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limpid sequoia
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Tried to get frigate + coral usb running too and ran into the same problem.
After boot it would run for about an hour before running into the wall, after that I would only get that error on start and would have to reboot again to get it running.
What is your inference speed? While on my normal server it runs at about 8.7, on yellow it would start out at about 40, slowly creep up to 50 and then die.

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Tried it without a powered hub and with 3 different powered ones (2x 2.0 hubs and 1x 3.0 hub) but still no success, only even higher inference speed

fresh bough
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how can you see interference speed ?

limpid sequoia
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in frigate -> Debug and there should be detector -> coral and its inference speed

fresh bough
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oh found it

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apparently I'm doing 8.64 with a PCIe coral currently

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๐Ÿ‘€

limpid sequoia
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That is ms per frame, so lower is better

fresh bough
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oh nice

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I currently only have one camera active, front camera is down after I cut the cable and removed my greenhouse camera for now

limpid sequoia
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I only have on cam running as well. Interesting that there is no difference between pcie and a usb 3.0 coral

fresh bough
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This is via a $10 Aliexpress Wifi M2 -> PCIe card

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on a 13 year old rack server

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I just got my dual TPU adapter, so I'm gonna use that when I move to my new production server

vale ember
fresh bough
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Yes, its a DL380 Gen9 with v3 CPUs, so it's only 7 years old

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that's fairly new

supple robin
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dual 2609 ?

fresh bough
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Think it was 2660s

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but need to check

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not interested in your sub 10c sub 2ghz nonsense ๐Ÿ˜„

supple robin
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$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
2000000
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take this!

fresh bough
rugged creek
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In case anyone gets the same error and searches this discord "Something went wrong loading onboarding, try refreshing" > switching to incognito on chrome on my computer fixed this issue. It's working on mobile chrome and edge. There must have been something restricting it on my specific profile.

rugged creek
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@shut cedar It was the SN750 SE - it doesn't show up on the available drives, the only one that shows up is sda.

shut cedar
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@rugged creek hm, sda is probably a USB flash drive plugged in as well? But yeah, someone reported that previously, and that confirms that the WD SN750 SE indeed isn't working with the CM4/Yellow.

rugged creek
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Oh you're right. Is there a list of compatible NVME drives or did I just luck out that this is one of the few that don't work?

wary pivot
shut cedar
rugged creek
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Well I really appreciate you being helpful. I would have just assumed I was being dumb.

thorn yacht
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omg... i can actually touch my yellow ๐Ÿ˜„

wary pivot
thorn yacht
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lol, at work they asked today to the younger guys, how do we measure if this stuff is still powered... So i suggested licking it... chef didn't agree

wary pivot
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It is a valid option

storm cargo
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Does yellow really exists? Ordered mine in august, standard no cpu no poe version. Shipping postponed to September, then 2 dates in October and now it says January 2023. Is this a joke?

vale ember
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Itโ€™s been a bumpy ride lol

thorn yacht
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and the issue is that production and shipping isn't done as quickly as hoped

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i do understand your concern, mine has been delayed a couple of times also. and FEDEX was also very frustrating

abstract wharf
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Oh man. I cancelled my PoE order because the vanilla one was available sooner. At this rate, the PoE will be shipping earlier before mine ships.

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Seems like I can better cancel my current order (again), and order the PoE version instead. What a mess.

graceful zealot
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So you end up waiting a lot longer

keen parcel
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๐Ÿ˜‚

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The best thing you could possibly do is just forget you ordered a yellow

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Treat it as a sunk cost

valid terrace
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Sorry if this has been asked a million times, but what are the pros/cons of getting a CM4 with MMC storage?

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I'll (obviously) be supplying an NVMe drive, but is it worth getting a CM4 with MMC storage over one without given this use case?

fresh bough
fresh bough
gilded mortar
abstract wharf
fresh bough
abstract wharf
shut cedar
abstract wharf
shut cedar
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What do you mean?

abstract wharf
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My order went from August to September, shifted a couple of times in October and is now set to 27th of January.

shut cedar
abstract wharf
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And that's the same shipping date as the regular and PoE version if you order now.

graceful zealot
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I would not be trusting their shipping dates listed. CS seems to be lying about that

abstract wharf
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Well. Too late for that.

shut cedar
graceful zealot
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Would those dates actually include people who have cancelled and re ordered and now lower in the list though

shut cedar
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Btw, I raised a support request with Western Digital, specifically for the WD_BLACK SN850X, and their answer:

Thank you for the feedback and information. We have gathered the details and sent it along to our engineering team to investigate. We have no ETA on a response at this time however, these devices are designed for work in Windows PCs specifically as they are part of our gaming brand and the only way to update FW on them is via Windows software Western Digital Dashboard.

๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

fresh bough
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Ah, the old _fsck you sir, have a good day _

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I know because I too send such emails

shut cedar
abstract wharf
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Well. That also means that if someone orders the EU kit right now, they won't get it at the end of January as specified on the CS page, because of production and shipping lead times.

shut cedar
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Yes. And I am raising that with Crowd Supply.

abstract wharf
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It's just about setting the right expectations here.

fresh bough
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Just be like me, i never expect anything, that way I am never disappointed and I'm usually pleasantly surprised, wife hates this one trick

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Great mindset when your customers and partners are always letting you down

shut cedar
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Yeah with that hole shortage I went with that "expectancy model" as well ๐Ÿ˜…

fresh bough
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I love waiting for 450 servers with expected delivery in march 2023, then suddenly getting a call on a Friday in September 2022 saying 200 are delivered

shut cedar
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That said, we of course don't want to let people down, and try to communicate what we know. It's just that we don't have direct control over the dates communicated on the Crowd Supply page, so its always a bit laggy.

fresh bough
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Pleasantly surprised

shut cedar
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Oh wow, that sounds like a lot of work though ๐Ÿ˜…

fresh bough
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Not that bad, usually when I do an installation it is somewhere between 200-800 servers

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HPC is funtimes

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Cabling stuff like that is mindfulness Mandala drawing for me

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Hopefully I'll be doing some raspberry pis on steroids soon

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Cray has a few interesting arm based systems

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21500 arm cores in Isambard II

shut cedar
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Qualcom/Nuvia have nothing on the horizon yet?

fresh bough
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Nothing that I've seen

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Still waiting for RISC-V to be popular

wary pivot
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And it needs to have Minesweeper, so we are also safe on the gaming part.

fresh bough
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Hearts or bust

storm prawn
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My order of the SN530 nvme drive through CrowdSupply that was a part of the Yellow POE kit has had the NVME drive cancelled. I didn't cancel it on my end so why did it get cancelled? No update at all from CrowdSupply with regards to it. Just an updated order confirmation with the same order number confirming the purchase of 1 x of all items in the POE kit.

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Why did they cancel my NVME drive without any update?

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Transactions
Date Amount Type Method
Sep 18, 2021 (UTC) $200.20 Payment Credit card
Sep 19, 2021 (UTC) $99.00 Payment Credit card
Oct 20, 2022 (UTC) ($97.90) Refund Credit card

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The refund on Oct 20, 2022 is when it appears they have cancelled the NVME drive

rugged lodge
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Does anyone have experience with Patriot SSDs (P300 128G)? I bought them for Yellow, currently I'm also thinking of buying the lite version of CM4, hence I can't rely on migrating to eMMC in case of a problem.

shut cedar
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Crowd Supply notified us that the SanDisk SN520 128 GB has been discontinued and needs to be canceled. However, I'd expect that they would send you a separate email about it (similar to the CM4s which got cancelled).

storm prawn
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No. They did not. The email they have sent is an order confirmation. Same order number. Same devices, all listed with qty of 1 beside them. I received this email from them 20th Oct, when they have processed the refund. If I could figure upload it I would send through the screen shot of the email.

wary pivot
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But to be honest - the cancellation of the NVMe is the best what could have happened to you. You get much better NVMes at that price if you buy them elsewhere. Almost 100 bucks for a 128GB NVMe...

shut cedar
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Just don't get a WD ๐Ÿ˜…

fresh bough
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I just bought a "unused" 512 NVMe for $50 ๐Ÿ˜„

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Now I just need to find one more to make it a mirror

royal wind
shut cedar
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Ok, so there are some which work, interesting

fresh bough
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Perfect, found another nvme unused for $50 now i have my mirror

blazing aurora
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Home Assistant Yellow, Power Cord: US
Placed on Sep 16, 2021 (UTC)
Estimated to ship on Jun 30, 2022
Currently estimated to ship on Aug 12, 2022
Currently estimated to ship on Sep 30, 2022
Currently estimated to ship on Oct 07, 2022
Cancel and refund only the 128 GB NVMe SSD, by Crowd Supply
Currently estimated to ship on Oct 21, 2022
Estimated to ship: Jan 27, 2023
Told I could not cancel because I was part of original Crowdfunding. This is borderline fraud. First orders in should have been first out.

graceful zealot
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Original crowdfunding doesn't mean you're the first order

blazing aurora
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Sending a letter to Mike Schmidt District Attorney in Multnomah County (Portland, Oregon)

graceful zealot
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Plus their SSD is very bad value, and you can't get it anymore so that's a positive

graceful zealot
blazing aurora
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Ordering in the first few days of the crowdfunding should have beat those ordered this year. I will contact the credit card, but may have a problem due to time since payment Sept. 2021. I will not be paying a lawyer, the district attorney job is to handle prosecutions for fraud and other potential crimes.

graceful zealot
# blazing aurora Ordering in the first few days of the crowdfunding should have beat those ordere...

However if your order isn't ready to ship (for example you purchasing an SSD that isn't produced anymore) then CS shouldn't be stopping everyone else's orders until that is resolved.

Also apologies for that, I don't know how the USA legal system works, just weird that you're going to an attorney rather than your bank when this just seems like you're unhappy with shipping being pushed back in a world where electronics shortages is commonplace

(Though yes communication should have been better)

shut cedar
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@blazing aurora I am very sorry that your order did not went out! I am checking with Crowd Supply why that happened, I was told its only CM4s which can hold up such an order. Can you DM me your order number? You of course can always cancel the whole order and will get your money back.

pliant whale
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Hello !
How to know if the yellow has 128 in the gpu_mem of /boot/config.txt

How to set it to 128+.

I have a cm4 4GB.

I need to set it for frigate hwaccel.

blazing aurora
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@shut cedar I will DM, I have a Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 gb ssd and a CM4 4gb ram, 32 gb mmc wifi sitting on my desk, I would still like to have a yellow.

shut coral
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Hi, have you got your yellow ones home yet? I'm still waiting unfortunately and the dates keep getting pushed back ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

wary pivot
wary pivot
vale ember
shut coral
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Estimated to ship:
Jan 27, 2023
Originally estimated to ship:
Sep 30, 2022

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Do you have it the same way?

vale ember
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no, mine started in may of 2022 and got pushed back like 4 times with only one notification iirc

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i reached out to crowdsupply and got this email back: ```For what it's worth, we've received over 2k units of the Home Assistant Yellow and to date have shipped over 400 units. They continue to ship to customers daily.

