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winged knoll
karmic wolf
outer knotBOT
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@rocky trail I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
rocky trail
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Doesn't seem be HomeAssistant-specific, just the devices themselves

oblique marsh
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This has got to be something someone else has done before. I've gotten a bunch of flush mount fixtures with adjustable white via a switch on the backside. It seems like I could rip out that switch and connect the warm and cool LEDs separately to a dimmer or controller of some kind. But I can't find anyone doing that

winged knoll
oblique marsh
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now that you mention it it doesn't sound like something you could get off the shelf

pallid turtle
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nspanel

rocky trail
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This is so frustrating. Doesn't anyone use WiZ bulbs?

cold moon
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No lol

rocky trail
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I only bought some cause they were on clearance at Home Depot 😂

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and they're so close

sharp jewel
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Hey all, I finally bought the standalone PC for running HA - Let me know if this is the right buy!
Lenovo ThinkCentre M910Q Mini Tiny Desktop PC Computer i5 6500T SSD Win 10 Pro

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8 GB RAM ⋅ 128 GB SSD

golden thorn
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Should be more than enough for HA

cold moon
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Sounds good dude

copper juniper
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thinking i might try a i5-7600T but need an ai device too

lime crane
copper juniper
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unless dealing weith frigate and multiple cameras

lime crane
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@carmine solstice I'm also looking for high quality dimmer switches

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I just bought some levitons and am testing them, but might send them back

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if I can't program around this behavior

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coming in I'm going to test.

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ooh, these have multi tap

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that's a win for me

rocky trail
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I want wall switches that physically toggle themselves when turned on and off wirelessly 😭

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so they're just like regular switches

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what behavior are you trying to work around?

carmine solstice
lime crane
carmine solstice
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The inovelli looks nice little $$ but you don't have one with 3 gang switch for like living room and front =)/ backdoor etc etc

lime crane
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I'm trying out these blues

carmine solstice
lime crane
carmine solstice
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Oh shit yea ok I have something like that coming

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A signed use thing

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Wait you need a bridge

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I just got

Brand: Z-Wave Plus
4.6 out of 5 stars91 Reviews
QuickStick Combo, HUSBZB-1, by Nortek, Cert ID: ZC10-15090013
@lime crane

lime crane
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it's typically software

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I just have a usb stick attached to my laptop for testing

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will move it to my new server when it's built

lime crane
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inovelli does hav e a red series for zwave

carmine solstice
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Provides interface between PC and Z-Wave/Zigbee network

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I don't really wanna buy something that require a hub etc etc

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You know what I mean

I wouldn't mind WiFi

But requiring Base station / Subscription
Or need cloud to use the switch

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Makes me wanna not buy anything and just buy phippples hue without switch etc etc@lime crane

rocky trail
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That's why I want the Wiz stuff to work so much. Requires cloud setup but then is local-only control. Wifi.

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I haven't tried their switches, but my bulbs seem to go into low power mode when the light is off (but still has power, of course) and makes the network response time terrible

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when they're on it's great

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seems pretty cheap too, $15 each

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but wtf it looks like the faceplate is attached

next jungle
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So, I just can't get SkyConnect to work with HomeAssistant running i Docker on a NUC with Ubuntu on it. Fresh Ubuntu install, HASS config from a backup. When HASS UI comes up, I'm getting the "SkyConnect" was discovered, but when pressing Configure, it only says "Failed to probe the usb device".

The device /tty/USB0 is mapped into the container.

I seem to be missing something obvious here.

winged knoll
drifting grove
unique hawk
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Team

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qq

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so, I can setup the sonoff dongle either as a coordinator (hooked up to HA) or as a router somewhere else?

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sorry, still learning zigbee

winged knoll
unique hawk
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how to you get the zbdongle-e in bootloader mode

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using securCRT

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have gotten to boot it twice, but don't not systematically, just pure luck.

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type

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sorry, I meant typo, trying to catch the bootloader

kind wind
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I'm trying to design a smart home into a home we are building without having ever used home assistant. My question is about outside LED lights that I want to control via HA. Do I have to have any type of hard wire connection from HA to the low voltage panel where the transformer will be located (and basically as close to the lights as I can get it but suffice to say at a distance from the location of my 'tech' room. Or, is the 'control' aspect simply HA interacts with a smart light switch via zigbee or zwave to control the lights?

unique hawk
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HA interacts with the devices via WIFI

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with the non zigbee devices

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or with zigbee devices via the controller

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I believe it's called coordinator

kind wind
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thank you. So no hard wired connection from HA to the lights. Similar question for smart shades. Does HA cause the shades to move via zigbee/zwave and have no hard wired connection to the shades or their power?

unique hawk
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no

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done via wifi via TCP/UDP or via zigbee.

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just make sure to add the integration via HA

kind wind
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ok. that helps me a lot. thank you

unique hawk
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you're welcome

bright holly
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is zigbee2mqtt reliable?

zealous dune
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maybe

winged knoll
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If you make smart choices it'll be reliable

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If you make bad choices it won't be

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Much the same as anything else here

bright holly
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I think my hardware is the problem then but nothing is documented or supported so its tough.

winged knoll
bright holly
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k

alpine moth
unique hawk
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best zb bridge to connect to box running HA?

winged knoll
broken flower
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Knx start

mystic coral
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Heya, I've encountered an issue with my SkyConnect, is this the correct channel or should I go to ZigBee?

gloomy spoke
mystic coral
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Alright, thanks

hallow tapir
sage steeple
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whats wrong with localtuya?, i mean extra integrations are ok with me as long as it's local

hallow tapir
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I literally cannot find anyone anywhere on the internet that can point out what configuration will make this controller behave correctly with HA in localtuya. Every post I've found has a completely different set of options from what I see. I have no idea where one would figure this out on their own

glossy prism
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It also still relies on the cloud at least initially and is a hacky workaround

sage steeple
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oh ok 👍

hallow tapir
# sage steeple oh ok 👍

I wouldn't mind using it really if it was at all intuitive or had decent documentation but that fact that it doesn't and even the proper Tuya integration doesn't display entities correctly just is making me think this company is pretty janky.

glossy prism
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It's okay though because Tuya promised a local integration almost two years ago || and never followed through ||

sage steeple
hallow tapir
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seems like ESPhome might be the way to go but I've never used that stuff before. I guess I'll have to learn

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oh totally! Yeah I have a friend that is happy with a bunch of his Tuya lights but he'll even tell you it's only because someone on the internet spelled out the locatuya settings for him.

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I'm only months in and I know enough to know what I DON'T want which is hacky proprietary solutions.

sage steeple
edgy lintel
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@hallow tapir ESPHome looks complicated, but once you see a few examples it is rather painless. It took me ~30 minutes to go from 0 to working sensor with esphome, including figuring out the best way to install it (I went with docker)

hallow tapir
edgy lintel
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with speed control, or simply on/off?

hallow tapir
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speed control.

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3 speeds

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I just don't know how the hardware part comes together

copper juniper
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with some glue

edgy lintel
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if you are going to build the hardware, you have a lot of freedom. For off-the-shelf - look for integration or open source firmware whch supports it. ESPhome is one option, tasmota also supports a lot of devices

hallow tapir
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is that what the kids are doing these days?

edgy lintel
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I don't have any tuya devices so I have no experience, but it was possible in the past, but later I read that it was more difficult. Maybe it's changed.

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There were a lot of discussions about flashing tasmota, so look in this direction

hallow tapir
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if it was ever a thing at least it gets me some keywords to google. Thanks!

copper juniper
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newer stuff is harder old stuff was easy

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since they left the esp platform

edgy lintel
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IIRC tasmota even has flashing tutorials on the website

hallow tapir
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isn't that aways the case (I started my career repairing apple devices)

edgy lintel
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Tuya wants your data. It's not in their interest to make flashing easy

copper juniper
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no data for anyone; your all grounded

edgy lintel
hallow tapir
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exactly. Another reason I don't want Tuya. Need to find out whether this device is ESP or Realtek

edgy lintel
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"Tuya has begun manufacturing some Wi-Fi modules using a Realtek RTL8710BN Wi-Fi SOC instead of an ESP82xx chip. Tasmota cannot run on Realtek devices and there are no plans on supporting them. "

copper juniper
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ding

edgy lintel
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no mention of wifi chip

hallow tapir
copper juniper
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yeah thats about serial tuya stuff

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not the rtl firmware

hallow tapir
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ah yeah dead end there

copper juniper
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which is why i ordered 10 esp32 boards for diy use

edgy lintel
hallow tapir
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yeah it definitely seems like anything short of DIY fan controllers or buying old stuff off ebay is trying to squeeze apple juice from an orange at this point

