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broken grail
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and do you have multiple nodes or just the one?

peak talon
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it is the ecosystem, security to start with. and sometimes it is not just benefit, it is about learning. the world is on k8s 🙂

broken grail
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yeah I've been wanting an excuse to learn k8s more, I do a little bit with it at work but I'm still kinda newbish

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I see there's a terraform provider for home assistant that's cool

peak talon
broken grail
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ah cool

peak talon
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so i often bring down the home cluster when I am away and everything moves to Oracle and other nodes in Cloud VMs. when I back home, they are automatically spun up. just saving some "tiny" power 🙂

broken grail
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do you have any helm charts or argocd ci/cd stuff setup for it?

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we use terraform for kubernetes at work but we're switching to argocd which seems pretty cool

peak talon
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i don't like helm charts, I build my own manifests. Helm in my opnion restrict learnning argocd is for production, but I often playaround with gitea, drone ci and stuff

broken grail
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yeah helm is kinda better for production but not learning if that's your goal I guess since it automates too much

peak talon
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there is nothing fancy about argocd, once you have setup, it runs pretty fine. but you get bored and not learn 🙂

broken grail
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nice I'll check out putting stuff on k8s for this, should be fun

peak talon
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check out Gitea to maintain your own repos. then use Drone CI and runner with Ansible to automate stuff

peak talon
broken grail
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why would you need to use ansible to manage containers on kubernetes though? instead of changing the config on the container wouldn't you just rebuild the container and deploy it?

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or are you managing the actual k8s cluster with ansible?

peak talon
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ansible pretty much for everything, like even getting the k8s states to HA

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for e.g ansible sends out a state to HA via webhook when any pods are failing - say restarted 10 times

broken grail
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gotcha, I mostly use github actions for that type of stuff, but thats because we're doing cloud mostly, for home stuff where you can't authenticate any other way than SSH I can see ansible more useful

peak talon
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HA then depending upon my convenience notifies me

broken grail
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oh you're using ansible to communicate WITH home assistant, thats cool

peak talon
broken grail
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gotcha, yeah if you lose internet then gh actions is down I can see how that would be a problem for home/local

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I'm going to look into all this, seems like a lot of fun. Ive been learning kubernetes but its hard without a project to throw yourself into

peak talon
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most of my devices are either wifi or zigbee. hence, in my home cluster, I sometime only run Z2M which is sending data to the Oracle cluster where all the HA, EMQx ...evrything runs, but if internet goes down, home cluster HA is automatically spun up. I lose the tracking for that instance and history, but that is okay, it gets synced when internet is back, which is nowadays pretty rare

peak talon
broken grail
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do you like zigbee over zwave?

cold moon
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hass in the cloud is silly dude...

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you're the only person i've ever seen say they run home assistant not on their lan

broken grail
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I think he's just doing it to save on power since he gets the oracle free tier. Would be interested to know how much you're saving though

peak talon
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zwave devices are either non-existent or expensive. zigbee is alnmost everywhere and coords are easy to find by

cold moon
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that's not accurate

karmic cargo
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Can anyone point me in the direction of some smart bulbs that would be suitable for stage lighting?
We need to light up our church stage but definitely don't have the budget (nor desire) for a full blown stage lighting setup. Something where we can adjust color & brightness and still throw enough light from a 30' ceiling to be able to see & video well.
I'm open to any tech - WiFi, ZigBee, ZWave, whatever. It'll be a new HA setup, so I'll get the appropriate hub.

peak talon
broken grail
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are you doing it just to save on power?

peak talon
cold moon
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latency is absolutely an issue

peak talon
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if your cloud VM is hosted in your own close region, it is not. all my esphome devices instantly respond.

cold moon
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whatever you say

gilded cedar
outer knotBOT
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@peak talon I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
karmic cargo
cold moon
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frankly i'd join the wled discord and ask there or the drzzs discord and ask in their led channel (they have a lot of people who literally only do shows like that and have a lot of information to share)

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you'd still need a controller to run them

karmic cargo
cold moon
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yep

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you'd probably benefit from something like a kulp or other controller or even the new dig octa setup due to the amount of outputs available

peak talon
cold moon
peak talon
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Those LED strip could be controlled by ESPHome which are very well integrated in HA

gilded cedar
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Don't those projects tend to need crazy power for RGBWW?

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Like, recycled server PSU tier?

cold moon
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he'll be using 12v/24v led strips with a lot of power yeah

karmic cargo
cold moon
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with meanwell psus not recycled w/e for a production. those are fine for home for sure

cold moon
peak talon
karmic cargo
cold moon
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ok

karmic cargo
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^ result of random web searching...

peak talon
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@broken grail if you do plan on k8s...i recommend you start with k3s https://www.k3s.io this product from rancher is pightweight and gets you started woth k8s base built in. 1 command line and 30 secs later, you k8s single node cluster is up

peak talon
karmic cargo
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meh. 😦 Seemed like a reasonable option up until that.

peak talon
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Yeah, they used to have esp chips with custom fimrware which could be overwirtten, then they pushed a fix to patch that...thrn they chnaged the chip itself - most now use beken. And community now has answer to that as well. 😃

karmic cargo
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I might suggest replacing the house lighting with some of the same Sengled bulbs I use at home. At least we'd have dimmable lights from 2700-6000k and could control the lights with one click instead of 9 switches... That'd get my foot in the door.

cold moon
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sengled are some of the worst zigbee options especially due to them not being routers (repeaters) for the mesh

broken grail
peak talon
broken grail
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I don't feel like fucking with azure/oracle tbh, I hate azure and I can't imagine I'd like oracle any better.

peak talon
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Avoid AWS, unless ypu have a new accpunt as they often charge for anything...bad experience with them

broken grail
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but I already ordered that NUC

peak talon
broken grail
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its not VMs that I care about, I just hate azure in general, to me its confusing and stupid

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just a bad taste in my mouth from incidents we had and decided to get rid of it at work

cold moon
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oracle is universally hated both as a company and as a cloud service fwiw

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heh

broken grail
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I like GCP except when I tried to run kubernetes learning nodes I was told I couldn't get my quota for VMs increased on my personal free tier, even if I offered to upgrade my free tier and pay for them

cold moon
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big monolith in its death throws just like ibm

peak talon
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All clpud services are bad as they try to integrate various services. aws is provably worst in ky experince. So i just use their cloud vms and remain in free tier quota . I run the agent nodes there and strictly control what workloads are assigned. It's like a challenge to not have any charge bu monitorung network etc vy using their api 😃

broken grail
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oracle is really not liked because it bouht some acquisitions and ruined them, and their cloud provider is supposed to suck too

peak talon
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Okay
Oracle free tier is best out of the rest due to their Ampere system with 24GB ram and you never get charged unless you upgrade.

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And 10 TB egress free

broken grail
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honestly I don't even have time to learn other clouds, its hard enough doing go, containers/k8s, and gcp stuff

cold moon
peak talon
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You are not learning cloud. Using cloudVM, you just install linux on vm and and rest all within that vm...dockers , k8s ...all yours

broken grail
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gotcha. Yeah true if you're just setting up VMs I guess

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But hopefully the electricity bill of hosting it locally isnt that big of a deal

peak talon
broken grail
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I can see that being a good learning challenge. You should mine crypto or something with it.

peak talon
broken grail
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but I have enough learning challenges at the moment

cold moon
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{{in the scope of home assistant}}

peak talon
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Okay whatever you say 😃

broken grail
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@cold moon so do you use zigbee or zwave normally?

cold moon
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i use both

broken grail
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I'm on that part of your video now

cold moon
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i have zigbee bulbs and zwave light switches

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however you can buy zigbee light switches now that dont suck (inovelli blue) but they are $50 each and backordered 2months+

broken grail
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whats the process for installing these? You gotta cut off the breaker and wire them electrically?

cold moon
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yep

broken grail
cold moon
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i wanted smart bulbs and smart switches so i could do dimming / color temp change / rgb

broken grail
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what is a good recommended zbigbee bulb?

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and it says these are for only lights, not fans/exhaust, what about light switches that control both the fan and the light bulb in the fan?

cold moon
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hue bulbs they're just expensive

cold moon
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inovelli makes a blue version taht does fan

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otherwise there's a couple zwave options

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that's about it

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it's due to inrush current

broken grail
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phillips hue?

cold moon
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switch cant handle it

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philips hue

broken grail
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oh so the fan switches will handle light and fan both

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I might just try the novellis and do only the regular lights for now, leave the fans for something later.

