zigbee-archived

[uneven night]

deconz addon ?

[steep pollen]

Hi guys
I finally got a LIDL Melinera christmas light strip
I think @sudden fern wrote a quirk for it last year but mine does not get one applied
Different model? Mine is the _TZE200_s8gkrkxk TS0601
Greetings

[violet dagger]

same model

https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/issues/604

[regal plaza]

Hi. Does anyone know if it is possible to change the IP of a Zigbee bridge in ZHA? I need to change Bridge to another network.

[jolly narwhal]

Sure, but you might be better off moving to ZHA or zigbee2mqtt in the end, depending on the bridge

There is no need to isolate a local controlled device

[sudden fern]

I did not

[steep pollen]

I'm not 100% sure if this will work with the ZHA integration
I changed the ip of my mediaserver and the edited the ip inside the hidden integrations config file and it worked

[violet dagger]

maybe frenck made it work with the Tuya integration

[regal plaza]

I can take a snapshot of my HA and try. But do you know what the file would be for ZHA?

[regal plaza]

Sonoff with Tasmota

[jolly narwhal]

So horrible

But still local

There is no need to isolate it

And even so you can just deny the host internet access

[steep pollen]

Samba addon
\\HA IP\config\.storage\core.config_entries

[regal plaza]

The wifi network has 2.4 and 5 which causes some instability. The separate IoT network I have here has only 2.4

[regal plaza]

During the 8 months I have it, it is working very well 😉

[regal plaza]

I'll see if I can find it here. Thanks

[crude otter]

are there any recommended outdoor zigbee temp/humidity sensors?

[jolly narwhal]

This is why you don't buy wireless ZigBee gateways

[regal plaza]

I have used these here with no problems.
https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/4000713904483.html?spm=a2g0o.9042311.0.0.39e6b90aYFa3uf
No direct sunlight or rain. But with outdoor humidity reaching 100%

[regal plaza]

Thanks

@steep pollen Thanks for the tip. Worked perfectly 😉

[pine swan]

I'm just thinking of buying some Zigbee buttons and sensors. Is Zigbee a good choice? Are there any advantages to choosing either a CC USB dongle and plugging it into my HA Pi or getting a Zigbee bridge with whichever firmware is appropriate?

[sour shadow]

Yes it is, and the best approach is a good stick, not a hub

[obsidian sandal]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '.pickyourstick' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[pine swan]

Thanks. I had been looking at CC2531 sticks. I'll look for the CC2652

Does this look like a sensible buy or should I be looking at the £40+ ones? https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Sonoff-Universal-Gateway-Antenna-Assistant/dp/B09KXTCMSC

[sour shadow]

Based on initial feedback it seems to be fine

[violet dagger]

Not at that price lol

[pine swan]

Cool thanks. I just wanted to make sure the CC2652 abd CC2652P were the same thing

[violet dagger]

Check localbytes store should be cheaper

[pine swan]

As in the £24 is too much?

[sour shadow]

Same, but different, but same

https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle-plus/

Buy direct if you're doing that

[runic thorn]

Thank you whoever summoned the bot, I was going to ask about this today.

Need to start moving things off of smartthings, getting tired of dealing with it.

[violet dagger]

Wise decision

[runic thorn]

Are there any good usbs that do both zigbee and zwave so I only need to buy one?

[violet dagger]

Nope

[runic thorn]

Figured 🙂

[sour shadow]

There's an ok one, mentioned in the bot message, but honestly if you're buying new there's no reason to buy t

[pine swan]

Has anyone in the UK ordered from ITlead? How big was the order? Did you get hit for Customs charges?

[sour shadow]

Yes, just the stick, no, took about a month to arrive

[molten linden]

not everything is a "stick" 🤪

[sour shadow]

Eh, try explaining the nuances and you just confuse people even more

[raven jewel]

I've ordered several times with various size orders and not been hit yet.

[odd mango]

hi. I have a dimmer switch, which does not switch on if insity is provided together with switch on command. Basically, if I want to switch on the light at certain intensity, I have to send two commands: one to set intensity, another just to switch on.
Is this normal, o just a nuance of this particular dimmer?

[lyric vortex]

I found what seems to be a decent z-wave usb, but can someone recommend a good zigbee usb?

[sour shadow]

[radiant steppe]

Hello, I've been told here that the best option to link a hue bulb is with z2m.
How do I pt a hue bulb in pair mode like any z2m devices ?

[sour shadow]

Find it in https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/information/supported_devices.html and follow the guidance there?

[radiant steppe]

Well, Koenk is working on a solution because TI usb devices are not working with touchlink. I'll have to use the Hue hub for now 😦

https://e2e.ti.com/support/wireless-connectivity/zigbee-thread-group/zigbee-and-thread/f/zigbee-thread-forum/1053970/simplelink-cc13x2-26x2-sdk-znp-crashing-when-executing-interpan-commands

[sour shadow]

Wrong channel

(do also read #rules about not posting long walls of text)

[violet dagger]

Your fault for using the wrong form factor

[molten linden]

if you need an extension cord for a stick more times than not 🤔 (plus I'm just being snarky today)

[cerulean abyss]

Hey tube, if I later wanted to add poe to your box stick whatever you want to call them thing, how hard would it be

[lilac wharf]

PoE splitter not an option?

[cerulean abyss]

Was wondering if a more sleek solution existed

[sour shadow]

Buy a PoE capable unit

[jolly narwhal]

[molten linden]

splitter is the way to go. the ethernet jack on the non-poe isn't compatible with PoE so even if you could get the pins to a PoE "chip" it wouldn't work.

[jolly narwhal]

[peak jasper]

I have recently (a few days now) noticed zigbee switches and bulbs sometimes failing to turn on/off when they are supposed to. I'm seeing entries like this: https://www.toptal.com/developers/hastebin/qafiyefexu.lua in my log.

I'm using zha with a hubz combo stick (but only for zigbee, not for zwave)

Using HA OS in a qemu vm on Linux, passing the USB through. I made sure nothing on the host is trying to access it.

[tropic depot]

What else is running in HA

[peak jasper]

Was that question for me? Nothing that uses USB.

[austere patio]

CRC errors are uncorrectable, somehow serial data sent from your stick is being corrupted

[jolly narwhal]

Multiple layers of virtualization plus shoddy drives can surely be a factor

It's it in a usb2 or 3 port?

[austere patio]

HUSBZB-1 uses a CP2102x from what I recall, I dunno what the virtualization situation is with that chip

[round crow]

👋 Hey everyone - been googling all day w/o any luck so I'm hoping someone here has answers! I'm trying to change the zigbee channel of my HUSBZB-1 stick using proxmox, kvm running debian.

• proxmox correctly shows USB stick under hardware. In HA it shows up under /dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyUSB1
• when i try to access the host server (that the VM runs in) /dev/ttyUSB0 doesn't work
• when I access the shell of the VM, I can only access home assistant cli and I have no idea how to access the "host" shell to be able to run bellows
• I've set channel in configuration.yaml under zha, but from reading everywhere I have to run bellows to restart the network, etc.
• I tried running bellows scan from the host shell, but /dev/ttyUSB0 says they don't exist

Am I missing anything? Thanks!

[austere patio]

I think you need to run login (maybe not) and then docker exec -it homeassistant bash to get into the HA container

After changing the channel you'll have to re-join every device

[round crow]

omg this worked! how did you discover this? i've been googling for hours and this info isn't around anywhere 😢

thank you

[austere patio]

Np. Make sure ZHA is disabled before running any tools that use the serial port, otherwise they won't work

If you're already going to delete your network, you may as well run an energy scan to find a quiet channel from the perspective of the Zigbee radio

[round crow]

that's a great idea!

is that using bellows scan -d /tty/USB1?

[austere patio]

bellows -d /dev/... scan -e -t 500 --channels 11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26

Pick the one with the most negative RSSI, but only one of 15, 20, 25

Otherwise a WiFi network can completely overlap with the Zigbee network

[round crow]

i think that's what's happening right now - my zigbee network drops like every day

i learned about wifi interference today so i want to give that a shot

[austere patio]

If you're using the default channel of 15, that shouldn't happen unless you have a WiFI network on a non-standard channel (i.e. not 1/6/11)

[round crow]

i'm assuming its been the default channel of 15 (been trying to confirm all day), my 2.4ghz wifi is on channel 1

i don't know what else it could be - it's driving me crazy having everything drop every day even with 2 always plugged in routers

[austere patio]

Have you enabled https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging to see what happens when it doesn't work?

