#zigbee-archived | Home Assistant | Page 169

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:35 AM

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you can use docker-compose

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thats pretty much the same

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:35 AM

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That's why I am just scratching my head around it ...

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:35 AM

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but it can be any directory

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not specific location

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:36 AM

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root@HomeAssistant01:~# ls -l /var/lib/docker/
buildkit/ containers/ image/ network/ overlay2/ plugins/ runtimes/ swarm/ tmp/ trust/ volumes/

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:36 AM

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but what do you want to do there

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:36 AM

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So all of this does chgrp? chgrp -R docker /var/lib/docker/ ?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:36 AM

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We don't care where you store the config files or the persistent files

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But that isn't a great place

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/docker is quite common

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:37 AM

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So /var/lib/docker/ stays as root?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:37 AM

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That is probably the default location for the ephemeral data

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So we won't care much

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:39 AM

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but for what you are doing

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docker will handle all of your things

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you only want home assistant right?

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apt-get install
jq
wget
curl
udisks2
libglib2.0-bin
network-manager
dbus -y

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:40 AM

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Well I think I need Home Assistant Container

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But then I shouldn't use addons at all, correct ?

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I have to manually install the different containers

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:40 AM

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Correct

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We don't use add-ons

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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wget https://github.com/home-assistant/supervised-installer/releases/latest/download/homeassistant-supervised.deb
wget https://github.com/home-assistant/os-agent/releases/download/1.2.2/os-agent_1.2.2_linux_armv7.deb
apt-get install gdebi-core
gdebi os-agent_1.2.2_linux_armv7.deb
gdebi homeassistant-supervised.deb

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done

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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Yeah don't install home assistant supervised

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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I'll need to get the armv8

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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Noone should be running home assistant supervised

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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that is home assistant supervised

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why not?

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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Ehm ... Now I'm getting confused ...

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:41 AM

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lilac parcel I'll need to get the armv8

this one is okay

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there is not yet a v8 version available

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:42 AM

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Are either of you docker and Linux experts and are intending to follow the ADR ? I'm guessing no

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#449717345808547842 if you want manageable containers

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:42 AM

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he does not want that

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:42 AM

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#330990055533576204 if you need add-ons

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:43 AM

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controlling your own system thats what he wants, no weird shell, just bash

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and yes i am

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:43 AM

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Then he wants #449717345808547842

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:43 AM

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jolly narwhal Are either of you docker and Linux experts and are intending to follow the ADR ?...

Not Docker expert at all, but I should be able to handle Linux

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:44 AM

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jolly narwhal Then he wants <#449717345808547842>

Pretty sure that's what I installed before. And now half the iinstallation is broken -_-

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:44 AM

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#330944238910963714 should have been killed years ago, the userbase is mostly people who have no idea what they are doing

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:44 AM

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dont know the different from homeassistant container and this methode, because its also a docker container

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:45 AM

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lilac parcel Pretty sure that's what I installed before. And now half the iinstallation is br...

If this is your installation method it is easily migrated and restored

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:45 AM

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Well I think @jolly narwhal is right here

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Home Assistant offers four different installation methods. We recommend using one of the following two methods:

Home Assistant Operating System: Minimal Operating System optimized to power Home Assistant. It comes with Supervisor to manage Home Assistant Core and Add-ons. Recommended installation method.
Home Assistant Container: Standalone container-based installation of Home Assistant Core (e.g. Docker).

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:46 AM

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Yes

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#551864459891703809 is also fine, if you are an old Unix fart and enjoy python venv upgrades

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:48 AM

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No thanks :D. I really have mixed feelings about recent technologies. Like venv/snap/etc yes you get the right version, but it's duplicated libs. Probably better just docker/lxc at that point

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:48 AM

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If you want freedom / want to learn anything, run #449717345808547842

If you want to be locked down to only available add-ons and don't want to learn anything run #330990055533576204

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If you hear about anyone running #330944238910963714 please report them to the appropriate authorities

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They might need help

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:49 AM

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🙂

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I'm still not sure what I am running in my old installation

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since the supervised package wasn't found by dpkg in the system

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So it's probably container and maybe a bit of OS

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😄

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:50 AM

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It would be easy to tell by doing a docker ps if anything returns supervisor in the name you are running #330944238910963714

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If you have no supervisor containers you are running #449717345808547842

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:51 AM

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9960ba8f1f18 homeassistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor "/init" 2 weeks ago Up 2 hours

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That was from yesterday shell

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So yes it was supervisor after all

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:51 AM

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Yes

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So horrible

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:52 AM

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why do they have it out there if it is so horrible

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:52 AM

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So what advantages does it have ? Installing addons that in the end they don't work ?

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:52 AM

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they work

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:52 AM

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It was probably intended for developers initially

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But the moment you install a container that isn't installed by the supervisor

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You are unsupported

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The moment you run anything else than Debian, you are unsupported

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Etc etc

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Read the ADR

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 AM

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indeed, i migrated from ubuntu server to debian because of this warning

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 AM

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docker run -d
--name homeassistant
--privileged
--restart=unless-stopped
-e TZ=MY_TIME_ZONE
-v /docker/homeassistant:/config
--network=host
ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 AM

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unless-stopped should be restart-always

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 AM

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Does /docker/homeassistant look OK as a value for /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG ?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:54 AM

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quaint belfry unless-stopped should be restart-always

Doesn't have to be

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:54 AM

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lilac parcel Does /docker/homeassistant look OK as a value for /PATH_TO_YOUR_CONFIG ?

Yes

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:54 AM

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have had problems with not coming up containers after reboot by the system

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:54 AM

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jolly narwhal Doesn't have to be

Because then you have no way of intentiionally stopping it ?

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:54 AM

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yeah you do

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yust do a docker stop command

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:55 AM

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Wouldn't it restart automatically then ?

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:55 AM

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so restart = always

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no

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but after a normal shutdown it will restart on boot

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so the desired outcome is the same

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but it is more stable

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:56 AM

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I'll also have to do ZFS mirror storage for some data and graphana/influxDB at some point. I couldn't get raspbian to do ZFS on root though

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So right now I'm still on microSD :/

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:57 AM

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its a bit much for a raspberry?

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:58 AM

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You think so ?

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I can also just take a quad core 32GB host x86_64 running proxmox and do a VM there

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I heard the advantage was lower power if/when the system was going down

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 9:59 AM

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thats what i am doing

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 9:59 AM

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But Proxmox integrated ZFS would probably be much easier

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So Proxmox -> KVM ~ 32GB -> Docker ?

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:00 AM

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proxmox > debianVm > docker > homeassistant_container from what I understand what atxbyea said

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:01 AM

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Yep

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:01 AM

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usb with zigbee coordinator

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:01 AM

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I'll probably wait for the Tube and then use ethernet for it

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😄

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:01 AM

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tube?

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:02 AM

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Tube coordinator, just ordered yesterday

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https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/1

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:02 AM

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ah check

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well pass it trough in proxmox

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:03 AM

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First I have to wait like 1 month for it to arrive 😦

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:03 AM

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check name of device in /dev

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pff

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thats a long wait

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plenty of time getting to know docker 😉

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:03 AM

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Pfff

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You know somehow I wanted to also go ahead with renovations

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I still have house full of boxes

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-_-

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But it's not really the best weather for outdoor work

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:04 AM

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ha oke

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well take it easy

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:05 AM

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But question is whether 32GB is enough for switching a few lights and store telemetric data 🙂

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:05 AM

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ha yeah

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have mine at 32 gb

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:05 AM

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Otherwise might as well get a second hand xeon E22xx, supermicro X11/X12 and 128GB of RAM

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:05 AM

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if your making backups, just download them localy and remove them from the vm

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:05 AM

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For a low power system 😄

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:06 AM

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oh you mean 32gb RAM?

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:06 AM

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each stick

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I'm still at DDR3 so 32GB total is max for unbuffered 4x

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But DDR4 you have 32GB sticks

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:06 AM

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dude

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you can run it on a raspberry pi 3

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so yeah, i was talking about storage

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:07 AM

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Ah

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I was pretty sure you were talking about RAM

vestal atlas Jan 1, 2022, 10:07 AM

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probably fine on a raspberry pi 1 even 😅

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:08 AM

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in my screenshot i send yesterday, you could see i ws using 2.7gb RAM and only had 2 cores

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it runs like a charm

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:08 AM

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Even once you integrate stuff like graphana and influxdb for data retention ?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:08 AM

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That isn't part of ha

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Unless you are running #330990055533576204

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I run most of my integration software on other hosts than the one that runs ha

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:09 AM

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No indeed, these are these devil plugins that I iinstalled in supervised 👿

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:09 AM

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haha

vestal atlas Jan 1, 2022, 10:09 AM

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oh, assumed z2m for some reason. Yeah then raspberry pi 3 or higher 😅

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 AM

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well databases are a bit more heavy, but for that few lights you turn on and off it does not really mather

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 AM

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No but energy monitoring for instance it is

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 AM

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one every minute?

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a integer?

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 AM

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Although I have an issue with Eastron SDM630 and technical support there and bg-etech never replies

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 AM

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quaint belfry one every minute?

Still to be done ...

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There are so many things that need to be implemented

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:14 AM

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well thats not gonna spike your resources i guess

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:14 AM

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I don't know

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Once I played around with MySQL and got to a 1TB database

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At that point it was VERY intensive on CPU and RAM

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But alright it was back in the days

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Probably noSQL databases are better 😄

quaint belfry Jan 1, 2022, 10:19 AM

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for what you want its okay

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if you tring to get your log into a database.... it is a bit much indeed

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 10:24 AM

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But now I'm once again split on what to do 😦

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 11:01 AM

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I think I've done enough reading to give this a stab, I've got (on order) a Phoscon ConBee II.

As far as I can see it'll work with HA, through the ZHA integration.

I was going to order some Aqrara products, as they look pretty cheap, but found some extra reading thst they don't play nice with anything but their own.

Is there a list of "top compatible" sensors or devices

violet dagger Jan 1, 2022, 11:08 AM

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That was some misguided reading

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Conbee is the lowest recommended coordinator and Aqara is one of the top brands

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 11:13 AM

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I found out the hard way unfortunately (about the Conbee)

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 11:48 AM

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And now I am stuck with old problems (SSL reconfiguration needed due to errors etc) 😦

feral rivet Jan 1, 2022, 11:55 AM

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@lilac parcel - whats your issue with the SDM630?
Had one in my installation, worked very nicely

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 11:56 AM

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lilac parcel And now I am stuck with old problems (SSL reconfiguration needed due to errors e...

This is why we run a reverse proxy that automatically refreshes certificates you see

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:00 PM

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feral rivet <@!871004285608001618> - whats your issue with the SDM630? Had one in my install...

Well I didn't do the "smart" integration yet with RS485, but the energy consumption in kWh/kVar gets resetted once 99.9 is reached 😦

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:01 PM

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jolly narwhal This is why we run a reverse proxy that automatically refreshes certificates you...

