hardware-archived

[patent river]

Shared electrical regulations

Any time you see "AS/NZS blah blah" listed next to something electrical, that's "Australian Standard / New Zealand Standard" - all our wiring, power outlets, etc are shared

[tawny viper]

Yea, I can just go zap myself in America

In Texas they love zapping people...

[cold moon]

No we don’t

We’re too busy shooting people in Mexico

[patent river]

Remember comedy=tragedy+time. So you're basically guaranteed to be laughing about it eventually

[drifting ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Esphome/comments/q1cwsu/converting_a_sensibo_sky_to_esphome/ this apparently works very well and I'm about to pull the trigger I think

[tacit burrow]

Hmm

[analog meteor]

Hi I´m looking for a thermostat that works kind of a mechanical thermostat that just communicates HA that the area in which it is needs to be heated (ideally modifying its set point from HA would be nice). Does someone know a sensor that works that way? I´ve been looking for days and all I find are complicated thermostats. Thank you

[muted arch]

Do you want them to still actuate the heating automatically and just report whether they are?
Then it might be easiest to use an esp32 or similar and read those contacts
Or if you just need temperature to determine if you should heat a room, you can use e.g. the aqara ZigBee thermometers

[analog meteor]

@runic drift What I mean with no complicated is that i dont want it to have planning or even need it to turn on the boiler. I just need it to be smart enough to communicate temperature that user wants

[muted arch]

Ok, so set point dial and temperature reading, but no actuators on the device?

[analog meteor]

what i want is to allow non tech people to turn on heating without phone. Heating will be managed from HA with an esp32 connected to boiler.

[analog meteor]

exactly

[muted arch]

Honestly doubt you'll find something that does exactly that
Looking around for a moment I can find a couple rotary nobs that could be integrated, and then split the components
But I'm not sure if any with a screen are cheaper than getting a thermostat that's smart and leaving half the features unconnected

[analog meteor]

at this point i am thinking the same but I think this application should be so common that maybe i was missing something. Thank you for your help anyway

[patent river]

@tacit burrow If you need more points both for and against the built-in option...
While I'm seeing the Sensibo is $120 on sale at some places in AU right now (but $150 normally), seems like "only" $50 extra for the 1st-party one is potentially worthwhile? (if nothing else for avoiding yet another power adapter plugged in somewhere)
If you have cats, mine loved to poke and prod the Sensibo (had it sitting under our tv, they'd sit on the tv cabinet and poke at it). One of those dumb things you'd not think about.
You also get a cumulative energy usage value in the native one (which you can turn into instantaneous watts with a derivative sensor), and an outdoor temperature measurement.
There is one downside with said temperature measurement, which is the reported temperature values are only in 1°C increments (can do 0.5°C in their app, but apparently not in the Echonet code). I'm using a different sensor as my reading of the indoor temperature, because I wanted something more precise than that (and also having high ceilings, the reported value is often 2°C higher than at floor level).
(Of course the Sensibo is entirely the other end of that spectrum, with (frankly bullshit) 0.01°C precision for reported values)

All of this said, the model of heat pump I bought (https://www.mitsubishi-electric.co.nz/heatpump/i/69311B/black-diamond-ln60-high-wall-heat-pump) comes with the WiFi dongle as standard, so having it or not was never really a decision. It also has a neat little cubby inside the indoor unit for the dongle to live in, so is completely invisible (not sure all models have that).

[tacit burrow]

I spoke to my plumber and sparky. Will just get the wifi one, and see where we go. I already have iotawatt for power, and shitty Tuya sensors for temperature

[patent river]

I'm using these for my temperature monitoring https://www.milesight-iot.com/lorawan/sensor/am103/

[tacit burrow]

Cloud wan? Will avoid if I can. Prefer zigbee or wifi

[patent river]

All local. The LoRa gateway (which is just a tiny PoE Linux machine) natively talks MQTT, translates the payload for the sensor and posts it straight into HA

900MHz is... necessary... for what I'm doing though.
I have things in my garage, which is the neighbour's entire house, two concrete retaining walls, and most of my house away from the gateway. No chance that 2.4GHz is getting through all that.

My garage door is now under control via a LoRa I/O module too (https://www.milesight.com/iot/product/iot-controller/uc300)
An MQTT button posts the payload ZGkxcHVsc2U= (base64 representation of the string do1pulse) which causes programming on that controller to pull one of its relay outputs high for 500ms, "pushing the button" to activate the door.
It also has control of the garage lights, and some other digital inputs from the garage door opener that tells it if the door is moving.

All of this is a combination of a) glutton for punishment, and b) sunk cost.
The LoRa gateway was expensive, but now that I have it (and know how to operate it), adding more sensors and devices is comparatively cheap 🙂

[tacit burrow]

Thanks for all those details

[patent river]

I'm more than willing to espouse the virtues of LoRa. It's honestly great, just that there's absolutely no ecosystem built around it, so absolutely everything I've done I had to figure out on my own.

[heady lark]

Maybe take a look at this too: https://github.com/gysmo38/mitsubishi2MQTT and this: https://github.com/SwiCago/HeatPump
Full guide available here if needed: https://chrdavis.github.io/hacking-a-mitsubishi-heat-pump-Part-1/
I've been using Mitsubishi2MQTT with my Mitsubishi LN25 for a while and it's been working quite nicely.

[tacit burrow]

Hmm lots of things to try. My sparky is on holiday for a month anyway

[patent river]

Heh, another difference between our part of the world and the USA. The number of videos Youtube has tried to suggest me of people doing self-installs of mini-split units. It is wild that's even an option.

[zealous dune]

it's wild for you 😄

[patent river]

Does tend to result in some pretty big queues for installs right as the weather gets cold and everyone's units that are on the blink decide to finally crap out for good

[solemn wolf]

technically you could do it yourself in NZ, there's a home owners standard called ECP51 which covers alot of electrical work, assuming you own the house

however you'd have to do a for like replacement on the HP and I bet there'd be no warranty if you did it wrong

[patent river]

Wiring yes. Refrigerant lines no.

[solemn wolf]

no licence required for non-hazardous refrigerant

[drifting ember]

it's wild here cuz you need a license to buy refrigerant but not to use it

[signal barn]

If you can't buy it that makes it difficult to use it, doesn't it? Lol

[drifting grove]

is it me or no matter what channel you choose for to conbee2, after a while, it seems to change to channel 11?

[rich venture]

mini split units are surprisingly easy to install and refrigerant is prefilled in the unit
only thing you need is basic tools + vacuum pump and flaring tool

[golden thorn]

You aren't necessarily legally allowed to install them

[winged knoll]

#zigbee-archived

[drifting ember]

You don't need a vacuum pump or a flaring tool if you buy the right ones

[fresh willow]

Looking for recommendations for a smart plug that has full native support in HA and can monitor wattage?

[cold moon]

Sonoff s31 flashed with esphome

If you search here I’ve posted pics, detailed explanation, and yaml code for them

[fresh willow]

amazing! thank you sir

now probably the harder question... does anyone do this for 220v?

and I mean with native support in HA

[cold moon]

Are you trying to automate washer and dryer?

https://github.com/leofabri/hassio_appliance-status-monitor use this

[fresh willow]

I'll check that out. My goal is to simply know when the dryer (only dryer, i don't care about the washer) is on

tldr: I have grid-tied solar, so I'm kind of incentivized to use what I produce because the rate I get paid per kWh generated is trash. So I generate about 4kW hours, and if my dryer is on, I may do something like make sure the AC/Heater isn't on at the same time

[high stone]

Hey, sorry if it's a common occurrence, I didn't find in the search.
I'm looking for monitoring my current total power usage (and ideally integrate to HA), mostly because I live in a flat with a limited amperage and I'd like an alert when I'm going overboard so i can turn off the kettle/oven before the global breaker in the corridor decides to take matter into its own hands (it's a "D" type so I have some time to react).

Is the Shelly EM still the best way to do that? I'm thinking about it for more than a year but I get scared at the reviews of it burning down (though half of those were poorly installed, it seems).
Ideally looking for things that can be bought/used in Europe

[zealous dune]

How can it burn down if it's a clamp power meter? It doesn't pass all that electricity through

[terse pebble]

The burned ones are mostly relays and user/installation error.

[fresh willow]

so I read through this and it sounds very similar to what I'm trying to do. I'll definitely draw inspiration from this! However, I still am unsure about what actual smart plug I could use for a 220v dryer that has native HA support, if that even exists

[glacial oracle]

if its an american style one youd probably want to install a clamp meter instead from what ive heard

[drifting ember]

my dryer uses a large plug, which I don't think they make smart plugs for. as suggested prolly better to use a clamp meter depending

[fresh willow]

gotcha, that makes sense

so, similar question then 😄 a clamp meter with native HA support?

[glacial oracle]

shelly got ones that work rather well

even tho they arent exactly cheap

[zealous dune]

But native HA support

[cold moon]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0BWNFNXQ5/this will work right?

Oh no energy monitoring

[zealous dune]

Shelly EM

[agile olive]

Hi guys, for those who remember from yesterday, it seems that the Lenovo M700 6500T is also not available. I have the option to buy the 6400T. I think the different is not too much. I can have it with 1x M.2 - 256GB + HDD 500GB or 1x SSD DE 480GB. What do you think it's the best option?

