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bleak knot
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Damnit. I just setup everything for the conbeeII in the phoscon app, then found ZHA

dry fossil
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Just wait until you find Z2M 😂

austere patio
bleak knot
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just some plugs and sensors

stable dew
dry fossil
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The latter.

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Bluetooth and Zigbee can't talk to each other.

stable dew
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When buying the stick the description mentioned it supports both zigbee and bluetooth. I assume it means not at the same time?

dry fossil
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Got a link to where you bought it from?

stable dew
dry fossil
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The sensors...

stable dew
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ah

dry fossil
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Nothing on that page mentioned Zigbee,.

stable dew
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yea it's bluetooth

dry fossil
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Oh... you meant the stick supports BT? 😮

stable dew
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yes apparently

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Development¶
This stick is a great starting point if you want to get in touch with the 2.4 GHz technologies:

ZigBee
OpenThread
**Bluetooth 5 (BLE)
**any custom RF protocol based on IEEE 802.15.4

dry fossil
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The hardware probably can... but I doubt the firmware handles both at the same time.

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Think of the firmware as telling the stick which radio station to tune into.

stable dew
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yea I get it, if zigbee and bluetooth both run at 2.4GHz the it can't do both at the same time

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I kinna hoped it could though

dry fossil
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Well, a better example might be that you gave it the AM firmware and not the FM firmware 😄

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Someone may know better than me... I've never worked with writing embedded code.

stable dew
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Well anyway, I have the Pi and Pi has bluetooth built in. Any idea how do I get HA to talk to Pi and use its bluetooth?

dry fossil
sour shadow
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ISTR with those it's easier to use an ESP as the gateway, it's been discussed a lot in the past

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A search should find the details

faint dome
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doing a bunch of reading on energy meter HAN devices and a lot of them refer to zigbee being the communication between the meter & the HAN communicator. Anyone have more details on that?

austere patio
faint dome
austere patio
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The hardware is the same but the "certified" devices each contain a super special (expensive) certificate that allows the device actually join the meter's network

bleak knot
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Ah that's a bummer. The phoscon gateway correctly added the plugs with consumption entities

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ZHA doesn't 😦

coral ruin
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All my Zigbee buttons started firing triggers twice, 1-3 minutes apart, on deCONZ. This is been going on for a couple weeks now. I'll press a button and a couple minutes later that same deconz_event will fire again. So if I long press, i'll get another long-press event a couple minutes later from that same device.

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I have two SmartThings samjin buttons and an Aqara button, which are duplicating events, and a Philips Hue remote, which seems fine.. I've updated, rebooted, I don't know what to do.

obsidian sandalBOT
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@coral ruin deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
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I'd ask over on their Discord - you're more likely to find somebody who knows why it's doing that over there, hopefully

solid inlet
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How can power-on-default be set? I find this entity, but despite enabled, it's not available select.tradfri_control_outlet_1_power_on_behavior Is there anything else needed for this to work? I'm using z2m integration. Tried a lot of Googling, but found nothing useful

sour shadow
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I'd expect you set that in the Z2M UI or using an MQTT command

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The select may work, I've not updated to see it, if so just change the value

solid inlet
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nice! select did work. 🙂

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or... I have two entries for the same entity... one is still named unavailable, and another (which works) tradfri_control_outlet_1_power_on_behavior. Why are those non-working entities left behind?

solid inlet
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I know I had a number for the commit after installing... Is this missing for you too, or just my installation? Zigbee2MQTT version 1.21.0 commit: unknown.

solid inlet
sour shadow
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It's not whether it works with HA, it's whether it works with Zigbee2MQTT

graceful notch
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you'd probably have to create your own herdsmann converter if it doesn't exist yet

solid inlet
sour shadow
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Thankfully they have a handy page listing both what's supported, and how to add support

solid inlet
solid inlet
sour shadow
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Yes it does

sterile sleet
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I have a power meter which provides data with dlms cosem, is there any wireless solution so I can get the data to my flat in a shared building? the meter is in the basement...
I find papers where zigbee is able to tunnel the data but no actual devices

dry fossil
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Looks like the link to the product page is dead.

sterile sleet
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this is a whole meter I can put in my fuse box 😄

dry fossil
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Is that better or worse than what you wanted?

sterile sleet
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it's more than I requested, basically the whole shebang. I just want to read the values from the existing meter...

dry fossil
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I don't know of anything that does exactly what you're after but I've not spent time researching it.

faint dome
mighty river
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Hi Folks, need a help. Im trying to integrate Tuya Smart Air box with sonoff ZBBridge tasmotised .. did anyone got a luck ?
i can discover the device but there is not entities.. so cant get the temp/humidity etc data
it shows as
TS0601
by _TZE200_yvx5lh6k
Zigbee info
IEEE: 0c:43:14:ff:fe:88:16:ec
Nwk: 0x8c50
Device Type: Router
LQI: 120
RSSI: -70
Last Seen: 2021-08-06T14:25:42
Power Source: Mains

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@here ?

cerulean thorn
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I even asked the producer of tube, and even he is not sure; If the zigbee stick support 20db (tube ones support that), does the 3dm antenna work, or do you need to buy a 20db antenna? I found 12db antennas, but should I then set the db to 12? (z2m integration)

terse trout
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I have a ZHA-connected smart plug that has a wattage sensor entity present in HA, however it's not a valid option for device selection when you go to the new Energy config. I'm assuming this is because the sensor isn't being flagged for the new long-term storage ("statistics" I think?), so is there any way for me to do that myself or is this a patch thing that needs an update to ZHA?

molten linden
cerulean thorn
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@molten linden Oh sorry I just felt you said you was not 100% sure 🙂

molten linden
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I did, but i'm like 99% sure 🤣

cerulean thorn
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It would be nice to really know, as I have the tube with ethernet (not the poe I just ordered yesterday), and when I used 20db in z2m I got lower signal than when not using 20

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with the antenna you shipped

molten linden
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well you have to realize that upping hte PA gain is one 1 direction > out, and it also can create more noise

cerulean thorn
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that is true, so 20 might be bad then

molten linden
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potentially I could see it as an issue, as far as the signals strength dropping. hard to say, what the signal is actually reporting - best test is whether a device works or not.

cerulean thorn
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In my house its an avg on 50 in signal

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30-90

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But the tube is not in the best posision

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Im going to move it to the living room when I get the new one - using a POE to usb on the old one, but I have POE in all wall outlets so cleaner to just use the new one

tawny jasper
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hello, how do I add zha quirks to the HA in container mode?

molten linden
tawny jasper
half skiff
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This started after upgrading to 2021.8

half skiff
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Welp, nevermind, it was already merged into 2021.8.2! All good now.

bleak knot
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Just started using it but I haven't had any issues with the latest container

austere patio
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It'd only affect users who are upgrading from old versions of ZHA, where there was a slight bug that allowed devices to be saved to the database in a partially initialized state

foggy dragon
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@austere patio Trying to follow your previous explanation on how to migrate from Sonoff Zigbee Bridge to CC2652P2.

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I tried the "Disable the ZHA integration and in a separate Python environment, run pip install zigpy-znp 'git+https://github.com/puddly/bellows@puddly/open-coordinator-backup'
bellows backup -d socket://sonoff.ip.addr:port will create a backup of your bridge, python -m zigpy_znp.tools.network_restore /dev/... -i /path/to/backup.json will restore it to your stick"

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When attempting, I get A traceback saying "jsonschema.exceptions.ValidationError: 'metadata' is a required property

austere patio
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Do you have a different version of bellows installed?

foggy dragon
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so it seems likes its a json error, but I can't figure out why

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Maybe- I had been playing with a before

austere patio
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Try pip uninstall bellows first, then the pip install

foggy dragon
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let me try that, thank you

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@austere patio that didn't work

austere patio
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Can you PM me the JSON? It definitely should have a metadata key, only the old bellows backup format doesn't

foggy dragon
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yeah let me figure out how to get it from the raspberry pi to this computer

austere patio
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It's quite short, you can just cat it

austere patio
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If you run pip uninstall bellows, you shouldn't be able to run bellows

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It's a lot easier to do this kind of stuff inside of a Python virtualenv, since it mostly isolates you from outside packages:

$ python3 -m venv venv  # or `virtualenv -p 3 venv`, not sure what distribution you're using
$ source venv/bin/activate
(venv) $ pip install ...
(venv) $ which bellows
should print something like /path/to/venv/bin/bellows
(venv) $ # Now you can run the rest of the commands
foggy dragon
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ah let me try that

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I thought you meant before pip uninstall bellows, then pip install bellows to clean it up, but you meant pip install your package?

half skiff
austere patio
foggy dragon
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@austere patio Thanks for teaching about venvs! It definitely got further, but i can't find @molten linden 's coordinator. It doesn't seem to create a /dev/ttyUSB anywhere. When I search, I find a /dev/ttyUSB/hiddev0 but no actual serial com port.

molten linden
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Usb coord?

foggy dragon
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yep

molten linden
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That’s odd. lsusb show it?

