hardware-archived

[orchid orbit]

oh nice, bought the VINDSTYRKA 2 days ago and was wondering about tvoc not shown - using ZHA.

[uncut badger]

There's a couple of things in that thread worth seeing.

mostly it's forcing updates regularly. As long as you get the zha helper stuff in play, it's simple

[upper yoke]

whats tvoc?

[uncut badger]

'Total Volatile Organic Compounds' bunch of 'nasty shit' chemicals. along with some which are more normal in a house.

https://www.renesas.com/us/en/document/whp/overview-tvoc-and-indoor-air-quality

[upper yoke]

so tvoc is bs? whats pm2.5?

[tiny sun]

pm stands for particulate matter. There are differents sizes, the most common are 1, 2.5, 4 and 10 µm

[lyric mortar]

Hope this isn't inappropriate for this channel, but there is a daily deal on Amazon Fire tablets today on Woot. I know some (myself included) have gotten some of those as front end displays / controllers.

[upper yoke]

apparently my levoit air purifier has a smart laser dust sensor with pm2.5 detection, is there any point in getting the VINDSTYRKA?

[uncut badger]

tvoc is important. covers stuff like formaldhyde off gassing, paint fumes, that kind of thing. pm2.5 is small particulate matter, like pollen, smoke, plaster dust and so on.

[zealous dune]

you should look into a CO2 sensor before anything else

[forest root]

Anyone know if there are any local push / local polling thermostat integrations? I'm trying to get a thermostat that doesn't rely on the cloud

[winged knoll]

With 2023.7 some Nest models are supported by Matter - 100% local

[cold moon]

mumbles but google still bad, right?

[forest root]

Hmmm interesting. Would I still need to set up the thermostat with a Google account?

[terse pebble]

Why do I have to think about the Anakin-Padme meme now?

[cold moon]

lol

[atomic marsh]

Is it better to get a multi person mmwave presence detector like the the aqara fp2, or use a lot of door/seat/vibration detectors for tbe same job?

[winged knoll]

Depends on what you're trying to actually do

[terse pebble]

It depends on the usecase

[winged knoll]

And how much money you have

[atomic marsh]

I'm outfitting a bedroom/office and I want to automata based on where I am and what I'm doing

Computer vs music vs small desk vs bed

[winged knoll]

mmWave + load cells

[atomic marsh]

Load cells?

A local shop is selling these for the equivalent of 5 usd https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/MCCGQ14LM.html

And a light detector for a dollar more

[winged knoll]

Load cells are weight sensors

[atomic marsh]

It's 8.5 usd for me but that's much cheaper than shipping and customs

[winged knoll]

The door sensor and light sensor are also good to have

[cold moon]

If money isn’t a concern the fp2 looks great but currently requires a Chinese app for full functionality iirc

[atomic marsh]

What's the average cost, and can I mod this sensor into one?

[upper yoke]

is there a good one? when i checked a while back the ones for esp8266 were finnicky and id rather have a prebuilt commercial solution

[zealous dune]

Mine are working just fine. Don't know of a good commercial one.

[zealous dune]

FP2 isn't quite there yet to give you reliable automations for that

I would recommend FSR over load cells unless you really need to weigh stuff

[upper yoke]

how do you test it to make sure it reports accurately?

[frigid kayak]

anyone use these? https://cloudfree.shop/product/xiaomi-mijia-bluetooth-temperature-and-humidity-sensor/

[zealous dune]

You don't

[zealous dune]

Everyone is

[frigid kayak]

oh nice

[zealous dune]

Why is it nice?

[frigid kayak]

because they are cheap and if everyone uses them, they must work well

[zealous dune]

No, everyone is using them because they're cheap

[atomic marsh]

Any good ones? I already have an aranet 4 for co2

[uncut badger]

Only one I have is the built in one in the ikea zigbee air sensor. So I don't really have anything to compare it with?

it seems fine

https://i.imgur.com/NRA2uh2.png

That's the sensor in my bedroom. I made lunch around noon (fried off a chicken breast) and made dinner after 6. (I'm also getting my bathroom redone which is accounting for the pm2.5 spikes on the rest of the sensor)

https://i.imgur.com/CliU2WH.png

how accurate are they? without calibrated equipment to compare them with, I really can't say.

[swift zealot]

I am looking to upgrade my dumb thermostat to a smart one, which ones work best with HA? I was looking into NEST learning one but that is a bad work. Others were the honeywell ones, but there are so many options?

in the US

[cold moon]

You can’t go wrong with ecobee however the new nest might just be local only which is nice to hear

Requiring matter for that though

You’ll also need to confirm if you need one that supports a C wire, multi zone, etc and purchase accordingly

Zigbee and zwave are also options

[zealous dune]

Anything from Plantower or Sensirion

[swift zealot]

I saw that in the release notes

[cold moon]

i have and like ecobee and think google is evil fwiw

but if it can be local only then i suppose other than giving google profit that's a decent option

ecobee is cloud connected to but can be locally integrated via the homekit protocol directly to hass (basically mimicking a homekit bridge)

[devout parrot]

I have a Centralite Pearl thermostat and I've been happy with it. Zigbee only, completely local.

Some people say they're ugly but they're not that bad imo.

[frigid kayak]

what are people usingto control Ceiling Fan / Light combos

[devout parrot]

If it has an RF remote, get a Bond bridge or Broadlink RM4, if it's pull chain, add an RF remote module and a bridge or get a Sonoff ifan and flash Tasmota.

[cold moon]

ifan03 doesnt have esphome support?

[atomic marsh]

Anything cheap? I don't need accuracy, just consistency, even if it's off by 10-20% I can adjust my expectations

[zealous dune]

i don't know what's cheap in your world

[atomic marsh]

50 usd or less

[zealous dune]

then almost all of them 😄

[atomic marsh]

Can I buy good sensors and diy them with an esp32

Lol the first one I saw was an aqara for $150

[zealous dune]

most of them require diy, the cheap commerical ones i tried were quite bad

[cold moon]

https://esphome.io/components/sensor/sps30.html

This is considered a good one

[zealous dune]

PMS7003 or PMS9003, or get a Seeed Studio SEN55 and get almost all in one

[atomic marsh]

How about this? I liked it for the built in fan
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/19325

[zealous dune]

all of them have fans

but yes that one is the "lesser" version of SEN55

[atomic marsh]

Ah, I was looking at this and the fan wasn't obvious
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/15103

[atomic marsh]

Only difference is the oxidizing gases on the 55?

[zealous dune]

yes, the NOx detection

worth a few bucks imo

[cold moon]

What will you do with this newfound info?

Stay inside more? Wear a mask inside if it crosses some threshold?

[zealous dune]

just push it to influxdb never to be seen again, just like the rest of the smart home users

[cold moon]

I’m confused what the end goal for measuring inside shit is

You can’t change it

If so you already would have filters etc in place cuz you live in a fancy house

[zealous dune]

don't you have windows and vents?

[cold moon]

In the south you don’t open windows that’s how you fuck up humidity levels

And whole home fans sucking air in creating negative pressure don’t exist

[zealous dune]

ah, well see... not everyone in the world lives in the same climate

[cold moon]

And most homes don’t suck fresh air in from outside

In cali a lot of homes don’t even have central AC

[atomic marsh]

Nah just know when to open a window or when to close it if the air outside is bad

[cold moon]

I see

[atomic marsh]

We have a lot of dust and I also have asthma

Probably won't get to this for a while, I'm just gettinn a lot of esp32s and I'll have spares

[cold moon]

No accurate weather reporting for this?

[atomic marsh]

And yeah I might actually

My n95 clears up my sinuses

[atomic marsh]

Not that well

[atomic marsh]

You can, you can change the materials, surfaces, even paint or washing powder

[zealous dune]

or leave the premises if its too high

[atomic marsh]

I have an aranet4 for that

Started taking it everywhere, I keep seeing co2 levels 2500+ at family gatherings

[zealous dune]

hehe yeah, its not pretty when you start tracking co2

[atomic marsh]

Was initially for covid precautions since I'm high risk, but it's crazy how little we think of co2

Or reaching 3k/4k+ in cars, like won't your driving ability be impaired

[zealous dune]

it would, greatly

[spiral wagon]

Is there any good IR transmitter that is either zigbee or non wireless?

[atomic marsh]

I would love to see heat exchangers get more popular for fresh air, but seeing them in cars might be asking a lot

[cold moon]

you actually want a transceiver right?

[zealous dune]

non wireless as in Ethernet? that would be a diy job

[cold moon]

esp32 with hat or built in eth and an ir transceiver would fit the bill no?

[spiral wagon]

Transmitter is enough, as I have other receiver for debugging but transceiver is welcome

[cold moon]

using this: https://esphome.io/components/remote_transmitter.html

and also this? https://esphome.io/components/remote_receiver.html

[spiral wagon]

What hardware?

Is there any zigbee ESP home?

[zealous dune]

doesnt exist

[spiral wagon]

right

[zealous dune]

theres a zigbee IR remote

[spiral wagon]

Like the Tuya ts1201?