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oh I see what you mean in regards to the bulbs, and you can change the color of the light for some of them, that's cool

peak talon
# broken grail oh so the fan switches will handle light and fan both

Once you have zigbee/zwave bulb. You actually don't need to be bothered about switch...just keep it on always. If ypu are on HA, Use any zigbee / zwave button or even any esphome diy to control bulbs. It is just another entity in HA that can be controller...voice if you prefer so

broken grail
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@cold moon when you got the hue bulbs, it says it can do more colors with the hue bridge included, did you get that and how did it work? Or can ha just handle the functionality it provides?

cold moon
broken grail
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lol thanks

cold moon
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buy a zigbee coordinator

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if money isnt an issue just buy a tube PoE coordinator with the cc2652p chipset

peak talon
broken grail
cold moon
broken grail
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yeah thats the one I got

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I'm going to try this out with just the lighting, and then move on to media/thermostat etc...

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maybe security after

cold moon
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yeah

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i have zigbee bulbs and wled led strips turn on/off based on plex play states

peak talon
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They discontinued their 5 button remote that was even more awesome

cold moon
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i suggested it because you can put it centrally located in your home instead of wherever hass lives and it's proven hardware from others in #zigbee-archived

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otherwise the sonoff p dongle hanging off a usb extender plugged into your nuc running hass is the next thing i'd suggest

broken grail
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its basically the wireless controller for zigbee items?

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I'm not really understanding what you mean by being able to centrally locate it? Like you'd plug it into a PoE switch or router somewhere, and then what? Connect to it via ethernet to configure it?

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ah okay its auto detected on the network with HA

cold moon
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i prefer the latter z2m

cold moon
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also make sure to follow the steps to change the network_key, pan_id, and extended pan_id for security reasons

peak talon
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Mqtt is yet another container that you need to run

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So with z2m. Ypu can tecjnically have some another pc hosting z2m container (with dongle attached) and still connect to HA. But ZHA will require the zb coord to be placed on same machine

broken grail
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Oh, so you have to have the coordinator connected to a computer/pc, not just plugged into a PoE on a switch?

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even with z2m?

cold moon
broken grail
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but its a different pc?

cold moon
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It’s either or based on what coordinator you buy

broken grail
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oh okay, so with z2m it can just be over the network

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I bought the one above

broken grail
cold moon
broken grail
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the idea is I'm going to put the NUC downstairs, and buy a router to do openwrt with and have the coordinator with it in the center of the house

cold moon
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Doesn’t matter where hass lives on the nuc

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And you need a PoE switch or injector for the coordinator above

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It doesn’t come with one

broken grail
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yeah I'm wanting to buy a new router for open wrt anyways, so might find one that has PoE

cold moon
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I’m a UniFi fanboy myself

peak talon
broken grail
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I just got two cheap belkins, I want to play with openwrt, and i have 2 internet connections I'm going to combine

peak talon
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Sure whatever you have available

delicate ingot
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I would like a device that turn my regular switch into a light dimmer, but at the same time allow me to control other devices over Zigbee when double-clicking/long-clicking/etc. I have found loads of devices from Sonoff, Sunricher, Shelly, etc. that all seem to be missing the dimming functionality. To be used in Europe and budget is not important at this point. Hopefully I am just confused and missing the obvious. Thank you for any advice 🙂

outer knotBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
royal field
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Do you know of any Sound (not air) quality monitor devices that can be placed outside (so ip67 at least) and that play nice with HA or are open ?

wise gorge
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Dyson humidifiers linked to HA - Experience anyone ?

cold moon
eager plaza
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Hey all running hassos on a nuc and it's been randomly rebooting all of a sudden with the following log on hosts
Mar 27 12:42:10 homeassistant kernel: oom-kill:constraint=CONSTRAINT_NONE,nodemask=(null),cpuset=docker-18effed9fbdc9115325d4d43572ba357d88e0fef6cb72242bb8095b40d6df3b6.scope,mems_allowed=0,global_oom,task_memcg=/system.slice/docker-86d6a8fc27d91e041b3ec219dbe25616b5baee4fbb1a2038f6c2262d5d36d23f.scope,task=python3,pid=4433,uid=0
Mar 27 12:42:10 homeassistant kernel: Out of memory: Killed process 4433 (python3) total-vm:40519908kB, anon-rss:30665416kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB, UID:0 pgtables:76164kB oom_score_adj:-300
Mar 27 12:42:10 homeassistant systemd[1]: docker-86d6a8fc27d91e041b3ec219dbe25616b5baee4fbb1a2038f6c2262d5d36d23f.scope: A process of this unit has been killed by the OOM killer.

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Any idea what it could be?

winged knoll
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Out of memory

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You need more RAM, or to run less add-ons

eager plaza
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32gb ram

winged knoll
paper zealot
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hey guys i am trying to use a Sonoff Zigbee Mini L2 Extreme within an old 2-way-switch-control. the only instruction i found which meets my cable installation referrs to a shelly 1l. its written that you have to put the shelly to edge type. my installation doesnt work properly and i-am wondering if there is an edge type for the sonoffs too.

flint totem
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Running that in the SSH add-on gives me no processes above 0% CPU usage. But my CPU is still pinned, even in the VM page itself in Proxmox's UI. Did someone get into my machine? Am I mining Bitcoin without noticing it?

unkempt folio
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Hi all, does anyone know if the "shelly uni" could be used to switch an AV 12v trigger?

golden thorn
safe kestrel
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Hi everyone! I have 8 Tradfri bulbs, connected to home assistant core with a conbee 2 zigbee usb stick. 6 are correctly recognized as white/warm white lamps. 2 however, are recognized as color bulbs (they show the color wheel etc). Can I change these to white/warm white?

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All lamps report to HA as "TRADFRIbulbGU10WS345lm"

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  • they all have the same firmware
winged knoll
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#zigbee-archived can help with that, at least if you tell them if you're using ZHA, Zigbee2MQTT, or deCONZ

safe kestrel
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Ok, I will try there. Thanks!!

remote pilot
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looking for light bulbs in Canada, any recommended brands that won't break the bank?
I think I just want some kind of E26 / A19 style maybe warm with dimming. I'd like zigbee ones but seems like there's all these BLE and wifi too. not sure why zigbee seems to be a bit more expensive at least on amazon

winged knoll
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Tradfri's CT bulbs are fine

remote pilot
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ah okay, I do have a couple of those since they seemed good price wise and I got the remote bundle. a bit expensive but I guess depends on how reliable and long lived they are

shrewd gorge
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Most seem to run at the name, but my Tuya WiFi bulbs seem to work surprisingly well. I've been using some daily for 2.5 years with little headache.

remote pilot
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Do they run on 2.4ghz?

winged knoll
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Most WiFi "IoT" things will

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Also... Tuya is a roll of the dice, and the dice are loaded against you

remote pilot
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Ah I guess I worry since I'm in a dense residential area

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I'd rather avoid wifi lol

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I've been meaning to redo my wifi to have better VLAN separation too but haven't yet

flint totem
golden thorn
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It can be a CPU hog but usually not memory. Well, at least not > 30G. The log also said python3. Did you modify Code server? You should have investgated this before uninstalling

flint totem
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I did nothing to the install.

shrewd gorge
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My house has several light + fan combos (which are both on the same wall switch). The fixture has two pull-cords, one for light and one for fan. Has anyone come up with a good solution to make this smart?
My current idea is hardwire the switch to be on (since the cords act as an override) and then use smart bulbs which are controlled via a remote in the place of the wall switch. The fan must be turned on manually via the pull-cord, which I'm okay with.

cold moon
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i've seen some wireless fan controller things that have two parts - one that sits in the ceiling behind the fan and the other part wirelessly controls it from a switch on the wall but i cant remember the brand

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for now i just put zigbee bulbs in the fan's light fixture part and manually control the fans with pullstrings

remote pilot
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If you can install a controller which supports smart stuff that's probably best. I bought a bond bridge since I already have a wireless remote but it's a trust based system

cold moon
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if there's separate wiring you can use a smart switch such as a zwave zooz zen30 double switch but there's no fan speed control

shrewd gorge
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Thanks for your input. Sounds like my plan is the best I can do for now. Sadly most rooms have these fixtures.

cold moon
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at least that's what i've heard here

shrewd gorge
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Ah, I didn't even think of that. Good point.

remote pilot
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anyone know if you're able to bind two ikea tradfri remotes to the same group of lights?

cold moon
remote pilot
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Oh okay

gusty onyx
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is there a smart exhaust fan for the bathroom?

hallow yew
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Yo, looking for a solid Mini PC that can run Proxmox (and a HA appliance on top of that, plus maybe a Plex server/BitTorrent/NAS).
I'm in the United States, preferred budget is around $100 but can be a bit flexible. I prefer if it's on AMD, but Intel can work too.
Aiming to replace a Raspberry Pi 3 as it's getting overloaded with the usage I currently use on HA.