foggy dragon
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I get Bus Device 014 ID1a86:7523 QinHeng Electronics HL-340 USB-Serial adapter

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I forgot the 001 between Bus and Device

molten linden
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That’s it

foggy dragon
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Hmm am I missing how to find which port it is on?

molten linden
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/dev/serial/by-id/ have anything?

foggy dragon
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I get no such file or directory for that

molten linden
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Odd unplug it and watch the system log as you plug it in. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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If lsusb shows it the system can see it. But maybe it’s not creating the port - driver issue? But this serial chip should be well supported in Linux

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It’s where I flash and test them

foggy dragon
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Ok well that at least makes me feel better that I’m not losing my mind

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Let me start over and see if there’s something up with the pi im using

worthy ledge
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I'm fairly new to HA, running on a RPi. My USB stick changed serial port. Is there a way to point to the new port with ZHA? I've looking for a bit today and found something about a file in .storage, but I can't find that on my system.

gentle flint
foggy dragon
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@molten linden and @austere patio wonky raspberry pi. Works fine another.

austere patio
foggy dragon
summer fable
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not having much luck with zigbee, I have 2 pirs, 2 environment sensors and a button... they're always in an "unknown state" I'll bind everything up, or reconfigure and it'll work for a little while, then I'll come back a week later to smack the button, nothing happens, check in HAS and they're all back in unknown land 😦

raw hazel
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hi guys!!!

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i have a quick question. I purchased a MOES Zigbee Dimmer and I am trying to add it to HA. I have a Sonoff (tasmota) Zigbee Bridge and I am able to pair the device, but the entity is not being created.
Anyone knows why? Thanks

molten linden
raw hazel
molten linden
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Check the signature. If it matches everything but the manufacturer you may be able to just add the manufacturer to the quirk to get it working. Opening an issue there may get more traction though

raw hazel
molten linden
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Also look for events I don’t think it will create entities

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Use the local quirks folder. I think that PR I linked may have some links or references to set it up

raw hazel
molten linden
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Buttons/remote type devices that don’t have a discrete state are stateless and events are used for them.

raw hazel
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By the way, thanks for the help

molten linden
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Custom quirks path.

glass verge
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Where can I find material to learn how to fix this type of problem?

raw hazel
foggy dragon
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Migrated to the CC2652 from a Sonoff Zbbridge (which I had migrated from a Nortek Husbzb-1. I see an entity called "Silicon Labs EZSP with Nwk: 0x0000 and Device Type: Coordinator, though it seems to be offline (but still has children listed. Is this something to be concerned about? Tried to delete it but it keeps reappearing.

untold slate
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Zigbee was recommended as an alternative to wifi bulbs, so I ordered one. No brand, no model number. I'm told I may have to do some work to get it up and running which I'm fine with.

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I have the z2m add-on running, "permit join" enabled.

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When I turn on the light ... how do I pair? 🙂

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(this is a Tuya-compatible light)

austere patio
graceful notch
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If it wasn’t supported at all, you’d need a original gw/hub and a sniffer to read everything and try to create that in a herdsmann converter (that’s how I understood it)

mighty river
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Hi, I would like to have motion sensors (on a budget) but which should I choose? I can buy 5 sonoff zigbee sensors for 1 Shelly motion (wifi) sensor. What is the catch?

untold slate
graceful notch
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euh it was focused on zedmaster's question @untold slate

untold slate
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I know 🙂

graceful notch
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I actually have 0 experience with tuya devices

untold slate
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That makes two of us! 🙂

graceful notch
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from what I have read, you shouldn't need a tuya gw

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just the zigbee stick

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but some of their devices apparently do weird things to get them paired

untold slate
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I have a zzh! stick ... but ... i dont know ... Zigbee isnt showing me much love

graceful notch
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(well they pair, but don't send the information)

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I have pretty good experience with hue & aqara

untold slate
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I bought the exact same random bulb in wifi and in zigbee. The wifi bulb is working just fine. Zigbee ... I dont know what I'm doing wrong.

graceful notch
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well, what's the bulb ?

untold slate
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It's a non-brand.

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LivingDewise is what it says on the box. But I cant find much about it.

graceful notch
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can you enable debug logging on your Z2M and check what's there ? when you try to pair the bulb

untold slate
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Absolutely nothing 🙂

graceful notch
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how do you pair the bulb ?

untold slate
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I think z2m is talking to the stick.

graceful notch
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have you gotten other Z2M devices already working ?

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or is this the first

untold slate
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previously, i had a xiaomi light sensor working with a different stick. i cant get that to work with this install either. but xiaomi sensors are reported to be very unwilling to repair to new controllers. so i kind of dismissed that as an issue.

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i dont have the old receiver stick anymore. tossed it out when i got the zzh!

graceful notch
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you did put firmware on the zzh stick, right ?

untold slate
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some people reported xiaomi stuff "will pair with something new, if it can see the something old"

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I did, yes

graceful notch
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when you disable and enable the z2m addon, there's nothing in debug either ?

untold slate
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correct

graceful notch
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(I use containers, so I have to guess)

untold slate
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yeah there is nothing in either the HA log for the addon ... or the z2m log set to debug

graceful notch
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if you ssh into homeassistant, and check dmesg, did it detect your stick ?

untold slate
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the stick is on /dev/ttyUSB0

graceful notch
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and if you do hassio host hardware it shows up fine ?

untold slate
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I run Supervised

# 
 % ls -l /dev/serial/by-id
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Aug  1 17:39 usb-1a86_USB_Serial-if00-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB0```
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so the HOST OS sees it at least

graceful notch
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does it show up in Supervisor > System > Hardware ?

untold slate
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ttyUSB0 > /dev/serial/by-id/usb-1a86_USB_Serial-if00-port0

graceful notch
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just asking obvious questions 🙂

untold slate
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I sincerely appreciate the help 🙂

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Also, in Z2M

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one sec

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It says

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Coordinator type
zStack3x0
Coordinator revision
20210120

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Which I think refers to the firmware running on the stick

graceful notch
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that might be possible, so I have honestly no idea weither it could still be a stick issue or something in your z2m

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there's nothing else running like deconz or so ?

untold slate
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Yeah, neither do I. When I have the time, I plan on moving the stick to another machine and installing z2m directly onto the OS. To see if it then works better.

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no, nothing like that

graceful notch
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I'd go and retry your aqara light sensor

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try to reset it

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put the stick in pairing mode

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try to pair the sensor, right next to the stick

untold slate
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so

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"put the stick in pairing mode" ... when you say that, you mean "set permit_join to true" ... or is there something else i need to do?

graceful notch
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oh hang on a minute, what config do you have set for z2m ?

untold slate
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its a bit much to paste in here ... but pretty straight-forward i guess?

graceful notch
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you can paste it in pastebin or something similar

untold slate
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i added an MQTT server setting, set permit_join to true

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sure, one sec

graceful notch
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i only need the z2m part 🙂

untold slate
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sorry so i'm copying the config of the z2m addon?

graceful notch
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yes

untold slate
graceful notch
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and perhaps set log level to debug

untold slate
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yeah i've been looking at that

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debug doesnt show anything

graceful notch
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and in the webgui (frontend) , no device either ?

untold slate
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correct

graceful notch
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and if you use something like mqtt explorer, there's no traffic seen either ?

untold slate
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i see stuff being published ... but nothing about my devices

graceful notch
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perhaps try changing the channel

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but I doubt that'll be it

untold slate
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yeah

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i think i'll just try that install on a debian machine

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see if that changes anything

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no docker, home assistant, addon or whatever around it. just z2m.

graceful notch
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yeah

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it should pair something though 😄

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but I have no experience with zzh or supervised instance

untold slate
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no worries. i really appreciate your attempt to help.

graceful notch
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onyl difference I notice in the config is that I also have device_options: legacy: false

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but you should atleast see a paired device though

untold slate
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let me try that

graceful notch
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also going to ask something stupid, you did use a coordinator firmware and not the firmware for router ?

untold slate
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hehe, i considered that

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so

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Coordinator revision
20210120

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is what i see on the inside of z2m

graceful notch
untold slate
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CC2652R_coordinator_20210120
CC2652R_router_20210128

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given mine shows that number for the coordinator version

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i think i've done the right firmware

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button?

graceful notch
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Adapters based on CC2652R, CC2652RB and CC1352P: single press (one of the) buttons on the device

untold slate
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single press to ... ?

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what, turn it on???

graceful notch
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reset/pair

untold slate
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hmmm

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ok let me try that

graceful notch
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some also have 2 serial devices and 2 buttons

untold slate
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nothing in the logs 😦

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pushed the button for two seconds, let go ... tried to pair both zigbee devices i have .... nothing shows up in the log

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so. yeah.

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i dunno 🙂

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Once I have done that reinstall, I'll let you know if it resulted into anything 🙂

graceful notch
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to me it has something to do with the button and sticking/flashing the stick back in

untold slate
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yeah i've seen that

graceful notch
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or just a bad stick

untold slate
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but z2m starts just fine

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the herdsman thing throws no errors

graceful notch
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no idea then

untold slate
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I'll try the reinstall.

