#yellow-archived

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lament saddle
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no device name, lifetime or SMART stats

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but oh well room for improvement

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at least it works

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it did not even boot previously

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with the NVME plugged in

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I formatted and firmware updated the SSD but unsure which one made a difference i noticed it booted just now when i finally got the Serial Console running. So i wasn't able to see what caused it to just stall back then.

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But i'm glad it works and i can finally wrap it up for now, it wasn't as plug-and-play as other fortunate people here have had it.

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Thanks for the assistance @wary pivot !

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It's probably the reason why it no longer shows the eMMC in the Storage Section at all, it's probably all read-only (well unless you run an updated to HA itself i would guess )

wary pivot
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Yes, that's a normal behavior. Mine is showing the NVMe capacity only too.

lament saddle
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Alright will pack it up and put it back into the rack/

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So glad this works now 😄

wary pivot
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I didn't have to install a driver manually in Win 11.

lament saddle
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Win 10 here had to install it

wary pivot
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Only the serial-over-ip program of my router. 😆

cloud maple
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TIL: The reasons why my Yellow wouldn't recognize the M.2 I put in, is that I put in a SATA SSD, not an NVMe one ... Ooops.

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I thought I could reuse an M.2 I had previously running in an old NUC and totally forgot to check the protocol.

steady delta
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Anyone find a rack mount solution for Yellow they liked?

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I have my RPi4s in a modular 1U Rack for them that I found on Thingiverse, but I haven't found anything similar for Yellow yet.

fresh bough
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The height of the yellow is less than a U isn't it ? should just be able to print a plate with rack ears I guess

compact quartz
wary pivot
steady delta
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That is so awesome

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Thanks a bunch for that hint! That's a very schmancy setup they have.

shadow girder
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Anyone had any issues with their zigbee radio on their yellow? I had issues with Z2M (didn't know it was experimental with the yellow when i first set everything up) so I migrated over to ZHA. Now all my Zigbee devices stop working in HA after about an hour and I have to reload the ZHA integration to get them working again. I'm at a loss as to what to try and get it back for good. It had been working great with Z2M for a couple of months before a couple of days ago.

tender arrow
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Do you use the ZigBee radio plain with ZHA or flashed with the multiprotocol add-on?

ivory pagoda
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Quick update from CS on shipping Yellows:

Now that the tax debacle is fixed, a few hundred more orders (mostly PoE and US kits, but some EU and UK kits as well) will ship next week.

Please let me know if you still have tax issues going forward

I'm working on updating all the delivery schedules based on what we currently have in the warehouse, what we expect in the warehouse soon.

I can amend this with the information that 1.1k devices are supposed to arrive in their warehouse early next week! Also a few Standard Yellows (with CM4) are supposed to be shipped to them somewhere soon. Arriving there probably in March only, and also not much overall 😢 ...

wary pivot
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Does anyone already use the Yellow with Frigate and the Coral USB-Accelerator? If so, what's your impact on the CPU usage?

shadow girder
wary pivot
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Have you set the parameters needed to run the Zigbee radio in Z2M?

shadow girder
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Yes. It was configured and working until about 4 days ago when it just stopped and gave the 502 gateway error. I tried restoring back ups going back several weeks and still nothing would get z2m to work. That's when I migrated over to ZHA and noticed that thing with everything not responding after an hour until I reload the ZHA integration.

harsh light
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What is the state of Home Assistant Yellow with Zigbee2mqtt at the moment? If I have a working setup with a separate box that is using ConBee II, should I expect an improvement when switching to Yellow, or is it likely to perform worse, or about the same? I'm basically interested in latency, such as switching 30 lights off at the same time (without a group) and then seeing that status reports arrive back reliably from each and every one of them.

fresh bough
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Conbee using what software? It is the least favorable coordinator with anything but deconz, so anything should be an upgrade

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Also, don't switch multiple stuff without groups

timid mesa
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Any chance I can get a shipping update? Last update I got said it was going to ship 1/27. I placed the order over a year ago and I'm incredibly eager to get it implemented into my smart home. I've emailed yellow@home-assistant.io a few times now and no response.

wary pivot
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Scroll a little bit up and you will get the newest status update. You could also try and contact CrowdSupply's customer service - maybe they can provide you more info.

timid mesa
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Looks like CS just updated estimated ship date but didn't bother to notify me. I've been checking my email like ten times an hour since the 27th, eagerly waiting for some kind of update. Not doing great on the whole customer experience thing so far...

signal jungle
timid mesa
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it does!

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did you get an email?

signal jungle
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I did not, no. I only checked again today because I saw what you wrote. They really should have sent an email.

timid mesa
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I agree! It looks like they're notifying some and not others?

wary pivot
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Except the project updates from Nabu Casa, I have never got an update from CrowdSupply when the eta changed. The first update from CS was the shipping notice.

timid mesa
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I've gotten a few emails throughout the last 7 months as they've extended ship dates since July

opaque summit
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Seems mine was quietly updated to February 10th as well in the last few hours, thats before they get additional stock so probably running behind due to the weather as someone suggested.

warm glacier
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Same here. This is the second time that's happened to me (I was in the Jan 27 gang, then silently changed to Feb 3, now Feb 10). I'm not optimistic that it will actually ship by the 10th at this point.

timid mesa
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I didn't see the Feb 3 change! sounds like we're all getting different updates. I feel the same but at least the ship window change isn't 3 months from now!

vernal oasis
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So I am excited and finally got my Yellow POE delivered and installed my SSD and the PI Compute module. I used a CM4108000 unit that I believe doesn't have built in storage. Is this going to work to boot off the NVME SSD?

opaque summit
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CM4 may require updating the firmware(/bootloader) but, yes, should boot from NVMe if supported. There are some unsupported ones, ref yellow website for a preliminary list.

vernal oasis
rose thicket
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the HAOS I install directly from downloading the image and load into a Nmve is different from a USB install with for yellow? how come I only see /dev/ttyAMA0?

south robin
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Looks like they are picking orderes a bit randomly. I ordered i october and gor 03.march, while a buddy ordered in november and his is to be sent 10.feb.....Not good if they are not following orderdates

keen parcel
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Embrace the chaos

hybrid path
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oh wow, shipping date of my Yellow POE got updated. Its now February 10th (was January 27th).

copper moon
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Oh, not the PoE for my part, tho

shut cedar
shut cedar
hybrid path
shut cedar
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Which variant is of course also relevant. We are still short on CM4s to build the Home Assistant Yellow non-Kit versions (with CM4).

copper moon
copper moon
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Does Nabu Casa have recommendations for what NVMe SSDs to buy?

hybrid path
copper moon
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Supported would be nice too. But like i.e performance tested

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Not very concerned about price, looking for 250GB+, what drive should i get?

copper moon
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500G 970 EVO Plus ordered. With the 8G, Wifi + BT, 32GB CM4, this is gonna be a beast 😂

south robin
lucid heart
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Anyone else been charged import VAT and handling fee for shipping to the EU?

ivory pagoda
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@lucid heart Unfortunately, Yes! Please reach out to Mouser! They will reimburse you! Sorry for the trouble!

graceful zealot
compact quartz
vernal oasis
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I should be able to watch it boot over the serial connection?

ivory pagoda
lament saddle
lament saddle
copper moon
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Can it be done using a USB adapter M2 as well?

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Like one of those enclosures

lament saddle
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I have a UASP enclosure ordered but no other NVME to test with.

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I already used my PC to firmware update

copper moon
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Allright, i will look into this. Have not rly built a PC since M.2 basicly became a standard

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Is the fw update tool provided by Samsung?

lament saddle
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Yes It's called Samsung Magician

copper moon
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lol, funny name for such a serious company

lament saddle
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Well it's all borderline magic to them anyway 😅 given the latest reliability issues.

vernal oasis
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Welcome to Buildroot
yellow-installer login: [   45.277024] vc4-drm gpu: [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes
[   45.696038] systemd-journald[120]: Time jumped backwards, rotating.
[   48.755237] haos-flash[252]: Getting latest Home Assistant OS version from channel stable...
[   48.927644] haos-flash[252]: Installing Home Assitant OS 9.5 to nowhere.
[   48.928278] haos-flash[252]: No storage media found, exiting.
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I'm guessing that means it's not finding my NVME SSD

lament saddle
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Someone here said that the default installer is configured to install on eMMC and subsequently if NVME is detected and present it will allow you the option to "move datadisk" within HA itself post installation in Settings->System->Storage-> 3 dots top right-> "move datadisk" which reboots and moves all data stores to the NVME leaving the eMMC with just the OS and read-only files.

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He mentioned that by default the USB-BOOT Installer does not support installing directly to NVME in a scenario of a CM4 with no eMMC.

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Now that being said there are issues with the NVME SSD itself being detected as well

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separate to the above

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hope that helps

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The above worked for me.

lament saddle
wary pivot
vernal oasis
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Plopped in an intel NVME SSD drive and it worked

wary pivot
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What SSD did you try before?

vernal oasis
serene plaza
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Woot, my cm4 got refunded and my ship date is the 10th. 🤞

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I unfortunately can't do anything with it til spring time

vernal oasis
lament saddle
dusky hollow
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Hi everyone!
Sorry for my newbie question (and my English) but how do you know if you boot well on the SSD and not eMMC ?