I'm also not sure what exact specs to look for in terms of comparing the on-paper specs, I looked up some results in this Discord and going Celeron J4125 and up is better in the Intel space, but I'm not wholly sure what that means, and I also couldn't find much on AMD

cold moon
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Otherwise you can buy a humidity sensor and a smart switch and then use any fan you want assuming the switch can handle the load

gusty onyx
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by the way i got that automation working now for the bathroom.. thanks for the help sir now just waiting on my door sensors/ motion to arrive from amazon to do the other bathroom

cold moon
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I’m not old enough to be called sir I don’t think

hallow yew
cold moon
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$100 is a little low for mini pc tho

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Not really

hallow yew
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Yeah, up to $200 is flexible, so basically ball park around that range

cold moon
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I’m all for amd for building your own pc or whitebox server

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But mini pc are often old gen intel

hallow yew
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how recent gen is the M910Q?

cold moon
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Not recent

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7th gen or something

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That link has some hardware suggestions and links to forum posts I think

gusty onyx
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damn I feel bad for running HA on my pc with a 1070ti and i5 with a 16gb

peak talon
hallow yew
cold moon
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Well Plex either needs an intel cpu or a gpu for hardware transcoding

hallow yew
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oh it requires intel

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i see

cold moon
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Trying to do direct play only isn’t worth it

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No

hallow yew
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yeah

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well yeah

cold moon
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It’s an either or

hallow yew
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i know what you mean

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but like Intel onboard for transcoding or GPU

gusty onyx
peak talon
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I think NUC11ATKC4 is also N5105, see if you find any

cold moon
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I use a $100 p400 quadro gpu instead

cold moon
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Maybe i3 do it too

hallow yew
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$184.03

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by comparison, there's a $150 listing on ebay for the M910q

cold moon
gusty onyx
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remote server that has all my media basically via internet

cold moon
cold moon
hallow yew
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yeah i'm checking them

gusty onyx
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i know

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but dont want to really host at home with 1.3 PB of media

cold moon
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Crazy

hallow yew
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oop found another one barebone at $160, but need to provide the ram and SSD

peak talon
cold moon
peak talon
cold moon
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Since you want a full server not just hass and some things running

hallow yew
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well, my uses are actually quite light at the moment
i should mention that my current plex setup is used for streaming my music library

cold moon
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Plex will need storage with multiple hdds ideally

hallow yew
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the only NAS part of it is storing the bittorrents i have

cold moon
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Unless you want to make a disk shelf or something

hallow yew
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currently, my bittorrents are on a usb drive, plugged into a Pi 4, which is not that great, and is super sluggish

cold moon
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Yep

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Reuse the pi to control your new 3d printer

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Also buy a 3d printer

hallow yew
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i'm not seeding too much so i think onboard storage is fine

cold moon
hallow yew
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(i have one coming, ha)

cold moon
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Funny

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I buy mine from microcenter

hallow yew
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so ultimately, i feel like a minipc is still the best way for me to go since i really am wanting to just run light streaming and torrenting

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and home assistant, of course

cold moon
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You can always upgrade or build out a NAS later

hallow yew
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According to CPUBenchmark (even though this is not really real-world testing) the Lenovo M910Q's processor seems to have a higher score

cold moon
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Frankly I don’t like the idea of torrents, Plex, and home assistant all running on a little box

peak talon
cold moon
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Due to pcie constraints, the nic, etc

hallow yew
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one of the points of Home Assistant is that it runs locally

cold moon
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Lagging your smart home software isn’t great

hallow yew
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plus i have local devices i need to connect to my instance

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it wouldn't be easy to do that on a cloud VM

peak talon
hallow yew
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technically it also isn't my system, it's oracles, and i don't want to run tailscale to have to connect to it

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(in fact one of the goals is that i can run the tailscale addon through HA to give it the ability to act as an exit node for when i travel in a couple months)

peak talon
peak talon
cold moon
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It includes the new funnel if you have access to that

hallow yew
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i don't utilize funnel

peak talon
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For added security, use headscale as a co-ord server rather than using tailscale. More flexibility with subnets

hallow yew
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currently my HA instance is proxied through Cloudflare and on the internet with a domain i control, so that it will work over Google Assistant

cold moon
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Technically against tos but you’re probably safe

hallow yew
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anyway, i'll go ahead and consider the lenovo, thanks for the advice!

cold moon
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CF wants mostly static html traffic on their tunnel but if you don’t use a ton of bandwidth they let it slide

hallow yew
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i'm not using CF Tunnel

cold moon
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Proxied through cf is the same TOS

hallow yew
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ah

cold moon
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Section 2.6

peak talon
hallow yew
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i am using both yeah

peak talon
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Okay then whats against cloud VM? 😃 for all you know your other non-ha workloads can run there and ypu might even not even need a new PC. Just saying...

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Not sure abput plex but Jellyfin works fine as docker container. The egress oracle offers free is 10TB per month

hallow yew
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In terms of RAM, is 8GB viable or should I go for 16GB? I found a cheaper listing of the M910Q that has 8GB but a higher storage capacity on the nvme SSD, that is ~$30 less

peak talon
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Suggest buying your own ram and storage

cold moon
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You don’t have to focus on just that model there a lot of mini pc variants that’s just the most popular one

hallow yew
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yeah

cold moon
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Since you’re using Plex etc I’d go 16 tho

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I have Plex transcode to ram

hallow yew
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It also might be good practice if I can get the dimms seperately to upgrade to 16GB

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then it might be cheaper than the ebay listing

cold moon
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And if multiple people are using it, it can use multiple gigs

hallow yew
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I also have prime so double bonus

cold moon
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You can look for new mini pcs on Amazon too

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But they’re a bit more for an i5 or whatever with quicksync

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Starting to fall down the rabbit hole

hallow yew
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yeah, on second thought, the ebay listing is better, buying new ram for a 16GB in dual channel is $40 so that will make the price go around $160ish

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in terms of fan, does it happen to be relatively quiet during high load? (not that this would ever reach it I feel, but possibly) @cold moon

cold moon
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Idk I have old dual xeons

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@tacit burrow are the m910q loud?

tacit burrow
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Nope

hallow yew
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this thing is going to be running on a table next to a TV, so it should be relatively quiet

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cool cool

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well it's actually going to be running in a media cabinet

tacit burrow
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I can't hear it at all, over the noise of fridge in the next room.

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But mine are all <20% cpu load all the time

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My "prod" box runs about 10% and it lives on a shelf in my bathroom. Wife has never mentioned even hearing it. The "dev" box is in my workshop, and it's probably quieter than the NVR it sits on top of.

cold moon
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Hdds go brrr

hallow yew
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okay so i did check and i actually am not "light" torrenting, the current USB disk has more than a terabyte taken up

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probably could be viable still to plug that USB disk into this mini pc for torrenting

cold moon
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I’m at 12x8tb drives

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I’d still call 1tb light

hallow yew
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alright, so i think i can probably just plug in this disk into the mini pc and set it up to go read from that and that should work a bit better with less constraint of the Pi

cold moon
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Yep

hallow yew
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Went and bought it, I'll see how it is when it arrives

ornate wyvern
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Hello, sorry if this is not the correct channel. I got Tasmota on Shelly 2.5 + button + blinds. I've configured the first one and replicated to the others. However, one of the blinds stops at middle "thinking" it reached he end. The button doesn't override it, why? is this some additional setting or I'll have to recalibrate them all ? Thank you

cold moon
#

@peak talon yesterday you mentioned using headscale instead of tailscale. i'm looking at it now - does it replace using tailscale's servers completely and it's now just self hosted? that's what it looks like based on the repo

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that's the one downside to tailscale is letting them mitm the wireguard keys so i might give it a go

peak talon
# cold moon <@627475911024967691> yesterday you mentioned using headscale instead of tailsca...

