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dusky hollow
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Also makes very low noise rattling sound while plugged in. Almost as if there is some relay switching going on? Would appreciate any help.

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Checked the power supply with my Brymen BM869s, open voltage is perfect. 12.185V

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Bothered switching the cm4, issue persists

fleet cloud
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Not sure where to ask, here or on #installation-archived but I can't seem to delete everything of my emmc based on the instructions on the Yellow page (remove power, attach power and ethernet, press and hold blue + red until only the red light is on/the yellow light comes on, reboot). The green keeps blinking away forever (more than a minute). Am I doing something wrong or should I resort to rpiboot instead? Would prefer to start with a clean install before restoring the backup. I've had HA on the CM4 module before

wary pivot
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Home Assistant OS 8.5 or newer versions: To clean the boot files from the internal eMMC, press and hold both the red and the blue button at startup. Keep the two buttons pressed for at least 15 seconds. Now, the system should boot from the USB flash drive again.

fleet cloud
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It's the same as the one above minues waiting for only the yellow light, but the other steps are the same? Removing power etc

wary pivot
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Yes, just without the installer USB

fleet cloud
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sorry, got confused and sorry again, just to be clear. When I do the sequence you copied in here, the USB installer should be in the Yellow?

wary pivot
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You are on the safe side, if you keep both buttons pressed, when attaching the power plug

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No. No USB stick. That's the next step after wiping the eMMC.

shut cedar
fleet cloud
shut cedar
dusky hollow
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Sadly still does not boot. No indicator light on anything except USB stick flashing way to fast. And some sort of noise coming from the board in a rattling manner but maybe just instant bootloop that effects coil whine noise?

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Cm4 and yellow board connectors are looking good. Second cm4 works in different extension board

shut cedar
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The red LED should really turn on as soon as the CM4 is powered by 5V.

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Maybe 5V is not stable then, some short somewhere. Can you remove everything except the CM4 and see if the red LED still does not work?

dusky hollow
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Yep

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Nothing.

shut cedar
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Still that noise?

dusky hollow
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Yep with eyes closed this could really be a rattlesnake

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Also doesn't change in tone or pitch

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Just ends when I remove 12V

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I really hope this can still be somehow fixed. Maybe just a bad solder joint or something. I'm based in Germany so would really dislike sending this stuff back. Will try to check some traces for shorts

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Powersupply, USB Stick, cm4 are all checked and tested with other components, device is plugged into the same LAN as the Raspberry Pi 4 before

narrow sleet
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About the PoE of Yellow, I could not find the spec, is it 24 or 48V ? Active or only passive?

dusky hollow
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Poe+ (Type 2) has a Voltage Range of 42,5 - 57V PD and Yellow scematic reveal 48V. But maybe someone should clarify

shut cedar
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Yeah 48V is nominal voltage

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Does it behave different when you are using PoE?

manic moss
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My PoE Yellow arrived today, setup went fine. Trying to restore my backup, and it's been going over an hour now, is this normal? Backup is ~700MB (zipped), including a 1.0GB database

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And by still going, I mean, it's been returning a blank page on port 8123

dusky hollow
narrow sleet
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Ok thanks, so normal that my 24V don't work

shut cedar
fluid sedge
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24V passive POE can kill devices that aren't expecting it

fleet cloud
dusty flume
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Hey there Today I got my Yellow and I

fresh bough
fluid sedge
fresh bough
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Only place I have ever heard about passive Poe is from unifi people

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Never seen it IRL in 22 years of doing networking

steady delta
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I used it to power my fiber ONT from a network port - the lack of negotiation to get the power meant it was pretty simple to power my ONT from it, but that's sort of niche. Now my ONT is on my network battery backup, though!

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if I were to do it over again, I'd probably get a "POE splitter" instead of having a network port turned to "scary mode"

shut cedar
dusky hollow
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Will try tomorrow. It's too late for today. I really don't have anything to troubleshoot anymore

daring cove
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Yellow PoE just arrived. Nvme install. Process seemed to go alright but interface never comes up so I'm wondering if the install didn't go right. Press both buttons at power on same to reset for the non-emmc install?

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Issue determined by device not responding to .local URL nor grabbing an IP from my DHCP server.

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Nevermind, just saw that my Crucial NVMe drive is on the "not working" list.
Sigh

wicked chasm
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Hi, any updates about Multi-pan firmware bug?

wary pivot
vast kiln
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Hi, I would like to buy Yellow, but is there a way to get it to Italy without the total reaching almost $200? thank you

wary pivot
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Including a CM4? No.

dusk vortex
keen parcel
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it's here!

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🟨 🐘

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my full backup is 1.5gb, so just waiting for that to complete so I can migrate across

keen vessel
daring cove
keen vessel
daring cove
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Argh, it seems there are partitions and data on my drive so I'll have to get my hands on a USB to NVMe adapter and wipe it first. Well, I've waited this long.....

daring cove
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Wait, it's a CM4-lite, does the installer wipe the entire target nvme or just fail if there is a previous install or other data?

compact quartz
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@daring cove it should wipe it but fail if there is an existing HAOS data partition

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Actually that's a data move. I would expect the installer to wipe it

daring cove
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I sense deeper debugging in my future. 🥹

finite jay
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Hello Home Assistant Yellow! Long time home assistant fan, first time poster. I'm having some network issues with my homeassistant yellow install. I received the PoE kit this weekend, and have my CM4 ready to go. I was able to successfully install the yellow image from my flash drive, and can see the "Preparing Home Assistant" intro page. However, I am seeing an error in the logs request related to external network requests:

  cmdline: git clone -v --recursive --depth=1 --shallow-submodules https://github.com/home-assistant/addons /data/addons/core
  stderr: 'Cloning into '/data/addons/core'...
fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/home-assistant/addons/': Could not resolve host: github.com
'.```