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Tuya is definitely trying to block any of this stuff from working

copper juniper
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i have part of a computer hardware eng degree so yeah it can be complicated

edgy lintel
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sonoff iFan should support tasmota and esphome

hallow tapir
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I was literally just reading that page on amazon

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it's surprising to me that there doesn't seem to be any z-wave or zigbee options

copper juniper
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cost is higher on zigbee tbh

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so most diy went esp

hallow tapir
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is it? I didn't notice that in other devices I've gotten

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I'll try the sonoff thing and see if it works out. Short of that I guess I'll have to learn about ESP

edgy lintel
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ESP are fun chips to work with

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very useful for home automation

copper juniper
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i use many of there s31 outlets reflashed

hallow tapir
edgy lintel
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I like Wemos' system. Similar to arduino. You can grab a bunch of modules and quickly put together a wifi sensor, button, or actuator

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WLED is cool for controlling rgb leds

hallow tapir
copper juniper
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pie bro pie

edgy lintel
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purple, and if you find a good promotion they can throw in white and black for free

hallow tapir
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thanks for the guidance thus far!

copper juniper
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back to the search for a cheap coral ai device or such

edgy lintel
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although there were some dev boards on mouser iirc

copper juniper
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yeah; it's an issue

edgy lintel
copper juniper
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just not usb/pcie

edgy lintel
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oh well, that's a bummer

copper juniper
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frigate almost demands one to stay power efficent

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my cpu detect rate is horrible; lol

edgy lintel
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can you use a gpu?

rich venture
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modules are even worse

subtle flame
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Hello. What type of hardware would you choose to run Home assistant OS, nothing else?

I was using Raspberry Pi 4 model B, but I want to prepare if my Pi dies and now its not possible to buy Pi.

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Where I can add a M2 or an SSD.

rich venture
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or tiny mini micro system for 100$ that has cpu socket, and better upgradability

fair minnow
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Greetings all! I'm new to HA and for right now I'm looking to just do LED lighting. I'm looking for tried and true suggestions for controllers that are z-wave and have WLED. My overall goals are to keep it private, avoid the cloud, and have security where possible. I've seen athom controllers but tehy sweem to carry the weight of google/alexa/amazon cound services in them. I'm looking for just zwave and wled. Any suggestions ?

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@subtle flame I retasked an old i7 PC with ESXI and use that to run my HA software in a virtual machine. I run 2 other virtual machines on the same hardware. This solves the Pi supply issues for me and allows to offer more CPU/RAM as needed.

edgy lintel
edgy lintel
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Seeed had USB accelerators today (I've just noticed "back in stock" email)

copper juniper
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they only sell them with a pc; sigh

edgy lintel
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It was for a standalone device. For $60

copper juniper
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bastards; i asked em for weeks in emails to buy one

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and then they pull that sh*t

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and sell em without letting me get one

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fsck seed studio

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now i triplely dont wanna buy from them

rich venture
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i dont get why google doesent get more capacity since silicon shortage is basically over

copper juniper
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greed maybe

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lack of caring

rich venture
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well ras pi 4 is also being non existant in stock

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but for that alternatives exist

copper juniper
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pi4 is animic anyways

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mini pc is much morwe capable

rich venture
copper juniper
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nah used; but can get much more ram and cpu power on even a 6yr old used pc then the pi

rich venture
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i know, i buy my stuff used

hearty marsh
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Just grabbed a Lenovo m910q

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Finally a hw upgrade from rpi3b

cold moon
hearty marsh
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Now to install proxmox and a bunch of VMs

edgy lintel
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M.2 is expected to be availabe on March 1

copper juniper
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yeah if they weren't such bastards i might of ordered from them but now seeed can shove a stick up someplace dark with their lies and bs

edgy lintel
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Very sophisticated compliments

cold moon
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have they been doing shady things or just forcing people to only buy in a package?

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hard to fault one company when everyone is doing it

edgy lintel
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I signed up for notifications and it came today in the morning

cold moon
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same with pis too

copper juniper
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forcing to buy in package; then selling them without the package without letting people who had been asking for months

hearty marsh
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@tacit burrow thank you for the suggestion to get a m910q. This looks like a very good long term solution.

cold moon
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you're welcome

hearty marsh
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and cheap ($133)

cold moon
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are you the guy in au?

edgy lintel
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but I haven't had very positive experiences with backorders at seeed either. I put a backorder on one of their products, and eventually had to cancel it because I've got it from Mouser much sooner

copper juniper
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i've been emailing them back and forth for months as they had some in stock; that i had a notification on that they\were back in stock

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but they refused to sell without pc; then they dump them all without pc's

cold moon
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fun

copper juniper
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and I'm still stuck w\ithout

edgy lintel
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did you sign up for eamil notifications?

copper juniper
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yes

edgy lintel
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weird

cold moon
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crowdsupply dropped the ball hard with the yellow and cm4 orders

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i'll never order from them again ever ever

edgy lintel
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I've got an email today

copper juniper
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and got it; only for them to tell me to shove it

edgy lintel
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ah

copper juniper
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when i wanted to get it without a pc

edgy lintel
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I used to like seeed, now I shop there only if there is no other option

copper juniper
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and now i refuse to deal with them

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and their bs

edgy lintel
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That's a shame, because they have some nice products

copper juniper
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welp they did it to themselfs with their bad behavior

rocky trail
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Hmm I guess I'll eventually want a minipc for HA

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Right now running on a pi400 keyboard because that's all I could get at the time 😂

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Might try in a VM on my NAS but not sure about USB passthrough for my zwave and zigbee controllers, and also it's in my garage pretty far from most of the networks

onyx aspen
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not sure if this would go here.

I've got a 13.3 in touchscreen to use as a dashboard.

basically i'm harvesting power off my thermostats (about 24vac -> 12vdc buck)

i was using a raspberry pi to push the dashboard but my god it it large.

I was thinking about doing wireless HDMI to the screen but not sure how to transmit the touches from the touchscreen to the pi wirelessly

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i think what i'm looking for is like a wireless usb hub but i don't think that exsists

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anyone have any thoughts on how to accomplish this?

other alternative is i just get a bigger screen to hide stuff better.....or bury it behind the wall which is less than ideal

tawny rover
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RDP or VNC?

cold moon
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crowdsource bad

winged knoll
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Crowdsource ... variable

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Sometimes good
Sometimes bad
Sometimes ... please hold

cold moon
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link including tracking bad

winged knoll
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Please do edit out the tracking link @bold leaf

cold moon
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Original: October 2022
Current: February 2023 ```
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it's a company from hong kong that i've never heard of -> missed dates by ~6months -> that's a no from me dawg

winged knoll
cold moon
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it's a cool idea i guess

patent pasture
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Hi All, wondeirng what suggestions everyone has for thermostats that can be controlled through HA. This would be for a thermostat that goes in a short term rental so would need to be fully controllable from the unit itself, but also want remote control via HA. I'm currently using Honeywell Total Comfort Connect based thermostat for my house and it's decent. Wondering if there is a better option tese days

cold moon
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either ecobee (what i use) or honeywell zwave is probably what i'd suggest

patent pasture
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Single zone is what i"m looking for

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I was looking at the honeywell zwave

quaint jay
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The Honeywell z-waves are what I use, and they seem fine to me. My only complaint is that that they are not quite as easy to buy as I would like, as they are mostly sold through supply houses.

bold leaf
bold leaf
quaint jay
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So... knowing that SD cards have limited endurance, and wanting to avoid any issues from that, last april I set up my PI to boot from USB, and use an SSD.
Not even a full year later, and that SSD died. (Bunch of sectors became unreadable, including parts of the rootfs, and the ext4 superblock of the data partition).

I also did not have an recent off-device backups (which was really dumb of me), and recovering the on-device backups was quite an adventure. (ddrescue to create an image of the partition, running e2fsck on it, and finding the backups as numbered files in /lost+found).

So now I need to pick a new storage solution for home assistant, and I'm not feeling all that good about SSDs connected over USB anymore.

patent pasture
warm moat
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I'm a noobie but, assuming I currently have a dumb light switch (2 buttons) however I wanna replace this with a zemismart 3 button switch, can the 2 buttons work as normal and the 3rd one customised, ie will it have any power

bold leaf
quaint jay
cold moon
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Yellow is garbage you’re better off with a mini pc

lime crane
bold leaf
bold leaf
quaint jay
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Yeah, a waranty where I have to pay to send it in, which will cost most of what the drive cost in the first place.

bold leaf
bold leaf
cold moon
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Used mini pc or used laptop is the way to go

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I went with used laptop myself

bold leaf
cold moon
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New gen laptops with a broken screen are sold working for scrap prices because new screens are $200+

bold leaf
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CAD$18.21

quaint jay
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Yeah. I mean it wasn't a terribly expensive drive, being only $49 when I bought it. (I was not trying to be cheap, but simply wanted a drive known to not have issues booting RPI4 over USB, and obviously something like a Samsung Evo series would be overkill.

