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sour shadow
grand abyss
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wow, missed that I guess... that is what happens when stuff "just works" I guess 😄 Thanks, I had a feeling I was looking at two different codebases or something. ❤️ now to figure out if I can just swap over or if I have to repair 47 devices!

sour shadow
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The first link covers all you need

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If you follow it step by step it'll migrate cleanly

grand abyss
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Can also confirm the plug support was added in 1.19 so that checks out too, thanks!

sour shadow
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1.19 brought some known issues if you use a TI coordinator, but if you have one of those the log file will tell you what the problem is and how to fix it

grand abyss
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I have a usb-Silicon_Labs_slae.sh_cc2652rb_stick that is a TI chip iirc, but Ill have a go at it and see if and where I get stuck. I see its related to pan id, and Im running a custom one from last time I swapped the stick. 🤞

sour shadow
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It is, but not in the way you think 😄

grand abyss
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well that was a 7 step butterly smooth fix, even the joined device that started it all just happely came along working with a smile.

runic thicket
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Oh no! It's the same one I use. Seems fine so far...

turbid pewter
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Hi, if I'm discovering zigbee2mqtt devices via zigbee2mqtt topic, should I set homeassistant: false ?

dry fossil
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Actually, I think I have it backwards... you want to set homeassistant: true if you want the autodiscovery to kick in.

austere patio
honest salmon
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hello , i have problem with my zigbee2mqtt network. A day ago my CC2531 lost connection with all my devices. I did restart my HASS, hole server, remove dongle form USB port and putting back and still not connect. Can you advise me , how to proceed

rocky mauve
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The pin from hellcry to scan for best zigbee channel - run it exactly like that with haos installation?

graceful notch
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@honest salmon pull the power of one device and start it back up after 10sec. If that doesn’t work, you might have to re-pair everything, but start with 1 device . (I suppose there’s nothing else connection to the usb ports?)

burnt niche
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I have recently rebuilt my home assistant that was installed on Ubuntu on an Intel nuc. it is now running on the official intel nuc build. I restored my intance from my snapshot backup. Unfortunatley though my deconz instance will no longer discover my zigbee lights. I have a conbee 2 .

honest salmon
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re-paring did solve the problem. But i'm not happy with that

graceful notch
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@honest salmon don't got any other solution for that, if just a 'reboot' of the sensor/device didn't work out. Maybe someone that has the same hardware might know a trick though

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but I doubt it

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@burnt niche are other devices working ?

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I discovered that with a conbee2 stick, I just have to restart the lightbulbs if I copy configs over

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but I'm not running the intel nuc build (still docker)

burnt niche
graceful notch
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for my hue bulb i just disconnected it, and put it back in

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and they came back alive

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I must say that I run my zigbee instance with join always on

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but I heard people saying deconz is doing weird things sometimes (I only use it to upgrade my stick(s))

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is there nothing to see in the logs what might be wrong ?

burnt niche
graceful notch
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what you can do (what I would do) is remove one bulb and try to add it back again

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i think there might be an issue with the db of the devices

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or the stick now has another channel or network id

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but your backup normally should've made that the same as before

west loom
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I am using conbee with aqara sensors. I moved to new hardware and now my automations don’t work. How can I confirm that there is connection between the conbee stick and aqara door sensors?

uneven ruin
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see if the device is present

gentle flint
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Have you updated the firmware? Original firmware kicks out end devices every 24 hours. Add xiaomi compatible routers or update firmware

left geode
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I am hoping I am in the right place for my question. I wanted to know, are all zigbee devices compatible with home assistant zha? I am looking for a smart bulb that is compatible on Amazon.

dry fossil
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There are lists of known-supported devices in the topic and pins.

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If something's not on the list, there's a chance (but no guarantee) that it could be supported.

left geode
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@dry fossil I on the pins but don’t see a list for zha

sour shadow
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There is no official list for ZHA, because of the reason explained in one of the pins

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There is an unofficial list in the pins

left geode
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@sour shadow so if a I buy a zigbee bulb on Amazon it’s 50/50 hit or miss it will work with home assistant zha?

sour shadow
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Well, no

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If you check the unofficial hardware list and it's listed as supported, you should be fine

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If you don't check, or it's not listed, then it really depends on how standards compliant that random bulb is

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If it's fully standards compliant, it should work

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If it's not... who knows

austere patio
wide nimbus
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If something pairs, can you always “make it work”?

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I just got my first unsupported device 🙂

austere patio
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Yes

wide nimbus
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Sounds like a dumb question, likely is… I get non-standard quirky stuff, just wandering is an initial pair is enough for quirks

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Great! Thanks

austere patio
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If you're using Z2M, then it considers any device that isn't explicitly supported as "unsupported". In that case, "supporting" the device usually involves just adding its manufacturer and model name to the appropriate handler.

wide nimbus
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Yeah, mine pairs but it’s the first time I’ve had an unsupported device. It’s from a manufacturer that’s already on the supported list just a totally different type (struggling to see similar too) - wish me luck!

austere patio
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Probably Tuya...

wide nimbus
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Na

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Well don’t think so hehe, none of the other devices are - it’s a salus “clamp meter” - ecm600

austere patio
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Ah. That might be simpler then.

wide nimbus
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I’m a bit of a noob but can hopefully figure it out and stick in a pr

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Was nice and cheap (from eBay, an ecosystem that’s reasonably expensive that I bet no one uses) and seems like a nice way of monitoring whole house energy use

obsidian bison
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hey, has anyone seen any door sensors that update periodically?
so far I've tried Aqara, Tuya and some no-name 433MHz ones, but all seem to only send a message on contact -- if you miss that, you're stuck with the old status

austere patio
sour shadow
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Can't say I've experienced missing messages with Zigbee

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I see it very occasionally on my Z-Wave mesh, but it's damned rare there

obsidian bison
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are devices buffering/retrying them if the gw is down?

sour shadow
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Your gateway goes down?

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You should fix that

austere patio
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I don't believe for more than a few seconds. Yeah, why would your coordinator be going down?

obsidian bison
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eh I keep messing with zigbee2mqtt on a pi zero, I just did an upgrade and it took like 30 minutes

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it would be nice to know the status of my doors after it comes back up

austere patio
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You may have better luck running ser2net on the pi zero and Z2M on a more capable computer, though if you're doing that over WiFi you may run into more problems.

obsidian bison
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a PIR will make lots of noise and still last a long time on battery, so DS updates every ~10 minutes would be awesome

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interesting, I could try that

sour shadow
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Docker makes life so much easier at upgrade time

obsidian bison
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I was considering moving the dongle to my main HA machine, but it's down in the basement so I'd have to get a couple of plugs to reliably mesh it there

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yeah, tell me about it, I can't get z2m to start on docker on the zero

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not sure why

sour shadow
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Probably Zero related

obsidian bison
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I've been running it directly in tmux for a long time now, it just works

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but like I said, the npm install is painful

sour shadow
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Yeah, so glad I moved away from that

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Pull, restart, done

obsidian bison
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will a coordinator like that bridge directly to mqtt?

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or do I still need z2m on another machine?

sour shadow
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No, you still need Z2M

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If you wanted to you could use a Tasmota Zigbee gateway, but those things are damn limited

austere patio
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Tube's ethernet coordinator is like ser2net + a dongle in a box. Z2M can connect to it just the same as it does to a dongle over USB serial.

obsidian bison
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yeah I have a module that should work with an esp8266, might be able to run tasmota on it

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iirc the range isn't that great though

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I'm totally trying to move the zero to ser2net

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but back to my original question, any DS that will update periodically?

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any idea whether you can get any of them to send updates?

dry fossil
obsidian bison
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😕

austere patio
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You might be able to set up attribute reporting for the on/off attribute, but I'm not sure if that's something anybody ever implements

obsidian bison
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that's not great

austere patio
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Making sure your coordinator doesn't go offline is a better solution. I know Aqara sensors will send their state every hour or so.

obsidian bison
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I have some cheap 433MHz door sensors that only update on closing the contact, as far as I can tell

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damn useless

sour shadow
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Sensors that periodically report their state is likely to be viewed as a waste of time and battery life

obsidian bison
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well the PIR can make tons of noise and still last a long time, so the DS should be able to ping every now and then

sour shadow
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Simply moving off a Zero is likely to be an easier solution

austere patio
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Tuya and Aqara are the two brands that don't really follow the spec at all so the Aqara definitely don't support attribute reporting config, Tuya probably doesn't as well. I'll have to double check with spec-compliant sensor.

sour shadow
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Hue, maybe, then 😄

obsidian bison
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yeah, I started off with Aqara, just installed a few Tuyas today

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they're huge and the included magnets are useless

sour shadow
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Tuya seem to be worse than Xiaomi for following standards

obsidian bison
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I really love Aqara sensors, small and great looking

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apparently the door sensors also give you temperature? just saw that today

sour shadow
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A useless one 😉

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The Terncy door/window sensors are even smaller and better looking FYI - though mine refuse to pair shrug

austere patio
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It's the temperature of the microcontroller. Only useful if you want to know if it's hot or not. I think they're accurate to within 10-20 degrees of the ambient temperature.

sour shadow
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Yeah, that seems about right, based on what I see

obsidian bison
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ah good for fire detection then

sour shadow
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They read "high" by a pointless amount

obsidian bison
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btw, any good zigbee smoke alarms?

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I only found a few 433MHz ones, not that many options

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zigbee would be particularly well suited for that, could bind them to a siren or something

austere patio
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I wouldn't trust a Zigbee smoke alarm very much, especially when it's interacting with a Pi Zero 😆

obsidian bison
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the zigbee part is a bonus, I still want it to make noise

dry fossil
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I'd think 433 actually makes more sense for an alarm.

sour shadow
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Personally I'd buy a quality smoke alarm with an interconnect wire, and tap that

dry fossil
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Or that

sour shadow
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So many of the smart smoke alarms are only good for decoration

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Actual tests of a lot of them have found that they don't work

obsidian bison
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hmm btw, I don't know that much about zigbee, can you have a backup coordinator receiving messages if the main one goes down?

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obviously with 433MHz that's not a problem

dry fossil
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Nah, single coordinator.

