zigbee-archived

[ivory hound]

okay then 😄

[jolly narwhal]

I want mine @cerulean abyss

Coming tomorrow

I think

[cerulean abyss]

Woot

[pine spire]

How do you link an ethernet zigbee hub with HA?

[jolly narwhal]

Magic

[pine spire]

I want magic

[ivory hound]

maybe i'll take one too

from Tube to see what is all about

[cerulean abyss]

Zha is auto discovered, Z2Mqtt you have to enter it’s address on your network

[jolly narwhal]

Me sending business to @molten linden

[pine spire]

So you have to install Zigbee2MQTT ?

[cerulean abyss]

If you want to use it

You can use ZHA too

[jolly narwhal]

You mean 1 minute deployment of a container?

[cerulean abyss]

Whichever one lights your fire

[cerulean abyss]

Even quicker on OS 😉

[jolly narwhal]

🤢

Disgusting

[pine spire]

I just wanted to now take the opportunity to say thanks for pointing me to the rabbit hole I jumped into, guys. 😄

[cerulean abyss]

Hey I like to virtualise everything. Easy to just make that a VM on my server

[rapid skiff]

In the supporting a new device, it says "Once finished, restart Zigbee2MQTT and trigger some actions on the device. You will see messages like: xxx". How do I trigger actions on the light?

[cerulean abyss]

Then I only manage OS and not Debian/ Ubuntu and HA at the same time

[pine spire]

I had the same thought... I already have a server (Windows 🤢 ) but it was already there with not a lot of load on it except plex and a couple of other things.

[cerulean abyss]

Atx hates anything that isn’t 100x more workload for himself 😂

[jolly narwhal]

[rapid skiff]

Do any devices exist that are both wifi and zigbee?

[sour shadow]

There's a really crappy coordinator

[rapid skiff]

How does one create a git pull request?

I've cloned the zigbee repository, added an image, and need to create a pull request

[jolly narwhal]

For once I'll actually recommend a YouTube video

[rapid skiff]

Thank you, that would be great

[worldly violet]

Its says
Pre-flashed with Z-Stack 3.x.0 coordinator firmware
Can use ZHA in Home Assistant or use Zigbee2MQTT
Base on TI CC2652P + CP2102N
+20dBm output gain
SMA interface external antenna,Aluminum housing effectively reduces signal interference from peripherals

[sour shadow]

Base on TI CC2652P

That's the bit that matters, you bought the only one they've done that's not completely crap

[worldly violet]

so maybe the sensors? It seems to work with a couple of HUE bulbs I have

I guess it could be interference, there is a lot of other wifi around

[sour shadow]

Did you read the message you quoted?

Sonoff == junk

[worldly violet]

so the USB stick is kind of ok? but you are saying the sensors are crap?

[sour shadow]

Yes

[rapid skiff]

For my adjustable white light, I'm able to set the color temp/brightness in the "exposes" tab, but in home assistant it only gives me light.wafer_led_a for an entity id

[sour shadow]

That's normal

The colour temperature and brightness are attributes

[pine spire]

I think I'm going to try the ZZH stick instead of the ConBee II stick...

[worldly violet]

ok, thats a relief at least I only bought 4 or 5 sensors.

[worldly violet]

Do you have any recomendation for door sensors whcih will work well with my USB stick?

[rapid skiff]

How do I import that into home assistant?

[sour shadow]

You don't

Look at the light entity once you turn it on - ->States

[sour shadow]

Xiaomi Aqara work well

[rapid skiff]

oof okay lol

thanks

[sour shadow]

That's how it works for all lights in HA

[rapid skiff]

Gotcha

I'll ask about HA stuff elsewhere

[nova flint]

I was strongly considering the ZZH stick, but due to availability when I ordered, I ended up going for the slaesh's CC2652RB development stick (preassembled) and so far, I've been really happy with it 🙂

[forest jetty]

I have a couple zwave schlage connect locks. About to buy another and saw they make them in ZigBee now as well. I'm assuming the ZigBee ones will get a bit better battery life. Is there a down side to going ZigBee?

[nova flint]

My experience is actually the opposite, zwave tends to use less power.
Zigbee is more prone to interference from wifi, but that's a relatively easy thing to overcome with some channel planning.

Zigbee tends to be snappier though, even if it uses more power 🙂

[forest jetty]

After a bit off Google fu it appears my zwave knowledge is antiquated to pre zwave plus times...

[pine spire]

Can you get it on Amazon?

[nova flint]

https://slae.sh/projects/cc2652/ <- Don't think it's on Amazon. Either directly from slaesh or from the selection of retailers.

[jade bridge]

i'm using the z2mqtt image and have it working with HA -- it's great! light bulbs, door sensors, water leaks, etc.

i am having an issue with my Schlage smart lock though. according to the docs (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/BE468.html#pin-code-composite) i can push a payload to zigbee2mqtt/FRIENDLY_NAME/set and i'm able to control the pin codes. tbh i'm not really sure how to do this. i would like to eventually set up a blueprint for configuring the lock by adapting this one: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/zwave-js-schlage-lock-user-code-actions/280538 to work with zigbee

whenever i use the HA built-in mqtt integration to send a testing payload as described in the docs, i just get an error: Invalid message 'null', skipping...

i know i'm doing something wrong, i just don't know what

[jade bridge]

well i got it:

{"pin_code": {"user": 1, "user_type": "unrestricted", "user_enabled": true, "pin_code": "0000"}}

[sacred hearth]

hm, another philips hue related question (again, if this is the wrong channel, please direct me to a better one). I'm trying to get my philips wall switch module to work, it's connected to my hue bridge, but I don't get any long press events. When I push down my switch (its one of those button-switches that go back to neutral again), I get a "initial_press" event in 90% of the cases, and exactly one second later a "short_release" event, no matter how long I press the button. I tried it with two different modules. I've seen people mention long press on home assistant for those modules - what am I doing wrong?

[torn saffron]

Question for the hardware/spec folks: what is the limit of neighbors/children a Zigbee router can handle? i.e. the max number of devices (whether end/routers) that can pass messages through a given Zigbee router to the coordinator?

[jolly narwhal]

Probably depends

[pine spire]

I would assume it depends on the device coordinator.

[jolly narwhal]

Not that I think anyone has hit any proper limits yet, i only have 120 devices but people have hundreds

[austere patio]

5-6 children, neighbors are not limited I think

[lilac wharf]

Is it a hard limit like that? Some of my routers (sonoff S31 lite zb) have 14+ children

I thought I've read somewhere that it depends mainly on the amount of RAM the router has

[austere patio]

It's set by the firmware but many hold only five or six children before they stop allowing new ones to join through them

[lilac wharf]

Yeah, I know the Ikea plugs are limited to six

[hybrid gyro]

could you tell me a bit about the wifi thing? I think I'm having an interference issue and are trying to reduce them

[lilac wharf]

@hybrid gyro https://support.metageek.com/hc/en-us/articles/203845040-ZigBee-and-WiFi-Coexistence

[hybrid gyro]

Cheers

[lyric vortex]

Hey. Here’s a link to a Sonoff Zigbee USB: https://cloudfree.shop/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-dongle/ I see that in the description it is stated that the USB is flashed with certain firmware. Is this updated stock firmware, or something completely else? I hope the question is clear, I basically just want to know if the dongle is in its stock form as it would be from the factory.

[sour shadow]

It's going to be the stock firmware - that you'll want to replace with newer firmware anyway

[jolly narwhal]

Makes sense, behaves like an ARP / routing table I guess

[last ruin]

Are there alternatives to the Aqara TVOC air quality sensor if one just wants a display with temperature and humidity and don't really care about TVOC?

[jolly narwhal]

Sure, the Bluetooth one works fine here

[last ruin]

But it's bluetooth 😦

[jolly narwhal]

The Xiaomi one that is, i use two of this

And I use a esp32 as a gateway

Data goes into ha fine

[last ruin]

Hmm... can you use one esp32 to get data from a bunch of various bluetooth devices?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

If they are in range

[last ruin]

I see... I do prefer the TVOC design over that one though... Do you have other BT devices? I've disregarded everything Bluetooth but ESP32 as a gateway could work.

[jolly narwhal]

I only use those with HA, but my house is full of Bluetooth devices

And they are very cheap

[last ruin]

I have the Aqara temp sensors (without display) in all rooms and just thought a display in the living room would be nice. Maybe I'll get the TVOC since I only need one. I'm waiting impatiently for a simple way to integrate e-ink displays from pricetags with HA. Lots of work done there these days it seems.

[tall canyon]

Hi! I would like to make a sensor that collects data from my devices (movement sensors, door sensors, ... ) and tell's me when was the last time it detected presence. I belive there's some way to do that with z2m configuration, isnt it? I only know how to do it with a custom automatization, but I'm sure there's an easier way. Any ideas?

[sour shadow]

There's no way to do that in Z2M

In HA there's a few options, the simplest of which is to just group those binary_sensor entities

[tall canyon]

I thought "bind" or "reporting" tabs in zigbee devices would be the key, since I don't understand what they are for 😅

[sour shadow]

Both of those are explained in the Z2M docs

However, there's zero support for aggregating entities like that

[quaint belfry]

hi guys, question here. My home assistant does not update my location (or any other device). All permissions are set right (no power limitation or data limitation or stopping the app when not using the app)

location can be used all the time (no limitation)

[sour shadow]

What's that got to do with Zigbee?