I manageed to solve that in the past, lost about 1 day tweaking all configuration. I wish stuff was a bit more "smart". Especially when all my tools, scripts, etc are currently down (due to house renovations, etc)

feral rivet Jan 1, 2022, 12:01 PM

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@lilac parcel - strange, thats not the point of a meter 🙂

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:01 PM

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I tried to contact Eastron and bg-etech.de / stromzähler where I bought the devices, but they didn't reply in over 3 months

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Very ***** customer service

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Have 2 x SDM630 and 3 x SDM120

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Looks like the SDM120 will reach 9999.99 kWh before resetting

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Even that is 100 times less than advertised in the datasheet (SDM120 -> max 999999 kWh)

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Either that or they forgot the "." in the datasheet

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From manual SDM630 should be max 999999.99 kWh / kVar

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:10 PM

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If you switch to a sane installation method we can help you get automatic certificate handling running ;-) @lilac parcel

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:11 PM

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jolly narwhal If you switch to a sane installation method we can help you get automatic certif...

So even container is not supported now 😮 ?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:12 PM

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You were running #330944238910963714 last you mentioned

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beardmogi

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:12 PM

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Yes

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And now I installed on Raspberry Pi OS using contaiiner

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docker run -d
--name homeassistant
--privileged
--restart=always
-e TZ=MY_TIME_ZONE
-v /docker/homeassistant:/config
--network=host
ghcr.io/home-assistant/home-assistant:stable

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And I get this damn SSL error

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An error occurred during a connection to 192.168.1.17:8123. SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length.

Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG

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Which seems due to the fact that SSL certificates is not specified in configuration.yaml

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:18 PM

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Yes, doing SSL termination in ha is eeeh, do it in a reverse proxy, but that is more of a discussion for #449717345808547842

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:18 PM

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That's why I feared doing a reinstallation would be a pain in the ***

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:19 PM

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It's not, setting up ha and a reverse proxy will literally be 10 minutes at worst

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:20 PM

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Well I can tell you ... once you know ALL the configuration and commands, yes

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:20 PM

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violet dagger Conbee is the lowest recommended coordinator and Aqara is one of the top brands

Damn, what's the preffered coordinator then?

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I've cancelled the order of the conbee, but will keep the aqara sensors coming!

solid inlet Jan 1, 2022, 12:23 PM

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Look at the pinned messages, second from top has some good pointers

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:24 PM

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#zigbee-archived message

This one? So I'm not further misguiding my own reading

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:26 PM

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jolly narwhal It's not, setting up ha and a reverse proxy will literally be 10 minutes at wors...

Maybe I should just setup a more powerful system in the meantime 😄

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:27 PM

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So aqara is easy to integrate and doesn't need the hub, which they keep pushing me to buy?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:28 PM

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I'm using 40ish aqara devices

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They are great

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:28 PM

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so this looks to be okay, based on that list https://shop.electrolama.com/collections/usb-rf-sticks/products/zzh-multiprotocol-rf-stick

sand minnow Jan 1, 2022, 12:28 PM

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Hi guys, just a quick question for you, not sure if this is the right channel. My deconz (vnc app) is showing all my devices, but no lines between them at all. In phoscon app, the devices show up, and also in HA as entities. But nothing can be turned on/off neither from HA or from phoscon web. Ive tried uninstalling both the add-on and the integration. Restoring from backup (in phoscon). With no success.

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:30 PM

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jolly narwhal They are great

I was about to buy the aqara temperature & humidity sensor, but I am reading https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/WSDCGQ11LM.html and it looks like Xiaomi devices have some potential issues in weak links, low batteries, etc ?

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Any direct experience with WSDCGQ11LM ?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:30 PM

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I have 9 of those

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I haven't replaced the battery in any yet

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Some are almost 3 years old

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:31 PM

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and you're running without a hub?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:31 PM

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I'm running with a zzh and zigbee2mqtt

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 12:31 PM

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@uncut compass I think we all agree that ALL manufacturers are trying to push their hub and claim it cannot run without. IKEA, Aqara, Sonoff, ...

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The question is whether the specific device (e.g. switch, temperature sensor, ...) is supported by the coordinator and exposes the required protocols, apis, etc

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:32 PM

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Is the device I sent earlier zzh? https://shop.electrolama.com/collections/usb-rf-sticks/products/zzh-multiprotocol-rf-stick

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 12:33 PM

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Yes

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 1, 2022, 12:34 PM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

uncut compass Jan 1, 2022, 12:36 PM

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👍

vestal atlas Jan 1, 2022, 1:02 PM

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lilac parcel Well I can tell you ... once you know ALL the configuration and commands, yes

You should check out Caddy. Super easy and nice reverse proxy that automagically creates and handles ssl

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 1:04 PM

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vestal atlas You should check out Caddy. Super easy and nice reverse proxy that automagically...

Interesting, I always used nginx so a 1-2 line configuration using Caddy is very much appealing 😮

vestal atlas Jan 1, 2022, 1:05 PM

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feels like magic after dealing with nginx and certbot 😅

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 1:06 PM

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True 🙂

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I'm still split between going forward with Raspberry PI 4, setup a VM on one of my Proxmox servers or build a new overkill Proxmox Server with 128GB of RAM 😄

outer plaza Jan 1, 2022, 1:42 PM

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Hey, how does dimmer behave when it looses connection with hub? Is still providing power to outlet or not?

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I wanted to use one in switchless mode, and want it to continuously provide power when HA is offline

storm lagoon Jan 1, 2022, 1:50 PM

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I have HASS (latest) running in VM on Linux, Zigbee2mqtt (latest) with CC2652P (https://www.ebay.de/itm/224675740329). I already have 8 devices in my network, those work. I'm trying to factory reset my Philips Hue bulbs by TouchLink. When I do, something seems to happen to my CC2652P:

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zigbee2mqtt@1.22.2 start
node index.js
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-01-01 14:49:27: Error while starting zigbee-herdsman
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-01-01 14:49:27: Failed to start zigbee
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-01-01 14:49:27: Check https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/20_zigbee2mqtt-fails-to-start.html for possible solutions
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-01-01 14:49:27: Exiting...
Zigbee2MQTT:error 2022-01-01 14:49:27: Error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/serial/by-id/usb-1a86_USB_Serial-if00-port0'
at SerialPort.<anonymous> (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/src/adapter/z-stack/znp/znp.ts:146:28)
at SerialPort._error (/app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/node_modules/@serialport/stream/lib/index.js:198:14)
at /app/node_modules/zigbee-herdsman/node_modules/@serialport/stream/lib/index.js:242:12
[14:49:27] INFO: Handing over control to Zigbee2mqtt Core ...

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Is there a better way to get the stick to work again than shutting down the VM, removing the stick from host, replug the stick, boot the VM?
Edit: For what it's worth, this seems to be a known issue 😦 https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/5356

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The device is gone from lsusb inside the VM 😦, but visible to lsusb on the host

tender kiln Jan 1, 2022, 1:55 PM

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Happy New Year,
is it possible to run the Deconz addon and the ZHA addon side by side, with of course two UBS sticks for each addon its own,
the reason for this is that I have some zigbee components which don't work ideally in Deconz like a Tuya socket and Insta wall switches

violet dagger Jan 1, 2022, 1:59 PM

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Yes it is

storm lagoon Jan 1, 2022, 2:00 PM

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Following up to my questions above... Do you guys know of a better forum to get help with VM questions? I feel my questions need help somewhere between Zigbee and the VM manager/host

outer plaza Jan 1, 2022, 2:01 PM

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I'm affraid you won't receive answers within desired SLA on New Years Eve

storm lagoon Jan 1, 2022, 2:01 PM

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😄

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 2:01 PM

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Well, the more layers of virtualization you have the more hard it will be to keep track of @storm lagoon

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But if you are running #330990055533576204 that is the place for help

storm lagoon Jan 1, 2022, 2:02 PM

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Thanks I'll give it a shot there

tender kiln Jan 1, 2022, 2:28 PM

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or do you think using only the ZHA add on whit the Deconz stick works better than in the deconz add on?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 2:28 PM

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Well, the Conbee isn't great with much except deconz

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And even then I would say it is one of the least desirable options based on user feedback

tender kiln Jan 1, 2022, 2:35 PM

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jolly narwhal Well, the Conbee isn't great with much except deconz

What would you advise in my case?

I mainly have IKEA lamps and switches, two Zigbee smoke detectors (only indicate on/off in HA), a wall plug, Insta/Gira switch (doesn't work in Conbee) and 3 Icasa wall switches

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 2:36 PM

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I can only recommend what I use myself, zigbee2mqtt and a cc2652 coordinator

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With 120+ devices

tender kiln Jan 1, 2022, 2:36 PM

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i dont use MQTT in my HA system....

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 2:37 PM

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It takes 3 minutes to deploy and configure mqtt

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So that isn't an obstacle

tender kiln Jan 1, 2022, 2:39 PM

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jolly narwhal So that isn't an obstacle

i tried it before, and then i didn't get it to work to be honest, but that must have been a config error on my part

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 2:41 PM

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It is pretty straight forward, depending on your installation method #449717345808547842 or #330990055533576204 can help you get it running

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Mqtt is very versatile, for lots of stuff

tender kiln Jan 1, 2022, 2:43 PM

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jolly narwhal It is pretty straight forward, depending on your installation method <#449717345...

i will have a look on it, bit first i have to get another Zigbee USB stick

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 3:20 PM

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@jolly narwhal So you only have the lightweight "stuff" (homeasssistant & zigbee2mqtt) running on a low-power device (e.g. raspberry pi), while much heavier stuff (graphana, prometheus, influxdb, ...) on more heavy-duty hardware ?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 3:23 PM

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No, i have zigbee2mqtt on a pi, ha and some other stuff on a mini itx, a lot of other stuff on a r510, some stuff on a dl380 gen8, some stuff on a dl380 gen9, stone other stuff on a Edgeline 1000 and my router on a Edgeline 300

violet dagger Jan 1, 2022, 3:23 PM

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You have a running pi? For shame

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 3:24 PM

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Yes

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I hate it

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I should buy an ethernet tube coordinator

violet dagger Jan 1, 2022, 3:26 PM

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And you were just starting to grow on me

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 3:27 PM

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Eww, even worse

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Better buy another pi

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:33 PM

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Morning All - New to the server but very glad to have found it

violet dagger Jan 1, 2022, 3:36 PM

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You'll change your mind soon enough ;)

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:36 PM

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Well, let's see.... I'm looking for some Zigbee devices that don't seem to exist on Amazon. Anyone know where to buy:

Controller/power supply for RGBW LED light strip (sengled). I bought 16 ft of strip but only need to use 8. I don't want to just throw the rest out...
Battery power LED light for use in a closet

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I enjoy your site, btw, blakadder. thanks!

violet dagger Jan 1, 2022, 3:39 PM

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Any rgbw controller like Gledopto and a separate power supply with voltage for your led strip

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Yeelight does battery powered closet light... No smarts on those

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:41 PM

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I'm curious what makes battery powered smart lights so difficult

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does the smarts make it use that much more battery?\

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 3:41 PM

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Yes

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They have to be constantly listening for commands, which takes a lot more power

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:42 PM

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whoa, a fellow Tink has appeared

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 3:42 PM

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I'm always here... watching

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https://tenor.com/view/mike-wazowski-watchingyou-gif-5352035

Tenor

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 3:42 PM

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atx

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 3:43 PM

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Z-Wave has beaming which somewhat handles it, but AFAIK there's no Zigbee equivalent

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Even then I've never seen Z-Wave smart lights

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:45 PM

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how do I know which of these gledopto controllers is correct for my 4-pin sengled LED strip?

