Server or Debian?

humble mirage
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Debian

tough sky
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If I can't fix the grub issue, I'll do that. Honestly I haven't had any other issue with HassOS or Supervised so far. But the grub issue is a real showstopper for me.

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I agree, specially in a virtualized environment. On baremetal I tend to use Ubuntu becasue it usually has more recent drivers, but on KVM everything is a VirtIO device so no real difference there.

radiant sundial
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debating distros is kinda like choosing between coke and pepsi 😄

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but really pick the supported distro since well... fewer problems come up when you're running things in an expected way

tough sky
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That's the reason I asked "for this purpose". As I am not too experienced with dockers, was wondering which distro wuld be easier to setup HomeAssistant in.
BTW: In my previous baremetal installation I was running Debian and just followed the instructions at https://github.com/home-assistant/supervised-installer. No problems at all!

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@north rock If I go to a containers setup, and let's say I want to add the equivalent to Z-Wave JS UI add on. How would I do that? Do you have some pointers for me to read?

humble mirage
tough sky
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Oh, yes. It's all there. Thank you!!
My wife wont be happy with me tinkering with the machines all day again! Hahaha!

radiant sundial
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tinkering all day is what gives other people free time 😄

gusty cedar
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Hello. I'm switching from SD to SDD on my Pi 3B. It's running into issues when I try to load my backup. I can no longer access it. I'm thinking it has to do with DuckDNS being installed?

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I flashed the SSD with a blank home assistant OS using the RPi imager. It boots fine, and I'm able to access that via the url. But once I upload the backup it doesn't work on http or https or the DNS address I have.

gusty cedar
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Looks like I will have to start over. At least I have all my automations and such backed up. Just can't backup from the .tar because that breaks the network stuff.

brittle sail
gusty cedar
brittle sail
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Well there’s always the possibility to plug in a keyboard and monitor to a pi lol

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Otherwise yolo I guess

gusty cedar
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Ah, I can do that. What's the command to reboot it? Lemme guess, "reboot"?

brittle sail
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Idk on haos command line it should be in the docs

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ha reboot now

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Maybe

gusty cedar
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Okay, thanks. How do I know if the restore was successful?

brittle sail
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How long are you giving it after a restore

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Is it pingable after a while?

gusty cedar
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I'll just have to try again...

brittle sail
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Maybe you didn’t give it long enough

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Is it a big restore with a lot of addons?

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How big is your backup file?

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Are you backing up and restoring from and to the same versions? This shouldn’t matter I’m just asking

gusty cedar
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I have to go, but thanks for the tips.
I had a monitor plugged in while it ran the restore, but it stopped at "searching USB bus" or something like that...

It's about 100MB.

brittle sail
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K then I’d expect it to be fast

gusty cedar
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Yours just came online no problem? Did you have a DNS set up?

brittle sail
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I have nginxproxymanager running on my server redirecting a subdomain to hass on my lan

tough sky
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Well, I finally managed to make the VM boot automatically when you have more than 1 serial port:

  • Edit the file /mnt/boot/EFI/BOOT/grub.cfg and insert the following lines at the beginning:
terminal_input console
terminal_output console
set timeout_style=countdown
set timeout=1

This will make GRUB to use the EFI console and ignore the serial ports.

hard skiff
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Does anyone know how to force the HA app to connect using a self made SSL certificate? According to prior feature requests this is supposedly implemented as long as the cert is added to the phone but I'm still getting an untrusted cert error

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To clarify, I can connect securely from my browser, just not through the app, and I'm after some features that need the app

radiant sundial
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remotely or locally? o.O

hard skiff
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Locally, it's good security practice to still secure these things in case another device on the network gets compromised

radiant sundial
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oh wait duckdns seems to support txt challenges so you could just use that with letsencrypt for valid cert

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or if you own your own domain of course

obtuse cradle
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I FIGURED IT OUT after giving up for a few months and taking another crack at it this week. Started noticing that I was having issues connecting to the Home Assistant virtual machine anywhere other than the local computer that the VM was running on.....

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Turns out I hadn't allowed the VM's network adapter to connect to anything beyond the local computer on my network. No wonder it didn't detect any devices. 🤦

open chasm
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Is there a stable way to install HA in my house and at the same time HA in for example google cloud? So if HA device in my house will be broken, then it will switch to cloud by automate.

In other words I am thinking what I can do, to not go into trouble when HA device in my house will break.

On the other hand if HA will break, then there will be no connection with Matter and Thread anyway.

So... what is the best possible solution to run HA to be resistant to hardware / software fail?

humble mirage
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Don't run it on a Pi, take backups, don't use smart bulbs

open chasm
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I am asking about solution for running 2 HA at the same time to be resistant for failing one.

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1 server can fail because of update / hardware / someone crash it with hammer / whatever. But smart home can't die 🙂

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so the idea is to have one in home and second in cloud. The one in home is to make network fast. The one in cloud to make it reliable.

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Does HA support this?

low notch
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ha does not support this, you can make it work however

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the first problem to solve is still your machine at home. make it stable and you are fine, no need for a second machine

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next problems would be devices that do not support multiple ha installations and you will bang your head against the wall

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you are pretty much setting yourself up for failure this way, only because you want to prevent that in the first place

hexed mirage
gray vapor
robust cypress
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good evening

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I am installing at Linux AntiX

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I am having a problem with os-agent

radiant sundial
grand pivot
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Only Debian is supported. It looks like that's just based on Debian. I suggest avoiding the Supervised install method entirely

robust cypress
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do you have a step by step?

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please

radiant sundial
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you can use the HAOS image?

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what kind of hardware are you even using

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(and what else are you going to use it for...)

humble scaffoldBOT
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@robust cypress I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
robust cypress
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i do not know how to fix it

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please, can you help me?

fair spindle
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The method of installation you are using (Supervised) is not compatible with antiX, which does not use systemd. Use the HAOS or Container installation methods instead.

raven forge
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Where are you installing this on?

robust cypress
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do you have a script file to send , please?

grand pivot
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You're not answering any questions

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Or following instructions

fair spindle
robust cypress
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sorry, I am dummy

raven forge
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Then supervised is not for you

robust cypress
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root@antix1:~# apt install docker-compose
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
E: The package os-agent needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.

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trying to instal using docker

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again os-agent errot

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error

raven forge
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Remove it first

robust cypress
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I tried

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doesn´t works

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os-agent --remove

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root@antix1:~# os-agent --remove
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 main.go:31: Start OS-Agent 1.2.2
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 main.go:120: Exposing object /io/hass/os with interface io.hass.os ...
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 main.go:64: Listening on service io.hass.os ...
WARNING: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 datadisk.go:97: Can't find a data mount!
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 datadisk.go:145: Exposing object /io/hass/os/DataDisk with interface io.hass.os.DataDisk ...
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 system.go:132: Exposing object /io/hass/os/System with interface io.hass.os.System ...
WARNING: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 apparmor.go:30: exec: "apparmor_parser": executable file not found in $PATH
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 apparmor.go:114: Exposing object /io/hass/os/AppArmor with interface io.hass.os.AppArmor ...
INFO: 2023/04/09 23:24:42 cgroup.go:82: Exposing object /io/hass/os/CGroup with interface io.hass.os.CGroup ...

