#zigbee-archived | Home Assistant | Page 160

crude otter Nov 18, 2021, 9:03 PM

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is there another way to remove it, instead of with the UI?

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If i choose 'repeat' as an action and select 'until' i cant select an event as the until condition

austere patio Nov 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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What's shown in the debug log when it fails to remove?

crude otter Nov 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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@austere patio there is no button to remove

austere patio Nov 18, 2021, 9:07 PM

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Is it a coordinator?

crude otter Nov 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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no

austere patio Nov 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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And it persists even if you restart HA?

crude otter Nov 18, 2021, 9:08 PM

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seems to

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https://imgur.com/a/tV4pr8s

sour shadow Nov 18, 2021, 9:09 PM

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crude otter If i choose 'repeat' as an action and select 'until' i cant select an event as t...

The #automations-archived channel can help with automations

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Events aren't an option, but you can create a template sensor for the event, and use that in the condition

hallow zinc Nov 18, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Just FYI if anyone searches in the future for these Linkind sensors on here. They seem to have fixed themselves overnight. I did update HA to latest stable last night but the issue was still present. Today they have been working great.

upbeat egret Nov 18, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Any recommendations for a zigbee hub in canada?

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 12:18 AM

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upbeat egret Any recommendations for a zigbee hub in canada?

HA is the hub, you need a coordinator stick or other thing that talks to HA

upbeat egret Nov 19, 2021, 12:23 AM

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uneven ruin HA is the hub, you need a coordinator stick or other thing that talks to HA

Sweet! Any recommendations for one of these?

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 12:24 AM

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if you click on the thumbtack for pinned threads theres a list in there with links. I've ordered 2 of the highly suggested chipset pieces from "slaesh" and love them

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CC2652

rotund wave Nov 19, 2021, 1:11 AM

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Howdy folks, does anyone know if there are any Cautions or caveats for running zigbee and zwave in the same system?

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 1:41 AM

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None other than you'll need to build out two meshes instead of one

rotund wave Nov 19, 2021, 2:09 AM

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noted thanks!

hallow zinc Nov 19, 2021, 3:00 AM

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Any recommendations for a motion sensor? Now my Linkind sensors are on the fritz again lol. I need something more reliable.

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The only things on Amazon that look decent are the Sonoff motion sensors. Everything else is either $40 or looks sketchy on Amazon.

hallow zinc Nov 19, 2021, 3:03 AM

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upbeat egret Sweet! Any recommendations for one of these?

GoControl CECOMINOD016164 HUSBZB-1 USB Hub https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GJ826F8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_XYMKTGNP55SKX7NJ52M5
I bought this which has worked really well. I don’t have any Zwave devices though so I’ve only used the Zigbee functionality.

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Does HA supposed to work with CC2530? I always get "Failed to connect" error, but zigbee2mqtt can connect to it

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 5:32 AM

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Should work. Enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging and post the log.

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:42 AM

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so I have a dumb question ; where is Supervisor > System > Hardware . I am running Home Assistant under Docker with the linuxserver image. I was able to figure out how to pass a usb device ; dev/ttyUSB1 is a CC2652 zigbee controller but it failed to connect and I am trying to troubleshoot it

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 5:43 AM

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puddly: thanks, here is the log:

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 5:43 AM

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If you're running HA Container, there's no supervisor @worthy wedge

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Check the HA log

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 5:44 AM

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https://pastebin.com/WkZu0CSt

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:45 AM

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oh man ,

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 5:47 AM

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peak tapir https://pastebin.com/WkZu0CSt

Is the baudrate correct? Is Z2M running concurrently or does ZHA have exclusive access to the hardware? All ZNP coordinators respond to a ping request, regardless of the version.

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 5:48 AM

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I am not sure about baudrate, I left the default. I have currently disabled Z2M

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:49 AM

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I purchased this "SMARTLIGHT CC2652P Zigbee USB dongle" .. lets say for arguments sake that for now with this docker instance... if its having issues connecting and I have read a suggestion by googling that use dev by serial id instead of dev/ttyusb1 ; how would one go about figuring that part out; the HA log

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?

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 5:50 AM

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Well first I'd make sure you've passed through the correct USB device

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You'll also need to re-create the HA container when you set up or change device passthrough

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 5:51 AM

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peak tapir I am not sure about baudrate, I left the default. I have currently disabled Z2M

I've not personally tested a CC2530 with a FTDI USB-serial chip but it should behave identically to the CC2531. How are you running Home Assistant?

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What happens if you ignore the radio probing failure and manually set it up as a ZNP radio?

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 5:53 AM

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I am testing it in VMware

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I select ZNP manually, because automatic mode fails and asks me to select settings

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:55 AM

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You know when you click on Zigbee Home Automation ; the USB device shows up ; I click on it ; then the next screen I choose ZNP (CC26x ) thing ; and on the 3rd screen you get stuck fails to connect when put /dev/ttyUSB1

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Z2M's default baud is 115200 so if you didn't change it then the same setting should work when used with ZHA, though autodetection uses those same settings and shouldn't fail.

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Something somewhere is preventing the serial port from working properly.

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:55 AM

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data flow control is empty by default ; but I tried with hardware and software options

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port speed is 115200

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 5:56 AM

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@worthy wedge Does your stick have firmware pre-installed?

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:56 AM

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according to the ebay listing yes ; its always found in the recommended hardware and I purchased it 2 weeks ago according to this groups recommendation.

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 5:57 AM

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did you re-create the HA container after passing through the device?

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also, still need to see what the HA log says related to this if anything

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 5:58 AM

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" Zigbee CC2652P Coordinator Ebyte E72-2G4M20S1E USB Dongle is a USB stick for controlling Zigbee devices in a smart home system using the zigbee2mqtt application.
The stick-coordinator can be flashed with firmware from @Koenkk (Koen Kanters)
or from @Egony (Alex Egony) (). By default, Zigbee adapters come with pre-flashed firmware from Egony.
The backdoor bootloader is open, respectively, the coordinator can be flashed via USB."

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 5:58 AM

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puddly, I see that TX led blinks, but RX does not during ping request; during Z2M communication both leds blink

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 5:59 AM

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|| who's gonna give in first and create a thread ||

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VICTORY

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@worthy wedge did you see my question above?

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:02 AM

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lilac wharf also, still need to see what the HA log says related to this if anything

Hi Tediore , the log is empty. and HA container was restarted ; Synology was restarted . Its literally the only thing my simpleton brains genuinely knows to do when I get errors haha

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:02 AM

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not restarted

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re-created

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:05 AM

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Ya, actually when I first connected the USB devices ; the container completed crashed and I had to start a new container . So by luck that is also true. The closest hint I have that might be an issue is that on the forums people have said that using /dev/ttyusb1 is problematic and use /dev/ by serial-id thing ; I just need someone to help me figure out how to get that path

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:05 AM

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anyway, i'm not familiar with synology NASes... do you have access to a terminal with that?

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:06 AM

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yup I can ssh into the synology ; thats how I got the drivers onto it

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 6:06 AM

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/dev/serial/by-id/... is a symlink to /dev/..., they're the exact same device

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:06 AM

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/dev/ttyUSBx isn't inherently bad; it's just possible for it to change on reboot

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what's the output of ls /dev/serial/by-id?

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and while you're at it, do docker exec -ti home-assistant /bin/bash and replace home-assistant with the container name if it's not that

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:11 AM

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no such file or directory when i do ls /dev/serial/by-id on the synology NAS ; >lsusb -ciu ; give me |__1-2 1a86:7523:0264 ff 1.10 12MBit/s 98mA 1IF ( ffffffd8ffffffb9ffffffd0ffffffa2)
1-2:1.0 (IF) ff:01:02 3EPs () ch341 ttyUSB1

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:11 AM

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whatever OS the NAS runs must not do the by-id symlink

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regardless, do docker exec -ti home-assistant /bin/bash

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:12 AM

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k im in it ; what do you want me to execute

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:12 AM

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ls /dev

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:13 AM

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its massive ;

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its got a bunch of pty__ ... ram__ ... tty___ vcs___ zram ; etc

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:15 AM

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alright ls /dev/ttyUSB1

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:15 AM

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just dev/ttyUSB1

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:16 AM

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okay, so it's passed through to the container. any other USB devices connected?

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:17 AM

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you know what ; my gut says . I'm a moron and I'm adding uneccesary complexity by doing this docker business. I'm just going to go back to Step 1 and start with a VM . and if that fails I'll just load it onto a raspberry pi ; I need to do baby steps. stuff is too overwhelming

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:18 AM

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assuming /dev/ttyUSB1 is your zigbee adapter, using an HA OS VM or a pi with HA OS instead won't make a difference

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HA OS still uses Docker under the hood; the only difference in that case is that all USB devices are passed through automatically

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:19 AM

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ok , so baby questions ; on the 3rd screen is the 115200 number correct ; and the 3rd box being empty correct or should it be hardware/software

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I just want to isolate the trouble spot the /dev/ttyUSB1 ; and then I can focus on some googling to figure out if I did something wrong... the reason I don't think I did anything wrong is because in the first screen it picks up the 2 usb controllers that are connected and I see the full serial name

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:21 AM

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115200 baud should be fine and no flow control should also be fine

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:21 AM

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ok I have an extremely dumb question ; but is 115200 a "port" ? like could it be my firewall stopping things ?

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 6:21 AM

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no

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baud rate is the speed that data is sent over the serial connection

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 6:24 AM

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Does an individual need special permissions to upload a photo on this channel?

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 6:36 AM

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Yeah, use an image hosting site instead.

vestal atlas Nov 19, 2021, 7:33 AM

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@worthy wedge are you using DSM 7 or 6?