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https://www.amazon.com/GLEDOPTO-Controller-Dimmable-DC12-24V-Suitable/dp/B07X8V8TBR/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=1PRO6WGKVI974&keywords=gledopto&qid=1641051607&s=hi&sprefix=gledopto%2Ctools%2C145&sr=1-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExVzhWQVVHWFpBTVI1JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUExMDQxMzQwM00xOVU1UjQ5VUtYSSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMDg0NDUwMVVHS05SSDhKOUM4RCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 3:46 PM

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Are you sure the strip is RGBW and not RGB?

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If it's RGBW then get an RGBW controller

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/GL-C-007S.html

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:48 PM

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the amazon listing stated RGBW. There appears to be alternating RGB and white diodes

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and there are 4-pins, R-G-B-W

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 3:49 PM

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Four pins are normally R G B and power

shrewd crypt Jan 1, 2022, 3:52 PM

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ah, there are 5

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R-G-B-W-+24V

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tinks for da 'elp

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 3:55 PM

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I've been quite happy with my Gledopto controllers so far

inland coral Jan 1, 2022, 5:57 PM

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I wonder if OpenThread replaces zigbee in popularity one day..

dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:02 PM

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Hi,
how do you upgrade your zigbee devices automatically. IKEA is supported, but how to deal with e.g. Philips Hue?

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 6:03 PM

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Generally it's manual - you pick the option to upgrade them

dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:07 PM

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sour shadow Generally it's manual - you pick the option to upgrade them

So following the steps from https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#ota-firmware-updates right? So I need to put the files into the otau_directory right?

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 6:07 PM

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Oh, I don't use ZHA, I use Zigbee2MQTT

dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:09 PM

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sour shadow Oh, I don't use ZHA, I use Zigbee2MQTT

Zigbee2MQTT seems to be widley used. Is it worth to swtich from ZHA to Zigbee2MQTT?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:09 PM

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Yes

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If you enjoy decoupling at least

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 6:21 PM

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dense pilot So following the steps from https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#ota-...

Yes. After the OTA directory is re-scanned when you restart HA and the bulb asks for an image, it will be sent

dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:23 PM

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austere patio Yes. After the OTA directory is re-scanned when you restart HA and the bulb asks...

Can I add multiple version of the firmware for the same bulb there or should I make sure that there is only one? Is there a naming schema for the files or in other words, how does the bulb know which image is for the bulb?

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 6:24 PM

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Doesn't matter, the most recent image compatible with the device will be used

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The files have headers that identify the devices that are compatible with them. When the device asks for an image, the correct one will be chosen. You can name them whatever you want or have multiple versions.

dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:28 PM

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Do you know a way how to get a firmware version of a bulb through ZHA?

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So the actual version of the running device not the firmware image

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 6:31 PM

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What would be the difference?

dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:32 PM

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Just to check which devices need an upgrade. This is only relevant for Philips Hue, because the docs mention that I need also trigger the service command zha.issue_zigbee_cluster_command .

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 6:39 PM

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It's in the device page, e.g. Firmware: 0x21036500

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:41 PM

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I apparently have very good ZigBee coverage, my neighbor who is.....15-20 meters from my house has installed Philips hue light strips in her kitchen, I just noticed I for some reason have hue strips in my zigbee2mqtt

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So I went to my window, toggled the light, and it went off

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WhiteGuyBlinking

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I'm currently updating her firmware

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 6:42 PM

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Walk over there and ask for your light strip back

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:42 PM

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She is probably using them via the remote only, since she is running 2020 firmware

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 6:43 PM

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Why did they join your network? Are you perpetually permitting joins?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:43 PM

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I apparently forgot to disable pairing so now I'm stealing all my neighbours ZigBee devices

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angry_haha

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 6:43 PM

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z2m auto-disables joins after 254 seconds (unless you have permit_join: true in your config)

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so you must have permit_join: true set

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you animal

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:44 PM

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But seriously the closest router is probably 25m of clear sight, plus walls

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:44 PM

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lilac wharf z2m auto-disables joins after 254 seconds (unless you have permit_join: true in ...

No kink shaming please

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atx

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 6:44 PM

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😂

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:45 PM

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So if anybody was wondering how good a ZigBee mesh can be

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mochathumbsupyesok

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I also have my mailbox that is probably 12-15 meters from the closest router behaving nicely

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 6:49 PM

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i want to put a contact sensor on our mailbox, but the fact that it's metal has proven to be a challenge

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:49 PM

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Mine is metal too

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I have it on the outside, magnet under the lid, aqara device exposed to the elements on the outside

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 6:50 PM

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yeah, i want it to be hidden

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 6:50 PM

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dense pilot Jan 1, 2022, 6:53 PM

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austere patio It's in the device page, e.g. `Firmware: 0x21036500`

Interessting. On all my devices (hue, sonoff) I have no firmware version field

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only IEEE, Nwk, Device Type, LQI, RSSI, last seen

lilac parcel Jan 1, 2022, 7:01 PM

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jolly narwhal

Which sensor are you using? This looks like a temperature sensor, not a contact sensor though ...

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I wasn't able to find many outdoor-rated devices, except the Philips Hue Outdoor Motion Sensor

unborn orbit Jan 1, 2022, 7:14 PM

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does anyone have a good tutorial on bellows? i'm running into issues with using bellows and forming a new network. scan works, info works, etc but when I try and form a new network it just freezes

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 7:14 PM

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unborn orbit does anyone have a good tutorial on bellows? i'm running into issues with using...

Run it with -v DEBUG and post the output

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You may also have to run leave before forming a new network

unborn orbit Jan 1, 2022, 7:17 PM

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will give it a shot. thank you!

unborn orbit Jan 1, 2022, 7:40 PM

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operation ends with "debug: Closed serial connection"

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 7:40 PM

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Does it just hang after forming?

unborn orbit Jan 1, 2022, 7:41 PM

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yeah

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in terminal i don't get a prompt anymore

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 7:41 PM

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You can ctrl-c it, it's done

unborn orbit Jan 1, 2022, 7:41 PM

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okay perfect

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 7:41 PM

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Just a bug

unborn orbit Jan 1, 2022, 7:41 PM

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wasn't sure if i needed to ctrl-c or if i needed to wait until it let me out

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really appreciate the help

outer plaza Jan 1, 2022, 7:51 PM

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If i turn on the lights using Zigbee dimmer controlled by HA and then my HA crashes, will the lights turn off?

austere patio Jan 1, 2022, 7:52 PM

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Unless you send a on_with_timed_off command, no

outer plaza Jan 1, 2022, 7:54 PM

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austere patio Unless you send a `on_with_timed_off` command, no

Thanks!

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 8:21 PM

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good evening. is conbee II still the zigbee stick to get at this point in time?

outer plaza Jan 1, 2022, 8:23 PM

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Yes, check out zigbee2mqtt recommendations here - https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 8:24 PM

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ehh... something CC2652 based would be a better choice for z2m

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 8:24 PM

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lilac parcel Which sensor are you using? This looks like a temperature sensor, not a contact ...

That is the aqara door sensor

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 8:25 PM

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@outer plaza thank you. @lilac wharf care to expand on that?

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 8:25 PM

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of course, we need to know what zigbee integration you want to use

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 8:26 PM

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@lilac wharf I intend to control my Hue Lights and IKEA Fyrtur for now. Intend to have a look at HAOS and see how well my Tasmota devices integrates into that. Got some other MQTT devices as wwell.

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But I have been summoned for games with SO and kids. Later

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 8:27 PM

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sure, but what zigbee software do you want to use? ZHA, zigbee2mqtt, deconz?

slim wedge Jan 1, 2022, 8:28 PM

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Does anyone know if the Enbrighten Zigbee 43076 wall switch supports any kind of double-tap or triple tap events with ZHA?

I haven't ordered it yet, but I wanted something that I could trigger some automations with different combinations from the wall, and I can't use a dimmer as the switch controls wall outlets.

nova flint Jan 1, 2022, 8:46 PM

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jolly narwhal I also have my mailbox that is probably 12-15 meters from the closest router beh...

You and your nearby mailbox 😄 I'm trying to figure out a way to get a "You've got mail" signal from my mailbox reliably to HA. It's roughly 100m away down the road, with no line of sight 😄

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 8:50 PM

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That is easy

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LoRA

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Just my regular test with an indoor antenna and no optimization and the receiver inside my car gave me 250m

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Should be able to do 10km with line of sight

nova flint Jan 1, 2022, 8:52 PM

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Line of sight is the biggest issue, there's 3 houses between me and the mailbox 😄

royal star Jan 1, 2022, 8:53 PM

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As much as it pains me not to use zigbee because of the LoS issue I use 433mhz for my long range applications

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 8:56 PM

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nova flint Line of sight is the biggest issue, there's 3 houses between me and the mailbox ...

Yeah I did 250m with 10h between and sub optimal conditions, 100m static should be fine

nova flint Jan 1, 2022, 9:05 PM

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Ok, yeah, looks like LoRaWAN would be a great way to go. Just looked up the gateways around me and.. Shouldn't have any connectivity issues there 😄 Now I just need to figure out how to reliably get a microswitch to trigger with my mailbox and source a lorawan development board from somewhere

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:08 PM

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Regular P2P LoRA should be fine

nova flint Jan 1, 2022, 9:13 PM

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Okay, I'm running into a lot of new information with this dive into LoRA 😄 Thank god it's not a "must be done tomorrow" issue

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:14 PM

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NOK 27.15 12%OFF | 2pcs of TTGO LORA32 868/915Mhz SX1276 ESP32 Oled-display Bluetooth WIFI Lora development board
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMqACek

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Good start

floral osprey Jan 1, 2022, 9:23 PM

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I have problems with unbinding a zigbee device from the network i am using ZHA integration. I tried delting the entitites in the config file, and restarted HA, but they reappear

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:30 PM

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lilac wharf sure, but what zigbee software do you want to use? ZHA, zigbee2mqtt, deconz?

Do any of those suit my Hue lights and IKEA Fyrtur particularly well?

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Do all of them integrate well with HAOS?

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 9:33 PM

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no clue regarding ikea fyrtur but yes with hue

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and yes to the second question

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:37 PM

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so... any other 'tiebreakers' to help choose one over the other?

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 9:38 PM

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Don't use deCONZ

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Other than that, do you like all your eggs in one basket?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:42 PM

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beardmogi

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:46 PM

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@sour shadow what's wrong with deCONZ? and does that rule out conbee?

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 9:47 PM

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What's right with it?

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And pins

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deCONZ's rate of development is glacial compared to Zigbee2MQTT and ZHA

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:47 PM

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ah. that is a major point

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potentially lame question, but is Zigbee2MQTT a 2-way thing?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:48 PM

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slow_parrot

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 9:48 PM

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2 way thing?

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As in?

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:49 PM

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Does it allow for both managing and monitoring?

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 9:50 PM

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what do you mean

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 9:50 PM

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this

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You get entities in HA that you can work with.

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Lights you can turn on and off, switches that report activity, etc

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:51 PM

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excellent. thank you.

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:51 PM

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Decoupling

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winkyboii

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 9:52 PM

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tried installing haos a month ago. could have put money on my rpi's being v3. turns out to be v2. still waiting for rpi4 to come back in stock. so no HAOS here yet.