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I ordered this zigbee bulb as a test. I've got super solid wifi in my apartment, so I was looking to order some wifi bulbs. Added a zigbee bulb to the order to give it a try.

graceful notch
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hang on

untold slate
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I think for permanently connected devices, I'll just stick to wifi 😉

graceful notch
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can you add this to your config:

  rtscts: false```
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The rtscts: false directive does not appear in the default configuration file but is crucial for the operation of zzh so please don't ignore that.

untold slate
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hah

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ok one second

graceful notch
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🤞

untold slate
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no difference 🙂

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argh

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ok i feel bad for all the time you're investing into this now

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thanks very very much

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i'll let you know how i get on

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where did you read about that rtscts: falses setting?

graceful notch
untold slate
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oh thats under serial, not advanced - retrying

graceful notch
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no no , it has to be under advanced, not under serial

untold slate
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yeah i just read that

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haha

graceful notch
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🙂

untold slate
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ok so i had it under advanced and it wasnt working

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alright ... leaving this for now

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thanks again!!

graceful notch
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no problem

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good luck with it 🙂

untold slate
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Thanks 🙂

azure tinsel
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Just received tubes zigbee coordinator and want to add a z2mqtt network. I installed the addon in Home assistant but apart from it eating almost 30% CPU it cant be opened in the UI. I keep getting bad gateway when trying to open it. DO i need to change things in the configuration. I cant really find what i need to change

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never mind my bad. the serial port needed to be adjusted 😅 i changed it in the yaml file but i needed to do this in the configuration tab in the UI

azure tinsel
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Wow the second light i add is allready not supported by z2mqtt... This is useless lol... back to zha then!

dry fossil
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All devices can be supported by Z2M and ZHA. Sometimes you just need to put in a little effort.

azure tinsel
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I can see that. write 2000 lines of code to get a light to work... that feels like not very worth the effort 😅

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wouldnt it atleast be logic that everything allready supported by zha would be able to be discovered by mqtt out of the box.

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damn thats a real bummer. i allready saw how lightning fast z2mqtt is. but im not going to add 60 lights this way

dry fossil
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2000 lines? That sounds like a slight exaggeration...

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And even if you needed dozens of lines, most would be a copy/paste from elsewhere.

azure tinsel
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my biggest concern with this is that when i added 80 of the 85 zigbee devices i have to it this way and then come accross a problem of a devices that wont work. If allready a common hue fugato spot isnt pairing then i really wonder what some less common devices will do

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and why isnt this process of manually writing converters not allready implemented by the z2mqtt code itself zo this is done automatically? Is this planned for the future release maybe?

dry fossil
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How on earth could it be automatic?

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Z2M doesn't just know what a device is, what its functionality is, or any non-standard behaviours.

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If you're lucky, it's just the same functionality as another similar device and you clone the code with a new ID. But how would Z2M know if that copy/paste was correct without user testing?

mild ruin
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I'm trying to make the Yookee D10110 window coverings (AKA Yoolax) to work with ZHA. Unfortunately, it seems the Yookee reports the window covering percentage in the "wrong" way, i.e. 100-x. This seems to have already been worked around in zigbee2mqtt, but ZHA is still confused. How could I fix that in ZHA?

dry fossil
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Ah, look. Non-standard behaviours 😂

azure tinsel
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I guess it finds the right way the same as i need to digging through all kinds of code trying to add a light that ZHA just configures in a few seconds...

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No wonder Home Assistant isnt used by the mainstream consumers. this is a big pain i tell you. and im very disapointed for sure

dry fossil
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ZHA doesn't know it's right. It assumes it's right. The end users are the ones that are left verifying that assumption.

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And as you can see by mazas' question. ZHA gets it wrong too.

dry fossil
azure tinsel
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its more like something more easy to setup

tropic depot
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Mono is right… we assume things are right and are wrong just as often as we are right because specs are never followed

azure tinsel
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i dont even know where to start... i have a fugato spot. So i need to write a converter for it. how in the hell do i find the right code to write in the js file?

tropic depot
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It’s incredibly hard to make everything “just work” and z2m does a fantastic job

azure tinsel
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can i use the standard bulb one?

violet dagger
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Use an existing fugato converter and add your modelid

tropic depot
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We all try to make this as good as possible for the users… I get it can be frustrating but this is not a simple area to operate in

azure tinsel
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i searched in the list and didnt find fugate amnong it or am i missing something

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i know.. everyone is trying. im just frustrated atm sorry..

violet dagger
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Wait till you get some new Tuya devices 🤣

tropic depot
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It’s all good, that’s how I started working on ZHA 😂

dry fossil
violet dagger
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You can always use Hue hub

azure tinsel
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yeah wel...

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it doesnt have to be that easy 😛

tropic depot
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Open an issue on the herdsman converter repo… konek is VERY responsive

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if not him, someone will likely try to help

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just follow the instructions and provide the info they need in the issue when you open it

azure tinsel
#

I think im gonna stick with ZHA on this one... This is too much for me. Can i have 2 ZHA integrations next to eachother while a move everything from my nortek stick to tubez network coordinator?

tropic depot
#

Not on the same HA instance

azure tinsel
#

crap

dry fossil
#

Z2M supports that 😂

#

Each integration has its pros and cons. Gotta balance your needs.

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Except deCONZ. That's all cons.

azure tinsel
#

Maybe ill try z2mqtt when im not angry anymore 😛

mild ruin
azure tinsel
#

you got to be kidding me. all fugatos are supported except for the ones i have

dry fossil
dry fossil
#

Pick something else with the same controls (i.e. same number of buttons)

azure tinsel
#

I guess if i look at the supported devices the only problem i have is the fugato and maybe our outsite light. the rest seems to be supported. man can i whine like a little baby 😛

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i ask some help for the fugato hope someone can help with that. the rest looks straight forward

dry fossil
valid flare
#

does anyone know if theres AC Infinity fans with built in zigbee? need to get some for server room currently at 45C

austere patio
#

If you make both use identical network settings, you'll be able to swap between the two coordinators for a while

untold slate
#

So, can I ask then ….. if a Zigbee device isn’t recognized by Z2M out of the box ….. how do I get it to work?

#

Zigbee is meant to not REQUIRE branded hubs, I’m told. But sometimes it requires a bit of work to get going through Z2M.

austere patio
#

Depends on the reason. If it's just an unknown manufacturer/model number variation of an existing device, you just add it to the appropriate converter. If it's a brand new device, you'll have to write a converter for it. If it's tuya, that requires a bit more effort.

untold slate
#

Mine is a Tuya Zigbee bulb.

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I’m happy to invest the effort 🙂

austere patio
#

What's the manufacturer and model name?

untold slate
#

Some non-brand. I’m not near the box right now.

austere patio
#

It would be reported by the bulb when joining

untold slate
#

Livingdewise A70?

mild ruin
# mild ruin I'm trying to make the Yookee D10110 window coverings (AKA Yoolax) to work with ...

Yookee/Yoolax is now working w. Z2M. Couple of items could probably be added to noob documentation: 1) You need to install the MQTT broker separately from z2m, 2) you need to know the device file name to use. I used the ZHA installation to give me the choices to choose from, something I believe the z3m install could do as well, 3) You need to install the mqtt autodiscovery to see your devices in HA. But overall, now the blinds work as expected👍 . Next stop: Integrate with Homekit 🙂

untold slate
#

I got one with WiFi and one with zigbee.

violet dagger
#

When you try pairing with z2m you will get the modelid and manufacturer

untold slate
#

Ok

dry fossil
untold slate
#

And with those, I do what?

dry fossil
#

Just commenting in here won't get them changed. Your comments will scroll off screen and the people that manage that site aren't in here 😉

austere patio
#

Usually you can Google the manufacturer name (should contain nonsense like _TZE200_zah67ekd) and see if deCONZ or ZHA have code that supports it

untold slate
#

But say they dont.

violet dagger
#

Depending on the bulb sometimes it's just a matter of adding a fingerprint to an existing converter

untold slate
#

Ok. That doesn’t sound like too much work.

#

Mine is a Tuya bulb though, which was more work?

violet dagger
#

Depends on the bulb

#

What is the model and manufacturer

untold slate
#

Livingdewise A70?

