hardware-archived

[humble lion]

i would post in the forums, maybe the the hole size because not every GU10 fixture have the same.
Way more people will see your post and you might find somone who already did the diging

[past canyon]

as an alternative

do you happen to know if a device exists that works like a friends of hue dimmer but fits inside a switch box so I can wire it to the original switch?

[humble lion]

i never managed to get an analog dimmer switch to work with a micro module, so i didn't look for one.
I run HA so what i did was to use a zwave dimmer from fibaro (i hate zwave, so read until the end) with nothing connected to it and sync the brightness of it to the briightness of my HUE light through Home assistant.
With a shelly dimmer you can do that, but i have read some good work on tasmota for shelly dimmer, which might make thing easyer.

But i never had to thing about something without home assistant

[graceful star]

Hi ppl, how do i install a sonoff mini here? Only + cable

I only have a power cable split in 2 in my manual switch

[humble lion]

look at this @past canyon

https://en.robbshop.nl/inbouwdimmer-hue-zigbee-400w-robb-smarrt-3296

i have to go, good luck

[past canyon]

i never managed to get an analog dimmer switch to work with a micro module, so i didn't look for one.
I run HA so what i did was to use a zwave dimmer from fibaro (i hate zwave, so read until the end) with nothing connected to it and sync the brightness of it to the briightness of my HUE light through Home assistant.
With a shelly dimmer you can do that, but i have read some good work on tasmota for shelly dimmer, which might make thing easyer.

But i never had to thing about something without home assistant
@humble lion yeah unfortunately the client (and it's the same for me tbh) wants redundancy, so that if HA is down for whatever reason he can still turn on/off the lights

https://en.robbshop.nl/inbouwdimmer-hue-zigbee-400w-robb-smarrt-3296
@humble lion thank you!

[tender aurora]

@fringe moon do you recommend using mqtt or pushing directly to ha?

ref. what @humble lion just wrote?

[fringe moon]

Whatever suits you fine

[unborn skiff]

Hmm, wierd. I had do move the server and cot some issues with the Conbee 2 stick. Now it's up and running. However, when i listen for deconz_event i get the event number but an outomation, which uses the samme id and such, does not work?

[winged knoll]

Did you post about that earlier, over in #automations-archived, where it's on topic 🤔

[tender aurora]

@fringe moon what are the pros and cons?

i thought mqtt was the way to go

[humble lion]

The pro (for me) is that mqtt will allow you to get the data on other device without going through HA, and if HA is down you can have it remember the last value and send it when ha is back up.

The con is that mqtt is another thing in the middle, and you will have to create a mqtt sensor in your config.

really you do what you want, if everything go throug MQTT, it's rational to send this also

[tender aurora]

i have no mqtt so far 🙂

[humble lion]

then really don't bother to pop a broker, it's not worth it

[tender aurora]

@humble lion can i create several long-lived access tokens?

and should this run as my user?

(ie. admin user)

[gloomy spoke]

you can create as many as you want

[fringe moon]

I have a little over a hundred mqtt devices, I'm going to expose my instance via SSL soon

So I can make cool internet based stuff

[winged knoll]

I've had HA exposed to the Internet since shortly after I started

Unless you somehow disable all the authentication or do other daft things it's fine

[fringe moon]

Aye ,ha has been since I started

Mosquitto on the other hand 🤏

[thin otter]

Can anyone recommend sensors that work with Home Assistant? I'm curious if there are some that would still work if the internet goes out.

currently only have a Hue hub, but am thinking about getting a z-wave usb stick as well to cover both protocols

[winged knoll]

Anything #zigbee-archived or #zwave-archived will do that

Ditch the hub 😉

[thin otter]

No hue hub? I'm not sure how I can currently connect to anything z-wave. forgive my ignorance 🙂

[winged knoll]

Well, the Hue is Zigbee

So you'd replace it with one of the three #zigbee-archived integrations

[thin otter]

Ah yes, I should clarify - I figure I need the hue hub to connect to other zigbee items. And then a Z-wave compatible USB stick to cover z-wave. I've got hue bulbs now.

by zigbee integrations, do you mean like SmartThings

[winged knoll]

Noooooo

🤮

[thin otter]

lmao

[winged knoll]

No cloud

Bad cloud

[thin otter]

I just cannot wrap my head around this

[winged knoll]

Naughty cloud 😛

[bright jacinth]

There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are support. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended, but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively, with no native UI. It uses MQTT for control and configuration, but there are third party UIs. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the Zig-Ah-Zig-Ah! and Slaesh's sticks being recommended. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

☝️

I replaced my Hue Hub with Zigbee2MQTT, so much better

[thin otter]

oh the actual protocols, lord I don't know. I just have HA installed on my Synology

interesting, maybe I'll add that to docker. Should I do the same for z-wave

I'd love to get rid of the hub

[winged knoll]

IMO yes, though Z-Wave is expensive

I've got both, and I'll be buying only Zigbee going forwards - other maybe than multi-sensors, but buying multiple Zigbee sensors is still cheaper than one Z-Wave multi-sensor

https://sensative.com/sensors/strips-zwave/guard/ is the only other good reason to go Z-Wave

[thin otter]

I was leaning towards zigbee, but I've read that if the internet goes down then your system is SOL

but maybe that is just for cloud based apps

[gloomy spoke]

Naughty cloud 😛

[winged knoll]

That's just for cloud based stuff

[thin otter]

but I guess my question is, how can I run z-wave items without a USB dongle or something else to communicate with that protocol?

[winged knoll]

My Zigbee mesh ran fine when I lost my Internet service for a few days

You need a USB "dongle"

It's a radio

[gloomy spoke]

I don't know how one survives losing their Internet service for a few days

[winged knoll]

Badly

[thin otter]

I've also read about the Sonoff RF sensors, would you still recommend zigbee over those

[winged knoll]

Yes

RF 🤢

They're usually uni-directional, so if they stop reporting you don't really know

[runic drift]

I don't know how one survives losing their Internet service for a few days
@gloomy spoke you go out and say Hello to the sun then maybe mow the yard or go to a park

[winged knoll]

What?

What kind of nutter are you @runic drift

Sun == cancer ball - everybody knows that

[runic drift]

vitamin d deficiency is no joke

[gloomy spoke]

but...stuff is happening and I must know about it

[winged knoll]

Scurvy...

That's what fruit is for

Limes, particularly 😛

[runic drift]

ok casper lol

but...stuff is happening and I must know about it
@gloomy spoke they still make what is called a "newspaper" lol

[gloomy spoke]

that's only what happened "yesterday"

[thin otter]

To install qigbee2mqtt, would I need a Ti stick, or is running it from docker sufficient?

[winged knoll]

You'd need a supported TI stick

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_adapters.html#electrolama-zig-a-zig-ah-zzh etc

See #zigbee-archived

[thin otter]

Thanks

[glossy prism]

@thin otter FWIW I've had a great experience with my hue hub. Not sure what @winged knoll had trouble with

[winged knoll]

I'm cursed

That's why I'm still here

[glossy prism]

However, I do still have a Zigbee stick

[thin otter]

phew, I was this close to buying a CC26X2R1

[winged knoll]

do it !

If nothing else, you'll be entirely safe from the cloud

[glossy prism]

I have one for other sensors, buttons, etc

Thankfully hue works locally (i.e., without internet)

[winged knoll]

Just don't firmware upgrade it 😛

[thin otter]

interesting, maybe I'll try Hue after I get some buttons and motion sensors

oh man my hue bridge has been updated I think

[glossy prism]

No you're fine

[winged knoll]

Nah, you should be fine

[glossy prism]

If you root it don't upgrade the firmware lmao

[winged knoll]

But my second one spent 24 hours "upgrading" the firmware and was a brick afterwards

[thin otter]

3.42.0

not sure if that's it

what buttons do you use?

[glossy prism]

Samsung smartthings buttons connected to my Zigbee stick

That entire line of sensors, buttons, etc. is actually quite nice and work great with the zigbee integrations

[daring vigil]

How do I troubleshoot a zigbee door sensor? It’s showing up in HA but always showing closed. This is the first thing I’ve had not “just work”, not sure where to start.

[hidden frost]

Smart light switches that work with HA but aren't tuya or require internet that work without hacking firmware

Does such a thing exist?

[runic drift]

@hidden frost you "convert" dumb switches to smart switches with something like a Shelly or Sonoff that will check all those boxes

[glossy prism]

@hidden frost tp-link switches

[hidden frost]

Nice

Thanks @glossy prism

[hot schooner]

anybody had any luck getting a broadlink rm3 mini added to home assistant? i just got one and it is on my wifi and I can ping it but home assistant cannot find it.

[glossy prism]

Yeah I've got one. Did you connect it to the cloud in the app? @hot schooner

[hot schooner]

i only used the app to get it on wifi. I have tried 3 different apps to just get it on wifi and they all do but i still cannot get home assistant to talk to it.

i read on the internet and i don't know if this is true but their might be 2 different firmwares for this device. I might have the chinese firmware and the one i need is the internation firmware. I don't know if that is real or even how to check what firmware i have on it.

[flint fossil]

Hi all, I was hoping could help, I cannot get USB0 up inside Home Assistant? Using a Pi4 Home assistant latest version ( that's where USB port lost), latest HA version, any ideas

All ok found it, on the floor, must of fell out lol

[drifting grove]

Hi All, i'm looking into locally controlling my shutters using the shelly 2.5 module flashed with tasmota. Has anyone got this to work? When i try to set up the configuration in tasmota my power readings all remain 0 no matter which load i attach to it. Is it possible to share your configuration/experiences?

[graceful star]

Hi, does anyone uses the old phone like Xperia z1 as a display buttons, mov sensor and camera? in a wall replacing old switchs?

the xperia z1 is very easy to disasemble, put the screen in one place and back camera in front without break the cables 😛

[civic kraken]

I've seen people repurpose phones and tablets like that, but most often without disassembly. Just some sort of a frame works to make it look nice. There was a good example in the latest #announcements

[graceful star]

ahah to locks very nice, I think if I can desasemble and do a good frame, it can feel apropriate 😛

[glossy prism]

512GB microSD card for 95 USD (best buy deal of the day): https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sandisk-ultra-512gb-microsdxc-uhs-i-memory-card/6356777.p?skuId=6356777

Yeah yeah, I know @winged knoll 😂

The one time I forget

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/hopeless-disappointed-ryan-reynolds-facepalm-embarrassed-gif-5436796

[glossy prism]

banned

[winged knoll]

AFAIK Broadlink are the "go to" solution @dense wing - what's the reason you want something else?