Later on in the logs, it appears that a request to pull down a new version of supervisor also fails:

```ERROR (SyncWorker_0) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2022.12.1: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.41/images/create?tag=2022.12.1&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Faarch64-hassio-supervisor&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("Get "https://ghcr.io/v2/": net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)")```

I can reach the yellow on my local network by its IP address. Are there any router settings I should be looking for that may be preventing the yellow from successfully completing these requests? The rest of my devices have external network access, and my existing raspberry pi HA install (connected to nabu casa) has been working for over a year.

My initial thought is that the WiFi on the CM4 is trying to handle the requests instead of the ethernet port on the yellow, but I didn't see an option to configure that anywhere. Is that something I might have missed?
graceful zealot
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Normally those are DNS issues

keen parcel
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Ok so I just tried to migrate off my USB Zigbee adapter to the built-in Yellow one and it failed

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What gives?

fresh bough
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what adapter do you have ?

keen parcel
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the old one? does it matter?

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the migrate off step works fine, it's selecting the new one that doesn't work

fresh bough
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oh

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I thought there were some limitations what you could migrate from -> yellow

keen parcel
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there's three available devices, none of which give any indication of being a zigbee adapter

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it's a CC2652

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(the old one)

fresh bough
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I thought /dev/ama0 would be the onboard one

keen parcel
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didn't work - i've seen posts saying ama1 is the way to go

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haven't tried that yet

fresh bough
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ah, ama0 is the gpio pins

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so it should be ama1

keen parcel
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ama1 looks like it's worked

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the yellow runs a bit hot hey

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my old pi4 ran comfortably around 46C, this thing idles at least 10C hotter

fresh bough
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anything cooler than the surface of the sun appears normal for a pi system

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laughs in 40c on both my sockets

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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yikes!

graceful zealot
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Server was in the sun

shut cedar
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You can cool any Pi to 40°C, but not sure if its worth spending as much energy on cooling as on the Pi itself 😄

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60°C is nothing

graceful zealot
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Oh mine was a dual xeon 1u server that got to 56c lol

shut cedar
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@regal spindle @wintry stream have been the other two people with the same NVMe. Can you maybe share model numbers as well?

keen parcel
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updating all my esphomes pushed it up to 80C

supple robin
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throttling area 🥰

fresh bough
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lol 80c

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better get some eggs and bacon

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you can make a stirup

keen parcel
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has anyone put a little 5v fan on these things? it wouldn't take much airflow to cool it

fresh bough
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I used a POE FAN hat on my rpi4, drastically reduced the temps

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but I use that one for retro gaming only

supple robin
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big thick aluminum heatsink on my pi4 works wonders

keen parcel
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yeah my old pi4 was in an argon one case, it stayed nice and cool

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even those cheap aluminium armour cases with no fan do a good job

patent cipher
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Woohoo, just opened my yellow.. it'll sit on my table doing nothing for months until I can find a cm4..

lyric willow
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Got my yellow POE kit yesterday in the Netherlands and having some problems.
Unfortunately also had to pay (import) taxes.

Installed a CM4108032, 32Gb flash, 8Gb memory, BT and WiFi onboard but it does not seem to install home assistant.

Running it with a 12V/2A adapter. The red LED is on, the USB stick also has some activity in the beginning, but later the yellow and green LED's keep flashing like there is activity for hours. I can see that it has an IP from the DHCP server.
When I connect to the console I can see that the yellow installer image is started but the installer does not seem to do anything after booting. Removing the USB stick and applying power again, just starts with the red LED and green LED on, no activity. Where can I see what the problem is?

patent cipher
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Send me your compute module and I'll help you debug it 😂

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Anybody get it working with a knock off module? They're probably just as hard to get anyway

keen parcel
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i have the same module, following the steps in the guide worked for me

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are you trying to do an nvme boot or something fancy?

lyric willow
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I don't have a SSD, just the internal emmc.

wary pivot
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I don't know what DNS servers the installer is using, but I had some trouble with Google's yesterday. When have you tried to install?

ivory pagoda
wary pivot
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In my case, CS hasn't answered the comlaint yet. But FedEx did it's part too and charged the tax twice. In total three times paid tax. I'm a candidate for the Medal of Tax Honor now. 🤣

ivory pagoda
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When did you file the complaint?

lyric willow
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Found what the problem was. With journalctl -f --no-pager I could see it was trying to connect to port 123 (ntp) on my router which was incorrectly set. Home Assistant is now installing. I will reach out to CS for a complaint about the tax. Thanks

wary pivot
ivory pagoda
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Let's give them a bit more time then! But ofc., you should get that money back.

wary pivot
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Even twice 🤣

long current
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I searched before asking, but didn't find anything, maybe someone knows:
my Home Assistant Yellow shipment from Mouser is blocked at customs, because IOSS number is missing. It was sent directly from U.S. to Europe by FedEx. Did it happen to someone too? Do we know the number? Or should I reach to CrowdSupply?

wary pivot
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FedEx did my customs clearance within a few hours. No problem with missing data. But your issue fits to my opinion about CrowdSupply's performance. They issued wrong paperwork resulting in FedEx charging me import tax - and they declared a wrong customs value at least once.

hybrid estuary
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Hi, my Yellow (POE-kit) was blocked at Polish Customs due to insufficient description. If anyone can forward this to Paulus for him to request better description from Mouser Electronics. This might prevent others from similar situation. BTW still waiting for FedEx to resolve this. @old haven 🙂

fresh bough
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contains trace amounts of nuts

ivory pagoda
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In general, they are aware at CrowdSupply that communication went terribly wrong with FedEx. It's a pain in the ass for everyone, but they promised to refund everybody

fleet cloud
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I've installed my yellow and tried to migrate from my former conbee II stick to the built-in but but 1) I'm not sure it's been discovered properly since no serial numbers shows up when I try and migrate and 2) I have /dev/ttyAMA0, AMA1 and AMA2. Any thoughts?

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never mind. The second migration worked, luckily I kept a separate backup of the zigbee settings

heavy gale
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Got through though. Way to secure our borders, Norwegian Customs

fleet cloud
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I had no custom information at all on my box... Sweden

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If you wanted a comparison of countries...

wary pivot
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"Electronics logistics experts" 🤣

opaque summit
lucid raven
fresh bough
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I have a couple of hundred AliExpress orders per year, never had anything get stuck in customs

lone salmon
heavy gale
lucid raven
fresh bough
keen vessel
normal badge
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I just got my Yellow POE, but I'm struggeling with setting it up. I have a CM4 4GB RAM 8GB eMMC w/o WiFi.
I see little to no activity in the LED lights, and on my Google Wifi app I only see some spikes of a couple hundred bytes followed by no traffic. I have tried installing Rasbian on the CM on a IO board which works just fine.
Does anyone have some pointers or tips?

wary pivot
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But I think, the package nvme-cli might be better suited for monitoring the NVMe.

wary pivot
wicked chasm
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Sorry for the question, just for clarification: this chip on the yellow one will work in multi-PAN mode as Zigbee/OpenThread and additionally also as BLUETOOTH? Or do I need to buy (I already did) a BT-BLE dongle for Bluetooth?

wary pivot
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The onboard radio does not provide bluetooth

topaz trench
opaque summit
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FedEx usually issue invoices for imports 1-2 weeks after delivery here; so keep the champange on ice for now?

latent fern
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do they accept champagne? 🙂

hybrid estuary
wicked chasm
keen vessel
shut cedar
wicked chasm
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Home Assistent Yellow KIT (no PoE)

shut cedar
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No, I meant what Thread device.

wicked chasm
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EVE thermostat

shut cedar
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Thread on-boarding is part of the application level protocol (HomeKit/Matter). Currently we only plan to implement on-boarding with Matter. I think you'll be able to update the Eve Thermostat to Matter.

wicked chasm
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OK how to activate OpenThread on Yellow?

shut cedar
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It will be available through Settings -> System -> Hardware

wicked chasm
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OK I'm waiting for update

wary pivot
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On a Raspberry Pi I can disable the LAN port LEDs by some dtparams. Is it possible to influence those LEDs from the command line, like the act, usr and pwr ones? In /sys/class/leds/ I've found an mmc0 LED (?), but no LAN ones.

shut cedar
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No, I think these configurations are really driver specific and kernel controlled, and the settings are not exposed through /sys...

noble juniper
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I got my POE yellow and 500gb crucial nvme (listed as working) and ran the installer from USB. Blinky blinky and a few minutes later just red LED as the guide says. However, after rebooting, I just have red and green, no yellow and although the network port is blinking, I don't see a DHCP address being given to the yellow. I thought I might use the USB c port for console access and see if I could get more information, but when plugging it in to my windows machine I just get a USB device misbehaved

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So no device shows up in the device manager, and I don't get a com port to connect to.

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I'm using a cm4 lite

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I tried reinstalling from the USB (without the factory reset hold since it's a lite cm4) and it did the same thing.

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Should I try booting from a barrel jack instead of Poe?

noble juniper
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ok, seems like it was a bad usb c cable for the com port/ uart issues

wintry stream
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Anyone else update there OS to the latest and is causing HA to not start or boot up?

steady delta
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POE still estimated to ship by Friday! Crossing fingers!!

keen parcel
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so has anyone attempted to install active cooling on their yellow yet?

sour cobalt
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[ 47.540520] haos-flash[253]: Getting latest Home Assistant OS version from channel stable...
[ 47.623879] haos-flash[253]: Installing Home Assitant OS 9.4 to nowhere.
[ 47.624501] haos-flash[253]: No storage media found, exiting

I get it, does not see my SSD... anything to try, or just buy a different model?

fleet cloud
wary pivot
sour cobalt
wary pivot
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It's a SATA m.2 SSD. The Yellow just supports NVMe m.2 SSDs (except the incompatible ones).

sour cobalt
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but its keyed for both sata and nvme...

wary pivot
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The keying is correct, but it needs a SATA controller, which a CM4 doesn't have.

sour cobalt
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is there a preferred one to get? samsung i would assume, since they generally are the most trouble free.

wary pivot
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Indeed.

sour cobalt
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kk will order one up and try again.

wary pivot
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There are Timetec NVMe, but no feedback yet, if someone had trouble with it or not.

sour cobalt
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yeah not risking it.

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already have a useless one i cant return.

keen parcel
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I'm going to print a new enclosure and pop a little 5v 50mm fan on there

fresh bough
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please ensure you follow all local Aus regulations in regards to power, so you don't get fined for altering the case and cooling!

keen parcel
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i do what i want

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i fix an incendiary device to any DIY electronics so in case there's a fire, they're completely destroyed (no evidence!)