[zealous dune]

functionality varies

https://smarthomescene.com/reviews/tuya-zigbee-infrared-ir-remote-zs06-review/

[spiral wagon]

Yup that is 1201

And that won't work (yet)

[zealous dune]

or ever 😄

[spiral wagon]

Can't figure out how to send arbitrary command

As in I have the Raw IR data in micro seconds

[zealous dune]

its easier to get a wifi one and slap tasmota or esphome on it

[spiral wagon]

I will need to send that out

Not going to get wifi

Zigbee since it's power efficient

[cold moon]

well you can still do the same thing with ethernet interface instead of wifi if you want it

[zealous dune]

you don't have wifi in that location?

[spiral wagon]

I don't want to crowd my wifi spectrum

[zealous dune]

ah that spiel... ok

[spiral wagon]

Ethernet will do

Guess I'm buying two Poe esp32

One for the tube coordinator the other one for this

Or

[zealous dune]

and high powered IR diodes

[spiral wagon]

Maybe I could just put the diode in the same ESP as the tube coordinator?

Would that work

[zealous dune]

sure

[spiral wagon]

What is the tube coordinator running

ESP home?

[zealous dune]

it can do that or tasmota

[spiral wagon]

What is the official tube zigbee coordinator running? Let me check

[cold moon]

i'd keep them seperate myself

[spiral wagon]

Seems to be running ESP home

[spiral wagon]

Any specific reason?

[cold moon]

yes

[spiral wagon]

Any good ones?

[cold moon]

less things to go wrong and you dont even have a working tube coordinator built yet

[zealous dune]

Vishay TSAL6x00

[spiral wagon]

Add it to my digikey cart

[zealous dune]

there no good reason not to use it on the coordinator unless its placed so that the IR signal is worthless

[cold moon]

sure there is

he's needing to follow a BOM and solder tiny components to a pcb and you're suggesting he just start adding shit to it without confirming it even works after building it?

[zealous dune]

where did i suggest that exactly?

[cold moon]

@marsh lichen is your coordinator meant to have an IR transmitter added to it and expected to work as you've designed it?

waits for a "no"

[marsh lichen]

No

[cold moon]

is surprised

[zealous dune]

can it have an IR LED connected to one of the free GPIOs?

[marsh lichen]

Don’t know why not

[zealous dune]

is not surpised

[marsh lichen]

It’s beyond the scope of that I do. The zigbee module uses most of the pins in the olimex uext port

[spiral wagon]

Well, the PoE ESP board it uses is a development board

[cold moon]

wild

[spiral wagon]

As long as there are free gpio pin

[cold moon]

above tube said it's not designed to work with it but yeah might as well do what you want to save $5 on a new esp32

makes sense to me

[zealous dune]

its more power efficient

[spiral wagon]

$20

I need a Poe one

Or $15? Why are there 4 similar ones

[zealous dune]

different suppliers or some differences in hardware

[spiral wagon]

Ok just read the datasheet and it says the iso version has more isolation between something something dc 3000V

Don't think I need that

[zealous dune]

prolly not

[spiral wagon]

🤔

Need a way to mount the diodes

Just one won't cover all directions

At least4

Should I just separate the two and make one an IR ball

3W https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1MuQnIFXXXXc.aXXXq6xXFXXX3/500pcs-lot-LED-IR-Diode-3W-850nm-red-storm-Far-Emitter-Diode-Chip-Beads-Ball-Infrared.jpg

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/vishay-semiconductor-opto-division/VSMY98545/4580836

Making it the IR disco ball🤣

Make a pcb "ball" then fill it with ir diode

With one side open for the poe in

[drifting grove]

Anyone having issues with their Aqara buttons? My buttons are triggers in automations and for example a single press will turn on my fan. However I don’t have an option in the menu for single double or long press. I have to reset the device to regain those options. Then it works for a few hours or days then the options go away and i get “unknown trigger”

[terse pebble]

Maybe the people in #zigbee-archived have seen that issue

[atomic marsh]

Can anybody find the cri for this light? Sources keep conflicting over >80 cri and >90 cri

https://www.1o1jo.com/product-page/mi-smart-led-bulb-essential-white-color

It also goes by the yeelight w3 and (I think?) Yldp005

[rich venture]

if they dont want to advertise the number then i would lean towards lower one

[atomic marsh]

Well tradfri doesn't advertise the number and it's 93+...

Shame they don't have an energy saver certification

[uncut badger]

while it's running through tuya, so kinda terrible for remote control, the Elechome air purifier isn't bad at all 🙂 (if I was buying one now, I'd probably get the ikea one). Have people doing work in my bathroom, kicking up a lot of fine plaster dust. hit like 500µm on its pm2.5 sensor. 20 minutes later, down to 9. (it's possible it's due to settling, but I'm not sure.)

[atomic marsh]

How's the co2

Sorry I just saw the emoji and wanted to try it

[uncut badger]

well, the co2 sensor in the room I'm hiding in (with the window open) is saying like 720 😉

[atomic marsh]

Is there a way to get fresh air from outside without some random pump

[atomic marsh]

How is it so effective with the window open?

[uncut badger]

it's in a different room.

[atomic marsh]

I might fuckin buy one it's on a 30% sale here

[uncut badger]

I don't have a co2 sensor anywhere else.

[zealous dune]

i like my Xiaomi purifier

[atomic marsh]

It's the same as the xiaomi one, right?

[zealous dune]

works well with windows open and is local

[uncut badger]

if you're living somewhere where wildfires happen, having an air purifier, even a dumb one, is well worth the investment

[atomic marsh]

I don't, but I live in jordan with dust storms and have asthma and several lung diseases

I'm gonna buy one

Sale ends today

[uncut badger]

I got the 'Elechomes Smart WiFi Air Purifier'. though it looks like it's not available any more. either way, it's pretty good to see the difference in levels

although annoyingly, it looks like the filter packs aren't for sale any more 😦

(for all I use it, I'll probably just pick up a new air purifier from ikea rather than paying the 50 quid for an after market replacement filter for my current one.)

[atomic marsh]

should I light my desk with this, or get an extra smart bulb and fit it in a regular lamp?
https://www.mi.com/global/product/mi-led-desk-lamp-1s/

I work with tiny pcbs and components, my concern is the harshness and evenness of the light

dunno how to diffuse an a19 bulb, nor do I see any adjustable desk lamp with a diffuser

[rich venture]

random pump?

[atomic marsh]

sadly I'm stuck with the local stuff, shipping is 10 bucks per pound + 20%

[uncut badger]

eep.

[atomic marsh]

like hook up an air compressor with an intake outside and pumping into a filter

[rich venture]

thats not efficient at all
best way of air circulation would be erv

[uncut badger]

a fair number of people have done things like stick a boxfan ontop of 4 filters and duct tape the whole thing together. It's not exactly pretty, but it can work.

(covid led to a bunch of this stuff.)

[rich venture]

and you can filter the air with hepa filter since you mentioned you have problem with alergies

https://youtu.be/w5sR-0oX1dg
you can even build it yourself

[atomic marsh]

it's not, who said i'm a good engineer

[atomic marsh]

how do y'all light your desks?

[cold moon]

Candlelight duh

[zealous dune]

photography lights, why settle for anything less

[atomic marsh]

you kid, but there'e a nice smart aputure light that'd do the job

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vT01RvzLO6US56LXfObdbkZG33j39HEtRUHDbc0cSdnuojyCcrynXjsH6uyptzp1zPjqyJxl8-jIAJu/pubhtml

@zealous dune@uncut badger wanna help me choose between purifiers with my sexy sexy spreadsheet?

my room is 14m2 and 32m3, but I want to be able to crack the window

and preferably not have the unit right next to me during the day since I hate noise

[uncut badger]

almost looks like a couple of the small ones would do you.

60db is conversation level

[atomic marsh]

with the window open?

[atomic marsh]

can you suggest anything?

[zealous dune]

no

[uncut badger]

window open will make anything work hard. And unfortunately I've not tested this stuff 😦

[atomic marsh]

keep in mind shipping is ~15 usd per pound

[atomic marsh]

I mean, I can have it right next to me blowing in my face

I just don't want the co2 level to rise too much, I don't need more fatigue on top of mine

[uncut badger]

always going to be a problem 😦

[atomic marsh]

then how do i get clean air without massive co2 levels?

[uncut badger]

filters on the way air comes into the room

[atomic marsh]

it's just a regular aluminum window frame, how might I outfit that

[rich venture]

co2 scrubber

[atomic marsh]

am I a submarine

[rich venture]

possibly

[uncut badger]

open windows is a problem. open window with a filter across it, less of a problem, but you'll have trouble with the static pressure required I suspect. hence, filter + fan to draw air in

[atomic marsh]

would something like this reduce a lot of the incoming particles?https://www.amazon.com/Window-Screen-Filter-Prevents-Entering/dp/B0012DP03Q

it won't clean it, but it'll make the purifier's job much easier

[rich venture]

doubt you will get much airflow with that

[atomic marsh]

I can just open the window more

I have a wide window for a small room

[uncut badger]

has the benefit, at least, that it's cheap.

[atomic marsh]

https://www.pollenrelief.com/products/style-722-safeguard-window-filter

this is interesting too

[rich venture]

do you have heating/ air con ducts ?