[civic kraken]

DIY is one option

[zealous dune]

there's always an alternative https://templates.blakadder.com/misc.html

[civic kraken]

maybe this one would work better then https://templates.blakadder.com/szmdlx_ZYY.html 😄

But blakadder's list seems good

[peak talon]

you could use a ESP-01S with an Adapter and stick a IR transmitter. Full blown DIY https://www.amazon.com/IZOKEE-Wireless-Transceiver-Mega2560-Raspberry/dp/B07D49MSTM/ref=pd_sbs_147_5/144-1727624-5500019?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07D49MSTM&pd_rd_r=2b23a645-71ef-4762-82ef-b18bbf559284&pd_rd_w=9c3H5&pd_rd_wg=SxRF0&pf_rd_p=703f3758-d945-4136-8df6-a43d19d750d1&pf_rd_r=DM7W1CHMAZTG5099WFX6&psc=1&refRID=DM7W1CHMAZTG5099WFX6

[thin otter]

so in doing more research, it looks like Lutron Caseta is RF and not zigbee 😭

I don't want more hubs

[peak talon]

use RF than 🙂

[fossil brook]

Hi need help with lundix spc gateway on home assistant , thanks

[bright jacinth]

@fossil brook Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
4. What's the exact error message?
5. When did it arise?
6. What exactly don't you "get"?
7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

Command '.ask' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[lilac cedar]

Are there any ways to control FireTV other than through the Android TV/ADB integration which I have found to have a delay between sending the command on home assistant and my FireTV reacting

[lilac cedar]

Ok I don't really care about that anymore

But I am trying to figure out if there is any way that anything can be triggered using the power and volume buttons on my Firestick 4K remote so that I can use that for the power state of the TV

[thin otter]

your TV may need to be a smartTV

someone stop me from making a poor decision

i'm about to buy one of innovelli's LED switches, a z-wave usb stick, a zigbeeqt TI, and a caseta switch to test them out

I'm super interested in trying innovellis LED status indicator

[glossy prism]

You need the lutron bridge for Caseta stuff btw

[drowsy smelt]

I'm constantly seeing this in the log - If I search for the device_tracker under 'STATES' it isn't there. I checked on the DHCP client list and determined it is an Unifi AP which is connected via wireless uplink. Where can I set its configuration to make the warning go silent. ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.device_tracker] The see service is not supported for this entity device_tracker.<mac address>

[devout girder]

Does anyone know how to change the default state of an Aqara LLKZMK11LM switch? When powering it on, it turns off the lights, but i would want it to turn them on. I tried connecting live to S1 or S2, but it does not change the behavior..
link to wiring diagram: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1fybPRFYqK1RjSZLeq6zXppXaM.jpg

While it might be possible to write an automation to do this from homeassistant, i want it to be as fast as possible, and for it to work even if homeassistant is down.

[cosmic girder]

seems like a sane default.. why would want to change that?

how often do you cut power to that thing thats this even matters in any way

unless you mean something else with powered on

[devout girder]

well my ikea bulbs do behave like that. Having off by default makes my normal switches (in the wall) useless

having on by default means that i don't need a phone or a zigbee remote to turn the lights on/off, i can just use the switch in the wall. just turn off, then on, and the lights are on.

[cosmic girder]

why cant you using that?

isnt it just a remote controlled relay that can also be operated by a physical switch?

[devout girder]

i can't put the relay behind the switch, it sits next to the bulb

so in the ceiling i have wire -> relay -> bulb

this means turning the wall switch off cuts power to the relay.. and i don't want to add another with just for this (or make a hole in the wall to fit the relay)

isnt it just a remote controlled relay that can also be operated by a physical switch?
@cosmic girder regarding this, i tried connecting live to S1 on the relay.. i thought that would make it think that the switch is on, and turn on... am i misunderstanding how it should work?

[cosmic girder]

doesnt it have a manual?

or is it chinese?

[devout girder]

Chinese. Just the wiring diagram in the link above, from the aliexpress page

[fast bane]

Any conveyor belt controllers with modbus or the like recommended for Home Assistant?

[foggy pecan]

i haven't seen anything. sounds like something more the #diy-archived speed

[runic drift]

would think a conveyor belt controller would just be a glorified dimmer switch

[indigo verge]

Hi, I'm new to HA. I have added my Panasonic TV and it shows in the cards, but when I press the power button on the card then it switches the TV off and turns the card grey. I can't interact with it anymore, and it says it's switched to unavailable. If I turn the TV back on with the remote it stays unavailable. Why?

[winged knoll]

That sounds like a topic for #integrations-archived

[somber shoal]

probably a stupid question: i've got a temperature sensor which updates fairly frequently. I enabled a stats sensor on top of it, but.. well.. it stays in "unknown" no matter how many updates the temp sensor has had.

sensor:
  - platform: statistics
    name: livingroom_temperature_stats_2h
    entity_id: sensor.livingroom_temperature
    max_age:
      minutes: 120

count: 0
mean: unknown
median: unknown
standard_deviation: unknown
variance: unknown
total: unknown
min_value: unknown
max_value: unknown
min_age: 2020-09-22T12:12:47.813387+00:00
max_age: 2020-09-22T12:12:47.813387+00:00
change: unknown
average_change: unknown
change_rate: unknown
friendly_name: livingroom_temperature_stats_2h
icon: mdi:calculator```

[winged knoll]