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 7:33 AM

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dsm 7

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ch341 driver ; ttyUSB1

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cp210x driver ; ttyUSB0 for zwave (haven't even started how to do this yet)

vestal atlas Nov 19, 2021, 7:36 AM

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what guide did you use to make serial work? i quickly tried to modprobe all the things for ch341 but didnt work so I guess you need to download/compile it

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 7:37 AM

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ive abandoned any attempt ; i'm noticing a trend with people have these issues under DSM 7 and docker ; and reading up on getting homeassistant up and running in a VM

vestal atlas Nov 19, 2021, 7:40 AM

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+1 for that. Else you might have to tinker with it every time synology updates the kernel

crude otter Nov 19, 2021, 7:51 AM

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grr, this zigbee lock doesnt fire an event when an incorrect pin is entered

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that ruins my idea of snapping a photo with my security camera when that happens

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 7:56 AM

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smart locks 🤢

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Just snap a picture wherever a person is discovered on the porch anyway smart

crude otter Nov 19, 2021, 8:04 AM

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i guess i can check if im home, and only notify me if im not home

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 8:06 AM

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That's one way

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I get notifed whenever a person is on my porch, that way I know if I should ignore it or not

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instantanious

violet dagger Nov 19, 2021, 8:50 AM

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Konke has a new set of sensors coming out https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_99Qeme

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 8:53 AM

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Interesting design

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 9:03 AM

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Motion sensor looks neat, very much like the Fibaro Eye of Sauron

violet dagger Nov 19, 2021, 9:03 AM

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i just hope the price won't be overblown due to the fancy design

ivory hound Nov 19, 2021, 9:19 AM

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yah they look nice, expensive tho

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however, let see how good they are

violet dagger Nov 19, 2021, 9:20 AM

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the price is unrealistic now, wait till they arrive in the Konke store

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 9:22 AM

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Fun fact for you, the word "konke" means to "bottom out" in norwegian

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"I got home and konked out on the sofa"

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 9:45 AM

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Yea, any idea why that might be the case? Something to do with binding serial ports to the snap maybe? I tried snap connect home-assistant-snap:serial-port snapd:usbserial and restarted HA but no dice.

jovial aspen Nov 19, 2021, 9:45 AM

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konked is big in australia too

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 9:53 AM

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what the actual frickorino

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Homeassistant via snap

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I thought I had seen it all

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That can't be supported in any way

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:00 AM

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jolly narwhal That can't be supported in any way

I appreciate your insight, did you have any useful suggestion for alternative things to try? 🙂

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Well, moving to any supported installation method would be a good start

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😄

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Since you are already running linux #449717345808547842 would be the logical step

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:03 AM

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@jolly narwhal I appreciate that suggestion but I want to try get it working through ubuntu.

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Well, docker runs on ubuntu

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So yes

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I'll just ignore for the time being that we are talking about ubuntu as a server OS, even though it pains me

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:09 AM

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From https://snapcraft.io/home-assistant-snap I'd say try raw USB

scarlet bramble Nov 19, 2021, 10:14 AM

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Those konke devices need to be paired in specific zigbee channels, right? Can't use them since I am on zigbee channel 11.

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:23 AM

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Correct, but 11 is a terrible Zigbee channel anyway

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fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:25 AM

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# sudo snap connections home-assistant-snap 
Interface                Plug                                         Slot                                Notes
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physical-memory-control  home-assistant-snap:physical-memory-control  -                                   -
raw-usb                  home-assistant-snap:raw-usb                  -                                   -
removable-media          home-assistant-snap:removable-media          :removable-media                    manual
serial-port              home-assistant-snap:serial-port              :usbserial                          manual

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Yes, you posted that already

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:25 AM

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Yea I reposted in chan and out of hastebin for posterity.

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:25 AM

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facepalm

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:25 AM

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I also removed the majority of superfluous content

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:26 AM

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With zero context it tells people ... nothing

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Did that help? Did it make no difference? Did it summon an elder god?

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:26 AM

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...

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Please be polite 🙂

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:27 AM

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I am

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:27 AM

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What context is it you would like to see?

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I pasted the command and the important output lines from that command afaik?

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:27 AM

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And... so what?

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What is the value to others? Why is it relevant?

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You clearly felt it was important, but didn't say why...

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:28 AM

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sour shadow From <https://snapcraft.io/home-assistant-snap> I'd say try raw USB

I was replying to this.. You recommended trying raw USB and I wanted to show you that it is already included in the snap image. Or at least to my understanding it is 🙂

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:28 AM

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You could have said I did that already then... shorter, and contained 100% more information

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:28 AM

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Sorry, I thought as you posed the question the context would be obvious. My apologies!

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:28 AM

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Yeah, I posted that a few dozen lines up

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Ah, yeah sorry I'm a fan of being verbose and providing evidence to support my claims! And yeah sorry RE timings I went to handle some personal stuff (poop) 😄

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:29 AM

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Well, verbose is fine, but verbose with context is important.

Actually, verbose isn't fine if it breaks the rules - which you did.

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Dumping command output without any context just puts crap in the channel

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I also want to make sure I'm understanding snap connections output properly, for example raw-usb doesn't have anything set in Slot but I imagine that's fine.

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Damned if I know. As has been said by many of us, many times, snap isn't supported for HA

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Docker is. Docker works outside of Ubuntu. Docker is well known.

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:31 AM

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/walks away slowly...

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:32 AM

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We won't stop you running an unsupportable install, but it is unsupportable... our ability to help you when stuff like this happens is pretty damn close to zero

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I'd be pretty damn confident that if you'd switched to Docker when first advised to do so you'd already be up and running

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(you'd likely have been up and running within 15 minutes)

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:42 AM

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I don't mind putting the time in to help the community get it right, I have an open issue on the snap image github repo too so hopefully we can all improve together 🙂 I agree though RE "unsupportable install", I maintain a project that suffers from too many people using too many different methods to deploy and you have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:43 AM

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Well, the devs aren't going to add snap to the official support methods

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Some folks do support bespoke install methods, so if you want to do that with snap nobody will stop you

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https://tenor.com/view/theprincessbride-billy-crystal-have-fun-storming-thecastle-gif-8749850

Tenor

fresh mulch Nov 19, 2021, 10:52 AM

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Thanks @sour shadow

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 11:30 AM

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is there any other developers, besides @austere patio, who is developing ZHA? I would like to share my findings why CC2530 is currently not working

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Github might be a more appropriate place to discuss that

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Since ZHA is part of core I guess it would be there 🤔

gentle flint Nov 19, 2021, 1:29 PM

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worthy wedge you know what ; my gut says . I'm a moron and I'm adding uneccesary complexity b...

Just run the Hass OS image in vmware. To exclude any configuration mistakes

gentle flint Nov 19, 2021, 1:36 PM

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peak tapir is there any other developers, besides <@652580495892152331>, who is developing ...

Just save everyone's time. Nobody is interested in wasting cycles on getting cc2530 and 2531 to run.

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 1:36 PM

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I'm shocked to hear that, just shocked

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They're so cutting edge ||for the 1980s||

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 1:39 PM

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https://tenor.com/wmZr.gif

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 2:14 PM

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If I want to run 2 z2m's into one HA do I use the same base topic or should I split them and configure home assistant to look at both?

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 2:18 PM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/faq/#how-do-i-run-multiple-instances-of-zigbee2mqtt

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 2:28 PM

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should have guessed there was a faq

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this may not be the place for docker support tied to z2m but how does one map the port to get the webinterface? I'm just using the basic docker run command from the example

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 2:43 PM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/installation/02_docker.html#docker-compose

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(use Compose, your future self will thank you)

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 2:44 PM

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that leads to more questions lol - like where does a compose file go

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Wherever you want

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I'm kinda docker dumb - i've used a few containers in the past but very basic

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oh

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ok overthinking it then

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Standard recommendation from a bunch of us is that you plan a structure like

/docker/config <- compose file goes here
/docker/zigbee2mqtt <- folder you map for Z2M
/docker/homeassistant <- folder you map for HA

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Then you can back up /docker and get everything

vestal atlas Nov 19, 2021, 2:56 PM

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What is the advantage of using compose for running a single container? I just have a bash script containing the run command (also pull, stop, remove, run for updates).

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 2:57 PM

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Because you never have to wonder what the configuration was

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If I want to know in 6 months time what the config for my smokeping container is, I can just look at the file

vestal atlas Nov 19, 2021, 3:44 PM

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A simple bash file does the thing. But each to their own

uneven ruin Nov 19, 2021, 4:12 PM

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by the way if you don't follow the base topic for each z2m instance it will mess up your HA discovery and you need to delete the base topic from mqtt to get things straightened back out

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Hey all. Anyone know for certain if I can just replace a coordinator underneath Z2M and it'll be fine?

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Depends on what you replace and with what

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I replaced my cc1352 with a 2652 fine

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 5:57 PM

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I'm running on kubernetes and I was thinking of, rather than fixing the pod to a single node, adding another cc2652 to another node for redundancy

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Well, HA really rather than redundancy

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 6:00 PM

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That sounds like a classic 0.00000000000000000001% usecase

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:02 PM

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I want to be able to reboot/unsuccessfully upgrade nodes without somone having to poo in the dark, basically

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Perform the upgrade in a planned downtime window since you are running an enterprise level stack

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:04 PM

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The customer is extremely non-compliant as far as maintenance windows go

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By the sounds of it, though, if I just stick a second stick of the same on a second node all will be well

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Data volumes are reliably on all nodes

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 6:07 PM

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"customers"

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Oboy

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:07 PM

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My wife

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Run Z2M on a regular docker stack, at worst you have 30 second downtime during upgrades

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Problem solved

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Gotta be honest, pretty much all of it is "I will because I can"

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 6:10 PM

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Which is a horrible mindset

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Best regards someone who works with 100% uptime systems

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:12 PM

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I've been supporting production systems long enough to know that nothing is ever 100% uptime. Aim for 3 9s, be happy with 2.

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I seldom settle with less than 6

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 6:22 PM

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I think Z2M will write back the network info to the new coordinator if it doesn't have any network settings

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How often it does backups and how complete the backups are is a different problem

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:23 PM

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My network almost never changes, but hopefully I can make it do dailies

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 6:24 PM

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If your first coordinator node fails but its coordinator is kept powered on, you won't be able to migrate to the second one

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Ah, right

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 6:24 PM

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Because there's no watchdog timer to kill it if the application isn't running anymore

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And you'll get very broken behavior with two coordinators with the exact same addresses talking on the network at once

gentle fern Nov 19, 2021, 6:25 PM

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That sounds like a custom operator and an excuse to write some python, or at least a sidecar to power off the usb

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 6:26 PM

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If you want 102% uptime, get a powered hub with an external watchdog timer and perform full NVRAM backup every once in a while

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That would allow you to maintain the coordinator state completely independent of the coordinator. I know Z2M does this at least during network formation but if it does it on shutdown and startup as well, you're basically all set.

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Should be in a .json file in its data directory. If it changes over time, you'll see the frame counter and list of children/nodes with keys change.

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 6:32 PM

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Hey @molten linden my PoE controller has been absolutely solid for months now; happy wife, happy life

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Just wanna say thanks 🙂

tropic schooner Nov 19, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Can anyone tell me why my end-point devices (Aqara buttons, temp/humidity, and contact sensors) refuse to go through my Sonoff smart plug mains and prefer a weak connection straight to my Sonoff Zigbee stick?

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https://imgur.com/a/qgCO7PR

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 7:29 PM

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I use Aqara buttons too (the replacement for wall switch type) and I find that they do not self-heal or find the best connection themselves. When I set them up initially, I had to build the network myself by turning all other zigbee devices off and turn them on and set up the aqara devices in the way I thought they should connect. Hope that makes sense

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I just kept an eye on the map as I was setting them up to make sure they connected where I wanted them

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 7:30 PM

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You should also be able to permit joins just through that router

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Instead of asking every router to permit joins

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 7:32 PM

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I have quite a few dozen aqara devices, no issues here, everything paired in place with a strong mesh to begin with

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Yeah I dont have issues either, I'd just turned off my smart plugs etc, and had the aqara devices create a mesh then powered up all my zigbee plugs etc.

