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split vault
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here's the data for the "on" event

austere patio
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That differs from what's in the quirk

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Is that the only one?

split vault
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yeah so this has a bunch of constants so I can't tell what the strings are supposed to be

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so the top button toggles between sending "on" and "off"

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the second button is to control the brightness.. and it basically sends a "move_to_level" command and then sends some args with what looks like a brightness level

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        "device_ieee": "cc:cc:cc:ff:fe:a9:d1:5d",
        "unique_id": "cc:cc:cc:ff:fe:a9:d1:5d:1:0x0008",
        "device_id": "e6a8d173d7edf4f0d54efb8b258f637c",
        "endpoint_id": 1,
        "cluster_id": 8,
        "command": "move_to_level",
        "args": [
            191,
            3
        ]
    },```
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that 191 cycles

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between a bunch of numbers

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it seems to be a 8-bit brightness level value

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how can I take this python module and move it into my custom quirks directory to test stuff?

austere patio
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Are you familiar with Python?

split vault
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yes

austere patio
split vault
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as far as I can tell this switch does not do any long presses on the buttons BTW

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none of the imports have to be modified if I do that?

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I don't need the __init__.py?

austere patio
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Nope

split vault
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is this path relative to my config folder?

austere patio
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It's an absolute path

split vault
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oh I see ,he's got new device_automation_triggers posted in there.

austere patio
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So /config/zha_custom_quirks/ if you're using the OS

split vault
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but this has been merged?

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this comment

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doesn't match the code in the repo

austere patio
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It doesn't look like that stuff was

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Looks like the normal buttons should be simple to expose as device automation triggers, the programmable one isn't

split vault
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do you have to restart HA Core to get it to load these quirks?

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yeah I'm not as concerned about button 4

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I just want the top three to work

austere patio
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Usually yes but I think I got it to load the quirk module once by clicking the "update settings" button in the main ZHA configuration page

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After that the modules are cached so it won't re-load it

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If that doesn't work, you'll have to restart core. You can tell that it's using your quirk if you look at the device signature again, or the device page itself, which lists the quirk in use

split vault
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so it did reload it

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because I forgot to import the new consts 😛

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and I got an error

austere patio
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Try the button again, maybe the error caused the module to not "load"

split vault
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Ah I would need to add brand new constants

austere patio
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Which ones? The move_to_level ones?

split vault
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I'll just define them locally

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yeah

austere patio
split vault
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python doesn't really care where I define these consts.. I mean unless there's somewhere else in the system that is gonna depend on them

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if I can figure this out, I'll put in a PR

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it seems like maybe it wasn't tested when the last PR went in

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or.. ecosmart changed it slightly? I hope that's not what happend

austere patio
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Could be a different firmware version or hardware revision. There's no info about the original device in the PR except for the endpoint info but maybe something else distinguishes it from yours

split vault
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These are attractive because they are like $7 for a zigbee bulb and a remote

austere patio
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Do any of the changes you're making conflict with existing triggers?

split vault
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I don't think so

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I wouldn't know if they were

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I'm new to home assistant coding

austere patio
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If any of the dictionary keys are duplicated

split vault
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oh in my automation dict?

austere patio
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Yeah, Python will only use the last key: {'a': 1, 'a': 2} == {'a': 2}

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These bulbs get pretty hot and really dislike brownouts

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But for < $7 I wouldn't miss them

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Mine gently crackle and flicker sometimes after a brownout a few months ago but otherwise work fine

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Their minimum brightness is really dim compared to IKEA bulbs

split vault
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yeah, I've got some hue bulbs and they are brighter

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I guess you get what you pay for

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I wish I had an IKEA close to me

austere patio
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They make pretty good night lights if you have motion sensors turn them to 1% brightness

split vault
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okay, so I just had some success

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but it's weird, it doesn't trigger everytime I press the button

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oh it's every other press

austere patio
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Is that one of the buttons that remembers state and sends one of two commands?

split vault
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maybe I have a bug

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yes

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it sends on and then off

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alternating

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oH i only setup one automation

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I'm an idiot

austere patio
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Having them both map to the same automation trigger doesn't seem possible at the moment

split vault
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it's working perfectly now

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now for the other two buttons.. I don't suppose it's possible to grab that 8-bit number and figure out how to make that end up in the automation so I can set the light to a percentage based off of it

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I mean I can just use it as a binary on off switch

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as a plain button I guess

austere patio
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Hmm, that I do not know

split vault
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huh, so when you hold down the "brightness button"

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it throws a "move" event after a time and then shortly after throws a "stop" event

austere patio
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Yeah, it's likely so that you can join the remote directly to a bulb and it tells the bulb to do just that

split vault
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I guess with the built in way it works with the bulb it would start changing the brightness and then "stop" changing it when you let go

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yeah

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where do people come up with these weird interactions 😛

austere patio
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The magic of Zigbee 🪄

split vault
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I could probably build some kind of script that toggles the color brightness between levels using a script or automation inside HA

austere patio
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Yeah, the raw zha_event gives you access to the actual command the remote sends

split vault
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yeah, and you can trigger off that, but I don't think you can grab data from it, store it in a variable and use as data in an action

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but you never know, HA surprises me all the time

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anyway, it's late, I got this much working, I'll work on the rest later. Thanks for your help!

austere patio
brazen robin
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puddly: what are these quirks that y'all are talking about. Is is something I can grab, put somewhere in HA, and modify to hopefully get my switch working like it should?

austere patio
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IIRC your switch is Tuya, which is exceptionally bad. They're not as simple as most other devices to support because they sort of implement their own proprietary protocol on top of Zigbee.

brazen robin
# austere patio Quirks are what ZHA uses to make "bad" devices work better. They're automaticall...

I wanted to try the "testing new releases". I added the repository, Custom deps deployment, and started the add-on. But I'm not sure what to do next. The docker-based install says navigating to /usr/local/lib/python3.x and then site-packages but I have dist-packages in my python 3.7 folder.
was looking at the ts0044.py and was curious if it would just be a simple matter of changing line 54 from MODELS_INFO: [("_TZ3000_vp6clf9d", "TS0044")], to MODELS_INFO: [("TS0044"; "_TZ3000_xabckq1v")],

brazen robin
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found it. /config/deps/lib...

mighty river
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*but recieved them

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Only thing wrong is that it says its black but its aluminium,. its like 80% cheaper than the second best price I could find this weekend when I ordered them.

brazen robin
sudden coyote
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Any chance somebody has some links to help understand how Thread/ CHIP/ Matter will work/ not work with Zigbee? Before I go all-in on Zigbee, I wanted to understand what's on the horizon, but I can only really find 'marketing speak' right now rather than a pros & cons of Thread/ CHIP/ Matter when compared to 'normal' Zigbee.
Apologies if this is off-topic, wasn't quite sure which channel to post in!

sour shadow
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Future thing, don't worry about it

forest cobalt
sudden coyote
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Yeah, I figured this was the answer, I just want to be prepared! I suppose the fact there is nothing out there highlights not having to worry about it!

sudden coyote
sour shadow
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Also, there's always something "newer and better" on the horizon. If you wait for that you'll never do anything...

forest cobalt
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Most people have no idea how ingrained the Zigbee protocol is in everything. It's been used for years in commercial automation applications.

sour shadow
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Smart meters...

jolly narwhal
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Reminds me of that one guy when I worked in a computer store that came by every week to hear if a new model motherboard or CPU was in stock, then he replaced his current if it was

sudden coyote
forest cobalt
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I'm old enough to remember the craziness when Zigbee3.0 came out. 😉 lol

graceful silo
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i keep reading online that many devices aren't compatible with channel 26, but can't find out which devices aren't

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are there really that many devices not compatible with 26?

forest cobalt
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Yes. Most ZLL profile devices (Cree, Ikea, Philips, and a few others) pretty much require channels 11, 15, 20, and 25. Touchlink devices (which are most of your Zigbee 3.0 devices) requires those channels as well. 26 is a fringe channel that only ZHA profile devices can really operate on (and usually even those tend to fail on that channel rather quickly as well). Unless you have some use case where you HAVE to run on channel 26, it's generally not recommend as it sits on the very fringe of the Zigbee frequencies.

graceful silo
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ok thanks

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i'm migrating adapters

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will 2 plugs have trouble coexisting on 25

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for a little while

forest cobalt
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Yeah, they will have issues.

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Unless you are doing a backup/restore from one coordinator to the other, it's better to just setup your new coordinator as a new mesh (with a proper channel).