[round crow]

yes, earlier today i did but after being down for 3 hours, it came back up and hasn't given me anything useful yet

[austere patio]

Can you post the log? Down for any amount of time is unusual

[round crow]

damn, logs are gone ever since i disabled zigbee

so i don't think i'll be able to share now, but after i scan these channels, etc ill re-enable it and see if it happens today

[austere patio]

Is your home-assistant.log file empty?

[round crow]

yes

but it wasn't earlier today when i was scrolling through it

is this command supposed to take more than 5 seconds?

i disabled ZHA from within homeassistant, then restarted the home-assistant VM in proxmox

[austere patio]

Should take about 8s

[round crow]

ok then something is hanging

[austere patio]

Try it with bellows -v DEBUG ...

[round crow]

i think my VM was hanging because i just got it to work!

[austere patio]

What do the scan results look like?

[round crow]

i think its possible to omit the channels flag btw

seems like 15 is -51

20: -86

[austere patio]

What about 25?

Do you have a large network on 15? That would impact the scan result

[obsidian sandal]

@round crow posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/yurakobuha

@round crow posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/nadujavixe

[round crow]

when you mean large network, do you mean zigbee network? i think that's the default zha channel and it only has 2 battery powered devices + 2 always-on routers (both IKEA)

[dense pilot]

Hi,
I've moved my Philips Hue Light Bulbs from the Hue Hub to the ConBee 2 (zigbee) integration. The light itself works fine, but it does not turn all lights on or off when I use a group switch. Also using a group defined by the integration does not work.
Anybody know what that problem clould be?

[round crow]

i haven't re-synced my devices but i only have 9 total

[austere patio]

Looks like 20 is a way better choice than 15

[round crow]

yeah seems like it - i'm going to try that

my husbzb stick is next to my wifi router and sonos speaker so i figured that could have something to do with it

its on an usb cable extension

my philips hue bridge works totally fine and i have like 12+ hue lights, which sits next to my linux box

[austere patio]

bellows -d ... leave and bellows -d ... form -c 20 will form a new network on channel 20

Hopefully that fixes your problem, because 3 hours of downtime is definitely unusual 😆

[peak jasper]

It's a USB 2 port. I've been using this vm configuration without issue for over a year. This problem just started recently.

[round crow]

thanks puddly! trying all of that now

damn, leave worked just fine but running form gives me an invalid value for -D --database

[austere patio]

You may have to give it a temporary one: --database /tmp/deleteme.db

[round crow]

ah yeah

it says file /root/.config/bellows.app.db does not exist

should that be pointed to home assistant's zigbee db?

[austere patio]

Sure

[round crow]

and/or will i have to delete the zigbee.db generated by homeassistant now that i've joined a different channel?

[austere patio]

The database contains basic device info so re-joining devices will be faster since the IEEE address already tells ZHA everything it needs to know about a device

You can delete it if you want, it'll look the same as it does now after you re-join everything

[round crow]

got it - i think i'll just delete it if i can

someone on some github thread said to do this: touch $HOME/.config/bellows/app.db

but ./config/bellows doesn't exist - that doesn't seem right?

[austere patio]

It'd be /root/.config/bellows/app.db, I think it requiring the database is a bug in the tool

Because I don't think it does anything with the database

[round crow]

oh ok cool

because i do see /config/zigbee.db that is in my homeassistnat folder i can link to

[austere patio]

That'd work

[round crow]

ok, i ran: bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 form -c 20 -D /config/zigbee.db

its been a couple seconds and its still running

[austere patio]

That is an unrelated glitch with the tool, you can CTRL-C it 😅

bellows -d /dev/ttyUSB1 info should tell you the current network settings and the channel

[round crow]

https://imgur.com/a/XpM9tlD

success 0?

[austere patio]

0 is usually the SUCCESS status

radioChannel=20 so you're good

[round crow]

ohhh great, thank you!

now its time to see heh

[molten linden]

in case anyone cares 🤣 popped one of the Newer Aqara E1 contact sensors and it's using this radio now vs the old NXP one. https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Telink/TLSR8258F512ET32?qs=81r%252BiQLm7BQQ77ycfYQMfg%3D%3D

[austere patio]

Their SDK is open http://wiki.telink-semi.cn/wiki/chip-series/TLSR9-Series/

[lone stag]

can i add an effect_list to a zigbee light group for a colorloop? preferably one where i can adjust the speed of the color loop

i have lidl LIVARNO LUX rgb zigbee lights

[sleek cipher]

I am trying to set up a Conbee2 stick with ZHA. I am getting stuck on the first screen when it is setting up, the circle keeps spinning. Anyone know why that may be?

[cunning viper]

What guide are you following? I just received my conbee about 30 minutes ago so I'm gonna give it a shot here soon and see if I have the same issue

[sleek cipher]

Ah swell! :)
https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha

This has quite a bit of info!

I was able to get it added, but it told me that Home assistant needs to be restarted

[cunning viper]

My impression from forums/reddit is that deconz or Zigbee2MQTT may be better. Anyone else here have a preference? I can't decide

[lilac wharf]

conbee support in zigbee2mqtt is experimental, so ZHA or deconz would be a better choice for that stick

[obsidian sandal]

For Zigbee2MQTT any CC2652p (or CC2652) based stick is a good choice. Those are also a good choice for ZHA, which also supports the EmberZNet sticks (see here for some details). Don't pick the cheap CC2530/CC2531 sticks, and avoid the Sonoff Zigbee bridge since Zigbee and WiFi aren't friends. If you're not using deCONZ avoid the ConBee and RaspBee devices.

Command '.zigbeestick' was invoked by: Tediore

[cunning viper]

so deCONZ might be the way to go I'm assuming

[sleek cipher]

I got it working with ZHA and its been fantastic so far

[thick plover]

anyone able to help me with the setup of mosquitto and zigbee2mqtt?

both are running as containers, i can log in to the mosquitto broker via mqtt explorer

just that zigbee2mqtt is sitting on 'Loading, please wait.' when I open the WebUI

[thick plover]

https://www.codepile.net/pile/VLdQlvRl

and now getting this while trying to start zigbee2mqtt after changing some of the config to what i thought would fix it.

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-12-31 14:23:20: Error: network commissioning timed out - most likely network with the same panId or extendedPanId already exists nearby

could that be because devices are trying to connect to it that were paired with my old instance?

[thick plover]

got it all working, 😄

[thick plover]

What solved the problem was turning off the Adaptive Lighting integration which was still trying to push commands to lights no longer connected to the coordinator

[gentle flint]

Should depend on the device. If connection is lost on current channel (radio moved to the new one) then device should scan all the channels for the same ext pan id and rejoins on new channel. But some devices still would need rejoining.

Theoretically, some could back the current settings, modify the channel and restore new config. If not afraid to have rejoin all the devices

[austere patio]

That was my theory as well but I have yet to actually get it to work with my network of mostly IKEA bulbs, even after power cycling them multiple times and waiting for a while 😅

[fleet lodge]

Odd question, but does anyone know where to find this guy https://e2e.ti.com/members/6199310

I swear I've seen him active in HA, Z2M or other Zigbee communities, but I don't remember which one.

[twilit narwhal]

Not true anymore... https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended

[sour shadow]

Real world experience still says it's experimental

[cursive narwhal]

Hi, i'm quite new with HAss and Zigbee and ..., after struggeling several times with flashing, connecting aso. with my Sonoff ZBBridge it has been worked yesterday and found several aqara switches.

Today i want to start with some HAss scripts but there is no reaction if clickink the switches.
If looking in -Configuration, Services i found the ZigBee Home Automation, if trying to add device and switch on the log, there ist no reaction neither in Log windows nor in the Sonoff console.
How2 debug this?

[sour shadow]

Are those actual switches, wired up and with associated switch entities? Or are those battery powered remotes?

[cursive narwhal]

battery powered

[sour shadow]

And presumably you're using events or device triggers in your automations?

[cursive narwhal]

i'm using eg. Modell:WXKG01M Xiaomi Switches (worked yesterday), i've not done any automation yet

[sour shadow]

ZHA uses events (or device triggers) for remotes

There's no entities that'll change state/react, nothing to log

[cursive narwhal]

Crab, after rebooting HAas it wokred again

Sorry, should be the first step

[sour shadow]

The ZBBridge isn't awesome, it's entirely possible that comms with it failed

[cursive narwhal]

But i has to reboot HAas on my pi4 not the ZBBridge, this worked with no Problems the last weeks with FHem and solo

[sour shadow]

Yeah, the communication with the ZBBridge is known to be problematic - it's down to the chipset that it uses, and the fact that it's on WiFi

This is why it's not recommended (by anybody that actually has a clue, lots of idiots recommend it)

[cursive narwhal]

is there a stable way to use zigbee devices?