min and max ages are the same 🤔

min_age: 2020-09-22T12:13:39.428210+00:00
max_age: 2020-09-22T12:20:14.765387+00:00
``` is one of mine (I probably should fix that, 7 minutes is a bit short)

[somber shoal]

yeah, i don't get it why it's not updating

i've used this before

unless the statistics reload doesn't work.. might try restarting HA

can confirm. Restarted HA, all the statistics nodes started working

[cursive junco]

Does HA support the tilt (3 axis) feature of SmartThings multipurpose sensor without the SmartThings integration? I have the HUSBZB-1 installed and recognized/configured with HA

[winged knoll]

Sounds like you want to ask in #zigbee-archived @cursive junco - I'm guessing you're using zha, so it'll be good to confirm that over there if you are

[cursive junco]

@winged knoll tks...again lol

[past canyon]

anyone running this device?

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/412015.html

Legrand DIN power consumption module

I installed it and added it to HA but it reports power consumption at 0W

[winged knoll]

#zigbee-archived would be a good place to ask

[past canyon]

you're right, my bad

[onyx dune]

Anyone have any experience with Infinitude/ Carrier Infinity Thermostats? I have one and have been reading through the documentation, but have not had too much luck/am unsure if I need additional hardware. Thanks

[gloomy spoke]

Do a search here in Discord. Somebody got it working over the weekend

[onyx dune]

OH REALLY!

[gloomy spoke]

RLY

[onyx dune]

Thanks @gloomy spoke - found it!

[gloomy spoke]

Np. It wasn’t trivial, but certainly possible

[thin dock]

Hey! Can I have a bash script which enables my smart plug? I want it to turn on when I play music (I can define hooks there)

Does it make a difference in latency ... to use maybe available options? Would be nice if it was very fast

[winged knoll]

What does your script do?

(really an #integrations-archived question, but ... eh)

[thin dock]

I have no script yet - it the question whether it‘s possible

[winged knoll]

Yes, I use them 😉

[thin dock]

Oh... sorry

[winged knoll]

They will be a touch slower than native, because the shell has to start

[thin dock]

Hmm maybe MQTT then?

[winged knoll]

There are integrations you can use that handle webhooks/URLs though

[thin dock]

Hmm I can only start a script afaik

My plug is called switch.on_off_plug_in_unit_5 ... so I suppose I have to call it through the Hass app? Using Core here

I think I am missing the correct keywords I haven‘t found any examples

[winged knoll]

If it's a switch you just use switch.turn_on

[thin dock]

Yeah but how do I get Linux to talk to HA?

[winged knoll]

Webhook trigger in an automation

[thin dock]

So there is not a direct API for the Shell?

[bright jacinth]

The XY problem is asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem. This leads to enormous amounts of wasted time and energy, both on the part of people asking for help, and on the part of those providing help.
The problem occurs when people get stuck on what they believe is the solution and are unable to step back and explain the issue in full.

Command '~xy' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

There's no shell API because it's not designed for that

But what you've said so far doesn't explain why you want that

[thin dock]

Okay. My automation should do this: I start playing music onto my Raspberry Pi with SharePoint-Sync (Airplay) - the application can start scripts before playing the music - the bash script should enable my smart plug so the speaker gets powered on.

So the way to do it: Install the integration Webhooks and then write into that script a curl command to switch the automation inside HA, correct?

[winged knoll]

Well, use a webhook trigger in #automations-archived and have the script curl that

[thin dock]

Aight thanks!

[winged knoll]

There is also https://github.com/home-assistant-ecosystem/home-assistant-cli, but my experience is that it'd be a lot slower

[thin dock]

Oh okay... thanks

[eager pendant]

Hey guys. I have just installed and have been having fun learning. I edited my config file to add my Yamaha Receiver and its working. I am trying to figure out how to add a volume slider and have read through several forum articles and am not grasping it. Anyone feel like helping out?

[winged knoll]

Anything in the UI is on topic in #frontend-archived 😉

Should just be the case of adding an appropriate media card

[eager pendant]

@winged knoll thank you

[oblique ruin]

hello guys

sorry not related to HA necessarily but may I ask which smart power plug and which IP camera ( in the budget segment) you has experience with, or can recommend?

[bright jacinth]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

Command '~what' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

For cameras, see #cameras-archived

If you're using Zigbee, try the Ikea ones

[oblique ruin]

nah, right now I need something separate which works on its own

do you recommend to read the #cameras-archived topic or I can go ahead and ask

[winged knoll]

Well, ask over there, but if you want purely stand-alone you need to say that - see the bot message 😉

Of course, "stand-alone" usually means tied to some cloud service

[oblique ruin]

alright, thank you.

Regarding the power plug:

• Which country you're in - Hungary
• What your budget is - Around 55 EUR ( I need at least 2 socket, or a power strip)
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave) - Standalone for now, if it can be integrated later it is also great but not a necessity
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc) - Power monitoring is nice but not mandatory, can a power socket dim? If yes that would be also nice as I would plug a lamp into one of them

[winged knoll]

Well, "standalone" will mean WiFi, since it'll use some proprietary cloud service

[oblique ruin]

ah, alright

[eager pendant]

Hey guys. I have a couple Leviton wall switches. I can control them through the generic Overview page . The outside garage lights there is a toggle for them, works great. I cannot add them to any automation, they arent listed as a device. WHen i look at the device in Configuration / Entities, I see the device, but it is read only and says "This entity does not have a unique ID, therefore its settings cannot be managed from the UI." Can these not be used in automation?

[winged knoll]

Taking the second question first...

https://www.home-assistant.io/faq/#this-entity-does-not-have-a-unique-id

The answer to the first question would be #automations-archived - and yes you can, just not using device triggers/actions

Standard state triggers and service calls work just fine 😉

[gloomy spoke]

I kinda wish that it was just one giant list of devices and entities, rather than creating some arbitrary distinction that most users don't care about

"Do I want to use a device or entity?"

[eager pendant]

Ah cool, thanks. big learning curve. My first day

[winged knoll]

Well, Devices are very new (in HA terms)

And not every integration can support them, even if the devs wanted to

[gloomy spoke]

sure, point is that they want to trigger on "something", so list of things that can be triggered on 🙂

[winged knoll]

That sounds like advanced thinking

[gloomy spoke]

many folks don't find their thing in the list with the default type of "device" and think "discord"

[winged knoll]

Here are the things you can use, what would you like to do with them
rather than
What would you like to do first

[gloomy spoke]

or "I give up"

[winged knoll]

Not sure this advanced thinking will catch on...

[eager pendant]

Well its strange, when you think trigger, you think this will cause the action to happen

if the "State" is a trigger, kinda confused me

[gloomy spoke]

I think it's the goal of the first dialog, but it's still in its infancy

https://imgur.com/a/FKymA8X

[winged knoll]

It's worth taking a read through the automation docs, it explains all the (non-device) things, and how they work

[opaque halo]

Trådfri or hue?

[rotund dragon]

I am in need of a few decent expensive (prefer zwave or zigbee) humidity and motion sensors for bathrooms. Any recommendations?

@gloomy spoke I think that would be a great idea and since the latest release allow you to see any thing that a particular card that you are creating can control, your suggestion definitely seems in reach.

[long charm]

Anyone else get the Nest Device Access Console email today?

Haven't had a chance to explore yet but hopefully it provides improved capabilities for home automation hobbyists

Oh lol they want a 1 time non refundable $5 fee to sign up

[chilly iris]

@rotund dragon Xiaomi's sensors are great.

[ruby talon]

https://developers.googleblog.com/2020/09/google-nest-device-access-console.html

we talking about this yet?

ah, i see that we are 😛

[rotund dragon]

@chilly iris Are they flashed with tasmoto?

[chilly iris]

zigbee

[rotund dragon]

cool I will look into them

[chilly iris]

@rotund dragon https://aliexpress.com/item/4001238299065.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.10ec664ej0oefK&algo_pvid=7398ce3d-ec51-45c3-84a6-4c83d0ecac05&algo_expid=7398ce3d-ec51-45c3-84a6-4c83d0ecac05-8&btsid=0bb0622f16008139806431609ef66c&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_

[ruby talon]

oh dang. i see the nest protect isn't a "supported device"

[tall drift]

Well then - https://developers.googleblog.com/2020/09/google-nest-device-access-console.html

[gloomy spoke]

that's the second time that's been posted on the screen

[tall drift]

Sry. Email went out tonight. Bunch of hopeful nest owners.

We are...

[long charm]

Spend $250 on a thermostat, they take away the api and then want to charge you $5 more to get it back

[tall drift]

And in my defense wasnt on screen on mobile. Ill check next time. That aliexpess link pushed it out of view.

Id pay 5 bucks. Better than dropping 100 more dollars on a zwave device.

Id pay 5 bucks to get an old school api key

[long charm]

So far the badnest integration serves my purposes well enough. If I had something I couldn't do that I really wanted to id pay $5

[tall drift]

Ive cut bait with badnest. Thankful to the devs for getting it running but I had issues with it. Mainly having to re-login after 30 days or so. Weird errors in my ha logs. Fear of it stopping working and not investing in ha based automations because of the uncertainty around the protobuf api.

Original developmer seems to have stoped maintaining it as well. I used some of the forks. But they also suffered from some of the issues that caused me to stop integrating my thermo with HA.

[daring vigil]

Is Inovelli Red the way to go if I want a switch to control smart bulbs?

[light ridge]

Yep, I'd rater pay $5 than faff around in an inspection window every few weeks to get a new token.

[bold roost]

Hi guys, im looking for a NUC to host my home assistant

i got like 4 cameras and would like to do some object detection as well

would something like this works?
https://www.amazon.ca/Beelink-Computer-Windows-x5-Z8350-1000Mbps/dp/B07K6H6XVN

[runic drift]

atom cpu's are kind of shit imo

[foggy pecan]

yeah, they're not great

[zealous dune]

find a J Celeron one

[bold roost]

I see

what about something like this?
https://www.amazon.ca/Beelink-T34-M-Windows-Computer-Ethernet/dp/B08D96HGX8/

like for $30 more

[runic drift]

I can't tell if 150 us for a 2016 cpu is a rip off or not lol

[bold roost]

its CAD

lol

ideally ill like to get a used one

[zealous dune]

so thats like 90$ US?

[runic drift]

no it's 150 us, that link said 189cad lol

[bold roost]

like 110

yeah for the 2nd one

[runic drift]

well 140ish something to be clear

[bold roost]

im gona wait for a deal but thanks for letting me know that i should stay clear off ATOM cpus

[runic drift]

I would go with an i3 at the very least

I think some around who do it use like i5's

[bold roost]

outside of my budget, but ill try to scour the used market for one

[runic drift]

look at the amd small form factor

the ryzen 5 should be good enough

[nova lava]

Has anyone done a project for the kids rooms where they have a light switch that is disabled between certain hours? (i.e., 9pm to 7am)

[long charm]

Not me but seems like it would be relatively straightforward whether you went with a smart bulb or a switch

Do you have one picked out?

[gloomy spoke]

Switches usually control loads directly, so completely disabling a switch may be difficult. A plug-in module for a lamp might help

[nova lava]

No, I don't have one picked out yet. I would prefer to control it at the switch rather than at the bulb (it's a ceiling fan/light kit combo)

[runic drift]

Shelly 1pm on light switch or Shelly 2.5 on both light and ceiling in detached switch mode. You can even accomplish what you want through the onboard firmware without even needing to go through something like HA

[odd walrus]

A question not really HA relevant. But can someone recommend a router best suitable for home automation?

[bright jacinth]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

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[winged knoll]

But also, what do you mean by that? I mean, my router (Fritz!Box) doesn't get in the way, and I can even control parts of it with the various integrations for it