Yes. The thing is tailscale co-ordination servers are closed source and yes they define all the keys. Headscale replaces that layer as open source. Just that headscale does not have nice UI (there is a seperate container though), but does the same functionality and can be run as docker container. The tailscale clients itself are opensource and directly connect with each other after(no info to tailscale servers)

cold moon
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which seems good enough

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this does require port forwarding tho right?

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guess that's one downside since a lot of people use tailscale to get around cgnat

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cool i guess i just need to play with it

peak talon
cold moon
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host in CF?

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is this using cloudflare workers or?

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i'm kind of out of my wheelhouse here

peak talon
cold moon
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how would you set that up

peak talon
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The host hosting the headscale just need to have a CF docker so that no ports to be opened

cold moon
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What do you mean a CF docker

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Is this using cloudflare workers on free tier or?

peak talon
# cold moon What do you mean a CF docker

No. Have you used Cloudflare to enable your local machine to direct enable the domain access? If no, then short explanatiin is that the way you it is that you run app provided by cf (with token). It is this app that creates a tunnel between CF and local machine. That app can also be run as a docker

cold moon
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You mean the Argo tunnel they just renamed to cf tunnel?

peak talon
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So when you run headscale docker also in the same machine, it could be accessed via domain hosted by CF

cold moon
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I’ve read about it but haven’t used it, I just use their proxy for some domains

peak talon
cold moon
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I see

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Can you link me to the docs on what you’re referring to so I can read up

peak talon
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The CF or the Headscale? Will send you both

cold moon
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Cf

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I can run headscale in a container on my server at home and port forward but I’d like to try the CF way too

peak talon
jovial verge
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Has anybody ever checked the voltages on any coin cell batteries? I ordered some cheap CR2032 on amazon and they're all reading 5v...

cold moon
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thx

peak talon
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@cold moon This usually means that you either buy a domain or move route your domain via CF. CFs has docs somewhere. I buy domains from CF for that added protection they provide like ip address masking, ddos attack protection

cold moon
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yeah i have multiple domains with the cf registrar

peak talon
jovial verge
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Yeah as long as the domain is proxied thru CF and you enable an app for the same URL

cold moon
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thx i'll play around with it

cold egret
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Greetings all! Fairly new to the HA world, getting ramped up on the ins & outs, and I was wondering if any of you more seasoned folks might be able to help with this a little bit... My home uses a boiler system that provides hot water for the HVAC system, the underfloor radiant system (3 zones), and the domestic hot water heater. On that system there are around 6 water temp/pressure gauges. I would really like to have that information brought into HA, if I could only find a way to do that. So far, I've not found a "smart gauge" that will accomplish that task. I'm I looking to do something near impossible, or is there some sort of solution that might work?

cold moon
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crazy how much you can do with CF now...

jovial verge
cold egret
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Just monitor the water temp & pressure.

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So I know if there's a problem before I find a cold house or water.

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(Which has already happened once.)

jovial verge
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I mean just some zigbee temp and water leak sensors might cover your use case?

peak talon
cold egret
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These gauges are on a screwed-in nipple. It would work great if there was a smart gauge that could replace them in the same nipple.

jovial verge
cold moon
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so i create a tunnel and then i create an app?

jovial verge
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You can do both yes

peak talon
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It is self explanatory

jovial verge
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I went more the app route vs tunnel myself

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My nginx proxy will only accept traffic from CF, and CF has an app to require auth for anything I'm exposing

cold moon
jovial verge
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Are you going to use the warp client then?

cold moon
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whats that

jovial verge
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If you're going a true tunnel only route with CF, that's their VPN client

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You can basically require an authorized warp client for your tunnels

peak talon
jovial verge
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It's really a matter of exposure

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If you're fine doing a tunnel to your site that the world can ultimately visit vs requiring some layer of VPN or additional auth

cold moon
jovial verge
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With tailscale did you have to be logged into the client to connect?

cold moon
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the idea of tailscale being able to mitm traffic (as can CF on their tunnel) isn't super appealing so that's why i thought headscale i could self host would be neat

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but ability to host in the cloud and not require port forwarding out WAN is also appealing (even if just to learn to be able to suggest to others as an option)

cold moon
peak talon
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Check this https://postimg.cc/WFkvv5jD using tunnel you are mapping your local host (& port if you like). The CF tunnel itself is secure. Your local machine / public IP is also not exposed by CF

jovial verge
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After the HA security flaw I'm no longer personally comfortable putting a plain HA site on the web

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It's gotta either require a VPN or a secondary layer of auth for me to be happy now

peak talon
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well, even tailscale co-ord server had a vunerability 🙂

jovial verge
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Lol never used em myself

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You kids with your new vpns lol

peak talon
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thatswhy headscale

cold moon
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it's pretty painless i'm just looking to learn a bit more

peak talon
cold moon
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it helps that i have FTTH and ping 2ms to CF

jovial verge
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I run a PFSense VM that I can VPN into directly

peak talon
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PFsense has a tailscale client 🙂 I use that to connect to my headscalwe

jovial verge
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ipsec is baked into just about everything tho at the OS level

peak talon
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Hence tailscale connects all my cloud VPNs, which run kuberenetses and my workloads are actually hosted within k8s. so quite some layer and if somebody penetrates all those. well then they deserve it 🙂

cold moon
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so would you say the zero trust tunnel is a good option for exposing ssh securely as a "jump box" of sorts?

jovial verge
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CF has web ssh tunnels lol

peak talon
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yes, I had experimented them just not using regularly since when connected via tailscale, I can directly access all my machines across the world

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anyway, since my workloads are on k8s i rarely have to even do SSH on cloud VMs. I just manage from one node

cold moon
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thx for the info man i've got some docs to consume now lol

peak talon
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for everything on maintenance on cloud VM, there is one Ansible running on new nodes which does all updates and keep node updated

cold moon
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i still think you're crazy for not having hass live on your lan tho

cold moon
peak talon
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my internet connection is very good, and when internet does go down, the home machine automatically wakes up and starts HA. I hardly feel, it has happened only twice in last year though

cold moon
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seems the more i learn (in life in general) the less i like :/

peak talon
cold moon
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i have five 3d printers and was suggested by someone to manage and deploy with ansible and github instead of manually managing them all

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i do have automated backups to nextcloud self-hosted tho

peak talon
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BTW, the AWX is pretty heavy and does not support docker anymore I huess, check our Ansible Semaphone, lightweight UI and controller for Ansible

cold moon
peak talon
cold moon
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it truly disgusts me how much of the internet lives on aws with shit like route53, EC2, etc etc etc

peak talon
cold moon
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aah i saw AWX and thought amazon

peak talon
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nope owned by Red hat

cold moon
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oh i hate ibm too

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and oracle.. and google

peak talon
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hate them all you can, but you can't deny things like openshift (redhat), Oracle Autonomous DB (still one of the best relational DB - they introuduced and mastered clustering logic like 15 years back). and we are still unabel to do it properly in K8s as stateful loads

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kubernetes is by Google 🙂 So hate the compnay and but people are awesome, I consult with all of them 🙂

cold moon
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yeah

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although.. "the path to hell was paved with good intentions"

peak talon
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true!

cold moon
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like how the cool stuff we can use like bluetooth beacons for smart home are the same ones tracking us when shopping at stores

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😭

peak talon
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okay nice chatting...gotta go

cold moon
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later thx

weak yew
cold moon
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g r o s s

gusty onyx
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Is it possible to run 2 dongles ZigBee coordinator on a PC.... 1st dongle will be ZHA and 2nd dongle will Z2M

cold moon
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Why

golden thorn
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As long as they use different channels and so on I don't see why not

peak talon
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@cold moon just realized while doing something in headscale, the cli part is only available in *-debug tags . No issue if you are using the webui (but thats in alpha)

cold moon
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i havent done anything yet

surreal ocean
winged knoll
winged knoll
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Yes... it's for you

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That it's not a new install is irrelevant, that is the channel to get help in

fallen raft
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Sorry if not the right channel, but what are the thoughts of having HA in pi vs NUC?