I did not find a lite module.. so I have a doubt

Thanks

lucid heart
gusty stream
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Newbie here with probably a stupid question. I'm considering buying a yellow to setup HA. The one that comes with the CM module doesn't have WIFI and Bluetooth. My question is if I plug it directly into my WIFI router (Orbi) with an ethernet cable (I'm actually running on an Orbi connected to the Xfinity crappy router via ethernet cable) will HA still be able to see and connect to WIFI devices on my network? I have some smart plugs I bought that connect via WIFI and I want to control them with HA but am wondering if that is possible if it doesn't have WIFI built in???

graceful zealot
rose cosmos
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Whats the idle power draw of a yellow?

shut cedar
honest rover
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I’m having trouble finding an answer to this, so apologies if it’s been answered already: if I get a CM4 with WiFi/BT, will I have to disable BT in order to use a Z-Wave hat? I’ve seen both yes and no answers to this. Some say yes, others say bluetooth is switched to mini UART so I can have both. It’s not essential, but it would be nice to have

wary pivot
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You will find the Z-Wave hat as device /dev/ttyAMA0

honest rover
fossil harbor
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Hi,
I got my Home Assistant Yellow PoE kit and I have Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 1GB RAM, Lite with not eMMC on the RPi.
I’m using the official guide:
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/poe-nvme/#opening-raspberry-pi-imager
In “Installing Home Assistant Software on Kit”, step 10 there is -> During boot, the Yellow LED blinks in a heartbeat pattern.
But in my case the Yellow LED not blinking (not even once), the red and green is constant on and nothing more is happening.
What I can do to make it work?

paper surge
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Today I got an invoice to pay 38€ customs. I thought this was included in the shipping fees?? 😬

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@shut cedar

graceful zealot
paper surge
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Another question, since I have migrated to the yellow my zigbee network is very unstable. It is working some hours and then suddenly i get the MAC channel access failure (225) error in zigbee2mqtt. I am not using the yellow zigbee radio but another radio which is connected via IP. Everything was working fine before the migration. Now my question is, if the yellow radio could be responsible for the interferences and how to disable it completely?

honest rover
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If the radio is inactive it shouldn’t be causing interference

dusky hollow
compact quartz
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Go to Settings > system > storage? That should give you a clue as the SSD should be bigger than your emmc

paper surge
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But the problems started the day after migrating to the yellow. Everything is the same, only yellow is now connecting to the zigstar coordinator over ip, instead of my old server (which of course is offline now). Yesterday I also have done a wifi scan shortly after I got the channel access error. All the 5 networks which my wifi AP can see are using channel 6 while my Zigbee network is on channel 20.

compact quartz
paper surge
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I think it is a problem with the yellow

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And it would be nice to know how to disable the radio just for testing. I think this would be the easiest way to check.

dusk vortex
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If the Yellow is connecting to your coordinator over IP and you never set up the Yellow Zigbee radio via ZHA, it's not running at all

dusky hollow
dusk vortex
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Two Zigbee networks on the same channel wouldn't cause channel access failures

paper surge
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I have activated the multi radio feature

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But deleted the addon later

dusk vortex
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In that case, the radio definitely isn't running (since it will require the addon to function). You can reboot the Yellow and physically power it off to be 100% sure the internal radio is not running.

paper surge
compact quartz
dusk vortex
paper surge
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Since yesterday I have moved the zigstar more far away from the yellow (before it was about 30 cm away, now 100 cm) and the network is now more stable than before but not perfect.

dusk vortex
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Do you have anything plugged into the Yellow's USB ports?

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Any other networking equipment or devices (e.g. SSDs) near the Yellow?

paper surge
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Yes, an extender cable for my zwave stick

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But the same was true for my old raspberry server. Everything is on the same place

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With the difference that before the nvme ssd which is now used with the yellow, was plugged into an usb3 ssd case.

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This usb 3 connection has caused interferences, therefore I have bought the zigstar IP radio, to have the possibility to move the radio away from the usb3 port.

dusky hollow
compact quartz
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But it would still be booting from emmc

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And there are fewer issues when using the data move option than when trying to boot the system from SSD

dusky hollow
wary pivot
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@dusky hollow If you log into the serial console, you could run the command lsblk and have a look if anything is mounted to the eMMC. To run it completely from NVMe, the eMMC needs to be empty and the HAOS image for Yellow (not for RPi or the installer image) needs to be flashed to the NVMe. For example with a NVMe to USB adapter and Balena Etcher. But that would not be an officially supported method and shouldn't give any big advantages.

compact quartz
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Yeah, you aren't gaining anything by putting the system on the SSD. In fact it's more problems. I'd leave it as is

dusky hollow
dusky hollow
wary pivot
wary pivot
dusky hollow
fleet timber
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Just working on setting up my yellow today! Woot.

I have quickly noticed the integrations are not using the local DNS server cause many fail due to local DNS lookups needed. I see something about CoreDNS but can't find anything to configure it. Anyone had similar issues with DNS? I can confirm the OS itself is set to use the DNS correct and can cURL the targets without issues, just integrations like plex are having issues.

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I am moving from docker to supervisor version tho so never had issues like this before

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Some of them might work, could be some SSL issue with the root CAs missing too

wary pivot
fleet timber
fleet timber
rustic sand
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I'm still having an issue when there is a power cut in the house. The Yellow doesn't start when the power comes back on. Removing the DC barrel connector and putting it back in causes it to turn on. Why is there a difference?!

wary pivot
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Is it a complete power cut or more a flickering?

rustic sand
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In the latest case, the circuit breaker tripped due to a 12V adapter going pop elsewhere

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I think it came back on with red light, but didn't boot up. Should have taken more notice but was busy trying to get it going again.

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Just tried pulling the plug end out instead of the barrel into the Yellow, waited, put it back in and it started fine. Does seem to only be when the power to the building goes off. Very odd.

wary pivot
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When some data corruption occurs, the NVMe seems to be taken offline until the Yellow is powercycled. But in your case the power is cut off...

rustic sand
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I'm worried it will happen at some point when I'm on vacation or something and there will be no way to get it going again until I'm back

fresh bough
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You might want to invest in a UPS if this is a normal occurance

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It's probably a limitation in the power design of the yellow or PSU where the power needs to be fully removed to incur a cycle

drifting kestrel
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I know, its already answered, but don't know the answer anymore 😦 Where I have to wrote to get back my (double) payed TAX ? Any FAQ about it ?

graceful zealot
drifting kestrel
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God dam ... is already hard to find a simple contact e-mail address on there website (finally found) xD

compact quartz
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You can use the same "change order" form for that

compact quartz
silver dock
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So I figured out what my Optane issues doesn't seem to be an issue with the SSD itself but rather that it's "too small" (it's 32GB) so does anybody know that the process is for the data disk move? Does it copy partition structures or something?

lament saddle
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i know the message in HA says you can only move data disk to an equal or larger disk

silver dock
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They're both 32GB (32GB eMMC to 32GB NVMe). My presumption is that it's slightly different if you compare on the byte level so if the SSD has just one byte of storage less than the eMMC then it fails

compact quartz
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i believe it has to be larger and not equal

lament saddle
silver dock
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Kind of a gotcha 😦

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Ordered a few 64GB ones though

compact quartz
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You're only getting about 7-8GB of extra storage this way though

lament saddle
compact quartz
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(attempting to move data from 32gb to 32gb)

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The main idea is that you would be adding something substantially different. 250GB, 512GB, etc

silver dock
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I just wanted better flash storage, compared to my current system 32GB is more than enough

lament saddle
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someone said there is a process to install directly into the extra storage but it's not officially documented.

silver dock
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Yeah

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I was looking into that using rpiboot but I'm not that hung up about it, so I'm just waiting for my 64GB module to arrive

shy saffron
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Exciting!! Yellow POE kit is showing 3rd March for estimated dispatch on Crowd Supply. Wasn't it recently showing 30th March? Or was that only the Yellow with CM4?

torpid pulsar
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I'm seeing the same. PoE kit (w/o) CM4 moved to March 3rd from March 30th

true pagoda
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Anyone got power usage data for a yellow?

honest rover
wary pivot
true pagoda
opaque summit
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Does the Yellow negotiate a fixed 25.5w with the poe switch or will it work with poe budgets closer to the rated 9w load?

sage walrus
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I have a hunch that the USB ports on my Yellow are broken. No devices are autodetected (I'm currently trying to get the Aeotec connected and I had a similar issue trying to migrate my Conbee II radio data), I can't get the CONFIG stick method to work for config changes, and there's no /dev/ttyUSB devices in the hardware list.

How might I try to rule out that my USB ports do or don't work?

wary pivot
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Did you reboot the host (not just restart HA)? It often needs that to detect new USB devices. And if they are power hungry (like external HDDs or Google Coral) it might need a powered hub.

sage walrus
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Can anyone tell / show me what it's like when you've got USB devices plugged in and it's working? I'd be curious to know if I should expect to see them in the Hardware tab and/or which device path they use by default

wary pivot
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If you go to Settings - System Hardware - 3-dot-menu - All Hardware, is your device shown in 1-1.x? My USB connected UPS is shown that way (1-1.1).

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Another way would be lsusb in the USB-C serial console or ls -l /dev/serial/by-id in a terminal

sage walrus
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1-1.x
as, like, one of the expandable sections like ashmem/autofs? no, there's no section like that

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lsusb in the USB-C serial console or ls -l /dev/serial/by-id in a terminal
oO I've never used the serial console! lsusb suggests something promising; it's possible I can't list devices by ID when I'm only SSHed into the container tho:

[core-ssh ~]$ lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002
[core-ssh ~]$ ls -l /dev/serial/by-id
ls: /dev/serial/by-id: No such file or directory
[core-ssh ~]$ ls /dev | grep serial
serial0
serial1
wary pivot
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On top of the list should be 3 numerical sections (if I remember correctly)

sage walrus
wary pivot
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The USB device in your output seems to be the OTG controller (I suppose it might be the USB-C port). Are you running HAOS and if so... did you use the Yellow installer USB or the Yellow image or the RPi4 one?

sage walrus
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Oh right, the USB-C port! I wonder if I can cheat for a while with that 🤔

My Yellow came pre-flashed; I just plugged it in and started configuring...

wary pivot
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It's just a serial console and a way to access the eMMC. I suppose you have to wait for one of the support gods ponder

shy saffron
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How long did the shipping take please?

lament saddle
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Seems it came all the way from Texas.

shy saffron
shy saffron
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Managed to buy a CM4 this morning. 🥳
The Pi store in Cambridge (UK) has a few 4GB with WiFi in stock, for walk in customers only.

lament saddle
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i had everything bought 9 months ago, took me 6 months to source some specific models.

honest rover
copper moon
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✈️

honest rover
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Oof

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Or should I say uff-da? Lol

lament saddle
copper moon
native verge
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CS changed the delivery to March 3rd mindblown

signal jungle
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Same here. Didn't even have the decency to send out emails letting us know. I'm starting to get pretty frustrated with this

dusky hollow
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Thanks for the update, will the 1.1K devices suppose to arrive next week be enough to deliver on time those yellow kits that has a estimated ship on March the 3rd?

daring harbor
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same here, postponed to March. Is there any channel where we are supposed to get updates from the team except for the crowdsupply channel? I would really appreciate some more transparency about the continuously changing of delivery dates.

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last update on crowdsupply is December 09 😦

serene plaza
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Oi, just wait until March 3rd comes and goes with no update and another delay

mystic iron
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same here. march 3 with no notice

wary pivot
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Well, guys and girls... meanwhile you know the drill

fresh bough
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Duck and cover?

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Imagine how many minicomputers from AliExpress could have been delivered in this timeframe _slaps the roof of this bad boy _

wary pivot
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Not many, if they would depend on the availability of CM4s smart

latent fern
sage walrus
wary pivot
mystic iron
mystic iron
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uhm, not a story. Just followed the pi list and ordered

honest rover
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“Pis are hard to get” “no they’re not”

Super productive conversation here 😂

mystic iron
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Maybe some are lucky. I actually got two through the pi list and two on mouser. The three I didnt need I sold locally for the same price I gave for them

loud crag
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I don't know if anyone else has seen this. I have my home assistant yellow up and running but ZHA refuses to work. It pops up in my discovered devices but when I try to configure it, it gives me "unknown error occurred" and no other info to help troubleshoot this issue.

dusk vortex
loud crag
dusk vortex
wary pivot
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Did you flash the radio back to the EZSP Firmware after trying multi-pan?