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 PM

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tada_animated

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 PM

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Anything can run HA though

sour shadow Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 PM

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Well maybe not your toaster

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 9:53 PM

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And any 10 year old laptop will be better than a pi mostly

vestal atlas Jan 1, 2022, 9:55 PM

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nova flint You and your nearby mailbox 😄 I'm trying to figure out a way to get a "You've g...

I have the same 'issue' with the mailbox. Does someone know how much power a Ikea ICC-A-1 module uses when being a router? It would be a nice experiment to space out battery powered routers all the way to the mailbox 😁

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 10:00 PM

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I had the impression that a complete OS was only available for RPi. I see that this is not the case.

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:03 PM

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vestal atlas I have the same 'issue' with the mailbox. Does someone know how much power a Ike...

How far?

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:03 PM

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leaden spear I had the impression that a complete OS was only available for RPi. I see that ...

The the whole os is optional

vestal atlas Jan 1, 2022, 10:07 PM

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jolly narwhal How far?

~250m. I know lorawan is an option, and it is in range of a gateway. But I have not dipped my toes into that yet. Another option could be a highly directional bluetooth antenna solution

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 10:07 PM

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@jolly narwhal trying to get away from the "I better do everything from scratch to get it exactly the way I like"-idea.

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so a complete image suits me fine. I see a Linux VM as an option.

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 PM

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vestal atlas ~250m. I know lorawan is an option, and it is in range of a gateway. But I have ...

P2P LoRA should also be fine

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 PM

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if deconz is to be avoided, does that rule out ConBee II? merely asking because this hardware is the easiest to get my hands on

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:10 PM

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leaden spear if deconz is to be avoided, does that rule out ConBee II? merely asking because ...

Yes

leaden spear Jan 1, 2022, 10:13 PM

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k. I like Sonoff in general, and the fact that their dongle has an external antenne is another plus for me. So I'll order one of those, I guess.

jovial aspen Jan 1, 2022, 10:30 PM

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I’m still waiting for mine. Ordered it in October

keen jetty Jan 1, 2022, 10:30 PM

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Assume its not possible but before I set to doing it manually is there a way to send mass options change to all tasmota devices at one time.
I wanna send setoption41 45 as units keep losing connection to asus router

jovial aspen Jan 1, 2022, 10:30 PM

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ITEAD are almost as bad as slaesh wrt shipping times

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https://tenor.com/view/cona-black-mane-cona-black-mane-conor-gif-21357334

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:32 PM

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My zzh took 1 week from shipping

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My cc1352 took 3 days from Houston to Norway

lilac wharf Jan 1, 2022, 10:36 PM

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keen jetty Assume its not possible but before I set to doing it manually is there a way to ...

Yes, assuming all devices have a grouptopic of tasmotas (the default), then go to the console of one tasmota device and type publish cmnd/tasmotas/setoption41 45

keen jetty Jan 1, 2022, 10:37 PM

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lilac wharf Yes, assuming all devices have a grouptopic of tasmotas (the default), then go t...

Fab I'll try this. Thanks for taking time

lime locust Jan 1, 2022, 10:59 PM

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noticed a new version of zigbee2mqtt , and some new firmware for the 2652p , can i just reflash the stick without repairing everything ?
and do what is the max transmit power i can set the stick to ? noticed this option is missing since i upgraded my cc2531

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 10:59 PM

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If you have a proper mesh I see no reason to boost the signal

lime locust Jan 1, 2022, 11:01 PM

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ah so boosting might cause more heat ... lqi seems to be over 100+ for powered devices and 40+ for battery

jolly narwhal Jan 1, 2022, 11:02 PM

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More routers DogeWink

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Pair in place DogeWink

cerulean thorn Jan 1, 2022, 11:22 PM

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I got so many sticks i feel like a scalper. I might try to set a tube outside for better outside zigbee. Very wonky outside here

compact haven Jan 1, 2022, 11:36 PM

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I have a question about my gledopto 'GL-D-003ZS' spots. Is this the right place to ask?

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Oh well.. I'll ask the question anyway, maybe someone can help.
I currently have 6 spots installed in my bathroom. I got them successfully connected to my sonoff zigbee usb dongle with zigbee2mqtt.
The problem I have is that the brightness is not restored when powering the device off and on again through the wall switch.
The color doest get restored....
When changing the spots off and on again through homeassistent after having the brightness set to 35% the brightness restores to that exact bridghtness.
Does this have something to do with powering off and resetting the light to full in case of emergencies?

fallow cypress Jan 2, 2022, 3:22 AM

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compact haven Oh well.. I'll ask the question anyway, maybe someone can help. I currently have...

not something I've played with personally.. but there should be a startup feature for your device.
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/GL-D-003ZS.html#gledopto-gl-d-003zs - looking at this.. there's a color_temp_startup -which might help? you may be outta luck on the brightness though.

unborn orbit Jan 2, 2022, 4:32 AM

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anyone else having issues with pairing sonoff dongle as a router? bought 10 of them and can't get them to pair in Z2M

lilac wharf Jan 2, 2022, 6:17 AM

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Did you flash router firmware @unborn orbit ?

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Also, 10?! Damn lol

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 7:18 AM

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jolly narwhal That is the aqara door sensor

Thank you :). Do you use it only for you mailbox or also for proper security? I was thinking of using the Aeotec products but they are 2-3x more expensive ...

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(with ZWAVE of course)

upbeat egret Jan 2, 2022, 7:25 AM

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Hey folks, can I use this as a Zigbee hub for non aqara products?
https://www.amazon.ca/Aqara-Protocol-Interface-Transmission-Compatible/dp/B09BJCNCKM/

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 9:00 AM

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lilac parcel Thank you :). Do you use it only for you mailbox or also for proper security? I ...

I dropped zwave, can buy 4x ZigBee for the same price, and i have no security concerns, crime is pretty rare

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 9:05 AM

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OK you're helping me empty Proshop now

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🤣

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@jolly narwhal Any good smart smoke detector ? I only saw ZWAVEs for that application. And any good one for Europe? https://community.home-assistant.io/t/first-alert-smoke-detector-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-setup/66761/24 is promising but only for US 😦

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 9:08 AM

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I have one

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A Xiaomi Honeywell one

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Haven't had time to play with it yet, but it is installed over my 3d printer

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AliExpress 4 lyfe

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 9:09 AM

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Must be nice for you. Stupid EU rules since July basically bump up the cost of all shippings by at least 20EUR + VAT 😦

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 9:10 AM

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Not in Norway, we just pay vat

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And that is still cheaper than local options by far

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 9:14 AM

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@jolly narwhal This one? https://www.ebay.de/itm/372947890299?hash=item56d56d307b:g:3dQAAOSw~V5hn0WG

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I know there are others on Aliexpress too ... Of course if I buy a batch of 10 it will be worth it 😄

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 9:15 AM

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Aye, i have that one

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Let me see what I paid

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USD 30 with shipping and tax

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 9:16 AM

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Currently aliexpress is about 38 EUR (from the seller that sold most of them at least) - ebay from Germany is 43 EUR ... Better to buy from Germany then, no VAT/duties surprises

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32818019347.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.18027f2cn9F1qX&algo_pvid=d261ded1-ae5b-4d0e-b7d1-3d05e32bcb0c&algo_exp_id=d261ded1-ae5b-4d0e-b7d1-3d05e32bcb0c-3&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"66485984764"}&pdp_pi=-1%3B38.24%3B-1%3BEUR+2.37%40salePrice%3BEUR%3Bsearch-mainSearch

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Funny now aliexpress charges VAT for Denmark 😮 ?

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"Price includes VAT"

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 9:19 AM

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They add it in AliExpress for us too

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Then tell Norwegian government we've paid

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 9:20 AM

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OK that's new

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It wasn't the case in July 2021 as far as I could tell

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 9:22 AM

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It was introduced in 2021

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Before that we paid nothing extra

rocky sleet Jan 2, 2022, 9:57 AM

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Yup same in Croatia.. once upon a time was no-tax everything below 60-80€ then they take eu proposal to tax each shipping, now they stop shipping on customs addestra fee and another shipment fee from main town to my place so they killed all good things of AliExpress small joys

outer plaza Jan 2, 2022, 10:40 AM

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Wich door sensors would you recommend? Looking for one that would not drain battery like crazy

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 10:41 AM

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Aqara

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#zigbee-archived message

outer plaza Jan 2, 2022, 10:43 AM

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jolly narwhal https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/551843655682490399/9266315507900...

Good reference, was about to ask for temp sensors too

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Thanks 🙂

pearl atlas Jan 2, 2022, 11:18 AM

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what zigbee dongle do you guys recommend?

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 2, 2022, 11:19 AM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

dense latch Jan 2, 2022, 11:30 AM

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pearl atlas what zigbee dongle do you guys recommend?

Just yesterday I purchased the SMARTLIGHT CC2652 (found on same site as linked by above comment). I chose that one because I live in EU and it was the first one I clicked on that I don't have to pay extra VAT for.
If you want, I can report back in 20-30 days (delivery time) and tell you whether or not it's working? 😄

hexed pilot Jan 2, 2022, 1:57 PM

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I just received th Tubes PoE coordinator, but indeed had to pay import duties of 20€... But I like it is wired ethernet and PoE

unborn orbit Jan 2, 2022, 1:57 PM

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lilac wharf Did you flash router firmware <@808128046837661747> ?

haha yea I know went a little overboard. I've had some issues with drop off and wanted to do whatever I could to stop it. I did reset the NVRAM and flashed firmware. I've tried getting them to join both ZHA and Z2M and had success with only one so far. Not sure what the difficulty is in getting these things paired

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 1:57 PM

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i think it's stupid to buy a sensor for 20 quid, then have to buy a hub for 50 quid just to be able to talk to it. that's vendor lock-in that i don't want

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can a zigbee sensor talk to home assistant without the hub?

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 1:58 PM

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Yes, but no, but yes

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pins

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 1:58 PM

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new to discord, how do i do that

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 1:58 PM

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The pinned messages - the emoji gives you a hint, but look up and right

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 1:58 PM

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ah thanks

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heh, still none the wiser

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 2, 2022, 2:02 PM

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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented.

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:02 PM

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☝️

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You always need a Zigbee radio of some form. That can come in a manufacturer's hub (don't), or a coordinator you drive with ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

lilac wharf Jan 2, 2022, 2:04 PM

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And by using a coordinator with ZHA, zigbee2mqtt, or deconz you're not limited to a specific manufacturer's devices

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 2:04 PM

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@jolly narwhal Just to cross-check. The link I sent you on ebay for the Xiaomi Honeywell smoke detector was for JTYJ-GD-03MI/BB. On Zigbee2MQTT database the Xiaomi JTYJ-GD-01LM/BW is listed as supported, nothing is mentioned about the JTYJ-GD-03MI/BB. Are you sure you got the JTYJ-GD-03MI/BB ? I'm a bit confused when looking at the product page it says zigbee gateways (but maybe not coordinators) are NOT supported.