[quaint belfry]

nothing works.

oh shoot

[sour shadow]

I think you're lost

[quaint belfry]

sorry, wrong chat

[sour shadow]

The app channels are over that way

[cerulean abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-looking-for-directions-navigate-is-lost-gif-11835765

Damnit embed

[jolly narwhal]

Oooh yeah

[violet dagger]

not pink? disappointed...

[jolly narwhal]

[last ruin]

@jolly narwhal, Is there any point to TVOC sensors in a regular home btw?

[jolly narwhal]

I would say no

Unless you live in a big city

[violet dagger]

what's a regular home?

[jolly narwhal]

In the middle of a cesspool

I just bought one because I had a voucher

And it was cool

[violet dagger]

they're quite popular in large chinese cities... i wonder why

[jolly narwhal]

People who live in downtown Oslo are complaining that their kids are getting asthma

[violet dagger]

its probably handy in california

[last ruin]

If only the Aqara TVOC also had a CO2 sensor. I have a CO2 sensor actually, but it's in my bathroom scale, and naturally... in the bathroom...

[jolly narwhal]

I've never seen a need for a co² sensor either tbh

[violet dagger]

i use them religiously

especially in the winter

[jolly narwhal]

You have a co² factory in the basement?

[last ruin]

In a previous apartment I put the bathroom scale in my bedroom. In the middle of the night (with closed windows) the readings were poor. 😛

[violet dagger]

no, in my living room

i have a notification to air out the room once it goes too high

[jolly narwhal]

Now I need to buy a co² sensor just to see how shitty my levels are

[violet dagger]

and it does

[last ruin]

I have balanced ventilation, I assume the co2 levels are decent

[violet dagger]

then you see a correlation with your groginess and co2 levels

should be if the ventilation is in play

[jolly narwhal]

Based on myself and my daughters I'm expecting a high rise in methane during daytime though

[last ruin]

What 'factory' are you referring to, blackadder?

[violet dagger]

humans

and a wood fireplace during winter

[cerulean abyss]

I would’ve thought wood put off CO not CO2

[violet dagger]

fire takes o2 to burn

i run MHZ-19's and SCD30 sensors on an ESP

[last ruin]

No fireplace in my apartment but the static electricity is annoying. When I get up from my recliner (that has
an extending footrest) there is a popping sound from the discharge. Sometimes it causes the TV to blink to black for a second.

[violet dagger]

a TVOC sensor is used in the kitchen to turn on the exhaust automatically

[jolly narwhal]

Hmmmm

[violet dagger]

who knew cooking makes tvoc...

[jolly narwhal]

Let me see my tvoc the last 24h

[violet dagger]

teflon fun

[jolly narwhal]

We cooked a lot last night

[last ruin]

19,5 % humidity last night in my living room. 😖

[violet dagger]

you should moisturize

[last ruin]

'They' don't recommend humidifiers apparently (and I don't relly want a device blasting water in my apartment).

[violet dagger]

i mean moisturise with a cream 😛

20% is so low tho

[jolly narwhal]

That one is placed in the doorway between the kitchen and living room

[violet dagger]

good for covid 😉

[last ruin]

Myself? 😄 Yeah, I definitly should. My back is itching at night time.

[cerulean abyss]

Who’s they?

[violet dagger]

extremes of humidity put a strain on your breathing system and help the disease vectors

"they" are dumb

[jolly narwhal]

40-60 is fine last I checked

[violet dagger]

that is a nice range

its 43% in my living room now

[jolly narwhal]

34-38 here

But it is winter and -6c

[violet dagger]

just sweat profusely for 5 minutes 😉

[jolly narwhal]

I'll just do wet farts

[violet dagger]

the TVOC will have something to do

[last ruin]

The 'experts' in news and such. They say humidifiers do more damage than good.

[violet dagger]

fox news?

[jolly narwhal]

I should have a humidifier in my garage

[violet dagger]

so... rain does damage?

[jolly narwhal]

For all my guitars

[violet dagger]

i thought you'd say cuban cigars

[cerulean abyss]

50-55% humidity here

[jolly narwhal]

Smells like wet kangaroo

[noble aurora]

how do I enable mqtt version 5? got mosquitto and zig2mq.. running ha as vm.

[sour shadow]

Enable it where?

Does your MQTT broker support it?

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/mqtt.html#server-connection details how to set it in Z2M

HA only supports 3.1 or 3.1.1

[jolly narwhal]

@molten linden zigbee2mqtt says you need to copy IEEE address from old to new adapter when you migrate, pretty sure I didn't do this when migrating from cc1352 to zzh, just wanted to check if you had any idea, I've already downgraded the esphome firmware

[molten linden]

I think the backup / restore process should handle. But also have never done it myself so 🤷🏼‍♂️

[jolly narwhal]

Ah, I'll try using zigpy nvram backup and restore then

[molten linden]

that will def work. but I meant the one in z2m. I'm not sure how well it's documented but my understanding is it should be seamless.

[potent smelt]

Hi all. I'm pretty new to HA and automations and whatnot. I'm using a Raspberry PI with HA OS and Raspbee II zigbee controller. I just have a few bulbs and switches just to get things started, but I'm having some issues. With deCONZ I kept losing connection to the bulbs and had to search for them again, so I switched to Zigbee2MQTT, but it doesn't seem to work well with the app on my phone. Like it doesn't update the status of the bulbs If I turned them off (using IKEA switch). Is there some configuration I might have screwed up? I'm not sure where to look, so If someone could point me in the right direction, that would be much appreciated.

Is there one that usually work better than the other? (deCONZ vs Zigbee2MQTT)

[sour shadow]

Losing connection sounds like probably an issue with the mesh

[jolly narwhal]

Yeah, I think I did nothing

But I wasn't sure

Let me try to just shutdown zigbee2mqtt, then change the port

And start it

[noble aurora]

i dont know. I think i tried once before in the link mentioned but it didnt work. I now again enabeled ti.. lets see how it goes. For now at least it seems to work

[jolly narwhal]

Aye, just shutdown, change, start, works fine

Now to migrate my zigbee2mqtt to something else than the pi and restart it 🤢

[cerulean abyss]

Hey @molten linden one thing I’ve noticed with your controller, when the Ethernet gets disconnected then reconnected (such as a router reboot - before poe splitter was installed) it refuses to go back on the network without turning the power off your controller and restarting it fully that way. That just how the ESP chips are?

[molten linden]

I haven't seen that, maybe network router related. a static ip build of esphome may make it more resilient happy to help with that (just not now about to take a kid to the dentist).

[jolly narwhal]

I'm doing DHCP reservation with DNS server population now, and using that DNS entry in zigbee2mqtt

Working wonderful

[cerulean abyss]

Not too fussed, it’s now poe so if I want to kill the network it’ll take that with it lol

[jolly narwhal]

I'm off the pi

[violet dagger]

your soul is saved

[jolly narwhal]

I can sleep at night

And not projectile vomit every three hours

[weak needle]

Trying to pair my Ikea Tradfri zigbee repeater, however, it cant seem to pair even after setting it to pairing mode. I am using ZHA

[wary harbor]

I have a ZOOZ S2 USB stick for z-wave and it's working great. What can I get for zigbee? any recommendations?

[obsidian sandal]

@wary harbor Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '.pickyourstick' was invoked by: atxbyea

[wary harbor]

cool, thanks

[rapid skiff]

https://www.amazon.com/Shelly-2-5Double-Wireless-Automation-Application/dp/B07Z623J8Z/

Thoughts on using a shelly relay to control a boiler? Essentially using a temp sensor and a relay controlled over HA instead of a smart thermostat

This one has two built in relays, so more value

[violet dagger]

is your boiler under the rated amperage of the shelly?

[rapid skiff]

The shelly won't control the boiler itself, just the themostat input

[violet dagger]

then its ok

[rapid skiff]

Any other cheap relay boards? Something with multiple outputs?

[violet dagger]

plenty of them

[rapid skiff]

I'm looking at Z2M and yeah looks like plently of options

Want to do something like 10 heating zones, doesn't look like theres many options for zigbee themostats

[violet dagger]

not for that many zones

[rapid skiff]

I would need one per zone really

For some reason they are mostly only in C because of European markets

[fiery heart]

Hello I'm using home assistant with zigbee2mqtt and I've got ikea blinder (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/E1757.html#ikea-e1757). It worked great, I could control position of the blinder in home assistant, but after complete reinstallation and pairing ikea blinder again, I can see only battery level, link quality and update available in home assistant and can't control position anymore. (However, in zigbee2mqtt I can control position)
Can somebody help me how to add position to home assistant? Thanks

[rapid skiff]

Oh my bad, shelly is not zigbee

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/ZBMINI.html

I might try the sonoff since it's on amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Compatible-SmartThings-Philips-ZBBridge-Required/dp/B08R79686G/

$10 each

Oh and that looks like you can also use that with a standard rocker switch to control smart bulbs

[alpine cipher]

Dear all, Z2M went down again today. Koen asked me to do the following cat /var/log/syslog but when I do this in the SSH addon, i get an error. Any idea how to get this done ?

[sour shadow]

Ah, you don't get syslog with the add-on

I'm not even sure how to get useful output from the add-on

[alpine cipher]

somehow Z2M goes down every few days and we need to get to the source - any ideas ?