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Oh, too late. 😆

loud crag
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I did try to reflash it but didn’t seem to fix the issue. I can go back to multi-PAN but I didn’t see it working. It wasn’t discovering any of my zigbee devices. I didn’t get any errors when setting up multi-PAN but maybe I’m missing something?

dusk vortex
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Is your Yellow in a networking cabinet or near any USB 3.0 devices, 2.4GHz routers, SSDs, external HDDs, etc.?

loud crag
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It is beside my modem and networking switch yes but that’s it

frosty flicker
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How can I (successfully) do a factory reboot on my Home Assistant Yellow? I tried unplugging it, then plugging it back in, then hit the reset button right away (within 5 seconds). I held the red reset button until the yellow light started flashing. It did not factory reboot.

compact quartz
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@frosty flicker tried holding it down while inserting power?

frosty flicker
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I will try that right now

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I will give it a few minutes and check to see if I can access HA 🙂

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It's still the same. No factory reboot. Just the same broken HA that only recognizes ZHA connected devices. Or, in this case, device, since I only have a motion sensor connected through that. I don't suppose there are any other ways to do a factory reset that don't include flashing from a USB, are there?

compact quartz
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@frosty flicker it only recognizes ZHA? What are your HA logs showing?

copper moon
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March 3rd here as well. Not being able to get CM4 is no excuse, because i ordered without one

compact quartz
copper moon
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Its been shifted 3 times, i have no faith in the delivery dates anymore 😂

rotund sinew
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finally got my Yellow set up this weekend! what's the current wisdom on Z-wave with Yellow? Those add-on boards that use the serial pins look interesting, but I don't know how well-supported they are/will be. I only have two or three Z-wave devices left at this point...is it time to abandon Z-wave at home and switch them out for Zigbee/matter switches?

compact quartz
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I imagine it's a situation where everyone has the same date, then a batch comes in and those who didn't get orders filled get the new date, then the next batch comes in, etc.

compact quartz
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I don't know if gpio has an advantage other than freeing up a usb port

rotund sinew
native verge
honest rover
compact quartz
somber lava
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Can you use a CM4 Lite with the yellow combined with SSD?

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Also, Is a 2GB Ram CM4 enough to run ESPHome?? Currently on a 3B+ 1GB and ESPHome compiling is a no go

compact quartz
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2GB is do-able. More would be even better. I would not go the lite route, but you can

somber lava
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SO a CM4 4GB Ram / 8GB eMMC would be a good option if I'm wanting to compile ESPHome?

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Good luck find one though hahhaa

compact quartz
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HAOS will take up 7GB so a 16GB would give room to breathe, and you can add NMVe SSD later

shy saffron
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What are the pros (or cons) for running HAOS on CM4 eMMC versus OS and data both on an NMVe please?

compact quartz
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@shy saffron you'll have fewer compatibility challenges when you run the read-only parts of the system on the emmc for booting, and use an NVMe SSD for storage of /data

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To boot from SSD instead of eMMC you have to be more specific with the brand/model SSD you use

frosty flicker
# compact quartz If you can still access HA, logs would be more relevant than factory restting th...

Here's the error log for the radio browser:
2023-02-13 12:52:43.372 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.config_entries] Error setting up entry Radio Browser for radio_browser
File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/radio_browser/init.py", line 25, in async_setup_entry
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/radios/radio_browser.py", line 124, in stats
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/radios/radio_browser.py", line 73, in _request

frosty flicker
compact quartz
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That's the radio browser in the media panel

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You don't have other errors?

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@frosty flicker can you try ha su repair in the ssh add-on terminal

frosty flicker
compact quartz
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No you shouldn't share the whole thing here. But you can open the file with some file editor and scroll through looking for "error" entries and get an idea of what is going on

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VSCode is nice because it gives you nice separation using colors

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but this is feeling more like a general HA issue and not specfic to the Yellow.

frosty flicker
compact quartz
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Yeah, but first you might try running the repair. You'll get new images of HA and any add-ons

frosty flicker
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Okay, I'll try that 🙂 Thank you 🙂

frosty flicker
frosty flicker
frosty flicker
# compact quartz Yeah, but first you might try running the repair. You'll get new images of HA an...

I just wanted to thank you again. I was able to get SSH installed, and now almost everything is back up and running. I'm still having problems with it seeing my router (and vice versa) even though it's plugged directly into it and I'm able to say, download the latest HA update. So that's weird, but minor in the scheme of things. Anyway, just wanted to thank you again for your help in getting me back up and running 🙂

jade fox
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It seems, that the guys of crowdsupply are not setup to handle the amount of orders and deliveries... annoying the get the delivery date postponed WITHOUT notification

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At least they could tell you which number in the chain you are, so ypu calculate yourself.

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For me it is getting to time critical. Going to use something else, even i dont know yet what...

honest rover
jade fox
honest rover
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Lol I’m used to waiting months for hardware at this point. It always gets there in the end…

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Now I get to experience the joy of waiting for my Yellow AND hunting for a non-scalper CM4 lolol

jade fox
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Luckely i got my CM4 sitting around here... but be sure, till i get the yellow i lost it...

lament saddle
#

To be fair in any crowd funded anything's one is happy if the thing arrives at all eventually. If you are looking for a well oiled machine with immaculate service you go to an established brand where you pay for that. But we all know why we're here, because we buy here what those brands don't sell.

honest rover
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I have a pile of regular Pis lol, I discovered Yellow when looking to upgrade my current Pi based HASS setup, but instead of actually getting a more powerful piece of hardware, I was suckered in to this cool expansion board instead

lament saddle
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Compared to other crowd funded projects i'll be honest, HA - Yellow was actually quite ok.

honest rover
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Upgrading from a pi.. to a pi lol

lament saddle
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I upgraded from the HA Blue

honest rover
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Waaa

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That thing is already more powerful than a pi 4

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Whatcha gonna do with your Blue? I’ve heard those N2+ boards are great for game emulation

jade fox
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The yellow is the only usefull computer to use in a 12V motorhome. I had the "blue", but i had two USB-Port failures.

lament saddle
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blue has no nvme support and runs 2gb or ram

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i mean depends what you use it for i guess

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i'll donate my blue to a friend of mine to start their own HA project

honest rover
lament saddle
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its got a card slot

honest rover
lament saddle
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actually the odroid has 4gb of ram and 128emmc

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just looked at the order

honest rover
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Wow nice

lament saddle
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It was easy to set up it came preloaded

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just plug and play

honest rover
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I almost got one a while back, they’re a nice solution

wicked chasm
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Where can I find instructions on how to set up Mosquitto broker and Zigbee2MQTT on HA Yellow? I'm new here and can't find any working documentation/manual on how to set this up.

wary pivot
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The Z2M add-on needs the following config:

serial:
  port: /dev/ttyAMA1
  baudrate: 115200
  rtscts: false
  adapter: ezsp
wicked chasm
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Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-02-14 19:08:28: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.30.1 (commit #unknown) Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-02-14 19:08:28: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.89) Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:08:48: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:08:48: Failed to start zigbee Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:08:48: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:08:48: Exiting... Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:08:49: Error: Connection not initialized at Ezsp.execCommand (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:518:19) at Ezsp.version (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:325:35) at Driver.startup (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/driver.ts:141:25) at EZSPAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/adapter/ezspAdapter.ts:165:16) at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29) at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:58:27) at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:101:27) at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

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Whats wrong?

shut cedar
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rtscts should be true

wicked chasm
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Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-02-14 19:17:00: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.30.1 (commit #unknown) Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-02-14 19:17:01: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.89) Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:17:21: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:17:21: Failed to start zigbee Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:17:21: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:17:21: Exiting... Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 19:17:21: Error: Connection not initialized at Ezsp.execCommand (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:518:19) at Ezsp.version (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:325:35) at Driver.startup (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/driver.ts:141:25) at EZSPAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/adapter/ezspAdapter.ts:165:16) at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29) at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:58:27) at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:101:27) at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

wary pivot
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Did you use the Multi-pan add-on before?

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And what are your Z2M settings?

wicked chasm
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Yes I have switched to Mulit-Pan

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data_path: /config/zigbee2mqtt
socat:
enabled: true
master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777
slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5
options: "-d -d"
log: false
mqtt:
server: mqtt://localhost:1883
user: ###
password: ###
serial:
port: /dev/ttyAMA1
baudrate: 115200
rtscts: true
adapter: ezsp

wary pivot
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Oh. That changes the firmware on the radio. It needs to be flashed back to the EZSP firmware or Z2M needs to be configured to use the Multi-pan add-on.

wicked chasm
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Can you help me with it? second option

wary pivot
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My guess would be:
port: 'socket://c8f00288-silabs-multiprotocol:9999'
Maybe the hostname needs to be altered to the multi-pan's hostname and maybe socket needs to be changed to tcp. Haven't tried it yet and I don't remember anyone posting a working Z2M/Multi-pan config

wicked chasm
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No success - I'm going to flash old FW

wary pivot
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Maybe falstaff321 knows the Z2M config to use 🤷

dusk vortex
wicked chasm
dusk vortex
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/dev/ttyAMA1 should be replaced with "tcp://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999". It'll only work with the multi-protocol addon running.

wicked chasm
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I did it:
data_path: /config/zigbee2mqtt socat: enabled: false master: pty,raw,echo=0,link=/tmp/ttyZ2M,mode=777 slave: tcp-listen:8485,keepalive,nodelay,reuseaddr,keepidle=1,keepintvl=1,keepcnt=5 options: "-d -d" log: false mqtt: server: mqtt://localhost:1883 user: homeassistant password: ### serial: port: tcp://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999 baudrate: 115200 rtscts: true adapter: ezsp

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and no success:
Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-02-14 20:34:44: Starting Zigbee2MQTT version 1.30.1 (commit #unknown) Zigbee2MQTT:info 2023-02-14 20:34:44: Starting zigbee-herdsman (0.14.89) Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 20:35:04: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 20:35:04: Failed to start zigbee Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 20:35:04: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 20:35:04: Exiting... Zigbee2MQTT:error 2023-02-14 20:35:04: Error: Connection not initialized at Ezsp.execCommand (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:518:19) at Ezsp.version (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:325:35) at Driver.startup (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/driver.ts:141:25) at EZSPAdapter.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/adapter/ezspAdapter.ts:165:16) at Controller.start (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/controller/controller.ts:132:29) at Zigbee.start (/app/lib/zigbee.ts:58:27) at Controller.start (/app/lib/controller.ts:101:27) at start (/app/index.js:107:5)

drifting kestrel
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Is there a official driver for the Silicon Yellow chip for Raspbian (Debian) ?