[glacial oracle]

oh they have the em in small now

how much is the price difference

[agile olive]

It's a Lenovo M700 Tiny, Intel® 6ª Generation Core™ I5 6400T @ 2.20 GHz Base up to 2.90Ghz 6 MB cache, 4 Cores, 4 Threads Intel HD Graphics 530 DDR4 memory with 16GB RAM DDR4

[cold moon]

I wouldn’t care about the hdd I’d replace that with an ssd down the line

2.5 inch right?

[agile olive]

price is the same: 160€

[glacial oracle]

like considering storage is at like 35$ a tb for ssds and 15ish for hdds

id probably pick the m2 one

[cold moon]

I guess go m.2 one

Is it m.2 ssd or nvme?

[agile olive]

I can have a 960GB SSD SATAIII for 40€ or an HDD 1TB SATAIII for 39€

[agile olive]

I have to ask

[glacial oracle]

would be interesting to know what kind of ssds that are

[cold moon]

I think it’s not nvme on the mobo

Look at the spec sheet from lenovo don’t ask the buyer

[agile olive]

also, 16GB to 32GB for 39€

[cold moon]

Personally I suggest upgrading ram now since you’re using it as a server not just haos

[glacial oracle]

for storage the 960 ssd option could be interesting

capacity wise this sounds like enterprise stuff

[cold moon]

I wouldn’t buy their ssd upgrade

It’s probably mid tier at best

Wait for a Samsung evo sale and buy one of those

[agile olive]

what it comes with:

OR

the base, without upgrades

I can make the upgrades myself, of course

[cold moon]

I’m not googling those model numbers lol

[agile olive]

of course not

[glacial oracle]

sata 2?

[agile olive]

I'm not expecting that

[glacial oracle]

above that seems like a wd black with a micron ssd

the second is just a consumer grade kingston A400

[cold moon]

They’re gonna be mid tier TLC ssds in all of these most likely

[glacial oracle]

either pick may be alright

[cold moon]

I’d go the top one cuz it’s m.2

[glacial oracle]

in terms of upgrades, the second option has most definetly another free slot

tho the first one probably also does

[cold moon]

Identical mobo and cpu and ram I thought

[agile olive]

yes everything is the same

it comes with WiFi 400MBPS-5G...

[glacial oracle]

i mean its not meant to be a server

[agile olive]

it's not? why?

[cold moon]

You can replace that with a coral or 2.5GbE m.2 E key

Assuming that’s same mobo as m910q

[agile olive]

I don't need wifi, I will connect it by cable

[cold moon]

Right, you remove the m.2 Wi-Fi card

[glacial oracle]

its not because its a thinkcentre

[cold moon]

Still prob using e key for it tho

Super common

[glacial oracle]

you saw those m2 to pcie connectors :^) madness

[cold moon]

Yea

I have a m.2 to 2.5GbE to put in my m910q

Just haven’t taken it apart yet

[glacial oracle]

wtf

[cold moon]

Comes with a cute lil cable

[glacial oracle]

do those even work with proper chipsets

[cold moon]

Yes

@tacit burrow has it setup in his

Pretty common on Reddit etc

[glacial oracle]

wouldnt have expected that

[agile olive]

it's in portuguese/english but it's self explanatory:

https://www.olx.pt/d/anuncio/mini-p-lenovo-m700-tiny-6g-i5-6400t-m-2-hdd-16g-hdmi-wf5g-w10-w11-IDHmOJc.html?isPreviewActive=0&reason=seller_listing|olx_shop_basic%3FisPreviewActive%3D1&sliderIndex=1

[cold moon]

I think it’s just some realtek chipset

[agile olive]

https://www.olx.pt/d/anuncio/mini-p-lenovo-m700-tiny-6g-i5-6400t-ssd480g-16g-wf5g-hdmi-w10-w11-IDHcVCx.html?isPreviewActive=0&reason=seller_listing|olx_shop_basic%3FisPreviewActive%3D1&sliderIndex=4

[glacial oracle]

"yuck" realtek

170€ 💰

[agile olive]

as I said, they are similar, the big change is the storage

[agile olive]

it's expensive?

I had a 9500 for 190....

[cold moon]

I still think you could find much better with a used laptop dude

[glacial oracle]

its 8 year old hardware which has ben eol since 22

its a lot of money in that regard

[agile olive]

I can't find a better deal

laptop is not an option

I mean, I can't find a better option where I am

[glacial oracle]

from my pov you can get a 5600H as barebone for 230

but then this probably will lead to be a ~300 buck purchase with storage and memory

[cold moon]

Sure it is you’re just choosing not to. You said yourself it’s going in a closet

[glacial oracle]

he isnt entirely wrong tho, a laptop is a rather silly choice

[cold moon]

It’s not

Laptops with broken screens or keyboard are dirt cheap for much newer gen intel’s

[agile olive]

it doesn't fit where I will put it

[glacial oracle]

like you need to stip out everything, get it a new case and then end up with not even decent performance if you buy not recent hardware

[zealous dune]

or buy a new N100 for 150eur

[cold moon]

You don’t need to strip out anything

[glacial oracle]

you totally should do that

no need to charge a battery or power a screen

indeed, N100 based systems can be picked up for around 150

[zealous dune]

units with ddr5 for around 170eur

[agile olive]

buy what?

[glacial oracle]

a minipc with an n100 cpu

[zealous dune]

an N100, a 12th gen intel processor that didn't come out a decade ago

[glacial oracle]

beelink, trigkey and others make those

[cold moon]

No igpu sucks for some things tho

[glacial oracle]

it has an igpu

you can even use its encoders in plex

[zealous dune]

it decodes everything

[cold moon]

It can’t be used for frigate’s hardware offloading at least. Good to know with Plex

[zealous dune]

with proper kernel

[glacial oracle]

11th and 10th? gen seem to have some issues from my reading

[agile olive]

N100 for 150€? where?!?! 😄

[glacial oracle]

amazon™️ (yuck)

[zealous dune]

https://www.geekbuying.com/searchword/n100/

[cold moon]

Is that another banggood alie type site?

[zealous dune]

banggood and aliexpress are not the same type so pick one

[cold moon]

Lol

They aren’t both direct from china?

[zealous dune]

ah that murican view

no they're not

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-logo-gif-26417814

[drifting ember]

ali ships everything from all over

[glacial oracle]

unscreeee

[agile olive]

T-bao???? I want it to be working in 6 months

[zealous dune]

and you'll trust a refurbished 6 year old unit... ok then

[agile olive]

that's a good point yes

well, everyone here suggest the lenovo's

or similar

[glacial oracle]

well lenovo usually works and you can easily get spare parts

[zealous dune]

thats muricans that can buy one for 70$, in EU they're overpriced old crap. ultimately its your choice

[lusty arrow]

hi do you think this kind of setup, with a truenas scale on it could be used with an usd zigbee dongle for HA ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCvEGnbEZkk (in french)

(starting home domotic, no other hardware than a linux laptop currently, and hue bridge)

[cold moon]

Well on eBay I’m not seeing as many for $80 or so right now.. at least not from big resellers. Just one off from people

[glacial oracle]

i got one of these recently which works rather nicely after tweaking the fan speed
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Beelink-Intel-Processor-N100-Computer/dp/B0BVB7JRJB
but i suppose any other rebadge would work similarly
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/TRIGKEY-Intel-Alder-Computer-500GB/dp/B0C4GF81M9/

[cold moon]

If a hypervisor or OS supports usb passthru then any zigbee or other dongle will work

[glacial oracle]

there are surely some listings with more random numbers around 160 bucks

[lusty arrow]

yes seems possible with truenas scale, it can create a vm, attach an usb port
(after i really don't know which usb dongle to use, i have one hour with my docker test HA first install)

[agile olive]

I forgot about fans. These lenovo's have fans right?! That's a no-go

if they're noisy

[cold moon]

You don’t have to buy a usb coordinator you can buy PoE

[glacial oracle]

it probably wont be nosiy as its not a server but a desktop system

[cold moon]

I don’t think I can even hear mine on the desk

[glacial oracle]

unless you hit it a lot

[lusty arrow]

i'm looking for documentations about this, i stop when i was recommanded yellow box. *But as i'll need a new NAS one day, more expensive to have both hardware

[cold moon]

In a closet you definitely won’t hear it

[cold moon]

Yellow is overpriced and underpowered

[lusty arrow]

PoE ?

[cold moon]

Buy a mini pc like we’re talking about above or build a multi purpose NAS like you are doing

[cold moon]

Bruh

[lusty arrow]

ok, if i buy an usb, i could use it on my temporary laptop ? (if i found how to bind it to docker instance)

[agile olive]

is this a good option?

https://www.amazon.es/-/pt/dp/B0B7WCTXMT/ref=nav_youraccount_switchacct?keywords=beelink%2Bn100&refinements=p_72%3A831280031%2Cp_36%3A-18000&rnid=9733333031&sr=8-1&th=1

I can get it for 144€

[lusty arrow]

--> ok ? https://smarthomescene.com/blog/best-zigbee-dongles-for-home-assistant-2023/

[zealous dune]

that list is a bit wonky

[glacial oracle]

yea seems good

[cold moon]

No I’m seeing wrong info there

[zealous dune]

yup, thats a really good price for Beelinks

[cold moon]

Like suggesting skyconnect for z2m

Not gud

[lusty arrow]

wow beelink seems powerfull and less expensive, right !