I'm not sure there is good compatibility data available for USB M.2 adapters with booting a RPI4. For sata, only some cable and drive combinations work. Others don't. It's weirdly picky.

cold moon
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You either have bad luck or your ssd was written to too many times but these days even low end ssds have more TBW than hass can kill

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Samsung evo aren’t overkill when they’re rarely 20% over ‘median’ cost

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The raspi 4 only cares about what usb to ssd/nvme enclosure is used not the actual drives

bold leaf
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I have 2 or 3 older Lenovo ThinkCentre M73's I picked up cheap and am not using...

cold moon
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Make a toaster botnet

bold leaf
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toaster botnet??

cold moon
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Toaster botnet

bold leaf
cold moon
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Yea toaster botnet

quaint jay
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My toasters don't have enough cpu to be useful in a botnet. Barely have a microcontroller.

bold leaf
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smart toasters can be conscripted into botnets!

cold moon
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Toaster = shit pc

bold leaf
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My toaster just eats electricity and toasts bread!

cold moon
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Hence the name

bold leaf
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The one Lenovo I was using ran HomeSeer, then HA, then DNS server, now retired...

digital timber
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for the sonoff zigbee gateway, do I want the E or P dongle? Or is it a case of "Whichever's cheaper"?

cobalt heath
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Hi all, I am looking at TRV's to manage my heating, you should always boost the main thermostat when the TRV detects a too cold temperature ?

shrewd gorge
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Just getting started with HA and I have a RPi 3B+ running off an SD card. I see everywhere that eventually that is going to break. My plan is to eventually set up a few IP cameras that record (motion only) to HA or a connected drive.
I'm sure you get this question a LOT, but what's the best way to slowly upgrade?

  1. Don't change anything, but periodically back everything up on an external drive and wait for the SD to die?
  2. $ Switch to SSD on RPi 3B+?
  3. $$ Buy a Pi 4 or similar and use an SSD?
  4. $$ Buy a used/cheap mini pc or NUC?
rich venture
digital timber
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I would go with option 4. the SD card in your pi will hold you for about a year with 1 camera, halve that for 2. IF you get an external drive on the pi that's fast enough for the cameras and move logs to it, the SD card should last a few years

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but you're going to run into CPU bottlenecks with the Pi3 and more than 2 or 3 cameras. Not to mention ram

shrewd gorge
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Appreciate the input! It makes sense that the RPi 3 is CPU and RAM limited, but I had one and figured I'd get HA up and running with it. Seems like everyone recommends option 4 for long term.

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Also, could you help me understand the difference between

  • SD
  • USB flash drive
  • Internal HDD (from old laptops)
  • External SSD (USB)
  • Internal SSD (SATA to USB)
    and which should I keep away from for the HA OS?
digital timber
shrewd gorge
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That's a great point, I will definitely hang on to my Pi

digital timber
# shrewd gorge Also, could you help me understand the difference between - SD - USB flash drive...

SD cards and Flash drives will always fail faster than other drive types because they're straight flash with no wear leveling and no redundancy. You can mitigate this partially by using a flash aware file system like f2fs or ext4 with the flash wear leveling function turned on and journaling off. But it's still going to degrade your flash storage faster than an SSD which will have a controller. internal/external HDD will be fine over USB if that's all you got. Just remember that USB will limit the amount of parralel read/write ops. "internal" drives connected to the pi via a sata or pci-e hat will have the best throughput. Which by the way, doesn't help you, you need a Pi4 or Compute Module Pi for PCI-e.

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as always, with all these options, backups are your friend. How you backup doesn't matter so much as long as you can reliably restore them. ALWAYS test your backup solution by doing a restore after any major upgrades to it, either the software itself, the OS running it or hardware swaps.

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if you want a reliable backup solution that doesn't suck, and you have a system you can put it on with enough space, I highly recommend UrBackup. It can be a bit wonky with initial setup but once it's going it just works. And it has a plethera of really nice restore options.

shrewd gorge
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Very helpful info. Meaning internal vs. external SSDs should have roughly the same life? The only difference being that an external SSD lacks sata, limiting its read/write speed?

digital timber
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yes. SSDs of sufficient quality will have years of life. USB limits transfer speed and number of transfers. Very important if you have a lot of things trying to access the drive at once like 4+ cameras

shrewd gorge
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So if I were to make a small purchase to "upgrade" my RPi 3, I should get an internal SSD and connect it via a USB to SATA adapter. Then I have the SSD when I upgrade to a mini pc.

I just installed the Google Drive addon since I want my backups off the SD card which could become corrupted if/when it dies.

digital timber
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if you can, get a used enterprise SSD from ebay, make sure you communicate with the seller and make them tell you the total lifetime written terabytes and look up what the drive is rated for, if it's less than 50% then you can expect MANY years out of it as a HA drive

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the reason I'm suggesting this, and it's the ONLY time I suggest a used SSD, is because enterprise SSDs are gaurenteed to have proper ram and flash controllers and are built to handle many hundreds of TB written before failing. Expect a decade+ out of one with only half it's life used.

shrewd gorge
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Dumb question. Is "enterprise" a brand or quality rating?

digital timber
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if the seller is unwilling or unable to tell you, move on. don't waste your time

digital timber
cold moon
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TBW on consumer drives is fine these days

digital timber
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they usually have "DC" as part of the model or branding

cold moon
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Samsung evo 870 or similar will take any punishment you throw at it

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You’re talking to him like he’s building out a homelab not a box for hass

digital timber
digital timber
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And not to discredit SHS's point, yes, consumer SSDs are fine as well, but buy them new. And ALWAYS make sure the firmware is up to date. See the 970/980 Evo debacle with premature wear as an example

shrewd gorge
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I may just buy a cheaper consumer SSD for now and consider buying a DC drive once I have further developed my hass and know what I want out of it.

digital timber
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And, full disclosure, I am biased. I do run a homelab with proper enterprise equipment so my recommendations are going to be geared towards what I would view as acceptable in my environment.

digital timber
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but for now, while you're learning and getting things up and running, a pi with SD card is going to be a fine starter

shrewd gorge
shrewd gorge
digital timber
shrewd gorge
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Ah, good to know!

digital timber
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to answer your other question. the A400 you asked about lacks a ram cache. and as such will be SEVERELY hindered in speeds if it has to serve multiple things at once. This was another point I made in support of the enterprise-grade drives. You don't have to go searching to see if the drive you're buying is built sanely or not.

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by built sanely I mean "Has DRAM"

shrewd gorge
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Makes sense why it's so cheap then

digital timber
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expanding on SAS: SAS is another beast entirely, It's a predominate technology in servers and high end workstations but you almost never see it in consumer gear, Serial Attached SCSI is, in effect, 2 SATA ports crammed into one, with some special other stuff... you can always attach a SATA drive to a SAS port and it'll work, but the reverse is never true, a SAS drive REQUIRES a SAS controller.

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99.9% of any used servers you buy will be equipped for SAS, if you decide to go that route. and from there it won't matter what you buy. But unless and until you "graduate" to that level, be aware that you most likely won't be able to use SAS drives without investing in an HBA and proper cabling.

shrewd gorge
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I appreciate the info! Saved me a potential hassle :)

cold moon
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Save yourself more future hassle and just build a new gen pc instead of buying used server gear due to power draw and performance lol

#

And I say this as someone with two used enterprise servers at home

shrewd gorge
#

Yeah, I'd rather not buy a space heater, lol. I figure as long as I don't go wild, I can make do with a mini pc for a good long while.

cold moon
#

For home assistant definitely

zealous dune
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get an N100 mini PC and you're not sucking power at all

digital timber
#

I mean, depending on what you're buying, the enterprise hardware isn't that bad for power efficiency, and it's more reliable

rocky trail
#

ugh these damn WiZ bulbs 😔

#

they keep trying to convince me it's my network

glossy prism
#

Wut?

rocky trail
#

me? I got a bunch of WiZ bulbs on home depot. when the lights are on, they're fine and responsive. if I turn the off (from the app/HA, not cutting power) they slow down to crap, like they go into low power mode or something

#

sometimes take 5-10 seconds to turn on

#

but when they're on, they're great

outer knotBOT
#

@rocky trail I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

📎 message.txt
glossy prism
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Was just about to ask for that, heh

rocky trail
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ordered a new one from amazon to see if it does the same thing. not philips branded, just wiz. exact same

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on multiple routers/multiple network setups

glossy prism
#

Interesting for sure. 5-10 seconds seems excessive though

cold moon
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so when you're having issues with hardware you decided to double down and buy more of that hardware?