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(and yeah, it's a pain to have to re-pair all the devices lol)

graceful silo
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i'm using zigbee2mqtt

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re-pair was actually ok

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but the groups didn't seem to work anymore

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after I changed the channel

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is that normal?

forest cobalt
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You probably need to recreate your groups. I've heard of that happening before.

graceful silo
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someone else was saying the conbee II had a lot of issues

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but I haven't been able to pinpoint the actual issues people are having

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do you have examples? maybe I also have these problems, just don't know...

forest cobalt
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Mostly, AFAIK, problems with the conbee have been things to do with the conbee firmware. Race conditions, high CPU usage on the host and such.

graceful silo
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is it normal to get a lot of
Failed to read state of 'L - Spot 8' after reconnect"

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in the log

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but the lights seem to work. i only control lights with groups

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or "Failed to ping 'L - xxxxx'"

forest cobalt
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That's not normal, no. How many repeaters do you have in your mesh?

graceful silo
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how do i see that?

forest cobalt
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Take a count of any mains powered devices (plugs, switches, bulbs, etc).

graceful silo
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61 devices, 59 are powered, only 2 battery

forest cobalt
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Huh... ok, so you aren't repeater starved. lol But... you are also getting to the max capabilities of the conbee2 as well. Anything over 30 source routes and it starts to have issues.

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You said you were changing coordinators... what are you moving from/to?

graceful silo
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i've read conbee II can support up to 200+ devices

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i was using conbee with deconz, moving to conbee with zigbee2mqtt

forest cobalt
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It can... kinda. deconz fakes it a bit by smoothing the messages between the coordinator and the devices.

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Z2M is a more purist approach and doesn't do any of that message smoothing.

graceful silo
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smoothing as in ignores some?

forest cobalt
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More like FIFO queues.

graceful silo
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what do you mean by conbee II having issues with "over 30 source routes"

forest cobalt
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So, in a typical Zigbee mesh, the coordinator knows all of it's direct children and those direct children know about their direct children... Source routes are how many direct children are attached to the coordinator. Give that you have potentially 59 routers, there's a high probability more than 30 are directly connected to the conbee directly.

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A Zigbee coordinator isn't that different than your typical network router. The more traffic it has to process, the beefier it needs to be. For instance, you can't use a consumer grade router (like a cheap TP-Link) and expect it to handle over 100 WiFi clients. It just doesn't have the processing power to route all that traffic. Same thing applies to the conbee and other small coordinators. At some point, it exhausts it's queues and just starts dropping messages.

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deconz (well, phoscon) kind of "fixes" that by using it's own queues for messages. Since the host running deconz is usually larger than the conbee is, you don't notice it except when there's a LOT of traffic on the mesh.

graceful silo
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i see. i was under the impression the conbee II was one of the more capable coordinators.

forest cobalt
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For smaller meshes, it absolutely is.

sour shadow
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And if you're running deCONZ it's the only choice

graceful silo
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capable of handling more devices

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i'm moving away from deconz

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the errors on in z2m

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errors in the log

forest cobalt
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But yours is also a bit different... Normally, most "typical" meshes have a handful of router devices and more end devices. You have a ton of router devices and not a lot of end devices. That causes you to have a ton more source routes.

graceful silo
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would the zzh! CC2652R be able to handle this better?

sour shadow
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Yes

graceful silo
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can these coordinators handle 100-200 devices?

forest cobalt
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By leaps and bounds.

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Any of the CC2652 boards would be better.

graceful silo
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100-200 devices no problem?

forest cobalt
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Nope

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The CC2652P2 that I have can handle upwards of 200 source routes. 😄 (Thanks Tube!!!)

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Plus, I have 2 CC2652P2 serving as routers that can handle ~50 routes on their own.

modest oar
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If someone here have conbee2 as headless install, could you hit me up with message to help how to connect to it... what is the default address or something?

sour shadow
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The default address?

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What integration are you using? What install method for HA are you using?

modest oar
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Im trying to setup HA with M2Z... I have MQTT in HA. But the M2Z side might be still not ready... I have flashed the conbee2 but I guess I should be able to connect to it via webapp?

graceful silo
forest cobalt
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Yeah, he goes out of stock quick. He has a twitter feed where he posts when he gets stock in.

graceful silo
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how many devices do you have with these?

forest cobalt
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I'm at 70 right now.

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But, I could jump up to 100+ in the couple of weeks.

graceful silo
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gtg, thanks for suggestions, will look into those other coordinators

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i'm still very confused by these limits

molten linden
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I'm running low on supplies (out of my control right now 😭 ), but will try to build out the remaining modules I have to boards today. will post to to twitter.com/tubeszb when they are in the store.

graceful silo
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i'll be watching

rich mirage
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currently I'm having issues with my controller pairing over 10 devices (I got 15 devices total). Before I was using a cr2351 which was dropping those devices farther away, switched to a husbzb-1 now it keeps stable at 10 devices and drops the other 5 at random?

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note that I'm using the husbzb-1 with default firm. Will upgrading help

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my devices are 12 sonoff temp and door sensor. 3 aqara motion sensor

forest cobalt
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You need at least 1 (or maybe more) router devices; Plugs, switches, bulbs... something mains powered.

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It's not the coordinator that's the problem. It's the fact that you have a mesh with just the coordinator and no way to extend that mesh.

sour shadow
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Well, the HUSBZB-1 is only a little better than the CC2531 - it uses a relatively old chipset too

forest cobalt
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Mine is still rocking as my Z-Wave coordinator. 😄

sour shadow
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It's a perfectly fine Z-Wave coordinator, but that's because all the 500 series (Z-Wave Plus) chips were made by the same company 😄

rich mirage
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yikes, I was trying to get better performance by upgrading. tried to go with the recommend for zigbee homeassistant :(

forest cobalt
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That recommendation is old (really should be updated). The HUSBZB-1 is discontinued.

rich mirage
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btw how can I tell if is a router device aside from buying an actual router for zigbee?

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ouch :(

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what will be a good updated hardware for zigbee and homeassistant?

forest cobalt
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Bascially, any device that is mains powered is a routing device in the Zigbee spec. However, use https://zigbee.blakadder.com/ before making any purchases.

forest cobalt
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Unless you have a large mesh (>50 devices), you can pretty much stick to plugs and switches (as long as they are neutral wire powered) for providing routing in your mesh. Once you get above 50 or so devices, you'll want to look into getting dedicated routers.

rich mirage
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but that's where i redirected myself to the husbzb-1 . It recommended the emberznet based usb stick which the husbzb-1 is. and also redirects me to the zha integration page

sour shadow
forest cobalt
rich mirage
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Oh nice I will check this one

forest cobalt
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Personally, I'd stay away from emberznet devices as they can get quirky, depending on the firmware. Some people swear by them, but I've had nothing but issues with them over the years.

rich mirage
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Welp at least im glad the stick I picked can be use for zwave, so it was not a total waste if this is really the culprit

gentle flint
forest cobalt
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True on both counts, but with them being discontinued, I didn't think many sellers still offered them (granted, I haven't checked in years on purchasing one).

gentle flint
forest cobalt
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I'll update my comment to "imho" 😄

sour shadow
forest cobalt
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LOL!

sour shadow
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Nortek GoControl QuickStick Combo Model HUSBZB-1 (note that this is based on Silabs older EM3581 "Ember" family chip)
Not the oldest, but still, if you've got a choice of current or old ... why the heck would you pick old?

austere patio
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Because you can buy it on Amazon and it works pretty well

sour shadow
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(not wrong, but still ablobjoy)

austere patio
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It doesn't have the same unicast request performance as the CC2652 (or I assume the newer SiLabs chips) but for most people who just connect a bunch of switches and a lightbulb it should work fine

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(though I don't think Tube minds the extra traffic)

gentle flint
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Going from HUSBZ-1 to latest MG21 made little difference in the network responsiveness. From user experience - 0 difference.

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Yeah it's latest and greatest now , but only because I don't mind breaking things that work

forest cobalt
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But... there's also something to be said for future-proofing.

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Don't get me wrong... I love(d) my Nortek stick and I'm still using it as a Z-Wave coordinator (because the Zigbee radio in it died 😢), but I love my CC2652P2 more now 😉

jolly narwhal
rich mirage
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I see I will see if I can get a sigbee plug or switch. but in the mean time is there a way to fix my issue without adding more devices? I mean the zha page suggest that the limit of devices per controller is around 30 devices, I'm getting stuck at 1/3 of that

forest cobalt
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I don't think it is a device limit issue. I think it's the range.

sour shadow
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A short USB extension cable might help with range

serene fractal
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So I got a aqara temp sensor and a ZZH stick. How do I connect the two.
I can't see to see a pairing mode button?

austere patio
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On the sensor?

