Cloud nønsense
#zigbee-archived
balmy ginkgo
It's TUYA but rebranded as LIDL. It does not use cloud.
Yeah i ditched all my wifi TUYA. I was not aware they required cloud when i bought them. I should move them to my dads house.
Now i only do ZIgbee or Tasmota
jolly narwhal
If it is ZigBee and the Trigger is ZigBee
balmy ginkgo
the trigger is a zigbee doorcontact.
jolly narwhal
Is it a ha automation? Or a binding?
jolly narwhal
Not great
balmy ginkgo
Door sensor RSSI: -75
Can i force mesh topology? Like tell the light in the toilet to always connect to the light in the hall, near it.
balmy ginkgo
What are the number in topoligy? 73/55 148/60
jolly narwhal
Lqi I guess
balmy ginkgo
Line quality?
0-255?
Seems so.. all lines from the toilet light are red and orange :/
balmy ginkgo
i have 2 255/255
jolly narwhal
Not great probably
balmy ginkgo
I think its gone now, maybe it shows 255/255 when it doesn't know
Could also be the automation, i will keep an eye out for that too.
peak jasper
I'm trying to determine what causes a slow-down in my "good night" script that turns off a bunch of switches (zigbee, zwave, and hue). I have 2 zigbee wall plugs that I only use for Christmas lights, so they're unplugged and stored the rest of the year. Could zha be taking time trying to contact them, or does it quickly ignore them because they're unreachable?
uneven ruin
do eria bulbs work well as routers? I have some LEDVANCE (sylvania) that don't seem to be great at it
jolly narwhal
Are you using ZigBee groups or ha groups @peak jasper ?
The latter would be horrible performance in my experience
The first is instant
For 25+ lights in my living room right now, 80+ around the house in different sized groups
peak jasper
They are ha groups, but I only have 1 zigbee wall switch and 2 zigbee bulbs, the rest is zwave and hue
(hue controller and hue integration)
jolly narwhal
Yeah, I got rid of the hue hub recently, it was at least better than the tradfri hub
But by that statement, do you mean you run some hue devices off the hue hub, plus you have devices in ZHA ?
peak jasper
right, newer zigbee stuff is zigbee, the hue stuff is older.
jolly narwhal
So, do you have overlapping channels? Or poor coverage of the three standalone ZigBee devices?
jolly narwhal
There is a pin about channel scanning in here
For checking status in ZHA i have no idea since I don't use it
peak jasper
I haven't noticed any problems turning things on and off, I was really just wondering if the un-plugged switches might be slowing things down
jolly narwhal
Well... Shouldn't, but I never unplug stuff so I don't know, I saw someone mentioned zha was slow to load when a lot of disconnected devices existed yesterday
peak jasper
hm. I'll try taking them out of the group to see if that changes anything, thanks
on another note, is there any reason to move my hue lights over (if I can) to zha? They're working as-is.
peak jasper
Can all hue bulbs be plain zigbee? I thought that was something fairly new.
jolly narwhal
No
I've run zigbee2mqtt for over 3 years
With hue, tradfri, gledopto, namron, Tuya, aqara and more currently
peak jasper
cool
crimson dust
Do Conbee II works with all Aqara sensor? Like water detection, vibration etc?
jolly narwhal
Coordinator usually doesn't matter
Software does
But Conbee is one of the least desirable options
peak jasper
Would I need physical access to the bulbs to move them to zigbee? They're soffet lights in the eaves outside the house.
jolly narwhal
Well, in theory you could do remove from the hue app, while zha is in pairing mode
That should make them go into pairing mode I think
If not, getting close with a hue dimmer button and resetting it with that usually does the trick
peak jasper
I don't have one of those buttons
jolly narwhal
You should, they are $8 usually, and very handy to reset bulbs
Only thing I use them for really
peak jasper
are they called something else googling "hue dimmer button" isn't helping
jolly narwhal
peak jasper
thanks. can't find one under $45 😦
peak jasper
cheapest I found was $21 with $60 shipping to U.S.
peak jasper
out of stock
jolly python
Kek i have a tons of them
jolly python
Have 9 i think use 5
peak jasper
might be time to put them on ebay or something
next gust
Ok, trying to get a Conbee II running, I was recommended to use ZHA instead of deCon, but ZHA doesn't see the stick.
sour shadow
How are you running Home Assistant? HAOS, Supervised, Container, Core?
next gust
HAOS
sour shadow
It's there somewhere, maybe behind a 
sterile sleet
next gust
I have a zoteac stick too for Z-wave
...spelling
That should be everything you need I think?
sour shadow
Looks like /dev/serial/by-id/dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2483197 is the right path
next gust
Aha
sour shadow
I'm somewhat guessing, since I'm used to the Supervisor actually listing that
next gust
Yeah, I have no idea what's going on
austere patio
You shouldn't need to manually enter the serial port if you're setting up ZHA
It auto connects to the radio multiple times with every type of radio library to determine which radio it is
next gust
It's trying to connect to another device that isn't working
But has zigbee
So now I'm trying to figure out how to force it connect to this instead for it's antenna
austere patio
There should be a dropdown that lists all /dev/serial/by-id/... ports
When you add the integration
next gust
Aha, it found it
Deleted and reinstalled
Aw hell yeah
Now to figure out how to make my zwave motion sensor turn these lights on and off.. Any good eli2 tutorials?
sour shadow
Make your own motion sensor?
Make your own Zigbee one is do-able, just. Making your own Z-Wave one is going to be harder
next gust
I have a uh... Aeotec 3 in one sensor that I'm using~
Wanna turn on lights that are in the kitchen and plugged into some innr plug thingies
sour shadow
Right, so, write #automations-archived then?
next gust
Yeep
uneven ruin
suddenly nothing is working on my zigbee network
Failed to ping 'Front Hall Plug' (attempt 1/1, Read 0x086bd7fffe6e5f19/1 genBasic(["zclVersion"], {"sendWhenActive":false,"timeout":10000,"disableResponse":false,"disableRecovery":true,"disableDefaultResponse":true,"direction":0,"srcEndpoint":null,"reservedBits":0,"manufacturerCode":null,"transactionSequenceNumber":null,"writeUndiv":false}) failed (Cannot execute command, in Inter-PAN mode))
everything was fine not that long ago
sour shadow
What coordinator are you using?
uneven ruin
z2m with slaesh stick
been running for over 6 months - everything was working until somewhere in the last hour ish
rebooting the HA server (its running on the same box)
noticed some odd things, tried to run the map and nothing was talking at all
sour shadow
You shouldn't need to reboot the server
Simply restarting Z2M will be more than enough
Try unplugging the Zigbee stick
uneven ruin
I had already started the reboot, let me check status it just finished coming up
were back
that was weird
should have done the stick pull but then I would have had to stand up
lol
few aquara sensors decided to go awol during the commotion it seems
austere patio
everything was fine not that long ago
Inter pan mode? Did you try doing a ZLL touchlink reset?
scenic wren
How can I fix this warning?:
Source: /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/zigpy/zcl/__init__.py:95
First occurred: 23:50:01 (1 occurrences)
Last logged: 23:50:01
Unknown cluster 61184```
this warning pops up every time I start HA.I hit scan on the touchlink screen
austere patio
I think that's broken for any adapter running new Z-Stack
TI still hasn't fixed it
cloud heath
what are people running on the sonoff 3.0 the stable 20211217 or the current dev stack?
fresh phoenix
Anyone willing to share their experience with the Sonoff Zigbee bridge?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002318526469.html
cloud heath
Anyone willing to share their experience with the Sonoff Zigbee bridge?
https://...
in the process of replacing it at the moment - trying to figure out the best option ... while its ok'ish range and the socket didnt seem to be the best option you effectively connect via wifi to it instead of direct
austere patio
Anyone willing to share their experience with the Sonoff Zigbee bridge?
https://...
It's not a good choice if you are going to be using ZHA or Z2M
cloud heath
that was my thinking @austere patio and yet here I am with a non working environment after it worked for 6hrs ... the zbbridge I just needed to reset and it came back alive
fresh phoenix
I'm running HassOS on ESXi. I'm faily confident I could plug a usb controller into my host and pass it through to the vm
That would be a better option?
molten linden
I’m biased because I make them, Ethernet connected coords are an option.
fresh phoenix
I'll check it out
cloud heath
oh well - 3rd time lucky ... lets see how long it survives ...
austere patio
oh well - 3rd time lucky ... lets see how long it survives ...