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Or other options

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I have a oi 4 4gb with sd card, and I was thinking about updating it to a ssd or instead moving directly to a NUC

peak talon
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which pi? 4B - 8 GB?

fallen raft
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Pi 4 4GB

peak talon
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ah saw its 4 GB. start with the sd card card. then buy a NUC later when the needs come in. with SD card keep regular backups

fallen raft
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I have it for 2y now. With sd card

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But I am planning to start using influx DB and for that I heard I need to get out of the sd card

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I have many many many devices.

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Like 2 Lutron hubs, 1 hue hub and aqara hubs

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And I want to start energy monitoring now

peak talon
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well, there are some sd card which are quite sturdy, but majority fail / risk of failure when running on 24x7 - give or take 1+ years

fallen raft
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I will def move of of a ssd but question is should I keep pi or move to a NUC?

peak talon
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NUC will be a good choice for long term. and you if you do not need add-ons specifically, use the container / docker version and use the full potential of the NUC to install other containers, things

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Are you a techie? meanning know to play around with infra / tech?

fallen raft
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What do u mean by “if u don’t need add ons specifically”?

fallen raft
peak talon
#

add-ons are nothing but container. You can do HA in docker which frees up the OS for other containers.

fallen raft
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But then there is a hassle in updating HA as I heard right?

peak talon
peak talon
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Since you have direct access to the OS, it is much more simpler - for techies

fallen raft
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Any recommended NUC to look at?

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Min config

peak talon
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actually I don't use offiical NUCs, but mini PC of N5105 / 6005. They are pretty efficient and i run proxmox on them. HA is just one docker in Linux VM

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But you cannot go wrong with last 2 generation ones from intel. I have heard the Asus ones are pretty solid as well

peak talon
# fallen raft Min config

I would suggest go for good amount, as this is going to stay for long. 16GB RAM min (32 GB if trying with proxmox or XCP-NG) and storage as per your needs

cold moon
peak talon
cold moon
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Isn’t it the bastard of Citrix?

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Proxmox or truenas if you want zfs, unraid if you want to maximize storage and easy container / VM management with a gui

peak talon
cold moon
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By definition once a bastard always a bastard no? Still what’s a situation it’s actually better than truenas etc?

peak talon
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its' quite comparable to proxmox. truenas - well, you will probably start a war 🙂

cold moon
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I haven’t seen it suggested in homelab circles

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Certainly not by the majority of folks

peak talon
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strange, it is quite popular in the professional networking consultancy companies

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However, I think I heard stability with fedora images that gets reported.

cold moon
peak talon
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true, but something about proxmox does not pass the corporate security screening. I have heard where I consult stating they do not want to see lxc container along with other - some security policy. COuldn't understand what. and full web support is liked by tech suport, thatswhy I guess

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personally I experment everything, like proxmox as i hate too much UI

cold moon
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I thought proxmox was just Debian with a gui

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Plenty of orgs using Debian

peak talon
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yep - but that simplicity is what i like, truly awesome API where terraform never fails (unlike sometimes in xcp-ng). I create hundreds of LXCs spin up and down

cold moon
#

Why lxc not docker containers

peak talon
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lxc for the k8s nodes /DB cluster nodes. easier on the resource to spin up. VM takes horribly long time and eat away RAM. dockers are within the lxc. don't even use them nowdays directly, only build them for workloads in k8s - and those are part of CI / CD

karmic wolf
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Just bought a NUC to upgrade from my Pi3

short trout
#

Opinions on the BMAX B1 plus for HA in docker?

winged knoll
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Only slightly faster than a Pi4

fallen raft
brave fiber
#

I'm from Germany and I'm looking for smart plugs ESPHome. Someone told me which ones are good but i lost the website 😦

short trout
remote pilot
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how does a rocker style light switch work when it's a smart switch too? like if the switch is down for off and then you remotely switch the switch on... then does that reverse the switch behavior (as you'd think from say a 3 way switch?)

peak talon
cold moon
short trout
short trout
cold moon
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Might be more economical to just build a whitebox NAS

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No it should be listed online

short trout
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If the BMAX is comparable to a raspberry pi 4 I think I'll be fine, weight is also an issue for me

peak talon
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Well the Intel Celeron N3060 in them is super old - 5 or 6th gen i think. I recommended N5105 is that they are almost latest. if you are going back that far, you should pick up something on i5 ranges. Power efficiency will be an issue though. Can't say about comparison from rpi4, almost everything for last 10 years perform better than rpi 🙂

cold moon
short trout
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So N5105 and up is recommeded

karmic wolf
pallid prairie
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I'm buying a house and trying to figure out the hardware I need for smart stuff and I'm very overwhelmed.

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I will probably go with ubiquity for router, switching, cameras

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I see on reddit that zwave is better than wifi devices, but you still need hubs? Multiple? In addition to the HA server

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I'll probably get a rackmount server to run HA

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Do I need zwave, smart things? What's the difference between all the protocols.

cold moon
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Lots to unpack there

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The occasional Wi-Fi device is fine but most of us prefer zigbee and or zwave meshes for the majority of devices

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We don’t do hubs here, we do zigbee coordinator and zwave controllers

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Basically usb sticks mostly but there are other form factors

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Running home assistant (hass) in a VM or on dedicated hardware such as a mini pc is common. Docker container is also an option but requires more diy setup

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Smart things is Samsung garbage ignore it’s existence

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UniFi cameras, switches, gateway (such as a udm se), and APs is a fine choice but there are better cameras out there for cheaper

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I’m 100% UniFi myself including cams

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drops mic

pallid prairie
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What cameras do you rec

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I like the unifi environment I use it at work and it's stable and works

cold moon
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they're fine, they just arent spectacular

pallid prairie
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Interesting

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I'll do some more research thanks.

cold moon
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i'd ask in #cameras-archived what are suggested now - they are the experts. a lot of people are moving to using frigate and other open source software to do cool shit like object detection

pallid prairie
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Yeah that's why I wanna use something a little more serious than a raspberry pi for the ha, i think that helps with some of that

cold moon
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definitely

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as far as hass hardware - a lot of people are using mini pcs these days

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or a nuc, or if you're wanting to save a few bucks a used laptop

remote pilot
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get something with IPMI 😄

cold moon
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i like the idea of keeping my smart home hardware separate from my server which is separate from my network which is separate from my cameras

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some people put all their eggs in one basket

remote pilot
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do you separate out your 2.4Ghz network?

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or rather your wifi for trusted devices vs iot

cold moon
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yes and no

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i have a flat network i dont do a bunch of complicated shit, but i do have a separate IoT vlan and SSID for like esp32 devices

remote pilot
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ah I see

cold moon
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but i dont go full retard with a bunch of firewall rules and shit

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the way i see it, if someone is on my lan i have bigger problems

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and dealing with mDNS issues with stuff isnt worth the hassle to "feel more secure"

remote pilot
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I mean vlan is better than no vlan for keeping stuff separated

cold moon
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just a personal choice

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i just block IoT vlan from reaching out WAN

cold moon
#

@rapid quiver yo

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What do you mean security stuff

rapid quiver
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I've got some cameras and door sensors

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I got stuck setting up the cameras as the doors are pretty easy

cold moon
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What brand cams?

rapid quiver
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I would however love to have my icon change from a closed door to open if status changes

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Amcrest

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Had my car sideswiped on the street over the weekend so I bought cameras. Like 8 of em

cold moon
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Yea I use aqara door sensors for that

rapid quiver
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I wanted to do frigate

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For the cams

cold moon
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Cams are only as good as the lighting, bitrate, and fps

rapid quiver
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I'm in a city so lighting is good...comparitively

cold moon
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I used to work at a security camera company- we rarely got footage that was perfectly usable cuz of shit lighting and cheap cams

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Especially not like license plates

rapid quiver
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I think mine are 8k but I'll check

cold moon
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Nice

rapid quiver
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I also plan on putting tiny cams in a post next to my driveway in a few months for reading plates ... had two shootings last year

cold moon
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Also cams powered by PoE with a switch on a ups power backup are pretty useful

rapid quiver
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They are 8mp, 4k cams

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I have that 🙂

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I downloaded HACs but then got stuck

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For frigate

cold moon
#

What is hass running on

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Did you get a coral?

rapid quiver
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I also have a computer running my HA so there should be enough juice

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Linux i7... if that's what you're asking

cold moon
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I still haven’t played with frigate just read up a bit

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I think that’s the right call

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You really want to get help with that in #cameras-archived and buy an intel coral device

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Unless your cpu can handle it

rapid quiver
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I'm guessing it can because I watched some YouTube videos and people said to buy old campus surplus computer and then do frigate.

cold moon
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They’ve been talking about openvino recently

rapid quiver
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Vid I watched had a 7050 series and I have a 9020

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Thanks I'll write that down and check it out

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Next integration after I figure these out is energy monitoring

cold moon
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Well I can’t really speak much more on frigate I’m just not that familiar. The frigate devs hang out in #cameras-archived and are pretty helpful

rapid quiver
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Oh cool, didn't know that

cold moon
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Yea

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Blakeblackshear and nick mowen in there are pretty active

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Well we came here to talk zigbee hardware do you have any questions about that?

rapid quiver
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What is coral?
I just read frigate won't use a gpu like Nvidia

cold moon
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They call it an edge tpu it’s basically really good at calculating certain shit which frigate can use instead of needing a gpu or super powerful cpu

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I’m not an expert just summarizing

pallid prairie
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Do you guys have recommendations on switches and light stuff.