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There's only one button on it

sour shadow
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In Z2M just push Permit Join in the UI

serene fractal
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Using ZHA

austere patio
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In the ZHA integration, push the "Add Devices" button in the bottom right corner

serene fractal
austere patio
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Bluetooth

sour shadow
austere patio
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You sure that's the right one?

serene fractal
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Well then

sour shadow
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It's probably still possible to use them with HA, just not this way

serene fractal
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Mistake learned
Read the bloody thing 😂

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Yeah Bluetooth instead of, zigbee.

graceful silo
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we all have a box full of mistakes...

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part of the fun

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just don't tell the wife

sour shadow
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I have a drawer of those...

forest cobalt
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I got 5 or 10 BT Sengled bulbs from some Best Buy promotion recently... They're in a drawer... doing absolutely nothing lol

graceful silo
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my hue cemetery

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painful when i think about how much i spent on those

forest cobalt
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Hue bluetooth devices?

graceful silo
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before they had bl

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bought about 5 years ago maybe

forest cobalt
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Ohhhhh, first gen?! Ouch.

graceful silo
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no

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3rd i think

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with the slightly brighter colors

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they weren't terrible

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at the time.

forest cobalt
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Huh, I still have 2nd and 3rd gen lights in my setup.

graceful silo
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i moved 1 month ago, so a lot of turnover

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had about 25 ceiling cans with hue 3rd gen

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but back to original comment, plenty of other sensors that were either by mistake or crap

forest cobalt
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To be fair, the Hue bulbs are probably the BEST when it comes to stability. Color sat and brightness kinda suck though.

graceful silo
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there were very reliable, I used with hue hub

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all before i discovered HA

forest cobalt
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I have a 10 gallon tub of old Zigbee/Z-Wave stuff up in the attic. My wife told me to sell it all... but I declined and stuffed it up in the attic. 😉

graceful silo
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hehe

rich mirage
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thats why I was assuming it was a device number issue, since it sits flat at 10 devices. I figure by updating it will help, but its just me speculating, I want to confirm with anyone over here. Since I don't want to take on that ordeal specially since the only linux base machine is the one where my ha is sitting on.

austere patio
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What do you mean when you say "drops"?

rich mirage
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th device shows up as offline

austere patio
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Like they become permanently unavailable?

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Do they ever come back online?

rich mirage
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i haven't notice it with the husbzb-1 but with the cr2351 it did happen rarely

austere patio
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With the CC2531 specifically, "offline" can be caused by the coordinator itself getting frozen

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And can only be fixed by unplugging and plugging it back in

sour shadow
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Which happens on any day ending in ... any letter of the alphabet really

austere patio
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What do the LQI and RSSI values look like for your sensors?

rich mirage
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both unknown

austere patio
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Did you recently restart HA?

rich mirage
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yes I did... setting up another integration

austere patio
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They're recorded at runtime so the values won't populate until the sensor checks in

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Do the Aqara motion sensors ever become unavailable?

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Or just the Sonoff?

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I can't speak for the Sonoff but despite treating the spec as loose guidelines, Aqara devices do work like clockwork and check in about once every 50 minutes, no matter what

rich mirage
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right now 1 aqara device down
2 sonoff door sensor

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1 thermostat sonoff

austere patio
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I'd wait like an hour and check what the LQI and RSSI values look like

rich mirage
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they have been offline since like 10 hours or so

austere patio
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If you have no routers there's really nothing to screw up the connection to the coordinator other than environmental factors

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Like the coordinator's ability to receive packets crippled by placement (e.g. in a metal cabinet, stuck straight into the back of computer, etc.)

rich mirage
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I started playing with the door opening and clossing. I see the sensor flashing detecting change in state, but it still appears offline. this door is in clear sight to the controller and its about 12 feet/4 meters away

austere patio
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They usually flash multiple times or do a single long blink when they can't contact the coordinator

rich mirage
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It still appears offline, and unknown

austere patio
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Try re-joining it and look at the RSSI and LQI

rich mirage
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I notice when it can't contact the coordinator it gives a faint blink while when it's in contact it give a brighter blink

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rejoining by reconfigure?

austere patio
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No, just permit joins in ZHA and reset the device

rich mirage
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Enable new device to join to the integration?

austere patio
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Yeah, the "add device" button

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If it's blinking faintly it could be that the battery is almost dead

rich mirage
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it switches between faintly or bright if its connect to the coordinator. when it was connected it said batteries where at 81%

austere patio
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Battery percentage for Aqara is garbage

rich mirage
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ouchie, well im restarting ha to see if it reappears

austere patio
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Won't make any difference

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Sensors aren't contacted by ZHA

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Their state changes when they themselves send something

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They just stop working properly after a while and usually fail to re-join due to the extra current draw during scanning causing the battery voltage to dip too low

rich mirage
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okay, so let me see if I get this right, you want me to do add device and do resync on the actual device kind of like if I where syncing the device for the first time?

austere patio
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Yeah

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Just re-join it to your network, since it seems to not be

rich mirage
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oh okay, i think I misunderstood the first time > .<

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will be back in a bit again then

frail shell
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Hello everyone, does someone here has experience with the Sonoff Dual (R3) zigbee version ?

rich mirage
# austere patio Just re-join it to your network, since it seems to not be

and its back online hopefully it wont go offline. But I think I just realized something. When I switched from cr2351 to the husbzb-1 there where some device that I didn't need to readd. I think this might have been the one the went offline after restarting ha... (or maybe I'm miss remembering because I do remember taking the change to rename the devices in ha)

brazen robin
# austere patio Quirks are what ZHA uses to make "bad" devices work better. They're automaticall...

Opened support ticket earlier. I tried adding custom quirks following instructions to install Custom deps deloyment. Broke something; thought it was corrupted zigbee.db by trying to modify TS0044.py with TS004F's MODEL_INFO. Had to jump through hoops and reload snapshot to fix. Tried again because I was going to use a TS004F.py being developed. ZHA broke after installing the Custom deps deployment. Had to reload snapshot again because ZHA would not load and I couldn't remove to attempt to reinstall.
Error occurred loading configuration flow for integration zha: cannot import name 'setup' from 'zhaquirks' (/config/deps/lib/python3.8/site-packages/zhaquirks/__init__.py)

gentle flint
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Delete /config/deps/lib/python 3.8/zhaquirks and zigpy folders

austere patio
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Did you accidentally follow the instructions to the letter and install the old release of the quirks package from like a year ago?

brazen robin
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Reloading snapshot deleted it for me.
The first time a did and the second time I used 0.54 (?)

dusky hatch
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Anyone here experienced in troubleshooting bellows problems? I also have a Tuya remote like d_sellers1, unfortunately it doesn't look like its the same model (it reports itself as a TS1001). 2 of the 4 buttons are working okay, but the other 2 are not being decoded by bellows.ezsp.protocol properly as far as I can tell.

austere patio
dusky hatch
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Thanks for the suggestion. I've done exactly that for the buttons that produce a frame that is passed down the stack, but its the frames that are not producing proper zcl frames that I'm pondering over

austere patio
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Do you have a sample?

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I'm pretty sure Tuya devices are "compliant" with the spec, they just do everything with manufacturer-specific clusters

obsidian sandalBOT
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dusky hatch
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Sorry for the wall folks..

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The '1' button seems to work ok. The '0' button was kind of working, dim +/- were being weird. I upgraded the EZSP software to the recommended version of the project and now the '0' button stopped working properly too.

fierce gulch
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https://imgur.com/a/MIGZYSv
Added IKEA shades button in ZHA, noticed that there are 2 entities for the remote. One is its batter level.
Does anyone know what the binary_sensor of the remote means?

simple sentinel
#

anyone else have problems with the on/off state for hue color bulbs after the recent May updates to HA? services will be able to turn lights on and off, but the HA UI will show them as on or off, until you hit the UI toggle again. zigbee2mqtt will show the correct state.

split vault
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I would love to buy some IKEA smarthome stuff, but it's not available online and there's no IKEA close to me

gentle flint
pine goblet
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Anyone know why hue bulbs so cheap on eBay

mellow geode
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Might depend on the generation

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and LEDs can be less bright (if heavily used)

thick plover
simple sentinel
forest cobalt
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I didn't even see that yesterday. Another thing to do would be to re-interview as well. That should fix it.

heavy latch
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Having an ongoing issue with z2m on hass inside VM. Every few days all zigbee stops working. Logs suggest "zigbee_publish_error". It often starts to work again itself somehow, or restating z2m fixes it. Any suggestions on where to begin?

jolly narwhal
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with what installation method ?

sour shadow
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It's HAOS 😉

jolly narwhal
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in what hypervisor ?