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nothing happens since these messages appears

radiant sundial
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o.o

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you're not listening.

raven forge
radiant sundial
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docker-compose isn't even necessary anymore

robust cypress
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root@antix1:~# dpkg -r os-agent
dpkg: error processing package os-agent (--remove):
package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should
reinstall it before attempting a removal
Errors were encountered while processing:
os-agent
root@antix1:~#

radiant sundial
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I'm gonna exit the conversation

robust cypress
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please, help me

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don´t go

radiant sundial
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to a certain extent I think he's just trolling

robust cypress
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no I am not

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I am dumb

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for sure

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sorry

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please, write the commands and I will reply with the system answer

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I think you don´t know how to fix

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like myself

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@radiant sundial

raven forge
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It's probably best if you google for the package is in a very bad inconsistent state; you should reinstall it before attempting a removal message

manic bane
manic bane
# robust cypress I am dumb

Then use HAOS. You're not listening for people trying to help
Its akin to being told to drive straight ahead and you turn left into a brick wall, and instead of stopping, keep accelerating to go through all the gardens in your neighbourhood

brittle sail
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rip granny's flowers

radiant sundial
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unless you're saying it's an extra package. but maybe it auto installed

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anyhow neither here nor there lol

grand pivot
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It's part of the newer docker install

manic bane
dawn sigil
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Hey there, trying to get HA installed on a windows pc using Hyper V but it seems like its not pulling my IP making the site inaccessible. Any ideas?

copper steppe
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Sounds like you need some hyperv config to allow the VM to bridge to your LAN in order to get a dhcp address?

dawn sigil
dawn sigil
copper steppe
dawn sigil
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Yea everything seems to work until the "start up your virtual machine" step.

copper steppe
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Is your dhcpd server configured to be super uptight about giving away dhcp leases? I don't know what the "allow management... blah" setting does. Try turning that off?

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fwiw wireless is not a good long-term option, way more reliable to be wired.

dawn sigil
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Let me switch to ethernet and see if anything changes

copper steppe
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Did you make a "generation 2" VM? Sorry I haven't touched windows in many many years

dawn sigil
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No worries at all!

Yea it is gen 2

copper steppe
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You may need to make IP static, that would remove dhcpd from the equation

dawn sigil
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Already static on the server I'm running it on 🙂

copper steppe
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Yeah, but the VM is like a whole new machine; need to make that static too

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It looks like another PC on the LAN

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(that's what bridge mode is)

dawn sigil
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Hmm, okay let me dig into network configs and do that

copper steppe
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it's mentioned in the thread you linked

dawn sigil
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Looks like the networks settings for the bridge inherited the static ip I set for the server. Tried to give it a unique one and it dropped my rdc, gonna have to connect a monitor and stuff to get reconnected

toxic cedar
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I just did an upgrade from 9.4 to 9.5, let it hang for a while, then realized HA was offline. I tried giving it more time, rebooting via manual power disconnect, and I still can't seem to get in. I'm also not seeing it via my router. Is there anything I can do short of connecting it to a display to see what's going on?

raven forge
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If it doesn't even get a ip there's little you can do remotely

toxic cedar
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Kinda figured. 😕

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If HA fails to upgrade, does it fall back on previous working state?

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Oh wait, I'm actually getting an IP now. Still can't reach it through a browser though. Any ideas?

raven forge
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You could try visiting http://yourhaip:4357 but that's not really all that useful

toxic cedar
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Eh, no dice. Guess I'll just hook it up tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestions.

delicate iris
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I majorly screwed up:

Went to upgrade, my main folder was /homeassistant/config on an ubuntu box. I am running HA in a Docker Container. I created a backup at /homeassistantbak. I stopped the Docker Container. THen I updated it by pulling the latest docker version, and updated using the following command:

docker run -d --name homeassistant --restart=unless-stopped --privileged -e TZ=America/New_York -v /homeassistant:/config --network=host ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:latest

This caused the files in the original directory to no longer work, and everytime I try and substitute in the backed up files, home assistant seems to overwrite them.

I then tried reverting back to the original version:
docker run -d --name homeassistant --restart=unless-stopped --privileged -e TZ=America/New_York -v /homeassistant:/config --network=host ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:2022.11

That also did not work.

Any ideas?

grand pivot
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Don't use latest, use stable

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And 2022.11 is almost 6 months old

copper steppe
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if your config is in /homeassistant/config shouldn't you be mounting /homeassistant/config:/config ?

delicate iris
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yes i know i was trying to restore to 2022.11

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That fixed it

delicate iris
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and now i am on latest

copper steppe
#

Win

dawn sigil
manic bane
small marsh
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I currently have a NUK

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I have just booted from a home assistant os usb

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however i think the nuk already had some os or smth installed, how could i remove the other partition or whatever that is on the nuk

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also can i unplug the usb for the next boot ?

gloomy reef
#

Anyway to check how much space is left in HassOS? I decided to use frigate a few weeks ago. It is not stop working and i suspect storage space issue. Couldn't figure out how much space is left on the system though

tender dock
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Settings -> System -> Storage

humble mirage
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however i think the nuk already had some

harsh marsh
#

Bonjour, test, je suis nouveau, ceci est mon premier message.

humble mirage
#

English please @harsh marsh

tropic onyx
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has anyone encountered this ? the home assistant is still not ready since I've been installing for one hour. But the log says System autofix complete. should I keep on waiting or what?

gloomy reef
open chasm
open chasm
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also software update can break things

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I was thinking about kind of the solution where device looking ha.network and network connect it with HA in my home or in cloud

humble mirage
#

In the last 3 years I've had no unexpected breaking changes with HA - no upgrade has failed and surprised me. Even before then if it did rolling back was trivial.

open chasm
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in theory in that way there should be no issue with device which can be connect to only 1 HA, because this 2 HA should be mirrored

humble mirage
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There's forum threads on High Availability - a lot of people trying to build something that works

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Turns out to be non-trivial...

open chasm
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it is not trivial

humble mirage
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Thank goodness there's backups and the ability to roll back...

open chasm
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if HA doesn't support mirroring HA it is very not trivial

humble mirage
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That also overlooks the challenges of Zigbee and Z-Wave coordinators

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The last time I'd any outage of my HA was back when I ran it on a Pi, since moving to decent hardware I've had no outages longer than the time it takes to restart HA (a minute or less)

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The longest outage of anything I've had was when I used a CC2531 Zigbee coordinator, and it crashed

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That didn't take down HA, just my Zigbee devices, until I reset the stick. Having upgraded to something better than a potato that's no longer a problem.

open chasm
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I understand why we can say it is bad idea because it is hard and HA doesn't support this. But convincing me by saying "my device didn't break", so your "device will not break" is kind of a strange way of discussion. I don't agree with your statement. My IT experience show things always break. This is only probability. Even the best quality hardware or software.