It doesn't do automation though (well, it does, but I don't use it, that'd be crazy)

[odd walrus]

The 2.4 ghz WiFi on my current ASUS AC88-u stopped working. I assume some defect while 5ghz still works.

I’m in the planning to move to a new apartment and also want to separate the IOT-network

Reading a lot about ubiquiti but they are kind of expensive

And only Switches if I read correct

Thought about Fritz!Box too, just wasn’t sure if they can provide several WiFi networks the way I want (like still let me control the IOT devices while my phone sit in another WiFi)

[winged knoll]

They do also have a Guest Network feature

The Asus ZenWifi stuff I've got (that I'm using just as access points for WiFi) also support multiple WiFi networks

[past canyon]

And only Switches if I read correct
@odd walrus they have switches, routers (usg, udm), access points

It's what I use

Another option, albeit with a steeper learning curve, is mikrotik

As for price, yeah they're expensive

Even if the Udm is pretty well priced for their standards imho

[bright jacinth]

@smoky moth Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

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[smoky moth]

Does anyone know if a smart powerplug with PoE exists that doesn't have a wireless connection to the network?

[glossy prism]

Doesn't really sound like something made commercially, but I could be wrong

[odd walrus]

Thx @past canyon I will have a look at them again

[oblique ruin]

@winged knoll Could you please help me out on the power socket matter too? 🙂

or anyone

[bright jacinth]

@oblique ruin Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on).

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[winged knoll]

"the power socket problem" is damned vague though

[fringe moon]

🤫

[oblique ruin]

oh, I already posted it, I thought you remember, my bad

• Which country you're in - Hungary
• What your budget is - Around 55 EUR ( I need at least 2 socket, or a power strip)
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave) - Standalone for now, if it can be integrated later it is also great but not a necessity
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc) - Power monitoring is nice but not mandatory, can a power socket dim? If yes that would be also nice as I would plug a lamp into one of them

Need it for a Solenoid valve and an Aquarium Light (turn off, turn on remotely, in a specific time etc.)

[winged knoll]

Well, you want standalone, which means WiFi, and I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole 😉

Zigbee FTW

[sour stone]

Recently getting error with DMX lights no longer working. Any help with this is greatly appreciated.
error: This entity does not have a unique ID, therefore its settings cannot be managed from the UI

[winged knoll]

https://www.home-assistant.io/faq/#this-entity-does-not-have-a-unique-id

[sour stone]

That helps me understand the error message. Still have problem with DMX no longer working. Just wondering if others are having issues or if it is something with my system. Or any fixes for this.

[oblique ruin]

what about Philips Hue Smart Plug EU?

that can be used with hue app and also with zigbee

or which zigbee device would you suggest?

[winged knoll]

I'd ask in #integrations-archived @sour stone - with details of any errors/warning in your log file - and check the open issues list

I'd get an Ikea Tradfri plug if you wanted a cheap one, but you'll need a Hue Hub to use the Hue app, or a Tradfri Hub to use their app

[oblique ruin]

oh I see

alright

thanks for the tip 🙂

[winged knoll]

As I said before, you want something standalone, that means their service rather than HA

You always need something for it to talk to, whether that's another hub, a cloud service, etc

[oblique ruin]

I understand

by the way Tradfri can be used with Philips Hue Hub (temporarily ) right?

[glossy prism]

Would be interesting to see if this works with HomeKit Controller: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-wi-fi-garage-door-controller-for-apple-homekit-white/5933701.p?skuId=5933701
If so, it could be a potential replacement for everyone struggling with myq and would be more reliable since it would have local control

[fringe moon]

Just esphome that shite 👆

🤫

[glossy prism]

And for anyone who doesn't want to go the DIWHY route

[fringe moon]

😠

[oblique ruin]

or does Shelly Plug S works well with HA?

[fringe moon]

Since it supports mqtt and esphome and tasmota, I don't see why not

[oblique ruin]

thanks

because the other options would be the Philips Hue switch and the TP-LINK HS100 or HS110

or if I can get my hand on the Ikea Tradfi which was recommended by Tinkerer

[civic kraken]

Does anyone have solar panel controller recommendations?

[winged knoll]

cough

[bright jacinth]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

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[civic kraken]

Right... EU, relatively cheap as it'll be low power setup, no protocol preference. Just looking at different options right now

Mostly just opinions from people who have these installed to avoid any pitfalls

[civic kraken]

After some reading, the EPever stuff seems quite interesting. A bit of a pain to integrate apparently, but seems possible https://github.com/gabrielpc1190/Home-Assistant_EPEver-eBox-Wifi-01-MODBUS/

[drifting grove]

Hi All, i'm using tasmota to automate my rolling shutters in my house. To do this i use a Shelly 2.5 module, however when i got to the console to try and set shuttermode 1. I get this response: 17:53:50 CMD: ShutterMode 1
17:53:50 MQT: stat/Shutter/RESULT = {"Command":"Unknown"}

i have tried everything i could imagine but can't quite figure out why the command is unknown

[bright jacinth]

Ready to use custom firmware for ESP8266 devices (including Sonoff)

Docs:
https://tasmota.github.io/docs/

Discord:
https://discord.gg/Ks2Kzd4

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[winged knoll]

I'd try their Discord

[drifting grove]

i fixed it already, thanks i wasn't aware they had a discord!

[slender saddle]

for some reason, my dining room light duplicated in hass.
The original entity, light.dining_room_light no longer works, but light.dining_room_light_2 does work.

I can't figure out how to remove the first one and rename the second, because instead of getting the option to delete entity, I get
This entity does not have a unique ID, therefore its settings cannot be managed from the UI.

https://imgur.com/a/HVtxSOv

[winged knoll]

What integration is used for that light?

Also, #integrations-archived 😉

[rose harbor]

I've purchased 2 sets of ikea fyrtur blinds that came bundled with a repeater. Is the repeater worth hanging onto? I've already got around 20 zigbee bulbs repeating signal throughout the house, and the blinds are already hooked up to the button using deconz and node red. I just wonder if they have any other use, or if I just throw them on ebay

[winged knoll]

If you've already got a load of repeaters, you don't need them

[rose harbor]

I figured as much but I'm grateful for the confirmation!!

[timid mango]

Hey guys, I have a sonoff D1 dimmer switch which keeps turning itself on every couple of hours and stays on until I turn it off. I have not flashed Tasmota. Any ideas why this would be happening?

[thin otter]

What smart thermostat do y'all recommend?

leaning towards ecobee

[gloomy spoke]

always popular

cloud access is flaky, but you can also use the Homekit Controller integration of HA to talk to them locally

[glossy prism]

With limited functionality, but yes, that's what I do

[snow birch]

moved question #cameras-archived

[harsh portal]

I have a deep freezer in my garage. I'm looking for some sort of plug I can plug it into that I could somehow monitor so I know if a breaker has tripped and it no longer has power. Some sort of wifi plug that I could monitor with ping or something? Any suggestions?

I actually have a smart plug that I can monitor with ping, looking for alternative options that I might not have thought of

[gloomy spoke]

I think anything like that will require power to function. I address that with a temp sensor in the freezer and alerts when it gets too high.

[harsh portal]

that's why I was thinking ping, if the device doesn't have power, it would drop off the wifi

and ping would fail

another project I'm looking at, maybe you can recommend a device for this...Some sort of sensor that can monitor temperature/humidity/(and possibly gforce) that can work from within a safe...trying to turn a dumb gunsafe into a smart gunsafe 🙂

even though I have extremely strong wifi coverage, i have my doubts that it would work inside the safe...I can potentially get an ethernet cable inside the safe, so wired options could be a possibility

[runic drift]

@harsh portal should test the wifi aspect because something like this would work perfectly https://shelly.cloud/products/shelly-door-window-2-smart-home-automation-sensor/

[weary breach]

Hey all, has anyone got there Sonos media library working? i.e Accessing spotify from a sonos within HA? Thanks!

[last jackal]

I'm running broadlink IR which allow me to control most of my IR device. However is there away for HASS to check the states of each device periodically? if yes can someone share a code on how to? SmartIR showing binary_sensor.ac_power for example.. now how could I do this? Thanks

[fringe moon]

@last jackal ir has no states, you would need a smart switch to read power state

[subtle flame]

Hello Community, There is anybody here who have Xiaomi AX1800 Router?

[fringe moon]

@subtle flame what is the actual question?

[bright jacinth]

@subtle flame Don't ask to ask, just ask your question. Then people can answer when they're around.

When you do ask a question, try to provide as much background detail as possible. Ask yourself these questions first so that others don't have to:

1. What version of the Home Assistant are you running? (remember, last isn't a version)
2. What exactly are you trying to do that won't work?
3. Is the problem uniform or erratic?
4. What's the exact error message?
5. When did it arise?
6. What exactly don't you "get"?
7. Can you share sample code, ideally with line errors where the error occurs?

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[subtle flame]

I would like to know in the DDNS service which providers can you select.

I would like to buy one but didnt found the answer on google.

[fringe moon]

You don't have to run the ddns service on the router

[subtle flame]

I know i dont have to but I want.

and there is an option to that in the router, I just dont know which providers are in the list.

[fringe moon]

If you want a router with any option you ever could need, just install opnsense on a 1-10 year old machine

[subtle flame]

thats not really the answer im looking for 😄

[fringe moon]

it's a better answer 🤣

but, yeah, unless it is stated in the manual

you could contact user support

[winged knoll]

They don't even seem to publish a manual you can download

[subtle flame]

yes i didnt found anything about this.

I tried also check a lot of pictures, maybe somebody clicked to "Add" in the DDNS menu 😄

I try live chat on Mi support site.

[subtle flame]

I try to ask again something, there was no answer last time: There is any feedback status led or something what is battery powered and using Wi-Fi?

I want a home made alarm system, and only thing what is missing is a feedback led if its alarmed or not. I have no power in the hall.

[winged knoll]

Battery powered and WiFi .... generally not a combination you'll see due to the fact that the battery won't last long enough

[subtle flame]

Yes, a bit problematic 😄

I have to take care about electricity there im sure.

[fringe moon]

I'm adding my old alarm sensors to a nodemcu

but I'm also running it off 230v

and a ac-dc converter

[subtle flame]

understood, then I'll try to get some power 😄

[winged knoll]

If you can run a network cable you can use anything that's PoE or USB powered

[fringe moon]

[modest pebble]

hei people.

anyone here has experience with DIY sensors for (based on ESP) for temp / humidity?

[winged knoll]

#diy-archived does

[modest pebble]

ah, right

somehow i didn't see that room

thanks

[drifting grove]

Is it possible to secure a particular device so that it can't be (accidentially) activated by users. Let's say I have a roller shutter which I alone should be possible to open and close. I noticed in the nabu casa config that one can set a pincode for security devices. Maybe it is possible to earmark the mentioned roller shutter as security device? Thanks!

[winged knoll]

Not as such, but are you talking about in the UI or what?

[drifting grove]

in UI but also in combination with Google assistant

[winged knoll]

For the latter, your only choices are:

1. Don't expose them
2. Expose something else, like a boolean, and use automations to decide if it should be operated

For the UI, see #frontend-archived

[gloomy sequoia]

o/

hey all, I've just picked up a few teckin bulbs, but want to get switches to control them... I'm having some trouble figuring out what exactly I need

it seems a zigbee or zeave device would be my better option into the future

but I'd also like to make sure whatever I get is also compatible with any bulbs I buy later as well