[sour shadow]

Sadly I know nothing about add-ons - I stay away from that whole ecosystem

I prefer systems that give me access and control so that when things break I can find out why

[alpine cipher]

understood - the thing I looked at was ease of use and remote control

but if i goes down every few days now - i need to re-evaluate

the updates go automatically and stuff...

it is running now on a RPI3B - do you think going to RPI4 will help ?

[sour shadow]

It's unlikely to hurt

The Pi3 only has 1 GB of RAM, depending on the add-ons you could be running out of RAM

You could also be hitting USB power issues

[alpine cipher]

If i copy all relevant data for the rpi3 - do I still need to re-pair all devices ?

[sour shadow]

Nope

[empty igloo]

Currently I have a Philips Hue on my network. Is it possible to use it as a Zigbee gateway for my Home Assistant for non-HUE compatible products?

I know that you sometimes can with third party apps with third party devices

Or do I have to buy a Zigbee USB adapter

[jolly narwhal]

Yes, you are better off going full off the hue hub though

One mesh > two meshes

[obsidian sandal]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '.pickyourstick' was invoked by: atxbyea

[empty igloo]

that's disappointing. but also fair

[jolly narwhal]

It is a better life

[empty igloo]

I'm intending to maybe add a few Zigbee sensors is why i'm asking and i don't really want to shell out another 30-50 bucks on a Zigbee adapter

but i like the scenes in hue being easy to add and such

so maybe keep the hue for lights and get a separate one for sensors?

[sour shadow]

Well, a Zigbee mesh requires routers

All sensors isn't a mesh, it's a disaster

[nova flint]

@empty igloo You can't use the Hue hub as a zigbee adapter, no. Even if it's currently possible to root it and install packages on it, the radio just won't work with any of the current zigbee solutions

If you like the Hue app, you could do something similar to what I have.
Grab a zigbee adapter, set up zigbee2mqtt, pair all your lights and sensors to it. Ditch the Hue hub.
Set up diyHue, have it import lights from zigbee2mqtt. Pair the Hue app on your phone to that.
You lose the Hue "Out of home" remote connectivity from the app, but otherwise it's an identical experience.

[empty igloo]

doesn't HA also have that functionality anyways?

also i don't even use it

[nova flint]

@empty igloo Yeah, it does 🙂 The only reason I've got that set up is because the wife really likes the Hue app. I could easily live without it 😄

[empty igloo]

i meant the out of home function

[nova flint]

Hell, you could even set up scenes on a specified dashboard in HA

Well.. Has -ish. You need to do some port forwarding and DDNS stuff. Or get the nabu casa cloud thingy

[empty igloo]

yeah i got the cloud subscription

[sour shadow]

Then you're sorted

[empty igloo]

biggest issue is the hub isn't even mine

it's my brother's

[sour shadow]

That's ok, we won't tell him anything

[nova flint]

I mean, you won't need it once you get a zigbee adapter and pair all the lights to that (along with the new sensors you'll end up getting).

[empty igloo]

was thinking one of the EFEKTA multisensors

from tindie

not really sure what other sensors to get tbh

[sour shadow]

Really depends on what you're wanting to do

Light: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/GZCGQ01LM.html
Multi sensor (light, motion, temperature): https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/MOSZB-140.html

[nova flint]

There's one sensor that's got the potential to save a lot of money in case of issues: Moisture sensor below water-using machinery (dishwasher, washing machine, etc).

[empty igloo]

any dongles that fit a wifi m.2 socket?

m.2 E key i believe

[jolly narwhal]

No

There is Ethernet ones though

[nova flint]

I mean, there's nRF52840 but neither ZHA nor zigbee2mqtt support it as of now

[jolly narwhal]

Noice

Probably very narrow usecase

[nova flint]

https://wiki.makerdiary.com/nrf52840-m2/ <- This. Even if it doesn't really help since it's not supported 😄

[jolly narwhal]

64Mbit flash

Eeeh

[empty igloo]

and no ETA either i assume

is the reason just "we haven't gotten to it yet" or something?

because this is perfect, i'm running HA on a thinclient that has a free slot for that

also at 15 bucks it's cheap

[nova flint]

More like "It's such a niche product that no-one has it and we can't be arsed to provide support" 😄

[jolly narwhal]

We already have a bunch of great supported products

[nova flint]

^

[empty igloo]

problem is they cost more

then again for a one-time purchase...

[jolly narwhal]

Cost < functionality

[empty igloo]

wouldn't really matter

[jolly narwhal]

A coordinator costs as much as 4 devices in some cases

And some of us have hundreds of devices

[nova flint]

https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/issues/394 <- There's actually an open issue for the nRF board

[austere patio]

We have more than enough radio libraries 😅

[empty igloo]

so i'm not alone in wanting it huh

[nova flint]

😄

[austere patio]

But if you want to implement it (and maintain it), it'd be pretty awesome

The USB version of that module is $10 and is decent for sniffing

[empty igloo]

lol i'm no developer

[austere patio]

But I've not seen much development happening with their Zigbee firmware

[nova flint]

Oh, my coding skillset are pretty firmly in the web-development side of life.

[empty igloo]

then what stick should i get that isn't that expensive?

maybe incorporates LoRa as well? idk if that exists though

[nova flint]

Electrolama zig-a-zig-ah! (zzh!)
Slaesh's CC2652RB stick
Tube's CC2652P2 USB Coordinator

All three are damn good picks 🙂

[austere patio]

CC2652R or a newer Silicon Labs stick

Everything else is "supported" by your integration

[empty igloo]

what's the difference between a router and coordinator?

[rapid skiff]

Small improvements to the HA system, the smart wafer seems to be working for color temp adjustments and brightness in the dashboard. Alexa keeps saying it's unresponsive but still allows for control. I set up a scene in HA with all my lights and was able to import that into Alexa and trigger it with a voice routine.

[nova flint]

Coordinator is what would be responsible for coordinating the devices (the thing you'd connect to your ZHA or zigbee2mqtt instance directly). A router is a device in the zigbee mesh network that takes in messages from nearby devices and sends them onwards (routes them, hopefully towards the coordinator)

[rapid skiff]

I plan on using my CC2531 sticks as routers once my poe coordinator comes in

[nova flint]

@empty igloo So if you're offered a choice between a device flashed as a router or a coordinator, your use-case would need a coordinator.

[empty igloo]

ah gotcha

[rapid skiff]

Right now I have 2 devices on a CC2531 with external antenna and seems to work fine

[empty igloo]

so a router is essentially an "extender"

[nova flint]

Exactly, and might be necessary in a larger house (or one with thick walls) 🙂

I'd need to get one, actually.. Bedroom curtains go unresponsive if someone accidentally flips the damn lightswitch and really turns off the Hue bulbs in the hallway 😄

[scarlet vigil]

Finally ditched my Hue hub and SmartThings. All roads now lead directly to my Home Assistant box!

And holy heck everything is SO much faster!

It was way easier than I expected too. I'd heard people had issues getting the Xiaomi motion sensors connected but they all worked like a dream

[lilac wharf]

you noticed that much of a difference moving away from the hue hub? haven't had any responsiveness issues with mine. it's fully local at least

[rapid skiff]

Z2M is not picking up a sengled RGB bulb, thoughts?

[sour shadow]

it's not in range of the mesh

[rapid skiff]

It's closer than the other stuff

It was previously paired to a sengled hub, which i unplugged

[sour shadow]

Did you reset it?

[rapid skiff]

I believe so, its currently flashing in pair mode

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZBYXKQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/E11-N1EA.html

Oh no I don't think I reset it

10x on off not 5

Popped right up lol

Thank you

The OTA firmware updates are cool

[scarlet vigil]

My main issue was with SmartThings and the sensors connecting back to the hub. Moving Hue over as well means that all my bulbs act as routers so the network is waaayyyy more resilient

[lilac wharf]

yeah, that's understandable regarding smartthings

plus that integration is cloud based anyway

[rapid skiff]

(Anyone use nanoleaf bulbs? https://nanoleaf.me/en-US/products/nanoleaf-essentials/) Nevermind not zigbee by the looks of it

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/A9A19A60WESDZ02.html

These look great, I can get 8 of them for $40

Nevermind, shipping cost is $35

$80, so like $10 a bulb

[austere patio]

They're worth no more than the $5 you pay for them

They run really hot

[rapid skiff]

Reviewed pretty well actually. Just need a tunable white bulb

[austere patio]

And take 15s to turn on from "off" to 1-10% brightness

But their 1% brightness is very dark, they work well for night lighting. I think you'll prolong their life considerably if you run them at max 80% brightness, they otherwise die somewhat frequently for me.

[rapid skiff]

Fair enough. Do you have any recommendations for cheap tunable white bulbs?

[austere patio]

IKEA, but they also run a little hot, especially in enclosed fixtures

[sour shadow]

I've had no issues with my Ikea bulbs... so far anyway

[rapid skiff]

Do they ship?

[tiny umbra]

has anyone noticed any strange behaviour with temperature sensors (zigbee) recently? My sensors are showing a different value to the history/mini graph/apexcharts.

[sour shadow]

Yes, if you have Ikea in your country

[tiny umbra]

all of which are flatlined

other zigbee sensors (door/window) working fine

[sour shadow]

The graphs are taken from HA's history

So, the Zigbee part is irrelevant

[tiny umbra]

my history is working fine for everything else that i checked

its just the temp sensors that are not right (both Sonoff and Aqara)

here's an example https://imgur.com/a/OsSDTzf

tried the usual reboots etc, not sure what else to try.