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That’s what the WiFi version is called. They’re sold in identical boxes, zigbee and WiFi version.

violet dagger
#

not the model and manufacturer

untold slate
#

Zigbee was just 30% more expensive.

violet dagger
#

usually is

austere patio
#

Zigbee has model and manufacturer attributes that Z2M will read when a device joins the network

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The exact values of those two attributes allow it to find the appropriate code to deal with a device

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Usually what's printed on the box has no relationship to those two attributes

untold slate
#

Oh. Yeah I can’t get Z2M to detect any devices. So that’s not helping 🙂

violet dagger
#

have you looked at the logs?

austere patio
#

So when you say Z2M doesn't support a device, are you getting the "device isn't supported" error in the log, or are you just unable to join a new device?

untold slate
#

I have. Nothing in there. Set to debug level.

untold slate
graceful notch
#

@untold slate your issue isn't that the device is not 'known' just your z2m instance isn't doing anything 🙂

untold slate
#

@graceful notch tried to help me with this earlier

austere patio
#

Are there any devices on your network?

graceful notch
#

I assume a broken stick, but it's a zzh one, so I have no experience with them 🙂

austere patio
#

I've yet to actually see broken hardware

untold slate
violet dagger
#

is it even flashed with proper firmware?

untold slate
#

@violet dagger I believe it is flashed with the latest version controller.

violet dagger
#

i'm more interested in facts

austere patio
untold slate
#

Ok. Z2m reports a controller version that is the same as the latest published version.

violet dagger
#

do you have other devices to pair with it?

untold slate
#

I have a xiaomi light sensor. Won’t pair either.

#

Nothing in the logs.

austere patio
#

So just two devices?

untold slate
#

Yeah …. Trying to get into zigbee. But … its not helping 🙂

#

The xiaomi sensor is listed as supported. And I’ve had it working on another z2m with an old sonoff stick, which i tossed when I got the zzh.

austere patio
#

Did you change the antenna on the ZZH stick or are you using the one it came with?

untold slate
#

The one it came with.

graceful notch
#

can I ask another Q

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have you tried with the firmware from koenkk ?

#

I just see that he has other firmware available

austere patio
#

Z-Stack 20210120 doesn't have any bugs that I'm aware of that affect device joining, but he did publish a new build a bit ago

untold slate
#

Don’t believe I tried that one.

austere patio
#

Are you flashing it with cc2538-bsl.py?

untold slate
#

Honestly I flashed it a few months ago when I first got it. So I genuinely don’t remember. I will have followed the instructions on the site at the time.

austere patio
#

Regardless of the method you use, make sure to fully wipe the stick instead of flashing the new firmware on top of the old

#

I suspect you may be affected by the Z-Stack bug that causes the child table to fill up completely with bogus entries and new joins will not be accepted

untold slate
#

That is something I do for my ESP devices, so if I had seen an opportunity to do that, I probably did. But it was a long time ago.

graceful notch
untold slate
#

That’s what I followed

graceful notch
#

no idea why i didn't catch that before

violet dagger
#

what do the logs say when you click permit join in z2m?

untold slate
#

Is what I followed, which is linked from the page you stated.

#

ok at my computer now

#

I run Z2M through the HA add-on

#

the config file has permit_join turned on

#

i turned it off

#

then when i turned it back on again

# 
Info Succesfully changed options```
#

One thing I noticed after talking to Chris earlier ... although the device is on /dev/ttyUSB0, this port is mapped into HA, that setting is reflected in Settings -> Seial

#

When I scroll through Settings -> Raw ... I see a different port mentioned.

violet dagger
#

z2m wouldn't start if the stick wasn't communicating properly

untold slate
#

Thats what I thought too.

#

I read somewhere Xiaomi can sometimes be stubborn and not want to connect with a new controller. Thats why I got the light bulb ... which is a fresh new device with no history. But that does not show up in the logs either.

violet dagger
#

that doesn't apply to zigbee 3.0 aqara devices

untold slate
#

So ... after a long trouble-shooting session with @graceful notch earlier ... I kind of concluded ... "let me install Z2M directly onto an OS, no docker or HA non-sense, and see if i can get it to work there.

austere patio
#

To clarify, were you able to ever join a single device?

untold slate
#

to this stick, no

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or ... no actually i dont know that for sure.

#

hang on let me see if i can track back some steps

austere patio
#

In the Z2M data folder there should be a coordinator backup JSON document

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Since you are using the public Z2M network key it won't contain any secret information

untold slate
dry fossil
#

Is the stick plugged directly into the host?

untold slate
#

Through a Belkin hub ... there is no space to directly plug it in

dry fossil
#

Use a USB extension cable. 50cm to 1m should do. Interference is a real issue with Zigbee sticks.

#

And I'd at least temporarily remove the hub from the equation in case that's causing problems.

untold slate
graceful notch
#

well I can add this, i'd try to see if with only the zzh stick plugged in, it works (or shows more debug info)

untold slate
#

@dry fossil I'll give that a try tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion. Other stuff is plugged into that hub that the mrs is using right now 🙂

graceful notch
#

i used to have issues with usb

untold slate
#

@graceful notch fair point

graceful notch
#

when other devices are plugged in

untold slate
#

but honestly ... if Z2M is talking to the stick fine ... ?

austere patio
#

Hmm, no, just shows that you have only a single device on the network

graceful notch
#

it looked like it worked, but devices didn't always respond

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i had a working setup, just didn't worked well when i plugged in an external ssd

untold slate
#

@austere patio Hang on, let me see on the other machine I would have had it connected to before.

graceful notch
#

same when i connected a usb stick to another device with the zigbee stick

#

it's like they share resources

dry fossil
untold slate
#

@austere patio Same. So, no, I've never had anything connected to this stick then, I guess.

dry fossil
#

Comms over the wire are fine. Comms over the air aren't.

austere patio
#

Z2M does default to channel 11

untold slate
#

Yeah I understand. Thats fair.

austere patio
#

Maybe change it to 25 and try that?

untold slate
#

thats the config of the HA add-on

#

also added to that was the 'advanced: rtscts: false' setting

dry fossil
austere patio
#

But not with WiFi channel 1

untold slate
#

oh and with device_options: legacy: false as well

dry fossil
#

Sure. And we don't know what channels rob is using 😄

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If he's using WiFi channel 11... 🤷‍♂️

untold slate
#

how do i find out?

austere patio
#

If it's any normal WiFi installation, it should be one of 1, 6, or 11

dry fossil
untold slate
#

unifi ap

austere patio
#

But the TI sticks don't really care about congestion all that much

untold slate
#

2.4 GHz
Channel
6HT20

austere patio
#

And unless you're streaming video 24/7, I doubt the beacon frames from the WiFi AP are going to drown out every single device trying to join the Zigbee network even if they do overlap

untold slate
#

so, channel 6 i guess

austere patio
#

So no overlap with Zigbee 11 (unless you have multiple APs on different channels)

untold slate
#

for the unifi

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i do not

graceful notch
#

tbh, i'd try with just plugging in the zzh stick in the usb ports and unplug all the rest

untold slate
#

Yeah, I'll do that. And remove the hub.

#

And if that does not work, move to a different host to see if that makes a difference.

#

does the stick draw significant juice?

dry fossil
#

Milliwatts

untold slate
#

somehow i recall a light blinking on the stick before, but i could be confusing it with the $5 sonoff i had before

#

the button on the stick ... i pressed it earlier (through the hole in the case) ... anybody know what thats for?

austere patio
#

It's to get the stick to enter its bootloader so you can flash new firmware

untold slate
#

oh ok ... so that only effects if pressed when plugged in, i guess

austere patio
#

Yeah, your problem seems to be either with the radio's placement or the devices you're trying to join somehow not actually being reset properly

untold slate
#

Hm. Ok.

#

I will continue my quest tomorrow.

#

It's getting late here.

#

Thanks to all of you for the help and support. Much appreciated.

austere patio
#

Good luck

untold slate
#

Thanks 🙂

gentle flint
azure tinsel
#

the things you can set/adjust is insane in z2mqtt 😎

#

you can even set the motion cooldown to 1 second on hue motion sensors🤣

dry fossil
#

You finally coming to realise that Z2M is the king? 👑

fresh shard
#

Sorry if this is in the wrong place but it kind of deals with both Zigbee and hardware. I was wondering if anyone knew of any zigbee related issues ie slow response of sensors seen by triggering automations late, that are related not to the zigbee devices but the device the zigbee stick is plugged into. I have run 2 different zigbee sticks (HUSBZB-1 and conbee) on both deCONZ and ZHA but obviously not conbee in deCONZ and continue having the same issues.

#

I am running them on a Home Assistant Blue

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Although I had to put in a different eMMC drive as the one mine shipped with was not functional.

dry fossil
#

Describe your issue in more detail. That's all very vague.

#

I was wondering if anyone knew of any zigbee related issues ie slow response of sensors seen by triggering automations late
What are you actually seeing?

fresh shard
#

In specific I have very late responses in automations that should trigger say when I enter a room. Sometimes nothing happens at all and others its very delayed

sour shadow
#

What does the Logbook show?

fresh shard
#

The only other sensors I have other than my zigbee are some grideye room-assistant sensors

#

Is there an easy way to monitor the logbook and filter everthing but say my motions sensors?

#

I think I'm going to write an automation that with audio states which sensor has been triggered.