[atomic marsh]

it's a constant size, but I can use the

the

what's the thing that you draw over your windows

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSZpL-Rsfj1TZdfxSACDCQevoesVZL4d_Xr86UpuwgKXmwaMU_2174sa9KNW5x_KEX4zwM&usqp=CAU

this thing

I've never seen anywhere in the world

[rich venture]

i have them

[atomic marsh]

anyway, I can control the air inflow with that

[atomic marsh]

what do you call them

[rich venture]

local name wont help you

[shut vessel]

Hi everyone,

I am quite new to HA and just started using this blueprint https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zha-lidl-livarnolux-tuya-silvercrest-4-button-remote/372186/10 with the Lidl remote and 4 Ikea Tradfri white light bulbs 1000 lumen in a light group created via an helper. I can manually change the brightness of the group. But… If I use button 3 or 4 in either short or long press with ‘brightness step value’ or ‘brightness step’ nothing happens. The log of the remote shows that commands where sent. Any idea?

[atomic marsh]

I've never had to say that word in english in my life

[atomic marsh]

are you arab or french?

that's the extent of my language skills

[rich venture]

nope

[atomic marsh]

spanish...?

[rich venture]

they are blinds but are mounted on the outside so they have better effectivness
direct translation is "rolo blinds "

[atomic marsh]

ehh rolling blinds seems to describe something similar but internal

close enough

[rich venture]

also it isnt something that can be easily added after window install

[uncut badger]

have you looked at your automation's trace?

[shut vessel]

let me check

[cold moon]

I think he needs a quirk to get around a zha limitation

[atomic marsh]

any use in having a 10,000 mAh 12w power bank for esphome?

[steady void]

Damnit. Another Aqara tempsensor that died on me. Can't re-pair it. New battery and all. This happens way to often with these sensors.
Are there any good outdoor temp/humidity sensors?

[devout parrot]

Yeah those Aqara sensors are good but not really rated for outdoor use.
Best thing to do is get some kind of weather station type situation that you can integrate with HA.

[uncut badger]

I'm using a netatmo one. works pretty well. though I've got it in a weather station shell. of course, it's a cloud integration. and wasn't cheap. (but did give me an interior sensor too, with CO2. which was what I was wanting)

[cold moon]

i have an aqara zigbee 1.2 one in a mailbox surviving texas summer heat right now

and other on the inside of a shed door

[atomic marsh]

should I a smart plug when I don't really know what to do with it?

[cold moon]

only been there a few months or 6 months or so tho

[uncut badger]

cold is more of a problem than hot. (though hot is also a problem)

if you don't have a use for it, don't buy it.

[cold moon]

it's gotta be 130+ in the mailbox

i expected it to die by now

[atomic marsh]

there's some random ideas in my head but nothing's jumping at me

it has power consumption ratings which is nice, I don't have to hook up my multimeter

[cold moon]

just buy a 3d printer

or use it on a washing machine or dishwasher

or to automate a fan or heater (assuming the plug can take the load)

[atomic marsh]

yep I'm buying one, there's lots of things I want to measure

just gotta check how shitty the interface is

[cold moon]

buy one flashable or already flashed to esphome

https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/us-v2-plug-for-esphome example

[atomic marsh]

it's this one,

GMR4015GL

[cold moon]

dont make me google things to help you lol

[atomic marsh]

I can't tell, there's basically no support

it's 16 amps tho which is nice

here's what I found:
https://buy.mi.com/es/item/3203200042
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803973881569.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[cold moon]

https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/esphome-eu-plug guess you're in eu?

[atomic marsh]

Jordan

[cold moon]

well eu style plug?

[atomic marsh]

any plug

[cold moon]

huh

[atomic marsh]

I have 5 types of plugs in my house

[cold moon]

well pick one

[atomic marsh]

and homes are sold outfitted with 2-3

is this discount the usual at 13.8?

this one is 20 usd, but I don't have to pay shipping or taxes

[cold moon]

Then buy from athom on aliexpress instead

Or some other esphome flashable or preflashed one

[steady void]

I have the same thing with the ones i have indoors. They're crap.
Getting a weather station just to see the temp is a bit overkill 😛

[atomic marsh]

can you give me an idea of the benfits?

wait I'll google it

okay there's nothing

surge protection and shortage protection

which is in the others?

sorry, I've never used esphome myself

[devout parrot]

I mean it doesn't have to be a whole ass elaborate system, one of these type things integrated with rtl433 would do the job if the Aqara sensors keep dying on you. https://a.co/d/9IdI4lc

[atomic marsh]

oh... I can flash esphome on the lamp I wanted...

[devout parrot]

My experience putting Aqara's stuff outdoors here in Oklahoma has been similar. I have a motion sensor out here and I use one of their buttons as a doorbell, seems to be fine as long as it's not exposed to direct rain.

[grand gate]

Does anyone use the Aquara Vibration Sensor with Zigbee2mqqt??
I use it with ZHA and the tilt angles are either 0, 45 or 90 degrees. I'm wondering if it's a device limitation or something strange in the integration

[atomic marsh]

I'm sorry to ask this, but how much better esphome is vs xiaomi?

is it worth paying more for devices that support it?

[devout parrot]

Xiaomi WiFi devices require cloud, esp gives you local control.

[atomic marsh]

do xiaomi servers fail often?

or are they slow to respond?

[cold moon]

Are you questioning whether it makes sense to use a Chinese cloud connected device?

Using Chinese firmware?

[devout parrot]

It's more about privacy, your stuff not depending on some company choosing to maintain support for the device to function, and your devices still working when the internet is down.

[cold moon]

Even if they are local you have control over how it integrates with home assistant as well with esphome firmware

[atomic marsh]

I'm assuming esph gives you refined control over the hardware?

features and commands that the manf. locked or disabled

[cold moon]

https://imgur.com/a/3f2xDPM

you add whatever you want to the esphome yaml (there are examples online to literally copy/paste)

you also get firmware updates over wifi with esphome for any bug fixes etc

and greater home assistant integration

first pic is the web server running on the plug itself although this really isnt necessary

[winged knoll]

Does anyone use the Aquara Vibration

[agile skiff]

My home assistant dies after around 2 days. It runs on an RPI4 with ethernet cable and an SSD and official power supply. The ip is address is not changing. After it dies, I don't even see the rpi in the network and cannot connect to it so I am assuming it must be something with the RPI. If I unplug the power cable and reconnect it, everything works normally for around 2 days. I don't know how to debug it, or what could be causing the issue

[atomic marsh]

@cold moon I assume can also use any device as a bluetooth proxy in addition?

on esp32

all xiaomi outlets are having 25-40% sales so that's why I'm going through all their products

it's eid and the last day of sales

[winged knoll]

Plug in a keyboard and monitor so that the next time it fails you can find out why

Also, with an SSD you really need a powered USB hub, do you have one?

[cold moon]

No and that’s not suggested even if you could

Per conversations with bdraco the bt proxies should not be doing other things with sensors attached etc

esphome bluetooth proxy info from bdraco:

If you are making active connections it’s recommended to deploy the proxies in pairs on opposite sides of the room since when a connection is in progress it cannot receive advertisements.

If the rooms are close enough it won’t matter so much about having two per room since the active connection range is much shorter than the advertisement reception range

You just need a second one in advertisement range while the other one is connecting.  Usually that can be anywhere in a 2500sqft house

Deploy one per every 625sqft with a minimum of 2 and you are good

He’s also stated it’s better to do Ethernet ones if possible due to the advertisements part above and Wi-Fi and how esp32 manage connections or something like that. You can search here and find his exact words

[atomic marsh]

well, it's not too hard to ethernet them

I'm getting a bunch of esp32s, along with one or two of s2/s3/c3/c6

guess I have to tasmota the latter unless esphome surprises me

[cold moon]

?

[atomic marsh]

I'm not used to developers chatting about the inner workings of their software, kinda cool

[atomic marsh]

s2 and c3 development being in beta on esphome

[cold moon]

Yes I wish they went over this in the livestream yesterday they gave conflicting (wrong advice) about bt proxies

[atomic marsh]

so this is the plug that I can get, I assume these are well featured controls?
https://home.miot-spec.com/spec?type=urn:miot-spec-v2:device:outlet:0000A002:cuco-v2eur:1

and this means it'll work with HA?

[agile skiff]

not sure why would i need a powered usb hub?
this is my setup https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693866041000067087/1126550239365582860/IMG_4214.jpg ,
connecting a monitor and a keyboard is pretty hard to do there

[cold moon]

That hue hub is enjoying some nice interference on that metal it’s mounted on

And the Wi-Fi ap or whatever top left

[atomic marsh]

and this is for the xiaomi air purifier 4 lite. I assume that by being listed here, these devices can be controlled through HA?
https://home.miot-spec.com/spec/zhimi.airp.rma3

or does it still need more implementation?

[winged knoll]

You need a powered USB hub because the Pi has limited power to the USB ports

[atomic marsh]

hey, can I ask, is your integration working with HA or do you have to use the app?

how horrible is that app is what's scaring me

[zealous dune]

i don't use any apps, everything is integrated in HA locally

[atomic marsh]

Well they just removed the fucking discount

[cold moon]

good cuz you were about to buy some random chinese bullshit anyways

[atomic marsh]

I'd like to see you survive under my taxes without stripping sardine cans for breadboard jumper wires

[cold moon]

we're trying to save you from yourself not spend your money for you irresponsibly

one of the biggest complaints people end up having is wishing they didnt buy shit hardware with shit integration and shit cloud connectivity

[atomic marsh]

Well there's a lot of helpful suggestions and tips I wouldn't have thought of

And there's also a fair bit of "I come from a planet where we have no understanding of VAT or shipping weight."