[rapid skiff]

These? https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tradfri-led-bulb-e26-800-lumen-wireless-dimmable-color-and-white-spectrum-globe-opal-40439169/

[tiny umbra]

now im not 100% sure it isnt the history db

things dont like right, too much big blocks. Anyway this is wrong channel for that...

[rapid skiff]

https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tradfri-led-bulb-e26-806-lumen-wireless-dimmable-warm-white-globe-opal-90457170/

Wait is that variable white? or fixed

[austere patio]

Cheaper one is fixed

[rapid skiff]

So $20 a bulb then

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-Hue-White-Ambiance-A19-75W-Equivalent-Dimmable-LED-Smart-Light-Bulb-563239/316148584

These seem like a better value for $25

The sengled bulb works very well with HA, instant color changing

[analog ember]

I'm trying to completely rebuild my zigbee network from the ground up. Using z2m on a zzh! dongle. Besides removing all the devices from my network. Is there anything else I can do?

[daring aurora]

Any ideas where I should look when I see these errors in herdsman debug logs? Seems that my z2m install is missing knowledge of devices:
2022-01-20T21:16:49.522Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - quirks check for 'undefined'-'undefined'-'Unknown'
2022-01-20T21:16:49.523Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - quirks did not match
2022-01-20T21:16:49.523Z zigbee-herdsman:controller:device:log Interview - node descriptor request failed for ...

[rapid skiff]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/324131092621.html

Anyone have experience using this hue switch?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

I have four or five

Only use one activity though

[daring aurora]

I use 2 of those dimmer switches also, work well

[rapid skiff]

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/philips-hue-white-color-ambiance-a19-led-starter-kit-multicolor/6370363.p?skuId=6370363

I was looking at this kit, might be worth having a hue hub if I get all hue bulbs

Not to use, but as a spare hub

But it's only $30 for the rgb bulbs right now, so that's a $50 switch if I dont use the hub

[jolly narwhal]

No need for a hue hub

If you have ZHA or zigbee2mqtt

The switch can often be had very cheap in my experience

And I have only bad experience with hue bulbs

[rapid skiff]

Yeah not worth it

Oh yeah? Like how

[jolly narwhal]

Out of my 80ish bulbs 5 of them have been hue, two have died so far

No other brands have died over the course of three years

[rapid skiff]

Also looking at these, pretty cheap and the one I have works well

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sengled-smart-bluetooth-mesh-led-multicolor-a19-bulb-4-pack-multicolor/6458706.p?skuId=6458706

[jolly narwhal]

Sengled don't work as routers

Bad choice

[rapid skiff]

Ah right

Well, I will have 2 spare USB routers

[jolly narwhal]

Those also look to be Bluetooth only

The marketing is shit

[rapid skiff]

Lol wow

[daring aurora]

anyone have any ideas?

[analog ember]

I have 2, connected to ZHA. Work absolutely amazing!

I've also had ikea & aqara switches but they all fail sometimes, the hue remote never failed so far (in 2 months)

[jolly narwhal]

I have a dozen or so aqara

Never failed in 3 years

Two ikea ones, one that I seldom use, no issues there either

[analog ember]

Have to say aqara were in margin of error. The ikea remotes almost never worked and dropped of the network because the battery was empty every 2/3 months. But thats just from my experience

[jolly narwhal]

Oh, i have one on off, been running for 2 years non-issue

The round Ikea I seldom use, but it has been in operation for a year now

[analog ember]

That's great! I was not that lucky unfortunatly

[jolly narwhal]

I have a huge mesh though, milage may vary, and there is the bug that @vestal atlas mentioned

[analog ember]

Ahh yea, I don't...

[jolly narwhal]

Routers, routers, routers

More is always better

[analog ember]

Yea I'm going to add more routers in the future probably. But don't know where yet

[rapid skiff]

Are there any other battery powered switches like the hue?

It looks like that's going out of stock

In fact all the hue stuff I was looking at is out of stock

[jolly narwhal]

Aqara and tradfri

[sterile sleet]

my ikea remote is on upgrading since 24h 😂

guess the battery is dead at this point, but it reports 100% upgraded, 3 seconds remaining

(in the z2m ui)

[sour shadow]

I know there is/was a bug like that recently reported in the Z2M Discord

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

Change the state manually in json

I posted it a week back

[sterile sleet]

i rebooted z2m, upgrade still in progress

will look up that change in json part

[jolly narwhal]

Yes it will be

You need to stop z2m

Change the state to idle

And start z2m

[sterile sleet]

state.json this is then

aight, seems upgraded

thx

yep, still works

[jolly narwhal]

Manuel work for you

[sterile sleet]

topkek

[vestal atlas]

I've seen "kek" quite a few times here. Does it still refer for when horde wrote "lol" and alliance saw it as "kek" in WoW? 😁

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

[jolly python]

Also topkek is a brand of turkish muffins

[jolly narwhal]

[onyx adder]

Love the fact, that I enter a room about zigbee, and you guys talk about muffins 😄

[thick plover]

anyone know how to activate the 'last seen' info on z2m?

[rapid skiff]

My hue motion sensor is no longer giving a temp readout, gives "null"

UNSUPPORTED_ATTRIBUTE

Motion part still works perfect though

[sour shadow]

ZHA?

Zigbee2MQTT?

deCONZ Whale?

[rapid skiff]

z2m

I can try resetting it

Also should wait until I get my new coordinator today

Repairing fixed that issue

Good to know you can just give it the same name and HA doesn't notice

Huh, so reading "temperature" in the dev console kills it

[torpid cove]

For zigbee2mqtt, does pairing require better link than regular connection?
I have devices that are not near the adapter.
They work fine but now I changed the zigbee channel, I need to repair them.
Some just won't pair. I wonder if the link is too weak.
There is a sonoff switch that I am able to get it to pair by bringing it near the adapter

It would be a pain if I have to take off every sensor to repair

[ivory hound]

bring the device where the coordinator is should not be an option

because some like aqara once paired to a router they stay with it

you should pair them where they are

[torpid cove]

The aqara sensor just wouldn't pair. I'm not sure why

[ivory hound]

and if coverage is a problemjust add more routers

not enough routers maybe

or

there are 2 more possibility

[rapid skiff]

Speaking of which, I just flashed router firmware onto a CC2531 stick. How do I add this to the network?

[ivory hound]

1. aqara sensor that you have does not pair or the channel you selected

2. the router that have coverage over that sensor does not play well with aqara

[torpid cove]

wait, they don't support all channels from 11-26?

[ivory hound]

not all

[torpid cove]

Where do I find such list? Because they were working in 11. I just switched to 26

[rapid skiff]

So just press the pair button on the board and it pops up in Z2M

[torpid cove]

Just to make sure. You press the pair button on the zigbee devices. Not the 2531 stick.

Before that you have to enable permit join in zigbee2mqtt

[ivory hound]

you don't, i am speaking from some years of experience

[rapid skiff]

No thats what I needed to do, the green light flashed and Z2A accepted it as a router

[torpid cove]

OK that's good to know. I will experiment with it.
I did not know that would be a possibility

[dapper moth]

Ok, so this is kind of weird... I am using ZHA, and the network visualization has a number of endpoints that are just not connected but work perfectly fine. They are all connected directly to the coordinator.

[sour shadow]

That's kinda normal

[dapper moth]

Oh, is it? Well, alrighty, then I won't worry about it.

[tall kelp]

So I hit a power cable today.... Since that very moment none of my zigbee bulbs respond anymore and I can't turn them on or off. What should I do? I just restored a backup from yesterday which didn't solve the problem. My wireless motion sensor is still responding. It's just my zigbee light bulbs

I keep getting "MAC channel access failure" error messages in my zigbee2mqtt log

[austere patio]

If you can receive but cannot transmit and see that error, this is a good sign that you need a USB extension cable and to remove all sources of 2.4GHz interference near the coordinator

[tall kelp]

Nothing has changed to the setup from when it was working earlier today

And I already have a 5 meter extension cable

[austere patio]

Well the radio doesn't lie, it won't transmit because it thinks the channel is too congested

[tall kelp]

Hmm, seems just unplugging the antenna and plugging it back in did the trick. But somehow restarting HA or cutting that from power did not... Well, it works again so I'm happy 🙂

[rapid skiff]

What's the best steps to go from a USB to ethernet coordinator?

[vestal atlas]

depends on the distance between them, if its close you could walk to it. If its further away I'd look into public transportation

are you using zha or z2m?

[rapid skiff]

Z2M

[vestal atlas]

what adapters? If both are cc2652 I think you can just stop z2m, change the config and start it again

[rapid skiff]

I'm trying that right now, just removing the usb config

It killed my docker though lol

[vestal atlas]

did you make the config point to your ethernet adapter?

[rapid skiff]

I did not

I see in the instructions, still need to use the serial config but with the tcp ip

Do I also need to create an entry in the docker too?

[rapid skiff]

I have the following in my yaml

serial:
port: 'tcp://tube_zb_gw_cc2652p2_poe.local:6638'

I'm able to open that in my file explorer and open the web server

[jolly narwhal]

I wouldn't rely on mdns

But eh

It should work though

You don't need to pass anything through in docker, just in Z2M serial point to the tcp socket

[mighty river]

Hello, I'm getting crazy with this. is there a way to force the mesh update of the zigbee network when I phisically move a sensor? I moved a door sensor far from the coordinator and near to a router and it doesn't work anymore (so, it seems that the router doesn't route the sensor's signal). Thanks

(I'm using zha)

[rapid skiff]

Do I need to re-add any devices upgrading from a CC2531 usb to a CC2652?