[sour shadow]

Yes, something that's not that 😄

[obsidian sandal]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

Command '~pickyourstick' was invoked by: Tinkerer

[sour shadow]

If you really want something network connected there are some Ethernet connected CC2652 based devices, sold by Tube

The combination of wired and a different chipset means those are fine

[cursive narwhal]

Thx, not so easy 🙂

maybe i give Phoscon RaspBee II a try

[sour shadow]

🤨

Please do read the bot message

[cursive narwhal]

Ok, Thx, i'll find something delivered in Germany
At least one other Question, could you point me to a Documentation about using Docker (HAss @real iglooi4)

[sour shadow]

Do you mean the HA Container install method?

https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi#install-home-assistant-container

[cursive narwhal]

No, i've installed a ready image with HA Container in Docker. But i've no idea how to access the Docker environment. e.g. SSH or something else

[sour shadow]

Ready image?

That sounds like you're actually running #330990055533576204

Do you have add-ons and a Supervisor?

[cursive narwhal]

yes

[sour shadow]

Then you don't have HA Container

You have Home Assistant OS

#330990055533576204 can help you further, but largely no Docker for you

[cursive narwhal]

Great, thx, so i misunderstood the guide https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi

thx4the advice

[sour shadow]

There are three guides on that page

[cursive narwhal]

yes, now , at least, i got it

[quaint belfry]

hi guys

can someone help me?

i have bought new zigbee (3.0) lights from aliexpress

it is not supported, so I want to support it. But i cant find the "ZigbeeModel".

it only came with one tiny paper

[violet dagger]

zigbeemodel is shown when trying to pair it

[quaint belfry]

and there is nothing on there. Also nothing on bulb

device type?

https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/qRKG6fx6QJT73wz

there is the screenshot

[violet dagger]

see that line saying: Zigbee Model... that's ZigbeeModel

[quaint belfry]

oh i see

ghaha yeah

Need coffe

[violet dagger]

your issue would be the Zigbee Manufacturer is missing from that Zigbee Model fingerprint

[quaint belfry]

but whats the differnt between zigbeeModel and model?

[violet dagger]

so just add another line to the converter

[quaint belfry]

oke oke

thats fast. I do not understand

[violet dagger]

model is manufacturer's designation for that device, zigbeemodel is required by zigbee spec

[quaint belfry]

Ok that sounds correct

but where should i enter the new line?

[violet dagger]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/advanced/support-new-devices/01_support_new_devices.html#instructions

[quaint belfry]

yeah, thats what i am trying to do now

[violet dagger]

that wasn't obvious from your beginner level questions

[quaint belfry]

i am good in other stuff

this is new to me

confused with model and zigbeemodel

also because of the "." dot in the zigbeemodel, looks like concatination to me, and dont see that coming back in my zigbeeModel

[violet dagger]

i don't know where you see dots

here's an example on how its done https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-herdsman-converters/pull/3031/files

[quaint belfry]

in the example it says on the zigbeeModel "lumi.sens"

[violet dagger]

seems you know other stuff too much and draw your own false conclusions

[quaint belfry]

i think so

new to this

[violet dagger]

zigbeemodel can have any character in it

[quaint belfry]

ah oke

thats on crapy example then. lol

[violet dagger]

maybe for you, worked perfectly for me

[quaint belfry]

yeah vair enough

[vestal atlas]

oh, sonoff really seem to be stepping up their zigbee game. Looks like the will release their button, motion sensor, temp sensor, contact sensor & bridge all using cc2652 😮

https://www.digiblur.com/2021/12/new-sonoff-zigbee-bridge-and-sensors.html

they didn't seem to get the issue with wifi coordinators tho 😅

[knotty saffron]

Hello. Is it right place for cc2531 troubleshooting?

[violet dagger]

chip used in sensors is irrelevant if it keeps on draining batteries

[jolly narwhal]

Best advice is to get rid of it

[violet dagger]

turn it into a router and buy a CC2652x... troubleshooting done

[jolly narwhal]

[sour shadow]

1. Buy CC2652
2. Replace CC2531
3. Yeet CC2531

[knotty saffron]

Nice.

[jolly narwhal]

[knotty saffron]

But it was ok several years , untill my friend ask me if I could try his stick , because it doesn't work for him. It didn't work for me also, and I reconnected my adapter and now it doesn't work too

Output of ls -l /dev/serial/by-id gives me a adapter

But it isn't found by the addon i think

[knotty saffron]

I restarted, server, then the host also. Didn't help. I restored last backup and it helped

[quaint belfry]

@violet dagger i am really close

[vestal atlas]

It'll be a world of difference. They will go from using silabs to ti, so it'll use zstack now. Hopefully that'll resolve issues people have had with the devices.

[quaint belfry]

beginning to get it

expect for the last line

in the example. it says: exposes:

how do i know what it exposes? i dont have other devices which do the same where i can see the value's

i am now using a wallplug

so i nknow it is a switch and exposes a boolean

"true/false, on/off"

in the example i can see that this time it uses properties (concatination) like e.temperature()

i checked documentation for exposes of a switch, but it does not say from what object

link for screenshot: https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/mLkeABCGwHzRMf2

[cursive narwhal]

I'm using a not very stable IMO Sonoff ZBBridge.
Now, after advise from Tinkerer, i studied many CC2652 devices, but found no delivered from/to Germany.
Are there any recommendation for a replacement of the Sonoff ZBBridge? i would prefere a Raspi Shield not usb stick or a network connected bridge.

[last ruin]

Can I reset the kWh meter on a Develco SPLZB-131 power plug? Using deCONZ.

[sour shadow]

https://www.tubeszb.com/shop/coordinators/2

[jovial aspen]

isn't slaesh in germany?

[sour shadow]

Yes

As long as you don't run into any issues you'd be fine buying from them

[jovial aspen]

i had to wait one thousand years for my stick to be delivered

but it came eventually

[sour shadow]

Communication isn't something he's capable of apparently, so if you have any problems you're largely out of luck

[cursive narwhal]

Ok, saw tubes store, but since there is no impressum and no delivery info ...

[violet dagger]

what an amateur

[obsidian sandal]

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[sour shadow]

There's delivery info once you start working through the process

[jovial aspen]

my sonoff zigbee 3.0 plus arrived in the country a few days ago!

now for it to meander its way up to Brisbane from Sydney

[compact haven]

ahh, i hope it arrives soon

do you have any experience with zigbee2mqtt?

[sour shadow]

Lots of people do, but the wall you posted has no relevant errors

It would appear to be running

[compact haven]

I know, thats why i'm stuck.

The log just ends there

[sour shadow]

What makes you think it isn't running?

[compact haven]

Well if i go to the frontend, the devices page keeps saying 'Loading, please wait' and i don't see any zigbee service spinning up

Where can i check if it is actually working

I have a philips hue living iris that i want to touchlink (because I have no remote). but it never detects a device

Do I have to define an adapter ?

I'm walking through the pages and now I can see the message when I try to scan for touchlink
Request 'zigbee2mqtt/bridge/request/touchlink/scan' failed with error: 'SRSP - AF - interPanCtl after 6000ms'

[sour shadow]

ISTR there's issues with Touchlink and CC2652 based sticks

[lilac parcel]

Hi. Is there any updates with ZHA and Conbee II dongle ? I see backups are not supported and since (at least part of) the device database is stored on the Conbee II itself, if that fails, then I will have to re-pair all my 40+ devices. Isn't there anything that can be done, e.g. Windows offline backup or something like that (not ideal, since manual, but better than wasting days re-pairing all devices) ? Thank you

[compact haven]

https://tenor.com/view/itcrowd-reboot-gif-4770974

just got it to work by unplugging and plugging the usb dongle

I'm stupid

[sour shadow]

It is incredibly rare for a coordinator to fail. If it does it's probably because the entire computer went up in smoke due to a lightning strike.

That said see #zigbee-archived message

[lilac parcel]

@sour shadow I tried to follow https://gist.github.com/EverythingSmartHome/990f2436608fd347cd20cf0009b5cef4 but it's timing out when trying (?) to connect

[sour shadow]

Ok?

Why not follow the link I posted instead?