Like why do I keep getting blamed for not having access to good hardware, americans don't seem to grasp that other countries can't just buy anything

[winged knoll]

Not everybody here is American...

[terse pebble]

🇩🇪

[cold moon]

blamed?

[gloomy spoke]

If it ain't Scottish, it's crap!

[cold moon]

i guess there's some stuff lost in translation...

[cold moon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/v2Mkppa5Lrspa

[winged knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/scotland-gif-5722246

[uncut badger]

you eat it. Obviously. you egyptian!

https://tenor.com/view/scotland-gif-22018078

😉

[atomic marsh]

Yes, like I'm throwing your advice out the window and think I know better when I choose finicky hardware cause I literally have no other options

[cold moon]

noted, you will no longer receive help from me

[atomic marsh]

It was a general you, not you specifically

I love getting help from you, you've saved my ass several times

Even tho it comes with some snark 🤐

But guys you get paid 5 times as much as me, and pay half as much for hardware

[winged knoll]

So.... that somehow invalidates what we're telling you

Ok, noted

[atomic marsh]

No, it just means I'm okay with fucking around with the hardware to get it to where I want

Seamless and compatible is great, and it's also expensive

Yeah I'll get a light and flash off the firmware, my alternative is having no light

[devout parrot]

I mean when it comes to air purifiers and whatnot you generally take what you can get that has an integration so you don't have to use some janky app.
The Xiaomi air purifier can pretty easily be stopped from calling home.

Also I hear tell the WiFi board is an esp32 if you're brave enough to disassemble the unit.

[atomic marsh]

Integration is a great feature except when the xiaomi is the only connected and or affordable unit here

[devout parrot]

That's what I'm saying, the Xiaomi apparently works with HA and it's affordable and available so... You take what you can get and shove it in a vlan.

[uncut badger]

and in the end, the goal is to have an air purifier first, an integrated one second.

[cold moon]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-say-what-what-did-you-say-face-gif-10818412

[atomic marsh]

Hey, thanks for being realistic

[devout parrot]

And honestly what Steve said.
But basically everything now has some "smart" bullshit of varying quality shoehorned into it so you might as well hope to find something that works with HA if you're already using HA.

[atomic marsh]

I'm also going to pay for my 67 usd ultraloq pro wifi

Nobody fucking dare say a word lol

[quasi lantern]

Has anyone tried this handheld remote. https://solution.tuya.com/projects/CMbhd55ofut6i8

They are selling for $116 aud including delivery from MOES.

[quasi lantern]

Also the Zemismart version https://www.zemismart.com/products/z1

[tacit burrow]

It's hard to tell what they actually are and how you'd load stuff into their screen?

And how locked down the "tuya zigbee hub required" would be

[devout parrot]

Is it running on some kind of custom android? Something worse? Who knows, someone's going to have to spend the money to find out.

[devout parrot]

Could be a neat little device if it's possible to load some kind of custom firmware on it

[cold moon]

it's an expensive price tag for "tuya"

[zealous dune]

16$ ?? It's a custom android on a little known CPU and I wouldn't expect it to even work with localtuya

[gusty sequoia]

<@&330946878646517761> spam above

[winged knoll]

Yeah, banned, but I can't delete that one message

Oh, there we go, yet another force clear of the cache and finally Discord plays ball

[gusty sequoia]

There it goes. Glad it's handled, anyway!

[pallid prairie]

do you guys use the inovelli switch in smart bulb mode and bind the smart lights if you have hue lights, that makes the most sense right?

[zealous dune]

It does yes

[pallid prairie]

ok thanks

[cold moon]

yes, you can then still change brightness etc with automations using sensors like pir or w/e based on time of day etc and have the light switch binded to always do 100% or w/e you prefer

[glacial oracle]

Hello people!
I am looking for some sensors to check out indoor and outdoor temp n humidity + other funky stuff that may come with it. I heard wifi may not be recommend for stuff running of batteries, but I do have neither a zwave nor zigbee thing to use (besides a hue hub but that kinda doesn't count). Are there any recommendations on what I should / not buy?

(Theoretically those shelly plugs I have come with bluetooth. Not sure if that could be of any help)

[boreal yew]

@dusky vapor - did you get anywhere with this? I'm looking to do the same.

[zealous dune]

Switchbot Outdoor sensor, it's bluetooth

[glacial oracle]

Do they require their hub?

Oh did not turn off the ping, sorry

[cold moon]

didnt you say you had ble proxies already?

if not they're easy to add

[glacial oracle]

No I wanted to indicate that maybe those could be used as some

I haven't tried

[pallid prairie]

oh neat I did a test room and it works as expected now @cold moon

[cold moon]

fancy

[glacial oracle]

having a quick read, using the shelly plugs to do this magic may not be a great idea

[zealous dune]

They require bluetooth proxies like an ESP32 or a BT receiver on your Ha machine if it's in range

[glacial oracle]

i see for my plug s plus that its on firmware 0.14 with a 1.0 beta available
tho i doubt it brings the advertisement bundling functionality

[drifting grove]

Hi everyone. I need an honest opinion on getting a Asus CN62 NUC Intel i7 5500U Mini PC 8GB Ram 16GB SSD ChomeOS to permanently take over my current HA setup. I had a whole bunch of problems, mostly user error, but the rest hardware related, and I’ve decided to get a proper system to run HA.

[uncut badger]

it's potentially massive overkill 😉

(depends what you're doing)

[drifting grove]

@uncut badger not worried about overkill, just don’t want to break anything I guess

To start off I’m just running what I currently have running on my pi400.

[uncut badger]

https://dareneiri.github.io/Asus-Chromebox-With-Full-Linux-Install/ it looks like it'll work. but you need to override the firmware write protection.

No idea how much it's costing you, but you might want to look into alternative refurbs.

[drifting grove]

But I’m more or less looking to see if ppl use that device.

[uncut badger]

https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromiumos/docs/+/master/write_protection.md#Disabling-write-protect

[glacial oracle]

how much is it

[drifting grove]

It’s the cheapest out of options. Intel nuc, Lenovo are all going for 150+ US. The used I’m looking at on eBay is 79.95US

I’m in Canada so it gets far more expensive.

That one will be about $185 CDN delivered

[glacial oracle]

i mean, thats a not bad price
did you check the used (local) market tho? (probably)

[uncut badger]

https://www.amazon.ca/Dell-OptiPlex-Generation-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B07BGWHV6Z/

[drifting grove]

Shops around home are around the same or more

[glacial oracle]

thought about it more like private used sale or something

like its a 8 year old device

[uncut badger]

https://www.amazon.ca/Lenovo-Think-Center-M73-Tiny/dp/B07F88Y6T2/

(those two have the benefit of a 1 year warranty)

[drifting grove]

So the dell is i3, does that matter? The asus is i7

[glacial oracle]

no

but the dell has a much higher tdp

[uncut badger]

Depends what you're planning on doing on it.

Fair point

[glacial oracle]

which likely suggest it uses more energy* * *

[drifting grove]

How the heck did you find those so fast… I’ve literally been looking for over a week

[glacial oracle]

id kinda would dumpster dive for such system at a recycling yard rather than buy one
but that may be something not doable on some places

[drifting grove]

Ok I like the Lenovo one

[uncut badger]

look at ebay too. you may find a cheaper one.

Some people like wise units too (though I'm less keen on them)

[drifting grove]

No luck on eBay that I could find for under 150

[glacial oracle]

its a decade old the lenovo one

[drifting grove]

So dell then?

[glacial oracle]

if either id take the dell for it being a bit more recently released

for ha itself it doesnt matter, but i personally would value it likely being more efficient on that 14nm cpu

[drifting grove]

That’s the dell?

[glacial oracle]

assuming amazon did not lie
cpu inside that dell https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/products/sku/97485/intel-core-i37100t-processor-3m-cache-3-40-ghz/specifications.html 2017
cpu inside that lenovo https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/products/sku/75045/intel-core-i54570t-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html 2013

[drifting grove]

So I shouldn’t concern myself either with number of cores then?

[glacial oracle]

its both 2 cores

[drifting grove]

Right, but does cores matter much for running HA?

I’m gathering 2 is sufficient for HA

[glacial oracle]

if ha worked for you on a raspberry pi before, it would effectively run on what has been a core2duo

it probably wont matter unless you get into more fancy stuff

[devout parrot]

Yeah either of those processors is enough.

[drifting grove]

i may down the road. Looking at proxmox, pfsense and stuff, but most of that I’ll need a device with 2 Ethernet ports

[uncut badger]

that complicates matters a bunch

[glacial oracle]

well if it has pcie, you can just drop in a network card at any point

[uncut badger]

the dell doesn't

[glacial oracle]

oh

[drifting grove]

For now I just want to future proof my system for at least a few years with the cheapest and best option for HA.

[uncut badger]

maybe a usb 3 network card. (no idea how proxmox would interact)

[devout parrot]

Most people in here will recommend running pfsense and whatever on a separate machine from HA rather than have your home automation and router etc all on one single point of failure.