It dies if the serial-over-WiFi connection ever drops out or experiences delays. Try finding a less congested WiFi channel or switch to a better coordinator.
cloud heath
I changed to the Sonoff USB 3.0 now - but it somehow died after ~6hrs - channel is clear from interference - must have been something hardware - couldnt contact the stick anymore - had to flash 3 times before it came back to life
maybe usb sleep or so but my zwave does not show any similar behaviour ... went to the stable build now instead of dev and will see if it remains up or if it dies again over time
austere patio
I changed to the Sonoff USB 3.0 now - but it somehow died after ~6hrs - channel ...
Which Sonoff USB 3.0? The one in a metal case or the bare PCB?
cloud heath
the one with the metal case
prisma idol
ik this is a rather stupid question but some zb devices i want to buy only seem to be supported by z2mqtt but i want to use them with zha - is it possible to "port" the support from one system to another?
jolly narwhal
Will probably work
feral zephyr
hey guys ! has any of you add an unsupported device to zigbee2mqtt ?
sour shadow
Lots of people have, but I doubt that's the actual question you have
feral zephyr
Lots of people have, but I doubt that's the actual question you have
It's true ! I have set up my device and it works perfectly with z2m. Now I want to share my work in order to allow this device to be supported out of the box by Zigbee2MQTT. And I'm having trouble with one part of this guide : https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/support-new-devices/01_support_new_devices.html#_4-add-device-picture-to-zigbee2mqtt-io-documentation, I do not know how to execute this part : "Add a picture (.jpg, 150x150) to public/images/devices and link it in file of the previous step."
How do i link the picture in the file ? 😅
sour shadow
You've cloned the repo in step one?
Pick an example, like https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt.io/blob/master/docs/devices/0140302.md, and look at the raw - you'll see there how they linked the file
| Picture |  |
not yet but i think i know how to do it
obsidian sandalBOT
feral zephyr
sorry
feral zephyr
Pick an example, like <https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt.io/blob/master/docs...
Yes but i cannot find the line in the file that referes to the picture
sour shadow
I copied and pasted it in the channel, with a link to the raw
feral zephyr
Yes I see it now, thanks !
formal olive
@molten linden hi there are u online?
clear sleet
Is there something to replace hue light sync and ha in regards to music?
molten linden
<@!335253934954512384> hi there are u online?
?
dark birch
is all data for an cluster event included in the zha_event in home assistant?
I'm specifically look at: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/blob/0c4b9a8a25c5eef5b008d66c2e56aae3f8d5e769/zigpy/zcl/clusters/general.py#L732 the rate parameter of a move event for LevelControl
austere patio
I'm specifically look at: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/blob/0c4b9a8a25c5eef5b...
Should be but the definitions you see in zigpy are currently unreleased so there may be a bug. What exactly does ZHA debug logging show your device sending?
dark birch
It shows, command == move, args = [1, 195]. I actually think it's the full event. With the 195 being the rate. So i think it's all good.
Just got confused by the ikea symfonisk having a static rate
Is the significance of rate defined in the spec?
dark birch
Seems to be units per seconds. So it would depend on what units is here.
If i was going to add standard device triggers for all devices implementing LevelControl in zigpy. Any pointers on where i would add something like that? (Not device quirks)
tropic depot
there isn’t a good way to do this @dark birch DM me and we can discuss
uneven ruin
when adding support for a new device to zigbee2mqtt is there a good place to post it? I've done it twice now. I submitted something to the underlying library last time but it was ignored
sour shadow
You submit it as a PR following the official guide
uneven ruin
pretty sure thats what was ignored, I'll try again once I finish this Eria bulb
I have 6 of the basic sylvania dimmables (no color or colortemp) that where unsupported so I added those and submitted it when I swtiched to zigbee2mqtt
sour shadow
The developer is normally pretty good about merging PRs
uneven ruin
zigbee2mqtt just rewrote my configuration.yaml
added stuff
{
"external_converters": [
"ledvance.js",
"eria-white-tunable.js"
],
the { and the "" around external converters wasn't there
and it deleted the eria line I just added that back
I also had availability on and its off now
weird
inner bay
i restarted router and my RPi4. now z2m says that it can't start herdsman
thus i'm getting 502: gateway error
uneven ruin
usb path change?
inner bay
i have no clue
inner bay
in z2m ?
uneven ruin
yeah
something along the lines of /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick_-_slaesh_s_iot_stuff_00_12_4B_00_23_93_2D_EC-if00-port0
instead of /dev/ttyUSB0
if you have a second usb device they like to swap randomly on reboot
I had that due to my zwave dongle
inner bay
tried both these: /dev/ttyACM0 , /dev/ttyUSB0
uneven ruin
by-id will never change
install the ssh/terminal and take a look
do you have zwave installed too by chance?
inner bay
i have that installed....what command do i use ?
uneven ruin
once in the terminal cd /dev/serial/by-id
the las
ls
or ls /dev/serial/by-id
those link back to the tty devices but they don't change
inner bay
i don't have those dirs
uneven ruin
something is wrong then, its not seeing your device at all
inner bay
so it's bricked by a restart ?
uneven ruin
very weird
uneven ruin
what device is this?
inner bay
sonoff zigbee usb dongle 3.0 cc2652.....just re-flashed it but no luck
can the RPi spike the usb-port if cutting power by a switch ?
austere patio
can the RPi spike the usb-port if cutting power by a switch ?
What's the exact error that Z2M is giving you?
inner bay
ok to paste here ?
inner bay
6 or 7
austere patio
You risk upsetting the bot with that much code 😆
inner bay
austere patio
No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyACM1 seems like a configuration problem
inner bay
i'll try USB0 again
austere patio
How are you running Z2M?
inner bay
on an RPi
austere patio
As an addon?
austere patio
The Z2M docker container is just not being given the correct path
sour shadow
Not likely
inner bay
wth....a cable that has been working for 10 months....suddenly was the issue
i removed cable and inserted dongle w/o it...alas we have light
sorry for the fuzz guys
i also removed an ESP32 being powered by the RPi....maybe it took too much power ....idk
or it caused a conflict
sour shadow
If you're on a Pi, you do have the power sensor installed, to tell you when you've undervolted?
inner bay
no such error
so i'd go for conflict or cable giving in....will buy a new cable tomorrow and test
austere patio
If you used a /dev/ttyUSBn device entry to set up Z2M, changing the port layout would do it
inner bay
how do i do that if it makes it more reliable
austere patio
Use a /dev/serial/by-id/ symlink
inner bay
10 ?'s just flew by 😄
austere patio
/dev/ttyUSB1 can become /dev/ttyUSB2 if you change devices around or add new stuff
inner bay
i only rebooted router and rpi...nothing more
austere patio
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_some_serial_number_or_other_unique_thing always points to the /dev/ttyUSBn device corresponding to that specific serial port
So even if you add new devices, unplug and re-plug stuff, the OS decides to enumerate ports backwards, your install won't break
inner bay
so i need to know exactly what the dongle is called ?
austere patio
I'm not familiar with HA OS but there should be a way to see all the entries in /dev/serial/by-id/ either by logging in or using the hardware tab or something
lusty vault
Probably a weird question and not how any of this works, but: if I add/interview an end device while it is near the coordinator or a router device, and then move it away from them and install it near a different router device, will it reshape the network or will it still try to send messages to the router it was added near?
austere patio
Depends on the specific device, I wouldn't rely on it. Pull its batteries in its final location so that it can re-join the network and hopefully pick a better parent if necessary.
sleek wadi
anybody have IKEA motion sensors providing useful information about luminance?
inner bay
i have the dump by ha hw info but can't copy the text
lusty vault
Depends on the specific device, I wouldn't rely on it. Pull its batteries in its...
awesome, thanks!