fresh bough
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<insert louise from bob burgers gif here>

final pelican
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did anyone hear something back from crowdsupply about the Tax issue?
I logged a ticket in their system last friday morning but apart from a automated email with my ticket number i've had no response at all!

wary pivot
final pelican
wary pivot
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Accidents happen - but it is a question of how many ones and how they deal with it. So I'm totally with you.

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M.nu for example cancelled my order of a SkyConnect by mistake. They contacted me before I could have sent them a message, apologized and explained what happened. Afterwards they said, they would be happy, if I place a new order and they would ensure I would still get one from the first batch.

graceful zealot
final pelican
wary pivot
noble juniper
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[ 1.346439] nvme nvme0: missing or invalid SUBNQN field. [ 1.368238] nvme nvme0: allocated 128 MiB host memory buffer. [ 1.395971] nvme nvme0: 4/0/0 default/read/poll queues [ 1.402092] GPT:Primary header thinks Alt. header is not at the end of the disk. [ 1.402126] GPT:4194303 != 976773167 [ 1.402144] GPT:Alternate GPT header not at the end of the disk. [ 1.402156] GPT:4194303 != 976773167 [ 1.402171] GPT: Use GNU Parted to correct GPT errors. [ 1.402224] nvme0n1: p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8

dusky hollow
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At this point it's just frustrating.

shut cedar
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We do factory test every device, this should not be the case. Not sure what happend, could be transportation or something else. Can you conctact our support (yellow@home-assistant.io)? Also please provide the serial number so we can lookup factory test logs.

fresh bough
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its probably the magic smoke being furious

daring cove
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Is there a graceful way to shutdown the yellow? I can't seem to find anything in the menu (unless it's under the "hardware" tab which is disabled while code is worked on.

compact quartz
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@daring cove the hardware page is disabled?

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It's the 3 dots in the upper right corner of that page

daring cove
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Settings -> System -> Hardware is there and shows the yellow, but I can't do anything WITH the yellow.

compact quartz
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3 dots

daring cove
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Ahh, right, everything else was so well laid out I wasn't even looking up there. Thanks

compact quartz
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And yes I also want it moved out of there 🙂

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Hopefully coming soon

shut cedar
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Long press the blue button should do it as well.

fleet timber
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Hey peeps, can anyone confirm if the PoE yellow will power on without the CM4 Installed? Just arrived today and the packing was questionable and I want to verify the unit at least boots with PoE, current don't have a CM4 cause of the shortage

graceful garnet
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I just wanted to share an anecdote: I got my PoE Yellow over the weekend (I love it so much, it's been perfect so far), but notably I never got an email with tracking info.

wary pivot
graceful garnet
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(so it was a happy surprise when I received it, but a surprise none-the-less)

fleet timber
compact quartz
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There would be no lights w/o cm4

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That's one of the ways to tell if your cm4 is actually seated

fleet timber
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So yea I get no lights at all, so I'll have to wait for a CM4 to confirm it's all good I guess 🙃 thanks

shut cedar
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Yeah lights are CM4 controlled, so no CM4, no lights.

wary pivot
fleet timber
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BTW this unit is sexy

fleet timber
wary pivot
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I'm tinkering with the serial console over IP. It kind of works, but it is a bit flaky.

latent fern
wary pivot
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Now we need falstaff321 to perform the Picard Maneuver on the next release stream

fresh bough
steady delta
graceful garnet
steady delta
noble juniper
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I'm not getting my cm4lite and crucial p2 500 (not 250) ssd to boot. The installer says via console that it installs successfully, and I end up with a bunch of partitions on the nvme drive, but then there's no booting after removing everything and giving power back

wintry stream
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For some reason after installing the HA OS 9.5 release my yellow keeps crashing on startup

compact quartz
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updated here fine

shut cedar
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I did install it on two instances and it worked fine here.

strong kettle
sour cobalt
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I had to pay taxes on it to come into canada, i assume that is normal?

strong kettle
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Maybe not if you already payed Tax on the order.

rose thicket
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I just got my yellow board, and I also bought a cm4 lite with wifi. I build a ubuntu image on a samsung nvme 980 ssd, but how can I boot it?

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anyone can help me with this? I read i need to flash the cm4 firmware to get nvme boot?

storm anvil
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You would typically usb-boot (after putting the installer on a stick) and let that put everything on the nvme

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or are you actually planning on going with ubuntu?

rose thicket
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yea, i want to have a consistent setup in my homelab, and I use nomad cluster bind all the hosts

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I plan to use home assistant core in a cluster setup

fresh bough
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that... is kinda out of scope for buying into an appliance with it's specific device tree

rose thicket
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is this possible? I can still mount the zigbee device on the yellow board into a docker container fight? I guess the main question is how to boot a ubuntu server from nvme ssd with yellow and a cm4 lite

fresh bough
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@shut cedar knows for sure, but it's a pretty weird usecase for a yellow

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should have just bought a pi4 or a cm4 dev board 🤷

rose thicket
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i want to maximize its utility, the cm4 i got has 8g ram and the ssd i have is 2tb..

wary pivot
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What kind of Ubuntu image (architecture) have you installed to the NVMe?

rose thicket
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i used raspi imager to load a LTS ubuntu server

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22.04.1 LTS (64bit)

wary pivot
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Okay. At least no x64 image - raises the chances

shut cedar
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Hm, I am not very familiar with the Ubuntu image for Raspberry Pi, does it support CM4 officially?

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If so, it should boot with the CM4 device tree automatically. The default CM4 device tree does not support all the hardware on Yellow, e.g. by default not all the UARTs are enabled. On Raspberry Pi OS these can be enabled through device tree overlays, not sure if that is the case with Ubuntu as well.

rose thicket
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I think so, i bought a waveshare board base-a with this cm4 a year ago, and the ubuntu server works fine on a sd card with the cm4

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i had no success to boot the cm4 from nvme on wareshare

shut cedar
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One thing is that the CM4 needs to have a recent firmware (EEPROM). You can use rpiboot to update the CM4 firmware

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Then, if the Ubuntu kernel supports NVMe, I would say it should ™️ boot.

rose thicket
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let me try to upgrade the firmware

rose thicket
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but i somehow getting rpi-eeprom-update is not enabled by default on CM4, it doesn't allow me to set CM4_ENABLE_RPI_EEPROM_UPDATE=1

shut cedar
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rpi-eeprom-update is only used to verify. The upper part should work.

noble juniper
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maybe the cm4 firmware is my issue... I have installed on my NVME twice, and it says via the console that the install was successful, but then doesn't boot.

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after applying power, I get a solid red and solid green, and no console response

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It's a cm4lite

shut cedar
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If you use the Home Assiant OS installer for Yellow it should update the CM4 firmware (via the update file mechanism).

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What NVMe are you using?

noble juniper
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crucial P2 500 (not 250)

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a friend got that one as well and did a successfull emmc storage transfer

shut cedar
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If you have the USB flash drive still plugged in, does it start to boot from there?

noble juniper
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yah. I've ordered a samsung drive, but it won't be here for a while. The partition structure seems wacky after the successful installation... does it expand the file system on first boot?

shut cedar
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Yes, data partition is expanded on first boot. You should see about 8 partitions or so

noble juniper
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It does boot from the USB drive, and I have console access

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yes, 8 partitions, not ocupying the whole drive.

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the last one is labeled data I think, and I assume would be expanded

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via console I can fdisk etc

shut cedar
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What would be interesting is if you can set the BOOT_UART=1 flag in config.txt of the first partition

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With that you'll get a serial console, however, on UART0 😰 Means on J11, so you'd need a USB to UART adapter. Do you have something like that around?

noble juniper
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yes, I have a usb to uart I believe.

shut cedar
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Maybe, before doing all that, EEPROM is indeed your issue. Trying to update the firmware using usbboot might be a quick and easy thing, and maybe resolves your issue 😅

noble juniper
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ok, I'll try that first. Then I'll try:
1. boot via installer USB, with the NVME in the 'just installed' state 2. mount the first partition and set "BOOT_UART=1" flag in config.txt 3. remove booting USB stick 4. using a usb to uart adapter and J11, look for a serial console on next boot

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Is that right?

shut cedar
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Yes

rose thicket
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is there a guide to update the firmware version for a CM4 lite using rpiboot? @shut cedar

shut cedar
latent robin
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Heyo before I left for a trip this weekend my delivery date was still on Jan 27 and when I came back it now says end of March 😂 was there a notification that I missed about delays or is it more a general adjustment for all pre-orders?

hidden root
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Hello! I Just installed WD_Black SN770 NVMe SSD drive in my Yellow but it does not recognize it. The device says it is M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 NVMe. According the the datasheet for the yellow, it should support M.2 2280. Anyone tried this drive?

fluid sedge
hidden root
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great!

steady delta
hidden root
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I looked all over for supported lists and assume 2280 M.2 since the specs say it was supported. This helps a bunch. I'll stop what I'm doing and get a supported one.

gilded mortar
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@shut cedar I guess it is a typo on the page above, the Crucial P5 is listed as 1GB disk, while it is 1TB.

hidden root
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The plus side is that I can't find a 256G now for the same price that is not an unsupported model so I'm going for a 512G that is a bit cheaper. Guess I'll buy a caddy for the other to use elsewhere.

wary pivot
dreamy spruceBOT
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@noble juniper I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
noble juniper
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so, it looks like enable_uart=1 is already set? [I didn't change it.] In the eeprom updating, the config.txt there had BOOT_UART=0, should I be changing it there and then redoing the eeprom update?

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@shut cedar please let me know if there's any way I can provide helpful data/information. My friend has a EMMC pi CM4 and the same Crucial P2 500GB nvme, and was able to do a data disk transfer, but I suspect it is still the EMMC that's actually booting.

compact quartz
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yes, the data move option leaves the read-only parts of the system on the emmc and moves the data partition to the other disk

shut cedar
noble juniper
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Ok, so I'll change to BOOT_UART=1 on the~~ config.txt~~ for the piboot emmc update command and run the emmc_update piboot script, then unjumper recovery usbc jumper and rejumper the UART jumper (though that probably won't matter), and 'boot' with a uart connected to J11, right?

noble juniper
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Ok, sorry, there's a boot.conf with BOOT_UART, and config.txt here's the contents before modification:
`$ cat boot.conf && echo ------- && cat config.txt
[all]
BOOT_UART=0
WAKE_ON_GPIO=1
POWER_OFF_ON_HALT=0

Boot Order Codes, from https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/raspberry-pi.html#BOOT_ORDER

Try SD first (1), followed by, USB PCIe, NVMe PCIe, USB SoC XHCI then network

BOOT_ORDER=0xf25641

Set to 0 to prevent bootloader updates from USB/Network boot

For remote units EEPROM hardware write protection should be used.

ENABLE_SELF_UPDATE=1

uart_2ndstage=1`

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I'll change the boot.conf to BOOT_UART=1 and leave config.txt alone as uart_2ndstage=1 (which is its only content). Correct?

long current
timber sphinx
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for my yellow UPS is claiming there’s a problem with the address which is clearly not the case

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they want to contact someone at crowdsupply which don’t seem responsive at all