You don't even say which of the many commands you ran though

[lilac parcel]

Indeed, your link maybe more recent or have more packages. I am trying in a virtual environment and will let you know, thanks 🙂

[sour shadow]

Well, I provided that link because it's relevant to your question. I have no context for the random link you tagged me against

I'm pretty sure though that's for the TI sticks, not ConBee

[lilac parcel]

The link you provided cites an example with DeconZ. But when I try to run the commands, I get
Building wheel for pycryptodome (setup.py) ... error
ERROR: Command errored out with exit status 1:
(and a lot of extra red lines)

[sour shadow]

Well, that's a pull - as in not yet merged

This pull request is still a work in progress

What those red lines are is probably relevant

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[lilac parcel]

https://www.codepile.net/pile/mNGPZbgB

Might be that I miss gcc inside the docker container. About pycryptodome not sure if that is the new or the deprecated package. I remember some issues with Saltstack / Gentoo back then

[sour shadow]

Those commands aren't run inside Docker

[lilac parcel]

OK so that's different compared to the link I posted

Thanks for clarifying

OK now it's running correctly

But it's only some network key etc that are on the device itself then, not the device list ?

*zigbee device list I mean (40+ devices)

[jovial aspen]

so just how bad are the sonoff zigbee wifi bridges?

CC2531 bad?

[sour shadow]

Bad, and worse

[jovial aspen]

oh dear

[sour shadow]

[jovial aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-bear-oh-bother-gif-15756338

i just helped a mate flash one with z2t and set it up with ZHA

🤦‍♂️

[sour shadow]

For Zigbee2Tasmota they're not totally shit, since the brains is local to the stick

Z2M is pretty limited though, so I doubt anybody would notice

[jovial aspen]

oh well if it sucks too bad i'll give him my sonoff 3.0 plus when it arrives

[jolly narwhal]

2531 is fine as a router

[quaint belfry]

he

trying to add a unsupported device (lumi doorsensor

i succesfull added the sensor, but it is not working

i dont know whats shoud be insede the "fromZigbee: [],

i put in [on_off]

https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/FeRf5FepoBK3a3W

can someone help me?

[lilac wharf]

Interesting. That must be very recent then

[jolly narwhal]

A few weeks ago

But..... "Other"

Is just a more political correct term for "please don't"

[quaint belfry]

what line should this be. How to obtain this information

[sudden coyote]

Does ZigBee Green power work with binding? I found this in a white paper on end devices Vs green power, but I'm not 100% sure on what it implies:

all other networking and support-related aspects, like routing and binding, are offloaded to the Zigbee backbone network.

I want to make sure the lights work even if HA is down

[feral rivet]

@sudden coyote - on another note - what Zigbee adaptor are you using for getting Green Power support?
I learned the hard way Sonoff USB 3.0 + ZHA does not..

[sudden coyote]

Currently using ZigBee2MQTT. I haven't got any green power devices yet which is why I'm asking. I'm using a Conbee, but the Z2M docs seem to suggest that some router devices (e.g. hue bulbs) can do the green power translation

[jolly narwhal]

Green power on already battery operated and 5w bulbs

[sudden coyote]

I'd love to just avoid green power altogether, but wired smart switches for controlling ZigBee bulbs just don't exist here in the UK. And using batteries for a light switch is just.....

[strong falcon]

I recently bought a ConBee II, and testing out if I should replace my Ikea hub to control Trådfri bulbs. First test is that the response time for the switch is a lot longer, and dimming looks like stepwise instead of linear. From what I read before buying the ConBee II, I expected same or better response time for the switch. I'm running HA in Docker on an nuc, so HA resources should not be a problem. (i5/Ubuntu), and set up Zigbee using ZHA.

[jolly narwhal]

All my lights are ZigBee and are controlled by either battery operated devices or time, can't say I have any issues, 3 years and replaced two batteries so far, on 40 or so battery devices

[feral rivet]

I havent had a lot of good luck with the ConBee stick in a Unraid based HAssos VM, so went with the Sonoff stick - works a lot better, but no Green Power

[jolly narwhal]

Conbee isn't... Great

[molten linden]

Ship from the US anywhere. $15 for international shipments. 1-4 weeks delivery. (You are resp for import taxes/duties)

[cursive narwhal]

thx

[covert matrix]

hey , can any1 hook with me a good guide to flush tuya ir blaster with tasmota ?

[sudden coyote]

I don't disagree :') but it works fine for my small network and gave me options with ZHA/ deconz/ Z2M when starting out. Will almost certainly change it for the new Sonoff stick soon

[sour shadow]

#diy-archived may be able to - it's not very Zigbee related

[sudden coyote]

Sure, the battery options will work fine and will probably be what I pick, but seems ridiculous to use batteries when there's power right behind it :')

[covert matrix]

alrighty

[strong falcon]

I wasn't unhappy with the Ikea gateway, I just wanted to have one less device (not counting a USB stick as a separate device), but I'm kind of preparing for buyin more Zigbee devices.

[jolly narwhal]

We haven't used light switches for two years now, they are just on 24/7

[covert matrix]

another question about zigbee lights , i have several types of light bulbs, some rgb e27 some gu10 and another single e27 but its not rgb

only the single light is a repeater rest are not

any way to tell before you buy ? or someone have a list of those who repeat the signal and those who dont ?

[sour shadow]

Generally each brand is a known entity

Sengled are known to not be routers

Almost every other brand is

[covert matrix]

got those and they are not
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003097642075.html?spm=a2g0o.9042311.0.0.498e4c4dST3P1V

weid

[sour shadow]

Tuya...

Yeah, Tuya like Sonoff is who the hell knows what they were smoking

[covert matrix]

any recommended zigbee brands i should look for ?

[sour shadow]

For what?

[covert matrix]

bulbs

[sour shadow]

Hue

Ikea

Innr

Sengled

[covert matrix]

thanks, noted

[lilac parcel]

Why not? The main issue I had was the backup, but Tinkerer pointed me in the right direction. Furthermore pairing devices is sometimes a pain, especially IKEA switches/etc, but not sure if that is the Conbee or just the device being *******

[jolly narwhal]

Because most users who have issues

Have a Conbee

[lilac parcel]

Alright, what would you recomend then ? I also read bad stuff about the Sonoff 3.0 Zigbee stick (firmware issues), also the CC2531 only seem to handle well a few devices, not 40+

[obsidian sandal]

Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference causing stability/reliability issues), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

Finally, the ConBee range are fine with deCONZ, but experience with ZHA and Zigbee2MQTT appears to be mixed.

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[jolly narwhal]

[sour shadow]

The CC2652 has issues, sure, but it's also getting regular firmware updates and things get fixed

[jolly narwhal]

I had a cc2531, threw it out after 2 days

Bought a cc1352

Then a zzh

[lilac parcel]

So CC2652 based include the CC2652P (Sonoff Zigbee 3.0 dongle) ?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes, although I will probably never buy a sonoff product

[lilac parcel]

Which one would you rather reccomend 🙂 ?

I just bought a bunch of sonoff wifi switches, but will of course flash Tasmota on them

[jolly narwhal]

Zzh / tube are the good options currently

[fast quiver]

Anyone had any luck with Innr light bulbs on zigbee2mqtt? This one: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/RB_265.html is coming up unsupported. I Have two of them and they are both coming up unsupported.

I have moved my gateway directly under the bulb with no luck =/

is there a quirk or something? do i need to create a custom converter to get it to pick it up?

[neat pulsar]

so would you recommend https://shop.electrolama.com/collections/usb-rf-sticks/products/zzh-multiprotocol-rf-stick or https://www.tubeszb.com/product/cc2652_coordinator/39?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=false&category_id=2 or anything else ?

[sour shadow]

Both are good, and both sellers have excellent customer service

[lilac parcel]

Any retailers in EU ?

The Tube looks especially cool. If you get the Ethernet version, can you still use USB for data communication then? Or it's only for debugging in that case ?

I would be interested to buy it but paying +50% in taxes/duties is a lot 😦

[strange shuttle]

Hi guys, can anyone explain to me how to read the zigbee network map, using ZHA

like what does a red line with a number on it means

[inland coral]

“The Zigbee coordinator will be represented by a rectangle at the top. Any device that serves as Zigbee router (usually all devices running on Mains electricity / grid power) will represented as ovals, and Zigbee end-device (usually battery powered sensors) will be represented by as circles.

The lines between those representions show all the possible paths through Zigbee mesh. Any path with a LQI over 192 is shown as green, LQI 129-192 is shown as yellow, and anything 128 and lower is shown as red.”

[vestal atlas]

https://slae.sh/projects/cc2652/

[strange shuttle]

@inland coral Thanks, so the higher the number = the better signal?