[winged knoll]

And suggesting Sonoff's P stick ...

[agile olive]

will do the same as those lenovo mini? I mean, put promox and have HA, Plex, TrueNAS, etc

[cold moon]

My p stick treated me well

[lusty arrow]

amazon BE has better price if europe

[zealous dune]

no, it will do better

[agile olive]

I mean, any restriction that I'm not aware?

[lusty arrow]

ha it's my final goal too... i awake my suno 213p, but too old 😄

[agile olive]

like a surprise 😄

[glacial oracle]

well there are some restrictions

[zealous dune]

you can't put a 3.5 inch drive in it...

[glacial oracle]

it only has 1 memory slot and one additional 2.5" slot which may not fit large capacity hdds

[lusty arrow]

then what are the common "best" choices ?

[zealous dune]

N100 is single channel memory anyway

[glacial oracle]

on ddr5 it does up to 32 gigs

[cold moon]

Lenovos don’t have room for 3.5 anyways

[zealous dune]

so don't plan on building a homelab with it

[cold moon]

But Lenovos can be expanded a bit like with the m.2 to 2.5GbE

[glacial oracle]

its a very round chouce for the price

[cold moon]

But old cpu

[glacial oracle]

just make sure to tweak the fan curves when you get it

[cold moon]

I personally had good luck with sonoff p dongle. I now use a PoE tube coordinator and don’t use usb just over my network: https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/

[zealous dune]

btw my n100 idles at 8W with 20 addons running

[cold moon]

Nice

[lusty arrow]

(ok poe = power over ethernet ! to avoir double wire)

[cold moon]

Yea but you need a PoE switch or injector

If you’re building out a homelab and network at home then PoE switch will be something you’ll buy already

[agile olive]

144€    Beelink MINI-S12 Pro Mini PC, Intel Alder Lake-N100 (3,40 GHz), 16 GB de RAM 500 GB SSD, double HDMI/WiFi 6/BT5.2
96€     Beelink MINI N5095 (4C/4T até 2,9 GHz), 8G RAM 128G SSD, 4K@60Hz HDMI dupla, USB3.0 Gigabit Ethernet, Wi-Fi5 BT4.0
104€    Beelink Business Mini PC N5095 (4C/4T up to 2,9 GHz), 8G RAM 256G SSD, 4K@60Hz HDMI duplo, Gigabit Ethernet, USB3.0, Wi-Fi5 BT4.0
112€    Beelink MINI-S12 Mini PC, Intel Alder Lake-N95 (até 3,40 GHz) Wi-11 Pro Mini computador, 8 GB RAM 256 GB SSD
141€    Beelink MINI-S12 Mini PC, Intel Alder Lake-N95 (até 3,40 GHz) Wi-11 Pro Mini computador, 16 GB RAM 500 GB SSD

[glacial oracle]

the N100 is worth the difference

[lusty arrow]

i'm looking installation example with that kind of hardware.

[cold moon]

For proxmox or haos?

https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/06/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide.html this is popular

[glacial oracle]

but please dont use the script

its not a smart idea to run random scripts off the internet to install stuff

[cold moon]

At this point he’s pretty well vetted

Tteck

[agile olive]

https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/04/hands-on-beelink-mini-pcs-for-proxmox-home-assistant-and-plex.html

[glacial oracle]

its generally a poor thing to advise doing

luckily its easy to check what its doing

[glacial oracle]

for running plex you dont need the passthrough which may give you a significant performance hit if you run it inside an lxc instead

[tacit burrow]

Remind me in a couple hours I’ll tell you which m.2 2.5gbe I got

[tacit burrow]

Hundreds of people have used tteck scripts, and a bunch of us review them pretty carefully

[tacit burrow]

I can barely hear it. Mine is actually on a shelf in my toilet. Even middle of the night sssshhhh

[zealous dune]

that's an... interesting... place

[agile olive]

This Beelink seems a good option

and it's new

[cold moon]

We don’t question the Australians they’ve got enough to deal with 🦘

[terse pebble]

A nice secondary use of the PC fans 💩

[lusty arrow]

it's for my current linux laptop, and later the new homemade NAS with truenas.

i try to see how the poe device can be plugged. On internet box directly (not other switch now) ? need an an adapter ?

[cold moon]

Probably best to use a usb coordinator if you’re asking these questions

[lusty arrow]

never had to use this 🙂

[cold moon]

"internet box" do you mean a router with some ports out of the back that also gives you wifi?

[lusty arrow]

yes,

[cold moon]

that will not have PoE ports. a PoE switch will have PoE switchports

[lusty arrow]

provider internet box at home

[cold moon]

otherwise you will have to use a PoE injector

[lusty arrow]

ok that's what i found.
does it worth really the cost ? vs usb coordinator ?

[cold moon]

it depends on your use case

[tacit burrow]

Only place where I could put it. No built-ins and very tall ceilings

[lusty arrow]

especially when planning to have a NAS 100% up in the future ?

[cold moon]

is your device you will run home assistant on be centrally located in your house?

if so, then you dont really need an ethernet based coordinator

[agile olive]

i hate when there are a lot of options 😄

i'm so confused now

[drifting ember]

it's in the restroom so he can flush it quickly if an inspector comes

[cold moon]

oi mate

[drifting ember]

have you met women?

[lusty arrow]

no, all computer related things are in the office room (Pc, NAS, box, ...)
i had to put 2 wifi relay for internet in house.
And zigbee i have "only" 50% of lights and one movement detector currently, all philips hue.
Getting plugs from Nous z1a soon (just trying to find if they are compatible to hue bridge before having another real solution)

[drifting ember]

I run a split zigbee/wifi setup, I have 0% zigbee, 100% wifi

[cold moon]

?

so it is not centrally located?

[lusty arrow]

no, it's on a side of house

[cold moon]

then if you run ethernet to a centrally located spot, maybe in a closet or something, a PoE or ethernet based coordinator would be beneficial

also you probably bought some bullshit wifi mesh stuff for wifi and have a pretty not great network

[lusty arrow]

but zigbee is like a mesh network ? not enough ?

[cold moon]

wired devices (like hue bulbs) can be added to zha or zigbee2mqtt and extend the mesh yes

but ideally, the less hops the better

[drifting ember]

only mains powered devices

[cold moon]

most of us get rid of the hue bridge and pair hue devices directly to home assistant with zha or z2m

then add all other zigbee stuff to the mesh

[lusty arrow]

currently my mouvement detector is at the other side of house, and have lights on the 2nd floor too, all ok on hue bridge

[drifting ember]

those of us that can't afford hue use other stuff

lol

[cold moon]

only their rgbw stuff is overpriced

the rest isnt bad

[drifting ember]

my sonoffs I think were 4 for $70

the switches

and I got the sonoff basics for like ~$4 each

[cold moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/743144302334443622/1007083298767507507/unknown.png this is my zigbee mesh

pretty much all the blue names are hue bulbs

[drifting ember]

I've come to the conclusion you all live in mansions

I don't even have that many lights total

[cold moon]

well 11 bulbs are in the kitchen..

[drifting ember]

yeah I have 2 bulbs in the kitchen fixture...

[cold moon]

7 cans, 3 candellabra (chandelier), 1 bulb

[lusty arrow]

wow, i have only 2 floors (maybe worng with 2nd floor, scuse 🙂 not english). i have only 10 lights bulb still there, growing slowly, expensive

[cold moon]

hue bridge cannot handle this many bulbs

my lights started taking multi seconds to respond

[lusty arrow]

hue bridge can handle 50 devices

[cold moon]

moved to zigbee2mqtt and they are lightning fast

[cold moon]

that's waht they say. mine failed at 40 or so

[drifting ember]

I thought it was 64

or am I remembering wrong

[lusty arrow]

ha ok, 11 devices, i have the time then 🙂

[cold moon]

nah

best to move off it early

you have to re-join every device

and when you move the hue bulbs to zha or z2m you then can use the zigbee mesh for any zigbee device

it's very much the best solution

[agile olive]

This link has a detail - https://www.amazon.es/-/pt/dp/B0B7WCTXMT/ref=nav_youraccount_switchacct?keywords=beelink%2Bn100&refinements=p_72%3A831280031%2Cp_36%3A-18000&rnid=9733333031&sr=8-1&th=1 - it's 8Gb, not 16Gb

[drifting ember]

"The Hue Bridge – with an advertised 50 bulb limit – actually has a hard limit of 63 lights (and 62 accessories), however you may start having performance issues above 40-45 lights and above 12 accessories"

[cold moon]

otherwise you have to buy overpriced "friends of hue" crap

[drifting ember]

I knew I wasn't going out of my mind

[cold moon]

https://www.philips-hue.com/en-us/p/hue-bridge/046677458478#specifications says 50 on their site

[drifting ember]

Abraham Lincoln also said don't trust everything you read on the internet

[lusty arrow]

Cerveau du système d'éclairage connecté Philips Hue, le Hue Bridge vous permet de connecter et de contrôler jusqu'à 50 lampes et accessoires

[drifting ember]

https://www.smarthomepoint.com/hue-bridge-50-bulb-limit/ this is where I got the info from

but there are other places that document it like that as well

[cold moon]

i've never even heard of that youtuber lol

[drifting ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hue/comments/pdeixv/hue_hub_accessory_only_limit/

[cold moon]

either way doesnt matter, ditch that bitch

[tacit burrow]

I know I was going to tell someone... something... about 2.5gbe m.2: was that here?

root@pve1:~# lspci | grep 2.5
01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8125 2.5GbE Controller (rev 05)

This was https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/195459464287

But TBH it's plugged into a 1gbe device (my WAN interface) so the speed doesn't matter.