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 7:34 PM

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But battery devices don't mesh 🧐

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Ah, I'm talking about the mains powered aqara wall switches

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Oh, I've never seen those

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Oh yes I have

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Come think of it

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 7:36 PM

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I've re-read the question and realised my answer is not helpful hah

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 7:37 PM

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I use wireless ones exclusively

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 7:37 PM

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I have two wireless ones (with six buttons) and they're great as bedside switches

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took some setting up though

tropic schooner Nov 19, 2021, 7:38 PM

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It’s all good. I have 2 Sonoff smart plug mains and 3 IKEA signal repeaters. Not sure anything really wants to route through them.

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I wonder if switching from ZHA to Z2M would make things better.

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 7:39 PM

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The integration has no control over the mesh

tropic schooner Nov 19, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Okay, thanks.

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Should I be manually adding devices to my specific (closest) mains?

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Aqara devices specifically do not pick good parent routers so you will have to factory reset them and then go to the specific router you want them to join through and click the button that permits joins only through that router

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That way, they can't join the network unless they join through that router

tropic schooner Nov 19, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Oh interesting. Makes sense.

heavy latch Nov 19, 2021, 7:42 PM

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puddly explains it waaaay better than I was trying to

tropic schooner Nov 19, 2021, 7:45 PM

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I appreciate both of you ツ

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 7:49 PM

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@gentle flint and what's exactly wrong with CC2530+CC2592 if you have a small network? For example, Sonoff is using CC2530 in their end devices and routers. Z2M was recommending it less than a year ago if you don't have a large network. And by "nobody" you mean you? CC2530's coordinator firmware was updated 4 days ago, so clearly "someone" cares.

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 7:54 PM

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It was updated to make LEDs blink

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The actual firmware written by Texas Instruments hasn't seen a single change in I believe five years now? There are outstanding bugs that cause the coordinator to completely lock up, and in the case of the CC2531, require a physical reset (since it acts as its own USB controller).

gentle flint Nov 19, 2021, 7:58 PM

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peak tapir <@!417014253774569473> and what's exactly wrong with CC2530+CC2592 if you have a...

Nothing wrong with cc2530, i just was telling you that devs won't spend time on it

jolly narwhal Nov 19, 2021, 8:01 PM

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25xx is a nightmare and there are no good reasons to use them as coordinators

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 8:01 PM

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And yeah, it's a maintenance burden. But if changing three lines of code will fix the startup issue, it's not that big of a deal.

peak tapir Nov 19, 2021, 8:03 PM

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@austere patio it is more than LEDs: https://www.diffonline.net/8faSxO8eCk

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there are some UART related fixes

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Only the RX/TX buffer size adjustments, I believe they aren't the first. I'm not sure if that is the root cause of the CC2531 locking up for me every two weeks but I'll eventually give it a try on my test network.

versed palm Nov 19, 2021, 8:52 PM

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I have a zigbee trv. The current temperature is shown on the valve. When i check the state attributes, its shown as current_temperature. How can I show that on the dashboard? If i insert climate.radiator_thermostat it only shows me if it is idle or heating.

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 8:56 PM

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#frontend-archived can help with that - some cards can show attributes

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If the card you're using doesn't support it, create a template sensor and show that

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https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/template

cosmic fog Nov 19, 2021, 9:39 PM

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does anyone have a how to on setting up bindings with zha? i have a conbee2 ikea dimmer (toggle type) and a ikea bulb but can't for the life of me find anything on setting up the bindings so that i can control the light with the switch directly

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 9:51 PM

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man this is exciting ; after like a month of discussions on this server I have a home assistant server running, a zigbee and zwave stick in it and 2 sengled bulbs ! dumb question but I can't control the bulbs because when the wall switch is off everything is off ; so this is why people get zwave/zigbee wall switches ? i never understood that before . so they would technically be always on

austere patio Nov 19, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Yeah, either dumb bulbs + smart dimmer or smart bulbs + switch covers + wireless buttons

cosmic fog Nov 19, 2021, 9:52 PM

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you can in some cases control what the on off does of the switch

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instead of opening and closing a 120 contact some switches can send commands

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that control the bulbs

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 9:53 PM

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gotcha ; so is there a smart dimmer that can detect presence/motion ?

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like can i make it smarter ; or would it be 2 different devices

cosmic fog Nov 19, 2021, 9:55 PM

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i think it be better to do two different devices in my opinion in my house the light switches are on the interior wall and to activate the motion controls you would have to fully enter the room and turn before the switch motion would activate, were as a motion detector directly in line with the door activates as soon as you open the door

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 9:56 PM

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ah good thinking

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what type of switch did you opt for ?

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or brand/make model

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could sum1 give me the coles notes for the difference between ...tasmota, deconz, iobroker, zigbee, zigate .... I understand generally between ZHA and zigbee2mqtt ; ZHA would be the easier to use thing for a noob like me ; zigbee2mqtt might perhaps unlock more features but thats something I might tinker with wayyy down the road ..

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I get more lost when reading up...

sour shadow Nov 19, 2021, 10:07 PM

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Tasmota is mostly for WiFi devices, it has some limited Zigbee support

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deCONZ is a commercial alternative to ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT

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ioBroker looks to be a Home Assistant alternative

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Zigbee... well, that's the protocol this channel is about

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ZiGate is a commercial Zigbee gateway, much like deCONZ

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TL/DR:

Ignore Tasmota, deCONZ, ZiGate, and ioBroker

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 10:09 PM

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oh man ^ i just took a snippet of what you said ; their github pages should start off with your 1 sentence explainers hahaha

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ty ; I just wanted that internal confidence that ZHA is it for me, and I'm going to just filter zigbee devices that make life easier with that integration and keep things super simple

crude otter Nov 19, 2021, 10:32 PM

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stupid ikea tradfri button thing

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it was reporting "unknown" for its battery for ages... finally got it to report a number (100%)

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but then a day or so later, it just stops working at all

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so i replaced the battery with a brand new one.. and now its reporting "Unknown" again for the battery

inland coral Nov 19, 2021, 10:40 PM

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It’s usually not worth the sweat with some devices, there are better knes out there. Do ask for recommendations 😉

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 11:30 PM

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any recommendation for a smart switch that also acts as a range extender for zigbee ? I'm located in Canada .

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I am leaning towards ; Enbrighten 43080

worthy wedge Nov 19, 2021, 11:46 PM

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damn so I messed up in purchasing these sengled bulbs ; apparently they don't act as repeaters . any RGB bulbs out there that extend net?

inland coral Nov 19, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Philips hue ones, ikea ones, almost all others on aliexpress

lilac wharf Nov 19, 2021, 11:55 PM

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austere patio Yeah, either dumb bulbs + smart dimmer or smart bulbs + switch covers + wireless...

Or smart bulb + smart dimmer with the relay decoupled from the button sunglossus

vale surge Nov 20, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Hey guys. Im renovating my house and have a setup of 160+ devices when finished (currently at 108). Many of my devices don't respond randomly and I lose control over them
I'm currently using ZHA with a Conbee II located in the middle of my 1700sqft condo (lots of concrete walls). 80 of the devices are IKEA GU10 globes and show up as routers and are all in very reasonable proximity to each other.
I've also powered off HA hardware for +20min so as to force rebuild the mesh.
How can I avoid these units from dropping off the network?
1: Buy range extenders (I thought that's what routers were which with this many globes shouldn't be a problem)
2: re-pair each device in place moving outwards from the controller bsonas to force a nearest route (is there any validity to this)
3: switch to z2m? Why do z2m ppl say z2m is superior to ZHA connectivity wise?
4: install 2 controllers and pair some devices in one part of the house and others in the other part (how is this done in HA/ZHA and am I forced to use z2m) therefore reducing the number of devices on each controller.

I know it's a long question but I'd love to hear from anyone with a LARGE network

inland coral Nov 20, 2021, 12:20 AM

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1: yes, range extenders do the same as any router device. You should have done 2 from the start. 3: Z2M shouldnt make a difference. Try DeConz though, thats what conbee is supposed to be used with and apparently conbee+zha is a bad combo (though it works fine in my average sized house).

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@vale surge Make sure you always add devices in their intended location, rather than moving them after adding to the network.

twilit narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 12:32 AM

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I use a conbee II with Z2M it's considered experimental, but in my case has been quite stable over the past few months. I am far away from such a large network though, only 49 devices in 2500sqft house. I agree with @inland coral though, every device should be added in its intended place, especially for device known to not switch routers (such as Aqara for instance). In my situation the switch to Z2M from ZHA was because of some devices (specifically WS-EUK02) that were not functioning properly in ZHA (no state return from right switch when physically triggered). I tried deconz and didn't stick with it because the phoscon app lacked options and the deconz app was not very friendly GUI-wise in my opinion.

worthy wedge Nov 20, 2021, 2:48 AM

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do wall switches show power watts ?

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 4:14 AM

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stupid question here, is there a way to connect a 3rd party app (smart life, hue, etc) to control the devices on my (zha) zigbee network other than the homeassistant app? None of my android apps can find the bridge/husbzb-1

worthy wedge Nov 20, 2021, 6:25 AM

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how are tuya or aqara sensors

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any better alternatives out there?

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what are people's opinions / experience with zigbee door/window sensors as I see mainly zwave devices on the market

inland coral Nov 20, 2021, 7:26 AM

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In my experience the Aquara products work really well with ZHA

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:32 AM

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@viral willow idd, the answer is no

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@worthy wedge that depends on the model, how is wired

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but doubtful

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:34 AM

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worthy wedge do wall switches show power watts ?

regarding that switches

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:35 AM

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worthy wedge how are tuya or aqara sensors

aqara zigbee works very well, tuya ... not so much

vestal atlas Nov 20, 2021, 7:35 AM

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vale surge Hey guys. Im renovating my house and have a setup of 160+ devices when finished...

I got a similarly sized network as you'll have. Started off with one network but I split it into 2 different once. I don't really know if it made any difference but I imagine it's better as broadcasts echo less in the network.
I would suggest that you switch to a CC2652 coordinator. I've not used ZHA enough to judge, but z2m has been working fine for me.
If you are buying new lights, get philips hue for places where you want to be able to dim a lot. Ikea don't dim very low while philips dim so such that you can use them as a night light for kids.

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 7:35 AM

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ive pretty much started to phase out any tuya products

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zigbee and wifi

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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crude otter ive pretty much started to phase out any tuya products

good choice, maybe they will become better but for now most of them are 💩

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 7:37 AM

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i think i have only a couple of devices left

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4, apparently.

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3 x LED strips, and a pedestal fan

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so, nothing important

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 7:52 AM

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ivory hound <@!502611666156912661> idd, the answer is no

But deconz and https://github.com/hass-emulated-hue maybe?