[inland coral]

Yes. Red=bad 😄

[strange shuttle]

rofl, well time to get me some routers

[lilac parcel]

Thanks, I assume this is for the ZZH, right ? I would've preferred the Tube actually 😄

[severe linden]

has added ZIGBEE to home assistant! 😎

[sour shadow]

That's not the ZZH, that's another seller, one known to have zero communication skills

[violet dagger]

its more of an "order and pray" type of service

[lilac parcel]

The Tube is the more "ready to deploy" as far as I see, more rugged. Not sure how much I really need ethernet, but I would definitively like the flexibility of it, e.g. moving to a more central location

[lilac parcel]

Do you know if the Tube can be backed up with e.g. zigpy ?

[jolly narwhal]

No idea, zigbee2mqtt backs up on every boot afaik

I've moved my stick around between three different machines over three years

Never had issues

[lilac parcel]

I'm currently using ZHA, not sure if that's compatible though

(with zigbee2MQTT)

[jolly narwhal]

It is two different integrations

One is part of ha

One is not

[lilac parcel]

But is it easy to migrate from ZHA to zigbee2MQTT

?

And what additional benefits does zigbee2MQTT bring ?

[jolly narwhal]

Decoupling

Running zigbee2mqtt somewhere else than in my garage DC

And multiple instances of ha can access the same ZigBee network

[lilac parcel]

OK :o. So you also have multiple coordinators ?

[jolly narwhal]

No

[lilac parcel]

Alright, Just ordered 2 x Tube with Ethernet

Hope this will support the maker a bit 🙂

[severe linden]

Did I.... did I pick a bad time to switch to zigbee? I'm looking for bulbs...and the options are...not encouraging. Or is this just another supply chain shortage issue?

[austere patio]

See https://github.com/zigpy/zigpy-cli/pull/2

[lilac parcel]

Thank you, managed to solve using tips from @sour shadow (same link as mentioned by you).

[austere patio]

Were you able to test the Conbee backup with a second coordinator?

Or did just the backup itself succeed?

[lilac parcel]

The backup succeeded, although it's just a ~30 lines JSON file with network configuration. The list of zigbee devices / database must be stored somewhere else (probably on homeassistant itself)

[austere patio]

The Conbee specifically does not store any device info

[lilac parcel]

Lots of DEBUG messages but no ERROR as far as I could see

[austere patio]

Great, thanks for testing it

[lilac parcel]

No worries, thank you for writing it 😉

Now the question is whether you can migrate from zha to zigbee2mqtt easily without having to re-pair everything :S

[austere patio]

With a Conbee or with another adapter?

[lilac parcel]

Right now I'm on Conbee II until the Tube arrives

[austere patio]

Z2M will be missing its equivalent of ZHA's zigbee.db so it will have to somehow re-initialize every device. I think it does that for unknown devices if you enable joins and just let the network run for a while.

Is your Conbee running a recent firmware? The backup should contain a non-zero frame_counter value.

Every time you send packets that number is incremented so if you restore a backup that's too old, other devices will not like that the counter rolled back. It's best to perform a backup right when you're doing the swap, to ensure it doesn't roll back.

[lilac parcel]

frame_counter is 0

[austere patio]

Looks like you'll need to update the Conbee firmware, they only allowed it to be read in recent versions

[lilac parcel]

Damn it

[austere patio]

Or you can just replace it with 5000000 and hope it's high enough 😆

[lilac parcel]

First I must manage to setup Zigbee2MQTT anyway. Right now I'm getting a 502 Bad gateway error, surely I'm missing some configuration

[lilac parcel]

I just tried to update Conbee using DeconZ docker image but I get this
device /dev/ttyACM1 not found
Even though the device is correct and correctly mapped ...

[austere patio]

You can update it without the Docker image if you use GCFFlasher_internal

[lilac parcel]

Yeah but then I need to install deconz

[austere patio]

Unfortunately yes

What platform are you using?

It may be possible to just extract the binary out of the .deb package

[lilac parcel]

Raspbian on Raspberry PI 4 (64 bit)

[austere patio]

Nvm, doesn't work, it's not statically linked

How are you running the Docker image?

I have something like /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden*-if00:/dev/ttyACM0 in my docker-compose file and it works for me

[lilac parcel]

Nah I removed it. I'm really not familiar with docker. It didn't like (and neither GCFFlasher_internal running directly on the host) the /dev/serial/by-id/...., and Docker didn't like the direct /dev/ttyACM1 either. It complained it didn't exist

Seems to have worked by flashing directly on the host

But now zigpy crashes

WARNING No response to 'Command.read_parameter' command with seq id '0x02'

[austere patio]

You may have to unplug the Conbee and plug it back in after flashing the firmware

Or run the command again

[lilac parcel]

Funny running the command again worked

Exactly

😄

"frame_counter": 1111739

Now it's saying something at least

Now on to fix Zigbee2MQTT. Is it "normal" that it's such a struggle to configure ?

[austere patio]

Not too sure, I haven't tried running it in a while. Does it not have debug logs that tell you what error it's having?

[sour shadow]

The add-on is more complicated to configure than the native install

[lilac parcel]

Not very explicitly. Now I restarted Raspberry PI. I see this as the main possible culprit

INFO: MQTT credentials not configured, trying to auto-discovering ...

[lilac parcel]

You mean compared to ZHA or compared to Zigbee2MQTT on a non-docker install ?

[sour shadow]

Compared to not-the-add-on

[lilac parcel]

Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-12-31 19:56:09: Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

[austere patio]

What adapter are you trying to use it with?

[lilac parcel]

Conbee

[sour shadow]

Did you tell it that?

[austere patio]

You have to specify the adapter type in the config file, otherwise it assumes it's a TI coordinator, which it isn't

[lilac parcel]

I pointed Zigbee2MQTT to /dev/serial/by-id/....

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended

[lilac parcel]

Aaaah

[sour shadow]

Yup, the docs ... the downfall of many a person

[austere patio]

I think Z2M will also erase the Conbee's network settings, not sure if it does that with non-TI adapters

So you may have to copy the network information into the advanced section in its config file

[lilac parcel]

I am quite confused because the is MQTT config, Zigbee2MQTT config and I think I saw configuration in 2 other places

The "advanced" section seems to be already quite well populated

[sour shadow]

You need to configure Z2M to tell it about your broker, and how to authenticate to it

[lilac parcel]

Not necessarily correctly though

[sour shadow]

https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/configuration/mqtt.html

The add-on tries to be smart

[lilac parcel]

Somehow I'm confused

You have addons -> Zigbee2MQTT configuration -> edit "file"

And file editor -> zigbee2mqtt -> configuration.yaml

but it's not the same file

Because I set adapter: deconz but it's not being taken into account into the "other one"

[sour shadow]

Yeah, the add-on is a pain in the ass

[lilac parcel]

So what do you use then, ZHA ?

[sour shadow]

No, I use Zigbee2MQTT running in Docker, natively, without any Supervisor nonsense

[lilac parcel]

Isn't "Supervisor" just a tool that deploys the Docker image and manages its configuration, in essence ?

[sour shadow]

Yes, but the add-ons come with sprinkles of unicorn 💩 - as you're finding

(the Supervisor is basically like K8s, it's a Docker manager, and handles device pass-through and other stuff that I'm perfectly capable of doing myself, thank you)

[jolly narwhal]

[lilac parcel]

😄

Well I'm not that capable with Docker to be honest, but if there is not another way around it :/

[jolly narwhal]

#449717345808547842 life

[austere patio]

DEBUG=zigbee-herdsman* npm start is all you need

[lilac parcel]

But maybe it's better that I wait until I get the Tube controller though, not that I have to re-re-pair all devices

[lilac parcel]

Where am I even supposed to run this command ?

I'm largely confused with all the docker containers currently running on my raspberry pi ... There must be like 10 containers for home assistant and addons 😆

[austere patio]

It's if you directly want to run Z2M without a container

(Not that I'd seriously recommend it but it's a whole lot easier for testing)

[violet dagger]

if you're running haos its best not to ask questions about things running underneath

[lilac parcel]

😮

I get this error by trying to run npm in what I believe to be the zigbee2mqtt container

npm ERR! enoent ENOENT: no such file or directory, open '/package.json'

zigbee2mqtt/zigbee2mqtt-aarch64:1.20.0-1

[violet dagger]

the joys off addons, where nothing is in the officially documented path

[lilac parcel]

So what is the solution then ?

[violet dagger]

#330990055533576204 could know

[lilac parcel]

OK I tried to ask there, thanks.

[lilac parcel]

The logs are really not that helpful though

[lilac parcel]

If I run your command from /app/node_modules/ I get (node:1115) UnhandledPromiseRejectionWarning: Error: ENOENT: no such file or directory, open '/app/data/configuration.yaml'

But I'm not sure if it's the right path where I run the command

[hardy crane]

what exactly is your error based on the logs from the addon?

the addon makes a /zigbee2mqtt folder in your /config folder

do you have that folder if so, is there a valid configuration.yaml file there (this should have the same info as the info you put in the addon config page and some extra)

[lilac parcel]

/paste

What was the pastebin-like service ?