inner bay
@sleek wadi you will get a better result with esphome , an esp32 and a lux sensor....same money but way more reliable than the IKEA motion sensor(not sure it even can provide a lux reading)
i know the PHue sensor has luminance but it updates every 5-10 minutes so even that one isn't very accurate
uneven ruin
I'm not sure if any are accurate, but I've had good luck with consistancy on the aquara and the centralite
inner bay
i run esp32's and they are super fast and very accurate
uneven ruin
I have a couple automations that trigger based on a group average for the living and family rooms
formal olive
@molten linden wondering how long for tubez device to actually loading the device after HA reboot. mine seems to be taken sometimes. Any idea?
molten linden
Zha or z2m? With zha if you have a lot of offline devices it will increase start up time.
formal olive
back to zha
currently dont have much device however some of my hue are offline when the switch is being turn off
well to be exact 2 device
ivory hound
currently dont have much device however some of my hue are offline when the swit...
u mean u cut the power to the device and the devices turn off? ( if yes, are you serious? )
jolly narwhal
Interesting with the zigbee tuya plugs @jolly python
They show up as "TS011F_plug_3" when I initially pair them with Z2M
Then after firmware upgrade they become "TS011F_plug_1"
brittle maple
hello - I am going to replace my nortek zigbee with Tube's zigbee. Is the cleanest method to Remove the ZHA integration, delete zigbee.db, and readd ZHA and then repair all my devices? Thanks!
austere patio
hello - I am going to replace my nortek zigbee with Tube's zigbee. Is the clean...
As dmulcahey said, you can switch between those coordinators fairly easily: https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2#user-content-instructions
tropic depot
see the link above from puddly
brittle maple
see the link above from puddly
Thanks - already on it.
brittle maple
As dmulcahey said, you can switch between those coordinators fairly easily: http...
Hi - following the guide and getting an error when it gets to the gcc command - does not look like gcc is installed?
jolly python
They show up as "TS011F_plug_3" when I initially pair them with Z2M
Yes plug_3 is pull and plug_1 is push
ivory hound
pushing seem to be better then pulling :))))
plucky geyser
What the most popular Zigbee mqtt integration
sour shadow
Is that a trick question?
There's only one piece of software that acts as a gateway between Zigbee and MQTT that I know of...
plucky geyser
**What is the most popular zigbee tool integration?
sour shadow
Ah, well, that's a different question, and the answer is ... do you want to blindly follow a crowd, or do you want to pick something that suits you best?
deCONZ is probably overall the most popular, but it's also the one people here are least likely to recommend
Both ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT have their strengths and weaknesses, either will make a good choice
plucky geyser
I'm using zigbee2mqtt but I want to know others some kind like that
lilac wharf
z2m is great
sour shadow
If you like putting all your eggs in one basket, ZHA is good - it's tightly integrated into HA and has wide device support.
If you like decoupling then Z2M is great - it's loosely integrated in many platforms, not just HA, and has wide device support.
If you like suffering then deCONZ is great... oh, hang on.
tropic depot
Z2m is the most likely to work OOTB w/ many Tuya and other non compliant devices
the community adding device support is much larger
sour shadow
Tuya ... 
lilac wharf
|| but there's a secret about ZHA ||
tropic depot
|| but there's a secret about ZHA ||
😄 decoupling is in the works
plucky geyser
the next question is all of them using mqtt or some else technology?
sour shadow
No
Zigbee2MQTT does, the others don't
ZHA is part of HA (for now anyway), there's no "other tech" for it
deCONZ uses their API
jolly narwhal
😄 decoupling is in the works
See you in 2025! 
plucky geyser
what works best with node-red?
sour shadow
Either
If you're using them with Home Assistant it doesn't matter
If you've no intention of using HA then Z2M would be the obvious choice
plucky geyser
so than how zha deal with automation?
sour shadow
Thing is, once it's integrated into HA, if you connect Node Red to HA then it doesn't matter
That's kinda the point of HA at the end of the day - it handles all that
inner bay
now that i managed to set the zigbee dongle port by using serial byid.....does it matter conflict-wise if i plug in something in a 2nd usb-port ?
austere patio
What does the by-id path look like?
inner bay
serial:
port: >-
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_2cf90077ddc9eb11b1778b4f1d69213e-if00-port0
austere patio
That shouldn't conflict with anything
austere patio
It doesn't lock the port, the software just doesn't connect to "the first serial port", it connects to a specific one
jolly narwhal
Yes
inner bay
great.....mission accomplished
jolly narwhal
That's the whole point of by-id
inner bay
this is a great community.....thx for helping when sh*t hits the fan
fair mountain
If you like putting all your eggs in one basket, ZHA is good - it's tightly inte...
My biggest issue with Deconz is the random disconnect of the api to the actual device (=
ivory hound
@fair mountain what is Deconz 🙂
vast mango
Hey guys - my Sonoff SNZB-02 sensor keeps going stale and not giving any new data until I re-add it in Zigbee2MQTT. Second time I've had to do this. any idea what could be causing it and how to stop this?
ivory hound
@vast mango let me ask you something
you pair it around coordinator and move it after that?
vast mango
Around coordinator? What does that mean sorry?
Oh you mean physically
Yeah I guess I did. Paired it near my hass server with the usb dongle then move.
ivory hound
your zigbee network doesn't have enough coverage
vast mango
It’s this. So is the signal not strong enough?
Hmm weird that it works for a few weeks then goes stale!
ivory hound
read about zigbee
add more routers
and yes change that shit 🙂
your coordinator is the weakest i know of
vast mango
Lool. Do you have a recommended dongle that would have further reach? I’ll research and find if not
vast mango
Yeah
vast mango
Awesome. Thanks man! Really helpful
fair mountain
there that's your issue
The Sonoff SNZB-02 sensors are super unreliable, regardless of your mesh.
ivory hound
yes that can also be the case
but I doubt this is what happens here
and a new coordinator can only help on the future also
austere patio
Mine also dropped out after a week or two and I have at least three routers in every room 🤷♂️
sour shadow
Sonoff are the only brand that makes Tuya look good
ivory hound
so that seems there is a 1week issue with this sensor
austere patio
Maybe Sonoff only tested them for a couple of days
sour shadow
You're assuming they actually tested...
ivory hound
ha true
torpid plume
Hmmm are there any Zigbee strip LED controllers out there for addressable LED's?
trying to avoid wifi
buoyant lagoon
trying to avoid wifi
Search for Gledopto... But I'm not 100% sure
torpid plume
the Gledopto doesn't do addressable?
torpid plume
2812B?
Right, found a good write up, as you said there doesn't seems to be a zigbee controller that does individually addressable
ember oasis
I just updated Home Assistant and my conbee device is connecting/disconnecting and my zigbee automation isnt working, how do I prevent and fix this?
austere patio
I just updated Home Assistant and my conbee device is connecting/disconnecting a...
How many minutes has it been since you restarted HA?
And what do you mean by the Conbee connecting/disconnecting. As in, the coordinator device itself?
ember oasis
oh haha I did the update last night, restarted last night and 3x this morning
its going' dodaloo, dodaloo' like a USB connects/disconnects from your PC
austere patio
Are you using ZHA, deCONZ, or Z2M?
obsidian sandalBOT
austere patio
/dev/disk/by-id/ are your disks/partitions, check in /dev/serial/by-id/ for serial ports
Have you tried physically unplugging the Conbee?
ember oasis
kk let me check dev...so far not seeing it
in alpabetical order I see this, no dev:
cpu_dma_latency
device-mapper
event0
yeah idk if I got a dud or what but I keep having connection issues with this conbee, whenever I update HA it gets screwy.
austere patio
That's pretty normal for the Conbee. May be fixed in an upcoming HA release.
Try unplugging it, plugging it back in, and then restarting HA Core. It does the connect/disconnect routine when nothing is using it, so ZHA doesn't seem to be running or failed to connect to it initially.
ember oasis
do I just never update HA?
yes I did already. 😦 How do I put it in pairing mode? before I restore an old backup Im trying to re-configure my ZHA
austere patio
ZHA has to be able to connect to the serial port before you can join devices. How are you running Home Assistant? Docker? The OS?
ember oasis
Via Oracle VM VirtualBox
austere patio
Does that have any USB hotplugging problems?
ember oasis
it sees the USB port (on port 2.0) in the USB settings
via vm virtualbox I mean
thank you btw, this has been plaguing me for months and idk what to do about it when it happens
austere patio
I mean there's not a whole lot to fix here, the Conbee just gets weird after a Core reboot and it's common for people to troubleshoot by rebooting and unplugging. Sometimes doing that in the right order prevents ZHA from seeing it on startup.