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Wired > 433 > Zigbee

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At least with 433, you're just listening for a broadcast.

obsidian bison
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hmm

sour shadow
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Wired > anything wireless

obsidian bison
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yeah but with zigbee you get mesh

sour shadow
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At least with Zigbee you get bi-directional comms, so you know if something is alive 😄

dry fossil
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Mesh doesn't matter if the coordinator is down.

obsidian bison
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I don't know how you deal with 433MHz range

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yeah, I mean it's not clearly 433MHz > zigbee

sour shadow
dry fossil
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433 range is better than Zigbee range, no? I can tell when my neighbours' doorbells halfway down the street ring.

sour shadow
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Now if only you could send a fake doorbell signal...

obsidian bison
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also batteries for 433MHz are weird and expensive

dry fossil
obsidian bison
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hmm I tried a few 433MHz devices and now I've been getting more zigbees

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I wonder whether I should go back on that for things like intrusion

dry fossil
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Looks like their codes don't rotate 🎉

sour shadow
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Redundant listeners, or just not a broken Zigbee coordinator...

obsidian bison
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how do you dedupe them in mqtt?

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I was indeed thinking that a zigbee intruder alarm based on this zero wouldn't be that secure 😉

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are there any go to alarm systems to run independently and just interface to HA?

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or would you have to listen in to the sensors separately?

civic flame
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Hey guys, anyone have experienced this with sonoff R3 zigbee?

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um i cant post images, alright, just a sec

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I have the device up, i can see when state changes but i cannot toggle using home assistant

austere patio
elfin spade
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Has anyone was able to change auto-off timer of watering computer Lidl PSBZS A1 using ZHA?

civic flame
cerulean thorn
dry fossil
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If you want to pay three times as much per device, sure.

cerulean thorn
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For not burning down the house 3 times is worth it

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or die

molten linden
civic flame
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sotty it toke me too much

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Now its working SOMETIMES (i didnt do anything)

grand abyss
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not to get totaly off topic with 433mhz talk, but I found it hillarious that I pick up my neighbours tire pressure reports so I can tell if his car is home or not... 😄 (rtl_433 is fun)

sour shadow
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Neighbours are away, time to pillage

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I have a few spare SDRs, I should explore that at some point

austere patio
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Plug your Conbee into a USB 2.0 port through a USB extension cable and make sure it's away from all potential sources of interference, like active USB 3.0 ports

molten linden
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get them while they are hot 🔥 🙂

civic flame
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Um nice? jajaja just worked! Thank you very much!!

gleaming jay
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I'm having trouble setting up an automation between a TRADFRI on/off remote and a Tradfri power outlet. I'm concerned the switch has stopped sending any single. I'm using ZHA. How can I troubleshoot whether the remotes sending anything?

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I'm also wondering if my issue is because the outlet i'm trying to control is directly above my garage door opener, so maybe there is interference. Because when I try to manipulate the power outlet switch in HA it's really hit and miss for response

sour shadow
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Sounds like it's not well connected to the mesh

gleaming jay
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I'm gonna restart the server

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So in the network visulzzation there's no line at all showing a connection to the on/off switch

split pelican
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Or would the same list apply to ZHA as well 🙂

austere patio
split pelican
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Thanks! I saw them listed in the documentation indeed, but was just wondering what ZHA users see as the best of the best right now ;-).

austere patio
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The CC2652/CC1352 are fine, as are the newer EZSP coordinators

split pelican
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But maybe I should just have a look at ones that are recommended by Z2MTT, since that should be more than enough for my usecase 🙂

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And since I am here right now, I saw on blakadder quite a difference between ZHA and Z2MQTT in terms of device support.

Could I buy unsupported ones in ZHA and write the quirks myself?

austere patio
split pelican
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Or is this something where the core is just too different, thus ZHA will only work with more compliant devices

austere patio
split pelican
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But is it possible to port quirks from zigbee2mqtt (with some efforts + coding knowledge), or are the coordinators/stack too different?

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And add them to the device handlers.

austere patio
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Z2M just exposes functionality. ZHA tries to make non-compliant devices appear compliant with quirks so they take a little more effort to write.

split pelican
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Thanks @austere patio, good to get some background. And happy to contribute back eventually 🙂

austere patio
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Tuya stuff is a bit tricker because Tuya decided to implement a lot of functionality with a proprietary protocol on top of Zigbee. They take a little more work to support (assuming your device isn't just a renamed version of an existing one, in which case it should be quite easy).

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The Z2M docs have a section outlining how their super special protocol works but you can see the existing devices in that same repo (the low-level Tuya protocol stuff is in tuya/__init__.py)

split pelican
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Maybe I will just order one to tinker with, they look smaller than others 😄

near echo
upper verge
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Anyone using the recently added alarm functionality in ZHA ?

real fable
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Have somebody the "ROBB Smarrt Draadloze Schakelaar Wit 8knops Zigbee" working with ZHA? Or with a custom quirk

vital ermine
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is it possible to backup ZHA integration connected to a sonoff bridge running Tasmota, using socket://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8888?

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or is it stick to stick only using zigpy_znp

vital ermine
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i've been trying to backup a sonoff bridge using zigpy_znp but it trows an error

obsidian sandalBOT
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Please don't say I have an error or describe an error. Share the whole actual error message so we can help you.

Command '.error' was invoked by: Tinkerer
molten linden
vital ermine
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And can I then migrate those entities to a cc2652p2 stick?

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Any website with a tutorial/example somewhere?😋

proven vector
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Hi everyone! I'm interested in zigbee integration with HA. I have some zigbee devices and would like to get them into the HA. I already have ordered RaspBee 2 (as my HA is installed on raspberry pi 4), but unfortunately it just doesn't fit into my case. I'm kinda looking now for the new gateway/stick to get everything working. What can you advice? Lately I have seen lot's about ConBee II & Sonoff ZigBee bridge. What is your experience? Can you advice something with good range and easy to setup? 🙂

sour shadow
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Neither of those

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CC2652 based stick, and either Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA

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Range is all about the mesh - see the pinned messages

proven vector
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okay thank you for the advice - I have heard about the mesh. So I will try to research about cc2652, I already have seen lots of guides with them 👍

sour shadow
fiery bison
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Hi, anyone els here that have a problem with Deconz not connecting to your network anymore when using Raspbee II?
Or maybe thats a question for Dresden?

sour shadow
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I'd ask on their Discord

obsidian sandalBOT
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deCONZ by dresden elektronik is a software that communicates with ConBee/RaspBee Zigbee gateways and exposes Zigbee devices that are connected to the gateway. Our #zigbee-archived channel is a good place to ask about using it with Home Assistant, but they also have their own Discord server.

Command '~deconz' was invoked by: Tinkerer
fiery bison
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Thanks!

proven vector
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I'm not from NA and it looks like here in EU it's pretty hard to order cc2652 stick 😦
DHL shipping is still slow for some customers. Please do not expect your order to arrive before Christmas. Most are taking a few weeks, but some have taken 3-4 months.

Christmas is like overkill ))) Will try to search somewhere else

sour shadow
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Oh, that's Slaesh

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Yeah, don't buy from them 😄

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There's various EU sources, but shipping from Tube to the EU is pretty quick

proven vector
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okay I'll take a look at what they are offering

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everything out of stock already 🙂

dry fossil
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I think he's making more very soon.

molten linden
graceful notch
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just going to ask a stupid question, is there a way to let a lightbulb send a last_seen for atleast once every 24h (without having to trigger them)

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I guess not, but you never know, there's some magic trick to it

austere patio
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@vital ermine

ancient bane
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I'm using Zigbee2MQTT and it works quite well, but I have an "Aqara vibration sensor" I originally got to try to determine dryer status, it seems to only fire when I drop it 1+in to my desk, then only 10s too. I set the sensitivity to high as per https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/DJT11LM.html but still nothing. Am I missing something, or is this sensor just not that sensitive?

hoary crest
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anyone know of a zigbee soil moisture sensor? i tried googling it by could not find anything. cannot believe those do not exist 😮

sinful swift
hoary crest
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i would buy a bunch if they were at the aqara price

clear lily
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Hi all, I'm having trouble with Enbrighten Zigbee Smart Light Switch (model 43076). I can pair it to Home Assistant ZHA, but the device is not responding to any commands? How can I debug the issue. I'm pretty new to HA

gentle flint
mighty river
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Which are more reliable? IKEA tradfri or sonoff zigbee? For use with a coordinator

sour shadow
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As entire brands, I'd go with Ikea over Sonoff, but it really depends on what question you're actually asking

mighty river
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I’m specifically interested in presence and window sensors

sour shadow
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Then I'd recommend Xiaomi Aqara

mighty river
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Are they less prone to disconnections and pairing issues? What makes you recommend them?

sour shadow
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  1. Size/looks
  2. Zero issues with them
mighty river
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Nice, I’ll see if I can find a reliable place to buy them. Thanks for the help

sour shadow
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AliExpress

mighty river
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Sadly their shipping method takes several months with the current condition of our postal service here

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Maybe I can get ship it with fedex

sour shadow
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They're likely available through other places, but the great thing about Ali is that you pay a lot less 😄

violet dagger
graceful notch
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@hoary crest I use a miflora and a pi 0 😄

hoary crest
hoary crest
graceful notch
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that's true @hoary crest but imagine having multiple of them and connecting them through the same pi 0

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now I only need more plants 😉

wise wave
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I'm having issues with my ConBee II after updating to core-2021.7.3. I had the same problem with core-2021.7.2 and just rolled back (hoping 7.3 would correct). After the update, when I go to Integrations, I see this error under the ConBee II:
Retrying setup: [Errno 2] could not open port /dev/serial/by-id/usb-dresden_elektronik_ingenieurtechnik_GmbH_ConBee_II_DE2437121-if00: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
When this happened on 7.2, I restarted the VM, rebooted the physical box, unplugged and replugged the USB sticl. Nothing seemed to fix it. Any thoughts? I'm running a Hassio VM on an UNRaid box.

rapid perch
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Is the serial device actually still available in the vm?