marble frigate
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Has anyone received their Yellow and live in the EU? Did you get a customs fee claim after delivery from FedEx?

plush flume
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morning all! I commissioned my Yellow yesterday. I had trouble with the CM4 module not booting from USB (I took it from an older project, so the firmware was probably old) and had to break out rpiboot to get things installed. After that it was smooth sailing.

graceful zealot
graceful zealot
marble frigate
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@graceful zealot Ok, cheers. Seems like Crowd Supply has some issues. Makes me think twice next time around. Anyhow, I'll loose some small amount unnecessarily. 😕🤷🏻‍♂️

graceful zealot
compact quartz
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And apparently fixed last Friday, but too late for this last batch

dusky estuary
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Just received my Yellow PoE.. I'm trying to get it installed as we speak but only have a CM4 Lite. The current installer runs, writes to my nvme, but on power cycle doesn't grab an IP nor show any debug console output

noble juniper
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@shut cedar I have connected a ftdi usb to ttl/serial dongle to the Rx,Tx,GND on J11, and attempted to boot with a Putty serial console open and it seems like maybe it's a different baud rate?
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dusky estuary
noble juniper
dusky estuary
dusky estuary
noble juniper
wary pivot
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The Optane might be the problem. In the Raspberry forums problems with CM4 and Optane drives were mentioned - it seems not to be entirely working like a regular NVMe - maybe depending on the model. Have you tried to get some error messages from the USB-C serial console yet?

noble juniper
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yeah, I'd also be super suspicious of the Optane drive making things different

marble frigate
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@compact quartz Good to know, cheers

timber sphinx
graceful zealot
balmy beacon
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hmmm... i just got my yellow-poe and put my cm4 and nvme on it but it doesn't want to boot the installer quite right. I connected the usb-c console and it appears i can get to a command prompt over the 'serial' connection... using it i've found that it doesn't have any drives mounted. using a sabrent rocket 512gb nvme. how can i troubleshoot this?

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looks like just a few ramdrives. no lshw or apt...

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i think i'm booting from the usb installer 'live' disk.

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even at my tty i'm seeing the heartbeat yellow light on the device.

noble juniper
balmy beacon
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it's PoE, yep.

noble juniper
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is it getting a dhcp from your router? you should be able to lsblk to see if it sees the nvme drive

balmy beacon
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ahh right lsblk! forgot abotu that tool. yes i see the drive, so you're right. that's not the isssue... okay let me check dhcp and ports. maybe it's network related.

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i was thinking nvme related.

noble juniper
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it's almost certainly nvme related, but not getting an ip is one of the things/symptoms that mine is doing.... You have a cm4 lite, correct?

balmy beacon
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cm4008000 yep.

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interesting: # nslookup google.com nslookup: can't connect to remote host (1.1.1.1): Network is unreachable

noble juniper
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Yeah, if you want something that will work, order a samsung 980 and try with that.... (or so I hear... my samsung nvme won't get here 'til monday)

noble juniper
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GPIO uart serial debugging of bad nvme boot

dusky estuary
dusky estuary
noble juniper
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ok, but it's booting from the USB, not from NVME, right? it's not doing an 'installation' it's just booting from the usb disk

dusky estuary
noble juniper
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yeah, so if you unplug the usb, you'll just have a yellow that won't boot.

dusky estuary
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wish I could send an image...

Supervisor 2023.01.1
Operating System 9.4
Frontend 20230110.0 - latest```
dusky estuary
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the haos_yellow-9.5 image brings up the serial console immediately. but it does look like a USB boot.

dusky estuary
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dang. looks like I am booting from usb

silver dock
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So I can see from the last few messages that Optane is not a very compatible device.

I've set up my Yellow, got a 32GB M10 which I want to use for data. When i go to move the data disk it quickly reboots and nothing seems to happen.

What I've gathered so far is:

  • Can't find any logs regarding the move
  • The nvme is present and seemingly functioning (dmesg doesn't have any timeout or similar errors)
  • Under hardware the device is partioned and labeled "hass-data-external"
  • mountpoints are all still pointing to the emmc (mmc0blk8)

Any tips on where to go from here?

tribal horizon
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you should be able to boot from emmc or nvme.

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supposedly mine "ships" tomorrow.

timber sphinx
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my cm4 needed updating before it would boot from nvme. this was on a waveshare board

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once it was on the latest firmware the cm4 now boots nvme and netboot if you configure it that way

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so it’s ready for my yellow when it gets here

tribal horizon
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I should update the stack i have here.

dusky estuary
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I'm moving my cm4 to a carrier board and booting to the raspberry pi distro to update. Will report back if that fixes the issue.

tribal horizon
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the yellow have a boot switch?

compact quartz
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Hold the blue button for five seconds

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To shut down

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Or you can go to settings, system, hardware, three dots in the upper right corner if you have the UI

dusky estuary
wary pivot
dusky estuary
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except. this doesn't work for a "lite" board

dusky estuary
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still exploring. but I couldn't get regular raspi-linux to boot until I disabled these in config.txt

#dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d
#max_framebuffers=2
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completed all the updates.. Booting with the HA Yellow installer written to a USB I see the following logs

yellow-installer login: [   18.397079] vc4-drm gpu: [drm] Cannot find any crtc or sizes
[   35.804861] cam-dummy-reg: disabling
[   45.766913] haos-flash[226]: Getting latest Home Assistant OS version from channel stable...
[   45.945850] haos-flash[226]: Installing Home Assitant OS 9.4 to nvme0n1.
dusky estuary
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and yes.. the internet is correct. my Intel P1600x, while detected, and writeable as a data drive does not work as a boot drive. :/ that's very very disappointing.

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I switched to a little m.2 2232 128gb samsung drive, and BOOM, it came up.

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this is sad. I was looking forward to the TBW the optane drive gave me.

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Also, I accidentally shorted the top of one of my cm4's against some metal and it doesn't boot now. if anyone is interested in trying to fix it PM me.

paper surge
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Got my yellow today 🎉 now i have a question regarding migration. At the moment I’m using a Raspi with a SSD. Everything is booted from there. My CM4 has no internal storage. Is it possible to just insert the SSD into the yellow and boot from there?

fluid sedge
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I would just take a backup, reinstall, and restore because OS image for Yellow has additional device support that the pi image doesn't have

paper surge
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And the OS is automatically installed on the SSD if no internal storage is present?

tribal horizon
#

still waiting on my yellow to ship, supposedly "today"

fresh bough
paper surge
fresh bough
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Then you need to buy an NVMe that works

paper surge
fresh bough
#

But, the raspi has no m2 connectors 🤔

paper surge
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Usb adapters 😉

fresh bough
#

Then, you'll probably be fine if your device isn't sata and is supported

paper surge
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My device is definitely supported (already checked)

fresh bough
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So, backup, move backup off system, move drive, reinstall haos with yellow version, restore backup

paper surge
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I hope so, because i would clean the ssd before inserting it into the yellow. And if it doesn’t work then (because maybe only emmc is supported for installation) I have a problem because of the cleaned ssd

fresh bough
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No

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It defaults to install on emmc if you have it

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If you don't have it it will install on the nvme

paper surge
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Alright, thank you 🙏🏼

fresh bough
silver dock
paper surge
silver dock
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Ah

fresh bough
balmy beacon
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does the nvme need to be formated with a partition to work?

fresh bough
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Pretty sure it doesn't matter, guessing the installer just dd's

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But it needs to be supported, not all are

balmy beacon
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i'm trying to install on my new yellow but two problems... it doesn't detect network (but it's poe, so it should have network). and the installer seems to stall out... i can get a tty via usb serial. that being said the nvme is detected and shows up in lsblk

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are you aware of any docs that outline which nvme are supported? i hope i didn't buy something i shouldn't have...

fresh bough
hybrid path
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My Yellow is supposed to ship today. Fingers crossed.

balmy beacon
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hmm. thanks. this sabrent rocket supposedly meets that crieteria... and like i said, i can see it in lsblk.

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so i feel like that might not be my issue... more the network issue not picking up.

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eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq qlen 1000 link/ether e4:5f:01:e6:2b:a7 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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Does anything else linkup on that port @balmy beacon ?

paper surge
balmy beacon
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just tried a diff (and longer) network cable... seems to be a bad run in the wall. 😦

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thanks for your help. i've isolated the issue...i think it has connectivity but not all pairs are proper on that run.

graceful zealot
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Most likely where it failed

balmy beacon
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yep. there are several places where it could have failed. will have to get out the tester tomorrow.

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really really hoping it's not the home-run in the wall.

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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Only need one side of the connection to have "link" up on the other side of the connection

balmy beacon
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hmm... now will it do anything if i have the tty console plugged in? it has network now but it doesn't seem to be doing anything

fresh bough
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best regards someone who has done network termination for 25 years

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and failed a few times

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😄

balmy beacon
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should i just leave it for a few hours?

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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TX and RX is a crossing matter

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if you have TX working on one end, and RX working on the other end

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the RX end will linkup

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wheras the TX end will not

graceful zealot
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Ah

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That makes sense

fresh bough
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Normally 20 minutes should suffice afaik @balmy beacon

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Same goes for fiber optics too @graceful zealot

paper surge
fresh bough
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And then there is the confusing matter of 1000Base-TX vs 1000Base-T

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which we don't see much these days

graceful zealot
fresh bough
balmy beacon
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it's times like this i miss the ability to put my finger on a spinning drive to determine if it's reading/writing... :/

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putting my finger on the nvme doesn't really let me feel the bits flowing... ya know?

fresh bough
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That's because you are supposed to use your tongue

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DUH!

balmy beacon
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[   35.804787] cam-dummy-reg: disabling
[   45.780982] audit: type=1334 audit(1646984054.403:11): prog-id=0 op=UNLOAD
[   45.787940] audit: type=1334 audit(1646984054.403:12): prog-id=0 op=UNLOAD
[   45.794902] audit: type=1334 audit(1646984054.403:13): prog-id=0 op=UNLOAD
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lol

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hmm it still hasn't progressed from that message.

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huzzah... so i had to make a partition on the nvme. it was entirely blank. seems to be installing now

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[ 269.175400] haos-flash[256]: Successfully installed Home Assistant OS, shutting down the system

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rejoice!

paper surge
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I’m now at the onboarding screen and choosed the option to restore a backup. After confirming I just see the onboarding screen again. As far as i can remember, there should be a restore page with progress? 🤔

fresh bough
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interesting

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I assumed it just dd'd to the drive