The only thing I can think of is restarting VirtualBox, plugging in the Conbee, restarting the VM, and then re-mapping the USB device
ember oasis
well dang it worked now, but because I deleted the config and re-added it all of my devices need re-naming.
austere patio
The Conbee connects/disconnects repeatedly when nothing is using it (or maybe they fixed that in a newer Conbee firmware?), which probably messes up the VirtualBox port mapping
ember oasis
Thank you, thats rly strange why it just worked now but Im glad it did. I think ill try to rollback an old update and see if I can re-update HA...
fathom lantern
Hi guys. I have sonoff zigbee gateway with tasmota and a bunch of xiaomi sensors. After some electricity interruptions all sensors are unavailable (except motion sensors). Is there anything I could change to improve it? From time to time i have to add all sensors (re-pair) again and everything comes back. Maybe different gateway? (Don’t want to use a usb ones)
austere patio
Why are you unable to use a USB coordinator?
sour shadow
Tube sells some nice network connected coordinators
fathom lantern
Why are you unable to use a USB coordinator?
It’s a big house… long story. I think I will have to use more than one finally.
sour shadow
The mesh network should handle that for you
fathom lantern
What about ewelink or tuya gateways?
austere patio
eWeLink == Sonoff (Sonoff just brands them)
fathom lantern
And tuya? Is it batter? It works via cloud only?
austere patio
You'd be stuck using Tuya devices. I suggest you either buy one of Tube's ethernet coordinators or make your own with a USB coordinator and ser2net
my Poe coordinator
fathom lantern
Ok, but Tube doesn’t have ZIGBEE to WIFI solution. Right?
jolly narwhal
You don't want that
austere patio
Tube doesn't sell them but nothing stops you from making your own by plugging both a 5GHz WiFi adapter and a USB coordinator into a Pi (both on USB 2.0 extension cables)
jolly narwhal
If I didn't sleep bad enough with a pi with SD card as coordinator host, running it with wifi too
fathom lantern
You don't want that
Why? Does zigbee signal somehow interrupt wifi signal? That’s why sonoff zigbee gateway is so unreliable?
Idea is good. I could buy few of them and simply plug into power socket.
austere patio
2.4GHz WiFi and Zigbee share the same frequencies. If your Zigbee channel is close to your WiFi channel (or the WiFi radio is cheap and noisy), it'll interfere with Zigbee, especially when they're in the same box
You probably won't need more than one coordinator unless there is absolutely no way to place intermediate routers between two sites
fathom lantern
👍 makes sense
fair mountain
Mine also dropped out after a week or two and I have at least three routers in e...
I have mine in my bathroom and it keeps turning the lights off because it doesnt detect anyone 😄
fair mountain
If I didn't sleep bad enough with a pi with SD card as coordinator host, running...
What's wrong with a good SD card?
austere patio
That sounds like a good self-fulfilling prophecy
fathom lantern
So last question than. Is xiaomi usb powered gateway supported in HA? Is there only one usb powered version or many of them (ones supported while others not really?)?
austere patio
I don't think it uses the USB port for anything but power. I've at least never seen anyone use a hacked version of it.
fathom lantern
I meant the newest xiaomi version (didn’t even think about using usb for anything different but powering. I just wrote ..usb… to be sure that we think about the same version. My bad 🤣). So is it supported in HA and working?
austere patio
That I don't know, very few people (if any) in the #zigbee-archived channel use anything other than ZHA and Z2M
fathom lantern
And…. Actually I have 3 xiaomi gateways (in different house) .. they also use zigbee and wifi. So why are they working fine?🤔
austere patio
I trust Xiaomi/Lumi more than I do Sonoff/eWeLink to put two radios in one box 😆
fathom lantern
Makes sense too🥺
jolly narwhal
What's wrong with a good SD card?
Everything is wrong with sd cards
fair mountain
Such a blanket statement. Much wow.
jolly narwhal
I have an install base of a couple of thousand servers with SD card boot, most of them work fine, the ones that didn't were set up by people who didn't redirect logs are worse off, and based on seeing 4 years of HA users lose their entire system because they have no idea of what a backup is?
Yeah, not gonna do SD boot for anything i care about
devout sundial
Hey guys, I my zha groups do not report their status correctly in lovelace is this something known or I messed up something?
I turn them off using a switch, the group turns of, individual lights of the group show as off but the group itself just shows low brightness
random flint
Hello all. I'm hoping someone can help me out or point me in the right direction here. I'm trying to setup ZHA with a Sonoff USB 3.0 and it keeps failing on setup with this error: https://pastebin.com/Xc8Zrmk3
Thanks in advance 🙂
molten linden
zigbee.db in config is corrupt or something are you setting up fresh or migrating?
random flint
fresh
molten linden
Start over.
Delete the zigbee.db file in the config folder
Then try to set up again.
random flint
SUCCESS! Thank you so much, dude
fair mountain
I have an install base of a couple of thousand servers with SD card boot, most o...
users lose their entire system because they have no idea of what a backup is?
SSDs and spinning rust die, too.
sour shadow
It can happen, but sudden catastrophic failure of SSD or HDD is pretty damn rare. You're more likely to win the lottery.
jolly narwhal
I still have spinning drives that are 14 years old in production
sour shadow
I can count the number of both I've seen in decades on my fingers - most throw enough warnings you should know months to years in advance
jolly narwhal
Not sure how many SD cards with daily writes can sport that
sour shadow
The ones that have a single sector write, once a day 😛
jolly narwhal
Even then I wouldn't trust the bastards
fair mountain
It _can_ happen, but sudden catastrophic failure of SSD or HDD is pretty damn ra...
lol. stacks of dead SSDs at my old job with zero warning say otherwise.
neither is an excuse not to have backups 🙂
jolly narwhal
Random failure without prefailure? That is rare, best regards someone who installs a couple of thousand SSDs per year, and maintain a few of them over the years 
There is known firmware bugs sure
But seldom failure without warning outside of that
fair mountain
and high endurance SDs are perfectly fine for HA workloads.
Yes, random failure without prefailure.
fair mountain
Would be nice if HASS had smartmontools installed in the base system.
jolly narwhal
Well.... Running a sane installation of ha can do that
#449717345808547842 or #551864459891703809 that is
fair mountain
"sane". yet recommended, lol.
austere patio
SUCCESS! Thank you so much, dude
Do you happen to have a copy of that old zigbee.db? If so, can you PM it to me?
random flint
I don't. sorry
austere patio
Thanks @molten linden 😆
molten linden
Sorry didn’t think it worth a tag.
austere patio
No worries, glad it works in the end
polar helm
i wish that blackadder database would allow for comments and up/downvotes
its so hard to get a good idea of what TRVs for example are actually good
fair mountain
its so hard to get a good idea of what TRVs for example are actually good
"are you feeling lucky."
polar helm
😄
fair mountain
And something that works well for one person might blow up in flames for another.
polar helm
well but the amount of people who bought something and a comparison of good and bad experiences can tell lots
fair mountain
Why is there no easy way to see what parent(s) a device has in ZHA via the UI?
Or am I blind as a bat?
I can grep the logs and see what the Relay is, or try to look at the visualization. But looking at the visualization for me is a mess now with 119 devices.
And does "Add devices via this device" actually work?
2022-03-14 17:34:31 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zdo] [0x93d2:zdo] ZDO request ZDOCmd.Mgmt_Permit_Joining_rsp: [<Status.SUCCESS: 0>]
2022-03-14 17:34:31 DEBUG (MainThread) [zigpy.zdo] [0x93d2:zdo] No handler for ZDO request:ZDOCmd.Mgmt_Permit_Joining_rsp([<Status.SUCCESS: 0>])
Or does this mean its not supported by the device?
molten linden
My understanding is end devices don’t report their parents, the routers report their children during the network topology scan so the info is stored related to the device it came from - the parent.