humble mirage
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I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm saying that:

  1. It's non-trivial
  2. The probability of software failure you can't trivially revert is zero
  3. The probability of hardware failure depends on your hardware choices
  4. A second system you can restore your backup to resolves most of (3)
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FWIW last time I migrated my HA install between hosts I had a downtime of about a minute, same time as it takes to restart HA plus about 10 more seconds for the file copy

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There's plenty of forum threads to give you guidance on what works, and what doesn't, and where most of the common pain points are

open chasm
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I understand. I am just saying backup doesn't apply to my question and needs. This is other story.

humble mirage
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Part of the solution is designing the rest of your hardware to work if/when HA is down. That's why I recommend against smart bulbs and instead smart swiches/dimmers and dumb bulbs (or Tasmota switches and Tasmota bulbs).

hexed mirage
manic bane
queen bronze
#

Occasionally HA will run into a problem and the supervisor recognizes this but then fails to restart HA:

ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.misc.tasks] Watchdog found a problem with Home Assistant API!
[...]
ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.misc.tasks] Home Assistant watchdog reanimation failed!

Is there some way I can troubleshoot what's going on? I believe it has something to do with the docker container, because killing the container itself fails as well.

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This can be observed when I try to manually restart core:

Error: Can't restart ghcr.io/home-assistant/qemux86-64-homeassistant: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/containers/8452919e3c29f3cb1c438c8e7a3dd287ddb93d60bb8aa9101f1aa16cfdf17398/restart?t=240: Internal Server Error ("Cannot restart container 8452919e3c29f3cb1c438c8e7a3dd287ddb93d60bb8aa9101f1aa16cfdf17398: tried to kill container, but did not receive an exit event")
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I end up having to restart the system, but would like to know what's going on here.

celest quartz
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Hi, why do these errors show up in the logs, sometimes? Isn't supervisor internal to HAOS?

Source: components/hassio/__init__.py:516
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: April 9, 2023 at 2:15:59 AM (3 occurrences)
Last logged: 10:12:57 AM

Can't read Supervisor data:
# 
Source: components/hassio/handler.py:48
Integration: Home Assistant Supervisor (documentation, issues)
First occurred: April 9, 2023 at 2:15:58 AM (15 occurrences)
Last logged: 10:12:57 AM

Timeout on /info request
Timeout on /store request
Timeout on /core/info request
Timeout on /supervisor/info request
Timeout on /os/info request
humble mirage
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It's another container

gilded pewter
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I just reinstalled a backup. core on a PI4 (killed every network connection) and now my addons are running. (according to the logs of the addons) but they are grey in the gui.

brittle sail
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It’s not obvious that it’s required after a restore. I’m not sure why it doesn’t just reboot automatically if it’s a requirement

gilded pewter
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oke lets see what happens.

brittle sail
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Oh it’s core not haos? Core has addons?

gilded pewter
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eum hass

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haos....

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bad in names of stuff

smoky mauve
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Im stuck on the onboarding page of Home Assistant

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Thats something

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that spot where it shows philips hue, chromecast and asks if you wanna add it already but there was a button that said "more.." I pressed that. The webpage got darker and did nothing.

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after waiting minutes I just refreshed the page, it asked me to login again, I did. now I am still on onboarding.html page but see just the logo with text.

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ill delete the cookies see if that does something

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it does not, ill open it in incognito mode

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incognito works, I am where I choose the devices and services again. this time ill just press finish.

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Okay I guess I fixed it, still weird. Also fixed it for the none incognito chrome page.

frank perch
half shuttle
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I ran HA for 2 years now, but never properly organized backing up to another device from my Raspberry Pi. I see backup files were created all the time to /backup which I can copy to my computer using Samba. But I'm surprised how small my files are. A manual forced backup is only 80 Mb. Google teaches me about users reporting 1,8 Gb files. Am I on the right track?

crude inlet
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@half shuttle those are likely backups when you updated individual add-ons. You should create a full manual backup of your own to be safe

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If that is what you did and it is 80Mb, then I guess you keep a clean install 🙂 How big is your db file?

raven forge
half shuttle
half shuttle
lunar cloak
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hello - I'm trying to migrate from a supervised install on debian to proxmox but my full backup is failing to upload properly, i've examined the tar file and I can see stuff in there, is there way to restore core first, then the add-ons ? Thanks.

humble mirage
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Are you trying to upload the backup in the UI?

lunar cloak
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yes

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is there another way ? I'm very new to proxmox

humble mirage
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If it's over 1 GB then you should use Samba inistead

lunar cloak
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oh cool., install the SMB add on and copy it over ?

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backup is 9GB 😄

half shuttle
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So nice example here, how come my backup is only 80 Mb, instead of 9 Gb mentioned here?

lunar cloak
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I have about 12 add ons for a start

brittle sail
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it's probably influxdb with a bunch of history

north aspen
#

Hope I'm the correct chat. HA is not starting up on my RP3+ today. Plugged in a monitor and it shows Home Assistant CLI not starting! Jump into emergency console.... I googled and found peeps say to type "login" but that results in the same error

raven forge
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A picture would probably be helpful

lost jasper
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Hello,
I flashed HAOS on a 64GB SD, Odroid XU4.
HA comes up with ""Waiting for Supervisor to startup..." and then the screen disappeared.
Any idea what can I do?

humble mirage
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You access HA using your web browser

lost jasper
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Oh wow, I feel stupid 🤦‍♂️ . For some reason I expected to see an operating system a browser over the desktop
Thank you!

robust cypress
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good evening

#

i install HA using docker

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after install docker and try to run I received this error message

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bash: docker: command not found

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please, can you give a tip ?

raven forge
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How and on what hardware did you install docker?

robust cypress
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using command:
sudo apt install docker-compose

#

good evening
i install HA using docker
after install docker and try to run I received this error message
using command:
sudo apt install docker-compose
bash: docker: command not found
please, can you give a tip ?

raven forge
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Did that sudo apt install docker-compose command run successfully? What happens if you run it again?

robust cypress
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everything shows up fine

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no errors

raven forge
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What does dpkg -l | grep -E "docker|container" say?

robust cypress
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I am called docker using this command:
docker run -d

radiant sundial
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are you still using an unsupported os?

robust cypress
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yes I am using Anti X

raven forge
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It might not put docker inside a directory that's inside your $PATH. But that would be strange. I'm not familiar with that OS

robust cypress
raven forge
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Well, docker-compose is not docker. Debian installs docker as a dependency of docker-compose but antix might not. Try to install docker itself and don't shorten outputs of commands please. I want the full thing

radiant sundial
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I don't think you want anything to do with his situation if you scroll back in the chat

robust cypress
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I installed using sudo apt install docker

robust cypress
raven forge
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Just show me the command's output 👺
You can do something like this find / -type f -executable -name 'docker'.
Also check dpkg -S bin/docker. You might have to install the cli package specifically.
Why exactly are you using a niche distro to run your services unless you're somewhat of an expert?

robust cypress
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I using anti X because the computer is very poor