It's just better than usb-eth

[cold moon]

it was @glacial oracle

[glacial oracle]

yes thank ya for the details!

[tacit burrow]

Works fine with lenovo thinkcentre m910q and proxmox fwiw

[dim idol]

I've noticed there's a version of haos named 'green' in the list of downloads, anyone know what hardware it runs on?

[cold moon]

no one knows yet

hopefully it's not an SBC

[dim idol]

OK thanks

[cursive lodge]

anybody has an everything presence one sensor? I want to disable bluetooth world broadcasting

[trail rampart]

Hey guys, I have two cieling fans with lights that I'm hoping I can convert to zigbee (separate control for FAN + Lights). I found some options but I wanted to check here if there is a known "good" or recommended hardware option for my goals. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-Universal-Wink-Enabled-White-Ceiling-Fan-Premier-Remote-Control-99432/206591100

[hushed panther]

trying to flash an esp32 (esp-c3-12f) bare chip for the first time with one of these adapters https://templates.blakadder.com/assets/device_images/esp_test_board.webp I can't get it into the right boot mode. I've been pressing RST and PROG together and releasing RST first but won't do the trick. Anything that I am missing?

[zealous dune]

You can use a jumper wire to ground the required pins

[lucid snow]

Hi there, can anyone tell me if I could get a BEGA 71021 Relais with zigbee to work in Homeassistant

I am pretty new to it

[zealous dune]

yes

it's an ubisys s1 in disguise according to the manual

[lucid snow]

Wow man you are hardcore fast

Thank you very much!

[zealous dune]

i used google...

[lucid snow]

haha sure that but I wouldn't have known if a ubisys s1 works lol

it's not listed in supported hardware on Homeassistant website

[zealous dune]

homeassistant website doesn't list supported zigbee devices

mainly because it depends on the chosen integration

[lucid snow]

Do you know a source where supported devices are listed?

ah lol

[zealous dune]

i try to keep one https://zigbee.blakadder.com/

[lucid snow]

your website

yeah found it 🙂

Thanks

[sleek blade]

hey guys. i want to install a water leak sensors in my bathroom. i have no other smart equipments of same sort (so i have no hubs or nothing), i just have a server running home assistant for simple lights control and smart tv/smart speakers.

what are my first steps? which sensors/brands are reliable? and also what hubs (if any) do i need to buy too.

please help me. thanks.

[winged knoll]

Zigbee is generally a good choice - but you'll also need to buy Zigbee router devices, such as smart plugs (or dedicated router devices)

Aqara and Linkind do some good leak sensors

[trail rampart]

Any tips for converting a dumb cieling fan to a smart fan?

[drifting ember]

https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switches/ifan04-l/

one option

[trail rampart]

so is that universal? just need to re-wire the existing fan?

[drifting ember]

they are fairly universal yes

unless your fan draws more power than it can handle, then I'd say no

[trail rampart]

does sonoff play nice with HA? I have a ZigBee ecosystem if that helps

or, what if I swapped the actual light switch for a zigbee light switch? Would that work?

I assume it would have to be a special one actually, since you wouldn't want to "Dim" a fan

[drifting ember]

sonoff works well with HA, I have about 17 sonoffs

but if you have zigbee maybe a zigbee controller would be better for you

[trail rampart]

I feel like a zigbee on/off switch would be easier to install than a zigbee fan controller, not to mention I'm not really finding a solid one to use other than some hampton bay one that's been discontinued for years

[trail rampart]

meh, I think i give up lol. Seems like it's going to be more of a headache than it's worth. The primary goal is to have the "light" portion of my fans be smart bulbs, but I don't want to leave the fans on 24/7 to accomplish that

[drifting ember]

most fans have a separate wire for the light, why not just wire the lights to be "on" all the time if they are smart bulbs

[trail rampart]

wouldn't they still shut off when the wall switch is shut off? I thought the power to the fan was being killed at the switch

[drifting ember]

it might be wired that way now, but I'm saying usually you can just wire the light to power and the fan to the switch

some people wire the light to a second switch even

[trail rampart]

I mean, that sounds like exactly what I want, but I'll be honest I don't even know where I would begin to do that. Right now the light is activated by a pull chain. Would I be re-wiring something at the light switch?

[kind wind]

Hey all. building a house and met with my electrician who threw me a curve ball with respect smart light switches. He pointed out that we would need a few 4-way switches. My question to you all is this: For a light that is controlled by two or three different switches, do all the switches have to be smart or can I just control the light from a switch that is smart even though the three way (or 4 way ) switch is not smart.

[tawny viper]

it depends on the smart switch brand @kind wind

Inovelli for example, can do a "dumb" or an "aux" or can do binding directly

Aux switches a https://inovelli.com/products/white-series-add-on-aux-switch

GE/Others have those.

If you are gooing Zooz, read carefully, some can use "dumb" switches, and some can't.

so yes, 4 ways are possible with one smart, depending on the switch you buy. Zooz and Lutron have very good "remotes" https://www.amazon.com/Lutron-3-Button-Wireless-Lighting-PJ2-3BRL-WH-L01R/dp/B00KLAXFQ0/ref=asc_df_B00KLAXFQ0/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=193989831776&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=17813550855191779759&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9003244&hvtargid=pla-315839228861&psc=1

I was living in my house for 7 years before i realized one of my 3 ways just a remote. I had no idea. thought it was wired

[tawny viper]

any suggestions on my comprehensive indoor air quality ?

[warm helm]

I have several two-way light switches in my house. I'd like for the existing toggle switches to continue to work, but to also be able to control the light from HA. I've been looking at Sonoff ZBMINI. However while the existing switches each have 3 wires (not counting ground) coming into them, the ZBMINI has 6 terminals. Seems like this would require fishing more wires, which I am strongly against. Am I missing something?

[short trout]

Hello guys, I'm looking for opinions on J4115 with 6gb for HA (as a cheap option) ?

[ember ingot]

this is an amazing resource. Thanks for making and sharing

[kind wind]

Thanks. Very helpful. Would this be a similar switch to the one you reference above? https://www.amazon.com/GE-Enbrighten-SimpleWire-SmartThings-46199/dp/B07RQ8K25S/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3B2SIVMWAF9S3&keywords=enbrighten+smart+dimmer+zigbee&qid=1693516219&sprefix=enbrighten+smart+dimmer+zigbee%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-4

[cold moon]

most people actively avoid anything ge/jasco/enbrighten due to poor build quality, firmware issues, and past experience

you can also let them run traveler wires to each location and just not use them and instead use smart switches at every location along with smart bulbs and have the smart switches in smart bulb mode. That way you can always go back to dumb ones in the future, but you also have the same switches everywhere

which also gives you multi tap, hold, etc along with an led on the switch (if it has one) to automate with - such as for showing whether alarm is armed etc

[kind wind]

Thanks for the reply. I only started looking at enbrighten because of someone here (at least I thought) recommended them and also there dont' seem to be a lot of others that are in stock or use zigbee. I'm not against using z-wave. I'll probably favor a mix of both. But this has not been easy. 🙃 Can you recommend other switches? Thanks again.

[cold moon]

if you want zigbee buy the overpriced inovelli blues, if you want zwave buy zooz

i own almost entirely zooz cuz they're half the price

[kind wind]

60 bucks per switch is a little out of my budget.

[cold moon]

however a couple people have said they like the "long" led bar that inovelli blues have over the zooz with the little rectangle led

[kind wind]

wait, they are out of stock on zigbee.

[cold moon]

inovelli blue are often backordered yeah

they used to be $50 each tho

[kind wind]

lol. as if that wasn't enough...

[cold moon]

https://inovelli.com/products/zigbee-matter-blue-series-smart-2-1-on-off-dimmer-switch shows $50 here

[drifting ember]

it was more a suggestion than a recommendation 😄

[cold moon]

https://inovelli.com/products/zigbee-matter-blue-series-mmwave-presence-sensor-smart-switch these will be neat but i think they're like 4 months out and even then they'll be beta

[kind wind]

no worries. everyone here is helping me. I'm the chief designer of a smart home and i've never done it before nor have I ever lived in one. 🙃

[cold moon]

damn

you've got a lot to learn then

last time we spoke was 8 months ago

you're moving pretty slowly lol

[kind wind]

i've learned a lot. (well, the house build has moved slowly. Don't blame me!!! 😎 )

[cold moon]

i blame all the things

[drifting ember]

we only know you so ....

by default you get it

😛

[cold moon]

https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-700-series-z-wave-plus-s2-on-off-wall-switch-zen76 $23.45 and support smart bulb mode

you can also do what i said above and pair with smart bulbs (zwave or zigbee or whatever) and have the smart switches in smart bulb mode where the relay doesnt kill power to bulb

and then have home assistant control them

like specifically for 3way/4way/whatever

[kind wind]

so a smart switch with a smart light with the combo serving to extend the range. is that correct?