#

you crazy

rocky trail
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I can return it

cold moon
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ye

rocky trail
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I wanted to see if the ones from home depot were defective

#

I mean it really seems like it just goes to some sort of power saving mode on the network, which is dumb because it's always plugged in

#

wish I could get in contact with dev team instead of regular customer support

#

lol

glossy prism
#

Ah yes, I bet those replies are fun and not canned at all

rocky trail
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they're actually not. they seem to be really trying to help and are very responsive

glossy prism
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please power cycle your router

#

Ah nice

rocky trail
#

but I know it's not my network

#

but I don't have linked in premium 😦

#

might do that soon

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they keep telling me to disable 2.4gz on my other router while trying on hotspot and I keep telling them I did. I wonder if they're looking at it from the cloud and seeing it still on. I disabled it, tested it, same crap, re-enabled it.

copper juniper
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most tech support is scripted

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as the techs don't know anything

shrewd gorge
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So, I've been gathering WiFi based bulbs/switches/outlets over time and I'm wondering if (local) WiFi a good idea. They're either TP-Link or off-brand Tuya, so I can use LocalTuya to access everything locally. Is this just as reliable as Zigbee / Z-wave / <insert most reliable protocol>?

winged knoll
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Assuming your WiFi is reliable, and the devices aren't Tuya crap

shrewd gorge
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It's just the bulbs that are Tuya, so they're easily replaceable. Hard to pass up a bulb for $5 that has worked so far.

winged knoll
#

There is a reason they're so cheap...

cold moon
shrewd gorge
cold moon
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tuya is at best shit quality and at worst chyna cloud + shit quality

#

and wifi bulbs and switches are also not a good option compared to meshes like zigbee/zwave and eventually thread

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one or two are fine but not decking out a whole house with wifi IoT shit

shrewd gorge
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I understand Tuya is terrible quality, but I can't complain when it works, and I can control them locally.

Where/how exactly does WiFi fall short of zigbee/zwave/thread?

rocky trail
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they all need to communicate with a central point instead of each other, for one

#

if you have a nice mesh wifi network I would imagine it wouldn't be too bad. I'm thinking about doing it except the wiz bulbs are bad 😭

#

I already have a bunch of hue but zigbee bulbs are so expensive

#

I haven't been happy with the hue bridge (mainly lack of instant updates to HA) but maybe I'll try pairing the bulbs directly

#

WiZ support finally escalated the problem for me though, maybe there's a chance it can get fixed 😂

#

but I also have a good mesh wifi setup, and will isolate all these bulbs to only talk to home assistant with a VLAN, and then occasionally give them internet access if there's a firmware update I want

rocky trail
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lol this is funny from thread though

Long gone are the days of proprietary hubs and bridges. Thread accessories communicate with each other with a single border router, and you may already have one—a HomePod® mini and Apple TV® 4K can both act as a border router.```

"no hub or bridge" because you likely already have one 🙄
shrewd gorge
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I appreciate your answer, that is helpful. So WiFi falls short because devices must connect to the central router, rather than creating a mesh amongst themselves?

rocky trail
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yeah. also a lot (but not all) wifi devices are totally cloud dependent, and don't have local control

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but you already know that and will only get ones that you can control locally

#

zigbee is my preference for most things but it's also a lot more expensive for most things

#

like a wiz BR30 full color wifi bulb is $15, hue equivalent is $50

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which for one bulb, not a huge deal

#

but for a whole house it adds up

shrewd gorge
#

I wonder if there's a WiFi connected devices limit? My router is WiFi 6, if that helps at all.

WiFi bulbs are just so dang cheap, because WiFi has been around for so long that a WiFi radio is dirt cheap. I can get a decent WiFi color bulb for $5 now.

rocky trail
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probably doesn't help because most of the devices are not wifi6

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depends on your router. you can definitely get routers and access points than can handle whatever you wanna throw at them, it'll just be much heavier duty networking equipment

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I use a ubiquiti edgerouter and unifi access points, and can handle whatever I need. I hope.

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I hope WiZ is able to sort out my problem because these bulbs will be great if they do.

#

There's no reason they need to go into sleep/low power mode, these board use barely any energy anyway.

#

2kwh/yr/bulb without going into sleep for them to run 24/7 in standard power mode

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(not counting lighting cost when they're on, of course)

#

it's like they took a bunch of code meant for a device on battery and didn't change it for a device always plugged in

fringe crater
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For $15 you don't get any original code, they just slap together whatever bits they can scrape from other projects and ship it 😛

rocky trail
#

yeah probably

#

but seriously, if these things were just responsive when the lights were turned off they'd be so good

lime crane
shrewd gorge
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Lol, try Tuya bulbs with LocalTuya, might be faster 🤣

rocky trail
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As long as I get what I need, don't care much about the supply problems. 😂

#

They won't last forever. I hope.

cold moon
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they've been having stocking issues for years now

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year before covid it was still bad

rocky trail
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I guess. I've still been able to get what I need lately. (two U6-Pro, a USW-24-PoE, and a USW-Flex)

cold moon
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you'll spend $400 on a switch but cheap out on light bulbs?

rocky trail
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I need a lot more light bulbs than switches.

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But yeah I guess you're right. I haven't been fully happy with Hue either though anyway

spice frigate
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Looking to get a bunch of energy monitoring plugs. Any reason not to get the S31s? And maybe eventually flash them with EspHome? I have no devices right now. Zigbee is another idea, but it sounds like there isn't a major enough reason to go that route.

cold moon
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They’re a bitch to solder on to the tiny pads to flash tho

spice frigate
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I read somebody bought some pogopins for doing that

cold moon
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I like hard mode

sinful lion
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Hi there , I have a sky connect and ever since turning on Multiprotocol I can not get zigbee to work. I tried re setting up ZHA but get stuck at select radio type?

cold moon
sinful lion
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Ok wasn’t sure since connect is hardware sold by home assistant. A little disappointing they don’t have official support for it

cold moon
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The zigbee channel is the support I guess

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People get help there often

sinful lion
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I guess

cold moon
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I’ve seen your issue before tho

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You can probably search here and find the answer

sinful lion
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I’ll give that a shot I tried some solutions from forums that didn’t work

bold leaf
lime crane
golden thorn
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And use some flux

drifting grove
#

Hi, all. Before I open new issue, I want to be sure I am not doing something wrong.
I have LD2410B module (BLE version with 1.25mm solder points). I am powering it from 5V USB supply. I have ESPhome BLE proxy running on ESP32. The ESP32 can see the sensor no problem, I can add it as integration and it works and happily reports everything it should.
But.
After ~10-12 hours of operation, suddenly the sensor updates stop and I can't get it working again. Tried to restart the ESP32, tried to restart the sensor, but I still get no updates. The only thing that worked was to remove the integration, then manually add integration with LD2410 - the HA immediately identified the device and offered it in the next step, so I just added it again.
I am not sure if the problem is the LD2410, or the BLEproxy on ESP32, or me doing something wrong.
I did not re-configure the LD2410 in any way, I have brand new installation of HA and ESP32 BLE proxy.
Any ideas where might be the problem?

glossy prism
cold moon
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The sense of pride and accomplishment?!

glossy prism
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Ok EA

cold moon
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don’t you guys have phones?

azure kernel
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Hey guys I have a question have some one a good outdoor security cam that is easy to integrate in home assistant my budget is 200-250€

winged knoll
azure kernel
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Okay thanks

karmic cargo
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Hope I'm in the right place...
I've got some smart bulbs in one room but also want to be able to dim & toggle on/off from a physical switch on the wall. I know a dumb dimmer will work, but that's probably not the best bet for a smart bulb, and when it's switched off, HA can't turn it back on.
Do smart switches work well when controlling smart bulbs (if so, how do I handle the fact that the dimmer is trying to cut power to the bulbs to dim them, when they can just be told to dim themselves), or is there a better way of having on-wall control?
We have the app on our phones, but lets face it, it can be a hassle to get the phone out, unlock it, and fire up the app just to dim the lights as I walk into a room.

cold moon
karmic cargo
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huh... I (obviously) didn't know that. I'll take a look at the smart switch I've got (not controlling smart bulbs) to see if it's compatible.

cold moon
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i use zigbee smart bulbs and zwave smart switches in smart bulb mode to control them + motion sensors and other automations based on time of day etc

karmic cargo
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TYVM

cold moon
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if you use zigbee bulbs+switches or zwave bulbs+switches you can bind/direct associate them so they still work without home assistant