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I have a bunch of Phillips hue bulbs in my apartment that I like

outer knotBOT
#

Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
pallid prairie
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When we do renovations, I was gonna use their hi hats in the ceiling

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From what I read last night hue uses a zigbee protocol with their hub? Idk if that's right...

zealous dune
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mostly

pallid prairie
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Is there anything wrong with the hue line? Or is that an acceptable product that's usable for years to come in a HA environment

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I don't want to buy a bunch of lights and 6 months later find out they weren't the best choice 😦

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I have a few of the stick on wall switches too since I'm in an apartment and didn't want to swap actual light switches out. But what switches do you folks recommend, trying to stay away from wifi.

winged knoll
pallid prairie
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And what plans does everyone have for if the internet or power go out?

winged knoll
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Hue is fine, not cheap but generally good

pallid prairie
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I guess the power going out isn't going to be diff smart or not smart home

winged knoll
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Personally I like smart switches not smart bulbs... switches work like switches... smart bulbs need smarts to control them

pallid prairie
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But I don't wanna have issues where I can't turn a light off or on if there's an internet outage

winged knoll
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If you stick with Zigbee then you can control it all 100% locally

pallid prairie
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I'm in the US BTW sorrt.

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I haven't decided on a protocol yet. Why zigbee over zwave out of curiosity

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I don't really know the difference yet.

winged knoll
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Z-Wave is also 100% local

zealous dune
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zigbee: generally cheaper, open(ish), widely available, same frequency globally

pallid prairie
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I like hue for the colors and dimability

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But idk if I'd spring for the color stuff in the bathroom I think that's overkill

zealous dune
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you probably won't use it

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unless you want to freak guests out while on the can

pallid prairie
#

I honestly don't use the color stuff very often as it is

zealous dune
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which might be worth it

pallid prairie
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Mostly to show people I can

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But I like the variability of white colors

zealous dune
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i had smart lights for many years, i use colors... never

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CCT is another story, that is automated and is awesome

pallid prairie
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Cct?

zealous dune
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aka tunable white

pallid prairie
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Oh yes.

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I like a lot of light, I'm most excited about that.

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I'm gonna have a bathroom where I can see that doesn't have one bulb over the vanity

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And a closet with lights

zealous dune
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then look for high CRI lighting

pallid prairie
#

Do you prefer zigbee over zwave

zealous dune
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i despise zwave

pallid prairie
#

Interesting

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Why

zealous dune
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because i don't like closed systems that costs three times more

winged knoll
#

Z-Wave has the advantage of being an actual standard, so you know things will work together

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Zigbee is more of a wild west

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That said, as long as you follow the standard advice working Zigbee is easy

pallid prairie
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Writing this all down there's so much to learn

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Gonna close on house in 2 weeks

winged knoll
#

Check the pins in the various channels, but also:

  1. Don't buy Tuya without careful research
  2. Don't buy Osram's Zigbee 1.2 range
  3. Avoid Sonoff's Zigbee sensors
pallid prairie
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I have a few tuya smart outlet things and I do hate them

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They don't respond sometimes

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Alexa says there off and they aren't

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I also like Alexa, I hope that's not a sin here.

opal vessel
#

Good morning. I'm having some trouble getting Bluetooth devices detected by Shelly units to show up on HA. I've tried using active and passive, and while I see the Bluetooth devices in the Shelly HA diagnostic logs and on the Shelly itself, they don't come up in HA as devices. I saw @crimson tulip's note in this channel about just adding bluetooth: to the config, but that doesn't seem to have done anything.

Can anyone clarify where I should be seeing the devices in HA? The goal is presence detection, if that makes a difference.

Thanks!

crimson tulip
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they would show up in the shelly integration

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keep in mind that some devices are not supported

opal vessel
#

Would they show up as an entity within the Shelly that detects it, or as a separate device within Shelly?

crimson tulip
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as a separate shelly instance

opal vessel
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I'm not seeing anything; is there a doc of supported devices? I've got a handful of computers, an iPhone, and a headset/AirPods and none are showing in HA.

crimson tulip
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Nope

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iphones and laptops can only show up as bluetooth trackers

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which is manual setup

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anything that plays music isn't supported yet

opal vessel
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Hm. Not sure it's relevant, but this should be working in Docker right? Since there's no hardware dongle.

crimson tulip
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🤷‍♂️ beyond my abilities

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BLE devices are mostly what will show up

opal vessel
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Ok. I'll go down the tracker rabbit hole. That's basically what I'm wanting, anyway.

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@crimson tulip Thanks; that got me going. Had to enable the bluetooth_le_tracker in config.

real adder
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Hi y'all! I have two 24V brushless motors I'd like to control via HA. I started looking to Sonoff switches, but can't find anything 24V. Suggestions?

fringe crater
real adder
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Well, each motor should open with a +24V applied, or close with -24V. So I need these two voltages for maybe 5 secs to open/close .

jovial verge
random stream
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any good recommendations out there for a low voltage zigbee relay?

jovial verge
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Everything low-voltage in the zigbee space tends to be battery powered sensors, and the relays are all line-voltage

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There is an esp32 with zigbee radio now but I don't believe it's supported yet by esphome

random stream
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Ya I guess a Philips Hue relay would be not ideal either.

cold moon
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Prob easier to just use Wi-Fi options

random stream
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I'm trying to interpret the power supply for a segment of leds.

cold moon
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There are lots of led controller boards with a built in relay for psu control using Wi-Fi

random stream
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wifi has been fairly unreliable for me, so it's a non starter for my devices.

cold moon
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Then you have a Wi-Fi problem. Many of us use wled firmware on devices throughout the house using Wi-Fi. There are Ethernet options available as well

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I have all zigbee bulbs and led strips in every room on Wi-Fi using wled and esp32 and the Wi-Fi are just as responsive as the zigbee devices

random stream
jovial verge
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That's line-level voltage, you asked for low-voltage

fringe crater
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shelly does work on 12V DC

jovial verge
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Ahh it talked about appliances, didn't realize you could run this at low voltage levels

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The shelly still needs mains power, correct?

fringe crater
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no

jovial verge
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Ahh neat

fringe crater
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just have to set the jumper to your desired input voltage

tepid loom
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what brand of smart switches should I get for my smart bulbs so I can use both the switch normally as well as have home assistant automations?

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I've looked at inovelli but they're all sold out on their website

jovial verge
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The Blue switches just came out, it's the kinda thing you'd have to order and wait for lol

tepid loom
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yeah they look super cool too

jovial verge
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Zwave stuff supports smart bulb type modes too but it's even more expensive

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Otherwise something like a shelly

tepid loom
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any other brands I can look at perhaps?

fringe crater
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Zooz switches are like $24 bucks, hard to say that's "expensive" compared to $50 inovelli 🙂

jovial verge
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When did they get that cheap lol

fringe crater
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Though if you are getting zigbee bulbs, I might consider to stay with a zigbee switch, so it can do direct binding

jovial verge
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Less options there too

tepid loom
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which zooz switch should I try to get that supports zigbee light bulbs in groups?