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very poor processor and memory

raven forge
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I doubt it runs that much faster than plain debian

brittle sail
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Ya definitely not

robust cypress
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the computer I installed antiX has atom processor and 2GB of memory

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and anti X are runnig ver smooth

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very nice

robust cypress
robust cypress
raven forge
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apt list | grep ^docker

robust cypress
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2% of CPU

radiant sundial
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in before libseccomp isn't compatible with that distro

raven forge
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My pretty much vanilla debian VM uses 151M with docker installed and < 100M with its services stopped 🤷
Distrohopping is fun but running a niche OS means less or no help and potential compatibility issues/bugs

robust cypress
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I will

radiant sundial
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lol

raven forge
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This is neither the place nor do I know what you want to know. Run apt list | grep ^docker to see the docker related packages available
My guess is you have to install the cli related one(s)

robust cypress
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i am dumb man

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I am sorry

robust cypress
robust cypress
# raven forge `apt list | grep ^docker`

docker-clean/stable,stable 2.0.4-3 all
docker-compose/stable,stable,now 1.25.0-1 all [installed]
docker-doc/stable,stable 20.10.5+dfsg1-1+deb11u2 all
docker-registry/stable 2.7.1+ds2-7+b6 amd64
docker-registry/stable 2.7.1+ds2-7+b6 i386
docker.io/stable 20.10.5+dfsg1-1+deb11u2 amd64
docker.io/stable 20.10.5+dfsg1-1+deb11u2 i386
docker2aci/stable 0.17.2+dfsg-2.1+b5 amd64
docker2aci/stable 0.17.2+dfsg-2.1+b5 i386
docker/stable,stable,now 1.5-2 all [installed]

radiant sundial
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lol is that docker from 2018

raven forge
radiant sundial
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oh no I mean the one installed at the last line

robust cypress
robust cypress
raven forge
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I think I'll install myself a antix VM. This is bugging me. Try to install docker.io in the mean time

radiant sundial
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I mean this is like "follow the docker install guide for your system" kind of level

robust cypress
robust cypress
raven forge
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Officially docker doesn't support antix. At least it looks like they don't provide packages but I'm sure there's other instructions to be found

robust cypress
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new error message when I try to run docker

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just a moment I am trying to put the message here

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docker run -d \

--name homeassistant
--privileged
--restart=unless-stopped
-e TZ=America/Sao_Paulo
-v /root/homeassistant:/config
--network=host
ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable
docker: Got permission denied while trying to connect to the Docker daemon socket at unix:///var/run/docker.sock: Post "http://%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fdocker.sock/v1.24/containers/create?name=homeassistant": dial unix /var/run/docker.sock: connect: permission denied.
See 'docker run --help'.

raven forge
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Try to run it as root. Make sure the service is started as well

robust cypress
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I think it works

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oh my god

raven forge
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If you would've omitted the -d you'd know for sure. You should also use a compose file. That's why you installed compose, no?

robust cypress
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@raven forge you are a genius

raven forge
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And they tell you instructions for a compose file. You can also run docker logs -f homeassistant or docker ps

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@robust cypress I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
robust cypress
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what does it means?

raven forge
#

it
What are you referring to specifically?

robust cypress
#

I mean the HA is downloading to my machine ?

raven forge
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It's in the process of downloading the layers of the homeassistant image

robust cypress
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Thank you man

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you are very good person

raven forge
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docker isn't even docker related: https://packages.debian.org/en/bullseye/docker. I wasn't sure if antix re-uses debian packages or packages stuff on their own.
The trick would have been to do apt install docker-compose --install-recommends. It would have installed docker.io for you as well

robust cypress
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very nice

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I am write the steps

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These are the steps to install HA using docker at linux Anti X 22?

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:

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These are the steps to install HA using docker at linux Anti X 22:

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1- sudo apt-get update
2- sudo apt-get upgrade -y
3- sudo apt install docker-compose (or use this command: sudo apt install docker-compose --install-recommends)
4- sudo apt install docker.io
5- Play as root:
docker run -d
--name homeassistant
--privileged
--restart=unless-stopped
-e TZ=America/Sao_Paulo
-v /root/homeassistant:/config
--network=host
ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

robust cypress
humble mirage
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it would be better update my docker

lunar cloak
small marsh
#

How can I install WiFi on my HAOS

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It's currently installed on a NUC using Ethernet

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However I want to be able to move my NUC so that I can pair using my zigbee controller

humble mirage
#

When you say move your NUC, you mean move and leave there or move and move back again?

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Because you really shouldn't be moving your coordinator around, that's just going to fuck up your Zigbee mesh

half shuttle
manic bane
small marsh
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My network is using CGNAT so therefore I cannot port forward home assistant to expose it to the outside world. I want to make remote access possible (with SSL) primarily to make google assistant work with my installation.

Are there any free alternatives to port forwarding? I know Nabu Casa is an option and I am considering that, but any outside of paid cloud services?

empty bloom
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Cloudflare tunnel

small marsh
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zerotier woudlnt work right

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it would work for remote access but not google

empty bloom
#

right, that's why I said "scratch Zerotier"

small marsh
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yea i was agreeing

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anyway

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im interested in cf tunnel definitely

empty bloom
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just don't stream video

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or you'll get banned

small marsh
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oh

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?

empty bloom
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it's in their TOS

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and they enforce

small marsh
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ok

empty bloom
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regardless if you pay or not

small marsh
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so i wouldnt be able to like stream a security camera or doorbell feed

empty bloom
#

right

small marsh
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to home assistant

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well i could

empty bloom
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just not remotely

small marsh
#

but just never access it outside of the network?

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yes ok

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i cant test cf freely rn

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bc the website that a tutorial uses

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doesnt work anymore

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freenom

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I will probably just buy a cheap domain from somewhere soon

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but it would be nice to test

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Are there any recommendations for cheap domains?

brittle sail
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First year free for app or dev TLD

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otherwise namecheap or just buy from cloudflare directly if it’s a .com

small marsh
#

okay

#

ty

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@verbal wasp I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
tender dock
#

do you have both sdcard and usb ssd plugged in for that boot?

verbal wasp
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yeah, i used the regfular move datadisk funtion in the ui

tender dock
#

no idea, I never used that. do you have a backup saved?

verbal wasp
#

yes, but if I restore and try again, I assume nothing will change.

tender dock
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if you have a backup, just flash a new installation on the ssd and restore to that.

verbal wasp
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ok I can give that a shot. Why would that make a difference out of curiosity?

tender dock
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there's no need to keep the sdcard. the ssd is much faster and more reliable.

small marsh
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doesnt cloudflare do everything

brittle sail
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Cuz namecheap has $2 random domains but .com is cheaper on cloudflare or around the same price

verbal wasp
humble mirage
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Probably because booting directly from the SSD is relatively new

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(and not supported on all Pis)

tender dock
#

oh, yeah, there was a bit of a struggle getting my pi to boot off an ssd years ago.. needed some sort of eeprom flash IIRC

brittle sail
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Pi4 have shipped with updated bootloader since before people ignored a global pandemic lol

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But ya it used to be painful

humble mirage
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Yeah, the Pi4 is fine, but anything older ... not always

grand pivot
#

I'm booting from SD on my Pi3b that I use for z-stuff and BTLE because compatibility seemed uncertain. And I doubt my SD card will fail as a boot device, and it's trivial to replace if it does

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Flash image, change boot partition

brittle sail
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If it’s not a 3b+ then no option to boot from ssd iirc

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Damn pi foundation and their naming schemes

hexed mirage
brittle sail
#

They pity those under king sausage fingers

verbal wasp
#

is there a good guide to installing and setting up HA directly from USB SSDs without sd cards at all?