[bright jacinth]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

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[winged knoll]

Well, you don't attach smart bulbs to switches 😉

[gloomy sequoia]

aha, so that's what I need to know lol

[winged knoll]

If you're indirectly controlling them, using HA, then anything will work

[gloomy sequoia]

sure

[winged knoll]

IMO smart bulbs/lights belong in things not connected to wall switches

Make the wall switch smart otherwise, not the bulbs - it's cheaper too 😉

[gloomy sequoia]

ooh fair enough I suppose

and use a standard bulb?

[winged knoll]

Yes, including things like the Philips Warm-Glo bulbs that become warmer as they are dimmed

[gloomy sequoia]

but no color 😫 lol

but I could set it up that way if I wanted to?

[winged knoll]

Sure, but you'd need to disconnect the bulbs from the physical switch

[gloomy sequoia]

ahhh, that makes sense

[winged knoll]

That or be very careful in your automations, since when you want to control the lights you'll need to turn the switch on, then wait for the lights to reconnect, then act on them

[gloomy sequoia]

is that something that's solved by using a switch with a neutral wire?

[winged knoll]

No, because you're still cutting power to the bulb

[gloomy sequoia]

gotcha

[winged knoll]

Hence why many folks here will tell you never to connect smart bulbs to smart switches, or ideally any wall switch humans will interact with

If those are Z-Wave or Zigbee bulbs then cutting power to them can screw up your mesh too 😉

[jovial pulsar]

Especially dimmers

[gloomy sequoia]

haha well you guys have been very helpful 👍 I was a bit backward lol

[winged knoll]

Yeah, connecting a smart bulb to a dimmer is gonna be fun 😄

[jovial pulsar]

For some definitions of fun.

[gloomy sequoia]

on my bulbs right now, I have the circadian lighting set up

are there any bulbs that would do that?

[winged knoll]

The Philips Warm-Glo bulbs warm when they're dimmed

Otherwise, no, dumb bulbs are generally, well, not smart

[drifting grove]

Does anyone know if there is a UK/EU no neutral Switch apart from the Sonoff T4 (1 way/1 gang)? Cheers

[winged knoll]

Lots of Zigbee options

(well, some anyway)

[past canyon]

Any valid alternative to the Shelly RGBW2 or should I just buy a bunch?

[gloomy sequoia]

so a simple smart switch with a standard bulb, I could set up just on/off with the switch and have brightness controls even without a dimmer switch?

also, I could pretty much have any switch control any light?

I have one particular double switch in my house that one switch controls nothing 😅 so I could make that switch control my lamp for example?

[glossy prism]

The smart switch would also need to have dimming capability

[gloomy sequoia]

ah ok

but the basic rule is a smart switch shouldn't be on anything that should be "always on"?

[glossy prism]

Correct

An exception would be smart switches that you can flash with Tasmota and decouple the relay from the button, but for typical use what you said is correct

[gloomy sequoia]

ah, yeah I haven't looked into that at all

[primal solstice]

Hey All, quick question I have an Insteon Motion sensor on my patio that's connected to Home Assistant Via a Universal Devices ISY 994i This device also has a Dusk, Dawn sensor driven by light detection. But the sensor seems to be inverted in HA. saying no light detected in the morning. and detected light in the evening. How can I invert this sensor?

[gloomy spoke]

Make a template sensor, probably a template binary sensor

[primal solstice]

Okay, I was hoping I could just customize the existing entity but I can make a template.

Thanks!

[gloomy spoke]

Np

[shy torrent]

hi, I have a question about MQTT Device Triggers.

I made a custom sensor with an esp8266. I was able to configure the device with auto discovery and the trigger worked as expected. but then I had to change the payload and now it doesn't work any more-

Ok, I fixed it by deleting the device in HA and adding it again.

[gloomy sequoia]

seems the innoveli reds have the option to NOT cut power to the bulb, that seems like what I want

do florescent lights work with a dimmer?

[runic drift]

do florescent lights work with a dimmer?
@gloomy sequoia no

[gloomy sequoia]

lol

[brisk pulsar]

Hello, I have an issue with Aqara Vibration Sensor. I do not use Aqara Hub and discovered a sensor via Zigbee2Mqtt. It is well discovered and has all entities. The problem is that this is the oly sensor which is not integrating with HomeKit. I have many others discovered the same way and all of them are well visible in my Home app on iPhone, bot NOT THIS one. Any suggestions?

[fringe moon]

@brisk pulsar I have one, it works fine for me, but I dont touch homekit

[brisk pulsar]

@fringe moon does it mean it is well displayed in Home App for you?

[fringe moon]

In home assistant? Yes

[brisk pulsar]

@fringe moon I see it well in HA, I do not see it in HomeKit

[bright jacinth]

Discord isn't like IRC, you don't have to tag people on every response. Keep in mind that every time you tag somebody, they get a notification ping. That can very quickly become annoying and people may block you.

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[foggy pecan]

#zwave-archived

[gloomy sequoia]

@glossy prism is any switch tasmota capable? and is that something you have to physically modify the device?

or any wifi devices that let you control the relay without flashing?

[gloomy sequoia]

I assume even with HA, I would need a switch that supports that

[drifting grove]

HI hopefully i am at the right place tried the integration of my broadlink RM pro with ip adress but always get an error message, has anybody managed the integration in HA

[bright jacinth]

The topic of this channel is:

Questions about a device (not their #integrations-archived with HA)? Someone might have the same device and be able to help you out! If you've got a Z-Wave or Zigbee devices, see #zwave-archived and #zigbee-archived, #cameras-archived for cameras, and #diy-archived for making your own stuff.

Please use https://www.hastebin.com/ or https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs

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[winged knoll]

Almost, you wanted #integrations-archived 😉

[glossy prism]

@gloomy sequoia devices with the ESP8266 line of chips support tasmota

[gloomy sequoia]

but innoveli prob only ones with relay control ootb?

[glossy prism]

@gloomy sequoia those look like zwave so yeah

[gloomy sequoia]

is that a zwave thing?

what about Shelly's?

I'm just seeing them now

hmm, maybe not

seems only one of their models works without a neutral wire... which I don't have in three switches so far 😅 guess I'll be having to go with a WiFi switch anyways

[dense sleet]

My philips tv doesnt support jointspace when i go to http://ip-address:1925 it says forbidden

I can control it from the philips tv remote 2.0 app on android

Is there a way to integrate this tv in HA?

The type is 55PUS6703

[glossy prism]

@gloomy sequoia ESP8266 are wifi chips

[gloomy sequoia]

so what about... does any device flashed with tasmota allow disabling the relay? that's a tasmota feature, not a device one, in that case?

[glossy prism]

devices that use those chips support tasmota

yes

[gloomy sequoia]

ok cool, that may be workable

[glossy prism]

tasmota feature

[gloomy sequoia]

tough to flash?

[glossy prism]

tasmota feature

look up tuya-convert... some devices that say they use the Smart Life/Tuya Smart app support being flashed with tasmota/ESPHome over the air

[gloomy sequoia]

cool, I saw that but wasn't sure if tuya-convert would be same as tasmota

[glossy prism]

tuya-convert is a method of flashing tasmota/ESPHome

[gloomy sequoia]

I mean, that brings me into the realm of $10 switches lmao

instead of $40 ones

[glossy prism]

yeah, unfortunately it's getting harder to find devices that still support tuya-convert

[gloomy sequoia]

ahh, how come?

[glossy prism]

it's an exploit that the manufacturer (Tuya) has been patching

[zealous dune]

there is a light - https://templates.blakadder.com/preflashed.html

[glossy prism]

or using different chips that tasmota/ESPhome don't support

but ESP devices that can't be tuya-converted can still be manually flashed via serial

@zealous dune yeah that is cool, but i always get such a rush from tuya-converting stuff 😂

[zealous dune]

your supply is running low 🤣

i prefer serial flashing, can't beat those flux fumes

[glossy prism]

yeah it really is... i've been very lucky lately though

i do actually enjoy soldering though

[zealous dune]

haven't convertend anything since march... but i do tend to get the newest devices for the site

[glossy prism]

yeah i just see soldering as my fallback option if TC doesn't work

[zealous dune]

i was mostly busy removing new nonESP modules and replacing them

[glossy prism]

ah interesting...i saw one of your posts on that

pretty cool

[zealous dune]

it is fun and exhilarating but long ways off from tuya convert

[gloomy sequoia]

man I'm not having any luck here: https://templates.blakadder.com/switch.html with finding switches with no neutral wire 😫

[zealous dune]

search for "+no +neutral"

[gloomy sequoia]

does eu/us make a significant difference?

[zealous dune]

ofcourse

[gloomy sequoia]

ah yeah, not a single one listed for us

[zealous dune]

you guys can pull neutral through your hollow walls anyway

i need deep knowledge of masonry and painting to do that

[gloomy sequoia]

yeah that's not for me lol

[little sentinel]

Any suggestions for a dimmer? For uk I'm using Conbee 2, zha

[gloomy sequoia]

I can hook up a switch but I'm not a carpenter/mason/electrician lol

[zealous dune]

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/dimmers.html

[gloomy sequoia]

a zigbee device wouldn't fix my issue would it?

[zealous dune]

it would

[runic drift]

@gloomy sequoia you saying you are US without a neutral wire?

[gloomy sequoia]

yes

old home, I suppose

[runic drift]

how is that possible lol

[gloomy sequoia]

I knew that but wasn't sure what the wiring looked like

@zealous dune so a zigbee wall switch would allow me to disable the relay and use it with a smart bulb?

[runic drift]

I don't see how that is possible

[gloomy sequoia]

zwave same story?

[zealous dune]

depends on the switch

[runic drift]

it's one thing to not have a ground, but no neutral shouldn't even remotely be legal anywhere

[gloomy sequoia]

@runic drift I can only see two wires on each switch, seems like no neutral to me

I opened three boxes in my place and all same

[runic drift]

no, that probably means no ground

[gloomy sequoia]

oh wait

wut lol

boy do I feel sheepish lol

[runic drift]

you have a load and neutral, you just don't have a ground

[gloomy sequoia]

hmm

everything I've seen is referring to people who do or don't have a neutral wire

like, everything seems based on whether or not you have it

[runic drift]

old homes with two prong outlets are hot and neutral

[glossy prism]

Two wires on each switch would be line and load @runic drift

[zealous dune]

that's us poor europeans

[gloomy sequoia]

aha ok, so I should be fine with any switch then?

[runic drift]

as long as it dosen't require a ground, some switches do

[gloomy sequoia]

lol they all list whether or not they need a neutral 😂😂

[zealous dune]

ground is for safety anyway

[gloomy sequoia]

but not ground lol

uhhh, ok so a WiFi device that may/may not need neutral, and also can use tuya-convert 🤔 lol

[glossy prism]

If you have line and neutral on a single pole dumb switch, as soon as you turn the switch to on the breaker would trip lol

[runic drift]

Two wires on each switch would be line and load @runic drift
@glossy prism the "line" in that context is neutral

[zealous dune]

???

[glossy prism]

No?

[zealous dune]

thats some newfangled electicals

[runic drift]

the house would hhave to be made in the 1700's to work on load to ground lol

[zealous dune]

line+neutral=closed circuit

[gloomy sequoia]

@glossy prism so... what do I need then? lol

[zealous dune]

switches only break the line

afaik in us electicals the neutral is usually going through the box but is wire nutted in the back

so you would need more than two wires in your switchbox

[glossy prism]

@runic drift if you wire line and neutral together (like you're suggesting with the current dumb switches that drinfernoo has) you'd trip the breaker

A regular single-pole dumb switch will have line and load

[runic drift]

I'm talking about in the box, not what is connected to a simple flip switch

the guy said he had no neutral

[gloomy sequoia]

guys im pretty sure I've just got two wires

[runic drift]

there has to be a neutral in the box

[glossy prism]

Which could be the case

No

[gloomy sequoia]

idk what they are lol

[glossy prism]

There doesn't need to be

[zealous dune]

he also said he is not willing to run the neutral into the switchbox

[glossy prism]

In fact in older construction there often isn't

(this is in the context of the US, not sure about other countries)

[runic drift]

I have never see a box where the hot comes from the source not have a neutral

not once ever

i don't think that is even legal

[glossy prism]

You probably have looked at only newer construction then, or the older construction was thoughtful heh