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maybe under a changed name/id?

wise wave
rapid perch
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Under Supervisor ---> System ---> Host ---> three dots at the bottom right of the Host part

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Click on hardware there

wise wave
sour shadow
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Won't be Core - that's entirely Supervisor land at that point

rapid perch
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I dont really have enough insight into the underpinnings to consider how likely that is. Personally Id first look into my own configs and recheck everything there. Have you completely removed the usb passthrough in unraid, shutdown the vm, rebooted, then shutdown again and attached the device again? Sometimes passthrough is a bit finicky.

sour shadow
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If the Supervisor menu doesn't show the device, then the underlying HAOS doesn't know about it either

rapid perch
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I think he meant if there might be a bug in how core <->hypervisor usb passthrough works.

sour shadow
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Nah

rapid perch
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But, Id doubt it, personally.

sour shadow
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The Supervisor menu doesn't involve Core at all

rapid perch
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Sorry, I used the wrong word anyway. I meant the hypervisor 😄

sour shadow
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Yeah, a problem between the VM and HAOS ... that seems more likely

wise wave
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Appreciate you both. I had tried reboots, etc. last time but I did not remove the passthrough on the VM. I will try that and see what happens.

rapid perch
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Id shut the vm down completely. I know from experience with KVM that reboots sometimes dont fix passthrough issues as the passthrough settings sometimes dont get updated.

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The VM sometimes needs to be shutdown completely for a second or two. At least in Proxmox.

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Which is KVM.

graceful notch
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also check if the vm still has privilege access to the host

wise wave
mild condor
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I am finally in the process of closing on my first home and have home assistant set up in my apartment, however now that I will own my own place I want to expand on it. I am looking for a smart lock that connects well to HA.

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Does anyone have any recommendations? My googling hasn't come up with much

rapid perch
mild condor
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I have not seen this site before, I have no idea how this never came up in any of my searches...

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I will take a look through. Thanks!

sour shadow
gentle fern
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Hi all, anyone know how to remove ZHA from my sonoff zbbridge so I can try z2mqtt?

sour shadow
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You don't have to remove it from the bridge, just remove ZHA from HA

gentle fern
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oh awesome, thanks

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I've been planning doing it for a little while but all of a sudden all my lights have stopped responding to on/off, so my hand has been forced!

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Yeah. Need to try to fix it before darkness comes and we're peeing without light

gentle fern
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So I've enabled join on Zigbee2MQTT and put all my lights into pairing mode, nothing is being logged in the Z2M logs apart from the log to say it's allowing to join

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Do I have to change any settings in tasmota or anything?

opal mesa
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Hey there,
does anyone know if it is possible to set the consumption state of a simple metering device with deconz? The ui shows the consumption state as read only. I want to synchronize the zigbee sensor with my electricity meter (initial value)

gentle fern
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My issue was solved by unplugging and replugging my Sonoff bridge

mighty river
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Is there a cheap development board for zigbee like esp8266 is for WiFi?

mellow geode
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wasn't this issue worked around with in zigpy_znp by also allowing joins on the coordinator?

austere patio
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Otherwise even if you permit joins through a specific router, the device can still join through the coordinator

mellow geode
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oh, I see

near echo
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However if you want to build the client components mostly, nordic nrf52840 or nrf5340 dev kits are also good. Those chips don't have coordinator support yet in z2m

mighty river
near echo
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Unlikely to change this approach, the dev kits were relatively very expensive and remain so. The only good part is the software has now become cheap /free. The cheapest dev usb dongle you can buy is nrf52840 dongle, it just usd 10 I think. But you need to be careful with that dongle, if you accidentally erase the entire flash (including the bootloader) you would need a devkit or debugger to reinstall it before you flash any images on them

gentle fern
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Hi all, anyone else had issues with zigbee2mqtt where it consistently fails to interview devices?

graceful notch
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Could be interference

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Is the stick directly connected or with a usb cable? Are there other usb devices connected? And last but not least, is joining allowed on the stick ?

fallow warren
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Anyone know of a Zigbee smart plug or switch that can handle anything above 2300W? Both my Aqara Smart plug and Aqara Single Switch Module T1 stops at 2300w which is not enough for the AC to startup (It uses 1000w after starting only) But uses a bit more on start.

violet dagger
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there's plenty of 16A plugs

fallow warren
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Great thanks found one called "Apex Smart Plug" 16A up to 3860W so shuold be good, thanks!

frail oracle
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The Sengled bulbs required a specific Zigbee channel right?

paper vapor
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Please help. Where to start searching?
Sonoff ZB bridge tasmotized worked fine until this morning. On console I can see: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jddV4jbWSw/
I cannot add any zigbee device. The whole system is down.

violet dagger
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this is the "zha channel"

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you need to check HA logs to see if there are any zha errors

hearty oasis
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I am using some aqara sensors and ZHA. I also have two home depot ecosmart lights. When I look at the ZHA visualization I can see that two of the aqara sensors are connecting through one of the lights. As a result they have the lowest strength of all my sensors. Is there a way to make them connect directly to the conbee 2? I have other sensors in the same general vicinity that are not using the lightbulb as a parent.

graceful notch
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unpair them and re-pair them close to the conbee stick, but normally they should take the best path (somehow)

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I used to bother me at it, but I gave up 😄

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if it works stable, it's good

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according to the zigbee map i have, there's a sensor which is just floating and not connected, but is reporting just fine 🙂

austere patio
hearty oasis
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Thanks!

sour shadow
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Mostly though, if they work, don't worry about it

hearty oasis
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Would it also work to unscrew the light bulb (to physically remove power) then try re-pairing the sensor? I repaired through "add devices through this device" on the conbee II and the topology map is still showing the direct connection to the light? Would I need to restart HA?

sour shadow
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I'd expect any mains powered device, like a bulb, to automatically re-route as it sees fit

hearty oasis
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seems reasonable

austere patio
hearty oasis
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Hopefully it worked. The light bulb is an awful router. The two sensors that connect to it are the 2 that I have the most issues with not capturing motion.

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It works 98% of the time and the others work 100%. It's probably just me being anal about it

austere patio
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But unscrewing that bulb and re-joining the sensor will definitely make sure it doesn't pick that bulb as a parent 😆

sour shadow
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Until the bulb is back in the mesh 😛

austere patio
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I don't think any unmodded Aqara sensors switch parents, do they? I specifically tested my temp and door sensors, they just sat there and waited for the parent to come back online.

sour shadow
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It's rare, but I've had some of mine do it - but only on my Zigbee 3.0 mesh and they've only switched between Zigbee 3.0 parents

lavish karma
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Ikea bulbs + Ikea on off switch - I have a problem to unbind one of two controlers directly binded with the bulb. Either both are paired or no one. After few secs of unpairing one and pairing only back to Zigbee2mqtt not to bulb the same will return to the paired state. Any solutions or do you have the same situation?

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Did the bulbs update

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Nothing changed

gentle fern
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Anyone know if it's possible to change the color_mode of a light in z2m? Some of my Tradfri bulbs are reporting xy but that's a lie, they're color_temp

sour shadow
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Not as such, no. You'd have to modify the Herdsman converter for it

gentle fern
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Oh! I've just realised that they're defaulting to xy. Just turned one of them on, changed the color_temp and now they're reporting correctly

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I am fairly frequently getting timeouts though

sour shadow
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Timeouts would suggest either:

  1. The connection to the mesh is poor
  2. You're overloading the mesh with too many commands (eg trying to turn on multiple lights at the same time)
gentle fern
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I definitely was overloading the mesh with a badly set up blueprint, but that's fixed. I can't imagine why the connection to the mesh is poor, it's all lights having issues and there's loads of lights with a good connection

sour shadow
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I had three lights I was turning on/off together, and at random one wouldn't. I moved to using a Zigbee group and the problem vanished

gentle fern
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Yeah, I've created groups for all the associated ones

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Interestingly it did seem to be the ones with the wrong color_mode. Maybe they just weren't fully fully paired properly

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Huh. It seems to go awry when I try to set the power_on_behaviour on some lights

graceful notch
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hmm anyone had this before?
SP-EUC01 aqara plug, responds fine through Z2M frontend, fine through homeassistant, but not fine when triggering through node-red

lavish karma
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anyone? :/

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anyone using binded switch to bulb?

azure tinsel
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Ordered a zigbee coordinator from tubes ZB. I wonder how well zigbee2mqtt works for me

gentle fern
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I've got a few Aqara Opple 6 button (3 switch) light switches, anyone know if it's possible to bind each switch to a different light group?

formal willow
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I’m using a zigbee usb radio to connect to zha in home assistant. Setup with a couple of aqara buttons went well, but they have now dropped off connection after a couple of days. Straight line distance away is only maybe 3 metres, but it is through a wall? I’m considering getting an aqara hub to help with connection as I intend to get more aqara stuff once I can get them connected. However, I’m a bit confused which aqara hub works with home assistant. Could someone who has one working recommended?

sour shadow
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The hub won't help

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You want Zigbee routers - see the pinned messages for how Zigbee works

formal willow
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Ok thanks for the reply. As I understand it then a router works to increase the range of the network like a signal repeater?

mellow geode
fleet lodge
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In an attempt to achieve 34 dbm output from Tube's CC2562P coordinator, I have attached Sunhans' 2.4GhZ Signal Booster. The signal booster calls for ideally 10 - 14 dbm input power. I have experimented all the way through 0 - 20 dbm on Zigbee2MQTT's experimental: "transmit_power" settings but have not been able to see traffic through signal booster's "activity LED" yet. I'm on Channel 11.

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Anyone have any ideas as to why this wouldn't work?

austere patio
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Do you have the right connectors?

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Not screwing a RP-SMA male onto a SMA female connector?

fleet lodge
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Ahhhh this is a good point

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I don't know what kind of ANT tube is using

austere patio
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You can check, one has to have a pin and the other a socket

fleet lodge
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I am connecting 2.4ghz booster to tube coordinator via SMA-FEMALE

austere patio
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Not sure which is which. If you unscrew the two pairs of connections, you should not be seeing two holes or two pins.

fleet lodge
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2.4ghz booster (SMA-FEMALE) <--> RG316 cable with SMA connectors <--> Tube Coordinator

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ahhh!

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omg you're fucking right

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Female into Female. I am an idiot.