#

thant might be my best bet

dry fossil
#

If the sensor updates instantly, it's your automation that's wrong. It your sensor updates later, it's the integration (Zigbee).

fresh shard
#

yeah but I have 3 sensors in one room the question becomes are all three triggering at some point or are only certain sensor working

dry fossil
#

Which you'll see in the logbook.

dry fossil
fresh shard
#

Yes you are right but sometimes things work perfect and others things dont work at all

dry fossil
#

Isolate, don't complicate.

fresh shard
#

You are right about that

#

I can give that a try just not sure how easy it will be to decipher between a bunch of sensor output that is happening all the time.

azure tinsel
#

Does z2mqtt not updates states when a light becomes unavailable or the brightness changes due to power outage? When i cut the power to a light z2mqtt will keep reporting its on and when putting power back on the light the brightness isnt updated. Is this normal?

austere patio
#

Many lights have "power on" settings for the brightness level and on/off state

#

I believe there is a "last" option

azure tinsel
#

i just want to know if can set it to be updated when a state changes. else if a light misses a command z2mqtt will report the wrong state in HA. So if im correct z2mqtt asumes a state when it has issued a command. it just assumes the state was issued by the light instead of actually polling for the state?

#

if i very rapidly change the color of a light bulb serveral times a second after a few tries HA is reporting the wrong color

#

and this isnt updated anymore

#

ZHA polls the states of every light. does z2mqtt do the same?

sour shadow
#

Not by default no

#

You can configure builbs to report their state though

austere patio
#

ZHA only polls some Hue lights. The rest send attribute reports when their state changes.

dry fossil
sour shadow
#

There's also the availability setting which you likely want

#

I want to see a bulb that can report it lost power 😛

azure tinsel
#

lol

dry fossil
#

It'd have to be really smart smart

azure tinsel
#

no but in ZHA it shows unavailable very soon after the power is cut

austere patio
#

Set the minimum reporting interval to 1s and you'll know pretty much instantly (though you probably won't be doing much else with your network due to the traffic)

sour shadow
#

So turn on availability reporting

azure tinsel
#

searching for it but cant seem to find it

sour shadow
azure tinsel
#

ok that works but now for example i set the light to red then turn it off. after 5 seconds HA shows the light is unavailable. when i put it back on it white again but in HA it still shows red. Is there a way to check the current state and report this back

graceful notch
#

I'm actually surprised that works, as mine just does it when I start the container 🙂

#

just once and then nothing 🙂

charred siren
#

On a similar note, are the reporting intervals in seconds?

graceful notch
#

The availability_timeout defines the interval in seconds

azure tinsel
#

it seems that z2m tries to get the state but fails Failed to read state of 'bureau lamp' after reconnect

sour shadow
azure tinsel
#

well to be rude again... that would be a hit and miss. If a light missed the command due to for example an interference it will be reported as on for all eternity while it never went on

graceful notch
#

you could change qos for that matter

sour shadow
#

I've never seen it happen - if the light is powered on then it all works

#

If it doesn't get the message, the state won't update in Z2M, or HA

graceful notch
azure tinsel
#

i just changed color of my led strip 10 times in a row and after a few it couldnt keep up and the wrong color was shown in HA its not even that hard to get it out of sync

#

so i could use qos 2 to be sure its received

graceful notch
#

that will only send the message 1 time

#

it's also the slowest

azure tinsel
#

where do i change qos? on the mqtt server in HA?

graceful notch
#

I do that in nodered, since that's where 90% of the magic happens for me

#

you can do it in ha also probably

dry fossil
graceful notch
#

and in z2m you can do it as well apparently 🙂

azure tinsel
#

per device if im correct

#

set the qos of 1 light to 2 and gonna see what the damage is 😛

#

its till lightning fast and the last change is always the color i picked even if it has some delay so maybe this is the way to go

#

wow you can really mess it up turning the light on and of 30 times lol it gets a terrible delay but in the end it will return the right state so this is good

violet dagger
#

whats the use case where you'd do that?

azure tinsel
#

there isnt but this way i can check if qos 2 is actually working

#

i just want to make sure that a command send by HA is excuted with a 100% certainty

graceful notch
#

I did that in the beginning, changed everything back to 0. And press a button again for the rare occasion it might get out of sync

frail oracle
dry fossil
#

Could be worse... it could be deCONZ.

#

You lot are so bad we send all the complaints to another server 😂

azure tinsel
#

i got banned there by that guy

#

he is still not over it apperantly

dry fossil
#

By Miimix? Don't mind him, he can't get the bot commands right.

obsidian sandalBOT
#

@frail oracle This command exists purely for Mimiix, because he couldn't remember .zigbee. Don't see him around so much any more though, maybe he also forgot where the server is?

Command '.pickyourstick' was invoked by: mono
azure tinsel
#

😆

dry fossil
#

❤️ you, Mimiix

last thicket
#

Is there a way to set a bulb to NOT repeat (eco smart)?

#

In ZHA

sour shadow
#

No

#

Devices are either routers, or they're not. You can't control that

last thicket
#

Ok, and I can’t force specific devices to connect to the coordinator?

#

The ecosmart does not repeat well, all low quality links but devices keep connecting to it

sour shadow
#

There's not a lot you can do, other than replace the bulb with one that works better

last thicket
#

Ok, I messed with source routing briefly but didn’t seem to change it

#

And I’m thinking it’s the cause of my ikea dimmers batteries going dead quickly. So I’ll try and remove the bulb and see what happens

austere patio
frail oracle
#

That command is mine

frail oracle
#

It ain't that hard

dry fossil
#

Play nice...

sonic frigate
#

Is there a commonly recommended zigbee TRV? I tested a Drayton Wiser TRV last year and the experience via z2m wasn't great. Just wondering if a year on there was a better solution?

azure tinsel
#

Been trying to make a herdsmen converter all night without any luck.. you don't need to install herdsmen or do I? I get a feeling I'm missing something

crude otter
#

it is better to have multiple zigbee to wifi bridges, or just use some mains powered zigbee devices as repeaters or whatever?

near echo
#

then zigbee-herdsman-converters/converters is the folder where your fromZigbee.js and toZigbee.js are located

untold slate
#

So, after interview_successful in Z2M, do I need to do anything to have the device join?

#

I've waited over an hour and I receive no readings from it.

gentle fern
#

Hi all. Is it possible to configure a device in Z2M in such a way that the device is Environment Lounge, the friendly name for the entities is a-la Lounge Temperature and the entity ids are a-la sensor.temperature_lounge?

#

I've tried

'0x00124b0022417771':
  friendly_name: Environment Lounge
  homeassistant:
    temperature:
      unique_id: temperature_lounge
      name: Lounge Temperature

but no luck

azure tinsel
#

@near echo that sounds complicated I hear allot about docker but no clue what that is. I installed ha on a raspi 4b

graceful notch
untold slate
#

It’s in the front end, recognized, but it hasn’t reported any status since I guess paired it.

#

Don’t know what the issue was. Just plugged it into the Debian machine and the Docker container works.

graceful notch
#

Did it recognize the correct model/manufacturer ?

#

If it is, I’d look on the z2m site to see what attributes or something else might need to be done

azure tinsel
#

Is herdsmen converter a custom component?

untold slate
#

This whole adventure isn’t making me very excited about Zigbee 🙂

graceful notch
#

well my experience was like a breeze to set up 😄

#

@untold slate did you also pair the sensor ?

#

i'd try with the sensor as well

untold slate
#

I held the button on the device until it started flashing, then a bunch of log messages. I’m not sure if there is anything else I should be doing in Z2M?

graceful notch
#

depends what the log says 😄

#

but normally no

#

not with my aqara and hue experience

near echo
azure tinsel
#

ok.. Its frustrating that the philips.js file in herdsmen is containing the fugato spot but a slight different version. I just need to add a few lines in the herdsmen and it will work correctly.. but if i cant use herdsmen converter. then this will not work. I guess there is allreadu a herdsmen file somewhere on my HA instance. cant i just add a device there? i know what lines to add

near echo
azure tinsel
#

and where would i find these herdsmen files

near echo
azure tinsel
#

i know

#

i saw that but where does this go in a HA installation on a raspi

#

custom components?

near echo
azure tinsel
#

Ok so i need to get this herdsmen installes on my pi some how

#

but i cant find how to do this

near echo
azure tinsel
#

allready tried that

near echo
#

hwoever, any changes you make using this would be reset if you restart the add-ons

azure tinsel
#

but the logs say herdsmen isnt found when i add one

untold slate
graceful notch
#

if it's the bulb, you should be able to turn it on/off if it's the sensor, it should report something

untold slate
#

Oh no, the bulb is an "unsupported device"

near echo
graceful notch
#

that's what it reported

#

so it works

untold slate
#

yeah but earlier today it reported that once and once only

#

let's see if it reports regularly now 🙂

azure tinsel
#

yes but when i do and change the external_converters: to

external_converters:
  - fugato.js

The addon isnt starting anymore and the logs say that herdsmen could not be found

graceful notch
#

normally it should report more if you put your hand in front of it, for a while

#

did you also turn on legacy_api in the config

untold slate
#

i did not. it is reporting values though.

near echo
azure tinsel
#

in the js file i use these lines at the top like in the example:

const fz = require('zigbee-herdsman-converters/converters/fromZigbee');
const tz = require('zigbee-herdsman-converters/converters/toZigbee');
const exposes = require('zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/exposes');
const reporting = require('zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/reporting');
const extend = require('zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/extend');

but im not really sure where: zigbee-herdsman-converters/converters/fromZigbee directs to.

graceful notch
#

i forgot wich sensor needed the legacy_api thing

azure tinsel
#

i cant find the map

#

ill post the logs 1 moment

near echo
untold slate
#

doesnt look like this one does, other xiaomi stuff has the legacy specifically mentioned

graceful notch
#

yeah this one doesn't really need the legacy_api thing

#

but it should report values fine

azure tinsel
graceful notch
#

I have one of them

untold slate
#

does it do that at a specific interval?

graceful notch
#

only if it notices a change in brightness

untold slate
#

ok

#

that makes sense

#

so yeah ... looks like this is working ... at least for the moment

#

the light bulb shows up in the logs as unsuppoted

graceful notch
#

do you have the log of that rob ?

untold slate
#

let me recreate that 🙂

graceful notch
#

maybe we can abuse an existing lightbulb to make this one work, without much effort 😄

untold slate
#

fingers crossed!