[glacial oracle]

(lets just say that works) dont ask how i know

if thats where you wana go with it, maybe a newer system may be better
beelink and minisforum offer rather good stuff - but cash money and so on

[drifting grove]

Oh, I’m definitely going to get a second mini to do anything else in that case

[glacial oracle]

tho realistically if you add enough memory, proxmox running linux vms is totally gonna be enough on a dual core system

[uncut badger]

I'm currently running on an i3-8130u. I'm using like 17% cpu. maxed out at 60% when I updated

(and that's on vmware)

[drifting grove]

So what would muck up my HA system if I’d go for that? Like the dell. Like you said more complex

[uncut badger]

the second interface complicates it 😉

[drifting grove]

Ah

@glacial oracle fancy stuff? HA related?

[glacial oracle]

some more, some less
not quite sure what ha can do with all the integrations that exist, but i imagine stuff that requires realtime data or works off video streams may sooner or later hit some limits

its more on the not just having plenty of sensors and tracking their states kind of thing

[drifting grove]

I have 6 cameras that I haven’t added into HA yet

[glacial oracle]

if it would have worked on the pi, either of those would likely do it aswell
but i know too little about that kind of integration

[drifting grove]

If I add them, it’s really just to display

[uncut badger]

that should be fine.

[cold moon]

Yes

[drifting grove]

And scenes, automations and devices? Say if I get a bunch of scenes running and automations running. Would that slow the system

[cold moon]

No

[drifting grove]

@devout parrot @glacial oracle @uncut badger Very helpful stuff, highly appreciated!

@cold moon I woke up this morning and my lights worked 😂

[cold moon]

woot

[frigid kayak]

anyone have a switch that kicks on the bathroom fan when it reaches x% humidity? I could have sworn I came across one that converts a two switch setup (one for lights and one for fan) and combine to one switch that does both ?

[cold moon]

https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-z-wave-plus-s2-double-switch-zen30-white-for-light-fan-combo

just for your googling needs, that is a double switch that can take a two gang box (like in a bathroom) and only need 1 gang box

it has a built in relay for the light switch and another relay for the fan, both which support smart bulb mode

[frigid kayak]

i actually have two of those that i use in my kids rooms.. i have the bottom button controlling the power to the fan/light combo and i use the rocker switch for an automation (power on the 3 outlets for their sound machines/plug in fans)

[cold moon]

it also has two leads off the light relay however the relay cannot switch only one off they are tied together

[frigid kayak]

but i thought i saw one that was used specifically for the humidity sensing

[cold moon]

i see

i'm sure there is some ge/jasco/embrighten one out there that i wouldnt buy

using a separate humidity sensor for it (binding if you want) is what i'd do

[frigid kayak]

thanks.. i'm still trying to decide what humidity/temp sensor to buy.. need like 6-8 of them

[cold moon]

i'm not very happy with my zooz multisensor

at least not to use it as an actual motion sensor

reasoning: if it sends an update for lux/temp/humidity then motion is triggered between 1-30 seconds after that, the fucking lights wont come on cuz it wont send an update more than every 30 seconds

[frigid kayak]

plus those are pricey ($45 x 8 = gulp..)

[cold moon]

kind of a problem with a fuckin motion sensor lol

[frigid kayak]

oh wow

[cold moon]

if you have a zigbee mesh buy the aqara 3.0 ones

they seem to get good reviews

and can be bought cheaper from alie

you also just missed out on the zooz sale if you were buying more stuff

the 4th sale was one of their best

[frigid kayak]

really stupid question.. how do i know? I have a smartthings hub and some zwave stuff

[cold moon]

ugh

[frigid kayak]

well crap

[cold moon]

idk dude smartthings is cloud bullshit

the hub might have zigbee built in, i think some do

i wouldnt use it regardless

and i'd move all your zwave shit over to zwave-js using a zooz700 usb stick

https://tubeszb.com/product/cc2652p2-based-zigbee-to-poe-coordinator-2023/ and i'd buy that for a zigbee coordinator and use z2m

or a usb one if you dont need poe and placement

[drifting grove]

So what y’all think of this one? It’s 151 cdn https://www.ebay.ca/itm/204369622812?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=7fNA4tufRgu&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=mc_orrt3r_o&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[cold moon]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385670237223 $80 for 8GB + 128GB SSD

2 generation newer cpu

and yours doesnt even come with an ssd or any drive for that matter

[drifting grove]

174.59 cdn

[cold moon]

yea idk i dont own any maple leaf currency

[drifting grove]

Yeah, didn’t like the idea of hunting for a ssd

[golden thorn]

I wouldn't buy a model with a T CPU.

[drifting grove]

Open a box of monopoly, pretty much the same thing

[frigid kayak]

looking at my smartthings web page / devices

i have a lot of zigbee devices..

[cold moon]

cool

kinda wild you didnt know that

[frigid kayak]

lol i know

so that tubeszb would replace my smartthings hub?

[cold moon]

well my suggestions still stand

it would replace the zigbee part

i suggested the zooz 700 above to replace the zwave part

[frigid kayak]

then i would need the other usb stick for zwave

[cold moon]

not the 800

[frigid kayak]

and what is the point of that again? replacing the samsung hub with those two? so everything is local or ??

[cold moon]

yes plus added functionality depending on device etc

[frigid kayak]

ok cool. thanks for the help!

[cold moon]

most people gladly leave behind smartthings in every capacity when moving over to home assistant

[devout parrot]

And better device compatibility. HA will be able to work with any of the devices your smartthings hub can, plus tons that it can't or that take a lot of messing around with to get working.

[frigid kayak]

i just found HA a week ago.. put a ton of hours into it and really really like it

[cold moon]

it's a gift.. it is our curse

[frigid kayak]

Lmao i can relate

[drifting grove]

@frigid kayak backups!!

[frigid kayak]

@cold moon , what about this one for zigbee? https://www.amazon.com/SONOFF-Gateway-Universal-Assistant-Wireless/dp/B09KXTCMSC?crid=32MLQKP2653CV&keywords=sonoff%2Bzigbee%2B3.0%2Busb%2Bdongle%2Bplus&qid=1657103625&sprefix=SONOFF%2BZIG,aps,579&sr=8-3&th=1&linkCode=sl1&tag=itead-20&linkId=c5f90248d938c2144ef97062ce65a8fa&language=en_US&ref_=as_li_ss_tl

[cold moon]

No

[golden thorn]

It's listed as recommended on the Z2M list but people seem to hate Sonoff a lot around here :p

[cold moon]

That looks like the e dongle which isn’t suggested for z2m which is what I suggested above

[golden thorn]

Base on TI CC2652P + CP2102N
Also states Model-P/ZBdongle-P on the 6th picture and technical details

[cold moon]

The p dongle is fine but on Amazon if it doesn’t show the chipset it’s usually E

[drifting grove]

What about the skyconnect?

[golden thorn]

Depends on the software. For Z2M no

[pallid prairie]

any ideas, the sonoff 3 dongle shows up as a new integration, asks for setup, I hit ok, it fails, and z2m stops working, hit restart on z2m an it works and the sonoff 3 goes away

[cold moon]

Yep you’re letting two programs try to control one usb stick

I think you just disable zha integration but it should be written out somewhere

[pallid prairie]

ok cool, so no big issue then

[cold moon]

2 girls 1 cup zigbee edition

[cold moon]

Well it is until you stop it from happening

[pallid prairie]

I'm not gonna do anything now, I have to wait 6 years for my hue firmware updates to finish

[cold moon]

you should've only done a few at a time

[pallid prairie]

define few

[cold moon]

three

[pallid prairie]

I've been doing like 5ish

[cold moon]

that's an arbitrary number

[pallid prairie]

beacuse 5 or ish

room by room

[cold moon]

i just do 3 cuz it seems to not slow down the mesh and the updates themselves dont seem to slow down too much with the updates

with like 5+ i saw everything crawling cuz you're going way over the limits of a zigbee mesh's bandwidth

[pallid prairie]

speaking of mesh

LQI, what should it be

[cold moon]

iirc it's 192 * 2 kbps max throughput

[cold moon]

you really should just jump to #zigbee-archived and ask there- it depends

[pallid prairie]

makes sense

I have like 40 - 140 on devices but I'll go over there and say whattup

[golden thorn]

> 0. But seriously, as long as everything works you can mostly ignore it. It's not a standardized value

[pallid prairie]

oh ok

cool

[cold moon]

Zigbee is typically used in low data rate applications that require long battery life and secure networking. (Zigbee networks are secured by 128 bit symmetric encryption keys.) Zigbee has a defined rate of up to 250 kbit/s, best suited for intermittent data transmissions from a sensor or input device. nvm even lower

[fleet moon]

https://www.amazon.com/Windows-Celeron-Processor-Gigabit-Ethernet/dp/B08HVQQ498 saw this recommended in the cameras channel on one of the websites ... is this sufficiently powerful to run a bunch of HA stuff with great performance? like including running a but of rtsp cameras, etc, etc

[cold moon]

hard no dawg

well yes to your answer cuz it's still better than a pi but dont buy that lol

[fleet moon]

lol

[cold moon]

you're wanting frigate right?

without a coral you want to be able to use openvino with an i series 6th gen or newer intel iirc

[fleet moon]

it passed over my thoughts

ahh

[cold moon]

https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/detectors/#openvino-detector

you can probably find a nice mini pc on sale during primeday next week

otherwise the used lenovo etc mini pcs are good options - but cpus are kind of old

$130
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285185388260 i have one of these running proxmox playing with stuff

idk if it's powerful enough for like 9 cams in frigate using openvino tho

prob need a few more cores

i'd hold off and see what prime day brings honestly

[pallid prairie]

I have 2

one I'm not using atm

it works great

[drifting grove]

@pallid prairie I’ll give you my address to send the one your not using over

[pallid prairie]

sure sure sure

[fleet moon]

@cold moon @pallid prairie ok cool, just bought one, i figure i should probably migrate from a Pi to some real hardware

[pallid prairie]

yeah I decided because I'm stupid 2 get 2 so I can keep HA segregated without making the lights stop working and my wife hate me

[fleet moon]

gotta figure out if there's a way i can get all this stuff mounted to the wall too ... how do people generally do that?