Just turned them off/on and reconnected

Zigbee has been pretty cool so far

[austere patio]

Usually you have to reset and re-join the device

[rapid skiff]

I can pair more than one cc2531 router right?

I can't get the second router to pair with Z2M

[mighty river]

puddly: reset what ?

what do you mean with "reset"? I do you mean to remove batteries and put batteries again?

[lilac wharf]

unpair the device and re-pair it

[mighty river]

tediore: but how would I pair, if it is far from the coordinator? should I pair it via the router?

[lilac wharf]

when you enable pairing mode, all routers will also participate

[mighty river]

Tediore, if the sensor is near the router and far from the coordinator, I can't pair it via the router. I can only pair it via the coordinator. Then I can't find a way to make the router work as router (it works as device, though)

I'm really getting crazy with this

therefore, if I have the sensor near the router but far from the coordinator, I can't make it work, nor I can know if the router is routing, nor I can update the mesh

[strong narwhal]

If I have a Hue bridge, can I get any Zigbee device and have it connect with HA?

[lilac wharf]

No

@mighty river what sensor is this?

[strong narwhal]

Is there a list anywhere that shows compatible devices that would be recognized by HA?

[lilac wharf]

It's not a matter of HA, it's what the Hue hub supports which is Hue devices and some "Friends of Hue" devices

[strong narwhal]

I thought I read that some Zigbee devices don't need a hub. Did I misunderstand?

[lilac wharf]

Well, and theoretically any Zigbee 3.0 or zigbee light that isn't doing anything weird

[strong narwhal]

Sorry, I'm still new at this

[lilac wharf]

You need something that talks zigbee that isn't vendor-specific

[strong narwhal]

I'm supposed to get two eeros from my ISP next month. Those talk Zigbee, right?

[lilac wharf]

Such as a CC2652-based adapter like the Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 adapter, ZZH, slaesh's stick, etc.

No idea, but they're not going to work in HA

[strong narwhal]

Oh, I did buy a SONOFF Dongle-P Zigbee 3.0 stick

[mighty river]

Tediore, it's a sonoff snzb door sensor. I read someone else who is complaining that it pairs only to coordinator

[lilac wharf]

Yeah, those are junk

[strong narwhal]

So, I plug that into my Pi and then most Zigbee devices will work?

[lilac wharf]

Most likely. You can use that stick with ZHA or zigbee2mqtt

[strong narwhal]

I'm not sure what those two things are. I'm starting off small, so far I only have 4 Hue bulbs and the Google homes and Rokus I already had

[obsidian sandal]

The topic of this channel is:

Zigbee :bee: - please remember to mention whether you're using zha (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha), zigbee2mqtt (https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io), or deCONZ (https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/deconz). If you're using some hub, we probably can't help you though - try the #integrations-archived channel instead.

Looking for devices? See https://zigbee.blakadder.com/ and https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_devices.html.

Wanting advice about what stick? Look in the pinned messages. Just don't buy anything CC2530 or CC2531 based.

Command '.topic' was invoked by: Tediore

[mighty river]

tediore those are junk <--- was this answer about my sonoff sensor?

[strong narwhal]

Oh, helpful bot

[mighty river]

??

[lilac wharf]

Yes

[mighty river]

tediore, so which door sensor could I use, instead, that really pairs with a router?

[austere patio]

Those should join via a router

Or is this some bug specific to the door sensor?

[lilac wharf]

But yeah, unless there's some known issue with that sensor and certain router brands, it should work fine

[strong narwhal]

Are those integrations for HA?

[lilac wharf]

Wouldn't surprise me tbh

[lilac wharf]

Did you check out the links in the bot command above?

[mighty river]

puddly do you mean a ZHA bug?

[strong narwhal]

Yes, reviewing them now.

[lilac wharf]

https://c.tenor.com/kJhT6VC2tzEAAAAM/pings-off-reply-pings-off.gif

[strong narwhal]

Sorry. On other discord servers I'm in they encourage pings and replies.

[austere patio]

The integration has next to 0 control over how the mesh operates. If a device refuses to join via a router, that's usually not a fixable problem.

That being said, why do you think that the device will not join via a router?

Just click the "Add devices" button and every router on the network will permit joins, so you should be able to join your sensor to your mesh from any place that is in range of any router or the coordinator

[mighty river]

puddly, because I made two tests: 1) I tried to pair a sensor far from the coordinator via a (working) router which is near this sensor, and it doesn't pair 2) If I pair the sensor via the coordinator, and then put it far from the coordinator but near a router, the sensor's signals are not detected (then they are not routed)

puddly: note that I use conbeeII, and in the deconz app it seems that there's not a "pair via a router" command

(like zha's one)

[austere patio]

I was just able to join a Sonoff temp sensor to my network and it picked a router instead of the coordinator as its parent

[mighty river]

be back soon, I have to reboot

[mighty river]

I confirm that I don't see any sort of "pair the device via router" command in deconz. Then I suspect that the ZHA one is only a dummy wrap for "pair with coordinator", in case of conbeeII

[austere patio]

No, it definitely does open joins on every router on the network. I've confirmed that myself with the Conbee II specifically.

deCONZ should work the same way

[mighty river]

this is not what I meant. it joins routers (and then it's routed by them) but It can't be paired with them. Therefore you have to wait that the network does re-mesh

[austere patio]

Device joining is mostly independent of the integration and there isn't an explicit "re-mesh" command, the network topology just changes. I suspect your device's battery is either low or it needs to be reset.

[rapid skiff]

Okay I think I know the issue, the coordinator I flashed to a router is still in the MQTT database and won't pair to Z2M. How do I delete it from the MQTT database?

[mighty river]

you are not understanding what I mean. I know there is not an explicit re-mesh. You just have to wait that, after topology changes, routing change too. But in any case, you are forced to pair with a coordinator, and then you can move the sensor far and you have to wait until it is routed by a router (it can take arbitrary time)

this is very clumsy. You are forced to set an initial route to the coordinator, and then, if the topology changes, you have to wait an unpredictable time

[rapid skiff]

QTT publish: topic 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/event', payload '{"data":{"friendly_name":"Coordinator","ieee_address":"0x00124b001cd49c31"},"type":"device_announce"}'

Thats the old coordinator, reflashed to a router

When trying to pair it gives that

[mighty river]

try to pair a device far from the coordinator, even if the device is near a router. You simply can't. You can only pair it to the coordinator. This means that you are forced to start with device --- > coordinator topology, and then you have to wait an unpredictable time if you change the topology

[silk sphinx]

does anyone with osram bulbs have issues with zigbee groups & scene recalls [z2m]?

i have one of those in a group and it seems totally overburdened, not reacting > 50% of the time

[jolly narwhal]

Afaik Osram bulbs are know to be shitty routers

[mighty river]

Is that the old Osram bulbs that they don't support any more ?

[jolly narwhal]

No idea

I've only seen them once in a store, and they were on sale because they were going out of sale

[mighty river]

Lightify that was the name of the platform.

They shut down the cloud backend for that platform back in August.

[jolly narwhal]

So smart+ is the new one?

[mighty river]

I think ledvance is the new brand for Osram smart lights. Maybe there is an explanation why the Old bulbs are not super in a "modern" network.

Why have the LIGHTIFY cloud servers been switched off?

The LIGHTIFY system is meanwhile technically outdated: Its performance (e.g. in respect to reaction times when controlling devices) is significantly lower compared to other systems in the market. Furthermore the implemented ZigBee® standard is not state of the art anymore (ZigBee® Light Link and ZigBee® Home Automation instead of ZigBee® 3.0) which makes it more and more difficult to ensure compatibility to other smart home systems. The needed investments can unfortunately not be made – especially in regard to the divestment of the general lighting end-consumer business in 2016.

[jolly narwhal]

Ledvance appears to just be their brand name for led bulbs

To distinguish it from traditional bulbs

(it became illegal to sell traditional bulbs in Norway in 2009)

[mighty river]

Not sure why you were so quick to do that 🙂 In the country where you produce electricity form falling water sell oil to other countries that does not have water in high places.

[jolly narwhal]

Well, 60+% of all new cars are electric now, 80+% if you count hybrid, and it's been increasing since 2013

We are usually very early

[mighty river]

Yes removal of tax on the electrics help that along quite nice. Here in Denmark EV's have outsold fossils in the last months of 2021 but that is also main due to them removing the 140% registration tax on EV that cost less that 70k ish EUR.

[jolly narwhal]

If you didn't know we are now tearing up / down all copper lines and retiring all landlines

[mighty river]

But they have not removed the 25% VAT on them yet. Probably never going to happen as we don't have enough income form Oil production to fund the missing tax revenue.

Are they actually digging them up

the land lines.

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

They are gonna recycle the copper

[mighty river]

Hopefully they will use the trenches to lay some fiber and big ass electricity cables.

[jolly narwhal]

We already have fiber connectivity to most homes, so that isn't an issue

Last i checked 84% had access to 100Mbit or more, and 98% had access to 50Mbit or more

I've had FTTH since 2004

[mighty river]

Ao next will be to have gigabit to you cabin in the mountains 🙂

[jolly narwhal]

A lot of cabins do

But full 5G coverage will take care of the rest

[mighty river]

Coving all of Norway in 5G will require quite a lot of antennas.