#

" Device '0xa4c13852dd444c48' with Zigbee model 'TS0505B' and manufacturer name '_TZ3210_6amjviba' is NOT supported"

graceful notch
#

does it look like that?

untold slate
#

no ... its an RGBW light bulb with E27 fitting

near echo
untold slate
#

note: it's branded as a Tuya bulb

azure tinsel
#

this is what i tried. this is copied out of the philips.js on the herdsmen docs

untold slate
azure tinsel
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and edited to my fugato model no

graceful notch
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you'd have to poke around on github to find those files somewhere

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I forgot how actually as I never needed it, just played with it months ago

untold slate
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Will give that a try tonight, when some of the chaps from last night are back.

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I mean, they seemed to be experienced with this stuff. Perhaps they'll be willing to help again as well.

azure tinsel
near echo
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leave all the "require" as it is

azure tinsel
#

putting that code in gives the same error Error: Cannot find module 'zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/extend'

graceful notch
azure tinsel
untold slate
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I would have long given up, as the wifi version of the bulb has been doing just fine. But the idea of being able to control the lights over zigbee without requiring a brand integration in HA ... is what is keeping me curious.

dry fossil
#

If you want someone really experienced with adding support to Z2M, have you considered asking the Z2M devs over on the Z2M server?

near echo
dry fossil
untold slate
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I'm on there, but there does not seem to be much activity.

graceful notch
#

@untold slate you'll see that the sensor will work fine, it's just a device that's not yet supported, that's making it tricky (and I don't know why your stick didn't work before)
or I was just lucky in the progress of installing mine

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😄

azure tinsel
untold slate
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Yeah it seems to be updating regularly now.

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as a result of me holding my hand over it 🙂

graceful notch
#

those sensors are pretty good, they seem consistent in what they read (from my experience)

azure tinsel
dry fossil
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I've never added support for a new device 😉

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I buy devices that work.

azure tinsel
#

Ok.

near echo
azure tinsel
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Im in the console what do i typ in

near echo
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or sudo docker ps

azure tinsel
#

i can need to put protection mode off one moment

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ok it worked

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i see a bunch of lines

near echo
#

those are all the containers. now try docker ps | grep zigbee

azure tinsel
#

ok one line

near echo
#

maybe we take this 1-1 - PM me

untold slate
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Giving Zigbee a spin to see what all the fuss is about 🙂

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actually ... i have 433mhz, 868mhz, milight, zigbee and wifi-based stuff

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nice and simple 😉

violet dagger
untold slate
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Yeah I dont understand the hate for wifi devices 🙂

dry fossil
# violet dagger amateur

I'm not averse to it. If I buy something that's not got support, I'm sure I'll be fine adding it. I'm a software engineer, so how hard can it be?

untold slate
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i have solid wifi all over my apartment and an access point that at least according to the specs can handle up to 300 devices.

dry fossil
#

I can understand why people who just dabble have some trouble. Node.js is my bread and butter.

violet dagger
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its not hard at all, i don't code and I managed to figure it out with the read/copy/paste method

graceful notch
#

the reading part is the most difficult

near echo
untold slate
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Yeah. Acknowledge that. So far, I've been using 433MHz sensors for that.

graceful notch
#

I live in a pretty big house with interference everywhere (thank you isolation) and zigbee seems to cover everything pretty good, so I like the fact you can just throw a sensor or button in a corner and it works 🙂

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without having to think about wifi coverage

violet dagger
graceful notch
violet dagger
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doesn't sound like a good work environment for me 😛

graceful notch
#

I once told my boss, I want to give them lessons in reading 😄

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or atleast comprehensive reading

near echo
untold slate
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Yep, Zigbee is the better protocol between those two. Hands down.

near echo
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well, by the thread is getting traction, that will be a terrific tech and will beat zigbee 🙂

untold slate
#

Not everyone seems to agree with that 🙂

#

Quite a discussion about that yesterday 🙂

#

To quote Marvin: "Man, I don't even HAVE an opinion"

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Does Received Zigbee message from '0xa4c13852dd444c48', type 'attributeReport', cluster 'genBasic', data '{"appVersion":78}' from endpoint 1 with groupID 0 mean anything to anyone?

dry fossil
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433MHz doesn't acknowledge messages. It's messy and ends up with things in the wrong state.

untold slate
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I don't really have strong opinions on this stuff.

hoary crest
#

oof don't remind me about my 433MHz voyage ... had my roller shutters controlled by 433MHz and some neighbour ended up using the same channel as i did so in the middle of the night sometimes my shutter opened or closed in the middle of the day ... could never find which neighbour it was, so in the end i forced him to change channels by sending random commands during the day until he got annoyed by his devices misbehaving i guess 😄

untold slate
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Sort of like my Zigbee voyage 😉

azure tinsel
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lol last post on the zigbee2mqtt discord is from 14 days ago. On github no one is responding. i would almost think zigbee2mqtt is dead

untold slate
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I posted a whole bunch of messages. Didn't even check how long ago the previous messages were posted.

sour shadow
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Yesterday being 14 days ago... smart

untold slate
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The channel I'm in had previous messages on the 6th.

azure tinsel
#

tinkerer do you know anythin about external converters

sour shadow
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I know that there's guides for doing that

azure tinsel
#

im trying for almost 2 days to add a fugato spot

sour shadow
azure tinsel
#

yes i followed it

#

but keep getting these errors Error: Cannot find module 'zigbee-herdsman-converters/lib/extend'

dry fossil
#

Then you're not adding the files where it expects to find them.

sour shadow
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Version of Z2M?

azure tinsel
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adding there lines to the js file will result in the logs telling me the module cant be found const zigbeeHerdsmanConverters = require('zigbee-herdsman-converters');

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1.18.1-1

dry fossil
#

Share the file structure of the folder that contains the file you added that require too. You can use the tree command if you're SSH'd in.

sour shadow
#

So, old but not that old

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The bug I found that matches the error should be fixed in it

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Still worth upgrading to something vaguely current

dry fossil
#

tree -L 1 --dirsfirst

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If the output is long, share with a code sharing tool.

azure tinsel
#

i get command not found: tree

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But tinkerer so this version contains a bug thats causing this?

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man you guys are so vague all the time..

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😅

sour shadow
#

If I knew I'd tell you

#

You too can:

  1. Google shit
  2. Try stuff out for yourself
azure tinsel
#

yes i have been trying for 2 days

dry fossil
#

Vague? 🤔

sour shadow
azure tinsel
dry fossil
graceful notch
dry fossil
#

Google is how I still have a job as a dev smart

graceful notch
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google-fu is something everyone should master

#

might be useful for some 🙂

dry fossil
#

Noice. Some operators in there I hadn't seen before.

graceful notch
#

same 🙂

#

like the tilde

azure tinsel
#

indeed google is the magic word here when someone pretends to know what hes talking about but actually has no clue how to help

#

if you have no clue how to help, atleast say you dont and stop making fun of people who are looking for an answer

noble lion
#

Hi all - Happy Sunday!
I have a ZZH adapter physically plugged into a NUC which runs HA inside Proxmox. Two USB devices are passed through, the ZZH and one (NanoCUL) for EvohomeCC snooping. Both work well in this config but recently, the zigbee stick isn't seen inside HomeAssistant until I physically remove and reinsert it (after boot). Does anybody have any similar experience / tips?

echo flint
#

Can anyone verify that the GE Enbrighten switches work with the zigbee integration in HA? The wording in the documents make it sound like they may be using a special flavor of zigbee.

graceful notch
molten linden
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pretty sure one of the ZHA dev's uses them and they are standard spec compliant zigbee

azure tinsel
#

not that anyone cares but i fixed it after 2 days... if you want to know how. you can google it.

dry fossil
#

No-one knows everything. And definitely no-one starts out knowing everything. We get there by learning, which is an active process and involves effort.