[runic drift]

if by newer you mean 100 years old.. sure

[glossy prism]

Just saying there doesn't need to be a neutral in each box

[zealous dune]

there is a difference between a junction box and a switch box

[glossy prism]

Yup

[runic drift]

if he has only two wires, one hot(line) and one load then he's boned

[glossy prism]

I'm talking within switch boxes

There are some switches that don't require neutral

[runic drift]

I think GE was making one

but again, thats scary to think about in a home

[glossy prism]

There's a few...haven't personally used any

[zealous dune]

there's actually a lot of them

[glossy prism]

Haven't needed to 😄

[zealous dune]

some are quite sketchy

[runic drift]

https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/2/21042580/ge-c-lighting-smart-switches-dimmers-no-neutral-wire-price-specs-features-ces

is what I was refering to

[gloomy sequoia]

yeah there's definitely smart switches that need no neutral

like the innoveli red

that one allows relay control ootb, but seems it's the only one that does

[runic drift]

these switch boxes metal with a screw clamp holding the wires coming into the box in place?

[gloomy sequoia]

they're metal but I'm not sure about the other part

lemme open one up, it's ugly lol

[runic drift]

I would bet you anything the neutral wire is just on the outside of the box, probably illegally bypassing it going to the light

[gloomy sequoia]

I can't send pics 🤔

[bright jacinth]

Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Command '.images' was invoked by: Tediore

[runic drift]

does the wire having sheathing that kind of looks like metal and tar paper?

[glossy prism]

To quote Tinkerer, "too many idiots posted code as images"

[gloomy sequoia]

https://imgur.com/dhuFIRz

[runic drift]

yup, exactly what I thought it was lol

[gloomy sequoia]

iirc one of the others wasn't as bad

[runic drift]

ok so that is a single line ran down from the light to the switch, the actual hot/neutral is in the light box and not the switch

[gloomy sequoia]

ah, yeah this one's pretty much the same

ohhh damn

that's a pain in the ass

[glossy prism]

Yep, as I mentioned before that's line (hot) and load in the box

[runic drift]

that's 60-70's wiring

one option would be to put a shelly in the light fixture

[gloomy sequoia]

https://imgur.com/XU4F5cF

[runic drift]

you would keep your same switch in place and just use the wires running to it

that isn't technically legal

not a as main serice panel

[gloomy sequoia]

lolol

[runic drift]

secondary can be grandfathered

[gloomy sequoia]

I rent 🤷🏽‍♀️ lol

[runic drift]

I would movve heh

[gloomy sequoia]

that being said, maybe Shelly's in the fixtures, but the less I have to do the better

because I plan on taking any of this stuff with me when we do move

does only the Shelly rgbw work with color bulbs? or is that "too obvious"?

[runic drift]

@glossy prism Good job! 👍

being a rental and all, I wouldn't even recommend using a shelly. I think if this is something you really really want you need to find the no neutral smart switch like they been saying

[gloomy sequoia]

@runic drift oh, this is a secondary panel 🤦🏽‍♂️ I was actually trying to remember where my main panel was, that's how often I'm in it 😅

[runic drift]

ah

well thats good

[gloomy sequoia]

I mean, I'd take the Shelly's too and put them to use somewhere I'm sure lol

I don't see us moving anytime soon and we've been here a few years already

[runic drift]

well in the light fixture you'll find the hot and neutral which is all you need plus the two lines running to that switch

[glossy prism]

Oh gotcha 😂

[gloomy sequoia]

maybe I'll open a fixture and see how crazy they are lol

with your prognosis he meant

[runic drift]

the hot goes into the light box, twists onto one of the wires running to the switch, while the other is connected to the light and the neutral is connected on the other end of the lght

@glossy prism was saying good job, you were absolutely right. think I confused myself with the thought of a house in the US with no neutral lol

[glossy prism]

Oh gotcha 😂

[gloomy sequoia]

I should call my brother, an electrician 😅

[runic drift]

uh yea

[gloomy sequoia]

lol back to square one a little

[runic drift]

that wiring in that house is crazy.. that has metal flake around the outside jacket wrapped around a tar paper like sheathing and the idea behind it was the metal coating (that is likely mostly gone now) was the "ground" it grounded the metal boxes to the service panel which itself was grounded outside

I havve pulled so much of that out of homes over the years it's insane, and that black tar paper like stuff is hard to get out of clothing

people back then didn't really think things through in terms of over time degrading

[gloomy sequoia]

lol there's not even any preflashed ones for US 😅

[runic drift]

preflashed what

[gloomy sequoia]

switches

anybody used this thing? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GJ826F8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A33RI86K4PO1EO&psc=1

it is apparently a zwave AND zigbee hub

[runic drift]

you should figure out roughly what all you want to do before deciding a path. if all you want to do is control a few lights and maybe a few outlets you don't need to go zigbee or zwave because wifi will work just fine and a lot of times be the cheaper option

[gloomy sequoia]

one of the main things i've been wanting to do with these lights is to have the "circadian lighting" set up, which means i need to use smart bulbs

and sounds like for that i need a smart switch that can have the relay disabled

and, there don't appear to be many (if any at all) tasmota-flashable wifi devices that work in my country and don't need a neutral wire

which means if i want that, i'm pretty much stuck with the innoveli red switches, which are zwave

and i figureif i'd have to get a zwave hub, that dude up there seems to also support zigbee, meaning i'd have even more options for devices in the future

[runic drift]

some like the lutron caseta can do circadian built in without the need for flashing

does it being flashable a requirement? does it being local only be a requirement? are hubs a no go?

[gloomy sequoia]

being flashable isn't a requirement, as long as it works with smart bulbs

being local only doesn't matter to me

[runic drift]

smart bulbs? smart switches and smart bulbs do not go hand in hand

[gloomy sequoia]

hubs are fine, but thought i'd save a buck or two if i can get a "two-in-one"

yeah, that's what we came to earlier lol

it's because of this apparently

it's very difficult to find a switch that does what i want

[runic drift]

"smart switches" can do dimming/on/off along with all the schedules and link to other crap. generally when people want "smart bulbs" they want rgb and effects like rainbows etc

so what do you want?

[gloomy sequoia]

all of that

dimming isn't circadian lighting

[runic drift]

well a smart bulb requires power 24/7 and is turned off and on by remote means so you don't use a physical switch generally with them however there are some exceptions to that

[gloomy sequoia]

we're going in circles now lol

[runic drift]

ok, a smart switch is designed to control a dumb bulb to make it "smart" and a smart bulb is designed to be a smart bulb without needing a switch

you don't combine the two in the general sense except in some use cases like using a smart switch to tell HA to control a smart bulb

you can put a smart a smart bulb in a fixture, leave the switch to always on and just control it through something like HA etc

[gloomy sequoia]

so can I get a switch of some kind that just acts as a physical switch for a bulb and it'll just go wherever?

[runic drift]

you mean a remote that looks like a switch and mounts on the wall?

[gloomy sequoia]

having trouble training wife and kid to NOT flip the switches basically

[runic drift]

yes you can do that

[gloomy sequoia]

and kid doesn't have phone

so no HA for her

[runic drift]

well in the scenrio above the switch would relay through HA and HA would control the bulb

[gloomy sequoia]

ooh is that a "remote" then? if I'm searching?

well yeah

I'm saying without a physical switch, she can't control her lights lol

[runic drift]

yes you can use all kinds of things as the remote switch, infact I think they have some that look like normal switches and may even go in the same spot as your normal switch

but you wouldn't hook it up to control the light directly

I have to eat dinner so I can't look for it but this guy has a video on this very thing https://www.youtube.com/c/TheHookUp/videos

[gloomy sequoia]

that would be perfect for me

I've been watching him, will see if I can find

[prime sparrow]

I need to change the value of the brightness for my light bulbs. they are tuya bulbs but instead of a value range 0-255 they are a range 0-1000 is this something I can put in the customize.yaml. So that they calculate and display brightness properly?
I found this out because another program I was using the developer checked the .json data and that was returned when he logged in with my credentials
currently most of time my sliders initialize over 100%

If this is a question that belongs in another channel let me know.

Not really well versed in discord

[civic kraken]

@prime sparrow the integration should handle that conversion as I understand it. The documentation seems to say that light brightness has a maximum value of 255. You can also you brighthess_pct

[gentle fossil]

has anyone been able to extract a roborock token from the roborock app?
I have no trouble extracting it from the mi home app but there doesn‘t seem to be any information online to do the same from the roborock app

[queen umbra]

Does anyone know why on the name of the lock it has the : Locked all of the time? Ex: Front Door: Locked

[frail saddle]

I looking to control two sprinkler valves from HA which just require 12v. I have been looking around and found a 12v ESP8266 2-Channel Wifi Relay which would be ideal as the board is powered by 12v and the valves require 12v, the only issue I have is I don't know if would be possible to control this via Wifi from HA. Any help very much appreciated.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-ESP8266-2-Channel-Wifi-Relay-Switch-Module-Mobile-Remote-Control-Smart/133513388425?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225114%26meid%3D54bb7e4af5a748a99fb4d5528879ec10%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D142774980442%26itm%3D133513388425%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithDarwoV3BBEV2b%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

[queen umbra]

I have a couple of zwave entry sensors that have rusted and need to be replaced. I am thinking of moving to wifi.. I would like to keep them recessed any suggestions?

[gloomy sequoia]

@prime sparrow check out https://github.com/ollo69/ha_tuya_custom

[winged knoll]

https://sensative.com/sensors/strips-zwave/guard/ @queen umbra if you're happy to stay Z-Wave

[queen umbra]

Hmm those are interesting 10 year battery life... I really like that. All thought I wonder how that would be on a door that gets a lot of use..

[winged knoll]

So far so good 😉

I don't think you'll get 10 years, but I'm expecting 7 to 8 years with our utility door, which is used a few dozens of times a day

That's been in about 4 years and reports 50% battery. The front door has been in about 3 years and reports 75%

Then again, the patio door also reports 75%, fitted at the same time as the front door, and is barely used 🤷

[queen umbra]

Hmm interesting. I might try them out. Thanks for the recommendation

[winged knoll]

No worries, I've been very happy with mine, and they're now the main reason I'll keep my Z-Wave mesh 😄

[median vigil]

Hi all,
I've been trying to figure out the best way to set up a remote for my AC unit. I have an IR blaster setup using tasmota and mqtt, and I have recorded all the commands for the remote. I set up a switch in the config file but it seem hacky and clunky since I need more commands than on/off. Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks.

[foggy pecan]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/climate.mqtt/

@median vigil

[gloomy sequoia]

ok so I bought some lutron aurora dimmers, and a hue bridge

but I can't connect the switches in the app until I connect hue bulbs... which I didn't buy

[frank mica]

really odd all the energy monitoring smart plugs like the kasa and the wemo are all out of stock on amazon

i am having a hard time finding a reasonable price energy monitoring smartp lug that works with HA

the only thing i have found on amazon is a $55 zwave one which is way too expensive

if anyone has one they know of they can recommend please let me know

[dawn tangle]

@frank mica If you're in the US, would something like this do? https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=27481

[lime acorn]

Hi everyone! Quick question for anyone who has installed some Martin Jerry switches.

I just installed my first pair and one of them makes little beeping humming sounds when it’s running. Almost like a little dial up modem is in there. This can’t be good, right? Is it wired wrong? Is the switch gonna die on me? Is that a fire hazard???