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https://github.com/hass-emulated-hue/core *

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:53 AM

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when I hear / read words like deCONZ, Conbee I have chills on my back

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why would anyone ever want to do that is beyond my understanding

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ha can do so much more, why would anyone want to convert it to a hue bridge?

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if anybody can explain ...

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maybe just to control the lights

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locally

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trough ha

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and just because hue bridge app looks nice?

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 7:56 AM

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I don't own a single Hue product

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and I have no plans to purchase any

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:56 AM

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else ... beats me, I am thinking ppl just want to have ha and use hue app too

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 7:57 AM

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ivory hound ha can do so much more, why would anyone want to convert it to a hue bridge?

I want just lights and ZigBee/z-wave devices in an app my kids and wife can understand. I don't want/need the whole Hass instance available to them.

ivory hound Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Use cases:
You or your family like to use the HUE app for control over ALL your lights, so even non-Zigbee/HUE lights...
You've replaced the Official HUE bridge with ZHA/zigbee2mqtt and you miss some original HUE features.
You'd like to sync your lights with your TV/game (e.g. HUE Sync, Ambilight+HUE).

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yah like i thought

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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@viral willow what about Google Home app?

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you can expose your devices (or a subset of them) to Google Assistant/Home

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 7:58 AM

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crude otter <@!502611666156912661> what about Google Home app?

I'd be fine with that, but currently Google home can't access zha as a bridge

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How?

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Literally what my initial question was lol, anything other than Hass app 🤣

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 8:00 AM

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let me find the link/video

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGiDPIx_mVQ

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this way, you can expose devices/entities that you want, to the Google Home app

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 8:01 AM

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It would be really cool if I could add the zha instance as a zigbee gateway to smart life, because all my devices would be in one place for home control

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 8:01 AM

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crude otter let me find the link/video

Thanks I'll give it a watch

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 8:01 AM

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i did this yesterday, for the wife

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Awesome

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 8:01 AM

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purely so she can "hey google, open the blinds"

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(they are ikea tradfri blinds, using ZHA in HA)

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Well we don't talk to it yet she thinks that's weird, but switches in Google home would be good

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 8:02 AM

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yeah, the side effect is, the devices are in Google Home app

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i havent watched this one, but same idea, i think

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGi_GI0ltU

viral willow Nov 20, 2021, 8:05 AM

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I'm probably going to end up trying to create some sort of app-bridge in python, and emulate a tuya hub. But for now this will help. Thanks.

crude otter Nov 20, 2021, 8:15 AM

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whats wrong with the Home Assistant Companion app?

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you can make dashboards specific for her user account, and hide stuff that isnt relevant

frail grail Nov 20, 2021, 8:32 AM

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Hello everybody . I’m trying to bind my zigbee remote (tuya) with my zigbee light switch . But in bindable device list I see only my conbee 2 . I probably missing something basic but I can’t find any how to about bindings . Remote does not have any entities except power . So I can’t connect the button press via automation either … any suggestions?

median jasper Nov 20, 2021, 10:38 AM

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I have 2 HA installations in my lan. On zwave I use zwavejs2mqtt to get the "remote" devices on my main HA. Is there anything similar to get zigbee viewable and controllable on the main unit?

twilit narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 10:43 AM

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median jasper I have 2 HA installations in my lan. On zwave I use zwavejs2mqtt to get the "rem...

Zigbee2MQTT

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https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt

median jasper Nov 20, 2021, 11:07 AM

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Thanks... Why on earth did I not find that... 🙈

frail grail Nov 20, 2021, 11:40 AM

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frail grail Hello everybody . I’m trying to bind my zigbee remote (tuya) with my zigbee ligh...

forgot to mention i'm using ZHA integration.

twilit narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 11:44 AM

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frail grail Hello everybody . I’m trying to bind my zigbee remote (tuya) with my zigbee ligh...

The remote is not supposed to have an entity but it should trigger a ZHA_EVENT you can check in developer tools.

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If you can’t bind, you at least should be able to make an automation based on that triggered event.

frail grail Nov 20, 2021, 11:45 AM

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thanks thats a step forward will try this.

winter condor Nov 20, 2021, 12:43 PM

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Hello everybody, i hope anybody. can help me.... i have upadated may Home Assistant instanz and now couldn't start my Zigbee....

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Couldn't start deCONZ = dresden elektronik deCONZ protocol: ConBee I/II, RaspBee I/II coordinator
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python3.9/asyncio/tasks.py", line 492, in wait_for
fut.result()
asyncio.exceptions.CancelledError

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 12:49 PM

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Is it just me or are Ikea shortcut switches terrible?

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Batteries seam to die so fast and I cant keep them connected to the Zigbee network. Any recommendations on a solid push button style Zigbee switch?

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 12:53 PM

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No problems here with my on off one

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Been running for 1.5 years

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 12:53 PM

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hmm, maybe I just have a bad batch

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driving me nuts 🙂

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Strong mesh?

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 12:54 PM

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I dont have many devices... so, no. But the one that keeps giving me issues is right next to a hue strip.

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so, I would think it would be okay... maybe not. Its also only 15ft away from the router.

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 12:54 PM

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You paired it in place where it is installed?

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 12:54 PM

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no. I paired in my office

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and moved the switch

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 12:55 PM

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Worth looking at the map where it is actually connected

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Always pair in place

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Never move

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 12:55 PM

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hmm

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okay,

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I can give that a try.

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Thanks 👍

winter condor Nov 20, 2021, 1:01 PM

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nobody can help me?

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 1:05 PM

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Your stick isn't seen probably

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Your installation method can help you find it

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 1:08 PM

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I think this goes without saying... but, If I am having issues pairing where i want the switch, its likely a mesh coverage issue...

inland coral Nov 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

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worldly apex Batteries seam to die so fast and I cant keep them connected to the Zigbee netwo...

These just work:

Aqara Opple Switch Double Four Six Buttons ZigBee Switch Wireless Remote Control Light Homekit Switch
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mO26OIi

worldly apex Nov 20, 2021, 1:09 PM

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also, looks like my battery was dead, so I assume the RF was working a bit to hard when i moved it.

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Love the words... "These just work"

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🙂

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 1:47 PM

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worldly apex I think this goes without saying... but, If I am having issues pairing where i w...

Yes

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They do work, when you have a good mesh for sure 7ACOSP_tinypensive

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Interference doesn't help, WiFi doesn't help, Bluetooth doesn't help, living in an apartment doesn't help

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There are a lot of factors with all wireless technology

azure tinsel Nov 20, 2021, 2:39 PM

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a while back some one here pointed out to me that the coordinator backup is done automatically by Z2MQTT. What i did wonder is.. How do i restore it on new coordinator?

frail grail Nov 20, 2021, 3:01 PM

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twilit narwhal The remote is not supposed to have an entity but it should trigger a ZHA_EVENT y...

its even more simple. if i use device as trigger type . i have a separate trigger for each button

hallow zinc Nov 20, 2021, 3:26 PM

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I'm setting up a completely new HA environment to see if I can solve and issue I'm running into. However, how when I try to pair things they come back as unk_model by unk_manufacturer even though they worked fine before. These are Sengled LED bulbs that I've reset and am trying to repair.

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I'm using the latest HA stable image and the Nortek HUSBZB-1 stick as my Zigbee hub.

hallow zinc Nov 20, 2021, 3:58 PM

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Nevermind on the above. I restarted the Docker container and it seems fine now. Pairing is really wonky though. Sometimes things are detected fine, other times it is "unknown". If I try to name the device in the pairing menu that usually never persists either. Not sure if this is all related or not.

uneven ruin Nov 20, 2021, 4:04 PM

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azure tinsel a while back some one here pointed out to me that the coordinator backup is done...

There's a file in your configuration directory, thats what you backup. Then just drop it in to the new one. Use the same config (channel etc)

hallow zinc Nov 20, 2021, 4:32 PM

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Is there a way to manually override a device type? I've got 2 door sensors that worked perfectly before. Now only 1 pairs correctly as a door sensor. The other one just pairs as a binary sensor.

crystal wraith Nov 20, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Anyone know if the Sonoff ZigBee bridge is good? I have a Conbe 2 stick with Deconz. Don't like having a separate annoying login so I thought I might convert to ZHA or zigbee2mqtt

violet dagger Nov 20, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Someone knows it's not

frail grail Nov 20, 2021, 4:55 PM

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crystal wraith Anyone know if the Sonoff ZigBee bridge is good? I have a Conbe 2 stick with Dec...

I work with Conbee 2 stick and ZHA. The only problem i noticed so far is binding but i'm not that far in progress.

crystal wraith Nov 20, 2021, 5:12 PM

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frail grail I work with Conbee 2 stick and ZHA. The only problem i noticed so far is bind...

Binding?

opal trail Nov 20, 2021, 5:13 PM

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I'm trying to figure out why my Aqara water leak sensor won't change to Wet when dousing it with water. I'm brand new to HA, using the zigbee2mqtt addon... got my devices in there easy, everything reporting correctly (including a temp sensor)... but for some reason the water leak sensor won't change state... does anyone have suggestions on how to troubleshoot this?
/edit: sensor is on the bottom 🤦‍♂️ Got it working!

frail grail Nov 20, 2021, 5:14 PM

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as far as i understand there is an option (for example) to bind a remote control button to light switch and control the switch directly even if HA is not functional, but did not managed to get it working yet.

crystal wraith Nov 20, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Ohh I see.

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Don't know if I need that. Would be nice to be able to use hue apps (like party light apps)

inland coral Nov 20, 2021, 5:41 PM

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hallow zinc Is there a way to manually override a device type? I've got 2 door sensors that ...

Yes, check the zigbee docs on the homeassistant docs page

hallow zinc Nov 20, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Thanks, I finally got everything to pair as normal. I had to remove and repair a couple times for each device. Something is not right.

median jasper Nov 20, 2021, 7:43 PM

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anyone else getting 502 error when opening zigbee2mqtt (after fresh install) I have this issue now on both this addon and the Double-take addon on both supervised install and a rpi 3b install with hassos... report as bug? if so, towards core?

jolly narwhal Nov 20, 2021, 7:53 PM

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No, that would be an add-on bug

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No issues here on a regular docker install

warm sonnet Nov 20, 2021, 9:09 PM

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are things like philips hue bulbs routers? or is a router a dedicated gateway type device?

sour shadow Nov 20, 2021, 9:10 PM

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Routers are most mains powered devices

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The main exception are Sengled bulbs - Hue bulbs are routers

warm sonnet Nov 20, 2021, 9:11 PM

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👍

tropic depot Nov 20, 2021, 11:07 PM

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For us devices most “no neutral” switches / plugs / relays also aren’t routers

nocturne geyser Nov 20, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Can anyone suggest a UK power strip..
3 or 4 sockets...just want Individual on off commands
Roughly wanting to spend 20 - 30 quid

I'm using ZHA

balmy ginkgo Nov 21, 2021, 12:57 AM

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What's this? 2021-11-21 01:46:09 WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy_deconz.api] No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0xc4'

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I have 1 zigbee lamp, 2 zigbee sensors. 2 automations that turn on and off the same lamp. I'm not sure if it's a zigbee issue ... but those automations are flakey. Worked well for weeks,
Is this that issue?