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I run HA on the Yellow with docker and want to use the Matter feature ^^

wary pivot
dreamy spruceBOT
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@wicked chasm I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
wary pivot
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Too many colons in a line

fresh bough
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I'll keep my one colon thanks

wary pivot
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@dusk vortex is the part with adapter ezsp and so on still neded with a tcp connection? 🤔

dusk vortex
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Yeah, Z2M treats the serial port as a znp adapter otherwise

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Baudrate and RTS/CTS config can probably be removed, but they likely won't hurt

wary pivot
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@wicked chasm Is the Multi-pan add-on running?

wicked chasm
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Yes it is... I hope

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Open Thread Web interface is working too

wicked chasm
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[core-ssh ~]$ ping core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999 PING core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999 (172.30.32.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.30.32.1: seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.177 ms 64 bytes from 172.30.32.1: seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.235 ms

drifting kestrel
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@shut cedar If I want to use the Yellow Silicon Chip for ZigBee & OpenThread/Matter ... which firmware I have to flash? And ...what I have to install to use matter (I'm not using HA Supervisor, I use RaspiOS + docker)

shut cedar
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The SiLabs Multiprotocol add-on should install the right firmware automatically

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Ah, maybe not because of RPi OS. The Multi-PAN 4.2.1 firmware would be the one the add-on is installing

wary pivot
shut cedar
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@wicked chasm did it end up working for you, with apostrophes?

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FWIW, If you want to move back to pure Zigbee, stopping (and disabling) the Silicon Labs Multiprotocol add-on and then flashing the stick on your PC using https://skyconnect.home-assistant.io/ to the Zigbee firmware is the easiest way to revert back to pure Zigbee.

drifting kestrel
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Good Morning 🙂 I try to flash the firmware with

universal-silabs-flasher --device /dev/ttyAMA1 \
    --baudrate 115200 --bootloader-baudrate 115200 \
    flash --allow-cross-flashing --firmware NabuCasa_Yellow_RCP_v4.1.4_rcp-uart-hw-802154_115200.gbl

But at 63% I got the message Error: Firmware image was rejected by the device. Ensure this is the correct image for this device.

Before it says
2023-02-15 08:28:16 homeassistant universal_silabs_flasher.flash[104] INFO Detected running firmware ApplicationType.EZSP, version 6.10.3.0.297

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ok, 1 try more and it works 😉

shut cedar
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Hm, never had hickups on flashing on Yellow, maybe some other process interferred? Anyways, glad it worked.

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FWIW, the latest add-on uses 4.2.1 already

drifting kestrel
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it was in the "beta" folder (the 4.2) xD

shut cedar
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Yes. The whole Multi-PAN/Multiprotocol support is experimental 😅

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I guess the firmware itself is as well tested as 4.1.4 at this point, so I might as well promote it.

drifting kestrel
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True, because in my point of view it look like "4.1.4" is stable and the 4.2 is beta

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But other question beside ... I remember long time ago, that the doc support docker as well. Later the HA Supervisor was mark't als only official way. My question .. why? The big point of HA / HA Yellow is "go away from Cloud, run it locally, open source ..." and at this point, its "feels" normal that docker have to be full supported as well.

I think, ppl who use HA or HA Yellow have more experience with Raspberry and Linux in self and like me, I run on the Yellow more than 15 container. For me the HA Yellow/ HA + Dongle was always the brain of my home network (beside the real router). And with HA Supervisor, "you" remove the freedom again like all other SmartHubs :/

normal anvil
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Hay yall, ordered a whole 'HA Yellow' that includes the CM4 way back on 20 March 2022 through crowd supply. The estimated shipping of my order was updated several times, the last time was Dec9 2022, saying '27 Jan 2023' . Delay I presume is all to do with the CM4. The complete absence of comm's from the project is not cool. I can wait, but 2 months silence is too much 🙂 Anyone here have additional info?

rose cosmos
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yes; hardware shortages galore sadly

normal anvil
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I assumed as much. Not so concerned about that - just the lack of any updates for 2 months, especially when their latest delivery date slipped 3 weeks ago. The crowd funding seems to have been wildly successful, so I assume they don't lack funds to update a little more regularly 🙂

graceful zealot
frosty flicker
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My HA Yellow is not responding any more. Again. The first time this happened (a couple of weeks ago), it was wired to my router through a switch. I moved it so that it was wired directly to my router, I thought the problem was done. But tonight it's back, and worse than ever. At least before, if I tried multiple times and cleared my cash, I could get through. Now, it's just not responding at all. I've switched out ethernet cables, so that doesn't seem to be the problem. Power cycling doesn't help. I don't know what to do.

steady delta
steady delta
normal anvil
frosty flicker
graceful zealot
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What about on port 4357

frosty flicker
graceful zealot
steady delta
graceful zealot
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And mDNS with homeassistant.local is hopeless at best, useless generally

frosty flicker
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My router doesn't show HA at all.

graceful zealot
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Then HA isn't getting a lease

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Have you changed anything?

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Or did it just go overnight

frosty flicker
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Nope

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It was working last night, but tonight the page won't load

steady delta
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When you say it doesn't show home assistant - do you recognize all devices on your network and know that HA isn't one of them or do you just not see anything that is obviously HA?

frosty flicker
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I mean "Nope, I didn't change anything"

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I don't see anything that's obviously HA. I only have four things on the network. Desktop, laptop, wireless mesh, and what I think is the Hue hub.

steady delta
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Trying to eliminate obvious stuff first like the fact that it snuck into another IP and mDNS isn't working (home assistant tells your network about homeassistant.local using a protocol called mDNS which isn't super reliable on some networks)

graceful zealot
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*most networks lol

steady delta
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Yeah, truth

frosty flicker
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lol

steady delta
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Ok, so sounds like it's not getting an IP

frosty flicker
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I agree

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But sometimes it does

graceful zealot
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You said wireless mesh, do you have 2 networks? A mesh one and this router?

steady delta
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You could try some real basic troubleshooting for not getting an IP. Reboot, new cable, different port, etc. Validate the Ethernet port lights come on.

frosty flicker
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Well, the mesh one is connected to the router, but it is using the same name. However, I figured since HA is wired directly into the router, the mesh didn't really matter.

steady delta
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If the mesh is a separate network and the computer you are on is on the mesh, there might not be a good route to the router's network

frosty flicker
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I did the reboot, and a new cable. Haven't tried a different port. I'll do a search and see about doing that.

steady delta
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But that doesn't matter much if it isn't getting an IP

frosty flicker
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My laptop is wired, but it is wired into the switch, not directly to the router. Maybe the switch is bad?

steady delta
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Anything is possible. Good to eliminate possibilities if you can

graceful zealot
normal anvil
frosty flicker
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I have an ethernet for the desktop, laptop, Hue hub, wireless mesh, and HA. I use a wifi network for everything else.

normal anvil
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Cool so your desktop should be on the same physical network as the HA

frosty flicker
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Yes, and the desktop and the HA are both directly plugged into the router, and can't access HA from either desktop or laptop

normal anvil
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Ok so - checked cable ? Swap known good one for the one the HA uses

frosty flicker
graceful zealot
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You'll need to do the direct console which someone else may be able to advise as I'm not sure how to

lament saddle
#

Worth noting this isn't SSH but it's your last resort option if all else fails. It does give you the prompt as if you were SSH-ing.

stray atlas
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Has anyone had any problems with zigbee at all? during any restart all my zigbee devices fail to reconnect on the yellow

shy saffron
stray atlas
honest rover
shy saffron
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I have a PoE switch. Just keen to have a PSA for initial setup or if there are any issues with PoE on the Yellow.

compact quartz
#

@sage walrus are you around?

sage walrus
compact quartz
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you have a ticket in about the usb ports, right?

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let me see if @shut cedar is still here

sage walrus
compact quartz
shut cedar
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@sage walrus hm, lsusb on my Yellow without something connected looks like that:

# lsusb
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1a40:0101

The first entry is the root hub. The second is the on-board USB Hub. The second line is missing, so that means your USB hub chip is broken 😢

You'll have to open a RMA case with CrowdSupply (https://www.crowdsupply.com/contact/return-product). I'll send you an email through support, I'd like to check our factory logs on this unit.

valid terrace
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How does one update the firmware on a Yellow?

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And is there a list of updates on what each firmware upgrade brings?

dusk vortex
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Which firmware are you referring to? The main operating system, or the firmware for the Zigbee/Thread radio?

valid terrace
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Both, I guess lol 😅

compact quartz
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HA OS will show updates from time to time. You can find the current version at Settings > About

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@valid terrace

valid terrace
steady delta
rancid quartz
frosty flicker
rancid quartz
frosty flicker
rancid quartz
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ok that means it does have an IP, otherwise that wouldn't work

frosty flicker
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I'd think that, but it's not showing up on my router

rancid quartz
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don't know how technical you are but homeassistant.local will resolve to an IP

frosty flicker
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And nothing that needs cloud access is working

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I was tech support back in the mid 90's (may I never be so hungry for work again) since then, nothing, so let's operate on the idea that I know nothing 🙂

rancid quartz
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I've had strange issues with some devices with my switch, I had to restart the switch to sort it out. Have you restarted the router? I am starting to suspect the router.

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windows/mac?

frosty flicker
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My poor router is getting restarted every day. Sometimes that does nothing (though everything else in the house works)

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windows

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10

rancid quartz
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I'll walk you through finding the IP, which should identify if its the yellow or the router (potentially)

frosty flicker
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That would be awesome! Thank you!

rancid quartz
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windows key + R will open a run dialog, enter "cmd"

frosty flicker
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cmd window open

rancid quartz
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command to type in to see the IP (should work as this talks to your router) "nslookup homeassistant.local"

frosty flicker
#

Server: gateway.home
Address: 192.168.254.254

*** gateway.home can't find homeassistant.local: Non-existent domain

rancid quartz
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try "ping homeassistant.local"

frosty flicker
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ping homeassistant.local

Pinging homeassistant [fe80::dc0f:ea95:7391:7153%14] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from fe80::dc0f:ea95:7391:7153%14: time<1ms
Reply from fe80::dc0f:ea95:7391:7153%14: time<1ms
Reply from fe80::dc0f:ea95:7391:7153%14: time<1ms
Reply from fe80::dc0f:ea95:7391:7153%14: time<1ms

Ping statistics for fe80::dc0f:ea95:7391:7153%14:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

rancid quartz
#

ahhh, I see, your router is assigning an IPV6 address but may not be assigning an ipv4

frosty flicker
#

What gets me is that sometimes it works 🙂

rancid quartz
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the simple solution is to turn off ipv6 addresses for your local network (you really don't need them anyway). If you tell me what brand your router is I might be able to find some instructions

frosty flicker
#

Arris

rancid quartz
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the yellow may not be handling the ipv6 address well, not too sure, but no one needs ipv6 on their local network anyway.

frosty flicker
#

Yesterday when I was pinging it, it was 100% loss packets

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Looking at my router, I see this : IPv6 Status: Disabled

rancid quartz
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Not sure what your looking at but you want ipv6 disabled on DHCP

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ipv6 can also be given from your internet provider

frosty flicker
#

Wow, that's not great then

rancid quartz
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lets ignore the internet provider part as its irrelevant to this issue.