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Will report back when I have this fixed 🙂

austere patio
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I guess the real question would be whether or not this will have a positive impact on your network, especially if packets will be able to travel only in one direction due to range or something

fleet lodge
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What do you mean one direction due to range?

austere patio
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Like if your coordinator is able to reach a device because of the increased TX power, but that device can't reply

fleet lodge
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Transmit Gain == 14 - 17 DB
Receive Gain == =< 12 DB

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It looks like very substantial increases

gentle flint
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You should add more routers, not a signal booster.

gentle fern
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Anyone else have issues with Z2M saying lights are off when they're on?

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And it sometimes seems very slow to respond in comparison with ZHA

gentle fern
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I've got it on channel 11. The majority of the wifi networks around me are on channel 1. I'll try changing to channel 25

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Good thing I didn't just spend an entire evening getting everything paired correctly 🤦‍♂️

slate magnet
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You can change channel after the fact but this might depend on your integration doing the right thing for the network to do so

azure tinsel
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While waiting for the CC2652P2 from tube i am reading stuff to be prepared to set everything up. While searching i came across a page that explains how to do a firmware update. I see you loose all data if you dont make a backup. Whats in those firmware updates? are these necessary? i mean are new features and devices added or is this mainly tweaks? I am trying to avoid these kind of things in which you break every device in your house by doing an update

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@gentle fern I have your problem with zha atm so i dont think its any different.

gentle fern
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Updates can be anything, including security patches. Don't avoid updates, just make the plan on how you're going to do it. I.e. back up your stuff

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I didn't have the same problem with ZHA, or at least not for a long time. I vaguely remember having some issues when I first set it up but I think that might have been channel related too

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Had lots of trouble pairing with Z2M too, had to get devices within a metre of the coordinator. That really should have been a hint

sour shadow
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I had issues pairing devices initially, but once I sorted out my mesh the problems went away.

sour shadow
gentle fern
sour shadow
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Well, if you're having to bring devices within one meter of the coordinator.... that suggests either:

  1. You have no routers
  2. The connection to those routers is unreliable
  3. There's lots of interference
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Well, (4) you're trying to pair an Ikea device and not been patient enough

gentle fern
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I've got 20 bulbs (yes, Ikea) that are all paired. Eventually successfully. Why might the connection to the bulbs be unreliable? Anything other than interference?

sour shadow
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Interference or range

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Do see the pinned messages for things like ensuring you've got the coordinator on an extension cable, away from WiFi devices, not using USB 3.0 ports, scanning for quiet channels, etc

gentle fern
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Definitely not range, gotta be interference. My wifi is on 1 and zigbee on 11, that's gotta be it

sour shadow
gentle fern
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😂

sour shadow
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That wasn't quite the worst possible choice you could have made... oh, no, I lied

gentle fern
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Yeah, I had it all set up fine with ZHA but forgot to check the channel when I moved to Z2M. Just didn't set a channel and it picked 11

sour shadow
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Yeah, that's the default for Z2M

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It's dumb, other than it being one of the ZLL channels, so widely supported

gentle fern
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I'll try 25, closest on wifi 11 is at 37dBm

sour shadow
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25 is a good choice

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26 is better, if all your devices support it

gentle fern
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Failing that, 20 is it. There's a wifi 6 at 54dBm

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Yeah, not convinced that all of them will and not too sure where that info is

sour shadow
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The Z2M hardware list sometimes covers it, but it's often a case of just trying

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I know all my Xiaomi, Ikea, and Gledopto kit supports it

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Sadly my Konke kit doesn't

gentle fern
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There's actually some maniac with a wifi network on channel 13

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Looking forward to living in a detached house where this isn't an issue

sour shadow
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We didn't have major issues in the last house, which was a semi, but then the neighbour didn't have any internet 😄

gentle fern
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As far as the other bits, non-USB 3.0 et al, I'm using a sonoff zbbridge mounted to the wall just above my server which has no wifi interface

sour shadow
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Well, that's got built in interference, so not a great choice ablobjoy

gentle fern
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Hmm. Let's see how the channel change goes

sour shadow
gentle fern
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It's been solid so far

sour shadow
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The same overall issue of using a WiFi connected devices as a Bluetooth scanner for monitor - the overlapping frequencies causes it to jam itself

gentle fern
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Yeah, I've just made the connection. A wifi coordinator on channel 1, coordinating on zigbee channel 11 does not a stable mesh make!

sour shadow
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Even if they're well separated there will still be some issues - but they should hopefully not be terrible

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I'd highly recommend moving to a different coordinator

gentle fern
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Oh well now I need to get a PoE switch, don't I

sour shadow
gentle fern
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I promised my wife I would stop hitting Amazon so hard. This is not going well

sour shadow
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Have you found AliExpress yet?

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Cheaper, takes a while to ship, and you get surprises in the post 🤣

gentle fern
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Yeah, got all my switches from there

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And ESP32s

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I'll stick with my Sonoff for now, see how it goes. Gotta stop spending money at some point

sour shadow
gentle fern
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Just got a google coral to play with frigate. Very cool. Even better in a couple of releases time when he adds static object detection

sour shadow
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Yeah, I'm still using MotionEye for now, waiting for timelapse recording so I can give it a proper try out

azure tinsel
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Whats the default channel of ZHA? 15?

minor atlas
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Has anyone been able to get Zigbee working on vitual box setup with a Nortek combo adapter?

mellow geode
minor atlas
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When I add the integration it fails to connect on the radio selection.

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Is there a setting in virtual box I need to set for the USB device?

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The zwave function of the stick is working.

azure tinsel
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I have had allot of trouble with Zigbee stick and virtual box

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VB will lose the stick after a full home assistant reboot

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then its a big pain to get it back... so everytime you update the OS / Core you will lose the stick again

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I would NOT recommend using a usb zigbee stick with VB

minor atlas
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Yes, I had that issue already and noticed it was missing.

azure tinsel
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IF you find it and leave HA be it will continue to work. But as soon as you do a full reboot you can start from scratch. i have no idea why VB is losing the connection everytime the software reboots. I havent found any solution whatsoever

minor atlas
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What setup would you recommend with the Nortek combo stick. I used to have a raspberry pi but it kept crashing.

azure tinsel
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Only people telling me to stop using VB with a zigbee stick

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im running it with great success on a raspi 4b with 8GB of ram for a few months now not been crashing.

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I use the official power suply. I have been reading reports of other power suplies not working very well and letting the pi's crash due to the lack of enough power

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Tube's ZB website is selling zigbee coordinators which can be connected to the network seperately

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then you connect to it via the network. that should work with VB

graceful notch
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@azure tinsel using the pi with a sd card or usb ssd ?

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I experienced issues with an usb ssd and conbee 2 stick at the same time, didn't investigate it any further

minor atlas
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I was running on a raspberry pi 4 with 2GB and the power supply that came with it and moved to SSD

azure tinsel
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SD card WD purple. and recorder stored on a seperate synology nas

graceful notch
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I believe the usb ssd uses too much resources for the zigbee stick to work 100%

gentle fern
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Wouldn't surprise me. All 4 ports have a combined power output of 1200mA

azure tinsel
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im using zha with the nortek stick atm on the pi 4b havent had trouble so far

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i could really recommend the micro sd from WD type purple

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they are specially designed for heavy load for long periods of time

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just be sure to make a backup so you can set it back up when the card crashes.

gentle fern
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Is it normal with Z2M that while I'm attempting to join all of my lights become unresponsive?

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It still received updates from end devices but doesn't seem to be able to issue any commands

dry fossil
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Sounds like you're using an underpowered stick or you have issues.

gentle fern
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I'm using a Sonoff ZBBridge which has been solid on ZHA for nearly a year now

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Well at least I've figured out the sequence of events. If I try to issue commands while something is pairing the device will fail to pair and the command will not work

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It does sound underpowered, doesn't it

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But does Z2M have a greater performance impact that ZHA?

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than*

azure tinsel
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If you just put your whole network on another configuration then it can take a while before the network is "settled" I have put back a snapshot of my system a few times now and everytime I did that lights arent responsive until a few hours later when the network is build. Not sure if that is the issue here though

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I'm planning on running 2 zigbee networks and put everything on z2mqtt one by one instead of everything at the same time

lavish karma
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Anybody here using binding of switch and bulb?

spare talon
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I've got some runlesswire clicks and ikea tradfri switches in the mail that I plan to do that with... ask me in a week 😛

lavish karma
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I am really strugling 😦

worthy patio
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I too want to know about binding. I have made a network using CC2531 with ZHA (running on pi4 with SSD) network and all switches are main switches creating a mesh network. But still the switches at first click are working but second click gives a delay...I feel it might be a binding issue.

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But again i ain't sure why am I getting a delay on the second click when every switch is a router..

dry fossil
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Delays... CC2531... I sense a pattern.

austere patio
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You can bump up the software limit a little at the expense of some request patterns taking longer due to retrying:

zha:
  zigpy_config:
    znp_config:
      max_concurrent_requests: 4
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Or try 99999 and see what happens

worthy patio
austere patio
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Yeah, it effectively disables the software limiting.

worthy patio
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But all my 40 devices are routing and if I see in the visualisation the cc2351 is just connected to 3 devices..

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Maybe your right that might improve the latency issue ..I will try and get back..

dry fossil
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You should upgrade your stick smart

graceful notch
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inb4, that's not what she said

worthy patio
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Availability of stick is difficult and I tried using conbee 2 to integrate with ZHA. It didn't recognise my tuya devices...but CC2351 did...

sour shadow
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Thankfully you can migrate from a CC253x stick to a CC2652 stick fairly trivially

worthy patio
sour shadow
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Good news, everywhere will get stock in at some point

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Tube had stock this week, and sold out fast

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Electrolama has a signup list so you can get notified

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I think Tube has a similar option

proven vector
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Slae.sh has stock right now - I managed to order it. Dunno yet if I will need to wait for 3-4 months, as he already had such cases previously...

graceful notch
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@proven vector someone I know had his stick already delivered

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so I think stock and shipping are pretty accurate now

proven vector
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hoping for the best 🙂 but yeah - he has stock right now

sour shadow
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Yeah, his shipping is better, but his communication still sucks apparently. If you have any issues, expect a struggle to get any response

proven vector
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😆 Well, I'm hoping for the best... I have a Sonoff ZBBridge in a shop near my house - 15 min walking. But I want to try CC2652 stick 1st

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Right now I'm using Alexa Echo as ZigBee hub. It kinda works, but very crappy. I can't understand if it's because of the crappy Chinese controllers from Sunricher, or because of the Amazon Alexa "greatness" 😄 Too bad Echo can't be used as a ZigBee gateway for HA...

dry fossil
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You can thank Amazon for that. Closed ecosystems are lame.

proven vector
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There are always pros/cons. But for me as an IT guy it’s definately a con

molten linden
sour shadow
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Anybody would think:

  1. You're popular
  2. There's a world wide chip shortage
molten linden
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😎

worthy patio
dry fossil
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You could get a better stick.

cerulean thorn
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I can sell any of the sticks for 1 million dollars. Regards mr. Zigbee scalper

worthy patio
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@dry fossil I got your point from yesterday and I have ordered already for it way before that...but that ain't a solution for the on going issue. It would be better if someone could help rather than just marketing a stick..

sour shadow
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The only solution to CC253x sticks is to replace them

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They're known to misbehave, lock up, run slow, and otherwise be a PITA

dry fossil
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I'm not 'marketing' anything. I have nothing to gain if you buy a better stick, other than the satisfaction of knowing that yet another person has a stable Zigbee mesh now.