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and:
2021-11-21 02:00:43 WARNING (MainThread) [homeassistant.components.zha.core.channels.base] [0x2C3F:1:0x0300]: async_initialize: all attempts have failed: [DeliveryError('[0x2c3f:1:0x0300]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x2c3f:1:0x0300]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x2c3f:1:0x0300]: Message send failure'), DeliveryError('[0x2c3f:1:0x0300]: Message send failure')]

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thinking about riolling back version

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hmm seems i need a firmware update

balmy ginkgo Nov 21, 2021, 1:37 AM

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Wich is failing :/

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hmm needed \.\COM4 instead of com4 as parameter

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GCFFlasher.exe -x 3 -d \.\COM4 1 -t 60 -f ..\firmware\deCONZ_ConBeeII_0x26720700.bin.GCF in case other people have issue in windows. Use EXACT name of device path that's shown when you did GCFFlasher.exe -l

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:/ same error

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think full reboot fixed it

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pfew fingers crossed

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 2:03 AM

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My Zigbee network(s) have been having lots of issues lately. What steps should I take to debug the cause of these?

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ZHA, Conbee II

balmy ginkgo Nov 21, 2021, 2:06 AM

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i looked in core log and saw the warnings there

vale surge Nov 21, 2021, 2:31 AM

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TBH - Ive ditched ZHA yesterday and spent an entire day (wasted) trying to get Z2M working - to no avail. Says it cant find the dongle on /dev/ttyACM0, and I tried both /dev/ttyACM0
and
/dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2120448-if00

Installed Deconz this morning and it worked out of the box - even did an automatic OTA update of the stick (which then I deleted deconz and re-installed Z2M) to find the same error

So Ive given up on Z2M and going to revert back to Deconz

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 2:33 AM

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What type of HA install are you using? That may mean that Z2M doesn't have access to your USB ports.

balmy ginkgo Nov 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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Damnit Warning is back

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seem to be several posts last week

vale surge Nov 21, 2021, 2:37 AM

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DECONZ - Anyone found a way of getting hidden entities our of Deconz? Or is this where ZHA-quirks come in?
I had ZHA installed on my machine and it detected my aqara sensors with "presence" and "occupancy" - whereas Deconz only detects "presence"

balmy ginkgo Nov 21, 2021, 2:41 AM

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can i see ZHAzigbee topology?

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ah found it

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Ok that's a realy annoying interface everything keeps moving

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Yeah i would call that useless

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disables autozoom

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:03 AM

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so ive asked this a billion times before but i feel better able to maybe work with info given

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i get some zigbee devices that show up as "unk_manufacturer unk_model"

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and i have no idea how i might get them to work

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:08 AM

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dusk bough i get some zigbee devices that show up as "unk_manufacturer unk_model"

Have you tried restarting HA?

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:08 AM

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yes

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:08 AM

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What coordinator are you using?

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:08 AM

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zha atm

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open to other ideas

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Which coordinator USB stick?

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:09 AM

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this has been a standing issue for a while for me, i got a bunch of sensors from spectrums security stuff

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nortek stick

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Do they consistently join without model and manufacturer info? Or is it something that happens randomly?

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:09 AM

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husbzb-1? iirc

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consistantly

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never have come up as what they are, like atm i have a door contact sensor in front of me

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:11 AM

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Can you upload a joining log to a pastebin (e.g. https://dpaste.org/ )?

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:12 AM

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where can i get the log?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:13 AM

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When you join a device in ZHA, there should be a button on the top part of the screen

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Or enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging and restart HA, it'll be in your home-assistant.log file

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:14 AM

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https://dpaste.org/Q9Ha

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Your device has no model name, no manufacturer name, or any clusters in its only endpoint beyond the "basic" cluster, which should be the one you read to get that info

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:17 AM

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so your saying the devices are shitty

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lol

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:18 AM

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They at least join your network so they will work, they probably just require the original security system to reverse engineer how they actually communicate

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Is it a Tuya device by any chance? Wonder if it's some new bullshit they're pulling

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:18 AM

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noooo

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it's zigbee sensors

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Tuya makes zigbee stuff

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:18 AM

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i got from spectrums security shit they used to doo

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:18 AM

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Gotcha

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:19 AM

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SMCZB02

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is the model

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fccid: ji5-smczb02-dw

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Oh, some zigbee devices are proprietary like the gen 1 iris stuff

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Could be the issue here

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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make them not be

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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I think you've actually asked about this before. Until someone buys the whole working system and sniffs traffic to figure out how it works, there's no way it will work with ZHA or any other integration.

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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mmm zigbee sniffing

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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^ correct i have asked before, figured i'd ask again if anything new happened

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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If you're dedicated enough for that bored, I have a guide on zigbee sniffing

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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i just wanted easy to use door sensors, lol

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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You in the US?

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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yep

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i'd rather send you a bundle of hardware and have you do it, and you can keep some of it, lol

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-10-XFINITY-Security-Visonic-XHS2-TY-MCT-350-SMA-ZigBee-Door-Window-Sensor-/203254885008

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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also got zigbee numberkeypad

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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dusk bough i'd rather send you a bundle of hardware and have you do it, and you can keep so...

Fine by me!

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sunglossus

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:22 AM

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those work well with ZHA?

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Oh, no idea. They work well with z2m though, and I don't think they do any manufacturer-specific stuff, so they should be good to go with ZHA

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I'll check the converter for the contact sensors to confirm that

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:23 AM

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is z2m not officially supported? i dont see it in addable intigrations

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:24 AM

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It's not an integration

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:24 AM

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addon

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:24 AM

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It connects to HA via MQTT

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:24 AM

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gotcha

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hmm

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 4:25 AM

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If those Xfinity sensors are standards-compliant, they will also work out-of-the-box with ZHA.

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Yeah, that's what I was implying above--just have to check the converter to confirm

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:25 AM

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any chance that z2m would be able to do something with the sensors i have?

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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lemme check

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doesn't show up in supported devices, so no

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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word

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ill try the xfinity sensors when i get more money to burn, i also need to find a decent motion sensor

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wifi, zigbee, zwave, idc

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:31 AM

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those xfinity ones don't appear to do anything unusual

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so they should be fine with ZHA

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:31 AM

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word

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i want allll the sensors

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sensors mean more triggers and info

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:32 AM

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trigger warning

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:32 AM

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lol

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are any of the tas pir sensors worth it?

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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the wut

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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tasmota PIR sensors

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motion sensors

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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probably not unless they're not battery powered

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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zigbee is best for battery powered pir right?

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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or zwave

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wi-fi is a bad choice for battery-powered stuff

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:35 AM

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SO

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zigbee pir sensors then

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:35 AM

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#zigbee-archived message

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:35 AM

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well i mean i feel like zigbee usually is cheaper

lilac wharf Nov 21, 2021, 4:36 AM

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it is generally

dusk bough Nov 21, 2021, 4:57 AM

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so ill grab that 10 pack of door sensors

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just need like 2 or 3 motion sensors

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i grabbed an aqara pir sensor to try out from amazon cause i placed an order for 2 of the rgbw strip controllers like i have currently, to see if i get lucky and get esp based ones

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 5:28 AM

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I'm getting to my wits end. Now most of my Zigbee sensors aren't even firing. What's the best way to debug what the hell is going on?

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Looks like all my routers have stopped connecting. Easiest to just put them in pairing mode and add device again? Or will that create duplicate devices?

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FFS, now the routers won't rejoin the network at all, even after removing them. What the fuck has happened?!?

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 6:30 AM

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What is your ZigBee integration and coordinator?

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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ZHA, Conbee II. Have Hue Hub and AP fairly close to Conbee II. Just moved it with an extension cable. 2.4ghz Wifi is on channel 1, Hue Zigbee is on channel 25. ZHA should be on 15 (default).

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 6:34 AM

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As I expected, Conbee

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🥳

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Also, why on earth two meshes

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Hue Entertainment zones. Plus redundancy (which has been needed considering the issues).

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 6:38 AM

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Don't need redundancy if there are never issues though 🧐

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But Conbee seems to be a returning common factor lately

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 6:39 AM

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It's weird, because it's been really solid for at least a year. Just recently started having issues when my lock battery ran low.

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 8:56 AM

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stupid ikea things

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after a few hours, they seem to drop off the network

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and the only thing that seems to get it going again, is restarting ZHA

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and this door lock... its sending commands on manual lock/unlock (so its on the network) but not responding to commands to lock/unlock

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...but it was working perfectly before

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:01 AM

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Enable https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/zha/#debug-logging . Do you see MAC_CHANNEL_ACCESS_FAILURE in your home-assistant.log file after a while?

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:03 AM

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[zigpy_znp.zigbee.application] Request failed (Unsuccessful request status code: <Status.APS_NO_ACK: 183>), retry attempt 3 of 5

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[homeassistant.components.zha.entity] lock.office_door_lock_door_lock: Error with lock_door: Request failed after 5 attempts: <Status.APS_NO_ACK: 183>

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:04 AM

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I'd let it run for a few hours to collect more data

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:04 AM

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debug was already enabled

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:04 AM

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Any instances of that specific error message?

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:05 AM

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the one you mentioned?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:05 AM

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Yes

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:05 AM

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not in home-assistant.log, but in the older home-assistant.log.1

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(i just restarted HA about 5 minutes ago)

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Do you have your coordinator on a USB extension cable?

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:06 AM

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no, its directly into a USB port

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other zigbee devices appear to be working fine

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:06 AM

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Put it on a USB extension cable. You can hot-plug it with HA running.

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How frequently did it occur in your previous log file?

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:10 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/gsIrSFr

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:12 AM

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The specific error message means that the coordinator refused to transmit because there's too much RF noise

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:12 AM

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interesting

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:12 AM

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Use an extension cable and keep the coordinator away from interference sources like USB 3.0 ports, raspberry pi's, 2.4GHz routers, etc.

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:13 AM

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i used to have the co-ordinator in a front mounted USB port

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ive relocated it to a motherboard port (on the back panel)

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so perhaps i move it back to the front

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:13 AM

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That'd definitely negatively affect its performance

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:15 AM

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swapped it back, gonna restart to make sure

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:15 AM

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No need (but it won't hurt )

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 9:15 AM

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I'm moving my HA,z2m,eclipse broker containers (and volumes) install to a faster host machine, do i need to re-pair all my zigbee devices ?