[jolly narwhal]

We have close to 100% coverage of 4G, including 5km out to sea last i checked, give us 2-3 years for 5G

2023 expected coverage

[jolly python]

Sad Deutschland noises

[jolly narwhal]

[cerulean abyss]

What are the routers you are using? Also do other devices (not that door sensor) work when paired away from the controller?

[cerulean abyss]

Not even VOIP landlines?

[cerulean abyss]

And nice. Australia does well in we actually get coverage for 4G & 5G here lol. 3G is being turned off now

[paper steeple]

Hi. I hope this is the proper channel. I seem to have big trouble with ZHA integration breaking every night:
I have been banging my head at this for soem days now. i need help.

Somewhere in december my HA started acting up. I now narrowed it down to ZHA, as reloading this integration fixes things.

Strangely, it always fails at night. Works correctly during the day. I thought backups might be interfering, so i turned backups off for a couple days, but that wasnt it.

SETUP: Synology NAS + docker home assistant, always latest version + tasmotized sonoff zbbridge

some (hopefully) relevant log entries: https://pastebin.com/MHsxWhTt

[jolly narwhal]

VoIP will live on, but it is a 1%< market afaik

[weary hill]

Hi everyone! I have bind my wall switch (ROB_200-007-0) to the onOff of a group of lights. In the bind clusters it also shows “scenes”. Does that mean I can bind it to a groups scene instead? I can’t seem to figure out how that works or where to get some information about it. Can some point me in the right direction? Im using zigbee2mqtt.

[mighty river]

Hello, I need to use a sonoff snzb door sensor far from the conbeeII coordinator, but near a router (a sonoff zbmini).
From what I understand, I have to pair the door sensor near the coordinator ---> then I can put the door sensor far from it (and near the router) ---> then I have to wait some (unpredictable) time until the routes change and the sensor is finally routed by the router to the coordinator. But this would take too much time and it's very uncomfortable for testing my zigbee network, when there are many sensors far from the coordinator. Then I ask: Is this the only way to accomplish what I need? Or is there a shorter way, without waiting the unpredictable time needed to update the routes of the network? Thanks for your reply!

[mighty river]

Hello, I've Bought a gateway ( Zigbee Gateway SS-ZI100(TYGWZW-02N) was cheaper than a Power Plug) to try to extent the Zigbee network. the device is Zigbee 3.0 but I'm not capable of pairing with HomeAssistant ZHA. Anyone had issues with this device or know if is incompatible with ZHA ?

Thanks

[thick plover]

anyone know how to activate the 'last seen' info on z2m?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

Enable it in the config

#zigbee-archived message

[mighty river]

Has anyone tried to backup a ZHA network and restore it on z2m ?

[jolly narwhal]

I believe @austere patio has mentioned the procedure quite a few times

[thick plover]

ISO accreditation?

🤣

[fast talon]

Are there any cheaper Zigbee based light switches. I see ones for like 20-50 dollars per switch which is just absurd imo. Wifi switches are much much cheaper

[cerulean abyss]

Does the router work for other sensors or zigbee items?

[lime locust]

wooow OTA update taking 30 mins+

[violet dagger]

Only?

[jolly narwhal]

Usually takes 60-70 minutes for battery stuff

15-30 for mains powered

Took 20 minutes for the neighbours kitchen lights, from my mesh

Anyone used these ones? Tuya..... But ZigBee right

NOK 91.83 33%OFF | Tuya Smart Zigbee 3.0 Power Plug 16A EU Outlet 3680W Meter Remote Control Work With Alexa And Tuya Hub
https://a.aliexpress.com/_msDH8x6

[cerulean abyss]

Well I hope their marketing is right. If a plug isn’t easy install then that’s bad

[jolly narwhal]

You seem to overestimate a regular user

Have you seen the guys over in #330944238910963714

[cerulean abyss]

I feel most users know how to plug into a socket. Even if they may forget

[jolly narwhal]

[cerulean abyss]

Okay fair point

[mighty river]

I can't test this. I only have one sensor and one router

[jolly python]

they look interessting, they should also have power measurement right

[mighty river]

Hello, I need to use a sonoff snzb door sensor far from the conbeeII coordinator, but near a router (a sonoff zbmini).
From what I understand, I have to pair the door sensor near the coordinator ---> then I can put the door sensor far from it (and near the router) ---> then I have to wait some (unpredictable) time until the routes change and the sensor is finally routed by the router to the coordinator. But this would take too much time and it's very uncomfortable for testing my zigbee network, when there are many sensors far from the coordinator. Then I ask: Is this the only way to accomplish what I need? Or is there a shorter way, without waiting the unpredictable time needed to update the routes of the network? Thanks for your reply!

[jolly python]

https://forum.phoscon.de/t/new-tuya-smart-plug-nas-wr01b-or-tz3000-w0qqde0g/819

is their firmware updateable through zha?

[raven jewel]

You should pair your devices where they will be

[mighty river]

I can't do this, because they are far from the coordinator

[raven jewel]

Then how will they communicate with it? They can pair via a router.

[jolly narwhal]

Then you need more routers

Or use something else

[mighty river]

are you sure they can pair via a router? there's not such option in deconz. And in home assistant, with ZHA I can't succeed in pairing them via a router (I can only pair them via the coordinator)

[jolly narwhal]

I don't buy sonoff

But they should

[mighty river]

this doesn't answer to my question

[mighty river]

how do you check your sensors are talking with the router, instead of talking directly to the coordinator?

[jolly python]

@jolly narwhal do you have a tuya gateway to ota update this tuya stuff?

[jolly narwhal]

The ZigBee map for one

[jolly narwhal]

Nope

[jolly python]

Maybe its worth to buy one and test if it has already the newer firmware

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

[jolly python]

is it safe to pay with credit card at aliexpress?

[ivory hound]

lol wrong question for a lot of reasons

we could troll you but then you would hold a grouch

let's just say is as safe as you would make it to be

some sellers are ok some not

[jolly python]

no problem, i will validate the information any way through other sources

[ivory hound]

that's all we can all do

gl

[full acorn]

Hi, I am new and I have a question: I have a raspberry Pi and mosquitto + zigbee are working. I have a zigbee remote, a zigbee light and some other lights (no zigbee, for example shelly or wifiLED). Is it possible to control the shelly device with the zigbee remote?

[ivory hound]

trough home assistant yes

trough automation

[jolly narwhal]

I have paid over a thousand orders on AliExpress

With credit card

[full acorn]

@ HellCry: do you know how or do you have a tutorial?

[jolly python]

Nice to hear

[nova flint]

That really comes down to "Has someone made a quirk that works with the specific manufacturer string of the device yet" 😄 Tuya is hit&miss even if the device itself (model name) is listed as supported 😄 Each device seems to have like a dozen different "manufacturer" codes, and while most really are supported.. Maybe you got "lucky" and got the single version that's not yet added to the quirks 😄

[full acorn]

automation runs. Thank you

[lyric mortar]

My hue bulbs are all connected to a broken bridge and I don’t have the dimmer switch. Does anyone have a good resource for resetting with Touchlink/deconz? I’m using a Conbee 2

[modest oar]

Are tuya devices any good? I have 3 plugs.. 1 of those I started using 2 days ago and now the plug only turns on/off its led and not the plug itself when controlled with zigbee or manually pushed.. Common with this "brand"?

[raven jewel]

It depends, my experience with their Zigbee stuff has been fine—but I'm also using Zigbee2MQTT which might be helping matters

[lilac wharf]

I'd say avoid Tuya unless you really have no other choice

[supple torrent]

Hey, I have a new zigbee switch in the house, it's one of those that only get battery as an entity. So I have now managed to log the zha_event and have gotten the data for the 8 possible events this switch can trigger. (Switch is a namron switch, which is not that well known internationally I think)

How do I proceed based on the data I now have?

[sour shadow]

Use that information in an event trigger in an #automations-archived ?

[supple torrent]

Is there any way to make the different buttons an entity?

Or utilize blueprints or something? 🤔

[sour shadow]

Sure, you can create a trigger based template sensor

[supple torrent]

Tnx! Will look into it

[mighty river]

hi all, please have a look at this picture: https://ibb.co/sK9y1Q4 . It's the zigbee map of one router (sonoff zbmni) and the coordinator (conbeeII). The router is very near the coordinator, and I can turn on/off it, but the link between the two nodes is yellow and it seems weak (stronger linking is green). Do you think it's normal? I use an extension cable. In addition, I have chosen channel 25 as the zigbee channel (so, no interference with my wifi internet stuff). In addition, if I pair a door sensor near the coordinator as well, I can see strong signal (green). I also tried to pair another zbmini near the coordinator, and the signal is weak like the previous one...

[cerulean abyss]

Remember if the money goes walkabout a credit card let’s you chargeback. But I’ve found AliExpress themselves to be reasonably decent, it’s basically a Chinese eBay, you risk getting nothing

[cerulean abyss]

To really see whether it’s your devices or deconz acting up you should get another plug in device (eg ikea tradfri bulb) which does act as a router, and maybe an IKEA button (or similar) which are known to work

If you think it’s deconz there’s also nothing stopping you from using Z2Mqtt either

[mighty river]

thanks for your suggestion. which IKEA button, exactly?