As for the lack of response, we've had some issues with our customer service platform, HappyFox, and Gmail, which we resolved last week. The issue of customers not receiving our responses has been resolved.

Above all, I'm sorry for your bad experience with Crowd Supply. The nature of getting things produced and delivered on time is a constant battle and we try to do our best with our creators to create a positive experience with customers. ```

shut coral
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I did: Placed on Sep 20, 2021 (UTC) ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

vale ember
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i bought the cm4 and yellow separate because the dates were a month or two months earlier for the two devices. eventually they cancelled my cm4 order so im just going to cancel the whole thing unfortunately

shut coral
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I'm a little disappointed. Didn't expect the delivery of the products to take so long. Plus the delivery dates keep getting pushed back ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

shut cedar
vale ember
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im not mad at nabu casa im just disappointed in the whole thing at this point

wary pivot
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CrowdSupply's processing speed will be a legend one day, we are telling our grandchildren. Let's hope they ramp up their pace until then.

shut coral
shut cedar
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@shut coral did you had a CM4 or NVMe in your order? It seems that the additional items hold up the shipment of the Yellow.

shut coral
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I had ordered 2x "Home Assistant Yellow Kit with Power-over- thernet". But they had problems with them. I didn't want to wait that long. So I asked crowdsupply to send me the Home Assistant Yellow
Yellow Kit with Power Supply Power Cord: E". But unfortunately no positive change, rather the opposite :(. But I have only ordered the yellow ones.

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This is not the place to post pictures in this thread?

vale ember
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there's nothing they can do to help you here but you can use imgur to upload images if you want

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you're at the mercy of crowdsupply and their shipping and whatever else delays

shut coral
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And the Home Assistant team is OK with the situation?

vale ember
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they've said before they've done everything they can on their side and it's all on crowdsupply supply chain and shipping as far as how quickly your yellow gets to you. they've posted updates about PoE models here and how that is progressing too

compact quartz
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@shut coral want me to go rough somebody up?

shut coral
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I'm a fan of Home Assitent, but this puts me off.

compact quartz
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What do you need to post pictures of?

shut coral
vale ember
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it's their first time doing something like this and only thing they really dropped the ball on is a bit of lack of communication

compact quartz
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It was a joke.

vale ember
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cogneato is joking and not a part of home assistant parent company just a mod being silly

compact quartz
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no, I work for Nabu Casa

vale ember
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orly

compact quartz
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also

shut coral
vale ember
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@compact quartz would be nice if you guys had a role denoting that

compact quartz
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that won't really help anything here. If you want to pass me your order number I might be able to find info but can't promise anything

shut coral
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Placed on Sep 20, 2021 (UTC)

vale ember
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@shut coral for what it's worth- i recently moved from a pi4 ssd booting to an old laptop and webui and addons and such are loading quite a bit faster- especially with stuff like camera feeds. so maybe you'd be better off using the yellow (when it eventually comes) at a friends place or something and upgrading to a more powerful system ๐Ÿ˜›

pliant whale
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The yellow is cool for a stable use.

But for people like me doing dev or having fun configuring and restarting a lot, a 2nd instance of HA on a powerful computer is a must have.

fresh bough
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Did someone say high availability

pearl frigate
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just installed my yellow with an ssd plugged in. Installed fine but did not recognize the ssd/data disk. What would I do? Is there any command line access via the homeassistant UI? (without the serial cable). Update: got to the shell in the meantime, but no idea how to get the ssd detected. I see a "mmc1: new high speed SDIO card at address 0001" message but thats about it ...

thorn yacht
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i'm happy with my HA yellow running right now ๐Ÿ™‚ Setup was easy and quick

wary pivot
pearl frigate
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TRANSCEND 430S M.2 512 GB Serial ATA III 3D NAND

wary pivot
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I assume it is a m.2 SATA SSD and not a NVMe - so it is not supported, if I'm correct.

pearl frigate
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tf

wary pivot
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NVMe is a PCIe device - SATA needs an additional controller.

pearl frigate
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it fits nicely into the m.2 slot though ๐Ÿ˜‰

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thanks for pointing it out

wary pivot
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The connector is the same. Just another technology.

junior gulch
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I'm in shock, I have a tracking number, 1 November (this year) ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

vale ember
gilded mortar
sage elm
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Any tip other than https://rpilocator.com to get a cm4?
I ordered a kit thinking I could get a cm4 and another carrier board early while waiting for the yellow... I was wrong.

vale ember
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No thatโ€™s the best option people have and itโ€™s not a good one lol

wary pivot
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In Europe BerryBase often has some in stock for a short period. But they locked them behind some club membership to prevent scalpers to buy them.

calm herald
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Got an availability message from Berry Base yesterday

wispy cloak
cosmic arch
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Well, if it's any comfort or hope to anyone, on Wednesday, my order updated to expect to ship Jan 27, but yesterday I got a tracking number and today it showed up. So they are still actually shipping units and not stuck waiting for another batch.

vale ember
fleet cloud
cosmic arch
fleet cloud
keen parcel
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They only just went into production this week

fleet cloud
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Well, given the overall lack of information from either NC or CS, itโ€™s hard to keep track of the excuses

graceful zealot
fleet cloud
graceful zealot
fleet cloud
graceful zealot
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Personally I feel you're being rude about it, but sure you think you

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Its not an excuse if NC are apologising for the inability to get info from CS

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Plus NC have tried to fix it by forcing all delivery dates to be pushed to jan, so that they may ship earlier and stop the constant slipping. They announced that

fleet cloud
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My biggest gripe is that there was distancing from NC from NS in the beginning. If you feel Iโ€™m being rude, I apologise. The lack of e-mails being sent out, there is information that is lost if discord isnโ€™t check everyday

wispy cloak
cosmic arch
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I made a backup on my VM install and restored it to my Yellow, but then my Yellow fails to start. In the supervisor logs, I get "Home Assistant has crashed", but that's the only error level log I get. Where do I start looking at other logs to figure out why it crashed? I'm guessing I need to disable some add-on before I make the backup

graceful zealot
cosmic arch
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In case anyone else has this issue, my VM HA OS install was too big for my 16GB CM4 so the backup was never getting fully installed. So I ran through the inital config on the yellow, moved storage to the NVMe SSD, then restored the backup and things are working now

hardy flare
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I'm thinking about placing an order for HA yellow. Could someone explain to me if there are benefits to using PoE rather than the power supply model?

fresh bough
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If you already have poe infrastructure, it makes a lot more sense than an external power supply

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that said, expect long delivery times

hardy flare
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It looks like either way I'll be waiting until late January but that's just fine. PoE would give me the option for either so I think I'll go that route - thank you!

fresh bough
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Expecting january for the poe would be optimistic from what we've seen so far

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bet on June and be glad if you get it before christmas ๐Ÿ˜„

vale ember
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Yea

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Once itโ€™s on crowd supplyโ€™s side all bets are off

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And that assumes no other roadblocks until then

rustic sand
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I just pulled the plug on my yellow without doing any shutdown as I needed to move the plug. When I plugged it back in the device didn't start itself up. I unplugged the DC connector at the back and plugged it back in, then it did start up. Seems odd it didn't do so when the plug was put back in (the DC connector wasn't pulled out or anything). What is the behaviour supposed to be here? If there is a power cut I want the Yellow to start up. Seemed very sluggish for HA to get started too.

sour token
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Yellow is a computer running a full Linux operating system. If you pull the plug without a shut down there is a chance of corruption, just like with a Mac or PC.

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(It might have been replaying database journals etc to get started back up)

rustic sand
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Yeah appreciate that should have shut it down first, just didn't think. Why didn't it boot up when the power was restored though? Other than when removing and reinserting the DC cable?

sour token
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That i don't know. Was the DC connector left in when you moved the plug? How long was it unplugged?

rustic sand
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Yeah the DC connector was left in when I moved the plug. Would have been unplugged for about 15 seconds.

sour token
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And was in the same sort of time when you re-plugged the DC connector?

rustic sand
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No a few mins later when I realised it hadn't started

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I pulled the connector out and put it back in straight away

shut cedar
wary pivot
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Speaking of LEDs - the schematics state a blue LED at the Zigbee module. Can that one be controlled like the other LEDs?

shut cedar
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No, that one is controlled by the Zigbee firmware

thorn yacht
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i don't like to say this, but my homeassistant became unresponsive to webrequests. aka, i try to connect to it, by ip and portnumber and there is no website loading. Neither is homeassistant.local:8123 loading

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orange and green led are flashing though

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D6 is flashing twice a seccond, rebooting seems to activate it, but it doesn't respond on the network

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i can ping it though

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tried to find a guide online how to reset it, or to reinstall, but can't seem to find a good documentation

thorn yacht
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well, that was probably a network error that was very persistent. After removing the permanent DHCP lease, rebooting the router and rebooting the yellow, i have access again. Will have to figure out how to give the HAyellow a permanent IP outside the DHCP pool

wary pivot
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You can set a static IP in Settings-System-Network-Configure network interfaces-IPv4-Static

thorn yacht
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yeah, trying that now ๐Ÿ™‚ normally i make a static lease, so i can keep track of the ip's on my network ๐Ÿ™‚

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and back to being able tp ping but not to connect.. oops

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let's try that usb cable

wintry stream
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My NvME SSD "WD_BLACK SN770 NVMe" does not show up in the storage for the yellow

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Is this ssd not supported?

thorn yacht
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i might have read before, WD has issues, but i don't know exact.
On a sidenote of that, have you tried the 3 dots top right?

wintry stream
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Yeah for the move to datadisk

thorn yacht
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if it is not moving, it might be WD currently being incompatible

wary pivot
thorn yacht
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Well, i think i screwed something up, so i want to do recovery. I get an error though, that the wipeservice cannot be started... which is annoying, cause now it keeps booting into the not working config. the reset trick didn't work and i cannot find too much good info on any other way of resetting or reflashing anything.
I think that part of the manual either is too well hidden, or needs to be a bit more out in the open ๐Ÿ˜‰

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the reason i know it isn't working is cause i can view over the uart (at least that is working, but it isn't accepting my username and password)

wary pivot
thorn yacht
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why couldn't i find that page... lol

wary pivot
thorn yacht
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blue and red worked ๐Ÿ˜„ it is reinstalling to emmc now. Will put back the SSD later and then use completely different IP adresses.
Thanks for showing me this. I will get it working again, i am glad this happened now instead of after making a complete config

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Also, i am glad i know putty and could find the speed for the Uart, so now i can see what the HA yellow does

thorn yacht
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2 Devices 1 IP was never a succes story, nor a meme

wary pivot
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Better than broken hardware

thorn yacht
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that is for sure, will be moving my switch to the next logical ip, as i want a bit of logic in my ip adresses. so switch should be 3, as wifi AP is 2, although i could swap those too

ornate wigeon
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What date did you guys order? For the people who are getting their units shipped now?