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:15 AM

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its a usb port passing through from a docker container

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this does my head in

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the smart lock is about 50cm from the coordinator

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.....and now its working

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zigbee = voodoo

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:21 AM

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It would probably be a good idea to log that status code as an error in zigpy every time it's encountered so you don't have to enable debug logging to see it

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:22 AM

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i dont get it hey

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the lock is literally about 50cm direct line of sight from the co-ordinator

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yet, its decided it wants to route through an ikea pendant light in the kitchen

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which is about 6m away, through walls

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Most compliant devices scan for potential parent routers and pick the "best" one based on perceived link quality

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If you re-join the device or turn off its parent for a while, it'll find a new one. Hopefully the coordinator now that it's been moved to a better spot.

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 9:31 AM

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the cc2531 should avoid usb3.0 ports ?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:31 AM

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All coordinators

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CC2531 has a tendency to completely stop functioning and appear dead when it gets noisy

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:53 AM

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if i want to change channel, do i need to repair everything?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:54 AM

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Yeah

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:54 AM

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sigh

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it might be easier to pin my 2.4GHz wifi channel

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https://www.metageek.com/training/resources/zigbee-wifi-coexistence/

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:56 AM

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As long as it's one of 1, 6, or 11 it should be fine (assuming you're using the ZHA default channel of 15)

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6 or 11 if you really want to keep it far away from your Zigbee network

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:56 AM

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im using ZHA defaults

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so you're saying i should force 2.4GHz Wi-Fi to 6 or 11?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 9:58 AM

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As long as it's on 1, 6, or 11 it won't overlap with your Zigbee channel, though the sidebands may still overlap a little. Probably not an issue but if you want to be extra sure, move it to 11.

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 9:59 AM

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switching 2.4GHz to Channel 11 now

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ive got 2 wifi APs

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and they are now both set to channel 11

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the only 2.4 things are IoT stuff

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all the PCs and phones/tablets are on 5GHz

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Unless you have explicitly forced them to use 5Ghz in the client settings they will probably fallback to 2.4 randomly when needed

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"I know best" -Every client ever

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 10:01 AM

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i have band steering enabled, prefering 5GHz for devices on a specific ssid

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 10:01 AM

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Preference isn't the same as forcing, so 2.4 bleeding can still happen

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

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sure, but i will monitor it

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

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But it will try its best

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

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i dont really care if stuff uses 2.4GHz anyway

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as long as its doing channel 11

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 10:03 AM

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Most people don't, but this is especially important when doing widespread WiFi analysis (I've worked on a few projects with 1500+ APs) and mapping

crude otter Nov 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

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well, ill keep an eye on this

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see if it helps with zigbee or not

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 10:15 AM

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Why is channel 11 better than channel 1 for Zigbee overlap? Would have thought sidebands of 11 were closer to 15.

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And the RF interference is interesting. Would definitely explain why my Conbee works better on an extension cable. Should really move the AP much further away though.

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 10:18 AM

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Zigbee and WiFi channel numbers aren't really comparable. For example, WiFi 11 and Zigbee 11 are two completely different frequencies (and widths).

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 10:20 AM

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Ohh shit, I see it in that infographic now!

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That might be my issue. Moving to 11 now!

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 10:22 AM

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Make sure your neighbors aren't all on 11 as well. WiFi probably won't have much of an impact unless you're using Z2M and didn't change the default from 11 to 15 (or 20 or 25)

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 10:23 AM

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My wifi is on 1, and the AP is less than a meter from BOTH my Zigbee coordinators.

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 10:27 AM

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That sounds horrible

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 11:00 AM

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Have left Wifi on 1 (looks like very little other wifi interference there), moved ZHA to 20, and Hue to 25. 🤞that improves things!

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 12:47 PM

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euhm trying to add zigbee cc2531 to new host , but it doesn't have the /dev/serial/ dir , where else could it be located ?

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found it took some time to pop-up

   devices:
      - /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B0018E299EC-if00:/dev/ttyUSB0

but now i wanna start it in compose , but what should the second part be ? its ha internal right leave as is ?

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 1:07 PM

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are you running HAOS ? or not ?

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:06 PM

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nope , ubuntu , ha container

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Could have sworn you asked that already... or was that another server?

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Zigbee2MQTT:error 2021-11-21 15:05:38: Error: Error while opening serialport 'Error: Error: No such file or directory, cannot open /dev/ttyACM0',

migrating z2m to new host cannot find

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but ttyacm0 isnt referenced by me

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:07 PM

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You've got Z2M configured for /dev/ttyACM0

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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not in my compose file ..

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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facepalm

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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checked config.yaml z2m and put port to null

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Did I say that?

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I said Zigbee2MQTT not Docker

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:08 PM

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ah srry

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/dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B0018E299EC-if00 put this in z2m config , didnt work

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Yeah... I wonder why

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:09 PM

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does it need to be a TTY

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 2:09 PM

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wtf

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:09 PM

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You need to tell Z2M to use the path you've passed through

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Or whatever you passed the path through to

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might not be the same on the inside as the outside, depending on the docker config

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Why not pass it through as /dev/ttyACM0?

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:11 PM

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   devices:
      # Make sure this matched your adapter location
      - /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Texas_Instruments_TI_CC2531_USB_CDC___0X00124B0018E299EC-if00:/dev/ttyACM0

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and put the tty in z2m config , right thnks

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 2:12 PM

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So inside the container it is ttyACM0 then

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:16 PM

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yup done so

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could the cooordinator_backup.json files be messing things up

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?

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still bugging not found

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 2:18 PM

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well, if you shell into the container

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can you see the device

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Shrug

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Zigbee2MQTT:debug 2021-11-21 15:18:30: Using zigbee-herdsman with settings: '{"adapter":{"concurrent":null,"delay":null,"disableLED":true},"backupPath":"/app/data/coordinator_backup.json","databaseBackupPath":"/app/data/database.db.backup","databasePath":"/app/data/database.db","network":{"channelList":[11],"extendedPanID":[221,221,221,221,221,221,221,221],"networkKey":"HIDDEN","panID":6754},"serialPort":{"adapter":"auto","path":"/dev/ttyACM0"}}'

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just shelled in and the /dev/ is there ?

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did just copy the z2m folder from one host to another

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in hope not having to re-pair everythign

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 2:23 PM

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If done correctly, migrating from one host to another is a breeze

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I've done it four times

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with the same config

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 2:28 PM

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hmm the /dev/serial/ dir just vanished ....

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didnt unplug it :S

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should avoid plugging the cc2531 into an usb 3.0 port right

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plugged into another port and worked

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yay

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hmm sensors are working , but frontend isnt...

lime locust Nov 21, 2021, 4:14 PM

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what would be a logical upgrade to my cc2531 ? cc2652P2 Zigstar v4 ?

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moved HA to a new host different location getting LQi < 25 :/

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the 2652 with antenna can cover an entire house ?

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 4:16 PM

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depends on the house

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but it has better range than cc2531

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 4:33 PM

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crude otter whats wrong with the Home Assistant Companion app?

Takes a lot of time creating dashboards, where the cloud style just had it all set up without much of anything.

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Anyway, I have been researching and it seemed z2m with an app for mqtt on the phone, and Smart NORA to integrate with Google assistant would be a great option.

But then I read this: https://community.home-assistant.io/t/choice-of-zigbee-solution-zha-deconz-zigbee2mqtt/258207/17
So now I need to either research deCONZ more or just try it out.

I thought I had made my decision until I read that comment about the hue apps.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:37 PM

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are roller shades the only type of blinds that can be home automated with zigbee ?

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:37 PM

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No

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 4:37 PM

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worthy wedge are roller shades the only type of blinds that can be home automated with zigbee...

If it's ZigBee, the spec doesn't actually care what the item is. It can be automated.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:38 PM

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but like if my blinds have a cord; i can't wrap my head around how i make dumb blinds smart.

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:38 PM

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Easy

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:38 PM

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i know there are those ikea blinds and htey are rollers so i see that

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Zemismart M515EGB

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:39 PM

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but like , it seems like magic ; if blinds that have chords can become smart

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:39 PM

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/supported-devices/#s=M515EGB

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There are other options too

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:40 PM

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ok I'm watching some youtube videos ; about this . watch me get my mind blown

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:41 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-chris-pratt-head-explode-gif-13794084

Tenor

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 4:47 PM

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worthy wedge but like if my blinds have a cord; i can't wrap my head around how i make dumb b...

Cool question though, because my blinds are dumb and I want to automate mine also, to save on heating and cooling and save lighting energy during the day. I've been researching it as well (I'm not far enough yet to make suggestions)

A diy might be the cheapest way, the ezwand/e-wand ones are hella expensive.
This looks like a cool idea: https://community.smartthings.com/t/battery-powered-solar-recharged-automated-blinds/99717?u=ryan780

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Problem is my house has over 30 windows lol.

livid abyss Nov 21, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Anyone has a sonoff temp/hum sensor running with z2m? Mine pair fine and seem to work, but never report any values...

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 4:55 PM

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are you sure they paired fine

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:56 PM

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ok so I've watched 2 videos ; but fundamentally I still can't wrap my head around it because my cords/string are different . They are the ones that have 2 strings that are attached together and you move them left and let go do drop or pull on them same way to go up

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i don't see how that string works on a rolling action

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Replace them with ones that work normally?

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:56 PM

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omg thats possible ?

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Anything is possible

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:57 PM

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like keeping the blinds and changing the string action?

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:57 PM

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It may not be simple, and you may end up throwing them away as you curse my name a lot

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It may be a lot easier to replace the whole unit

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:58 PM

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no dude ; what you say is possible... you know so far I've purchased a zzh controller, and that zwave 700 series ; you've given me the low down on the differences between z1mqtt etc ; literally every advice ive received has gotten me 1 step further ; i take ur word for gospel at his time

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:58 PM

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I've reworked the internals of a few things, but it's not always a simple thing

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(admittedly for the tricky stuff I've leant on the skills and experience of some friends...)

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 4:59 PM

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i think i was asked for bulb advice this one time , and u werent on ... i got these sengled ones... and they aren't repeaters thats a bummer ; and I searched sengled and i saw you once typed that they arent repeaters... so there is 1 example where i didnt follow ur advice and look what happened ! haha

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 4:59 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/dads-were-doomed-gif-10730215

Tenor

mighty river Nov 21, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Good day, I'am using Zigbee2MQTT and just bought a Philips Aurelle LED panel. But it is not supported out of the box it seems

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:00 PM

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i have a feeling i'm going deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole.... I don't know how but I am at a $600 running tally with this smart home automation thing... and it started with 2 usb sticks...

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 5:00 PM

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you're good...

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another zero will be up there soon enough

mighty river Nov 21, 2021, 5:01 PM

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worthy wedge i have a feeling i'm going deeper and deeper into this rabbit hole.... I don't k...

Shell that is not to bad Iám at 3000€ I think 🙂

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:01 PM

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isn't that crazy though ? it started from a youtube video, a bored weekend... then joining the discord server... then its like o m g this world exists ?