Adding devices via a device works fine most of the time for me. Could be the router is maxed out on children 🤷🏼♂️
There is a neighbors.txt or something that is saved after the topology scan you could grep that for the ieee of the child to find the ieee of its parent.
fair mountain
ill take a look
thanks @molten linden 🙂
just makes it difficult with these aqara devices
raven jewel
I would try Zigbee2MQTT with Aqara devices, I switched to that and am really happy with performance and the ability to get details about my network, etc.
fair mountain
I would try Zigbee2MQTT with Aqara devices, I switched to that and am really hap...
The big issue with Aqara devices is they are 'sticky', they'll never find a new parent. That doesn't get fixed with Z2M, Phoscon or anything else, sadly.
raven jewel
I know, but you can still view what they're stuck to more easily 😉
fair mountain
I tried out z2m, sadly it doesnt support my Leviton wall switches in the same way that ZHA does, so I cant use it 😦
molten linden
I think the neighbors text file might be a memory of the past for me 😂🤦♂️
You can def get the data though, via the command line or chrome dev tools - I just can’t remember how
fair mountain
You can def get the data though, via the command line or chrome dev tools - I ju...
This feels like dejavu 🙂
woo. decomissioned 1 more Raspbee II, down to 1 ..
fair mountain
Anyone using a SONOFF ZB 3.0 as a router?
formal olive
u mean u cut the power to the device and the devices turn off? ( if yes, are you...
I'm talking about smart switch on/off which turn off the zigbee bulb <- those 2 zigbee will not have any power when the switch turn off.
ivory hound
@formal olivethis have sense "I'm talking about smart switch on/off which turn off the zigbee bulb" but this "those 2 zigbee will not have any power when the switch turn off" tells me you actually cut the power to the zigbee bulb, and that, you just don't do
formal olive
<@!217907129821036546>this have sense "I'm talking about smart switch on/off whi...
I wish there is other way to make the switch off without cutting the power. Especially when its done manually
clear sleet
I use Shelly’s for that, to be able to have manual toggle also
ivory hound
@formal olive but there is
do not cut power to zigbee devices 🙂
they do not work like that
formal olive
<@!217907129821036546> but there is
yeah I do understand that, so any suggestion on how to do it?
since the light stuck with the switch
ivory hound
first of all if you use zigbee do not use main power switches (leave them open all the time) - pretend they do not exist
you can use zigbee switches that send commands instead of cutting the power
and use automation's to link them
is how we all do it
you can also make zigbee switches directly bind to bulbs
@formal olivemany possibilities
formal olive
first of all if you use zigbee do not use main power switches (leave them open a...
yeah understood, however that is an old switch using radio frequency which need to connect to the cable. Its will automatically switch off when the bulb is turn off. Furthermore without that switch, then we dont have the manual switch in that room which is a bummer.
raven jewel
Replace it with a blank cover and put a Zigbee button on that, or something, but don’t kill the power to devices that need it left on
lilac wharf
Of which an option is not tasmota 😄
sour shadow
If you'd made the mistake of buying the ZBBridge then that's an option
Thankfully you didn't
No
The "dongle" is the coordinator
There's a pinned message about how Zigbee works
sour shadow
ls -al /dev/serial/by-id/
sdX is for disks, not Zigbee sticks
No
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-ITead_Sonoff_Zigbee_3.0_USB_Dongle_Plus_4e089fca8229ec1197de757840c9ce8d-if00-port0
You don't want the short path - it can change
The long path doesn't change
uneven ruin
in z2m is there anyway in the converter to change a bulb from taking mired and make it kelvin for color temp?
jolly narwhal
z2m translates it automatically afaik
if you send kelvin it will get kelvin
I might be wrong
sour shadow
HA certainly does the translation
uneven ruin
shows up in HA with mired is why I'm wondering. But Adaptive Lighting does kelvin
sour shadow
Shouldn't matter at all
uneven ruin
ok cool
autumn parcel
hi,
updated home-assistant today, zigbee (ZHA) integration broke:
ERROR (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.gateway] Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator
it is docker deployment, worked for months before today. Downgrading does not help (tried 2022.3.4, 2022.3.1, 2022.2.9).
deconz container (I use ZHA, installed deconz just to try) can see dongle.
any ideas? this is kind of important, can have bad impact of wife acceptance for home automation.
uneven ruin
Do you have any other USB sticks installed? When an update broke my zigbee it was typically zwave and zigbee stick usb id swap
because I didn't use a by-id path
autumn parcel
I use by-id
z-wave works. This used to be an issue, but I have solved it for good. Also long USB cord helped for stability
obsidian sandalBOT
autumn parcel
this is stack trace
obsidian sandalBOT
fair mountain
yeah I do understand that, so any suggestion on how to do it?
I bought Leviton DGS15S which are decora zigbee switches, detached the relay from the switch ... bound the light bulbs to the switch. downside is they dont "turn on" if theres a power failure.
molten linden
Innovelli is coming out with a zigbee switch/dimmer, not going to be cheap but promises a lot. getting closer to release too.
including decoupling the switch and relay for smart bulbs. neutral and no neutral too.
autumn parcel
lets start with ZHA integration back online
it is the weak link for my home assistant, very wife-sensitive thing
is there an easy way to downgrade docker?
autumn parcel
this I tried. I see I have latest docker (20.10.13), that can be a root cause. Is there an easy way to downgrade docker engine itself?
sour shadow
Make sure that the stick is passed through to the container
sour shadow
Open a shell in the container and check?
autumn parcel
interesting
/dev/ttyA*
/dev/ttyACM0 /dev/ttyACM1
no idea what ACM1 is
I will try to reboot without zwave key and add it later
sour shadow
Well, you shouldn't be using those paths
You should be using the /dev/serial/by-id/ paths, to avoid issues like changing paths
autumn parcel
it should be ok
homeassistant:
container_name: home-assistant
image: homeassistant/home-assistant:stable<...>
devices:
- /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2153320-if00:/dev/ttyACM0
host machine is fine
ACM0 is used inside container
can I check what is ACM0?
oh wait. it works now
only 2 hours going forward/backward, no changes at all, 6 reboots and everything is back on track. sounds like a zigbee....
thank you for support!
uneven ruin
its the fact you're using the acm paths
they swapped during your last reboot probably
sour shadow
Well, no
They're only using ttyACM0 inside the container
They are sensibly passing the by-serial path through as that, presumably to make it "easier" inside the container
fair mountain
by-serial are just symlinks to /dev/ttyXXX
autumn parcel
but they are maintained between reboots to right place
fair mountain
Reboots, Device Insertion events, etc. via udev. Yes 🙂
Never use /dev/ttyXXX directly.
autumn parcel
well, I have checked this, it was ok. and z-wave js was happy
autumn parcel
oh, and deconz was happy 🙂
uneven ruin
(unless its changed)
autumn parcel
was something random off
fair mountain
@uneven ruin correct. I had to manually use the /dev/serial/by-id .. in HASS 2022.2
which IMO is not great for the average user. because lots of people use HASSIO.
like my Dad for example, ended up using /dev/tty ..
uneven ruin
yeah
fair mountain
and then wonders why he has problems lol
but he is not a Linux user, so I dont expect him to know
uneven ruin
I'm not exactly an average user and I did it as well until my first problem
its easy to click it and say "i'll fix that later" then don't
autumn parcel
no no, docker is the only way to deploy home assistant. so easy to move it around, etc
fair mountain
no no, docker is the only way to deploy home assistant. so easy to move it aroun...
??
autumn parcel
one more related question, is it possible to have two controllers (or slave device than controls devices in the network)? I want to build active-active setup, but zigbee and zwave is limited to single physical dongle.
fair mountain
No, but you can use the same controller and take regular backups and write something to fail over to the other one if it dies.
autumn parcel
??
I created my docker setup in raspberry, then moved to nuc (unbutu x64). Started without issues. Only thing I kept was hass folder and docker-compose file.
sour shadow
one more related question, is it possible to have two controllers (or slave devi...
No, Zigbee only supports a single coordinator
You can back up a coordinator, and restore that backup to another one, but you'd better ensure only one is powered at any time
fair mountain
Were you saying that people shouldn't use hassio? Sorry, I'm confused. I migrated from an rpi3 to an rpi4 to an Intel NUC with hassio (=
obsidian sandalBOT
autumn parcel
well, hassio is docker. is it?
fair mountain
Sorry @sour shadow. HASSIO = Home Assistant OS. HASSIO uses Docker as part of the distribution.
fair mountain
Can you just mute me already?
sour shadow
It ceased being that over 2 years ago
autumn parcel
then it may be ok. I am not against. 🙂 As I have bunch of other containers it was obvious to deploy it directly.
fair mountain
You are super pedantic for no particular reason.
sour shadow
Can you just mute me already?