#

You're running pretty much the least capable coordinator available and wondering why you're having performance issues. There's one solution - don't use it.

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I think the only way your situation could be any worse is if you were using deCONZ 😂

sour shadow
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ConBee on not-deCONZ is worse 😛

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Or the Sonoff ZBridge thingy

worthy patio
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Not using deConz or conbee...and iam sorry I freaked out .. but I restarted the entire pi system and it all worked back again...

sour shadow
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Yeah, you have to power cycle those sticks periodically

worthy patio
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Iam using zha...I tried with conbee but it didn't work wasn't detecting my devices ..

sour shadow
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That's probably more likely to be a ZHA/mesh thing than a ConBee thing, but I know a lot of people have issues with the ConBee

obsidian sandalBOT
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There are three Zigbee options with Home Assistant (regardless of how you install it). These are:

deCONZ is relatively stable and mature with its own UI (and Discord server). It can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, or natively. Only the ConBee range of sticks and RaspBee GPIO boards are supported. Known working devices are documented, and how to request support for a new device is documented too (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

zha is actively developed as part of Home Assistant Core, using the zigpy stack, the UI also being part of Home Assistant. The EmberZNet based sticks are recommended (though the HUSBZB-1 uses an older chipset), but there are other options. There is no list of supported devices, as any standards compliant device should work. Devices that require extra support are listed, and adding unsupported devices is documented (you can't add unsupported devices yourself).

Zigbee2MQTT is very actively developed and can run in an add-on, in a Docker container, and natively. As of 1.15 has a native UI, and it also uses MQTT for control and configuration. It supports mostly TI based sticks, with the recommended option being the [CC2652 based sticks](#zigbee-archived message). If you want to use an EmberZNet stick see this issue. The known working devices are well documented (which usually includes how to pair them so you don't have to find the manual), and adding unsupported devices is also documented.

Command '.zigbee' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
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IMO ZHA or Zigbee2MQTT are the sane choices

worthy patio
obsidian sandalBOT
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@worthy patio When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
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I've no idea what the line colours mean, I don't use ZHA

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Try getting notification pings multiple times an hour - it gets old fast 😉

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I have this bad habit of trying to help people

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Which sometimes makes people think I'm their personal helpdesk.... that never ends well ||for them||

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Last time somebody tried that the computer crashed itself, hard 😛

brazen robin
worthy patio
sour shadow
sour shadow
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Thankfully I can just block idiots who don't listen, or who seem to view it as a me problem

ivory hound
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what i can get as a recommendation for a thermostat that will be put on radiators to set up temp in room (zigbee2mqtt)

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i am curious what ppl use

dry fossil
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What you use depends on the plumbing in your country...

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Check out the supported devices in the pins/topic. See what works for your radiator.

ivory hound
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yah i know about pins i made one myself but i am more curious about what ppl use and experiences

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they are normal radiators with central heating system

dry fossil
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What other people use is irrelevant if they don't physically fit your hardware.

austere patio
sleek sedge
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So I'm having a issue with zigbee2mqtt and the xfinity keypads. I think the posted topics are dismissed too fast and HA cant catch it because I can see it for a split second in the state tab and if I put the code in again or a few times HA finally catches it and triggers the automation. So is there a way to slow down the dismissing of the "action": "action_code": to give HA a chance to see it?

Would setting a retain for like 3 seconds do anything? Guess I can try and see
edit: nope still only flashed a split second

sour shadow
sleek sedge
sour shadow
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You can, but you have to delete all the retained messages

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Or you publish a null retained message to that topic

sleek sedge
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Yea just did that with mqttexplorer but in z2m I cant uncheck the retain box it stays checked

sour shadow
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Stop it, modify the YAML, start it again shrug

sleek sedge
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should I remote the retain and retention line or just change to false? edit, just deleted the lines lets see

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remove*

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Alright set to debounce but I still have to put the code in more than once before HA triggers because the state of the "action_code": goes away so fast. I can see it pop up but I think HA misses it. 😕 I think the debounce helps with arming though since that is two topics action and action_code so its a step in the right direction.

So I'm not watching for payload for disarming I am watching the 'sensor.side_door_keypad_action_code' for a entered code since when I tried to watch for the code as a mqtt payload it never saw it and in mqttexplorer I see the code in the topic but it is in red. I'm really confused about the proper way to trigger with this device. It goes to null really fast.

drifting raven
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I am using zigbee to mqtt to allow me use a Philips hue motion sensor but randomly it will keep on going off the network

sour shadow
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That would suggest the signal from the nearest router isn't strong enough - or the nearest router is a light bulb you're cutting the power to

drifting raven
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All my other devices are working fine and it is only the motion sensor

drifting raven
obsidian sandalBOT
#

@drifting raven When using Discord's new Reply feature it defaults to pinging the person you reply to, which can get frustrating for the target. Click @ ON to @ OFF to stop this - on the right side of the compose bar.

Command '~reply' was invoked by: Tinkerer
sour shadow
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The next room could still be a range problem

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What's your coordinator?

drifting raven
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zzh (CC2652R Stick)

sour shadow
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Should be mostly fine then, as long as the wall is standard drywall/plasterboard and not brick/stone/concrete/wood

drifting raven
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So why is it doing it then

sour shadow
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What's the LQI reported by it?

fleet lodge
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Gentleman

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I've done it

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50% increase on my zigbee coordinator (measured by LQI) by leveraging 2.4ghz signal booster

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From 14 feet away @ transmit_power: 13:
Tube's stock ANT = 97.7 AVG LQI
2.4ghz signal booster + 6dBi ANT = 145.2 AVG LQI

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I am going to run a few more tests but the advantage is very obvious at this point. The issue that I am having is keeping the coordinator connection strong in a mesh of ~120 sensors in a facility. I think by improving the TX/RX of the Zigbee coordinator's signal strength, I will maintain better connections with my mains-powered routers and will have less dropped connections / having to restart my routers.

austere patio
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The TI MAC computes an 8-bit “link quality index” (LQI) for each received packet from the 2.4 GHz radio. The LQI is computed from the raw “received signal strength index” (RSSI) by linearly scaling it between the minimum and maximum defined RF power levels for the radio. This provides an LQI value that is based entirely on the strength of the received signal. This can be misleading in the case of a narrowband interferer that is within the channel bandwidth – the RSSI may be increased even though the true link quality decreases.

forest arrow
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Greetings all, So while I am waiting to get my Electrolama zig-a-zig-ah! (zzh!) so I can start doing some zigbee to mqtt, I am using my sonoff zigbee bridge as my coordinator. Do you have any recommendations on some plugs that I can plug in around the house to act as routers as my coordinator is in my garage and I want to make sure I get decent coverage

fleet lodge
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What is that supposed to mean @austere patio ?

austere patio
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Last-hop LQI for TI coordinators isn't a great measure of the actual link quality

fleet lodge
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Then why use LQI at all / ever?

austere patio
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That is a good question

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There is the ZCL Diagnostic cluster that has some low-level success/failure counters that I think you can read

fleet lodge
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I don't have the time to go that deep at this point

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I've posted a 50% increase in LQI. I haven't even tuned it yet with tests on transmit powers 0 - 20

austere patio
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Yeah. I'm not trying to discourage or dismiss any potential performance gains. I'm just saying that making the LQI get bigger may not necessarily result in a better link quality.

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I haven't tested it (yet) but you can also re-compile Z-Stack and enable LQI adjustment, which the dev guide says will scale the LQI to "'de-rate' noisy packets"

fleet lodge
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Yeah I don't have time

austere patio
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Did you ever move that WiFi AP off of channel 1 so it doesn't conflict with your Zigbee network?

fleet lodge
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Sounds like something I would do if I was out to build an enterprise-grade zigbee cooridnator, but that is not my focus at this time.

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This test was on my home network.

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Moving my client's network to channel 25 was good help

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The problem of routers dropping still persists

austere patio
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Hard to tell why that happens when the only feedback you can really get from the network is the router not responding to packets or otherwise leaving

fleet lodge
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My theory on this, much like the failings of being able to query LQI from routers, is due to lack of signal strength from my zigbee coordinator

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I understand that from a technical perspective, but the easier lift for me at this point is brute force: a mains-powered 2.4ghz signal amplifier to realize 12db+ increases on TX/RX

austere patio
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Yeah. In the end, things working is really the only thing that matters.

forest arrow
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Does anyone know how well CMARS Smart Plug, ZigBee Switch Mini Smart Outlet work? I see I can get 2 of them on Amazon for $20.00 and would like to put some throughout the house as mesh extenders

fleet lodge
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The points you bring up are what I would do to create an enterprise-grade zigbee coordinator

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+20dbi is not enough juice to blanket a facility in adequate coverage

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You need to juice the output from the zigbee radio.

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Once you juice the radio, then I think to ensure you're not losing packets and the noise is low, I would run tests to check the diagnostic cluster.

austere patio
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It is a mesh after all so having a strong coordinator signal may not help the case when a device's weak radio can't reply back due to transient interference or other adverse network conditions

fleet lodge
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My end-devices perform perfectly. I only lose routers. When I lose routers, the end-devices jump to another router.