[pallid prairie]

I have a rack, and a 1U shelf I put the servers on

[cold moon]

Peg boards or a rack

[fleet moon]

lol. some automation i forgot i was fucking with ran this morning at 6:30, so an uplight went off and my wife goes, babe, what have you been doing? lol

[pallid prairie]

this discord doesn't allow pictures

[cold moon]

Just not metal and don’t put zigbee or zwave dongles near usb ports, ssds, Wi-Fi access points, etc

[fleet moon]

i was thinking peg board yeah ... i don't want to try to fit a rack in the small space under the stairs

[pallid prairie]

zigbee dongle is usb... ?

[drifting grove]

@fleet moon I broke my entire system for a few days and my roommate was losing his shit.

[pallid prairie]

https://ibb.co/0yb5NTD

[fleet moon]

nice rack ;P

[golden thorn]

Everything's so out of focus

[pallid prairie]

thanks, I label things on it like a lunatic now

[fleet moon]

my wife knows this house is constantly running some form of alpha or beta software. as long as i don't fuck with the controls in the youngest kids room, i'm alive

[pallid prairie]

it's not blurry in person, only that picture cause of the internet or whatever

[fleet moon]

though a rack might be nice so i can fit the Synology NAS in there too

[pallid prairie]

I have a NAS too I'm gonna incorporate at some point

probably 3 years from now at my current pace

[cloud tiger]

Anyone see any Matter buttons yet? Trying to find a reliable button for HA. Tried the shelly but it can be slow/unresponsive

[fleet moon]

@cold moon and this little PC i can throw a linux variant on it, and run HA from docker or whatever yeah?

[cold moon]

Yep

Proxmox is popular these days

[pallid prairie]

I'm using proxmox

[fleet moon]

wtf is proxmox, haven't heaard of this?

[cold moon]

Debian with a gui

Made for clustering and use as a hypervisor

[pallid prairie]

it's meant for running containers of other OS, VM that sort of thing

[fleet moon]

gotcha

just as long as i can wipe windows off of the fucker, i'm happy 😛

[cold moon]

Use the windows tool provided by lenovo to update the bios first

Otherwise you gotta use Rufus and do some bullshit with cli and hope you don’t fuck up

Ask me how I know lol

[fleet moon]

hahaha

[steady void]

I'm looking for a pressure sensor (air pressure up to 40-50 psi or around 2 bar).
Best thing was if I could control the pressure as well but that could be solved with a solenoid I guess.
I guess I would have to DYI this but I'll ask here first if someone knows of something pre built that works in HA.

[timid ether]

yes, ventilation/fan

[acoustic ice]

https://helper-scripts.com

[bitter shale]

@fleet moon HAOS + Proxmox (uses TTeck scripts): https://www.derekseaman.com/2023/06/home-assistant-proxmox-ve-8-0-quick-start-guide.html

[stable hemlock]

Greetings all, I am in the US and looking for Wifi outlets/smart plugs. Looking for something that is fairly well supported in HA

Power monitoriung would be nice, but not ciritcal.

[cold moon]

smart outlets kind of dont exist

smart plugs - wifi with power monitoring - definitely do and there are quite a few good options

i personally suggest sonoff s31 wifi plugs flashed to esphome

[stable hemlock]

Sorry that's what i meant

[cold moon]

or buy plugs that are pre-flashed such as athom wifi esphome plugs

these all include power monitoring and are working well for me (i have 6 sonoff s31 flashed to esphome)

the downside to the s31 is you have to take them apart to flash and it's kind of a bitch

https://cloudfree.shop/product/sonoff-s31-flashed-with-tasmota/

guess you can buy them preflashed with tasmota and just flash over to esphome if you wanted to go that route without needing to take them apart

[stable hemlock]

Intersting, I will check those out! Thanks!

[cold moon]

https://imgur.com/a/eEgvSeg here's what they look like in esphome and home assistant

[stable hemlock]

So many printers! 😉

How much of a bitch is the flashing process?

[devout parrot]

I thought they were easy to take apart, it's just that it's a pain attaching the wires for flashing?

[cold moon]

it is unless you buy the pogo pins

i went with hardmode and had to solder on to the tiny pads times 6

[cold moon]

https://imgur.com/a/A5o2dP9 only 5...

[stable hemlock]

Oh nice, I need to check out cams at some point too

[cold moon]

there are video tutorials for it

i cant find a pogo pin link with a quick search just a 3d printed part using dupont cables

either way i highly suggest them

https://dpaste.org/R7XCh

here's the esphome yaml so you dont have to go searching to find better shit than what is suggested on the esphome website

[rich venture]

why are your imgur links tagged as nsfw?

[cold moon]

cuz my onlyfans posts come from the same ip

jk it's cuz i dont have an account to login so they auto do that now

As of May 15, image-hosting site Imgur will no longer allow nudity, pornography, or sexually explicit content and remove any images that fall under that umbrella. The expected impact is noteworthy, considering Imgur's decades-long reputation for hosting all sorts of high-resolution images

[rich venture]

sus

[cold moon]

so they purged all content that wasnt sfw and tag all content posted by anonymous uploaders as potentially nsfw

i'm not about to create an account tho

so here we are

[rich venture]

ah

imagine not having your own image hosting website

[cold moon]

imagine clicking links to unknown domains

zero trust ma fucka

[rich venture]

discord embeds them anyway, no need for click

[cold moon]

im not loading some random person's s3 bucket

[cold moon]

no.. they dont.. here..

it's disabled

[rich venture]

why is it even disabled?

[cold moon]

you gotta be a cool kid with a role which many are not

ask the mods or read the #rules

doesnt matter we cant change it

just gotta live within the box we've got

[gloomy spoke]

why is it even disabled?
It's quite simple - people post blurry screenshots of their code, which are hard to read and annoying to help debug

embeds are allowed on channels where users are more likely to post actual images for good reason

[cold moon]

#hardware-archived still has my vote 🙂

remembers he has no vote

[gloomy spoke]

done and done (I think)

[cold moon]

holy

i asked tinkerer and he said he asked the mod team and there was no resounding yes so it didnt happen

[gloomy spoke]

don't post any damn blurry screenshots of text

[cold moon]

thank you.. i think #hardware-archived makes a lot of sense, since we post images.. of.. #hardware-archived lol

[gloomy spoke]

same with #frontend-archived and #devs_frontend-archived

[cold moon]

ya for sure

[gloomy spoke]

doesn't seem controversial

[terse pebble]

Blurry hardware

[cold moon]

i agree with the logic

[gloomy spoke]

someone is welcome to override my executive decision, but most of them are probably asleep right now

[cold moon]

i will file that under 'dont snitch'

[cold moon]

also #diy-archived

same reasoning for sure

people have behaved there so far

[terse pebble]

Nah... that gif is too bad

[gloomy spoke]

it's not intended to be punitive, just to discourage unhelpful posts

[cold moon]

i understand

[rich venture]

external mqtt server

[cold moon]

straight to jail

@stable hemlock example of not-soldering-to-pads

https://alfter.us/2021/12/12/using-the-sonoff-s31-with-esphome-first-time-flash/ image taken from here

[stable hemlock]

Ahh nice loos like he’s using alligator clips must be darned small tips on them

[cold moon]

for sure

[gloomy spoke]

that's more elegant than sticking some bent wires in there and holding still

[cold moon]

https://digiblur.com/wiki/devices/plugs/sonoff_s31/

[rich venture]

those are hook leads

[cold moon]

there's some premade pogo pins i just cant find them to link

[stable hemlock]

From the 3d printable clip “The pogo-pins I used are 0.68 mm in diameter and 16 mm in length”

[cold moon]

Cool

[rich venture]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002769256233.html
this?

[cold moon]

Maybe it’s been a while

[hexed galleon]

Is there something like shelly devices but on zwave or zigbee with competitive price

[fringe crater]

zooz has a shelly-like zwave relay module I think its not that expensive. zen51 or zen52

[slow anvil]

any recommendations for a multi-channel relay for low voltage switching? I'm trying to take those "Press Me" buttons you find on decorations in the store and keep them connected to said decoration then run the cables connected to the "Press Me" button (with the button removed and the wire stripped) into a relay where I can remotely turn on all of my decorations at once rather than having to go one by one by hand.