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People have tried to help you plenty, both with your current Zigbee issues these last few days and with other issues in the past. Your response is rude and inconsiderate after all the effort they've put in.

noble lion
#

Also, Anybody any experience with Heiman HS3MS motion sensors? I can't get them to pair at all - used to work on my SmartThings hub.
I see no interview messages in MQTT explorer so not convinced I have the pairing action right

sour shadow
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You said ZZH before, but not whether you're using ZHA or Z2M

noble lion
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Z2M with ZZH stick

sour shadow
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I know I can't get my Terncy devices to pair at all with my ZZH (also using Z2M)

noble lion
#

hhmm, I hadn't even considered it could be a coordinator issue, I have another CC2652 (slaesh's). Now to decide if firing the pair up is worth it for two old motion sensors.....

graceful notch
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I wouldn't use 2 coordinators

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might make things go craycray

uneven ruin
#

I'm running zha and z2m currently. 2 coordinators

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testing

noble lion
#

Sounds easier to just bin these fellas. Thanks all!

gentle flint
molten linden
sour shadow
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I'll be sure to tell my Proxmox install that, given it's never given me any issues

gentle flint
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Your install is magical, and even xiaomi never fall off the network :)

sour shadow
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I have had them fall off, but only in the first 24 hours. If they make it past that they'll be fine

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I do have a good selection of routers though

novel cloud
#

Does anyone know how to get the transition settings to work with the home Depot ecosmart ZigBee bulbs?

sour shadow
#

Which Zigbee integration?

silver basalt
#

A year ago I heard talk that Xiaomi Aqara motion sensors would be upgraded to Zigbee 3.0, did that ever happen?

austere patio
silver basalt
#

Okay, thanks.

cerulean thorn
#

Yes thats officially confirmed

candid jewel
#

Will I be missing out on anything if I do not get an Aqara Hub? I want to get Aqara products since they're less expensive, but I'm not sure if I need the hub.

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I've got the nortek USB stick for Z-Wave & Zigbee

cerulean thorn
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No

fresh shard
#

I've looked everywhere but cant seem to find it. Does anyone know where I can find instructions on how to reset philips hue bulb with out remote or hub. I think it was done with the CC2531 or something

fresh shard
#

Found it, In case anyone else is looking its called hue-thief

sour shadow
ruby crystal
#

hey everyone, got a weird one i can't narrow down. When upgrading to HA 2021.8.3 suddenly my ZHA becomes unstable, about every 5-10 mins i get an error that a duplicate or delayed message was processed. After that any of my zigbee sensors are slow to update for the first time, then theyre fine until the error occurs again 5 minutes later. It affects multiple devices and if I downgrade HA the issue stops immediately. I already tried updating the firmware on the Conbee II to no avail and tried messing with directly connecting the USB versus the extension cable. Has anyone had any issues going to 8.3? I couldn't find any reported issues on github and really didn't know where to go with it. I'm currently back on 7.2 and zigbee is back to being bulletproof

sour shadow
#

Tried 8.4?

ruby crystal
#

I have not, I can give that a try. At least I know the errors in my log file now to look for

#

same error on 8.4

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No response to 'Command.aps_data_indication' command with seq id '0x7c'
6:56:20 PM – (WARNING) /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/zigpy_deconz/api.py
Duplicate or delayed response for 0x:7c sequence
6:56:20 PM – (WARNING) /usr/local/lib/python3.9/site-packages/zigpy_deconz/api.py

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took 3 minutes to occur after updating after 3 hrs of stable on 7.2

sour shadow
#

If there's no open issues I'd open one about that, doubt you're alone

ruby crystal
#

thanks for that, off to github I go

azure tinsel
#

When opening the map on z2m i see the lqi for each device. All of them have 2 values with a / between. The description tells me its multiple type of links. What does this mean exactly?

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One is very low and the other is pretty high

tropic depot
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rssi and lqi

sour shadow
#

Didn't think Z2M supported RSSI

#

Somebody did post a link to the details - buried in a Github issue - but I can't find it now

lean creek
#

Hello, i have a problem with the newest version of homeassistant core
can everyone help me?
I have three blackout blinds from IKEA. with a older version i can edit these blinds. with the newest version i dont
i can see the blackout blinds by the application zigbee2mqtt and can make the blind turn up/down. Basicly not about the Homeassistant

sour shadow
#

Make sure you're also running a recent version of Z2M - 1.20 or later

lean creek
#

Version 1.18.1 is running and i have no update for zigbee2mqtt

sour shadow
#

Then you're running it from the old repository

#

If you're stuck on Zigbee2MQTT 1.18.1 and you're using the add-on, then be aware that the add-on repository moved in February 2021. If you first installed before then, and you haven't updated your Supervisor configuration, then Home Assistant is still looking at the old, not being updated, repository. https://github.com/zigbee2mqtt/hassio-zigbee2mqtt/issues/52#issuecomment-792873888 covers how to switch repository.

sour shadow
#

Thought that was pinned before, but it was on another server

foggy dragon
#

Alright I have a weird one. Migrated from Sonoff Zigbee Bridge to Tube’s CC2652P2 USB Coordinator. Coverage seems great and everything is working much more reliably. But the LQI's are all under 90 (Most in 30s to 40s) for every device (which I would guess is wrong) and the RSSI is unknown. Is this expected, some sort of error with my setup, or some sort of bug?

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(I should also mention this is ZHA)

molten linden
#

all the different radio chips TI/SiLabs/Noridc/NXP calculate lQI/rssi differently. really the best test is whether a device works or not.

foggy dragon
#

I still do have (I mentioned on Friday) a weird Rogue entity called Silicon Labs EZSP that has 7 children...

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I guess I should say "Device" not entity

molten linden
#

it's the left over from your old coordinator. the children should drop off over time, but I thought a PR to be able to delete old coords was made a while ago, but I don't see how to do it at the moment...

foggy dragon
lean creek
sour shadow
#

Ok agooglethumbsup

lean creek
#

I see all my devices and can configure these when i open the ui. but the homeassistant can't find the entities

sour shadow
#

Did you upgrade Z2M?

#

Did you enable Home Assistant support in Z2M's UI?

lean creek
#

nope the version is 1.18. and a 1.20 version i doesnt found

sour shadow
#

Then you didn't change repo yet

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1.21 is the current version anyway

lean creek
#

i cant find a newer version about supervisor

sour shadow
#

Unfortunately I don't use add-ons, but that processes has worked for others as recently as last week

lean creek
#

i now use the github link for the repo and it was found

#

what a shit, thanks for your help 🙂

sage plume
#

Im musing getting some door contact sensors to help with automations, looking at these Aqara Zigbee devices, dont know if anyone has tried using these with HA/Deconz rather t han the standard Aqara hub?

sour shadow
#

ISTR folks use them with deCONZ just fine

sage plume
#

My understanding is they are just flat Zigbee, so will be happy connecting to Deconz/Conbee?

obsidian sandalBOT
#

deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

Probably going to get faster yes it works or no it doesn't on their Discord though

oak root
#

Hi, anyone has any experience with Sonoff BasicZBR3 as a router? Does it work well?

#

I currently have a Tasmotised Sonoff Zigbee Bridge as a coordinator, with several sonoff zigbee motion and door sensors. Wondering if a BasicZBr3 would be effective in improving the mesh.

spare iron
#

Don't have experience with that device, but I see it is a powered device, and those are usually ok as router.

sour shadow
#

Some two wire (no-earth) switches/dimmers don't though

spare iron
#

Indeed, there are always exceptions (in my experience no earth has been no reliable indicator, some may have other experiences), however in the meantime I checked this device as well, and it functions as a router according to several users.

rigid zodiac
meager sail
#

hi guys, im using a conbee 2 stick with deconz and after almost a year with no problems im having kind of stability issues

#

some lights are not reacting properly, one was even flickering

#

its a mixed network, about 40 devices, mostly hue and aqara

#

any ideas? maybe its a recent deconz version? im using auto update

#

my conbee 2 version is 2.11.05 / 9.5.2021, firmware is 26660700

obsidian sandalBOT
#

deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
#

You could ask the folks over there, but also check for interference from WiFi

meager sail
#

i have no neighbors

#

the only wifi here is my own, im using ubiquiti unifi

#

thanks, ill ask there

sour shadow
#

Did you check to ensure you're not stomping on the Zigbee channel though?

meager sail
#

my 3 APs inside the house are using channel 1/6/11

#

my zigbee network uses channel 11

sour shadow
#

Zigbee channel 11 is stomped on by your AP using channel one

meager sail
#

1 AP with 5 clients is already enough? seems not like its a problem

#

what about people with lots of neighbors and different wifis? im having a mostly ideal situation here

sour shadow
meager sail
#

ok im sorry

sour shadow
#

There's 3 or 4 Zigbee channels that are pretty clear of typical WiFi channel use

meager sail
#

ok, so it seems like i should switch the zigbee channel, alright, i have read the metageek article

#

so zigbee channel 24 seems like my best option, if 26 isnt supported by some devices, right?

sour shadow
#

24?

#

Really?