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not super common or necessary but it's useful if you want things to work even if hass is down

fringe crater
#

Definitely stay far away from dumb dimmer, smart bulbs cannot be dimmed; they might be damaged or destroyed.

karmic cargo
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Yeah, I knew that part. Unfortunately, it's still habit to hit the dimmer sometimes, especially when the lights are acting up (because I still don't have all my automations dialed in the way I'd like).

cold moon
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lights are acting up?

karmic cargo
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Yeah, that. 🙂

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also, disagreements about how bright things should be & when...

cold moon
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ya i ran into that

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i like lights to go to 30% after 10pm but others like manual dimming not automated

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some people's brains are just wrong

rocky trail
cold moon
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lots of them

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i use zooz zwave switches but inovelli blues have it to

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same with most others as far as i know

rocky trail
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wow. I had no idea. I have like 10 year old GE ones, wonder if I can firmware update for that

fringe crater
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I don't think GE has any features

cold moon
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ge/jasco used to be shit quality

rocky trail
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I mean, they're fine, but they don't have any of those features

cold moon
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apparently that squirrel of a man LTT bullied them into upgrading firmware to be less shitty on their new gen ones

rocky trail
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or didn't.

cold moon
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i have those all around the house now

rocky trail
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my personal preference for smart bulbs is wired always on and lutron pico remotes with a pro hub

cold moon
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gross

rocky trail
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lol

#

but that was before I knew of this. sounds much better

cold moon
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well it depends

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ideally you'd use zigbee bulbs and switches

rocky trail
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I was so mad lutron discontinued the connected bulb remote 😞

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have a few of those

cold moon
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i bought all hue bulbs then moved those to z2m and then wanted switch controls and settled on zooz switches because they were $25each or so

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then the inovelli blue zigbee switches came out that do the same thing but are $50 each and backordered for months

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problem with my setup is if home assistant is down i cant control the lights with my switches

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cuz i need to go zwave -> home assistant -> zigbee

rocky trail
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yeah

cold moon
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i can bind the bulbs to motion sensors or remotes or whatever but that's not really perfect either

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cuz i prefer automating with home assistant and advanced configs

rocky trail
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me too, definitely.

cold moon
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so if zigbee is dead i cant use my switches or my bulbs, if zwave is dead i cant use my switches or my bulbs, if hass is dead i cant use my switches or my bulbs

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with that being said i'm aware of the risks with my setup and am ok with the trade-offs

rocky trail
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wifi! 😔

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yeah. I just wanna make it so anyone can easily turn on and off the lights

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not have to deal with stupid crap

cold moon
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a single tap with the light switches turns the bulbs on/off in the house just like dumb ones

rocky trail
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not worried about HASS going down

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that's great. I'll look into that

cold moon
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then i do double or triple taps for various other things

rocky trail
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and then from HASS you can actually cut the power to the bulbs if you need to?

fringe crater
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That happened to me last week actually. Accidentally kicked out the ethernet cord to my pi running z2m and I couldn't control my lights. Was frantically trying to debug/fix before wife realized the switches did not work. 🪦
Luckily resolved it before anyone was any wiser 🙂

cold moon
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i run haos on a used laptop

cold moon
rocky trail
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right that's fine

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not something needed often

cold moon
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if zigbee stick dies i can just replace the zigbee stick, if zwave stick dies i can nvm restore from a backup i have, if hass dies i can restore on a new device or in a vm or whatever pretty quick

fringe crater
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I think Zooz have a magic button press you can use to turn on/off smart bulb mode, so you can flip back to manual control if everything goes to shit.

cold moon
#

if i had money to blow i could have a cold spare

cold moon
rocky trail
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that sounds great, I need to look into these switches

cold moon
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"manual programming" in zooz allows you to program the switches / factory default them

rocky trail
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back when I got all my z-wave switches they were all pretty dumb

cold moon
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but if you disable it then you can start using triple tap scenes

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so it's better to disable it

rocky trail
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just on/off and remote control

cold moon
karmic cargo
cold moon
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i just setup one of these recently to replace a normal zwave light switch

glossy prism
#

Just don't have any emergencies smart

cold moon
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they have flashlights fuck em

#

in a perfect world i'd have led strips above the baseboards all around the house on a UPS which would have emergency mode if power is off

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i dont have the $ to throw at that tho

#

the strips wouldnt be that expensive but the aluminum channels+diffusers and wiring and psus would add up

rocky trail
#

ugh I hate that wifi stuff is so much cheaper

karmic cargo
#

I like the look of those Zooz switches and really like the prices. Those are z-wave, though, I'd prefer zigbee and not have to jump through hoops...

cold moon
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the only wifi stuff i like is for wled

#

what hoops

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but they're $50 each, new and having firmware issues unless that's been resolved, and backordered with maybe march delivery

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people like them though

karmic cargo
# cold moon what hoops

at this point, anything beyond what I've currently got working (Zigbee & some WiFi) is a hoop I'd rather not jump through.

cold moon
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it's common to want to stick to a single mesh IoT technology (zigbee vs zwave vs eventually-thread)

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although now with esphome's bluetooth proxies it's easy to extend a bluetooth mesh too

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which is nice for low cost sensors if you're poor

karmic cargo
#

though... looking at those prices has me tempted. Plus, thesmartesthouse.com's prices seem to be better than what I've been seeing on Amazon!

cold moon
#

that's who owns them

karmic cargo
#

ah...

cold moon
#

they dont have sales on amazon that match their own site

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also they have quarterly sales where things go really cheap

karmic cargo
#

I was looking at the Aqara sensors - I've got a few of those and prices there are cheaper than the big river

cold moon
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like black friday etc

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aqara you should just buy from aliexpress depending on which items

rocky trail
#

wow the zooz smart garage thing looks nice, but I already have two old linear z-wave garage ones

cold moon
#

sometimes they are only like $2 cheaper on alie vs amazon, sometimes half the price

fringe crater
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shipping though :\

karmic cargo
#

Probably wandering off topic for the channel here, but I'll risk it. 🙂 what's involved in adding in Z-Wave to the setup? Is it really as easy as plugging in the USB Z-wave stick (passing it through to the docker) then HA sees it and all is good?

rocky trail
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pretty much

#

if passing through docker is easy

cold moon
#

usb stick with a usb extension cable on it*

rocky trail
#

I am running on an RPi right now so don't do that part

fringe crater
#

only drawback is you need to basically build an entire new mesh again, so you have to make sure you have coverage to reach wherever that end device is going

cold moon
karmic cargo
rocky trail
#

why extension cable?

glossy prism
#

|| also it's called a container, not a docker ||

cold moon
cold moon
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i gave up trying to correct people

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"mah dockers do the things"

#

your pants?!

rocky trail
#

I know plenty about containers 😂

cold moon
#

nah you're using it wrong it's just gotten more common for people to use it wrong

rocky trail
#

not "through a docker"

#

nope.

glossy prism
#

My comment wasn't directed at you

rocky trail
#

oh

karmic cargo
#

Failed pedant test. Sorry...

glossy prism
rocky trail
#

whoa that that youtube video is nuts

karmic cargo
#

Yeah, I was typing quickly. I do know the difference...

rocky trail
#

I haven't had any issues so far

#

z-wave stick plugged directly into rpi

cold moon
#

yea you have interference you just havent noticed it

rocky trail
#

but extension cable is easy enough

glossy prism
cold moon
#

per my discussions in #zigbee-archived it should really be a usb 2.0 cable or 3.0 in a 2.0 port

#

otherwise you're just extending the problem

glossy prism
#

ACKCHYUALLY

cold moon
#

it's been misquoted as being the chipset instead of the ports but it's actually the ports

rocky trail
#

huh

cold moon
#

but the extension cable also helps move away from usb to ssd adapters and metal racks and other things that can cause interference

#

not just the ports

rocky trail
#

yeah

#

I've got some usb2.0 extension cables around somewhere

cold moon
#

and then there are suggestions to use a shielded cable

rocky trail
#

it would be nice to have all my switches the same if they're smart bulbs or just smart switches

cold moon
#

word

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it's also nice with my setup cuz i dont have to worry with traveler wires or any advanced config for three way / four way / whatever

#

button presses make bulb do things so no need for that

rocky trail
#

would probably mean dumping caseta entirely, except I have a few places where the picos are just mounted on the wall next to a real switch but not in a box

cold moon
#

i have each light switch single tap turn the lights in a room on/off (for example master light switch on turns on both master lamp and master ceiling)

#

then double taps do all lights in room to 30%

#

then triple taps do different stuff per room

karmic cargo
cold moon
#

i.e. triple tap in master starts a script that turns tv on, starts playing a plex playlist, sets lights to turn off after a minute, locks doors, says goodnight, etc

rocky trail
#

Up to 500 feet of range in open space and 130 feet indoors (depending on building construction and other factors)