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The signal strength average between my end-devices and their routers looks healthy (125)

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I don't foresee there being enough interference on channel 25 from a coordinator (located in a supply closet) will have.

austere patio
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The LQI values reported by SiLabs routers may be more useful, as they seem to incorporate retries and stuff like that into the calculation. If you're running Aqara routers then I'm not sure, they're NXP.

fleet lodge
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I have 10 ikea tradfris at my house

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I can run the same tests with those devices

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The result I realized were based on a push-button AQARA end-device

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My guess is that with a stronger radio on the IKEA Tradfri's (vs the push-button AQARA), I'd see an equal increase in LQI.

austere patio
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Maybe for the coordinator's reported LQI. I'd be curious to see what the LQI in the other direction (as reported by the Tradfri device) looks like before/after the change

fleet lodge
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Sunhans sh-2500

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$35.99 on Amazon Prime

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I'm moving forward now. Will look to provision at facility on Monday after more testing around my apartment.

austere patio
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Good luck

forest arrow
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has anyone used: Smart Plug,DOGAIN Zigbee Smart Plugs Outlet and will they act as Zigbee Repeater/Router to extend zigbee mesh?

uneven ruin
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they suck

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I have 4 I'm replacing just weak

mellow geode
forest arrow
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@uneven ruin do you have any that you can recommend?

gentle fern
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I have come to the decision that, while ZHA works absolutely fine with the Sonoff ZBBridge, Z2M does not. Fairly frequently getting incorrect state reported for some lights, troubles pairing, inability to issue commands to devices while pairing new devices. Order placed with Slaesh, looking forward to having a stable mesh.

rocky mauve
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When you add repeating devices to an existing network, do you see children reconnect via the closer repeater in the visualisation? Do everything self configure?

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ZHA

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Or do I re-add end devices via that repeater in the gui?

hearty oasis
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Anyone have experience with the Ikea smart outlets? I'd like to get them in the mesh as a repeater and an outlet. I read that they do not have an on/off switch though. Does that mean if I toggle it off in HA the only way to restore power to it is to toggle it on again?

torn saffron
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Got a question about HA/Zigbee groups: I’ve added XX Philips lights to a Zigbee group, all of them support color. However, from the control menu when I click on the HA entity (of the group) - I’m only able to adjust the brightness. How can I also control the color? (My integration is Z2M)

fresh citrus
uneven ruin
uneven ruin
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I added an outlet last night which showed up with no connections for a while but this morning its a central node to the mesh

uneven ruin
rocky mauve
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Thanks

hearty oasis
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For LQI and RSSI am I looking for a high LQI? What is a good RSSI value?

sour shadow
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LQI of not zero

graceful notch
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255 is the best LQI

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you just don't know if it's true or not

dry fossil
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Legend has it that someone once saw 256.

sour shadow
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Stable matters more than any number, though LQI is device/platform specific, and sometimes 255 means don't know

graceful notch
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I have a sensor saying 255 and I'm sure it's not 😄

fresh shard
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Can anyone lead me in the right direction to change zigbee channel on ZHA running a HUSBZB-1 running HASS OS

austere patio
fresh shard
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Yes I Have the SSH add on

austere patio
zenith sonnet
fresh shard
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Thanks @mystic copper

austere patio
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Once you've disabled ZHA and are in there, bellows -d /dev/... backup > /config/backup.json will make a backup

fresh shard
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Ok cool

austere patio
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Edit the logical channel in there and restore it with bellows -d /dev/... restore -f -B /config/backup.json

fresh shard
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great

austere patio
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If you have mains-powered devices like bulbs, power cycle them at the switch after re-enabling ZHA

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Some should re-join the new network

fresh shard
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Ok cool I was thinking I would have to repair everything

austere patio
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You probably will

fresh shard
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Ok well at least I entered into it with that mindset

austere patio
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Zigbee doesn't handle channel changes as gracefully as WiFi. There are some other ways to change the channel but I've not tested any with EZSP coordinators.

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Maybe try also incrementing nwkUpdateId by 1?

graceful notch
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if not, remove and re-pair it seems the fastest solution

zenith sonnet
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done 3 times. and the orange button says
Device 'area03_vibration' cannot be configured

graceful notch
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force removed it as well ?

zenith sonnet
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yep. last time i used it was on another HA installation. This new HA has never seen this sensor. And it's my only one vibration

graceful notch
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it sometimes still remains in database.db

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what i'd do, turn off Z2M, copy the database.db file

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and remove the sensor entity there

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also in devices.yaml

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and state.json you might check as well

zenith sonnet
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done already :/ i've been struggling on this for 3 days. I'm not new to HA. I also use to delete the DB every 3 weeks just cause i don't need it.

graceful notch
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mmm that's a bummer

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I know one more last thing to try

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and remove the battery from the sensor for a couple minutes

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then try to re-pair

zenith sonnet
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indeed :/ i never ask anything here, when i do is when it's my last choice. of course you gave me great suggestions! thanks for that

graceful notch
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no problem, I once had some similar issue fixed with all those steps

zenith sonnet
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I will insist (:

wind vapor
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Hi, I'm pretty new to Zigbee, got a few devices to try out and I'm struggling a bit with one of the devices. It's a Tuya based 4 button scene switch (TS004F).

It was detected by ZHA as a device but it only registered the battery level and an 'on-off' switch that didn't seem to equate to any of the buttons.

I deleted the device with the intention of adding it again to see if I got a better result, but it every time I try to 'add device' in ZHA, the device doesn't show up even though it's right next to the hub.

I've tried rebooting Home Assistant in case it was caching something but it still doesn't show up. Is there a cache hiding somewhere that remembers previously deleted devices to exclude them from showing up again?

austere patio
molten linden
wind vapor
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I see, I can see the device in that list as a 'Device Support Request' so I guess that means it's not there yet.

Forgive my ignorance...do you think it's the not-yet-supported nature of the device why it's not showing up when I've tried to rediscover it after deleting it?

If it makes any difference, I originally set it up on 2021.7 and now I'm on 2021.7.4.

austere patio
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Did you remove the device before trying to re-add it?

wind vapor
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I did - I removed it using the remove button on the device screen

oblique ivy
gentle fern
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I really think that Z2M is fundamentally broken for Sonoff ZBBridge. I've just set up ZHA again and it works flawlessly when Z2M has delays up the wazoo

rocky mauve
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Do hue bulbs repeat ok? I think I remember seeing they didnt?

mellow geode
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They mostly do (better than OSRAM lol)

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The Bluetooth enabled bulbs use a newer Silabs chip and Zigbee 3.0.

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The older ones (without Bluetooth) are still fine too

gentle fern
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Morning all, a load of my lights have been given the wrong color_mode. It's saying they support hs when actually they only support color_temp. Anything I can do to correct it?

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Also, what sort of problem does this indicate? WARNING (MainThread) [zigpy.appdb] Skipping invalid neighbors_v4 row: (5c:02:72:ff:fe:43:e4:60, cc:cc:cc:cc:dc:12:cf:a4, 60:a4:23:ff:fe:1d:49:5e, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 2, 0, 0, 206)

gentle fern
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I do now have a couple of switches reporting they have a main power source when they should be battery :/

solid inlet
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About to change Zigbee coordinator. Apart from noting all sensor/devices names, is there anything else that I should think of before starting?

austere patio
austere patio
gentle fern
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Great, thanks puddly

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Any idea on the switches not getting their battery? Also they are not populating the zha_event data the same as the ones that are working correctly

austere patio
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Did you recently upgrade from 2021.6 to 2021.7?

gentle fern
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Fairly, yeah

austere patio
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Your device likely was incorrectly initialized when it joined and was missing a node descriptor. ZHA displays Battery or Unknown when the power source is unknown (in your case missing). 2021.7 fixed that bug and your device apparently says it's mains-powered.

solid inlet
austere patio
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Ah, that's the migration that doesn't exist yet, sorry

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Everything but the Conbee works though

solid inlet
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No worries. I don't have so many devices

austere patio
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If you have a ton of devices you could manually fill out the info by reading it out with deCONZ, but otherwise it's probably faster to just make a new network

solid inlet
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Yeah, I think I will do the latter. Thanks tho

gentle fern
austere patio
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Not too sure about that one, sorry

gentle fern
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Cool cool, ta

dawn sequoia
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Best motion sensors that have light meter built in?

Ikeas don't, hues outdoor does, but don't really want 40 euro in every room.

Might be able to use a "global" sensor for light, and use cheap simple sensors otherwise.

Thanks!

sour shadow
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Separate sensors

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The Xiaomi Mijia light sensors are awesome, couple those with any motion sensor of your choice

azure tinsel
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I love the hue motion sensors despite the high price. The main reason i like them is the form factor, it has light and temp sensor, 15 sec update. And you can use normal rechargable batteries in them. the 20 euro they cost more is more then well spend in my opinion

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I also have a few tuya ones in different size and shapes. I must say they work perfect too. but in the long run i will replace them all for hue

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And besides that one more thing. My motion sensor outside from hue is on placed on the wrong spot and detects motion every 15 seconds a.t.m. for roughly 12 hours a day. (its next to a greenhouse which heat comes out of the doorway triggering the motion) This sensor is placed there several months ago and since then triggering motion every 15 seconds. And still after half a year the battery is still 100% So these things are insanely power efficient. Some tuya ones that i have for the same period allready are on their second battery (3v liion cell battery) So also for batterylife i would always recommend hue

solid inlet
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I am installing a zzh coordinator with zigbee2mqtt as an addon, has installed mosquitto broker and got it all started, seems ok so far. But a few Q's... I find an integration MQTT that has a configure link. Shall I configure that too? And how do I initiate pairing mode? And what is the sun-button in the webgui?

sour shadow
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Push the sun button, see what happens 😉

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For pairing, push the button marked Permit join

solid inlet
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Aha, so it stays in pairing mode as long as it is permitted? I willl give it a testrun, thanks 🙂

sour shadow
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No, it doesn't

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Not unless you're on a really old version

solid inlet
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Well, pairing succeeded, but it won't show up in HA... Where should I start to dig please?

sour shadow
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Make sure that the add-on is using the same broker, that HA is using MQTT Discovery (that's the default these days) and that Z2M has Home Assistant enabled (can be done in the UI)