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Can you find your DHCP settings in your router?

frosty flicker
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Let me look (probably not, but if they are listed, maybe 🙂 )

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Ok, googled it, found it under Windows>settings>ethernet>my network

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But that's not my router, right?

rancid quartz
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Yeah that is your own, you want to go into your router

frosty flicker
#

ok, let me try again

rancid quartz
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so log into 192.168.254.254

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or go to "gateway.home" in your browser

frosty flicker
#

Yeah, there it just says DHCP enabled

rancid quartz
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yup there should be further settings, might have to go to advanced

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should give you the ip range and start and end ip for the DHCP settings

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and of course ipv4/ipv6 enabled

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whatever you do, don't turn DHCP off

frosty flicker
#

I think I'll have to reach out to my ISP. I tried that earlier today and it asked for the password from my router, but it won't accept the password.

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But I really, really appreciate your help!

rancid quartz
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ok, yeah they may be able to disable it remotely, do ask them when you give them a call.

frosty flicker
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I will, thank you!

rancid quartz
frosty flicker
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Glad you did 🙂

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Have a good one

sage walrus
frosty flicker
#

@rancid quartz are you around? I just wanted to tell you that you are a genius! Setting a fixed IP in my router for HA and setting that IP as a fixed IP for my HA fixed the problem! Thank you so much!

rancid quartz
fleet cloud
#

I'm happy (with great sarcasm) to announce that CrowdSupply do not refund the taxes you paid in full

shy saffron
fleet cloud
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EU. I was charged when I bought and due to CrowdSupply's inability to provide FedEx with the correct paperwork

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I was charged by FedEx as well. I'm guessing CrowdSupply doesn't pay FedEx's administrative fees

leaden frost
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so crowdsupply initially updated my "estimated to ship" to feb 10th, but then again to mar 3rd... why do they bother putting values in when they can't honour them?

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can we get a fucking update that explains what is actually going on and when we can actually expect our Yellows?

leaden frost
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it's so frustrating, i thought the problem was sourcing cm4s, so ordering without one should mean i could expect reasonably accurate delivery times

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but apparently not

silver dock
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Though if you do not get them to refund you, I would definitely talk to my bank next about a chargeback

graceful zealot
leaden frost
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ok but why are they updating with feb 10th if they won't actually be able to ship by then

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the update to feb 10th came like days before feb 10th, and then it slipped to mar 3rd, which is quite a long slip

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should i expect it to slip again? are they just putting numbers there to shut me up? because i don't appreciate that, i want honesty, not lies

honest rover
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You’re just gonna have to wait. I’ve played this waiting game with multiple electronic purchases over the last two years.. it always gets there in the end..

leaden frost
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i don't care that it's delayed, just tell me honestly when it's expected, don't keep giving me false info...

graceful zealot
#

Issue is seems to be crowd supply don't know how many orders are per container load
So each date is each next container

#

They seem useless in communication, but the delays are out of their control

fleet cloud
silver dock
#

I don't see how, the process is mandated by EMV/Law

#

But hopefully a second attempt will solve everything 🙂

wary pivot
#

Has anyone here been able to get a Google Coral USB running reliably with the Yellow and Frigate? I've tried it directly and via a powered USB hub, but I keep getting communication errors in Frigate.

vital yoke
#

"About 2000 Yellow and Yellow Kits have been shipped to backers"

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"The second production run of ~2300 units"

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"the third production run, consisting of 2500 pcs Yellow PoE"

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"We are currently working on the fourth production run"

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Uwe update stated "a few hundred more orders (mostly PoE and US kits, but some EU and UK kits as well)"

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and "I can amend this with the information that 1.1k devices are supposed to arrive in their warehouse early next week! "

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Also a few Standard Yellows (with CM4) are supposed to be shipped to them somewhere soon.

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all of this will make a total of 7900 and a few hundreds. Total backers as of today is 8869. If I am not wrong still several hundreds missing to fullfill March delivery time. Am i missing something?

opaque summit
#

I've ordered one for me and one for my brothers - could be others having ordered multiples as well; however I'm not buying the whole pointing at each others for not being able to issue reliable estimates; okay crowd supply doesnt know how many there will be in future batches - but there is no reason they couldnt have known the amount for both the january and february batch and updated everyone not in that to march straight away (or even emailed customers about the update to the shipping schedule and not just quietly changing the info on the order details page)

fleet cloud
silver dock
#

Eurocard/Mastercard/Visa

fleet cloud
#

Maybe I need to ask my colleagues again. They said the bank won’t reimburse

silver dock
#

It's not the bank reimbursing you they're basically reversing the transaction by force

fleet cloud
#

Alright

silver dock
#

And as far as I know if your card is one of those your issuing bank has to implement it

fleet cloud
#

I’ll have a chat with American Express

silver dock
#

(not to mention EU itself already mandates some of these controls by law too)

opaque summit
#

unfortunately dont think the bank will care, as the rules are written for ioss/voec at least any import fees is on the buyer even if the seller screws up the documentation seller is only required to refund the vat the seller charged. if this was supposed to be ddp and not ioss it may be different.

#

then again others have said crowdsupply refunded the full amount fedex charged so it seems silly to now start being difficult

silver dock
#

Yeah you should only do it as the last resort

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Usually any company you run into who you chargeback will usually also make sure not to ever do business with you again because of the costs associated with being charged back

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Whether the bank cares though is as far as I'm aware irrelevant, they just have to process the paperwork if it's filled out correctly

fleet cloud
#

Currently chatting with Amex so we’ll see what happens

opaque summit
#

well, the bank will not reverse a legal charge (at least my bank wont - even have to file a police report before going to the bank)

fleet cloud
#

It’s only SEK150 but given how crappy CS is, I won’t back down yet

silver dock
opaque summit
#

thats where the wording of the ioss stuff comes into play; as long as the seller refunds the vat you're on your own.

fleet cloud
opaque summit
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they can if they want to, but they don't have to.

fleet cloud
#

Let’s just remember that we all operate in different jurisdictions

opaque summit
#

i think the included tax was only for eu countries - so likely the same rules?

fleet cloud
#

Rules on damages varies across EU too

opaque summit
#

anyways, probably better to see what nabucasa says - they didn't specify wheather or not crowdsupply would refund the fees and the tax or just the tax(vat).

silver dock
#

Consumer protection laws are generally better here, I lost almost $100 from them not doing what they agreed to do. A few years ago Tesla refused to sell a car because they forgot to include applicable fees, they didn't sell the car and was forced to reimburse the opportunity loss of around 20000 euro for the would-be buyer

opaque summit
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you dont have consumer protection when you import stuff

silver dock
#

I was talking in general terms

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EMV mandates a chargeback process where consumers of their creditcards can issue a reversal of a transaction if they feel like they weren't provided with what was agreed upon. From there on it's on the merchant to prove fraud on the consumers part

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If you want to carry their cards you implement that process, or you don't carry their cards

fleet cloud
#

American Express can’t/won’t help

opaque summit
#

which means the seller just have to show they refunded the vat and scot free (system is flawed!)

fleet cloud
#

Only open an investigation on disputed charges

silver dock
opaque summit
fleet cloud
silver dock
#

Happens a lot in Sweden

opaque summit
#

Worse in denmark! #kamelåså

fleet cloud
#

We’ll see what happens

silver dock
#

Hopefully a good outcome

fleet cloud
#

Let’s hope, otherwise CS might see reason

opaque summit
#

They certainly have some explaining to do as to why they have refunded the fees for some, but not all.

silver dock
#

Probably either luck of the draw or them finding out that it's expensive

fleet cloud
#

Or they messed up so much it’s now costing them a lot of money so their course of action is to only refund VAT and not all other costs their mistake cost people

opaque summit
#

between 2-5k orders shipped before they stared fixing it, maybe €15 average for each order that had vat included (i.e. only the listed eu countries) so its not nothing, but it certainly won't help them make more money

fleet cloud
#

Amex created a disputed charge for the difference even though I’m not sure it is actually a disputed charge. I’ll let Amex judge if it is considered a disputed charge or not

#

CS uses a third party payment provider so they cannot dispute the charge. This entire purchase is turning into a farce

#

Luckily Home Assistant is an excellent software

graceful zealot
wary pivot
#

CrowdSupply is owned by Mouser, so...

keen parcel
fleet cloud
#

My purchase was with CrowdSupply. They are responsible for their delivery and warehouse suppliers

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Especially since I was in contact with Mouser first and they refer to CS

fresh bough
lucid raven
#

Received the Yellow a month ago, still haven’t received a tax-bill from UPS. I’m not complaining…

honest rover
silver dock
#

Received my Optane drive from eBay, doesn't show up, oof

fleet cloud
rose thicket
#

whats is the blue led light for? I had that lit up for a while, but its turned off after some updates?

wary pivot
#

It's a status LED for the Zigbee radio.

fresh bough
vapid tulip
#

are there known zigbee issues with the built in radio in yellow? I'm having issues with my zigbee network that I didn't have some months ago when I was using a conbee II.
I've got 3x sonoff sensors that seem to work fine but always report 'interview failed' in Z2MQTT and I also have a some water leak sensors that have been working fine but I just tried to repair one of them and now it leaves the network after 30 seconds or so...

wary pivot
#

The Zigbee radio just has experimental support in Z2M.

vapid tulip
#

Bugger. I've got a device that won't work in ZHA - limiting me from moving over to that. Wish I could.

keen parcel
#

I printed a new top shell for my Yellow, with perforations above the CM4 and NVME. It’s a bit early to be labelling it a complete success, but cpu temp looks about 10 degrees Celsius lower on average

#

My regular 3am backup peaked the CPU at 65c rather than 75c 🤷‍♂️

wary pivot
#

Mine is running at 46-49c 🤔

honest rover
vapid tulip
#

so - in mucking around with thing i don't understand well enough, I have enabled zigbee multithread support on the yellow. It totally disables Z2MQTT though. I'm trying to revert the firmware but am falling over on the instuctions here: https://github.com/NabuCasa/silabs-firmware/wiki/Flash-Silicon-Labs-radio-firmware-manually

line 1 - $ pip install universal-silabs-flasher
results in zsh: command not found: $

if I remove the $ then I get some action, but I'm not sure it is succesful, given the dropped $ which I think is to do with permissions.