#

Up to a 1000 feet of range in open space and 250 feet indoors (depending on building construction and other factors)

#

yeah

cold moon
karmic cargo
#

Saw that part, anything else?

rocky trail
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I see you already said that

karmic cargo
#

Ah...

cold moon
#

they're the same device i think

#

one is just open box

#

either way you want the 700 series if the other one isnt

#

you can technically buy the 800 series but i wouldnt

#

it doesnt currently support backup/restore and it is new so not many people have it so no telling what bugs in the firmware exist

karmic cargo
#

Saw the 800, too. Can't fathom needing 1 mile range, since i don't live on a ranch or farm.

rocky trail
#

the 700 manual says it's a different chip

cold moon
#

zwave js doesnt support long range anyways

#

maybe eventually it will you'd have to look on github

rocky trail
#

my mailbox is up the street in a locker type thing, I could use long range to know when it's opened and closed 😭

#

but that's literally all I'd need it for

cold moon
#

not that long range tho

karmic cargo
#

Hmmm... the price difference on 2 or 3 switches would make up for the cost of the stick, plus I'd get to control smart bulbs, too.

cold moon
#

i have it do TTS to homepod minis in the house with the old AOL You've got mail! mp3 lol

#

and also notify my phone

karmic cargo
#

I'm liking this idea. Thanks, @cold moon It's just not something I'd have considered before today.

cold moon
#

$5 sensor ftw

rocky trail
#

anyone use these?

cold moon
#

i have lots of good ideas which one?

rocky trail
#

could potentially replace my wall mounted picos

karmic cargo
#

integrating Zwave in addition to Zigbee

rocky trail
#

probably stick out just a little but no big deal

cold moon
#

tbh i never really suggested that

#

it's what i use and like but you gotta build out two meshes

#

it's not for everyone

rocky trail
#

z-wave still have a 256 device limit?

karmic cargo
#

"building two meshes" isn't really something you do by hand, though, is it? they just connect to each other and call it a day, right?

cold moon
#

i'm not aware of limits but that's pretty high

rocky trail
#

that is high yes

karmic cargo
#

I've not intentionally done anything with Zigbee and it "just works".

cold moon
#

zigbee2mqtt and zha have similar limitations

rocky trail
#

same with z-wave for me, I just add devices, make sure there's enough close enough, and the mesh just works

cold moon
glossy prism
#

I think it's 232

cold moon
#

it has half the bandwidth and the technologies are different with how the drivers work

#

zigbee is much more forgiving and you dont need to understand as much to do more complicated things

rocky trail
#

yeah that's true. z-wave can sometimes be a pain

cold moon
#

with zwave you can easily flood your mesh by joining devices and allowing their default configs to wreak havoc on the mesh

karmic cargo
#

Oh... ATM, I'm thinking I'd probably just go with the switches because these are cheap and have the "combine with the smart bulb" feature that my Embrighten/Jasco doesn't seem to have.

cold moon
#

and sometimes you cant even configure things it's just built into the firmware of the device

rocky trail
#

there's a bunch of types of devices that are harder to find in zigbee

#

*or were when I was looking at this stuff years ago

karmic cargo
#

OK... suggestions on Zigbee switches that'll play nice with Zigbee bulbs?

#

(and are priced reasonably nice)

cold moon
#

you basically have two choices - inovelli blue backorder or random chinese shit like aqara

#

hence zwave suggestions lol

#

and most of the zigbee switches i've seen are the uk/eu style only a couple options for us decora style

karmic cargo
#

well, there you have it!

#

interesting. I haven't had any issues with the few Aqara devices I've got. Are they known to be trouble? I've got a box full waiting to be installed...

cold moon
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as long as you buy sufficient amount of switches so they arent trying to mesh far away and you limit the reporting of any sensors you use it's fine

cold moon
karmic cargo
rocky trail
#

since they're not in stock new

cold moon
karmic cargo
#

thanks again for the thoughts. I'll have a think about it and maybe buy a few for trial.

fringe crater
#

Zooz dimmers don't have smart bulb mode though, so watch out.

cold moon
rocky trail
#

🤦

#

thanks

karmic cargo
rocky trail
#

the page says they do

fringe crater
#

You can use zooz, just not the dimmer ones. you just want the on/off switch.

cold moon
fringe crater
#

huh. I had one and it didn't, I forget which one though

#

let me check

rocky trail
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ah the new one doesn't

#

the discontinued one says it does

cold moon
#

yeah

#

check the parameters

rocky trail
#

well that's a shame

cold moon
#

the advanced config will either have an option or it wont

fringe crater
#

it really makes no sense to pay for a dimmer if you want smart bulb though, it's just wasted circuitry

cold moon
#

agreed i dont have any dimmers i have all zen76 and a couple zen71

#

which are basically the same sans three way iirc

#

couple of parameters are different

rocky trail
#

zen77 shows smart bulb parameter there

cold moon
# 

Parameter 15: Enable or disable paddle on/off control (aka disable the relay). If disabled, you’ll only be able to control the connected light via Z-Wave. Scenes and other functionality will still be available through paddles.```
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correct

karmic cargo
rocky trail
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weird it's not listed as a feature on the main page when it is on the old one

cold moon
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i use multi taps for that

rocky trail
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again for me any of it is fine

cold moon
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i.e. if im dimming im probably just going to want to go to like 30%

rocky trail
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there are other people living in my house

cold moon
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so double tap = 30% single tap = 100%

rocky trail
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need switches that act as close to normal switches as possible

cold moon
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hence single tap = 100% "normal switch"

rocky trail
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right, but they need to dim as well

cold moon
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then they can learn how to use them

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lol

rocky trail
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ugh $169 to get free shipping what else should I buy

cold moon
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smart bulb mode means you arent going to just be able to hold down the dimmer and it dim the lights unless you setup an automation with that

cold moon
karmic cargo
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One of the advantages of all this tech is that we should each be able to use it in a way that suits us. 😉

rocky trail
fringe crater
cold moon
cold moon
rocky trail
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already have a dome valve shutoff

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I do

cold moon
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oh different guy

rocky trail
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ah I'll just pay shipping this time

cold moon
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too cool for a zen32?

rocky trail
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not cool enough for a zen32

cold moon
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be cooler if you were

rocky trail
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plus that only gets me to $90 😂

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zen77 + zen32 now to try them out before redoing the whole house

cold moon
rocky trail
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use nest for that

cold moon
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you can add that to existing interconnected smoke alarms

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eww

copper juniper
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why is max led load diff from max load hmmm

fringe crater
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inrush current

cold moon
rocky trail
# cold moon eww

yeah not really overall happy with it but not changing them all out now

cold moon
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nest is cancer

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all of it

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it is a google product after all

copper juniper
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mhmmm

karmic cargo
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Huh... the Zen72 has a min load of 15-20w. That's not handy if all you're running is 4 LED bulbs. Guess that pushes me to the Zen77. (No need for multi-way switching)

cold moon
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i think you're confused with what the dimmer is going to do in smart bulb mode dude

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it isnt going to dim

karmic cargo
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Not even with an automation picking it up and telling the bulb to dim?

cold moon
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i dont think there are scenes for hold

karmic cargo
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I'm fine with figuring that part out.

cold moon
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only multi press

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you should be able to confirm that though

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@sudden galleon ttttttoday junior

copper juniper
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i just went with cheap rf433mhz switches; seems to work just fine

sudden galleon
cold moon
fringe crater
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I think I've seen that an LED bulb consumes something like 100x its steady state current for the first millisecond it is powered on. That's why you are limited to less LED bulbs on a circuit than incandescent.