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afaik if you flash the image to a USB SSD the pi still won't look for a boot device over usb

humble mirage
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Depends on the model of Pi

brittle sail
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If it’s a pi4 with updated bootloader yes it will

humble mirage
#

Pi3b+ you just need to boot it with a special SD card (Google has the details)

brittle sail
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It’s built into the raspi imager now

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They made it dummy proof

humble mirage
#

And yet... I bet there's still people that fail

verbal wasp
#

ok, how do I know if my pi4 has the updated bootloader?

brittle sail
#

Why no google

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Or bing it

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Lmao such a terrible name

humble mirage
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You could Yahoo it... assuming they're still in the search business

brittle sail
#

Hey bro did you bing that thing I told you about

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Ya bro I binged it so hard

tender dock
humble mirage
verbal wasp
#

i'm binging so hard right now

wooden ravine
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/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/init.py:91: RequestsDependencyWarning: urllib3 (1.26.15) or chardet (3.0.4) doesn't match a supported version!

humble mirage
#

You need to use Bullseye

wooden ravine
#

Oh 😦

humble mirage
#

I've no idea why you'd deliberately use an outdated OS

wooden ravine
#

Bullseye is not booting properly on raspberry pi 3

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Sometimes it is freezing on bootload

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That is why I decided to use old os

humble mirage
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I've got a few Pi3s and all are running Bullseye

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You've most likely got either a power problem, or an SD card problem, or both

radiant sundial
#

huh

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I've got bullseye on rpi too

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I have it on the original rpi ... as in version 1

wooden ravine
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I use lcd display connected to it

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Can I use 64bits version or better 32 ?

radiant sundial
humble mirage
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On a Pi3 ... who cares

radiant sundial
#

I'd stick to 32 bit on pi3

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no ram benefit

humble mirage
#

Your problem is 99.99999999999999% likely to be power

radiant sundial
#

yeah you need 3 amp+

humble mirage
#

It could also be broken hardware, but I'd bet on power

radiant sundial
#

check dmesg

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it'll spit voltage warnings

humble mirage
#

Well, if it's hanging on boot...

wooden ravine
#

Dmseg ?

radiant sundial
#

oh true...

humble mirage
#

The Pi3 is the minimum spec for HA, you should switch to something less shit

radiant sundial
#

any reason you're using docker compose vs haos?

humble mirage
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That display won't work with HAOS

radiant sundial
#

oh I see

wooden ravine
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Using haos with lcd no utility yeah

radiant sundial
#

that guide looks outdated too. (since docker compose comes with docker now)

wooden ravine
#

Oh directly

radiant sundial
#

it's docker compose (new) vs docker-compose (old)

humble mirage
wooden ravine
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By freezing I mean the little underscore white is displayed but nothing happen

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It is only when I reboot after first install

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Ok I see

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I use official power supply 😦

burnt orchid
#

power suplly issues are horrible with PIs, because they fail without letting us knwo why. When you add the LCD you make it draw even a bit more. Maybe try the isntall without the LCD?

humble mirage
#

The official power supply can still fail to provide enough power

wooden ravine
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It is 2.5A

radiant sundial
#

yeah like I said 3A+

wooden ravine
#

Shit

#

Sorry

radiant sundial
#

is it 3B or 3B+?

wooden ravine
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Written 3B v1.2

radiant sundial
#

ah okay

humble mirage
#

At least it wasn't an A

wooden ravine
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Have one in a box somewhere 😅

humble mirage
#

Leave it there 😉

radiant sundial
#

lol just run something like pihole on it. np

wooden ravine
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3A or more ?

humble mirage
#

It needs to be a proper USB power supply, not a generic phone charger

wooden ravine
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Ok I will see what I have here

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Thx a lot ^^

brittle sail
#

do you have a 3d printer?

radiant sundial
#

seems like I might be thinking about the pi3 that's 3 amps, the older seems to be 2.5 amps recommended minimum. either way best to try a better power supply since power problems are pretty wacky

brittle sail
#

if so, you can use that pi3 to control a 3d printer and buy a better device to run home assistant 😛

wooden ravine
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3d printer will be later on 😅

frank perch
#

since my rpi isn't supported anymore my HA has been down lol

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I'm trying to get it running on a miniPC but it won't boot

radiant sundial
#

isn't supported anymore?

humble mirage
#

Were you running on an original Pi/Pi Zero?

frank perch
#

yes I was Tink

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an original pi

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I started with HA when that was basically recommended hardware lol

radiant sundial
#

oh

frank perch
#

I have a couple mini PC's I tried to get to boot with it but none of them will

humble mirage
#

You can run Container on the original Pi... probably

#

I mean, that 0.5 GB of RAM is going to be an issue, never mind the fact that my toaster has a faster CPU

frank perch
#

I don't have a bunch of crazy integrations

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I have an Acer Eepc I was trying, and a lenovo q190

radiant sundial
#

the original pi takes like 5 min to apt update

frank perch
#

neither boot HAOS from the sata SSD for some reason

humble mirage
#

You can run Debian + Container on them though 😉

radiant sundial
#

lol

frank perch
#

I mean container doesn't have addons tho right?

#

and yes they boot debian flawlessly

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lol

humble mirage
#

No, but .... so what?

frank perch
#

Ive been spoiled by them and it's what I know

humble mirage
#

Well... you could get HA up and running again without them in the time we've been talking about it 😛

frank perch
#

I was just gonna save up for a NUC at this point

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but I need one for my mom's house too

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it just sucks I got 2 pi's that I can't use for HA anymore

brittle sail
#

you can resell them for crack

burnt orchid
#

how much ram in that q190?