[jolly narwhal]

/cut

[obsidian sandal]

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[lilac parcel]

Thanks 🙂

[jolly narwhal]

I prefer HATEBIN

[lilac parcel]

https://www.codepile.net/pile/mVLQXBAD

[jolly narwhal]

But even better cat your.file | nc termbin.com 9999

[lilac parcel]

From log file: https://termbin.com/by0p

From DEBUG="..." npm start -> https://www.codepile.net/pile/4ja8bXPQ

And /usr/share/hassio/homeassistant/zigbee2mqtt/configuration.yaml contains roughly the same information as the web configuration editor

[austere patio]

Does /app/data/ exist in the container?

[lilac parcel]

No. Not sure why. Mapping issues maybe ?

[austere patio]

Seems like it

[lilac parcel]

I have /app/package.json, /app/lib, /app/node_modules and some other files

[austere patio]

How are you starting the container?

[lilac parcel]

Well ... I'm not ... Home Assistant is starting it

[austere patio]

So you're using the addon?

[lilac parcel]

yes

[austere patio]

You shouldn't be running npm stuff in the addon container, I only mentioned it if you're trying to run Z2M directly after git clone-ing the repository

[lilac parcel]

ah

Then I'm really lost

I thought about setting up stuff this weekend but maybe better to wait until I get the Tube controller. I will have to repair 40+ devices anyway apparently 😦

[jolly narwhal]

Try the same operation on a pure Debian host either with zigbee2mqtt natively or in a docker container

[lilac parcel]

So without the addon ? I'll need to setup another raspberry pi for that test

[jolly narwhal]

I always forget other people don't have six systems ready to test stuff

[lilac parcel]

Oh no i have many systems, problem is in the middle of renovations and after a moving there are not many systems that are ready and easy to find 😄

[hardy crane]

@lilac parcel slightly confused with what you're doing

you have HAOS if I'm getting that right

so you have addons

but then you're mentioning /usr/share/...

also none of the log files look like logs of the addon

[lilac parcel]

I got confused already during the install to be honest ... I guess it's supervised, because it was installed on top of raspbian / raspberry pi os

[jolly narwhal]

So unsupported too then

[hardy crane]

then it's supervised

[jolly narwhal]

[hardy crane]

that could be why you're having the issues

make a pastebin of the addon's configuration tab

and a pastebin of the addon's log tab after you restart it and wait for all the logs to show up

[lilac parcel]

https://www.codepile.net/pile/6m13EpnW

Log https://www.codepile.net/pile/YLE2Mx0o

Well if I need to reinstall everything that could also be done IMHO, I just would like to "port over" the main configurations, not having to reconfigure everything from scratch

[quaint belfry]

hi, how can i obtain the missing information for an unsupported device?

https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/ekNxYctZj2Ywiq2

[hardy crane]

then maybe better to make a backup of your instance and install HAOS and restore your backup there and see if it's still failing

I have tried Z2M with a Conbee in HAOS to see if it worked and it's loading up fine

[lilac parcel]

I don't like this Windows-like approach of reinstalling everything every time though

😄

[hardy crane]

anything will be better than running an unsupported installation which might be causing a problem no one would know

[lilac parcel]

The main thing that pushed me away from HAOS was, IIRC, the fact that I couldn't install or use ssh (or it was "unsupported") as well as custom applications (I use saltstack to manage my systems)

[hardy crane]

you said you have other machines. You can run salstack there to manage your systems. If you mean to manage HAOS the point of it is it's managed for you

there is ssh there are ssh addons. Probably were doing something that couldn't be done 😅

if you want full management should just use containers

[lilac parcel]

Yes but I mean to deploy e.g. network configuration, files, add users etc using saltstack. At the moment everything is down, still trying to setup everything after the move ...

[lilac parcel]

Except I'm not familiar with Docker at all. I just used Proxmox VE with mostly KVM and a few LXC containers ...

[quaint belfry]

in proxmox

make a debian vm

install docker for debian vm:

 sudo apt-get update
 sudo apt-get install \
    ca-certificates \
    curl \
    gnupg \
    lsb-release

curl -fsSL https://download.docker.com/linux/debian/gpg | sudo gpg --dearmor -o /usr/share/keyrings/docker-archive-keyring.gpg

echo \
  "deb [arch=$(dpkg --print-architecture) signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/docker-archive-keyring.gpg] https://download.docker.com/linux/debian \
  $(lsb_release -cs) stable" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list > /dev/null

apt update

sudo apt-get install docker-ce docker-ce-cli containerd.io

and there you have docker installed on your vm

you can see docker as a "vm"

[lilac parcel]

Well I understood it's an evolution of LXC that can also run on Windows

[quaint belfry]

only it is a pre install vm (image)

[lilac parcel]

I am just unfamiliar with the command line. Only know "docker ps / start / stop / rm" 😄

[quaint belfry]

docker logs $containerName

docker inspect %containerName

thats a good start

[lilac parcel]

Thanks

[quaint belfry]

i guess your know to linux?

where containerName is the name of your container

[lilac parcel]

On my raspberry pi however I cannot even find where docker config files are stored :o. Doesn't seem to be in the "standard" paths

[quaint belfry]

where your from?

thats where docker inspects comes around

normaly everything you want is already inside the container (image)

[lilac parcel]

I am familiar with Linux and programming. Been doing that for more than 15 years. But these latest changes of technologies (e.g. docker) I never personally had to deal with

[quaint belfry]

so what happends when the image goes corrupted or something

[lilac parcel]

Yeah you just redownload it

[quaint belfry]

you want the data still on your system. Problem is, its inside the container

[lilac parcel]

Separate data and "system that can easily be reinstalled from the internet"

[quaint belfry]

so when you want data to be preserved for many reasons, you can bind a local path(directory) from the host to a path (directory) inside the container

yeah thats pretty much it

with the command "docker inspect homeassistant" (where homeassistant is a docker container name) you can check these volume (path) binds from host to inside container

the container is also a linux container (this can be ubuntu, debian, alpine or what ever)

[lilac parcel]

Yes. It's a bit similar to how also cloudinit, terraforma, ... infrastructure managers work. Define config and where to get some custom files, then deploy a standard image from the internet

[quaint belfry]

yes, kubernetes is more of the same

but if you install home assistant on a raspberry, and you have got a Raspberry pi4

then i recommend installing docker and then home assistant

[lilac parcel]

I have a PI4 with 8GB RAM

[quaint belfry]

you can install the predefined image from home assistant, but i fu**ing hate it, because cli is not what it should be

for people that dont work with linux its okay, but if your known to linux, you will pull your hair out

are you from the netherlands?

i think England

[lilac parcel]

No Denmark :D. Why ?

Why England 😄 `

[quaint belfry]

i made a guide how to install this

[lilac parcel]

?

[quaint belfry]

silverstone

it's a circuit

in England

[lilac parcel]

Aaah I don't like to give away my identity too easily

[quaint belfry]

thats oka

[lilac parcel]

Yeah I used to watch F1 back in the days

😄

[quaint belfry]

been there 2 years ago when vettel bashed in to max

in front of my eyes

this year i was at Spa

but then my guide is not usefull for you

[lilac parcel]

And you are from Italy?

[quaint belfry]

because of the language

Netherlands

[lilac parcel]

Ah Google translate usually works fine

😄

But this is the reason why the HA OS didn't seem very flexible to me, so I agree with you

[quaint belfry]

https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/2TREyPzjaeJKMMP

[lilac parcel]

But then I must have found some tutorial and the installation probably got mixed up quite a bit

[quaint belfry]

this is a ubuntu based

[lilac parcel]

onlinedoctranslator should translate it fine 🙂

[quaint belfry]

this is the export of a markdown file, so dont mind the layout

[lilac parcel]

But then do you have the same result as I currently have, with 10+ docker containers running on the host, 4 for HA and the others for the addons ?