[glossy prism]

@frank mica how comfortable are you with flashing devices with custom firmware via serial? The sonoff S31s have energy monitoring and can be had for around 15 USD, and they are super easy to open up and flash with Tasmota

And then you can use mqtt discovery to get them to appear in home assistant

[neat frost]

since deconz considers plugs as lights, it also shows up as a light in Hassio: https://s.woet.me/Iz87PveKFQ.png

is there a way to fix this? if I try to change the entity ID, I get "Domain needs to stay the same"

[winged knoll]

I'd ask the folks in #zigbee-archived

Or possible ask the folks over in the deCONZ discord if there's a way to not have it do that

[bright jacinth]

deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[twilit bobcat]

@neat frost you can make a template switch

[graceful star]

hi ppl, there is anyway to flash this?

https://detail.1688.com/offer/607830962757.html?_server_name=www.ada.top&visitorIp=85.242.111.199&_server_port=80&from_site=officialsite

[thick lynx]

Hi, has anyone noticed differing update cycles for MI Flora? I'm using the default setting but for some device not all values are updated. Like temperature was updated 5 minutes ago, but the moisture value for the same device is 3 hours old. Is that just a display thing because nothing has changed (which I don't really believe)?

[civic kraken]

I've noticed that. Not sure what's causing it and it's not a huge deal for me

[thick lynx]

How many Devices do you have, @civic kraken? I have 6 devices on a Pi 3 B+, not sure if that's what's causing it, but I don't think so.

[thin otter]

Does anyone have experience with Inovelli switches?

[civic kraken]

Just one on a NUC @thick lynx

Using esp32 as a bridge was more reliable for me

[thick lynx]

I've been using the current setup for a couple of weeks, so far without major issues. I think some of them have been "unavailable" for a few minutes which I cant find a reason for. The difference in the data is fine as well. It's not like a plant is going to die if the data isn't pulled every few minutes.

[hasty garden]

Do someone here ever tried Beca Thermostats for home heating? http://www.becaenergy.com/index.php/Home/new/index.html

My concern is that having constantly the device powered up with home curent 220V will keep the thermostat warm and the temperature sensor can read a different temperature than the real one

[glad sinew]

what was the purpose of neutral wires in light switches before smart switches

my house was built before the age of smart switches, and it has capped of neutral wires in all the switches

[fringe moon]

In Norway atleast all boxes in wet rooms have always had neutral wires

Because we are required to break both neutral and live for lights in wet areas

Like bathrooms, wash rooms, garages

[zealous dune]

in my house there's an extra wire in some places but it wasn't connected to neutral. the installer just used the 3 wire cable in everything so left that one dangling. i'm eternally grateful for that 😉

[fringe moon]

🤫

[twilit sleet]

Hey all, is there any easy way to convert a sensor that represents bytes into mb? I essentially want to create a sensor that represents the result of computing: <input sensor> / 1,048,576 From reading the docs i'm assuming that this will involve HomeAssistant's templating language, or possibly filters? I can't seem to find a guide in the docs so apologies in advance if this is already covered somewhere.

[winged knoll]

You'd have to do it in a #templates-archived

[glad dust]

Has anyone seen a good, cheap setup for multi-room audio from HASS (just sounds, not music)?

I guess a cheap amp and cheap speakers would be a fairly obvious bet? One catch is I need it to be fairly low latency for the initial connection, so chromecast isn’t ideal

[winged knoll]

Good and cheap for multi-room audio tends not to go hand in hand 😉

Audio sync is a non-trivial thing, which is why those that do it well are expensive

TBH, I've found Google Home devices are fine for sounds, the delay is small enough

[glad dust]

I should say I’m not saying it needs to sync

[fringe moon]

Just for notifications and sounds, I see no issues with Google home

[glad dust]

Basically I have a Honeywell Galaxy alarm panel that I’ve got a SelfMon VRIO for now

This is at our 3-story office. The chime for the door opening is an annoying little bastard, but I do need to know if someone opens the door...

So I’m thinking I’ll setup a few cheap speakers around the building and play some other sounds down them (Zelda secret sound, Metal Gear alert, etc)

Not sure what the best route for actually getting audio to it even if I do wire it though, probably not straight from the server...

I have Echos dotted about but I can’t play anything that isn’t on a music service 🤔

[fringe moon]

They can't?

Pretty sure there is a custom component for that

But I don't touch Amazon, so no idea

[glad sinew]

do tp link routers work well with home assistant as far as presence detection goes?
if not what brand do you guys reccomend

[runic drift]

@glad sinew last I read you had to do some trickery so that HA could log into the tp link router which is ok I guess but not the most ideal. There was a custom component you could use. I am sure there are others but I use Linksys which so far has been flawless for a year but not saying it's the best/worst. I would look through the integrations page https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ and then compare to reviews if the device tracking aspect was a big factor in your choice.

[glad sinew]

thanks!

I'm finally moving out and me and my room mate are going to smart home the heck out of everything so i wanted to make sure we had a router that would play nice

i think im going to go with a netgear nighthawk

also holy crap im scrolling thru this integrations page

it has connections for things i would have never thought to integrate

lol steam integration

finally, i can start my toaster when my friends are playing among us

[pulsar lodge]

Hey, new guy here. Quick question. How do you trigger discovery of new devices? I'm installing a few of these: https://www.kasasmart.com/us/products/smart-plugs/kasa-smart-wifi-plug-lite-hs103p2?option=1

and I got the first one to connect successfully, but when I added a second one to the network it did not show up automatically like it says it should.

My suspicion is that the first one was added in because it was already on the network when I installed the integration.

And it did a scan as part of the install.

But now I can't figure out to trigger it again.

[runic drift]

@pulsar lodge have you tried plugging the kasa device in then restarting ha? I dunno if there is a way to manually que the scan or not since I never set mine up through the ui

[pulsar lodge]

I'll try that, though it seems like there should be some sort of method of triggering a rescan.

Looks like the reboot worked. It's a shame I'll have to reboot every time I add devices though. 🤷

[runic drift]

i am sure there is a different way, I just haven't really dived into all the changes since I first set mine up back when it was v102 lol

[harsh portal]

does anyone know of any motion sensors that I can attach to my existing rocker style decora switches?

[runic drift]

@harsh portal not sure how you mean

[harsh portal]

ideally it would connect to line and neutral to power it and just have the sensor part like come out the bottom of the wall plate or something

I like my caseta switches, but would like to add motion sensing, but dont want to deal with a bunch of battery powered sensors etc

something similar to this, except instead of powering the little light, it would power a motion sensor

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51PcVeWM4DL._AC_SL1000_.jpg

[runic drift]

@harsh portal aside from in wall occupancy sensor switches i know of no "addon" that you could add to an existing ac switch

[harsh portal]

yea, i couldnt find any either, but thought i'd ask

[runic drift]

most people either replace the switch with an occupancy switch or do like the smart switch + battery powered motion sensor to toggle the lights to come on

[harsh portal]

i hate battery powered devices

[runic drift]

there are in fact commercial solutions

[harsh portal]

but I really like my caseta switches...and have a lot of $$ invested in them 🙂

[runic drift]

I have seen them in colleges, they look like outdoor pir sensors found on like flood lights but usually located in the corner of the room. no clue where you would find that or how it's wired

[harsh portal]

https://www.crestron.com/Products/Lighting-Environment/Sensors/Occupancy-Sensors/CEN-ODT-C-POE

something like that?

[runic drift]

that says poe so not sure if that's a network type device or just can be powered by power of ethernet

[harsh portal]

yea, had poe in my search 🙂

[runic drift]

the one's i've seen look like old pir motion sensors, they probably are but they are wired to something and the switches on the wall look just like regular toggle switches so no clue how it works

[pulsar lodge]

Low tech solution for you, if you're willing to try it: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012ZZ4LPM/

[runic drift]

seen them in colleges and hospitals where they want the lights to automatically go out after a certian time no motion is in the room etc

@pulsar lodge he wants it to be ac powered and hook directly to the sc switch

[harsh portal]

i've seen them built into switches before. i've installed them in previous houses too before i did any automation

[pulsar lodge]

hmmm

[runic drift]

in the 80's/90's it would probably be easier to find what you are looking for but because today is all about battery power smart stuff stuff like that is just rare

[harsh portal]

its asking a lot honestly...to fit all that and wifi into a small enough package to be able to slip beside the switches

[runic drift]

well you can put a shelly behind your exsisting switch to keep the switch and then use a seperate motion sensing solution all while keeping your exsisting switch

[harsh portal]

i've heard the shelly mentioned a lot, but have never actually looked into what it is

[runic drift]

it's smaller than a hockey puck that sits behind the switch. it turns any "dumb" switch into a "smart" switch

[fringe moon]

If you have neutral and live in the box

[harsh portal]

my existing switches are smart, they're caseta, thats why i'm trying to not replace them..probably have $1000 invested in them lol

[runic drift]

oh lmao

well if they are smart then your good to go for like a wifi motion sensor or something

[fringe moon]

I do smart switches where I have dumb lights , like the garage

Anything else is smart bulbs

[runic drift]

he wants motion sensing to turn on/off the lights in a room

[fringe moon]

That's easy, if the smart switches are available in HA

[harsh portal]

well, i just want the motion sensing into HA...might use for some lights...but have other ideas for it as well

i was trying to find something that could somehow attach to the existing light switch for the motion sensing so I wouldn't have to wire/power another device elsewhere

[fringe moon]

Just go wireless sensors

[harsh portal]

I hate batteries

[fringe moon]

I use Xiaomi, so far two years battery life

[runic drift]

many things now last a few years on batteries

[fringe moon]

I've heard of people with four

[runic drift]

so batteries aren't all that bad

they take those expensivve cr batteries tho lol

[fringe moon]

Nah, Xiaomi are the round ones

[harsh portal]

cr batteries are round?

[runic drift]

watch batteries are still cr batteries lol

[fringe moon]

Cr2450

[runic drift]

cr are both

[fringe moon]

They are cheap enough

The zwave one I have uses cr123

That one is expensive

[runic drift]

those odd shapped aaa wannabe sized batteries lol

[fringe moon]

Yes

Bought one, cost $12

[runic drift]

lol

[fringe moon]

The cr2450 was $3 for two

[runic drift]

having to buy one every few years isn't bad

but when you buy something that eats through them like candy then you know to throw the device away and not the battery lol

[fringe moon]

I have replaced one battery so far, after two years in my 30 or so sensors

For the most active door sensor

Cr1632 in that one

[runic drift]

@harsh portal shelly + pir sensor like those flood light sensors would be ac and you can feed it into HA. if you buy the right one it would look like that cmmercial application I was talking about

but you would have to wire it through the wall or something

[harsh portal]

yea, if I end up doing something like that, i'll mount on the ceiling

[runic drift]

if you got an exhaust fan nearby you would be good to go

[fringe moon]

Without replacing the switch box with a double one to hold the wired motion sensor it probably won't be pretty anyway

[runic drift]

well assumg there is an always hot line there

[harsh portal]

I have plenty of options for power if I goto the attic...I have no problem jumping off another circuit or even powering it with poe

[pulsar lodge]

you could always bypass the batteries if you're not worried about doing a few hardware modifications.

[harsh portal]

I could probably do the mods...I just prefer the prebuilt so I don't have to remember wtf I did 3 years from now (hell, or even 3 weeks) when it fails lol