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🤢

sour shadow
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The logs for Z2M should tell you what's going on, but I'd bet on the USB device being disconnected from the host

heavy latch
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HAOS yes, in virtualbox, all other integrations work, just z2m is problem. I dont have to reconnect my TI USB device, to get it working again.

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Which Z2M logs?

sour shadow
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How the add-on works I don't know, but it has a logs/ folder that logs from it get written to

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The entries in there when it stops working should tell you why - but I know a few folks who've reported issues with USB devices getting briefly disconnected from HA or add-ons, causing problems like this

heavy latch
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The entries just state "Error Publish 'set' 'state' to 'Bookshelves' failed: " etc etc

sour shadow
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Look at the lines before that

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You may need to change the log level to get more info

thick plover
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Anyone using Ikea lightbulbs and they do not always turn on and off when they’re told to?

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@jolly narwhal I know you use them

heavy latch
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Yeah, I maybe must have changed the log level at some point. There is nothing sinister before that, just status updates, which have now stopped.

thick plover
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Or was it just dimmers 🤔

forest cobalt
heavy latch
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Okie, I've changed log level to debug and restarted. Will have to wait until it happens again.

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at this rate wifi switches would be more reliable 😦

thick plover
heavy latch
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are you using z2m @thick plover ?

thick plover
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Yeah z2m

forest cobalt
heavy latch
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you can see your mesh in the z2m gui, but I guess you know that already

thick plover
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The map? Yeah

forest cobalt
heavy latch
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I'm using virtualbox on macos, it would usually report if usb was disconnected. To be honest I dont believe there is a better way to host haos

forest cobalt
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There absolutely is... bare metal install (either on a SBC (rPi4/oDroid/etc) or on a NUC or even an old laptop.

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Virtualbox has a nasty history of issues with USB pass-through.

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It got slightly better when Oracle took over, but only slightly.

heavy latch
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bare metal is worst solution for backup/redeploying etc

thick plover
forest cobalt
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Z2M ui > Settings > Advanced > Last Seen

thick plover
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Still, you’d think when mqtt pushes a command to it, it would turn it off. I just hit the on button then the off one again and it turns it off

forest cobalt
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You can also set it in the config file under advanced:.

vale nova
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hi

forest cobalt
jolly narwhal
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I can redeploy my HA instance on any of my hosts in 2 minutes or less

forest cobalt
jolly narwhal
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long live container

thick plover
heavy latch
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you can redeploy haos on bare metal in 2 minutes? How does one obtain this power?

jolly narwhal
thick plover
jolly narwhal
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HAOS ?

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No thanks

forest cobalt
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LOL atx is right though... Container for the win.

simple sentinel
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@thick plover do the lights go on/off when you use services? light.turn_off etc?
Your troubles sound similar to what I dealt with

forest cobalt
thick plover
thick plover
simple sentinel
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Service calls and UI would be able to toggle the physical lights, but the state in HA wouldn't update

forest cobalt
simple sentinel
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a second hit to the toggle switch would update it

thick plover
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Ah the state in HA updates I’m fairly sure, as they appear off on my HA Lovelace UI

simple sentinel
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a bunch of my automations are based on the state being whatever for this and that amount of time, so it was an issue

heavy latch
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ok I'll look into homeassistant container, I need to be able to fix issues remotely as I spend half the year at sea.

thick plover
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My automations are fairly basic - trigger of the button being pushed and action of a service call

thick plover
forest cobalt
# thick plover Yah

Ok, quick test. Take a bulb from somewhere else in the house that works reliably, and swap one of the trouble bulbs with it. Then test it out.

jolly narwhal
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if your internet connection is stable, and your docker hosts are stable and you have a backup of your config \ replica of your config

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you can fix it anytime

simple sentinel
thick plover
heavy latch
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isn't there the same issue though, passing usb to a container?

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also supervisor is lost.

jolly narwhal
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you have two levels of virtulization currently

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Host - VM - Container

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making that one will be a lot better

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virtualbox is a shitty fulltime hypervisor too

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and supervisor is shite

heavy latch
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but requires far less babysitting

thick plover
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Thank you legends, have a great night or day or whatever you want

jolly narwhal
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it requires MORE babysitting

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based on the userbase I've seen

forest cobalt
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Later @thick plover

simple sentinel
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you never get to hear from users that are living the good life, though

jolly narwhal
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thankfully

heavy latch
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hehe good point

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z2m will also require its own container too I guess?

jolly narwhal
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YES

forest cobalt
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Yup.

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But that's a good thing.

heavy latch
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and mqtt

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and all my other "addons"

jolly narwhal
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not everything has to run on the same host though

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which makes a lot more flexible

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decoupling

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loosly coupled if I were to use buzzwords 🤢

forest cobalt
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If you containerize and separate (my personal preference), if one system is down, others can still be running. For instance, if my HA instance goes down, I can still control most of the house from MQTT and/or Z2M ui.

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Stop that. F'ing buzzwords... lol

jolly narwhal
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hang on honey, I'll just run some cloud native applications loosly coupled with the global namespace of this software defined network with my orchestrated hosts

forest cobalt
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You suck... lmao

jolly narwhal
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I love you too

forest cobalt
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OMG... Ok, I want that emoji!!!

heavy latch
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The thought of moving all my stuff and setting everything up again is not attractive, I guess I'll have to wait until I have a few days spare

jolly narwhal
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I moved all my stuff from VMs to docker containers in about 2 days

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starting from scratch on docker

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I had never touched docker before

heavy latch
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I've used it to host the odd factorio server, thats about it

forest cobalt
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@heavy latch If you want, I'd be willing to share my docker-compose.yaml files to help you get started.

jolly narwhal
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I even did it remotely from the US with my servers back home in Norway

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😄

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I have all my docker compose files on github too

heavy latch
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aye that might give me a head start

forest cobalt
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Boom. There ya go.

obsidian sandalBOT
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You can find his config lurking in the darkness.

Command '.atxbyea' was invoked by: atxbyea
jolly narwhal
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they are one level up under docker-compose

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I need to update it soon, I've done some changes since the last update

forest cobalt
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Yeah, I need to do the same as well.

heavy latch
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you aren't running z2m in docker too?

jolly narwhal
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sure I am

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that is on yet another host

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that I haven't uploaded the compose for 😄

heavy latch
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Ahh that's why I dont see it 😄

forest cobalt
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Psssh... Z2M in a docker... I run mine bare metal/node-js through systemd heh. lol

jolly narwhal
jolly narwhal
heavy latch
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thanks 🙂

forest cobalt
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shrug That's a compliment! lol

jolly narwhal
heavy latch
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maybe a strange question, but how does one update z2m addon? Yeah I know there's probably no point as I'll be moving everything to docker soon but still

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For sure i've done it in the past

jolly narwhal
heavy latch
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thanks

sour shadow
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add-ons auto-update

jolly narwhal
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disgusting 🤢

sour shadow
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The exception with Z2M would be if you're not using the current repo ablobjoy

heavy depot
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I did something terrible. I spent hours and hours setting up my perfect home automation, using ZigBee Home Automation integration. Then I got a smart lock (Danalock) and read online that I could pair it using deCONZ. So I opened up deCONZ, searched for my Danalock, and found it. However, I then noticed ALL my lights stopped working, perhaps because deCONZ was discovering them while in Pairing Mode (although this is weird, because I didn't put my bulbs into pairing mode). After that, all of my automations / lights stopped working, most likely because they were now added through deCONZ. I thought I was smart to take a backup, but to my horror, after restoring to the point before I installed deCONZ, my lights were still not paired, perhaps because they unpaired themselves... the question is now: what can I do now, to easily get my lights back?
Only my motion sensors, and 1 or 2 lights still work, everything else is gone..
like, they are in the interface and all, but i cannot control them.

thick plover
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I have a ghost, or a faulty aqara motion sensor. Anyone have one that keeps turning occupancy on even though middle of the night and no one is in that room? (Kept turning lights on)

violet dagger
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Is there a source of IR in the room?

austere patio
heavy depot
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@austere patio Actually I figured out it was quite simple. I just had to go to Add Devices as you say, and then reset the Hue Bulbs using the Remote. Then it shows up, and I don't have to rename them, reassign them to rooms etc, it's all there.. very pleasent surprise!