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@balmy beacon

graceful zealot
fresh bough
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I have never used a backup so I wouldn't know LeoLaugh

paper surge
fresh bough
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it's when the yellow and red leds go RGB you know you have issues

paper surge
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So the red led should never turn on during normal operation?

fresh bough
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well, if a red led turns something other than red

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was my joke

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😄

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best regards low power electronics engineer

paper surge
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Ah sorry, red is always on, yellow and green are flashing

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It’s like during installation

paper surge
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Cancelled the last restore, did a new setup and this time completed the onboarding. The result is the same, after uploading and clicking on restore no new popup or page shows up. Only difference this time, the UI is not reachable anymore.

wary pivot
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That's normal. It needs some time to rebuild.

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And after restoring the backup, you should reboot the host.

paper surge
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So there is indeed no restore page? I was sure that i have seen one 2 years ago

paper surge
wary pivot
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The HA login screen will be reachable. And after login, you can reboot the host using the menu. Otherwise your add-ons might have problems.

torpid pulsar
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Hey y'all, I was wondering if there is some rough information available somewhere that can roughly translate an order date to a shipping date for Yellow PoE? I see here some are getting shipped but I have no clue when mine will be. Does someone here have some info on that? Cheers. (ordered dec 15).

wary pivot
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Someone of the Nabu Casa team might have some better insight, when the next shipments arrive. If you meant December 2022, I wouldn't expect it to be very soon.

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I suppose you had a look at the estimated shipping date in your CS account.

torpid pulsar
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I mean 2022 yes 😄 .. I'm not aware of an estimated date in my CS account... just looking at it now. Ah yes it does mention it there: est ship date is 31 march 2023

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Thank you Jorg for pointing that out.

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I was roughly counting on March so that works out more or less if all goes according to plan

wary pivot
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But that date is just a rough estimate. It might be delayed.

paper surge
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The yellow is up now with the backup. It has just one strange problem, all the addons showing as stopped, although they are started

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Of course I already did multiple reboots

wary pivot
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That's the add-on problem I talked about. You need to reboot the host, not HA.
Settings - System - Hardware - 3-dot menu - Reboot system

paper surge
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🤦🏻‍♂️

wary pivot
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Had the same problem 😆

paper surge
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Maybe you have an idea for one last problem -> the mqtt integration is unable to connect to the mqtt addon

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I have deleted and installed the mqtt addon before because of the addon not started problem

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But as far as i know the users should always be in sync with HA?

# 
2023-01-27 13:58:20: New connection from 172.30.32.1:35409 on port 1883.
2023-01-27 13:58:20: Client <unknown> disconnected, not authorised.
2023-01-27 13:58:34: New connection from 172.30.32.1:46441 on port 1883.
error: received null username or password for unpwd check
graceful zealot
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Sounds like there is a user issue then

paper surge
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but how to fix it? according to the addon I should not configure anything for the users

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the integration is using the default homeassistant user

wary pivot
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Remove the MQTT integration, restart HA and it should be auto-discovered again.

paper surge
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Would this have any impact on my device configurations?

ivory pagoda
#

@torpid pulsar @wary pivot There are almost 2k devices on their way from HongKong to Texas by container ship since yesterday!
It's 1.1k Kits POE and 859 Std. Yellows (with CM4 that is).
Expected arrival in the Mouser warehouse is Mid February and from there it will be sent out! I hope, @torpid pulsar, yours is amongst those 🤞

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Let's just hope that sending it out works waaayyy better this time with taxes and stuff 🙈

torpid pulsar
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@ivory pagoda cheers for the update. Appriciate it. Yes mine is a PoE kit since I figured I'd be quicker at procuring a CM4 reducing the bottleneck potential. I've indeed seen some issue with taxes people had. Hasn't been a problem for me in the past (receiving packages with prepaid taxes from abroad, like from digi-key) . Let's hope mines in there.

ivory pagoda
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I honestly hope this was a one-time f$%&up!

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Taxes I mean and double charging

graceful zealot
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Hopefully mouser have improved their communication with fedex

wary pivot
wary pivot
ivory pagoda
wary pivot
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I'm trying to disable the LAN port LEDs.
I've added the following to the config.txt:

# Disable green Ethernet LED
dtparam=eth_led0=4
# Disable yellow Ethernet LED
dtparam=eth_led1=4

After reboot the green LED is disabled as expected, but the yellow one is still flashing. Is HAOS Yellow somehow modified concerning the LAN port LEDs?

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Nevermind... just found falstaff321's reported issue on GitHub. Is there any info, when the new fixed kernel will be available in HAOS? Update to HAOS 9.5 seems to fix it.

balmy beacon
# noble juniper Yeah, if you want something that will work, order a samsung 980 and try with tha...

i got my setup to work this morning ... do you see your drive in lsblk when connected via usb-c console? (connect to the serial connection, login as root, and type lsblk at the prompt)

it detected my drive but it didn't have any partitions on the nvme... i just made a partition using fdisk and it worked. fdisk /dev/nvme0n1 then n then p then whatever was default for the remainder of the questions, then w. that'll make a default partition on the nvme ... after rebooting it started the install without problems.

noble juniper
balmy beacon
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😦 sorry @noble juniper good news is that you've got a known compatible drive on the way.

steady delta
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Soooo... I emailed Crowd Supply and they said that they didn't ship my Yellow because it had a CM4 on the order

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but I got that email back in October telling me they had to remove it

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so I thought it was removed, but apparently not

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So if you haven't had your Yellow ship yet and you have a CM4 still on your order, you might need to contact Crowd Supply to get them to remove it for your order to ship.

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I am going to assume that because I waited to ping them about this that I won't get it until the next delivery wave, which sucks a bit, but it is what it is

noble juniper
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OK, I got my Crucial P2 500 GB nvme drive to work. It seems to be that my cm4 lite didn't have the eeprom updated to have the nvme boot option. Also, updating a cm4 lite eeprom is a bit of a goosechase

noble juniper
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@shut cedar I think I'm rate limited or spam blocked in our thread.

dusky estuary
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I'm trying to standup haproxy in front of my hew HA Yellow installation. when I point the backend to homeassistant:8123 I get a 400: bad request message. What am I missing?

dusky estuary
graceful zealot
keen parcel
#

what sort of clearance is there between the top of the heatsink and the inside of the case?

keen parcel
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asking for a friend who wants to install a fan

noble juniper
noble juniper
# paper surge But not the raspi which is currently in use

One thing to be aware of... Your cm4 lite needs to have an up to date eeprom that supports nvme boot. This is different from usbnvme mass storage which your current pi is using (it's a different option) if your cm4 lite is old, it might not have the nvme option in the eeprom, and it is a bit of a process to get a cm4 lite eeprom updated.

noble juniper
lament saddle
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How long does one need to wait for the Yellow to boot off the USB?

lament saddle
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Could use some help with setting up the Yellow, i have it assembled CM4 and NVME SSD, have the PoE version, i plug it in with the created USB stick for installing it and it does nothing i have a green and a red light permanently solid.

lament saddle
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Seems it did not want to boot with the SSD in.

lament saddle
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Seems the 980 Pro Samsung NVME is not supported. Yellow refuses to boot with it installed. Both Red and Greed Lights come on stay on and remain so forever.

wary pivot
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Do you use a CM4 lite or one with eMMC?

lament saddle
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one with eMMC

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CM4108032

lament saddle
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I'll buy a usb enclosure to check the NVME SSD. Not sure what i am missing i thought this was the whole point of the Yellow.

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Getting it to run on the NVME among other things.

silver dock
#

can you somehow get home assistant to use a disk that was already used on a previous install for data, or somehow wipe the disk without having to actually physically putting it into another system?

wary pivot
silver dock
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Honestly I think putting into a system and clearing the partition is gonna be easier than killing the installer over serial to escape into a root console and low level format the device

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Thanks for the help though 😀

sage robin
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Has anyone been able to get the yellow radio to work in multiprotocol mode yet?

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I fully accept that this could be a PICNIC error but I simply don't understand what the docs are telling me to do

wary pivot
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If you wait for the 2023.2 release, the option/button to switch to the multiproticol in Settings - System - Hardware will be available again. That should set everything up for you.

sage robin
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Excellent news! Thank you 👍

lament saddle
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Are there any known issues with support for NVME ssd's?

wary pivot
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Some are reported as incompatible.

fluid sedge
noble juniper
noble juniper
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but normally I would expect it to just install to the emmc and boot from that instead of hanging.

noble juniper
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@lament saddle the installer can also hang up if it doesn't have network access. I've seen and also heard of poe providing power but it still fails to actually get network ip.

quiet lintel
#

Hi! I have a Yellow and a CM4102000 as well as a PNY CS1030 SSD - Yesterday, I've installed HA from a USB stick to it and by observing it on the serial console I've seen it finished the installation. Removing the USB stick and rebooting, but the instance never showed up. Now I wanted to debug this or reinstall this but without success; I don't see any serial output unless I remove the SSD from the system. Resetting the OS using the red/blue buttons described in the documentation, did not seem to work. Unfortunately I don't have a M-key usb adapter to format the SSD on my other machine. Has anyone an idea what I could do?

lament saddle
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i'd love to see what error it gives when it gets stuck

quiet lintel
#

I just joined this channel but I am reading up on your messages; looks like you have the same issue than I do. I am also running the PoE version (but I am still powering it from a power supply as I don't have PoE on my desk). If this is the same for you, you still need to connect an ethernet cable because the installer from USB requires a network connection to download the latest version (First, I misinterpreted this in the installation guide)

lament saddle
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I power it straight from the proper ETH

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the thing works just fine with the SSD unplugged

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I was worried that for whatever reason it would not have sufficient power for the SSD as well but if you power it trough the power adapter and it still does not work it puts my mind at ease.

quiet lintel
lament saddle
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i got an adapter coming to check the SSD

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maybe it itself is a dud

#

Funny enough I couldn't find any lights error message for green and red showing solid light but doing nothing.

#

I'm fine if it's a software problem i can eventually get addressed

#

i want to eliminate a hardware issue

#

btw i installed HA trough the USB rpiboot

#

and once it was up and running tried to put the SSD back in but it got stuck again at the same start-up stage

#

so its 100% stuck before any booting can occur

quiet lintel
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Ah, I think I was able to fix it

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I updated the bootloader of the CM4 and now it booted off the SSD

#

I've cloned https://github.com/raspberrypi/usbboot, build the files with make. In the directory recover I run ../rpiboot -d . to flash the latest build. You need to bridge the USB_C Rcvry jumper on the yellow and set JP1 to USB. When its finished, its flashing green, disconnected the power and unbridged the first jumper and set JP1 back to UART. Now it booted off the SSD and I also see the serial output of it doing so 🙂

lament saddle
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That's roughly how i installed it but on the eMMC

#

What did you change in the bootloader?

quiet lintel
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Nothing really, but with that I updated it to the latest version which contains fixes to boot from ssd

lament saddle
#

i see so someone should update the HA image for the yellow in Raspberry Pi Imager with this i guess?

quiet lintel
quiet lintel
lament saddle
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i was reading trough that 10 minutes ago