Won't stop me correcting you when you mislead others though 😉
fair mountain
then it may be ok. I am not against. 🙂 As I have bunch of other containers it w...
Oh for sure, I just see the use of hassio if you aren't super technical.
autumn parcel
a while ago hassio, as I remember was some limited magical container with no real access to underlying os
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
Yeah, it's still called Home Assistant OS now
It's a managed - appliance like - setup
fair mountain
a while ago hassio, as I remember was some limited magical container with no rea...
hassio/haos/home assistant os is pretty much like that still.
autumn parcel
it was a bit annoying for me, when I tried to run basic service on same machine.
fair mountain
Like for a power user, it's good to migrate off of it if you want to do anythign complicated. I find myself constantly fighting it.
but it's great if you want to throw hassio on a rpi4, with a zigbee dongle and give it to a family member who is sorta somewhat technical 🙂
autumn parcel
sure. I showed it at some automation presentation at work.
a few clicks and you have it working* (it is a trap, but...)
fair mountain
i.e. now I get a message saying my install is unsupported because I'm using MariaDB container directly from MariaDB and have deepstack installed ...
autumn parcel
which version?
autumn parcel
oh, we can move to #the-water-cooler
stark bear
Hi Everyone, new to the discord channel but long time HA user. Hope someone might have a solution for me, I am trying to use a couple of Ikea Tradfri on/off zigbee switches (type E1743) with ZHA. I got the switch connected and only the battery level shows up along with a push, so not an actual switch input. I built a couple of automation using the switch and in the automations you can see the correct actions i.e. push the on buttom on the switch, but no action happens when I push this on the switch. I then looked at the developer tools to listen to events from ZHA and while listening for events I see none when I push the two buttons on the switch. I have confirmed using a different 4 button ikea zigbee switch that the listening tool is working as I see events when using it within the event viewer. I have had a look online and the only solution was a few blueprints but I have also tried them and they do not function (same issue) and my understanding is that the blueprint isnt going to change the actual event/data being sent (or not sent). I have tried removing and re adding the switch, no luck. Anyone else have an issue like this before? Thanks
austere patio
Have you tried pressing buttons on the switch to keep it awake and then reconfiguring it via the device page?
stark bear
yes I have tried that. No luck 😦
austere patio
What does the reconfigure dialog show?
stark bear
how is it best to send you the dialog box since it is a table, I got green checks on binding and reporting and then when I show details I have info being reported for PowerConfiguration1CRCluster only in the reporting area but PollControl, OnOff, LevelControl and WindowCovering all have green checks in the binding area
not sure if that makes sense
tropic depot
yep means it all "worked"
stark bear
lol
tropic depot
still no ZHA events?
austere patio
Do you need to setup attribute reporting for the OnOff cluster as well to receive events?
stark bear
I will check again one second but when i did it last night still nothing
austere patio
Or is binding enough for IKEA?
A screenshot of the "show details" dialog would be good
tropic depot
depends... some devices only do group messaging
stark bear
yup still nothing in ZHA events
tropic depot
but I think they have been changing that in newer firmwares
stark bear
is there a way to send a screen shot in discord? sorry new to discord
stark bear
oh okay.
obsidian sandalBOT
tropic depot
can you do something else for me?
reset the device w/o removing it from HA and then pair it again
stark bear
sure give me one second
tropic depot
the reconfigure should be equivalent but I wanna rule out something wacky
stark bear
done
stark bear
no I dont see anything like that
austere patio
What coordinator stick are you using?
stark bear
one second I will pull that info
Texas Instruments CC2531, Z-Stack Home 1.2
Sonoff Zigbee CC2531 USB Dongle
austere patio
That shouldn't have any problems receiving unsolicited group requests if your switches do communicate that way
Do you have any routers? What does your network look like?
stark bear
I am currently rebuilding my HA due to moving houses (but these two switches are new bought a few weeks ago) so my network of zigbee is smaller then it was before but I currently have two routers both ikea smart blubs
austere patio
So just two IKEA bulbs and a few remotes?
stark bear
and then a few other sonoff temp sensors and water sensor and a 4 button ikea switch and that it is
tropic depot
the bulbs have power right?
stark bear
yes
all of them are powered and the switch can be right next to my ZHA sitck and still no results (I first thought it was just a distance thing)
austere patio
Do these identical devices have the same firmware version?
stark bear
I can also see the switch is being routed through the close by bulb
the two ikea switches that are not working, yes they do
austere patio
What about the ones that are working?
stark bear
different but they are not the same type of switch (working one is a E2002 Styrbar, not working is a E1743 Tradfri on/off
tropic depot
I just tested the 1743 the other day for someone. It was working w/o issue
stark bear
the one that works comes with the newer colour build from ikea
tropic depot
yep
stark bear
weird eh!
austere patio
Do you have any E1743s that do work?
stark bear
that was why I was so lost I spent a lot more hours then I should admit yesterday trying to troubleshoot the issue lol
no I don't 😦
I only have the two new ones
cloud heath
what I have found sometimes with the ikea stuff you need to keep it alive and reinterview or add, reset and re-add for all options to show up
are they up2date on the firmware side?
fair mountain
those IKEA bulbs are such a pain to add. ive had problems with them on deconz, ZHA, ..
cloud heath
I added 14 of them yesterday with z2m no issue at all
stark bear
I have tried the reinterview and the add reset and readd no luck. 😦 how do you keep alive maybe I am doing it wrong
stark bear
also not sure if they are up2date on firmware, any idea on the firmware of the ones you added yesterday?
@fair mountain my bulbs from Ikea added no issue at all its just this on/off switch that is the headache lol
@cloud heath okay yah thats what I have been doing too
cloud heath
@stark bear I added bulbs not switches
stark bear
oh bummer
cloud heath
I dont have an e1743 so cant test
stark bear
okay let me look and see if I can find what the current firmware is
austere patio
Those version numbers don't really correspond to the firmware image versions
You're looking for a number like 0x12345678
stark bear
yah I am currently google hunting for the actual firmware version number reported in HA
Firmware: 0x22010631
this is my current one
but need to find what that means from ikea lol
austere patio
Don't use the test feed 🙏
stark bear
looks like it is current as of June 2021 when people were reporting fast battery drain with the firmware update
on ZHA
mine still reports 100% at least hahaha
cloud heath
here is the non test feed http://fw.ota.homesmart.ikea.net/feed/version_info.json
austere patio
There's a way to read the current image version from either the OTA cluster or the Basic cluster, the file_version in the IKEA version JSON isn't formatted in a usable way so it's hard to compare
cloud heath
isnt it in the filename?
stark bear
I just looked at the json and it isnt comparable to the way the firmware is reported on zha
unless I am reading it wrong
austere patio
Tbh, it's probably easier to just enable ZHA debug logging and also https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#ota-firmware-updates
Pull the batteries from your remotes, then you'll see query_next_image in /config/home-assistant.log when they re-join the network and ask for new firmware. It'll slowly update if a newer image is available.
stark bear
okay I can gvie the ota a shot
I will have to do the OTA stuff in a little bit have to actually do my day job 😦 thanks for all of the troubleshooting help everyone! Once I get the OTA setup I will report back 🙂
inner bay
@stark bear those switches are crap nad not worth the money spent. i have one and it just collects dust as it's pretty darn useless
buy a sonoff button instead . short press , 2x press and long press....easy to do automations with
link is to a swedish site but it shows what button it is
https://www.styrahem.se/p/656?gclid=CjwKCAjw8sCRBhA6EiwA6_IF4dv9SEdCxuKfaGVLllOQ3T6M0HV8tLc2lu-G-mPKwpzB2ehzeClVThoC9sEQAvD_BwE
oblique pivot
maybe one of you can help me with my 2nd tube-zb-gw-cc2652p2-v2. I have one of them in use for ZHA. Today a 2nd one arrived by mail which I want to use to test Z2M in parallel. I am having problems though as both have the same mdns name. So I have to change the ESPHome FW, right? https://github.com/tube0013/tube_gateways/blob/4fadcea3f13fdc7bfba0a20b24fd0a156cbb0277/V2_tube_zb_gw_cc2652p2/esphome/tube_zb_gw_cc2652p2v2.yml
Unfortunately I can not compile, there is an error in line 9. What do I have to enter there?