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install base ubuntu/debian and haos as KVM

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that's what i do on a Wyse5070 and it's awesome

frank perch
burnt orchid
#

i'd give it a go. it's easy

frank perch
#

I hadn't thought of that

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actually

burnt orchid
#

plus you can run mini VMs or containers on the host OS

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for other small services

radiant sundial
#

use the pi as a remote access device in case you gotta fix the home assistant at your mom's place remotely 😄

frank perch
#

oh I'm very comfortable in linux, I've been using it for so many years

frank perch
#

lol

radiant sundial
#

haha

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well that works

frank perch
#

but physically going there involves a flight

radiant sundial
#

ooo I see

frank perch
#

or a really long boat ride

burnt orchid
#

and wonder why it isn't coming out - print 36 copies before calling me

radiant sundial
#

lol

frank perch
#

you have no idea how close you are to the truth

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lmfao

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I print things to her printer all the time for her

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I have some lightbulbs I need to get sorted out for her and a new box of plugs

burnt orchid
#

back on topic - i'm confident the KVM solution will work

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and will run well

frank perch
#

I don't normally do kvm, but virtualbox

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but I'll try it out

radiant sundial
#

that's supported too I think

frank perch
#

I think I read someplace it is

radiant sundial
#

I was gonna try virtualization but my poor atom CPU doesn't have it

frank perch
#

yeah that's the issue with the Acer EEEPC I have now

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it's dual core atom

radiant sundial
#

I'm just using an old board from the nas I was running. close enough I guess. though it's overkill in ram

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I think I have 32gb ECC ram in there

burnt orchid
radiant sundial
#

yeah it's currently sitting at 3GB / 32 used

burnt orchid
frank perch
#

you don't need GUI for virtual box lol

burnt orchid
#

The best tool is always the one you know how to use 🙂

frank perch
#

preferably I'd have it on a esxi host but I'm trying to cut my electricity bill

radiant sundial
#

Maybe I should just buy more hardware and then take out some ram

twin oak
#

I'm probably missing something silly. I've got HASSOS running in a proxmox vm and attempting to use tteck's scripts to install zigbee2mqtt in a privileged container, but I can't figure out how to actually change the container type selection... Highlighting and press enter doesn't work and just keeps the unprivileged selection.

humble mirage
#

Z2M doesn't need to be privileged, mine isn't

twin oak
#

I just wanted to be lazy and take advantage of the auto USB passthrough 🤣

still schooner
#

Anyone put HA on a Xeon based system?

humble mirage
#

What's the actual question?

still schooner
#

Just wondering if it can even run on a Xeon CPU as according to the install you need a UEFI Bios & don't think they got that.

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Been offered an old Xeon server for free, so ya know why not eh?

humble mirage
#

You can run HA itself on just about anything

#

HAOS may not boot, but you could run HAOS in a VM if you wanted that

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Otherwise... Docker all the way

still schooner
#

Right now I've had HA on a RPi & a few VM's. All of them had their own little issues in one way shape or form. My main thing now is I'm trying to be as cheap as possible. So want to reuse the RPi to drive 2 displays instead of no display from HAOS.

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I'm on the verge of getting various stuff for free, including a few touch screens, a xeon rackmount server & an old gaming PC.

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So repurpose, reuse. Be nice to get the Xeon running my file server, print server, HA & Shoutcast

humble mirage
#

Should be zero issues doing that

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Worst case slap on vSphere (free) or Proxmox

still schooner
#

I'll give it a go in a few weeks once I get the server. Right now I'm toying around with an old AMD Dual Core Lenovo C205, one that actually does contain a touchscreen, most don't.

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Only thing any good on the entire all in one system, is the actual screen and touchscreen. Rest is slow as hell, even an SSD didn't help, lol

copper steppe
#

Run haos on a vm or docker. Run all your other dual screen stuff on host with whatever distribution you want. Haos is not a general purpose os

still schooner
#

Thanks for the suggestion, already tried going that route. The Pi chokes when driving dual screens at full tilt. Makes HA ignore alot of stuff. Hence, thinking moving HA from RPi to a proper server 😉

copper steppe
#

Yes, rpi is gutless. If you don't need "too much", then things like thinkcentre m910q have 2-3 displayports, 2.4ghz i5 cpu, SSD+m.2, etc. For about US$100 used.

#

What server are you getting?

#

HA itself (if you're not doing frigate / image processing) doesn't require much

still schooner
#

Xeon Quad Core, not sure on speed tbh

hexed mirage
#

Use rpi (rpi4b) is headless mode and use that minimal OS - it performs better

still schooner
#

The RPi actually handles my other use perfectly when that's all it's doing. Add in HA & things stop working.

radiant sundial
#

stops working?

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what kind of pi and what do you mean stops working

leaden kindle
#

Not sure if it would be here or in general. But has someone made a H.A. Kiosk? I have a spare touchscreen laptop I was going to use for it

still schooner
#

RPi4B, Lights fail to respond, Nest Screens go blank or fail to update to changes, list goes on. I know the cause & it's not HA 😉

brittle sail
leaden kindle
brittle sail
#

it's 2023 we do whitebox nas builds now

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dell can keep their old power hungry dual xeon bullshit

leaden kindle
#

granted I got all my servers for free

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So I can't complain lol

brittle sail
#

i have two servers with old power hungry dual xeon bullshit

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doesnt mean i should suggest them to others in 2023 tho

still schooner
#

I'm still running my old Core 2 Duo server with 2GB Ram, bout 1.6Ghz CPU, lol

brittle sail
#

put that thing out of its misery

still schooner
#

Plus I'm getting a Xeon Server for free, so why not eh?

leaden kindle
still schooner
#

Old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Thats the motto for my old server, lol

brittle sail
leaden kindle
leaden kindle
brittle sail
#

android tablet or purpose built device with a touchscreen and android os on it

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yep

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lots of options

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requires android OS tho

leaden kindle
#

its a dell laptop lol

brittle sail
#

well there's alternative installs i think

still schooner
#

infobeamer is what I use with a RPi. Stupid fast boot time to a web page you preconfig. No option to change URL either

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5 to 10 sec from power on, to page display

brittle sail
#

well it's called 'fully kiosk browser' but it can launch an app instead of a webui

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most run it on an old android tablet and get the benefits of camera that acts as a motion sensor to turn screen on

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for a laptop it's gonna be way more diy

still schooner
#

dunno if you guys spotted, but I mentioned earlier about a Lenovo C205 touchscreen I got for free..... Well... it's useless as it's too old.

leaden kindle
still schooner
#

Laptop I'm currently on is a 2011 Asus i5 dual core thing, lol

leaden kindle
#

Honestly that might still be better then the laptop lol

brittle sail
#

have you thought about robbing a bank and replacing some of your tech?

leaden kindle
#

I got a legion 5 that I was able to talk my wife into letting me use

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buy*

still schooner
#

Yeah, but then the tech isn't much use inside a cell

#

Actually trying to change jobs to get some more cash rolling in

leaden kindle
copper steppe
#

imho there's more money in IT/cloud than programming; programming will be quite impacted by AI etc

leaden kindle
copper steppe
#

Dev might be ok for side-gig, but IT (cloud in particular) seems to be slightly more future-proof.

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imho of course; I may be biased because I'm an ex-dev now doing cloud/it devops blah

leaden kindle
copper steppe
#

Subscription software totally sucks. I'm talking about IT/hosting/apps/blah.