[cold moon]

no

if it's in smart bulb mode you dont need any travelers connected cuz home assistant is gonna be controlling them

it's a way to get around not having travelers there or wanting the same smart switches at every location

[kind wind]

gotcha. thanks.

[cold moon]

every zwave powered device is a repeater/router for the mesh so you'll be covered as far as "mesh" goes

the benefit, in my eyes, is mostly that you can use smart switches to do more than just a simple on/off

i.e. in every room of the house my zen76 single tap to 100% lights and double tap to 30% all lights in the room

[kind wind]

yeah. I may have mentioned I'm concerned about getting a signal out in my workshop which is detached. Any wifi inside the house is gonna have to penetrate brick walls twice to get to the shop.

[cold moon]

if i was using a three way setup with dumb switches attached to the other side of a smart switch, i wouldnt have that functionality

[kind wind]

any recommendations for a smart switch for a dumb fan?

[drifting ember]

zigbee is slightly better at getting thru walls than wifi

[kind wind]

sorry. when I said wifi I should have said zigbee or z-wave.

[drifting ember]

also mains powered devices will act as repeaters

[cold moon]

depends on the fan

and are you just talking about on/off not fan speed control?

[drifting ember]

so every switch and bulb will extend your mesh

[cold moon]

zooz zen71 or zen30 will do 3amps or less with a fan load

it's in the image i linked above^

[kind wind]

right. I just don't have any experience with how good that will be when going through brick walls.

[kind wind]

From what I read, it seemed like if you wanted to have a home assistant controllable fan, you needed to buy one that does not have a remote control installed. My take from the reading was that it should just be a simple (dumb) fan with a dimmable, smart, light switch.

[cold moon]

nah there's lots of options

you absolutely can use fans with fan speed control

[drifting ember]

or you could buy a haiku and be done with it

[cold moon]

https://www.leviton.com/en/products/zw4sf-1bz these were linked to me in the past. i have no personal experience with fans with speed control

all mine are ceiling fan / light combos at the house here 😦

[drifting ember]

https://bigassfans.com/haiku/

[cold moon]

so a $1600 fan?

[cold moon]

https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switches/ifan04-l/ there's also this thing which is getting more popular

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/10upsmz/great_local_fan_control_sonoff_ifan04/ flashed to esphome open source firmware of course

[kind wind]

that looks interesting.

[drifting ember]

they were on sale for $400ish last week on amazon

[cold moon]

what a steal

[drifting ember]

I did suggest this earlier as well

[cold moon]

ye

[kind wind]

lol. I'm trying to not overspend. dumb fans were kinda where I was gonna save.

[cold moon]

well get wiring to another switch in the gang box

that way if you decide not to cheap out later the romex is there

but frankly i'd just buy the right shit the first time

like separate wiring for fan + light combo if you're buying those for bedrooms

[kind wind]

definitely gonna have separate switches for fan/light. What I should have said was that I didnt' see a lot of 'smart fans' that gave me a warm and fuzzy that they would work with HA. So, my approach was to use a dumb fan with a smart switch.

[cold moon]

i think by definition all fans are dumb- speed controllable fan vs not

[kind wind]

my only example of a 'smart home' was we had some exterior lights in last house that came with an app. it was crap. it was easier to walk downstairs if necessary to flip a switch that to figure out why the app wasn't connected to the lights.

[cold moon]

Ya dude hass is the way to go

Mine would be a lot smarter if I had an unlimited budget

[drifting ember]

mine would be a lot smarter if I had your budget

[cold moon]

All my shit I slowly accumulated and it’s honestly not a lot of $ worth of stuff

Maybe $2000 split between 4 years

[drifting ember]

I have about $300 worth split over 4 years

[cold moon]

For my hue bulbs I bought one each time I went to Home Depot

Mostly..

[drifting ember]

well we also don't have Home Depot

[cold moon]

Probably for the best

[drifting ember]

no, we just have stores that sell home depot products for way more

[cold moon]

home depot isnt known for being reasonably priced just a lot of locations

[drifting ember]

it's reasonably priced to us LOL

a $55 fence panel costs about $600 to get here

[tawny viper]

inovelli blue fan switch is coming soon

[trail rampart]

is this in response to me?

[tawny viper]

was it about fans?

yes

[cold moon]

@trail rampart ecobee is the shit

the lite model is fine unless you want alexa on the device or a bigger screen

[trail rampart]

I saw that switch, it definitely caught my eye. So I would replace the light switch and not have to touch anything on the fan itself?

[cold moon]

https://www.ecobee.com/en-us/smart-thermostats/#compare-models there's a comparison chart tho

ah they have a sale. i'd prob buy the middle model then

[trail rampart]

$170 aint bad

[cold moon]

altho the newest model with built in AQI is nice

and it comes with one of their sensors, but i wouldnt buy extra

i stupidly bought 4 of them before i got way into hass

waste of money for what they are

they do "motion" with a 30minute retrigger interval so basically useless at that. and then they do temp but not humidity

compared to any damn zigbee/wifi/bt/zwave/whatever sensor you want with hass

[trail rampart]

so I have occupancy detection pretty nailed down right now. I only need the temp part, but I want to be able to automate it

[cold moon]

if you're automating with hass there is zero reason to buy the ecobee sensors

[trail rampart]

so, if HA detects occupancy in room 1, set ecobee to cool room to 75

[cold moon]

the ecobee sensors are for people who dont have any smart shit

[trail rampart]

can it do that

[cold moon]

and want ecobee to be able to see temps in rooms

ecobee with their sensors just averages the temps throughout the house and then applies that average to whatever your current settings are

[trail rampart]

oh gross

[cold moon]

like cool to 72 is cooling the average of the house to 72

it's stupid

[trail rampart]

that's not what I want either lol

[cold moon]

well

then automate with hass

not ecobee and their sensors

like hass controls ecobee

pretty straightforward

[trail rampart]

how would I automate that though, maybe I'm missing something

[cold moon]

with hass automations

[drifting ember]

you're a hass automation

[trail rampart]

right, but how can it cool room 1 to 75 if it doesn't know what temp room 1 is?

[tawny viper]

lol

[cold moon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/ecobee/

[cold moon]

hass already knows that

why does the ecobee need to know what temp the room is if you're using hass to tell the ecobee what to do?

it doesnt

[drifting ember]

because need temp sensor

[trail rampart]

so you are saying HASS just turns the systems to "cool" and leaves it there until a third party sensor detects the temp as "75"

so the thermostat isn't really a thermostat anymore

[cold moon]

bruh

you're thinking about this too much

[trail rampart]

lol, probably, I tend to do that

[cold moon]

you have a smart thermostat that you are then controlling with home assistant

if you have temp sensors in home assistant, and you are using home assistant to set ecobee to turn on or off based on room temps, nothing else is required

all ecobee temp sensors are doing for me is giving me temps in rooms that i then automate with hass

[trail rampart]

right I think that's what I was saying, so the EcoBee HASS integration can statically turn on "cool" though? Like, my Nest integration right now it sets the temp on the nest, not just a simple on/off

[cold moon]

yes

of course

but really youd set it to cool at a certain temp not just cool

cuz why wouldnt you

oh i see what you mean

you dont want ecobee to turn off cuz it's reached its default temps?

[trail rampart]

right, my office is 79 right now, but my thermostat reads 75 lol. huge delta

[cold moon]

ya

you'd just set the defaults way below or above what you'd actually use

[tawny viper]

or a tempature sensor

lol

[cold moon]

what

[trail rampart]

yea, I could do that with the nest too, so I wouldn't be gaining anything by switching at that rate

[cold moon]

well

you'd be not using google (evil) stuff

that's something

and ecobee allows for fully local control if you pair it via homekit protocol over wifi to home assistant

instead of using the cloud integration

[trail rampart]

what's dumb is that the nest itself is capable of setting a "sensor" for cooling in the app. So right now I manually control it. If I'm in the office I say "make the office 79" but if I'm in the living room i change it accordingly. And stupidly evil google doesn't allow you to automate that outside of a very dumb static schedule (morning, afternoon, evening, night)

[cold moon]

i dont see why you cant automate with home assistant instead of nest

[trail rampart]

that part sounds pretty nice, plus the AQI stuff too

[tawny viper]

yes they do

[cold moon]

idk if the aqi sensor is exposed to homekit i've never used it

[tawny viper]

they sell a temp sensor

[cold moon]

requiring a specific sensor from a specific brand is a hard no

[trail rampart]

yea I know, I have 3 of them

[tawny viper]

i know because I have one,

yea

lol

[trail rampart]

you can't automate with them, that's how this whole convo started lol

[tawny viper]

sorry, got it

hmmm

actually, i think i can

[trail rampart]

not with HA, not even with google home scripting

[tawny viper]

you sure?

[trail rampart]

if there is a way, I have failed the find it yet

[tawny viper]

I dont use the HA intergration

you try homebridge ?

see what shows up coming from homekit into HA

i can check my temp sensor now for you,

[trail rampart]

best I can tell, the HA integration allows you to "read" the temps, but there is no API to change which the thermostat uses it because google

[drifting ember]

sensibo can be flashed with ESPhome, just saying

[cold moon]

?!