inner bay
u can't run both zha and z2m simultaneously i think
molten linden
sure you can just need 2 coordinators
inner bay
unless two dongles ofcourse
molten linden
Thanks @oblique pivot
inner bay
ahh ^^
molten linden
recommend just addressing both via the IP address when setting up zha and z2m, then mdns doesn't come into play. z2m docker doesn't play nice with mdns either
oblique pivot
Oh, hi @molten linden 🙂
molten linden
reserve the ip in your router then you don't need to worry about a static ip fw
oblique pivot
so far it is clear to me, stupidly I have set up the first at that time with the mDNS name at ZHA. when I had the 2nd today in the network ZHA was of the opinion to want to use the new...
molten linden
you can edit the config entity to point to the ip
have to hop on a zoom meeting but it's in config/.storage
oblique pivot
a nice thank you very much
molten linden
config_entities
make a back up
look for zha and change the mdns path to the ip:port
save
oblique pivot
thank you 🙂
molten linden
and if you didn't mess up the quotes or commas HA restart HA and it should be good
faint zephyr
I want to expand my sensors that I have now and seems ZigBee Is a good way to go. But are all ZigBee devices compatibel with each other or do you have to invest in a brand of ZigBee ? Like sonoss ?
austere patio
I want to expand my sensors that I have now and seems ZigBee Is a good way to go...
No, 99% of devices are cross compatible
faint zephyr
No, 99% of devices are cross compatible
So I can just buy a hub and other zigbee devices and connect them all together
sour shadow
Well, sort of
You pick ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT first
Then you pick a coordinator that's (well) supported by the one you picked
Hubs are generally to be avoided
faint zephyr
If hubs are to be avoided how do you connect the ZigBee to your network to work with HA thought that was a vital part
sour shadow
Then you pick a coordinator that's (well) supported by the one you picked
faint zephyr
Okay let me Google that
sour shadow
Look in the pinned messages instead
faint zephyr
Look in the pinned messages instead
Cheers a lot of good info
sour shadow
Most channels have pinned messages - or topics - with key information
faint zephyr
Sorry pretty new to discord don't know al the tricks jet
sour shadow
That's fine, it's why I mentioned it
weary moon
hi, anyone use the E-wand (for slatted blinds) by Current Products Corp. (myewand . com)? Their Gen 2 has Zigbee and I want to buy one unit and see how well it works. I currently use ZHA w/ the Sonoff 3.0 dongle plus, and wondering if it's compatible? TIA
uneven ruin
doesn't list ZHA but I would guess it does
looks like it uses standard zigbee 3 stuff so ZHA would probably pick it right up
weary moon
thanks for looking it up, just hoping someone updates that page and confirm
uneven ruin
ZHA for zigbee 3 just defaults to working, Z2M needs explicit addition
ZHA's main strength
lilac wharf
Minor correction: it doesn't have anything to do with zigbee 3.0 since zb3.0 doesn't prevent manufacturers from deviating from the zigbee spec. Any devices that follow the zigbee spec (i.e., zigbee 1.2, zigbee 3.0, etc.) should work without a quirk in ZHA
fair mountain
but lots of things have quirks 😛
nova flint
Tuya 🤮 especially.
nova flint
If they're currently behaving nicely, playing around with them sounds like a terrible idea 😄
jolly narwhal
Well, the Tuya rotary dimmer i have behaves like shit
I only keep the Tuya WiFi devices with esps, the rest go in a box of electronic waste
ivory hound
btw how is tuya zigbee behaves? should i avoid them or they are good ?
ivory hound
well sh**
i am guessing there is no list out there with what ppl tested what's working and what is not
sour shadow
Don't forget, this is Tuya, the guts can change with zero warning, so that thing somebody else bought that works... you may buy something that's functionally different inside
jolly python
Me and <@930210410194432050> are testing them
The Tuya NAS-WR01B, yes
ivory hound
Don't forget, this is Tuya, the guts can change with zero warning, so that thing...
yeah I imagine better avoid as possible
formal olive
you can use zigbee switches that send commands instead of cutting the power
BTW wondering do you used aqara wireless switch? if yes could you share how to make the switch work (the yaml config) still wondering how to make this work.
ivory hound
on what integration do you use it?
formal olive
ZHA
ivory hound
if you have it pair just use the ui
to make a automation
dont go yaml way if you dont know about how it works
formal olive
its pair.. but still havent figure it out how to make it work.
ivory hound
event
developer tools - > events
put in the field
zha_event
start listening
press buttons (on aqara switch ofc)
when done and you figure out how to use it in automation
stop listening
formal olive
ok.. will try.. thanks
jolly python
ok.. will try.. thanks
Maybe there is already a blueprint?
ivory hound
i dont think he knows how to make an automation maybe a blueprint will help idd, i did not think about this since i dont use them at all
obsidian sandalBOT
median spoke
hey guys. my coinbee 2 has some issues and I don't know what to do.
Any idea what to do?
obsidian sandalBOT
sour shadow
What is your setup? Is this a Pi, a VM, a NUC, a ... what?
You running HAOS, Supervised, Container, straight Core?
obsidian sandalBOT
median spoke
You running HAOS, Supervised, Container, straight Core?
obsidian sandalBOT
median spoke
USB 2.0 cable that is
strange but okay. but why?
sour shadow
There's an in depth explanation in the pinned messages, but basically to avoid interference
median spoke
There's an in depth explanation in the pinned messages, but basically to avoid i...
oh. okay. How i find the pinned message?
found it
ivory hound
hey guys. my coinbee 2 has some issues and I don't know what to do.
https://www...
if I had 1$ for every time somebody say this
I never heard or read, I have problems with my zig-a-zig-ah! zzh stick
maybe because is easier to write conbee then zig-a-zig-ah 🤣
did anyone compare performance of zig-a-zig-ah! and sonoff plus one? i wonder how do they perform head to head since sonoff 3.0 plus has that 20db amplifier
cold surge
Is there a way to customize non standard/non conforming zigbee devices when using the ZHA integration? Similar to what they did here: https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/deconz-rest-plugin/pull/5680 . I looked through zigpy and i didn't find something like this.
lilac wharf
did anyone compare performance of zig-a-zig-ah! and sonoff plus one? i wonder ho...
The answer is probably "basically the same" since a properly-designed mesh should function well regardless of how loud the coordinator can shout
warm jungle
Looking for community input. I just got a Philips Hue Hub but I have yet to add lights. Philips' lightstrips look really nice and many seem to think the juice is worth the squeeze, however....has anyone had any success and consistency with other zigbee compatible light strips connecting to a Philips Hue Hub? If so, what brands?
barren wyvern
I am having major issues with ZHA and sensors. Everything has been great until yesterday then the sensors mainly ziaomi, Hue and IKEA motion sensors all stopped working one by one. To try to sort it i deleted the intigration and re-installed it now it won't accept anything. There are log messages but i don't understand them
sour shadow
From previous posts here MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE can be a sign of interference, try using a USB (2.0) extension cable
barren wyvern
I already put it on one of 1 metre aleady and it has been working for over a month until yesterday
austere patio
I already put it on one of 1 metre aleady and it has been working for over a mon...
The radio doesn't lie, if it says there's interference then it will refuse to transmit
Move the Conbee around
cold surge
https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/
Exactly what I was looking for - thanks! How does this get into Home Assistant? Does it get merged every release with zigpy?
barren wyvern
Thank you i will read that and try moving the radio receiver around as you suggest.
austere patio
Exactly what I was looking for - thanks! How does this get into Home Assistant? ...
It's a dependency of the ZHA integration and is updated whenever a new version of the package is released and someone makes a PR to HA Core bumping the dependency version
You can install quirks locally as well: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#custom_quirks_path
barren wyvern
I have a Hue bridge within 1 metre of the Conbee would that cuase issues?
austere patio
If they are both on channel 15, it definitely wouldn't help
The Conbee is especially sensitive
barren wyvern
Oh sugar i have no idea about channels. I'm a 70 year ols chap just tinkering and trying to get into this home automation thing.
austere patio
There's not much you can do about the channels with Zigbee so I wouldn't worry about it. Try moving the Conbee to some place quiet, away from any raspberry pis, power supplies, USB 3.0 ports, WiFi routers, etc.