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Check too that you're on Z2M 1.20.x, not 1.18.x

solid inlet
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Perfect, many thanks. Will start with this 🙂

sour shadow
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All the config can be done in the UI these days - don't mix up UI and YAML. If you do both the results are unpredictable, and likely to be broken

solid inlet
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Oh. Thanks for the warning!

solid inlet
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Issue seems to be the broker... There is an built-in one in HA? Can that be used for configuring MQTT? Or will I have to use for example Mosquitto (as I did initially, now uninstalled)?

sour shadow
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No, there's nothing built in

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Just install the Mosquitto add-on

solid inlet
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I get this in Mosquitto log after startup

1627208681: New connection from 172.30.33.5 on port 1883.```
sour shadow
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You did configure Z2M with auth for MQTT?

solid inlet
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I will not say I did as something obviously is not right, but think I did. Will try to check again

sour shadow
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Check the logs for Z2M and HA

gentle fern
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Does anyone have any tips for getting a couple of Opple switches to pair correctly? They keep not reporting power

sour shadow
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And... which Zigbee integration?

gentle fern
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Sorry, ZHA. I've given up on Z2M and sonoff bridge

sour shadow
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Then I'd bet they send events

solid inlet
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HA Integration log throws this

12:04:20 PM – (ERROR) components/mqtt/__init__.py``` and my HA configuration.yaml has these lines 
```mqtt:                                                                                           
  discovery: true                                                                               
  broker: mqtt://core-mosquitto:1883 ```
sour shadow
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How devices look in ZHA and Z2M is going to be quite different

sour shadow
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Which I may have mentioned before

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You added a broken subset of the required config, with no auth, no LWT, and basically broke it 😄

solid inlet
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I'm good at something... 😛 No, really. Perhaps I should start over, or can I rescue any bits from this?

sour shadow
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Remove the YAML

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Restart HA

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Set it up correctly in the UI

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As you're using the add-on it may already have done that for you

solid inlet
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Much was filled in, true, but still didn't show in HA

sour shadow
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Well, no, because you added the YAML

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I warned you not to do that, and you even acknowledged it shrug

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Not much I can do if you're going to deliberately ignore advice

violet dagger
sour shadow
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Ooooh, I can get those easily here.... another one to try 😄

solid inlet
gentle fern
sour shadow
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No idea then, hopefully somebody else may know

solid inlet
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Thanks @sour shadow ! I finally got it working using your guidance. I did start with reading way too many different guides, then it all got mixed up, sorry for the confusion

gentle fern
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Anyone else found that ZHA is keeping their coordinator in pairing mode even after is stops 'Searching'?

dawn sequoia
gentle fern
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My flow: Add device -> pair switch -> fails to configure correctly -> wait for searching to finish -> put switch into pairing mode again to remove it from the network

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Now what I would expect in the logs is to just see the device leaving the network. What I actually see is it re-joining when the coordinator is no longer searching

azure tinsel
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@gentle fern keep removing and adding it until the power shows. Sometimes it took allot of tries for me to

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It's like the interview most of the time does not get completely through

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You could also try to just put the switch in pairing mode after it allready has been found and let zha find it again. Sometimes the battery pops up

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If it does then it's correctly configured. It seems like these battery powered devices cut off the interview

gentle fern
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I've done it so many times

azure tinsel
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What switches do you have

gentle fern
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Aqara Opple

azure tinsel
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They can successfully have battery stats with zha

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Sometimes it helps toput them in pairing mode during the interview

gentle fern
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I know, 7 out of 8 do. 1 is just being a dick

azure tinsel
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Ah ok... Then maybe it's the switch itself. Not sure what's wrong then

gentle fern
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Is was 2 being awkward, but I managed to get one of them to pair

azure tinsel
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Have you tried removing the battery

gentle fern
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Yeah. Tried putting it into pairing mode and then quickly removing the battery to get it properly unpaired, tried holding the pairing button while putting the battery in

azure tinsel
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Strange.. if you paired a bunch allready I'm not sure what's wrong.

gentle fern
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Meither. It's very frustrating. It's also frustrating, and slightly worrying, that ZHA seems to keep my coordinator in pairing mode even after it's stopped searching

austere patio
tiny gate
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hello from germany 🙂 i have a big problem with my rasbee2 .... i just can't get it involved anymore.
yesterday i switched from the sd card to an ssd and nothing has been running since ...

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does any of you also use the rasbee2 or all only the conbee usb stick?

gentle fern
austere patio
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Once it has the network key there's not much you can do to prevent it from joining the network

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If it re-joins after you factory reset it, then the reset didn't seem to work

gentle fern
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I have no idea how to factory reset it. I'll look that up

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Yeah, so it's supposed to reset when you put it into pairing mode

austere patio
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The only coordinator that I'm aware of that had issues with keeping joins enabled was the CC2531, but that was fixed months ago.

loud belfry
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Since one of the last HA updates I cannot pair new zigbee devices. Anyone else here with similar problems? (ZHA with conbee2 and latest firmware)

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I can see some Errors like: 0xbe93] Delivery error for seq # 0xd1, on endpoint id 0 cluster 0x8000: message send failure

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And Log says raspbee2 instead of conbee2

austere patio
loud belfry
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the log is huge. anything I can grep for?

austere patio
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zigpy|zha|deconz should work

loud belfry
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austere patio
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Plug it into a USB 2.0 extension cable, away from any potential sources of interference (including active USB 3.0 ports)

loud belfry
gentle flint
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tiny gate
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good morning everyone 🙂 does anyone of you use a rasbee2?

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loud belfry
tiny gate
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the problems are probably also known with a conbee 2. This should be remedied with a USB cable. brings me nothing with the gpio

sour shadow
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If you moved from SD to SSD then it's possibly a power issue

tiny gate
sour shadow
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Yes

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Or the USB cable you're using to connect it to the Pi

tiny gate
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I have the original from the Raspberry

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I then set everything up again and installed the phoscon image (Raspbian Buster Desktop
Beta image with desktop based on Debian Buster) then I installed HomeAssistant and supervisor manually. In principle, however, it starts with what I have to enter in /Boot/config.TXT ... I always find different options

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it should work, because I get it integrated via the deconz integration. I would like to use either Zigbeemqtt or “zha”.

sour shadow
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The RaspBee and ConBee are best used with deCONZ

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If you're using ZHA or Z2M then use a CC2652 based stick, or a current generation EZSP stick

tiny gate
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When I was on the SD card, I had "zha" and it worked perfectly

sour shadow
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It does point to a power problem

tiny gate
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so better an ssd with its own power supply?

sour shadow
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Or a powered USB hub maybe

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TBH I'd suggest not running on a Pi

tiny gate
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if I had been told yesterday 😂 I would have saved myself a lot of work

sour shadow
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Well, if it used to work, and you change one thing, then it no longer works.... odds are the problem relates to what you changed

tiny gate
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Sure

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okay, that helped me a lot! Thank you very much! But…

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why does the dconz app find it, but not zha ?!

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for zha I mean that i have to change the config.txt ...

gentle flint
loud belfry
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Host is current Debian stable. HA running on Docker 2021.7.4

spare talon
#

I got myself an Ikea Tradfri 5 button remote to try out and was able to successfully bind the remote directly in ZHA to a light group for Groups (though tbh I don't know what this binding does yet), OnOff, and LevelControl, and it was pretty easy! Nice! Did a little digging into device quirks and I have a rough understanding of how the quirk is translating zha_events from the button presses. There are also left and right buttons on the switch, and I see a "ScenesCluster" binding for the remote, is there some documentation on how that is supposed to work?

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(I ended up creating an automation to select through scenes and bound that to triggers on the button presses, but I was wondering if there was a more ZHA+bind-y way to do that)

austere patio
loud belfry
austere patio
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I think so, I'm not 100% sure what the release schedule is

mellow geode
# loud belfry ok, so maybe with the next patch?

As https://github.com/home-assistant/core/pull/53472 doesn't have a milestone, I don't think it'll be cherry-picked into a "patched version" (next one would be 2021.7.5).
You can manually update to the latest dev build: 2021.8.0.dev20210726 (note: since it's not even in beta, it may break stuff -- works fine for me lol. Just remember to take a backup before if you attempt to do this. HassOS: core update --version 2021.8.0.dev20210726)
Otherwise, wait ~2 days (28.07.21), as we'll get the 2021.8.0 beta then which will include the fix. It should be pushed to stable on 04.08.21)

desert cloak
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Over 20 of my about 35 Ikea sensors and remotes are showing battery level null (zigbee2mqtt), some might have almost empty batteries, but they are working and even though changing new batteries, they are still sending null battery level. Is there something I should know?

wild zodiac
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Hey. I'm trying to connect my ID lock 150 to HA with Conbee 2, but I don't understand much of it. Is anyone able to help me?

sour shadow
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Which of the three Zigbee integrations are you using?

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The Conbee is just a stick

wild zodiac
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I have installed deCONZ in HA, if that's what you're asking? Sorry, I'm new to much of this 😛

sour shadow
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Yes, deCONZ

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Do you have an existing Zigbee mesh, or is this your first device?

wild zodiac
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I have a few lamps already. And a new device is listet that I haven't added myself, so maybe that's the lock?

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It's just called 0x3F2E, so not very descripive.

sour shadow
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Did you try to pair the lock?

wild zodiac
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That's what I need help with, not sure how to do that.

sour shadow
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In general, same way as anything else

wild zodiac
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With the lights, it was just to press "search" in the Phoscon app.

sour shadow
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Put deCONZ into pairing mode, put the device into pairing mode, swear a lot

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Sounds like much the same then

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The lights clearly defaulted to pairing mode, you just need to put the lock into it

wild zodiac
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2 sec

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Am I not allowed to post pictures here?

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The instructions says to put in batteries, and it should go in pairing mode, and a blue light should blink when it's paired. It did blink earlier, and I have a new device in my cluster, so maybe it has auto-added itself?

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sour shadow
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Sounds it, if deCONZ was in pairing mode shrug

wild zodiac
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Is there a way to figure out what that new thing in deCONZ is, or check to see if it's my door? To me it's just a bunch of numbers.

sour shadow