#

yeah me too

#

but i was using HA for a few years now

#

i migrated from a HA Blue

#

If i manage to boot with the SSD in i believe i have to reinstall everything again right?

quiet lintel
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I am using it in a docker instance on my NAS for a year now but backed the yellow because the setup makes more sense to me 🙂

#

No, reinstallation should not be necessary

#

I am bit afk now, let me know how it worked out!

lament saddle
#

i'll give it a go later this evening

#

otherwise i might wait until i get the enclosure for the SSD to check it first, maybe firmware update that thing as well.

opaque summit
fresh bough
#

Expectations + crowdsupply = hmmchicken

opaque summit
#

When development is done and only production remains that shouldnt be unpoissible?

wary pivot
fresh bough
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The part time worker who is currently sick you say

wary pivot
#

Minor details...

wary pivot
#

My Yellow keeps crashing. It seems to reboot, but web access via port 8123 or 4357 isn't possible anymore. On soft reboot it doesn't sync time anymore - I need to cut the power and reboot. Via the serial console I can access journalctl. The last logs before the crash were:

Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device /dev/disk/by-label/hassos-data.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for HassOS data partition.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Docker Application Container Engine.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: docker.service: Job docker.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Docker persistent data.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: var-lib-docker.mount: Job var-lib-docker.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for Grow File System on /mnt/data.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: systemd-growfs@mnt-data.service: Job systemd-growfs@mnt-data.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: mnt-data.mount: Job mnt-data.mount/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for HassOS data resizing.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: hassos-expand.service: Job hassos-expand.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: Dependency failed for File System Check on /dev/disk/by-label/hassos-data.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-hassos\x2ddata.service: Job systemd-fsck@dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-hassos\x2ddata.service/start failed with result 'dependency'.
Jan 29 17:03:27 homeassistant systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-hassos\x2ddata.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2dlabel-hassos\x2ddata.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
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Wow. The serial console is spitting out many I/O errors and EXT4-fs errors now.

fresh bough
#

Yikes

wary pivot
#

And a reboot with not syncing time again.

#

And now the big question:
defect Yellow, defect CM4, defect SSD or defect software 🤔

supple robin
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corrupt data

fluid sedge
#

I/O errors on what device? SSD, eMMC?

wary pivot
#

nvme0n1

fluid sedge
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I'd make sure that everything is seated properly first. Reseat the NVMe drive, reseat the CM4, make sure they have solid connections

steady delta
opaque summit
#

No, I ordered just the PoE Kits and CM4 from digikey figured that would be the fastest, it was by a large margin.

steady delta
#

That's good at least!

opaque summit
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It'll ship when it ships, but would be nice to have some idea.

steady delta
#

Yeah, same

dusky estuary
dusky estuary
dusky estuary
silver dock
#

It's still a bit crazy to me that you need to break into serial because there's an arbitrary label on the filesystem though 🤷‍♂️

dusky estuary
#

if anyone wants to update the good/bad nvme list.
Working - Samsung PM991 128gb 2230
Not working - Intel Optane P1600x 118GB

quiet lintel
dusky estuary
quiet lintel
dusky estuary
silver dock
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I thought the installer was supposed to update the bootloader to the newest version? Can you see the running bootloader version over serial or otherwise?

lament saddle
#

SSD seems good in a USB enclosure, but i can't update it's firmware trough this and i have nothing handy to put it in a PCIE slot.

#

Does anyone know of a good way to do the bootloader update from windows?

#

can i then easily move my current install on the eMMC to the SSD? if it boots with the SSD after the bootloader update.

quiet lintel
quiet lintel
lament saddle
wary pivot
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If the NVMe is detected, yes. Just did one migration - had to wipe my Yellow and restore a backup. Let's hope it just was a data corruption and to hardware failure.

#

The OS stays on the eMMC, the data will be moved to the NVMe.

noble juniper
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@shut cedar I can't post in our thread anymore... not sure why. regarding the usb installer updating the eeprom, it's my understanding that ~~the ~~ some cm4 lite (particularly older ones) are prevented from updating its own eeprom with self-update set to 0

wary pivot
#

Oh dear. After full wipe, reseating CM4, NVMe and restoring the backup the Yellow keeps crashing. Hasn't been stable for 5 hours. It crashed, is missing the NVMe (not showing in lsblk - Samsung 980 1TB) and systemd-time-wait-sync.service times out. No web UI is starting unless it is cut from power.

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After cutting power the NVMe is back again (for a while).

plush flume
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What are you using for a power supply?

wary pivot
#

12V 2A

shut cedar
shut cedar
wary pivot
#

Observer has been dead as well. Ping seems to have worked - but not 100% sure until the next crash. The Yellow got it's reserved IP - so DHCP seems to have worked.

#

The OS itself was still responsive via serial console.

jade fox
wary pivot
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Don't think that is recommended.

fresh bough
#

Car battery will be anywhere between 15-11v without regulation, I'm guessing you won't connect it directly to the battery as that would yield very low uptime

#

Without charge it will of course drop below 11v too

#

So, no good scenarios

#

Rather, what is the usecase

wary pivot
lament saddle
fresh bough
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I like it

quiet lintel
lament saddle
#

Maybe they Update the HA Yellow image as well at some point

noble juniper
lament saddle
noble juniper
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it seems like maybe before around spring 2021? But anyway it can be changed, just with another computer using the usbboot software.

#

Do you have another raspberry pi? I think I'll try to put together a tutorial

lament saddle
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i have a windows machine

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Used rpiboot before with the usb-c, but i can use it if it has an already compiled executable/installer

#

i can't compile it myself

#

and i can't download executables from other people for security reasons :/

noble juniper
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I gave up with my windows machine and just used Linux...

lament saddle
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I have no spare PI's, i got a PI.hole running that i don't want to tamper with, and the ODROID HA Blue was running on.

noble juniper
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Ok, it's probably not impossible with the windows machine. But you say you can't download executables

lament saddle
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Yeah have to wait for official release so yeah 😫

noble juniper
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I'm pretty confused, as the official release would be an executable?

lament saddle
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I'm sure someone who is in charge of all this on HA side will be looking into it, i'm just not sure who it is so i can submit something, bug report, support message etc.

lament saddle
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maybe they forgot

shut cedar
lament saddle
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I believe that installer is old and does not have the NVME boot update on it or something like that.

shut cedar
lament saddle
#

indeed, i would need the EEPROM updater.

#

readily compiled for windows use

shut cedar
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Also, it is at least new enough to set ENABLE_SELF_UPDATE=1.

lament saddle
#

My Yellow did not boot with the 980 Pro

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green and red lights solid

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so i installed it onto the eMMC via rpiboot without the SSD

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i put the SSD back in after and it refused to boot again

shut cedar
lament saddle
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someone here said he had the same issues that got fixed after he did the EEPROM update via the tool linked previously

shut cedar
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Do you have OS shell access to that system? (e.g serial console?)

wary pivot
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Wasn't that for the CM4 lite boot problem? 🤔

lament saddle
shut cedar
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When did you buy your CM4?

lament saddle
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My Yellow is live atm so i can't do maintenance without proper planning

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end of last year

noble juniper
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Mine was cm4 lite, yes. If freaky has emmc and it's not booting that's not going to be an eeprom thing, I don't think

lament saddle
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Funny enough there is no mention in the support docs what solid red and solid green lights and no action means in terms of errors.

#

So i will have to attempts the console maybe it shows what's going on

#

I put the SSD in a USB enclosure and it works like a charm so i don't think it's the NVME itself.

#

There is a small chance the NVME might need a firmware update itself, but i have no means to connect it to a PCIE for now to check.

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I'm a bit distraught that i was unfortunate enough for this whole thing to turn so complicated. 😦

shut cedar
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In general, the Home Assistant Operating System Installer for Yellow auto-updates the EEPROM to a recent version which supports NVMe boot.

However, CM4 which come with very old bootloaders (releases before 2021, so presumably CM4 which have been produced in 2021 or early 2022) did not had self update enabled.

If you happen to have a CM4 which does not have self-update enabled, then you'd need to manually update.

lament saddle
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Is there a way to check that from a running HA ?

shut cedar
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You can check if auto-updated worked by reading out EEPROM version (from a root OS shell, either via debug SSH access or serial console):

curl https://gist.githubusercontent.com/agners/3268b161b719a7d9c3cc8cc04b4acc4d/raw/f0d700d8977c9e6bac05a21d956f0c905dcc2041/rpi-eeprom-ver.sh | sh

If that says Fri Nov 4 15:19:15 UTC 2022, you got the EEPROM update from the Yellow installer.

lament saddle
shut cedar
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No.

lament saddle
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HA does not let me SSH into it atm

#

but you mentioned serial or debug so both i guess mean direct cable

shut cedar
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But if eMMC boot with NVMe data disk works, why do you want to change?

lament saddle
#

it doesn't

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my SSD isn't plugged in, the system does not move if i plug it in

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stays frozen on power on

#

it runs off the eMMC atm

shut cedar
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Even though it boots from eMMC? That is very curious

lament saddle
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yeah

shut cedar
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Sounds as if boot order of the CM4 got changed?

lament saddle
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if i shut it down now and plug in the NVME, it lights up and stays there forever

shut cedar
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Strange, yeah output of serial console would be good to have, it likely tell us something.

lament saddle
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Yeah will set it up this weekend so i can power it down gracefully and move it to my desk area to connect

#

i need to keep mantenance to under 1h sessions and not overlap with exact hours otherwise my whole energy metering breaks

noble juniper
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Freaky what's the partition structure of the nvme right now?

wary pivot
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@shut cedar Regarding my crashing Yellow. I'm trying to catch such a crash live on the serial console. But Murphy's Law applies - as soon as I have an eye on it, it doesn't want to crash.
Do you have any recommendations for troubleshooting? I could swap my components - CM4, NVMe (same model) and power supply (12V 2A from another manifacturer or 12V 3A)

lament saddle
shut cedar
wary pivot
shut cedar
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So you are running same Core/Supervisor since then?

wary pivot
#

Supervisor 2023.01.1 and HA 2023.1.7.

shut cedar
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2023.01.1 got bumped 4 days ago. I mean, if it still is a problem, it will happen at one point, so ideally just continue to monitor the serial console.

wary pivot
#

Would a cma alloc error on the console be relevant?

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cma: cma_alloc: alloc failed, req-size: 1 pages, ret: -16

daring cove
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Newbie question: Is there any reason not to install MQTT on my yellow (So far only zigbee devices but will be esphome devices, etc. in near future). And would doing this actually help me make use of existing ideas like monitoring and alerting on battery levels of all my devices via node-red flows that listen to mqtt for messages, etc.?

latent fern
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MQTT has two parts - the broker and the client. The broker (available as an addon as "Mosquitto") is the central server, and clients (including the MQTT integration in HA) connects to it (as do other services, devices). Neither matter if you have no services/devices that expect to communicate through the broker

rose thicket
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which device under /dev/ is the zigbee radio on yellow

dusk vortex
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/dev/ttyAMA1

rose thicket
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nice, thanks

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lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root           7 Sep  9 18:47 serial1 -> ttyAMA0```
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its ttyAMA0 for me

#

whats ttysS0 ?

dusk vortex
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It's definitely /dev/ttyAMA1

rose thicket
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lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root           7 Sep  9 18:47 serial1 -> ttyAMA0
crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 204,  64 Jan 30 08:41 ttyAMA0```
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I don't have tty ttyAMA1

dusk vortex
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ubuntu@ubuntu?

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That doesn't look like HA OS

rose thicket
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yea, i use ubuntu on yellow and doing HS core container mode

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thats why i need to mount in the device