[jolly narwhal]

4 for ha

[quaint belfry]

that can be

[jolly narwhal]

[quaint belfry]

the overhead is very low

[lilac parcel]

Docker containers: https://www.codepile.net/pile/5oKADmLj

[quaint belfry]

https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/JpALrLTg3zciKJX

[lilac parcel]

14 containers, but to be fair only 1 for HA itself. Rest is for addons

[quaint belfry]

i got a bunch as well

look at the link

there you can see how much ha is using

[lilac parcel]

<1% CPU and 0% RAM 😄

[quaint belfry]

yeah and the entire system a bit more but not worying

screenshot underway

[lilac parcel]

Well it depends what your 100% is. If it's a 32 core with 256GB of RAM that would be a lot actually 😄

[quaint belfry]

https://owncloud.fambaron.nl/index.php/s/8YBfLGpHEtc8SWT

indeed

so here the htop output

2 threads 8 gb ram

less then your pi4

[lilac parcel]

Yeah

[quaint belfry]

it runs very smooth

and fast

[lilac parcel]

But it doesn't appear that my current system is running homeassistant-supervised

because dpkg -S homeassistant doesn't find the package

Weird

[quaint belfry]

it is moved

you did know that?

its under settings now

[lilac parcel]

What do you mean ?

[quaint belfry]

well 4 weeks ago there was a supervisor tab right

it is moved

[lilac parcel]

dpkg --search homeassistant
dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern homeassistant

Ah that yes

I know

but I mean on the raspberry / baremetal

Following your tutorial there should be a "homeassistant-supervised" package installed

[quaint belfry]

but it is not a package?

[lilac parcel]

But there is not

[quaint belfry]

ah oke

can you do an lsb_releas -a

release

[lilac parcel]

So I'm not sure which installation I have actually

lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Release: 11
Codename: bullseye

[quaint belfry]

oke

and home assistant is running or not at all

?

[lilac parcel]

Running

[quaint belfry]

i still would go for the docker variant

[lilac parcel]

I'm having issues with Zigbee2MQTT (see above)

So maybe a reinstall is desired

[quaint belfry]

if you dont have any configuration

that would be best for stability i gues

[lilac parcel]

I have 40+ devices -_-

Lots of config

[quaint belfry]

a that sucks

and you dont have a backup?

from supervisor

?

[lilac parcel]

But from https://www.home-assistant.io/installation/raspberrypi, what I seem to have is option #2, and what you suggest is also option #2, correct ?

[quaint belfry]

sort of

because it is debian, you can just see it as debian (vm) instead of a special os for raspberry

so i just follow the docker install for debian guide

[lilac parcel]

I have a backup but I don't know how to download it

[quaint belfry]

and then the install script from home assistant

[quaint belfry]

because it is in supervisor which now is not working?

[lilac parcel]

Yes. Raspberry PI OS Lite/Minimal -> Docker -> Home assistant install

[quaint belfry]

correct!

my guide is using a ubuntu aproach

so you do not want to install that docker (it is for ubuntu)

[lilac parcel]

I assume so. It's in Addons, Backups & System -> Backups

[quaint belfry]

i will do a search for you

give me a sec

[lilac parcel]

I don't think it will change much. But thank you 🙂

[quaint belfry]

wow the find command cant find it lol

[lilac parcel]

/usr/share/hassio/backup

That's where they seem to be in my case 😄

[quaint belfry]

haha

yeah its from a database

filename does not corronspand

so, you should be okay

you can rsync the backup i guess and you should be fine

[lilac parcel]

Yes

There is a backup.json file describing what is contained in each tar file

I just hope this time I won't end up with yet another mess 😦

Did you manage to get Zigbee2MQTT working ?

[quaint belfry]

i will test my backup from the same location and see if it restores well or not

making snapshot as we speak in proxmox

[quaint belfry]

sure

using it with over 55 devices

backup works as well!

you dont extract the tar file with backup

just upload tar file in supervisor > backups

i hope you made a full backup (including directory)

[austere patio]

Why are you switching to Z2M from ZHA?

[lilac parcel]

More flexibility I'd say

Besides the fact that ZHA seems very ***** sometimes during pairing

I only paired devices for now, didn't set up automations yet 😦

[austere patio]

Any features in particular?

[lilac parcel]

Not really. ZHA seemed more limited based on some tutorials I found

[jovial aspen]

and it takes so many clicks to navigate into it

[lilac parcel]

😄

[jovial aspen]

right!

[lilac parcel]

That's true. I don't know if it's more controller or ZHA related but having to click 500 times on IKEA devices to get them to pair, reload ZHA "search again" 10 times , doesn't seem an indicator of stability

[quaint belfry]

he guys

i wish you al the best

[lilac parcel]

It might be the controller though (Conbee)

[quaint belfry]

and a happy new year

going downstairs to my wife

[lilac parcel]

Thank you for your help. And best wishes to you as well :).

[quaint belfry]

your welcome

btw

with zigbee2mqtt i made a smoke detector alarm automation, when smoke is detected all my lights will blink 4 times in 8 seconds

i have only zigbee lights (35)

they all blink within that time span

[austere patio]

Zigbee is more like WiFi in this regard: the coordinator doesn't search for new devices, they scan for and join the network. If a device is difficult to reset and get into joining mode, that's an issue with the device, not the software talking to the coordinator.

Though the Conbee is sensitive to noise and sometimes just "doesn't work" if it's not in an optimal location

[lilac parcel]

Why are you asking ? Should I stick to ZHA ?

I'd like to avoid having to re-pair devices once they are far away from the controller

Right now I didn't put them in place yet, just pre-paired them

[tropic depot]

🤦🏻‍♂️

Bad news

You really should pair them where they will live

[lilac parcel]

Why ?

If already the IKEA devices are such a PAIN in the *** when they are 2cm from the controller, imagine 20m away

[tropic depot]

Things will stabilize on their own

[lilac parcel]

And I cannot be in 2 places at the same time ...

[tropic depot]

🤔

Use the phone to toggle pairing mode in HA

don’t need to be at the host…

[lilac parcel]

I actually didn't think about that. Thanks 😄

[austere patio]

Or enable joins and walk over to the lightswitch with the bulb

They don't have to happen concurrently, you just enable joins and then reset the bulb

[lilac parcel]

Why is it so bad to pre-pair them ?

[tropic depot]

They’ll have to migrate around after

Some devices don’t switch parents well

[austere patio]

Routers probably aren't going to care but end devices definitely will, since they pick a parent router and generally stick with it

[lilac parcel]

So if one router breaks, all "children" need to be repaired ?

That seems a very stupid "feature"

[tropic depot]

No

[lilac parcel]

I heard that the network stabilizes in 1-2 days usually

[tropic depot]

Yep

But for end devices that don’t switch parents well or at all

They’ll be paired to something potentially much further away than if you paired them where they will live

[lilac wharf]

|| Xiaomi ||

[tropic depot]

which * may * negatively impact performance / functionality

[lilac parcel]

Alright

I didn't know that routing was effective even before / just after pairing

[oak pike]

Hi all. Isn't there a map to see what devices are connecting where? (as far as one zigbee device hanging off of another)

[lilac wharf]

What zigbee integration are you using?

[oak pike]

oh finally. found it. visualization tab. Duur.

Is there a means to manually say which devices you want connected where?

[lilac wharf]

You can choose a single router to enable joins from, but even after pairing with that router, the device might still choose to reroute

[oak pike]

ah

I was lumping together a bunch of floor lamps (controlled by dumb light switches) in hopes I could set up a kill switch for them all (and return everything back on with double click on the switch), but it seems a certain combination of "child 1 actually turned their lights off which cut power to the outlet" can cause some massively delayed behavior during normal use when hitting the dumb switch back on.

I thought maybe if the slow devices were routing via a smart plug that was off (due to dumb switch) that maybe that's causing it

in some cases it was like an 8 second delay

[jolly narwhal]

Ooof

I've never had more than a few milliseconds

[austere patio]

Are you using a CC2531?

[oak pike]

I haven't either. My speeds have been awesome. But I think the rub is the fact the smart plug may get turned off (power cut, thus not communicating) if one of my kids actually turns their dang lights off.

@austere patio I'm on the newer side to home assistant and hate to say it I'm not sure how to respond to that. How would I know?

[austere patio]

Which coordinator USB stick are you using?

[oak pike]

nortek zwave/zigbee combo. HSUSB1 or something?

[austere patio]

So not a coordinator hardware problem then

[oak pike]

speeds are great if all light switches are kept on. Just happens if they're turned off, then I hit the zigbee kill switch, etc

it's that absence of them being offline for some time that does it in

[austere patio]

Yeah, Zigbee devices don't expect to lose power

[oak pike]

prob the reason people prefer smart switches

I just had a few plugs laying around since we took down christmas lights and wanted to employ them for this

should probably find another productive use for them 😛

[jolly narwhal]

Yeah, my daughter grew up with smart lights, so she doesn't flip any switches

Most of them are too high up for her anyway

[oak pike]

what's your means of getting them turned on then?