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ie AWS/GCP/Azure

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I hate the cloud for 90% of end-user stuff. Hence I'm a HA/local guy 🙂

leaden kindle
copper steppe
#

Of course. But paying for hardware + datacenters costs $ too. TCO for them is fairly comparable.

leaden kindle
#

But we are digressing from the topic of this channel

copper steppe
#

True true. Don't put HA in the cloud 🙂

leaden kindle
#

but if you want we can talk more off line :d

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😄

humble scaffoldBOT
#

@granite hound I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
low notch
empty frost
#

So i downloaded it all and got as far as the custom ip the only problem is no matter what i do i cannot get the ip to launch the home assistant application to set up my account

low notch
#

the custom ip? what tutorial did you follow?

empty frost
#

Fast How To

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im new to the whole computer programming so i might have mistyped the issue

low notch
#

what are you even trying to install? have a link to "Fast How To" ?

radiant sundial
#

@granite hound: I mean you already have docker installed so you don't need to reinstall it

#

any reason you're doing a supervised install?

empty frost
radiant sundial
low notch
#

I have no idea about a "Fast How To", maybe you can give us a link to what you're talking about

#

also, don't run HA on windows

empty frost
low notch
#

ok, so "Fast How To" still nowhere to be found

#

I can also see nothing related to "custom IP"

radiant sundial
#

this video makes me close it in the first 3 seconds

empty frost
#

thats the name of the youtuber who mad the tutorial and like i said im new to this so i most liekly mispoke on the "custom ip"

low notch
#

you just need a bridged adapter, no custom ip

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you need to start the vm, have a look at what it prints on your screen and tell us about eventually troublesome lines

radiant sundial
#

if you're using that computer, maybe just send over screenshots?

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use imgur (or other) to upload

granite hound
normal cedar
#

Hi! I updated my HAOS to the newest version and now 'buttons' dont show in my dashboard anymore. Anyone else with this issue?

humble mirage
manic bane
granite hound
#

Thanks for the information.
How to install Dockerized
If there is a URL listed
teach me something

humble mirage
granite hound
humble mirage
#

No

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But as has been said above by others, add-ons aren't magic

#

Whatever it is you want, it's almost certain that it exists as a Docker image you can use

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You lose having it embedded in HA's UI

#

That's all

still schooner
#

I wonder if it's possible to pre-build/pre-config a full Docker based HA setup for easier installs....

low notch
#

There are multiple ways to install ha on docker 🤔

granite hound
#

What I want is
On Raspberry Pi 4B
By installing it with Home Assistant supervised
I want to use the addon to my heart's content...

If you try to install
I keep getting errors
I'm wandering...

manic bane
manic bane
granite hound
#

I did it with HAOS.
HA wasn't running

manic bane
#

What image did you flash and how did you do it

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And are you sure you have a pi 4

humble mirage
#

The only reason to use Supervised is if you hate yourself

granite hound
#

Even if you don't use Supervised
If you can freely use various add-ons
I think you'll be satisfied with that too

humble mirage
#

Add-ons or not-add-ons is an entirely personal choice

granite hound
#

HAOS is connected.
I must have misunderstood.
connect the lan
It's about 10 minutes...
The screen to create a login account appears.

heady creek
#

anyone knows how to change Proxmox default gateway after it's already installed, after switching to a new router?

tender dock
#

System > Network > edit vmbr0 > Gateway?

cursive urchin
#

Hi, I’ve been tryna install for the past day

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Re-written the image many times

#

And they furthest I’ve ever got is to the home assistant command line

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Then it shuts off

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I’ve got a raspberry pi 3 b+ and I’ve done it once before so I’m not sure what’s wrong

humble mirage
#

Shuts off?

#

As in, powers off?

cursive urchin
#

Yeah

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Reaches command like stays like that for prob 3 secs at the most then shuts down

humble mirage
#

That sounds like a power or hardware problem

clear spear
#

Hi! My HA OS crashed completely - wouldn't respond over http or ssh - and I'd like to check the logs to see why. Running ha supervisor logs times out with "Get "http://supervisor/supervisor/logs": context deadline exceeded (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)". This is Home Assistant OS 9.5, core 2023.4.2, running on a Raspberry Pi 4. The logs in the web interface only show events since I rebooted the thing.

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There's nothing in home-assistant.log.1 since that's not what crashed

cursive urchin
clear spear
#

Ok, even connecting to the host on port 22222 and running journalctl -u hassos-supervisor.service --boot=-1 shows -- No entries --. I'll assume that it was a fluke and let it be for now.

cursive urchin
desert lake
#

Hey whatsup everything.
My RPi4 B is dead and ... unfortunately i have no choice i buy one Asus Tinker Board 2s .... i think is not possible install HAOS on this Thinkerboard ... 😦 any idea ?

humble mirage
radiant sundial
cursive urchin
radiant sundial
#

That's not going to supply nearly enough power

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It's like half at best

solid forge
#

I am trying to find the adguard home (v4.8.5 - latest) server address so that I can enter it into my router. I have it installed as an add-on in Home Assistant.
Home Assistant 2023.4.4
Supervisor 2023.04.0
Operating System 9.5
Frontend 20230411.1 - latest

I thought it might be something like 192.168.1.34:3000
I get "This site can’t be reached" "ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED" with port 3000.

On my router I've added port 3000 TCP (in port mapping) for the HA server IP

desert lake
humble mirage
#

No Ebay?

pliant gust
#

What is the min system requirements to run HA?

humble mirage
#

Pi3B

#

That's not a good choice, but it's the minimum choice

pliant gust
#

What about from a VM?

humble mirage
#

Just about any mini-PC with at least 2 cores, 2 GB of RAM, and 32 GB of disk space will do

#

More of all is good

pliant gust
#

So this should work Ιntel Celeron N3350 Processor(Up to 2.4GHz), 4GB DDR3 64GB eMMC Mini Computer with a 256 SSD?

raven forge
humble mirage
#

Aye... it's going to be ok

#

Not awesome, but ok

pliant gust
#

But should work as a first run while a learn?

humble mirage
#

Sure, if it supports UEFI

copper steppe
copper steppe
desert lake
copper steppe
#

By the time you add a real disk and power supply to rpi you’re at sff money for a much less capable pc. IMHO

#

Does extra 5-10W of power for sff vs rpi4 matter?

granite hound
#

on raspberry pi 4
Installed Home Assistant OS

On PC (Windows)
I want to connect via ssh.

what is the id
what about the password?

ultimately
I want to connect remotely from VS Code.

Teach me if you know how.

radiant sundial
#

in the ssh add-on either set up the username and password or authorized key

dapper vale
#

Anyone have any experience with bigtreetech CB1 trying to use it with the home assistant yellow ethernet kit?

radiant sundial
#

what is it?

brittle sail
#

Eww

#

It’s a protoboard for a cm4

#

By BTT aka a Chinese 3d printer company

#

Weird

dapper vale
#

Hey man I'm trying here

#

Cm4s are hard to find

brittle sail
#

Man going down the yellow cm4 path sucks

#

Just buy a mini pc and resell that

dapper vale
#

Well I'm the doodoo head that went down this path

brittle sail
#

Cool idea, poor execution

dapper vale
#

So I should just scrap the project entirely?

brittle sail
#

Well not home assistant it’s great

dapper vale
#

I mean the yellow

brittle sail
#

I’d just invest in decent hardware like a mini pc instead of going the yellow pi cm4 sadcat route

#

Are you in the us?

dapper vale
#

😦 I was afraid someone was gonna say that

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Yeah, Philadelphia

brittle sail
#

Nice what’s your social?