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However, I notice that so far my IKEA bulbs (where i turn on an off 6 times) haven't been able to show up in that interface...

austere patio
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I'm really not sure what could have happened to your network if only remotes remained. Maybe deCONZ changed network settings and the remotes never updated?

heavy depot
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deCONZ have a special way if you want to add remotes/motion sensors, guess that's why..

austere patio
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But if a power cycle doesn't cause the IKEA bulbs to announce themselves and re-join, they're not on the network

heavy depot
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however, it seems very easy to get the Phillips Hue lights back on. Only issue now is my IKEA bulbs, they don't show up

austere patio
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They should be touchlink capable as well

heavy depot
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where I need to get really really close with my ZigBee stick?

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damn xD

austere patio
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Have you tried the same procedure you did to rejoin the hue bulbs?

heavy depot
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e.g. with the hue remote?

austere patio
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Yes

heavy depot
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ill give it a try

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well, it reacts to it, but it does not show up in "Searching for ZHA Zigbee devices..."

austere patio
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Hmm, odd. And a single power cycle doesn't cause it to pop back up?

heavy depot
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ill try

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i just turned it off, then on

mellow geode
# heavy depot where I need to get really really close with my ZigBee stick?

ZHA can't pair using TouchLink (or reset them by using TouchLink). So you never need to bring a light "really close" to your stick.
Only for resetting it with TouchLink (e. g. by using a Hue dimmer), you'd need to bring it close.
I'd try what puddly suggests: (search for new devices, ) power cycle the bulb and then see if you can turn it on/off through Home Assistant again)

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If you need to reset it, I'd try the 7x (?) on/off method meanwhile already having the "Add new devices" window open in ZHA.

heavy depot
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Damn, thanks, I tried both things. 1) Simple power cycle (can't control it, nor see it) 2) Turn on off 6 times (the lights blink), same result, nothing 3) tried with hue dimmer, it blinks once, but still cant see it...

austere patio
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That short blink sequence? Make sure you do it within 60s of permitting joins. Otherwise the spinning thing in the joining page makes it seem like joins are still permitted even though they're not

heavy depot
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ok. Ill try again. I'll do a 6 time power cycle, then click "search again"

austere patio
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I think once you reset it it stays reset. Just power cycling once after that should get it to try re-joining.

heavy depot
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Aha, I see..

austere patio
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I'll have to double check though

heavy depot
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otherwise maybe try the IKEA app, and see if I can pair, then remove again, through there?

austere patio
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Wouldn't that require their hub?

heavy depot
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I actually have it 😄

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but yes, i think you're right

austere patio
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And then they'd be on the hub's network

heavy depot
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yes, but then I'd remove them again, maybe then they will become pairable.

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haha

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actually

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I just opened the app

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and theres a few bulbs that's "seen 21 minutes ago"

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weird, because I havent had it open for months...

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maybe the IKEA bridge will auto add them when in search mode.

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ill try and turn it off and see if I can then add the lights..

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maybe thats the one whos interferring

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now the hub is off, I've power cycled the ikea bulbs 6 times, but nothing is showing up so far..

austere patio
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Hmm, I can't get my bulbs to reset while the network is still "up"

heavy depot
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but i see them fading up and down..

heavy depot
heavy depot
austere patio
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But for me that's because they just re-join immediately after being power cycled

heavy depot
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it stopped now though, but it happened like a minute after i power cycled them, as if they connected to something

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I'll try the "Reconfiguring device: Hallway 1"

austere patio
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If you have the IKEA gateway running as well maybe try shutting it off too, maybe it always permits joins or something

heavy depot
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unfortunately it fails: "The device reconfiguration failed. Additional information may be available in the logs."

heavy depot
austere patio
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So when power cycling the bulbs, do you keep them initially "off" for like 5s, then on/off like six times?

heavy depot
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No, but I could try that

austere patio
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Some I think start pulsing, others do a quick flash

heavy depot
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My blink, and then they go pulsing, on/off... they're doing it now..

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(while I'm searching)

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option 2 I can try, is to try via the IKEA bridge

heavy depot
austere patio
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Can you look at the logs tab in ZHA's device joining page?

heavy depot
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This is what I see currently:

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(had the logs open while trying a power cycle)

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it would be very weird if they connected automatically to any hub, maybe it was my neighboors router they connected to..

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i'll try a reboot of HA... just in case

austere patio
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Yeah, nothing seemed to have joined

heavy depot
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ohh, just noticed I have "Trådfri" Integration

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maybe that one has some kind of "auto search" feature,

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that intereferes with ZHA

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is there a way I can temporarily deactivate that addon?

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now I see new stuff in "log"

austere patio
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Nah, that's just general ZHA logging saying those bulbs have been offline for a while and not responding to proactive check-in requests

heavy depot
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ahh, i see

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It says "Not loaded",

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and I think it has troubles starting, because I turned the Bridge off...

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gotta eat, and then look at it with fresh eyes after 😄

fierce gulch
austere patio
#

You can also tell the device about the new image to get it to check in sooner

fierce gulch
austere patio
#

The documentation also briefly explains how to update all other devices but you basically clone all the images in https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee-OTA and enable the otau_directory config option. The Hue images are kept as URLs so you somehow need to download them all too. After you do that, ZHA will auto update any compatible devices. It'll take about 24 hours for it to re-scan the image files if you don't restart HA.

steel jewel
#

Hey Guys ,
Can you recommend me a door sensor which can have a detection distance of 2-3cm?
I got Sonoff Snzb-04 for my garage but the distance between gate and my fixture point is too big

mellow geode
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If I'm not mistaken, the "Konke" sensors aren't bad (not sure if they'll do 2-3cm)

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The Aqara sensors are also not bad in terms of detection distance

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The Sonoff ones are one of the worst. Perhaps you can try taking both housings apart?

sour shadow
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The Konke are fine, but 2 to 3 cm is pushing it, pretty sure it won't. Of course, all these detect a magnet. More powerful magnet == greater detection distance

steel jewel
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So if I just get a strong magnet I can trigger the sensor?

sour shadow
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Yes, if you pop open the "dumb" part of any door/window sensor pair you'll see that it's a small magnet inside

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More powerful magnet == larger/strong magnetic field == detectable further away

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Rare earth magnets tend to be pretty powerful for their size

steel jewel
#

Yeah I opened the sonoff case earlier I'll try and figure something out

thick plover
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There’s also 3 other motion sensors in that room and it’s the only one doing this

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The rest have no events recorded since midnight (now 7.30am) but the one in question is non stop on and off all night

neat anvil
#

So, I just got a cc2531 usb dongle, and am having some trouble getting it to work.. I try and install Zigbee Home Automation as an intergration, but it doesn't seem to show my dongle. I am at a bit of a loss. Ideas?

austere patio
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And did you buy a pre-flashed dongle with firmware already on it?

neat anvil
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I don't know what you mean by installation method. I plugged it in.. Was just gonna use the Zigbee intergration, not the zigbee2mqtt

austere patio
#

I mean, are you using Home Assistant OS or some VM or hypervisor that requires you to explicitly pass through the USB hardware?

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Most CC2531s that you buy online are effectively bricks until you flash them with firmware, unless the seller specifically advertises that they're flashed with firmware.

neat anvil
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I am using a VM.. But I did pass it though.. It was a cheap cheap one off Aliexpress.. So it likely has no firmware then I would guess.

austere patio
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Do any LEDs come on when you plug it in?

neat anvil
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One green LED

austere patio
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If you push the button closest to the antenna, does the LED turn red?