[jolly narwhal]

Door sensors / motion sensors / Xiaomi cube

Or time of day

Or light level

I have one dumb bulb left in my house, I should get that replaced

[oak pike]

gotcha. I struggle with that. I think about the times where one of my kids is napping or they simply want their lights off despite the conditions otherwise being a normal time you'd typically want lights on

[jolly narwhal]

Yeah, we have Xiaomi wireless wall swiches in our bedroom still, and her bedside lamp is controlled by a ZigBee button too

Those are the only physical ones we have

Which are still just smart switches connected to specific lights

[oak pike]

I don't have any smart switches. No neutrals and too cheap to get the few that exist without neutral. 😛

[jolly narwhal]

Wireless ones are great

I have 40 or so ZigBee battery devices

So far replaced two batteries in 3 years

[oak pike]

which xiaomi switch do you have/suggest?

[jolly narwhal]

I use the single button one, the double rocker one, and the square and round aqara door sensors

I have one door sensor on my mailbox, and it works fine in -15c still

Plus the single button one I use as a doorbell too for 2 years now, with -30c winters and 30c summers without issues

Plus a bunch of the temp/humi sensors

[oak pike]

I've been pretty happy with my aqara purchases

I have door sensors, some temp/humidity, and this little zigbee switch I have is aqara.

Is this what you were referencing as far as the xiaomi switch you use? When I google I'm getting a lot of random aqara stuff, some kasa, etc.

I'm trying to get a visual of what you're using

[jolly narwhal]

lumi.sensor_magnet.aq2
lumi.sensor_cube.aqgl01
lumi.remote.b286acn01
lumi.remote.b1acn01
lumi.sensor_smoke
lumi.sen_ill.mgl01
lumi.airmonitor.acn01
lumi.sensor_switch.aq2
lumi.sensor_motion.aq2
lumi.weather
lumi.sensor_magnet

Think those are the ones

[oak pike]

Nice. I was more referencing the physical switches themselves though. Like I'm not sure with what products I'm seeing which are what you're using.

[jolly narwhal]

Found a few more

[oak pike]

so like.. what switches in particular are these in your kids rooms @jolly narwhal ?

they like standard sized light switches in the wall or the little square gizmos with double sided tape?

[jovial aspen]

i'm intrigued by the idea of the aqara cubes

[jovial aspen]

I’ve got an old Hue bulb that I can’t seem to remove from ZHA

Not permanently anyway

I remove it, it rejoins even when ZHA isn’t in pairing mode

[oak pike]

I'm still not sure I understand what a cube is/does/why it exists. Granted I haven't looked in to it too far but...

[sinful swift]

It's a fancy remote control.

[oak pike]

that does what? Is it just a multi-sided thing with multiple switches?

[royal star]

That’s exactly it

[oak pike]

huh. I kind of want one now and I don't know why.

[royal star]

Personally I don’t see much of a use case for it

I have a bunch of their 6 button / single button switches though

[oak pike]

3 of my water leak sensors just dropped off HA and are showing unavailable. this is a first. :/

[royal star]

What’s your coordinator / what routers do you have?

[oak pike]

nortek zwave/zigbee stick

[royal star]

Don’t have any experience with that one, I have the zzh

[oak pike]

I plugged a random zigbee smart plug in near the one sensor and pressed the button on it and it lit up again, so that's cool

I wonder if the other two will check in on their own accord at some point. They're not as easy to get to (water leak sensors)

[royal star]

Trying to find the cheapest sensor offerings on AliExpress is like a needle in a haystack

[jolly narwhal]

I have one single press button for the bedside lamp and one cube to control the roof light

[jolly narwhal]

The cube is fun

[lilac parcel]

@quaint belfry I set up a new instance of Raspberry PI OS with Docker installed. However, not sure if should also follow the post-installation steps for non-root user. Typically it's reccomended to run applications as non-root

[quaint belfry]

You can add a user to the docker group. User ID - aG docker $user

[lilac parcel]

Yeah useradd docker probably first

[quaint belfry]

Docker default runs as root, there is almost nothing to do about that

I should advise to do usermod instead of user add

[lilac parcel]

Why ? docker doesn't appear to exist as a user yet

Only the group is there

[quaint belfry]

Just best practice

[lilac parcel]

usermod docker
usermod: user 'docker' does not exist

[jolly narwhal]

What

[quaint belfry]

It's usermod - aG docker peter

[jolly narwhal]

You add your user to the docker group

[lilac parcel]

Yeah but I just wanted to create a "docker" user for that. What's wrong with it ?

[quaint belfry]

Yeah, not sudo all the time

[jolly narwhal]

Having a docker user makes no sense

Use your own user

[quaint belfry]

Sure it does

Yeah that's still the same?

So if you are troubleshooting, you don't have to do sudo all the time or become root?

[jolly narwhal]

Why would one have two users? One for docker and one for everything else?

[quaint belfry]

I don't know his username?

So it's an example

[lilac parcel]

I can also create my username

Just don't see much of a point because I always login as root for maintenance ...

[quaint belfry]

That's bad

Don't do that

[jolly narwhal]

I have one user, my user, that user is part of any group it needs permissions to access stuff for

[quaint belfry]

Everything you do, it's ownership is root when creating stuff

Most of the time that is not needed

[jolly narwhal]

usermod -aG groupname $USER

Then do chgrp -R docker /dockerfolder

And chmod -R g+s /dockerfolder

[quaint belfry]

But why do that atxbyea

Permissions don't really change, because users that can use docker are root as well

So these permissions don't really matter from user perspective

[jolly narwhal]

Because
a) my user can access all docker commands and docker files
b) all docker files are group owned by the docker group
c) all new files created will be group owned by docker group

[quaint belfry]

Application is a different angle

But runnen docker, is done by root

[jolly narwhal]

Yes ?

So?

[quaint belfry]

It does not really matter if an other user is owner

Root is calling the shots

[lilac parcel]

Would that be /var/lib/docker/ ?

[jolly narwhal]

Is that where you store your persistent docker volumes? If so that is odd

[lilac parcel]

I don't know

I just installed docker

[quaint belfry]

That's docker defaultt

[lilac parcel]

I was used in Linux that configuration are stored in /etc/

But docker apparently does something else for most stuff -_-

[quaint belfry]

It's not configuration, but volumes it stores there

[jolly narwhal]

https://github.com/atxbyea/docker-compose/blob/38e90cad6eac8b81a47f5d39b741e12a4a173777/hjemmetjenester.yaml#L9

Docker stores files exactly where you tell it @lilac parcel

[lilac parcel]

well I don't even know where to edit the config files to tell him where to store them

[quaint belfry]

That you normally do in the run command of docker

[jolly narwhal]

Preferably docker-compose

[quaint belfry]

You bind a folder from your host machine to inside of the container

You can see that with the docker inspect command I told you yesterday

[lilac parcel]

Yes

But what I mean was how to you set the config location on a "global" scale

[jolly narwhal]

You don't

[quaint belfry]

there you can see what folder is mounted from the host ==> container

[lilac parcel]

e.g. similar to what you do with samba there is a /etc/samba/smb.conf file

[jolly narwhal]

You map containers to their respective folders

And usually only config folders

[lilac parcel]

In proxmox you have the same "global" configuration

[jolly narwhal]

The rest you don't care about

99.9% of docker files and folders are discardable

[lilac parcel]

You only care about your own data, yes

[quaint belfry]

yes and the config file

so the smb.conf

and the data from the shares

[lilac parcel]

config file of docker container or config file of the application running inside docker ?

[quaint belfry]

that one will be the same

[lilac parcel]

Ehm no

I don't think so

[quaint belfry]

you "map" (bind) this folder to your system

but it is

oke example

[lilac parcel]

Eh ? In KVM/libvirt/qemu/Proxmox you also have 1 config file in /etc/pve/.../vmid.conf. But the data is stored on another disk

You are telling me that the docker container's configuration is also stored in the mapped folder 😮 ?

[quaint belfry]

no only the folders you want

so in your example of using samba container

you only want the smb.conf file and the data on the shares

[lilac parcel]

So there is no "editable" docker container id config file .conf or .xml let's say? Everything HAS to be managed by the docker command ?

[jolly narwhal]

Yes

Docker-compose

[quaint belfry]

yeah pre defined

[jolly narwhal]

https://github.com/atxbyea/docker-compose

[quaint belfry]

but its a bit the same as proxmox does whit there vm's settings?

like 100.conf

it is also predefined

and the it boots

[lilac parcel]

No. There you have a CONFIG FILE location

[quaint belfry]

yeah that indeed, but as atxbyea said

[lilac parcel]

Docker seems to be lacking that, or storing config as "binary"