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You should have associated entities or devices in HA, hopefully

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Look for one called lock.?

stray hill
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Does zibgee not have an exclude mode?

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I've been using a lot of zwave stuff lately

sour shadow
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You can remove nodes, yes

stray hill
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trying to move a sensor from my smartthings deployment to HA

gentle fern
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How would one go about getting attributes added to a device in ZHA? The main reason I wanted to try Z2M was because it reports the smoke density from my xiaomi smoke alarm. Seeing as Z2M was an abject failure for me how would I get that smoke density from ZHA?

stray hill
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using HAZ

sour shadow
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With most Zigbee stuff you can just pair it directly to the new controller

stray hill
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ZHA*

sour shadow
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Putting it into pairing mode causes it to "leave" the previous mesh

stray hill
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Okay I guess I'll just have to figure out what I'm doing wrong on the pairing.

austere patio
stray hill
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I got it.

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Thanks @sour shadow

gentle fern
wild zodiac
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This is what I see in deCONZ. Could that lonely thing be my lock?

sour shadow
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Damn.... deCONZ sucks

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With Zigbee2MQTT I get full details on the devices

gentle fern
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With Z2M I get constant timeouts 😦

sour shadow
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It just hates you, don't worry about it 😛

gentle fern
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But it is a lovely interface!

austere patio
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The node descriptor doesn't tell you much

gentle fern
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It really does. It hates me so much

gentle fern
spare talon
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just my 0.02 as a new user, I used deconz for all of a day before switching to ZHA and ZHA is far superior

austere patio
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If Z2M implements it then just look at the appropriate handler

gentle fern
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I'm fairly sure I know what cluster attribute it is. There's an AnalogInput cluster with a present_value attribute. I just have no idea where to go from there

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I would obviously like to confirm that I'm correct, but don't really fancy starting a fire :/

austere patio
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Are you able to read the attribute within ZHA?

gentle fern
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Yeah, it says 0.0. As I said, would love to see it change but not willing to start a fire

austere patio
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Looks like the non-standard Xiaomi heartbeat

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Depending on the type of sensor you may be able to trigger it with dust

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But idk if that will permanently degrade its operation

gentle fern
austere patio
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If I'm reading the Z2M converter correctly, it's using the non-standard Xiaomi packed attribute report

wild zodiac
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@spare talon I installed ZHA, and it recognized the lock with name and everything straight away 🙂 Thanks!

gentle fern
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attribute_id: [65281] value: [{'battery_voltage_mV': 3135, 'temperature': 34, 'X-attrib-4': 5032, 'X-attrib-5': 24, 'X-attrib-6': 1310740, 'path': 26456, '0xff01-8': 4100, '0xff01-100': 0, '0xff01-150': 0}] 💥

austere patio
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It should be the -100 one

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Because ZHA quirks turn non-standard devices into standard ones, you'll have to map that attribute report to the correct Zigbee ZCL cluster and attribute

gentle fern
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And where might I find the info to ascertain that?

austere patio
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Hmm. Maybe the PM2.5 measurement cluster??

gentle fern
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Don't suppose you could point me to any examples of where similar things have been done? Monkey see, and all...

austere patio
gentle fern
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by a PM25 cluster

austere patio
gentle fern
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ah!

austere patio
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I'm not sure what in the zigbee spec matches up with "smoke density" or whatever the alarm outputs, but that (to me) seemed reasonable

gentle fern
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Yeah, that seems sensible to me too

loud belfry
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Today I replaced my USB extension cable with a new one and my conbee2/zha startesd working again. Thanks for your help!

soft fractal
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My automations based on Hue dimmer switches connected to a Hue bridge recently stopped working.. The dimmer switches control lights correctly through Hue bridge and I can still set and read light status correctly throuh HA. Idea appreciated

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(Attempted to listen for events in case an ID had changed or something, but couldn't see anything directly related to the switches throuhg listening to "state changes", only the state changes of the lighs themselves based on input through the switches. It's also a "hue events" option, but that doesn't actually give any data)

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Seems to be like the Hue bridge no longer send input data from my dimmer switches to HA (after changing to push API).. But I might very well be missing something..

dry fossil
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If you're still using one of those dumb bridges, you should probably be in #integrations-archived. This channel is for people wise enough to use one of the 3 integrations that talk directly to HA.

soft fractal
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ok, integrations might be better, but I disagree regarding "dumb" and "smart" as I consider it s design decition not to depend on HA for basic functionality like lights which will work dependent of HA

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and, yes, I also have ZHA and Zigbee devices directly connected, but that's beside the point as it's not "critical functionality"

austere patio
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You don't need a bridge to bind switches to bulbs

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They can communicate directly and just report the state change (assuming the devices are all standards-compliant, otherwise you run into issues)

mellow geode
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running the latest Home Assistant dev build

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not sure if it's actually impacting something

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The affected IEEE addresses are Xiaomi Zigbee 3.0 smart plugs and Xiaomi/Aqara Opple (Zigbee 3.0) remotes

austere patio
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The only schema change is the endpoint_id constraint

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Does a quirk add endpoints or something?

mellow geode
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The devices definitely still work. It's possible that the quirk might change the endpoints for the Aqara Opple remotes. I think I had one of the remotes paired without a quirk existing at that point

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I think the quirk puts the remote into some other mode where it exposes more endpoints (or it just replaces them).

austere patio
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Hmm, this isn't good

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It's not going to critically break anything but the attribute cache won't be persisted to the database for these endpoints that don't really exist

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What does sqlite3 /path/to/zigbee.db .dump | grep '04:cf:8c:df:3c:7e:4c:3f' show for the device?

mellow geode
austere patio
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Yeah, looks like the device is only supposed to have endpoints 1 and 242, but also seems to have attribute records for endpoints 21 and 22

mellow geode
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ah, it might be that I had a custom quirk installed for that one too at some point (Aqara Smart Plug)

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and the Aqara Opple remotes didn't have a quirk yet

austere patio
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Do the remotes (without quirks) also follow a similar pattern?

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I don't think zigpy would process the attribute report unless the device object itself has the appropriate endpoint

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Which seems like it could only be added with a quirk of some kind

mellow geode
austere patio
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Hmm, same thing. Has only endpoint 1 but has cached attributes for endpoints 1, 2, 3, and 4

mellow geode
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Since I'm pretty sure I never installed a custom quirk (while developing or whatever) for these remotes, it must be related to the remotes actually presenting different endpoints at initial pairing (or the quirk doing something special)

austere patio
mellow geode
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yeah, that's the one that's used by the remote

austere patio
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Looks like the schema just needs to be relaxed. Time for a v6 migration...

mellow geode
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haha

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at least it didn't break anything user-facing I guess

austere patio
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Thanks for testing it out before the beta

gentle flint
onyx talon
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anyone see this?: https://sync-sign.com looks like a great low cost e-ink control interface. the hub also supports zigbee and there are some mqtt example plugins. ordering a dev kit to play with myself.

austere patio
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A ~$200 "dev kit" and old Xiaomi Mijia sensors being resold for $40 each. Seems suspicious...

fleet lodge
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@onyx talon Very, very cool concept. If you're interested in developing an end-to-end IoT solution, this looks like an easier way to get your feet wet than DEVELCO's developer kit. I'm pretty sure they wanted $2,500 for theirs. Although above all, I'd recommend architecting your own technology stack for autonomy and costs. We use Zigbee >> Mosquitto >> Balena >> AWS IoT Core >> AWS DynamoDB.

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There is A LOT of room for vertical IoT solutions and enterprise products in the Zigbee space. You can slowly see it starting to see these solutions start to bubble-up out of the tinkerer / maker ecosystem, but we are still very much in the early innings.

ivory hound
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ohhh the zigbeee 😄

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just wanted to leave that here for someone 🙂

lapis oyster
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if a device (Iris 3210-L) shows energy in Smartthings but not in zigbee2mqtt, is it safe to assume that the Smartthings DHT is calculating it?

graceful notch
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energy as in W ?

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Z2M doc says it should report power, current & voltage

lapis oyster
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ya in W

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it can be calculated of course, but if the plug itself has it i'd rather use it from there

graceful notch
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what does the debug log report ?

lapis oyster
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reading over the DHT it looks like it's being calculated

graceful notch
lapis oyster
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it's reporting what it says there, but not energy (cumulative) like ST does

sour shadow
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That's probably done by ST

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HA has a utility meter integration for that

lapis oyster
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perfect, was just trying to make sure i wasn't missing anything

sudden coyote
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Probably living in a dreamland here, but is there a smart switch that will control a smart bulb rather than turning off the power with the following features:

  • Zigbee
  • No batteries (i.e. wired)
  • Supports binding (so it will work if the coordinator fails)
  • Isn't Xiaomi

The Zigbee Binding requirements unfortunately means no kinetic/ green power devices 😦 I will likely use Zigbee2mqtt.

graceful notch
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if you hack a hue dimmer, it might work ? 😄

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replace the battery with a wired adapter that provides the same voltage/power

austere patio
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Is anyone using the Philips Hue Tap switch with non-Hue routers? I'm seeing documentation everywhere mention that only Hue devices can act as ZGP proxies for them but all of my IKEA routers have a ZGP endpoint. It seems like they should also work?

gentle flint
molten linden
gentle flint
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Just don't connect anything on the load side, then it would satisfy all the requirements

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I mean you connect both switch and bulb to the line side of the switch and leave the load side unconnected if you really want to do it that way

torn saffron
foggy gyro
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How many devices is too many?

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I'm using a CC2652RB

sour shadow
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For most domestic setups, tens of thousands is probably too many

foggy gyro
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Oh wow. I was foolishly thinking the limit was a few dozen

sour shadow
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On a CC2531 you can still scale to many hundreds, performance just sucks

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The theoretical limit is about 65K

foggy gyro
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Any insight to when the noticeable performance threshold is?

sour shadow
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With the CC2652.... more than hundreds

foggy gyro
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That is very comforting thank you!

sour shadow
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I've got about 60 devices and there's no performance difference than when I had 5

foggy gyro
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I was noticing 20 was a big problem with a CC2531 so I upgraded and was worried I was getting carried away with doing nearly every bulb and lamp in my house.

austere patio
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I think the "hard" limit for the CC2652R with the default firmware is somewhere around 300

sour shadow
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There's a limit of 200 Zigbee 3.0 devices anyway