[pulsar lodge]

My thought looking over this conversation was if the wireless motion sensors could handle 5v. If so you could hack the plug end off of a usb wall wart and wire it in bypassing the batteries.

[runic drift]

not sure how it would look, but you could mount a switch box to the ceiling, put a dumb occupancy sensor switch in it with plate and hook that to a shelly. it might actually look pretty clean lol

if in the future yoiu don't want it no more just buy one of those blank switch covers and presto lol

[harsh portal]

i dont know man..those things are like $0.19 😛

[runic drift]

lol, now that i think about it. that's how i would do it if i had above room access

those things only stick out from the wall a quarter of an inch, if you were to put it in a corner or something noone would even see it

[fringe moon]

That's why I did the wireless ones

People don't even see then

Unless they are looking

[runic drift]

this would be a no battery solution

[fringe moon]

Aye, I've been in... Rich people houses, there are very small nice commercial PIR stuff

That is wired from above

[runic drift]

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/42be3baf-befe-4d0d-b64e-2de5011f71da_1.35542a77dfeba161fc4e9ef6b3b7dda3.jpeg

[fringe moon]

All of them connected via rs485

[runic drift]

clean lol

you can even do that with the dumb humidity switches, but those switches are not cheap. the motion ones you can get for like 10 bucks

[fringe moon]

Aye, you can 3d print mounts for anything

[ripe pond]

anyone here running HA on an Odroid N2?

[pulsar lodge]

@harsh portal , I have a solution for you. https://www.amazon.com/IS335-WIRED-Motion-Detector-Honeywell/dp/B00TYY8LR2/ and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B081PX9YFV/

all you need is a USB 5v power supply

the motion sensor has an internal relay it closes

Sorry, 5v for the board, 9-15v for the sensor

use a 12v power supply and one of these to step down to the board voltage, then use the relay to feed 5v to one of the GPIO pins as an input: https://www.amazon.com/Magnolian-Display-Supply-Converter-Module/dp/B00CBCGAL8/

[fringe moon]

I'm reusing my 90s motion sensors with a nodemcu now

Same for those 9-18v for the sensor

And I use 3v to sense the state

[pulsar lodge]

those boards are stupid simple to config.

there's even a plugin in ha specifically for them.

[fringe moon]

Multiple

I'll just use esphome

[pulsar lodge]

that's the one

[fringe moon]

You also have konnected

[runic drift]

honestly a $10 occupancy sensor, $2 switch box and $2 switch plate and $2 worth of wire and $13 shelly would be the way to go

[autumn horizon]

has anyone setup a shelly 1 with esp home?

and whats your experience?

[bright jacinth]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32. You can find their documentation here, and get help here in the #diy-archived channel. They have their own Discord server too.

Command '~esphome' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[autumn horizon]

i know how it works ... i just wanted someone to tell their personal experience

i have 4 of them setup via tasmota and mqtt

[winged knoll]

That's why I suggested their Discord 😉

You'll find folks there who've got experience for sure

[autumn horizon]

ah ok

[oblique ruin]

@winged knoll I know it is not the most optimal choice but out of these two which one would be your recommendation?

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-gb/p/hue-smart-plug/8718699689285

https://shelly.cloud/products/shelly-plug-s-smart-home-automation-device/

I not sure if I can get ahold of an Ikea Tradfri now. I am not necessarily planning to build a whole system out of this, I just need to use them to control my Fish tank lights and Solenoid Valve when I am not home and to time them of course.

There is another option but not sure about it:

https://www.tp-link.com/en/home-networking/smart-plug/hs110/

I know you do not really prefer WiFi however these are the current options I can get ahold of within my time frame available right now.

Thanks again!

[autumn horizon]

thanks... i thought you wanted to refer me to the docs

[bright jacinth]

@oblique ruin Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on).

Command '~tagging' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

Personally, I'd use neither 😉

[autumn horizon]

ok this is funny... look what just got uploaded by the one and only guy with the swiss accent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHaFM0tKOvY

@oblique ruin there have been some tests regarding power consumption for smart plugs:

On facebook Michael Ritter did a measurement of some power plugs, the power usage of them self
Maybe useful for someone. I made some quick power measurements of my Zigbee and Wifi Smart Plugs (left on / right off).  
These are no long term measurements. Just done quick and dirty.
The Gosund Plugs are flashed with tasmota. Shelly has stock firmware.
IKEA TRADFRI control outlet: 1.0 / 0.0
Osram Smart Plug: 1.9 / 0.5
Xiaomi Mi Smart Plug: 0.5 / 0.0
Innr SP120: 1.3 / 0.0
Gosund SP1 (Wifi): 1.7 / 0.0 
Gosund SP111 (Wifi): 1.3 / 0.0
Shelly Plug S (Wifi): 0.5 / 0.5
Of course 0.0 Watt are not realistic, but there is just 1 decimal. So I assume its less than 0.05 Watt, otherwise it would have been rounded up to 0.1 Watt or so. See it just as a trend how they relate to each other.

[oblique ruin]

@winged knoll yeah, however then what can one do? 🤷‍♀️

[autumn horizon]

i think it depends on how keen you are to customize your devices...

shelly devices can generally be reflashed with a custom OS

[bright jacinth]

@oblique ruin Generally, don't tag people to ask for help - it comes across as bad manners, you’re demanding somebody answers you. It’s different if you’re thanking somebody, obviously. If you do tag somebody keep it polite and respectful. Remember that everybody is a volunteer, and nobody has to help you, and people may block you.

Similarly, please don’t DM (direct message) people asking for help. It also comes across as demanding, and means that others can’t learn from what you do.

Finally, please keep tagging people in replies to a minimum. That too can become annoying very quickly and should be used only when it's necessary (such as if it's been a long time, or there's multiple conversations going on).

Command '~tagging' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

@oblique ruin STOP

@oblique ruin TAGGING

@oblique ruin TO DEMAND

@oblique ruin MY RESPONSE

Oh, and I've blocked you, so don't worry about it 😉

[autumn horizon]

Philips hue not so much... i haven't heard any complaints about neither so it doesn't really matter

[oblique ruin]

sometimes you are so mean

it is not that I do not understand your reasons

however simply I am just used to my local forums where one usually tags the person before responding. There was no intention to demand your respond. But alright have it your way.

and No_One, thanks for your help

by the way I am using Hue lights and they work just fine when I am not at home. It has its flows while using Siri however I never failed to turn them off or on from the app itself. Another plug is that after I set a schedule to turn on and off at a given time it does even if the Philips Hue hub is not connected to the internet and the Wifi.

Do you think Shelly plugs can also continue they Schedule after setting them even if the Wifi system fails?

[autumn horizon]

it depends on the firmware i guess. i know that shelly aswell as tasmota(haven't found a suitable image though) have this feature... not sure wether its configurable via homeassistant...
You could take a look at https://github.com/StyraHem/ShellyForHASS in the Hacs appstore.
Its more feature rich than the new native shelly integration.

[oblique ruin]

ah, I see

alright thanks for helping out

so you think Shelly natively supports it?

[autumn horizon]

it says so on their homepage.. i won't vouch for it ...

[mossy sentinel]

Hi, Im looking at getting a Nest doorbell and IQ cam. I'd like to integrate it with my current Hassio setup, but from what i can see, something has changed as of last month

I'm just curios what the latest is on this as there isnt much documentation

Does hassio support Works with Google Assistant?

[bright jacinth]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It is now simply called Home Assistant OS (see #330990055533576204).

Command '~hassio' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

Home Assistant does, but Nest is different, and currently Nest support is limited to the badnest custom component

[mossy sentinel]

thanks, I'll do some digging. didn't come across the badnest component when i was looking

basically what i'm after is movment on either doorbell or cam to trigger activities

any good recommendations that are homeassistant friendly

[winged knoll]

For a camera, see #cameras-archived - there's some RTSP ones that integrate well

[mossy sentinel]

👍

[earnest shadow]

Woot, picked up some RGB strips from Costco today that flashed cleanly with tasmota

[wet moat]

Which ones?

[earnest shadow]

Mirabella genio, 3 pack for 90 aud. Same as what Kmart has for 40 aud each. Not as cheap as Ali obviously but not awful

Profile https://templates.blakadder.com/mirabella_genio_I002579.html

[stone spindle]

hello. im using a "Teckin" smart bulb (which seems to be a Tuya), and HA does not detect that the color can be changed.

so i overrode the supported_features to 51. now i can change the color, but it changes back to white after i set it to something else. can anyone tell me whats going wrong ?
51 = BRIGHTNESS | COLOR_TEMP | COLOR | TRANSITION i think according to https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/master/homeassistant/components/light/__init__.py#L35.
even weirder things with supported_features = 19. now the color does stay changed, however the UI thinks its white even after its changed. and changing the temperature actually does reset the color to white

[peak talon]

Is there a way to get the entities based on the device? Like how the integration reports it?

[sour ravine]

is there a good way to update devices. say i change a device name in the Sonoff app, do i need to change it in HA or is there a way to auto pull it again?

[drifting grove]

Someone please, please, please help me. I've spent weeks trying to get my logitech pop buttons to integrate with hassio following this tutorial: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/logitech-pop-integration/42740 but I haven't had any success - would someone be able to guide me through it?
I run home assistant in raspbian on a raspberry pi 4 b 4gb

[bright jacinth]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It is now simply called Home Assistant OS (see #330990055533576204).

Command '~hassio' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

You don't run hassio in raspbian 😉

[drifting grove]

sorry

[heavy oracle]

Hi all, any suggestions on an outdoor floodlight/spotlight camera that is compatible with HA (local storage). I know of Ring and Googles spotlight camera products but neither are idea and are too expensive.

[winged knoll]

Buy separate things - buy a flood/spot light, and buy a camera

[heavy oracle]

Buy separate things - buy a flood/spot light, and buy a camera
@winged knoll As obvious as this sounds, sometimes keeping it simple is the best bet, and you're right! I kept getting myself hung up about aesthetics and wife approval.

[winged knoll]

Well, it also means you can pick the individual parts that "fit" the best

#cameras-archived can suggest cameras, based on your needs. Any flood/spot light and a smart switch/module will cover your lighting needs

[heavy oracle]

and on that note I well tell the wife that @winged knoll said this is what I should do, so she should listen to you, not me 😛

[winged knoll]

🤣

Heck, you could go and run some facia level digital LED strips to get a "flood" light approach, that also doubles as some fancy party lighting 😉

[heavy oracle]

that definitely wont be getting signed off. lol

[drifting grove]

@winged knoll are you able to help with the above?

[shrewd geyser]

Hi community... we‘ve the following issue (anyone know how to fix this?):

ha automatically turns lg soundbar (sl10yg) on, after turning off manually

[winged knoll]

I don't use them, I have no idea @drifting grove - if I did, I'd have said something 😉

[drifting grove]

thanks - do you know anyone who would be able to guide me through getting it to work?

[winged knoll]

Ask on that forum thread?

[pulsar mauve]

Is this the proper place to ask people know/think a particular device will work with ha?

[bright jacinth]

The topic of this channel is:

Questions about a device (not their #integrations-archived with HA)? Someone might have the same device and be able to help you out! If you've got a Z-Wave or Zigbee devices, see #zwave-archived and #zigbee-archived, #cameras-archived for cameras, and #diy-archived for making your own stuff.

Please use https://www.hastebin.com/ or https://paste.ubuntu.com/ to share code or logs

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[winged knoll]

so.... probably yes 😉

[pulsar mauve]

Does anyone know if the hugoai table lamp, which works with the smart life app, would work in HA?