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Or if you push the other one, does it turn off?

neat anvil
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Let me check, brb

austere patio
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If not, it's got no firmware

neat anvil
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So, when I first went to see it. No lights were on. I unplugged, and plugged. Green light. Push button, turns red. So it should have firmware..

austere patio
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Then it should show up as a serial port

neat anvil
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The green light keeps going off..

austere patio
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It shuts off after I think ~60s because the CC2531 leaves the bootloader

neat anvil
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Well, it doesn't SEEM to show up as a serial port. How would I check?

austere patio
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If you're running the OS I think there's some "hardware" command or something but I usually just log into the VM, run login to drop into a root shell, and look in /dev/ and /dev/serial/by-id/

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Not sure if you have to restart HA or reboot the host after plugging in new hardware

neat anvil
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I am getting something on the HA VM.. USB 2-2.1: device descripter read/64, error -84

austere patio
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Is that from dmesg?

neat anvil
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No, just when I switched to the terminal window, it was there

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hadent even logged in

austere patio
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For comparison, here's how mine presents itself on bare metal and in HA OS in VirtualBox:

[...] usb 1-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0451, idProduct=16a8
[...] usb 1-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[...] usb 1-2: Product: TI CC2531 USB CDC
[...] usb 1-2: Manufacturer: Texas Instruments
[...] usb 1-2: SerialNumber: __0X00124B001CCE3385

Both show up as a device in /dev/serial/by-id/ with a pretty recognizable link.

thick plover
azure tinsel
#

My aqara wall switches have some delay in them due to waiting for double or triple presses... is there a way to not listen to that and just listen to the release state? I listened to the event of ZHA and i guess there is no support for release a button in the integration. Is there a way to bypass this? Or maybe even add the feature myself? This is the event i logged when pressing a button. https://hastebin.com/qavizuqade.json

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i guess this event needs a release_type or something

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i read on the Z2mqtt pages that it supports both press and release on buttons. Why doesnt ZHA?

sour shadow
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It depends on what the device supports

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It has to send an actual release event for Z2M, or anything else, to know about it

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That typically only happens if it supports hold

azure tinsel
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I see... The hue dimmer switches do indeed have the feature on release. but still i see the single aqara buttons do support release event on mqtt but dont on ZHA. could it be that the ZHA integration is not fully complete in its features

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i wonder if i could add it myself somewhere in the code

sour shadow
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As I said, it's typically hold/release, not press/release - at least I've not seen that on any thing I have

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What device are you looking at here?

azure tinsel
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this for example

sour shadow
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Yes, hold and release

azure tinsel
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im looking for a way to trigger on release in zha

sour shadow
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And Z2M only sends release after a hold

violet dagger
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they do send release on each click but its not implemented in your gateway software

sour shadow
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Do they? I've never seen that in Z2M unless there's a hold first 🤔

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That's pretty cool though

violet dagger
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they do in Tasmota

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so its there but ZHA and Z2M chose to ignore it

azure tinsel
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The WXKG01LM only reports a button press and release. By default, Zigbee2MQTT publishes a hold action when there is at least 1000 ms between both events

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so it sees a press and then calculates if its a hold when i exceeds the 1000ms

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before it gets a release

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so both should be registered in z2m

violet dagger
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registered but not reported

azure tinsel
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indeed

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thats what im looking for

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a way to do this. but im starting ta get the feeling this isnt possible unless someone implements it

violet dagger
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pretty much

azure tinsel
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This would make buttons more responsive

violet dagger
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which they are, i use one with Zigbee2Tasmota

azure tinsel
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yes im starting to consider something else then ZHA too

thick plover
mellow geode
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In ZHA, the hue dimmers do up to quadruple(?) clicks if I’m not mistaken

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It’s implemented by software

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The quirk could theoretically be "ported" to work with other devices

jolly narwhal
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I have done 8x clicks on my xiaomis

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not sure where the limit is

violet dagger
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probably 3 since everyone forgets what the other 5 do

sour shadow
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  1. Turns stuff on and off
  2. Does something else I can't remember
  3. Uummmmmmm
jolly narwhal
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Heck

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I should do that

#

Typing @simple sentinel

simple sentinel
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post on-topic gifs to #the-water-cooler from the comfort of whichever channel you happen to be in? Only permissible seeing as they will be out of context in #the-water-cooler, rendering them as in fact off-topic

jolly narwhal
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OH LAWD

simple sentinel
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Tha lawd doesn't come into it

azure tinsel
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just want to remove the multiple clicks on my wall switches just give me a damn good response on one click.

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lol

thick plover
thick plover
# violet dagger Is there a source of IR in the room?

so, really funny - I have just realised what was setting this off. got my son a huge dinosaur balloon for his birthday on the weekend. it is sitting there next to an open window flapping around infront of the sensor.

jolly narwhal
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just stop pressing buttons @azure tinsel

azure tinsel
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the buttons are more like a compromise for my girlfriend. As long as its operable with buttons she doesn't care how smart i make the house.

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Whan buttons stop working im doing overtime until it starts working again

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just to please the lady... and with zigbee im on overtime allot!

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When we ever build a new house everything will be wired. wireless just isnt reliable enough for me

forest cobalt
thick plover
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what, you can't?

forest cobalt
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LOL shup... 😉

thick plover
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what if they're all routers?

azure tinsel
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the big downside which i think should be implemented in future zigbee revisions should be the ability to choose the links between devices. clearly zigbee routers and coordinators cant do it themselves

forest cobalt
thick plover
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is the zzh! quality?

azure tinsel
#

i have endpoint devices that are connected to ridiculously far routers on the other side of the house with poor link qualities while a router is sitting no more then 3 feet from it. when connecting the device through that device doesnt help. it just connects to the other one

forest cobalt
azure tinsel
#

atm i have about 50 routers in my house... enough to connect the whole neigbourhood to my zigbee network and still there are sensors that have poor links

forest cobalt
thick plover
#

I would be up towards that number too

azure tinsel
#

i could stick a remote to a router with ducttape then add the device with ZHA and still it will be routed to a device on the other side of the house. i really dont understand the way zigbee / ZHA manage its connections. it would be an awfull lot better if you could setup the network yourself and only let the network make changes when a router gets offline

forest cobalt
# azure tinsel atm i have about 50 routers in my house... enough to connect the whole neigbourh...

That's actually an issue in and of itself, tbh. First, 50 routers can be problematic unless you have a beefy coordinator that can handle that traffic. CC235x, Conbee, Nortek, etc can only handle ~25-30 source routes and maybe 40-50 normal routes. That's their max capacity. After that limit has been reached, you start seeing issues unless you have a software solution to FIFO queue the traffic.

azure tinsel
#

well thats the next thing i worried about

#

what hardware would you recommend for big networks

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atm i use nortek and 50 routers.. maybe i exaggerate a bit

forest cobalt
#

CC2562x or equivalent or something based on the ESP (Ember) chips.

azure tinsel
#

im at 30 routers lol... and 72 devices in total

forest cobalt
thick plover
forest cobalt
#

30 routers being switches, plugs, or bulbs? Or, a combination of them all?

azure tinsel
#

30 bulbs / lights all hue

forest cobalt
#

Nope. Wifi is wifi. Zigbee is Zigbee. Rarely will a device have both radios.

azure tinsel
#

wait a few of them are smart plugs

thick plover
forest cobalt
#

Ok, so first off, 30 routing devices, especially ZLL profile devices (all Hue bulbs are ZLL profile with a ZHA fallback profile that is ancient and crappy), are going to be possibly problematic. Hue never designed their firmware with any care when it comes to 3rd party coordinators. Hence why you always hear the phrase "But they worked perfectly on my Hue hub!!!".

forest cobalt
thick plover
#

even tho the label says wifi? 😄

jolly narwhal
#

I haven't had a singel non-reliable wifi or zigbee device

#

so I have no idea what you guys are doing 😉

forest cobalt
#

You mean in the frequency label? Yes, it's actually accurate. Zigbee and Wifi coexist in the 2.4ghz spectrum.

thick plover
#

ah there you go

sour shadow
thick plover
#

PHHHUUUUUCCCKKK!!!

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C'mon guys

#

hahaha

forest cobalt
#

lmfao!

forest cobalt
thick plover
sour shadow
#

The seller is either confused, or confused, or maybe just confused

jolly narwhal
#

fookin noobs 😉

thick plover
azure tinsel
#

can someone point me to an available zigbee coordinator that i can buy (in stock and ships to the netherlands) and can handle a huge amount of routers to come? When i search all those version numbers im still not sure what to buy exactly

forest cobalt
#

Tink? Are you referring to the ozsmarthings link?

sour shadow
#

Yup

thick plover
#

Says tested with ConBee Zigbee and Tuya Zigbee

sour shadow
simple sentinel
#

product number on the label is the same for both those links; dude got lazy with the photos, prolly

forest cobalt
#

I don't see that in the description at all. Maybe I clicked the wrong link? LOL

sour shadow
thick plover
jolly narwhal
#

ZZH is the shizzle my nizzle @azure tinsel

forest cobalt
#

Ahhhhh, I see what you're talking about now... On the image. LOL Yeah, I agree with @simple sentinel ... The seller re-used a photo methinks.

thick plover
#

Right. I will buy them and if they are wifi I will return them

azure tinsel
thick plover
#

simple as

azure tinsel
#

it must be with that insane shipping cost

simple sentinel
#

seems worth a clarification email; so you are in the right to pester him if things go south @thick plover

thick plover
#

for sure, will do

forest cobalt
#

LOL yeah, any of the CC2652x coordinators are going to serve you well. Even better is to get an ethernet connected version (like @molten linden's CC2652P2 coordinators). That way, you can place the coordinator anywhere in the house that is most central.