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Too many will blow up the smart switch.

copper juniper
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dang; that really bad design

cold moon
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damn diodes we tricked into lighting up

sudden galleon
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There: I'm currently running brand new VM HAOS on my pc and I wanna migrate it to my spare jetson nano 2g that i got. Is it good enough for running smart lights and smart plugs with a few automations and scripts. I'm planning to add cameras in a few months.

cold moon
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sbcs suck man stick to a vm or get a mini pc or something

copper juniper
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used mini pcs are cheap too

cold moon
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this man is talking to us while riding a bike and streaming on twitch

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what am i doing with my life

copper juniper
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I'll never run ha on a pi again

sudden galleon
karmic cargo
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hrm... Actually, I just tested and I get a Zigbee activity in the log when I press the paddle on my current switch to dim the light. Maybe I can figure out an automation to capture that, set the switch back to 100% and tell the bulbs to dim. Oh, wait. that switch is controlling dumb bulbs. 😦 Need to have that switch mess with bulbs in another room to test! LOL.
Thanks all for giving me things to think about & test out. gonna run...

cold moon
sudden galleon
cold moon
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cool

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it would be cooler if you did it diy instead of just buying those things and filling in the config though 😛

karmic cargo
cold moon
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there's no one right answer just depends on what you want man

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you'll figure it out or realize you prefer a more advanced way later and change it

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https://dpaste.org/b3v61 here's an example automation where my zwave light switch turns on my wled led strip and my hue bulbs in a zigbee group on/off based on light switch top/bottom paddle press

rocky trail
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so they're not just top/bottom push button but actually physically move

cold moon
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they dont need to do that with the zooz

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they dont flip up/down they just press and bounce back

rocky trail
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I know. I want them to flip up and down

cold moon
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gross

rocky trail
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like old regular switches 😂

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but then when I control with z-wave, they do that themselves too

cold moon
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i guess look into shelly or similar in-wall shit then

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i'm personally not a fan

rocky trail
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nah these will be fine

cold moon
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i've been using these switches for a year or two and they're nice

rocky trail
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I will accept not being able to tell the status from looking at the switch

cold moon
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well you can

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there is a LED that you can control

rocky trail
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yeah that's true

cold moon
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but instead of using the LED for that you can use it for alarm arm status or lock door status etc

rocky trail
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nice

cold moon
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well you can with automations

rocky trail
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need to make it blink when the laundry is done

cold moon
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you wont notice that

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send a notification and tts through smart speakers

rocky trail
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I know. I'll make the lights flash instead

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yeah alexa already tells me actually

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but only in one room

cold moon
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if you're hyperfocused you'll notice that and continue on

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eww alexa too

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why you gotta have all the bad shit

rocky trail
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cause it was first

cold moon
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nest, alexa,

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next you're gonna tell me you slap babies

rocky trail
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I'm still using literally the original echo in my office

cold moon
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i bet you kiss girls too! smile

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jk in case that isnt obvious

rocky trail
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nice blueprint already exists for zen77 include hold up and hold down

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should be easy enough

cold moon
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you probably need to confirm that actually works in smart bulb mode tho

rocky trail
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yeah

cold moon
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my guess is no lol

rocky trail
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I mean, it says it days

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or do you mean the blueprint won't work when it's in smart bulb mode?

cold moon
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the event wont be sent

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probably

rocky trail
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damn

cold moon
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idk confirm it

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zooz is good with customer service message them

rocky trail
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I'll just try it first

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and then if I have issues contact them

sudden galleon
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is possible to use 2 dumb light switches together (1 to keep bulb turn on in stand by and 1 as normal dumb switch on/off) for 1 smart bulb without using 3rd ground wire on a smart bulb?

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kinda like smart shelly switch

karmic cargo
rocky trail
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lol yeah

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my home automation has been such a mess for years can't wait to finally get things cleaned up

fringe crater
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zen71 sends held and release scenes when in smart bulb mode

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would hope it's the same for all of them

rocky trail
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yeah I'll find out soon enough on the zen77

cold moon
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damn the bot got him quick

rocky trail
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and the zen34 looks absolutely great to replace random pico remotes

cold moon
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i didnt even get to see what type of crypto i could get with his scam

copper juniper
cold moon
copper juniper
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LOL; thats what i get for random key presses while playing xbox...

rocky trail
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custom faceplates cost more than the switch

copper juniper
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3d print

karmic cargo
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Anyone with a CNC/laser should be able to do that engraving. Of course, a Brother P-Touch™ labeler (or similar) could do it, too for a fraction of the cost.

rocky trail
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yeah I have an ender 3 pro unopened and the laser engraver attachment, plan to make it an engraver

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have an anycubic i3 mega s (currently out of commission until I can get it moved to the garage) and and in the middle of a voron 2.4 build

cold moon
# copper juniper 3d print

unless their printer can print polycarbonate then they shouldnt be printing anything for faceplates etc for fire code

rocky trail
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can print ABS but I dunno

gleaming yew
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I just had the randomest idea... Use a VHS cassette as the case for a Pi/mini SBC. Not a case, an actual VHS itself with the gubbins ripped out. Think how you could stealth it on a shelf

rocky trail
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do people still have VHS tapes on shelves?

gleaming yew
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They would if they do this

rocky trail
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hah

gleaming yew
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Well you could always use a book, but not quite as funky imho

karmic cargo
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I have an Enbrighten Zigbee 43090 dimmer switch (made by Jesco). Does anyone know if it's possible to get/set the current brightness level from the switch itself?

cold moon
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Lmao

karmic cargo
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but... it's hardware!

cold moon
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Check the channel topic

karmic cargo
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OK, back to the original question I asked, 4000 channel jumps ago....
If a smart dimmer is a royal pain in combination with a smart bulb, what other solutions are there for manual, on-the-wall control of a smart bulb?
Would that be some sort of smart button that would mount to the wall so I could press/hold one button to bring lights up and another to bring lights down?

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Then a regular switch to simply turn the lights on/off at the wall, ignoring HA

copper juniper
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channel jumping and dumping isn't cool

karmic cargo
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not sure what that means, but as I've been trying to work through an issue, I've been instructed to jump around multiple times.

cold moon
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i've been nothing but friendly to you - if i didnt suggest you move to the appropriate channel then someone else would have - usually with a bit of tone for fun

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i agree conversations ebb and flow and it's a strange system but that's what we have to work with here man

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regarding your question a simple solution is use something like hue battery powered remotes that have on/off/up/down and put them next to a switch

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otherwise you get the inovelli blue or similar switch and bind them to zigbee bulbs or use hass automations for hold down etc

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pretty straightforward what your options are

karmic cargo
# cold moon i've been nothing but friendly to you - if i didnt suggest you move to the appro...

You've been nothing but friendly and helpful and I greatly appreciate your help. My comment was directed @copper juniper who seems to have taken offense to the fact that this discussion has moved around.
It is frustrating to have to jump around, but this isn't the first time I've had to do so, I sometimes forget to think about it, and sometimes I don't realize that it's time for a change until someone points it out, but I'll follow the rules here because I appreciate the help I get, even if I don't always like the answer. 😉

cold moon
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i made a shitty video discussing smart bulbs v smart switches etc etc a while back. here's the script if that helps but i think we've already kinda gone through everything earlier. https://dpaste.org/WBArk

karmic cargo
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Huh... Inovelli is headquartered in Kalamazoo. I had my car stolen in K'zoo once. No desire to go back.

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yeah, I know, I don't need to go there to get their products...

gloomy spoke
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they might be made from spare car parts

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sorry, involuntarily donated

karmic cargo
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LOL

rocky trail
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guess I can just go with Hue bulbs paired directly to ZHA. wish I didn't have a bunch of the first gen ones with crappy color though

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but that seems to be working well for me, don't know why I didn't ditch the hue bridge long ago

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combined with (hopefully) the zen77s and zen34s, should work out to a nice setup

lime crane
rocky trail
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I have some places with three switches next to each other, and not at all self explanatory. But I probably wouldn't do that anyway.

runic tinsel
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I have the Schneider Unica light switches in the house, which are modular, so you have single, double, momentary whatever you need in the range and can easily replace the buttons as you need. But this is in Europe.

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You can also add the Adaptive lighting integration, and can have HA control the brightness profile of the lights on some curve during the day. once you set it up for your typical needs, I find I practically never adjust them. I only have a max brightness override (HA script for off/on toggle within a second) for those moments when I need the light bright too look for a piece of Lego the kids lost.

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So to sum up. I have the wall switch modules behind my standard toggle light switches which toggle the smart lights. Then adaptive lighting automates the brightness/colour profiles.

karmic cargo
azure heath
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Is there an useful remote control that can be attached to a keyring? I would like to arm/disarm the alarm, open the house door and garage door. Only seen yale, homematic...

sudden galleon
lime crane
edgy fog
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An option might be to put an NFC tag on your keychain, then tie that to the companion app on your phone. (I haven't tried it)

lime crane
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I think it's better to make a dashboard site and bookmark it on your phone with a simple shortcut

pale lion
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Any recommendations to small and cheap speakers? Not wanting google or Amazon ones.

outer knotBOT
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Looking for advice about a device to buy? Remember to provide guidance on:

  • Which country you're in
  • What your budget is
  • What protocols you prefer (eg Zigbee, WiFi, Z-Wave)
  • Any features you want (such as power monitoring, dimming, etc)
winged knoll
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You need to be clear what "cheap" means to you

pale lion
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Sorry. I’d like to spend not more than about 50€. My system is all about zigbee and Wi-Fi and I’m in Germany

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I’m also looking for a small led as a notification destination. It should have a few colors for several states of the dishwasher fe

cold moon
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sounds like a great excuse for a diy wled led strip

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and regarding speakers depends what you want them to do.. but if you dont want homepod mini or other smart speakers then you arent in the right place for speaker advice lol

pale lion
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I thought of a pi project or something

cold moon
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pi run an entire linux OS

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esp devices like esp32 run a ~2MB size firmware dedicated just to what you need

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@winged knoll would it be possible to allow embeds in this channel like #diy-archived allows for us plebs?