[cerulean abyss]

Any of the IKEA smart range. Think pretty much everything there is zigbee (basically anything designed to work with their tradfri hub means zigbee)

[mighty river]

someone says that "lights" are not good routers. But what is a "light" exactly? I paired my sonoff ZBMINI as light, with deconz, but I don't understand if it is better meant as a "switch"

[cerulean abyss]

A light is a globe. Something that goes in a light fitting. The ikea tradfri globes work well as routers

[violet dagger]

that someone lied

[mighty river]

do you mean that IKEA tradfri are known to well work with ConbeeII ?

[cerulean abyss]

They’ve worked well for me. But I’ve since swapped away from the conbee. The stick shouldn’t make a difference on how they route, however the stick can fail at actually talking to things generally

[mighty river]

which stick do you use currently?

[cerulean abyss]

One of tubes Ethernet based ones

[mighty river]

I see, so you avoid USB stuff with related problems, right?

[cerulean abyss]

I wouldn’t mind using usb, I just wanted something that didn’t require usb. Personal choice

[mighty river]

but can you suggest a specific model of ethernet based sigbee coordinator?

[cerulean abyss]

Tubes stuff

[mighty river]

and you flashed it with tasmota, right?

[cerulean abyss]

I used whatever firmware works for it. I don’t think it’s tasmota

Then used zigbee2mqtt to add stuff

Could’ve used ZHA too

[mighty river]

so no need to reflash it

[cerulean abyss]

No it comes perfectly ready to go. You can update the firmware on it if you wish though

[mighty river]

I'm googling but can't find any tube Ethernet Zigbee Bridge

[obsidian sandal]

@true pivot There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '~zigbee' was invoked by: calmelb

[mighty river]

to buy

[cerulean abyss]

Whoops wrong one

[obsidian sandal]

@true pivot Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '~pickyourstick' was invoked by: calmelb

[cerulean abyss]

That one

[mighty river]

thanks, I'll surely buy it

[cerulean abyss]

Got an idea of what system to run for it? ZHA or zigbee2mqtt?

[mighty river]

I tried both with deconz, so no problem to use with other stuff

[cerulean abyss]

Deconz can’t be used with anything other than the conbee

[mighty river]

sorry, I meant: I tried both with conbeeII

[cerulean abyss]

So which one will you go for

Since you can only run one

And it’s a pain to swap between them

[mighty river]

II don't have to swap, I'm starting from scratch. I would try zha as default

I still wonder, anyway, if the low value of LQI for the ZBMINI is reasonable, even if it is near the coordinator

[cerulean abyss]

I’m saying it’s hard to swap from ZHA to Z2MQTT in the future

Also LQI isn’t always accurate, can’t always trust it

[mighty river]

but I don't have to swap in future

if I have problems I would rebuild the network

and HA from scratch

[cerulean abyss]

Just checking

[mighty river]

thanks for the tip

now, given that the LQI can be not accurate, if the router works, and I have a door sensor far from the coordinator, but near a router which is reachable, when I try to pair the door sensor, does it use the router automatically for pairing to the coordinator?

[violet dagger]

LQI is a scam

Depends on the sensor

Xiaomi likes to go to the coordinator

[mighty river]

blakadder: it is a sonoff SNZB-04 door sensor

I suspect it likes to go to the coordinator: so, how can I make it work FAR from the coordinator?

[violet dagger]

You suspect or you know?

Doesn't deconz do mapping of your network?

[mighty river]

I show you the test I made, wait a second

[mighty river]

https://forum.phoscon.de/t/problem-with-a-sensor-far-from-the-coordinator-and-near-to-a-router/1460/2

I'm getting crazy with this

[cerulean abyss]

Have you tried using zigbee2mqtt with the conbee

[mighty river]

why would it change the result?

[cerulean abyss]

Worth seeing if it’s deconz being painful since it can sometimes not support everything properly

[mighty river]

I tried with ZHA, and it doesn't work as well. But I don't understand the exact procedure I have to do. Do I have to try to pair the sensor while it's in its definitive position = far from the coordinator ?

[cerulean abyss]

Yes so if the router is properly paired and showing then you should be able to pair the sensor away

[mighty river]

ok, that's what I tried with ZHA and it did not work, as well as deconz.

[violet dagger]

Always pair in place

If you cannot it is not the place

[mighty river]

do you mean: pair in its final place?

[violet dagger]

I don't know if it would be it's final place but the place you intend to keep it at in operation

[mighty river]

ok, all clear, thanks for your support. There's only one thing that I don't understand: with ZHA i can pair the sensor VIA the router, or I can pair it without specifying through what. But in deconz, I can't see "pair via router" option. How this could be explained?

in deconz I only have the button for pairing the device. Nothing else is specified

[cerulean abyss]

Deconz may well be doing all

That’s why I recommended Z2Mqtt just to see a bit more detail

[mighty river]

do you mean z2mqtt's log?

[cerulean abyss]

Well you could see that. Even just to see whether it’s trying to talk

[mighty river]

in the z2mqtt log can I see if the sensor is doing a scan in order to find the closer node to talk with?

[crimson raft]

hi, quick question, can zigbee devices pair with coordinator if it does not reach it directly but instead through another zigbee device/router? I'd expect they do but I have zigbee2mqtt with conbee that has zbmini connected to it, and other zbmini's that are 5-6m+ceiling away from connected zbmini and they wouldn't pair with z2m..

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

That is how the mesh works

You don't want a lot of direct children

Sonoff is.... Eh

[crimson raft]

thx, anything you would prefer over sonof for wall switch in eu?

[jolly narwhal]

I don't use wall switches at all

So I'm not the right person to ask

I do smart bulbs and smart outlets

And door and motion sensors

[jolly python]

I have hue wall switch modules. Up to now i am in the direct hue universe with the hue bridge, but i am about to switch to a zigbee coordinator. In the hue universe i had no problems with them, working 100% of the time.

The cool thing is, they integrate fully in your switch and power outlet etc. design. The downside is, if you dont have any hard wired switch to the lights anymore, you need to have a strategy what do when your home automation system is out of order.

[jolly narwhal]

Is it ever out of order?

I've smartified my lights 3 years ago

Except for whenever I'm doing upgrades, they just work

The only thing you have to consider is the power state you want to use, in case the power blips in the middle of the night you want your bedroom lights to not turn on at 100%

[jolly python]

Maybe if your zigbee coordinator turns to smoke or home assistant server etc

[bronze apex]

I got an aqara door sensor (4 to be honest haha) how in HA do I make it display Open/Closed rather than On/Off?

[jolly narwhal]

That is why I run #449717345808547842 i can move it to any system in my house, including my laptop in 30 seconds, and i have multiple coordinators

[jolly narwhal]

Device_class ? But does it really matter?

[bronze apex]

Device class is set as door, suppose it doesn't really matter too much, would just be nice to have nicer names rather than on/off which can be confusing to think about first glance

[jolly narwhal]

I don't think I've changed them, i just automate based on to: "on" and similar

[bronze apex]

That's fine, I can do the same easy enough

[tepid gulch]

Hello all

I lost my Zigbee device last night for a period of time (from 0:18 to 9:40), any idea of ​​the origin of this disconnection?

I sleep during this time :), others device still runing during this period.

others device isn't zigbee

[jolly narwhal]

You lost what exactly?

[tepid gulch]

https://snipboard.io/k95CoI.jpg

This sensor (I have only one ZigBee device) don't send power

[cerulean abyss]

Anything in logs

[tepid gulch]

nothing around this time

https://pastebin.com/AwQxCPiQ

and nothing about zigbee

[cerulean abyss]

Well that log starts at 9:16 and your issue stopped at 9:40, the 12:18log would be better

Also what zigbee software do you use

[tepid gulch]

I use ZHA

[spark summit]

Hey all. Does anybody use the Eurotronics SPZB0001 TRV and can tell me how I can use the window-open-detection? Right now, when I open the window, the temperature drops by 1-2 degrees but it doesn't seem to trigger the window-detection.

[tepid gulch]

the bug is between 01/23 at 0:18 to 9:40, the log is from 01/22 9:00 to 01/23 10:00

[jolly narwhal]

With only a single battery powered device

You are going to have a horrible experience

ZigBee makes no sense in this scenario

[tepid gulch]

No battery, it's powered by grid

I have only one because it's a test (not realy concluant today 😉 )

the background of my home is in KNX

I will add some accessoiries fonction like power measurement with zigbee

[cerulean abyss]

What is the device

[tepid gulch]

TS011F
par _TZ3000_ew3ldmgx

[jolly narwhal]

So tuya, not great

[tepid gulch]

somebody say that my LQI is to low

LQI: 18

[jolly narwhal]

This is why we have an abundance of routers

But lqi is just indicative

[tepid gulch]

my problem is the distance between the coordinator

and other plug possible

I think now is the nearess I can do

[jolly narwhal]

If that is true you need to consider cabled options

Albeit unlikely that you don't have a single socket / bulb location between two locations

Unless it is another house, across the street

[cerulean abyss]

If you have neighbours using 2.4ghz wifi that combined with distance may not help

[tepid gulch]

I have 2 or 3 wifi router in 2.4Ghz

2 nears the coordinateur

on at 4m but outdoor, and one a 1m

indoor

[cerulean abyss]

Zigbee also uses 2.4Ghz so susceptible to interference

[tepid gulch]

maybe it's the problem

[jolly narwhal]

It's one of multiple you have

[tepid gulch]

I have reduce the power of the nearest router

limit to shutoff (1dBm) see if it's more stable 🙂

[cerulean abyss]

Or change channels

Set it so your routers don’t use the same channel that zigbee is using

[tepid gulch]

how I can know?