#

smile jk lol

#

So a lot of people are using thin clients and mini pcs or repurposing old laptops

#

Here’s a link to some more info. The current most popular model is the Lenovo m910q used on eBay

dapper vale
#

I was gonna try to buy an old thin client but thought the cm4 yellow system I bought came with the cm4 lol

#

Stupid on my part

brittle sail
#

If you’re looking for slower but cheaper then go for a thin client like dell wyze 5070

brittle sail
#

Complete shitshow from crowdsupply

#

I’m glad they did tho.. cuz I’ve since learned I would’ve been disappointed

dapper vale
#

so that would be better result then me shelling out 100+ on the cm4

radiant sundial
#

why not just list the CM4 on craigslist

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and make someone else suffer inflation / short supply

#

and then you can move on from it

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lol

brittle sail
radiant sundial
#

it's not like there's no demand for it

brittle sail
#

Craigslist is for hookers and killers of hookers now I think

radiant sundial
#

as long as you don't have burn marks on the board or anything

#

dunno I just sold 2x portable ACs on CL

dapper vale
#

I don't have the CM4, I have this knockoff that doesnt behave properly lol

radiant sundial
#

seemed fine. but I'm in Canada

brittle sail
#

Blue confirmed hooker?

dapper vale
#

I'm assuming 2x portable ACs is code for specific acts

brittle sail
#

The spice must flow

dapper vale
#

when it comes to CL, fear is the mind killer

brittle sail
#

But ya dude just buy a mini pc

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Or used laptop if you have one

dapper vale
#

I am sure I do

brittle sail
#

I moved from a pi4 ssd boot to used laptop and it screams

#

Been on it a year or so now

dapper vale
#

but buying a used machine like the lenovo you suggested is probably the cleaner route

brittle sail
#

Dashboards load way faster

#

And backups are faster

radiant sundial
#

lol

brittle sail
#

And addons load faster

radiant sundial
#

and the laptop fan screams?

brittle sail
#

No…

radiant sundial
#

oh that's good

brittle sail
#

It’s haos not a server

radiant sundial
#

lol

brittle sail
#

My server fans are loud cuz I use cheap arctic fans

radiant sundial
#

speaking of which I should fix up my servers...

#

I have like a set of noctua fans sitting out

brittle sail
#

I refuse to pay the brown tax

dapper vale
#

I have a ton of LEDs for the back yard and was intending to set up something fancy with Wled

brittle sail
dapper vale
#

anyway, I appreciate your advice SHS. I'll probably just go that route instead... so you just get some HAos that you install instead of windows? or on top of

radiant sundial
#

I'd go the VM route so you can have other stuff more easily

brittle sail
#

Not a fan

#

I much prefer keeping smart home, server, network, cameras all separate

copper steppe
#

I looooves my lenovo sff machines

brittle sail
#

Ya I need one gifted to play with

copper steppe
#

I'll send you one. PM me you address.

#

but I run all my services (haos, router/firewall, pi-hole, dashboards and stuff) on them apart from my NAS, which is a Big Box.

brittle sail
#

You’re running a proxmox cluster tho right

copper steppe
#

Yup

#

Just two nodes, right next to each other, so anything taking one box out is likely to take out the other too 🙂

#

But my home isn't mission critical. I reboot the opnsense every month or two, when it updates; mostly nobody notices

placid sage
#

i would like to add a virtual numpad on home assistant to use to enter numbers into the input boxes how can i do that

humble mirage
#

You mean in the web UI?

#

Or do you mean a physical number pad?

#

@placid sage ☝️

amber iron
#

Not inherently a home assistant question but any reason an internal drive would erase all data and os on shutdown/boot?

humble mirage
#

No

#

I've seen it happen, but never found a reason other than magic

amber iron
#

More related question, what kind of issues or performance degradation would I run into if I installed home assistant on a 7200 RPM hard drive or a USB stick.

Can I expect it to at least be reliable

still schooner
#

I've seen it happen when using Live OS's where they temp store data on the USB they are booted from. Some are set to purposely wipe everything for security. Maybe check the shutdown scripts of whatever your using.

amber iron
# still schooner I've seen it happen when using Live OS's where they temp store data on the USB t...

I don't really have much experience with installing an OS but I bought this machine and it just wipes the OS that I install whenever it Powers completely down and then back on. I checked all the settings, updated the BIOS, I don't really know what it would be except a bad Drive, but I exchanged it for another unit and it has the exact same issue. I do know that it boots from an external drive just fine

radiant sundial
#

I don't think you'd have any performance problems with spinning rust hard drive

amber iron
#

Lmaoo

radiant sundial
#

USB stick probably will fail more often than SSD/HDD

#

I used to run that on my freenas server in mirrored mode... but even then it wasn't great imo. I swapped to SSD for the boot drive on that

#

USB sticks and SD cards for data storage just gives headaches imo

still schooner
#

Personally I'd only have a spinning disk for backup, not 24/7 unless you want CCTV/Enterprise drives.

radiant sundial
#

spinning is okay, it's when they stop spinning that's the issue XD

humble mirage
#

I've been running "desktop" HDDs in my home server for ... a long time now. They're spinningg 24x365 without issue

amber iron
radiant sundial
#

oh no I mean it literally lol

#

there's like hard drive head parking and what not

#

that actually adds wear and tear

amber iron
#

Oh, legit?

humble mirage
#

Yup, it's spinning them up and down that kills them

radiant sundial
#

my disks just keep spinning even on idle

#

I mean both literally and well.. if it doesn't spin anymore it's dead but not quite my point LOL

#

but yeah boot up of HDDs draws the most power too. unrelated but in a NAS when you have a dozen drives on boot up is the PSU test

#

(and some HBA / raid cards will stagger the drive start up sequence to help mitigate that...)

amber iron
#

I just know that old hard drives have an insane fail rate. If I find an old drive tucked in a cabinet somewhere it's always a gamble whether it'll work or not

radiant sundial
#

anyways, I haven't seen an OS wipe itself before though

humble mirage
#

If it had been left spinning it'd be more likely to be fine still

amber iron
#

So, I'm understanding this right, a drive that's been in use for 10 straight years is likely to be more functioning than a drive that's been in a box for 10 years?

humble mirage
#

Depends on how it was stored

#

But yeah, if you've had a disk in use in a stable environment, vs one that's been kicking around in a box, getting hotter and colder, humid and dry, knocked around...

still schooner
#

My 12 year old CCTV with it's 500GB spinning drive is still going, surprisingly.

radiant sundial
#

spinning hard drives are also really sensitive to shocks

#

even when off

amber iron
#

I appreciate ssds because I feel less worried if I drop them

radiant sundial
#

like someone did a test where they put hard drives on a rolling cart and pushed it around and some drives ended up dying or something

still schooner
#

PSU went boom the other month, still not found a replacement, just hooked up an old PC supply I had sitting round, looks like Frankenstein now, lol