[tawny viper]

@trail rampart I bet you could do it

[cold moon]

why would a home assistant user use homebridge?

you use homekit integration

[tawny viper]

my google situation remember?

[cold moon]

not homebridge

[tawny viper]

I cant use the SDM yet....

[cold moon]

guess i forgot it's not ringing a bell

[tawny viper]

I have homebridge, feeding Nest into HA via homekit

I'm "special" with nest and getting things

[trail rampart]

The premium ecobee can "stream music" really? That's a big huh from me...

[cold moon]

ya idk

i have the older lite model

it does everything i need it to

[tawny viper]

@trail rampart so what am I missing?

[cold moon]

some companies go full retard adding shit

[trail rampart]

that looks like it's setting the temp on the thermostat right?

[tawny viper]

the trigger is my temp sensor, i dont actually use it

then yea, I can do whatever I want

[trail rampart]

right by that's setting the temp, on your thermostat

[tawny viper]

based upon my temp sensor?

[trail rampart]

so your trigger is from a temp sensor (fine), but you are setting the temp on your thermostat. So lets say downstairs is 70, and upstairs is 79. You set the trigger that if upstairs goes over 78, set downstairs to " ".

you would have to work out what to set it to I guess, which is the part that is a little janky, but possible

[tawny viper]

well your setting a target temp

to cool or eat?

heat

[trail rampart]

right but the target is met by the thermostat not the sensor

[cold moon]

you do that with home assistant

[tawny viper]

yea...

[cold moon]

you can group sensors and average them or whatever

or set a target temp of your room to 73 before it turns off the nest

[tawny viper]

yea, have it set it to like 20 degrees or 120

[cold moon]

it kinda sounds like what you really need is an hvac company to fix your shit

[tawny viper]

lol

[trail rampart]

lol

[cold moon]

do a heat load on your house

or get a ductless mini split added by a handyman who knows what they are doing

[trail rampart]

I mean, the problem is the office has a sliding glass door, 2 computers, and is furthest from the HVAC. So it's a fuckin HOT room lol

[cold moon]

well

heat load brings all of that into account

and ductless mini split controlled via hass is probably your best and cheapest real solution

instead of nuking the rest of the house in cold air cuz one room is fucked

[trail rampart]

fair point

[cold moon]

alternatively you could have an hvac company come

it's possible the duct going to that office could be swapped for another same size duct at the plenum closer to the deadhead which would improve airflow

but mostly with HVAC it is actually an issue with removing hot air

not adding cold

which the mini split would solve

there isnt one magical answer except mini split for that room, which is what i would personally suggest without knowing more

[trail rampart]

I mean, I sort of answered it myself, I'm just doing what I want manually. Would I love it to be 75 in here? Sure. But that means the rest of my house is 72 and my power bill is awful. 79 means the rest of the house actually runs a little hotter than normal (77ish) until i want to move rooms later in the evening. then I manually switch to the thermostat (or bedroom sensor) and set it to 75

I kind of want to swap out the nest out of principal though lol. Thing is kind of a useless POS these days.

Maybe the "averaging" part will work a little better, worth a shot anyway

anyway, thanks for chatting with me on this nonsense for so long 🙂

[cold moon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/film-comics-marvel-RN6OnheJ9ZEm4

[rich venture]

you could also install a window ac unit

like one of those midea u shaped ones

[cold moon]

that's what a mini split is

[rich venture]

no, mini split is split
window ac units are all in one

and dont require install by hvac tech

[cold moon]

window ac units are a rectangle not u shaped

and require a window which we never determined he had

and mini splits can come precharged these days and dont require an hvac guy

[rich venture]

this is what U means

[trail rampart]

oh so the window goes inebtween?

[cold moon]

weirdest looking U i've ever seen

hahaha

[rich venture]

yes

[trail rampart]

(my window doesn't open that way, but I'm just curious. Never seen a window unit like that before)

[cold moon]

ya that is strange

[drifting ember]

I've also never seen a window unit like that

[rich venture]

first time i saw it was on 8 bit guy

[trail rampart]

I'm just gonna set this bitch to 75 at the thermostat and see what happens in the office and then adjust accordingly. And I might buy an ecobee shortly too if I get antsy enough

[drifting ember]

it's almost a mini split LOL

[rich venture]

thats the point

[drifting ember]

wouldn't work with my windows tho

[rich venture]

window units arent common outside america

[drifting ember]

you're joking right?

they are exceptionally common in the caribbean, latin america, and many other places

[rich venture]

i didnt mean usa, i ment general location of the american continent

[drifting ember]

they are plenty in use in India for example

and all over, just not europe mostly

[rich venture]

anywhere where the window slide open upwards

[drifting ember]

so not mostly america then

[tacit burrow]

I've finally ordered a split system for my house. It gets too lot, like 10 days a year, and my gas bill is crazy for heating my very old and non-insulated house.

[cold moon]

ductless right?

[tacit burrow]

Yeah, just a unit that mounts on/in the wall, and another unit on the outside that sits on the ground. WHatever that's called.

[cold moon]

heat pump

[tacit burrow]

yeah

To heat/cool the middle of my house (kitchen/dining).

[cold moon]

you spent thousands and dont even know what it's called?

lol

how many of them did you order?

[tacit burrow]

Just one. I/we spend barely any time in the house anyway.

There is tech I care about, and tech I don't. AC falls in the latter.

[cold moon]

it'll improve the WAF with hass too

[patent river]

Did you go for that Mitsi in the end?

[tacit burrow]

I got a mitsi heavy industries one. Was strongly recommended by my sparky. It's basically the same as the one I already have (in the bungalow - separate building).

Getting 7.1kW one

getting the wifi adapter too, just to see if I can d*ck with it via HA

[jagged crypt]

https://support.ecobee.com/s/articles/How-to-use-Temperature-Correction-on-your-ecobee-thermostat

[patent river]

Ah, the other Mitsubishi. Because why wouldn't they have two different divisions of their company competing with each other?

[cold moon]

that's not the same thing at all that's just an offset

[tacit burrow]

They're two completely separate companies. Forked way back.

I think mine is https://mhiaa.com.au/products/series/split-system-air-conditioners-bronte-series/

I guess https://mhiaa.com.au/products/model/split-system-air-conditioner-bronte-srk71zra-w-dxk24zra-w/

[jagged crypt]

i didn't read the rest of the discussion, it looked like there was an issue with temp differences

[cold moon]

nah he was just confused with how to automate things

[trail rampart]

yea that sounds like I could set the main sensor to always "think" it's 4 degrees higher, but that's not what I want :P. Thanks though

[jagged crypt]

I just had to adjust my new ecobee (new house) by 1.5f to sync with another sensor.

[cold moon]

my ecobee humidity reads over 10 degrees high

[jagged crypt]

I haven't validated humidity on the system, I'm just hitting week 2 in this new house. I happy to see the floor in some rooms vs the forest of boxes.... 🙂

previous owner put the thermostat right above an aircon vent for some reason

[tacit burrow]

my humidity is way high, like mould territory. need to get a dehumidifier some day

if you belive the tuya pos that is

55-65% today

[jagged crypt]

sonoff sensor outside has it 40% here, ecobee has it as 54% indoor, and my office about 50 feet down the hall has 40% humidity also... so maybe the ecobee is wrong....

[trail rampart]

what is the highest safe humidity for your house? I sit around 40ish

[tacit burrow]

Google says 30-60

depends on your location/climate I guess

[rich venture]

imo insulation is first investment you should make

[tacit burrow]

it's winter here, and cold as f*k

[tacit burrow]

My house has practically ZERO insulation. It's 130 years old, absoltely zero in the walls, and very old/tired stuff in the roof space, at least 40 years old I guess.

[jagged crypt]

outside temps

farenheit

[rich venture]

is the house made from bricks?

[patent river]

Mine's in Celsius. Lowest figure on that graph is 1.9°C (35°F).

[tacit burrow]

Mostly timber walls. The back extension is bricks.

I knocked out a in internal wall recently, and had an external wall open, there was nothing at all.
Maybe spray-in foam or filling?

[jagged crypt]

i just discovered i had mislabeled my moved sensors, was trying to figure out why my office sensor was showing close to 90f/32c, when it was very much NOT that warm. It's 77f/25c in my office.

[cold moon]

Easy to override. Put the humidity sensor next to it and wait for it to level out then fix offset in ecobee advanced settings

[rich venture]

i dont know how to insulate timber frame buildings, i only know how to insulate brick houses

[jagged crypt]

yeah, I did that with the temp, from the link i put up

[cold moon]

Rockwool / mineral wool is expensive but is pretty much the best

[jagged crypt]

tackling lights first here, then will figure out sensors again

had hue bulbs, trying out inwall zigbee switches for a couple rooms here

discovered I had no neutral in at least one room, got a pair of sonoff "no-neutral" mini's to try out

[rich venture]

there is also the mattter where to place it
if you place it in between the studs you have to rip all walls open and even then studs create thermal bridges

[cold moon]

Brand new house and no neutral?

[cold moon]

Studs still give R1 lol

[jagged crypt]

new to me, built in 1980, some electric redone in 2020-2021, obviously not 100%

[cold moon]

Bummer

[jagged crypt]

well it did come with a massive solar setup and a pair of tesla powerwalls 🙂

[rich venture]

yes but thats almost nothing

[cold moon]

I know lol

[tacit burrow]

hahah. I build massive solar, and 1 powerwall.