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I placed it on sep 22nd for the kit with power and no updates for me

wary pivot
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Sep. 24th 2021 - but the PoE-Kit

cosmic arch
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Yellow Kit w/ PS, Ordered- July 14, Shipped October 27, Delivered October 29

thorn oracle
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Home Assistant Yellow (not kit) - Sep 27 2021, shipped Oct 7 2022, Delivered Oct 17 2022

thorn oracle
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interesting. I had a Samsung 970 Plus 1TB sitting around from a previous PC build. I try putting it into the yellow, and it doesn't recognize it. I delete all the partitions through a usb nvme converter, and pop it back in and it sees it, but when i do "move storage", it goes offline and stays that way for several hours, never coming back. I'm wondering if the 1TB is not supported, despite being what is shown in the marketing images, or if I'm just doing something goofy

keen parcel
wary pivot
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Samsung ones are not known as incompatible yet, according to the support website.

keen parcel
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Oh Iโ€™m thinking WD

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My bad

thorn oracle
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Every mention of Samsung 970 and 980 show them as being compatible. But I donโ€™t see anyone using the 1tb that I have here

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I ordered a 980 512gb which Iโ€™ve also seen mention of working. We will see

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I see talk about older firmwares on some of the 970 making them not work but I donโ€™t have a computer set up to update the firmware easily. Samsungs updater wonโ€™t work in a usb nvme adapter, and replacing the nvme in my pc is more effort than I want to do right now

wary pivot
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Maybe a positive list of confirmed working NVMes would be a good idea. ๐Ÿค”

thorn oracle
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More documentation in general would be good too. I canโ€™t find anywhere what all the jumpers do, or even the buttons. I see that a factory reset uses both blue and red, and I assume blue is reboot

wary pivot
thorn oracle
compact quartz
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It's under documentation though

thorn oracle
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it doesn't say what the Cls3 and Cls4 jumpers are for. Am I missing that one?

compact quartz
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It's for Class3 or 4 for PoE version

thorn oracle
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gotcha

compact quartz
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hmm yeah the battery holder kinda covers those. I'll ask about that

thorn oracle
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then i retract my comment on the pin layouts

compact quartz
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There are ideas to replace JP1 with a button.

thorn oracle
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I would still like to see some additional lists of supported/unsupported nvme. i saw some basic ones, talking about WD for example. But I have yet to get the 970 Plus 1TB to work, despite it being the one shown in all the images. I've tried 2 of them now. Gonna try a 980 512GB next

compact quartz
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There's no known supported list. This should be what is supported by a RPi 4

wary pivot
thorn oracle
compact quartz
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There aren't that many to curate at this point

thorn oracle
thorn oracle
shut cedar
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In theory, according to standards, all should work.

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So that is why I opted to for a currated "broken" list

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everyhting else is supposed to work

thorn oracle
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sure. I'm troubleshooting mine, since my samsung 1tb doesn't work, despite All Samsung NVMe SSDs seem to work far.. I'm not whining, just trying to help provide additional info to help people in the future

shut cedar
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I am guessing you can find about ~50 different types working at this point

shut cedar
thorn oracle
shut cedar
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Sometimes things also fail on a higher level (software/partitioning errors). That doesn't count as "not working" from a HW perspective.

shut cedar
thorn oracle
shut cedar
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That is literally the model I did most tests with ๐Ÿ˜…

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PN MZVLB1T0HBLR?

thorn oracle
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Yea, that's what all the marketing material says

thorn oracle
shut cedar
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And both don't work?

thorn oracle
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both read fine in a USB enclosure to my PC. Neither show up on the yellow

shut cedar
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It could be a faulty Yellow or CM4.

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Or rather, it seems the likely cause here.

thorn oracle
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I'm trying this 980 512GB here shortly, since I saw lots of folks saying it would work too

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If the 512GB does not, then I'm going to guess it's the yellow or CM4

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I have another CM4 somewhere that I can test as well, but I'll have to install HA to it

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if it is the yellow, is there any recourse?

shut cedar
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Can you visually check the M.2 solder contacts (there should be no shorts between contacts, especially in the marked region?

unknown.png
shut cedar
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Did you order a Kit?

thorn oracle
thorn oracle
shut cedar
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What you also shoud check if the CM4 is properly seated. Maybe even remove the heatsink, and put some force on the two long edges (above the connectors) to make sure its properly seated.

shut cedar
thorn oracle
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it sometimes helps

shut cedar
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Did you test the Zigbee radio already?

thorn oracle
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Yup, zigbee is working great. zwave is working with my old usb dongle, but i have the aeotec clone coming today

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Everything works great, outside of just trying to move to an NVME drive

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all 3 NVMEs are working fine in Windows on a USB adapter. After this call, I'll try the 512GB and inspect the solder joints for the NVME on the yellow board

shut cedar
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On the CM4 side the PCIe signals terminate in this region

unknown.png
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However, a short is very hard to see there as they are usually under the connector. I think if reseating the CM4 does not help, we probably have to go through RMA.

thorn oracle
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hopefully i find something useful

shut cedar
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We had all kinds of problems with not properly seated CM4, so I give that a rather high chance to actually resolve the issue.

thorn oracle
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took off the heatsink, and re-seated the CM4. I inspected the NVME pins on the board and i don't see any shorts. It looks clean. Popped in the original 1TB Samsung 970 Plus to try

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hey, this is at least a good sign:

โžœ  ~ dmesg | grep -i nvme
[    1.194981] nvme nvme0: pci function 0000:01:00.0
[    1.195134] nvme 0000:01:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[    1.198362] nvme nvme0: missing or invalid SUBNQN field.
[    1.198480] nvme nvme0: Shutdown timeout set to 8 seconds
[    1.211499] nvme nvme0: 4/0/0 default/read/poll queues
[    1.218741]  nvme0n1:
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rebooting and moving data disk. Let's see if it was just the CM4

shut cedar
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Cool! Glad that resolved it ๐Ÿ˜…

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So we can conclude that Samsung is still without a failing NVMe?

thorn oracle
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I'd say it's wise to wait until the migration is complete, but so far it's indicative

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I'm very much hoping that was it ๐Ÿ˜‰

dreamy spruceBOT
thorn oracle
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i spent way too much time trying to update firmwares on NVME, when it appears to have been such a simpler problem

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thank you @shut cedar. I checked all the difficult things, but your help of checking the most overlooked thing first was great. I owe you one

shut cedar
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No problem, glad it works now!

thorn oracle
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Now to wait for the z-wave GPIO adapter to arrive, to inevitably break everything again

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the USB dongle just makes me sad for some reason.

shut cedar
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Yeah I know what you mean ๐Ÿ™‚

wary pivot
# thorn oracle Now to wait for the z-wave GPIO adapter to arrive, to inevitably break everythin...

If it is the Z-Pi 7 and you want to update it's firmware - there is just one file for all regional frequencies (used to be separate files). The Z-Pi's frequency might be wrong after firmware update and your devices won't work anymore. According to Aeotec's support the frequency can be set via software. In our case we need the Z-Wave JS UI add-on (not the regular Z-Wave JS) to set it in the UI. Afterwards either of the add-ons can be used.

thorn oracle
junior gulch
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ok, yellow came in mail, added my CM4 I have had sitting in a box for a while, and bottom line, no boot, red and green on all the time. I see link and activity on the plugged in ethernet. trying reset with red button never gives flashing yellow. Where next? is there a port to read out a diagnostic. yes I flashed and reflashed the usb. the CM4 is CM4002016. Help!

wary pivot
junior gulch
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thanks for the quick response! I like console ports!

daring kelp
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Is there an option to use a regular PI with the Yellow? I can't find a reasonably priced CM4 module anywhere in Canada

wary pivot
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No. The Yellow requires a CM4.

daring kelp
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boourns

wary pivot
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But you could use a regular Pi with the SkyConnect stick to get the same Zigbee/Thread radio.

fresh bough
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I'm guessing he already ordered a yellow

daring kelp
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I ordered a yellow and the cm4 module

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But had the module cancelled

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So now i have a useless yellow on the way

wary pivot
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The only available CM4s on rpilocator are only shipped within the EU, Switzerland and Norway.

fresh bough
wary pivot
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We should sell CM4 shopping voyages to Europe (CM4 not included).

daring kelp
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right, I'm in Canada, so I'm completely hosed at the moment

blazing aurora
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@shut cedar I sent you a DM as requested, any response back from CS?

daring kelp
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I'm not sure $160 USD is justified for a CM module

wary pivot
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And all for back order - not in stock.

fresh bough
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Yikes, 160

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Can buy quite a more useful system for that price

daring kelp
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I'm currently running docker containers for everything

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so, it's not like i'm not able to do things, I was just hoping i'd have the Yellow to take over that

fresh bough
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What are you running on today?

daring kelp
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2010 mac pro, running ubuntu

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I'm a devop by trade, so I put everything in docker containers

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I like the integration that HAOS gives, but I don't have the dedicated hardware to run it

fresh bough
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So you'll probably be roughly the same performance CPU wise in the yellow compared to that

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But with nvme you'll probably have better storage performance

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Actually it might be a slight upgrade on the CPU side

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I was thinking of the pi3b+

junior gulch
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Well, I cannot even do the reset, pressing and holding the red button never gives the yellow LED, so can I assume the CM4 I bought is bad?

shut cedar
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@junior gulch the CM4 you bought has no HAOS installed. Did you follow the installation guide?

junior gulch
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yes, read my earlier post from today at 10:26 am.... never boots

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irrespective of loading the os, shouldn't pressing the red button do a reset anyway?

shut cedar
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No, the OS needs to be loaded for that to work

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The red button is just a signal to the CM4, but software needs to be present on the CM4 to make something out of that signal ...

shut cedar
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Or better: Can you link your messages

junior gulch
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so help the newbie, don't see the terminology to "link" existing messages, is this the create thread command?

shut cedar
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Press the three dots on the right side, then "Copy Message Link"

junior gulch
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got it... #yellow-archived message yep, do everything to start of step 10 and no change in red and green leds... ethernet link and activity are ok.