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:04 PM

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Let me see what I have

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 2:04 PM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/JTYJ-GD-01LM_BW.html#xiaomi-jtyj-gd-01lm-bw

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:05 PM

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Identifies as

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Model
JTYJ-GD-01LM/BW

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In zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:05 PM

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Do you have the model number

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Excellent

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ablobjoy

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Yes/no/maybe/whale

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 2:06 PM

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@jolly narwhal So I was about to buy the wrong model 😦

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 2:06 PM

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interesting, are there other manufacturers who are more open with their hardware or do all require an additional hub/stick of some sort

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:07 PM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/WXKG11LM.html#pairing

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:07 PM

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tacit willow interesting, are there other manufacturers who are more open with their hardware...

Well, Zigbee requires a radio to talk Zigbee

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So, you always need some form of hub/stick/whatever

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Same goes with WiFi, Bluetooth, etc etc

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No radio, no communication

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 2:08 PM

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@jolly narwhal So that exact model is only available on aliexpress https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001647434880.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2dd52e4d60omYS&algo_pvid=1c73b114-090f-4645-b882-4674d2114bba&algo_exp_id=1c73b114-090f-4645-b882-4674d2114bba-0&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"12000016973023643"}&pdp_pi=-1%3B43.47%3B-1%3BEUR+3.66%40salePrice%3BEUR%3Bsearch-mainSearch

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 2:08 PM

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well i have a router, so i can't understand why it can't just connect to that?

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:08 PM

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No idea what the difference is @lilac parcel

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:09 PM

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tacit willow well i have a router, so i can't understand why it can't just connect to that?

Because your router, whatever it is, isn't supported by ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:09 PM

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tacit willow well i have a router, so i can't understand why it can't just connect to that?

Cause that router doesn't talk to ha

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:09 PM

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Don't let that stop you from developing the required support

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https://tenor.com/view/that-was-sarcasm-anti-mixtape-i-was-being-sarcastic-i-wasnt-serious-gif-24122833

Tenor

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 2:09 PM

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oh, i'm really new to ha and haven't had a play with it yet. looking at the hardware first

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:10 PM

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Your WiFi router may have a Zigbee radio, but that's irrelevant to HA unless it exposes it in a way HA can use it

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:11 PM

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I know Aruba access points have ZigBee radios too

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 2:11 PM

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i assumed sensors would connect to my router, and ha would also connect to the router listening for signals from the sensors on certain ip addresses

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:11 PM

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I should get one of those

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 2:11 PM

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jolly narwhal No idea what the difference is <@871004285608001618>

Fair enough, me neither, but I'd rather not have to do beta testing, I'm not familiar with these devices/protocols yet ...

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:11 PM

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So what, the instructions for putting it in pairing mode work regardless

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:12 PM

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tacit willow i assumed sensors would connect to my router, and ha would also connect to the r...

Only if the router and HA support that. Odds of that are slightly less than zero

tacit willow Jan 2, 2022, 2:12 PM

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nice

sour shadow Jan 2, 2022, 2:12 PM

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It would need a working API that HA could use

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shrug

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I don't use it, wouldn't know. The deCONZ Discord would know

lilac parcel Jan 2, 2022, 2:18 PM

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@jolly narwhal JTYJ-GD-03MI/BB appears to require a bluetooth gateway

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So very different 😄

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 2:23 PM

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Oh

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Pass

outer plaza Jan 2, 2022, 3:51 PM

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Any recommendations for air quality sensor?

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 3:58 PM

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Aqara

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DogeWink

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/VOCKQJK11LM.html#xiaomi-vockqjk11lm

mystic tulip Jan 2, 2022, 3:59 PM

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are the amazon echo buttons zigbee?

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Bluetooth according to 3 seconds on Google

mystic tulip Jan 2, 2022, 4:02 PM

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im on 3 min and couldn't find the info 🙂

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 4:02 PM

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Google - Amazon echo button, click Amazon sales link, scroll down, mentions Bluetooth

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Hahoo

nova flint Jan 2, 2022, 4:37 PM

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The zigbee2mqtt device pages have always seemed confusing to me. It claims something exposes multiple things, but then each of those say "It's not possible to read or write this value." So, how are you supposed to get that value? 😄

violet dagger Jan 2, 2022, 5:01 PM

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It's being pushed, you cannot read aka request it or write aka change it

haughty marsh Jan 2, 2022, 5:11 PM

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Hello! Hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I have some LED drivers (ENVILAR ZG42CC-UNI-LEDDRIVER) connected through Deconz. Phoscon shows the correct state. Rest API shows the correct state. Home Assistant does not show the correct state for the devices. They're just shown with the state "off" no matter what. I can control the LED drivers just fine. It just doesn't update the state... Unless I manually update the state to on, then it will set the state to off when i turn off the lights

outer plaza Jan 2, 2022, 6:11 PM

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jolly narwhal Aqara

ohh you

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 6:11 PM

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Oh me

lilac wharf Jan 2, 2022, 6:15 PM

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Oh my 😳

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 6:15 PM

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Also, for anyone who saw my post about ZigBee distance to my neighbor and my mailbox

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Zigbee https://imgur.com/a/XkHnqPD

vestal atlas Jan 2, 2022, 7:13 PM

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jolly narwhal Also, for anyone who saw my post about ZigBee distance to my neighbor and my mai...

have you seen this? https://youtu.be/4aLxw48ZCQo 😅

jolly narwhal Jan 2, 2022, 7:46 PM

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Antennas is cheating, I'm just using tradfri and Xiaomi DogeWink

unborn orbit Jan 2, 2022, 9:38 PM

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Having some interesting results on my sonoff zigbee dongles. I can make a coordinator on channel 25 w/ the sonoff dongle and have no problem with having devices join other than teh sonoff dongle routers If, however, I try and join w/ a sonoff dongle flashed as router to the network on channel 25 they won't do so. On the other hand if my network is on channel 15 I have no problems with having the dongles join. Any thoughts on why this would be?

violet dagger Jan 2, 2022, 9:43 PM

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25 is too exotic?

unborn orbit Jan 2, 2022, 9:44 PM

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I have another network on channel 25 already but I stop Z2M before starting this new network. Wonder if it has too much noise already or something?

inner bay Jan 2, 2022, 10:47 PM

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silly question. cc2531. and zigbee2mqtt. does it only work with the lastest firmware or does it work partially with earlier versions ?

royal star Jan 2, 2022, 11:01 PM

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Why would you want to use earlier firmware on a 2531

royal star Jan 2, 2022, 11:02 PM

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violet dagger 25 is too exotic?

I use channel 26 and have had no problems

inner bay Jan 2, 2022, 11:05 PM

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im wondering if i need to re-flash it to latest cuz i don't know what firmware i have in it

inner bay Jan 2, 2022, 11:33 PM

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anyone.....is it either working or not working depending on the firmware ?

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 7:32 AM

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@royal startry to pair aqara on it 🙂

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 7:33 AM

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inner bay silly question. cc2531. and zigbee2mqtt. does it only work with the lastest firm...

work partially with old firmware, by that i mean not all devices, features are supported until you have newest firmware

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:22 AM

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To buy a tube Poe coordinator or not

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PepeHmm

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 8:31 AM

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my ikea remote fails to separate the toggle and hold toggle funktions......a result of older firmware?

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if i hold the toggle button it also sends the shoert toggle press and release

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:39 AM

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Have you tried updating it?

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 8:39 AM

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that's why i'm asking if i need to upgrade it....i have no RPi zero or a ccdebugger

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:40 AM

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What

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 8:40 AM

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to use as a flasher for the cc2531 stick

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:40 AM

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To update the remote,

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Oh

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 8:40 AM

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remote has lastest firmware

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:40 AM

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Buy something else

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DogeWink

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 8:40 AM

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what stick should i use ?

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a cc2652 ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:42 AM

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Anything cc2652 is great

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 3, 2022, 8:42 AM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 8:46 AM

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maybe go for the RPi module as i am running HA from a RPi 4

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a RaspBee II zigbee controller

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does not say what chipset it has

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 9:05 AM

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No idea, that list is what I would follow, and I wouldn't buy a rpi header thing

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 9:08 AM

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ok...i'll look around to see what can be found from that list in sweden

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ty for your help sir

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 10:20 AM

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The RaspBee is a ConBee in GPIO form

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:20 AM

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ohh ok

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avoid conbee

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i hate living in sweden.....none of the suggested adapters can be bought over the counter......need to import them

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:26 AM

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imagine living in Burundi then

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:27 AM

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that one hit the bullseye

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local store has a conbee2 stick....typical

vestal atlas Jan 3, 2022, 10:42 AM

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I don't think you can buy cc2652 usb dongle in-store anywhere.
.. acutually, you probaby can in Shenzhen 😅

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:44 AM

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yeah. was drifting towards that too

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so either wish or aliexpress

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 10:45 AM

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There's pretty much only one commercial option I know of, everything else is "hobby" creators

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:45 AM

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don't order on Wish

vestal atlas Jan 3, 2022, 10:45 AM

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you can find some from germany or around there on ebay

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:45 AM

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you might not get what you wished for

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:46 AM

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so down to mr aliexpress then

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:46 AM

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nah https://www.domadoo.fr/fr/interface-domotique/5976-sonoff-cle-usb-zigbee-30-antenne-externe-20dbm-compatible-zha-zigbee2mqtt.html?domid=O7dGCbgsc

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:47 AM

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french lol

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:47 AM

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google translate lol

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:51 AM

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i need vat and stuff

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:52 AM

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you need "vat and stuff"?

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 10:58 AM

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messy page....i misunderstood.....but i think i can find it where i don't need to sign at arrival for the package......it not i know where to buy...

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 10:59 AM

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you're a very peculiar buyer

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:02 AM

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when the p&p are almost as much as the product plus you must be att home when package arrives

dense latch Jan 3, 2022, 11:02 AM

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@inner bay According to smartlight's own website, buying their dongle from ebay solves the VAT issue
Whether or not that is true, I don't really know, but I purchased from there a couple of days ago, still waiting on package

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https://smartlight.me/smart-home-devices/zigbee-devices/zigbee-coordinator-v4-cc2652p

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:03 AM

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i was just looking at an ebay solution

dense latch Jan 3, 2022, 11:03 AM

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^ I live in Denmark so VAT scenario is very similar

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:05 AM

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nordic countries rock

dense latch Jan 3, 2022, 11:05 AM

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Indeed. importing stuff to nordic countries - not so much

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:06 AM

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maybe one should get a stock og these as smart homing is growing rapidly here

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thinking of this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/125021109983?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3D6e0491d93ddc4cd6aa7234779564c26f%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D164928826521%26itm%3D125021109983%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb%26brand%3DSonoff&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1

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shipped from hong kong tho

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conbee not 100% compatible with zigbee2mqtt ?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:12 AM

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It's officially supported, but results remain mixed

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:13 AM

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as in glitching and dropping connectivity ?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:13 AM

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As in some people have no problems, and some people have mesh related issues until they replace it

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:14 AM

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mesh ? as in coverage problems ?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:14 AM

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Mesh... zigbee mesh?

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:14 AM

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i was referring to mesh network

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:14 AM

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Yes

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TL/DR: Search the channel history for all the posts, or not, up to you. I'm just saying don't

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 11:15 AM

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but they will 😉

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:15 AM

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Yup, but that's on them

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:16 AM

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i can test the one at the local store......must surely have a money back guarantee

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:16 AM

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It's like the folks that buy from Slaesh despite being told about his lack of communication, who then complain that they've had issues and he never responds...

surprised_pikachu

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 11:16 AM

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told ya

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 11:16 AM

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Yup, well, another person to add to the list...