[cerulean abyss]

https://www.metageek.com/training/resources/zigbee-wifi-coexistence/

[tepid gulch]

how to know wath ZHA channel is in use?

[cerulean abyss]

Best to read the docs https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#defining-zigbee-channel-to-use

[torpid cove]

trying to separate HA & zigbee2mqtt

I get the zigbee device to show up as mqtt

[tepid gulch]

If I change zigbee channel I will repair?

[torpid cove]

It shows the entities as MQTT info
but I can't get them to work as HA entities?

[tepid gulch]

not 🙂

sorry I answer to me

[torpid cove]

They shows as HA entities too but says unavailable

I'm not sure where I did wrong

[cerulean abyss]

Yes

[cerulean abyss]

Can the Z2Mqtt device connect to the broker alright?

[tepid gulch]

I have change it to 11 and restart HA, but all works without repair

[cerulean abyss]

Or can you control it through z2mqtt

[cerulean abyss]

You got lucky

[torpid cove]

I believe they are connected.
I can control thru z2m.

[cerulean abyss]

Then check the network connection between the two. Sounds like it’s the mqtt connection that having issues

[torpid cove]

the 2 means? HA & z2m?

[cerulean abyss]

Yes

Z2Mqtt is meant to talk to HA

You can check the mqtt broker itself and see what messages are coming/ going

If it’s not receiving anything from Z2M I would check your login details

And server details

[torpid cove]

It does show the device status on HA

[cerulean abyss]

Does it show the device updating though

[torpid cove]

I can see the MQTT payload/topics
2 most recently received message(s)

Received 11:16:40 AM

QoS: 0
Payload:

linkquality: 32
state: 'OFF'

I also see them as HA entities but they show as unavailable

[cerulean abyss]

And what happens if you toggle that device on? Will it update?

[torpid cove]

I can toggle from z2mqtt.

Received 11:24:22 AM

QoS: 0
Payload:

linkquality: 14
state: 'ON'

[cerulean abyss]

Can HA talk to the broker?

[torpid cove]

I believe it can.
Previously if I had the wrong address for broker, it errors in log.
it doesn't show any error now in log.
Also that's the only way HA see my device info right?

[cerulean abyss]

Yes. If the mqtt isn’t being read by HA then it has no clue

I would read mqtt from HA and see what it can show

[torpid cove]

2022-01-23 11:37:04 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Subscribing to zigbee2mqtt/bridge/state, mid: 6
2022-01-23 11:37:04 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on zigbee2mqtt/bridge/state (retained): b'offline'
2022-01-23 11:37:04 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Subscribing to zigbee2mqtt/0x00124b001e7319d9, mid: 7
2022-01-23 11:37:04 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Subscribing to zigbee2mqtt/0x00124b001e7319d9, mid: 8
2022-01-23 11:37:20 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Transmitting message on homeassistant/status: 'online', mid: 9
2022-01-23 11:37:49 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on zigbee2mqtt/0x00124b001e7319d9: b'{"linkquality":3,"state":"OFF"}'
2022-01-23 11:41:40 DEBUG (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.mqtt] Received message on zigbee2mqtt/0x00124b001e7319d9: b'{"linkquality":7,"state":"OFF"}'

hmm maybe the topic aren't right

[torpid cove]

well, seems to be working after i restart z2m

i don't even

[split vault]

Hey after the last update all my Zigbee device groups are "unavailable"

Did they deprecate the groups in ZHA? I don't even see the screen for the groups anymore in the UI

My solution for now is to redo all of the ZHA groups as Homeassistant light groups, but I really wish the removal of this feature had been in the release notes.

Actually now I'm having an issue where the homeassistant group can't have the same entity id, because apparently the group is defined, but it's conflicting 😦

[tropic depot]

Groups are still there

[split vault]

huh, I don't see them in the UI

[tropic depot]

where are you looking?

[split vault]

it used to be on the conbee device

as one of the tabs

Did they just move somewhere?

[tropic depot]

there are no tabs on the device screens

[split vault]

Oh, they are in the integration

huh, I see it now

after I restarted

[tropic depot]

yes, always have been

[split vault]

okay well then the problem is the group is unavailable, let me restart and check it again

[tropic depot]

Make sure all the members are still part of the group

[split vault]

Maybe the problem was an intermittent one

[tropic depot]

there is a fix for members vanishing from groups in the next HA release

[split vault]

I'm not sure when the groups stopped being available, I only noticed it last night and didn't have time to figure out what was going on

Ah

so maybe my individual bulbs went missing from the group

I'll check once this finishes restarting

[tropic depot]

Most likely

[split vault]

so after reboot ONE of the two bulbs is missing

do they randomly leave the group? is that the bug?

or is it only something that happens after an upgrade

[tropic depot]

Yes

Its fixed in dev and will be in the beta this week for HA

[split vault]

I need to get faster hardware, I get tired of waiting for how long this takes to reboot LOL

Pi4 with 8GB and I'm impatient

Huh, I think I found another group related bug maybe.. or I don't know how this is supposed to work. If I add one of my ZHA groups to an automation, it adds ALL my group devices

like i added my office track lights to an automation, and it added the conbee II, which makes all of the groups show up

I really think I'm gonna go back to HA groups until this gets resolved

I think I switched recently because I was told Zigbee groups would be faster

Luckily I have the HA groups still in my YAML file commented out

[tropic depot]

thats an issue w/ what HA does in the UI

I have an RFC open for it

[split vault]

Huh, weird, it's almost as though ZHA is holding on to the entity names, even tho I deleted the groups, because I added back my HA groups and I'm still getting the entity_id conflict

[tropic depot]

it shouldn't be

[split vault]

hrm

This entity ('light.office_track_light') does not have a unique ID, therefore its settings cannot be managed from the UI

I'm getting that now Hrm

wait maybe this is just because it's in a yaml file

that message is confusing if so

I remember how why I switched 😛 It's because I wanted to use a custom icon for the group and HA light groups don't support custom icons

[tropic depot]

lol

[split vault]

which honestly they should.

often you are making a light group because you have multiple bulbs in a fixture.

[sour shadow]

Can you change the icon in the frontend, just define it in the card

[split vault]

Yeah, but I just want to have it be the entity icon so it shows up everywhere the same way

it's not a huge deal but it's also silly you can't do it with the light group integration

the regular group one can do it

[sour shadow]

It just needs some developer to add that feature

Like everything in HA, if nobody wants to do it, it doesn't get done

[split vault]

I know python, I'm just not familiar enough with HA's codebase to figure out how to add it

I did find where it's hard coded. https://github.com/home-assistant/core/blob/dev/homeassistant/components/group/light.py#L114

[tropic depot]

did you try defining a unique_id in the yaml for the HA group?

[split vault]

Well I thought I knew python 😛 this is very strange, this class takes two arguments and it's being called with three....

[tropic depot]

i don't use them but that's what the error you posted was complaining about

[split vault]

yeah, I gotcha, maybe I can specify the entity_id.. let me check the docs

[tropic depot]

any unique string should work

[split vault]

unique_id

Woah that totally does it

and now I can at least set a custom icon in the UI

although it's weird you can't do that in the YAML

[sour shadow]

It's not even an error, it's just a message

[tropic depot]

yeah that's what I meant

[split vault]

yeah but the wording of it made me think it was because of a conflict with the id and some other entity

I can see some better wording making that more clear

[tropic depot]

I don't see how

it's fairly clear

[split vault]

Like a suggestion "you should make sure you define a unique id in your configuration" or something

Words are hard

[tropic depot]

i guess they could change unique ID to unique_id

[split vault]

I mean if it knew it could really tell you exactly what to do

[tropic depot]

and be explicit about the field

[split vault]

or the light group schema could REQUIRE unique_id

that would avoid the entire issue

[tropic depot]

but it isn't required

[split vault]

yeah I know

but maybe it should be?

[tropic depot]

it's only required to manage it from the UI

anyway none of this is zigbee specific 🙂

[split vault]

Yeah sorry it started off that way because of the ZHA group bug 🙂

[tropic depot]

all good. Glad you're set now

[split vault]

but thanks for the help, you all are awsome 🙂

I guess the docs could also be a little better with regard to the unique_id. I'll probably send some documentation feedback

it didn't help that the docs said this: An ID that uniquely identifies this light group. If two lights have the same unique ID, Home Assistant will raise an error.

LOL

[upbeat pecan]

I just got an Ikea motion sensor that I integrated directly into ZHA. However its status is either "closed" or "open". Is there a way for me to change it to on/off instead? I think it's because it's "device_class" is listed as "opening" instead of "motion" for some weird reason.

[sour shadow]

Look in -> States

Because it has that device class the UI gives you pretty words in your language

The actual states don't change

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/binary_sensor#device-class

[upbeat pecan]

Yeah, the state is on/off in Developer Tools, but I would like for it to actually say "on/off" in the UI instead of "open/closed" because it makes no sense for a motion sensor

[molten linden]

you can change the device type via a zha config option in yaml as well:

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#modifying-the-device-type

the device is presenting itself that way. use the above config to over-ride it

[upbeat pecan]

That looks promising, thanks!

[tropic depot]

you can use customize too

[upbeat pecan]

Am I doing something wrong? I'm getting an error that my config is invalid but it looks right to me.

zha:
device_config:
84:fd:27:ff:fe:a4:ff:74-1
type: "motion"