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did the USB over, will try different usb stick, but this one has worked many times...

shut cedar
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So stays just red, never a green LED? And you did not install Software on that CM4 before right?

junior gulch
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sigh.... I linked linked the post as you asked, i guess you did not read it.. the linked post says: red and green on all the time.... this CM4 might have been used...

shut cedar
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I did read it.

ok, yellow came in mail, added my CM4 I have had sitting in a box for a while, and bottom line, no boot, red and green on all the time. I see link and activity on the plugged in ethernet. trying reset with red button never gives flashing yellow. Where next?

That nowhere says that you went through the getting started steps, especially, it does not say if you have the USB flash drive with the "Home Assistant OS Installer for Yellow" pre-installed in your Yellow.

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To help you, I need to know where you exactly stand ๐Ÿ˜…

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With red and green on all the time it does not seem that the CM4 boots another OS. It seems as if the firmware cannot boot from you flash drive.

junior gulch
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ok, so now you know, right? no confusion... followed directions, fail at step 10, red and green LEDs on solid since power on. Tried another usb memory stick in mean time.... any jumpers that could affect the boot/

shut cedar
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Yeah I think it's all clear, unfortunately I am not 100% sure why it is stuck there (could be the previously installed CM4 software starting to boot/getting stuck or that the USB flash drive somehow is not readable).

junior gulch
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using 2 different small (16 gb) usb memory sticks convinces me it's not them.... the imager writes and verifies... so that is out... I'm going to try the console output with putty.... see if I get anything, and then perhaps the reload using RPI boot.... in the mean time, ordered another RPI from a guy in Canada, on ebay, so that's another crap shoot

junior gulch
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great, trying to set up the console, and the uart on the yellow is a cp210x and stupid windows 11 did not have the driver... found it, but no response from the RPI..... pretty sure it is dead...

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actually, means there is no functioning o/s

junior gulch
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ok, tried the reinstall, and the RPI imager loads, etc, but never finds the board.... so cannot write to it. I assume SOL at this point...

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thanks for the help

graceful zealot
junior gulch
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4 times, inspected with 7x optivior, this is not my first rodeo, I lead a chipset and product design team, I ordered without CM4 as indicated, and bought a CM4 off evil bay

thorn oracle
graceful zealot
thorn oracle
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Yep, I had issues with my NVME because my CM4 needed re-seated.

junior gulch
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not rude, told you I did it 4 times, used deoxit for any possible oxidation, and used an optivisor (google it) to inspect the contacts... I was not rude in the least.

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Shatter: I looked RPI locator, only ones that showed up today were with a company that won't ship to USA... drat

graceful zealot
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You're being very abrasive right now. Its a genuine question. I don't need to google what one of those is, I'm just saying myself & probably others don't what it is

junior gulch
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not abrasive, you might need an optivisor some day, good tool to have with miniature connectors

graceful zealot
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No I think I'll be fine

junior gulch
#

Anyway, back on the track, I think I have exhausted all reasonable options, and will wait for the board from Canada.

analog wadi
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@thorn oracle Can you walk me through how you got the Z Wave working. I set up my Yellow and restored from a full back up of my Pi4. I have a Z Wave USB dongle that worked fine but I can't get Z Wave JS to start up. It simply says:
2022-11-03T05:00:27.150Z DRIVER version 10.3.0
2022-11-03T05:00:27.151Z DRIVER
2022-11-03T05:00:36.272Z DRIVER Failed to open the serial port: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot
lock port
Unable to start driver ZWaveError: Failed to open the serial port: Error Resource temporarily unavailable Cannot lock port (ZW0100)
at Driver.openSerialport (/usr/src/node_modules/zwave-js/src/lib/driver/Driver.ts:1070:9)
at Immediate.<anonymous> (/usr/src/node_modules/zwave-js/src/lib/driver/Driver.ts:947:5) {
code: 100,
context: undefined,
transactionSource: undefined
}
[05:00:36] WARNING: Halt add-on

wary pivot
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Sounds like a wrong device path for the USB dongle. What is set as device in the Z-Wave JS addon?

fresh lake
#

I received the Home Assistant Yellow and set it up according to the online
guide. It installed, boots up and I am able to log in. But the connection to
Home Assistant keeps dropping frequently (connection lost, reconnecting) and the yellow
led never stops doing the heartbeat pattern.
I already checked the connection of the CM4 to the board and did several
reinstalls but the yellow led is continuously doing a heartbeat pattern and the
connection keeps dropping. Anyone have a clue what could be causing the connection drops and if it is related to the yellow led doing the heartbeat pattern constantly?

wary pivot
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The heartbeat is meant to be pulsating - it's a sign Yellow is alive. Is it possible, that two devices are using the same IP address (e.g. old HA instance and HA Yellow running at the same time) in your network?

fresh lake
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The 2 instances have diferent ip addresses. I also tried shutting down old instance but still the same happens: yellow led keeps flassing twice every second and the connection drops frequently.

graceful zealot
fresh lake
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No, I access it using the ip address. I am able to login but every 30 seconds or so the connection drops and I have to wait for it to reconnect

fresh bough
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It's pingable continuously?

thorn oracle
half crescent
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Zigbee2MQTT

fresh lake
fresh bough
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So, network issues either in the physical layer or in the os

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Is it wired?

fresh lake
fresh bough
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Then i would guess on a os issue if no other wired devices have issues

dusty jetty
fresh lake
fresh bough
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No idea, I don't use yellow or haos, but if no other devices experience the issue it is very local

shut cedar
fresh bough
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No, it times out about one-third of the time. Pings to the old instance is continuosly

shut cedar
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(using IP)

shut cedar
fresh bough
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Could be IP conflict, but that was mentioned as checked i believe

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And if connected to the same physical switch as the other instance I would say networking is fine at the physical layer

shut cedar
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@fresh lake can you DM me your serial number? I can check the test logs

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We do run Ethernet tests at the factory, and in theory they should only go out if that succeeds.

fresh bough
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Physical port issues should manifest harder imo, hence why I would perhaps rather think software somewhere

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Even a bad cable should be a lot more errors than that

shut cedar
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Yeah agreed, it smells more software.

fresh bough
fresh lake
fresh lake
shut cedar
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Yeah the testing logs do look good, I think we need to look into SW a bit closer

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Can you setup a serial console (using USB-C cable)? This allows to monitor what is happening when Yellow disappears from the network. You can find a guide how to setup the serial console for Windows/Linux/MacOS here:
https://yellow.home-assistant.io/documentation/

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FWIW, the yellow LED blinking in a heartbeat pattern is expected, on HAOS.

fresh lake
fresh lake
shut cedar
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During installation yes. But once HAOS is on there and running, the heartbeat pattern indicates it's alive and running

fresh lake
fresh bough
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hacker voice: I'm in

shut cedar
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Cool, so you have a root prompt? Check dmesg next time ping doesn't work

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Also check journalctl -b 0 -u NetworkManager.service.

fresh lake
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Done both. Anything specific to look for?๐Ÿฅบ

shut cedar
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Link down/up events or device (eth0): state change: in that time where it wasn't reachable

fresh bough
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Since you probably don't have a managed Switch, we can't see error packages, can we do that with any of the built in software of haos?

fresh lake
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See this: device (eth0): state change: activated -> deactivating (reason 'new-activation', sys-iface-state: ' managed'

daring kelp
shut cedar
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@fresh lake did you use the frontend to set a static IP?

fresh lake
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No, it gets an ip address from DHCP server (reserved)

fresh lake
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With "ha network info" I can see it has the ip address, gateway and nameservers correct. wlan0 disabled and ipv6 disabled

shut cedar
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Can you try using a static? Just to isolate the problem.

fresh lake
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Issue persits with static ip address

shut cedar
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Can you check what nmcli con show is saying (when it pings and when it doesnt)?

fresh bough
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what is the upstream switch ?

fresh lake
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Supervisor eth0 d6659a40-d6c6-3431-963d-6c170080432c ethernet eth0

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Same output in both situations

fresh lake
shut cedar
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@fresh lake Hm, weird, I wonder what causes the state change on NM side. Can you share a bunch of logs from the above journalctl command when it happens? E.g. using https://hastebin.com/

compact quartz
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Was wlan enabled previously?

fresh lake
fresh lake
shut cedar
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@fresh lake can you check ha su logs, in particular around Nov 03 16:30:03

fresh lake
shut cedar
# 
22-11-03 17:33:02 WARNING (MainThread) [supervisor.updater] Can't fetch versions from https://version.home-assistant.io/stable.json: Timeout

Do you have a firewall or similar in place?

fresh bough
fresh lake
fresh lake
fresh bough
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Ah, so it is managed then

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I don't touch ubiquiti with a ten foot pole, but you should be able to gather interface statistics from it

fresh lake
fresh bough
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would be interesting to see any kind of discards \ error counters on the port

shut cedar
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It does feel to be Supervisor related, I think the audit: op="connection-update" just before the connection gets deactivated is caused by the Supervisor.

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The timestamp correlates with 22-11-03 17:30:03 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.host.network] Updating local network information

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@fresh lake can you check if you see Updating local network information in ha su logs every time ping starts to fail?

fresh lake
shut cedar
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Do you have a snapshot of NetworkManager log, where ping does not answer and there is no 'Updating local network information' in the su logs?

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It seems that there is a DNS issue too. @compact quartz setting Google usually helps there right?

compact quartz
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Setting a fast public DNS can help, Google's, Quad9, or Cloudflare, but @fresh lake has another installation of HAOS going, yes?

fresh lake
compact quartz
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Is it an HA OS installation?

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Or another install method

fresh lake
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HAOS

compact quartz
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Does it reliably connect and then disconnect in some amount of time?

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As in does it connect every time you restart it?

fresh lake
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You mean the current instance?

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The current instance is reliable and has perfect connection

compact quartz
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No sorry the new yellow instance

fresh lake
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While you can ping it, the connection is reliable and I can login and do stuff in HA. When the connection drops (not pingable) HA is not responsive and I have to wait until the connection comes back up. I let a ping run for a llong time and there is around 33% packet loss

shut cedar
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Did you try swapping the Ethernet port? Just in case ๐Ÿ˜…

warped barn
#

Hi, what size nvme is recommended for the Yellow?

compact quartz
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@warped barn 32GB is recommended for HA. But you can find much larger NVMe for less than $50

fresh lake
compact quartz
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Is there a switch between Yellow and the router?

warped barn
compact quartz
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I don't think 1TB is necessary, personally. I wouldn't use HA as an NVR or Media server however.

warped barn
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Okay, perfect. I will get something a little smaller so. Thanks for the info, very helpful.

fresh lake
fresh lake
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As a test I did the following. I have a yet unused rpi4. So I installed haos and connected to the same switch/port. Connectivity was stable en ha was very responsive. Tested for an hour and had no connection drops or other issues.

fresh bough
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So we can exclude the switchport and cable ?