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or rather would you be willing to bring it up to the mods on our behalf

cold moon
# pale lion I thought of a pi project or something

if you prefer you might want to watch a quick video on wled - it's pretty dang simple. you either buy a controller or an esp device and flash it with wled over usb then you connect an led strip or pixels or whatever and wire it

pale lion
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Sounds interesting and cheap

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Any audio project for a raspi zero?

cold moon
pale lion
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I already have a few raspis and sacs

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Dacs

cold moon
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Sacs

pale lion
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(And a new iPhone with a strange keyboard…)

cold moon
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You can send it to me

pale lion
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In change for a nice speaker?

cold moon
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I can 3d print you one

pale lion
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Cool

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What audio targets for output are possible in general?

winged knoll
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or rather would you be willing to bring

drifting grove
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So, ha can use google nests, alexas, sonos and homepods as sound destinations, true?

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What kind of software would I have to install (on a raspi or something) to let this raspi play audio from ha?

lime crane
pale lion
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But I have a few sitting around

cold moon
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I’ll throw in a pi zero 2 w for funziez

copper juniper
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sell pi4 2gb used buy mini pc; hmmmm

rocky trail
cold moon
lime crane
cold moon
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Yea no one does

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I’ve been planning on swapping it with an old pi4 1gb model I sold my buddy

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Cuz I feel bad he has a low ram discontinued unit even tho it was a hook up at the time

copper juniper
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what a diff that made telling my device to use host cpu vs kvm64 cpu

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for openvino

lime crane
copper juniper
rocky trail
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What kinda CPU is adequate for a minipc to run HAOS?

winged knoll
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Anything with a CPUMark of at least 900, and at least 2 cores

cold moon
rocky trail
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lol okay. I was worried a j4125 would be marginal but seems fine 😂

winged knoll
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Yeah, it'll be fine

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A Pi4 scores about 900, with slower storage

cold moon
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wonders if he should look up one letter and 4 numbers

rocky trail
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I've got one of these for other stuff and like it a lot. May just go with it or the newer model. Not the cheapest that would be good enough, but happy with it. https://a.co/d/flbWj7G

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Kinda tempted to get an old used 1u server

cold moon
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ah a celeron

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what a silly word

rocky trail
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Yeah

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Still might just try it on my NAS

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I dunno.

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probably should throw a couple of SSDs in there

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and upgrade the RAM

copper juniper
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nas cpu?

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1u server or a mini pc

rocky trail
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i3-7100

copper juniper
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should be viable long as you have enough ram

rocky trail
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only 8GB right now but it's upgradable.

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not doing too much else at the moment, just unifi and plex server (no transcoding)

copper juniper
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my ha unit is i5-6500t keeps the my cpu half loaded with frigate

cold moon
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that's it?

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or is that cuz of quicksync

rocky trail
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how many cams?

copper juniper
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4 cams

rocky trail
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don't think this NAS will handle that frigate with my cams then probably

copper juniper
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not without a coral stick

rocky trail
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Do you have one?

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QNAP's docker setup is pretty crap, wouldn't trust it to pass USB through

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Hopefully their VM setup works a little better. No idea.

tawny rover
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The power usage on those old 1Us is probably horrendous though. Hopefully that’s not a problem.

rocky trail
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Yeah was thinking that, I'm gonna pass.

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Can probably get a minipc and 3d print a rack mount

copper juniper
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which is why mini pc's are the winners

rocky trail
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Actually might take the one I have for home assistant and upgrade that one to something more powerful.

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(used for astrophotography)

tawny rover
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My fileserver is a 20 year old coolermaster case. On it’s 4th motherboard now, an ASRock J5040-ITX, draws about 40W with an SSD and 4 WD spinners. Still trying to get the power down. Could probably shave a few W with an upto date PSU

cold moon
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Like an old steel case?

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That can literally work as a boat anchor

rocky trail
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Hm I've got a 3900x sitting here wonder if I could just build something around that.

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Nah. I'll just get minipc.

copper juniper
tawny rover
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CPU has frequently scaling yup. It’s the disks that are the killer. Each one is probably 5W. Should look at automatic spin down.

boreal oar
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Ive got a switch back stairwell that I want to automate the lights on motion. I have no neutral at the light switches so looking at a relay installed at the light fixture. Any recommendations on what to use for the motion detection? I prefer to avoid batteries if I can.

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I’d have to mount the motion sensor at the landing between the two flights of stairs to have any hope of detecting people coming from both the bottom and top, so I could wire power from the fixture some how

cold moon
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You have zigbee?

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If so my hue motion sensors are going on 4 years same battery

urban tusk
cold moon
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I’m still on original ones

boreal oar
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I never see hue stuff for sale, ill search

boreal oar
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Pricey but I like that it uses a AAA

half sentinel
#

for you guys who run dockers, etc would a dell 7070 i5 9500 T be a decent SFF server? i guess a reddit mini homelab but not some huge 1ru power hungry beast. something that can go a bit more powerful without being a massive idle power drain. So far I'd probably want home assistant, influx db running 24/7, not sure what distribution of linux is preferred, and grafana. Was thinking of adding on jellyfin. Eventually was thinking of having some sort of nas setup too, and later I'd like a home camera system so maybe dahua nvr or another device if it can do all the wiz sense, etc. I've tinkered a bit in ubuntu, raspbian i believe, and have an opensprinkler board on a raspberrypi. Come from windows background so i'm learning fastish and like to tinker to some degree.

Currently running haos on odroid n2+ but worried about it wearing out the emmc, but also wanna play with other stuff.

zinc mountain
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Yea that hardware would be more than fine

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I'm using an old gaming mobo with an i7 using unraid as the host os to run hassos in a vm and about 30 docker containers. Now, I do have a 1TB cache for my 45TBs of storage plus 32gigs of ram. So it's all overkill 😄

latent zenith
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i see i have mounted /dev/input/by-id/usb-ASRock_LED_Controller_A02019100900-event-joystick
does this mean it might be possible to controll rgb on the motherboard?? anyone got any clues to controlling this?

half sentinel
#

cheers

fluid zinc
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Anyone around that can help me from an electrical point of view? Has to do with wiring up a switch and I can't find the answer online.

fringe crater
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Just ask your question please, don't ask for volunteers beforehand.

fluid zinc
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Yeah busy typing it 🙂

fringe crater
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Does seem like that product supports both, so I would guess yes.

fluid zinc
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Ok, here goes....

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Yay! Success!

unreal bane
#

I have this device: https://www.saswell.com/tuya-zigbee-3-0-thermostat-sea802_p146.html
Which works fine :)
But there are to long for some heating. I found out you can remove the dial.
Than it fits perfect but now the platine is blank.
Does anyone know where to find 3d models of it?
I would like to have a cap printed out. With a 3D printer that should be no problem (and yes there are no caps to buy).

digital shale
#

is there a way to add the fan of the argon fan case to HA that i can control it with the "set fan percentage" service?

fluid zinc
#

Once it works, I'm sure you can find a work-around to make the fan speed accessible to HA as a setting

charred flume
#

Hello guys! I'm looking for rolling shutters (I don't know if it's called that way in english) switch "modules" compatible with HA, any good recommendation? Same for light switch modules 🙂 Thanks!

rocky trail
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Yeah, I mean I'll get a minipc as that server. Just gotta figure out which one/how powerful I need it to be/how much I'm willing to spend on it

sullen jetty
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Disregard... just noticed there was a dedicated Bluetooth channel, I'll ask there. Was looking for BT dongle or proxy suggestions in SEA (specifically Thailand) since everything seems sold out or is not not driver supported in Linux for HA-OS VM passthrough.

raven heart
#

Anybody know if its possible to jailbreak or otherwise use a control4 wall-mounted (PoE) tablet for home assistant instead of control4?

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New house came with control4 but was immediately not happy with how closed off it is, set up home assistant but do wish I had a nice looking tablet on the wall for frontend... this control4 one would be great if i could use it somehow

rocky trail
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ok... settled on random AIO PC I ended up with for free, putting proxmox on it 😂 has dedicated and integrated GPU so hopefully I can pass the dedicated through for some camera acceleration

rocky trail
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hmm I might even be able to swap out the wifi card for a pcie coral

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oof didn't realize the Coral stuff was OOS everywhere.

copper juniper
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yeah; its an issue

copper juniper