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:17 AM

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lol, i will buy a zigbee 3.0 ....i listen to you guys

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there....will arrive in a few eeks

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i'll stick to my cc2531 until then

vestal atlas Jan 3, 2022, 11:28 AM

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if you are buying from china you might as well order directly from sonoff https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle-plus/
Took about a month to get to Finland, but it arrived and I didn't have to deal with VAT

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:29 AM

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i got it thru ebay

dense latch Jan 3, 2022, 11:30 AM

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vestal atlas if you are buying from china you might as well order directly from sonoff https:...

I don't think ordering from China would reliably lead to no VAT, unless the store is certified and you can buy VAT directly there

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^ to follow up, it appears that specific store might be certified, so disregard my previous message

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:33 AM

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sonoff products from china works or are sheit ?

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i meant switches and stuff

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smart home stuff are still quite expensive in Sweden.....not to mention the Hue stuff lol

vestal atlas Jan 3, 2022, 11:39 AM

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Hue is really good tho. The lights dim very very low and the color temperatre ranges are very natural and wide. The motion sensors is also miles ahead of anything else

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 11:39 AM

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works towards zigbee out of the box ?

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 11:40 AM

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does anyone has any experience with zigbee2qmtt temperature_calibration option
I am interested if i want to add or subtract for example 1,2 Celsius or -1.2 Celsius how would be correct ? temperature_calibration: -1.2 OR temperature_calibration: -1,2 etc.

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 11:42 AM

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I'd guess "1.2" and "-1.2"

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But never used it

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 11:43 AM

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i think I've actually test it once with "." and it worked but not sure

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I am considering calibrate all stuff but since the UI never let's you click on the nice buttons and give u a number like 1.2

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questions rise if it acctually works

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you can calibrate from the ui but only with 1, 2, 3 etc or -1, -2 ....

steep pollen Jan 3, 2022, 1:24 PM

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Hello guys, I like to swap my Zigbee 1.2HA energy metering plugs for zigbee 3.0 ones
is that possible without loosing the history and energy dashboard data?

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 1:48 PM

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question where it resides?

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if on outlets / plugs then the answer is no

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if on home assistant then the answer is yes

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my best ques is you use ha energy dashboard that resides in ha db

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if you name new device as old one it will work without loosing nothing

elder coral Jan 3, 2022, 1:51 PM

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inner bay smart home stuff are still quite expensive in Sweden.....not to mention the Hue ...

Everything I bought from China through AliExpress was of good quality. And AliExpress has an excellent customer service in case of issues.

chilly yacht Jan 3, 2022, 1:53 PM

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Hi, can someone help me with a firmware update problem ?

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I'm using addon_core_deconz in a HA installation ... the container update itself ... but there is no way to update the firmware of the RaspBee ...

steep pollen Jan 3, 2022, 2:00 PM

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@ivory hound Got a successful swap
I renamed the entities at the core.entity_registry, removed the old plug, added the new one and renamed it to the old entities

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 2:07 PM

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i wouldn't mess up with core registry

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just remove old

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add new with the same name

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this should work ok

royal star Jan 3, 2022, 3:34 PM

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ivory hound <@!353699231774539776>try to pair aqara on it 🙂

I only have aqara devices and they work great on channel 26

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 3:48 PM

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glad to hear it then go for it

ripe herald Jan 3, 2022, 4:12 PM

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Hi! I am looking for some good door/window sensors. I have tried Wyze and now sonoff and I must say they are both useless. They loose connection and drain batteries. Would be happy to hear what other people use and battery life and stability. I have a ConBee II stick with deConz (will switch to ZHA)

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 4:14 PM

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I would say Aqara but there's a Conbee involved

covert matrix Jan 3, 2022, 4:15 PM

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aqara doesn't work with z2m ?

violet dagger Jan 3, 2022, 4:16 PM

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aqara does work with z2m !

ripe herald Jan 3, 2022, 4:21 PM

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I have the aqara cube and water sensors and they all work fine with ConBee. Are there any issues with the aqara door/window sensors with conbee?

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Will switch from conbee stick once I get the yellow.

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I have 105 devices connected on the conbee so the zigbee network should be ok (I.E Mesh and should not be a problem with distance etc.

ivory hound Jan 3, 2022, 4:52 PM

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ripe herald I have the aqara cube and water sensors and they all work fine with ConBee. Are ...

no there is a problem just with conbee 🙂

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in general

hexed pilot Jan 3, 2022, 4:59 PM

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I am using zigbee2mqtt add-in with availability set to true. the devices are added automatically, but it doesn't add an availability entity... What am I doing wrong ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:01 PM

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Should it? I'm pretty sure it just shows the device unavailable even the timeout occures

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That is what it did for me when I still used it

hexed pilot Jan 3, 2022, 5:03 PM

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@jolly narwhal Oow OK, so what you use now

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:04 PM

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I used it to trigger an automation when a light was physically turned off

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I have no need for it anymore

hexed pilot Jan 3, 2022, 5:04 PM

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@jolly narwhal so how are you sure all your devices are alive ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:05 PM

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They always work?

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I have an automation that tells me if batteries are dead if a sensor doesn't update every 12h at least

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@molten linden when is your new year's sale starting? I want a Poe coordinator PoggersHype

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:47 PM

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do i need to flash the sonoff zigbee 3.0 dongle or is it working out of the box ?

lilac wharf Jan 3, 2022, 5:48 PM

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it comes preflashed (albeit with an older firmware revision)

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:49 PM

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i've seen a lot of tasmota stuff

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i rephrase....upgrade by flashing

lilac wharf Jan 3, 2022, 5:49 PM

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what?

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:50 PM

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is it working 100% with shipped firmware or is upgrading it recommended ?

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i see everywhere they flash dongles with tasmota firmware

lilac wharf Jan 3, 2022, 5:50 PM

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it works fine with the firmware it comes with, but it's a good idea to upgrade

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:50 PM

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Upgrading is 3 minutes worth of work

lilac wharf Jan 3, 2022, 5:50 PM

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tasmota has nothing to do with this

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:50 PM

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So it should be done

lilac wharf Jan 3, 2022, 5:50 PM

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i think you're thinking of the sonoff zbbridge

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:51 PM

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and the sonoff 3.0 can be flashed thru usb-port ?

lilac wharf Jan 3, 2022, 5:51 PM

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yes

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:51 PM

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perfect

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no need for ccdebugger

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i get another x-mas sin 4 weeks then 😄

molten linden Jan 3, 2022, 5:52 PM

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jolly narwhal <@335253934954512384> when is your new year's sale starting? I want a Poe coordi...

As soon as my suppliers start offering one.

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:52 PM

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Nooooo

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I'll order one then

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angryboi

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Maybe I'll post a YouTube review

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Like and subscribe guys

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:53 PM

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what's that atx ?

molten linden Jan 3, 2022, 5:54 PM

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I have one where the network acts flakey when powered over poe but appears to work fine when powered over USB and no PoE... can work on a discount for that before I desolder all the components 😂

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:55 PM

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so it's a repeater/access point sort of ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:55 PM

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It's a ZigBee coordinator with network built in

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:55 PM

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https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_poe_coordinator/21 ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:55 PM

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No need for a pi or connecting it to a host machine

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:56 PM

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and you administer it remotely ?

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but for home assistant ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:56 PM

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Over Ethernet yes

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Via ZHA or zigbee2mqtt

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:57 PM

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so it is an integration ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:57 PM

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WhiteGuyBlinking

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:57 PM

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cool stuff on the internet of things

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:57 PM

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Are they in stock though @molten linden

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I'm close to ordering NM_DogDanceRGB

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 5:58 PM

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i could at one to cart

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if i linked the one you refer to

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85 bucks tho

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 5:59 PM

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Yes

molten linden Jan 3, 2022, 6:01 PM

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jolly narwhal Are they in stock though <@335253934954512384>

Yes I’m stock. Do have a shortage of PLA+ in white and black (though sourced a .5 kg of black yesterday)

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:02 PM

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Awzm, gonna place an order

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:02 PM

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get the not quite HA blue one 😉

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i kinda like that the information about disconnecting eth be4 connecting usb is inside the box 🙂

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should be a sticker on the bottom side

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:06 PM

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Ordered HYPERCLAP

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Can finally get rid of that ridiculous pi

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:06 PM

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send it to me

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😄

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:06 PM

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catno

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 PM

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what will you use as o/s for home assistant ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 PM

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I run ha on a Debian box

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 PM

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ubuntu ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 PM

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Ubuntu 🤢

molten linden Jan 3, 2022, 6:07 PM

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jolly narwhal Can finally get rid of that ridiculous pi

Hold on for it for a few weeks.. shipping is what it is 🤦‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:08 PM

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Yes, it will live until I get it

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DogeWink

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:08 PM

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so a dedicated laptop with debian is way better than RPi ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:08 PM

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Yes

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:09 PM

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can a debian lappie run the usb-dongle ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:09 PM

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Pi < 10yo laptop < 10yo minicomputer < modern machine < actual server

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:09 PM

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Hi, someone experience to upgrade a CC2652 stick? I have one from Slae.ch

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:09 PM

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inner bay can a debian lappie run the usb-dongle ?

Does it have a USB port, if so, yes

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:10 PM

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/help-requested-to-upgrade-slaeshs-cc2652rb-zigbee-usb-stick/374306

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:16 PM

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how do one best keep a nice look of lovelace ui ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:20 PM

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#frontend-archived would know

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:20 PM

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ohh....my bad sorry

ripe herald Jan 3, 2022, 6:24 PM

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inner bay https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_poe_coordinator/21 ?

So with that one I could dump my conbee II in the deepest ocean and use that one for my zigbee NW?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Any python enthousiast? Have MacOS Monterey. Installed Python 3.10 from https://www.python.org/downloads/. When I open terminal and type 'python' it shows me Python 2.7

ripe herald Jan 3, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Then I am jumping on a order as well.

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:25 PM

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ripe herald So with that one I could dump my conbee II in the deepest ocean and use that one...

Yes, and if you have a Poe switch you only need to connect the network cable

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:25 PM

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probably but i'm not the one answering that

vestal atlas Jan 3, 2022, 6:26 PM

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fervent tiger Any python enthousiast? Have MacOS Monterey. Installed Python 3.10 from https://...

type python3 instead

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:26 PM

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fervent tiger Any python enthousiast? Have MacOS Monterey. Installed Python 3.10 from https://...

Did you try typing python3

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Pepewhy

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:27 PM

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jolly narwhal Did you try typing `python3`

Thanks. I'm a virgin about Python... Everyone has to learn 😉

blazing trellis Jan 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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Is there anyway to get a 4th gen Echo to Zigbee pair with home assistant? I know they can't actually control each other that way, mostly just thinking about the Echos extending the range of the Zigbee mesh network.

ripe herald Jan 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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jolly narwhal Yes, and if you have a Poe switch you only need to connect the network cable

Awesome. I have a few POE switches so will be fine. Jumping on it now 🙂

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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poe switch is an eth switch with some extra features ?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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blazing trellis Is there anyway to get a 4th gen Echo to Zigbee pair with home assistant? I know...