[rotund burrow]

anyone know of any good cheap amoled phones for use as an HA wall switch ?

*android phones

maybe a pixel2

[devout parrot]

Sonoff ZBMINI ( neutral ) or ZBMINI-L2 (no neutral). No detached relay mode on those though.

[cold moon]

#diy-archived message check what I suggested here yesterday

[slow anvil]

That is perfect! I can even print a case for them.

[cold moon]

@velvet granite made a case for his maybe he can share the STL

his github i linked in the messages yesterday

[slow anvil]

Which channel?

[cold moon]

https://github.com/gzcwnk/Public-esp32-rangehood-controller

he'll reply later he's in new zealand fighting elves or something

i didnt see an stl there we'll have to wait 😛

[sharp jewel]

Any suggestions for a Wifi security camera floodlight?

[cold moon]

there is no such thing as a "wifi" security camera man

[sharp jewel]

they have to be hard wi9red?

[cold moon]

security cameras are PoE powered on a battery backup not wifi able to be pwned by a 12 year old with a github account lol

[sharp jewel]

lol

[cold moon]

"github repo wifi denial"

that on google produces quite a few results

[sharp jewel]

Do I need a dataport for my cameraS?

[cold moon]

https://github.com/topics/deauthentication-attack ah nice a repo of repos

well

you really want cameras that get power and data from ethernet

i think you are thinking about analog cameras

not really something people buy now except the grandmas that dont know any better buying the random swan nvr bullshit at costco

as far as actual camera suggestions you should jump to #cameras-archived but usually the answer is it depends on what the end goal of the cam is

and how much $ you are looking to spend

[devout parrot]

Most "floodlight cameras" are going to be WiFi, you don't want that if you actually want them to provide some kind of security.
If you want floodlight for lighting and deterrent get a good old fashioned dumb motion floodlight or rig up some smart stuff.

I have two dumb floodlights, one hardwire one solar, plus I gutted my porch light because the built in motion sensor sucks and replaced that functionality with a Zigbee bulb and an Aqara P1. All my cameras are POE like the lord intended.

[simple badge]

Reco on small light weight outdoor sensors for a gate? (Basic open/close state)

[simple badge]

Saw some post of someone recommending https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-Door-Window-Sensor-Kit/dp/B09TP7VMKB and just nail polishing for barrier. Seems interesting.

[meager gale]

Anyone know of a zigbee switch like a zbmini or zbmini-l that supports so called detached relay mode? certified for use in Australia?

[devout parrot]

If you could find some way to waterproof the electronic part of the device it would probably work. Battery life might suffer from being exposed to outdoor temperatures though.

[tacit burrow]

Detached relay mode?

[meager gale]

where you can set it to a mode that the switch no longer controls the relay so the bulb is always powered

.. regardless of switch position

[plain wharf]

What motion sensors are good with Home Assistant and ZHA these days?

I'd like a short "rearm" time. Many of the cheeper ones have a minute or so, that is way too long

[tacit burrow]

I have the hue motion sensor, it’s zigbee, but probably a bit expensive

[devout parrot]

My Aqara P1 works well with ZHA and has an adjustable detection interval, I think from 10 seconds to 3 minutes.

[plain wharf]

I have two of those, but one seems to malfunction, so will need to replace it. I like HUE, but was curious if there is other (as good) alternatives. It would also be great if upgrade of firmware could be done from ZHA...

[plain wharf]

That sounds really interesting! Think it'll be one for test. Thanks 🙂

[stiff yarrow]

is there any scenario with add-on etc where high performance is necessary? I got it installed on a Ryzen 5600G w 16GB ram on a SSD but feel like it may be overkill

[zealous dune]

Quite an overkill

Video processing or compiling are some of the addon things benefiting from a fast CPU

[stiff yarrow]

I got 4 cameras from Reolink I will try to integrate, does showing camera feed include your demanding video processing scenario?

[zealous dune]

Not as much for 4 cameras

[stiff yarrow]

Ok thanks, any examples of uses where compile speed would be noticable?

[uncut badger]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Cleqee-Leads-Silicone-Cables-20AWG/dp/B08H5HW1SZ/ I suspect it's something similar to this.

[thin latch]

Is there any touch screen that has a computer built in with PoE support?

Prefer at least 1080p screen

[stable hemlock]

Perfect, i found an equivalent in the US

[cold moon]

@spare cradle #hardware-archived message start here to my conversation yesterday about sonoff s31 Wi-Fi plugs

we got off track a little bit so you might need to skip a bit of it

[spare cradle]

Hmm, I see a KAUF branded plug that claims to support ESPHome on Amazon.

[cold moon]

there are many chinese brands that use identical hardware

[spare cradle]

Hmm, I see some Athom plugs on Amazon, but they don't mention ESPHome. I don't really want to go modifying plugs.

[cold moon]

are you in the us?

[spare cradle]

Yes.

[cold moon]

https://www.athom.tech/esphome

https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/us-v2-plug-for-esphome

[cold moon]

it sounds weird but you really arent modifying them

you're just flashing the "smart part" aka the microcontroller inside

this isnt fucking with the safety of how it interacts with mains voltage

you can buy preflashed ones if you dont want to manually take them apart though

https://cloudfree.shop/product/sonoff-s31-flashed-with-tasmota/ these come preflashed with tasmota which is basically esphome

you can find ones that are instead flashed to esphome directly or flash those.. or just buy the preflashed athom versions

you have options

[spare cradle]

Yeah, I'd prefer preflashed honestly. Hmm, Seems like Athom doesn't have an official Amazon store. Just hate paying an extra $8 shipping and having to wait a week or two...

[cold moon]

athom is a chinese brand with an american storefront

you can buy even cheaper directly from aliexpress

including more options

[spare cradle]

Yeah, I've been known to pay double to not use Aliexpress... 🙂 I get it though.

[cold moon]

i see

[spare cradle]

I mean, if they had two day shipping for those prices, maybe.

Thanks though - that really helped!

I'm going to try the KAUF brand - had reviews saying it was P&P with HA.

[cold moon]

i have no experience with those

[spare cradle]

Yeah, I get it. I was already a bit frustrated that HA seems to recommend the Skyconnect, which they don't sell on Amazon. Again dealing with USPS and waiting a week. Just charge $5 more and sell it on Amazon... 🙂

[cold moon]

i wouldnt suggest that coordinator personally

[spare cradle]

I can play around with Zigbee when it gets here.

[cold moon]

and looked at kauf i dont think i'd buy those either

they're probably fine i just dont like the layout

button on the side like most other plugs is better imo

[spare cradle]

Fair enough. I'm just limiting myself to things I can buy and use as-is with Amazon Prime shipping, at least for one plug.

[cold moon]

i see

generally that's a bad idea with home assistant

it's very subjective per product tho

[spare cradle]

Yeah, I get it. That's part of what I liked about Insteon. Sure, you pay $50 per plug/whatever, but everything supported mesh with everything else and it was pretty reliable, and it was all on Amazon. 🙂

I think they just got clobbered when it all went mainstream and they weren't really set up for Apple/whatever.

[cold moon]

nah i mean the good shit isnt necessarily on amazon

[spare cradle]

I get it. If I decide to upgrade later I can always do so. The plug only cost $13, and I'll have it tomorrow. So I can automate my AC tomorrow, and always upgrade it if I decide to do something else. Vs having to flip it off and on manually for weeks until I figure out what I'm doing. 🙂

[cold moon]

this is the esphome interface in home assistant

[spare cradle]

Yeah, I'll read up on it. Thanks! This was very helpful!

[cold moon]

esphome is multiple things- it is open source firmware which is flashed on a device

but it is also a program / addon for haos that you install and lets you control / update / program devices via this interface

esphome was also acquired by nabu casa (who owns home assistant) so the integration is very nice

[spare cradle]

Yeah, I do prefer going that route in general. However, I've just tended to try to prefer getting stuff like that pre-flashed. Even back when I was using OpenWRT it was nicer getting a router with vendor support for it.

[spare cradle]

Oh, that's good to know.

[cold moon]

https://dpaste.org/UuJUC here is the yaml i use for my smart plugs

https://devices.esphome.io/devices/Sonoff-S31#basic-configuration this is basically how it works

[spare cradle]

Honestly, I haven't really gotten into HA as much as I probably ought to. I was kinda desperate to replace OpenHAB and mostly focused on just getting everything running. I haven't really stopped to look at what I can do with it that I'm not already doing.

[uncut badger]

the integration is a third part, which has to be handled separately. Just because you have the addon, it doesn't mean that your esphome devices will immediately work. Still needs them added.

[cold moon]

you go to esphome and you look at a template and then you copy that code and change whatever you wannt

and then you flash that code onto whatever esphome devices you have

[uncut badger]

(I've seen a person have a misunderstanding there.)

[spare cradle]

Uh, yeah, that is definitely not what I was expecting.

A reviewer called it plug-and-play, which doesn't sound like having to flash the plug.

I guess we'll see what happens.

[uncut badger]

It really depends what you're doing with it.

[cold moon]

the plug will be running old firmware and probably not optimized

[spare cradle]

Honestly, the only thing I REALLY need it to do is turn off and on remotely.

[uncut badger]

When I've done stuff, HA has autodetected that the devices exist, and offered to add them.