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 5:02 PM

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that's how it starts

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:02 PM

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and like why am i dreaming about different automations and trying different things ; that is not normal

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 5:02 PM

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next thing you know your toilet seat is smart

mighty river Nov 21, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Jups, my whife is getting less enthousiastic

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:02 PM

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so right now my wife loves it ; we pranked our 2 little kids told them the lights listen to us ;

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for 2 days they were in love with them ill we told them i was hearing their convo in the washroom and cntrolling it from my computer

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lol

mighty river Nov 21, 2021, 5:03 PM

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haha did the same thing when I automated the curtains

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Told him I could do it with my mind

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 5:03 PM

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you scored a jackpot then, mine took 2 years to accept the smart stuff. now she's mad when something isn't

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:04 PM

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i know right !i felt soo bad I was like i should reveal to them the truth before they go to their grade 1 class and act crazy

mighty river Nov 21, 2021, 5:04 PM

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I have a NUC and the memory was broken....

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So nothing worked, no lights nothing

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Was already googling for the best attorney 🙂

livid abyss Nov 21, 2021, 5:05 PM

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violet dagger are you sure they paired fine

Just tried to repair one, but indeed I get Configure failed: Error: Bind 0x00124b00226a13c7/1 msTemperatureMeasurement from '0x00124b00214f3c2c/1' failed (AREQ - ZDO - bindRsp after 10000ms)

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 5:21 PM

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violet dagger another zero will be up there soon enough

If I want to do my blinds it's nearly $18k for the nice looking ones haha. Forget back burner, that's not even on the stove.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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ok just a dbl check question; on aliexpress there are some vendors who market these aqara zigbee things as "global version" . can someone inform me about any pitfalls to avoid compatability issues because I thought only zwave had this issue

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Any thoughts on zigbee temperature sensors?

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003507269030.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.7291c77an5CqBC&algo_pvid=00816b80-f461-407b-bbbe-ee30d7bd49fd&algo_exp_id=00816b80-f461-407b-bbbe-ee30d7bd49fd-12&pdp_ext_f={"sku_id"%3A"12000026100812409"}

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I can't seem to find this one on the compatibility lists...

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:26 PM

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oh thats cool, I think the square ones are more popular, based on the orders.

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:26 PM

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It's got 2xAAA batteries, which is appealing to me

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But right now I want to know more about it, like compatibility, reporting intervals, accuracy etc

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There's a wealth of information out there on other sensors, but not this one. The aliexpress listings don't have the type number either.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:27 PM

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try the zigbee2mqtt site mate

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it tells you the sensors that show up

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and if thats on the list

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would be the safest bed

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I know, this one doesn't show up

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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then try it out and tell us 😉

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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It's not listed here either https://zigbee.blakadder.com/

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That's one option I guess

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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if I was you I would take the safer route and go off the blakadder list

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the second thing I would do is use the search mechanism on discord to see if there was an older discussion around your specific model

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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That's what I plan to do.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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unless you wanna be the test dummy

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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worthy wedge the second thing I would do is use the search mechanism on discord to see if the...

Thing is, I can't find a model number..

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:30 PM

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just message the seller

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:30 PM

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So I was hoping for a response like: Oh, that's XYZ.

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Why didn't I think of that

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🤦‍♂️

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:31 PM

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because you are overwhelmed with the options available

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like me

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😉

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:33 PM

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worthy wedge because you are overwhelmed with the options available

The paradox of choice. The more options, the harder making a decision is.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:33 PM

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ya my biggest thing is decision fatigue

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worry about having to deal with returns etc.

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 5:35 PM

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I just want one with decent accuracy and reporting rates.

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As it will be used with the awesome generic thermostat integration.

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 5:36 PM

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I've been very happy with both the Xiaomi Aqara and Konke temperature/humidity sensors

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Report sensibly, seems to be accurate enough

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:42 PM

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any Canadians out there want to chime in on places ? I feel like I am limited to aartech.ca , aliexpress, and amazon so far .

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Just get Aqara

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:45 PM

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Can someone chime in on this : https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Aqara_MCCGQ11LM.html ; it seems as if there is "device temperature" but on aliexpress it doesn't mention that in the listing for this model. Or am I confusing temperature at that door/window with the internal device temperature... wouldn't it be the same thing?

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Using 2xAA batteries is irrelevant if you need to change them often

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Device temperature is internal temperature and should not be used as an ambient temperature sensor

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 5:48 PM

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ah gotcha ;

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omg you are the dude whose site i reference all the time

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man you are doing gods work

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when will you do zwave next 😉

zenith oracle Nov 21, 2021, 6:08 PM

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So, in 2021, what Zigbee USB dongle should I buy? I have thick walls here, and about 50 Zigbee devices.

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

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If you have a good mesh the walls in relation to the stick doesn't matter

zenith oracle Nov 21, 2021, 6:37 PM

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I have had issues with the existing Conbee II dongle.

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Conbee is generally horrible it seems

inland coral Nov 21, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Conbee works fine for me, I use ZHA, too. People say its supposed to be terrible but it’s honestly fine. Had some issues with battery powered switches not aleays working, but that was a signal strength issue, having a zigbee router device in each room fixed it.

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 6:52 PM

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The Conbee does have better unicast performance than the CC2652 so individually turning on a bunch of lights happens faster

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But it won't work without 10 USB extension cables

inland coral Nov 21, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Mine works with 1 😛

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Had no choice, my HA server is in a metal server rack

livid abyss Nov 21, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I have an Ikea E1524 5 button remote, when I try to pair it it keeps joining and leaving the network. Sometimes it pairs, but stays unrecognized by z2m. Anything I can try? I have a second one that works fine.

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:01 PM

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My conbee II is fine so far. I have some issues with responsiveness but I feel like that's more related to the general instability of my hardware.

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Using the conbee close to wifi is asking for trouble though. Not sure how other dongles perform in that regard.

spark star Nov 21, 2021, 8:02 PM

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worthy wedge any Canadians out there want to chime in on places ? I feel like I am limited to...

Ikea is a great source in Canada for smart bulbs, plugs and blinds.

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:03 PM

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violet dagger Using 2xAA batteries is irrelevant if you need to change them often

You sir, made an awesome website!

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:03 PM

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thanks, i appreciate that

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:04 PM

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About the batteries: I'd expect AA batteries to last longer than CR2032 cells.

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Am I wrong?

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:04 PM

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on paper that is true

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but f.e. aqara sensor on CR2032 outlives many other sensors using AA batteries

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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It does boil down to how well they optimize things.

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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its all about the hardware design and the firmware power use

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I dabbled a bit in embedded software engineering in University.

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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TheHookUp did a contact sensor test where Aqara outlived the rig used to test

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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Oh yea I saw that on his twitter

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Seems like a madman's experiment if you don't know whats going on there though.

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:06 PM

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and i have a bunch of sonoff sensors that suck up 2450 batteries in 6 months

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:06 PM

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I read bad things about the reporting rate and accuracy of those sonoff sensors.

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:06 PM

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they're all true

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:07 PM

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So I can scratch those of my list

spark star Nov 21, 2021, 8:07 PM

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@worthy wedge a friend recently found https://ktekcanada.ca/ Otherwise I haven't found any other options either.

worthy wedge Nov 21, 2021, 8:08 PM

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oh wicked thanks guys

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:08 PM

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So how about the potential compatibility issues for aqara devices?

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:09 PM

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what does that even mean

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Or was that a different vendor

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where they can throw some issues at you with certain routers

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:10 PM

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old aqara devices just skip some routers

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 8:10 PM

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pins

violet dagger Nov 21, 2021, 8:10 PM

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personally i have no problems with aqara for years

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 8:10 PM

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I've had zero issues, but there are known, documented, compatibility issues

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Sounds like layer 8

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smart

sour shadow Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 PM

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Yeah, the designers and coders at Xiaomi 😛

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 8:14 PM

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goaKittenAngry

uncut flare Nov 21, 2021, 8:16 PM

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My current setup is mostly ikea stuff so I should be good to go.

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Thx for the info @sour shadow

molten anchor Nov 21, 2021, 9:02 PM

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hey there, quick tradfri phoscon question

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I can't seem to add this tradfri led driver to a light group

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I click on save and it does appear to do so but nothing actually happens

zenith oracle Nov 21, 2021, 9:05 PM

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inland coral Conbee works fine for me, I use ZHA, too. People say its supposed to be terrible...

Sp Conbee works just fine if you don't use their software?

inland coral Nov 21, 2021, 9:09 PM

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Sure. It’s a zigbee coordinator and zigbee is an open standard, so yeah it works with other zigbee software/hardware

jolly narwhal Nov 21, 2021, 9:22 PM

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It is not recommended with some software

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Like zigbee2mqtt

gentle flint Nov 21, 2021, 10:36 PM

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uncut flare Any thoughts on zigbee temperature sensors?

Screw Tuya. Get the konke ones

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 11:03 PM

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What's the best way to rebuild your mesh so that devices will connect to the best router? Unplug the coordinator and routers for 30 minutes, then reconnect coordinator and then connect routers fanning out from the coordinator?

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Has anyone tried to get the husbzb-1 to work with deconz?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 11:25 PM

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deCONZ only supports the Conbee/Raspbee

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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officially supports, yes I know. But that doesnt mean it cant be done some way or another. Was just curious if anyone even tried

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Cowboys are losing so I need a distraction xD

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

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deCONZ isn't open source so there's really no way to try, unfortunately

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 11:28 PM

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i see. I wish there as something like https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/deconz-rest-plugin for z2m, like mqtt->rest->fancy apps for wife

tiny timber Nov 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Couldn't you just do that by setting up an automation in HA to look for the MQTT events then fire a rest event in HA?

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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An MQTT/REST proxy doesn't seem that difficult to write, though MQTT isn't all that great for RPC so it may have a lot of corner cases

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 11:33 PM

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hmm

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18:33:43:869 COM: /dev/serial/by-id/usb-Silicon_Labs_HubZ_Smart_Home_Controller_71500F43-if00-port0 / serialno: 71500F43, ConBee

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Maybe their detection is a little wonky, it doesnt actually connect

austere patio Nov 21, 2021, 11:42 PM

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I would be very surprised if it did 😆

gentle flint Nov 21, 2021, 11:45 PM

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viral willow Has anyone tried to get the husbzb-1 to work with deconz?

It won't work because of the two very different protocols talking to the stick

viral willow Nov 21, 2021, 11:49 PM

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anyone wanna trade sticks? haha

nocturne geyser Nov 22, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Can anyone suggest a UK power strip..
3 or 4 sockets...just want Individual on off commands
Roughly wanting to spend 20 - 30 quid

I'm using ZHA

tiny timber Nov 22, 2021, 1:08 AM

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Might be easier to go the Wifi route for that @nocturne geyser. Not a whole lot of Zigbee sockets, let alone strips.

raven jewel Nov 22, 2021, 2:06 AM

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TP-Link have a wifi option, though their integration does warn that it may stop working.