╰─> cffi```
dusk vortex
#

Note that you can still use Z2M, it just has to be configured to connect to the addon (since the addon talks to the radio now): port: 'tcp://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999'

vapid tulip
#

ah! I will try the latter first. Work and HA tinkering is clashing for me, will report back soon

vapid tulip
vapid tulip
#

which of the included firmwares is the 'default' yellow zigbee firmware?

rose thicket
vapid tulip
# 
EmberZNet                  OpenThreadRCP```
vapid tulip
#

Nevermind, I've got it sorted.

EmberZNet firmware... back to where I started now, with a working Z2MQTT network.

winged venture
#

Does anyone know whether I have to wipe all the partitions on the NVME before installing on the Yellow?

fresh bough
wary pivot
fleet cloud
#

News on VAT from CrowdSupply. They pay the administrative fees as well but you might have to remind them

vapid tulip
wary pivot
polar scarab
#

I payed the VAT to FedEX upon request, can I still reclaim it?

wary pivot
#

You need to contact CrowdSupply, provide them the receipt from FedEx and they will reimburse it to you.

fleet cloud
lavish elbow
#

Is there anyway to find out shipping date on a couple yellows I ordered last August?

wary pivot
#

An estimation is shown in your purchase details of your CrowdSupply account. But it is just an estimation - be prepared for delays. The CS estimations don't have the best reputation in this community.

lavish elbow
#

@wary pivot thanks!

pallid lily
#

hi guys , need help .i already install standard HA in CM4 emmc before i got yellow box , now according the guide for yellow box , i use USB to install HA for Yellow box system to nvme SSD , but still start up with emmc system . how to fix this ?

wary pivot
#

The USB method will always install to eMMC unless it is a CM4 Lite.

pallid lily
wary pivot
#

Ah. You didn't mean the installer USB stick. 😆

honest rover
wary pivot
#

It did something for long. If I remember correct, holding the blue button for 5 secs shuts the Yellow down. Holding red on powerup does a factory reset, holding red and blue on powerup does a complete wipe (including OS).

leaden frost
#

So since I ordered a PoE without a CM4, should I trust that the March 3rd date I currently see is reliable?

wary pivot
#

No.

leaden frost
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Why?

wary pivot
#

CrowdSupply's estimations have no good reputation in this community. They are postponed without further notice sometimes.

ivory pagoda
#

@leaden frost When did you order?

leaden frost
#

Oct 2022

honest rover
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Oof

leaden frost
#

But again, without CM4, which is the most strained part right?

honest rover
#

Seems like they ship out of Hong Kong? Man.. I used to live there, coulda gone and kicked down the door

leaden frost
#

Got any mates there you can have do us a favour?

ivory pagoda
#

@leaden frost I don't dare to say might get your Kit soon, but there's a chance! There's a chunk in the Western US already, soon to be sent out from Texas...

leaden frost
#

🤞

ivory pagoda
#

Definitely, CM4's are the part that makes everything unpredictable, for the full version we can't really say anything, neither Nabu Casa nor Crowd Supply

ivory pagoda
leaden frost
#

I've actually had my CM4 for a while hehe, 8GB RAM, WiFi, 32GB eMMC

opaque summit
#

Ah, 130 with cm4 wasnt clear from the update, not to me at least. Nor if the 1941 units headed for mouser are enough to cover remaining orders. Guess we'll wait and see come march 3rd.

shy saffron
#

Appreciate they probably wouldn't want to disclose how many pre-orders are outstanding but, perhaps they could advise for pre-orders placed before what date, should be fulfilled by the 1941 units?

vast maple
#

Hello, i have an issue with the NVME on the yellow. I used it for the userdata, now i made a fresh Installation on the emmc, now i have no more access to the NVME, i see the old partions in the hardware tab. Is there a way to format it? I have no other option to connect the disk.

wary pivot
vast maple
wary pivot
#

Just to be sure... if you go to Settings - System - Storage (Einstellungen - System - Speicher), does it show available space and eMMC lifetime or available space only?

vast maple
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It shows the available space of the eMMC and also the lifetime. In the three dots menu there is no disk available. If i go to the hardware tab, the NVMe is listned with the old partions.

wary pivot
#

Ok. Are you familiar with Linux CLI commands?

vast maple
#

A little bit 😁

wary pivot
#

You can get access to the NVMe, if you connect your running Yellow to your computer via the USB-C port. That provides a serial console to the Operating System. There you can use a Linux partitioning command (not sure if it is fdisk or parted).

vast maple
#

Thanks Jorg, it worked 👍

silver dock
#

Yeah, basically it looks like home assistant looks at a partition label and if it's present you can't do anything with it (like use it as a data disk) so serial console is the only option at the moment

jade fox
#

Does the yellow require an stable 12v source or could that also be a LiFePo4 battery (max. 10-14.6v)

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I run my LiFePo4 between 12 and 14volts

dusky hollow
#

I have just received shipping notification to Spain and FedEx tracking number of my yellow EU kit from crowd supply !! 😃. Ordered in Nov 2022.

hybrid path
#

Ordered in January 2022 and still waiting if it ships on March 3rd.

hexed blaze
#

4.5-18v input, but not 100% sure how it was wired up

jade fox
hexed blaze
#

looking at the data sheet, it looks like you should be good to go up to 14v, but I'm looking at the schematic

#

Yea, looking at the schematic, it should work, I can plug mine in and see if it goes pop at 14v though if you need 🙂

jade fox
#

Thanks anyway!

serene plaza
#

I got an email that my order shipped! I'm glad I got a CM4008016 back in September, this is gonna be awesome.

latent robin
hexed blaze
latent robin
#

Wish I could change my order to not include a CM4 module and let me supply my own

hexed blaze
#

TP9/10 show the correct voltage, maybe 50 or 100 millivolts higher, but nothing of note

#

3.35v and 4.99v for those rails

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@dusky hollowv

jade fox
hexed blaze
#

np, I am on an all hands/conference call and did my portion of the call so wasn't busy 🙂

wary pivot
mystic iron
#

Me too is march 3. I dont understand why since the newsletter said everyone without issues have got their POE.

wary pivot
#

Well... everyone without issues got one. All other have the issue that they didn't get one. 😝 Sorry - couldn't resist.

ivory pagoda
ivory pagoda
mystic iron
#

so yes I am an original backer

ivory pagoda
shy saffron
#

The newsletter says 95% of 'backer' orders have been delivered. I'm assuming that the 8,932 backers shown on Crowd Supply is not just those who ordered before October 27, 2021? If my assumption is wrong, then 5% would be roughly 446. The update mentions that many of the pre-orders placed since Oct 27th have also been full filled so fingers crossed some of those 1,941 (psa + poe kit) units will full fill the majority of remaining non-CM4 Yellow pre-orders.

ivory pagoda
#

@mystic iron I asked back with CrowdSupply! Your case confuses me because the POE version should as far as I know be fully and 100% covered, except for serious shipping issues or sanctioned countries or something alike, but then you should know

mystic iron
#

Its Norway and I know others have gotten it here, that backed months after me

shy saffron
#

Curious, does anyone that received their Yellow recently recall what date was shown on Crowd Supply? Should it say Next batch due to ship on ... rather than Orders placed now ship Mar 03, 2023. or are they genuinely optimistic for that date?

mystic iron
#

I think if it should be a problem like an address they should send it right away when updating the address, and not put those in the back of the line at least

dusky hollow
shy saffron
#

ouch. I can see why Stefan makes the comment about making the shipping estimates more reliable then. I'm not feeling so optimistic about 3/3 suddenly.

mystic iron
serene plaza
mystic iron
#

where are you guys located?

serene plaza
#

Im in USA

shy saffron
#

PoE?

serene plaza
#

No, the regular one

shy saffron
#

With the CM4, or the power supply kit?
@serene plaza Valentine's day 2022 or 23?

serene plaza
#

I got a CM4008016 in the fall that is all ready to go. It was 2022

dusky hollow
#

Standard kit ordered in Nov 2022. I am located in Spain

shy saffron
ivory pagoda
shy saffron
#

Thank you. Just keen to get an idea of how realistic 3/3 is for an order placed for a PoE kit earlier this month. If I'm lucky, the majority of those 1,941 might be Yellow (PoE) Kit versions and the remaining pre-orders might be for CM4 versions.

wary pivot
#

At least the first additional distributor for Europe is announced.

#

Not helping anyone who ordered, but for future purchases.

shy saffron
wary pivot
ivory pagoda
#

A very personal opinion here and probably wishful thinking, so take it with a grain of salt or two, but the fact that CS has a) massively moved their delivery date for the CM4 version (End of August imho IS realistic as Raspberry promises to gain speed around July) and b) stopped taking additional pre-orders makes me hope that the current dates for other units are realistic as well now 🤞

ivory pagoda
ivory pagoda
mystic iron
ivory pagoda
#

Speaking of distributors, US folks 👋 : Who would be your preferred distributor in US?

shy saffron
#

Do you think the official Pi Store in Cambridge, UK will be stocking the Yellow? Or more likely one of the online retailers like The Pi Hut or Pimoroni?

wary pivot
#

The Pi Hut is distributor for SkyConnects. So I wouldn't be surprised , if they would become one for Yellow too.

copper moon
#

I have to give it to them, when they first ship, they ship fast 😂 At the time of writing, my package has been traveling at a average speed of 243km/h (150mph)! From Texas to Oslo Norway

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That average is over 39 hours

#

For the shipping discussion, i can add that i placed my order on 18. November 2022, no CM4, regular non-PoE with EU PSU, shipped 22. Feb

dusky hollow
copper moon
#

Unfortunately i dont live in Oslo, i live on the south coast, so i will probably still have to wait for next week. Was just blown away about the speed from US to Norway 😂

lucid raven
copper moon
lucid raven
copper moon
mystic iron
#

Why are you others in Norway getting yours, while the one I ordered as an early backer has not been sent. So at least its not a country issue

wary pivot
#

Have you contacted CrowdSupply's support?

mystic iron
#

yeah, nobody knows why I have not gotten it

#

and my order was placed on Sep 15, 2021 so defently should have been sent

gritty crater
south robin
copper moon
south robin
#

But. On the last note.... I got mine!! and now i need a ssd... Is there any requrements to the disk other than nvme ssd?

south robin
copper moon
coral ingot
#

Hey 🙂 I'd love to use the Yellow without HAOS. Is there some docs on the device tree overlays required?

wary pivot
dark reef
#

Hi,
not sure if this fits better here or in the zigbee channel. I recently received my yellow and I am having issues with my hue motions sensors ever since. The regularly go offline until I re-pair them. Does anyone have similar issues?

drifting kestrel
#

Was someone able to use the MGM210P via Docker in Home Assistant Yellow? I forward the /dev/ttyAMA1 to the container, but if i try to add it to zha, he ask wich chick .. I select Silicon Labs EmberZNet and 115200 rate with hardware. But fails to connect :/

#

Maybe it is because I flashed RCP Multi-PAN ... so ... I think I need something else on the host system :/

#

Please correct me, but if I want to use ZigBee and Matter , I have to use RCP Multi-PAN or ?

wary pivot
#

Yes, but it depends on the software running in the "Silicon Labs Multiprotocol" add-on.