[cold moon]

you can choose not to update it

but i would...

[spare cradle]

What would be the benefit of updated firmware?

[cold moon]

you literally click "update" in the esphome addon

[spare cradle]

Ah, well, that's not a big deal.

[cold moon]

bug fixes...

[spare cradle]

Just don't want to go playing with JTAG/etc. 🙂

[cold moon]

that's only for the initial flashing using an ftdi adapter

if they already have esphome you dont need to do that

you just do it OTA over wifi

[uncut badger]

getting started with esphome also means you get comfortable starting to play with the other things you can do 😉

Like using them for bluetooth proxies. voice assistant endpoints, speakers. that kind of thing 🙂

[cold moon]

here's what they look like inside of home assistant for me

if i wanted i could edit the yaml i shared above and add a "restart" button for example

that is the power of esphome - adding functionality / changing the functionality

switch:
  - platform: gpio
    name: "${friendly_devicename}"
    icon: "mdi:power-socket-us"
    pin: GPIO12
    id: relay
    restore_mode: ALWAYS_OFF

that is in the yaml i shared above too for the plug. it looks scary but all that is doing is telling it whether to give power or not after a restart / power loss. well it's also defining what pin the relay is on but you dont need to know that

i.e. you'd change that to ALWAYS_ON for like a fridge, washing machine, etc

[devout parrot]

I should really get some of those S31's.

[cold moon]

it be like that

i have 6 and they've been great

https://github.com/leofabri/hassio_appliance-status-monitor i still need to set this up for my washing machine

i think if i say it enough times i might actually do it

[devout parrot]

That's one thing I want to do with them.

Push a TTS message and a notification when the washer is done since you can't really hear "upstairs" when it finishes and sometimes we forget.

You have a recommended USB bridge for flashing?

[cold moon]

Yes

https://www.amazon.com/DSD-TECH-Adapter-FT232RL-Compatible/dp/B07BBPX8B8

add ?tag=smarthomesell-20 on the end if you want to give me free money (like 40 cents?)

maybe 30 lol

[devout parrot]

If I wanted to use alligator clips how small are those going to need to be?

[frigid kayak]

I have a 4 gang / switch in my house and I want to go down to 2 switches (don’t use the other 2 and it makes more room for the bulkier smart switches. Has anyone ever seen a decorative faceplate cover that takes a 4 gang opening and covers it but with only two switch openings?

[cold moon]

no but make sure whatever you buy is made out of the right materials for fire code

there are lots of shops on etsy etc that will 3d print something out of PLA (bad) and fire code requires it to take so long for it to melt and be made out of specific materials because once it melts that becomes a new source of oxygen for the fire to breathe

[uncut badger]

if you're hooking into holes, consider hook clip test probes rather than alligator clips.

[cold moon]

it's pads not holes

[uncut badger]

ahh. 🙂

[frigid kayak]

Didn’t even think of that. Thanks!

[cold moon]

yup

"If you make that of it from ul94 v0 material You're fine https://www.3dxtech.com/product/firewire-flame-retardant-abs/ " - quote from industrial engineer and a link to a product that should be up to snuff

UL approved sounds promising

but it seems to only come in black which is kind of a deal breaker for a light switch lol

[cold moon]

i will admit that most homes go up in flames in a matter of minutes so this, although true, probably doesnt matter as much as we'd hope

https://www.ready.gov/home-fires - A fire can become life-threatening in just two minutes. A residence can be engulfed in flames in five minutes.

[devout parrot]

Could always paint it whatever color and hit it with some clear coat

[glacial oracle]

If anyone thinks about picking up something like an eq12 to run haos and is kinda unsure I may just put some of my thoughts to share here.
Out of the box it is a rather noisy box which is not very efficient at doing its job for whatever reason. I pretty much disabled all onboard devices which are not required but still cant get it to idle below 9ish w running just proxmox and haos. (cpu related stuff set to powersave both in proxmox and the bios presets, with tdp target reduced down to 15w)
The default fan settings are very much horrible, turning on the fan at 80+% pretty much the moment you power on the device. Its not particularly loud but you probably cant sleep next to it. Not quite sure what the optimal settings for it are as the configuration options are pretty limited but iIdecided on 50/55*c as toggle point for the cpu fan and a reduced starting speed of 25%. Hope it doesnt melt the abs case...

[devout parrot]

Yeah it's pads and I'm hoping to avoid soldering.

[cold moon]

Just buy pre flashed with esphome and flash over ota..

[devout parrot]

But that's nowhere near as much fun.

[cold moon]

Then 3d print that pogo pin thing with DuPont connectors

[ebon cipher]

any suggestions for a board level 120v to 5v power supply for powering ESP devices? I'm wanting to build my own enclosures.

[real kiln]

Hello im looking for some temp and humidity devices battery powered to hook to HA, is there reliable and affordable products ? (Eu, wifi)

[outer knot]

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

• Which country you're in
• What your budget is
• What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
• Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)

[winged knoll]

Personally I'd recommend the Xiaomi Aqara (Zigbee) ones

[real kiln]

Is it reliable for humidity ? The few diy sensors I tried often bad at humidity

[cold moon]

The aqara zigbee 3.0 devices are highly recommended here

The older ones work well too but have a few quirks

But are a lot cheaper especially on Ali e

[winged knoll]

I've had zero issues with any of mine

[cold moon]

I’m also rocking the older window / door sensors

Every once in a while the one on my pantry fails to trigger

It might just need a re pair tho

[winged knoll]

Last 48 hours from one of mine

[real kiln]

Did you test them together ?

[cold moon]

?

Btw you will need an existing zigbee mesh to use these

Do you have one?

If not, what is you doin?

[real kiln]

Not yet, I need an usb key for that right ?

[cold moon]

That’s one option

[winged knoll]

You need some form of Zigbee coordinator

[cold moon]

That would be a zigbee coordinator

[real kiln]

Until now I was playing with esps

[cold moon]

Those are fun too

Diy sensors are just worse in most ways for stuff like pir tho

Unless it’s a specific use case

[real kiln]

And now i have project of many sensors in big house for long time monit

[cold moon]

Lol

[real kiln]

Why lol ?

[cold moon]

Why not?

[real kiln]

Ok 😉

Do you recommand any coordinator ?

[cold moon]

Let’s jump to #zigbee-archived

[devout parrot]

"a few quirks" heh

[cold moon]

Well basically

If they’re added in their final location with a good mesh they justworktm

[vapid socket]

Hi folks,
I'm looking for an outdoor temperature sensor, but it's kinda difficult finding one that does not cost ~150€ 😦
Any idea for a cheap device with zigbee support that I can leave in the rain outside?

[unique ravine]

Hi
I am using a zigbee temp sensor from tuya.
Mine does not lay in the rain but is sticked to wood of the window
Above so it does not get wet.
Is that maybe a solution?
Sensor was like a 10ner maybe cover it in glue so it is water proof?
It may work, if it breaks oh wel u tried its a cheap sensor

[winged knoll]

If you seal it then the humidity sensor won't work

[unique ravine]

Yeah that's true.
But if he does not care about that

[winged knoll]

I'd also expect that at best it causes problems with temperature sensing

As long as you're fine with delays in temperature sensor, and wrong readings...

[unique ravine]

I dont know how they work, but yeah u may be right, again if he can put it outside somewhere it does not get wet,
it may be fine wont it?
mine is already outside for more then a year and it still works

[winged knoll]

Without knowing where in the world, and what the conditions are like, we'd only be guessing

[karmic wolf]

Hey guys! Just trying to make sure I'm in the right section

Can I ask about the FP2's integration here?

[winged knoll]

Read the channel topic @karmic wolf 😉

[karmic wolf]

Gotcha! Thanks, I'm not very discord savvy

[halcyon trellis]

hi, im looking at a zigbee/thread dongle for my server (running home assistant in docker rn) and i've seen the sonoff plus e dongle, only thing im thinking of is the lack of thread support without custom firmware, although i doubt that zigbee2mqtt could handle thread so is it worth just getting that one?

[devout parrot]

#zigbee-archived can help with that

[halcyon trellis]

moving over now

[fleet moon]

is there a good outdoor motion sensor that is zigbee ... or zwave i guess

[winged knoll]

Hue do an outdoor sensor

[fleet moon]

https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hue-Outdoor-Wireless-Required/dp/B07NDFQF2T/ref=asc_df_B07NDFQF2T?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80470624769003&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584070153175700&psc=1

that one?

i guess the new one but, i'll grab one ... that'll be fun

thanks

[tacit totem]

hey, any recommendations for a good wifi microphone/speaker to use with home assistant? I plan to use it with rhasspy; follow-up question: does Google Nest Mini work with rhasspy?

[winged knoll]

No it won't, because it (like Alexa) only work with their ecosystem

[tacit totem]

shame, I was hoping just connecting it to HA and it would be an option to take audio input to trigger automations

[sudden minnow]

You can use assist using the microphone on any tablet, I also have an M5Echo with battery which also works quite well for a 20GBP gadget (echo and battery pack) and you don't need anything other than the ESPHome template from the HA blog

[tacit totem]

is there a way to trigger assist with a wake word?

[sudden minnow]

Not yet. Review the Year of the Voice Part 2 video for the reasons.