Make sure it's on a USB 2.0 extension cable as well
barren wyvern
I have it plugged into a usb 3 port on the raspeberry pi 4 on a 1 metre extension. I read before that pluggin it into the pi was a bad idea.
I think it's a usb 3 extension
austere patio
3.0 cables are usually a bit thicker. Try moving it to a 2.0 port or using a 2.0 cable. You can do that without restarting HA.
barren wyvern
Thank you i put the Conbee on a 2 metre USB 2 cable and plugged it in a USB 2 port on the PI and sensors now seem to be able to be added. Thank you so much for your help i appreciate it a lot.
austere patio
I'm glad it works. Good luck!
ivory hound
The answer is *probably* "basically the same" since a properly-designed mesh sho...
ty, yah I thought so
wispy mortar
I have an Aqara Wireless Remote Switch which is a double rocker, but when I pair it with home assistant it is only one entity. how should I define what should the left switch control and what should the right switch control? Integration is Zha and I use Conbee2
sour shadow
It uses events rather than entitys
Go to 
-> Events and listen to zha_event
Then push the buttons
wispy mortar
It responds but is the same response from both buttons.
Can I give a link to the response codes they both give back?
sour shadow
The buttons should give slightly different responses
obsidian sandalBOT
wispy mortar
Yea but only the hash code (or what is that) changes. Nothing else
https://www.codepile.net/pile/YoVdlLPa - so this is what i get when i press the left, then the right button
wispy mortar
Yes. I Think thats my issue :/
hushed scroll
I have the NORTEK hsb dual z-wave and zigbee usb stick. I'm wondering if Zigbee2mqtt is more stable or reliable than the ZHA integration? I have the ZHA integration and it keeps failing or not starting up correctly when i restart HA.
I also recently bought a Sonoff zigbee usb stick. Can zigbee devices connect to two different zigbee controllers? I'm wondering if I can run zigbee2mqtt using the Sonoff zigbee usb controller and run the ZHA intigration using the Nortek usb.
lilac wharf
No, they can't. You can run both ZHA and z2m each with its own coordinator, but they would be separate zigbee networks
austere patio
I have the NORTEK hsb dual z-wave and zigbee usb stick. I'm wondering if Zigbee2...
What do you mean by "failing" and "not starting up correctly"?
hushed scroll
Well after a restart I just happen to go look at my integrations and the ZHA box is outlined in red, and it shows "! Retrying setup" message within the integration box. And all my zigbee devices keep showing up as unavailable.
austere patio
How are you running HA? HA OS? Docker? Something else?
Enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging and post a startup log
hushed scroll
I just restarted after making a light group in my config.yaml and the ZHA integration is showing the red box around it.
I have a HA Blue with supervisor
hushed scroll
Ok i added the debugging info and restarted. How do I post the startup log. Just striaght in this comment box?
austere patio
Upload it to https://dpaste.org/
hushed scroll
Ok, I'm still wet behind the ears with HA. Is the "startup log" the Logs section?
austere patio
It's /config/home-assistant.log
It has location info and other things you may want to redact so I would search through it before posting it publicly (if you care)
hushed scroll
How do I access actual log file? Do I go in through samba share and look for it?
tropic depot
You can do that
hushed scroll
Ok, I see a "home-assistant.log" and a "home-assistant.log.1" and then I see "home-assistant.log.fault" which ones would you all like to see?
tropic depot
Let’s start with .log
dapper horizon
Hi Guys, After a lot of time, I finally took the time to install my home assistant on a rpi 4 SSD (my old 3 is still running perfectly for now) . all works grand, I reinstalled from my backup but none of my zigbee devices are unavailable. even when I add one it doesnt show in the entity list
hushed scroll
I pasted the HA log file at the https://dpaste.org/ but I dont see a link that I can copy like codepile site to share the log info.
tropic depot
Hi Guys, After a lot of time, I finally took the time to install my home assista...
Need more info… what integration, what coordinator, etc.
austere patio
I pasted the HA log file at the https://dpaste.org/ but I dont see a link that I...
It redirects you to the final URL. Whatever works, as long as it's public.
hushed scroll
Here you go https://dpaste.org/z2DE
dapper horizon
Need more info… what integration, what coordinator, etc.
ofcourse. sorry been looking into some things.
using a cc2531 shepperd stick.
mosquito core, and zigbee2mqtt 1.24
austere patio
[bellows.uart] Lost serial connection: device reports readiness to read but returned no data (device disconnected or multiple access on port?)
dapper horizon
the logs ,and zigbee 2 mqtt webui do detect them, but I cant use them on the instance of hass ,
then I get errors
or doesnt do anything because it's not available
tropic depot
@hushed scroll you said you were on a blue right?
hushed scroll
yes
tropic depot
What does the supervisor show for resource usage
And is HAOS and the supervisor up to date?
and is it possible something else is trying to access the stick
Did you try installing another zigbee integration?
hushed scroll
My HA OS is version 7.5, and my core version is 2022.3.4 I'm not sure where to read the resource usage in the supervisor. Well a couple of days ago I was having trouble with the ZHA integration, So I deleted it and then reinstalled it to see if that might fix my issue.
tropic depot
if you go to supervisor in configuration
hushed scroll
I did download the zigbee2mqtt add-on but its not active
tropic depot
It will show you the resource usage
tropic depot
I did download the zigbee2mqtt add-on but its not active
You’re positive right?
hushed scroll
Channel is stable, CPU usage is at 0.1% and RAM is at 4.9% and evediently the zigbee2mqtt was indeed active. Last time I had looked it was still grayed out. But I stopped it.
tropic depot
that’s your issue
Can’t have 2 trying to talk to the same stick at once
if you continue to have issues after this: start by disabling all things installed via HACS
ZHA runs in the HA event loop so it will suffer if any integration is misbehaving
Well, let me back up, what were the issues a few days ago?
hushed scroll
well that's alot of stuff. All the front end cards I installed from HACS also?
tropic depot
nah, just integrations
But let’s back up a bit. What were the original issues before you downloaded z2m
hushed scroll
My zigbee devices kept coming up as "unavailable" so I bought a couple zigbee plug in smart plugs and a zigbee lightbulb to try and make the network more robust. I went and bought a Sonoff zigbee stick and while I was waiting for it to come from China I downloaded the zigbee2mqtt addon and started looking into the documentation. But I don't believe I ever officially turned it on. But I may have and then turned it off again.
tropic depot
what devices do you have? I saw a bunch of Aqara devices in the logs. What plugs did you get?
hushed scroll
I bought the "innr" brand of plugs and bulbs
austere patio
If you ever ran Z2M with your current stick then it would have erased your network settings, causing all devices on the network to appear offline
hushed scroll
Hmm, well that would explain why when I deleted the zha and then reinstalled it I had re-setup all the devices.
Can i keep the z2m addon on my HA but in an off state? or do I need to remove it?
austere patio
If you can be sure it won't be running again sure
tropic depot
make sure start on boot is off too
formal olive
i dont think he knows how to make an automation maybe a blueprint will help idd,...
got it working thanks
hushed scroll
Thank you both dmulchey and puddly for your help. I really appreciate it.
Ok, perhaps we are not done. I just went and made sure the z2m add-on is not going to start on boot. and I restarted HA but all my zigbee devices are still showing as unavalible. The ZHA integration is not showing the red box around it. But I did see the following in the logs. Logger: homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base
Source: components/zha/core/channels/base.py:428
Integration: Zigbee Home Automation (documentation, issues)
First occurred: 21:13:12 (2 occurrences)
Last logged: 21:13:16
[0x49FD:1:0x0006]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0006]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0006]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0006]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0006]: Message send failure')]
[0x49FD:1:0x0008]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0008]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0008]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0008]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x49fd:1:0x0008]: Message send failure')]
austere patio
Ok, perhaps we are not done. I just went and made sure the z2m add-on is not goi...
When was the last time that device worked?
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