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 4:16 AM

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plenty of options to control a single socket

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but the problem is (in Australia at least) that even a 4 socket powerpoint (on the wall) is only fed by a single feed... not controllable by themselves

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here is an Australian one.. https://www.amazon.com.au/Jinvoo-Individual-Compatible-Assistant-Protection/dp/B09CPVMNVX/

vestal atlas Nov 22, 2021, 6:33 AM

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nocturne geyser Can anyone suggest a UK power strip.. 3 or 4 sockets...just want Individual on ...

Lidl has one with 3 sockets https://zigbee.blakadder.com/Lidl_HG06338.html

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 10:43 AM

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thoughts? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001002717113.html

violet dagger Nov 22, 2021, 10:43 AM

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why...

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 10:52 AM

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punched "zigbee" into aliexpress, thats why

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000136474999.html

violet dagger Nov 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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wasn't a question, it was a thought

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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fair

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 11:34 AM

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those Tuya USB zigbee repeaters.. they have issues, yeah?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Which?

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I mean, it's Tuya, odds are good it's going to have some problems, but vague questions are hard to answer

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 11:35 AM

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003342070818.html

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those things?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Rings a vague bell that there's something not 100% with them

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 11:36 AM

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i can seem to get the IKEA signal repeaters cheaper locally anyway

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 11:36 AM

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Though you're usually better off buying a smart plug than a dedicated router

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 11:36 AM

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im just trying to work out things to get to strengthen the mesh

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is it possible to have too many routers?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 11:38 AM

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Probably

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You don't need a stack of them at the end of the day, you need enough - and most end devices will only use a single parent

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 12:15 PM

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i think i have 2 ikea repeaters, 1 sonoff ZBMINI and a Sonoff BASIC Zigbee

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oh, and i guess the ikea bulbs

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(as long as people dont turn them off at the wall)

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Hi, ihave conbee2 with ZHA, because of power failure my ikea outlet is unavailable, I have tried reload ZHA integration, reconfigure device, run zha.permit (250s) but this devices is still Unavailable .. howto make it available again ?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 12:26 PM

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How long was power out?

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:26 PM

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it was sucesfully paired, and it worked a few weeks

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 12:26 PM

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It may need re-paired

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:26 PM

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more than 10 hours, don't know exactly

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is there any chance how to broadcast to network something like re-pair ?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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No - you have to trigger that on the device

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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ok, thanks

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 12:29 PM

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Generally speaking over 24 hours most devices will need re-pairing

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:31 PM

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😦 this month my electricity provider will have another two all-day power outages

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 12:34 PM

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at least they are scheduled.

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https://imgur.com/a/DqVyagX

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(i live in Australia, so 230V nominal)

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:35 PM

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yes, It was communicated long time before.

crude otter Nov 22, 2021, 12:36 PM

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i just get constant dips

languid swan Nov 22, 2021, 12:37 PM

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nice.. I had this issue too, my voltage dropped from 240V to 180V, but they installed another station 2 years ago, and now I don't have this issue. But yes, I have waited for it for 6 years

barren stratus Nov 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Hello. Do I need to reset my conbee to use it with mqtt. Used zha before

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Zigbee2mqtr gives me a timeout while accessing the stick

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 1:03 PM

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No, but you need to ensure that ZHA isn't still enabled and using it

barren stratus Nov 22, 2021, 1:03 PM

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Is disabling enough?

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And a restart?

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Or do I need to delete it?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Delete it

barren stratus Nov 22, 2021, 1:05 PM

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Still the same error. :(

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Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Did you add the required setting for deconz in the config for Z2M?

barren stratus Nov 22, 2021, 1:08 PM

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eeehhhh no :/

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serial:
adapter: deconz

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That ?

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lol, just that one entry and it works. lol

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Thanks 😄

plush latch Nov 22, 2021, 1:25 PM

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hello, Im planning to migrate from cc2531 to 2651 stick on zigbee2mqtt. AM I gonna loose my devices if I do a migration (unplug old stick, put the new stick)? I presume that I will. So, there is a second question - how can I do a backup of all my devices, and then just import them to the new stick?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 1:26 PM

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No, you won't

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They have an FAQ on this

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/faq/#how-do-i-migrate-from-a-cc2530-cc2531-to-a-more-powerful-coordinator-e-g-zzh

molten linden Nov 22, 2021, 3:48 PM

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you should see events for the button presses, check the developers/event panel and listen for zha_event then click buttons. you cna use the event data or automations or if supported device automations may work if you select the device in the automations editor.

ivory hound Nov 22, 2021, 3:50 PM

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read again what tube said

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 3:50 PM

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this

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It's an event trigger

ivory hound Nov 22, 2021, 3:51 PM

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read very very careful

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 3:51 PM

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https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/automation/trigger/#event-trigger

visual estuary Nov 22, 2021, 3:52 PM

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barren stratus Error: Failed to connect to the adapter (Error: SRSP - SYS - ping after 6000ms)

Ssme here

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On my ZZH

barren stratus Nov 22, 2021, 3:53 PM

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i solved it with the added deconz

visual estuary Nov 22, 2021, 3:53 PM

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I don't have a decon stick tho

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I use Z2M with a Zig Zig Ha

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 3:55 PM

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Then you had the wrong details in the trigger

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"didn't work" is not helpful

lime locust Nov 22, 2021, 4:54 PM

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can anyone recommend a good simple zigbee plug ?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Salus SP600

obsidian sandalBOT Nov 22, 2021, 5:16 PM

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@idle flax posted a code wall, it is moved here --> https://hastebin.com/jureseqove

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 5:17 PM

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With a group created in ZHA instead of HA all the lights should work

mighty river Nov 22, 2021, 5:17 PM

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I just newly installed ZHA.
5 light resetted and newly connected
1 ZigBee group created with the 5 lights.
The lights canbe switched individually without any problems
Switching the ZigBee groou

some lights don´t switch
some light that switch, do not chage their status in HA
What could be the problem?

I run a Raspberry3 with

Home Assistant OS 6.6
supervisor-2021.10.8
core-2021.11.5
with a ConBee II USB-Stick

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Yes, we saw all that

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The bot cleaned up because you posted over 15 lines

mighty river Nov 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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it is a ZHA group no HA group

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any other ideas?
Raspberry3 is OK for HA with deconzII and ZA?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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That's not a great stick, but it's unlikely to be the cause of your problems

mighty river Nov 22, 2021, 5:28 PM

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what stick woud you recommend?
and what could I test to find the cause of my problems?

obsidian sandalBOT Nov 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Is it always the same light or lights?

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If so it's probably the route there

mighty river Nov 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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most times the same light.
What can be done with the route?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Adding routers in places that strengthen the mesh

mighty river Nov 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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the lights are all in one room, distance max 5 m
can it be a route problem?
how could I test this?

heavy basalt Nov 22, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Im trying to add zigbee2mqtt but I got a problem with repository.
Invalid Add-on repository!

Im using https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:02 PM

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hey there guys! what zigbee hubs can you guys recommend to me?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:02 PM

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None

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ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT and a sensible stick

obsidian sandalBOT Nov 22, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Buy something CC2652 based. This list is a good one, both Tube and Electrolama have been proven to have excellent customer service. The current generation of EZSP sticks (see here for some) are also a good choice for ZHA.

Anything CC2530 or CC2531 based should be avoided - they're old, slow, and only suitable for a dozen or so devices. The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference), and the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset so should be avoided.

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:02 PM

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im using proxmox for my hypervisor on my server, with hassos running, so it would be harder to pass trough?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

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No

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But even if it was, you could buy a network based coordinator

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:03 PM

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also, i dont own any pi, or similar system, only a bunch of servers with vms

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:05 PM

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So?

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At no point did I mention a Pi 😛

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:08 PM

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what do you think of the sonoff ZBBridge 3.0?

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(because i already own only sonoff devices so far)

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:09 PM

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#zigbee-archived message

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You should read the bot message

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Actually read it

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:10 PM

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i did, and i went to the website. but only found the usb version on the list

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:10 PM

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If you'd read the bot message you'd have seen blobcsignno for the Sonoff ZBbridge

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https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/#recommended lists multiple network based options

lilac wharf Nov 22, 2021, 6:11 PM

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I think they're talking about the zigbee stick

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:11 PM

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what can happen with the wifi connected one? since isnt recommended

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:12 PM

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The Sonoff ZBbridge isn't advised since it uses WiFi (built in interference)

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From the bot message

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:12 PM

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yes. but is stability issues? or others?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Yes, stability problems

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:12 PM

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even with a good access point?

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:13 PM

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The problem is with the design of the device

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Your access point is irrelevant

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don't use it

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:13 PM

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also, i havent seen the lidl branded hub on there, and its quite easy to get here

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:13 PM

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If you want to use it, ignoring the advice here, then that's on you

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Don't blame us when your experience sucks

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The Lidl hub is actually linked from the bot message

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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i only know that as the silvercrest hub, i dont know who makes it, or the official name

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Yup, linked from the bot message

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It is EZSP based

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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the only issue is that the price was arround 19 euros here, and now its 27 euros, so i didnt get it when i saw it

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also, if i end up getting the silvercrest one, im planning on hacking it to use poe or something

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would be cool

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1 less brick to plug in

lilac wharf Nov 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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Probably better off just using a PoE splitter

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:23 PM

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i do have one, and i plan on sticking one inside, so a small package

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since it has so much free space

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or double side tape

vestal atlas Nov 22, 2021, 6:31 PM

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Are you planning to use z2m? If so maybe you should look at a cc2652. I have a lidl gateway that I played with using z2m but bumped into some binding issues with ikea remotes. Experimental for a reason. Have not tried it with ZHA tho

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:32 PM

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i have no plans yet, currently i only use wifi stuff, so i want to get into zigbee stuff,

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open to sugestions, and the silvercrest seems to be recommended by a lot of people

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even on r/homelab

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:33 PM

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It works - that doesn't mean it's the best choice

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A lot depends on what you're going to use it with

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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temperature sensors, buttons, smart blinds?

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whatever i find useful

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT is the real question

dawn sequoia Nov 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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I ended up with a zzh!

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:34 PM

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wich is the recommended?

dawn sequoia Nov 22, 2021, 6:35 PM

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As a stick

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And got advised to run zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Your choice

obsidian sandalBOT Nov 22, 2021, 6:35 PM

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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:35 PM

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dawn sequoia I ended up with a zzh!

39 euros tho

sour shadow Nov 22, 2021, 6:35 PM

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The Lidl is experimental with Z2M though, if you use it you can reasonably expect issues

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:40 PM

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might save up to a zzh

vestal atlas Nov 22, 2021, 6:41 PM

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if you dont mind waiting (probably quite long) sonoff has a cheap cc2652p dongle https://itead.cc/product/sonoff-zigbee-3-0-usb-dongle-plus/

outer badge Nov 22, 2021, 6:42 PM

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backorder