dusk vortex
rose thicket
#

I see, thanks

shut cedar
steady delta
daring cove
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Thanks @steady delta . If there is a decent writeup on publishing events to it I could read through that you know about I would appreciate it. Otherwise I'll stretch my google fu.

rose thicket
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I cant see /dev/ttyAMA1 port under ubuntu, is there anything adapter I should install?

dusk vortex
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It may not be /dev/ttyAMA1 if you're not using Home Assistat OS. Look at what new ports have appeared.

wary pivot
rose thicket
#

how can I fix this?

#

so ubuntu uses a different device tree vs raspbian?

tribal horizon
#

anyone else order a yellow POE and not receive it yet? I ordered dec 27 2021. Show's a shipping date of Jan 27 but it hasn't shipped.

wary pivot
tribal horizon
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yeah, just fired off a question in response to the email I got back in oct 22 saying my cm4 would be canceled if I didn't do anything.

#

they never canceled the cm4.

wary pivot
wary pivot
steady delta
daring cove
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In this case all messages relating to batteries on bat powered zigbee devices.

wary pivot
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Zigbee devices themselves cannot use MQTT. They would need software, which translates everything into MQTT messages, e.g. Zigbee2MQTT. Zigbee2MQTT's support for Yellow's zigbee radio is experimental only. Zigbee devices should report their battery level via ZHA too.

daring cove
#

Yeah, in this case I was borrowing someones Node-red flows that pulled in the status and built nice reports/alerts. And that was built on following the MQTT stream looking for the relevant data. I'm dropping that and moving in another direction and keeping a clean ZHA install. will deal with misbehaving devices via quirk updates/requests/etc.

steady delta
ivory pagoda
# tribal horizon anyone else order a yellow POE and not receive it yet? I ordered dec 27 2021....

@tribal horizon @opaque summit @hybrid path We have no clue how CrowdSupply prioritizes orders and shipments. From the same outside perspective as yours it's difficult to understand 🤷‍♂️ and I'm sorry for your experience. But: There's 1.1k SkyConnects on a container ship sailing to the Mouser warehouse right now. They should be sent out from there around Mid February. I hope, yours are amongst those and I hope, waiting will finally be over 🤞!

compact talon
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Is there a new release date I haven’t seen yet? I ordered on July 8th 2022 & the last update I saw was estimated shipping on Jan 27th.

Overall was just wanting to know if there’s a new eta

daring cove
ivory pagoda
opaque summit
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crowdsupply say

The best way to find out a product’s manufacturing and shipping status is to check the Updates section of its project page.
so maybe I can re-phrase my earlier question; is there a new update planned?

steady delta
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My POE shipped today after they removed the CM4 from my order yesterday!

ivory pagoda
# opaque summit crowdsupply say > The best way to find out a product’s manufacturing and shippi...

There is! We're in talks to CrowdSupply about an update.
The above statement is a bit unfair though. True that we could update on production and shipment (to their warehouse that is, not your doorstep) - and fair enough that this could be reflected better on the project page, but I assume, you don't care much about production and shipment to the mouser warehouse, you probably care about delivery from there to your door. And this is a blackbox for us as well. So "shipping status" is a bit misleading here.
Be it like it is, we're in the process of consolidating information from both sides in order to update information on the CrowdSupply project page.

fleet cloud
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I got my PoE version last week. Ordered end of July -22 so i’m guessing it’s a bit of a waiting time. Information is abysmal

shy saffron
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Anyone in the UK received their Yellow? Curious if you incurred any additional import duties on top of the prepaid VAT through CrowdSupply?

US $246 for the 2GB Yellow including international shipping and 20% VAT.

wary pivot
#

If the carrier charges/charged you import duties, it was a mistake and CrowdSupply pays a reimbursement. It takes some time for their customer support to answer, but they sort it out when you send them the receipt.

lament saddle
mystic iron
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Strange. In mine the CM4 is stated as removed on the order page, and the shipment date is the 27th of June, still no shipment

tidal storm
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Hi! My yellow is set to arrive here by the end of this week. I'm looking into hardware and I just saw J9 connector right on the onboard zigbee chip. I'm not sure if my board will arrive with this component filled or not, but my question is: is this the antenna connector for zigbee radio? If so, it's already connected to radio or software-selectable?

tender arrow
boreal quest
wary pivot
boreal quest
boreal quest
wary pivot
#

Well... the Incoterms DDP and DAP sound familiar. 🤣

shy saffron
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Placed an pre-order today for the Yellow Kit, as I would ideally like a 4GB compute module, but looking at the last stock dates on rpilocater.com for CM4002000, CM4002016 and CM4002032 I suspect I may have an empty Yellow kit sat on my desk for quite a while. Perhaps I should order the Yellow instead and try and sell on the 2GB CM if/when I can get my hands on another one.

rose thicket
wary pivot
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There is most propably no copy & paste solution. You would have to understand the boot process of a Pi and how to modify the OS and/or kernel.

compact quartz
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Ubuntu isn't recommended as a choice to begin with, no matter the hardware.

rose thicket
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i see, how about just regular raspi os lite?

compact quartz
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Ordering a Yellow and then trying to put Ubuntu on it, sure...you can do whatever you want, but there aren't going to be guides

#

How about regular HA OS?

#

which is kind of the idea here

#

Inventing your own install method is going to be your own adventure

rose thicket
#

I just want to get boot the pi with on board ttyAMA1 on yellow

#

the HA OS is based on base raspi os, there should be a way right?

wary pivot
#

HAOS isn't Raspbian.

opaque summit
#

what do you want ttyAMA1 for - as a console / login shell?

compact quartz
#

HA OS is based on buildroot

wary pivot
#

@opaque summit Kaejer wants to access the Zigbee/Thread module.

opaque summit
#

dtoverlay=uart4,ctsrts should be available in raspios (edit: in config.txt) and work presumably, but would need to setup openocd or something for the swd interface i guess

shy saffron
#

Is it worth getting a CM 4 with eMMC if you are installing an NVMe SSD immediately? Or is it better to run HAOS on eMMC and keep the SSD for user data? Any disadvantages of either option I should be aware of please?

rose thicket
opaque summit
compact quartz
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I wouldn't go the CM4 lite route with this

compact quartz
# rose thicket ah, i see.. a lot for me to learn.. is there a guide somewhere that can help me ...

This was made with Home Assistant in mind, as a home automation hub and not a general purpose device outside of the HA OS images that are made for it. While you can tinker all you like, there aren't going to be many guides here in the HA community as it's extremely niche. You might find another user or two but these are only getting in hands now. Not to be discouraging or rude but there just won't be much help here for breaking out of the appliance it is meant to be. HA OS uses an ecosystem of containers in docker to provide other services outside of HA, and is specifically meant to work with the hardware present on the carrier board, etc.

fluid sedge
#

It's kinda like buying a Steam Deck and then running FreeBSD on it

opaque summit
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^ which would be totally rad .. but not quite worth the effort

rose thicket
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I still want to use HA on it, thats why I want to enable zigbee radio device. just want to max its utility. I used to run HASS on ubuntu using docker container

opaque summit
#

you could try try adding the dtoverlay line to /boot/config.txt on raspios or to /boot/firmware/config.txt on ubuntu, but i would hardly recommend it as you'll be out of some of the other features of the yellow as well

rose thicket
#

what would be the other features I should be worry about? I think i can live without the led and buttons

opaque summit
#

usb c console/otg, firwmare update for zigbee, debug console, probably more. but you're free to try it and see how far you get - but i suspect the solution to pretty much any issues would be "ha os"

rose thicket
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thank you so much, your solution works. zigbee firmware upgrade seems important, hopefully, I can find a way to do that

dusk vortex
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You'll have to manually do it with https://github.com/NabuCasa/universal-silabs-flasher. Do note that you will also have to manually run the multi-PAN addon as a normal Docker container to use multi-PAN on the Yellow, as otherwise you can only use it as a Zigbee radio (without Thread).

rose thicket
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ah, thanks a lot, this will be very helpful. I used to have different ad-ons running in containers.

opaque summit
dusk vortex
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I believe the chips come with a bootloader straight from the factory so all you need is serial

polar scarab
#

oopsie. I might have just fried my database, I happily updated my mariadb container while - I think - the database upgrade was in progress. recorder and ofc a bunch of other stuff won't start. is there any path to salvage this?

#

can't login to the database anymore thru phpmyadmin. sounds fried

polar scarab
#

mariadb doesn't recognize the HA database anymore, doesn't show up in phpmyadmin. anyone willing to help troubleshoot? because i'm in way over my head...

#

sorry wrong thread

shut cedar
opaque summit
#

I'll bookmark that for completely unrelated stuff as I had trouble finding bcm2835gpio paramters that worked reliably with the cm4

shut cedar
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Command used to flash is

openocd -f interface/yellow.cfg -f target/efm32s2.cfg program {firmware} verify reset exit
opaque summit
#

i just dug out a pi2b that openocd had a config for that worked - figuring out what speed/base parameters to use seemed like black magi ... but thats why we have wizards i guess;)

shut cedar
#

Pretty sure I did not come up with those, copied it from somewhere 😅

opaque summit
#

Fair, I couldnt find anything way back when and sort of forgot about it after I got my nRF chip flashed that one time using the pi2b.

wary pivot
#

Does anyone else have problems with ZHA and the multi-pan firmware? When I restart HA, it is starting ZHA for an eternity and then the UI becomes unavailable. Observer is saying it is supported and healty.

#

After a host reboot (triggered via serial console), it is starting again - including ZHA.

dusk vortex
wary pivot
#

I'm using a Yellow. Have just reflashed the EZSP (i hope the right one) and am restoring a backup.

dusk vortex
#

Did you migrate to multi-PAN through the hardware menu?

wary pivot
#

Yes, I did so.

#

And the Zigbee devices worked fine - until I tried to restart HA. The only thing I noticed, was the radio LED on the Yellow. With EZSP it was just flashing a bit, with multi-PAN it was constantly lit.

wary pivot
#

Is the NabuCasa_EZSP_v6.10.3.0_PA32_ncp-uart-hw_115200.gbl firmware the right one for the Yellow?

dusk vortex
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It is

wary pivot
#

Now all the Zigbee devices are unavailable. 🫤 Well... all except my motion sensors.

dusk vortex
#

Give it a few minutes to start up. If you're able to receive updates from sensors, the network is intact.

sour cobalt
#

anyone with issues with Aoetec Gen 5 sticks? mine works for a short period then stops on my yellow, works fine on the mini pc i was using (i just jumped back and its fine),

latent fern
#

do you have the Gen5 or the Gen5+?

#

the original Gen5 has issues with the Pi4, but I don't know how that translates to the Yellow

#

it does use the CM4, so...

sour cobalt
#

original

#

arg.. i have a newer stick, i guess im migrating

#

(have to figure out how to force drop the old controller for some of these devices.)

latent fern
#

you may have better luck putting it on a USB2 hub

#

usually the Pi4 doesn't even recognize the old stick without one

wary pivot
#

Did you use a USB cord or did you plug it directly in the Yellow?

sour cobalt
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tried both

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a hub and a cable

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was not reliable either way

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i had better luck with it showing up with a hub

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but it still vanished after a few minutes.

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i have a HUSBZB-1 USB Hub as a backup

latent fern
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try a powered hub?

sour cobalt
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switching to that.. i do need to go reassosiate everything.. cries in zwave

sour cobalt
wary pivot
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Was it a powered hub? I had some issues with the Z-Stick 5+ on my Blue. As soon as too much power was drawn, the Z-Stick went offline.

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Oh... too late 🤣

latent fern
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was it plugged in? 🙂

sour cobalt
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new wireless cable.. it was 😄 it worked for a few seconds then dropped...

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and woudl work for a few minutes then stop responding..

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its also REALLY old.. so maybe it finally died.

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(battery did puff a little while ago, and i had to replace it)

wary pivot
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I only have 3 Z-Wave devices - so the transition to the Z-Pi 7 wasn't too big of a deal for me.

sour cobalt
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i have a z-pi 7.. but did not notice till after i got it.. it was european freqs.. sooo useless

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😦

wary pivot
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With the newest firmware the frequency can be changed in Z-Wave JS UI

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It's firmware 7.18.1 if I recall correctly.

sour cobalt
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wait

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what

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@wary pivot are you serious?

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i can drop it in.. if i have to swap.. at least that migration would be worth it

wary pivot
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There was an update script, which also works on HA. Let me have a look.

sour cobalt
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Meep...

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just put it back in...

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its just a serial flash...

wary pivot
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The newest firmware has no regional variants anymore. Just one file for all,

sour cobalt
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which serial port is it for z-wave js under yellow?

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ttys0?