#

Well... technically not Zigbee and Matter, but Zigbee and Thread

drifting kestrel
#

Home Assistant need a "Docker/Portainer Addon" 😦

fresh bough
#

If you think that you should run home assistant docker install, not HAOS

honest rover
fresh bough
#

Yeah don't

graceful zealot
honest rover
#

That said, don’t mess with the existing containers. I only used this to run a couple of other containers

graceful zealot
serene plaza
#

The good news is I got my yellow today, got it all set up, restored a backup, updated everything to current and all seems well. The unfortunate part is it is for a seasonal property and its winter time so I'm not gonna be able to switch it over for a couple months, so its back in the box, patiently waiting for warmer days.

honest rover
jade fox
dark reef
#

Yes works fine.

wary pivot
jade fox
drifting kestrel
fresh bough
#

Yes, there are better options for a pure debian setup, modern CPUs offer a lot more headroom and expandability, plus low power usage @drifting kestrel

#

Alder lake / raptor lake is even fanless and can be found in sub 10w usage

#

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#

Etc

#

That is fan based, but there are other models

dusky hollow
drifting kestrel
#

@fresh bough

fresh bough
pearl frigate
onyx oriole
#

Hi, have some similar problem, how did you interface with the yellow to write the journalctl -f --no-pager or where did you do that? Tried “normal” install from USB (no SSD) then tried a troubleshooting step with connecting it to my laptop using USB cable and setting jumpers differently, also tried resetting with blue and red pins, but none of those steps worked, looking for what else to do…any help MUCH appreciated! 🙏

honest rover
#

you can also get deals on used hardware on ebay, old NUCs and thin clients

wary pivot
hushed knot
dark reef
ivory pagoda
ivory pagoda
harsh relic
#

👋 Owner of a HA yellow with PoE here. Thanks for the great product. I'm loving it!

wary pivot
#

For me it is kind of a love and hate relationship. 🤣 Tried to run Frigate with a Coral USB with it, but getting USB communication errors. I also tried to use motionEye, but first it crashes the Yellow and it's filesystem. With a later HA version the camera isn't shown anymore (I suppose a ffmpeg version issue). Other than that, we are friends. 😆

silver dock
ivory pagoda
#

Actually, it was US, EU, UK and AUS

opaque summit
#

Was there a shortage of EU ones causing people to order US instead? I hope I don't have the opposite problem using a US -> EU freight forwarder
(never mind, PoE should be fine I guess)

copper moon
#

In ZHA setup on Yellow, when i try to add /dev/ttyAMA1 with baud 115200 on both Software and Hardware it just says Connection failed?

vast maple
copper moon
#

i had a SkyConnect in my pi that i restored backup from

#

with Multi-Pan activated

wary pivot
#

With Multi-Pan firmware /dev/ttyAMA1 doesn't work anymore.

vast maple
#

See the description for the silicon labs addon

#

socket://<hostname-from-addon>:9999.

wary pivot
#

Use the Silicon Labs Multiprotocol add-on and socket://<hostname-from-addon>:9999

#

E.g
socket://core-silabs-multiprotocol:9999

copper moon
#

Documentation is a nice thing

#

Thanks!

vast maple
#

Does anybody also have issues with the pairing of new zigbee devices with the Yello Hardware?

wary pivot
#

The only pairing problems I had, had been with battery powered devices. Those had to be kept active until the configuration was finished (e.g. keeping motion sensors active, pressing buttons,...)

#

But that's not Yellow specific.

vast maple
#

When i bring the devices near to the yellow it pairs, but with other router i find nothing.

wary pivot
#

Is the router device itself responding? For example is it turning its light on and off?

fresh bough
#

Never had any issues pairing any battery or mains powered devices at all with zigbee2mqtt and ti sticks @wary pivot no need to keep awake either

#

Have to keep them awake till firmware flashing starts usually though

wary pivot
#

My IKEA motion sensors have always been flakey. Even with Z2M and another radio. Might be a firmware thing.

fresh bough
#

Ah yeah, I scrapped my ikea motion sensors after 3 weeks

#

Utter garbage

wary pivot
#

Am too lazy to replace them 🤣

fresh bough
#

They were unreliable and had poor cooldown

#

Aqara is great

wary pivot
#

Yeah. As soon as an IKEA one fails, I replace it by an Aqara one.

sick salmon
#

Hi! I just got my yellow kit and I have an existing rpi4 with homeassistant OS. Can I just plug that in yellow or does it need some extra drivers or a fresh install done just like in the docs (hopefully not) ?

wary pivot
#

A RPi4 cannot be plugged in a Yellow. It needs to be a Compute Module 4. The Home Assistant RPi image lacks some settings specific to the Yellow. The best way would be to make a backup, flash the Yellow image and restore the backup.

sick salmon
#

Aww Man🥲 That explains many things, thanks a lot!

steady delta
#

I was skeptical that restoring a backup would be 100% hassle free, but it was! Whole thing only took about 20 minutes.

opaque summit
#

how big was the backup? i seem to recall it took much much longer with a 6-700mb file. but more importantly it did just-work™️

oak elm
#

I guess there is no CM4 alternative on the market that works as a drop-in replacement on the yellow?

honest rover
#

Nope

wary pivot
#

None that is supported or tested - software as well as hardware.

honest rover
#

That said, you’re welcome to try. If you do, please share your results

keen vessel
#

I just let my Yellow update to 2023.3 and now the add-ons store/page is blank and the Scrutiny add-on won't work either.

wary pivot
#

Have you refreshed your browser cache?

drifting kestrel
#

I also got some errors in the log now

2023-03-02 13:01:01.078 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio.handler] /store return code 500
2023-03-02 13:01:01.095 ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.hassio] Failed to to call /store -
honest rover
#

So, we placing bets on shipping notifications tomorrow, or?

shy saffron
#

🤞🍀

opaque moth
#

Anyone get any shipping updates?

opaque summit
#

~~its only 1pm in texas at the mouser warehose, there is still hope ~~🤞

honest rover
#

Hmm 3hr drive away from me in Austin. Shame lol

keen vessel
# wary pivot Have you refreshed your browser cache?

Emptying caches in Safari does not solve the problem. Quitting/restarting does not either. It does appear that these iframes are being cached somehow. The usual mitigation of putting some random variable in the iframe URL isn't implemented in HA.

wary pivot
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Have you tried to reboot the host or to restart or repair the Supervisor?

keen vessel
honest rover
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It’s now past 6pm in Texas. Let’s hope for good news after the weekend

honest rover
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I asked in the CrowdSupply discord channel, they said some did ship out today and more will ship over the weekend!

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Hello, So I got the yellow finally, but due to my excitement when ordering I did not catch the part that needs RPI COMPUTE MODULE 4. Due to the stock shortage, it's almost impossible to get it anywhere. Any suggestions on where to buy it? or just get on the waiting list? TIA!

silver dock
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already monitoring that one 🙂

opaque moth
shy saffron
sleek cloak
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Hello together. Is the J11 Header enabled by default and usable the same way as the RPi header? Or is some kind of configuration necessary?

wary pivot
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J11 is enabled by default. Bluetooth doesn't need to be disabled.

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honest rover
leaden frost
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Welp, another "estimated to ship" date has come and gone without tracking info

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Ffs crowdsupply, stop putting up useless dates you have no intention of keeping!

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Grinds my fucking gears

honest rover
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Keyword “estimate”

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A bunch of Home Assistant Yellows did indeed ship today and I expect more will ship over the weekend.
Straight from the crowdsupply discord

obsidian heart
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Ya, my estimate was Feb, then April, and then all of a sudden this morning it's been shipped.

dreamy spruceBOT
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@vast trellis I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
mighty chasm
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So I got home assistant yellow, and want to start a fresh install. Do I use phoscon for zigbee devices or is there something else "native"?

opaque summit
wary pivot
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Erm... the Zigbee radio should be autodetected by ZHA.

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Phoscon/Deconz is for their own coordinators ConBee (2) and RaspBee (2) only.

mighty chasm
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Im trying to pair elko smart dimmers and thermostats

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it is a new house so no need for migration

opaque summit
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that should just-work™️ just go to integration and click + add integration, search for zigbee and choose add zigbee device. (or add the zigbee integration first if the add device options isnt available).

will use the built in radio with the native integration

mighty chasm
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ok thanks. not sure how I pair elko smart though..

opaque summit
mystic iron
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mine got shipped today at least

honest rover
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I’m hoping for good news on Monday, glad people are getting shipment notifications

native verge
mighty chasm
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Do I need to have the yellow placed on top of my network rack in order for the range to be better? struggle paring with devices

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there is one zigbee thermistor 3 meter away and several zigbee dimmers

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just doesnt show up

wary pivot
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Placing the Yellow inside a network rack might cause radio issues. So it could be the case, that you need to place it somewhere else

shy saffron
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Estimated date has changed to 10th March.

honest rover
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I ordered the PoE version

timber kettle
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Communication from CrowdSupply is really bad 😔 Are there no liability laws for Shops in the US? When you say it will be shipped on 3th of March but can’t ship? (Like it said on the 3rd)

I know i haven’t waited as long as some other Backers (October 22), but i would have chosen another bundle - if i would have known the poe problems 😒

shy saffron
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@honest rover Same for me PoE, order still showing 3rd. Fingers crossed. It's the new order shipping estimate I had noticed that has changed to the 10th.

hybrid path
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Same here, ordered the PoE in January 2022, shipping still shows March 3rd.

vast trellis
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i was searching around but didn't find one. is there a STL or STEP for the Yellow case floating around somewhere before i get too deep into making one?

wary pivot
vast trellis
opaque moth
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I ordered my POE version in November, ship date still shows March 3rd. Hopefully it ships soon cause I'm pretty sick of running HA in a VM on my desktop 🤣

vast trellis
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ship dates be wildin. mine says December. got it yesterday 😆

opaque moth
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CS would be so much more accurate with their estimations, if they wouldn't state the estimated year. "Yeah! We expect it to ship it on March 10th. 2023, 2024, 2025... who knows" 🤣

final yacht
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I got a strange behavior on my Yellow, if I go with a system reboot, Yellow boot on CM4 EMMC and if I power cycle the Yellow board it boots on NVME drive.