sour shadow
#

Just not the WiFi connected ones ablobjoy

forest cobalt
#

SO MUCH THIS ^^^^

jolly narwhal
simple sentinel
#

Tuya devices on aliexpress etc usually are posted with separate wifi and zigbee models though. So if the company is a fly-by-night dropshipper they might well have messed up their listings

#

identical devices, different radio

azure tinsel
forest cobalt
#

🤮 Tuya devices. (sorry, imho).

azure tinsel
#

why is all this stuff out of stock all the time

forest cobalt
#

YAZZZZ

#

Well, pandemic... global chip shortage... etc.

molten linden
#

I'm making my last batch for a while right now..

thick plover
molten linden
#

but yeah chip shortage about to hit hard

simple sentinel
#

nooooo

azure tinsel
#

tube you making them?

molten linden
#

have 6 modules left, making 3 mUSB powered ethernet and 3 PoE.

azure tinsel
#

how much

thick plover
#

Regarding the Zigbee WIFI Combo switches, I asked the seller why there’s the option to have a neutral or not. His reply ‘If you have the neutral there is no minimum load. If no neutral is connected you will need at least 50w of load connect to it. ‘

azure tinsel
#

do they cost i want a usb ethernet powered one

thick plover
#

I’m guessing 3 lights wouldn’t dish out enough load

molten linden
forest cobalt
simple sentinel
#

Are all the POE's spoken for, tube?

molten linden
#

$54 for those. plus $14 for international shipping I think.

thick plover
#

Yeah nah they won’t then

molten linden
#

nope

#

no pre-orders.. will go live later today unless my day job gets busy 🤣

forest cobalt
#

LOL

#

When doesn't your day job get busy?!

simple sentinel
#

Well, I haven't been able to get a PS5, but I'll keep my fingers crossed 😄

molten linden
#

when the attorney's start emailing. because they waited for a few hours before their deadline instead of giving real notice.

forest cobalt
#

HA! You sound like my kid (he works IT for a law firm).

molten linden
#

lol. they would know.. its a different world.

forest cobalt
#

Seriously... It's his biggest complaint: "They wanted me to setup 5 laptops for a depo in 2 hours because they forgot they had a depo in 2 hours... FML!!!" <-- actual text from him lol

molten linden
#

and it's always IT's fault even more so than in other businesses.... imagine having 60+ bosses at the same time. 🤣

molten linden
forest cobalt
#

LOL #TrueStory

simple sentinel
#

Professional contrarians, as well so you know they won't backdown

#

attorneys are

forest cobalt
#

I worked for a law firm for 1 month back in the early 2000s... That was all I could take... 1 month.

molten linden
#

I used to work in the court room worked with some of the biggest "rain makers" at large firms. there was no such thing as unreasonable expectations. It's why my customer service is so good 🤣

jolly narwhal
#

I enjoy visiting law firms

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their canteens are always next to none

#

RIBEYE WITH BERNAISE AND STUFFED POTATO FOR LUNCH

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Don't mind if I do

#

Also they always have enough money to spend to buy the proper servers and switches

thick plover
#

Wtf was I doing spending my 20’s eating army food and ration packs. Should have gone to uni.

jolly narwhal
#

lol school 🤢

thick plover
#

Yes I’ve thought a few times I should go back and study, then think ‘yeah nah fuck that’

jolly narwhal
#

eh, most people I grew up with who got an education either work meanial jobs or totally unrelated to their education 😄

#

while I have 15+ years of work experience and pension on them

vale nova
#

Your work experience is older then me 😳

thick plover
#

Yeah that’s it. I still have guys I went to school with stuck in uni 13 years later hahaha

#

And I’m in a position that I could actually retire if I wanted. Would have to move to a dirt cheap place though

jolly narwhal
#

I started work at age 9, so in reality I have 28 years of work experience

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😄

#

but professional it is only 19

thick plover
#

Man whoring doesn’t count

thick plover
heavy latch
#

Yesterday we were discussing moving HA and Z2M into docker containers, to reduce the chance of issues with Z2M stopping working/communicating with usb device.
I guess just moving Z2M to docker and keeping everything else in HAOS VM would have a similar effect?

prisma shell
heavy latch
#

Oh that might be just what I need actually... and have PoE available

#

@molten linden you have a waiting list for PoE zigbee adaptor?

molten linden
heavy latch
#

following 🙂

#

Hopefully you post to uk

molten linden
#

I make them all and while I don’t have many I do get rare build issues/fails. So don’t do pre orders as don’t want to promise something I don’t have

heavy latch
#

aye thats understandable

molten linden
#

Yes ship quite frequently to the UK. It’s probably the fastest delivery outside of the states.

forest cobalt
forest cobalt
heavy latch
#

Excellent, you assemble them often tube? I don't mind assembling myself as I see you have the gerbers available

molten linden
#

Pretty often

heavy latch
#

Short on time atm with moving house etc.

#

Ah cool I'll wait then 🙂

molten linden
#

Planning to have some later today and will be last for a bit as supply of the zigbee modules is out of my control at the moment

heavy latch
#

excellent, I'll keep my eyes peeled on your twitter feed then 🙂

prisma shell
#

I am torn, I have the sonoff bridge which works great except for these damn ikea buttons burning through batteries even though other people with the same setup say the bugs are ~fixed

heavy latch
#

my ikea remotes go through batteries quick too beren

prisma shell
#

other people also said they some buttons are just defective like that and when they exchange them for another it's better

heavy latch
#

and i'm not even using them

prisma shell
#

@heavy latch same, how many days and what's your coordinator?

#

I wonder if this newer revision is just flaky

heavy latch
#

I'm using LAUNCHXL-CC1352P-2

#

and after a couple of weeks the batteries show empty but button still works

#

my buttons are right near the coordinator, on a shelf waiting for me to think of a use for them

#

my buttons are very old, probably the first ones that were released, although firmware is newest

prisma shell
#

oh

#

mine drains batteries in 5 days

mellow geode
#

That's a known issue with them.

#

Try re-configuring them through the UI after the initial pair (while pressing buttons) (assuming you're using ZHA).

#

There are a couple of issues about this on GitHub (I think on the main core repo and on the zha-device-handlers repo)

molten linden
austere patio
#

Anyone have one of these? Did it update to version 587662897 (0x23070631)?

mellow geode
#

I have an IKEA signal repeater... somewhere

#

Ah, actually

#

I have one in my network

#

Running 0x23070631 // 2.3.070

austere patio
#

I wonder what "secure OTA upgrade" is. Is it just them saying they released the first one?

mellow geode
#

Perhaps the OTA files are "encoded" differently now?

#

To be more like Philips lol

austere patio
#

They're not encrypted and parse fine 🤷‍♂️

mellow geode
#

huh

#

Anything I can test to find out?

austere patio
mellow geode
#

OH

#

Only took them.. what

#

a couple of years months

austere patio
#

I think the SDK bug was fixed in August??

mellow geode
#

oh

#

Still feels like it has been a long time -- maybe due to the lack of communication on their side

austere patio
#

Yep

heavy latch
#

hey @molten linden your website advises that it doesn't ship to uk

mellow geode
#

Still had this page open. Looks like it was removed

molten linden
heavy latch
#

I was trying applepay, said it didn't ship to my country. I'm trying just putting my card details on website

fierce gulch
#

I’m looking for zigbee plugs that I can plug 2 of it on the wall at the same time. Any suggestions?