[cold moon]

Foam isn’t gonna change that tho

[jagged crypt]

48 400watt panels + 2x powerall+ units

[tacit burrow]

I'm a bit broke right now. Spent like $20k on the reno, plus a bunch of $ on garden. WIll have to slow-roll insulation. Maybe before next winter.

[cold moon]

So $150,000?

[tacit burrow]

My system is about the same size Panzer

[jagged crypt]

i think about 1/2 that

i didn't pay for it

[tacit burrow]

21.1kW

[cold moon]

Each power wall alone is almost 50k last time I looked

Plus the whole fuck Tesla part

[rich venture]

here insulation is put on the outside of the walls so no thermal bridges

[cold moon]

I see

[tacit burrow]

What? They're like $12k here, like US$6000

[cold moon]

I went to their site and filled out info before and it was over 50k

[tacit burrow]

For solar + battery + install?

[cold moon]

Maybe that included the panels I just wrote it off as impossible

[tacit burrow]

The battery alone is like us$6k. Install maybe 1-2k. Panels+inverter+install = depends how much.
Plus there are some of state or federal incentives and things (here at least)

@jagged crypt must be sunny where you are! Its bloody cold winter here. https://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=105339&sid=92331&v=0&t=m

[jagged crypt]

i think total w/ install was $70-75k usd

but lucky for me, previous owner bought it all back in march 2023

[tacit burrow]

I think my solar would have been like $25k, but with incentives and stuff, was like $15k.
The PW2 battery was $15.5k installed.

[jagged crypt]

lyricnz, yea, sunny here

though currently dealing with some smoke from fires up north

[tacit burrow]

Ignore the FIT$ on that website, I didn't enter my tariffs

I maxxed at 132.000kWh for one day last summer

[jagged crypt]

i'm seeing 100kwh/day for the past week roughly

106 was my peak so far

no clue what it'll be in the winter here

[patent river]

The MKBHD video where he goes through daily/monthly power generation (for a solar roof tile + battery system) over a full year is quite interesting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJeSWbR6W04

[jagged crypt]

yeah, I get something back for feeding the grid, but haven't had a chance to figure out much that'll be.

[tacit burrow]

My export tariffs are LAME compared to the import price

Power Import
Peak (3pm-9pm) $0.3652 per kWh
Off-Peak (other) $0.2002 per kWh

Power Export
Peak (4pm – 9pm) $0.106 per kWh
Sholder (9pm – 10am) & (2pm-4pm) $0.055 per kWh
Off-Peak (10am-2pm) $0.039 per kWh

[patent river]

Of course if you prefer your solar power content with a STRONG Aussie accent, there's a whole series of videos by Dave (EEVBlog) on various aspects (including things like drops due to shading by trees, and string vs micro-inverter, plus switching to heat pump hot water and a lot of related concepts)

[tacit burrow]

yeah, I've got some shading, and no micro-inverter or optimizer etc

[jagged crypt]

I'm watching Deadloch, I'm getting a strong Aussie/Tasmanian accent nightly already 🙂

Lyric, I'm expecting the same level of buyback

[tacit burrow]

I saw that, wife things it will be too stupid.

I still can't figure out why my pw2/system is importing power so often, it should be running on battery more often, but it still imports in the morning, when battery is >30%

https://imgur.com/kDPlxRm

ie: why did it import (site >0) between 0920 and 1000h, when battery was >30%?

[jagged crypt]

did you adjust the tesla setting?

[tacit burrow]

Adjust? Setting? It's in TOU, and tariffs are roughly right

[jagged crypt]

oh, on the app, I can change the backup reserve. Previous owner had it defaulting to 40%, I put it to 10%

which means drain to 10%

at least that's my understanding

tesla app -> settings -> powerwall - > backup reserve

https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/powerwall/mobile-app/powerwall-modes

[tacit burrow]

Yeah, I set mine to 10 or 15

10%

[jagged crypt]

I have numbers in there, but I'm not sure where they came from 🙂

the second page

they are 0.35/0.35 and 0.49/0.49 (Same buy/sell, different time of use) I'm pretty confident that buy back is at least 1/2 that

[tacit burrow]

YOu need to check your power bill/contract

They are manually entered in the app, not from any authoritive source

[jagged crypt]

yeah, just moved in two weeks ago

[tacit burrow]

I've raised a support ticket with my installer. Not optimistic.

[jagged crypt]

good luck, I just managed to turn on battery mode when we were talking earlier, and burn through the battery when it shouldn't have been, so using grid "tonight". On a plus side, no air-con needed.

trying to figure out why it also lost contact with the battery for part of the day today when i swapped from self-powered to time-based (the thing that caused the issue)

[tacit burrow]

It seems to be working more predictably in self-powered mode; but I wonder if I need some automations or alerts to catch strange cases. Really want to avoid paying peak price for import, even reverting to grid-charging if it's too low coming into that.

Peak (3pm-9pm) $0.3652 per kWh
Off-Peak (other) $0.2002 per kWh

[jagged crypt]

that's the past 4 days of charge level

[tacit burrow]

I'm only just making 100% now, and it was winter (until today)

But as long as it covers 3pm-9pm, that's good enough.

Right now it's importing during the day, when it should just show it's charging a little. Changed to self-powered just now

[jagged crypt]

i think i told it to export the battery to grid in my example above

just disabled that setting

I also just told it to hold 0% in reserve to see how long that lasts tonight

[tacit burrow]

It'll lights-out at 5% won't it?

Maybe that' only in off-grid mode

[jagged crypt]

only in off-grid mode

it was sitting at 8% and pulling from the grid alread

[tacit burrow]

I think there's at least two % numbers reported in various places, via the APIs etc. See gh issues.
They're ~5% apart

The web-based telsla integration reported different to the local one. And it's not polling rate.

[jagged crypt]

the sensor reports 12% in HA, the tesla app says i have 7% left. So it's holding 5% to keep from flatlining the batteries

[tacit burrow]

Yup, something like that.

[jagged crypt]

wrong channel that. trying to refresh the polling

[jagged crypt]

too many channels, but I'll answer a zigbee channel comment you made Lyric. Previous house we put hue motion sensors in all the rooms, no more light switch use, everything just worked (hue app, was done pre-HA). Light switch in the bathrooms only.

[drifting grove]

Looks like mine 🙃, this aussie winter has been a ton more cloudy than the last

[random stream]

Can I use Ring contact sensors directly with HA Yellow, or do I still need a Ring base station?

[cold moon]

If you’re looking for stuff to buy ring ain’t it

[random stream]

I just need a door sensor, for while I'm away this week, and the ones on Amazon are not arriving in time. So I found someone selling the ring sensor on FB marketplace.

[terse pebble]

Ring sensors and keypads can be used with the Yellow, IF you also have a ZWave stick or HAT.

[random stream]

I have an Aquara coming, but I don't know if it will be here in time

[random stream]

Thanks, I have neither of those so I guess I will just hope the aquara comes on time lol

[terse pebble]

The onboard radio is not compatible with those

[random stream]

The Ring sensors, right? Or the Aquara as well?

[terse pebble]

Ring was meant. 😆 Aqara is fine

[random stream]

pheww lol

thanks!

[terse pebble]

At least their Zigbee stuff. Not sure about the Thread ones.

[random stream]

Pretty sure I got a zigbee one.

[tawny viper]

ring is zwave right?

[high stump]

Ring works with Yellow, plenty of people using the alarm keypad for instance.

Oh i see now, @terse pebble meant the onboard radio only...yes that's right you need Z-Wave add-on radio

[cold moon]

It doesn’t work with yellow that doesn’t make any sense

Yellow is an underpowered sbc

Some ring devices can be paired to a zwave controller

What that’s running on has no relevance

[high stump]

Yes i misread, but corrected in 2nd line, you're confirming what i said

[cold moon]

I’m writing out factual information

[terse pebble]

Yes

[spare drum]

What’s the easiest way to go about integrating switchbot curtain motors into home assistant? My motors would be on the opposite side of my house from my rPi4, so I’m worried about Bluetooth range a bit

[fringe crater]

ESP32 proxy.

[spare drum]

what is that?

[fringe crater]

You get an ESP32, which is a $5 microcontroller, and it acts as a HA bluetooth proxy. It communicates to the motor and relays the bluetooth back to HA over wifi.
https://esphome.github.io/bluetooth-proxies/

[drifting ember]

I'd like a $5 ESP

[spare drum]

I’m assuming that’s something I have to power over micro-usb? And how would I go about flashing it?

[glossy prism]

carefully

[cold moon]

best case is PoE powered ones like the olimex

followed by usb power or pins directly

[spare drum]

That one is like 26 euro, at that point, would it make more sense to just get the switchbot mini hub?

[fringe crater]

I just buy these by the dozen. $3.04 for wroom-32d
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832678407407.html?spm=a2g0o.order_detail.order_detail_item.7.7db6f19cKllo8y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

[cold moon]

it's one option, not required just considered the best

i use two of the $5 wroom32 like karwosts posted (wifi)

in a tiny little 3d printed case

[spare drum]

Which one is considered the best? The hub or the esp32

[cold moon]

https://shop.m5stack.com/products/atom-lite-esp32-development-kit?ref=NabuCasa these are kinda cute tho

[cold moon]

no one here suggests buying proprietary hubs man

[fringe crater]

Does that switchbot hub even work for HA? Or does it just lock you into cloud.