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we are down to the issue being local to the yellow itself ?

graceful zealot
#

Sounds like it

rustic sand
#

Can someone please confirm what the current position is with support for Matter in both the Yellow, and HA? Are these available now, and if not what is the rough timeline for support being added? Thanks.

supple robin
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do you have matter devices yet?

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I'm confident you will see a dedicated channel available here when its time to "matter" hehe cheesy AF

rustic sand
supple robin
#

then take another look around here when you have it

rustic sand
#

We're in that position where suddenly you have to question future purchases. Should I just stick to Homekit for now, or hold off a few weeks and get a Matter device. Since Home Assistant is my central brains for controlling everything, it would be useful to have a rough idea when it will support Matter to help in purchase decisions.

supple robin
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there are devices out there which support both, they just get a software update later to support matter

fresh bough
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Matter won't kill all the other standards

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And jumping on the latest bandwagon is often costly and useless

sour token
#

And it might well not be yellow that is your stumbling block for matter. We are seeing home networks that need quite a bit of work to support matter. From hardware that breaks ipv6 and mdns to people simply having their border routers on different vlans to their ha instances.

rustic sand
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I just wanted to know what the roadmap is. I'm well aware of potential issues around early adoption etc ๐Ÿ™‚

graceful zealot
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The roadmap is unclear because matter is so damn new. It'll need a couple months before the standard is understood in its entirety

#

Matter in HA may be next release, or may be the release after. Its not clear

wary pivot
#

It's just a Matter of months. I'll find out myself. ๐Ÿคฃ

fresh bough
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It doesn't matter really

graceful zealot
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I can't wait for the matter channel and all the puns

frosty cypress
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We may need a special one for that.

#

#matter_puns and #matter_matters

wary pivot
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And #dark_matter for NSFW?

frosty cypress
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I made a joke about #devs_matter-archived claiming that alls_matter, but I've already did that twice, and it wasn't funny even the first time, so I won't do it again.

fresh bough
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But devs don't matter ๐Ÿค”

frosty cypress
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Nothing's the matter now that I've fixed the matter compressor.

fresh bough
#

I'll take a hike to Matterhorn

wary pivot
#

This matter gets out of hand.

fresh lake
wintry stream
#

Are we going to get an addon or integration for matter devices within home assistant when december comes around?

shut cedar
#

We are hard at work on Matter. Related to that, is also thread network capability. We are working on both, but Thread is currently second priority. I have tested the multi protocol add-on on Yellow just yesterday it does work, but it is quite some manual steps currently to get the Thread credentials from it and do Matter over that Thread network ๐Ÿ˜…

wintry stream
lunar lichen
keen parcel
#

My CM4 finally arrived ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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Over a year after ordering

dreamy plume
#

The lack of CM4s is a PITA. I've been supposedly 2nd in line for one for 18m now, still nothing ๐Ÿ˜

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By the time my PoE SKU appears it'll be well north of 2 years ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

fresh bough
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The cm6 will be out!

wary pivot
fresh bough
#

Yes, let the hate flow

junior gulch
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Found a guy in Canada, has a few, by the rpilocate, will see if I really get it or get ripped off... the first one I bought months ago is dead.

fresh bough
#

Imagine running a yellow with a cm4 and waiting 1.5 years for it, then the cm4 dies and you have to wait 1 year to find a other cm4

junior gulch
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I may be in that situation soon.... we will see... SUX

keen parcel
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This is my fear. My yellow will turn up and my CM4 will have been DOA the whole time and I wonโ€™t be able to get it replaced

fresh bough
#

laughs in x86

opaque monolith
#

Hi all, I was told to come and ask this here. I have a Yellow with a 8GB RAM Wifi Lite CM4, and a Samsung 950 Pro nvme ssd. Installation seems to go fine, and if I remove the ssd from the Yellow and look at it on a PC, I see partitions for hassos and such. But the thing doesn't actually boot. I get a green and red light, both of which are solid, and the indicator lights on the ethernet cable, but no other activity at all. Attempting to reinstall from the USB does not work. I have to manually remove the ssd, format it on my PC, and then I'm able to run the installer again (as verified by the lights). Any suggestions?

wary pivot
opaque monolith
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Indeed I have. After the installer completes and I reboot, nothing ever shows up in the console

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I've watched the installer in the serial console, and it appears to complete successfully too

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I just reran the installer, watching first boot now. Nothing at all. I'm at a loss.

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Given that this CM4 has no eMMC and I remove the USB drive before powering up again, I assume it isnโ€™t able to locate the installation and hence nothing happens, but as I noted the partitions do appear to be there

opaque monolith
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Well it's been sitting here nearly 20 minutes without a single line in the console. I'm assuming it's not booting. If anyone has any pointers or perhaps a nightly build or something to try, I'd appreciate it. After waiting more than a year for it and then having to source a CM4 at more than twice the original price, this whole ordeal has me quite fed up.

wary pivot
#

I know it's frustrating, but I'm sure one of the devs will answer soon.

#

Just to be sure... when have you created the installer USB stick? Later than October 6th? They added some new Raspberry Pi firmware with that installer release.

fresh bough
#

Have you disconnected JP2 after installation ?

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If JP2 is bridged it will try USB boot infintly afaik

wary pivot
#

Good point.

opaque monolith
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I didnโ€™t touch JP2 at all. Itโ€™s only attached to one pin, so shouldnโ€™t be jumped. I created the installer three days ago.

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Is there something I should be doing first? Should I set the jumper prior to the install?

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Iโ€™ll try anything at this point :)

opaque monolith
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I created it a few days ago but I think the build date for the โ€œHome Assistant Installer for Yellowโ€ option had an earlier date

wary pivot
#

The RPi Imager should get the latest. But you could download the latest release here and use that image for the stick (e.g. using Balena Etcher, if the RPi Imager won't let you select a file).
https://github.com/NabuCasa/yellow-buildroot

opaque monolith
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Hmm are images not allowed in this channel? I tried pasting a screenshot of the Pi Imager. It shows "Released: 20221005"

wary pivot
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That's the newest one.

dreamy spruceBOT
#

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

opaque monolith
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All right, then I'm using the latest image.

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Gonna try a different usb stick just in case. Who knows right?

opaque monolith
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No dice. grrr

opaque monolith
opaque monolith
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All right, out of an abundance of caution, I went and got a new nvme ssd. Worked first try.

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So mark down the Samsung 950 Pro as potentially incompatible

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Swapped in a 970 Evo Plus

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Thank you to everyone who tried helping earlier today.

shut cedar
opaque monolith
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It doesnโ€™t show anything at all

fresh bough
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Just for lulz, did you try reseating the NVMe ?

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And does it work in another system

opaque monolith
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It was a boot disk on my Hackintosh for a couple years. I must have removed and reinstalled it half a dozen times in the Yellow

fresh bough
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Then, it was probably a bad little drive! In the box you go!

junior gulch
#

just to close the loop, the guy in canada that shows up at the top of rpilocator did ship my RPI, and I got it today, and system came up fine... did not seem to come up with the DNS name the first time, second reboot after loading I used the console, checked the ip address, hooked to that with FireFox and it lives. So I've been holding onto a bad RPI for months.... think I'll get my money back on that one? Anyway onwards and upwards, need to figure the best Z-Wave dongle, will do more reading, and have bought a couple of Zigbee devices. Thanks to Falstaff and those who helped.

fresh bough
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There is the zwave internal hat @junior gulch

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Think that one is supposed to be good

wary pivot
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You may guess - the Z-Pi 7 seems to be hard to get in the USA. ๐Ÿ˜…

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Aeotec doesn't even list it on their US website.

fresh bough
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Can we get anything these days?

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โฒ๏ธ

wary pivot
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In Europe? Sure. ๐Ÿ˜…

fresh bough
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Eh, I'm still waiting for backlogs of hundreds of servers

wary pivot
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But you've been able to order them. ๐Ÿ˜†

opaque monolith
graceful zealot
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More or less than $150

opaque monolith
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I said I was ashamed.

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๐Ÿ˜…

fresh bough
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YIKES

opaque monolith
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You know, after waiting more than a full year for the Yellow, I was debating recycling it and just being done. Who knows when an affordable CM4 will show up, or to what lengths Iโ€™d have to do to get one. So, I, yeah I said Iโ€™m ashamedโ€ฆ

thorn yacht
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While waiting for the yellow, somebody told me where to order a CM4. Had it at home 4 months prior to my yellow even shipping.
Except for an IP conflict, installation went very smooth

junior gulch
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I read a bit on the z pi 7, not sure the results are definitive, some yellow officials says it worked, but it was some time ago... would like to hear from a current user

cloud raptor
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Works great on my Yellow

manic sinew
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I'm finding it frustrating that all the CM4 stock, which, at least, originated in the UK (Raspberry Pi Foundation rather than manufacturing), is going to a German company which wont, because of Brexit, sell to UK users!

wary pivot
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Have you tried to contact the Raspberry Pi Store in Cambridge? They don't ship, but they sometimes have some in stock.

manic sinew
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I'll check!

wary pivot
manic sinew
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I'm too far away to drop in on the off-chance that they had some stock. I guess I'll just have to wait!

fresh bough
manic sinew
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๐Ÿ˜‚

junior gulch
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@cloud raptor thanks for the response, can you point me to something to read about installing it, i.e. any other libraries/software needed? Don't want to drag the group down because I am a newbie.

cloud raptor
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There isnโ€™t documentation Iโ€™m aware of. Though itโ€™s not that complicated. You connect it to the headers, there is only one way to do it. After booting youโ€™re Yellow you can add the Z-Wave integration, and ask to install the Z-Wave JS add-on. After that you need to select the ttyAMA0 port and it should work.

pliant whale
#

Has anyone manage to make frigate + coral works ? I only see reddit posts and issues on the github about that problem.
It was written in the Crowd Supply update that the yellow will support the usb version of the coral so I'm a bit lost.

fresh bough
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Can you see the coral?

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I don't use a yellow, but I have both dual tpu and single tpu m2 versions working fine with frigate

wary pivot
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The m.2 Corals are not working in Yellow due to some weired CM4 hardware restriction (bug).

pliant whale
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yes frigate sees the coral

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it's the usb version

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I found other people having the LibUsbDataOutCallback error

fresh bough
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If you have a pi laying around, I'm curious if you can make it work with that and docker @pliant whale

supple robin
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i have my usb coral working in container on rpi

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never seen anything about LibUsbDataOutCallback

wary pivot
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Another user (other Discord) had problems with his USB Coral after updating Frigate to version 0.11. Don't know if 0.11.1 fixed it. ๐Ÿค”

pliant whale
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I tried in docker and it work @fresh bough .... And I retried just now with the Yellow but I changed the official cable with my phone cable. It works.