Pretty sure they don't work like that, guessing the echo behave as a coordinator

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:28 PM

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inner bay poe switch is an eth switch with some extra features ?

It supports Poe yes

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 6:29 PM

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Power over ethernet....hence the disconnect eth be4 usb

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 6:30 PM

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DogeWink

golden vessel Jan 3, 2022, 6:33 PM

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Hey. Is there any editable (with C for example, not assembly) FW that could be flashed onto the Tradfri modules?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:34 PM

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Why do I get

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'python' is not defined```
instead of the version?

golden vessel Jan 3, 2022, 6:34 PM

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I see that someone ported the EZSP coordinator FW for those modules, so I guess it should be possible to make some custom zigbee FW to control the pins on it?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:35 PM

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fervent tiger Why do I get ```>>> python --version Traceback (most recent call last): File "...

You're trying to run python from inside Python itself...

golden vessel Jan 3, 2022, 6:35 PM

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fervent tiger Why do I get ```>>> python --version Traceback (most recent call last): File "...

get out of the python "terminal"

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:36 PM

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So I have to 'close' the terminal application? I thought Python should run in a shell (terminal). Anyway if I don't have to use terminal, how to use Python?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:37 PM

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What is the actual Zigbee related problem?

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 6:37 PM

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python3 alone launches the interpreter. You don't need the interactive interpreter, you just want to run a script

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:37 PM

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this

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:37 PM

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Sorry guys, I have no Python background. I'd like to upgrade my Zigbee USB stick...

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/help-requested-to-upgrade-slaeshs-cc2652rb-zigbee-usb-stick/374306/2

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Yesterday spend hours on Windows machine, started now on Mac but same behaviour...

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Do you have https://github.com/JelmerT/cc2538-bsl installed?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:38 PM

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I don't know how

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:38 PM

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Normally you download that to the current folder

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:39 PM

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First of all I'd like to check the Python version. Basic step... Doesn't work

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:39 PM

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python3 --version

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:39 PM

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Please see my previous post

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:39 PM

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What happens when you type that?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:39 PM

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Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
NameError: name 'python' is not defined```

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:39 PM

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facepalm

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GET OUT OF PYTHON

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You want to be at a shell prompt

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Command line, whatever your OS is

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If you're in Python then you can't run python again

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:40 PM

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For a newbie... I open terminal on MacOS and...

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:40 PM

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Type the command I specified

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:42 PM

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% python --version
Python 2.7.18
But I installed 3.10 from https://www.python.org/downloads/

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:42 PM

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python3

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:42 PM

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python3
Python 3.10.1 (v3.10.1:2cd268a3a9, Dec 6 2021, 14:28:59) [Clang 13.0.0 (clang-1300.0.29.3)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:42 PM

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However, we know you have Python 3.9.9

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Oh, now Python 3.10

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C:\Users\j.hoorde>python
Python 3.9.9 (tags/v3.9.9:ccb0e6a, Nov 15 2021, 18:08:50) [MSC v.1929 64 bit (AMD64)] on win32

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That's from your forum post

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:43 PM

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Was probably yesterday on Windows machine 😉

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:43 PM

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python3 ./cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/serial/by-id/blah-blah -evw Coordinator-file.hex

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That's what you'll need, once you've downloaded both the python script and the coordinator to the current folder

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:44 PM

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Based on https://slae.sh/projects/cc2652/#flashing I should first install pyserial and intelhex

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:44 PM

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And... have you?

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Remember you'll need pip3 rather than pip

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:45 PM

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pip install pyserial intelhex
File "<stdin>", line 1
pip install pyserial intelhex
^^^^^^^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:45 PM

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pip3

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Again, it has to be run at the terminal, not inside Python

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:45 PM

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ok

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Maybee, almost there 😉 So I installed pyserial, intelhex and https://github.com/JelmerT/cc2538-bsl . Next step should be 'Open the directory containing the python-script'... Euh...

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 6:58 PM

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That's the directory you downloaded that to

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 6:59 PM

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My Mac downloads folder contains CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
It refers to this?

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What is the JelmerT thing does?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:00 PM

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That "thing" updates the firmware on the stick

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:01 PM

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I don't have a CC2538 but CC2652R

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I didn't had to download the hex file?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:02 PM

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The hex file is the firmware

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cc2538-bsl is a tool, it works on more than just the CC2538

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python3 ./cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/serial/by-id/blah-blah -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:03 PM

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I know but don't see the relation between the hex file and the fact I had to enter the 'command':
git clone https://github.com/JelmerT/cc2538-bsl.git

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:03 PM

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sour shadow ``` python3 ./cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/serial/by-id/blah-blah -evw CC2652RB_coordin...

OK, will try

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:03 PM

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There is no relationship between the hex file and git clone

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git clone got you a tool

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You still need to use the tool

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:04 PM

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So I didn't had to download the .hex file

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:04 PM

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blink

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The hex file is the firmware

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No firmware, nothing to flash

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That's like saying because you've got an oven you don't need food to put in it to cook

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Then wondering why you're hungry

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:05 PM

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And where should I store it? It's now in the download folder. I don't have to refer to the location?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:05 PM

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Yes, you do

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It'll be easier if you put them all in the same folder

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:05 PM

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Same folder? Which folder?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:05 PM

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Any folder you want

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Doesn't matter a damn

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:06 PM

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put 'them'? The .hex file and...

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:06 PM

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The tool

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cc2538-bsl.py

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:06 PM

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The tool installed automatically by the command. Or not?

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Got after about 10 minutes 'The software is installed'

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git clone https://github.com/JelmerT/cc2538-bsl.git
xcode-select: note: no developer tools were found at '/Applications/Xcode.app', requesting install. Choose an option in the dialog to download the command line developer tools.

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I believe the developer tools are installed now...

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Sorry, I still miss the clue...

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On the Slae.ch website:
Download the cc2538-bsl.py file or just clone the repo by:
git clone https://github.com/JelmerT/cc2538-bsl.git

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--- or ---

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:10 PM

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You can just download the .py file if you don't have git

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:10 PM

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Maybe it's time to grab creds for the TI site from BugMeNot and use the TI tool

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:11 PM

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'git' whatever it means is installed now, I guess

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:11 PM

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sour shadow Maybe it's time to grab creds for the TI site from _BugMeNot_ and use the TI too...

Tried as first option but TI application doesn't recognize the stick...

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/help-requested-to-upgrade-slaeshs-cc2652rb-zigbee-usb-stick/374306/2

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I think I'm almost there no?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:13 PM

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austere patio You can just download the `.py` file if you don't have `git`

Instruct please. I'm sure I'm not the only one struggling with this. Will complete my post with instructions how to...

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:14 PM

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If you have git installed, run the git clone command to clone the repository

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The .py file will be in the cc2538-bsl folder that git clone will create

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:15 PM

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Thanks!

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johanvanhoorde@MacBook-Air-van-Johan ~ % git clone https://github.com/JelmerT/cc2538-bsl.git
Cloning into 'cc2538-bsl'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 430, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (18/18), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (16/16), done.
remote: Total 430 (delta 7), reused 8 (delta 2), pack-reused 412
Receiving objects: 100% (430/430), 155.30 KiB | 2.35 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (189/189), done.

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No idea where it is stored...

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:16 PM

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Run open . to open Finder in the current folder. Probably your home folder.

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:17 PM

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It opens my users folder and it has a subfolder cc2538-bsl

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This subfolder contains cc2538-bsl.py

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I'll move my hex file to same location

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Any idea how to discover the blah-blah 😉

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/dev/serial/by-id/blah-blah

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:22 PM

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macOS doesn't have /dev/serial/by-id/. Run ls -l /dev/cu.*, it'll be one of those serial ports.

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:22 PM

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jolly narwhal Yes, it will live until I get it

So you are switching to tube

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 7:22 PM

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Yes, I'm tired of relying on the pi

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:23 PM

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@molten linden Many thanks if you are the owner of tubeszb.com (shipping to Denmark on Saturday) 😄

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:23 PM

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jolly narwhal Yes, I'm tired of relying on the pi

Is it "bad" or just an extra device to manage for little to no gain ?

molten linden Jan 3, 2022, 7:23 PM

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That’s me 😊

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 7:24 PM

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Pis are great kids toys, but as predictable as mdns

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And added layers of os maintenance is just zzz

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:24 PM

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Any suggestion
johanvanhoorde@MacBook-Air-van-Johan ~ % python3 johanvanhoorde/cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py -p ls -l /dev/cu.* -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/bin/python3: can't open file '/Users/johanvanhoorde/johanvanhoorde/cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory
johanvanhoorde@MacBook-Air-van-Johan ~ % python3 /cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py -p ls -l /dev/cu.* -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/bin/python3: can't open file '/cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:25 PM

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jolly narwhal Pis are great kids toys, but as predictable as mdns

I would say ANY OS update can be a pain in the ass. And I run Debian on most of my servers ... Ubuntu on my desktops because lately it's not updating too badly (far cry from version 06.04 whose upgrade uninstalled the damn distro ...)

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:25 PM

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If I type open . I have the folder 'johanvanhoorde'

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:25 PM

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Let's not even talk about Windows 🤣

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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python3 /cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py -p ls -l /dev/cu.* -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WTF?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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I've been running Linux since 1998, tïnkërër has done Unix since 1968

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DogeWink

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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Start by copying the .hex file into the same folder as cc2538-bsl.py

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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sour shadow ``` python3 /cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py -p ls -l /dev/cu.* -evw CC2652RB_coordinat...

Thanks

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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Then find the actual device path

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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Fair enough I only did since 2012 or so 😆

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:26 PM

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sour shadow Start by copying the `.hex` file into the same folder as `cc2538-bsl.py`