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oh so zooz has no zigbee

fringe crater
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Zooz is zwave, so they don't "support" zigbee bulbs, it has to go through HA.

tepid loom
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well I have a zwave controller and a zigbee controller on my HA

fringe crater
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I pair Zooz with some hue in one location, and in one or two times I've briefly lost the ability to control my lights 😅

tepid loom
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but I haven't been able to get any zwave devices setup as of yet

jovial verge
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Zooz has smart bulb mode right?

fringe crater
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yes

tepid loom
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mainly because the only zwave devices I own are carbon dioxide sensors that for some reason can not be paired because they're using US frequencies instead of european, or so I've heard

jovial verge
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If you cross zwave to zigbee you just need to connect the switch with HA automations to the bulb

tepid loom
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yeah I'm fine doing that too

jovial verge
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I have blueprints for my inovelli zwave switches to drive lights on wifi/zigbee

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There isn't much in the way of zwave lights either

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I'm a huge fan of the notification bar on the inovelli ones, my wife never forgets to lock the door or close the garage anymore

tepid loom
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that is really cool indeed

jovial verge
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They even change a color when the doorbell gets rung

tepid loom
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can you make the bulbs switch color when the door rings as well?

jovial verge
tepid loom
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cool

jovial verge
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If your doorbell is integrated already anyways

tepid loom
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I see I'm looking at a 4-way or 5-way setup for my bedroom, as those have 2 switches upstairs, 1 for a group of lights each, and 1 switch downstairs for both groups upstairs

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nah it isn't yet, but I'm thinking about it

jovial verge
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Like a true 4+ way wiring?

tepid loom
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I don't know much about the wiring

jovial verge
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One neat thing about zwave (I think zigbee switches can do this?) is binding in a way where they act like 3-way without being wired up that way

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I've got my master switch that controls the load and then slave switches that just mirror state of the master basically

tepid loom
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to be honest I'm a total newb here and have no idea what to do

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on the zooz website it says this: Smart bulbs up to 150 W LED: one ZEN71, ZEN21 (discontinued 500 series model), or ZEN32 Scene Controller in smart bulb mode + ZAC99 momentary switches for the other boxes (electrical connection, 3-way switch type setting needs to be changed)

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I might as well remove one of the upstairs switches and make it 2 switches that talk to 2 light groups

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not sure how the wiring would need to be done then though

fringe crater
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zen76 is really good for 3 and 4 ways, you can just replace one switch and all the rest work with the original dumb switch

tepid loom
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I have scenario's where I need to do single pole as well as 3 and 4 way

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what do you mean by making it work with the original dumb switch?

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the zen76 looks promising

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I don't even know if the holes in the wall are big enough for these switches 😛

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I have square ones right now

jovial verge
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EU switches?

tepid loom
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yep

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the philips hue zigbee switch seems to be square EU switches

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also found a "ecodim" zigbee switch with 4 groups, does that mean you can use 1 switch for 4 light groups?

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that would be perfect, I'd have 1 switch for each of my upstairs and downstairs light groups

brave fiber
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Anyone willing to help or am I on my own? I'm looking for a Smart Power Plug where i can also see the power consumption

cold moon
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Wi-Fi zigbee or zwave?

cold moon
tepid loom
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ah that is true

cold moon
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It do be that way

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But technically there are switches that support 3 or 4 way or whatever

brave fiber
tepid loom
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I think I want to get a shelly i4

weak yew
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(this is a fiber connection)
I am completely redo-ing my home-network and also rebuying/buying hardware for it.
https://i.imgur.com/cG8Y5XX.png This is my home network that I am going to create.
I made this before ever really thinking about HA Zigbee MQTT but if there is anything I need to look at or take into consideration I would love to. This is the moment to-do that. I am going to use Zigbee MQTT on a dedicated piece of hardware to run it. (older laptop/NUC/Mini-PC)

The hardware that I am going to buy is probably from ubiquiti. So we are talking new switches, a NAS, 3 access points on each floor (cause of concrete floors/walls) The AP's get their own switch and then there is another multi Gig switch for the rest.
The NAS won't be bought yet but will be this year.

I also still have to create the wall sockets and I am buying new UTP wall outlets (2 cables per outlet) so 2 UTP Wall outlets per room. The modem/router will be provided by my ISP but will be replaced soon after.
I tried googling this and asking some friends but I didnt get really far so I would love to it if anything ofcourse.

cold moon
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-5 points to gryffindor for making a topology map sideways

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How many places have you shared this in? It shows 91 views lol

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Idk what kind of constraints you have for cabling but ideally you wouldn’t have a switch hanging off a switch hanging off a switch hanging off a switch etc. so like a backbone switch that each floor has another dedicated switch going back to it. Not a huge deal for home in most cases tho

weak yew
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You are correct the diagram is big trash, but it was some free option I had. I made this a while ago.
but the switch situation is:
Root Switch >AP SWITCH > UTP Cables > all AP's
Root switch > Multi Gig switch > UTP Cables > NAS and the rest of the devices.

So there aren't to many switch to switch moments after that. I will always make sure that the devices that need their own 1 GB of connection will get that without fighting over the switches if its busy.

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The rest won't really notice that at all.

cold moon
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i'd probably use cat6a so you can always upgrade switch(es) later

weak yew
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I am using Cat6a yes

cold moon
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otherwise i agree with pulling extra cables

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along with two strings for future pulls assuming you're using conduit

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i'd also run low power to various places for stuff like led strips, smart blinds, etc

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and ethernet to corners of house / eves of house for cameras outside

weak yew
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I am using conduit if you mean with empty pipes to pull the cables through in the walls

cold moon
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i'd have a PoE+ line going to doorbell

cold moon
weak yew
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Yep

cold moon
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sounds expensive

weak yew
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It is expensive

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I do most of it myself

cold moon
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cool

weak yew
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I do get help with putting the conduits in the walls and drilling through concrete

drifting grove
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May not fall under hardware but has anyone else experiened high memory card failure rate with the RPi 4 on latest Has OS ?

cold moon
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sd cards arent suggested in any capacity tbh

tepid loom
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suppose I have 2 light groups downstairs, 2 light groups upstairs, 1 light group in the hall and 1 light group in the bathroom, can I use 2 of these dimmer switches for all of them? Aka, left dimmer of first switch is downstairs all light groups, right dimmer of first switch is upstairs all light groups. left dimmer of second switch is for the hall and second dimmer of second switch for the bathroom? https://candeo.io/store/2-gang-kit-zigbee-rotary-dimmer-for-dimmable-led-halogen-incandescent-bulbs-no-neutral-required/

cold moon
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you should have pi4 ssd booting or move on to better hardware such as a mini pc, used laptop, nuc, etc

weak yew
cold moon
tepid loom
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yes this one should be superb according to a youtuber 😛

cold moon
weak yew
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Do hit me up if y'all think of some good stuff

cold moon
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i'm still figuring out if i want to put the power supplies and led controller(s) in one central location and only run power and ground

weak yew
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always open for ideas

cold moon
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or if i'm going to put the controllers at the end location

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depends on how far the data signal needs to go + voltage drop / amp constraints over a long distance with low power

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i'll probably be using his dig octa hardware there

weak yew
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I never really used led strips or smart blinds before

cold moon
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be a lot cooler if you did

weak yew
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Along the stairs maybe when you walk down at night for a slight glow

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ha i dunno gotta read up on some ideas

cold moon
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at 10pm my stairs light and stairs led turns to 30% then after midnight only the stairs led turns on at 30%

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so you dont get blinded

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same in bathroom, kitchen, etc

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i added an led strip next to toilet that keeps me from doing target practice pissing at night

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or getting blinded by overhead lights prior to target practice

weak yew
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but on the main question again before I trail into other thoughts, the main devices like the AP's, UTP wall sockets, routers etc dont need any thinking for zigbee MQTT ? the spot of the AP's are like in the middle of the floor and the floors aren't that big.