Anyone facing this ? should I open an issue ? I don't have any idea where to post that 😅

wary pivot
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I had a similar behavior when the CPU was under high load. In that case the filesystem was corrupted and the NVMe was disabled. On a reboot Yellow couldn't find it anymore. On a powercycle it was detected again.

final yacht
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So it's likely a problem from the operating system ? I will open an issue on that, it's a mess right now, I got two system reachable with two way to launch them (power cycle vs system reboot)

graceful zealot
honest rover
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Lol people here are fiending for that hardware

timber kettle
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But we can agree, that communication is none of CrowdSupply's strengths. Maybe they are good at cooking.

timber kettle
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Wouldn’t count as this is seen as fraudulent by (EU) courts. First Page counts.

Doesn’t matter we want this, but its still annoying and i hope you are right with the cooking 😉

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honest rover
wary pivot
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Ladies and Gentlemen... it's fine to make fun of CrowdSupply or our own mishaps (at least in my opinion). But we shouldn't start to fight each other.

uneven vigil
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Is there a specific rpi4 board I need to work with yellow?

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also; what size m2 drive is recommended?

graceful zealot
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Compute module 4

uneven vigil
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sorry; i never got on the pi craze so i have no clue what i am looking for specifically

graceful zealot
uneven vigil
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would a non wireless version be okay with yellow?

opaque summit
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yes, non-wireless is the default (only) option if you order with yellow with cm4.

shy saffron
dusk laurel
shy saffron
wary pivot
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The wire fits through the ventilation slots, but you would need to drill a hole to fix the screw mount on the case.

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If an external dongle has much benefit to you depends on the range needed and the place the Yellow is located.

dusk laurel
# wary pivot The wire fits through the ventilation slots, but you would need to drill a hole ...

Nothing a Dremel cannot fix 😉 On a more serious note, a typical USB Bluetooth dongle like the Asus USB-BT500 only has an antenna gain of 0.8 dBi, compared with the 2.0 dBi of the external antenna for the CM4. When you already have a CM4 with Bluetooth (and you are not afraid to get your hands a little dirty), it seems to make more sense to choose the external antenna. But of course, that's only my personal opinion.

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honest rover
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4dbi so it’ll have a little more range at the expense of being slightly less omnidirectional

dusk laurel
honest rover
shy saffron
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Which side would you stick it to? The edge near the CM4 heat sink?

wary pivot
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Depending on the cable length, I would choose the side closest to my BT devices.

honest rover
calm herald
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Hi
I recently had the problem that my Yellow (with SSD) crashed and the frequency of these crashes increased until it did not restart last Friday at all - it just answered to PINGs. That was all I could find out.
Now by an external SSD-Adapter I was able to put a new Installation on that SSD and it seems to work so far.
I am using the Media-Folder as a small local NAS too ant this blows up the backup volumes dramatically. Is there a way to separate the SSD in more than one partition to run one as a data drive? I tried to shrink the HASS-partition under UBUNTU, bit it did not work.
Do you have an idea how to do this?

wary pivot
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You can exclude the Media folder from your backups.

obsidian cloud
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Could anyone help me please? I have a Yellow with the CM4 with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. I’m getting NETWORK_BUSY messages with Zha and want to disable the Wi-Fi on the CM4. I know you can use the cli to enable/disable things but I was wondering if there is a way to not load the kernel driver at all during boot via a similar boot.txt method as used on a regular Pi?…

opaque summit
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connect to the serial console and see rfkill is available? or in config.txt

dtoverlay=disable-wifi
dtoverlay=disable-bt
obsidian cloud
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opaque summit
wary pivot
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Using the serial console the boot directory can be found at /mnt/boot

hybrid path
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Wow - my Yellow (ordered in January 2022, "estimated" shipping date March 3rd 2023) finally has been shipped

opaque summit
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Haha, the date on mine was changed in the last hour or two; which is almost funny given its the 7th today..:/

Estimated to ship: Mar 07, 2023

dusk vortex
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@dusk vortex SML001 Philips Hue Motion Sensor. Currently have two that have dropped out.

dusk vortex
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Thanks!

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As I see you here, @dusk vortex ... is it a known issue that the Multiproticol add-on is going up to over 20% CPU usage sometimes - and stays like that until add-on restart?

obsidian cloud
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dark reef
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@opaque summit Same for me. 'Estimated to ship' changed from 3rd to 7th today. 🤞

honest rover
dusk vortex
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Yes, at least no problems with my Zigbee devices. Just using much more CPU. I've set up an automation to notify me the next time it happens. If I can find significant error messages, I can forward those to you, if you like.

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At moment the add-on is on log level notice. @dusk vortex

amber agate
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Yellow PoE kit just arrived🤟 I've been running the same HA instance for 3yrs running the same micro SD card

keen parcel
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You should buy a lotto ticket

mystic iron
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What was the config to disable all onboard leds on the yellow?

wary pivot
mystic iron
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Switchable not like break them

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I mean switchable within HA for troubleshooting or misusing them for notifications. That would require an automation to turn the LEDs off on HA start.
And permanent as not changeable on the run and requiring editing system files and a hardware reboot.

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I'd recommend the switchable option. Am on the way home from work. When I'm home, I can post the system file changes for the LAN port LEDs (not switchable) and the code for my three switches to turn the red, green and yellow LEDs on and off as required. The blue radio status LED cannot be disabled afaik.

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@mystic iron
Add this to the end of /mnt/boot/config.txt via the serial console to disable the LAN port LEDs (not switchable). Effective after a host reboot (maybe a powercycle might be needed - not 100% sure)

# Turn off Ethernet ACT LED
dtparam=eth_led0=4
# Turn off Ethernet LNK LED
dtparam=eth_led1=4

Switches are in the next message.

dreamy spruceBOT
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@wary pivot I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
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Automation to turn off the LEDs on HA start:

# 
alias: "Home Assistant: Turn off LEDs"
description: ""
trigger:
  - platform: homeassistant
    event: start
action:
  - service: switch.turn_off
    data: {}
    target:
      entity_id:
        - switch.power_led
        - switch.activity_led
        - switch.heartbeat_led
mode: single
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If you prefer to turn the red, yellow and green LEDs off permanently (like the LAN port ones) and choose not to go the switch route, add the following to the end of /mnt/boot/config.txt via the serial console and reboot the host. But you should only use either the switch method or this one.

# Turn off Activity LED
dtparam=act_led_trigger=none
dtparam=act_led_activelow=off
# Turn off PWR LED
dtparam=pwr_led_trigger=none
dtparam=pwr_led_activelow=off
# Turn off User LED (Heartbeat)
dtparam=usr_led_trigger=none
dtparam=usr_led_activelow=off
honest rover
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This should be pinned

normal anvil
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Fully assembled HA Yellow including CM4, power supply, USB cable and 256GB nvre arrived yesterday. I ordered in on Wed, Mar 30, 2022. Powered it up and added a few "integrations". It was all VERY easy. After all the waiting 🙂 Only issue is I have a Phillips Hue (zigbee bridge) and HA cannot access it . I could just set all the zigbee devices to pair and access them directly but that means placing the HA yellow physically closer to them

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Or wait for what I think is already a reported bug

sleek cloak
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Can anyone explain how I can access the config.txt on Yellow?

wary pivot
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Or you go crazy and use the USB-C recovery mode and rpiboot. 🤣
But using one of the ways above should be sufficient.

wary pivot
oak flint
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may be i am googling wrong, but how can i reuse an installed ssd, if i factory reset the system. It installed HA new correctly, but when i want to move the datapartition it says:
"Kein geeigneter Speicher gefunden" - no suitable storage found

wary pivot
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The best way is to remove every existing partition on the SSD (make sure it is an NVMe and not a m.2 SATA one).

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Either using a m.2 to USB adapter with your computer or connecting to the serial console and use Linux CLI formatting commands.

oak flint
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ok, thought i could do it within the running instance

wary pivot
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It needs to be done on the OS level.

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It can either be the serial console or the OS debug SSH.

oak flint
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ty

rose hull
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After trying to follow the setup instructions, I have yet to see the yellow LED light up, so I tried option 1 to hold the red and blue buttons during power-on to no avail, and now I've tried option 2, and it's half an hour in and rpiboot is still at Waiting for BCM2835/6/7/2711... Am I missing something? Is it relevant that this CM4 is a variant without eMMC? https://yellow.home-assistant.io/guides/reinstall-os/

compact talon
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For deconz config which device is the correct one for the controller in ha yellow?

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I used a conbee stick but want to use the controller in yellow now

wary pivot
compact talon
compact talon
compact quartz
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fwiw the yellow zigbee radio is /dev/ttyAMA1 and you would use it with the ZHA integration, or zigbee2mqtt if you don't mind it being experimental

dusk laurel
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Has anyone received a notification for the shipping of their yellow? Mine (PoE version) was supposed to be shipped on the 3rd, then on the 7th, but no luck so far...

honest rover
hybrid panther
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Just got my little Home Assistant Yellow today :)

tribal horizon
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my yellow arrived.

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poe powered right up and booted right up, had everything waiting for it. imaged an nvme nailed it first time.

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I got the zooz daughter board for it. zwave 800 chipset.

honest rover
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Sounds like you went the same route as me. I’m dying for that shipping notification lol

tribal horizon
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yeah, got notification on friday.

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inmaged an ssd and setup the cm4 to boot from ssd in my other board.

honest rover
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I’m tempted to image the SSD too, but I don’t have a usb adapter.. so I’d have to temporarily install the drive in my PC, and that seems overkill

tribal horizon
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got one off amazon for like 10 bucks.

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so I can't seem to get the admin login working.

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wonder if it needs a reboot to start sshd on the host

tribal horizon
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hmmm not seeing the usb mounted

tribal horizon
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ok, it's definately not seeing the usb ports.

# 
[core-ssh ~]$ ```
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mine was supposed to be shipped on jan 27, then feb 10, then march 3rd, it actually shipped on the 3rd, got it today.

honest rover
tribal horizon
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don't really want to use emmc, wondering if I grabbed the wrong image?

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just made an install stick.

tribal horizon
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well it installs onto the emmc now.

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and it sees the usb port with the installer image.

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any reason to do emmc for boot and data on nvme?