#

Looks like 15, 20, 25, and 26 to me

ZigBee_Channels.png
meager sail
#

my bad

#

i'll try 15, as my most active AP is using wifi channel 11

ashen coral
#

Also remember that your wifi router may switch channel automatically if it feels the old one is too noisy.

#

Some do. Not all.

meager sail
#

it was configured to switch automatically, i already set it to static a few minutes ago

fresh shard
#

So I'm trying to use Hue-Thief to get control of my Hue Bulbs again. Does anyone know if a HUSBZBZ-1 is compatible with Hue-Thief? It looked from the documentation that it should be but I'm having issues it.

# 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./hue-thief.py", line 2, in <module>
    import pure_pcapy
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pure_pcapy'```
#

I've tried on both a RPi and Ubuntu for windows and both give the same error

dry fossil
#

Sounds like you don't have the dependencies installed. You'll want to look at how to do that.

fresh shard
#

@dry fossil I did this step is that not enough?

#

pip3 install --user -r requirements.txt

dry fossil
#

You don't need to tag me. If I'm away, I'm not coming back 🤷‍♂️

#

That should be enough but it's clearly saying it can't find it.

austere patio
#

Use a virtualenv: ```
$ virtualenv -p 3 venv
$ source venv/bin/activate
(venv) $ pip install ...
(venv) $ sudo venv/bin/python ...

#

Or add your user to the appropriate group so that you can access serial ports without becoming root

fresh shard
#

Mono I'm sorry I guess I tag people because of the way I use Discord and the tag helps me personally because I seem to miss messages and it helps me. But note taken and again Sorry

#

Thanks puddly you are absolutely right

#

I'm going back to the pi now becuase its going to be much more straight forward there vs using ubuntu in windows.

#

And now it magically works thanks guys

tiny timber
#

Just replaced all my crappy Wyze sensors with shiny new Aqara ones. Incredibly smooth experience with ZHA. No issues at all. Now I no longer need MQTT either.

meager sail
#

@sour shadow just changed my channel, as of right now all my lights are working properly, thanks for heading me into the right direction

obsidian sandalBOT
#

Tinkerer is away for 3h 9m 11s with a message :point_right: 👈

naive fossil
#

Hey everyone
I'm just starting out with Home Assistant, mainly because I want more control over my devices and will probably add more in the near future.
Right now, I have lights (Lidl) and smart plugs (Action/ LSC) connected via a (Silvercrest/ Lidl) Zigbee bridge in the Tuya app. I added Tuya integration to Home Assistant, but it only shows the plugs. Has anyone been in the same situation? Should I just buy a Conbee 2 like every thread I've googled reccomends?
Thanks!

ancient bane
#

I have a CC2531 I got from ebay early 2020 pre-flashed. Zigbee2Mqtt quit working and it seems it's the dongle, FAQ says I should re-flash it. I don't have the programmer to do that (unless a FTDI TTL-232 cable would work). I presume it wouldn't be worth it to buy a programming cable for it at this point. Would it be better for me to get a ZigStar on tindie ($40) or a nortek from amazon ($52) - I already have a Aeotek Z-stick for z-wave so I don't need it to be a combo device, but it could be handy.

mighty river
#

not sure if this is the right channel, but has anyone found a cheap(<80 euro's) but good/decent, no-soldering solution to measure the CO2 levels of a room?

violet dagger
ancient bane
ancient bane
mighty river
shrewd plaza
#

Hi, Xiaomi devices doesn't want to connect directly on a router (Lidl outlet) but directly on the coordinator same if I'm going so far from coordinator. It is normal?

#

with Z2M

sour shadow
#

It's normal with Zigbee

shrewd plaza
#

Why ? Normaly it need to work with coordinator and router

sour shadow
#

Devices pick their "best" route to the coordinator

#

If it can go direct "well enough" it will

shrewd plaza
#

At my position, it can't go direct. But my Lidl outlet is near from it but it don't want to connect on it.

sour shadow
#

If it can't reach the coordinator it'll route via the router. Just pair it in place and it'll work out what works for it

austere patio
#

Selectively permit joins only on that router and re-join the device to your network

shrewd plaza
#

I have already done this but it still does not work. I am not the only one with this weird behavior while looking at the forums

austere patio
#

What do you mean "does not work"? I'm not familiar with Z2M's network map but if you permit joins only through that router, the device has no choice

sour shadow
#

That was broken before 1.21

#

Not that I've ever had something join via a coordinator it can't reach

shrewd plaza
sour shadow
#

Is there an actual problem? Is the device not working?

shrewd plaza
#

It work when the device is connected directly to the coordinator but not with a router. I would like to install a sensor in my letterbox

#

Which is far from my zigbee key

sour shadow
#

Are you pairing it in place?

#

That is, in the letterbox?

bronze apex
#

My slaesh is in the country! Time to order some aqara sensors. Is there anything I need to know before I order some? Any particular versions or anything I need to know?

graceful notch
#

buy enough 😄

sour shadow
#

Though I'd say buy too many, because enough isn't enough 😛

#

Xiaomi are cheap and work well as long as you have the right routers. Tuya and Sonoff are ... sometimes ok and sometimes junk ... just avoid them.

bronze apex
#

Starting with 4 motion sensors smart

graceful notch
#

I bought like 4 of everything before the import taxes began 😄

sour shadow
#

I love the Xiaomi Mijia light sensors, otherwise I'm equally happy with my Konke and Xiaomi sensors

bronze apex
#

Wish I done that, yeah gonna get mostly aqara stuff I think before expanding beyond that. I'd quite like to make my own weather station some day too

dry fossil
#

What's wrong with that weather station?

shrewd plaza
sour shadow
#

Well, that's your problem - you're doing it wrong

#

Always pair in place

sage plume
#

I dunno, I find my Sonoff with Tasmota are one of the most stable bits of my HA setup.. 😄

shrewd plaza
sour shadow
analog vapor
#

Hello everyone:

Would like to know if ZHA has the capability to set power loss recovery modes for Philips Hue Lights? Any one has experienced this?

tiny timber
#

Does Zigbee re-mesh at any point? Or will it always try and use the closest router when it was initially paired?

dry fossil
#

It will self-heal, yes.

#

Some devices are 'sticky' and don't like to move to a new neighbour (some Xiaomi, for example). Most should move when they think there's a better route.

tiny timber
#

And the map won't actually show the links for battery devices unless they're actively communicating? My map just has the sensors floating without any links, but they're all working.

dry fossil
#

The map can only show what it knows at the time of building that representation. I wouldn't worry about it.

serene notch
#

good and (relatively) cheap devices that will act as zigbee repeaters? (US)

echo flint
#

@serene notch i tried all combo nations of cheap coordinators and always had problems until I got TubeZB stuff.

tiny timber
#

IKEA Tradfri sockets seem to work well enough here.

fleet lodge
#

Quick confirmation: When I replace ZZH with Tube Coordinator (Z2M), I do not need to repair my devices? What about PAN_ID? Or is it really just plug-and-play switch?

austere patio
fleet lodge
#

Z2M

austere patio
#

Pretty sure it's plug and play

#

Though I think it will fail to start if the coordinator backup doesn't match the network settings stored in the device

fleet lodge
#

Yeah that's what I'm afraid of

# 
$ python -m zigpy_znp.tools.network_backup /dev/serial/by-id/old_radio -o network_backup.json (ZZH)
$ python -m zigpy_znp.tools.network_restore /dev/serial/by-id/new_radio -i network_backup.json (Tube Coordinator)
#

then it is plug-and-play?

austere patio
#

Yeah, then they should be identical

azure tinsel
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I think I'm gonna revert back to ZHA until Z2M supports polling devices... Yesterday my motion sensor fell of the grid after detecting motion it had been offline for a few hours and went back online. The problem isn't that this happened... The problem is that Z2M doesn't check the state when it's available again but instead just sets the assumed state in home assistant in which the motion detector went from unavailable to motion detected and stayed in that state for hours leaving the lights on. This is not acceptable for me. Assuming states is not acceptable when building a reliable smart home. Until Z2M starts polling devices to get the actual state instead of assuming it I'm going back to ZHA.

graceful notch
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imo you can 'poll' powered devices with Z2M but zigbee devices aren't actually made for that.

sour shadow
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And it's always possible to open feature requests against Z2M. If nobody ever asks for "polling" then it's not likely to turn up

tiny timber
# azure tinsel I think I'm gonna revert back to ZHA until Z2M supports polling devices... Yeste...

I don't think ZHA polls. Zigbee is made to be a push communication, not a pull. As I understand it, each device will only report when its state changes (to save battery). They generally also have their own 'heartbeat' where it reports at specific fixed intervals. ZHA and Z2M basically have the same problem in that they may not accurately know the state of a device. ZHA has the "consider unavailable after x seconds" setting, which will reflect unavailable if no state changes/heartbeat updates happen during that time.

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The one problem you may be experiencing is MQTT retained messages, but I don't know much about that to comment.

tiny timber
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Anyone know if it's possible to adjust the sensitivity of an IKEA motion sensor? Have one at my front door and it triggers every time a car goes past. Or should I just 3D print a shroud to aim the detection cone down?