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I am obviously using Zigbee and not Wifi so that shouldnt matter to that

pallid prairie
cold moon
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you dont have to say "zigbee mqtt" those are both protocols so it makes you sound silly lol. it's just "zigbee"

pallid prairie
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Same for hallways and stuff

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Baby wakes up and I don't die tripping on stuff

cold moon
weak yew
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I feel like a kid again just random stuff I dont know about, zigbee it is.

cold moon
weak yew
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I did look at those

pallid prairie
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Try so hard to not sound dumb end up sounding dumb

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I'm at the same stageb

brave fiber
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I will find a smart plug myself then

weak yew
cold moon
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the disk aps are great for putting on a ceiling - the radiation pattern on them (how the AP broadcasts a signal) goes out and down like a donut falling as it grows

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so mounting them on the ceiling is a must

weak yew
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They will be ceiling mount yes

cold moon
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but i wanted great 5ghz wifi signal in kitchen and master bedroom so i put in wall access points there

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so they give me an ethernet port or ports if you get the HD/wifi 6 ones and good 5ghz signal in the same room

cold moon
remote pilot
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It's okay for my place since it's small ish but two floors

cold moon
remote pilot
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It's fine

cold moon
# brave fiber EU

you never answered my follow up question with what protocol you wanted - that's on you lol

pallid prairie
brave fiber
cold moon
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i'm not an expert regarding radiation patterns but they matter a lot

cold moon
brave fiber
cold moon
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same goes to you

brave fiber
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You shouldnt work in a customer service

cold moon
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y i k e s

weak yew
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Pay him before demanding help

remote pilot
cold moon
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anyone else can read up and see i didnt have an attitude, however you did and continue to. you wont be getting anymore of my time or energy have a good one.

remote pilot
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I don't need crazy speeds for my wireless devices anyhow. Just as long as it's stable

weak yew
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He had an attitude with his first message so he just set it up from the start 🛡️

jovial verge
weak yew
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@cold moon thanks for your help tho ill look into a few more options. Tomorrow I am going to just make a first draft of hardware I am going to buy and see whatever happens after that

cold moon
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ye

tepid loom
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thanks for the help everyone, I think I'll be able to decide what hardware I want to use for my smart switches now 🙂

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and I have a friend who does electrician work to help me out a little

fair cipher
weak yew
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Do you know if there is a in-wall UniFi AP that has a double UTP cable going into it with a 2 UTP output? so they are still on their own cable to the router?

brave fiber
cold moon
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i cant remember what those are

tepid loom
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I'll do some research, thanks

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good to know they have downsides

cold moon
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well some can do either or

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    You will have to use a bypass and will likely have to be able to reach your light source gang-box to install it (inov.li/bypass)
    You cannot use a, "dumb" switch or another smart switch in a multi-way setup - an add-on (aux) switch is required
    Energy monitoring will not work
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so maybe not a big deal

cold moon
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the unifi in wall 6 or older unifi HD (dont buy this same price as 6 but older radio) has one input and 4 outputs two being PoE

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you'd just run an extra cable behind the wall in case one dies

tepid loom
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I think the candeo switch doesn't have it as a requirement but does have it as an option, I'll have a look real quick

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hmmm nope, they simply do not have a neutral

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this one does support multiway setup though

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regardless of it having no neutral

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specifically 2 way

cold moon
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nice

weak yew
remote pilot
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Speaking of which my ERL-3's power supply died overnight

cold moon
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ERL? What year is it dot jiff

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Haven’t heard that in a long time lol

remote pilot
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That was annoying. Had to scavenge a 12v supply

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If it works it works lol

tepid loom
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another random question someone might know an answer to, it's hardware related but not home assistant related. Can I ask it here?

cold moon
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Sure

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Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission

tepid loom
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I'm looking for a laptop battery, I have the part number but google literally yields zero results and I need to get one

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the part number is: 6-87-PA70S-62B01

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but I have no idea where to find this battery

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I need it because I need to replace it inside my laptop, mine got wasted

cold moon
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Have you looked on sites like batteries plus where you can search by laptop instead of just battery?

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You’ve looked on eBay etc too right

pallid prairie
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@tepid loom what brand laptop

tepid loom
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yes but the laptop is a off-branded us company that isn't very popular around the world

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system76 oryx pro 4

cold moon
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They prob reuse hardware from others tho

pallid prairie
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Picture of battery?

tepid loom
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yeah I know it should be based off of a clevo, but I haven't found out what model exactly

pallid prairie
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I buy like 2 million a year in computer parts

tepid loom
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I can't show a picture right now because I can not open up the laptop, it's what I'm using to type these messages on right now

pallid prairie
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I can be helpful!

remote pilot
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XD

tepid loom
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that would be really nice if you could help me find it

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but all I have is a part number and some info on the current laptop model right now

cold moon
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Shut her down and get some pics

tepid loom
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you sure?

cold moon
#

?

tepid loom
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I have to get my ifixit kit from the closet

weak yew
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We will miss you

pallid prairie
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I'm going into a thing in 20 mins

cold moon
#

Is it a bitch to take apart?

pallid prairie
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But if you send me pics I can help later or tomorrow

tepid loom
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not really but I mean, I kinda want to go to bed 😛

pallid prairie
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You probably don't even need to shut it off

tepid loom
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that would be really nice

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it doesn't have a back side that you can simply get off, you actually have to open up the entire thing

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but I mean it's pretty doable

pallid prairie
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Like the keyboard palmrest comes up?

tepid loom
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I have to actually unplug the keyboard... there is a screw underneath it in order to open up the chassis

weak yew
#

you have one of those

pallid prairie
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Watch the cables then!

tepid loom
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I need to unscrew all of the holes of the lapptop

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yeah I know

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I've taken it apart countless of times, but I'm just too tired right now, I'll do it tomorrow morning

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as soon as I wake up

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is it ok if I send you a ping justinm?

pallid prairie
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I'm on discord all day basically

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For sure

tepid loom
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thanks for helping me out 🙂

weak yew
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Good story, when I was 10 I had a laptop that I needed to open up and I ruined the trackpad opening it up because I had to open the keyboard first.

tepid loom
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appreciated

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this one is pretty well situated, not much to mess up though

pallid prairie
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I've been fixing computers professionally for 10 years

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I mostly do motherboard repair and purchasing administrative stuff these days

tepid loom
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I've been fixing computers and electronics unprofessionally for roughly 12 years ;P

burnt blaze
pallid prairie
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Unprofessional, my entire life

tepid loom
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a few weeks ago I fixed the led screen for a samsung led tv

weak yew
#

Ive fixed them prof for 8 years and then went to a thinking job instead of a hands on job

tepid loom
#

holy moly, I think big dave got it

pallid prairie
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Oh nice

tepid loom
burnt blaze
#

@tepid loom u r in the EU, correct?

tepid loom
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yes

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does that mean import costs are high?

burnt blaze
tepid loom
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I'm already buying from the other one, it's free shipping 😄

burnt blaze
#

they have warehouses in Germany/France/Italy

tepid loom
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what do you need help with?

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awesome

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I think that guy wants a ban?

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but I'm seeing naked pooping black people

tepid loom
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@cold moon you were right for non neutral I need to get a bypass, Candeo has it's own LED Dimmer Bypass though....

cold moon
#

Fun

weak yew
#

Nobody really does 2,5 gb 16 port switches huh

peak talon
ripe pond
remote pilot
#

I can just hear "this is the lock picking lawyer" when I see the lock lol

cold moon
remote pilot
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folo is just fool rearranged

cold moon
#

Or loof which sounds exotic and fun

remote pilot
#

seems to only have bluetooth connectivity I think

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also it's not a deadbolt

cold moon
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A Bluetooth lock sounds super insecure

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And probably not gonna work with hass

ripe pond
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bummer. It's not for my exterior. It's for inside the house to keep kids out of my office, theater room, etc.

remote pilot
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ah

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in that case it's good enough minus the connectivity lol

cold moon
#

kwikset zwave are what i use and suggest as far as deadbolts

remote pilot
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what kind of automation do you want with it? lock/unlock on a schedule or?

pallid prairie
#

What smart locks do you recommend, zigbee, nfc, physical key...

copper juniper
#

Big Dog?

remote pilot
#

bleh I kinda want to connect to my electricity meter but I think it's too far away since I'm in a townhouse and the meter is in a concrete service room for all the units. any idea if there's a way to connect to the meter?

cold moon
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Probably not

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Maybe you can scrape their website

gusty onyx
cold moon
gusty onyx
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no

cold moon
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Sucks

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Then you only get on/off with a smart plug or you take it apart

gusty onyx
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I know if it was a fan where i turn it to on/off/speed i can use a smart plug

gusty onyx
cold moon
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Idk I was thinking wire to pins on an esp32

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Maybe better ways

gusty onyx
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ugh, i have 2 of these