So maybe the yellow just hates the official cable. The official cable works only on my rpi4, not on the yellow. Now it's working but I need to buy another usb cable lmao.

supple robin
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that was my observation too, usb corals are picky about the cabling

fresh bough
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Huzzah, long live my m2 corals connected through $10 AliExpress adapters

pliant whale
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Yup, it works on the worst usb cable of my house, used af. Not on my shiny coral cable. ๐Ÿ˜ข

dire verge
#

I got my kit today, followed the instructions, and once I rebooted post install I am not seeing the yellow on my network and am not able to connect to the local url. Is there something I can try?

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Using a yellow kit with cm4 lite and Samsung evo nvme

gusty lily
#

Hi there,
After Upgrading my new Yellow to 2022.11.2 the following 3 repair warnings showed up and I wanted to know, what I can do about those. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Unsupported system - Systemd issues
Unsupported system - CGroup version
Unsupported system - Operating System
wary pivot
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If you have a terminal add-on installed, I'd try the following command to make sure the latest OS version is installed
ha os update

gusty lily
#

If you have a terminal add on installed

fair reef
rugged lodge
#

A question from a slightly different direction. Have you received a refund from a cancelled order for CM4? They said within 10 days, but I've been waiting 3 weeks. I've emailed them but so far no reply. I don't want to rush unnecessarily, I don't need the money right away. But I don't want to underestimate it.

fresh bough
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So CEO of pi trading says shortage expected to continue to end of 2023

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As I expected

blazing aurora
#

How can I cancel my Yellow Order, I am done being lied to. I purchased a yellow with CM4 and SSD on day 1 of the campaign. Crowd Supply cancelled the SSD and moved the delivery date from one of the first to Jan 27 2023. I can not help that they didn't have the SSD but others are available for purchase. I have a CM4 and SSD sitting on my desk, but no yellow. Very bad experience with Crowd Supply.

wary pivot
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If you placed your order during the crowdfunding phase, CrowdSupply's customer support won't cancel the order, according to the terms of use. Maybe the NC team can help to cancel the crowdfunding.

keen parcel
#

Or you could just treat it like a sunk cost, and then one day you get a nice surprise in the mail.

frozen osprey
#

I installed a Razberry 7 Pro into the Yellow and got it up and running. The logs seemed
ok, no errors. But when I attempt to include (or exclude as well), nothing happens at all. Oddly, attempting to add a device from within the Configure page, the logs show that the exclusion process began. Adding from Integrations/Add Integration/Add Z-Wave Device does correctly show as inclusion in the logs, but nothing actually gets added.

I've attempted using 3 totally different devices/device types and manufacturers and even successfully excluded them using Hubitat to make sure to be starting clean but it just spins as though nothing was trying to connect. Then it just times out with no errors. The log only shows that inclusion and exclusion were started and stopped (copied below).

I'm not sure where to go at this point. Without an error message to indicate the problem, it's a bit challenging to know how to fix it. Does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions please?

Log:
2022-11-12T21:42:00.422Z CNTRLR Starting inclusion process with strategy Default...โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.438Z SERIAL ยป 0x0105004ac10978 (7 bytes)โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.439Z DRIVER ยป [REQ] [AddNodeToNetwork]โ€จnode type: Anyโ€จhigh power: trueโ€จnetwork wide: trueโ€จcallback id: 9โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.441Z SERIAL ยซ [ACK] (0x06)โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.445Z SERIAL ยซ 0x0107004a09010000ba (9 bytes)โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.446Z SERIAL ยป [ACK] (0x06)โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.449Z DRIVER ยซ [REQ] [AddNodeToNetwork]โ€จstatus: Readyโ€จcallback id: 9โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:00.456Z CNTRLR The controller is now ready to add nodesโ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:20.572Z CNTRLR stopping inclusion process...โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:20.588Z SERIAL ยป 0x0105004ac50a7f (7 bytes)โ€จ2022-11-12T21:42:20.590Z DRIVER ยป [REQ] [AddNodeToNetwork]

wary pivot
#

Is the Razberry 7 Pro using the same regional frequency as your other devices?

wary pivot
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Does the HA Yellow hardware have any modifications for m.2/PCIe compared to the RPi IO board?
Background: I have installed the HAOS Yellow image to the eMMC of my CM4 using the IO board as temporary solution until the Yellow arrives. Working fine, onboarding is completed. But when I add a NVMe (with an m.2-PCIe adapter) to the PCIe slot on the IO board, HAOS won't boot anymore. The last message the HDMI output is showing, is Starting kernel ..., then it freezes. After removing the NVMe, HAOS can boot again.

ornate wigeon
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Im trying to buy CM4 for Yellow in USA (Hopefully that might come in Jan). Did anyone use RAKwireless?

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looks like they have CM4 8gb, but never heard about them

lunar glen
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Crowd supply was really good about changing an order, I switched from the PoE to just a normal power supply they responded within a couple of hours and I received the unit last month. As far as crowdfunded projects go they have been pretty good.

fresh bough
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you are probably the only one to say that out loud so far ๐Ÿ˜„

sharp coral
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Is there updates for the yellow poe? Is it still on track for Jan?

keen parcel
#

๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

fresh bough
fair reef
keen parcel
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New orders

compact quartz
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but all of them

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lol

keen parcel
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What

compact quartz
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all new orders. not a portion of them ๐Ÿ˜›

keen parcel
#

๐Ÿคฆโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Wise guy over here

fresh bough
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Unless new order volume exceeds expected Production, then it will of course ship later shrek_mmh

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If we are doing semantics

keen parcel
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Apparently we are

sharp coral
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At least new orders less of wait that if they do arrive in Jan ๐Ÿ˜… from an original backer

storm prawn
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Hmm, I requested a change of my shipping address and that got processed by CS overnight. Still showing the same shipping date so no delay.

weak sable
#

does anyone know where to get compute module 4's? I'm starving over here (USA)

vale basalt
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I wish there was a way to disable the eye-searing LED

wary pivot
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There is.

vale basalt
fresh bough
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I hear december 2023 looks good @weak sable

dreamy spruceBOT
vale basalt
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ah nice. I suppose it's either or?

wary pivot
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Yes. I'd recomment to use the switches and turn them off by an automation on HA start. This way you can still turn them on when needed for troubleshooting.

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And you don't need to mess with the OS. ๐Ÿ˜†

vale basalt
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yep get it. In fact maybe I just want to disable the disco at night ๐Ÿ˜„

vale basalt
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To make it more clear, you can make ON refer to the default behavior of the LED. OFF switches it off and ON makes it behave like before
command_off: 'echo none > /sys/class/leds/act/trigger' (and for the others too)

And back on via

  activity
    command_on: 'echo activity > /sys/class/leds/act/trigger'
  heartbeat
    command_on: 'echo heartbeat > /sys/class/leds/usr/trigger'
  power_led
    command_on: 'echo default-on > /sys/class/leds/pwr/trigger'
vale basalt
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  • I have an automation that switches on and off at sunrise and sunset
random summit
random summit
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On HA Yellow getting problem installing core_silabs_multiprotocol: error is:

    app_version, application_type = await _get_application_version(ctx)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/dist-packages/universal_silabs_flasher/flash.py", line 213, in _get_application_version
    raise RuntimeError("Failed to probe CPC")
RuntimeError: Failed to probe CPC
s6-rc: warning: unable to start service universal-silabs-flasher: command exited 1```

Is this addon too beta for Yellow?
wary pivot
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They haven't announced the Thread firmware update for the wireless module yet.

random summit
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Maybe I'm just a bit early

fresh bough
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I'd say 2 years for stable yes

wary pivot
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atxbyea is optimistic as usual ๐Ÿคฃ

fresh bough
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I'm a realist you see

dusk vortex
random summit
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Nope, it's fresh

dusk vortex
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Hmm. Can you try powering off the Yellow completely (not rebooting) and then try installing the addon again?

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Does ZHA show up as a discovered integration (before installing any addons)?

random summit
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I'll check after boot

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Have a bigger issue now, frontend won't load. At least I had ssh installed

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But yeah perhaps its related to ZHA await app.startup(auto_form=auto_form) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/zigpy/application.py", line 124, in startup await self.connect() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/bellows/zigbee/application.py", line 124, in connect self._ezsp = await bellows.ezsp.EZSP.initialize(self.config) File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/bellows/ezsp/__init__.py", line 106, in initialize await ezsp._startup_reset() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/bellows/ezsp/__init__.py", line 97, in _startup_reset await self.reset() File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/site-packages/bellows/ezsp/__init__.py", line 126, in reset await self._gw.reset() asyncio.exceptions.CancelledError

dusk vortex
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Did you try to configure ZHA?

random summit
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I don't believe so

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But, maybe

dusk vortex
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Hmm, that's unusual. What version of HA Core are you running?

random summit
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I will do a full reset I guess

dusk vortex
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It should only try to connect to the Yellow's Zigbee radio if you click the "Configure" button on the discovered ZHA integration and go through the setup

random summit
# 
arch: aarch64
audio_input: null
audio_output: null
boot: true
image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/yellow-homeassistant
ip_address: 172.30.32.1
machine: yellow
port: 8123
ssl: false
update_available: false
version: 2022.11.2
version_latest: 2022.11.2
watchdog: true```
dusk vortex
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Interesting. To me, it seems like you may have set up ZHA (or the addon did even though flashing failed)

random summit
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Yeah, and something totally messed now. ```โžœ ~ ha core stop
Processing... Done.

Error: Unknown error, see supervisor
โžœ ~ ha core start
Processing... Done.

Error: Unknown error, see supervisor
โžœ ~```

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I'll do a full reset and start over, but can't do it right now.

shut cedar
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What are the logs saying? ha supervisor logs

random summit
# 
22-11-16 13:14:12 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/config:
22-11-16 13:14:48 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/config:
22-11-16 13:15:24 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/config:
22-11-16 13:16:00 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.homeassistant.api] Error on call http://172.30.32.1:8123/api/config:
22-11-16 13:16:01 INFO (MainThread) [supervisor.api.middleware.security] /supervisor/logs access from a0d7b954_ssh```
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I tried to rebuild supervisor

shut cedar
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Hm, some tasks seem to be stuck... Maybe a ha supervisor restart fixes it?