I did

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:27 PM

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python3 ./cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/cu.SOMETHING -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
``` in that folder then will work

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Assuming you know the /dev/cu. path

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:27 PM

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But I guess every year with Gentoo counts as 2, doesn't it 😇 ?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:27 PM

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Or -2 for your SAN

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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sour shadow Assuming you know the `/dev/cu.` path

What do you tink?

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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-2 for my hair yeah 😄

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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fervent tiger What do you tink?

I have no idea what those four words are supposed to mean

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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lol

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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You do know the path to the device?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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No sorry

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

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Well, that's not helping you then

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You need to find it

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Cannot he just use /dev/serial/by-id/... ?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:29 PM

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He can use any valid path

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Seems, not I'm on mac

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:29 PM

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Finding a valid path appears to be the next struggle

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:30 PM

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I'm sure you won't give up just before the finish 😉

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:30 PM

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I meant to run ls -l /dev/cu.* in the terminal as a command, it'll tell you what serial ports there are...

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:30 PM

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Oh, I gave up on you hours ago 😉

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I'm just staying here for the entertainment

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:30 PM

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lol

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Everyone has to learn no?

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:30 PM

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Easy fix ... Boot linux liveusb/livecd and run command in proper OS ...

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:31 PM

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ls -l /dev/cu.*
crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 0x9000003 24 dec 10:13 /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Incoming-Port
crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 0x9000005 3 jan 19:52 /dev/cu.usbserial-1110
crw-rw-rw- 1 root wheel 0x9000001 24 dec 10:07 /dev/cu.wlan-debug
It's the second line

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:31 PM

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Are you sure it's not a storage device ?

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I have some flash drives reporting 1234-5678 as ID

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Just ... double check

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:32 PM

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It's /dev/cu.usbserial-1110

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Unplug it and it should disappear when you re-run that command

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:33 PM

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yep.
johanvanhoorde@MacBook-Air-van-Johan ~ % python3 ./cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/cu.usbserial-1110 -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/bin/python3: can't open file '/Users/johanvanhoorde/./cc2538-bsl.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:34 PM

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You need to run that command from the folder with that file

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I'm sure I've mentioned that a few times already 🤔

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:34 PM

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I'm not the smartest, sorry 😉

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python3 cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/cu.usbserial-1110 -evw CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
Opening port /dev/cu.usbserial-1110, baud 500000
Reading data from CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
Your firmware looks like an Intel Hex file
ERROR: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex'

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both cc2538-bsl.py and CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex are in the same folder

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:37 PM

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Well, it's not

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Otherwise it'd have found it

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:37 PM

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I can't paste a printscreen unluckaly

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:38 PM

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tada_animated

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:38 PM

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cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py is a subfolder

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 3, 2022, 7:38 PM

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Please use imgur or other image sharing web sites, and share the link here.

Image posting is blocked in most channels to discourage people from sharing text as images. Sharing text as images assumes that everybody sees the world as you do, which isn't the case. Some people are colour blind, or have visual impairment that means they can't make sense of an image of text.

slate leaf Jan 3, 2022, 7:38 PM

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Hi all, I've got a question about **ZHA **quirk ts0601_trv_sas.py . Is there a way how to implement to it local_temperature_calibration ? My TRV supports this function, I've checked that using ZIGBEE2MQTT, but this function is not available in ZHA. Unfortunately my programming skills are not good enough, so I can't do that by myself.

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:39 PM

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fervent tiger python3 cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py -p /dev/cu.usbserial-1110 -evw CC2652RB_coordin...

Maybe move the .py file one folder up

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Since the HEX file is definitively not in the same folder based on your command

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:40 PM

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Or use cc2538-bsl/CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex, since you previously copied it to the same folder as the .py file

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 7:41 PM

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austere patio Or use `cc2538-bsl/CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex`, since you previously copi...

I also thought so but @sour shadow said to run the command inside the folder where the file is

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:42 PM

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Either works

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:42 PM

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lilac parcel cc2538-bsl/cc2538-bsl.py is a subfolder

Karma. Many thanks to both of you @austere patio @lilac parcel and @sour shadow (and sorry for you, the entertainment ends here 😉 )

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:42 PM

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lilac parcel I also thought so but <@!332579266623438848> said to run the command inside the...

I was trying to keep it simple enough for Johanvh to get it working

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:43 PM

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Will update the post! So also others can profit from this 'case'

austere patio Jan 3, 2022, 7:43 PM

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Did it work?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:43 PM

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Opening port /dev/cu.usbserial-1110, baud 500000
Reading data from CC2652RB_coordinator_20211217.hex
Your firmware looks like an Intel Hex file
Connecting to target...
CC1350 PG2.0 (7x7mm): 352KB Flash, 20KB SRAM, CCFG.BL_CONFIG at 0x00057FD8
Primary IEEE Address: 00:12:4B:00:21:CC:47:C6
Performing mass erase
Erasing all main bank flash sectors
Erase done
Writing 360448 bytes starting at address 0x00000000
Write 104 bytes at 0x00057F980
Write done
Verifying by comparing CRC32 calculations.
Verified (match: 0x49cb5a2e)

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MANY MANY thanks guys !!! Without you I'll NEVER succeed !!!!

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:45 PM

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Hopefully you've learned a few things along the way 🤞

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:46 PM

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What do you tink?

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😉

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Have a look to my post soon. As I said many others hopefully can copy/paste the method

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 7:47 PM

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Yeah, I know that I was hoping for a bit much...

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😛

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 7:50 PM

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And it still works with Zigbee2MQTT ! 😉

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Coordinator revision:
20211217
Woooooooooooow

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Piece of cake

inner bay Jan 3, 2022, 7:53 PM

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in a month or so it's my turn to upgrade one

somber steppe Jan 3, 2022, 8:02 PM

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hey - I'm migrating from deconz to ZHA and I noticed that my Aqara/Xiaomi plugs registers power consumption in a different way that doesn't integrate with energy monitoring. The kwh are captured in an entity called analog_input in ZHA and it shows history as state changes instead of a line graph I previously saw. Is it possible to get Aqara plugs working with energy monitoring through ZHA?

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 8:15 PM

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https://community.home-assistant.io/t/help-requested-to-upgrade-slaeshs-cc2652rb-zigbee-usb-stick/374306/2

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Credits to @sour shadow @austere patio @lilac parcel

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 8:16 PM

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You misspelled my name 😄

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 8:17 PM

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Corrected, refresh please

lilac parcel Jan 3, 2022, 8:18 PM

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Thanks 🙂

fervent tiger Jan 3, 2022, 8:18 PM

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Once more thanks! Really appreciated

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 8:46 PM

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What about me

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I was sarcastic

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At least once

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Catblushie

hushed bridge Jan 3, 2022, 9:41 PM

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Hey all, I'm trying to ditch my Tradfri hub in favor of using a Conbee stick and ZHA. To start, I'm trying to repair the blinds in my office. I have:

Frytur Blind paired with ZHA, and I set up a group containing the blind
Tradfri Blind Remote Paired with ZHA
Range Extender paired with ZHA

From this, I can trigger automations using the tradfri remote and I can set the blind to up/down in these automations, or from a dashboard.

However, I'm trying to get it so the remote works with the blind without the hub needing to be on. For example, if there's a power outage, I'd still like these to work.

From what I've read this involves clustering, but I can't get anything to work after trying. I'm not really sure I know what I'm doing.

Has anybody set this up?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 9:41 PM

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Don't use Conbee is a good start

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DogeWink

hushed bridge Jan 3, 2022, 9:42 PM

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To be more specific, I have the conbee 2. In the ZHA integration page, it's literally the first one listed as compatible.

jovial aspen Jan 3, 2022, 9:58 PM

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they're compatible, but i think the issue is that they're problematic

hushed bridge Jan 3, 2022, 9:58 PM

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How so?

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 10:00 PM

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User reports

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 10:01 PM

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After the CC253x and the Sonoff ZBBridge they're the stick most likely to have people reporting problems

jolly narwhal Jan 3, 2022, 10:02 PM

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The legendary three

hushed bridge Jan 3, 2022, 10:02 PM

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I bought the thing yesterday because it was on the compatible page. Is there a better one I should buy? Is it an incompatibility issue? A stability issue?

I'm not sure I even know how to configure ZHA correctly, so I'm not sure if I'm having an issue with this hub or if I'm just doing dumb things on the config page.

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 3, 2022, 10:05 PM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 10:05 PM

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I mean, ZHA should work

jovial aspen Jan 3, 2022, 10:05 PM

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i know how you feel, i bought a CC2531 because it was on the compatibility page

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☹️

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 10:05 PM

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Binding is what you're after, but I don't know how ZHA does it

hushed bridge Jan 3, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Is it worth trying Zigbee2mqtt to see if it works there before I wait on a new Amazon delivery?

sour shadow Jan 3, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Nah, ZHA's support for it is more mature

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Still, if both your devices have paired, it's working

hushed bridge Jan 3, 2022, 10:12 PM

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So, when I go into my Remote's device page, I see a "Manage Cluster" menu. This has 3 sections:

Clusters which has a bunch of options including IkeaWindowCovering (out)
Device Binding which has "dresden elektronik RaspBee II"
Group Binding which has my Office Blind Group in a dropdown and a table with checkboxes for "Groups" "Identify" "IkeaWindowCovering" and more

Any idea what magic selections I should try here?

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Also, when I select IkeaWindowCovering in the first box, 2 other sectionis appear with Cluster Attributes and Cluster Commands. Not sure what these do.

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 10:44 PM

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can someone recommend a good zigbeed usb stick coordinator cc2652 based. Living in germany

obsidian sandalBOT Jan 3, 2022, 10:45 PM

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@eternal pawn Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 10:45 PM

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on amazon i find some for 40€ some for 26

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so just finde one

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of the once recommendet unter usb ?

echo sparrow Jan 3, 2022, 10:54 PM

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yes

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 11:03 PM

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anything else i need for flashing etc?

jovial aspen Jan 3, 2022, 11:08 PM

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you mean like the cc debugger for the cc2531?

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 11:08 PM

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yeah

jovial aspen Jan 3, 2022, 11:08 PM

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i don't think you need anything like that for c2651's

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 11:09 PM

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some additional hardware

jovial aspen Jan 3, 2022, 11:09 PM

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i've never had to flash mine, but i'm pretty sure you can do it over usb (happy to be corrected on this if wrong)

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 11:09 PM

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alright ty

jovial aspen Jan 3, 2022, 11:09 PM

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you defs don't need a cc debugger!

slate leaf Jan 3, 2022, 11:24 PM

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Hi all, I've got a question about ZHA quirk ts0601_trv_sas.py . Is there a way how to implement to it local_temperature_calibration ? My TRV supports this function, I've checked that using ZIGBEE2MQTT, but this function is not available in ZHA. Unfortunately my programming skills are not good enough, so I can't do that by myself.

eternal pawn Jan 3, 2022, 11:30 PM

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another zigbee noob question. As i found after paring the coordinator and the device create a unique 128-bit Trust Center Link Key. This means I cant pair one device with 2 coordinator right ? So my hue devices, which are currently connected via the hue bridge can only be connected to the bridge or the coordinator ?

golden vessel Jan 3, 2022, 11:46 PM

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does anyone know any project to make a custom device using an IKEA tradfri module? We can already flash EZSP Coordinator fw on it, so it should be possible, but I couldn't find anything except small edits to the original fw

molten linden Jan 4, 2022, 12:14 AM

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With the SiLabs EZSP sdk kit I’d think you’d be able to repurpose it however you’d like but some coding would likely be needed. There are some examples out there but they may not be current. Some recent discussion around diy sensor here https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy/discussions/867

mellow geode Jan 4, 2022, 12:53 AM

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Pretty sure "MattWestb" (GitHub) uses a chip from an IKEA lights as his coordinator: https://github.com/MattWestb/IKEA-TRADFRI-ICC-A-1-Module

jovial aspen Jan 4, 2022, 4:13 AM

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eternal pawn another zigbee noob question. As i found after paring the coordinator and the de...

You can only pair a device to one coordinator, yes

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My Sonoff zigbee 3.0 plus stick arrived! 😬

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It’s massive

smoky hornet Jan 4, 2022, 6:19 AM

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I may be a bit dense here, but is there supposed to be a windows executable to download for this zigstargw tool? https://github.com/xyzroe/ZigStarGW-MT

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Nm, they are here: https://github.com/xyzroe/ZigStarGW-MT/releases

jolly narwhal Jan 4, 2022, 6:40 AM

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jovial aspen It’s massive

https://tenor.com/view/trump-huge-huuuuuuuggggeeee-gif-5918752

jagged crypt Jan 4, 2022, 8:08 AM

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Hi,
I have some issues with Conbee 2 stick, is this the place to ask questions about it or is there a better thread?