[spare drum]

Oooo that one comes in a case and has usb c power for like $7. That might be the route I go

[cold moon]

i believe it's cloud but no personal experience

[spare drum]

Is it something I can set up over usb c? Or do I need something extra to flash it over it’s pins or something?

[fringe crater]

USB is sufficient to flash

it's very easy

[spare drum]

Alright. Sorry if these all sound like really basic questions, I’ve just never dealt with any esp stuff other than a screek presence sensor that more or less was just picked up by HA immediately

[fringe crater]

no worries.

[spare drum]

Is there a good guide or tutorial for how to flash it with the Bluetooth proxy firmware and how to get it set up in HA?

[fringe crater]

I think this website just flashes it for you:
https://esphome.github.io/bluetooth-proxies/

you just plug it in and hit "connect" afaik and it does all the work

[cold moon]

i think they might come preflashed?

maybe not i'm not seeing it in the store's details

[spare drum]

That’s kinda cool. Alright, thanks guys

After the flash, do I need to do anything in HA?

[cold moon]

after you use the webflasher tool it literally goes to a page that asks if you want to add it to hass

it's really easy

[gloomy spoke]

It's automatically discovered

[spare drum]

That’s awesome. I really do want to get into more esp stuff cause it seems like a really powerful diy route

[gloomy spoke]

Those things are awesome

[cold moon]

honestly as cool as esp are it's usually better to just buy premade sensors like zigbee ones

just depends on your use case

[spare drum]

Yeah most of my stuff is zigbee, but I haven’t found a zigbee based curtain motor that seems sufficient

I know aqara has one but it’s not nearly as strong as the new switchbot one, and we have heavy curtains

I don’t have much Wi-Fi based stuff anymore, but the things I do have are way more reliable than my zigbee stuff for some reason. I’ve had trouble getting my zigbee mesh stable and reliable while living in a townhouse with people on either side of me

[cold moon]

you've done an rf energy scan to determine best zigbee channel right?

zha or z2m?

[spare drum]

Yeah

ZHA

[cold moon]

share the diagnostic file for the zha integration

in #zigbee-archived

[spare drum]

Side note, any decent way to test BT connection to HA from various locations in my house?

[cold moon]

it'll do an energy scan when you click it

which will stop all zigbee stuff while it's doing it

[spare drum]

Part of me wants to know whether or not the esp stuff is even necessary

[cold moon]

there's rssi exposed with the bt integration isnt there?

idk how to test it from another location tho

If the rooms are close enough it won’t matter so much about having two per room since the active connection range is much shorter than the advertisement reception range

You just need a second one in advertisement range while the other one is connecting.  Usually that can be anywhere in a 2500sqft house

Deploy one per every 625sqft with a minimum of 2 and you are good```

some info about them^

[spare drum]

I know I’m on zigbee channel 25 and my two WAPs are on channel 1 and 6, so there shouldn’t be much interference with my own stuff, but my neighbors are definitely interfering

[cold moon]

you know they arent the same right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/551843655682490399/1106178016201158696/ZigBee_Channels.png

[spare drum]

Yes, zigbee channel 25 overlaps with Wi-Fi channel 11

Which I’m not using

[cold moon]

but so does usb 3.x ports

and SSDs

and network racks

are you using a usb extender?

https://youtu.be/tHqZhNcFEvA 30 second clip showing it

[spare drum]

Yes, admittedly not an incredibly long one, but like 6 feet

[cold moon]

still a zigbee scan will help confirm it

what coordinator and firmware version

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ i use one of these now

[spare drum]

Nortek HUSBZB-1

[cold moon]

lol

[spare drum]

Give me a sec to see the firmware

[cold moon]

that's practically the worst possible option

it's bad at both zigbee and zwave

[spare drum]

Really? Well crap lol

[cold moon]

a bunch of old youtube videos suggest it

and it pops up on amazon

[spare drum]

Well that might be half of my problem lol

I’ve had it for years and never really considered that it was part of the problem

[cold moon]

is your hass install where the coordinator is centrally located?

[drifting grove]

Hey, did someone used the Shelly wall display already? https://www.shelly.com/de/products/shop/shelly-wall-display-w/shelly-wall-display-b

[cold moon]

if not, or even if so, a PoE coordinator isnt a bad idea

[spare drum]

I would say not centrally, but the usb extender puts the nortek stick as close to “centrally” as I can realistically put it without having my GF saying “what is that stupid usb thingy doing out there in the open?!”

I do have multiple repeaters, an ikea USB one and two ikea plug sockets, so basically one in every room of the house

[cold moon]

ya but if the coordinator is experiencing interference or just generally sucks then it doesnt matter how many repeaters you have

[spare drum]

The PoE one is a bit expensive. Do people generally recommend the sky connect one?

Also all of my PoE stuff is even less centrally located than my hass install, and I don’t really want to do any more Ethernet runs while we’re still in an apartment.

[cold moon]

you dont have to buy the PoE one

just an option a lot of us like

and it removes the usb interference angle completely

[spare drum]

Also, side note, now that I’m thinking about it, my hass install isn’t actually on the other side of the house from where the curtain motors will be, it’s actually just directly a floor below them. I’d say no more than 20ft of distance, and a single floor between them. I feel like there’s a chance I wouldn’t need the BT proxy?

[cold moon]

skyconnect is fine if you are using zha

[fringe crater]

why don't you just try and find out?

[cold moon]

you're trying really hard not to buy that $7 thing lol

doesnt hurt to try either way

bdraco has made improvements to where the BLE proxies are actually faster than native bluetooth integration

so that is one reason you might want to use them

granted, we're talking milliseconds

[spare drum]

Still tho, faster is faster. Alright guys, I appreciate all the help. I have a suspicion that the curtain motors are about to be gifted to me, so I was just trying to get ahead of the issue. I think I’ll start by tackling the other issue and swapping out the zigbee dongle with the skyconnect one

[cold moon]

i'm not sure how to migrate with zha

i'd ask in #zigbee-archived

[spare drum]

Ehh I might just re-set everything up, just to have a clean slate

[cold moon]

i think puddly has made it pretty painless tho

[spare drum]

Puddly?

[cold moon]

zha maintainer

https://github.com/puddly

[spare drum]

The zigpy thing?

[cold moon]

you said you use zha

he makes zha

[spare drum]

Ahh ok. Sorry it’s just a lot to look at, just trying to find specifically what you were talking about on the GitHub

Ahh yeah looks like there’s a painless way to download backup then migrate radio

[stray birch]

Reposting this as suggested since it seems more relavant here: I'm trying to control some RF motorized blinds as well as an Autoslide motorized sliding door. Looking at using the Broadlink RM Pro or the Bond Bridge. Anyone have experience with both of these units? I'm trying to figure out which one is better to buy/use.

[trail rampart]

anyone here successfully add the Aqaara presence sensor FP2 to HA using HomeKit?

[tawny viper]

Probably

[cold moon]

i think the only downside is no way to setup zones over homekit - i've heard you can set them up with the chyna (aqara) app then use them in hass via homekit-controller integration tho

[trail rampart]

yea, to even get it to show up in HA i had to get the app and set it up there (wifi)

[cold moon]

gross

[trail rampart]

indeed.

[cold moon]

the cost and chyna app are the anti selling points to me

i have a couple FP1 zigbee ones

[trail rampart]

yea i have an FP1 also, it was so easy to set up

and works pretty well.

that being said, watching myself move around a room in the app is pretty amazing...and the sensor has more features (like luminance)

[cold moon]

i still dont do any automations off lux

[cold moon]

fp1 was easy to setup?

you never setup zones then...

[trail rampart]

lol nope

just presense on or off for a room

[cold moon]

you can create zones on zigbee2mqtt with fp1

and do like.. getting out of bed or sitting at desk automations

fp2 just adds to that

including tracking multiple people in multiple zones at the same time

[trail rampart]

damn that sounds badass

[cold moon]

ur badass

i've been thinking about mounting one of my FP1 above my stairs

so i can automate my led strip differently based on coming up or going down

[trail rampart]

i'm underutilizing mine I suppose, I just wanted motion lights that didn't shut off if I didn't wiggle around occasionally

[cold moon]

ya

well you can send your fp1 to me since you've got the shiny new stuff

i can pay in dank memes

[trail rampart]

haha my shiny new stuff doesn't work though 😛

[cold moon]

yet

[trail rampart]

been sitting there for a while

[cold moon]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/homekit_controller/ you're using this right?

[trail rampart]

ya

wonder if I could add it as a thread device

[trail rampart]

lol

[cold moon]

rekt

[trail rampart]

hey Smart, what do you use to backup your HA?

[cold moon]

https://github.com/Sebclem/hassio-nextcloud-backup

backs up to my server

i should have a cloud backup in case house burns down but i tell myself if house burns down hass is pretty low on my priority list

[winged knoll]

rclone and rsnapshot here, not that backups are really very hardware related 😛

[trail rampart]

my thoughts exactly

I have a NAS set up