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I wonder what kind of task that is... Are there more insights further up?

random summit
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On starting ha core looks like this is the error: services-up: info: copying legacy longrun home-assistant (no readiness notification) s6-rc: info: service legacy-services successfully started 2022-11-16 13:17:52.175 WARNING (Recorder) [homeassistant.components.recorder.util] The system could not validate that the sqlite3 database at //config/home-assistant_v2.db was shutdown cleanly 2022-11-16 13:18:02.862 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.setup] Setup of bluetooth is taking over 10 seconds. 2022-11-16 13:18:14.510 ERROR (bellows.thread_0) [bellows.uart] Lost serial connection: SerialException('device reports readiness to read but returned no data (device disconnected or multiple access on port?)') 2022-11-16 13:18:14.523 WARNING (Recorder) [homeassistant.components.recorder.core] Recorder startup was externally canceled before it could complete: 2022-11-16 13:18:14.544 ERROR (Recorder) [root] Uncaught thread exception Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/threading.py", line 1016, in _bootstrap_inner self.run() File "/usr/src/homeassistant/homeassistant/components/recorder/core.py", line 632, in run

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I can reset everything pretty easily, didn't do much with this

random summit
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Starting fresh, I'll let you know without enabling anything else @dusk vortex! Thanks.

dusk vortex
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Thanks!

random summit
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Hope everything ok, its been longer than 20 minutes waiting for setup

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Lights are still blinking, guess thats a good sign

random summit
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Heh saved my config, I guess on the nvme. Doesn't start, issue is 2022-11-16 14:55:52.249 ERROR (Thread-3) [pychromecast.discovery] Unhandled exception in worker thread

wintry stream
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@random summit I was running into big issues when I tried tackling with the firmware on the yellow. It took multiple resets for me to finally figure out how to do it safe because I am not well versed in this kind of stuff.

dreamy spruceBOT
feral hare
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Does anyone know if the razberry 7 fits the yellow?

compact quartz
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It does

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I'm using it in mine.

daring kelp
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Are there any alternative boards for the yellow I could use in the absence of the unobtainium CM4 modules?

sharp lantern
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i have a CM4, but the expected delivery time of my yellow was August, now pushed back to the end of January ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

wary pivot
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I've put my CM4 in a CM4 IO board. But I wasn't able to get the NVMe running with the PCIe slot as data disk. Keeps crashing on boot.

compact quartz
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@daring kelp there are clones but they aren't 1:1 swaps

daring kelp
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fsck, 2017 mac mini it is!

feral hare
compact quartz
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@feral hare I upgraded from an out of date husbz-1 and it's much better, yes

feral hare
compact quartz
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Nope. It's in the basement too

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I only have 12 devices though

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The first device is probably less than 3 m away though and it's mains powered, so I assume the mesh networking helps

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I do have new issues with some zigbee Xiaomi motion sensors but those are pretty old too and one was dropping out before I switched to yellow. Now 2 more are. I've got some linkind on the way to see if there is improvement

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I should probably strategically add more mains powered zigbee devices to my setup. Most of that is battery powered sensors

feral hare
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Thanks for letting me know.

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I like the idea of an all in one box with no dongles hanging off

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Just a single ethernet Poe connection

sharp coral
twilit wigeon
fresh bough
wintry stream
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Make sure ssh is in unprotected mode also

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Also on the pip install make sure to wait and let it install the things. It should say some warning message and successfully install of it

random summit
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@dusk vortex Just an update - was able to get a clean install (had to remove nvme and clear it manually) - started with the Silabs module and the universal_silabs_flasher worked properly. So yes, must have set up ZHA first.

random summit
twilit wigeon
wintry stream
twilit wigeon
wintry stream
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Also remove any nvme if have eemc rasp pi

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My install got corrupted somehow when I did it

twilit wigeon
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Yes, I have already removed the NVME since the first wipe

wintry stream
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How did you wipe it? I followed option 2 and plugged it into pc and wiped with rasp pi boot or something like that and then reinstalled it

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Gotta move those pins on the inside of device temporarily

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DM me a video of it if you can and maybe I can try to help

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Make sure you install Home Assistant yellow software not the generic rasp pi software on the boot loader

twilit wigeon
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I tried option 1 (red + blue button) and option 2 (rpiboot), always the same error when flashing

wintry stream
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Red and blue button didnโ€™t do anything for me

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Let me finish my lecture slides and then we can video chat if want

twilit wigeon
twilit wigeon
wintry stream
random summit
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@twilit wigeon I had to hold down the red+blue button for about 60 seconds before system was wiped.

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The instructions say 5 seconds but I didn't see that.

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Sorry I mean @wintry stream

keen parcel
#

Woof, my 8GB ram cm4 was cheaper than that

fresh bough
#

look here, mr fancy pants having a CM4

latent fern
#

part of one's retirement portfolio

keen parcel
#

Someone on the local Facebook marketplace is selling a Pi Zero W 2 for $100aud

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Thatโ€™s like 400% markup

#

If ever there was a time to offload my 8x Pi Zero Wโ€™s, now would be it

fresh bough
#

yikes

#

I just smoke mine like cigars for fun

keen parcel
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Mmm lead and zinc

fresh bough
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Ja

keen parcel
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Explains a few things tbh

wary pivot
#

My retirement fund is complete. CM4, Z-Pi 7 and Google Coral USB accelerator.
If my NVMe would work, the CM4 could temporaryly take over until the Yellow arrives.

fresh bough
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You should see my dual tpu in a bifurication specially designed PCB

wary pivot
#

I'd be happy enough to get the m.2 to PCIe adapter with the NVMe working with the IO board. It is detected with a m.2 to USB Adapter, but the OS crashes in boot when using the PCIe slot. Not even an error message. ๐Ÿคฃ

fresh bough
#

I just dropped my wattage from 220w to 85w, I'm happy with that

mighty chasm
#

How likely is it that I my yellow poe will ship 27 january as it says on the page? Im moving house and really need this for the new house and also for it to be delivered to the right adresse ๐Ÿ˜„

wary pivot
#

I wouldn't bet any money on it.

smoky pivot
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Not at all. I gave up and cancelled my orders.

twilit wigeon
#

Hi, can someone please help me to fix the firmware of the Yellow Zigbee?

storm prawn
wary pivot
wintry stream
wary pivot
mighty chasm
wary pivot
#

Not negative. CrowdSupply just have no good track record with their shipment estimations yet.

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The best estimated shipping date is: "it will be shipped shortly before you receive it - somewhen"

mighty chasm
#

Alright, thanks

vivid grove
#

is it possible to use zigbee2mqtt on the yellow using the onboard radio?

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the addon doiesnt appear to start atm but maybe im doing something wrong

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I know I can use ZHA but the aqara fp1 isnt that well supported

wary pivot
#

Zigbee2MQTT needs some more parameters.

serial:
  port: /dev/ttyAMA1
  baudrate: 115200
  rtscts: false
  adapter: ezsp
vivid grove
#

thank you I just found that info

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but thank you for the reply

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much appreciated

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hmm that still didnt work for me fails to start

wary pivot
#

MQTT broker is running and configured correctly?

vivid grove
#

yeah

wary pivot
#

What error messages are the logs showing?

vivid grove
#

had it running using a sonoff usb stick but wanted to use the on board radio didnt really want everything but the fp1 on zha

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Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-11-20 17:22:03: Error: Failure send version:{"type":"Buffer","data":[0,0,1,0,0,8]}
at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/ezsp/driver/ezsp.ts:512:23
at Queue.executeNext (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/utils/queue.ts:32:32)

wary pivot
#

Is ZHA still running?

vivid grove
#

damn yeah that could be it

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knew I was missing something but couldnt see it for looking lol

wary pivot
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The Zigbee module cannot serve ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT at the same time.

vivid grove
#

yeah i know hence me using the sonnoff but I i forget to get rid of it thank you

pearl frigate
#

in case someone is interested, I successfully got my aoetec z-pi 7 z-wave module to work on the yellow, I was even able to update the firmware directly out of hassos

keen parcel
#

So the CS page shows the yellow ships with a 12V 2A power supply, but then has a separate 12V 3A supply listed for purchase.

#

No issue with buying a 3A unit from a 3rd party?

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I bought the POE kit, but Iโ€™m unlikely to run it off POE when it arrives

fresh bough
#

That
... Seems very low for a default psu

#

Also, Poe > *

#

Just get an injector until you replace the switch if that is the issue

graceful zealot
fresh bough
#

oh 12v

#

my bad

wary pivot
#

Has anybody been so crazy and tested the 2TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus in the Yellow yet? ๐Ÿ˜

fleet cloud
wary pivot
fleet cloud
#

and the yellow poe

wintry stream
random summit
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Can't really think of a reason why it wouldn't work.

wary pivot
#

It has a bigger capacity than the usual NVMe which have already been tested. And in theory the WD ones should work as well. I'm tempted to get one (especially for the price I'm offered), but I also don't want to spend the money if it won't work. ๐Ÿ˜…

fleet cloud
daring kelp
#

is a "RPi CM4 - 2GB RAM, 16GB MMC, No Wifi" sufficent for a yellow?

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Cause I finally managed to get my hands on one!

compact quartz
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@daring kelp that's what it comes with by default

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more storage would be good, but you can also add that using an nvme drive

daring kelp
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I have an NVME disk sitting here waiting for it ๐Ÿ™‚

compact quartz
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then that will be fine

daring kelp
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Excellent, Thanks

wintry stream
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Has anyone found a way to run the HASSIO on NVME only. I feel like there has to be a tutorial somewhere online for this kind of thing. I have not had time to search hard for it.

compact quartz
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@wintry stream cm4 lite?

wintry stream
fresh bough
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Like vscode

keen parcel
fresh bough
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I have a dedicated ups for my Poe switch upstairs, lasts around 30 minutes with a 1400va ups

keen parcel
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i think mine is 700va

fresh bough
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Need to check actually, might be 1100

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Because my downstairs one is 2200

keen parcel
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i get 8-10 minutes out of it

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I can extend that out to 40 minutes if I drop the switch

fresh bough
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Yikes

keen parcel
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well, 35

fresh bough
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That's a power hungry switch

keen parcel
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yeah

fresh bough
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Or a lot of Poe devices active

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I only have 6 Poe devices on mine

keen parcel
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9 cameras, a couple of Pi's and a couple of AP's

fresh bough
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2530-24 aruba

keen parcel
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I shifted one AP onto a PoE injector so I can maintain a minimal wifi network

fresh bough
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How often does power drop? I have 1s blips 5-6 times a year and outages more than 2 minutes maybe once every 5 years

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I've had two outrage more than 1h the last 15 years

keen parcel
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we're semi-rural, so it's not unheard of

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we were offline for a day or two in February this year during the floods

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and we've had some hours-long outages on high-wind days when branches take out lines

graceful zealot
keen parcel
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yeah, but neighbours

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๐Ÿคฎ

fresh bough
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Yuck neighbours

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Just move to Norway, we have them, we just never see them or talk to them

graceful zealot
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That's what we do here too

keen parcel
graceful zealot
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I'm in an apartment block and rarely see neighbours and if I do it's just a smile to each other

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Maybe pet the dog if they have one

fresh bough
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Onlyyyyyyyy in keeeeeeenyaaaaa

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Yuck apartments

graceful zealot
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Only downside is no garden but can live with that

fresh bough
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If you own it at least is an investment, albeit a bad one

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Renting in the other hand

graceful zealot
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Yeah but you can say that for any place for renting

fresh bough
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Yes, renting is never a great idea for anything

dusty jetty
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Hi! On the web-page it states in the details for the Yellow:

Expansion slot
For NVMe SSDs (M-Key)
..
PCIe x1

Is this accurate? The bundled SSDs are x4. Any insight would be helpful ๐Ÿ™‚

nova osprey
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The CM4 only has a single PCIe lane.