#

The plugs I’ve seen are all too big to fit 2 on the same wall plug.

simple sentinel
heavy latch
#

heh madaoZ you had me panicking, my order wouldn't go through then I noticed the available drop from 3 to 2 😄

#

sorted now though 😉

forest cobalt
fierce gulch
#

Let me check, thanks for the pointer

simple sentinel
tired crescent
#

Hi, desperately trying to bind a Hue dimmer-thingy to a Hue light strip before the wife kills me. I have the log up on one screen, I publish the command {"from": "LS-Kitchen Light Strip", "to": "L-Kitchen Light Strip"} . At first it said "Failed to bind cluster..", did a reset and restart of both devices. Now it doesn't say any error, everything seems OK.. But the dimmer still doesnt work 😒 I can see that it sends the commands, and the light strip seems to write something back.. But nothing happens. Any tips on how to debug this any further?

heavy latch
#

If you're using zigbee2mqtt you might have better luck putting the strip in a group, then try to bind the dimmer-thingy to the group

tired crescent
heavy latch
#

no probs, I was fighting with binding for days! Let us know how it goes

mellow geode
#

(Also make sure to press buttons on the remote immediately after you've sent the command)

tired crescent
heavy latch
#

aha, so it was allowing you to bind directly. good to know! wife should be happy

tired crescent
#

LS-Kitchen Light Strip is the dimmer, L-Kitchen Light Strip is the light strip btw

heavy latch
#

ah damn

#

Have you tried via the GUI, also check that the light isn't already in a group

gloomy pivot
#

have a couple sengled bulbs via z2m... effects show up in HA, but don't seem to work. any ideas?

tired crescent
gentle flint
tired crescent
#

@heavy latch hol' up.. Do I need to add the dimmer to the group in my configuration.json?

heavy latch
#

@tired crescent Yeah you would see it in the group list. Ensure group number isn't 901 too,

#

The way I do it, is create a group and add it to the group, I chose random group number. Then for the remote, dont add it to the group in the group page but go to the remote device page and bind tab, do it from there

#

enter name, a random number then click create group

tired crescent
#

I am using zigbee2mqttassistant -- Created the group '1', added the light strip under devices, then went to mqttexplorer and published a bind from dimmer, to kitchen_light_group

gentle flint
heavy latch
#

aye

#

now youve done that, go back to zigbee2mqttassistant and select your remote and check out the bind tab, can you see your new bind?

gentle flint
tired crescent
heavy latch
#

dont worry, I was pulling my hair out with this a few month ago

#

you have your list of devices yeah? select the remote, then below its name you should see, About, Exposes, Bind, Reporting etc

gentle flint
tired crescent
heavy latch
#

on the page for the LS, it looks the same? Nothing extra under binding?
It does look totally different to mine 😄 we must be using different methods

tired crescent
heavy latch
#

Just the HA addon

#

using homeassistant OS

fleet lodge
#

@molten linden what was the lead time zigbee module provider gave you for new modules?

#

@austere patio if it doesn't solve SI lockup bug, I'm not upgrading. Already pulled them out of my networks. I don't have time for that shiiiiit

molten linden
#

They told me they are in the production. In past they haven’t taken my orders until production complete. They have not given me an eta either

heavy latch
fleet lodge
#

Hmmm interesting... I hope that the chip shortage doesn't hit us in the Zigbee community too hard.

#

I ordered one of your PoE coordinators. I plan on using it to expand and coordinate a separate wing of a facility that we are servicing. If it works, we will be able to manage the entire facility (~600 devices) with three coordinators, three instances of Z2M and one gateway. Very excited to install when I get back from Napa. I'll be sure to report back on performance 👍

tired crescent
heavy latch
#

not the dev one, two secs

gloomy pivot
#

these bulbs... they list blink, breathe, okay, channel_change, finish_effect, and stop_effect

#

but none of them seem to do anything 🤔

heavy latch
#

@tired crescent did you manage? Might have to turn off old one when turning on new one, and copy config.

tired crescent
forest cobalt
heavy latch
#

ahh, can't help you there alas, I'm using a usb device at the moment

gloomy pivot
#

wtf lol

#

i mean, it's fine... i don't use them (because they don't work 😅) but always wondered why they don't work

forest cobalt
#

I know for a fact they don't work with Sengleds... But they do seem to work with Hues... I don't know how or why (I only use the OK effect on one light in my office anyhow lol)

gloomy pivot
thick plover
heavy latch
#

I couldn't figure this out either @gloomy pivot it's the recommended with Aqara too

gloomy pivot
#

well it seems to send more info in the message at least

#

with legacy: false

#

so i can use that a little bit better

azure tinsel
#

Damn wanted to buy a coordinator from tube's website... Again to late 😢

#

The first one on the z2mqtt website pointing to the tindie shop. Is that a good one? And how many routers can it handle?

violet dagger
#

which one exactly?

azure tinsel
#

Zzh! Cc2652r multiprotocol Rd stick

#

Rf

violet dagger
#

yes, that's arguably the best one

azure tinsel
#

Ok I'll buy that one today. It's a shame that tubes were out of stock over night again

violet dagger
#

artisan products are like that

azure tinsel
#

Just had the last one in my cart and it sold out while I was checking out

#

Artisan?

violet dagger
#

artisan = made in a traditional or non-mechanized way using high-quality ingredients.

azure tinsel
#

Learn something every day. Thanks

#

Could the zzh handle... Let's say 100 routers

jolly narwhal
#

yes

#

and more

violet dagger
#

that's dependent on the firmware used, theoretically it should support 200 3.0 connections

sour shadow
azure tinsel
#

So the cc2538 is even more powerful

jolly narwhal
#

if you mean shitty

#

yes

#

25xx == old

#

26 == new

sinful swift
violet dagger
#

hand mixed, range free fair trade lead 😉

sinful swift
#

Noice.

thick plover
sinful swift
#

Shelly 1s

thick plover
#

they certified here?

sinful swift
#

If you buy them from smartguys and I think one other importer that I cant remember.

#

They paid for certification.

thick plover
#

ah cool

#

do you have a toggle button on the wall plate instead?

#

I've got clipsal iconic wall plates, so easy enough to change the on off switch to a press toggle

earnest sigil
#

Can't seem to pair it up

earnest sigil
#

I didn't have to press anything on the zzh stick to pair up my Aqara sensors - I just put them in pairing mode and they appeared. But this siren looks like it's in pairing mode but nothing happens

wicked wagon
#

A silly question, some of my devices can't connect to the zigbee coordinator, is it possible that I plug it into a power bank and bring it closer to the device? The devices are switches in the wall.

violet dagger
#

wildly depends on your coordinator

wicked wagon
#

I have it on my NUC running home assistant

#

It detects a majority of them but some further ones cannot

violet dagger
#

then without ever finding out which one it is i'd say: definitely not

wicked wagon
#

It's the iTead sonoff zigbee cc2531

echo flint
#

I've been having a ton of issues with Zigbee and im wondering if its just that the iTead stuff is crap? I'm using a Sonoff Zigbee Bridge (Tasmotized) with a bunch of sonoff temp/Hum sensors. They keep dropping

jolly narwhal
#

the almost worst option for zigbee

#

yeah that might be an issue

echo flint
#

the sonoff ZB stmart plugs will not even be discovered by ZHA integration

wicked wagon
#

Yeah mine too but only the furthest ones. But I did update HA which jumped a few generations since I last updated

violet dagger
#

there's a sonoff zb smart plug?

jolly narwhal
#

both in regards to sensors and coordinator

#

😄

wicked wagon
#

But those that could connect works just find

#

Fine

echo flint
#

I saw some talk above about other coordinators

wicked wagon
#

So far iTead have been good to me, even the non zigbee stuffs

echo flint
#

whats better?

#

or whats suggested?

violet dagger
#

zzh! and tube's, both unobtainum most of days 😄

echo flint
#

@wicked wagon the non-Zigbee stuff has been great

jolly narwhal
#

the zzh is in stock now I believe

echo flint
#

link?

jolly narwhal
#

and works brilliantly with zigbee2mqtt

violet dagger
#

sonoff zigbee stuff is average at best, mostly underperforming

jolly narwhal
#

and xiaomi sensors

violet dagger
#

what you save in sensor cost you quickly make up with changing batteries

sinful swift
#

Why are there no zigbee soil moisture sensors?

echo flint
#

ahhhh! Batteries! Feck batterites!

violet dagger
#

noone made one yet...

wicked wagon
#

Could they detect through a repeater? Or the first pairing must be with a coordinator?

sinful swift
#

Seems like a gaping hole in the market.

jolly narwhal
#

you always pair in place @wicked wagon

#

never move battery stuff around

violet dagger
#

yes but people seem content with the BT ones

sinful swift
#

The range is terrible on the BT version. So is the battery life.

wicked wagon
#

That means I have to unplug my home assistant and bring it nearer to the drop ones

jolly narwhal
#

NO

#

Don't do that

#

if you have range issues buy more repeaters

#

or a proper coordinator

violet dagger
#

range issues won't magically disappear if you manage to pair the device

wicked wagon
#

Aaah

#

Alright

violet dagger
#

you'll just have a very unreliable device

wicked wagon
#

Thanks for the advice. More repeaters then

forest cobalt
violet dagger
#

ah right, keep forgetting about that one. thanks

#

being us only makes it not exist in my mind

jolly narwhal
#

US no

#

Them yes

violet dagger
#

i don't assume pronouns 🙃

jolly narwhal
#

HERE I MADE A PERFECT PINK FLOYD JOKE

#

and you broke it

violet dagger
#

was never a fan

jolly narwhal
#

Begone from my sight

violet dagger
#

i'll retreat to my listening room and put on some Kraftwerk

jolly narwhal
#

I approve of Kraftwerk