wary pivot
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/dev/ttyAMA0

sour cobalt
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ah, and turn off bluetooth? since same port?

wary pivot
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No. It works out of the box.

sour cobalt
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it just came up.. nice

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so i just need to update the firmware.

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you find those more recent instructions? (or the in HA way?)

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and thanks again, (i can do some digging from here on my own too)

wary pivot
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Just use Z-Wave JS UI - at least for the frequency setting

sour cobalt
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and for firmware update?

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zwave-aeotec-z-pi7-firmware-upgrade/472636 <- i think that is the post you mentioned

Home Assistant Community
Zwave Aeotec Z-PI7 Firmware upgrade

Hi I’ve just bought Z-PI7 HAT for Raspberry Pi 4. It states that I need to upgrade the firmware. I have some struggles with the firmware upgrade: I cannot disable the protection mode of the SSH, I need to do this to run the firmware upgrade, I’ve addressed that issue here: Home Assistant Community Add-on: SSH & Web Terminal - #546 by Haral...

wary pivot
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Not sure if the SSH & Terminal add-on in non-secure mode can do the same. At least you can install minicom as package in the add-on.

sour cobalt
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yeah i can fight with that and get it going.

wary pivot
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Yeah, that's the one.

sour cobalt
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thanks, have to run, but will fight with this later.

fresh bough
sour cobalt
# wary pivot Yeah, that's the one.

got it all working. 1) you can update from z-wavejs ui now. 2) i hate ge dimmers 3) its 2am but my house listens to me again. 4) Thanks a lot for the help and pointing me in the right direction.

tidal storm
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Hi. It's possible to run z2m on yellow AND thread (when available), at the same time?

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I just received my yellow and I'm in proccess to migrate from my pi to yellow.....but I'll start from scratch, pairing and creating everything (since I have some garbage in current installation).

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I have about 55 devices (zigbee) and I'm running z2m without any problem.

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I'm planing to keep z2m.....but I'm afraid I'll not be able to use thread/matter when devices start to coming

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I'm sure with ZHA will be possible to use both.......but how about z2m?

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or there are different address/ways to access radios?

shut cedar
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It won't get setup automatically but with manual steps it should be possible. You'll have to add the Silicon Labs Multiprotocol add-on manually and then point Z2M to the Silicon Labs Multiprotocol add-on.

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But it is all experimental still, so I'd wait with it. Especially since Z2M SiLabs support is also early still... 😅

tidal storm
shut cedar
chrome rune
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Any update on shipping PoE units? a friend who ordered his after me received his PoE unit last week. My shipping estimate was 1/27 and I have not seen any updates or shipping notifications.

daring cove
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I didn't get an update until the day after it arrived at my door so I think the likelihood is high that it is in-flight somewhere.

chrome rune
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that would be sweet. I have a bunch of new stuff that I've been holding off on adding until I'm moved over to the yellow, so it will be nice to finally have it in hand.

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any reason I should go with a z pi 7 over a razberry7? Or is my USB stick still the way to go? I would prefer the clean look of no dongles but if I lose some important functionality that's going to be a no go.

tidal storm
tidal storm
daring cove
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@chrome rune personally I would say the z pi 7 if only becuase it's incorporated inside the case and cleaner/less stuff hanging on the outside plus still leaving your usb ports free. I don't see any functionality loss with the internal from my research.

wary pivot
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@chrome rune With the Z-Pi 7 you should update to the newest firmware. The Z-Wave 700 controllers had a software bug in older firmware versions.

chrome rune
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The razberry7 should be similarly clean, correct?

chrome rune
daring cove
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the Raxberry should, but I haven't seen an actual verification so don't want to over-promise.

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Should be fine with a pro if you don't mind drilling an antenna mounting hole in the case.

wary pivot
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Drilling through a Yellow's case - such a sacrilege.

chrome rune
daring cove
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I completely agree. But it is an option. 🙂

wary pivot
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Is it possible to trigger a filesystem check of the NVMe or eMMC in HAOS?

fresh bough
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Does it have e2fsck in the image?

wary pivot
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It seems to be accessible via the serial console

keen parcel
daring cove
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Hmmmm, there has to be yellow environmental sensors somewhere we can put on a dashbaord. 😉

wary pivot
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Do you mean CPU usage, CPU temperature, memory usage, power supply status,... ?

leaden frost
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Hi, anyone from Nabu Casa here that can tell me what's happening with regards to my Yellow PoE order shipping?

stray atlas
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QQ: I have the yellow with a raspberry pi lite with no wifi or bluetooth but i see haos trying to start bluetooth on boot, How can we disable that previously i would have used boot.txt but cant see a boot part ion even when SSH using the addon

graceful zealot
leaden frost
graceful zealot
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…..

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I blame tiredness

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😂😂

graceful zealot
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But someone from Nabu casa can help

leaden frost
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Yeah, I don't mind waiting, but I need a status update at the very least.

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Silence is not ok.

graceful zealot
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I think it’s all because of crowd supply. Who are just as bad at communicating to you as to NC

ornate ferry
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I asked CS the same questin and they said you can see it on you prfile page. I dont know if they updated it after my inquiry or if I have been blind but there it now states that it will be delivered March

leaden frost
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Mine still says jan 27th though, that's exactly my issue haha

graceful zealot
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No tracking details sent to you I presume?

leaden frost
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Nope

hybrid trout
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Hi!

pearl widget
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Hello folks, I have recieved my yellow POE Kit, and yeah it doesn't want to install the HA... did as per instructions and it turn on the red light, than the green lights up, stays up for some time than blinks some and than only yellow stays on. (yellow light never lights up at any point)

Guess I need to do the USB recv thing and get into the serial console?

mystic iron
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Mine is also jan 27. I sent an email, but have not seen a reply for a week

stray atlas
native verge
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I have also expedition date Jan 27 and no answers from CS. I'm waiting for Yellow Kit (no POE). They charged my card already but nothing was sent. A project status would be great to have.

pearl widget
stray atlas
# pearl widget What did you do?

You need to flash the firmware to include the NVMe boot order its alittle harder on the CM4 as it needs to be done via serial port

pearl widget
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Ok

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Will try thanks for tips, need to get the serial working than

stray atlas
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that is if you have the same set up as me if your using onbroad emmc this might not be your problem

pearl widget
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well likely I won't make any sort of progress until I get the serial working

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and see what's up

leaden frost
ivory pagoda
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@leaden frost @mystic iron @native verge I feel your pain! Not sure whether we will get better answers 🙈 but I nudged CS on the topic!
Project update wouldn't help in this case, because the update would likely (depending on the batch you're in, but I assume if CS says Jan. 27th it's the batch that's in delivery right now) be "should already have been shipped to your front yard" - which is pretty exactly what you heard from CS.
We're working on an update, but we need to sync with CS beforehand...

fleet cloud
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Hooray, I got invoiced for tax by FedEx today. There is no limit to the incompetence of CS

graceful zealot
fleet cloud
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god

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there are too many parties involved and no clear demarcation lines between them

wary pivot
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But CS will reimburse the tax. Just contact their support, provide them the FedEx receipt and wait for a while.

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Unpleasant, but working.

opaque summit
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I guess that'll be an upshot to being in the next batch:)

fleet cloud
fleet cloud
wary pivot
opaque summit
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Normally with IOSS screwups seller would just refund VAT, nice to see CrowdSupply taking responsibility at least!

desert geyser
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My Yellow POE arrived last week. Unable to load via the usb stick, but downloading piboot, and connecting a USBC cable (Changed two jumpers) I was able to run the RPi Imager directly onto the CM4 and that worked. Powered down, reset the jumpers and HA Yellow booted fine.

shy saffron
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Are there any disadvantages to PoE? Is there any impact on performance?
(Aside from the Yellow kit costing more than non-PoE version.)

desert geyser
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The cost is the only 'disadvantage'. It is otherwise same as an ordinary Yellow, including being able to be run from a 12v power supply on a non-POE ethernet connection.

steady delta
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I cannot believe that a backup of my Pi and a restore to my yellow just worked. I have all kinds of crazy addons, hardware, custom webhooks, etc

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everything works

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I used the same zwave stick, so even my zwave network came across

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I was expecting to be up all night - this is great

native verge
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I got an email from CD >> "The shipping warehouse has been experiencing delays in shipments due to the severe ice storms in Texas this past week. We estimate pending shipments will continue starting early next week. " I hope next week I get my Yellow 🙂

fresh bough
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Ice storms in Texas, again? They already had some!

native verge
mystic iron
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Got the same email

hybrid scarab
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Is there any disadvantage to using a skyconnect on a home assistant yellow ?

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from what I understand it's the same chipset and I can put the sky connect on a hub so it isn't inside a cage and should have better reception.

fluid sedge
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It isn't inside a cage. A plastic case like that really has almost no impact

fresh bough
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Isn't the skyconnect and the onboard of the yellow the same chip too?

lament saddle
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Does the NVME ssd have to be preformatted with a certain format to allow the USB-BOOT to install to it?

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Booting off the USB seems to keep installing it on the eMMC

wary pivot
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If an eMMC is present the installer stick always installs to that one. You can transfer the data part to the NVMe later. You would need to wipe the eMMC and install the HAOS Yellow image (not the installer) to the NVMe, if you want it that way.

lament saddle
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Is there a guide to that?

wary pivot
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Don't think so.

lament saddle
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So by default what does the NVME SSD slot do?

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I would think you'd want to leverage the yellow and attempt to install on the NVME by default and failover to internal eMMC if not possible.

wary pivot
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By default the OS is installed to the eMMC. Later you can transfer the data partition (where most things are located) to the NVMe via the UI (Settings - System - Storage - 3-dot-menu - Move datadisk)

lament saddle
wary pivot
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No. You will loose no functionality - just add storage capacity.

lament saddle
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I can live with the OS running off the eMMC but using the NVME SSD for storage

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I mean having the whole thing on the SSD would probably be better i guess

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but i can migrate it later when there is a guide for it.

wary pivot
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What advantage to you expect?

lament saddle
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i would expect the NVME to outlast a eMMC in terms of read/write cycles, and potentially faster access/reads/writes but i don't expect that at this stage to have a big impact, i would assume the speed of the device is mostly limited by the CPU at this stage.

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Storage seems to show the 500gb drive now

wary pivot
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With the standard (and officially supported) method mostly read-only parts stay on the eMMC after moving the data disk. So read/write cycles shouldn't be a big deal.

lament saddle
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skimpy on the details 😄

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When you click on Storage

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It just shows Used Space 0.8% and a bar