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Mechanically it's a standard M.2 x4 slot, electrically it's x1.

shut cedar
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M.2 x4 NVMe SSDs need to be able to fall back to x1 (if they follow standards...)

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(which most of them do)

dusty jetty
shut cedar
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x1, x4, x8, x16 are the number of lanes. And for PCIe slots, it also defines the mechanical length.

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The M.2 (M-Key) always provides x4 lanes.

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Per spec, a PCIe device needs to start talking on x1 lane, with Gen 1 PCIe speed, and the negotiate/detect speed as well as lane count.

dusty jetty
limpid sequoia
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Just to chip in here for you, as you said "SSD" and you want to be sure to get the right thing:
It is important that you buy not an SSD, but a NVMe or PCIe SSD.
The old M.2 format SSDs which use the SATA protocol will not work

dusty jetty
limpid sequoia
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While it seems to be a nice top of the line 4th gen pcie nvme, it might not be very cost effective.
I have no idea if that price is good or bad in relation tot he local market.
The CM4 only has a 2nd gen pcie, so it is a good price to performance approach to check out older 3rd gen pcie nvme models, as they should have the same performance on the cm4.
Only thing that comes to mind that might differ is iops (as newer models have higher iops), although I don't know how depended that is on bandwidh too and how relevant to HA performance.

fresh bough
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I wouldn't say the yellow would benefit from high performance stuff for 99.9999% of users

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I did get 2 nvme (un)used in Norway for the same price recently, 512GB each, and they will probably cover all my needs as OS drives for years to come

graceful zealot
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HA can run on a Pi with an sd card and have perfectly fine performance for the average person (ignoring reliability parts). A fast nvme drive is overkill

dusky hollow
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would buy a cheap Sata SSD and a cheap usb adapter

fresh bough
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No

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There is already an nvme slot there

keen parcel
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Whereโ€™s my elephant

wary pivot
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On its way from the port to the CrowdSupply warehouse.

fresh bough
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So it's gonna be 5 more months you say

latent fern
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they should reconsider shipping via elephant

fresh bough
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Quiet, or else Hannibal might hear you

wary pivot
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Just one more crossing of the Alps.

fleet cloud
warped barn
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Hey, first install of home assistant (yellow). I'm very new. I cannot see any of my devices on the integrations page. I have a Tradfri plug and hue motion sensor. Can't see any of them. My ZHA has a blue configure button, but when I click into it, it says 'Upload a Manual Backup'?? When I try to add integration, like hue, it asks for a bridge, which I don't have, how can I do this without a bridge? Thanks for help.

wary pivot
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ZHA (or Z2M) needs to be configured and after that you can add Zigbee devices in it.

warped barn
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How can I configure ZHA if everytime I click configure I only get the option of a backup? Can I revert back to having more than just this option?

wary pivot
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Is there already an old ZHA instance from an old backup?

warped barn
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No, that's the thing. I just clicked on it by accident, and now I'm stuck at this point. I have never setup HASS before.

wary pivot
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Is ZHA shown as newly discovered or is there also one ZHA as active integration or disabled/ignored?

warped barn
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It says 'Discovered' over it, no sign of any other one.

wary pivot
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Have you tried to reboot?

warped barn
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Nope, I will try now.

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I reset and now under ZHA when I select 'Configure' it says 'Do you want to setup Yellow'?

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The two options I get when I select 'Submit' are 'Upload a manual backup' and 'Erase network settings and form a new network'?

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I guess I try the latter?

wary pivot
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Yes

warped barn
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Great, thanks a million for the help.

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That worked

weak sable
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yellow PoE still in production?

fresh bough
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Has it started production?

wary pivot
fresh bough
sharp coral
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@shut cedar any updates on Poe?

mystic rapids
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Could anyone suggest what setup best to get.

  • 2gb ram sounds short for future with multiple extra integrations (unifi, adguard, zwave, Nginx, let's encrypt, wireguard, etc...)
  • not sure about eMMC, (long life?)
  • ideally POE option.
  • housing for entire unit
    So where to look for housing & cm4 units when you don't get the base unit
fair reef
compact quartz
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@sharp coral POE should be shipping January

sharp coral
keen parcel
shut cedar
keen parcel
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Christmas 2023 is saved!

fresh bough
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thats optimistic!

wary pivot
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Santa Mouser might be delayed due to... insert reason here

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But I'm looking forward to tinkering with the Yellow PoE. I hope the NVMe will work better than with the RPi IO Board.

storm prawn
wary pivot
trail cairn
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Hi, I have a Home Assistant Yellow with a CM4. When I try to start the install of the Zigbee Home Automation to connect to the Yellow's Silicon Labs's MGM210P, I get "Failed to Connect" and this from the logs:
No response to 'Command.read_parameter' command with seq id '0x02'

Also, Home Assistant sees the SIlicon Labs Zigbee MGM210P at /dev/ttyAMA0 not /dev/ttyAMA1 such as the Yellow's documentation states.

Other github responses say "update the device firmware." I cannot seem to find how to update the Silicon Labs MGM210P. I am familiar with *nix CLI.

Does anyone have any pointers?

dusk vortex
wary pivot
keen parcel
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These yellows seem to be causing a few problems hey

digital token
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like most places on the net where people gather to talk about products, people having problems with the product are greatly overrepresented in the messages. people having no issues with HA yellow are presumably off complaining about other things elsewhere on the net.

latent fern
digital token
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for example, I got my HA yellow a couple months earlier than I expected. I opened up the box to reseat the CM4 (having already seen that troubleshooting step here), installed an NVMe (I knew what to get after seeing people having issues with specific models), booted it up, restored backup (redid the ZHA setup because the new setup completely lost track of which devices were what) and got everything running in the space of perhaps three hours. It's been running problem-free for the last week (my definition of problem-free is perhaps quite a bit looser than others, I guess). I'm grateful to people who have brought up their problems here, because it lets me be warned of problems in advance.

trail cairn
dusk vortex
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Do you already have it set up then?

trail cairn
dusk vortex
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Unless you have another Zigbee stick configured, you should be seeing a discovery card in the Integrations list: https://i.imgur.com/KajyTYr.png. For manual configuration, the serial port is /dev/ttyAMA1.

trail cairn
dusk vortex
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That also relies on being able to connect to /dev/ttyAMA1 so if the serial port isn't being listed, something strange is happening. You're using the Home Assistant Yellow, right?

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What version of Home Assistant OS, Supervisor, and Core are you running? You can find that in Settings > About.

keen parcel
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If Iโ€™m not wanting to invite the hassle of changing my zigbee coordinator when I migrate to the yellow, can I just plug my current coordinator into a USB extension from one of the USB ports?

dusk vortex
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Yes, that's the easiest way to do it. From there, migrating is just clicking a button.

keen parcel
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I have not read the documentation at all ๐Ÿซ 

wintry stream
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Anyone get the silicons multi protocol add on to work? Every time I install it my Zha goes haywire and wont stay connected to my devices

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Also said cannot find file zigbeed.conf

dusk vortex
wintry stream
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Yes it does

dusk vortex
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Which device specifically? Battery-powered sensors near the coordinator?

wintry stream
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All of them

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I will get them running and then I restart home assistant and actually what happens is it crashes

dusk vortex
wintry stream
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When zha tryโ€™s to run my home assistant loses connection and freezes unless I unplug and replug

wary pivot
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Is ZHA still configured to run on /dev/ttyAMA1 when running the Multiprotokoll add-on or is it configured to use the websocket as per documentation?

dusk vortex
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It connects to the multi-protocol addon over TCP (and the addon itself talks to /dev/ttyAMA1)

wintry stream
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I reverted back to emberznet for now. If I have time next week I will experiment and show you guys the issue.

steel dust
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Hi, i just deploy my new home assistant yellow, but after powered on the LED Green seem blinking 7-8 times and now LED Red and Green always static. How to fix this issue?

wary pivot
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7 short flashes: Kernel image not found, 8 short flashes: SDRAM failure

steel dust
wary pivot
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You can try to completely reinstall the OS. If the SDRAM really is damaged, the CM4 needs to be replaced.

steel dust
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ok, seem like SDRAM is damaged, not able to detect the storage

shut cedar
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We also had a case in production of Yellow where a CM4 came with the blinking pattern of SDRAM failure. I don't think that anything can be done if that is the case.

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You most likely have to RMA the CM4.

steel dust
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yes, glad i bought 2 CM4

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i able to get yellow up now with secondary CM4

shut cedar
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Hm, so it was 7 flashes then "Kernel image not found"

steel dust
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8 flashes

shut cedar
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I remember I used my phone's camera slow motion function to actually reliably count.

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Ah right, you got the other CM4 running.

steel dust
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oh, lol, i count it fast using my naked eyes ๐Ÿ˜„

wary pivot
fresh bough
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EIN ZWEI DREI ! that is not a pi!

wary pivot
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But drei is almost pi.
Just off by .14159265...

fresh bough
daring kelp
fresh bough
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that's an optimistic estimate from what I've seen users saying

keen parcel
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I waited a year

dreamy plume
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18m being 2nd in the queue with one supplier ๐Ÿ˜

fresh bough
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laughs in xeon

daring kelp
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I ordered 2 from germany and was told they would be shipped by sea... I live on the west coast of Canada...

fresh bough
dreamy plume
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Because I live on an island of fools (uk, brexit) most of the EU sellers wont ship here ๐Ÿ˜ญ

fresh bough
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Maybe now is the time to sell all my rpis at scalper prices

dreamy plume
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You monster ๐Ÿ˜›

vapid tulip
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I've got a spare 2GB lite CM4 in Australia that I've been meaning to advertise if that helps anyone here

dreamy plume
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Has anybody successfully used CM4 alternative with their HA yellow, like the Radxa rock CM3?
Same form factor and board to board connectivity

https://wiki.radxa.com/Rock3/CM3

keen parcel
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๐Ÿ˜Ž

vapid tulip
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Haha, true. I would not look to profit though. Just cover my non inflated purchase price + postage.

keen parcel
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I bought a pi4 I happened across in a retail store with the intent of reselling for a profit, but I used it to spin up a mastodon server instead

compact quartz
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@dreamy plume they are not a 1:1 swap unfortunately

dreamy plume
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Thanks - good to know